1 00:00:08,175 --> 00:00:11,885 A female athlete's body is strong. 2 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,420 [grunting] 3 00:00:13,497 --> 00:00:16,423 -Confident. -[chanting] hold that goal! 4 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:17,424 Sexy... 5 00:00:17,501 --> 00:00:19,118 [crowd cheering] 6 00:00:19,194 --> 00:00:21,428 Majestic. 7 00:00:21,505 --> 00:00:23,580 Toned. 8 00:00:23,582 --> 00:00:25,432 Powerful. 9 00:00:25,509 --> 00:00:26,674 Sweaty. 10 00:00:26,752 --> 00:00:29,360 -Secure. -Muscular. 11 00:00:29,362 --> 00:00:32,455 And sometimes...It's naked. 12 00:00:32,532 --> 00:00:34,074 ♪♪ 13 00:00:34,109 --> 00:00:36,476 But there is a lot of backlash 14 00:00:36,511 --> 00:00:39,847 When you are a female athlete who posed for "playboy." 15 00:00:39,882 --> 00:00:42,215 Reporter: The "playboy" cover and 8-page spread 16 00:00:42,250 --> 00:00:43,667 Has a lot of tongues waggin'. 17 00:00:43,702 --> 00:00:45,568 Eventually they'll get to the point to where 18 00:00:45,646 --> 00:00:48,955 They'll regret that they done this. 19 00:00:49,032 --> 00:00:51,975 They asked me to show my vagina. 20 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:54,319 At that point, I just gave in and knew 21 00:00:54,396 --> 00:00:57,097 That I was probably gonna go to hell. 22 00:00:57,132 --> 00:00:58,265 ♪♪ 23 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:00,817 The backlash was huge. 24 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:02,903 It was brutal. 25 00:01:02,938 --> 00:01:06,640 Commentator: This is two steps to the rear for women's boxing. 26 00:01:06,675 --> 00:01:10,911 This issue hit the stands, and then a bomb went off, 27 00:01:10,987 --> 00:01:16,224 Because this...Was...Shocking. 28 00:01:16,302 --> 00:01:18,752 And honestly, once the magazine came out, 29 00:01:18,828 --> 00:01:21,371 I wasn't prepared at all because I didn't think 30 00:01:21,373 --> 00:01:23,773 Anybody was gonna make a big deal about it. 31 00:01:23,851 --> 00:01:25,626 ♪♪ 32 00:01:25,661 --> 00:01:29,070 And for some reason, people lost it. 33 00:01:29,148 --> 00:01:31,590 [motor revving] 34 00:01:31,667 --> 00:01:32,966 My name is hugh hefner. 35 00:01:33,001 --> 00:01:34,467 I'm editor-publisher of "playboy" magazine. 36 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:35,719 Reporter: Playboy is one 37 00:01:35,754 --> 00:01:38,822 Of the most famous brand names in the world. 38 00:01:38,857 --> 00:01:40,874 It was simply to include sex as 39 00:01:41,026 --> 00:01:44,027 One natural part of a package for a male audience. 40 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:45,646 Kari ann: When I made the choice to do "playboy," 41 00:01:45,681 --> 00:01:48,315 I didn't realize all the choices that I was making 42 00:01:48,317 --> 00:01:50,167 That came with that choice. 43 00:01:50,202 --> 00:01:53,378 Pitzulo: We don't judge the men for buying the "playboy"s, 44 00:01:53,455 --> 00:01:56,189 But we judge the women for posing for "playboy." 45 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:58,199 Jill: I was never jill anymore. 46 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:00,677 I was jill that posed for "playboy." 47 00:02:00,712 --> 00:02:03,079 Ashley: I just gave in and knew that I was 48 00:02:03,157 --> 00:02:04,647 Probably gonna go to hell. 49 00:02:04,725 --> 00:02:06,250 Zoe: It got to a certain point 50 00:02:06,285 --> 00:02:08,836 Where it wasn't fun anymore. 51 00:02:08,871 --> 00:02:10,979 Sondra: This process was very painful, 52 00:02:11,056 --> 00:02:16,093 But I should be able to tell my story as I lived it. 53 00:02:24,536 --> 00:02:29,072 ♪♪ 54 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:31,649 Guerero: Mia st. John entered the boxing arena 55 00:02:31,651 --> 00:02:34,068 When she was almost 30 years old 56 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:35,696 And quickly gained national attention 57 00:02:35,731 --> 00:02:40,825 For her pink shorts in the ring and uncommon sex appeal. 58 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,937 Announcer: Ladies and gentlemen, here is the knockout-- 59 00:02:44,014 --> 00:02:46,156 Mia st. John! 60 00:02:46,191 --> 00:02:47,765 Commentator: There is st. John, pulling the punches 61 00:02:47,843 --> 00:02:48,909 Together in bunches. 62 00:02:48,985 --> 00:02:51,611 Mia pounding a right hand to kelley downey. 63 00:02:51,689 --> 00:02:53,655 Announcer #2: Mia st. John! 64 00:02:53,732 --> 00:02:55,432 [crowd cheering] 65 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:58,218 Guerrero: Her sex appeal was widely used by promoters, 66 00:02:58,253 --> 00:03:00,845 But when mia chose to pose for "playboy," 67 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:04,541 The reaction from the boxing community was harsh. 68 00:03:04,543 --> 00:03:06,918 Commentator: I wonder if this is one step ahead 69 00:03:06,996 --> 00:03:10,130 For women's boxing or two steps to the rear. 70 00:03:10,206 --> 00:03:13,767 ♪♪ 71 00:03:13,843 --> 00:03:16,261 So, we have sat across from each other 72 00:03:16,338 --> 00:03:18,155 Many, many, many, many times 73 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:20,023 Over the last several years 'cause we're friends. 74 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:21,691 Mia: Mm-hmm, yeah. 75 00:03:21,768 --> 00:03:23,010 So, I'm really excited because 76 00:03:23,045 --> 00:03:24,686 I have so many questions to ask you 77 00:03:24,763 --> 00:03:26,914 That I don't think I've ever asked you before, 78 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:28,432 Friend to friend. 79 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:30,667 So, I'm gonna jump right in. 80 00:03:30,702 --> 00:03:33,503 You were a superstar boxer. 81 00:03:33,538 --> 00:03:36,815 -You already had a high profile. -Right. 82 00:03:36,892 --> 00:03:38,926 Why did you choose to pose for "playboy"? 83 00:03:38,961 --> 00:03:42,470 "playboy" was just something that, um, 84 00:03:42,472 --> 00:03:45,799 Brought in more exposure, no pun intended, 85 00:03:45,951 --> 00:03:51,471 But more, you know, brought me to a greater audience. 86 00:03:51,548 --> 00:03:52,889 -You're on the cover of... -[laughter] 87 00:03:52,966 --> 00:03:54,524 -Yeah. -..."playboy" magazine. 88 00:03:54,559 --> 00:03:56,242 Yeah, that's--that's the theme, but, you know, I noticed-- 89 00:03:56,277 --> 00:03:57,627 I don't know many fighters that have 90 00:03:57,662 --> 00:03:59,238 Their hands like that, apparently. 91 00:03:59,314 --> 00:04:01,882 Is that just to protect the... Kind of a strategic... 92 00:04:01,917 --> 00:04:03,641 Yeah, no, that's typical. [laughs] 93 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:07,078 You actually didn't start out as a boxer. 94 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,990 You practiced taekwondo, correct? 95 00:04:10,066 --> 00:04:13,676 Right. I started in taekwondo when I was 6. 96 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:16,170 I-I always wanted to be a boxer, but at the time, 97 00:04:16,172 --> 00:04:19,257 Women weren't really going pro in boxing. 98 00:04:19,259 --> 00:04:21,017 Then I started seeing christy martin 99 00:04:21,019 --> 00:04:25,430 Fight on the tyson cards, and I said, oh, I wanna fight her. 100 00:04:25,432 --> 00:04:26,990 I wanna turn pro in boxing. 101 00:04:27,025 --> 00:04:32,061 So, don king made me an offer, and I turned to pro in boxing. 102 00:04:32,063 --> 00:04:33,563 ♪♪ 103 00:04:33,598 --> 00:04:38,351 Your very first nickname in boxing was "the knockout." 104 00:04:38,428 --> 00:04:40,353 -"the knockout." -why? 105 00:04:40,430 --> 00:04:42,939 It was a name my trainer came up with 106 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:45,492 Because when he first saw me, when he first met me, 107 00:04:45,527 --> 00:04:47,935 He said, "oh, my god, you're a knockout." 108 00:04:48,013 --> 00:04:52,298 And in my first fight, I knocked the girl out in 54 seconds. 109 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:55,535 So, my trainer felt like "the knockout" was appropriate 110 00:04:55,612 --> 00:04:58,338 With, you know, a double meaning. 111 00:04:58,373 --> 00:05:01,466 We're gonna start you off this evening with the super bowl 112 00:05:01,468 --> 00:05:04,210 Of women's boxing, victoria's secret style, 113 00:05:04,287 --> 00:05:06,971 As mia "the knockout" st. John 114 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:09,366 Tries to protect her unbeaten record. 115 00:05:09,401 --> 00:05:13,127 There was a lot of criticism at the weigh-ins 116 00:05:13,205 --> 00:05:16,356 'cause, you know, I always came out in my pink bikini 117 00:05:16,391 --> 00:05:19,776 To weigh in and my makeup on. 118 00:05:19,886 --> 00:05:21,219 My hair, you know, I mean, 119 00:05:21,221 --> 00:05:23,313 The weigh-ins were a show in itself, 120 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:27,592 And I definitely got a lot of criticism for that. 121 00:05:27,669 --> 00:05:32,222 Who first said to you, "mia, this is a good idea. 122 00:05:32,257 --> 00:05:33,907 I think you should pose for 'playboy'"? 123 00:05:33,983 --> 00:05:37,911 It was my manager at the time, bob arum, 124 00:05:37,987 --> 00:05:40,564 And he came to me with the offer. 