1 00:00:20,854 --> 00:00:23,188 There are as many possible chess games 2 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:25,233 as atoms in the visible universe. 3 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:30,237 31-year-old Norwegian Magnus Carlsen 4 00:00:30,238 --> 00:00:32,198 is the current World Chess Champion. 5 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:39,080 {\an8}…reigns supreme in a sport played by 500 million people. 6 00:00:39,956 --> 00:00:43,584 {\an8}Magnus must remember the position of 320 pieces 7 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:47,504 {\an8}while calculating ten moves and countermoves on each board. 8 00:00:47,505 --> 00:00:50,049 Magnus wins on all boards. 9 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:55,096 I can see these things immediately, where other people see chaos. 10 00:00:59,392 --> 00:01:01,935 {\an8}That is that, ladies and gentlemen. Carlsen has won… 11 00:01:01,936 --> 00:01:02,978 Magnus Carlsen… 12 00:01:02,979 --> 00:01:07,192 Magnus Carlsen has this edge mentally that nobody else possesses. 13 00:01:07,901 --> 00:01:13,448 I've been the definite best player in the world now for 12 to 13 years. 14 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:19,412 Magnus Carlsen is doing things no human being I've met before can do. 15 00:01:19,954 --> 00:01:22,040 Do you consider yourself a genius? 16 00:01:22,874 --> 00:01:26,126 Do I ever wonder why he was given this gift? 17 00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:28,003 Are we living in a simulation? 18 00:01:28,004 --> 00:01:29,422 I'm Magnus Carlsen. 19 00:01:30,048 --> 00:01:32,007 Magnus Carlsen. 20 00:01:32,008 --> 00:01:35,469 The Mozart of Chess! One of the great geniuses of our time… 21 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:39,307 - Please welcome Magnus Carlsen! - The reigning five-time world champion. 22 00:01:44,646 --> 00:01:49,608 Magnus Carlsen was defeated in a major upset at the Sinquefield Cup. 23 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:51,610 Magnus Carlsen just resigned. 24 00:01:51,611 --> 00:01:53,612 Carlsen lost to this younger player. 25 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:56,366 Sending the chess world into chaos. 26 00:01:58,618 --> 00:02:00,869 Does chess make you insane? 27 00:02:00,870 --> 00:02:02,454 Or does chess keepyou sane? 28 00:02:02,455 --> 00:02:05,874 One of the greatest chess champions of all time 29 00:02:05,875 --> 00:02:08,335 {\an8}is accusing a fellow player of cheating. 30 00:02:08,336 --> 00:02:12,173 He explicitly accused 19-year-old American Hans Niemann. 31 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,092 All I did was play a chess game, and I beat him. 32 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:17,970 He's entered a level of paranoia that is not, like, sane. 33 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:19,721 He's created a monster. 34 00:02:19,722 --> 00:02:21,098 And while he's old, 35 00:02:21,099 --> 00:02:22,766 I'm gonna be young, improving. 36 00:02:22,767 --> 00:02:24,935 And the best player, he's gonna have to watch. 37 00:02:24,936 --> 00:02:28,231 And every fucking day of his life, he's gonna have to realize that 38 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:30,441 he did this to me. 39 00:02:32,402 --> 00:02:34,444 The community doesn't like people who cheat. 40 00:02:34,445 --> 00:02:38,157 Of course it's fucking coordinated. It's a genuine conspiracy against me. 41 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:41,326 Just, people think he's cheating. It's as simple as that. 42 00:02:41,327 --> 00:02:43,245 They think I'm cheating. Are they crazy? 43 00:02:43,246 --> 00:02:46,624 - Is Hans cheating over the board? - This is war, isn't it? 44 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,336 They did this all because of a personal vendetta. 45 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,675 Have you ever used anal beads while playing chess? 46 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,834 Sometimes I wonder how my life would be without chess. 47 00:03:32,837 --> 00:03:35,340 And I think it's a blessing and a curse. 48 00:03:36,925 --> 00:03:40,887 I've thought about this a lot. Like, what price do you pay for genius? 49 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:45,432 {\an8}Because of course, my mind, you know, 50 00:03:45,433 --> 00:03:50,312 {\an8}is capable of things that, you know, make me a pretty good chess player 51 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:54,900 and good at other things, but that comes with an emotional price, 52 00:03:54,901 --> 00:03:57,320 and that's probably why I was never normal. 53 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,242 When I told my parents at 16, "I'm gonna move to New York, 54 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,287 I'm gonna live alone, pay for rent," they… everyone called me crazy. 55 00:04:09,249 --> 00:04:11,625 But I knew that I needed to prove to myself 56 00:04:11,626 --> 00:04:13,670 I could be the best chess player in the world. 57 00:04:14,420 --> 00:04:17,130 And that took precedent over living with my family 58 00:04:17,131 --> 00:04:18,758 and having security. 59 00:04:26,891 --> 00:04:30,477 There was periods where I didn't speak to a single person for two months. 60 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:34,107 But… I used to go on these 30-hour benders. I wouldn't sleep. 61 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:38,945 And I would literally just stay up, solving chess puzzles nonstop. 62 00:04:39,779 --> 00:04:42,031 I just consumed everything I could about chess. 63 00:04:44,158 --> 00:04:46,285 {\an8}I liked to watch interviews with past players. 64 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:47,577 {\an8}I'd analyze their games. 65 00:04:47,578 --> 00:04:50,623 I'd be working on the openings, absorbing everything I could. 66 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:54,876 Bobby saw six moves ahead here. He just didn't seeseven moves ahead. 67 00:04:54,877 --> 00:04:57,337 I'd sit at my computer for 12 to 16 hours a day, 68 00:04:57,338 --> 00:05:00,924 just playing thousands of games a month. 69 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:03,343 And I understood that the only way for me to improve 70 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:05,512 was to play against people much better than me. 71 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:08,724 Every opportunity for me to play against the best players in the world 72 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:10,685 was a chance to just absorb that strength. 73 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:15,857 And every single top player is playing on Chess.com. 74 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,319 It's the entire fucking chess ecosystem. 75 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,821 There's no alternative. 76 00:05:24,907 --> 00:05:26,784 They have a monopoly over online chess. 77 00:05:30,913 --> 00:05:34,292 It would be correct to say we don't look like the average chess player. 78 00:05:35,877 --> 00:05:40,505 When I say "chess player," people think of an old white guy from Russia. 79 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,966 {\an8}"Chess is not cool. It's super hard." 80 00:05:42,967 --> 00:05:46,261 {\an8}"It's only for nerds. It's not something that's for me." 81 00:05:46,262 --> 00:05:50,308 {\an8}And that's really a big reason why Chess.com has the "pawn" as the logo. 82 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:52,768 Because chess is for the pawns. 83 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:56,189 The pawn potential to move up the board and be whatever you want to be. 84 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,942 Chess is for everybody. 85 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,075 Welcome to anotherUnder the Green Pawn. 86 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:12,079 Chess.com started as an idea in 2005 87 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,582 that I wanted to build the MySpace of chess. 88 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:19,544 We officially opened in May of 2007. 89 00:06:19,545 --> 00:06:22,005 Here's the hall. Wish me luck. See you on the other side. 90 00:06:22,006 --> 00:06:24,216 But it was really small potatoes. 91 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:27,761 I was turning down jobs at Facebook and Palantir and YouTube, 92 00:06:27,762 --> 00:06:30,222 and everybody in Silicon Valley was telling us 93 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,849 chess would never be big enough to be investable 94 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:36,186 and just kind of like laughing us out of the office a bit. 95 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:37,604 We were always the underdog. 96 00:06:37,605 --> 00:06:39,023 Till COVID. 97 00:06:40,441 --> 00:06:42,527 Today the World Health Organization 98 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:46,530 officially announced that this is a global pandemic. 99 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:50,326 Imagine there's no heaven 100 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:54,579 The murder hornet-- 101 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,707 - I think it's a filter. - I don't know how to remove it. 102 00:06:57,708 --> 00:07:00,669 The pandemic was absolutely bonkers, 103 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:03,464 but for chess, it was unreal. 104 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:07,342 We could see it in the server logs and registrations. 105 00:07:07,343 --> 00:07:10,805 {\an8}Each country that got locked down, registration spike. 106 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:13,474 {\an8}Italy was first to lock down. 107 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:16,060 {\an8}Registrations in Italy, boom. 108 00:07:17,687 --> 00:07:21,023 And next was India. Registrations in India, boom. 109 00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:25,569 And every country, as it got locked down, 110 00:07:25,570 --> 00:07:28,990 registrations bumping up, four or five x. Overnight. 111 00:07:31,242 --> 00:07:32,826 {\an8}I thought we'd play some chess. 112 00:07:32,827 --> 00:07:34,162 {\an8}I'd like to play chess. 113 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:39,583 And thenThe Queen's Gambit show on Netflix came along. 114 00:07:39,584 --> 00:07:42,711 {\an8}Those waves hit each other and spiked. 115 00:07:42,712 --> 00:07:46,798 At Chess.com this month, more than two million new members. 116 00:07:46,799 --> 00:07:50,385 We literally did go from a million daily active users 117 00:07:50,386 --> 00:07:53,263 to five, six million daily active people, playing chess. 118 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:54,806 It was crazy. 119 00:07:54,807 --> 00:07:56,766 What's the company currently worth? 120 00:07:56,767 --> 00:08:01,814 Probably… gettin' close to a billion dollars in value. 121 00:08:02,398 --> 00:08:03,523 That's my guess. 122 00:08:03,524 --> 00:08:06,902 Do I care? Not really, but that's my guess. 123 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:08,236 Fuck! 124 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:11,323 During the pandemic, we were constantly thinking about, 125 00:08:11,324 --> 00:08:13,116 where is our next growth opportunity? 126 00:08:13,117 --> 00:08:14,618 What the fuck just happened here? 127 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:17,412 And we saw influencers playing chess en masse, 128 00:08:17,413 --> 00:08:18,748 like we'd never seen before. 129 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:22,209 And it became my job to choose the next stars 130 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:23,835 and build the streaming program. 131 00:08:23,836 --> 00:08:25,837 - Send this to overtime! - Change of queen! 132 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:28,507 Danny became maybe the most important person 133 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:30,468 in the entire chess community. 134 00:08:31,135 --> 00:08:32,719 We changed chess yet again today. 135 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,888 I love you andsalud. 136 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:37,557 You're in this position where you're the gatekeeper, 137 00:08:37,558 --> 00:08:40,936 the key master to someone's hopes and dreams. 138 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:42,855 And everybody wanted to be a star. 139 00:08:43,731 --> 00:08:46,441 Get out of here! 140 00:08:46,442 --> 00:08:50,904 You just got owned! 141 00:08:50,905 --> 00:08:54,075 Before the pandemic, I didn't really know Hans Niemann. 142 00:08:54,575 --> 00:08:56,577 I knew-- 143 00:08:57,537 --> 00:08:58,745 Hans! 144 00:08:58,746 --> 00:09:00,372 You just got owned! 145 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:02,332 All of the biggest chess creators, 146 00:09:02,333 --> 00:09:04,585 people you see now with millions of subscribers, 147 00:09:05,169 --> 00:09:06,294 they were nobodies. 148 00:09:06,295 --> 00:09:10,633 And then Chess.com artif… created their careers. 149 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,594 {\an8}Okay, finish him. 150 00:09:14,595 --> 00:09:17,138 {\an8}Chess became a fad. It became a trend. 151 00:09:17,139 --> 00:09:19,015 {\an8}When there's a trend, everyone follows. 152 00:09:19,016 --> 00:09:22,269 Yo, 2,700 viewers. Damn. 153 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:24,854 These guys are… You guys are enjoying this. 154 00:09:24,855 --> 00:09:27,108 There's always opportunity if you look for it. 155 00:09:27,858 --> 00:09:30,860 So, I just start streaming on Twitch every single day. 156 00:09:30,861 --> 00:09:32,529 Dude, you watch Twitch? 157 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:34,906 - Are you Hans Niemann? - I'm Hans Niemann! 158 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:36,199 Oh shit! Yo! 159 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,953 Here was a young talented American… 160 00:09:40,204 --> 00:09:42,789 …with an insane amount of self-confidence. 