1 00:00:03,404 --> 00:00:05,037 - It was crazy. I had to sweep the whole house. 2 00:00:05,106 --> 00:00:06,605 I'm like, what the [bleep]? - I come in there. 3 00:00:06,674 --> 00:00:08,240 He's like, are you guys all animals? 4 00:00:08,309 --> 00:00:10,542 [laughter] 5 00:00:10,611 --> 00:00:12,311 - Well, we were together when he committed suicide. 6 00:00:12,380 --> 00:00:13,946 I mean, it really took it out of me, you know? 7 00:00:14,048 --> 00:00:16,615 I was 20 or 21. 8 00:00:16,684 --> 00:00:18,684 - Are you gonna say excuse me? 9 00:00:18,753 --> 00:00:20,386 - That looked like a bump to me. 10 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:22,621 - Bumped or not, you don't spit. 11 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:24,690 - I'm not doing this. I'm not feeding this bitch. 12 00:00:24,759 --> 00:00:26,959 - Hey, me and my mom are gonna leave. 13 00:00:27,061 --> 00:00:29,228 - Ryan, what is your vision 14 00:00:29,296 --> 00:00:32,765 for a healthy co-parenting relationship with Maci? 15 00:00:32,833 --> 00:00:36,235 - I'd just like to be able to see him, really. 16 00:00:36,303 --> 00:00:38,470 Hell, I just miss him. 17 00:00:38,539 --> 00:00:40,239 - ♪ We run together ♪ 18 00:00:40,307 --> 00:00:43,108 ♪ They're my family ♪ 19 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:46,278 - Do you believe you're in a place to commit 20 00:00:46,347 --> 00:00:48,814 to being more consistent? 21 00:00:48,883 --> 00:00:51,717 - Yeah, if I don't have to deal with everything else 22 00:00:51,786 --> 00:00:54,153 that I've had to in the past. 23 00:00:54,221 --> 00:00:55,721 - What's the everything else? 24 00:00:55,790 --> 00:00:58,157 - Just everyone else in the way. 25 00:00:58,225 --> 00:00:59,258 - OK. 26 00:00:59,326 --> 00:01:01,660 Maci, what was going on with you 27 00:01:01,729 --> 00:01:04,463 when you were hearing all of that? 28 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:08,100 - I just looked at him, and I could see the pain. 29 00:01:08,169 --> 00:01:11,336 And honestly, I felt like I was staring at Bentley. 30 00:01:12,406 --> 00:01:15,741 I feel-- it's obviously bittersweet. 31 00:01:15,810 --> 00:01:20,646 But I really appreciate the vulnerability, 32 00:01:20,714 --> 00:01:22,581 and the ownership, 33 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:25,717 and where he maybe kind of came up short 34 00:01:25,786 --> 00:01:30,355 or something that he could have done differently. 35 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:34,460 And then everything he was committing to 36 00:01:34,528 --> 00:01:37,696 just felt like, little by little, a breath of fresh air 37 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:42,301 because it would absolutely make 38 00:01:42,369 --> 00:01:45,471 Bentley's heart so whole 39 00:01:45,539 --> 00:01:49,875 because, Ryan, there's a part of Bentley that is hurting. 40 00:01:49,944 --> 00:01:53,045 But he loves you so much. 41 00:01:53,114 --> 00:01:58,050 And there is only one person that can help that hurt. 42 00:01:58,152 --> 00:01:59,551 And it's you. 43 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:04,790 He wants a relationship with you more than anything else. 44 00:02:04,859 --> 00:02:09,394 - Ryan, can you commit to be consistent? 45 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,465 - I mean, I don't-- 46 00:02:13,534 --> 00:02:16,335 hell, I don't even know what he's got going on anymore. 47 00:02:16,403 --> 00:02:17,936 I don't think Bentley and I even have 48 00:02:18,005 --> 00:02:19,905 a real relationship anymore. 49 00:02:19,974 --> 00:02:22,241 But, I mean, if it's picking him up 50 00:02:22,309 --> 00:02:24,843 at a certain time or whatever. 51 00:02:24,912 --> 00:02:27,613 - Can you commit to FaceTiming him once a week 52 00:02:27,681 --> 00:02:29,381 just to check in and say, "Hey, bud"? 53 00:02:29,450 --> 00:02:32,484 - Yeah, if he wants that. - Mm-hmm. 54 00:02:32,553 --> 00:02:34,786 Well, you're his daddy. He wants it all. 55 00:02:34,855 --> 00:02:36,388 He wants all the smoke, trust me. 56 00:02:36,457 --> 00:02:37,689 He wants all the smoke. 57 00:02:37,758 --> 00:02:40,259 [laughs] OK? 58 00:02:40,327 --> 00:02:42,461 Maci, what do you think you can do to help 59 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:47,232 this co-parenting relationship become healthy? 60 00:02:47,301 --> 00:02:51,003 - I think, obviously, one of them is making sure that 61 00:02:51,071 --> 00:02:54,173 I'm keeping Ryan all the way in the loop 62 00:02:54,241 --> 00:02:56,842 as it pertains to anything Bentley has going on 63 00:02:56,911 --> 00:03:00,646 so that he has the option to support him and be there. 64 00:03:00,714 --> 00:03:04,883 And I think, just from our previous attempts 65 00:03:04,952 --> 00:03:07,753 at co-parenting, one of the things 66 00:03:07,821 --> 00:03:11,156 that really always kind of ended it 67 00:03:11,258 --> 00:03:13,692 before it could really start was, 68 00:03:13,761 --> 00:03:17,129 we had trouble communicating with each other respectfully. 69 00:03:17,231 --> 00:03:18,497 - No, I agree. 70 00:03:18,566 --> 00:03:21,767 I mean, I've said some things that were hateful. 71 00:03:21,835 --> 00:03:24,036 - Yeah, did you want to apologize 72 00:03:24,104 --> 00:03:25,270 about the things that were hateful? 73 00:03:25,339 --> 00:03:26,271 You don't have to name them. 74 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:27,439 - Well, yeah, for sure, 75 00:03:27,508 --> 00:03:30,576 because I wasn't appreciating it, you know. 76 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:32,110 So yes, I'm sorry for that. 77 00:03:32,179 --> 00:03:34,112 - Thank you. 78 00:03:35,349 --> 00:03:37,583 I've said many things to you that were hurtful, 79 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:43,422 and disrespectful, and just with blatant lack 80 00:03:43,490 --> 00:03:46,425 of regard for your feelings. 81 00:03:46,493 --> 00:03:52,431 And I also want to apologize for not putting in more 82 00:03:52,499 --> 00:03:55,801 of an effort to understand the battles you were fighting 83 00:03:55,869 --> 00:03:57,669 and the struggles you were going through. 84 00:03:57,738 --> 00:03:59,838 - That's so good. 85 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:05,043 - I should have treated you more like a human being. 86 00:04:05,112 --> 00:04:09,114 And if I could go back and do it different, 87 00:04:09,183 --> 00:04:10,549 I definitely would. 88 00:04:10,618 --> 00:04:14,786 But I'm gonna do it different moving forward. 89 00:04:14,855 --> 00:04:17,189 And I'm sorry. 90 00:04:19,126 --> 00:04:20,359 There is one thing. 91 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,294 - Wait, so I'm gonna-- is it OK if I'm gonna 92 00:04:22,363 --> 00:04:23,295 come back over here? 93 00:04:23,364 --> 00:04:24,429 - Yeah. - OK? 94 00:04:24,498 --> 00:04:27,466 Because I think this was so good. 95 00:04:29,103 --> 00:04:30,936 Anything that we left out? 96 00:04:31,005 --> 00:04:32,938 - Well, one thing I was thinking-- 97 00:04:33,007 --> 00:04:38,810 I would like to try our best 98 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:42,914 to do this co-parenting 99 00:04:42,983 --> 00:04:46,018 just between the two of us and then, 100 00:04:46,086 --> 00:04:49,921 as we feel comfortable or confident 101 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:55,761 in bringing others into it, if that's OK. 102 00:04:55,829 --> 00:04:56,962 - Yeah. 103 00:04:57,031 --> 00:04:58,196 - I'm so proud of you both. 104 00:04:58,265 --> 00:05:00,098 I'm so, so, so, so proud of you both. 105 00:05:00,167 --> 00:05:01,500 Thank you. - Thank you. 106 00:05:01,568 --> 00:05:04,903 - Yeah, well, let's bring Jen back out here. 107 00:05:04,972 --> 00:05:06,271 [applause] 108 00:05:06,373 --> 00:05:08,974 [soft music] 109 00:05:09,043 --> 00:05:11,176 - Look at that smile. 110 00:05:11,245 --> 00:05:12,878 - Oh. 111 00:05:12,946 --> 00:05:16,481 ♪ ♪ 112 00:05:16,550 --> 00:05:18,650 - Yeah, yeah. - Mm. 113 00:05:18,719 --> 00:05:19,851 - I love you. 114 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,553 - I can't with this. 115 00:05:21,622 --> 00:05:27,392 ♪ ♪ 116 00:05:27,461 --> 00:05:28,427 Oh, man. 117 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:30,028 This is emotional. 118 00:05:30,097 --> 00:05:32,898 How did you feel watching Ryan open up the way he did? 119 00:05:32,966 --> 00:05:35,600 - I'm very happy that he did because he's not one 120 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:37,436 to show a lot of emotion. 121 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:39,371 I'm very, very proud of him. 122 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,139 - Me too. 123 00:05:41,208 --> 00:05:43,875 - He has the best heart. 124 00:05:43,944 --> 00:05:45,977 He has a heart like Bentley. 125 00:05:46,046 --> 00:05:48,046 He just doesn't always show it. 126 00:05:48,115 --> 00:05:53,785 - You've been the co-parent grandma bear the whole time. 127 00:05:53,854 --> 00:05:55,921 - Mm-hmm. 128 00:05:55,989 --> 00:05:58,056 - What do you think could be added? 129 00:05:58,125 --> 00:06:01,026 - I would love to step back, 130 00:06:01,095 --> 00:06:03,862 and I would love for the two of them to talk 131 00:06:03,931 --> 00:06:07,299 and work things out co-parenting. 132 00:06:07,401 --> 00:06:09,468 I know Ryan needs that. 133 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:15,073 He needs to feel like he is special in Bentley's life 134 00:06:15,142 --> 00:06:17,142 as his dad. 135 00:06:17,211 --> 00:06:19,344 - Yeah. 136 00:06:19,413 --> 00:06:22,748 - I mean, I'd just like to spend time with him one on one 137 00:06:22,816 --> 00:06:25,283 without having to go to Mom's house. 138 00:06:25,352 --> 00:06:27,652 - Bentley would love that 139 00:06:27,721 --> 00:06:30,655 and being able to do stuff just you and him. 140 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:34,126 - Jen, did you think we would ever see this day? 141 00:06:34,194 --> 00:06:35,961 - Oh, I knew it was possible. 142 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:37,429 I just didn't know when. 143 00:06:37,498 --> 00:06:39,531 - I'm so happy for everyone right now. 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,267 Coach B, thank you for helping them get to a place 145 00:06:42,336 --> 00:06:43,869 that they wanted to get to. 146 00:06:43,937 --> 00:06:45,871 - Yeah. - Amazing. 147 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:48,807 It's Ashley's turn on the couch up next. 148 00:06:48,876 --> 00:06:50,442 - You guys! 149 00:06:50,511 --> 00:06:53,445 [upbeat rock music] 150 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:57,649 ♪ ♪ 151 00:06:57,718 --> 00:07:00,585 - Tonight, on "Teen Mom Family Reunion: The Aftermath"... 