125 00:05:40,599 --> 00:05:44,592 I-I was all for it because I was a businesswoman, too. 126 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:46,352 When I posed for "playboy," 127 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:50,673 I was making more than what I got in just one fight. 128 00:05:50,708 --> 00:05:53,393 So, it was a strategic opportunity 129 00:05:53,428 --> 00:05:55,670 For you that you took? 130 00:05:55,747 --> 00:05:57,230 Yes. 131 00:05:57,265 --> 00:06:02,402 What was the process like shooting for "playboy"? 132 00:06:02,437 --> 00:06:05,363 I got to choose how I posed, 133 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:07,532 What I showed, what I didn't show. 134 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:09,959 What did you decide to show and not show? 135 00:06:09,961 --> 00:06:13,914 So I did frontal, but I made sure that my legs were always, 136 00:06:13,949 --> 00:06:16,633 Like, at an angle, you know, 137 00:06:16,668 --> 00:06:19,002 And, you know, I got photo approval, 138 00:06:19,037 --> 00:06:24,925 So I was able to really control how I was portrayed. 139 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,146 What was the backlash 140 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:34,451 From the boxing community once you posed for "playboy"? 141 00:06:34,486 --> 00:06:37,804 The backlash was huge. Huge. 142 00:06:37,881 --> 00:06:41,458 ♪♪ 143 00:06:41,493 --> 00:06:45,979 I probably became the world's most hated fighter... 144 00:06:46,055 --> 00:06:49,832 [laughs] not--not by the public, 145 00:06:49,909 --> 00:06:51,618 But by just the boxing community. 146 00:06:51,653 --> 00:06:55,246 Like, all of a sudden, I was a horrible boxer. 147 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:59,751 I wasn't very good. Um, I didn't take it seriously. 148 00:06:59,828 --> 00:07:03,964 They made it sound as though I was this terrible boxer 149 00:07:03,999 --> 00:07:07,850 That just, uh, made it to fame because of my looks. 150 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:09,760 Commentator: Bob arum, the promoter, 151 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:11,638 Says the drama of her fights is 152 00:07:11,673 --> 00:07:14,141 Whether she's gonna get hit in her pretty face. 153 00:07:14,176 --> 00:07:16,693 There's been a lot of drama so far, then. 154 00:07:16,695 --> 00:07:18,452 [laughter] 155 00:07:18,454 --> 00:07:21,422 All the female fighters disliked me and thought-- 156 00:07:21,500 --> 00:07:23,925 -Were they jealous? -I think they were, 157 00:07:24,002 --> 00:07:26,536 Because later, I found out from "playboy," 158 00:07:26,613 --> 00:07:28,405 While they criticized me, 159 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,124 They were submitting their photo. 160 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,677 Wait a minute. Some of the same female boxers 161 00:07:33,712 --> 00:07:37,772 That criticized you for posing submitted their pictures. 162 00:07:37,849 --> 00:07:39,382 Their photos, yes. Yes. 163 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:41,142 They just weren't picked. 164 00:07:41,144 --> 00:07:44,704 Exactly. But yeah, the backlash was--was brutal. 165 00:07:44,781 --> 00:07:49,375 You know, so I felt like I had to go above and beyond 166 00:07:49,452 --> 00:07:50,844 To prove myself. 167 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:54,380 I had to fight the number one fighters. 168 00:07:54,457 --> 00:07:56,307 I had to fight the best of the best 169 00:07:56,309 --> 00:08:01,387 Because I had to prove myself more than any other fighter. 170 00:08:01,464 --> 00:08:04,191 I always said that I wanted to be 171 00:08:04,193 --> 00:08:08,244 A top-ranked fighter who posed for "playboy," 172 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:13,066 Not a "playboy" model who fought for top rank. 173 00:08:13,142 --> 00:08:16,720 You're constantly facing, um... 174 00:08:16,755 --> 00:08:20,757 I don't--I don't know if I wanna say sexual harassment, 175 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:24,260 But you're constantly being hit on 176 00:08:24,295 --> 00:08:27,046 By the managers, the trainers. 177 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:28,631 That's called sexual harassment. 178 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,400 Okay. [laughs] 179 00:08:30,435 --> 00:08:32,101 If your manager's hitting on you, 180 00:08:32,178 --> 00:08:33,603 If a trainer is hitting on you, 181 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:37,698 If the expectation at a promotion or an event... 182 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:39,025 -Yes. -...Is that you date somebody 183 00:08:39,102 --> 00:08:41,411 Or sleep with somebody... -Oh, always. 184 00:08:41,413 --> 00:08:44,338 As a woman, you're always faced with that. 185 00:08:44,416 --> 00:08:46,173 Was this before or after 186 00:08:46,251 --> 00:08:47,858 You were on the cover of "playboy"? 187 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:50,837 It was around the same time. It was the late '90s. 188 00:08:50,947 --> 00:08:53,990 There were, um... 189 00:08:54,025 --> 00:09:00,288 There were...Incidents that... Happened that could have 190 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:05,602 Literally destroyed my entire career. 191 00:09:05,637 --> 00:09:08,037 -Yeah. -What happened? 192 00:09:08,072 --> 00:09:13,927 There--there was, uh, a time when we trained in big bear. 193 00:09:13,962 --> 00:09:15,978 ♪♪ 194 00:09:16,055 --> 00:09:18,889 You're just with your camp, which is all men, 195 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:22,877 And you're taken to a place that's very remote. 196 00:09:22,954 --> 00:09:27,323 You're by yourself, and the men are taken away 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,459 From their wives, their girlfriends, 198 00:09:29,494 --> 00:09:31,828 And we're there for months at a time. 199 00:09:31,904 --> 00:09:36,165 And at times, you do feel like you're-- 200 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:42,171 You're faced in that position, like, to...To sleep with them, 201 00:09:42,248 --> 00:09:47,327 And, um, me being the only female in camp... 202 00:09:47,403 --> 00:09:50,130 Did anybody ever physically assault you? 203 00:09:50,165 --> 00:09:55,318 I was not physically assaulted. Um... 204 00:09:55,353 --> 00:10:01,975 I...Did end up feeling like I had to give in to it. 205 00:10:04,329 --> 00:10:07,680 Did somebody rape you at camp? 206 00:10:07,757 --> 00:10:13,778 ♪♪ 207 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:24,389 I...Did end up feeling like 208 00:10:24,466 --> 00:10:28,268 You know, like I had to give in to it. 209 00:10:28,303 --> 00:10:30,887 ♪♪ 210 00:10:30,963 --> 00:10:35,258 Did somebody rape you at camp? 211 00:10:36,211 --> 00:10:39,545 I don't wanna say rape, um... Because I, 212 00:10:39,622 --> 00:10:43,808 You know, I was a grown woman, and I knew what I was doing. 213 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:45,568 Were you coerced into sex? 214 00:10:45,645 --> 00:10:51,858 I was. And--and as a result, I became pregnant. 215 00:10:53,061 --> 00:10:55,545 Yeah. 216 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:58,139 [voice breaking] you never told me that. 217 00:10:58,216 --> 00:11:02,402 Yeah, I never told anyone. 218 00:11:02,554 --> 00:11:05,479 Did that person know that you got pregnant? 219 00:11:05,557 --> 00:11:07,498 Yes. Yeah. 220 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,817 Did the whole camp know you got pregnant? 221 00:11:09,895 --> 00:11:11,244 Yes. Eventually, yes. 222 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,712 -Everybody knew? -Yeah. 223 00:11:12,747 --> 00:11:16,265 -And your manager? -Yes. 224 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:20,010 What did they say when you told them, "I'm pregnant now"? 225 00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:23,089 "we'll arrange an abortion." 226 00:11:23,166 --> 00:11:25,182 Did you wanna keep the child? 227 00:11:25,184 --> 00:11:26,592 No. 228 00:11:26,669 --> 00:11:28,428 First of all, 229 00:11:28,504 --> 00:11:31,005 Um... 230 00:11:31,082 --> 00:11:32,565 It was with another fighter, 231 00:11:32,567 --> 00:11:35,935 And these fighters are very high profile, 232 00:11:36,012 --> 00:11:38,287 And... 233 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:43,426 And this happens all the time with high-profile athletes. 234 00:11:43,461 --> 00:11:49,373 And it's--it's amazing that they're not shamed. 235 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:52,877 -Did you feel shamed? -I was definitely shamed. 236 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,688 Oh, yes. Yes. 237 00:11:55,723 --> 00:11:59,033 You get pregnant. The entire camp knows it. 238 00:11:59,110 --> 00:12:02,219 Shames me, but not him. 239 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:05,098 Yeah, 'cause it's expected of him. 240 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:08,351 He's a male athlete. He's a superstar. 