161 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:46,001 Let's be civil, let's be mature, and let's continue with the show. 162 00:09:46,002 --> 00:09:47,002 He's got bravado. 163 00:09:47,003 --> 00:09:48,004 Yeah! 164 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:53,466 And it made sense for us to work together and help him become a streaming star. 165 00:09:53,467 --> 00:09:55,927 I became someone who was mentoring him. 166 00:09:55,928 --> 00:09:58,847 {\an8}Speaking of our participants, they're ready to roll. 167 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:00,140 {\an8}As we see Hans Niemann, 168 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:03,059 {\an8}he's got his Doritos, which is hisfavoritos snack. 169 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:07,440 {\an8}Everything about our relationship was met with a full partnership. 170 00:10:08,190 --> 00:10:10,275 And Hans was special to us. 171 00:10:10,276 --> 00:10:12,027 {\an8}Rook e7. 172 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:13,653 {\an8}Suck my balls. 173 00:10:13,654 --> 00:10:15,156 I had quite a big fan base. 174 00:10:17,908 --> 00:10:19,535 The rage is not for the camera. 175 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:22,829 Unfortunately, it's just how I am. 176 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:24,956 Tick tock, tick, tick, tick! 177 00:10:24,957 --> 00:10:26,958 What set me apart from other streamers 178 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:30,253 was everyone else was so boring that I seemed interesting in contrast. 179 00:10:30,254 --> 00:10:33,966 How! How is he so smart?! 180 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:37,011 All right, let's play something slow. 181 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:41,390 Nothing fancy-schmancy. Just keep it very slow and controlled. 182 00:10:43,017 --> 00:10:44,935 I am Hikaru Nakamura. 183 00:10:45,478 --> 00:10:47,187 I am a grandmaster. 184 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:50,523 {\an8}Currently ranked number three in the world at the great game of chess. 185 00:10:50,524 --> 00:10:54,986 {\an8}Computer will tell you guys if I'm wrong, but I think king f6, is the only… 186 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:57,155 Hans, he's someone I would compete against, 187 00:10:57,156 --> 00:10:58,531 playing blitz games online. 188 00:10:58,532 --> 00:11:01,368 It was very clear he was a strong player. No doubt about it. 189 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:03,787 Whoa, what? No, this is insane. 190 00:11:03,788 --> 00:11:07,083 But I didn't really particularly care for his brand of antics. 191 00:11:09,794 --> 00:11:13,254 The old-school chess establishment, the view is you have to be very proper. 192 00:11:13,255 --> 00:11:16,758 You win, you say, "I won the game." You lose, "Guy played better than me." 193 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:18,510 My congratulations, sir. 194 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:20,179 A brilliant coup. 195 00:11:20,763 --> 00:11:22,555 But Hans is very wild. 196 00:11:22,556 --> 00:11:24,808 When he lost games, he would scream, he'd yell. 197 00:11:24,809 --> 00:11:27,644 When he'd win games, he'd be like, "I'm the greatest in the world." 198 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:28,770 I am a God. 199 00:11:28,771 --> 00:11:32,858 Now, sit the fuck down and get with the flow. 200 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:36,111 You know, why not? Why not speak my mind? 201 00:11:36,112 --> 00:11:38,196 Some people like that. Some people don't. 202 00:11:38,197 --> 00:11:41,032 So while the fans enjoyed it, there are people in the chess world 203 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:43,785 who were not fans of that and thought it was disrespectful, 204 00:11:43,786 --> 00:11:47,622 and it wasn't fitting for someone who was a serious player. 205 00:11:47,623 --> 00:11:49,332 Players would talk about it. 206 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:50,917 "Why does he do this, do that?" 207 00:11:50,918 --> 00:11:52,460 And they think it's so crazy, 208 00:11:52,461 --> 00:11:56,464 but in the world of sports, it's not that crazy. It's normal. 209 00:11:56,465 --> 00:11:58,466 First of all, people are absolute idiots 210 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:00,969 because the explanation I'm gonna give is gonna make 211 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:02,721 all the top GMs look like idiots. 212 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:06,641 Why doI have to be held to the standard of being so polite and nice? 213 00:12:06,642 --> 00:12:09,561 Nice guys, you know, they finish last, as they say. 214 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:10,938 And I'm not a nice guy. 215 00:12:11,522 --> 00:12:14,275 You can't be a nice guy and be a champion, unfortunately. 216 00:12:38,966 --> 00:12:42,552 I've sometimes just found it very surprising 217 00:12:42,553 --> 00:12:45,556 that I'm the best in the world at something. 218 00:12:50,478 --> 00:12:54,356 'Cause I don't consider myself particularly remarkable. 219 00:12:55,149 --> 00:12:59,068 {\an8}I know that I'm relatively bright, but I'm not a genius. 220 00:12:59,069 --> 00:13:01,154 {\an8}Like, I'm not something amazing. 221 00:13:01,155 --> 00:13:04,616 I only know that when I sit down at the board, 222 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:07,661 I am better than the other guy. 223 00:13:13,918 --> 00:13:18,755 I sometimes feel as though I don't deserve it. 224 00:13:18,756 --> 00:13:23,135 I feel like, at times, it's come kind of easy to me. 225 00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:28,765 There are probably people who have worked a lot harder 226 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:31,727 who haven't reached as far. 227 00:13:33,312 --> 00:13:35,313 What do you know about Hans? 228 00:13:35,314 --> 00:13:37,565 I had played him a couple of times online. 229 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:41,110 And it was, at times, quite entertaining 230 00:13:41,111 --> 00:13:44,280 'cause his mood swings would be pretty wild. 231 00:13:44,281 --> 00:13:46,950 Chat, we're playing fucking Magnus! 232 00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:48,993 We're playing Magnus Carlsen! 233 00:13:48,994 --> 00:13:51,371 I was just this kid who didn't view himself 234 00:13:51,372 --> 00:13:53,081 as this potential champion. 235 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:55,251 And suddenly, here I am, playing Magnus. 236 00:13:56,293 --> 00:13:59,796 Playing the world champion, a player I've looked up to for so long. 237 00:13:59,797 --> 00:14:01,256 So of course I'm excited. 238 00:14:01,257 --> 00:14:02,466 Holy shit! 239 00:14:03,259 --> 00:14:08,597 He was pretty decent, but I still won the game quite easily. 240 00:14:09,390 --> 00:14:11,976 Mate. Very pleasing. 241 00:14:14,061 --> 00:14:20,234 He's a good player who happens to be American and talk a lot. 242 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:24,279 There's a clip that I watch back. 243 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,241 And in this clip, I say like, "You might not believe in me." 244 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:30,118 "You might all think I'm crazy, but…" 245 00:14:30,119 --> 00:14:32,912 There will be a day where I take down Magnus 246 00:14:32,913 --> 00:14:36,917 and where I rise to the best in the world! 247 00:14:37,793 --> 00:14:41,671 And you guys will be there every single step of the way. 248 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:44,883 There was a journey behind it. People wanted to see the underdog kid 249 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:47,635 overcome the top players in the world. 250 00:14:47,636 --> 00:14:49,679 We've got fucking so many GMs, 251 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,932 and the little IM, who no one thought could do it, 252 00:14:52,933 --> 00:14:54,310 fucking qualified! 253 00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:57,645 I won like 30 grand a month on Chess.com. 254 00:14:57,646 --> 00:14:59,565 I was one of the best players on the website. 255 00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:05,320 And I was beating all these, you know, grandmasters. 256 00:15:05,321 --> 00:15:07,614 The top players in the world. 257 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:11,327 I thought if I could beat them online, why can't I beat them face to face? 258 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:15,998 And I knew that I had to prove myself to the chess world over the board. 259 00:15:19,126 --> 00:15:22,546 Over-the-board chess is where two players sit down at a table. 260 00:15:24,006 --> 00:15:25,466 You play with a timer or clock. 261 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:29,803 And you're playing face to face. 262 00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:36,060 Queen… to king 4. 263 00:15:38,020 --> 00:15:39,604 Over the board is intimate. 264 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:42,399 You hear the breathing of the person across from you. 265 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,070 You can see their reaction to the move that you make. 266 00:15:48,113 --> 00:15:52,368 And when you win, you can see the pain in another person's eyes. Literally! 267 00:15:57,456 --> 00:15:59,374 I think we can make a clear distinction 268 00:15:59,375 --> 00:16:02,293 between online being this, like, pick-up game, 269 00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:04,796 and over the board being the real deal. 270 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:07,340 For the top players, the over-the-board rankings, 271 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:10,511 it is basically the current gold standard. 272 00:16:11,512 --> 00:16:14,013 The rating system in chess is quite straightforward. 273 00:16:14,014 --> 00:16:15,723 You start from a rating of zero, 274 00:16:15,724 --> 00:16:18,017 and it goes up to World Championship level, 275 00:16:18,018 --> 00:16:21,605 which is around 2,800 or a little bit above that. 276 00:16:22,189 --> 00:16:25,401 At that point, my rating was 2,466. 277 00:16:26,026 --> 00:16:29,071 Nothing special. Plenty of people at my age had a rating. 278 00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:33,408 But my life's mission was to become the best player in the world, 279 00:16:33,409 --> 00:16:34,952 and nothing was gonna stop me. 280 00:16:38,872 --> 00:16:41,290 So I decided to go to the over-the-board circuit 281 00:16:41,291 --> 00:16:42,793 while being a senior in high school. 282 00:16:43,961 --> 00:16:46,546 I gotta go all in, play the best tournaments. 283 00:16:46,547 --> 00:16:47,548 I gotta go to Europe. 284 00:16:50,801 --> 00:16:55,179 I started in Spain. I had three amazing tournaments. 285 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:59,685 Gained a lot of rating. I actually went from 2,488 to 2,525. 286 00:17:01,353 --> 00:17:03,605 And then, I went off to Italy. 287 00:17:04,773 --> 00:17:05,941 Increasing my rating. 288 00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:11,195 And then after that, nonstop tournament schedule, 289 00:17:11,196 --> 00:17:13,866 {\an8}one month in Serbia, back-to-back tournaments. 290 00:17:16,035 --> 00:17:19,829 Then for the month of March, I played all these tournaments in Italy. 291 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:23,332 I actually did really badly there. 292 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:26,045 I was stuck. I was plateauing. The money was running out. 293 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,089 But thankfully, I then went to Montenegro… 294 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:34,594 …playing two tournaments there. I absolutely dominated. 295 00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:37,473 Catapulting my rating up, and with that confidence going forward, 296 00:17:38,682 --> 00:17:39,850 crushed every tournament. 297 00:17:42,811 --> 00:17:46,731 I guess I knew that he was ambitious in general. 298 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:48,191 He was stationed in Europe. 299 00:17:48,192 --> 00:17:51,278 He was playing tournaments more or less every single day. 300 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:55,074 Generally doing quite well, gaining rating. 301 00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:59,118 I was an absolute maniac and played every tournament I could. 302 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,996 I won the Philadelphia International. 303 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:04,333 Won the World Open. 304 00:18:05,876 --> 00:18:07,544 {\an8}The US Junior Championship. 305 00:18:08,128 --> 00:18:10,589 I won the Capablanca Award in Cuba. 306 00:18:11,882 --> 00:18:14,718 {\an8}I won another tournament right after that in Sweden. 307 00:18:15,677 --> 00:18:18,764 I broke the record for the amount of games played in one year. 308 00:18:19,431 --> 00:18:23,184 I played 261 games in one year. 309 00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:27,605 And his ranking just keeps going up, straight up to about 2,700, 310 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,858 which is, essentially, I would say, top 30, top 40 in the world. 311 00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:33,861 He always had the talent, and now he was turning it on. 312 00:18:33,862 --> 00:18:34,863 He flipped the switch. 313 00:18:35,739 --> 00:18:38,032 Hans Niemann must be someone who's on trajectory 314 00:18:38,033 --> 00:18:41,120 to becoming one of the greatest players of all time. 315 00:18:44,081 --> 00:18:47,750 My entire life, I was conditioned and told and bullied. 316 00:18:47,751 --> 00:18:50,378 "You won't be a chess player. You won't make money." 317 00:18:50,379 --> 00:18:51,922 "You have to go to college." 318 00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:55,759 So it's a very special moment to sort of see your dreams materialize. 319 00:18:56,343 --> 00:18:58,846 So that was my entrance into the elite of chess. 320 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:02,516 And when you're in the club, life's good. 321 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,692 I got an email saying, "We'd like to invite you to Miami." 