152 00:07:00,654 --> 00:07:02,454 - Everybody is like their mom's mini-me. 153 00:07:02,523 --> 00:07:03,588 - Agh! - April-- 154 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:05,924 - I mean that in the best way possible. 155 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:06,958 [laughter] 156 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:08,093 - I don't like her. 157 00:07:08,162 --> 00:07:09,694 I don't like anything about that bitch. 158 00:07:09,763 --> 00:07:12,831 - I guess I could have took the high road and walked away, 159 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:14,132 but I'm not Michelle Obama. 160 00:07:14,201 --> 00:07:15,700 I'm Tea. 161 00:07:15,769 --> 00:07:17,369 - She's about ready to pass out. 162 00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:19,671 - Can we get a medic out here? - What's wrong? 163 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:21,673 - Can we call a medic? A medic. 164 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:26,211 [upbeat electronic music] 165 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,213 - Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 166 00:07:28,282 --> 00:07:29,247 The Aftermath." 167 00:07:29,316 --> 00:07:30,715 I'm now here with Ashley, 168 00:07:30,784 --> 00:07:32,484 her mother, Tea, and Coach B. 169 00:07:32,553 --> 00:07:34,986 [applause] 170 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:38,990 First of all, Ashley, I want to just ask you, 171 00:07:39,059 --> 00:07:42,461 how have you--how's everything been going as far as, like, 172 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:44,362 with your pregnancy and all that stuff? 173 00:07:44,431 --> 00:07:46,832 How are you, before we dig into anything. 174 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:48,133 - I'm OK. 175 00:07:48,202 --> 00:07:50,368 I'm sad to say 176 00:07:50,437 --> 00:07:52,537 we actually had a miscarriage. 177 00:07:52,606 --> 00:07:54,439 So there's-- - Wait. 178 00:07:54,508 --> 00:07:55,607 - Not-- - You had a miscarriage? 179 00:07:55,676 --> 00:07:57,642 - Yeah, so we won't be-- - I'm sorry. 180 00:07:57,711 --> 00:08:00,178 - Having a little one, but I am-- 181 00:08:00,247 --> 00:08:01,246 - Oh, I'm so sorry. 182 00:08:01,315 --> 00:08:03,348 - Thank you, Nessa. 183 00:08:03,417 --> 00:08:05,484 - How are you feeling about that, though? 184 00:08:05,552 --> 00:08:07,185 Because that's a lot to carry. 185 00:08:07,254 --> 00:08:08,286 - I don't know. 186 00:08:08,355 --> 00:08:10,689 I'm still kind of, like, you know, 187 00:08:10,757 --> 00:08:13,225 trying to get back to myself. 188 00:08:13,293 --> 00:08:14,893 - Are you getting help for that, though, 189 00:08:14,962 --> 00:08:16,628 Ashley, as far as, like, the grieving 190 00:08:16,697 --> 00:08:18,196 of the miscarriage? 191 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:19,898 Because that's not something easy to experience 192 00:08:19,967 --> 00:08:21,600 nor something that goes away like that. 193 00:08:21,668 --> 00:08:23,401 - I know I should be. 194 00:08:23,470 --> 00:08:27,239 But I am the kind of person that just kind of, like, 195 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:29,207 steamrolls over things. 196 00:08:29,276 --> 00:08:31,877 I think we all know this. 197 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:34,246 I'm not a "sit in your emotions and dissect them" 198 00:08:34,314 --> 00:08:35,280 type of person. 199 00:08:35,349 --> 00:08:36,715 - But I do want you to get help 200 00:08:36,783 --> 00:08:40,085 with grieving of the miscarriage. 201 00:08:40,153 --> 00:08:42,387 Even your emotions that you suppressed when Bar 202 00:08:42,456 --> 00:08:44,289 was in jail and you were pregnant, 203 00:08:44,358 --> 00:08:47,092 you need to be able to have a place that's safe 204 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,662 that you can unload and then get in contact 205 00:08:50,731 --> 00:08:52,964 with what you're feeling and where to put those emotions. 206 00:08:53,033 --> 00:08:54,366 - Yeah. 207 00:08:54,434 --> 00:08:56,268 - Can you commit to at least attempting to do that? 208 00:08:56,336 --> 00:08:57,669 - Yeah. - OK. 209 00:08:57,738 --> 00:09:00,071 - I can. - Tea, hold her accountable. 210 00:09:00,140 --> 00:09:01,273 - OK, I will. 211 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:02,407 [laughter] 212 00:09:02,476 --> 00:09:03,642 I will. 213 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:06,111 - From my understanding, in order for you guys 214 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:07,812 to come out here, there was an agreement 215 00:09:07,881 --> 00:09:10,882 that you just didn't want to be on stage with the other moms. 216 00:09:10,951 --> 00:09:14,786 - I just didn't want to be blindsided 217 00:09:14,855 --> 00:09:16,321 by no bull[bleep]. 218 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:21,593 I just feel like sometimes things are made up or gassed up 219 00:09:21,662 --> 00:09:23,261 so there appears to be, like, 220 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:25,530 a problem when really, there's not. 221 00:09:25,599 --> 00:09:27,232 - The fight did happen. 222 00:09:27,301 --> 00:09:30,502 So where are you with that at this point? 223 00:09:30,571 --> 00:09:31,703 - Oh, I'm over it. 224 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:33,271 I was over it as soon as I left Oregon, 225 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:35,073 really, to be honest. 226 00:09:35,142 --> 00:09:36,107 Yeah. 227 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:38,310 - Tea, how about for you? 228 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:40,712 - I'm traumatized. 229 00:09:40,781 --> 00:09:44,182 I went into an environment, like, open, 230 00:09:44,284 --> 00:09:46,918 not really understanding all the dynamics. 231 00:09:46,987 --> 00:09:50,088 For me, this was like I had told April. 232 00:09:50,157 --> 00:09:53,058 You know, I was expecting to glean a lot from the mothers 233 00:09:53,126 --> 00:09:56,828 that were there, so I was kind of just, like, 234 00:09:56,897 --> 00:09:58,496 sitting back, trying to observe. 235 00:09:58,565 --> 00:09:59,864 I'm the new one in the group. 236 00:09:59,933 --> 00:10:02,033 So that's where I was with it. 237 00:10:02,102 --> 00:10:04,336 - What happened to cause all of this? 238 00:10:04,404 --> 00:10:06,671 What is the root of the issue? 239 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:09,641 - There was just too much disrespect taking place. 240 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:11,376 And I just didn't understand why 241 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:14,646 it was all of a sudden turned on that night, 242 00:10:14,715 --> 00:10:19,050 after we had had that long, drawn emotional day 243 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,152 in the mud with Coach B. 244 00:10:21,221 --> 00:10:23,221 Everything was OK. Everybody did their thing. 245 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:24,789 Then, boom, all of a sudden, at dinner, 246 00:10:24,858 --> 00:10:26,257 there's a problem to be served. 247 00:10:26,326 --> 00:10:28,627 - Now, obviously, the fight that happened 248 00:10:28,695 --> 00:10:31,196 is a big part of this season. 249 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:34,232 There is a clip. Do you want to see it? 250 00:10:34,334 --> 00:10:37,168 - Yeah, I don't-- that [bleep] was a blur. 251 00:10:37,237 --> 00:10:39,738 - Tea, you OK to watch it? 252 00:10:39,806 --> 00:10:41,306 Let's go ahead and roll it. 253 00:10:41,375 --> 00:10:44,776 [tense music] 254 00:10:44,845 --> 00:10:46,478 - What's the problem, Roxanne? 255 00:10:46,546 --> 00:10:49,180 - The problem is that your daughter 256 00:10:49,249 --> 00:10:50,782 inserted herself in a situation that she-- 257 00:10:50,851 --> 00:10:51,950 - OK, no, listen. 258 00:10:52,019 --> 00:10:53,318 - Had no business inserting herself in. 259 00:10:53,387 --> 00:10:55,754 No, my daughter would never talk to any mother 260 00:10:55,822 --> 00:10:59,090 in this [bleep] table the way your daughter speaks to me. 261 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:00,859 - Well, Roxanne-- - I don't want to hear it. 262 00:11:00,927 --> 00:11:02,794 You have nothing to say to me, Tea. 263 00:11:02,863 --> 00:11:04,496 - I don't give a [bleep], bitch! 264 00:11:04,564 --> 00:11:06,798 - Hold on. - I don't give a [bleep]! 265 00:11:06,867 --> 00:11:08,266 - No, you-- - I don't give a [bleep]! 266 00:11:08,368 --> 00:11:10,068 I don't give a [bleep]! 267 00:11:10,137 --> 00:11:12,137 ♪ ♪ 268 00:11:12,205 --> 00:11:13,238 - Are you gonna say excuse me? 269 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:15,240 - Stop. Stop being so dramatic. 270 00:11:15,308 --> 00:11:17,442 - You bump me, I'ma grab your mother[bleep] ass. 271 00:11:17,511 --> 00:11:18,443 - Hey, hey, hey. Come on. 272 00:11:18,512 --> 00:11:19,744 - I didn't bump you. 273 00:11:19,813 --> 00:11:21,112 - You did. - No. 274 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:22,447 - You did, [bleep]. 275 00:11:22,516 --> 00:11:23,848 - You're not your mother. You don't know. 276 00:11:23,917 --> 00:11:25,116 - No-- - [bleep]. 277 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,618 - Because if y'all want to go, we really can. 278 00:11:26,687 --> 00:11:27,986 We really can. - Let's go. 279 00:11:28,055 --> 00:11:29,020 - Well, then, we can. Let's go. 280 00:11:29,089 --> 00:11:30,188 - We really can. 281 00:11:30,257 --> 00:11:31,556 - Let's go because they don't want that. 282 00:11:31,625 --> 00:11:32,557 Let's go. - We really can. 283 00:11:32,626 --> 00:11:34,025 - Come on. We have to go. 284 00:11:34,094 --> 00:11:35,126 - Why are you up there? 285 00:11:35,195 --> 00:11:37,395 Get down, baby. Get down. 286 00:11:37,464 --> 00:11:39,497 - No, so I could kick you in your [bleep] throat. 287 00:11:39,566 --> 00:11:40,732 - 'Cause you can't fight? - No. 288 00:11:40,801 --> 00:11:42,033 [bleep] you, bitch. - 'Cause you can't fight? 289 00:11:42,102 --> 00:11:43,001 - [bleep] you. - Get down. 290 00:11:43,070 --> 00:11:45,003 - [bleep] my [bleep], Ash. 291 00:11:45,072 --> 00:11:47,272 [dramatic music] 292 00:11:47,374 --> 00:11:48,440 - Bitch! 293 00:11:48,508 --> 00:11:49,941 [all yelling] 294 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:52,577 - Come on, bitch. Come on, bitch. 295 00:11:52,646 --> 00:11:54,479 Come on, bitch! - [bleep] you! 296 00:11:54,548 --> 00:11:56,247 - Oh, you want to go? 297 00:11:56,316 --> 00:11:57,816 You want to go, bitch? 