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<i>♪ "Daddy?" "Yes, son?" </i>

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<i>♪ "Wh-wh-wh-wh-what</i>
<i>does regret mean?" ♪</i>

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<i>♪ "Well, son, a funny thing</i>
<i>about regret is ♪</i>

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The Butthole Surfers
are something that can only happen in one time in space.

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Wiener folk.

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You know, Gibby just, like,

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what the fuck, man?

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He was, like,
poetic and weird,

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and created this vehicle
for this thing, and he got so lost in it.

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There's so much yearning in it
to, like, break through

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to something that
hasn't been done before.

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But it's also dangerous,
you know?

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Just bringing
the fucking chaos.

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There is kind of a before
and after when you wander into a Butthole Surfer show.

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<i>♪ Hey, hey, hey </i>

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Like, the laws
of the universe change.

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<i>♪ Hey-hey, hey </i>

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<i>It's psychedelic.</i>

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People were scared.

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<i>♪ Even if you could </i>

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The greatest live band
of my lifetime.

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<i>♪ Let's go to hell, hey </i>

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Butthole Surfers is what
happened when Paul Leary

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collided with Gibby Haynes.

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<i>♪ Now I'm in love </i>

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Just blew my mind.

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I'm a surfer!

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<i>♪ Why don't they see? </i>

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<i>♪ Get your hands off me </i>

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<i>♪ Hey, hey, hey </i>

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<i>♪ Hey-hey, hey-hey, hey-hey </i>

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<i>♪ I'm burning out</i>
<i>Like a falling dove ♪</i>

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<i>♪ 'Cause I'm not fit</i>
<i>To fall in love ♪</i>

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Butthole Surfers, you know, what mother wants their son

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to grow up to be in
the Butthole Surfers?

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Right now I'm about as close
to normal as I've ever been, and it feels pretty good.

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I'm an old man that looks like
I should be working at the hardware store.

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It took you
a long time to get normal.

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Yeah, a very long time.

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I went to Trinity University
in San Antonio, Texas.

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My dad was a professor
at Trinity University,

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so I got a full scholarship
just for that.

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I don't know if I would've
gotten into any other school, really.

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I wanted to be
a stockbroker or something.

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It's such a normal thing.

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I've never really quite
felt normal, and I always wanted to be normal.

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I guess I figured
I'd study enough business

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to get a good job
out of college.

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But studying art
was the fun part.

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I had been drawing since I was
old enough to hold a pencil.

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My parents were sending me
to a psychiatrist.

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He wanted to see my drawings,
so I was always drawing vomiting suns for him,

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you know, in his great
psychological wisdom.

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You know, he could
analyze what that meant.

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I felt weird from the get-go.

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I struggle to fit in
with people, and sometimes

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I'm uncomfortable
in situations, and...

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I wanted to be something
that I couldn't be.

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So none of it ever
made sense, really.

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That's when I met Gibby.

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Hello. I'm Gibson Haynes.

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Everybody
knew who Gibby Haynes was.

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He was the star
basketball player.

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I wasn't that good of an
athlete, I just worked hard.

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He was in a frat,

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and he was also
a business major.

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I obtained
my undergraduate degree

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in accounting and economics.

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By then, he was in the art
scene and the music scene too.

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Very artistic.
I mean, he was putting stuff in the San Antonio Museum.

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So he had a lot
of different social circles that he was a part of.

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He was always
the showman, though.

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It's because
his dad was famous,

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and we all grew up
watching him on TV.

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His dad was Mr. Peppermint.

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<i>Welcome to Peppermint Place!</i>

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He was Mr. Rogers with
a little more flair than a boring sweater.

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<i>Help, Mr. Peppermint!</i>

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<i>I fell off a cliff,</i>
<i>Mr. Peppermint, over here.</i>

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<i>Where are you, Muffin?</i>

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<i>♪ As he strolled along </i>

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<i>♪ He sang a song of</i>
<i>The land of milk and honey ♪</i>

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Does any
of your flair for showmanship

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- come from your dad?
- Yes. Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Jerry Haynes. Good guy.

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My dad was just
the nicest guy in Dallas.

