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[man] I do feel that, uh...
pretty much anybody could be a stalker...
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given the right circumstances.
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When I look back at what occurred,
that's not who I am.
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I felt like I was, like. in a dream state.
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Kind of like a sleepwalker.
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I wanted to be part of something.
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I lost it and I lost control.
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It caused me to act out my anger
and my fantasies.
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[woman] Wherever I would go, he was just,
like, constantly following me.
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He says that he was gonna attack
somebody I really loved.
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Anyone that did this kind of harm
is really a psychopath.
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[man 1] I'd rather be considered
a murderer than a stalker,
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you know what I mean?
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[woman screams]
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[woman 1] I wanted the intensity
of, like... of her feeling watched.
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[man 2] Anybody could be a stalker.
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[man 3] It's all boogeyman talk.
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[man 4] I'm not still that crazy. Like...
[chuckles]
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[woman] I haven't come across
a case quite like this before.
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It was a very scary stalking case.
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If you take the little incidences
that make stalking,
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they don't seem dangerous
or even criminal.
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But put together and compounded,
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it creates fear in somebody,
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and unfortunately,
a lot of times,
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it can culminate
into something that's very violent.
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Um... My name is Ruben Antonio Jaramillo.
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Oh, okay. Uh, I guess I was accused
of, uh, stalking my ex...
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I guess, ex-girlfriend at the time,
or girlfriend at the time.
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It was, like, so chaotic
at that moment in time.
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I had a lot of confusion in my life,
a lot of cloud.
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That was my downfall,
uh... to this whole scenario.
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[birdsong]
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My upbringing, it was very sporadic,
I guess.
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We moved around from...
around the country, from state to state.
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My dad would briefly show up
once in a while
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whenever he actually found my mom,
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and, uh...
I never planted any roots anyplace.
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We were always... More like a vagabond.
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Never had any friends or anybody to...
you know, things like that.
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Each town and city that I, uh...
I moved to, I was always bullied,
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so that played a big part, because that...
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Being, uh... being bullied like that
made me, uh... more secluded to myself.
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My fantasy was to have a wife,
and children, and house,
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and provide for them.
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That's, uh... that's always been my dream.
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I've dated here and there,
but most of the times, I guess, uh...
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I was... I would date the girl,
but the girl would, you know,
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end up going off with a friend of mine,
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or one of my siblings,
or something like that.
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So I've always had, uh...
trust issues with girls because of that.
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When I was working in a nursing home,
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all these other girls at the nursing home
were after me.
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They were, like, trying to come after me,
trying to date me.
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And I was, like... kind of, like,
too timid to, uh...
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who I would like...
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Uh, kinda... How do you say?
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Pick which girl I wanted to be with.
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She came over to me and started,
I guess, pushing herself onto me.
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I wasn't really interested,
because most of the girls I used to date
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were between 18 to 24,
no older than 24.
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But at that point in time,
I felt alone, you know.
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I just, uh... had nobody, really,
to communicate with, you know?
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But when Maria came into that picture,
I could tell her my problems.
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We were talking, and before you know it,
one thing led to another,
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we started, uh, making out, and...
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From there, it just started, uh...
We just started dating.
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[woman] At the time I met Ruben,
I was in a relationship.
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It was 18 years that I was married,
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and, um... it was a rough marriage.
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When Ruben came aboard,
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it was like someone to lean on,
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or be comfortable to talk to.
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It all started when I was employed
at a nursing home,
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and he got hired.
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And he was comfortable to talk to.
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He was very nice, and, um...
soft, and sweet.
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I was, like, in love,
and, uh... I would say, in lust.
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He was young.
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I was, um... probably, like, 18 years older.
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As months went by,
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I decided to leave my husband,
and I moved in with Ruben.
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From there, it went on really nice,
you know?
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He loved going out and getting me
gifts and stuff,
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and, uh... it never crossed my mind
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that he would do something like this,
you know?
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[insects chirping]
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[Jaramillo] One day,
she showed up at my door.
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She was standing there,
and she said, "Look."
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"I got some divorce papers.
I got... I divorced my husband."
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And I'm like, "Uh... why'd you do that?"
She goes, "'Cause I want to be with you."