298 00:11:57,884 --> 00:12:00,018 - [bleep] you. - [bleep] you. 299 00:12:02,255 --> 00:12:03,321 - [sighs] 300 00:12:03,423 --> 00:12:04,856 - What are you thinking and feeling 301 00:12:04,925 --> 00:12:07,392 when you're watching that? 302 00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:08,760 - I'm not bothered, you know? 303 00:12:08,829 --> 00:12:12,731 I think--is that the person that I want to be? 304 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,032 Absolutely not. 305 00:12:14,101 --> 00:12:15,800 It's not a lot of people that can tell you 306 00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:17,268 them type of stories about me. 307 00:12:17,337 --> 00:12:20,538 So when I get out of character, 308 00:12:20,607 --> 00:12:22,540 trust me, it's for a reason. 309 00:12:22,609 --> 00:12:27,946 And how I feel is Roxy and my mom went back and forth. 310 00:12:28,014 --> 00:12:30,215 I didn't--more than once. 311 00:12:30,283 --> 00:12:31,449 I didn't get in it 312 00:12:31,518 --> 00:12:34,119 because I would never try to go for Roxy. 313 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:36,521 She's not my equal. 314 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:39,958 As soon as Briana started trying to check my mom, 315 00:12:40,026 --> 00:12:41,593 that was not right to me. 316 00:12:41,661 --> 00:12:43,661 And that put me in a protective mode. 317 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:45,663 Like, as you can see, I was like, hey, 318 00:12:45,732 --> 00:12:46,898 we ain't gonna do all that. 319 00:12:46,967 --> 00:12:48,032 We ain't gonna do all that. 320 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:50,135 But why are you sitting right behind me, 321 00:12:50,203 --> 00:12:51,536 talking, talking, talking, 322 00:12:51,605 --> 00:12:53,338 and your mama talking, talking, talking? 323 00:12:53,406 --> 00:12:55,807 It's making me think that we about to get to thumpin'. 324 00:12:55,876 --> 00:12:58,910 So Roxy had already grabbed the chair. 325 00:12:58,979 --> 00:13:00,378 She'd already been yelling, already-- 326 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,713 now you bumping. 327 00:13:01,782 --> 00:13:03,715 Like, how much further are you guys gonna go? 328 00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:05,884 - And, Tea, I was watching you. 329 00:13:05,952 --> 00:13:09,120 You looked like you were revisiting, like, the anger 330 00:13:09,189 --> 00:13:10,722 that you were feeling there. 331 00:13:10,791 --> 00:13:14,626 - I was appalled, first of all, 332 00:13:14,694 --> 00:13:18,196 to have a day with you 333 00:13:18,265 --> 00:13:22,066 and to be in that mode of healing... 334 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,301 - Right. 335 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:25,570 - And to be expressing that at the table 336 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:31,476 and to be sabotaged, where I was speaking healing, 337 00:13:31,545 --> 00:13:36,915 and she was agitating the situation. 338 00:13:36,983 --> 00:13:40,051 And I asked Roxy if she wanted to speak. 339 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,721 She went on and she spoke, said whatever she had to say, 340 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:45,757 and I waited peacefully. 341 00:13:45,826 --> 00:13:48,793 But soon as I began to speak, she was just like, 342 00:13:48,862 --> 00:13:49,961 "I don't want to hear it." 343 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:52,730 And it's like-- that was the first thing. 344 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,501 And then it escalated to her picking up a chair, 345 00:13:56,570 --> 00:13:58,069 all of these other things. 346 00:13:58,138 --> 00:13:59,671 Now, mind you, at the hotel, 347 00:13:59,739 --> 00:14:02,173 it had already been dirty looks. 348 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:04,075 This had been building. 349 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:05,176 OK? 350 00:14:05,245 --> 00:14:06,911 So now we're in the kitchen. 351 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:09,747 We go in to get some more wine, and she's there. 352 00:14:09,816 --> 00:14:11,516 But I'm not thinking twice about it. 353 00:14:11,585 --> 00:14:15,620 It's like, we old enough to know to keep our distance. 354 00:14:15,689 --> 00:14:17,889 But then she bumps me again. 355 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:19,691 And then that's when I'm like, OK. 356 00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,993 I got to call her on this, 357 00:14:22,062 --> 00:14:24,596 or she gon' be forever my bully. 358 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:28,266 So at that moment, it's like, "Yo, you could apologize." 359 00:14:28,335 --> 00:14:29,801 "Well, I'm not gonna apologize." 360 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:31,402 OK. 361 00:14:31,471 --> 00:14:33,004 Well, then, only thing I can tell you is-- 362 00:14:33,073 --> 00:14:34,272 - That's what made me feel like-- 363 00:14:34,341 --> 00:14:35,907 - If you bump me again-- - They wanted to fight. 364 00:14:35,976 --> 00:14:38,109 - I'm gon' have to snatch you up. 365 00:14:38,178 --> 00:14:39,944 - There's no reason, as a grown woman, 366 00:14:40,013 --> 00:14:41,679 why you can't just say, "Oh, my bad. 367 00:14:41,748 --> 00:14:42,947 I didn't mean to bump you, girl, my bad." 368 00:14:43,016 --> 00:14:44,215 - Right. 369 00:14:44,284 --> 00:14:45,416 - Even if you said, "Girl, I didn't even mean 370 00:14:45,485 --> 00:14:46,684 to bump you, my bad," with a attitude. 371 00:14:46,753 --> 00:14:49,721 But when you say, "I'm not gonna say excuse me," 372 00:14:49,789 --> 00:14:51,823 this is my mom. 373 00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:55,326 You're going to say excuse me, period. 374 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,662 - I mean, I guess I could have took the high road 375 00:14:57,731 --> 00:15:00,031 and walked away, but I'm not Michelle Obama. 376 00:15:00,100 --> 00:15:02,133 I'm Tea. You know what I'm saying? 377 00:15:02,202 --> 00:15:04,335 If you want to take it low, I can take it low too. 378 00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,638 I know how to limbo, you know what I'm saying? 379 00:15:06,706 --> 00:15:10,508 So I believe that it was an extremely unfortunate event. 380 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:12,377 I hate that it happened, 381 00:15:12,445 --> 00:15:14,746 and especially for the world to see. 382 00:15:14,814 --> 00:15:17,949 But at the end of the day, it was straight disrespect 383 00:15:18,018 --> 00:15:21,386 and violation to my whole soul. 384 00:15:21,454 --> 00:15:22,620 - Let's pause right here, 385 00:15:22,689 --> 00:15:24,322 and we'll be back right after this. 386 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:27,592 ♪ ♪ 387 00:15:29,029 --> 00:15:30,728 [tense music] 388 00:15:30,797 --> 00:15:32,764 - Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 389 00:15:32,832 --> 00:15:33,932 The Aftermath." 390 00:15:34,034 --> 00:15:36,034 We're still here with Ashley and Tea. 391 00:15:36,102 --> 00:15:38,770 Now, from my understanding, the frustration, 392 00:15:38,838 --> 00:15:43,107 from what I was able to gather, is that, apparently, 393 00:15:43,176 --> 00:15:44,642 you have said some things online-- 394 00:15:44,711 --> 00:15:46,611 - Let me-- let's get this straight. 395 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,516 Roxy is the one who went online and said some stuff. 396 00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,352 I was tagged by the fan base, 397 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:58,122 who tagged me into Roxy having a whole little meltdown 398 00:15:58,191 --> 00:15:59,624 about Ashley. 399 00:15:59,693 --> 00:16:03,127 I then addressed her and said, "Who is Roxanne? 400 00:16:03,196 --> 00:16:05,930 "And whoever this Roxanne is, her dirty-ass daughter..." 401 00:16:05,999 --> 00:16:09,133 whatever I said, because at that point, 402 00:16:09,202 --> 00:16:10,768 you were talking about my daughter. 403 00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:12,003 I don't know you, lady. 404 00:16:12,072 --> 00:16:13,638 I didn't even know Roxanne until then. 405 00:16:13,707 --> 00:16:16,708 But you crazy and out of your mind if you think 406 00:16:16,776 --> 00:16:18,810 that you can speak on somebody else's child, 407 00:16:18,878 --> 00:16:21,579 and then somebody is not gonna say something about yours. 408 00:16:21,648 --> 00:16:24,782 So, Roxy, you started it. 409 00:16:24,851 --> 00:16:27,218 - Now, Ashley, where is the issue stemming 410 00:16:27,287 --> 00:16:28,753 between you and Briana? 411 00:16:28,822 --> 00:16:31,189 - I just don't like that dirty-[bleep] bitch. 412 00:16:31,257 --> 00:16:32,357 She's a snake. 413 00:16:32,425 --> 00:16:33,658 She's messy. 414 00:16:33,727 --> 00:16:37,128 She's a fake-ass, selective, wannabe bully. 415 00:16:37,197 --> 00:16:39,530 Oh, she's a follower. I don't like her. 416 00:16:39,599 --> 00:16:41,899 I don't like anything about that bitch. 417 00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:45,336 - She said she had no problem with you-- 418 00:16:45,405 --> 00:16:46,804 - Oh-- - Before all this. 419 00:16:46,873 --> 00:16:49,107 So just maybe-- - Who'd she say that to, Jesus? 420 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:50,942 - Was that for the camera? - Wait, wait. 421 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:53,011 - You said she had no problem with Ashley prior to this? 422 00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:54,445 - Yeah, she had no problem with her-- 423 00:16:54,514 --> 00:16:55,580 - Prior to the incident. - Yeah. 424 00:16:55,648 --> 00:16:57,115 We're talking about prior to the incident-- 425 00:16:57,183 --> 00:16:58,649 - Prior to the incident, yes. - No, that's not true. 426 00:16:58,718 --> 00:17:00,251 Let's tell it what it is. 427 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,722 Back in the day, her baby daddy gave a statement to a blog, 428 00:17:04,791 --> 00:17:07,325 or he tweeted, or something-- this is with all respect 429 00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:08,926 to Devoin because he's got a girl now, 430 00:17:08,995 --> 00:17:10,561 and I love them both. 431 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:13,364 But back in the day, when he was single, 432 00:17:13,433 --> 00:17:15,133 he says something along the lines of, 433 00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:16,801 oh, she's bad, or, she's beautiful-- 434 00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:17,802 - Who's bad? - To me. 435 00:17:17,871 --> 00:17:19,137 - About you, OK. - Yes. 436 00:17:19,205 --> 00:17:20,972 And it was picked up, and it was retweeted. 