241 00:12:08,386 --> 00:12:10,561 Like, he can do whatever he wants, you know, 242 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:14,958 And sleeping with women is not a big deal. 243 00:12:14,993 --> 00:12:19,462 But if you're the woman, like, oh, my god, like... 244 00:12:19,497 --> 00:12:22,131 Yeah, I was definitely shamed. 245 00:12:22,166 --> 00:12:23,800 It was in the height of my career. 246 00:12:23,835 --> 00:12:27,336 -So, you were already a star? -Yeah. 247 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:29,155 -And this happened to you... -Yeah. 248 00:12:29,232 --> 00:12:30,957 ...Even with all of your power... 249 00:12:30,992 --> 00:12:32,658 -Yeah. -...In the sport of boxing. 250 00:12:32,735 --> 00:12:35,745 ♪♪ 251 00:12:35,822 --> 00:12:39,840 Honestly, I just cringe when I think about it. Um... 252 00:12:39,842 --> 00:12:44,821 It's just that I gave in to that pressure, 253 00:12:44,856 --> 00:12:47,782 But I didn't have time to process it. 254 00:12:47,859 --> 00:12:52,771 You put your big girl panties on and you just keep going forward. 255 00:12:58,444 --> 00:13:03,039 Well, now I go, wow, I was so young. [laughs] 256 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:04,774 ♪♪ 257 00:13:04,809 --> 00:13:06,943 But yeah, you know, I'm very proud of it. 258 00:13:07,019 --> 00:13:09,929 You know, I still do autograph signings for the "playboy"-- 259 00:13:09,964 --> 00:13:11,915 So it's still making me money. 260 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:17,337 And eventually I did gain respect late in my career. 261 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,360 ♪♪ 262 00:13:24,395 --> 00:13:25,895 Andrea mann knows all too well 263 00:13:25,972 --> 00:13:29,398 About the exploitation of female athletes. 264 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:33,102 As a former nfl cheerleader, she has seen it all. 265 00:13:33,179 --> 00:13:36,155 I was good at learning the routines. I love to dance. 266 00:13:36,232 --> 00:13:38,157 That's always been something that I've been good at. 267 00:13:38,234 --> 00:13:41,827 I'm very, very flexible. I'm still very flexible. 268 00:13:41,862 --> 00:13:43,980 You know, I don't have any trouble with the flexibility. 269 00:13:44,015 --> 00:13:45,882 Flexibility is my thing, 270 00:13:45,917 --> 00:13:48,234 So if that's what you like, there you go. 271 00:13:48,311 --> 00:13:51,837 Andrea was a cheerleader for the baltimore colts 272 00:13:51,872 --> 00:13:55,065 In the late 1970s, a time when the nfl 273 00:13:55,143 --> 00:13:58,761 Was transitioning from sweaters to midriffs. 274 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:01,714 So, when "playboy" was invited by the team 275 00:14:01,749 --> 00:14:04,717 To take photos of the women, she was surprised 276 00:14:04,752 --> 00:14:09,889 That she was singled out to pose nude for the magazine. 277 00:14:09,999 --> 00:14:13,350 First of all, we are part of the same sisterhood. 278 00:14:13,352 --> 00:14:16,012 I was a rams cheerleader in the '80s. 279 00:14:16,088 --> 00:14:20,032 You were a colts cheerleader in the '70s. 280 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:22,919 In the 70s, for a team that doesn't even exist anymore. 281 00:14:22,954 --> 00:14:24,528 -That's right. They moved. -They moved. 282 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:25,905 -Those traitors. -[laughs] 283 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:29,592 Tell me about your experience when you were first 284 00:14:29,627 --> 00:14:33,429 Absorbed into the colts cheerleading organization. 285 00:14:33,464 --> 00:14:36,123 ♪♪ 286 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:37,433 The way you joined was 287 00:14:37,468 --> 00:14:38,951 You found out where they practiced, 288 00:14:39,028 --> 00:14:41,362 You went there and they said, "okay, come on down." 289 00:14:41,439 --> 00:14:42,788 That's a little bit different than it is today. 290 00:14:42,865 --> 00:14:44,457 It's a little different than it is today. 291 00:14:44,533 --> 00:14:46,951 They weren't trying to prove anything to anybody. 292 00:14:47,028 --> 00:14:49,570 This was before dallas cowboy cheerleaders 293 00:14:49,647 --> 00:14:51,072 Became a thing, 294 00:14:51,149 --> 00:14:53,557 And suddenly you had to have the best and the brightest 295 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:54,817 And the most experienced 296 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:58,312 And the biggest...Whatever. Um... 297 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:03,242 The dallas cowboy cheerleaders became a huge thing... 298 00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,219 -Yes. -...In the late '70s. 299 00:15:05,296 --> 00:15:08,581 And suddenly your uniforms changed in baltimore. 300 00:15:08,657 --> 00:15:09,999 What did they look like after 301 00:15:10,076 --> 00:15:11,667 The dallas cowboy cheerleaders became famous? 302 00:15:11,744 --> 00:15:15,838 Well, suddenly we were to wear very short shorts, 303 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:18,649 Long sleeve tops that you tied at the middle 304 00:15:18,727 --> 00:15:21,827 And nothing to cover the midriff. 305 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:24,430 I wasn't really that kind of girl. 306 00:15:24,465 --> 00:15:28,759 You know, I wasn't... Fluffy, shall we say. 307 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:31,638 I was much more demure, but I had fun with it. 308 00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:34,307 From my understanding, "playboy" reached out. 309 00:15:34,342 --> 00:15:37,693 After the dallas cowboy cheerleaders 310 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,253 Shot to fame, 311 00:15:39,330 --> 00:15:43,048 They reached out to a bunch of nfl teams and said, 312 00:15:43,126 --> 00:15:47,277 "we wanna feature some of the cheerleaders on our pages." 313 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,657 Your team, the baltimore colts, did say, 314 00:15:50,692 --> 00:15:54,718 "yeah, we would consider letting some of our cheerleaders 315 00:15:54,796 --> 00:15:56,654 Be featured in 'playboy.'" 316 00:15:56,731 --> 00:15:59,682 I went to a rehearsal one Wednesday night, 317 00:15:59,717 --> 00:16:02,852 And sam orofino, the personnel director 318 00:16:02,887 --> 00:16:04,353 For the band and the cheerleaders 319 00:16:04,388 --> 00:16:06,222 Came up to me and said, "I have some people 320 00:16:06,298 --> 00:16:08,282 I would like you to meet." he took me into a room, 321 00:16:08,359 --> 00:16:10,026 And there were two gentlemen there. 322 00:16:10,061 --> 00:16:13,403 He said, "these are 'playboy' photographers, 323 00:16:13,405 --> 00:16:16,457 And they would like you to pose for their magazine," 324 00:16:16,459 --> 00:16:18,125 And I asked him, "well, what do you want?" 325 00:16:18,203 --> 00:16:20,127 And he said, "well, you can represent the baltimore colts 326 00:16:20,205 --> 00:16:23,539 In 'playboy' magazine," and I was thrilled. 327 00:16:23,574 --> 00:16:25,583 ♪♪ 328 00:16:25,660 --> 00:16:28,360 But I was also told, "don't tell anybody." 329 00:16:28,362 --> 00:16:30,179 Oh, and maybe at the beginning, I should have thought, 330 00:16:30,256 --> 00:16:32,164 "well, what do you mean, don't tell? 331 00:16:32,199 --> 00:16:33,582 Why wouldn't I not tell anybody?" 332 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:34,900 Who told you not to tell anybody? 333 00:16:34,977 --> 00:16:36,703 Sam. Sam orofino. The same person. 334 00:16:36,738 --> 00:16:40,056 He said, "the other girls might be jealous." 335 00:16:40,058 --> 00:16:42,149 In the photo session itself, 336 00:16:42,227 --> 00:16:45,094 How much did you show of your body? 337 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:46,379 Varying degrees. 338 00:16:46,414 --> 00:16:48,264 The photo that they ended up using 339 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:50,850 Shows very little of my body. 340 00:16:50,852 --> 00:16:53,219 This issue hit the stands, 341 00:16:53,254 --> 00:16:54,703 And then a bomb went off 342 00:16:54,781 --> 00:17:02,111 In the nfl because this...Was...Shocking. 343 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:04,605 All the press-- that became a big deal. 344 00:17:04,607 --> 00:17:07,583 And honestly, once the magazine came out, 345 00:17:07,618 --> 00:17:10,028 I wasn't prepared at all because I didn't think anybody 346 00:17:10,104 --> 00:17:12,188 Was gonna make a big deal about it. 347 00:17:12,264 --> 00:17:15,241 ♪♪ 348 00:17:15,276 --> 00:17:19,078 And for some reason, people lost it. 349 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:23,883 Guerrero: When that issue hit the newsstands, 350 00:17:23,885 --> 00:17:27,670 There was a lot of chaos and a lot of publicity. 351 00:17:27,705 --> 00:17:30,289 At the end of the day, 352 00:17:30,366 --> 00:17:34,843 The women that did pose nude were all fired, and, in fact, 353 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:37,597 Two entire squads were disbanded. 354 00:17:37,632 --> 00:17:40,600 When you're a cheerleader, you are part of a team, 355 00:17:40,635 --> 00:17:43,986 But if you go off and do this one 356 00:17:43,988 --> 00:17:46,063 You know, very controversial thing, 357 00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:48,991 It does reflect on the rest of the squad. 