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And I was like, "Okay."
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I mean, I liked her and everything,
and I figured, well,
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we could have a relationship and see
how it blooms from that point.
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It was something
that I was kind of looking for,
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'cause she had family,
and I didn't have that growing up.
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But when I first met her family,
they were kind of hostile.
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That's when it kind of turned.
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Her parents were like,
telling me that I was too young for her
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and I need to find somebody my own age,
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and that's when I knew
that something was up.
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[birdsong]
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My first impression of Ruben
was that he was quiet, uh... shy.
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She thought she was in love with him.
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She's young at heart herself.
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I guess she thought it was a match
made in heaven.
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But I didn't like the relationship.
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My family thought that he was creepy.
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They didn't like him,
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especially the age difference
between him and my mom.
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In my eyes, I saw their relationship
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as a boyfriend-slash-son relationship.
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She was always tending to him,
like you do a child.
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She couldn't even just, like, come visit
our family, like, without him.
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He had to follow along,
like a little kid, I guess. [chuckles]
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He always had to be, like,
part of everything,
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saying some crazy things.
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In 2001, when I found out
that I was pregnant with my first child,
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he told my mom that he wanted
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to raise my daughter with her.
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Which is crazy.
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I was thinking, "Are you kidding me?"
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"I live with my boyfriend,
why wouldn't we want our child?"
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And this is just one of the... the ways
that would show how he was delusional.
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I know that Ruben had given her
lots of attention,
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and I think that's what she was craving...
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until she finally had come
to the conclusion
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that he was cheating on her.
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[Maria] For about four years, you know,
the relationship was great.
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But when I was at work,
and I'd come home to the apartment,
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I would see females' belongings.
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And I'd say, "Well, who was here?"
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He goes, "Oh, my female friends."
You know?
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I did suspect he was cheating on me.
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That just kept on going and going.
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And so, I was hurt.
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And, uh... he denied,
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but that's when I started, like,
feeling, "This is not gonna work out."
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I told Ruben that I was gonna leave,
and he says, "Why?" you know?
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He says, "I love you," and stuff.
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That's when Ruben was begging me
and begging me, you know,
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"Don't go, don't go."
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I think that's why I called my daughter
and my sister.
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I felt maybe something
was gonna go wrong.
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[Veronica] When my mom said
she wanted to leave,
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I felt so relieved and so happy to go,
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"Let's go," you know, "get your things
and get you out of here."
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Not knowing, like, what could happen.
[laughs ruefully]
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Me and my aunt went to my mom and Ruben's
apartment to go gather her things.
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So, we walk into the bedroom,
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and he's there on the bed,
and he was holding a knife.
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We look around the room,
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and on the three walls was the word,
"Die, die, die."
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"Die" on one wall, "die" on the other wall
and "die" on the other wall,
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in his blood.
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And my mom, she didn't want us
to call the police.
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She said, "Let's just go
and just leave him alone."
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[Jaramillo] I wanted to die right there
and then. I felt my heart pounding.
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I wanted to cry, uh...
because I had put my hope on her.
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I kept trying to, uh... get in contact
with her and everything else,
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because all that... all that emotion
came flooding back.
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Technically, I did cheat on her.
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But I wanted to contact her
and I wanted to, like, see,
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"What can we do to resolve this, uh...
this conflict of emotion?"
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and things like that.
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So, uh... I'm not real, uh... keen
on... on subtle hints or things like that.
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You know, I'm more a person that needs...
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If you want something,
you have to say it bluntly
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in order for me to understand,
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because I don't grasp, like,
hints or things like that.
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The way I used to try to contact her
was writing her letters.
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That occurred over a period of time.
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Every time I asked a question,
it would... it would go unanswered.
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And so I had to... I had to try
to get... to communicate with her,
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to get in contact with her to try to get
those answers, but I couldn't.
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It's like, the more I tried
to communicate with her,
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the more I failed, the more I was like...
I was like, "Man, I'm..."
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I kept coming up with more, uh... questions,
but without answers.
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[birdsong]
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[Maria] I had stacks and stacks
of letters, you know,
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that he would leave on my car.
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The letters would say
that he wanted to talk things over,
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and that he really loved me,
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and he's not going to hurt me,
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and he just wants us to get back together.