437 00:17:21,041 --> 00:17:23,007 And I seen some funny [bleep] that she said. 438 00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:24,709 I don't remember verbatim what it was. 439 00:17:24,778 --> 00:17:26,778 But I seen something. 440 00:17:26,846 --> 00:17:29,147 And that's what kicked it off. 441 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,949 People like to throw rocks and hide their hands. 442 00:17:32,018 --> 00:17:34,552 And they bank on the fact that I'm not gonna 443 00:17:34,621 --> 00:17:35,853 call it to the forefront. 444 00:17:35,922 --> 00:17:37,555 No, bitch, I seen it. 445 00:17:37,624 --> 00:17:39,157 I have a problem with it. 446 00:17:39,225 --> 00:17:41,059 And I want to address it. 447 00:17:41,127 --> 00:17:43,294 And that's what they're hoping I don't do, 448 00:17:43,363 --> 00:17:45,396 because every time I do, it's, "Oh, I don't have a problem. 449 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:47,398 I don't know where this friction came from." 450 00:17:47,467 --> 00:17:50,968 - Is this something that maybe can get cleared up? 451 00:17:51,037 --> 00:17:53,471 - No, I'll never deal with that bitch in my life. 452 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,540 - What does the healing look like? 453 00:17:55,608 --> 00:17:57,241 Is it coexisting for you two? 454 00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:58,910 - It's definitely coexisting. 455 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:00,978 - But then what happens when there is a look 456 00:18:01,047 --> 00:18:03,181 that's exchanged or-- 457 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:05,817 - Just the same way we spent all those days at "TMFR." 458 00:18:05,885 --> 00:18:07,118 And there was-- - There was a lot of-- 459 00:18:07,187 --> 00:18:08,453 - Funny [bleep] being said-- - Looks exchanged. 460 00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:09,887 - Looks exchanged, [bleep] under the breath. 461 00:18:09,956 --> 00:18:10,888 I didn't address none of it. 462 00:18:10,957 --> 00:18:12,824 I don't have to, you know, 463 00:18:12,892 --> 00:18:15,226 always be the big, bad wolf blowing down somebody's door. 464 00:18:15,295 --> 00:18:16,527 I can chill. 465 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:21,032 - If an apology was something that was needed 466 00:18:21,101 --> 00:18:23,868 for the process of healing 467 00:18:23,937 --> 00:18:26,471 to move forward into even just coexisting-- 468 00:18:26,539 --> 00:18:27,772 - Mm-hmm. 469 00:18:27,841 --> 00:18:31,008 - Would that be something y'all would be open to? 470 00:18:31,077 --> 00:18:33,277 both: No. - Not giving or receiving? 471 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:34,545 - Because I only apologize for things 472 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:36,214 that I truly feel remorseful for. 473 00:18:36,282 --> 00:18:37,448 - And-- - You know? 474 00:18:37,517 --> 00:18:39,083 - I just want to piggyback on that to say, 475 00:18:39,185 --> 00:18:41,385 I won't be apologizing to anyone 476 00:18:41,454 --> 00:18:44,555 because I apologized to everybody that night. 477 00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,625 I tried to really make peace and just say, 478 00:18:47,694 --> 00:18:50,995 you know, an apology doesn't hurt me none, you know? 479 00:18:51,064 --> 00:18:52,363 And so I gave it. 480 00:18:52,432 --> 00:18:53,998 But I kind of feel like I just want 481 00:18:54,067 --> 00:18:56,400 my apology back at this point. 482 00:18:56,469 --> 00:18:59,036 - But if a conversation needs to be had, 483 00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:03,774 right, with you, Ashley, are you and Tea with the group? 484 00:19:03,843 --> 00:19:05,977 Because majority of them-- 485 00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:07,478 you know, and it's not a secret-- 486 00:19:07,547 --> 00:19:12,016 majority of them feel like you and Tea were in the wrong. 487 00:19:12,085 --> 00:19:13,317 - That's so good for them. 488 00:19:13,386 --> 00:19:15,386 - But so I'm saying, with that being said, 489 00:19:15,455 --> 00:19:17,088 right, if there was a conversation, 490 00:19:17,157 --> 00:19:18,256 what would that look like? 491 00:19:18,324 --> 00:19:19,257 - If that was the way I was treated, 492 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:20,258 and they felt that I was wrong, 493 00:19:20,326 --> 00:19:21,325 then these are some bitches 494 00:19:21,394 --> 00:19:22,493 I don't want to be friends with. 495 00:19:22,562 --> 00:19:25,129 - Just as they're condemning me, 496 00:19:25,231 --> 00:19:27,098 they would all have to condemn Briana 497 00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:28,799 for jumping on the countertop saying 498 00:19:28,868 --> 00:19:31,936 she was gonna kick me in my face or condemn Roxy for-- 499 00:19:32,005 --> 00:19:32,904 - Now, who said-- - Picking up a chair-- 500 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:34,272 - That was wrong? 501 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:35,907 - For picking up a chair and acting like she 502 00:19:35,975 --> 00:19:37,642 was gonna throw it at my mom. 503 00:19:37,710 --> 00:19:39,076 See, that's the double standard. 504 00:19:39,145 --> 00:19:40,178 - Right. 505 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,679 - I don't see the same accountability. 506 00:19:41,748 --> 00:19:42,947 - Mm-hmm. 507 00:19:43,016 --> 00:19:45,516 - And that's that clique, clique, gang-up [bleep]. 508 00:19:45,585 --> 00:19:47,485 And that's what I don't [bleep] with. 509 00:19:47,554 --> 00:19:48,953 I don't owe them a conversation. 510 00:19:49,022 --> 00:19:51,055 I don't owe them a mother[bleep] breath. 511 00:19:51,124 --> 00:19:53,724 - I totally-- yeah, I'm not in disagreeance with-- 512 00:19:53,793 --> 00:19:54,926 - Yeah. - Anything, and I think-- 513 00:19:54,994 --> 00:19:56,093 - No. 514 00:19:56,162 --> 00:19:57,528 - That, again, you both have every right 515 00:19:57,597 --> 00:19:58,963 to feel the way you feel. 516 00:19:59,032 --> 00:20:01,465 You both have totally different experiences 517 00:20:01,534 --> 00:20:03,401 of the same situation. 518 00:20:03,469 --> 00:20:05,236 And you're not wrong for saying, again, 519 00:20:05,305 --> 00:20:07,772 no, some things you just can't come back from. 520 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,509 Can I just offer that you do not negate your voice, 521 00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:14,278 you do not negate what you feel about this at all, 522 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:17,348 that you think about what does common ground look like. 523 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:18,583 I'm not saying you got to move on it. 524 00:20:18,651 --> 00:20:19,650 We don't need no movement. 525 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,620 But just process what that looks like 526 00:20:22,689 --> 00:20:25,723 just in case that conversation does come up. 527 00:20:25,792 --> 00:20:27,258 - Think about it. 528 00:20:27,327 --> 00:20:30,628 I appreciate you both being so honest and open right now. 529 00:20:30,697 --> 00:20:32,430 And, Coach B, as always, thank you for sharing your-- 530 00:20:32,498 --> 00:20:33,864 - Yeah, totally. - Words of wisdom. 531 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:35,566 Up next, we'll find out what Cheyenne 532 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:38,069 and Zach learned from Zach's first-ever session 533 00:20:38,137 --> 00:20:39,203 with Coach B. 534 00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:41,872 [upbeat music] 535 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,941 [applause] 536 00:20:45,144 --> 00:20:47,311 - Show the ring off, Zach. Show it off. 537 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:49,914 - Oh. - What's wrong? 538 00:20:49,983 --> 00:20:51,148 - Oh, my gosh. 539 00:20:51,217 --> 00:20:53,184 - I don't know what's wrong. - Is she OK? 540 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:57,488 [upbeat music] 541 00:20:57,557 --> 00:20:59,390 - Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 542 00:20:59,459 --> 00:21:00,391 The Aftermath." 543 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:01,859 Sitting with me now is Cheyenne, 544 00:21:01,928 --> 00:21:04,228 and let's also welcome her husband, Zach. 545 00:21:04,297 --> 00:21:05,730 - Husband. 546 00:21:05,798 --> 00:21:07,231 He a whole-ass husband. 547 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:08,499 - [laughs] - We like it. 548 00:21:08,601 --> 00:21:09,934 Show the ring off, Zach. 549 00:21:10,003 --> 00:21:12,136 Show it off. Let's take a moment right now. 550 00:21:12,205 --> 00:21:13,304 - Bling-bling. 551 00:21:13,373 --> 00:21:15,072 - Give the ring a round of applause. 552 00:21:15,141 --> 00:21:16,941 - Oh, shut up, guys. - We like it. 553 00:21:17,010 --> 00:21:17,942 - No, she did. - Wait. 554 00:21:18,011 --> 00:21:19,176 - She did great. 555 00:21:19,245 --> 00:21:20,177 - Well, Chey, talk to me a little bit. 556 00:21:20,246 --> 00:21:21,379 What resonated with you the most 557 00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:23,347 from your experience at "Family Reunion." 558 00:21:23,416 --> 00:21:25,249 - I was nervous to bring my mom. 559 00:21:25,318 --> 00:21:27,151 We have the same face. 560 00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:28,819 These girls know me. 561 00:21:28,888 --> 00:21:31,956 So they know that, like, my face is just still. 562 00:21:32,025 --> 00:21:33,090 Like, it's just dry. 563 00:21:33,159 --> 00:21:34,191 It's a bitch face. 564 00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:35,259 But they know me. 565 00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:36,294 - That's what I say all the time. 566 00:21:36,362 --> 00:21:37,328 - So they've never met. 567 00:21:37,397 --> 00:21:38,729 She has the same face. 568 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:40,665 So I didn't want anyone to think, 569 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:42,500 damn, Chey's mom is a bitch-- 570 00:21:42,568 --> 00:21:44,702 like, you know, has, like, resting bitch face too. 571 00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:46,170 So I was just nervous. 572 00:21:46,239 --> 00:21:48,039 And I feel like my mom has the same pack of friends 573 00:21:48,107 --> 00:21:49,640 from, like, the sandbox. 574 00:21:49,709 --> 00:21:52,510 I've never really seen, like, any new friends introduced. 575 00:21:52,578 --> 00:21:54,345 So I was nervous, like, is my mom gonna 576 00:21:54,414 --> 00:21:56,047 remember how to make friends? 