358 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:50,860 When I went to the colts rehearsal, 359 00:17:50,895 --> 00:17:53,613 I was surrounded by other girls who were asking me, 360 00:17:53,648 --> 00:17:57,967 "what did you do? We heard about what you did," 361 00:17:58,002 --> 00:17:59,910 And I was a little confused 362 00:17:59,912 --> 00:18:03,063 'cause I wasn't sure what they meant. 363 00:18:03,141 --> 00:18:07,310 And the same sam orofino came over and said, 364 00:18:07,345 --> 00:18:09,820 You know, "oh, we understand you played--posed for 'playboy.'" 365 00:18:09,898 --> 00:18:12,215 And I said, "well, that was your idea." 366 00:18:12,324 --> 00:18:14,817 He said, "we had no understanding 367 00:18:14,852 --> 00:18:17,094 That there was any nudity involved." 368 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:20,339 Wait, your director, who submitted you 369 00:18:20,416 --> 00:18:24,760 To "playboy" magazine, is then feigning shock... 370 00:18:24,837 --> 00:18:26,086 Yes, he was-- 371 00:18:26,164 --> 00:18:27,313 ...That there was nudity involved? 372 00:18:27,348 --> 00:18:29,439 Clutching his pearls, he was so upset. 373 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:30,516 When the issue came out 374 00:18:30,593 --> 00:18:33,319 And when all of the publicity exploded, 375 00:18:33,354 --> 00:18:35,187 How were you treated-- 376 00:18:35,264 --> 00:18:39,024 You, andrea, in your hometown and within your community? 377 00:18:39,101 --> 00:18:41,952 Unfortunately, the local newspaper 378 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:44,213 Uh, did post my address, 379 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:46,866 So people showed up at the house occasionally. 380 00:18:46,942 --> 00:18:48,701 There were a couple of times when I was going to work 381 00:18:48,777 --> 00:18:50,837 That I had to go right to the police station 382 00:18:50,839 --> 00:18:52,688 And report the guy following me 383 00:18:52,723 --> 00:18:54,190 Is not somebody I want to have following me. 384 00:18:54,225 --> 00:18:56,359 Wait a minute. That's pretty serious. 385 00:18:56,394 --> 00:18:58,969 That's dangerous journalism, in my opinion. 386 00:18:58,971 --> 00:19:04,216 Do you believe that you deserved an apology from sam orofino, 387 00:19:04,293 --> 00:19:07,569 The director that submitted you in the first place to "playboy"? 388 00:19:07,646 --> 00:19:08,688 Absolutely. 389 00:19:08,723 --> 00:19:11,131 He should have explained to me what had happened. 390 00:19:11,209 --> 00:19:12,966 But to proclaim 391 00:19:13,044 --> 00:19:15,336 That they had never heard of "playboy" magazine, 392 00:19:15,413 --> 00:19:19,999 They just submitted photos of me on a whim is ridiculous. 393 00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:25,204 And it was very clear to me that I should just walk away. 394 00:19:30,169 --> 00:19:32,712 The first thing I feel is how very happy I was 395 00:19:32,747 --> 00:19:35,839 To be a part of that, to be asked to represent 396 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:38,734 The baltimore colts in "playboy" magazine. 397 00:19:38,769 --> 00:19:41,603 The second thing I think is how sad it is 398 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,513 That somewhere along the line, 399 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:46,392 The same people who asked me to pose for the magazine decided, 400 00:19:46,427 --> 00:19:49,395 "well, we don't really want you to pose for the magazine." 401 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:51,313 Or as they said, officially, 402 00:19:51,315 --> 00:19:54,283 "we didn't know there was nudity involved with 'playboy.'" 403 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,570 That was pretty shocking to me. 404 00:20:02,218 --> 00:20:05,528 Professional tennis player ashley harkleroad 405 00:20:05,637 --> 00:20:09,448 Also knows what it's like to be oversexualized. 406 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,041 Ashley harkleroad was 407 00:20:11,043 --> 00:20:13,085 Playing tennis professionally at just 14 408 00:20:13,195 --> 00:20:17,573 And was quickly known as the american anna kournikova, 409 00:20:17,608 --> 00:20:20,042 A player known for her sex appeal. 410 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,718 The pressure to both look good 411 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,030 And compete on a world stage was high. 412 00:20:24,065 --> 00:20:25,581 So, after an injury 413 00:20:25,657 --> 00:20:28,709 And a surgery had her briefly sidelined, 414 00:20:28,786 --> 00:20:31,403 Ashley thought "playboy" would be a good way 415 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,248 To get back out and reclaim her body. 416 00:20:34,325 --> 00:20:36,542 She didn't realize all that would come 417 00:20:36,577 --> 00:20:39,886 From posing for the magazine. 418 00:20:39,964 --> 00:20:43,549 At 14, you were number one in the nation, 419 00:20:43,584 --> 00:20:45,767 Playing against 18-year-olds, 420 00:20:45,845 --> 00:20:48,054 Being compared to anna kournikova. 421 00:20:48,089 --> 00:20:49,805 For a 14-year-old kid from georgia... 422 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,957 -Mm-hmm. -...To be compared 423 00:20:50,959 --> 00:20:52,625 To a sex symbol... -Yeah. 424 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:54,293 ...That has gotta put a different kind of pressure 425 00:20:54,328 --> 00:20:56,812 On you outside of performing on the court. 426 00:20:56,847 --> 00:20:58,847 -Right. -What was that like for you? 427 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:01,300 Looking back, um, I feel like 428 00:21:01,335 --> 00:21:05,203 I was definitely sexualized at a super young age. 429 00:21:05,281 --> 00:21:07,022 Commentator: There's a lot of buzz in the locker room 430 00:21:07,057 --> 00:21:08,949 When the draw came out as this being 431 00:21:09,059 --> 00:21:11,510 The most attractive first round matchup. 432 00:21:11,587 --> 00:21:13,496 ♪♪ 433 00:21:13,531 --> 00:21:15,531 Who was looking out for you? Who was on those sets, 434 00:21:15,566 --> 00:21:18,517 Making sure that you weren't overly sexualized? 435 00:21:18,594 --> 00:21:21,003 I wanna say my agent 436 00:21:21,038 --> 00:21:24,097 Because I traveled alone or with a coach 437 00:21:24,175 --> 00:21:25,874 Because we couldn't quite afford to, like, 438 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,994 Have my parents travel with me. 439 00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:30,879 My mom was a schoolteacher, so she was working. 440 00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:33,290 Did you feel like you had to support your family... 441 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:34,608 -For sure. -...At 14 years old? 442 00:21:34,685 --> 00:21:35,868 -Yeah. -Okay. 443 00:21:35,944 --> 00:21:37,536 -Mm-hmm. -At 15, you're signed by nike. 444 00:21:37,613 --> 00:21:38,837 Mm-hmm. 445 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:42,057 And immediately they start putting you 446 00:21:42,134 --> 00:21:43,592 In, uh, tennis outfits... 447 00:21:43,594 --> 00:21:45,794 -Mm-hmm. -...That were really revealing. 448 00:21:45,829 --> 00:21:49,849 I played the u.S. Open for the first time when I was 15. 449 00:21:49,884 --> 00:21:52,976 I, um, went to the nike suite 450 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:56,055 And was trying to figure out exactly what I was gonna wear. 451 00:21:56,131 --> 00:21:59,258 But little did I know, when I played tennis, 452 00:21:59,334 --> 00:22:02,469 Like, the shorts, they kinda would ride up on me. 453 00:22:02,547 --> 00:22:04,413 So, when I tried it on in the nike suite, 454 00:22:04,490 --> 00:22:07,633 I wasn't playing in it, so I wasn't quite prepared for it 455 00:22:07,668 --> 00:22:09,718 To, like, ride up as it did. 456 00:22:09,753 --> 00:22:13,855 Anyway, I ended up doing really well, but the next day, 457 00:22:13,933 --> 00:22:16,825 All over, like, the front page of the newspapers, 458 00:22:16,902 --> 00:22:20,987 It wasn't about how I played tennis or my match necessarily. 459 00:22:21,065 --> 00:22:23,615 It was about my outfit. 460 00:22:23,617 --> 00:22:27,969 The one photo that I saw of my ass, I mean, 461 00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:30,672 I was like, that is ugly. 462 00:22:30,707 --> 00:22:34,226 And so that's kind of when I started to spiral. 463 00:22:34,261 --> 00:22:36,586 ♪♪ 464 00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:40,023 Again, you were a child. 465 00:22:40,025 --> 00:22:44,453 Do you remember a time when you just said to yourself, 466 00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:46,196 "I can't do this anymore. I can't..." 467 00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:49,124 -Yeah. -"I can't be a sex symbol, 468 00:22:49,201 --> 00:22:50,367 Be a tennis player, 469 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,094 Be the breadwinner for my family"? 470 00:22:52,129 --> 00:22:54,630 It just got to the point where I used to play tennis for fun, 471 00:22:54,706 --> 00:22:57,466 And I enjoyed winning, but now I'm, like, 472 00:22:57,543 --> 00:23:00,603 So concerned about how I look in outfits, 473 00:23:00,638 --> 00:23:03,138 And I'm so concerned about my image. 