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Well, here we go!

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Gibby was
just that kind of eccentric, wacky person like that,

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that you really wanted
to be around him more.

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He stood out on campus
'cause he was, you know,

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6'7" or whatever the hell
he is, and...

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...punk haircut and
a black leather biker jacket.

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I was just so fucking cool,
man. I was beautiful.

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I just remember
going to his dorm and he had a really nice Pioneer stereo,

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and he had great records.

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He helped turn me on
to a lot of that cool music back in the day,

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everything from the Ramones
to Joy Division.

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Paul and Gibby, between 'em, saw each other,

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and there was an element
of recognition, maybe.

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They clicked. They had it.
It's the chemistry.

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You had this brilliant,
introverted Paul,

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and then you had
the outgoing Gibby,

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and they just really
went together so well.

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They were in love.

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<i>♪ Love, love</i>
<i>Will tear us apart again ♪</i>

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That's how love hits.
It's a big one.

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We kind of got into
abstract expressionism.

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Dada and all that stuff.

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Marcel Duchamp.
He's the original punk rocker.

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I just liked his attitude.

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<i>The</i>Mona Lisa
<i>with a mustache and a goatee.</i>

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Things that were
just stupid being art.

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- <i>Sacrilegious.</i>
<i>- Sacrilegious, blasphemous,</i> <i>all you want.</i>

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I was all about stupid ideas.

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So we started doing stuff.
Just weird stuff.

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Gibby and I were gonna
start a t-shirt company.

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We were selling
Lee Harvey Oswald t-shirts and pillowcases and bed sheets.

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And then we did make a sort
of a zine, <i>Strange VD</i>magazine.

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We took pictures
from a book called

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<i>Stitt's Diagnosis</i>
<i>and Treatment</i> <i>of Tropical Diseases.</i>

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<i>Strange VD</i>is
a wonderful book.

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You know, you should have it
next to your bed table

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for those hours
of quiet desperation when you can't fall asleep.

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It was so much fun,
man, those days,

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late seventies at Trinity.

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And I don't know
how the band came together.

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It just somehow...

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Uh...

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You know, Gibby had a guitar,
like an old Silvertone guitar.

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We would hang out listening
to music together and stuff.

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He would start
playing his song ideas.

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He started playing music
in Scott Matthews' house with Scott Stevens.

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Scott played drums.
I played guitar.

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We have a lot of people
named Scott in the band.

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And we played a song--

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the first song
we ever played--

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I was listening
to The Ventures.

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I really liked
<i>The Ventures in Space,</i>

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and so when we started
making a mess of noise, I had this little thing.

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After the noise, there was
a period of silence...

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...in which I said, "Wow,
that sounds like surf music."

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And the drummer Scott said,
"Yeah, butthole surf music."

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That'll perk
your ears up, right? - Yeah!

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Well,
we've got ourselves a song.

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<i>♪ Butthole surfers</i>
<i>Butthole surfers ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Fucking surfers</i>
<i>Butthole surfer ♪</i>

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"Butthole Surfer."
It was two chords. It was real simple.

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<i>♪ Butthole surf, wha-oh</i>
<i>Butthole surf, wha-oh ♪</i>

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That was
the first song we had.

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But I was playing guitar,

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and we realized that
a bass would be better.

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Paul could play guitar
better than me, right?

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Oh.

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Paul was like a psychedelic
master on the fucking guitar.

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Immediately recognizable.
Awesome guitar player.

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I think Paul is one of the
greatest guitar players ever.

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I started playing guitar
at, like, age five.

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By age eight,
I played in front of the school that I went to.

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And then I played in
some garage bands.

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I learned how to play
the Grand Funk Railroad

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double <i>Live Album</i>
from start to finish.

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And, you know, back then, you know, it was, like--

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it was fun to listen
to music that you knew would irritate your mom.

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She was
a Black Sabbath fan?

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I don't think so.

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My mom raised me
to be a gentleman.

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Man, if I didn't open
a door for a woman when I was young growing up,

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my mother wouldn't let me
have dinner. Seriously.

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I had to sit in the car.

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So after high school,
I kind of stopped playing.