322 00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:16,029 We are so ready for the FTX Crypto Cup. 323 00:19:16,989 --> 00:19:21,785 The Miami FTX Crypto Cup was an Esports chess event spectacular. 324 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:24,745 They brought a bunch of top players to Miami, 325 00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:26,331 put them up in a great hotel. 326 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:30,585 We love chess. Yeah. 327 00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:34,589 We're talking about people who have competed in the NBA or the NFL 328 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:35,715 of the game. 329 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:37,885 It was one of the most popular events in chess. 330 00:19:39,178 --> 00:19:41,721 And having proven himself as a rising star, 331 00:19:41,722 --> 00:19:43,390 Hans Niemann got the invite. 332 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:46,100 No, it was big for me. It was big. 333 00:19:46,101 --> 00:19:48,145 So that was the first moment where I 334 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:51,565 realized, okay, this is real. 335 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:54,610 And I'm with all the best players in the world. 336 00:19:55,194 --> 00:19:57,529 Just two years ago, I idolized all of them. 337 00:19:58,572 --> 00:20:01,366 I didn't even think I'd be having conversations with them. 338 00:20:03,285 --> 00:20:06,579 And then, I'm sitting with them at dinner trash-talking. 339 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:08,372 And that was a big moment to realize, 340 00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:10,834 "This is real. I'm gonna be one of the best in the world." 341 00:20:11,668 --> 00:20:14,212 A lot of players who eventually make it to the top, 342 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,131 there's some defining game or moment early in their careers. 343 00:20:17,132 --> 00:20:20,301 This great game, this masterpiece they play that's talked about. 344 00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:23,931 You step back, like, "This is amazing. They're destined for greatness." 345 00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:26,892 And Hans never had any of those moments. 346 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:30,519 In order to be the best, you have to beat the best. 347 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,146 He needed legitimacy. 348 00:20:32,147 --> 00:20:33,606 Yeah. 349 00:20:33,607 --> 00:20:36,735 And Hans, if you want to step a little closer, please. 350 00:20:37,277 --> 00:20:40,989 I consider you a man of quite the confidence. 351 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:44,784 Is this just the first step to absolutely crushing these guys 352 00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,285 for years and years to come? 353 00:20:46,286 --> 00:20:49,998 Yeah, I'd like to establish psychological dominance over all of them. 354 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,543 What did he expect from this tournament? 355 00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:58,923 'Cause he's a significant underdog in every… in every single match, 356 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:01,384 and if he thinks that he can just come here 357 00:21:01,385 --> 00:21:06,265 and beat everybody, that seems… that seems completely delusional. 358 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,600 Magnus has been good for a very long time. 359 00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:13,104 That's because he's crushed the soul of all these guys in this room. 360 00:21:13,105 --> 00:21:15,482 I intend to replace him. 361 00:21:17,776 --> 00:21:19,861 Is he even at your level? 362 00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:22,321 Of course not. 363 00:21:22,322 --> 00:21:27,076 It felt like he was trying to sort of cosplay as a top chess player, 364 00:21:27,077 --> 00:21:27,994 to be honest. 365 00:21:27,995 --> 00:21:30,705 That just really threw me off a bit. 366 00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:32,873 Thanks, guys. 367 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:35,543 Hans starts off this tournament very, very poorly. 368 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:39,755 He's losing most of his matches, and it's clearly not going his way. 369 00:21:39,756 --> 00:21:42,216 Yesterday Hans Niemann lost all three games, 370 00:21:42,217 --> 00:21:45,678 and it's going to be an uphill battle for him. 371 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:47,972 - Looks hopeless, to be honest. - It does. 372 00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:50,850 He could, like, barely last 15 moves. 373 00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:54,395 In certain areas, he was just completely lacking understanding. 374 00:21:54,396 --> 00:21:58,399 So to say that anybody thought Hans Niemann was capable 375 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,653 of beating Magnus Carlsen would be… would be laughable. 376 00:22:02,362 --> 00:22:04,155 Nobody was paying attention to this. 377 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,073 You're playing the reigning champion. 378 00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:07,491 How do you prepare for that match? 379 00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:10,329 Rating champion? Oh, "reigning"? Reigning champion. 380 00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,205 I had two nice smoothies. 381 00:22:13,206 --> 00:22:15,875 But there's nothing about Hans that makes any sense. 382 00:22:15,876 --> 00:22:18,628 Honestly, there's nothing about this that makes any sense. 383 00:22:22,174 --> 00:22:27,387 I've been the best player in the world now for 12 to 13 years. 384 00:22:28,013 --> 00:22:31,223 I've won a lot of chess games and a lot of tournaments. 385 00:22:31,224 --> 00:22:34,978 I'm not insecure about my ability to play chess. 386 00:22:35,687 --> 00:22:37,772 His history is unparalleled. 387 00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:40,149 And I do get the sense that he is very aware 388 00:22:40,150 --> 00:22:42,151 of sort of the aura he has. 389 00:22:42,152 --> 00:22:46,238 At some point, you think he's invincible and he could never be beaten by anybody. 390 00:22:46,239 --> 00:22:48,825 It's a big psychological effect that he has. 391 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:56,416 I was the lowest-rated player there, but I didn't have the fearful attitude. 392 00:22:56,917 --> 00:22:59,669 I thought, this is my chance, let me take it. 393 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:04,799 Psychologically, Niemann definitely doesn't lack for self-belief. 394 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,634 He just needs to back it up now. 395 00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,970 To start the game, Magnus Carlsen, greatest chess player of all time, 396 00:23:09,971 --> 00:23:11,347 is in a great position. 397 00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:14,226 This just looks visually terrible for Hans. 398 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:19,355 Magnus's pieces are so well positioned. The rook, the queen, the bishop. 399 00:23:19,356 --> 00:23:22,108 It'll be hard for Hans to survive the next few moves. 400 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:25,027 What's interesting then is that Hans jumped in 401 00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:29,282 and turns what looks like a dysfunctional king-side into an attack. 402 00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:31,283 I like what he's been doing, Hans. 403 00:23:31,284 --> 00:23:32,952 He's playing very well. 404 00:23:32,953 --> 00:23:36,580 If he keeps this up, he's gonna really challenge Magnus. 405 00:23:36,581 --> 00:23:40,167 His rooks come to life, and Magnus's position completely falls apart. 406 00:23:40,168 --> 00:23:42,920 Very impressive. Everything connected for black now. 407 00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:46,882 And that's not Magnus, is it, to play like this? 408 00:23:46,883 --> 00:23:53,432 I had no chance in that game whatsoever, which was really weird. 409 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:59,562 Like, we're not on the same level. Like, I'm a lot better than you are. 410 00:23:59,563 --> 00:24:01,814 There are moments I could've went for a draw 411 00:24:01,815 --> 00:24:03,899 and showed respect to the great champion, 412 00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,903 but, unfortunately, I didn't have that in mind. 413 00:24:07,904 --> 00:24:10,072 It was just a complete beatdown. 414 00:24:10,073 --> 00:24:13,159 He's resigned. Wow. What can I say? 415 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,493 What a result. 416 00:24:14,494 --> 00:24:18,831 Incredible start for Hans Niemann, the lowest-rated player in the tournament. 417 00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:21,292 A win against world number one. 418 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:23,502 The reaction from Hans in Miami. 419 00:24:23,503 --> 00:24:26,672 Hans, yesterday was a terrible day for you. 420 00:24:26,673 --> 00:24:30,217 Today you start out with a masterpiece. How would you summarize it? 421 00:24:30,218 --> 00:24:31,595 Chess speaks for itself. 422 00:24:32,179 --> 00:24:34,973 Is it something special, doing this against Magnus, Hans? 423 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:43,856 Chess speaks for itself. 424 00:24:43,857 --> 00:24:47,152 Is it something special, doing this against Magnus, Hans? 425 00:24:47,819 --> 00:24:51,989 The interview after the game goes viral. 426 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:54,658 It's all over Twitter and Reddit. 427 00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:57,578 Some people are like, "You don't act that way." 428 00:24:57,579 --> 00:25:02,833 Other people are like, "Look at that! Mic drop. Let's go, Hans Niemann!" 429 00:25:02,834 --> 00:25:04,586 Guess which side of the camp I sat on. 430 00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:10,216 There are a lot of people who don't like seeing 431 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:11,675 Magnus win every tournament, 432 00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:14,512 and so it's like this underdog kid who beats Magnus, 433 00:25:14,513 --> 00:25:16,640 and he's sort of rubbing it in his face. 434 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:22,436 I don't even get it. He wins a nice game, and he's just, like, he's just angry. 435 00:25:22,437 --> 00:25:26,065 I don't know what's wrong with him. It's funny, but it's also kinda weird. 436 00:25:26,066 --> 00:25:28,651 Like I said, when I saw the interview, I literally was like, 437 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:30,986 "This is what the chess world's been waiting for," 438 00:25:30,987 --> 00:25:33,657 and then everyone else is going like, 439 00:25:34,741 --> 00:25:38,036 maybe the chess speaks for itself because Hans doesn't know what he was doing. 440 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,164 He was getting help from somewhere else. 441 00:25:47,921 --> 00:25:50,215 I was not groomed to be a top chess player. 442 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:55,678 Going to eight different schools and being bullied at every school 443 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,681 for being this sort of chess outcast. 444 00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:03,937 So, when I was 13, I'd take the train from Connecticut to New York, 445 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:07,731 and I'd play against the hustlers for money. 446 00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:10,067 What are you doing? That's on the board, look! 447 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:12,320 This is the famous Washington Square Park. 448 00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:16,365 This is where the chess tables are. 449 00:26:16,366 --> 00:26:19,160 A lot of top players in New York come from this park. 450 00:26:19,828 --> 00:26:22,037 I have to beat this man like a dog. 451 00:26:22,038 --> 00:26:24,748 And they'll take your money any which way they can. 452 00:26:24,749 --> 00:26:28,753 Don't you just love it? Rack 'em up! 453 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,423 I didn't play the sort of formal type of chess. 454 00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,425 Bye-bye. 455 00:26:34,593 --> 00:26:38,429 I had my own way of doing things and have taken a very unique path. 456 00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:40,307 Chess player, let's go! 457 00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:46,145 I know who you are, and I saw what you did last summer. 458 00:26:46,146 --> 00:26:48,689 Hans is the latest. He's the latest, man. 459 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:50,941 He won the World Junior Championship, 460 00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,278 but that didn't teach him until he came here. 461 00:26:53,778 --> 00:26:55,697 And then he learned to play. 462 00:26:57,449 --> 00:27:00,951 The first thing you learn about chess in the parks, 463 00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:04,331 {\an8}where you fight to the very end, is that no one ever won by giving up. 464 00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:07,583 You can take control even when you're losing. 465 00:27:07,584 --> 00:27:09,418 People don't realize that. 466 00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:13,088 But itis about control. Taking command of the game. 467 00:27:13,089 --> 00:27:14,006 Get him, Poe! 468 00:27:14,007 --> 00:27:17,134 I'm trying! This guy's like one of the toughest on the planet. 469 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:19,845 You have to be forged through the fire, the suffering. 470 00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:22,765 Shit. This guy's the Muhammad Ali of chess. 