474 00:23:03,140 --> 00:23:07,951 That was just the beginning of what started, honestly, 475 00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:10,704 Some health problems because 476 00:23:10,781 --> 00:23:13,115 I developed an eating disorder after that 477 00:23:13,150 --> 00:23:16,552 Because I felt like I looked fat in these photos, 478 00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:19,321 So the expectations were too high. 479 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:22,899 And I--like I said, I felt even in the sport, 480 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:26,378 I became, like, I was so good as a junior, 481 00:23:26,413 --> 00:23:28,305 And I was so good really young, 482 00:23:28,382 --> 00:23:34,077 And I just slowly felt like I was slipping away. 483 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,731 My contract was up with nike, my contract was up with caa, 484 00:23:37,808 --> 00:23:41,493 And I signed with a different agency because moving forward, 485 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:44,254 I said, if I'm gonna play this sport, 486 00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:46,832 I'm going to play it, you know, for me. 487 00:23:46,909 --> 00:23:48,300 It's gonna be on my terms. 488 00:23:48,335 --> 00:23:51,820 And I just--I sort of just changed my team. 489 00:23:51,855 --> 00:23:53,489 And that was kind of the beginning 490 00:23:53,524 --> 00:23:57,643 Of sort of a new life that I developed in tennis again. 491 00:23:57,678 --> 00:24:00,846 You made the very controversial decision... 492 00:24:00,998 --> 00:24:02,831 -Yeah. -...To pose for "playboy." 493 00:24:02,866 --> 00:24:05,208 -Yeah. -Why did you do that? 494 00:24:05,286 --> 00:24:08,361 Well, I was 22 years old when I posed for "playboy." 495 00:24:08,363 --> 00:24:11,773 I really felt like I had to do it back then 496 00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:13,993 Because I thought, you know what? 497 00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:16,937 If I do this, if I pose for "playboy," 498 00:24:16,939 --> 00:24:20,616 This will be my decision to actually say yes. 499 00:24:20,692 --> 00:24:23,944 I want to commodify off my body now. 500 00:24:24,021 --> 00:24:25,671 Like, it was empowering. 501 00:24:25,706 --> 00:24:28,857 So beforehand, did you negotiate with "playboy" 502 00:24:28,892 --> 00:24:30,375 About what kinds of pictures 503 00:24:30,452 --> 00:24:32,728 You were going to allow them to take of you? 504 00:24:32,804 --> 00:24:35,347 I remember sitting there with my agent being like, 505 00:24:35,382 --> 00:24:39,368 Oh, my, god, this is so amazing. This is such an iconic magazine. 506 00:24:39,403 --> 00:24:42,037 But it'll just be, like, my boobs, right? 507 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,405 Like booty shots. 508 00:24:43,482 --> 00:24:46,208 And, you know, we just kind of trusted the process, 509 00:24:46,243 --> 00:24:48,318 And we were like, great, it's a go. 510 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,245 -So, the photo shoot begins. -Mm-hmm. 511 00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:52,080 And did you feel good at the beginning 512 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:54,491 About how they were photographing you? 513 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,142 I think the first scene was on a tennis court, 514 00:24:56,220 --> 00:24:57,661 And they were like, 515 00:24:57,663 --> 00:25:00,472 "okay, move your body here and turn your head there." 516 00:25:00,507 --> 00:25:01,874 And my boyfriend was there, 517 00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:04,259 And then my boyfriend got a call, 518 00:25:04,336 --> 00:25:05,728 So he stepped away. 519 00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:10,733 And then they moved me onto, um, like, the umpire chair, 520 00:25:10,768 --> 00:25:12,417 And the umpire chair has a ladder. 521 00:25:12,494 --> 00:25:15,237 And they were like, "okay, like, kind of pull your skirt up 522 00:25:15,272 --> 00:25:17,847 And lift it up and let it fly 523 00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:19,925 Like the wind is taking your skirt up," you know? 524 00:25:20,002 --> 00:25:24,230 And I was kind of like, "but I'm not really showing that--" 525 00:25:24,265 --> 00:25:27,023 Because you didn't wanna show full frontal nudity. 526 00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:28,675 I didn't, no. I was just-- 527 00:25:28,786 --> 00:25:31,194 The energy I was feeling around me was like, 528 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:35,407 "if you're not gonna do this, I guess it's a no-go." 529 00:25:35,442 --> 00:25:38,351 It was kind of like, this is the way it is. 530 00:25:38,429 --> 00:25:40,020 And I wanted to get paid, 531 00:25:40,097 --> 00:25:44,416 And I had bills to pay, and I had a family to take care of. 532 00:25:44,451 --> 00:25:46,618 And I just--I kinda had to make that decision 533 00:25:46,695 --> 00:25:48,287 Right there in that moment 534 00:25:48,363 --> 00:25:50,213 Whether I was gonna move forward or not. 535 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:52,641 And I don't think it would have happened 536 00:25:52,718 --> 00:25:55,928 If I didn't lift up my skirt. 537 00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:02,167 When I felt like I wasn't 538 00:26:02,244 --> 00:26:05,971 Supposed to show anything from the waist down, 539 00:26:06,048 --> 00:26:09,808 And they told me, in fact, that is not the case, 540 00:26:09,885 --> 00:26:11,944 And I had to make a decision right then and there 541 00:26:11,979 --> 00:26:14,554 Whether I was gonna continue on with the shoot, 542 00:26:14,632 --> 00:26:16,164 I just felt scared. 543 00:26:16,241 --> 00:26:18,166 ♪♪ 544 00:26:18,168 --> 00:26:21,169 I'm naturally just a "yes" girl, 545 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:24,573 And, um, I definitely felt like 546 00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:29,061 I don't wanna let everyone down that's here at the shoot. 547 00:26:29,096 --> 00:26:33,732 And, you know, I just wish I would have been more... 548 00:26:33,767 --> 00:26:37,836 Assertive and been like, "these are my boundaries, 549 00:26:37,913 --> 00:26:41,056 And this is what I'm willing to do." 550 00:26:42,509 --> 00:26:44,417 But I wasn't. 551 00:26:44,495 --> 00:26:47,763 When--when he asked me to pull my skirt up, you know, 552 00:26:47,798 --> 00:26:49,339 And I was kind of like, "what?" 553 00:26:49,417 --> 00:26:51,016 He was kind of like, "what? What's the problem? 554 00:26:51,093 --> 00:26:53,426 You know, you're doing, 'playboy'," you know? 555 00:26:53,504 --> 00:26:55,020 And I was kind of like, "hold on." 556 00:26:55,097 --> 00:26:57,038 My boyfriend came back and said, 557 00:26:57,115 --> 00:27:00,450 "it's actually not in the contract 558 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:02,602 That you're not supposed to show waist down, 559 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,380 And basically at this point, you can decide 560 00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:07,624 Whether or not you wanna move on." 561 00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:09,351 -So, you had an agent. -Mm-hmm. 562 00:27:09,386 --> 00:27:10,869 -You had a manager. -Mm-hmm. 563 00:27:10,946 --> 00:27:12,554 You had a coach. You had parents. 564 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:14,373 -You had a boyfriend. Did-- -sometimes I think about it, 565 00:27:14,449 --> 00:27:17,951 And I'm just like, apparently no one read the fine print. 566 00:27:18,028 --> 00:27:20,896 We were--'cause it all happened so quickly. 567 00:27:20,972 --> 00:27:22,364 When they approached me to do "playboy," 568 00:27:22,399 --> 00:27:24,624 Within three weeks, I was shooting it. 569 00:27:24,702 --> 00:27:28,403 My heart goes out to you, ashley, because I feel like 570 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:35,802 You weren't allowed to have direction over your own life. 571 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,138 My boyfriend said, "what do you want to do? 572 00:27:38,215 --> 00:27:39,823 I support you no matter. 573 00:27:39,825 --> 00:27:42,034 We can walk off this set right now." 574 00:27:42,069 --> 00:27:46,980 And I was basically, at that point, hair and makeup. 575 00:27:47,057 --> 00:27:48,407 I'd already, you know, 576 00:27:48,442 --> 00:27:51,543 The skirt had already flew up a few times, 577 00:27:51,578 --> 00:27:53,562 And I just thought to myself, 578 00:27:53,597 --> 00:27:56,548 With the amount of money that we settled on, 579 00:27:56,583 --> 00:27:58,491 It would have taken me eight months to a year 580 00:27:58,569 --> 00:27:59,826 To make that. 581 00:27:59,904 --> 00:28:02,929 And you make really good money playing tennis, 582 00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:05,690 And, um, I could make that money in three days. 583 00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:07,493 -Posing for "playboy." -yeah. 584 00:28:07,528 --> 00:28:10,503 And I just thought to myself... [sighs] 585 00:28:10,581 --> 00:28:13,649 I'm not gonna let this opportunity pass. 586 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:18,253 I'm just gonna have to, like, grow some balls, 587 00:28:18,288 --> 00:28:20,422 Man up, and I wanna get paid. 588 00:28:20,457 --> 00:28:22,607 And again, you're coming from this, 589 00:28:22,684 --> 00:28:24,701 It sounds like, from a business perspective. 