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I felt like I wasn't making
any contribution to anything.

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You know,
it was kind of pointless,

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and I wasn't gonna be
a rock star, so why bother?

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So when Gibby invited me
to come play with him,

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I was reluctant.

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<i>You ready?</i>

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Oh, man,
Paul was so cool.

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I could express myself

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with a guy that could
play the shit out of a guitar.

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How the fuck did that happen?

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And then after putting
it down for four years,

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it kind of allowed me
to be fresh when I picked it up again.

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You know, I wasn't thinking
about what I'd been doing

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for the previous
12 years or whatever.

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And then I got a hold of
a single by the Meat Puppets

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that had a song called
"Out In the Gardener,"

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and it just sounded
like a train wreck.

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I was like,
"That's what I wanna do."

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That was, like,
March, April, May of '81,

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and we were playing shows
around San Antonio.

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It was more
of an art performance

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than a musical performance.

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But then we graduated college, and Gibby got his job.

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Are you talking about
when I was an accountant?

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Gibby graduated Accounting
Student of the Year.

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Which is how he landed his job
at Peat Marwick & Mitchell,

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which was at the time
the biggest accounting firm in the world.

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All I knew was I would get,
like, 28 grand out of college.

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Bam!

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He'd come to rehearsal,

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and he'd have this
kind of accounting suit on.

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And then he would
start stripping down to his boxer shorts,

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and then, "The real Gibby is
here," you know what I mean?

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Instead of having
to play this role.

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<i>♪ Oh, my God </i>

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I didn't get hired
out of college. I didn't get a job.

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So I was in graduate school
at the time at Trinity

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just to get a student loan
to buy band equipment.

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I wasn't finding work either,

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and I thought if I moved
to Dallas, I can get a job.

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So I was done.

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And then Andrew Mullin
came along and started playing with them.

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But then he flipped out
on a bunch of acid,

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took all the band's money.

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I, um...

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made a lot of, um...

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...sort of, uh,
difficult choices.

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- And just disappeared.
- Oh, that's it. Out of here.

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So they still had gigs booked,
and they're like, "Screw it, we'll do it as a three-piece."

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I was living with my brother,
and I was standing there watching, and it was like,

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"Man, they're horrible as
a three-piece. I'm gonna be their next bass player."

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So I sat and taught myself
how to play bass guitar with a cassette player.

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I was like,
"I'm your new bass player." Paul and Gibby were like...

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- Yeah, yeah, sure.
- Sure.

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And all of a sudden, I was in the band.

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And what were you calling yourself at this point?

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Um...

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When we first
started playing shows,

232
00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,415
we changed our name
at every show.

233
00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:53,246
Just the stupidest, dumbest
names we could come up with.

234
00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:55,869
We became
the Ashtray Baby Heads.

235
00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,147
9ft Worm Makes Own Food.

236
00:13:58,251 --> 00:14:00,874
- Ed Asner Is Gay.
- Abe Lincoln's Bush.

237
00:14:00,978 --> 00:14:03,670
The Right to Eat
Fred Astaire's Asshole--

238
00:14:03,773 --> 00:14:07,812
The Inalienable Right to
Eat Fred Astaire's Asshole.

239
00:14:07,916 --> 00:14:11,229
My favorite was
Playtex Butt Agamemnons.

240
00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:17,511
And then there was
The Dick Clark Five.

241
00:14:18,754 --> 00:14:20,100
We had a T-shirt.

242
00:14:20,204 --> 00:14:21,446
We probably had more names

243
00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:24,449
then there were bands
in San Antonio.

244
00:14:24,553 --> 00:14:27,038
And then we played a show
up in Austin at Duke's,

245
00:14:27,142 --> 00:14:29,282
where we got to open up
for The Big Boys,

246
00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:31,767
and Chris Gates introduced us.

247
00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,873
You know, and he said,
"This is..."

248
00:14:34,597 --> 00:14:36,599
He couldn't remember what our
band name was for that night,

249
00:14:36,703 --> 00:14:38,567
but he knew we had a song
called "Butthole Surfers,"

250
00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:41,432
so he called us
the Butthole Surfers. -

251
00:14:41,535 --> 00:14:43,848
So I'm like,
"Man, it's Butthole Surfers."

