1 00:00:54,346 --> 00:00:58,016 Hey! Hey, everybody! Boom! 2 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:01,019 Welcome to show-- -Yeah. 3 00:01:01,103 --> 00:01:03,939 ...four, five of seasons. I don't know. 4 00:01:03,939 --> 00:01:05,482 I'm not keeping track. 5 00:01:05,566 --> 00:01:07,734 My name is Jon Stewart and I'm excited to announce 6 00:01:07,818 --> 00:01:13,490 that the 2022 midterm election is finally upon us. 7 00:01:13,574 --> 00:01:16,910 Which means the 2024 election is now officially underway. 8 00:01:16,994 --> 00:01:21,331 I wonder what that will mean for the 2026 midterms. 9 00:01:21,415 --> 00:01:24,668 They're engineering viruses to make them more deadly and more virulent. 10 00:01:24,668 --> 00:01:26,712 No, no, no. I promised I wouldn't talk about that. 11 00:01:30,674 --> 00:01:33,927 They're going to fucking kill us all. 12 00:01:34,428 --> 00:01:35,429 Not important. 13 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,015 My main point is this: 14 00:01:38,015 --> 00:01:42,477 Midterms, it's not just a referendum on crime and abortion, 15 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:44,938 but on something even more central. 16 00:01:45,022 --> 00:01:49,151 The most important midterm election in American history. 17 00:01:49,151 --> 00:01:53,405 It's not hyperbole to suggest right now, democracy itself on the ballot as well. 18 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:54,698 Joe Biden is right. 19 00:01:55,991 --> 00:01:58,577 Democracy is on the ballot in November. 20 00:01:58,577 --> 00:02:01,997 Democracy itself is on the ballot. 21 00:02:01,997 --> 00:02:05,292 You may be confused because you thought that like Joy Behar on The View, 22 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:07,920 democracy has a lifetime appointment in this country. 23 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,090 Turns out, not so much. 24 00:02:13,133 --> 00:02:18,931 Apparently, democracy is running again for its second 246-year term. 25 00:02:20,098 --> 00:02:23,185 By the way, I think in its first year it defeated Chuck Grassley. 26 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:26,897 True story. 27 00:02:26,897 --> 00:02:29,233 And our two current presidents agree. 28 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:36,490 Just checking. 29 00:02:38,075 --> 00:02:42,996 Insuring that our last election ever will be free and fair, 30 00:02:44,206 --> 00:02:46,375 is our highest priority. 31 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:52,047 At all costs, we must defend the sacred integrity of our elections. 32 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:55,092 We have to protect that sacred right to vote, for God's sake. 33 00:02:56,385 --> 00:02:58,387 Yea, it is written 34 00:03:00,305 --> 00:03:04,142 that on the first Tuesday of the eleventh month 35 00:03:04,226 --> 00:03:06,687 in even years of our Lord, 36 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:11,483 the faithful shall head to a little school gym... 37 00:03:14,152 --> 00:03:18,240 whereby battling the mildewy aroma of puberty sweat, 38 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:21,785 they shall enter the cloister booth 39 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:24,037 and thou shall receive a sticker! 40 00:03:24,121 --> 00:03:26,123 He bears the mark! 41 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:29,585 The mark of the damned! 42 00:03:31,712 --> 00:03:34,673 Yes, we must protect our sacred democracy. 43 00:03:34,673 --> 00:03:37,009 Of course, each party has different ideas 44 00:03:37,009 --> 00:03:38,760 about the best way to protect the franchise. 45 00:03:38,844 --> 00:03:40,637 For instance, the Democrats. 46 00:03:40,721 --> 00:03:43,807 Here in Virginia, we've expanded early votes 45 days. 47 00:03:43,891 --> 00:03:46,476 Register online and on election day. 48 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,187 Automatic voter registration. 49 00:03:48,187 --> 00:03:51,023 We expanded vote by mail drop-box locations. 50 00:03:51,023 --> 00:03:53,358 No excuse absentee ballots. 51 00:03:53,442 --> 00:03:55,527 Make Election Day a holiday. 52 00:03:55,611 --> 00:04:00,574 Let people vote just by thinking about a candidate. 53 00:04:00,574 --> 00:04:02,117 Never end the voting. 54 00:04:02,201 --> 00:04:04,536 Bisexuals get two votes. 55 00:04:10,626 --> 00:04:14,963 Of course, Republicans have a different approach known as, "Prove it." 56 00:04:15,047 --> 00:04:17,507 We need signature verification. 57 00:04:17,591 --> 00:04:19,760 Require voter ID for absentee ballots. 58 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,470 We need to have photo identification of voters. 59 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:23,222 Registration. You have to re-register. 60 00:04:23,222 --> 00:04:25,974 You have to prove you're a citizen. -You need to show your social security. 61 00:04:26,058 --> 00:04:30,187 All same day registrants and urban voters must jerk off in a cup. 62 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:35,108 Put it on the sink and fill it to the line. 63 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,444 If you don't fill it to the line, 64 00:04:37,986 --> 00:04:39,279 that's a felony. 65 00:04:41,573 --> 00:04:47,162 Democrats expand. Republicans verify to contract. 66 00:04:47,246 --> 00:04:48,372 Both parties gerrymander. 67 00:04:48,372 --> 00:04:51,041 It's two distinct approaches to American democracy. 68 00:04:51,041 --> 00:04:53,585 And despite the partisan jockeying, 69 00:04:53,669 --> 00:04:56,672 it's been remarkably durable and resilient. 70 00:04:57,172 --> 00:04:59,466 But even the best systems are not foolproof. 71 00:04:59,550 --> 00:05:04,012 Governor Bush's official lead in Florida is 537 votes 72 00:05:04,096 --> 00:05:06,098 out of nearly six million cast. 73 00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:09,268 A margin of 0.009%. 74 00:05:09,852 --> 00:05:13,647 In 2000, the presidential election came down to just 537 votes 75 00:05:13,647 --> 00:05:17,901 out of the six million in Florida and over 100 million nationwide. 76 00:05:18,402 --> 00:05:20,279 I don't care how meticulous a system you build, 77 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,448 with margins that thin, it will not be accurate enough 78 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:26,076 to truly trust who won. 79 00:05:26,577 --> 00:05:28,453 And chaos ensued. 80 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:32,541 There were armies of bug-eyed gentlemen 81 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:35,711 deployed to best decipher 82 00:05:35,711 --> 00:05:40,048 the intentions of elderly Jews' butterfly ballots. 83 00:05:40,132 --> 00:05:43,844 "I thought I voted for pastrami." 84 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:46,889 "Is this not a menu?" 85 00:05:48,307 --> 00:05:50,225 Ultimately, the Supreme Court stepped in 86 00:05:50,309 --> 00:05:54,563 and George W. Bush was declared the winner. 87 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:58,483 And of course we all know he went on to do a really great job. 88 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:06,867 I don't remember. 