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At that point,
all this really got me worried.
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[woman] Stalking is considered
to be a serious crime
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involving repeated and persistent
behavior that threatens,
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harasses and creates fear in our victims
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and can turn into violence.
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My name is Dr. Hae Rim Jin,
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and my research specialization
is in intimate partner violence.
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In my line of work,
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I have studied a large number of cases
focusing on stalking.
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These are letters that Mr. Jaramillo
wrote to Maria.
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These letters are records
of his stalking behavior.
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In my opinion,
his case is very, very dangerous.
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His letters gave me a lot of insight
to his mindset.
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One particular
is that he consistently says,
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"I love you, I love you, I love you.
Why don't you get that I love you?"
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And she gets it, but she doesn't want it.
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This individual fits the profile
of rejected stalker,
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because his sole motivation
behind stalking Maria
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is that he can no longer accept
that she has left him.
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Mr. Jaramillo also says quite often
that he is ready to die for her,
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so that reiterates that feeling of,
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he really truly believes
he has nothing left to lose.
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It's her or nothing, even his life.
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The likelihood of that case turning into
a dangerous one is relatively high.
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This particular letter is a red flag.
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He says, "If we're not together,
then that gives me the right
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to go after your family
for breaking us up."
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"But if we're still together, then I have
no right to go after them, right?"
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First, he's blaming her family
for breaking them up.
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He's implying to her that,
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"I know your parents were
one of the reasons why we broke up,
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and I have every means to hurt them,
especially if you don't come back to me."
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His letters are demonstrating
that the violence truly was inevitable.
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It was going to happen,
because he just could not let her go.
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[Maria] Ruben was stalking me at my jobs.
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He would be parked, like, at the corner,
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and so I would spot him
and I would get off and start running.
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He was not giving up.
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He said in letters, "Not gonna give up."
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But by that time, I was, like,
really, really frightened.
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Wherever I would go, uh... he was just,
like, constantly following me.
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He knew where my parents lived
and where my daughter lived.
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[Veronica] This was the beginning
of a... a time to watch our backs.
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He started delivering letters
to my apartment,
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taping them to the door.
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And then one of the letters said
that if I don't give my mom the letters,
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he was gonna put naked pictures of her
around my apartment complex.
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And he did.
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I actually didn't know
what was gonna come next.
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I moved from my apartment
to a different apartment.
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I wanted to hide.
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I didn't want him to, like,
know where I lived anymore,
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because he threatened to kill me
if she didn't go with him.
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He was stalking multiple members
of our family.
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Lurking around in different places,
you know?
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He was at the front door of my brother
and his girlfriend's apartment,
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and she was terrified.
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He was driving by
the other family members' houses.
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My cousin's house, my brother's apartment,
my grandparents', me.
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Now everybody had a piece
of being stalked.
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My mom was getting lots of anger
towards her.
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"You brought this crazy into our family,
and now he knows where we all live."
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I don't think she knew
what was gonna happen next,
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and I think she thinks
he was just gonna, like, fade away.
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I was already determined to leave her
and her family and everything behind,
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because I already had it.
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I had enough with it and everything else.
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I was walkin' towards her parents' house.
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I was gonna tell them, like,
to piss off or something like that.
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I was gonna tell her parents that...
to tell her not to contact me at all,
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not to do anything with me, 'cause
I didn't want no part of her or anything.
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I'mma give her one last gift, you know,
because in the scripture it says,
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you know, uh... if people hate you,
uh... bless 'em or love 'em, you know.
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So I thought, "Okay,"
so I went into this Chinese store,
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bought some, uh, toy handcuffs
for her grandkids.
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And, uh... Oh, I...
And, uh, I... I had this, uh... toy stun gun.
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And I started praying,
and I was... I was, like...
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I was like, um... you know,
"Lord, I want you to please stop me."
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You know...
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Uh... "Stop me from going to the house
and then confronting the parents,
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because I... I feel that
I'm gonna do something crazy."
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[Angulo] What happened
on September 26th of 2005
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is the end result of Ruben's journey
of stalking.
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Right now, we're looking at the driveway
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where Ruben accosted Maria's father.