252
00:14:43,952 --> 00:14:45,332
Ha-ha, that's a funny joke.

253
00:14:45,436 --> 00:14:47,334
We were looking around like,
"Who? Oh, us? Okay."

254
00:14:47,438 --> 00:14:49,923
And then we got,
like, 50 bucks at the end of the show,

255
00:14:50,027 --> 00:14:52,650
and so it was like,
"We got our name."

256
00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:54,686
Sorry, guys.

257
00:14:55,342 --> 00:14:57,724
<i>♪ I'm talking to my mom</i>
<i>Now I'm talking to my dad ♪</i>

258
00:14:57,827 --> 00:14:59,381
<i>♪ Now I listen</i>
<i>To the stereo ♪</i>

259
00:14:59,484 --> 00:15:01,624
<i>♪ I'm walking down the hall </i>

260
00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:05,111
Butthole showed up.
They were that combination that made sense to me.

261
00:15:05,214 --> 00:15:08,252
Creatively, musically, it was
very weird and experimental.

262
00:15:08,355 --> 00:15:10,564
<i>♪ At the punk rock show </i>

263
00:15:10,668 --> 00:15:12,808
But they weren't arty people.

264
00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,776
They were right down there,
dirty, rolling on the floor, whatever.

265
00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:16,881
They were my kind of guys.

266
00:15:16,985 --> 00:15:18,641
And word spread quick.

267
00:15:18,745 --> 00:15:20,264
I was over at
a friend's house,

268
00:15:20,367 --> 00:15:22,473
so I'm really excited to see
The Dicks and The Big Boys.

269
00:15:22,576 --> 00:15:25,269
And they said, "Well, what
about the Butthole Surfers?" And I said, "Who?"

270
00:15:25,372 --> 00:15:28,789
And they smiled and said,
"Butthole Surfers. You'll see."

271
00:15:31,689 --> 00:15:35,003
The first thing
I really remember is kind of a maelstrom of sound.

272
00:15:35,106 --> 00:15:37,074
Just that chaotic energy.

273
00:15:37,177 --> 00:15:40,629
It wasn't just riff rock,
and it wasn't punk rock.

274
00:15:40,732 --> 00:15:42,251
It was freak rock.

275
00:15:44,391 --> 00:15:48,671
I was jaw agape that night,
and was an instant fan.

276
00:15:48,775 --> 00:15:50,294
Suck my dick!

277
00:15:52,917 --> 00:15:55,161
The band really started taking off around Austin,

278
00:15:55,264 --> 00:15:58,026
and it was kind of fun
watching the momentum build,

279
00:15:58,129 --> 00:16:01,719
but it started to dawn on me
that I'm not gonna be a normal person.

280
00:16:01,822 --> 00:16:05,757
<i>♪ Suck my dick, little sir</i>
<i>Suck my dick ♪</i>

281
00:16:05,861 --> 00:16:07,207
<i>♪ Fuck you, little sir </i>

282
00:16:07,311 --> 00:16:11,280
So I failed to get through
a master's degree,

283
00:16:11,384 --> 00:16:15,008
and I gave up on being
a stockbroker.

284
00:16:17,217 --> 00:16:19,495
As for Gibby,
his days were numbered.

285
00:16:19,599 --> 00:16:21,118
I quit my job at
Peat Marwick & Mitchell

286
00:16:21,221 --> 00:16:23,396
'cause it was miserable
being an auditor.

287
00:16:23,499 --> 00:16:27,193
Gibby was gung-ho
to go to California and make it as a band,

288
00:16:27,296 --> 00:16:29,919
and so, shoot,
I was ready to go there too.

289
00:16:34,269 --> 00:16:38,928
We first went to
California in 1982.

290
00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,447
We drove out to Los Angeles,

291
00:16:40,551 --> 00:16:43,416
and we had one show
opening up with Minutemen.