590 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:27,629 For sure, but, you know, I cried a little bit 591 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:31,433 Because I grew up in a religious background. 592 00:28:31,468 --> 00:28:33,376 ♪♪ 593 00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:37,973 My grandfather was a preacher of the church of christ, 594 00:28:38,049 --> 00:28:41,860 And I was definitely, like, running around as a little girl, 595 00:28:41,895 --> 00:28:43,553 Like, worried to say a cuss word 596 00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,314 'cause I was afraid I was gonna get, like, struck by lightning. 597 00:28:46,391 --> 00:28:48,817 So, I always kind of was checking myself 598 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:51,653 And making sure I was living the right way. 599 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:56,108 But when I decided to pose for "playboy," 600 00:28:56,143 --> 00:29:01,070 It was always in the back of my mind, like, if I do this, 601 00:29:01,072 --> 00:29:02,998 You know, am I gonna go to heaven 602 00:29:03,074 --> 00:29:05,074 Or am I gonna go to hell? 603 00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:09,838 And, um, obviously, like, when I was shooting 604 00:29:09,915 --> 00:29:13,809 And they asked me to show my vagina, 605 00:29:13,844 --> 00:29:16,736 At that point...I just gave in 606 00:29:16,814 --> 00:29:19,481 And knew that I was probably gonna go to hell. 607 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:23,117 ♪♪ 608 00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:25,970 -So, you shoot the magazine. -Mm-hmm. 609 00:29:26,048 --> 00:29:27,856 The issue comes out. 610 00:29:27,933 --> 00:29:29,599 -That became top of news. -Mm-hmm. 611 00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:32,268 The fact that you were nude in "playboy." 612 00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:33,528 -Yeah. -And you did receive 613 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,088 Some backlash. -Yeah. 614 00:29:35,165 --> 00:29:38,317 Ashley harkleroad makes news in her birthday suit. 615 00:29:38,352 --> 00:29:41,195 The 72nd ranked player on the wta tour 616 00:29:41,271 --> 00:29:43,338 Is the first professional tennis player 617 00:29:43,373 --> 00:29:46,933 To appear nude in the magazine. 618 00:29:47,011 --> 00:29:49,127 What was the backlash like for you? 619 00:29:49,162 --> 00:29:52,347 The press went around, like, my small, little town 620 00:29:52,382 --> 00:29:54,123 And was interviewing people 621 00:29:54,125 --> 00:29:57,277 About my decision to pose for playboy. 622 00:29:57,354 --> 00:29:59,462 Some people were supportive, and some people were, 623 00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:01,523 You know, they're very, like, god-fearing people. 624 00:30:01,558 --> 00:30:03,558 -The bible belt. -The bible belt, right. 625 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:05,277 Well, you've probably seen or heard 626 00:30:05,312 --> 00:30:06,545 That a tennessee valley native 627 00:30:06,621 --> 00:30:08,363 Graces the cover of "playboy's" August issue. 628 00:30:08,398 --> 00:30:09,731 Here in the bible belt, 629 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:11,307 You could expect that to cause quite a stir. 630 00:30:11,309 --> 00:30:12,901 You know, a lot of people look down on it. 631 00:30:12,903 --> 00:30:15,521 To me, it's whatever, you know, to each their own. 632 00:30:15,556 --> 00:30:17,572 It's okay for somebody else, but not for your baby. 633 00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:20,709 No, no, it's not for anybody in my eyes. 634 00:30:20,744 --> 00:30:22,544 Eventually, they'll get to the point 635 00:30:22,579 --> 00:30:25,246 To where they'll regret that they done this. 636 00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:33,755 ♪♪ 637 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:35,815 Can you describe how that felt? 638 00:30:35,893 --> 00:30:38,151 I have thick skin for sure, 639 00:30:38,228 --> 00:30:43,006 So I--I'm very good at ignoring the haters 640 00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:46,902 And, uh, you know, just putting one foot in front of the other 641 00:30:46,937 --> 00:30:48,494 And thinking about the positive. 642 00:30:48,496 --> 00:30:51,514 I learned that, like, through therapy, basically. 643 00:30:51,516 --> 00:30:52,941 -Once you had a daughter... -Mm-hmm. 644 00:30:52,943 --> 00:30:55,060 ...I understand that there was some negativity 645 00:30:55,095 --> 00:30:56,945 That came back up again. 646 00:30:56,947 --> 00:30:59,114 -What happened? -Well, you know, 647 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,191 Because of social media, and I'm so accessible, 648 00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:04,177 And people can write me messages, 649 00:31:04,254 --> 00:31:06,446 I got some dm saying, 650 00:31:06,448 --> 00:31:10,158 "your daughter is gonna be a slut just like you," 651 00:31:10,193 --> 00:31:14,763 You know, stuff like that, that people will say, and... 652 00:31:14,798 --> 00:31:16,415 -That must have been painful. -Yeah. 653 00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:20,635 There's nothing that you can say to hurt me. 654 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:22,421 Like, keep it coming, you know? 655 00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:25,807 Like, I've just developed thick skin. 656 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:27,626 ♪♪ 657 00:31:27,702 --> 00:31:30,028 I...I really haven't opened my "playboy" 658 00:31:30,063 --> 00:31:32,431 In probably five, six, seven years. 659 00:31:32,466 --> 00:31:34,466 I do like this picture. 660 00:31:34,542 --> 00:31:37,603 That's a cool, really cool photo. 661 00:31:37,605 --> 00:31:38,895 Yeah. 662 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:40,856 This particular shot I-I really don't like 663 00:31:40,891 --> 00:31:44,050 Because, again, I wasn't prepared to show 664 00:31:44,128 --> 00:31:45,994 From the waist down, 665 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:48,480 And I think you can really kind of see it in my face. 666 00:31:48,556 --> 00:31:51,057 I feel like my face is tense. 667 00:31:51,135 --> 00:31:53,785 These two photos right here, I love. 668 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:55,654 These were my two favorites. 669 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:57,122 I felt like if the whole shoot 670 00:31:57,157 --> 00:31:59,307 Would have been something more like that, 671 00:31:59,342 --> 00:32:01,843 Like, that was kind of what I was anticipating. 672 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,087 ♪♪ 673 00:32:04,164 --> 00:32:06,131 And...You know, 674 00:32:06,241 --> 00:32:09,768 Moving forward, there's probably nothing 675 00:32:09,844 --> 00:32:14,522 That I would be able to change except for if I could have, 676 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:19,427 I would have been more involved in the contract 677 00:32:19,462 --> 00:32:26,442 And what photos I was willing to share with the public 678 00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:30,855 And what photos I would have wanted to be erased. 679 00:32:30,932 --> 00:32:34,025 I wish I would have had a little more say-so. 680 00:32:34,102 --> 00:32:37,679 And I wish I wouldn't have been so scared to speak up, 681 00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,864 But I was young. 682 00:32:39,941 --> 00:32:46,004 ♪♪ 683 00:32:48,475 --> 00:32:51,784 ♪♪ 684 00:32:51,862 --> 00:32:54,379 You know, women wanna be taken seriously as athletes, 685 00:32:54,456 --> 00:32:56,731 And they wanna be able to prove themselves on the field, 686 00:32:56,808 --> 00:32:59,292 On the pitch, on the court, in the ring. 687 00:32:59,369 --> 00:33:03,671 And there is a feeling by purists that say, that's all. 688 00:33:03,749 --> 00:33:06,191 You should only be monetizing what you do... 689 00:33:06,226 --> 00:33:09,361 -Ashley: Mm-hmm. -...As an athlete in your sport. 690 00:33:09,396 --> 00:33:11,721 But that's simply not the reality or the economics 691 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,249 Of female sports. -Well, no, look at the men. 692 00:33:14,284 --> 00:33:17,076 -Mm-hmm. -All the men that are out there 693 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:24,333 Doing commercials and products and, um, movies 694 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:25,744 And, well... [scoffs] 695 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:28,263 I mean, they do it all the time. 696 00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:32,517 ♪♪ 697 00:33:32,552 --> 00:33:35,420 There are so many controversies 698 00:33:35,497 --> 00:33:39,607 With what a female athlete wears and what she doesn't wear. 699 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:41,042 ♪♪ 700 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,929 People are looking at you to see if you've gained weight, 701 00:33:45,006 --> 00:33:48,349 If you've lost weight, if you look fit, 702 00:33:48,426 --> 00:33:52,087 If you don't look fit, if that outfit looks frumpy, 703 00:33:52,122 --> 00:33:57,625 Instead of really just focusing on the task at hand, 704 00:33:57,660 --> 00:33:59,794 The game that they're playing. 