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He actually brought three sets
of handcuffs.
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He brought duct tape.
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So they are filming right now the stun gun
or the Taser that he left behind.
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All signs of something very violent
that occurred.
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[Jaramillo] I went to the house.
I rung the doorbell.
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Her dad came around the corner,
and I startled him, he startled me.
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And he came at me
like... like... you know, like, to fall.
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And I thought he was trying to attack me,
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so I pulled out the toy stun gun,
and then I pushed him down.
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I looked down and I saw him on the ground,
and I saw he was grabbing his heart.
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That's when I realized
he was having a heart attack.
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I was trying to pick him up,
but he was too heavy for me.
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And so the mom came out
around the corner, and so she screamed,
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so I dropped him and I went over
to tell her, "I'm not here to hurt you."
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And I tried to calm her down,
and she wouldn't calm down.
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So I grab the toy stun gun
and I stun her.
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So, uh... I picked her up.
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And I remember I had the toy stun gun,
so... I mean, the toy handcuffs.
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So I grabbed one of the toy handcuffs
and I put 'em on...
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uh, put the toy handcuffs on her.
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I walked her to the restroom
and I sat her down.
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[Angulo] He handcuffed both of them.
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With the mother,
he took her into the house
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and he went back out
to deal with Maria's father,
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and Maria's mother was able to escape,
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run across the street
and get help from a neighbor.
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And they called 911, and the police came
and responded fairly quickly.
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He was interrupted,
and so he got in their van and he fled.
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[Jaramillo] I had no intention
of hurting anybody, because that's not...
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I hate people hurting other people.
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And when I look back, what... what...
what occurred, that's not who I was.
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I mean... I mean, that's not who I am.
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So, Ruben says that he had no intention
of hurting anyone,
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because he hates people that hurt people.
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Ruben's not only trying
to minimize his culpability,
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he's trying to change the narrative.
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His delusions are...
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quite intact.
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The Taser definitely was not a toy.
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It caused such a heart attack
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that Maria's father had to have
quadruple bypass surgery,
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and, um, to me, this confirms it.
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He is not willing to accept responsibility
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for the damage that he caused
to this family.
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- [Maria] There was ambulance and police.
- [siren wailing]
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My sister was yelling at me,
"Your ex-boyfriend attacked Mom and Dad!"
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And that's when I, like...
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God, I just felt so bad and at fault,
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because he did this
because I wouldn't go back to him.
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I just felt so ashamed.
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[Veronica] It was the scariest thing,
to not know where he could be.
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I gave the daycare a picture of him,
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because my daughter was in daycare,
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and I let them know the situation.
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I was afraid that he was gonna find me
and my daughter.
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I didn't know if he was gonna kill me
to try to get to my daughter.
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I didn't know what he was gonna do.
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It's the fear of the unknown.
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We didn't know where he could pop up.
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One of the nights that he was on the run,
I went to my best friend's house,
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and I had a major panic attack.
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I thought I was dying. I... I did.
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I thought I was... I thought I was dying.
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[Angulo] I decided to try only
the aggravated robbery,
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because stalking is more difficult,
in the sense that you have to prove
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beyond a reasonable doubt
all of the elements.
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So you have to prove many tiny moments
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instead of just one big moment.
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Aggravated robberies are typically
a first-degree felony,
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so just like murders,
it carries a punishment range
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from five years up to 99 years,
or life in prison.
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It... it was a very strong case
that we took to trial
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for the aggravated robbery.
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This case was odd in that Ruben left us
all the evidence of his intention
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at the scene of the crime.
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He had a bag that he left behind
when the police started to come,
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and inside of that bag, there was a note.
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And on this note, it basically laid out
what Ruben was going to do.
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Ruben writes, "Pick up cash,
pick up check and cash it."
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"Stun gun, four sets of handcuffs."
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"Locate parents. Mom and Dad only."
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"Handcuff Mom and Dad."
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"Lock the gates and head towards Mexico."
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"Drop the parents off in a ditch."
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"Head back and pick up Maria's daughter,
pick up the car with her,
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pick up Maria's daughter's daughter,
then take her in green van."
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"Look for Maria, get hold of Maria."