471 00:27:22,766 --> 00:27:24,433 You got more experience than me. 472 00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:25,684 Experience don't count! 473 00:27:25,685 --> 00:27:28,938 All along the line, Hans was always the best for his age. 474 00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:36,403 And not only was he incredibly good, but he was really fierce at the board. 475 00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:39,948 Legal move! Get out of here, kid! 476 00:27:39,949 --> 00:27:42,159 Get out of here. 477 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,286 I wanted them to know I wasn't afraid of them. 478 00:27:44,287 --> 00:27:47,082 When you're a kid comfortable playing 56-year-olds, 479 00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:49,792 nothing intimidates you anymore. 480 00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:53,462 You know, when you see your opponent clearly struggling, 481 00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:56,758 and you sort of know that you've got him, it's just the best feeling. 482 00:27:57,258 --> 00:27:59,843 Because you know that you're hot shit and they're not. 483 00:27:59,844 --> 00:28:02,513 He's tough, though. He's tough. He's tough. 484 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,099 Hans can manifest this energy. 485 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:09,312 This intimidating force coming at you, and that wears you down. 486 00:28:10,271 --> 00:28:11,689 He's a monster. 487 00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:15,193 And the beautiful thing about Hans being a monster, 488 00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:19,239 we in New York, he'sour monster. 489 00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:29,040 The thing is that, like, I've overcome so many things to get to where I am today 490 00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:32,584 that the greater the challenge, I honestly find it exhilarating 491 00:28:32,585 --> 00:28:34,878 knowing that everyone wants me to fail. 492 00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:36,255 And it makes me happy. 493 00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:39,175 It only motivates me more. It's only fuel to the fire. 494 00:28:42,637 --> 00:28:44,888 {\an8}This is it. The grandaddy of them all. 495 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:47,976 {\an8}Welcome, everybody, to day one of the Sinquefield Cup. 496 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:54,648 {\an8}Sinquefield Cup is a very prestigious tournament, 497 00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:57,318 {\an8}which pits ten of the best players in the world against each other. 498 00:29:01,156 --> 00:29:04,116 By far and away, it is the most watched event 499 00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:05,577 in professional chess. 500 00:29:10,206 --> 00:29:12,708 When it was announced Hans was in the Sinquefield Cup, 501 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:13,959 there were a lot of rumblings. 502 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,047 A very young player from New York, Hans Niemann. 503 00:29:20,341 --> 00:29:22,926 People felt that it was implausible for this player 504 00:29:22,927 --> 00:29:24,428 to have suddenly gone up so fast. 505 00:29:24,429 --> 00:29:27,181 I had gone, in a short period, 506 00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:30,267 from this high school student 507 00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,561 to on equal terms with the best players. 508 00:29:32,562 --> 00:29:36,231 Suddenly it's like this awakening of all of my dreams, 509 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:38,776 {\an8}my childhood dreams, coming to reality. 510 00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:42,946 {\an8}The tournament that's going on inside, we're especially here to support Hans. 511 00:29:42,947 --> 00:29:47,827 {\an8}Got our fun little signs here, and, yeah, just out here to show our support. 512 00:29:49,078 --> 00:29:52,206 There were a couple of girls who showed up to the playing hall. 513 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:54,291 They said they were the Hans Niemann fan club. 514 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:58,921 {\an8}I don't think he knows that we're here, so I really hope he comes out and sees us. 515 00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:00,172 {\an8}We love him. 516 00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:05,386 I did not pay those girls to show up as the Hans Niemann fan club. No. 517 00:30:05,970 --> 00:30:09,181 The tension that was building was already palpable. 518 00:30:09,182 --> 00:30:12,393 None of the top players trusted who Hans Niemann was. 519 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:17,397 These guys have a group. It's a clique. 520 00:30:17,398 --> 00:30:19,316 And it's not just an elitism thing. 521 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:22,736 It's that they've been there. They've earned it. They've done it. 522 00:30:22,737 --> 00:30:24,905 And people are like, "What are you doing here?" 523 00:30:24,906 --> 00:30:27,783 I was looking around, and I said, "Okay, I think I can belong 524 00:30:27,784 --> 00:30:29,494 in this room of great chess players." 525 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:33,539 People were nervous about Hans Niemann competing in over-the-board chess. 526 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,667 They didn't know what he was capable of in over-the-board chess. 527 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:39,170 They were afraid. They were paranoid. 528 00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:42,256 More and more players are becoming suspicious. 529 00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:43,883 You're wondering, what is going on? 530 00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:47,887 More than one player considered withdrawing from the event. 531 00:30:48,388 --> 00:30:51,015 And I can only surmise as to the reason why. 532 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,102 I do think on the question of whether 533 00:30:55,103 --> 00:30:58,063 this will be a dominating performance by one player… 534 00:30:58,064 --> 00:31:01,233 - The man on screen? - …perhaps running away with it. 535 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:03,193 Heading into the Sinquefield Cup, 536 00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:07,073 there was still no real doubt as to who the heavy favorite was. 537 00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:11,286 We had Magnus Carlsen, the greatest of all time. 538 00:31:12,996 --> 00:31:15,247 But then something surprising happens. 539 00:31:15,248 --> 00:31:19,751 Exciting chess has brought us a surprise in the leadership. 540 00:31:19,752 --> 00:31:22,546 From the beginning, I was just outplaying all of them. 541 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,173 Extremely solid performance by Hans. 542 00:31:25,174 --> 00:31:27,009 - How exciting, indeed. - Absolutely. 543 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:28,802 Hans got off to a very good start. 544 00:31:28,803 --> 00:31:31,973 He drew the first game against Levon Aronian, an American player. 545 00:31:34,183 --> 00:31:35,475 Round two. 546 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,060 He won a shocking game 547 00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,939 over the Azerbaijani player Shakhriyar Mamedyarov. 548 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:42,567 He blew him off the board. 549 00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:44,443 You can be arrogant, 550 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:47,155 you can be confident, but these guys aren't better than me. 551 00:31:48,156 --> 00:31:50,575 Magnus was looking at my game. 552 00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:53,828 I think he was impressed, to say the least. 553 00:31:56,456 --> 00:32:02,920 We have headliners, and they're going head-to-head right now, right here. 554 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:06,006 It was probably the biggest opportunity of my entire chess career. 555 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:09,259 I remember being very nervous about what opening he would play. 556 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:11,428 The opening's really important. 557 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:14,640 So I decided, you know, let me just be in a good mental headspace, 558 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:17,684 ready to fight and to take every chance that I got. 559 00:32:17,685 --> 00:32:21,146 And there we have our battle of our leaders, yeah, 560 00:32:21,147 --> 00:32:23,815 with Magnus starting with one d4, no surprise there. 561 00:32:23,816 --> 00:32:27,194 I think if you're in a situation where you don't trust your opponent, 562 00:32:27,195 --> 00:32:30,657 you have a huge psychological disadvantage. 563 00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:35,953 So I'm in a mindset of I'm gonna try and surprise him 564 00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:37,287 in the opening a bit. 565 00:32:37,288 --> 00:32:39,706 And I pick kind of a rare line. 566 00:32:39,707 --> 00:32:42,876 An unusual approach by Magnus in the opening. 567 00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:46,546 These types of move orders are chosen to trick your opponent. 568 00:32:46,547 --> 00:32:49,925 Frankly, this type of approach is Magnus Carlsen's specialty. 569 00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:52,094 It's a bit of a risky line. 570 00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:55,389 And he plays the exact best move. 571 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:59,851 And it looks like Hans is reasonably well-prepared, even here. 572 00:32:59,852 --> 00:33:03,355 It's clear that Hans, despite this being an obscure opening, 573 00:33:03,356 --> 00:33:04,649 knows what he's doing. 574 00:33:05,733 --> 00:33:10,029 From the player that I'd known before, I thought he was not that good. 575 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:13,908 And I did not like the situation at all at that point. 576 00:33:16,577 --> 00:33:19,997 And I kept applying pressure, slowly and slowly. 577 00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:21,415 Eventually he collapsed. 578 00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:27,713 That's probably as bad a body posture I've seen on Magnus. 579 00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:30,132 He seems rattled by how this game is going. 580 00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:33,928 It was very surprising, the way… He seemed to have no chances, honestly. 581 00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:37,806 It definitely felt that I was playing somebody 582 00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:41,935 who didn't appear to be putting a lot of effort into this game. 583 00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:44,563 It just seemed that, "Yeah, I'm better than you." 584 00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:47,400 "I'm outplaying you. This is normal." 585 00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,278 I'm thinking, like, this is back to Miami again. 586 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,906 Like, this guy is just fucking with me at this point. 587 00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:59,746 Sometimes I'd wonder, was sacrificing my childhood worth it? 588 00:34:00,538 --> 00:34:02,539 Was it worth it to be bullied? 589 00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:04,458 Was it worth it to live alone? 590 00:34:04,459 --> 00:34:05,752 You have these thoughts. 591 00:34:06,252 --> 00:34:08,379 Those thoughts sort of disappeared. 592 00:34:09,047 --> 00:34:11,256 And I was just enjoying my time. 593 00:34:11,257 --> 00:34:13,801 Thinking about my next first-class flight. 594 00:34:15,511 --> 00:34:18,014 At this point, I'm really upset. 595 00:34:18,514 --> 00:34:19,973 I'm fuming. 596 00:34:19,974 --> 00:34:22,143 This just did not feel right. 597 00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:24,145 At all. 598 00:34:24,645 --> 00:34:26,772 And there we have it. Handshake. 599 00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:28,691 Wow. What a result. 600 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:31,777 I take pleasure in knowing 601 00:34:31,778 --> 00:34:36,532 that he was one of the best players in the world for so long and I broke him. 602 00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:41,536 I think he was just so demoralized 603 00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:44,706 {\an8}because he's losing to such an idiot like me, you know. 604 00:34:44,707 --> 00:34:47,709 {\an8}It must be embarrassing for the world champion to lose to me. 605 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:48,628 {\an8}I feel bad for him. 606 00:34:49,587 --> 00:34:51,797 So the thing that's strange about this interview 607 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,091 is his explanations of some moves he played 608 00:34:54,092 --> 00:34:55,592 really just don't make sense. 609 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,845 {\an8}I was actually very fortunate that this opening came on the board. 610 00:34:58,846 --> 00:35:02,224 {\an8}- I looked at this today, and… - You guessed this opening? 611 00:35:02,225 --> 00:35:05,685 No, I didn't guess it, but some miracle, I had checked this today. 612 00:35:05,686 --> 00:35:09,898 There's so many possible openings in chess, we don't have time to name 613 00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:13,902 the, you know, thousands of possible variations of chess. 614 00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:18,865 And so, to say that he had looked at the one out of 10,000 615 00:35:18,866 --> 00:35:22,786 and been like, "Yeah, I'm gonna focus on this for a minute before my match," 616 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:27,999 like, it just didn't make any sense to anybody at all. 617 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,753 - But is it possible? Yes. I mean… - Sure. One in 10,000 chance! 