292
00:16:46,143 --> 00:16:48,869
Before we went out there,
I was telling my mom

293
00:16:48,973 --> 00:16:51,424
how the Minutemen
wrote 17 songs a day,

294
00:16:51,527 --> 00:16:55,842
and she said, "That's because
they can't stand any of 'em."

295
00:16:55,945 --> 00:17:00,019
Good point.

296
00:17:00,950 --> 00:17:02,435
The gig was on Melrose

297
00:17:02,538 --> 00:17:05,093
in a Mexican chop pad
called Grandia Room.

298
00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:07,026
<i>♪ I, Calypso </i>

299
00:17:07,129 --> 00:17:09,131
The idea was to blow minds.

300
00:17:10,615 --> 00:17:13,204
And, man, the Buttholes,
they fucking brought it.

301
00:17:17,139 --> 00:17:18,796
It was the greatest
fuckin' gig.

302
00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,282
I was like,
"Whoa, kindred spirit.

303
00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:24,974
Wow, kindred soul. Whoa!"

304
00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:30,842
So we played
our set to what I thought was very well-received,

305
00:17:30,946 --> 00:17:34,467
but it was LA,
and hardcore was just starting to really take off.

306
00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,641
<i>♪ Rise above</i>
<i>We're gonna rise above ♪</i>

307
00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:39,092
<i>♪ Think they're smart</i>
<i>Can't think for themselves ♪</i>

308
00:17:39,196 --> 00:17:41,301
<i>♪ Rise above</i>
<i>We're gonna rise above ♪</i>

309
00:17:41,405 --> 00:17:43,200
And we weren't
hardcore at all.

310
00:17:43,303 --> 00:17:45,926
I think Texas definitely
had an effect on them.

311
00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:50,207
How much does Texas matter to the Butthole Surfers?

312
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:52,657
<i>Come and get your ice cream.</i>

313
00:17:52,761 --> 00:17:56,489
Man, Texas is
everything to our band,

314
00:17:56,592 --> 00:18:00,769
to the attitude,
to the history.

315
00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:04,945
It invoked everything you knew about Texas, you know?

316
00:18:05,049 --> 00:18:09,605
That guns were rampant,
and it was the state that wanted to secede from the Union,

317
00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:11,124
and <i>Texas Chainsaw.</i>

318
00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:31,800
Anyway, so we decided
we'd take our last money

319
00:18:31,903 --> 00:18:35,493
and buy gas to drive up
to San Francisco, where there was free food.

320
00:18:35,597 --> 00:18:38,358
They had soup kitchens where
you could eat six days a week.

321
00:18:40,015 --> 00:18:44,157
And so we drove up there, and
our van starts to break down.

322
00:18:44,951 --> 00:18:51,302
And it just came rolling
to a stop in front of this place called Tool and Die.

323
00:18:51,889 --> 00:18:54,892
We look over and we see
a bunch of punk rockers loading drum kits and amps

324
00:18:54,995 --> 00:18:57,550
into the Tool and Die,
so we're like... - "This is good."

325
00:18:57,653 --> 00:19:00,415
And we started unloading
our stuff and going into the Tool and Die,

326
00:19:00,518 --> 00:19:02,382
and this woman comes out
and goes, "Who are you guys?"

327
00:19:02,486 --> 00:19:04,039
We're like,
"We're the Butthole Surfers,"

328
00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,489
and she goes,
"You're not playing here."

329
00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:09,803
When I want people to do shit,
they do it.

330
00:19:09,907 --> 00:19:12,496
She broke down
and let us play three songs.

331
00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,050
So here's the Buttholes
playing that show.

332
00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,534
The place was freaky,
it was scary.

333
00:19:16,638 --> 00:19:18,778
By all accounts a death trap,
a fire trap.

334
00:19:18,881 --> 00:19:21,436
And everybody was like,
"Oh, Dead Kennedys are gonna show up."

335
00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:27,235
They ended up being
a surprise act on the bill,

336
00:19:27,338 --> 00:19:29,996
and they saw us play
and Jello liked that,

337
00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:33,137
so we ended up hanging out
and going over to his house, met his wife.

338
00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:35,346
You guys are really good.