89 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,704 Ladies and gentlemen, Oscar-winner Al Gore. 90 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:14,291 While I strongly disagree with the court's decision, 91 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:17,503 I accept it. It's time for me to go. 92 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:21,757 A graceful exit in an election decided by one state 93 00:06:21,757 --> 00:06:24,885 with a margin of 0.009% 94 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:29,014 for an electoral college count of 271 to 266. 95 00:06:29,014 --> 00:06:30,098 Razor thin. 96 00:06:31,099 --> 00:06:33,143 So flash forward with me if you will. 97 00:06:33,977 --> 00:06:35,479 The year is 2020. 98 00:06:35,479 --> 00:06:41,026 Donald J. Trump has lost by seven million in the popular vote, 99 00:06:41,527 --> 00:06:45,614 232 to 306 in the electoral vote, 100 00:06:45,614 --> 00:06:48,700 and a combined almost 300,000 votes 101 00:06:48,784 --> 00:06:52,371 in the five most contested swing states. 102 00:06:52,371 --> 00:06:56,959 Ass me kicking, his response. 103 00:07:08,554 --> 00:07:13,392 And thus, the problem with elections. 104 00:07:13,892 --> 00:07:17,771 Yes, it turns out the ultimate test of a democracy is not the vote, 105 00:07:17,855 --> 00:07:20,190 but the acceptance of said vote. 106 00:07:20,899 --> 00:07:24,736 In 2000, our sacred democracy withstood a contested margin of error 107 00:07:24,820 --> 00:07:28,365 so small that we may never actually know who won the election. 108 00:07:28,907 --> 00:07:32,452 In 2020, our democracy remains on life support 109 00:07:32,536 --> 00:07:36,707 after a run-of-the-mill electoral and popular vote beatdown. 110 00:07:37,249 --> 00:07:43,881 And 70% of Republicans still insist Donald Trump won. 111 00:07:43,881 --> 00:07:46,300 So we've now moved from "Every vote is sacred" 112 00:07:46,300 --> 00:07:49,928 to "Democracy is in the eye of the beholder." 113 00:07:50,012 --> 00:07:53,682 Trump got dumped, so why does he think he won? 114 00:07:54,683 --> 00:07:56,059 Let's check Arizona. 115 00:07:56,143 --> 00:08:01,857 Maricopa County, it appears that 143,000 illegal votes 116 00:08:01,857 --> 00:08:05,402 were actually injected into the ballot system. Think of that. 117 00:08:05,402 --> 00:08:06,987 The communists have a baster 118 00:08:06,987 --> 00:08:09,198 and have artificially inseminated the vote. 119 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:13,785 In Maricopa County. Injecting it. 120 00:08:14,328 --> 00:08:16,038 And reality says... 121 00:08:16,038 --> 00:08:20,375 The audit confirms that Joe Biden did win in Maricopa County. 122 00:08:20,459 --> 00:08:24,546 In fact, the auditors did their hand count giving Biden, ultimately, 123 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:26,673 an even larger margin of victory. 124 00:08:29,927 --> 00:08:31,553 What say you, Michigan? 125 00:08:31,637 --> 00:08:33,847 In one Michigan county, as an example, 126 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,683 that used Dominion Systems, 127 00:08:36,767 --> 00:08:40,354 they found that nearly 6,000 votes had been wrongly switched... 128 00:08:41,395 --> 00:08:43,148 from Trump to Biden. 129 00:08:43,232 --> 00:08:45,609 Oh, my God. That's terrible. 130 00:08:45,609 --> 00:08:47,361 Reality, what say you? 131 00:08:47,945 --> 00:08:51,949 A hand count of every ballot cast for president in Antrim County, 132 00:08:52,449 --> 00:08:55,911 found that the Dominion machines used there were extremely accurate. 133 00:08:55,911 --> 00:08:59,289 By the way, the ASL interpreter was telling Donald Trump to fuck off. 134 00:09:07,965 --> 00:09:11,760 Georgia. Now this-- Fucking-- 135 00:09:12,803 --> 00:09:14,429 This is Donald Trump. 136 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:17,683 Two months after he lost the election, 137 00:09:17,683 --> 00:09:20,352 still technically president of the United States, 138 00:09:20,352 --> 00:09:24,481 on the phone with the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia, 139 00:09:24,565 --> 00:09:28,569 reading aloud an email someone's QAnon grandmother sent him. 140 00:09:28,569 --> 00:09:30,153 So, dead people voted. 141 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:33,740 And I think the number is in-- approx-- 142 00:09:33,824 --> 00:09:35,742 close to 5,000 people. 143 00:09:35,826 --> 00:09:38,704 Holy shit! 5,000 dead people voted. 144 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,790 How do you gently explain 145 00:09:41,874 --> 00:09:44,293 to the still-sitting president of the United States 146 00:09:44,293 --> 00:09:46,628 how fucked up that idea is? 147 00:09:46,712 --> 00:09:49,214 Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have 148 00:09:49,298 --> 00:09:50,924 is the data you have is wrong. 149 00:09:51,008 --> 00:09:54,011 The actual number were two. Two. 150 00:09:54,011 --> 00:09:56,013 Two people that were dead that voted. 151 00:09:56,555 --> 00:09:58,348 And so, that's wrong. That was two. 152 00:10:04,563 --> 00:10:09,443 And both of those votes were just write-ins for brains. 153 00:10:12,988 --> 00:10:15,157 I so admire the Secretary of the State of Georgia 154 00:10:15,157 --> 00:10:18,785 for not ending that conversation with, "You dumb motherfucker." 155 00:10:21,163 --> 00:10:24,750 All right. So none of the accusations of fraud turned out to be accurate. 156 00:10:25,334 --> 00:10:28,879 Anything else you'd like to mention to the Republican Secretary of State 157 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:32,132 in Georgia who actually voted for you? 158 00:10:32,216 --> 00:10:36,637 So, look, all I wanna do is this. I just wanna find 159 00:10:38,263 --> 00:10:42,935 11,780 votes, 160 00:10:42,935 --> 00:10:44,770 which is one more than we have. 161 00:10:44,770 --> 00:10:48,982 Listen, teach, all I'm saying is if you take the F 162 00:10:49,066 --> 00:10:52,528 and you just put a line on the side of it, 163 00:10:52,528 --> 00:10:55,405 it's an A. 164 00:10:55,489 --> 00:10:58,075 And then if you put a plus right there, then-- 165 00:10:58,075 --> 00:11:00,369 I'm the valedictorian is what I'm saying. 166 00:11:01,537 --> 00:11:03,622 Ultimately, Trump's electoral challenges, 167 00:11:03,622 --> 00:11:05,541 whether in the courts or through audits, 168 00:11:05,541 --> 00:11:09,086 have shown this past presidential election to be well-run and accurate. 169 00:11:09,086 --> 00:11:12,214 And his own Department of Homeland Security said as much. 170 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,592 But rather than be humbled on the sacred altar of democracy, 171 00:11:15,676 --> 00:11:18,428 Trump and his team were emboldened to figure out a way 172 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:21,390 around the one thing that got in their way. 173 00:11:22,057 --> 00:11:23,100 Voters. 174 00:11:23,100 --> 00:11:25,102 We're going to take over the election apparatus, 175 00:11:25,102 --> 00:11:28,272 volunteer to become an election official, 176 00:11:28,272 --> 00:11:30,732 run for county clerk and overthrow these county clerks, 177 00:11:30,816 --> 00:11:32,234 take over the secretaries of state. 178 00:11:32,234 --> 00:11:34,152 I can't stress enough 179 00:11:34,236 --> 00:11:37,322 how important the secretary of state offices are. 180 00:11:37,406 --> 00:11:39,449 We control the election system. 181 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:42,536 What could possibly go wrong with a vote counter 182 00:11:42,536 --> 00:11:44,580 who's dressed as a magician? 