577 00:21:56,115 --> 00:22:01,552 So I was really excited to see her branch out 578 00:22:01,621 --> 00:22:03,721 and, like, hang out with the other moms 579 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:05,323 and make connections. 580 00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:07,658 And I think that was kind of like my favorite part 581 00:22:07,727 --> 00:22:10,328 besides my husband showing up. 582 00:22:10,396 --> 00:22:12,763 - Hey. - All right, Mrs. Davis. 583 00:22:12,832 --> 00:22:14,832 - And, Zach, this was your first session-- 584 00:22:14,901 --> 00:22:16,367 - Yes, it was. - Right, ever? 585 00:22:16,436 --> 00:22:17,802 And this happened with Coach B. 586 00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:19,236 - Yeah, I'm glad that I did it. 587 00:22:19,305 --> 00:22:22,006 I'm glad I had the chance to sit down and meet with her. 588 00:22:22,075 --> 00:22:25,676 - Now, with Coach B, she had mentioned that you tend 589 00:22:25,745 --> 00:22:27,712 to turn into Mama Bear, 590 00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:30,147 and Zach will turn into a little boy, 591 00:22:30,216 --> 00:22:32,583 and that's the kind of dynamic between you two. 592 00:22:32,652 --> 00:22:34,118 How did you take that, how did you receive it, 593 00:22:34,187 --> 00:22:36,654 and what are you gonna do with that information? 594 00:22:36,723 --> 00:22:39,790 - I didn't necessarily like it because I didn't really agree. 595 00:22:39,859 --> 00:22:41,625 I felt like putting those titles on it 596 00:22:41,728 --> 00:22:42,860 was a little demeaning to him, 597 00:22:42,929 --> 00:22:44,929 and I never viewed him as a little boy. 598 00:22:44,997 --> 00:22:46,330 That's my man. 599 00:22:46,399 --> 00:22:47,865 That's how I view him. 600 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:50,301 I think that I'm just naturally a nurturing person 601 00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:52,269 and want to take care of everybody around me, 602 00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:53,404 Zach included. 603 00:22:53,473 --> 00:22:55,373 But I know that that's our relationship 604 00:22:55,441 --> 00:22:56,607 behind closed doors. 605 00:22:56,676 --> 00:22:58,609 So maybe, to an outside eye looking in, 606 00:22:58,711 --> 00:23:00,311 that's what you can take from it. 607 00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:02,279 But that's not our relationship. 608 00:23:02,348 --> 00:23:03,514 - Yeah. - Got it. 609 00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:07,218 - Did you notice a difference with Zach? 610 00:23:07,286 --> 00:23:09,787 - Honestly, yeah, because when she was saying it, 611 00:23:09,856 --> 00:23:11,122 I'm boiling. 612 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:13,224 And he was, like, all cool and calm. 613 00:23:13,292 --> 00:23:16,327 And I'm like, "Get her, get her, get her. 614 00:23:16,396 --> 00:23:17,495 Do something." 615 00:23:17,563 --> 00:23:18,829 But he's, like, coachable, I guess, 616 00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:19,964 and I'm un-coachable because-- 617 00:23:20,032 --> 00:23:21,198 - Nah, it was-- 618 00:23:21,267 --> 00:23:22,566 - I was like-- - That's the thing, though. 619 00:23:22,635 --> 00:23:23,934 - "Say it again." No, I'm just kidding. 620 00:23:24,003 --> 00:23:25,269 [laughter] 621 00:23:25,338 --> 00:23:27,304 - Well, I want to hear all about Cheyenne's mom's 622 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:28,939 experience on "Family Reunion." 623 00:23:29,008 --> 00:23:31,475 So let's bring Margaret down here. 624 00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:32,743 Come on down, Margaret. 625 00:23:32,812 --> 00:23:35,746 [cheers and applause] 626 00:23:35,815 --> 00:23:39,150 [upbeat music] 627 00:23:39,952 --> 00:23:41,585 Margaret, tell me, how was your experience 628 00:23:41,654 --> 00:23:42,820 at "Family Reunion"? 629 00:23:42,889 --> 00:23:44,555 - I had a great experience. 630 00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:50,094 My goal was to understand my daughter better 631 00:23:50,163 --> 00:23:53,097 and almost feel what she feels. 632 00:23:53,166 --> 00:23:55,166 I mean, I'm a very protective mom. 633 00:23:55,234 --> 00:23:58,202 And I know that she deals with a lot 634 00:23:58,271 --> 00:24:00,838 and goes through a lot with the career path 635 00:24:00,907 --> 00:24:02,306 that she's chosen. 636 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:04,608 So it gave me a little insight into her 637 00:24:04,677 --> 00:24:07,511 and all these other beautiful ladies and the moms. 638 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,580 We need to support these girls. 639 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:11,182 - Well said. 640 00:24:11,250 --> 00:24:13,951 Here's some unseen footage from the unstuck activity. 641 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:15,820 [soft music] 642 00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:17,021 - It's like Dad didn't-- 643 00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:19,924 he was a great provider. 644 00:24:19,992 --> 00:24:21,125 He was a great father. 645 00:24:21,194 --> 00:24:22,359 I mean, he's still a great provider. 646 00:24:22,428 --> 00:24:23,627 He's still a great father. 647 00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:25,729 But when it comes to, like, the love aspect, 648 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:28,165 like, when did you guys hold hands, 649 00:24:28,234 --> 00:24:30,067 or did you guys kiss? 650 00:24:30,136 --> 00:24:32,870 Did he buy you flowers? 651 00:24:32,939 --> 00:24:34,171 Right? 652 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,773 - But that's why I left. 653 00:24:35,842 --> 00:24:38,142 And that's why I told them I was leaving, 654 00:24:38,211 --> 00:24:40,411 because I wanted them to see what love looked like. 655 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,745 - Right. - Yeah. 656 00:24:41,814 --> 00:24:44,114 - OK, how did you feel when Cheyenne expressed 657 00:24:44,183 --> 00:24:47,651 that she did not want to have a loveless marriage, 658 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,920 something that she saw you go through 659 00:24:49,989 --> 00:24:51,555 with your first husband? 660 00:24:51,624 --> 00:24:54,792 - Well, we did not-- we loved each other. 661 00:24:54,861 --> 00:24:57,628 But we didn't-- we got together young. 662 00:24:57,697 --> 00:24:59,697 So she didn't see a lot of affection. 663 00:24:59,765 --> 00:25:03,467 But for some reason, we just got stuck into a rut. 664 00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:06,136 And it wasn't shown. 665 00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:07,605 But the love was there. 666 00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,306 - And how did that impact you, Chey? 667 00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:13,043 - I saw love within my household growing up. 668 00:25:13,112 --> 00:25:14,778 It wasn't, like, a cold household. 669 00:25:14,881 --> 00:25:18,148 But I didn't see, like, a lot of affection. 670 00:25:18,217 --> 00:25:21,752 When my parents did divorce, my mom was like, that's not-- 671 00:25:21,854 --> 00:25:23,454 that should not be your norm. 672 00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:25,289 Like, I don't want that to be your norm. 673 00:25:25,358 --> 00:25:28,192 I want someone who is gonna hold your hand, 674 00:25:28,261 --> 00:25:32,029 and bring you flowers, and slap your butt, like, 675 00:25:32,098 --> 00:25:33,197 you know, like-- 676 00:25:33,266 --> 00:25:34,398 - Romance you. 677 00:25:34,467 --> 00:25:36,500 - Yeah, she's like, you have to realize 678 00:25:36,569 --> 00:25:38,869 that your partner needs to make love to you 679 00:25:38,938 --> 00:25:41,939 all day long, but not-- 680 00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:45,175 not sex, but, like, mentally, you know what I mean? 681 00:25:45,244 --> 00:25:47,278 Like, I look for those things now. 682 00:25:47,346 --> 00:25:50,981 And I feel like that's because I've listened to her, 683 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:54,184 and I've seen what I loved from my parents' marriage. 684 00:25:54,253 --> 00:25:56,620 And I try to implement it in ours. 685 00:25:56,689 --> 00:26:00,357 - Why do you think Zach and Chey's relationship 686 00:26:00,426 --> 00:26:01,692 is so much stronger? 687 00:26:01,761 --> 00:26:03,227 - They started off as friends. 688 00:26:03,296 --> 00:26:05,329 - Right. - And that makes a difference. 689 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:08,265 You won't do to your friend what you'll do to your lover. 690 00:26:08,334 --> 00:26:09,733 I mean, there's a difference. 691 00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:12,369 And he's a very loyal friend. 692 00:26:12,438 --> 00:26:15,372 And it just blossomed. 693 00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:16,507 - That's amazing. 694 00:26:16,576 --> 00:26:18,042 - So-- - I love this. 695 00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:20,311 You all have a beautiful family for sure. 696 00:26:20,379 --> 00:26:21,512 - Thank you. 697 00:26:21,581 --> 00:26:23,147 - Well, coming up, we'll chat with Kiaya 698 00:26:23,215 --> 00:26:25,249 about what she learned from the "Teen Mom" moms. 699 00:26:25,318 --> 00:26:26,350 We'll be right back. 700 00:26:26,419 --> 00:26:29,353 [upbeat music] 701 00:26:29,422 --> 00:26:31,155 ♪ ♪ 702 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:34,224 - I don't really have friends at home. 703 00:26:34,293 --> 00:26:37,728 So, like, I don't really have too many people to confide in. 704 00:26:37,797 --> 00:26:40,965 - Well, we love you, just everything about you. 705 00:26:42,201 --> 00:26:43,500 - Now you're trying to out me right now. 706 00:26:43,569 --> 00:26:44,835 And there's so much [...] that I could air about you, 707 00:26:44,937 --> 00:26:45,836 and that's pretty [...] up. 708 00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:47,237 - Go ahead. 709 00:26:47,306 --> 00:26:49,473 - OK. - OK. 710 00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:53,978 [upbeat music] 711 00:26:54,046 --> 00:26:56,146 - We're back with "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 712 00:26:56,215 --> 00:26:57,147 The Aftermath." 713 00:26:57,216 --> 00:26:58,382 We're now speaking with Kiaya 714 00:26:58,451 --> 00:26:59,950 and her mom, Tiffany. 715 00:27:01,354 --> 00:27:02,987 Nice to see the both of you. 716 00:27:03,055 --> 00:27:04,488 - Thank you for having us. - Of course. 717 00:27:04,557 --> 00:27:05,956 - We're so excited to be here, always. 