618 00:35:31,754 --> 00:35:32,712 Anomalies happen. 619 00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:35,841 I have no idea why I would check such a ridiculous thing. 620 00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:38,510 Such a ridiculous miracle. 621 00:35:38,511 --> 00:35:41,596 That's a good word to describe what anomalies are. 622 00:35:41,597 --> 00:35:43,014 They are ridiculous miracles. 623 00:35:43,015 --> 00:35:47,394 - That answers my question. - That's okay, but it's only the beginning. 624 00:35:47,395 --> 00:35:50,021 Hans, thank you for joining us. Candid, as always. 625 00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:51,857 Congratulations on your performance. 626 00:35:51,858 --> 00:35:54,568 Definitely a big day for you, beating the world champion. 627 00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:55,861 Thank you for joining us. 628 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,990 Once I got back to my hotel room, I had this almost euphoric moment. 629 00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:01,575 Like I had made it. 630 00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:05,287 And now, life's gonna be good. I'm gonna be a great chess player. 631 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:09,375 I'm gonna be one of the best in the world. I went to bed feeling amazing. 632 00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:15,839 So, I watched the match between Hans and Magnus 633 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,134 in the hotel in St. Louis. 634 00:36:19,302 --> 00:36:21,511 {\an8}I was just kind of a bit sorry for Magnus. 635 00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:25,808 {\an8}I knew he would be annoyed. He didn't seem to play his best game. 636 00:36:27,602 --> 00:36:32,230 I didn't have any suspicions about what had happened 637 00:36:32,231 --> 00:36:35,610 until I met Magnus coming back from the playing hall. 638 00:36:37,486 --> 00:36:43,117 Magnus was kind of doing like this, "What is this?" 639 00:36:44,076 --> 00:36:46,620 And I thought, "What?" Then he explained basically 640 00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:50,582 that he had been highly suspicious from the start of the game. 641 00:36:50,583 --> 00:36:55,879 This was not Hans playing. He was playing some, some computer. 642 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,799 And I said, "What do you mean?" "He was cheating." 643 00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:05,181 I felt that I was not playing a human. 644 00:37:10,811 --> 00:37:14,440 Cheating has been happening in chess for hundreds of years. 645 00:37:15,566 --> 00:37:17,485 It goes back to the Mechanical Turk. 646 00:37:19,862 --> 00:37:24,075 People were losing to what seemed like an invisible force. 647 00:37:25,952 --> 00:37:30,497 But there was a human hidden under the chess board, making the moves. 648 00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:32,291 This was a parlor trick. 649 00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:38,421 Cheating, as we think about it now, 650 00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:44,011 is the act of accessing a chess computer to gain an edge on an opponent. 651 00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,806 Making a move, seeing opponent move, 652 00:37:47,807 --> 00:37:51,726 looking at a computer, saying, "Okay, next best move." Making the move. 653 00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:55,815 It's the culmination of human and AI knowledge, all put together. 654 00:37:56,315 --> 00:37:57,857 With a chess computer, 655 00:37:57,858 --> 00:38:01,487 you would beat Magnus Carlsen 1,000 out of 1,000 games. 656 00:38:02,363 --> 00:38:04,198 And it's available anywhere. 657 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:06,784 It's very, very easy to gain access. 658 00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:12,706 So, as far as online cheating goes, you could just reach for your phone 659 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:15,084 and put in the moves and go from there. 660 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,421 But cheating over the board is quite difficult, 661 00:38:19,422 --> 00:38:23,258 and the main reason for that is there's a much higher barrier to entry. 662 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:26,095 In other sports, you're cheatingbefore the event. 663 00:38:27,013 --> 00:38:30,682 High fastball. See you later! 664 00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:33,601 {\an8}9.79! 665 00:38:33,602 --> 00:38:37,982 But in chess, you have to be cheating right then in the moment. 666 00:38:39,358 --> 00:38:44,238 If people could get help from computers, they would just be unbeatable. 667 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:49,035 I know that I was way in my own head, 668 00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:52,912 I recognized that then, and I recognize that now, 669 00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,664 but that's the way it felt to me, 670 00:38:54,665 --> 00:38:57,792 both in Miami and also in the Sinquefield Cup, 671 00:38:57,793 --> 00:39:02,423 that this was somebody who had the ability to cheat. 672 00:39:03,382 --> 00:39:07,345 It was an unpleasant situation, but… yeah. 673 00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:12,557 The emotional toll of seeing your child suffer 674 00:39:12,558 --> 00:39:15,144 at, for instance, the chess board is significant. 675 00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:20,483 It was clear that Hans was a character that you can't really trust. 676 00:39:20,983 --> 00:39:24,528 He's a potential threat to the chess world. 677 00:39:25,279 --> 00:39:28,907 So, if we really suspect that something is going on, 678 00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:30,533 I would like clarity. 679 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,286 One way or the other. 680 00:39:34,747 --> 00:39:39,667 Magnus talked about going to Hans and knocking on his door. 681 00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,212 "Tell me, what's going on?" 682 00:39:42,963 --> 00:39:47,218 Well, that probably won't work, and it's a bit offensive also. 683 00:39:48,094 --> 00:39:51,889 So we need to talk to the people that might have information about this. 684 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:55,810 And I said, "I had a meeting with Danny Rensch this morning." 685 00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:59,354 "And I know he was gonna fly home, 686 00:39:59,355 --> 00:40:03,692 but I can try to ask him if he has any idea about this." 687 00:40:04,193 --> 00:40:05,860 It all happened very fast. 688 00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,697 When I landed, I landed to text messages from Henrik Carlsen 689 00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:12,367 and a request to have a call as soon as I could talk. 690 00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:16,162 And he said, "I know what you're gonna ask me about." 691 00:40:16,163 --> 00:40:17,914 I thought, "Wow." 692 00:40:17,915 --> 00:40:21,584 He was asking whether Hans Niemann had ever been caught 693 00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:23,753 cheating on Chess.com. 694 00:40:23,754 --> 00:40:26,881 And for most people, we punt on the answer, 695 00:40:26,882 --> 00:40:29,927 it's not your business, and for some people, we tell the truth. 696 00:40:30,553 --> 00:40:33,304 Because it's just not in our interest to create a scandal 697 00:40:33,305 --> 00:40:35,432 and we're not looking to defame anyone. 698 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,519 But the reality is, when people know, they know. 699 00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:47,527 When we found the first cheater on Chess.com, 700 00:40:47,528 --> 00:40:50,656 we had a pretty big existential crisis. 701 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:55,577 If we don't have the trust of the players playing on our platform, 702 00:40:55,578 --> 00:40:57,872 like, online chess would be dead. 703 00:40:59,081 --> 00:41:02,709 So, you start to look at the math, and build cheat-detection algorithms 704 00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:08,841 to help us understand what was human play and what was more-than-human play. 705 00:41:09,383 --> 00:41:11,050 Has there been an occasion 706 00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:13,219 where someone is accused of cheating online, 707 00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:15,430 and just like… you almost didn't believe it. 708 00:41:15,431 --> 00:41:17,932 You're like, "I know this person. They're a friend." 709 00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:19,476 The Hans Niemann case. 710 00:41:19,477 --> 00:41:22,521 I was the top person pushing back. 711 00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:27,525 {\an8}In the year 2020, during the pandemic, 712 00:41:27,526 --> 00:41:30,236 {\an8}whispers started amongst a couple of our staff members 713 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,238 that they were convinced Hans was cheating. 714 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,449 I didn't want to believe it. 715 00:41:34,366 --> 00:41:35,951 I'm injured, though. 716 00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:39,662 {\an8}We had been putting a lot of effort and resources and energy 717 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:42,750 and, frankly, love into the potential of Hans's career. 718 00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:46,377 {\an8}Unfortunately, when we peeled back the onion, 719 00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:48,046 we saw that Hans had been cheating 720 00:41:48,047 --> 00:41:50,590 borderline since the first day he joined Chess.com. 721 00:41:50,591 --> 00:41:52,051 {\an8}Yes! 722 00:41:53,052 --> 00:41:56,012 {\an8}Fuck yes! Yes! 723 00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:58,264 {\an8}We had to do what we had to do. 724 00:41:58,265 --> 00:42:01,267 {\an8}Talking to someone about the fact we've caught them cheating 725 00:42:01,268 --> 00:42:03,770 is a little bit of a well-rehearsed script for me, 726 00:42:03,771 --> 00:42:08,817 but… this call was unique in that Hans immediately started denying. 727 00:42:10,152 --> 00:42:12,488 "No, what are you talking about?" This and that. 728 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,534 And the moment I told him that this was no longer up for debate, 729 00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:18,577 he burst into tears. 730 00:42:19,828 --> 00:42:21,829 The thing he was most worried about was, 731 00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:25,751 "If you guys shut me down and I disappear, everyone's gonna know I cheated." 732 00:42:26,669 --> 00:42:29,672 Lucky for Hans, I'm gonna help this kid figure this out. 733 00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:32,840 He's gonna self-close his account. 734 00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:35,927 He'll tell his fans he's doing it 'cause he wants to start fresh 735 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:38,055 with a new username that's just for streaming. 736 00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:42,433 And in doing that, he's gonna have controlled the narrative to the community 737 00:42:42,434 --> 00:42:44,311 that he wasn't closed for cheating. 738 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:50,108 Honestly, I was surprised at the time of how generous you were being. 739 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:53,152 I wasn't looking for a scandal. I wasn't looking for a scandal. 740 00:42:53,153 --> 00:42:58,492 I'm still in big-brother, mentor mode. But that's when the call gets weird. 741 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,203 He started asking me specifics. 742 00:43:02,204 --> 00:43:05,040 Like, "What games exactly did I cheat in?" 743 00:43:06,417 --> 00:43:08,252 "Howdoes the algorithm work?" 744 00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:11,754 "Do you think I have ever cheated over the board?" 745 00:43:11,755 --> 00:43:16,634 It felt like, to me, that he was trying to pinpoint how we caught him. 746 00:43:16,635 --> 00:43:19,888 And that part of the phone call never left me. 747 00:43:20,723 --> 00:43:23,434 "Shit, we can never trust this kid again." 748 00:43:26,061 --> 00:43:29,897 So in those conversations with Magnus and Henrik, 749 00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,566 during the Sinquefield Cup, 750 00:43:31,567 --> 00:43:34,695 I also thought that Hans might have cheated over the board. 751 00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:41,492 For me, that was just like… that was the confirmation that I needed. 752 00:43:41,493 --> 00:43:43,829 This guy is cheating. 753 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:54,840 Why? 754 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:58,427 Why is he not showing up to the game? 755 00:43:59,803 --> 00:44:00,971 It's unprecedented. 756 00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:05,725 This is the Sinquefield Cup, this is not some random tournament that you ditch. 757 00:44:05,726 --> 00:44:08,646 You don't just not show up to the game. 758 00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:10,856 So I presumed that… 759 00:44:11,357 --> 00:44:14,568 He must have some reason to not want to play the tournament anymore. 760 00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:16,903 And there's his opponent saying, 761 00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:19,864 "My gosh, I came to play the world chess champion, 762 00:44:19,865 --> 00:44:21,949 and he's not here." 763 00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:25,496 Um, I'm told we have breaking news. 764 00:44:26,288 --> 00:44:29,540 There's a tweet from world chess champion Magnus Carlsen. 765 00:44:29,541 --> 00:44:32,794 Alejandro, what was the tweet, exactly, if you please? 766 00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:34,379 "I've withdrawn." 