183 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:48,667 What's that you need? 184 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:50,586 Ba-ba-ba-ba-bum. 185 00:11:50,586 --> 00:11:53,672 11,780 votes! 186 00:11:53,672 --> 00:11:55,883 Abracadabra! 187 00:11:57,217 --> 00:12:00,596 But wait, elections are generally run by administrators. 188 00:12:00,596 --> 00:12:02,723 They're partisans, but they're not ideologues 189 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:04,224 or zealots or crazy people. 190 00:12:04,308 --> 00:12:06,935 And they generally do a thorough and credible and competent job. 191 00:12:07,019 --> 00:12:09,521 And they're in those positions for a long time. 192 00:12:09,605 --> 00:12:11,607 So how you gonna get rid of them? 193 00:12:11,607 --> 00:12:15,861 Threats and stalking prompt a mass exodus of an entire elections office 194 00:12:15,861 --> 00:12:17,029 in the Texas hill country. 195 00:12:17,029 --> 00:12:20,616 People who are telling you they're repeatedly gonna come hang you. 196 00:12:20,616 --> 00:12:22,201 They'd have a picture of my house and my address. 197 00:12:22,201 --> 00:12:23,368 It says, "Sleep with one eye open." 198 00:12:23,452 --> 00:12:26,330 One in six elections workers report being threatened or harassed. 199 00:12:26,330 --> 00:12:31,293 One in three have left their posts because of safety concerns. 200 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:34,171 And maybe the most incredible part of what is more than likely 201 00:12:34,171 --> 00:12:36,882 an existential threat to what's been built in this country 202 00:12:36,882 --> 00:12:38,717 over the past couple of hundred years 203 00:12:39,218 --> 00:12:41,720 is how not secret the plan is. 204 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,598 If you look at the way they counted the ballots, 205 00:12:44,598 --> 00:12:48,894 remember, the ballot counter 206 00:12:48,894 --> 00:12:51,563 is far more important, sadly in our country, 207 00:12:52,064 --> 00:12:53,190 than the candidate. 208 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:55,192 "The candidate." 209 00:12:55,984 --> 00:12:57,736 "It's more important than the candida--" 210 00:12:57,736 --> 00:13:02,783 What a playful read on a quote often attributed to Stalin. 211 00:13:02,783 --> 00:13:07,579 "One death is a tragedy, but a million's a statistic." 212 00:13:07,663 --> 00:13:08,997 "With the flavin'." 213 00:13:10,249 --> 00:13:11,250 Take a look at this. 214 00:13:14,169 --> 00:13:15,420 You know we love elections here. 215 00:13:15,504 --> 00:13:16,505 Obsessed with elections. 216 00:13:16,505 --> 00:13:18,382 But the truth is... -...we're not that interested in... 217 00:13:18,382 --> 00:13:19,675 ...how our government works... -...because... 218 00:13:19,675 --> 00:13:21,093 ...reporting on... -...governance... 219 00:13:21,093 --> 00:13:22,511 ...is boring. 220 00:13:23,470 --> 00:13:24,972 We're more interested in... -...horse races... 221 00:13:24,972 --> 00:13:26,515 ...and gossip. -Oh, yes. 222 00:13:26,515 --> 00:13:27,599 So we speculate. 223 00:13:27,683 --> 00:13:28,600 Always asking... 224 00:13:28,684 --> 00:13:29,935 ...how does everything... -...affect... 225 00:13:29,935 --> 00:13:31,812 ...the midterm elections? 226 00:13:32,771 --> 00:13:35,315 How might the end of Roe v. Wade impact the midterms? 227 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:37,776 Will the economy impact the midterms? 228 00:13:37,860 --> 00:13:38,944 What about gas prices? 229 00:13:38,944 --> 00:13:39,945 What about immigration? 230 00:13:39,945 --> 00:13:41,446 Manafort, Michael Cohen... 231 00:13:41,530 --> 00:13:43,240 Well, you know-- -...the Mullin investigation. 232 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,658 Could it impact the midterms? 233 00:13:44,658 --> 00:13:46,702 What will voters think of Senator Marco Rubio 234 00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:49,079 hitting a kid in the face with a football? 235 00:13:49,079 --> 00:13:50,372 What do the polls tell us? 236 00:13:50,372 --> 00:13:51,790 Because, of course... -...we don't know. 237 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:54,126 We just, sort off... -...jerk off. 238 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,295 So, to recap... -Governance... 239 00:13:56,295 --> 00:13:58,213 We don't care. -Midterm elections? 240 00:13:58,297 --> 00:14:00,507 I get all civically tingly. -Oh, yeah. 241 00:14:00,591 --> 00:14:01,967 The stakes are rising. -Oh, my God. 242 00:14:01,967 --> 00:14:03,677 We're building to these big moments. 243 00:14:03,677 --> 00:14:05,846 Oh, my God! 244 00:14:08,557 --> 00:14:10,267 Excuse me. I gotta get a tissue. 245 00:14:17,566 --> 00:14:18,859 That's why people-- 246 00:14:18,859 --> 00:14:22,821 That's why people keep tissues by their desk. 247 00:14:22,905 --> 00:14:26,950 So who are the people on the front lines of ensuring our election integrity? 248 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:28,827 Being the guardrail of not just voter fraud, 249 00:14:28,911 --> 00:14:30,579 but administrative shenanigans? 250 00:14:30,579 --> 00:14:33,081 Joining us today, we have Teresa De Graaf, 251 00:14:33,165 --> 00:14:36,376 a Republican clerk for Port Sheldon Township, Michigan. 252 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:39,630 Virginia Chau, an independent and part-time poll supervisor 253 00:14:39,630 --> 00:14:41,924 and trainer in Denver, Colorado. 254 00:14:41,924 --> 00:14:47,012 And Adrian Fontes, former county recorder for Maricopa County, Arizona, 255 00:14:47,012 --> 00:14:50,390 who is now the democratic nominee for Arizona's secretary of state. 256 00:14:50,474 --> 00:14:52,851 Welcome, everyone. 257 00:14:52,935 --> 00:14:54,770 Delighted you could join us. 258 00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:55,854 Adrian... 259 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:59,399 I wanna start with you. 260 00:14:59,483 --> 00:15:04,071 Maricopa County is the center of this, at least publicly, 261 00:15:04,071 --> 00:15:09,284 because of how demonstrative the Arizonans were 262 00:15:09,368 --> 00:15:11,411 outside of the place where they were counting votes. 263 00:15:11,495 --> 00:15:13,747 And by "demonstrative," I mean "armed." 264 00:15:13,747 --> 00:15:15,165 Well, not just armed, 265 00:15:15,249 --> 00:15:19,795 but we had a moment where Alex Jones and the Q Shaman themselves 266 00:15:19,795 --> 00:15:21,755 were literally linked arm-in-arm, 267 00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:24,174 yelling my name, telling me to count all the votes. 268 00:15:24,258 --> 00:15:27,678 And I wish they had been a little quieter, 'cause that's actually what we were doing. 269 00:15:27,678 --> 00:15:32,432 So it was really, really an incredible sight out there. 270 00:15:32,516 --> 00:15:37,104 We had to put a big perimeter fence and depend greatly on security. 271 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:40,691 We had to have folks escorting the workers in the warehouse 272 00:15:40,691 --> 00:15:43,193 back and forth to their vehicles with rifles. 273 00:15:43,277 --> 00:15:45,821 Because they were armed. -Because they were afraid... 