705 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,430 Ashley, you saw a picture of yourself 706 00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:03,999 In a newspaper, and you were appalled... 707 00:34:04,034 --> 00:34:05,374 -Yeah. -...At the way 708 00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:07,102 You thought you looked. -Mm-hmm. 709 00:34:07,137 --> 00:34:09,955 Where was that pressure coming from in your case? 710 00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:11,623 The pressure was probably coming a little bit 711 00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:14,760 From my trainers, like, "you need to lose weight." 712 00:34:14,795 --> 00:34:17,112 I had a coach one time that actually said, 713 00:34:17,147 --> 00:34:19,472 "I see cellulite on the back of your legs. 714 00:34:19,549 --> 00:34:21,541 Like, you need to get up before school..." 715 00:34:21,543 --> 00:34:23,285 -[scoffs] -"...And go for a run." 716 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,977 How old were you when somebody told you--told you-- 717 00:34:24,979 --> 00:34:25,795 And I--15. 718 00:34:25,873 --> 00:34:27,773 Did that kind of behavior 719 00:34:27,808 --> 00:34:30,225 And that kind of attitude contribute to you 720 00:34:30,260 --> 00:34:33,111 Having an eating disorder? -Probably, for sure. 721 00:34:33,146 --> 00:34:37,823 How can I ever live up to this expectation? 722 00:34:37,825 --> 00:34:39,742 And I just always felt like 723 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:42,370 I'm never gonna be able to be as sexy. 724 00:34:42,447 --> 00:34:43,813 And that was kind of my thought process 725 00:34:43,891 --> 00:34:45,148 When I did "playboy," too. 726 00:34:45,225 --> 00:34:46,641 I mean, I just remember when I was 727 00:34:46,676 --> 00:34:48,927 Looking through "playboy" magazines, 728 00:34:48,962 --> 00:34:51,646 I was quite intimidated by, like, 729 00:34:51,681 --> 00:34:54,482 "oh, my goodness, I need to, like, step up my game here 730 00:34:54,517 --> 00:34:56,075 Before I do this photo shoot." 731 00:34:56,153 --> 00:35:00,246 Andrea, you said at one point that after posing for "playboy," 732 00:35:00,324 --> 00:35:03,141 You were the target of criticism by feminists. 733 00:35:03,176 --> 00:35:05,493 -Yes. -Why was that at the time? 734 00:35:05,528 --> 00:35:06,852 What was their argument? 735 00:35:06,854 --> 00:35:10,665 Their argument was women need to behave like women. 736 00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:15,170 Women need to aspire to bigger things rather than being naked. 737 00:35:15,205 --> 00:35:20,283 Naked just keeps men thinking that all women are available. 738 00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:24,612 The shaming, I think, is really what's most hurtful. 739 00:35:24,689 --> 00:35:28,958 A lot of people have said about "playboy" in the past, 740 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,310 That "playboy" uses women. 741 00:35:31,312 --> 00:35:33,137 I knew they were using me. 742 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:37,049 I never thought of me using "playboy" because they-- 743 00:35:37,051 --> 00:35:38,426 That just sort of landed in my lap. 744 00:35:38,461 --> 00:35:40,779 So, in my case, it was-- I knew they were gonna use 745 00:35:40,814 --> 00:35:43,264 My picture to sell some magazines. 746 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:47,218 I had no idea it was gonna become a thing. 747 00:35:47,295 --> 00:35:51,522 There's a lot of assumptions made, and I've had that-- 748 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:53,157 I'm sure you two have had that, too. 749 00:35:53,192 --> 00:35:54,559 People assume, "oh, you were in 'playboy,' 750 00:35:54,636 --> 00:35:56,411 Therefore you're this kind of person, 751 00:35:56,487 --> 00:35:59,731 Therefore you're this kind of girl, therefore you want me." 752 00:35:59,807 --> 00:36:01,833 I used to get that every now and then. 753 00:36:01,909 --> 00:36:08,540 Yeah, it's like people think because you posed in "playboy," 754 00:36:08,575 --> 00:36:11,409 That you're open to anything. 755 00:36:11,486 --> 00:36:14,670 I had kind of two different, uh, demographics. 756 00:36:14,748 --> 00:36:17,498 I had the boxing fans, I had the "playboy" fans. 757 00:36:17,533 --> 00:36:23,829 And some of the "playboy" fans were very lewd, um, 758 00:36:23,907 --> 00:36:27,183 Quite rude comments, very sexual, 759 00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:31,512 Um, outspoken, and just assumed that I was 760 00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:35,099 Wild and crazy in bed, which was the total opposite of me. 761 00:36:35,176 --> 00:36:36,751 -You know? -[laughter] 762 00:36:36,786 --> 00:36:39,571 Like, I'm the most conservative, like, person in bed. 763 00:36:39,681 --> 00:36:43,791 Do you think that "playboy" has set up 764 00:36:43,826 --> 00:36:46,127 Unrealistic standards of beauty 765 00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:50,539 For most normal women to ever achieve? 766 00:36:50,541 --> 00:36:53,051 Absolutely. To fold out the picture, 767 00:36:53,127 --> 00:36:55,027 And I don't know anyone who looks like that. 768 00:36:55,105 --> 00:36:59,107 And remember that everything is computerized now. 769 00:36:59,142 --> 00:37:03,661 Like, I was able to go in and say, 770 00:37:03,738 --> 00:37:05,705 "okay, make my calves smaller." 771 00:37:05,782 --> 00:37:07,648 They could do anything, so-- 772 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:09,034 -You said that to them? -Yes. 773 00:37:09,069 --> 00:37:10,543 Oh, I wish I would have done stuff like that. 774 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:12,812 So the end result of what you see in "playboy," 775 00:37:12,814 --> 00:37:15,774 You said, you know, not all women can look like that. 776 00:37:15,809 --> 00:37:17,742 Not even the centerfold can look like that. 777 00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:20,578 -Andrea: Right. -In mia's case, 778 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,897 She didn't get into "playboy"... -Mm-hmm. 779 00:37:22,974 --> 00:37:24,324 ...The first time she wanted to. 780 00:37:24,401 --> 00:37:28,336 Yeah, I was rejected because I was too "ethnic." 781 00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:30,913 I wasn't good enough for the magazine. 782 00:37:30,915 --> 00:37:32,657 And then when I became world champion, 783 00:37:32,734 --> 00:37:35,084 All of a sudden, "okay, now you're good enough 784 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:38,754 To be in the magazine." had nothing to do that 785 00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:40,781 All of a sudden, I became beautiful. 786 00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:44,502 I looked the same as when I was rejected, 787 00:37:44,579 --> 00:37:47,639 So I knew it was all fake bull[bleep]. 788 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,412 It's kind of amazing that people think that 789 00:37:54,414 --> 00:37:56,088 Because you've been in "playboy"... 790 00:37:56,166 --> 00:37:58,441 -Ashley: Mm-hmm. -...Number one, that they are 791 00:37:58,443 --> 00:38:01,352 Allowed to go onto your property to ask you for your autograph... 792 00:38:01,429 --> 00:38:02,945 -Mm-hmm. -...Or why they would even 793 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:04,990 Bring out the magazine in public. 794 00:38:05,025 --> 00:38:06,691 I've been to charity events, 795 00:38:06,768 --> 00:38:10,136 And people will pull out my "playboy" magazine 796 00:38:10,213 --> 00:38:11,621 To ask me to sign it. -Mm-hmm. 797 00:38:11,698 --> 00:38:13,948 ...Which is really inappropriate, in my opinion, 798 00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:15,550 In some venues. -Mm-hmm. 799 00:38:15,626 --> 00:38:17,252 How about you guys? Have you ever been made to feel 800 00:38:17,287 --> 00:38:20,538 Uncomfortable if somebody's ever pulled out a "playboy"? 801 00:38:20,615 --> 00:38:23,207 I'll probably get, like, five or--five "playboy"s 802 00:38:23,284 --> 00:38:26,845 Sent to me a week in the mail to my p.O. Box. 803 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,530 I don't have my address out there 804 00:38:28,565 --> 00:38:30,682 Because that would freak me out. -That would be bad. 805 00:38:30,717 --> 00:38:32,892 Um, but no, I've never felt like I was 806 00:38:32,894 --> 00:38:35,053 In a situation where it was inappropriate. 807 00:38:35,129 --> 00:38:38,464 Normally, it's just sent to me through the mail. 808 00:38:38,542 --> 00:38:40,408 I sign it and send it back. 809 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:43,394 Mia, in public, has anybody ever come up to you in an-- 810 00:38:43,429 --> 00:38:45,171 In an inappropriate way? -Oh, my gosh. 811 00:38:45,248 --> 00:38:48,557 Yes, all the time, like, at grocery stores or... 812 00:38:48,668 --> 00:38:50,234 Because I go to the same grocery store. 