718 00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:08,192 - OK, so, Kiaya, what did you expect 719 00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:09,960 before you came to "Family Reunion," 720 00:27:10,029 --> 00:27:12,930 and how did it actually compare to your experience? 721 00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:14,164 - Yeah, I don't know. 722 00:27:14,233 --> 00:27:15,599 I was just very optimistic going into it. 723 00:27:15,668 --> 00:27:17,935 I was ready for anything. I was hoping for the best. 724 00:27:18,004 --> 00:27:20,270 I learned a lot of-- not just about everybody else, 725 00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:21,772 but about myself too. 726 00:27:21,841 --> 00:27:24,074 - Ooh, what did you take away about yourself? 727 00:27:24,143 --> 00:27:26,276 - I was afraid of being me. 728 00:27:26,345 --> 00:27:28,412 But when I got here, and I was just-- 729 00:27:28,481 --> 00:27:30,681 everybody was being their authentic selves. 730 00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:32,850 So I had no choice but to be my authentic self. 731 00:27:32,918 --> 00:27:33,984 [laughter] 732 00:27:34,086 --> 00:27:35,219 And it honestly kind of made me 733 00:27:35,287 --> 00:27:36,620 love myself a little bit more. 734 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:37,921 - Mm. - I don't know. 735 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:39,523 I just kind of felt mature, you know? 736 00:27:39,592 --> 00:27:40,591 - Yeah. - Yeah. 737 00:27:40,660 --> 00:27:41,959 - How about for you, Mom? 738 00:27:42,028 --> 00:27:45,195 How was it to see your daughter being herself? 739 00:27:45,264 --> 00:27:47,031 - It was amazing, but I looked at her like, 740 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:49,233 I mean, you belong, you know what I mean? 741 00:27:49,301 --> 00:27:51,101 Like, she definitely belonged. 742 00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:56,407 And I just love everyone just treat her like, you know, 743 00:27:56,475 --> 00:27:58,609 a little sister, and they give her advice, 744 00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:00,244 and they want to see her win. 745 00:28:00,312 --> 00:28:03,013 Like, everyone wants to see her win, 746 00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:04,848 and that is what I love, like, yeah. 747 00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:06,383 - That's important. - Mm-hmm. 748 00:28:06,452 --> 00:28:08,752 Now, Kiaya, you were one of the moms 749 00:28:08,821 --> 00:28:10,688 that did not get COVID. 750 00:28:10,756 --> 00:28:12,189 - I'm a survivor, baby. 751 00:28:12,258 --> 00:28:13,724 [laughter] 752 00:28:13,793 --> 00:28:16,026 How was it for you to build that bond with the other moms 753 00:28:16,128 --> 00:28:17,327 who didn't have COVID? 754 00:28:17,396 --> 00:28:18,929 - Well, it was really-- it was really nice. 755 00:28:18,998 --> 00:28:20,197 Like, I don't know. 756 00:28:20,266 --> 00:28:21,465 I kind of felt like we were spending-- 757 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:23,033 we spent more time with each other, 758 00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:25,169 so I felt like we grew a tighter bond. 759 00:28:25,237 --> 00:28:26,870 And then being able to meet Margaret, 760 00:28:26,939 --> 00:28:29,206 and Roxanne, and Christy and just to see that everybody-- 761 00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:30,407 - Wow. 762 00:28:30,476 --> 00:28:31,642 - Even the people that are not here-- 763 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:32,743 are a reflection-- 764 00:28:32,812 --> 00:28:34,011 - [laughs] 765 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,280 - Of they mama, and it was interesting. 766 00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:37,481 - I don't know if I want to be. 767 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:40,250 [laughter] 768 00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:41,685 I don't know about that. 769 00:28:44,824 --> 00:28:47,091 - Some parts, some parts, some parts. 770 00:28:49,228 --> 00:28:51,028 - I like the new generation. 771 00:28:51,097 --> 00:28:53,263 - Everyone's like, wait, what, what? 772 00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:54,565 - And I mean that-- 773 00:28:54,633 --> 00:28:55,933 - In the best way. 774 00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:58,869 - With you guys, I mean that in the best way possible. 775 00:28:58,938 --> 00:29:00,104 - Got it. 776 00:29:00,206 --> 00:29:01,905 - You know us. We're about to laugh. 777 00:29:01,974 --> 00:29:04,641 - Everybody's like their mom's mini-me in a way. 778 00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:05,943 And it's just--I don't know. 779 00:29:06,011 --> 00:29:08,912 It was really amazing to just see everything. 780 00:29:08,981 --> 00:29:10,614 Like, I always felt like-- 781 00:29:10,683 --> 00:29:12,082 like, I don't really have friends at home. 782 00:29:12,151 --> 00:29:15,119 So, like, it bothers me as a young adult. 783 00:29:15,187 --> 00:29:18,856 I feel like I don't really have too many people to confide in, 784 00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:20,958 other than Teazha and my mom. 785 00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:23,293 So, like, growing up, I always felt like 786 00:29:23,362 --> 00:29:25,629 I had to fight for my acceptance, 787 00:29:25,698 --> 00:29:27,865 like I had to prove myself. 788 00:29:27,933 --> 00:29:30,000 And trust me, these are happy tears and not sad tears. 789 00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:32,136 But it was just a relief-- 790 00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:33,370 - Yeah. 791 00:29:33,439 --> 00:29:35,706 - To not have to prove myself, you know? 792 00:29:35,775 --> 00:29:36,874 I felt so accepted. 793 00:29:36,942 --> 00:29:37,941 - Yeah. 794 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:39,409 - I don't know. 795 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:41,211 I just--I wouldn't take it back, and I'm very grateful. 796 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,914 - We love you, just everything about you. 797 00:29:43,983 --> 00:29:45,315 - Both of you. 798 00:29:45,384 --> 00:29:48,385 - Kiaya, you've--for the time that I've known you, 799 00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,622 I feel like there's always been this weight on you about-- 800 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:52,923 - Yeah. 801 00:29:52,992 --> 00:29:54,258 - Everything that happened with your father-- 802 00:29:54,326 --> 00:29:55,526 - Yeah. - This guilt that you carried. 803 00:29:55,594 --> 00:29:56,960 Is there anything that you discovered 804 00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:59,930 about yourself during this trip 805 00:29:59,999 --> 00:30:03,033 when it comes to healing and coping 806 00:30:03,102 --> 00:30:05,169 with what you've been through? 807 00:30:05,237 --> 00:30:10,941 - It's tough because I feel like no matter which way I try 808 00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,610 to deal with the situation, it's just gonna be something 809 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:16,046 that is gonna defeat me. 810 00:30:16,115 --> 00:30:17,381 I don't know. 811 00:30:17,449 --> 00:30:19,616 Like, I feel like, if I don't get it together, 812 00:30:19,685 --> 00:30:22,853 it's gonna drive me into a hole because, you know, 813 00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:25,155 most problems that people have-- 814 00:30:25,224 --> 00:30:28,292 like, other than, like, death-- you know, most problems, 815 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,760 there is a solution. 816 00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:31,728 But there's no solution for this. 817 00:30:31,797 --> 00:30:34,565 You know, I won't get my daddy back, period. 818 00:30:34,633 --> 00:30:36,500 I won't get the time back. 819 00:30:36,569 --> 00:30:39,102 I feel like I ran out of time, and it's not fair. 820 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:41,138 - He's your angel, though. - Yeah, he is. 821 00:30:41,207 --> 00:30:43,006 - Forever and forever will be. 822 00:30:43,075 --> 00:30:44,174 - All right. 823 00:30:44,243 --> 00:30:45,709 Thank you so much, Kiaya and Tiffany, 824 00:30:45,778 --> 00:30:47,010 for being here today. 825 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:49,346 After the break, we'll talk to Kayla and Luke. 826 00:30:49,415 --> 00:30:50,714 Stick around. 827 00:30:50,783 --> 00:30:53,383 [upbeat music] 828 00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:56,520 Up next on "Teen Mom Family Reunion: The Aftermath"... 829 00:30:56,589 --> 00:31:00,023 - He had called his mom and stood his ground 830 00:31:00,092 --> 00:31:02,059 for the first time, which I think was great for him. 831 00:31:02,127 --> 00:31:04,061 And then she disowned him. 832 00:31:04,129 --> 00:31:06,530 - Oh, my God. - Oh, my gosh. 833 00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:07,865 - I don't know what's wrong. - I got her. 834 00:31:07,933 --> 00:31:09,032 I got her. - Breathe. 835 00:31:09,101 --> 00:31:10,300 We got you. Breathe. 836 00:31:10,369 --> 00:31:11,568 - You guys, give her space. - We got you. 837 00:31:11,637 --> 00:31:13,036 - Can we call a medic? A medic. 838 00:31:13,105 --> 00:31:14,805 - Can we get someone here? - Can we get a medic out here? 839 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:19,977 [upbeat electronic music] 840 00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:21,812 - Welcome back to "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 841 00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:22,846 The Aftermath." 842 00:31:22,915 --> 00:31:24,514 It's now time to talk to Kayla. 843 00:31:24,583 --> 00:31:25,983 - Hi. 844 00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:29,653 - Kayla, let's take a look back at the conversation 845 00:31:29,722 --> 00:31:32,055 that Kayla had with Coach B. 846 00:31:32,124 --> 00:31:33,824 - What is your trust level like 847 00:31:33,893 --> 00:31:35,425 with your mom? 848 00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:39,429 - I don't think it's really there. 849 00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:41,832 I don't really know if I can depend on her to make, like, 850 00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,167 good decisions for herself. 851 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,403 She struggles with, like, severe anxiety, 852 00:31:46,472 --> 00:31:49,907 severe depression from, like, her own abuse growing up. 853 00:31:49,975 --> 00:31:51,241 I remember when I was really young 854 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:52,709 and I didn't really understand what's going on. 855 00:31:52,778 --> 00:31:54,177 She was in a very abusive relationship, 856 00:31:54,246 --> 00:31:55,979 and the only way she felt like she could get out of it 857 00:31:56,048 --> 00:31:58,749 was to check herself into inpatient. 