274 00:15:45,821 --> 00:15:48,699 Well, you-- -...of their lives, going to their cars 275 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:51,952 after sitting and counting the ballots in Maricopa County by hand. 276 00:15:51,952 --> 00:15:54,746 Doing a lot of the adjudication and the other stuff that happens there. 277 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:56,123 Yeah. Yeah. -Right. 278 00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:59,918 Now, Teresa, you do this in a very different environment. 279 00:16:00,002 --> 00:16:01,753 You are an election administrator in-- 280 00:16:01,837 --> 00:16:04,047 How big is the area that you administrate? 281 00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:06,633 We're typically 6,000 people, 282 00:16:06,717 --> 00:16:08,844 and we have about 4,600 voters. 283 00:16:08,844 --> 00:16:10,429 So you have 4,600 voters, 284 00:16:10,429 --> 00:16:14,683 and I would imagine they all know each other to some extent. 285 00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:15,893 This is a small town. 286 00:16:15,893 --> 00:16:16,977 It is a small town. 287 00:16:17,477 --> 00:16:19,646 So what has it been like for you? 288 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:23,734 I don't imagine there's the Q Shaman and Alex Jones showing up, 289 00:16:24,234 --> 00:16:29,656 but are you feeling the pressure of this kind of accusation? 290 00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:30,866 Absolutely, 291 00:16:30,866 --> 00:16:32,743 because what happens is, people come in 292 00:16:32,743 --> 00:16:35,370 and they challenge everything that we do. 293 00:16:35,454 --> 00:16:37,539 They're challenging every process. 294 00:16:37,623 --> 00:16:41,627 They don't believe that we're doing the-- following the law. 295 00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:44,296 And so they're challenging everything we do. 296 00:16:44,296 --> 00:16:47,257 Every procedure. 297 00:16:47,758 --> 00:16:49,468 But you're clearly a devious person 298 00:16:49,468 --> 00:16:51,512 doing this for financial gain. 299 00:16:51,512 --> 00:16:53,013 Absolutely. -I mean-- 300 00:16:53,013 --> 00:16:54,765 I think I speak for the audience when I say, 301 00:16:54,765 --> 00:16:56,517 "We just sniffed this one out." 302 00:16:57,976 --> 00:17:00,604 But, Teresa, these are your neighbors. 303 00:17:00,604 --> 00:17:03,398 Is it 2020 that just changed everything? 304 00:17:03,482 --> 00:17:07,444 It is. It is. 2020 changed it. And as people come in-- 305 00:17:08,069 --> 00:17:11,906 Since 2020, I feel like I could talk people off the cliff. 306 00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:15,327 And when they came in, I could talk sense into them. 307 00:17:15,911 --> 00:17:19,623 But as time has gone on, they keep believing the lie. 308 00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:25,587 And they keep believing that what I'm doing is not accurate. 309 00:17:25,671 --> 00:17:28,048 What I'm doing, I'm not following the law somehow. 310 00:17:28,048 --> 00:17:29,758 Do they believe you're in on it? 311 00:17:30,342 --> 00:17:32,594 I don't know that they believe I'm in on it, 312 00:17:32,678 --> 00:17:35,931 but they definitely don't trust me, I don't think, anymore. 313 00:17:35,931 --> 00:17:36,849 Right. 314 00:17:36,849 --> 00:17:39,434 Virginia, you're actually-- So you're in Denver. 315 00:17:39,518 --> 00:17:42,104 You're an independent. And you train poll workers. 316 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:45,232 Yes, I supervise them at the site, and I train them. 317 00:17:45,232 --> 00:17:48,193 Have you seen a change since 2020 318 00:17:48,277 --> 00:17:51,613 and is this anything that anybody has faced previously? 319 00:17:51,697 --> 00:17:52,739 Absolutely. 320 00:17:52,823 --> 00:17:55,158 First and foremost, like, I'm, like, a normal person. 321 00:17:55,242 --> 00:17:57,327 I don't do this as a full-time thing. 322 00:17:57,411 --> 00:17:59,621 This is for two weeks, you know, 323 00:17:59,705 --> 00:18:01,039 out of the year. 324 00:18:01,123 --> 00:18:04,626 And I did it because it's the American thing to do. 325 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:06,712 And now-- -You can say community service 326 00:18:06,712 --> 00:18:10,132 to get out of going to jail. It's fine. -Okay. 327 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:14,344 But it-- I mean, it's hard getting people to want to even participate now, 328 00:18:14,428 --> 00:18:17,055 'cause we don't have protections 329 00:18:17,139 --> 00:18:19,725 for poll workers or for elected officials, 330 00:18:19,725 --> 00:18:20,851 like yourself here. 331 00:18:20,851 --> 00:18:21,977 The normal thing would be, 332 00:18:21,977 --> 00:18:26,940 we train you to get the signature, check it, give them the thing. 333 00:18:27,024 --> 00:18:29,109 And now-- Do you have to train them, 334 00:18:29,193 --> 00:18:32,237 "Here's what you do if someone tries to unplug a voting machine"? 335 00:18:32,321 --> 00:18:34,198 "Here's what you do if they show up armed"? 336 00:18:34,198 --> 00:18:35,490 Is that what we've come to? 337 00:18:35,991 --> 00:18:38,744 The truth is, there's no structure. There's no training for that. 338 00:18:39,328 --> 00:18:41,538 You don't know what to do until things happen. 339 00:18:41,622 --> 00:18:45,250 And there's no laws in place if, like, someone calls your name. 340 00:18:45,334 --> 00:18:47,878 You know, someone talks about voting fraud. 341 00:18:47,878 --> 00:18:52,382 That's only when we can call someone, if we have the financial resources, 342 00:18:52,466 --> 00:18:54,801 to get someone down there to be like, 343 00:18:54,885 --> 00:18:57,971 "Okay, let's monitor. Let's have some police there, or someplace better." 344 00:18:58,055 --> 00:19:01,683 One of the interesting shifts here is an incident we had 345 00:19:01,767 --> 00:19:04,311 during the general election in 2018. 346 00:19:04,311 --> 00:19:06,772 It was one of our biggest security incidences that we had. 347 00:19:06,772 --> 00:19:09,149 This is in Maricopa County? -This is in Maricopa County, Arizona. 348 00:19:09,233 --> 00:19:10,776 General election 2018. 349 00:19:10,776 --> 00:19:13,904 We had a rattlesnake in the parking lot at Pinnacle Peak precinct. 350 00:19:14,696 --> 00:19:17,366 Sure, I'm from Jersey. I get that. -That was it. 351 00:19:18,367 --> 00:19:23,580 But the fact that you're asking a question about, 352 00:19:24,081 --> 00:19:27,376 "Do you have training about what happens if somebody armed shows up?" 353 00:19:27,376 --> 00:19:30,212 If somebody's making actual physical threats. 354 00:19:30,212 --> 00:19:33,632 That's how far we've come in this very, very short period of time. 355 00:19:33,632 --> 00:19:37,177 And that's why when we say what's happening is dangerous 356 00:19:37,261 --> 00:19:38,178 for our democracy 357 00:19:38,262 --> 00:19:42,182 and literally the survival of this republic, that's what we mean. 358 00:19:42,266 --> 00:19:45,686 Are people fleeing those administrative positions? 359 00:19:46,353 --> 00:19:47,855 They aren't necessarily, 360 00:19:47,855 --> 00:19:51,400 but you should see their eyes when we train them and we say, 361 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,111 "This is what you need to do in case there's an active shooter." 362 00:19:54,111 --> 00:19:55,988 "This is what you need to do..." -Oh, my God. 363 00:19:55,988 --> 00:19:58,866 "...if someone comes in with-- They're actively--" 364 00:19:58,866 --> 00:20:01,577 We have open carry in our state, in Michigan. 