339
00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:37,521
And then Jello said
that we should put out

340
00:19:37,624 --> 00:19:39,488
a record on his
Alternative Tentacles label.

341
00:19:39,592 --> 00:19:42,250
I'd like to sign you
to my record label.

342
00:19:42,353 --> 00:19:43,285
That was it.

343
00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:44,700
Got a record deal out of,

344
00:19:44,804 --> 00:19:46,840
you know,
our engine breaking down.

345
00:19:46,944 --> 00:19:48,256
<i>Thanks a lot!</i>

346
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,672
And we were like,
"We made it."

347
00:19:50,775 --> 00:19:53,847
All I wanted was to get
into the studio and record.

348
00:19:54,434 --> 00:19:57,403
So I was excited to get back
to Texas and get started.

349
00:19:57,506 --> 00:20:00,992
But things just started
kind of falling apart...

350
00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:02,270
at that point.

351
00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:09,346
I don't think my brother
and Paul were getting along very well.

352
00:20:09,449 --> 00:20:12,556
It got to the point where
it's like, "All right, that's it, we're breaking up,"

353
00:20:12,659 --> 00:20:15,352
and then Gibby and Paul
disappeared with all the money.

354
00:20:15,455 --> 00:20:18,286
And it was kind of like,
"Hey, what is this?"

355
00:20:18,389 --> 00:20:20,564
Really? You want 35 bucks?

356
00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:22,876
That's just not
part of the deal.

357
00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,672
And that's when I went with my brother and his girlfriend

358
00:20:25,776 --> 00:20:29,883
to go confront Gibby and Paul
at Mr. Peppermint's house.

359
00:20:31,609 --> 00:20:35,682
Your son ripped us off!
Give us the money, asshole!

360
00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:38,133
And then Gibby
just came out swinging.

361
00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,031
Him and my brother
got into it real good.

362
00:20:40,135 --> 00:20:41,999
Well, fuck you, fucker!

363
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:44,588
Uh-huh.

364
00:20:44,691 --> 00:20:48,177
I think I might've swung
and maybe grazed him.

365
00:20:51,802 --> 00:20:54,322
Mr. Peppermint is,
"Stop, stop, stop!"

366
00:20:57,394 --> 00:20:59,603
But it-- it was no big deal.

367
00:20:59,706 --> 00:21:02,157
Gibby's mother just gave us
a bunch of money and said,

368
00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:04,470
"Here, just go away.
Just go away."

369
00:21:05,194 --> 00:21:08,336
So now we didn't have
a bass or a drummer, but we had a record deal.

370
00:21:08,439 --> 00:21:10,338
<i>♪ Whoo! </i>

371
00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:12,823
So we booked some time at
BOSS Studio in San Antonio,

372
00:21:12,926 --> 00:21:17,483
and we got a guy from Austin,
Bill Jolly, on bass.

373
00:21:17,586 --> 00:21:20,002
But we couldn't get a drummer
to save our lives.

374
00:21:20,106 --> 00:21:24,006
They had a really fine drummer
who would do all kinds of fancy rolls and stuff.

375
00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:28,045
And at one point,
somebody took a beer and threw it at Gibby...

376
00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:29,874
<i>- Okay.</i>

377
00:21:29,978 --> 00:21:32,187
...which hit the drummer,
and he said,

378
00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,224
"I quit. I didn't come here
to get bottles thrown at me."

379
00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:38,262
Yeah, they did throw things.

380
00:21:39,125 --> 00:21:41,507
Whereas me, it's like, "Yeah,
throw a beer bottle at me.

381
00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:43,371
Sure. Bring it, man."

382
00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:49,756
I was born with
two brown front teeth

383
00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:53,415
because the mineral level
is so high in West Texas.

384
00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:54,830
It's a matter of pride.

385
00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:56,660
It means that
you're from the soil.

386
00:21:56,763 --> 00:22:00,595
I remember King Coffey being
quiet, but really personable.

387
00:22:00,698 --> 00:22:04,461
- Just kind.
- Torpedo! Yes, good boy.

388
00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:08,741
At the time,
he was in a band called The Hugh Beaumont Experience.

389
00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:11,847
I first saw
the Butthole Surfers in '83.