858 00:31:58,817 --> 00:32:00,250 I was scared. 859 00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,552 I didn't know if my mom was gonna come back. 860 00:32:02,621 --> 00:32:05,555 I didn't know if she was gonna kill herself. 861 00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:06,556 - Why do you-- 862 00:32:06,625 --> 00:32:08,959 - Because that's why she went in. 863 00:32:12,364 --> 00:32:15,666 - Now, in the series, we did find out, you know, 864 00:32:15,734 --> 00:32:17,768 pretty intense stuff about your mom's past. 865 00:32:17,836 --> 00:32:19,002 - Yes. 866 00:32:19,071 --> 00:32:21,571 - And she suffered abuse, suicidal thoughts. 867 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,774 - Yes. 868 00:32:23,842 --> 00:32:27,844 - How hard was it for you to see her share that? 869 00:32:27,913 --> 00:32:30,280 - Yeah, I mean, something that she's 870 00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:32,015 kept private besides, like, you know, 871 00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:33,917 me knowing and family. 872 00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,552 So I think that was really hard for her 873 00:32:35,621 --> 00:32:36,853 to share with the world. 874 00:32:36,922 --> 00:32:38,622 But I was proud of her for speaking her truth 875 00:32:38,691 --> 00:32:39,756 because then, you know, 876 00:32:39,825 --> 00:32:41,191 she could hopefully heal from it. 877 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:44,461 - Now, you and Luke got into a big argument-- 878 00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,096 - Yes, ma'am. - Over the phone-- 879 00:32:46,165 --> 00:32:47,397 - Yes, we did. - On "Family Reunion." 880 00:32:47,466 --> 00:32:48,598 - Yes, we did. 881 00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:50,200 - Here's a look back at the conversation 882 00:32:50,269 --> 00:32:52,736 that Kayla had with Luke on the phone. 883 00:32:52,805 --> 00:32:54,204 - I don't give a [bleep] about a bitch 884 00:32:54,273 --> 00:32:55,672 talking [bleep] about me on social media. 885 00:32:55,741 --> 00:32:57,174 That's not what this is about. 886 00:32:57,242 --> 00:32:59,343 It's about the fact that she knows what happens to Izaiah, 887 00:32:59,411 --> 00:33:01,278 and she's trying to [bleep] cover that [bleep] up. 888 00:33:01,347 --> 00:33:03,180 And it's triggering that all this is [bleep] 889 00:33:03,248 --> 00:33:04,748 happening when I'm not home. 890 00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:08,118 - Check her! [bleep] check her! 891 00:33:08,187 --> 00:33:10,454 [dramatic music] 892 00:33:10,522 --> 00:33:11,922 I'm so sick of this [bleep]! 893 00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,924 It's my [bleep] kids! 894 00:33:13,993 --> 00:33:15,225 Don't [bleep] hang up on me! 895 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:16,226 Please, please. 896 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:17,661 I'm so sick of this [bleep]! 897 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:19,529 It's my [bleep] kids! 898 00:33:19,598 --> 00:33:22,466 Don't [bleep] hang up on me, you piece of [bleep]. 899 00:33:22,534 --> 00:33:25,469 [dramatic music] 900 00:33:25,537 --> 00:33:27,104 ♪ ♪ 901 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:28,839 - What was the end result to that? 902 00:33:28,907 --> 00:33:32,542 - He had called his mom and stood his ground 903 00:33:32,611 --> 00:33:34,745 for the first time, which I think was great for him. 904 00:33:34,813 --> 00:33:36,246 - Like, what do you mean stood his ground? 905 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:37,247 Like, with her? 906 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:39,649 - With her, yes, expressed himself 907 00:33:39,718 --> 00:33:41,218 because something, like, he struggles with, 908 00:33:41,286 --> 00:33:43,720 expressing himself and standing up to her. 909 00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:46,890 And then she disowned him and said she wanted nothing 910 00:33:46,959 --> 00:33:48,992 to do with him or the kids. 911 00:33:49,061 --> 00:33:52,029 - Now, Briana, you had a big reaction to that. 912 00:33:52,097 --> 00:33:55,632 - I just don't understand how someone 913 00:33:55,701 --> 00:33:57,667 can take it out on the kids. 914 00:33:57,736 --> 00:33:59,836 And even for him, like, that's your son. 915 00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:02,072 Why the [bleep] would you do that? 916 00:34:02,141 --> 00:34:03,974 So to me, it's shocking because it's like-- 917 00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:05,275 - Yeah. 918 00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,476 - Yeah, that's your son. 919 00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:07,811 Like, you need to be there for him, 920 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,748 and you need to be there for his kid also, you know? 921 00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:13,250 So that's tough. 922 00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:16,686 - Before you bring Luke out here, Kayla, 923 00:34:16,755 --> 00:34:18,288 are you and him in a relationship? 924 00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:20,657 - No, we are not. 925 00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,826 He actually got an apartment with his friend. 926 00:34:22,895 --> 00:34:24,094 So we are living separately. 927 00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:25,695 We're not in a relationship. 928 00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:26,863 Yeah. 929 00:34:26,932 --> 00:34:29,666 - Any possibility of that from your end? 930 00:34:29,735 --> 00:34:32,436 - I mean, I don't know what the future holds. 931 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:35,672 But I think, like, our past kind of caught up to us. 932 00:34:35,741 --> 00:34:37,407 - What do you mean by that? 933 00:34:37,476 --> 00:34:39,409 - Just all this stuff we had went through 934 00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:41,244 during the four years of our relationship. 935 00:34:41,313 --> 00:34:42,646 There's so much that we have buried-- 936 00:34:42,714 --> 00:34:44,047 - Sure. 937 00:34:44,116 --> 00:34:47,484 - That I just don't know if we can ever really overcome. 938 00:34:47,553 --> 00:34:48,952 - Even with additional-- 939 00:34:49,021 --> 00:34:49,986 - She's about ready to pass out. 940 00:34:50,055 --> 00:34:51,154 Can someone get her? 941 00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:52,589 She's about ready to pass out. - Oh. 942 00:34:52,658 --> 00:34:53,990 - Oh, my God. - Oh, my God. 943 00:34:54,059 --> 00:34:55,225 - I don't know what's wrong with her. 944 00:34:55,294 --> 00:34:56,226 - I got her. - I got her. 945 00:34:56,295 --> 00:34:57,227 - Got her? - Yep, yep. 946 00:34:57,296 --> 00:34:58,495 You're good. You're good. 947 00:34:58,564 --> 00:34:59,596 You're good. You're good. 948 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:00,697 - Breathe, breathe. - Is Jade OK? 949 00:35:00,766 --> 00:35:01,698 - Breathe, breathe. Just breathe. 950 00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:03,166 We got you. Breathe. 951 00:35:03,235 --> 00:35:04,468 - Oh, I'm scared. - You guys, give her space. 952 00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:05,569 - It's OK, we got you. - Can we call a medic? 953 00:35:05,637 --> 00:35:07,104 A medic. - Can we get someone? 954 00:35:07,172 --> 00:35:09,272 - Can we get a medic out here if they're not already there? 955 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:10,974 - There's a chair. Get that chair right there. 956 00:35:11,043 --> 00:35:12,008 - Calm down. It's OK. 957 00:35:12,077 --> 00:35:13,009 - Sit here. 958 00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:15,712 - I can just-- 959 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:16,847 - All right, guys. 960 00:35:16,915 --> 00:35:18,582 Let's step back for the medics here. 961 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:20,383 - Give her space. - Give her air. 962 00:35:20,486 --> 00:35:22,052 Give her air. 963 00:35:22,121 --> 00:35:24,855 - My chest is, like, hurt-- like, my chest actually hurts. 964 00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:26,556 [gasps] 965 00:35:26,625 --> 00:35:28,158 - Can you describe the pain in your chest? 966 00:35:28,227 --> 00:35:29,292 - It hurts. 967 00:35:29,361 --> 00:35:30,494 Oh, stop. 968 00:35:30,562 --> 00:35:32,062 Don't touch me, please. - Can I get-- 969 00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:33,530 - There's Sean right here. - She's shaking. 970 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:34,898 - Can we clear the room? 971 00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:36,533 Can we get everyone to clear out of the room, please? 972 00:35:36,602 --> 00:35:37,767 - Sorry. 973 00:35:37,836 --> 00:35:39,769 - Hey, can we get some guys to get her... 974 00:35:39,838 --> 00:35:41,671 - I'm so scared. 975 00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,607 - Just focus on-- - I'm just scared. 976 00:35:43,675 --> 00:35:45,909 Oh, God, I'm so scared. 977 00:35:45,978 --> 00:35:48,011 - Don't be scared. 978 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,214 - Oh, every time, I'm like, I'm dying, I'm dying, I'm dying. 979 00:35:51,283 --> 00:35:52,649 I'm dead. 980 00:35:54,419 --> 00:35:55,585 - Oh, [bleep]. 981 00:35:55,654 --> 00:35:56,920 - We're just gonna go right through here. 982 00:35:56,989 --> 00:35:58,088 - Oh, feel like I'm going to be sick. 983 00:35:58,157 --> 00:36:00,157 [tense music] 984 00:36:00,225 --> 00:36:01,992 Oh, [bleep]. 985 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:05,996 ♪ ♪ 986 00:36:06,064 --> 00:36:08,765 [upbeat electronic music] 987 00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:11,334 - We're back, and Jade is getting medical attention, 988 00:36:11,403 --> 00:36:14,070 and we'll update you as we get more information. 989 00:36:14,139 --> 00:36:16,072 We're gonna continue with our show, 990 00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:18,175 and we invited Luke here to give Kayla and Luke 991 00:36:18,243 --> 00:36:19,876 the opportunity that they didn't get 992 00:36:19,945 --> 00:36:22,078 in Oregon to work through some of their problems. 