365 00:20:01,577 --> 00:20:03,453 So if someone comes in-- -You talking booze or guns? 366 00:20:03,537 --> 00:20:04,830 I'm talking guns. 367 00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:06,498 But not booze. -Not booze. 368 00:20:07,207 --> 00:20:08,208 But... 369 00:20:15,174 --> 00:20:16,800 "Hey, man. Can I bring my AR in here?" 370 00:20:16,884 --> 00:20:18,260 "Sure." -"And my Budweiser?" 371 00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:19,428 "Tut, tut, tut!" 372 00:20:20,888 --> 00:20:22,472 "We have rules!" 373 00:20:22,556 --> 00:20:26,602 But, Jon, I literally had a voter that came in and got an absent voter ballot, 374 00:20:27,477 --> 00:20:29,479 within the last two weeks, that said, 375 00:20:29,563 --> 00:20:32,983 "We haven't voted absent voter before, but I'm not gonna come to the polls, 376 00:20:32,983 --> 00:20:36,486 because I don't wanna encounter someone with an AR on their back." 377 00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:38,447 Oh, dear God. 378 00:20:38,447 --> 00:20:39,698 And-- -And do they believe-- 379 00:20:39,698 --> 00:20:44,036 I'm so curious. Is it that those that believe the election is fraudulent, 380 00:20:44,036 --> 00:20:47,998 do they not understand that there are checks and balances 381 00:20:47,998 --> 00:20:51,710 within these local systems, these county systems, 382 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:53,629 these city systems, 383 00:20:53,629 --> 00:20:57,716 that adjudicate the dead people and the signatures? 384 00:20:57,716 --> 00:21:01,011 That's part of this, is it not? -Well, it is part of it. 385 00:21:01,011 --> 00:21:04,223 Elections are the golden thread that run through the whole fabric of our society. 386 00:21:04,223 --> 00:21:07,267 You pull that thread out, the entire thing disintegrates. 387 00:21:07,768 --> 00:21:11,230 And we are on the cusp of that right now. That's what's scary. 388 00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:14,149 And that's what folks like us and so many tens of thousands 389 00:21:14,233 --> 00:21:16,193 across the country are fighting against. -Right. 390 00:21:16,193 --> 00:21:19,613 What's so interesting to me is, Teresa and Virginia, 391 00:21:19,613 --> 00:21:21,281 I feel like, you know, 392 00:21:21,365 --> 00:21:26,036 we've out put upon you this idea that you are now the last guardrail. 393 00:21:26,036 --> 00:21:28,205 You are the bulwark 394 00:21:28,205 --> 00:21:31,542 that's going to keep that fabric from unraveling. 395 00:21:31,542 --> 00:21:33,043 And I guess my question is, 396 00:21:33,627 --> 00:21:38,549 are you getting the support that you need to be on that wall? 397 00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:42,803 We need you on that wall, and what kind of support are you getting 398 00:21:42,803 --> 00:21:45,097 or do you feel abandoned in any way? 399 00:21:45,097 --> 00:21:48,851 Well, I feel like we're getting a lot of support with the security part of it. 400 00:21:48,851 --> 00:21:50,394 We've had training 401 00:21:50,978 --> 00:21:54,398 probably multiple times a week in the last few weeks on security. 402 00:21:55,315 --> 00:22:00,028 But our legislature in Michigan just passed some drop box laws. 403 00:22:00,112 --> 00:22:01,321 They enacted the law-- 404 00:22:01,405 --> 00:22:03,198 A change in the election law. 405 00:22:03,282 --> 00:22:06,451 Right. And we had literally two-and-a-half weeks 406 00:22:06,952 --> 00:22:10,038 to comply with some of the drop box law that they made. 407 00:22:10,539 --> 00:22:13,834 And we have to get things certified and we can't even do it. 408 00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:16,044 So-- -And all based on a suspicion 409 00:22:16,128 --> 00:22:18,547 that in no way has any evidence behind it. 410 00:22:18,547 --> 00:22:19,548 Right. -Virginia, 411 00:22:19,548 --> 00:22:21,758 are they doing the same thing in Denver? 412 00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:24,845 I mean, in Colorado, I know at the Denver polling places, 413 00:22:24,845 --> 00:22:27,764 people come in 'cause they feel like they have to check in on you. 414 00:22:28,265 --> 00:22:31,435 And there's no really rules in place that you can't come in and, like, watch. 415 00:22:31,977 --> 00:22:35,856 And for us, right, it's really hard, 416 00:22:35,856 --> 00:22:38,150 especially if you're a minority. 417 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:40,360 'Cause people are targeting you, you know, 418 00:22:40,444 --> 00:22:43,155 as someone that's clearly not white. 419 00:22:43,155 --> 00:22:46,450 You know, people come in and it's like, "Why are you the supervisor?" 420 00:22:46,450 --> 00:22:47,701 You know, "Are you a citizen?" 421 00:22:47,701 --> 00:22:51,163 But, Adrian, isn't that what's really undermining the credibility here? 422 00:22:51,163 --> 00:22:55,709 Is by allowing these falsehoods to metastasize, 423 00:22:55,709 --> 00:22:58,962 that's what's really undercutting election integrity. 424 00:22:59,046 --> 00:23:01,089 And you're in a state where, you know, 425 00:23:01,173 --> 00:23:06,929 the attorney general of Arizona is continuing these weird investigations. 426 00:23:06,929 --> 00:23:10,182 The legislature wants total control over the electoral process. 427 00:23:10,182 --> 00:23:12,392 They're bringing it to the Supreme Court 428 00:23:12,476 --> 00:23:15,854 and basically saying if the Supreme Court okays it, 429 00:23:15,938 --> 00:23:17,856 will of the voters be damned, 430 00:23:17,940 --> 00:23:19,733 they can just send a different set of electors. 431 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:23,195 Well, I mean, they forget that the stool needs three legs. 432 00:23:23,195 --> 00:23:25,989 There's three branches of government for a reason. And what they're saying is, 433 00:23:26,073 --> 00:23:29,159 "No, just the legislature's the only stool that we can stand on." 434 00:23:29,243 --> 00:23:31,078 And we all know how that's gonna end. 435 00:23:31,078 --> 00:23:34,706 But as far as the-- You know, this is just real. 436 00:23:34,790 --> 00:23:38,252 And I think one of the things that you talk about, this thing metastasizing-- 437 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:43,257 We're spending so much time on the "whatabouterism," right? 438 00:23:43,257 --> 00:23:44,716 Well, this side and that side. 439 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,052 There are no two sides to the truth. 440 00:23:47,052 --> 00:23:48,804 Right. -But at the end of the day, 441 00:23:48,804 --> 00:23:51,348 we're talking about the survival of the republic. 442 00:23:51,348 --> 00:23:53,517 That's not a joke. 443 00:23:53,517 --> 00:23:54,852 That's not unreal. 444 00:23:54,852 --> 00:23:59,481 It is a heavy, heavy burden that folks who are on the ground are carrying. 445 00:23:59,565 --> 00:24:01,483 That's why we've been calling for stricter laws 446 00:24:01,567 --> 00:24:05,904 against folks who will threaten or harass election administrators 447 00:24:05,988 --> 00:24:07,823 at a local level. -You need law enforcement in that. 448 00:24:07,823 --> 00:24:11,118 You need the AGs to stand up and not give credence to these things. 449 00:24:11,118 --> 00:24:12,160 Now we do. -Right. 450 00:24:12,744 --> 00:24:14,997 Well, thank you guys so much for being with us 451 00:24:14,997 --> 00:24:16,707 and having the discussion. 