390
00:22:11,951 --> 00:22:17,577
<i>♪ Oh, oh, ohh </i>

391
00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:21,478
They became my favorite Texas
band right then and there.

392
00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,066
It was about music,
but it was also just about

393
00:22:24,170 --> 00:22:26,552
letting your freak flag fly.

394
00:22:26,655 --> 00:22:28,864
That was a dream come true.

395
00:22:28,968 --> 00:22:30,901
I graduated from
high school early,

396
00:22:31,004 --> 00:22:32,765
because, one,
I hated high school.

397
00:22:32,868 --> 00:22:34,905
I couldn't wait
to get the F out of there

398
00:22:35,008 --> 00:22:37,425
and go to Austin,
where the punk rock scene was.

399
00:22:37,528 --> 00:22:42,050
But part of that is that
I didn't wanna deal with the whole pressure of the prom

400
00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:44,052
and finding a girl
at the prom.

401
00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:45,916
So I found a way to opt out.

402
00:22:46,019 --> 00:22:48,677
<i>A nightmare.</i>

403
00:22:48,781 --> 00:22:50,990
Most of my friends were

404
00:22:51,093 --> 00:22:54,407
so turned on by the Dallas
Cowboys Cheerleaders.

405
00:22:54,511 --> 00:22:56,685
I was really turned on
by the Dallas Cowboys.

406
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:59,757
<i>...at both</i>
<i>sides, and back tightens up.</i>

407
00:22:59,861 --> 00:23:03,451
For somebody my age
in Texas back then,

408
00:23:03,554 --> 00:23:06,868
it was like you had this
horrible, horrible dark secret

409
00:23:06,971 --> 00:23:09,905
that you can't
tell anyone about,

410
00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:12,632
because fags
get their asses kicked,

411
00:23:12,736 --> 00:23:15,497
and your life sucks.

412
00:23:15,601 --> 00:23:18,051
So to be in a punk rock band?

413
00:23:18,155 --> 00:23:19,708
Yes! Hell yes.

414
00:23:19,812 --> 00:23:21,745
We were still in the studio,

415
00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,712
and King came along
towards the end of the record

416
00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:25,576
and recorded on
two or three songs.

417
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,372
But at that time,
I only played on two drums.

418
00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:30,409
We could tell
we needed a bit more.

419
00:23:30,512 --> 00:23:32,169
We were like,
"Let's get two of 'em."

420
00:23:32,272 --> 00:23:33,826
Sure.

421
00:23:33,929 --> 00:23:36,415
So we knew Teresa,
and Teresa kicked ass.

422
00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:37,761
How you feeling?
You ready?

423
00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:40,488
- No.
- All right.

424
00:23:40,591 --> 00:23:42,490
Drink a little coffee.

425
00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:45,769
Take a hit of weed.

426
00:23:49,807 --> 00:23:52,016
She was one
of the music scenesters.

427
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,467
I was a punk and I wanted
to be in a punk band.

428
00:23:54,571 --> 00:23:57,988
And I think she might have been
playing in John Hawkes' band.

429
00:23:58,091 --> 00:23:59,921
- Oh, Meat Joy.
- Yeah.

430
00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:02,682
We played a show at
the flophouse where I lived,

431
00:24:02,786 --> 00:24:05,754
and I remember Gibby and Paul
in the audience.

432
00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:09,448
As the set finished,
Paul shouted something like,

433
00:24:09,551 --> 00:24:11,519
"What a fucking
great drummer."

434
00:24:11,622 --> 00:24:15,971
I had never thought before
that I could ever do anything with the drums,

435
00:24:16,075 --> 00:24:18,526
because girls
aren't in rock bands.

436
00:24:18,629 --> 00:24:20,286
And then when
I saw Debbie Harry

437
00:24:20,389 --> 00:24:22,978
and I saw pictures
of them touring,

438
00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:24,739
going to other countries,

439
00:24:24,842 --> 00:24:28,708
and I was like,
"That would be so cool."

440
00:24:28,812 --> 00:24:32,367
So one day,
Gibby came to me and he said,

441
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,611
"Do you wanna join
the Butthole Surfers

442
00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:38,649
and play drums
side-by-side with King?"