767 00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:37,465 "I've always enjoyed playing in the St Louis Chess club 768 00:44:37,466 --> 00:44:40,468 and hope to be back in the future." 769 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:43,721 I prefer really not to speak. 770 00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:45,849 If I speak, I am in big trouble. 771 00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:49,144 In big trouble. And I don't want to be in big trouble. 772 00:44:50,187 --> 00:44:52,022 Oh my gosh. 773 00:44:52,981 --> 00:44:57,026 It becomes very clear right away what Magnus is saying with this tweet. 774 00:44:57,027 --> 00:44:59,278 There's really no doubt about it, 775 00:44:59,279 --> 00:45:02,115 in my mind, I would say any top player's mind, 776 00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,952 especially in light of what we know is being said behind the scenes. 777 00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:09,540 It's obvious what it is. It's a cheating accusation. 778 00:45:11,375 --> 00:45:12,876 I was in disbelief. 779 00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:15,045 Don't understand how you could… 780 00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:18,173 How you could even think that would be possible. 781 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:26,806 It's just disappointing because you work your entire life, 782 00:45:26,807 --> 00:45:28,599 you beat the world champion, 783 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,394 and at the moment you should be praised and celebrated, 784 00:45:31,395 --> 00:45:33,939 this person that you've looked up to your whole life 785 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:37,984 then accuses you of cheating. 786 00:45:37,985 --> 00:45:41,988 Sometimes I feel like Magnus forgets how much power he has. 787 00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:44,867 And after this, all hell breaks loose. 788 00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:48,995 It's been absolute pandemonium in the chess world. 789 00:45:48,996 --> 00:45:50,747 What's going on? Why did he withdraw? 790 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:52,707 What am I even supposed to say? 791 00:45:52,708 --> 00:45:54,417 There's a lot of rumors already, 792 00:45:54,418 --> 00:45:59,131 {\an8}but probably some people have a decent idea of what he's alluding to. 793 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:02,091 He had no reason to be trusted, 794 00:46:02,092 --> 00:46:05,262 regardless of Magnus Carlsen lighting a fire. 795 00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:09,475 Everybody was coming to the same conclusion that Hans had cheated. 796 00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:13,269 And he had somehow gotten a signal from an earpiece 797 00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:16,148 or some other type of communication device. 798 00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:21,652 Everybody was going back and reviewing footage 799 00:46:21,653 --> 00:46:23,280 as to what could have happened. 800 00:46:23,781 --> 00:46:27,116 Did his jacket look a little bulky in this area? 801 00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:30,036 How come he's… his ankle is itchy all the time? 802 00:46:30,037 --> 00:46:34,207 {\an8}Protective gestures covering his neck, that is important to notice. 803 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:38,503 Every single part of his mannerisms got picked apart. 804 00:46:38,504 --> 00:46:40,755 If he has a cavity in his tooth, 805 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:42,548 could he take out the filling 806 00:46:42,549 --> 00:46:47,429 and input a small device that sends very small electroshocks or something? 807 00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:51,516 What level of grandiose cheating am I doing? 808 00:46:51,517 --> 00:46:55,687 And in this discussion, in one stream on Twitch, 809 00:46:56,313 --> 00:46:59,691 somebody in chat said… 810 00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:03,070 "Maybe it was anal beads." 811 00:47:04,238 --> 00:47:05,488 {\an8}That's probably a good one. 812 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:07,949 {\an8}An anal bead probably would beat the thing. 813 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:12,454 {\an8}I'm ser… the engine… I… It would probably… 814 00:47:13,997 --> 00:47:17,167 {\an8}I don't know. I really don't know. Like, think about it. I don't know. 815 00:47:18,126 --> 00:47:20,628 Talk about something getting out of control 816 00:47:20,629 --> 00:47:22,964 faster than anybody knew what was coming. 817 00:47:22,965 --> 00:47:27,636 The chess world has been rocked by rumors of anal beads. 818 00:47:28,679 --> 00:47:30,222 They call it "castling." 819 00:47:31,765 --> 00:47:35,560 It involved a vibrating sex toy in his rear quarters. 820 00:47:35,561 --> 00:47:39,981 Dude! He's using anal beads Morse code! 821 00:47:39,982 --> 00:47:43,317 I mean, the theory is that basically someone had some anal beads. 822 00:47:43,318 --> 00:47:45,278 And I'm obviously… I'm no expert at it, 823 00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:48,364 but I think it's you get some sort of signal from the beads. 824 00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:49,907 It sort of became the truth. 825 00:47:49,908 --> 00:47:52,285 Suddenly, it became this legitimate theory. 826 00:47:52,286 --> 00:47:56,080 {\an8}…player was able to communicate by flexing his anus, 827 00:47:56,081 --> 00:47:58,416 {\an8}which apparently communicated to a computer. 828 00:47:58,417 --> 00:48:00,418 {\an8}I mean, this is extraordinary stuff. 829 00:48:00,419 --> 00:48:02,713 People on Twitter started talking about it, 830 00:48:03,797 --> 00:48:07,049 and then my own children said, 831 00:48:07,050 --> 00:48:13,598 "Did you see that Elon Musk retweeted about wireless anal beads?" 832 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,058 {\an8}Sending the chess world into chaos. 833 00:48:16,059 --> 00:48:19,062 {\an8}One buzz means a bishop, two buzzes means a knight. 834 00:48:19,688 --> 00:48:23,024 And it sort of exploded. Joe Rogan was talking about it. 835 00:48:23,025 --> 00:48:26,736 "Chess grandmaster denies cheating by using anal beads." 836 00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:30,407 {\an8}Yeah, I mean, the thing is, I like to win. 837 00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,869 {\an8}But do I like it that much? 838 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:37,788 It was, like, mainstream news. Front page. 839 00:48:37,789 --> 00:48:41,000 I get why someone would use vibrating anal beads to cheat. 840 00:48:41,001 --> 00:48:44,212 Because even if you lose, you still kind of win, you know? 841 00:48:45,088 --> 00:48:48,090 When I was offered a million dollars to play chess naked, 842 00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:51,218 people were telling me to take Adam & Eve sponsorships. 843 00:48:51,219 --> 00:48:52,554 "No, thank you." 844 00:48:53,472 --> 00:48:58,184 I do think the anal implant is a genuine concern. 845 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:02,146 We had our COVID bump, we had ourQueen's Gambit bump… 846 00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:05,816 - The beads bump was real. - The beads bump. 847 00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:08,319 Anal beads have been super good to us. 848 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,072 - Can I just say-- - Don't use that! 849 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,539 They enjoyed it. They took pleasure in it. 850 00:49:20,707 --> 00:49:23,168 And it was sad to see my life's work just, like, 851 00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:25,712 burn in front of my eyes. 852 00:49:30,592 --> 00:49:33,887 Yeah, I think that people, they might laugh about it… 853 00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:38,557 but there's actually a very sad story behind it. 854 00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:41,019 …even if you lose, you still kind of win, you know? 855 00:49:42,729 --> 00:49:44,731 Knight to king seven! 856 00:49:49,611 --> 00:49:53,572 Yesterday I probably had to explain that I didn't use anal beads 857 00:49:53,573 --> 00:49:55,866 about five different times to five different people. 858 00:49:55,867 --> 00:49:58,828 That's what my life and all my accomplishments 859 00:49:58,829 --> 00:50:02,541 and all my work has been boiled down to fucking anal beads. 860 00:50:03,125 --> 00:50:06,002 Players arriving for the game. 861 00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:10,256 Exactly, as the players get checked with all the electronic gizmos 862 00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:12,299 that we can possibly muster. 863 00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:14,010 We can see Hans Niemann already. 864 00:50:14,011 --> 00:50:15,636 He arrived to the playing venue, 865 00:50:15,637 --> 00:50:19,432 and he's carefully checked by the chief arbiter of the event… 866 00:50:19,433 --> 00:50:21,976 Of course, they had to make a mockery of me. 867 00:50:21,977 --> 00:50:23,478 They were trying to humiliate me. 868 00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:31,819 But as we saw, he got delayed by the security at check. 869 00:50:31,820 --> 00:50:34,113 That's a very serious wanding. 870 00:50:34,114 --> 00:50:37,700 I felt like everywhere I walked in this hotel, someone was watching me. 871 00:50:37,701 --> 00:50:40,995 I told myself I had to fight, but I was not in the mental state 872 00:50:40,996 --> 00:50:42,788 to play chess, unfortunately. 873 00:50:42,789 --> 00:50:45,916 They played kind of in a very normal fashion 874 00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:49,920 up until move nine, and then Hans went for a setup 875 00:50:49,921 --> 00:50:54,216 which I don't believe I've seen before at all. 876 00:50:54,217 --> 00:50:57,219 Every day I'd finish my game and see all the news, 877 00:50:57,220 --> 00:51:00,098 the new articles, and I couldn't focus. 878 00:51:01,266 --> 00:51:03,350 - Whoa. - Whoa. Yeah. 879 00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:05,520 Everything I know about chess 880 00:51:07,481 --> 00:51:09,441 indicates this is a terrible move. 881 00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:11,192 It was just my life. 882 00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:13,445 I just knew I was gonna be fucked for a while. 883 00:51:14,946 --> 00:51:19,492 Since this whole thing, controversy of the last few days, 884 00:51:19,493 --> 00:51:20,910 it's been impossible for him. 885 00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:22,286 It's a wonder he held… 886 00:51:22,287 --> 00:51:25,832 He held on for so long before it started coming unglued. 887 00:51:26,374 --> 00:51:29,543 There was a point where I was looking in the mirror, and I'm like, 888 00:51:29,544 --> 00:51:31,378 "What am I gonna do?" 889 00:51:31,379 --> 00:51:36,675 And at last, we have Hans Niemann in studio with Alejandro. 890 00:51:36,676 --> 00:51:39,220 Hans, we gotta speak about the elephant in the room. 891 00:51:39,221 --> 00:51:41,263 You've asked to have some words. 892 00:51:41,264 --> 00:51:43,724 Before the interview, I told him. 893 00:51:43,725 --> 00:51:46,894 I told the interviewer, "I want you to let me speak uninterrupted." 894 00:51:46,895 --> 00:51:50,940 And in that interview, I let everything out to public. 895 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:53,567 Okay, so this is what happened, when I was 16 years old, 896 00:51:53,568 --> 00:51:57,321 during my streaming career, in an absolutely ridiculous mistake, 897 00:51:57,322 --> 00:51:59,990 I wanted to get higher rated to play stronger players, 898 00:51:59,991 --> 00:52:02,701 so I cheated in random games on Chess.com. 899 00:52:02,702 --> 00:52:04,995 Now, I was confronted, I confessed, 900 00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:09,041 and this is the single biggest mistake of my life, and I am completely ashamed, 901 00:52:09,042 --> 00:52:13,212 and I am telling the world because I do not want any misrepresentation, 902 00:52:13,213 --> 00:52:14,714 and I do not want rumors. 903 00:52:15,465 --> 00:52:18,634 {\an8}If you were to ask me how many games I cheated in online 904 00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:20,219 when I'm 12 or 13… 905 00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:21,887 Oh my God, okay. 906 00:52:21,888 --> 00:52:23,764 I think it was nine games. 907 00:52:23,765 --> 00:52:24,975 So it's one tournament. 908 00:52:25,809 --> 00:52:27,310 Around the age of 16… 909 00:52:29,229 --> 00:52:32,691 Maybe… 20 to 30. 910 00:52:33,191 --> 00:52:34,484 Maybe a little mo… I don't… 911 00:52:35,777 --> 00:52:38,530 {\an8}I was a complex person who made mistakes. 912 00:52:40,031 --> 00:52:41,824 You make mistakes as a kid. 913 00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:44,201 Doesn't mean that through every single thing 914 00:52:44,202 --> 00:52:47,747 that you do for the rest of your life should be discredited. 915 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:50,749 He truly is just a Jekyll-and-Hyde human being. 916 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:53,587 An immense talent with a ton of issues. 917 00:52:54,796 --> 00:52:57,339 He admitted to just enough to garner sympathy, 918 00:52:57,340 --> 00:53:00,092 ensuring that anything we would say after that 919 00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:02,428 would make us look like the big bad guys. 920 00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:04,014 It was exactly the right play. 921 00:53:05,307 --> 00:53:06,682 Then after the game, 922 00:53:06,683 --> 00:53:09,519 I went to go on Chess.com to log into my account. 923 00:53:10,729 --> 00:53:12,146 Password wasn't working. 924 00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:15,024 Because of this game against Magnus, because of what he said, 925 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,277 they have decided to completely remove me from their website. 926 00:53:18,278 --> 00:53:20,196 - Did they give a reasoning? - No reason. 