813 00:38:50,269 --> 00:38:55,815 Um, and someone showed up at my home with the "playboy." 814 00:38:55,892 --> 00:39:00,645 My favorite, though, is not long after the magazine came out, 815 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,932 The first one--I had an appointment with a gynecologist, 816 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,235 And he had a stack of them and asked me to sign them. 817 00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:11,072 Your gynecologist asked you to sign your "playboy" ma-- 818 00:39:11,107 --> 00:39:13,916 And I said to him, "I thought that was pretty weird." 819 00:39:13,994 --> 00:39:15,643 [laughs] 820 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,169 -But you know what he said? -Are you kidding me? 821 00:39:17,247 --> 00:39:19,505 He said to me, "I have a lot of patients." 822 00:39:19,583 --> 00:39:20,615 I... 823 00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:22,950 No, wait, I need-- I need a moment. 824 00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:24,952 I'm still freaked out that a doctor would have-- 825 00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:27,513 -He's-- -...That your gynecologist would 826 00:39:27,624 --> 00:39:29,240 Have your "playboy" magazine. -He's the only person 827 00:39:29,275 --> 00:39:31,959 That brought me a stack. -I would have slugged him. 828 00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:33,945 -Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. -[laughter] 829 00:39:34,021 --> 00:39:36,380 -He was very nice. -Did you get a lot of backlash 830 00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:37,915 When you did it? -Oh, honey. 831 00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:39,133 -Yeah. -Oh, yeah. 832 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:40,635 Yeah. I still do. 833 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:44,071 But again, you know, that wasn't the last line on my résumé. 834 00:39:44,106 --> 00:39:45,223 -Mm-hmm. -As I keep working 835 00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:46,815 And accomplishing more... -Mm-hmm. 836 00:39:46,817 --> 00:39:48,401 ...That kind of fades into the rear-view mirror. 837 00:39:48,478 --> 00:39:51,070 -Yeah. -I mean, I got bitched out once 838 00:39:51,072 --> 00:39:52,788 By a russian girl in the locker room 839 00:39:52,866 --> 00:39:54,232 After I did it, so... 840 00:39:54,308 --> 00:39:56,058 -Ooh. What happened? -[sighs] 841 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,269 She just was basically like, "I can't believe, like, 842 00:39:58,304 --> 00:40:00,638 You would sell yourself so short like that." 843 00:40:00,715 --> 00:40:02,290 And, um, we were in the training room, 844 00:40:02,292 --> 00:40:04,325 And I just said, "well, you're just jealous 845 00:40:04,402 --> 00:40:06,402 Because no one asked you to do it," 846 00:40:06,404 --> 00:40:07,946 And that was about it. [laughs] 847 00:40:07,981 --> 00:40:09,814 -The catfight. -Oh, wow. Okay. 848 00:40:09,891 --> 00:40:13,334 But that was--you were being honest about how you felt. 849 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:15,411 Yeah, I mean, it was true. 850 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,838 Does the fact that you posed for "playboy" 851 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:21,643 Going to forever be part of who you are? 852 00:40:21,678 --> 00:40:23,794 Is "playboy" forever? 853 00:40:23,872 --> 00:40:25,713 No, definitely not. 854 00:40:25,715 --> 00:40:29,283 I mean, now in my career, you know, I'm an author. 855 00:40:29,361 --> 00:40:33,138 I'm a mental health advocate and speaker. 856 00:40:33,173 --> 00:40:36,941 These people don't even know about "playboy." 857 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:39,035 For me, at the same time, like, 858 00:40:39,112 --> 00:40:41,529 No one can ever take that away from you as well, 859 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,347 And that's kind of how I see it, too. 860 00:40:43,424 --> 00:40:46,609 It's like, this was an iconic magazine, 861 00:40:46,611 --> 00:40:49,194 And I'm proud of it. 862 00:40:49,196 --> 00:40:52,690 It was empowering because I felt like, oh, I'm-- 863 00:40:52,767 --> 00:40:58,329 I'm here to show off, like, what an athletic body looks like 864 00:40:58,364 --> 00:41:02,717 And how it can be sexy in its own way. 865 00:41:02,793 --> 00:41:03,951 Like, I have a butt. 866 00:41:04,028 --> 00:41:06,629 I have, like, strong hamstrings and thighs, 867 00:41:06,631 --> 00:41:11,693 And so I was excited to show off a different type of body 868 00:41:11,728 --> 00:41:14,378 Than your average, you know, "playboy" model. 869 00:41:14,455 --> 00:41:16,230 ♪♪ 870 00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:18,307 But I had gotten to a point in my life 871 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:20,785 Where I was finally okay with that, you know, 872 00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:22,394 Because I had struggled with just, 873 00:41:22,472 --> 00:41:26,024 Uh, you know, body dysmorphia, basically. 874 00:41:26,059 --> 00:41:29,218 So, I had gotten to a point where I was like, 875 00:41:29,296 --> 00:41:30,811 Now I feel like a woman. 876 00:41:30,888 --> 00:41:37,868 Now I feel, you know, sexual and sensual and also powerful. 877 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:41,915 No one can ever take that away from me. 878 00:41:41,991 --> 00:41:45,676 Finally, have things changed for women in sports? 879 00:41:45,711 --> 00:41:47,879 Has society become more forgiving 880 00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:50,005 If women want to show their sexuality 881 00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:52,850 By, for example, posing in "playboy"? 882 00:41:52,927 --> 00:41:54,827 In this country, no. 883 00:41:54,904 --> 00:41:59,440 I think even today, if the female fighters decided 884 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:04,111 To pose for "playboy," that would still be a big no-no. 885 00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:05,529 Even all these years later after you do-- 886 00:42:05,531 --> 00:42:07,524 All these years later, yes. 887 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,117 I mean, for me, I feel like I got away with it 888 00:42:10,152 --> 00:42:13,362 Because my name wasn't as big as someone 889 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:16,532 Like serena williams or maria sharapova. 890 00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:18,484 So, yeah, I'm pretty sure 891 00:42:18,561 --> 00:42:20,178 There would be a lot of backlash 892 00:42:20,213 --> 00:42:23,689 If one of those girls were to do "playboy." 893 00:42:23,767 --> 00:42:25,466 And we sure know that today 894 00:42:25,543 --> 00:42:27,602 If nfl cheerleaders posed for "playboy," 895 00:42:27,637 --> 00:42:29,804 They would probably also be fired from their squad. 896 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,197 Yeah, well, I think nowadays that they actually have 897 00:42:32,275 --> 00:42:35,593 Cheerleaders sign agreements as to what they will and won't do, 898 00:42:35,628 --> 00:42:37,111 What they will and won't wear, 899 00:42:37,146 --> 00:42:38,546 Where they will and won't appear. 900 00:42:38,581 --> 00:42:39,872 So, I didn't have any of that. 901 00:42:39,949 --> 00:42:41,899 Right. Thank you for being so honest. 902 00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:44,135 It was really an incredible opportunity to-- 903 00:42:44,211 --> 00:42:46,954 To learn more about sex in sports... 904 00:42:47,064 --> 00:42:48,631 -Yeah. -...And how we feel 905 00:42:48,708 --> 00:42:49,941 About "playboy"... -Mm-hmm. 906 00:42:49,976 --> 00:42:51,650 ...And our connection to the magazine. 907 00:42:51,652 --> 00:42:53,194 -Mia: Thank you, lisa. -Ashley: Thanks for having us. 908 00:42:53,229 --> 00:42:54,929 -Amanda: Thank you. -Thanks for being here. 909 00:42:55,005 --> 00:42:56,297 ♪♪ 910 00:42:56,332 --> 00:42:58,991 I didn't think a regular girl could get in "playboy." 911 00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:02,286 I said, you know, "I am a cop." and she goes, "what? Where?" 912 00:43:02,288 --> 00:43:03,654 I said, "nypd." 913 00:43:03,731 --> 00:43:07,325 "playboy" featured you as an air force drill sergeant. 914 00:43:07,401 --> 00:43:10,152 Right. But when the magazine came out, 915 00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:11,746 My whole life was flipped upside down. 916 00:43:11,822 --> 00:43:15,023 Makes no sense. I didn't break the law. 917 00:43:15,025 --> 00:43:16,241 I didn't commit a crime. 918 00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:18,494 They said, "we're opening an investigation on you." 919 00:43:18,571 --> 00:43:19,804 I was like, "on what?" 920 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:23,248 "playboy" knew this was gonna be a very big story. 921 00:43:23,326 --> 00:43:25,310 Oh, my god, it blew up.