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"Pick up the Suburban, bring it to Mexico,
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move into house
and live in Mexico forever."
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We are talking about five people
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that Ruben planned to kidnap,
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um, and relocate,
in his desire to win Maria's heart.
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Ruben definitely suffered from delusions.
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It didn't make him incompetent.
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It didn't make him insane.
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But it made him very dangerous.
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[Angulo] They put the defendant
on the stand.
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He was really their only defense.
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He did not seem to accept
any responsibility for his conduct.
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He didn't seem to think that the nature
of his relationship with Maria
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was anything other than a love story.
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It was not a good defense.
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The evidence we had was strong,
against him,
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and I think, at the end,
that there was no question, um...
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that Ruben Jaramillo
was a dangerous individual.
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[Angulo] The aggravated robbery that
we tried was ultimately the culmination
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of all the stalking
that he committed on Maria.
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So, even though she wasn't the ultimate
victim in the case that we prosecuted,
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I think that the jury
appropriately considered
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the dangerousness of the situation.
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Maria was definitely an injured woman.
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Emotionally injured.
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She suffered a lot of abuse
at the hands of Mr. Jaramillo.
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I think it was very crucial for the jury
to hear from Maria,
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because the history of stalking
was central to this case.
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If you take Maria out of the picture,
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there's not much context
for what the defendant did.
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She explained to the jury the abuse
that she suffered from him,
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the psychological,
the emotional abuse that he used.
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And that's gonna scar an individual.
It scarred her.
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[Maria] I was on the stand,
and I did tell them about the stalking.
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I was very scared telling the judge
everything what had happened,
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and, um... I was just, like, crying.
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Just nonstop crying, um...
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I was so... so afraid,
just having him there.
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[Jaramillo] I've been in prison, uh...
16 years, almost 17 years.
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I had plenty of time to think of what...
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what was...
what was the malfunction in my thinking,
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and... and so forth.
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I do feel that, uh...
pretty much anybody could be a stalker,
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given the right set of circumstances.
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And I guess I, uh...
I lost touch with reality
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and, uh... just started fantasizing.
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I was hoping, I guess, in a way,
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to be able to get back that...
that feeling of, uh... being wanted.
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Chasing after her, uh...
would get her attention
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and she would, uh...
once again see me as a person,
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and say, "Hey, look, there's this person,
you know, who cares about me."
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And I was hoping she would see that,
you know,
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I was willing to bend over backwards
for her and do whatever she wanted.
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I do possess, uh... remorse over what I did
to Maria and... and her family,
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because it shouldn't have occurred
in the first place.
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I should have been the bigger man
and just walked away.
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00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Uh, putting your, uh... your emotions
100% into a person,
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it's like playing Russian roulette.
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00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,840
It's like, uh... Unless you're
with the person like 20, 30 years,
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yeah, I can understand,
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but when you meet a person like I did,
and I was with her for five years,
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00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,640
uh... you know, I shouldn't have been
100% into... into her.
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00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:39,480
Uh, because no matter
how many times she cheated on me
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or how many times I cheated on her,
uh... I should have seen the signs.
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But there's no way to correct the past.
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It's just continuing to the future with...
and trying to correct myself,
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uh, and hoping that
this situation doesn't occur
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with somebody else, or anything else,
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and that I'm better able
to control myself mentally.
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And, uh... and...
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and see disappointments
as a... as a stepping-stone
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rather than a... than a... a tragedy.
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[birdsong]
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[Veronica] I definitely think
about him getting out,
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and I just want to, like, disappear.
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I don't want him to find me.
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I am still living
with the effects of this.
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I deal with anxiety attacks weekly.
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00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:10,280
It makes me very, very angry
that I have to deal with this,
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my kids have to deal with this...
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my husband... has to deal with this.
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00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,680
[tearfully] It's frustrating.
It's torturous.
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[sobs]
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And my grandparents deal with it, too.
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This is lifelong.
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[Maria] Everybody fears
that he's gonna get parole.
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I myself am very, very scared.
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We are writing letters to the parole
not to release him,
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because I feel that he's gonna
come and finish me off.
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00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,200
He said he would hurt people that I love,
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and so we just have to live in fear.
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I believe he will continue looking for me.