927 00:53:20,197 --> 00:53:22,698 That was a permanent ban from Chess.com, 928 00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:25,784 and they removed my invitation from the Global Chess Championship 929 00:53:25,785 --> 00:53:27,996 with a first prize of 200,000 dollars. 930 00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:29,789 It was all… 931 00:53:31,499 --> 00:53:32,667 very well-timed. 932 00:53:34,127 --> 00:53:36,837 I'm like, you can be mad that I'm unfair to you now. 933 00:53:36,838 --> 00:53:38,923 I was probably too fair to you before. 934 00:53:38,924 --> 00:53:42,052 You lied and you cheated multiple times. 935 00:53:42,636 --> 00:53:46,222 The truth is, Magnus Carlsen's actions were the catalyst 936 00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:49,683 to a pot that was much closer to boiling than people know. 937 00:53:49,684 --> 00:53:53,479 I didn't know what I was dealing with. I acted and removed Hans Niemann 938 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,732 because I could no longer punt or kick the can down the road 939 00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:59,944 on the fact that I didn't know whether Hans was cheating again. 940 00:53:59,945 --> 00:54:01,738 That's the reason we removed him. 941 00:54:02,447 --> 00:54:07,368 Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to be honest and speak the truth about all my enemies. 942 00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:08,744 Welcome, everyone, 943 00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:12,081 to the closing ceremony of this year's Sinquefield Cup. 944 00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:14,042 Hello, Hans. 945 00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:18,337 I was happy the tournament was over because I couldn't handle it. 946 00:54:18,338 --> 00:54:19,422 …be here with everyone. 947 00:54:20,257 --> 00:54:23,677 Why was I banned at the exact same time that Magnus accused me of cheating? 948 00:54:24,678 --> 00:54:26,429 It's not a fucking coincidence. 949 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,811 It's all connected. 950 00:54:36,022 --> 00:54:38,315 They banned me because they're in the process 951 00:54:38,316 --> 00:54:41,319 of finalizing the most important merger of chess history. 952 00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:47,908 A merger that will give them complete, untouchable power over the chess world. 953 00:54:47,909 --> 00:54:51,578 You know, if Magnus wants to come and party, he can or not. 954 00:54:51,579 --> 00:54:53,789 People would fucking come to this. 955 00:54:53,790 --> 00:54:55,875 They're buying Magnus Carlsen. 956 00:55:05,343 --> 00:55:08,847 {\an8}Play Magnus Group was a group of 13 companies. 957 00:55:09,556 --> 00:55:12,099 They were one of our main rivals 958 00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:16,271 and kept Magnus Carlsen from participating on Chess.com. 959 00:55:16,938 --> 00:55:21,358 {\an8}Not having Magnus Carlsen on Chess.com was like the NBA 960 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:24,904 but LeBron James was competing in a separate basketball league. 961 00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:30,744 And so we eventually made an offer to buy them out. 962 00:55:31,244 --> 00:55:33,747 You know, paid roughly 80 million dollars. 963 00:55:37,208 --> 00:55:39,084 The timing could not have been worse. 964 00:55:39,085 --> 00:55:43,047 If someone writes a story, it's like, these pieces that randomly fit together, 965 00:55:43,048 --> 00:55:46,925 it almost looks like this great conspiracy where this happened, that happened. 966 00:55:46,926 --> 00:55:48,552 It was all part of the grand plan. 967 00:55:48,553 --> 00:55:53,058 I'm just a little speck, a little ant that they decided to step on and destroy. 968 00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:55,726 There's no denying there was pressure 969 00:55:55,727 --> 00:55:58,104 to remove Hans during the Sinquefield Cup. 970 00:55:59,356 --> 00:56:02,649 But I stand by that we did not remove Hans Niemann because of pressure. 971 00:56:02,650 --> 00:56:04,736 Of course it's fucking coordinated. 972 00:56:05,236 --> 00:56:07,321 They have to pander to their business partner Magnus. 973 00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:09,865 You know, they can't upset him too much, 974 00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:13,369 or otherwise he'll throw another tantrum, and when a baby starts crying, 975 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:15,538 you have to give them something to shut them up. 976 00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:19,541 You think Magnus's manager isn't on the phone with Danny Rensch? 977 00:56:19,542 --> 00:56:23,880 "You know, merger this, merger that." And, "You know Hans Niemann? Yeah." 978 00:56:24,881 --> 00:56:30,553 I don't know how the Niemann case would impact that one way or the other. 979 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:34,556 It was just that we were future team members 980 00:56:34,557 --> 00:56:39,270 that wanted, uh, to help each other, basically. 981 00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:43,107 I understood that I put myself 982 00:56:43,108 --> 00:56:45,402 in the crosshairs of some very powerful people. 983 00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:58,664 Henrik and Magnus wanted to know 984 00:56:58,665 --> 00:57:01,792 if Chess.com's anti-cheat technology 985 00:57:01,793 --> 00:57:04,336 could be used to investigate 986 00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:09,634 if Hans had cheated in any over-the-board games. 987 00:57:10,593 --> 00:57:12,886 Whether it was on his meteoric rise 988 00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:16,932 or during the Sinquefield Cup, they were asking us, like, can you do it? 989 00:57:16,933 --> 00:57:20,478 We were just looking for objective information, basically. 990 00:57:21,062 --> 00:57:23,064 And our response was like… 991 00:57:25,942 --> 00:57:27,484 - We'll take a look. - We'll try. 992 00:57:27,485 --> 00:57:28,861 - We'll try. - We'll try. 993 00:57:28,862 --> 00:57:30,989 We're gonna find out. Right now. 994 00:57:31,948 --> 00:57:33,867 Danny convinced me that, 995 00:57:34,492 --> 00:57:38,203 "Our algorithm is good at detecting cheating over the board." 996 00:57:38,204 --> 00:57:41,332 And I believed that, uh, absolutely. 997 00:57:41,958 --> 00:57:44,751 Chess.com has the best cheat detection. 998 00:57:44,752 --> 00:57:45,920 Period. 999 00:57:46,463 --> 00:57:48,505 There's no reason to dance around that. 1000 00:57:48,506 --> 00:57:52,010 Hans Niemann said it himself. It's not even close. 1001 00:57:53,553 --> 00:57:57,097 We have a huge anti-cheat department. 1002 00:57:57,098 --> 00:57:59,391 We put the most people on it, 1003 00:57:59,392 --> 00:58:02,102 the most amount of money and resources into it. 1004 00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:05,981 With the biggest server farms that are crunching the numbers. 1005 00:58:05,982 --> 00:58:08,525 We have all the data, all the algorithms. 1006 00:58:08,526 --> 00:58:10,402 Like, let's go. I want to find this. 1007 00:58:10,403 --> 00:58:13,071 I'm gonna launch the world's greatest investigation 1008 00:58:13,072 --> 00:58:18,076 to find out how this little cheating kid gamed the system and beat the champion. 1009 00:58:18,077 --> 00:58:20,330 I'm gonna solve this mystery. 1010 00:58:22,707 --> 00:58:25,834 So many people came out of the woodwork 1011 00:58:25,835 --> 00:58:29,630 to provide Chess.com with evidence that Hans had cheated. 1012 00:58:29,631 --> 00:58:31,882 I was running down every single story. 1013 00:58:31,883 --> 00:58:34,843 I'm gonna look at every single game he's ever played. 1014 00:58:34,844 --> 00:58:39,932 We did a very thorough job investigating all of Hans's games online. 1015 00:58:39,933 --> 00:58:44,228 It was eye-opening 'cause he had cheated way more than even we thought. 1016 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:46,564 The online cheating was rampant. 1017 00:58:47,232 --> 00:58:50,735 He had cheated in well over 100 online games. 1018 00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:56,991 I was like, there's so much smoke here, there has to be fire. 1019 00:58:59,869 --> 00:59:03,580 And I thought the truth was that Hans Niemann cheated over the board 1020 00:59:03,581 --> 00:59:05,166 at the 2022 Sinquefield Cup. 1021 00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:10,838 I thought that that was going to be the end of this story. 1022 00:59:17,804 --> 00:59:20,055 {\an8}A development in the cheating scandal 1023 00:59:20,056 --> 00:59:21,723 that's rocked the world of chess. 1024 00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:24,434 {\an8}A 72-page investigation from Chess.com 1025 00:59:24,435 --> 00:59:28,146 {\an8}found no evidence that Niemann had cheated in his game against Carlsen 1026 00:59:28,147 --> 00:59:31,066 {\an8}or in any over-the-board games. 1027 00:59:31,067 --> 00:59:36,114 There's nothing in our investigation to raise any red flags regarding his… 1028 00:59:38,074 --> 00:59:42,035 That's a crazy sentence to read right now. 1029 00:59:42,036 --> 00:59:47,291 Everybody wanted this to be true. Everyone wanted this to be true. 1030 00:59:47,292 --> 00:59:52,004 And, like, I felt like I was in the chair ultimately at the end, 1031 00:59:52,005 --> 00:59:55,215 saying, "Sorry, everyone, like, 1032 00:59:55,216 --> 00:59:59,886 this isn't what is being shown in the data." 1033 00:59:59,887 --> 01:00:01,722 I was arguing with Erik, 1034 01:00:01,723 --> 01:00:04,975 "What do you mean, the data isn't saying that he's cheating?" 1035 01:00:04,976 --> 01:00:10,480 As time went on, every theory, every accusation fell apart. 1036 01:00:10,481 --> 01:00:12,691 The over-the-board evidence wasn't there. 1037 01:00:12,692 --> 01:00:15,652 I thought that we were gonna, like, set the world free 1038 01:00:15,653 --> 01:00:18,030 on the fact that we solved this incredible mystery. 1039 01:00:18,031 --> 01:00:21,366 And in fact, in the end, it looked like we fucked up. 1040 01:00:21,367 --> 01:00:24,411 Of course they wanted to find some smoking gun or some proof like, 1041 01:00:24,412 --> 01:00:25,830 but it didn't exist. 1042 01:00:26,331 --> 01:00:28,790 So it just, unfortunately for them, I'm innocent. 1043 01:00:28,791 --> 01:00:30,501 I always have been innocent. 1044 01:00:31,002 --> 01:00:33,003 We stood before Magnus Carlsen, 1045 01:00:33,004 --> 01:00:35,714 this brand-new working marriage of companies together 1046 01:00:35,715 --> 01:00:39,552 and said what they didn't want to hear, which is that Hans Niemann was innocent. 1047 01:00:40,178 --> 01:00:42,346 That was some of the hardest shit we had to do. 1048 01:00:42,347 --> 01:00:44,140 And it's the stuff people don't know. 1049 01:00:45,016 --> 01:00:47,351 This is how they operate. 1050 01:00:47,352 --> 01:00:48,644 They talk a lot. 1051 01:00:48,645 --> 01:00:54,399 I've had to tell, especially Danny, a few times, like, can you just use 1052 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,319 a bit fewer words to say what you want to say? 1053 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,738 I don't want all the bullshit. 1054 01:00:59,489 --> 01:01:01,199 They didn't have the smoking gun. 1055 01:01:02,367 --> 01:01:04,951 I felt pretty bad. 1056 01:01:04,952 --> 01:01:08,372 I felt that… I'd sort of been gaslit a bit 1057 01:01:08,373 --> 01:01:12,209 by Danny and Chess.com into thinking that they had evidence 1058 01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:14,961 which they really didn't. 1059 01:01:14,962 --> 01:01:19,509 That's the sort of… the ace that I felt that I had all the time. 1060 01:01:20,093 --> 01:01:25,013 In retrospect, maybe Chess.com was so concerned 1061 01:01:25,014 --> 01:01:26,848 about the relationship to Magnus, 1062 01:01:26,849 --> 01:01:30,435 they might have promised a little bit more than they could deliver. 1063 01:01:30,436 --> 01:01:34,147 It just didn't… just didn't happen. 1064 01:01:34,148 --> 01:01:37,901 So that left me in a bit of a strange situation. 1065 01:01:37,902 --> 01:01:39,362 What to do now? 1066 01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:43,199 I don't mean to be, you know, 1067 01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:47,953 zealous here, but everyone's day of judgment comes. 1068 01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:51,206 The teenage chess grandmaster accused of cheating last month, 1069 01:01:51,207 --> 01:01:54,167 now suing his accusers for 100 million dollars. 1070 01:01:54,168 --> 01:01:57,672 That's according to a lawsuit he filed in federal court yesterday. 1071 01:01:58,172 --> 01:02:02,509 We got the news that he'd filed a lawsuit, 1072 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:05,345 suing, you know, everybody and their dog. 1073 01:02:05,346 --> 01:02:08,807 The filing reads, in part, "Enraged that the young Niemann 1074 01:02:08,808 --> 01:02:11,226 dared to disrespect the 'King of Chess,' 1075 01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:13,353 and fearful the prodigy would further blemish 1076 01:02:13,354 --> 01:02:16,273 his multimillion-dollar brand by beating him again, 1077 01:02:16,274 --> 01:02:18,317 Carlsen maliciously retaliated." 1078 01:02:18,818 --> 01:02:20,361 It was a bit too much. 1079 01:02:21,529 --> 01:02:25,323 Claiming this whole conspiracy against one kid, 1080 01:02:25,324 --> 01:02:30,455 like, maybe he believes this, which I really don't think. 1081 01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:35,250 This facade that he puts up in interviews and media training, 1082 01:02:35,251 --> 01:02:37,085 it's all a complete joke. 1083 01:02:37,086 --> 01:02:39,213 Even his friends don't like him. 1084 01:02:39,714 --> 01:02:43,800 His friends will… Like… "He's like unbearable even to be around." 1085 01:02:43,801 --> 01:02:49,015 All of his friends would be telling me about how annoying it is to be around him. 1086 01:02:49,724 --> 01:02:53,478 I sued them because they lied and they conspired 1087 01:02:54,061 --> 01:02:56,230 and they destroyed my entire career and life. 1088 01:02:56,731 --> 01:02:59,776 They made a mockery of me, and they all did it in coordination. 