452 00:24:16,707 --> 00:24:18,750 And I can't tell you how much I admire the fact 453 00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:21,086 that you guys are out there doing the real work 454 00:24:21,170 --> 00:24:23,755 to keep this thing humming along. 455 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,716 So, Teresa, Virginia and Adrian, 456 00:24:25,716 --> 00:24:28,802 no one should have to go through the threats and harassments 457 00:24:28,886 --> 00:24:31,805 that these three have, but we appreciate you being here today. 458 00:24:31,889 --> 00:24:33,307 Take a quick look at this. 459 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:35,350 And now, 460 00:24:35,434 --> 00:24:38,145 a word from the most influential person in the history of America. 461 00:24:38,145 --> 00:24:39,980 Hi, I'm Susan Sarandon. 462 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:41,440 As you may have heard, 463 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,859 I single-handedly am responsible 464 00:24:43,859 --> 00:24:47,529 for Donald Trump winning the 2016 presidential election, 465 00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:49,031 the fall of Roe v. Wade 466 00:24:49,031 --> 00:24:50,741 and the return of polio. 467 00:24:51,325 --> 00:24:52,409 Probably. 468 00:24:52,409 --> 00:24:53,827 As the midterms approach, 469 00:24:53,911 --> 00:24:57,164 I wanted to inform the millions of Americans who hang on my every word, 470 00:24:57,164 --> 00:25:00,459 who look to me for guidance in all that you do, 471 00:25:01,335 --> 00:25:03,962 I release you. 472 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:08,675 You no longer have to do what I say. 473 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:12,262 I acknowledge, at times, I have led this great nation astray. 474 00:25:12,346 --> 00:25:14,389 I told Hillary not to go to Wisconsin. 475 00:25:14,473 --> 00:25:16,850 I release you. 476 00:25:16,934 --> 00:25:17,935 It's true. I said, 477 00:25:17,935 --> 00:25:20,979 "I love Timothée Chalamet, but don't put the boy in every movie." 478 00:25:21,647 --> 00:25:23,774 I release you. 479 00:25:23,774 --> 00:25:25,442 Honestly, it is just too much. 480 00:25:25,526 --> 00:25:28,946 I've got cats, I've got kids, I've got allergies, I've got another job. 481 00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:30,030 Just-- 482 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:34,535 I release you from my power. 483 00:25:35,953 --> 00:25:39,706 So you are now free to make your own decisions. 484 00:25:39,790 --> 00:25:41,583 You do the work. You follow the money. 485 00:25:41,667 --> 00:25:44,211 Just leave me the fuck alone. 486 00:25:44,211 --> 00:25:47,422 Susan! Susan. Susan, thank God. -Jon! Hello. 487 00:25:47,506 --> 00:25:50,008 Almond butter or peanut butter? 'Cause I was gonna make a sandwich. 488 00:25:50,843 --> 00:25:52,219 You can eat whatever you want, Jon. 489 00:25:52,219 --> 00:25:54,304 No. No, you tell me. 490 00:25:54,388 --> 00:25:56,348 It's-- -No, no, no. It's your jars, you choose. 491 00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:59,059 They're both basically the same. Just choose one, Jon. 492 00:25:59,059 --> 00:26:00,352 Alm-- -No, no, no. 493 00:26:00,352 --> 00:26:02,729 I'm not telling you which one to do-- -Can you just tweet it? 494 00:26:04,773 --> 00:26:06,900 I release you. 495 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:11,738 And I release you. 496 00:26:13,782 --> 00:26:15,200 Don't fuck this up. 497 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,161 What the heck? 498 00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:27,713 So, we were talking about Maricopa County in Arizona, 499 00:26:27,713 --> 00:26:32,968 so we went and spoke to Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich, 500 00:26:32,968 --> 00:26:37,222 who has been on the front lines of investigating this voter fraud. 501 00:26:38,015 --> 00:26:40,350 Protecting state legislatures? 502 00:26:40,434 --> 00:26:43,353 Or... I'm really not sure what he's doing, but enjoy. 503 00:26:43,854 --> 00:26:45,230 Welcome. -Thank you, sir. 504 00:26:45,314 --> 00:26:48,442 We are talking about election integrity... -Yes. 505 00:26:48,442 --> 00:26:53,572 ...and you have gone through greats lengths to ensure election integrity in Arizona. 506 00:26:54,323 --> 00:26:55,490 What I have done is-- 507 00:26:55,574 --> 00:26:57,743 As the attorney general, I always tell folks 508 00:26:57,743 --> 00:27:01,038 the job of our office is to enforce the law as it is. 509 00:27:01,038 --> 00:27:04,750 And if people don't like the law, then you can change your representatives. 510 00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:07,836 And we, historically in this country, we settle our differences 511 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,673 through exercising our First Amendment rights to speak and our right to vote. 512 00:27:11,757 --> 00:27:13,967 And so it's a very sacred obligation... 513 00:27:14,051 --> 00:27:15,093 Yes. -...and we need to protect. 514 00:27:15,177 --> 00:27:16,845 But at the same time, Jon... -Yes. 515 00:27:16,929 --> 00:27:18,847 ...people need to have confidence in the results. 516 00:27:18,931 --> 00:27:21,016 And so, what we have seen... -Yes. 517 00:27:21,016 --> 00:27:22,976 ...over the last few election cycles 518 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:26,188 is every time whoever wins, Democratic or Republican, 519 00:27:26,188 --> 00:27:27,731 there is sour grapes, 520 00:27:27,731 --> 00:27:33,487 and we now are in this cycle where every single election gets nastier and nastier 521 00:27:33,487 --> 00:27:37,157 and whoever loses is claiming fraud more and more and more. 522 00:27:37,241 --> 00:27:40,285 I don't think there's any real comparison 523 00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:44,706 between Trump's efforts to overturn this election 524 00:27:45,207 --> 00:27:49,878 and anything I've ever seen before in the history of the United States. 525 00:27:49,962 --> 00:27:52,965 Certainly in modern times. -Yes, I think we all agree to that. 526 00:27:52,965 --> 00:27:54,675 We all know, and I will tell you this, 527 00:27:54,675 --> 00:27:57,302 I do think-- Look. I understand-- 528 00:27:57,386 --> 00:28:00,556 And I'm a Republican, and I know you and I may disagree on issues, 529 00:28:00,556 --> 00:28:03,934 but I do think it's important how we talk about issues that matter. 530 00:28:03,934 --> 00:28:07,521 And I do think people have to have confidence in the process. 531 00:28:07,521 --> 00:28:09,481 And I thought it was important, Jon. -Yeah. 532 00:28:09,565 --> 00:28:10,983 We spent, as an office-- 533 00:28:10,983 --> 00:28:13,735 Legislature funds us. They created this election integrity unit. 534 00:28:13,819 --> 00:28:15,904 Yes. -So we had run the stuff to ground. 535 00:28:15,988 --> 00:28:18,699 And we went through it, and there was reports-- 536 00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:20,784 All these people-- Allegations of dead people voting, 537 00:28:20,868 --> 00:28:22,411 they said the former president was talking about it. 538 00:28:22,411 --> 00:28:23,745 And we looked into it. 539 00:28:23,829 --> 00:28:25,831 Right now, we have about, 540 00:28:25,831 --> 00:28:29,376 I think almost 20 criminal cases related to the 2020 election. 