993 00:36:22,147 --> 00:36:24,514 So please welcome Luke and Coach B. 994 00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:25,849 [applause] 995 00:36:25,918 --> 00:36:27,951 ♪ ♪ 996 00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:29,753 - Hey, Luke. 997 00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:30,854 Hey, Coach B. 998 00:36:30,923 --> 00:36:31,922 - Hello, hello. - What's up? 999 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:33,590 Hey, how you doing? How y'all doing? 1000 00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:34,791 How y'all doing? 1001 00:36:34,860 --> 00:36:36,026 - OK, so, Luke, 1002 00:36:36,094 --> 00:36:37,227 Kayla gave us some updates. 1003 00:36:37,296 --> 00:36:39,196 - Mm-hmm. You two are no longer together? 1004 00:36:39,264 --> 00:36:40,997 - No, we're not. - OK. 1005 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:42,699 How do you feel about that? 1006 00:36:42,768 --> 00:36:44,301 - Wasn't my decision. 1007 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:46,236 I'll say that, but, you know, 1008 00:36:46,305 --> 00:36:49,940 I got to respect it and keep on living life, you know? 1009 00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:51,208 - Right. 1010 00:36:51,276 --> 00:36:52,809 Are you still in love with Kayla? 1011 00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:55,478 - Very much. 1012 00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:57,948 - How does that make you feel, Kayla? 1013 00:36:58,016 --> 00:36:59,983 - It's a hard situation. 1014 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:01,251 You know, I'm not gonna say, like, 1015 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,520 there's no feelings there. 1016 00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:07,724 But I do feel like our past just really caught up to us. 1017 00:37:07,793 --> 00:37:09,926 - Kayla, what was that last straw? 1018 00:37:09,995 --> 00:37:11,928 Take me to your mindset. 1019 00:37:11,997 --> 00:37:13,863 - I think just, like, my self-reflection. 1020 00:37:13,932 --> 00:37:16,233 Like, I didn't like the person I became-- 1021 00:37:16,301 --> 00:37:18,802 - Mm. - Throughout the relationship. 1022 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:20,870 Like, he became better, and I became worse. 1023 00:37:20,939 --> 00:37:22,572 It's just, like, ironic because I feel like me, 1024 00:37:22,641 --> 00:37:23,773 like, building him up, 1025 00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:25,508 I was tearing myself down at the same time. 1026 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:30,313 - Where do you think you fell short at with her? 1027 00:37:30,382 --> 00:37:31,815 - I don't know. 1028 00:37:31,883 --> 00:37:34,718 - Kayla, can you enlighten him on where he fell short? 1029 00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:38,088 - I would say really the cheating 1030 00:37:38,156 --> 00:37:41,124 throughout, like, the pregnancy and after the pregnancy. 1031 00:37:41,193 --> 00:37:42,626 And it wasn't just one incident. 1032 00:37:42,694 --> 00:37:44,060 It was multiple. 1033 00:37:44,129 --> 00:37:47,664 So I don't think he was in love with me 1034 00:37:47,733 --> 00:37:50,500 when I was in love with him, and then it's like-- 1035 00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:54,871 it took me, like, stepping out on him for him to, like, 1036 00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:55,939 develop those feelings. 1037 00:37:56,008 --> 00:37:57,140 - Did you hear what you said? 1038 00:37:57,209 --> 00:37:59,276 It took you to match his toxicity-- 1039 00:37:59,344 --> 00:38:00,644 - Yeah. 1040 00:38:00,712 --> 00:38:02,946 - And match his dysfunction for him to wake up. 1041 00:38:03,015 --> 00:38:05,248 I want to ask-- and you may not listen, 1042 00:38:05,317 --> 00:38:08,251 but I want to ask that you stop pursuing her and any woman 1043 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,919 until you pursue yourself. 1044 00:38:09,988 --> 00:38:13,156 - I'm good on any type of relationship right now. 1045 00:38:13,225 --> 00:38:14,391 - Mm-hmm. 1046 00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:15,759 - Like, I've learned I'm not good at it. 1047 00:38:15,827 --> 00:38:16,960 So I feel like-- 1048 00:38:17,029 --> 00:38:18,061 - Can you commit to that? 1049 00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:19,296 - Oh, definitely. 1050 00:38:19,364 --> 00:38:20,397 - Kayla. 1051 00:38:20,465 --> 00:38:21,498 - Yes, ma'am? 1052 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,199 - Tell me where you are. 1053 00:38:23,268 --> 00:38:25,135 There's a new relationship or something going? 1054 00:38:25,203 --> 00:38:27,203 - No, I'm not. I'm not in a relationship. 1055 00:38:27,272 --> 00:38:29,806 - OK, so you're not--oh, OK. 1056 00:38:29,875 --> 00:38:31,608 Well-- - Please tell the truth, Kayla. 1057 00:38:31,677 --> 00:38:33,276 - I'm not in a relationship. 1058 00:38:33,345 --> 00:38:35,245 I am seeing somebody, 1059 00:38:35,314 --> 00:38:36,980 but, like, it's new, you know what I mean? 1060 00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,815 Just feeling it out. 1061 00:38:38,884 --> 00:38:41,384 - The only thing that I was not OK with 1062 00:38:41,453 --> 00:38:43,486 is how early she brought the kids around him. 1063 00:38:43,555 --> 00:38:46,156 - No, no, no, no, no. - Tell the truth. 1064 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:48,291 - He helped me move a piece of furniture. 1065 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,794 - She had a friend-- the guy--help her move the bed. 1066 00:38:50,862 --> 00:38:54,064 And I was just upset because the children were present. 1067 00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:55,298 That was my only problem. 1068 00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:56,700 - Now you're trying to out me right now, 1069 00:38:56,768 --> 00:38:58,234 and there's so much [bleep] I could air about you, 1070 00:38:58,303 --> 00:38:59,436 and that's pretty [bleep] up. 1071 00:38:59,504 --> 00:39:01,604 - Go ahead. 1072 00:39:01,673 --> 00:39:02,906 - Kayla, you're getting emotional. 1073 00:39:02,974 --> 00:39:04,274 What's going on? 1074 00:39:04,343 --> 00:39:05,742 - Because I feel like he always wants to paint me 1075 00:39:05,811 --> 00:39:07,444 as this bad person. 1076 00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:08,812 And it's so [bleep] frustrating. 1077 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,380 His family does it. He does it. 1078 00:39:10,449 --> 00:39:11,348 And I feel like I don't be doing 1079 00:39:11,416 --> 00:39:12,749 [bleep] wrong to this man. 1080 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:13,950 - The family I don't talk to-- - I have helped him. 1081 00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:15,118 - Because I stood up for our child? 1082 00:39:15,187 --> 00:39:16,386 - I've helped him so much-- - Our son? 1083 00:39:16,455 --> 00:39:19,055 - And all he does is tear me down. 1084 00:39:19,124 --> 00:39:20,256 - This is the last thing I wanted to do 1085 00:39:20,325 --> 00:39:21,624 was the fighting and arguing because after-- 1086 00:39:21,693 --> 00:39:23,126 - No, it's just funny-- - This, we got to go home. 1087 00:39:23,195 --> 00:39:24,661 - Because before we came here, he's like, 1088 00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:26,596 "I'm not gonna fight with you. I'm not gonna do any of that. 1089 00:39:26,665 --> 00:39:28,331 Don't air out my business. I'm not gonna try to." 1090 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,466 Because I told him, I'm like, 1091 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:30,867 "I feel like you're gonna get up here 1092 00:39:30,936 --> 00:39:32,802 and try to twist the situation into something it's not." 1093 00:39:32,871 --> 00:39:33,870 He's like, "No, I would never do that. 1094 00:39:33,939 --> 00:39:34,871 I would never do that." 1095 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:36,506 But you're doing that. - OK. 1096 00:39:36,575 --> 00:39:38,208 - I feel like he's always trying to paint himself 1097 00:39:38,276 --> 00:39:40,577 as the victim, always. 1098 00:39:40,645 --> 00:39:43,046 - I don't want to cause any problems because the last thing 1099 00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:45,348 that I want--that's the last thing that I want 1100 00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:47,016 because my kids are my everything. 1101 00:39:47,085 --> 00:39:49,786 And, like, she knows that. 1102 00:39:49,855 --> 00:39:52,088 Like, I don't want our relationship to be 1103 00:39:52,157 --> 00:39:55,058 any more difficult than what it was. 1104 00:39:55,127 --> 00:39:57,594 And I just want to keep being able to see them when I can 1105 00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:59,362 or when I-- 1106 00:39:59,431 --> 00:40:01,965 like, what we got going now is perfectly fine with me. 1107 00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:04,134 And I just didn't want to come up here and ruin that. 1108 00:40:04,202 --> 00:40:08,037 And I wasn't trying to air anything out. 1109 00:40:08,106 --> 00:40:10,039 Like, I truly am sorry. 1110 00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:11,241 Like, I didn't-- 1111 00:40:11,309 --> 00:40:13,810 that wasn't my intention, and you know that. 1112 00:40:13,879 --> 00:40:16,012 - Understand that you're parents at the end of the day. 1113 00:40:16,081 --> 00:40:18,348 And it's really not about airing each other out. 1114 00:40:18,417 --> 00:40:20,650 It's about having a real conversation. 1115 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,752 If you can't be transparent, and you can't be honest, 1116 00:40:22,821 --> 00:40:24,087 you can't heal a lie, 1117 00:40:24,156 --> 00:40:25,588 you'll just be stuck in dysfunction. 1118 00:40:25,657 --> 00:40:29,626 Healing takes place when truth is brought forward. 1119 00:40:29,728 --> 00:40:30,727 OK. 1120 00:40:30,796 --> 00:40:31,995 - Well, thank you so much, Kayla. 1121 00:40:32,063 --> 00:40:33,296 Thank you, Luke, for being out here. 1122 00:40:33,365 --> 00:40:35,031 Really appreciate it. 1123 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,100 And that does it for "Teen Mom Family Reunion: 1124 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:38,368 The Aftermath." 1125 00:40:38,437 --> 00:40:40,370 Thank you so much to the moms, the grandmas, 1126 00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:42,806 the dads, Coach B, and everyone who made 1127 00:40:42,874 --> 00:40:44,774 this "Family Reunion" so special. 1128 00:40:44,843 --> 00:40:46,743 I'm Nessa, and I'll see you next time. 1129 00:40:46,812 --> 00:40:49,746 [cheers and applause] 1130 00:40:49,815 --> 00:40:52,248 ♪ ♪