1089 01:03:00,443 --> 01:03:02,445 And no one's denying that. 1090 01:03:03,237 --> 01:03:06,364 I'm the one who had the most personal relationship with Hans. 1091 01:03:06,365 --> 01:03:10,660 A talented young man individually, normally focused on only your own chess… 1092 01:03:10,661 --> 01:03:13,789 It's just hard 'cause when you get sued for 100 million dollars, 1093 01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:18,502 it is the biggest punch in the gut, the most mind-blowing experience. 1094 01:03:18,503 --> 01:03:21,588 Like, I don't have 100 million dollars, FYI. 1095 01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:24,884 Like, that's not something that is, like, that is there. 1096 01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:28,970 I certainly don't think that he's a mentor to me now. 1097 01:03:28,971 --> 01:03:32,432 Actually, you know, I think all the terrible things he's done 1098 01:03:32,433 --> 01:03:34,226 has inspired me so much. 1099 01:03:34,227 --> 01:03:37,646 So, whatever the opposite of a mentor is… 1100 01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:40,023 It's a mentor but in the worst possible way. 1101 01:03:40,024 --> 01:03:43,819 So he has the effect of a mentor by inspiring me and invigorating me 1102 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:45,780 to destroy all of them. 1103 01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:48,782 Have you not seen what the guy has done to me? 1104 01:03:48,783 --> 01:03:52,577 {\an8}Have you ever used anal beads while playing chess? 1105 01:03:52,578 --> 01:03:55,247 {\an8}Not a question I thought I'd ask a guest, to be honest. 1106 01:03:55,248 --> 01:03:58,751 {\an8}That interview was a good example of what my life has become, right? 1107 01:03:59,252 --> 01:04:01,712 It's anal beads this, anal beads that. I have to live with that. 1108 01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:05,215 {\an8}Well, your curiosity is a bit concerning. 1109 01:04:05,216 --> 01:04:08,803 {\an8}Maybe you're personally interested, but I can tell you no. 1110 01:04:09,303 --> 01:04:10,888 {\an8}Okay, categoric no. 1111 01:04:11,556 --> 01:04:14,392 Just the fact that how Hans 1112 01:04:16,185 --> 01:04:18,687 survived through this process 1113 01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:22,482 and even seemed to "thrive" on this noise, 1114 01:04:22,483 --> 01:04:27,488 it's, uh, it's very impressive and nearly disturbing. 1115 01:04:28,906 --> 01:04:32,285 Magnus Carlsen, are you still suing him for 100 million dollars? 1116 01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:35,872 The case has been resolved, Piers. 1117 01:04:37,665 --> 01:04:40,166 There was obviously the settlement. 1118 01:04:40,167 --> 01:04:41,668 Um… 1119 01:04:41,669 --> 01:04:44,005 And, mind you, I didn't want to settle. 1120 01:04:44,672 --> 01:04:51,553 But also, the US legal system sucks, and it's really expensive. 1121 01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:53,139 He can't look me in the eye. 1122 01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:57,226 He's, like, literally afraid to even be close to me. 1123 01:04:58,978 --> 01:05:00,354 It's traumatic for him. 1124 01:05:01,188 --> 01:05:03,315 If he had to shake my hand, or look me in the eye, 1125 01:05:03,316 --> 01:05:05,567 he'd collapse, he'd throw a tantrum. 1126 01:05:05,568 --> 01:05:09,029 I think it's very likely that I'll play him again. 1127 01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:11,323 But he needs to get a bit better 1128 01:05:11,324 --> 01:05:14,785 to play me in proper, like, over-the-board tournaments. 1129 01:05:24,170 --> 01:05:28,048 I'm joined by Magnus Carlsen on the evening before the first match 1130 01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:31,552 {\an8}of the 2024 Speed Chess Championship in Paris, France. 1131 01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:34,179 Let's address the elephant in the room, 1132 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:37,642 your semifinal matchup is against Hans Niemann. 1133 01:05:38,392 --> 01:05:39,894 You've never had a villain. 1134 01:05:42,229 --> 01:05:45,398 How does it feel to have this kind of presence in your life now? 1135 01:05:45,399 --> 01:05:48,444 Which, it will not go away so long as you are competing. 1136 01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:53,823 Carlsen has avoided the youngster, who is now rapidly climbing the charts 1137 01:05:53,824 --> 01:05:56,118 and defeating super grandmasters. 1138 01:05:58,746 --> 01:06:04,668 Niemann has certainly become a lot better at chess the last couple of years, 1139 01:06:04,669 --> 01:06:08,338 and it's a matchup I certainly didn't… didn't want. 1140 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:11,091 The press conference is gonna be up here. 1141 01:06:11,092 --> 01:06:14,344 - Where's the press conference? Here? - It's gonna be right here. 1142 01:06:14,345 --> 01:06:16,221 I don't do exclusives. 1143 01:06:16,222 --> 01:06:17,889 It's not a matter of an exclusive, 1144 01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:21,643 it's just a matter of we're a broadcaster of the tournament. 1145 01:06:21,644 --> 01:06:23,603 You gotta be allowed to have a civil conversation. 1146 01:06:23,604 --> 01:06:24,438 Oh, really? 1147 01:06:25,564 --> 01:06:29,235 The fact that Hans is here is just, like… it is mind-blowing. 1148 01:06:29,735 --> 01:06:31,444 If someone from Chess.com tells me 1149 01:06:31,445 --> 01:06:33,571 I am contractually obliged, then I will do it. 1150 01:06:33,572 --> 01:06:34,823 I've done my part. 1151 01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,908 He's gotten so much fucking better. 1152 01:06:36,909 --> 01:06:38,618 He's playing the best chess of his career. 1153 01:06:38,619 --> 01:06:41,830 Like, there was no anticipating this. 1154 01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:46,418 It's going to be interesting from a pure chess perspective 1155 01:06:46,419 --> 01:06:48,504 to see what he can do. 1156 01:06:49,213 --> 01:06:53,133 What's your main feeling about this matchup with Magnus? 1157 01:06:53,134 --> 01:06:54,509 Is it excitement? 1158 01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:57,595 Is it relief that you can finally play him again? 1159 01:06:57,596 --> 01:07:00,641 - Is this revenge? - It's pure serenity. 1160 01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:02,393 Very calm. 1161 01:07:04,854 --> 01:07:08,982 If he loses this match, it'll be the greatest stain on his legacy 1162 01:07:08,983 --> 01:07:10,985 because he put his entire career on the line. 1163 01:07:12,653 --> 01:07:15,071 All right. We are here for the match of the day, 1164 01:07:15,072 --> 01:07:16,990 the one everyone has been waiting for. 1165 01:07:16,991 --> 01:07:19,034 How's the crowd feeling about today's match? 1166 01:07:19,035 --> 01:07:21,202 Let's go. Let's hear some energy from the… 1167 01:07:21,203 --> 01:07:23,205 Whoo! 1168 01:07:24,832 --> 01:07:26,584 It's time. 1169 01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:31,254 Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, okay. 1170 01:07:31,255 --> 01:07:36,844 Our first player of today's match, grandmaster Magnus Carlsen. 1171 01:07:38,554 --> 01:07:42,140 There's always a little bit of fear, 1172 01:07:42,141 --> 01:07:44,976 playing against somebody whom you don't really trust. 1173 01:07:44,977 --> 01:07:49,023 And his opponent, grandmaster Hans Niemann. 1174 01:07:50,024 --> 01:07:52,984 There's a lot of history. There's a lot on the line emotionally, 1175 01:07:52,985 --> 01:07:55,028 especially for Hans Niemann. 1176 01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:56,696 You see him there. He's locked in. 1177 01:07:56,697 --> 01:07:59,240 He wants this one more than anything in the world. 1178 01:07:59,241 --> 01:08:03,495 This is the culmination of a two-year saga. 1179 01:08:03,496 --> 01:08:06,372 Almost two years to the day. 1180 01:08:06,373 --> 01:08:08,625 Everyone has been waiting for this matchup. 1181 01:08:08,626 --> 01:08:12,128 The first time that they are sitting across from each other in two years. 1182 01:08:12,129 --> 01:08:15,965 Your life is defined by critical moments. And you have chances and opportunities. 1183 01:08:15,966 --> 01:08:19,010 This is one of these opportunities. And I will rip him to shreds. 1184 01:08:19,011 --> 01:08:23,932 There is potential for this to spiral if things start the wrong way. 1185 01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:25,309 There's no doubt about that. 1186 01:08:26,936 --> 01:08:28,311 We've got drama. 1187 01:08:28,312 --> 01:08:29,813 We've got action. 1188 01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:32,441 And we are gonna have chess in less than ten seconds. 1189 01:08:33,442 --> 01:08:35,944 Can I get an amen? 1190 01:08:35,945 --> 01:08:39,990 Life is truly poetic, and I think that this is the most poetic ending. 1191 01:08:40,699 --> 01:08:41,575 I'm here in Paris. 1192 01:08:44,328 --> 01:08:46,580 It's the best place for revolutions. 1193 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,252 Bring out the guillotine. 1194 01:08:56,173 --> 01:08:59,926 Wow. A4 played by Hans. He's trying to explode the queen side. 1195 01:08:59,927 --> 01:09:01,469 Magnus darts to the center. 1196 01:09:01,470 --> 01:09:04,639 You see Hans bobbing there and getting angry. Can he convert? 1197 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,558 What a decision from Magnus Carlsen. 1198 01:09:06,559 --> 01:09:08,601 Only Hans can win-- I'm wrong! 1199 01:09:08,602 --> 01:09:10,938 Gets himself in trouble! It's almost mate! 1200 01:09:13,566 --> 01:09:17,444 This is gonna be a nasty finish here, and this finally will end the match. 1201 01:09:18,028 --> 01:09:20,905 Seriously, the guy just got it done in a match. 1202 01:09:20,906 --> 01:09:24,409 What an incredible performance. 1203 01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:28,413 Magnus Carlsen, the world number one, just took down Hans Niemann. 1204 01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:32,125 A player who is maybe one of the best known players on the planet 1205 01:09:32,126 --> 01:09:34,210 for some things off the board, 1206 01:09:34,211 --> 01:09:36,546 but his play on the board, it wasn't quite enough, 1207 01:09:36,547 --> 01:09:39,382 and Magnus Carlsen, he made him pay. 1208 01:09:39,383 --> 01:09:42,844 Magnus Carlsen dominated this match, 1209 01:09:42,845 --> 01:09:46,264 and whatever Hans Niemann thinks that means, 1210 01:09:46,265 --> 01:09:48,099 and whatever statement that sends… 1211 01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:51,103 Chess is not gonna be speaking for itself tomorrow, guys. 1212 01:09:53,272 --> 01:09:55,274 Remember that summer 1213 01:09:55,816 --> 01:09:58,611 You were number one 1214 01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:05,701 But everybody said that Lord, you deserve to have won 1215 01:10:07,578 --> 01:10:12,541 And I say to you That I deserve to win too 1216 01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:16,503 Well, I'm better for that 1217 01:10:17,129 --> 01:10:19,048 Thanks to you 1218 01:10:22,218 --> 01:10:24,428 It's not the worst city to lose in. 1219 01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:30,893 He always said that he wanted the chess to speak for itself. 1220 01:10:31,602 --> 01:10:34,939 He wanted to settle things not in the courtroom, 1221 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:37,816 but on the chessboard, so… 1222 01:10:41,195 --> 01:10:43,238 I might have lost on the chess board, 1223 01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:46,449 but on my end, I'm doing pretty fucking well. 1224 01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:49,161 As a lone warrior against a legion. 1225 01:10:51,038 --> 01:10:53,623 Even though my entire life and career has been destroyed 1226 01:10:53,624 --> 01:10:58,002 and I'll have to live with the fact that every conversation I have about chess, 1227 01:10:58,003 --> 01:10:59,463 we'll eventually discuss anal beads. 1228 01:11:00,339 --> 01:11:05,302 I am a man on a mission, and they've made it my life's purpose to win. 1229 01:11:05,886 --> 01:11:08,430 I'm gonna be a stone-cold killer for the rest of my life. 1230 01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:14,353 There's something about Hans 1231 01:11:14,853 --> 01:11:17,147 that creates an uneasiness inside of me. 1232 01:11:18,148 --> 01:11:20,109 How do you explain Hans Niemann? 1233 01:11:21,151 --> 01:11:24,654 You know, now you have the Norwegian world champion, 1234 01:11:24,655 --> 01:11:26,073 a god among men, 1235 01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:29,075 the most dominant chess player of the modern generation, 1236 01:11:29,076 --> 01:11:30,577 and it's not even close. 1237 01:11:31,453 --> 01:11:33,414 And then there's the kid. 1238 01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:36,875 The kid who had the beads? 1239 01:11:39,378 --> 01:11:42,880 He's now one of the most recognizable, infamous people 1240 01:11:42,881 --> 01:11:44,675 to ever play the game of chess. 1241 01:11:45,467 --> 01:11:48,929 And in my opinion, he lost the person that he was along the way. 1242 01:11:50,472 --> 01:11:52,849 They're just a complete chess mafia, really. 1243 01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:54,727 That's it. 1244 01:11:55,936 --> 01:12:00,189 And I just cannot wait for Magnus, while he's old and disheveled 1245 01:12:00,190 --> 01:12:02,442 and going further deep into his insanity, 1246 01:12:02,443 --> 01:12:05,404 I'm gonna be young, improving, and he's gonna have to watch it. 1247 01:12:07,072 --> 01:12:08,865 I'm not motivated by spite, 1248 01:12:08,866 --> 01:12:12,994 but if that's gonna inspire him to be the best version of himself, 1249 01:12:12,995 --> 01:12:14,287 then… 1250 01:12:14,288 --> 01:12:16,122 then, uh, go for it, 1251 01:12:16,123 --> 01:12:18,833 just as long as he plays… 1252 01:12:18,834 --> 01:12:20,502 plays, um, fair. 1253 01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:22,713 I'm going to be the best player. 1254 01:12:25,132 --> 01:12:26,466 No one's gonna believe that now, 1255 01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:29,553 but this clip will play over and over again in ten years. Just wait. 1256 01:12:30,804 --> 01:12:34,641 I know things that the world doesn't, and that's because I can see the future.