541 00:28:29,376 --> 00:28:32,379 Out of 4 million votes? -Yeah-- No, I'm talking in facts, Jon. 542 00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:36,175 But the reality is, is there are millions of people, not only in Arizona, 543 00:28:36,175 --> 00:28:38,635 but people throughout this country, that think the election is stolen. 544 00:28:38,719 --> 00:28:40,470 There's people that believe in angels, 545 00:28:40,554 --> 00:28:44,975 but that doesn't mean you launch an investigation that angels changed ballots. 546 00:28:44,975 --> 00:28:46,852 But-- -Like-- Bit of a tautology. 547 00:28:47,603 --> 00:28:50,022 When you have a former president spreading rumors... 548 00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:51,940 Yeah. -...to his supporters. 549 00:28:52,024 --> 00:28:53,942 For instance, Trump can say... 550 00:28:56,820 --> 00:29:00,949 "74,000 mail-in ballots received that were never mailed. 551 00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:02,326 Magically-appearing ballots. 552 00:29:02,326 --> 00:29:07,873 168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper. 553 00:29:07,873 --> 00:29:11,668 36,000 ballots illegally cast by non-citizens." 554 00:29:11,752 --> 00:29:14,796 Now, the truth is, none of that was real. 555 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,967 When it first came out, the Cyber Ninjas said Joe Biden won Arizona. 556 00:29:19,051 --> 00:29:21,595 Then they got a lot of pushback and they started hedging and hawing, 557 00:29:21,595 --> 00:29:23,305 and then, next thing you know, people are like, 558 00:29:23,305 --> 00:29:25,057 "Well, Brnovich needs to do something about it." 559 00:29:25,057 --> 00:29:26,808 And then it was, like, a hot mess-- 560 00:29:26,892 --> 00:29:28,977 But you've responded by doing things about it. 561 00:29:29,061 --> 00:29:30,854 What I've done is-- -You've said you're still investigating-- 562 00:29:30,938 --> 00:29:32,648 We've run a lot of this stuff to ground. 563 00:29:32,648 --> 00:29:34,358 And when you get it to ground, 564 00:29:34,358 --> 00:29:39,071 will you come out and say, "Donald J. Trump is wrong. 565 00:29:40,030 --> 00:29:46,370 The election in Arizona was fair, not stolen and not fraudulent"? 566 00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:48,580 I've always been a straight shooter 567 00:29:48,664 --> 00:29:50,749 and once-- No, once all the facts and evidence are-- 568 00:29:50,749 --> 00:29:52,501 Jon! Jon, come on, man. 569 00:29:52,501 --> 00:29:53,627 I'm telling ya, I-- 570 00:29:53,627 --> 00:29:58,423 You have found no evidence that the election in Arizona 571 00:29:58,966 --> 00:30:02,845 was fraudulent or stolen from Donald Trump. 572 00:30:02,845 --> 00:30:06,181 Donald Trump lost Arizona, period. I've said that from the very beginning. 573 00:30:06,265 --> 00:30:09,768 There have been isolated incidences thus far that we've identified... 574 00:30:09,852 --> 00:30:11,311 Yes. -...and we are prosecuting. 575 00:30:11,395 --> 00:30:15,148 We still have some active investigations going on, but people can 576 00:30:15,232 --> 00:30:17,067 draw their own conclusions. -But on the main, there is-- 577 00:30:17,067 --> 00:30:19,486 No, no, people cannot draw their own conclusions. 578 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:21,363 There is-- -That's the point of the law. 579 00:30:21,363 --> 00:30:24,032 Yeah, it is. -The law is that you have facts... 580 00:30:24,116 --> 00:30:26,118 Right. Right. -...and you have fiction. 581 00:30:26,118 --> 00:30:33,125 The fact is, the election in Arizona was well-run, not fraudulent, 582 00:30:33,125 --> 00:30:37,880 and not stolen from Donald Trump, according to even your investigations. 583 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,756 I have never said that it was-- 584 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,384 Why is it so hard to just say yes to that? 585 00:30:42,384 --> 00:30:47,431 I guess because I've spent my entire-- most of my career as a prosecutor, 586 00:30:47,431 --> 00:30:49,641 and we still have some ongoing cases. 587 00:30:49,725 --> 00:30:52,352 Let me put it this way-- -So, in your mind, you still feel like, 588 00:30:52,436 --> 00:30:55,772 after all this, you're gonna discover... -No. 589 00:30:55,856 --> 00:30:59,651 ...a concerted effort to steal the election from Donald Trump, 590 00:30:59,735 --> 00:31:02,404 and that it was fraudulent. Is that what you're saying? 591 00:31:02,404 --> 00:31:05,991 No, that's not what I'm saying. -So, why can't you say 592 00:31:05,991 --> 00:31:11,496 the election in 2020 was not stolen or fraudulent? 593 00:31:11,580 --> 00:31:13,749 I will tell you this. As I said-- 594 00:31:13,749 --> 00:31:15,876 This is blowing my mind. -Is it really? 595 00:31:15,876 --> 00:31:20,797 You can't say your conclusion before you go through the entire process. 596 00:31:20,881 --> 00:31:22,549 That's what I said. You and I are disagreeing... 597 00:31:22,633 --> 00:31:24,635 Right. -...because you think that somehow, 598 00:31:24,635 --> 00:31:27,012 that makes me a weenie or that I'm-- 599 00:31:27,012 --> 00:31:29,223 I'm entertaining conspiracy theories. -Yeah. 600 00:31:29,223 --> 00:31:31,350 If I thought there was widespread fraud... -Yes. 601 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:34,228 ...would I have certified the election or read part of that certification process? 602 00:31:34,228 --> 00:31:37,481 You seem like you're playing a little bit of a double game. 603 00:31:37,481 --> 00:31:39,608 I don't know if it's a double game. -So, well-- 604 00:31:39,608 --> 00:31:45,197 When it's convenient, you go to the partisan side and you say, 605 00:31:45,197 --> 00:31:47,533 for instance, as you did on Steve Bannon's show, 606 00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:50,035 "We all know what happened." -Yeah. 607 00:31:50,702 --> 00:31:54,665 And you intimated that "we all know what happened 608 00:31:54,665 --> 00:31:57,501 and I'm here to tell you, I'm not gonna let it happen again." 609 00:31:59,044 --> 00:32:02,756 So what is it exactly that happened in Maricopa County 610 00:32:03,382 --> 00:32:06,468 that you're not gonna let happen again, that was fraudulent? 611 00:32:06,552 --> 00:32:09,972 What I said in relationship to the Steve Bannon show, 612 00:32:09,972 --> 00:32:13,141 there was a lot of folks complaining about everything going on, 613 00:32:13,225 --> 00:32:16,520 and we pointed out that there was up to 200,000 ballots 614 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,063 that didn't have a proper chain of custody. 615 00:32:18,063 --> 00:32:20,732 And that's why, if you listen to the whole Steve Bannon thing, 616 00:32:20,816 --> 00:32:21,900 he said, "That's evidence of fraud," 617 00:32:21,984 --> 00:32:24,778 and I said, "No, people can draw their own conclusions." 618 00:32:24,862 --> 00:32:26,321 What you don't want 619 00:32:26,405 --> 00:32:28,365 is someone to be able to say... -But there are-- 620 00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:30,242 "These ballots didn't have the chain of custody. 621 00:32:30,242 --> 00:32:32,703 Therefore, it's fraud." -There are checks and balances 622 00:32:32,703 --> 00:32:34,538 within the Maricopa system 623 00:32:34,538 --> 00:32:39,168 that any gaps in chain of custody are also cross-checked 624 00:32:39,751 --> 00:32:42,462 through signatures and verification, and you know that. 625 00:32:42,546 --> 00:32:45,591 It's all bullshit, and you know it's all bullshit. 626 00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:51,972 I think that elections in this country are, in the main, run incredibly well. 627 00:32:51,972 --> 00:32:53,056 I think that's fact. 628 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:58,145 But the real threat to democracy in this country is, 629 00:32:58,145 --> 00:33:01,607 you have election officials who've been threatened and harassed, 630 00:33:01,607 --> 00:33:04,568 who are quitting in large number, right? 631 00:33:05,652 --> 00:33:07,196 And what the legislature has done 632 00:33:07,196 --> 00:33:13,035 has made giving someone an absentee ballot that didn't ask for it a felony. 633 00:33:13,035 --> 00:33:18,165 I can't tell you, our office received hundreds, thousands of calls and emails. 634 00:33:18,165 --> 00:33:19,499 I've gotten death threats. 635 00:33:19,583 --> 00:33:22,044 In fact, there's someone that just got indicted 636 00:33:22,044 --> 00:33:24,087 for threatening me over the 2020 election. 637 00:33:24,171 --> 00:33:25,923 So, I know what it's like to be threatened. 638 00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:30,219 I know what it's like to have people literally threatening to kill you. 639 00:33:30,219 --> 00:33:35,766 So have election officials and vote recorders and all kinds of people. 640 00:33:35,766 --> 00:33:40,187 Why hasn't there been the same hundreds of thousands of dollars 641 00:33:40,187 --> 00:33:45,442 spent on criminalizing those threats to democracy as felonies, 642 00:33:45,526 --> 00:33:49,404 when all you've done is give credence to the conspiracy theories? 643 00:33:49,488 --> 00:33:51,990 I know there's been some stories about how much time and money 644 00:33:52,074 --> 00:33:53,700 we've spent on these investigations. 645 00:33:53,784 --> 00:33:55,285 Look, I'm not the legislature. 646 00:33:55,369 --> 00:33:58,997 When you have a legislature that says, 647 00:33:59,081 --> 00:34:00,874 "We're gonna fund an election interrogating unit. 648 00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:03,585 You have an obligation to investigate these complaints..." 649 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:06,839 That's right. -So that's the hand I've been dealt. 650 00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,842 Right. So you're saying you just have to do what the legislature's doing, 651 00:34:09,842 --> 00:34:13,719 and if the legislature is screwy, that puts you in a tough position. 652 00:34:14,471 --> 00:34:17,014 Is that what you're saying? -I think we can agree on that. 653 00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:20,351 So it's dangerous to just allow 654 00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:24,438 ideological legislatures to kind of run roughshod. Correct? 655 00:34:24,523 --> 00:34:26,608 There's supposed to be a separation of powers, yes. 656 00:34:26,692 --> 00:34:31,697 So, why did you join 657 00:34:31,697 --> 00:34:34,283 with 12 other attorneys general 658 00:34:35,367 --> 00:34:36,994 on a brief to the Supreme Court, 659 00:34:37,578 --> 00:34:42,498 to allow legislatures to override election laws in states? 660 00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:43,583 I... 661 00:34:44,293 --> 00:34:46,128 Maybe we'll once again disagree with the premise... 662 00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:48,213 Okay. -...I'm a big believer in federalism 663 00:34:48,297 --> 00:34:50,591 and, you know, Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution... 664 00:34:50,591 --> 00:34:52,301 Okay. -No, the time, place and manner, Jon, 665 00:34:52,301 --> 00:34:53,385 I know you think it's-- -Sure. 666 00:34:53,467 --> 00:34:55,387 I mean, these are ser-- 667 00:34:55,469 --> 00:35:00,017 It's just all conveniently lining up. Do you understand my point? 668 00:35:00,017 --> 00:35:02,352 I do. -This all conveniently lines up 669 00:35:02,436 --> 00:35:07,691 when you have a group that's not looking to shore up the security of elections, 670 00:35:07,691 --> 00:35:12,362 but to change the results to their favor, is a bigger threat. 671 00:35:12,446 --> 00:35:16,200 But all I've seen is work in that direction 672 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,872 and no work in the direction of protecting the safety of election workers, 673 00:35:21,872 --> 00:35:25,501 vehemently convincing election deniers 674 00:35:25,501 --> 00:35:29,505 that the evidence so far does not support them-- 675 00:35:29,505 --> 00:35:31,798 No one, whether they're an election official, 676 00:35:31,882 --> 00:35:33,842 whether they're a police officer, 677 00:35:33,926 --> 00:35:37,554 no one that's doing their job in a public service should ever feel threatened. 678 00:35:37,638 --> 00:35:39,264 And we should do everything we can-- 679 00:35:39,348 --> 00:35:40,557 But you're not. -I am, though. 680 00:35:40,641 --> 00:35:42,559 That's not true, Jon. 681 00:35:42,643 --> 00:35:44,394 They're quitting. -Jon. 682 00:35:44,478 --> 00:35:46,522 Look, we are doing everything we can. 683 00:35:46,522 --> 00:35:48,357 You're not. -Yeah, we are. No, you're wrong. 684 00:35:48,357 --> 00:35:49,566 You're doing everything you can? 685 00:35:49,650 --> 00:35:51,610 Look-- But-- We're speaking frankly. -Yeah. 686 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:56,406 70% of Republicans in Arizona think the election was stolen and fraudulent. 687 00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:58,325 Right. But you understand... -I feel like I have a-- 688 00:35:58,325 --> 00:35:59,826 ...that's fucking crazy. -I-- 689 00:35:59,910 --> 00:36:02,746 Jon, I feel like that's why I have an-- -Say it's fucking crazy. 690 00:36:02,746 --> 00:36:04,581 I have an obligation-- -Just tell me that. 691 00:36:04,665 --> 00:36:06,667 The point, though, is I feel like when I-- 692 00:36:06,667 --> 00:36:09,002 when we continue to run all that stuff to ground... 693 00:36:09,086 --> 00:36:11,338 Yeah. -...and demonstrate that it is-- 694 00:36:11,338 --> 00:36:14,550 When it's not true, we come out very forcefully and say this is wrong, 695 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:15,592 it's not true-- -Let's say this then. 696 00:36:15,676 --> 00:36:17,761 When you're ready to release the report, 697 00:36:17,845 --> 00:36:19,513 when will that be? Do you know? 698 00:36:19,513 --> 00:36:21,014 Sooner rather than later, I'd hope. -Great. 699 00:36:21,598 --> 00:36:26,520 Will you go out and vehemently debunk all those issues? 700 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,439 I-- -As vehemently as needed. 701 00:36:30,399 --> 00:36:31,233 Absolutely. 702 00:36:32,526 --> 00:36:33,694 Thanks. -Thanks for coming on. 703 00:36:33,694 --> 00:36:34,987 Second to you. -Much appreciated. 704 00:36:34,987 --> 00:36:36,280 All right, nice one. 705 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,198 Well, there you have it. 706 00:36:38,282 --> 00:36:39,366 That's fine. 707 00:36:39,366 --> 00:36:41,410 What? What could go wrong? 708 00:36:43,161 --> 00:36:44,371 You know what? 709 00:36:46,415 --> 00:36:49,126 Elections aren't really that important anyway. Who gives a shit? 710 00:36:50,294 --> 00:36:53,881 For more resources, please check out these websites that you can go to 711 00:36:53,881 --> 00:36:57,009 or check out our website. 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