443
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:42,722
And I was like,
"Gibby, in my lifetime,

444
00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:45,484
can you get me to Paris?"

445
00:24:45,587 --> 00:24:47,486
And he said, "I think I can."

446
00:24:47,589 --> 00:24:50,592
So I called my mom and I said,

447
00:24:50,696 --> 00:24:54,182
"Mom, my ship's come in."

448
00:24:54,631 --> 00:24:58,600
And she said,
"Well, you're on probation for that little bit of pot,

449
00:24:58,704 --> 00:25:00,913
and you still have
four months to go."

450
00:25:01,016 --> 00:25:03,432
And I was like,
"Fuck that shit."

451
00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:06,815
So I called my probation
officer and I said...

452
00:25:06,919 --> 00:25:10,198
Ma'am, I've joined a rock
band. I will not be back.

453
00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:13,270
- And she was like...
- Oh, hell, I'm so tired of dealing with you,

454
00:25:13,373 --> 00:25:15,168
I'll just close
your case out."

455
00:25:16,825 --> 00:25:19,483
I never locked in
with another musician

456
00:25:19,587 --> 00:25:21,243
like I did with Teresa.

457
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,040
We just felt a connection,

458
00:25:25,144 --> 00:25:27,249
just a heart and soul
between us two.

459
00:25:27,353 --> 00:25:30,218
Like, yeah, okay. This is it.

460
00:25:34,015 --> 00:25:37,915
Two drummers standing up,
and the way that they sort of looked alike.

461
00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,021
It's like she's
my long-lost sister.

462
00:25:40,124 --> 00:25:43,300
All the rhythms that King and Teresa were making together,

463
00:25:43,403 --> 00:25:44,957
they had incredible groove.

464
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:46,683
Just in rhythm
with each other.

465
00:25:46,786 --> 00:25:49,409
Sort of marching band
meets tribal.

466
00:25:49,513 --> 00:25:52,620
It's almost always
gonna create a flam.

467
00:25:52,723 --> 00:25:55,105
That's two beats that are
sort of stuttered closely.

468
00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:57,383
It's gonna go, "boom."

469
00:25:57,486 --> 00:25:58,729
It's never perfect.

470
00:25:58,833 --> 00:26:00,662
I don't know,
there's something about it

471
00:26:00,766 --> 00:26:02,077
that makes it sound like

472
00:26:02,181 --> 00:26:04,873
you're smacking the shit
out of your drums.

473
00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:12,985
The first time she played with us, after the show,

474
00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:14,814
I can remember
giving her a hug

475
00:26:14,918 --> 00:26:16,505
and begging her
to stick around.

476
00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:20,061
Paul picked me up,
and the crowd was cheering.

477
00:26:20,164 --> 00:26:23,029
Let's give it up
for Butthole Surfers!

478
00:26:24,859 --> 00:26:28,759
And I was like, "This is it,
man. This is fucking it."

479
00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:33,384
I was playing with
the best band in the world,

480
00:26:33,488 --> 00:26:35,732
but not everybody knew it yet.

481
00:26:37,803 --> 00:26:41,323
In '83,
we got the first EP.

482
00:26:41,427 --> 00:26:43,740
That is a great
fuckin' record.

483
00:26:47,053 --> 00:26:49,538
The first phone call
that I had with Kurt,

484
00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:52,990
I was happy to find
that the first EP was one of his favorite records.

485
00:26:53,094 --> 00:26:55,268
There's the melodies
and the lyrics,

486
00:26:55,372 --> 00:26:59,341
but there's that chaos and
dissonance and noise as well.

487
00:26:59,445 --> 00:27:04,381
I mean, it honestly sounds
like the weirdest fucking thing of all time.

488
00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:12,354
It was time for us
to hit the road,

489
00:27:12,458 --> 00:27:14,563
and we had a record out
to justify going on the road.

490
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:20,639
But it took us a while to find
a bass player, because Bill Jolly, well...

491
00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:25,747
Bill had vanished,
been abducted by aliens or something.

492
00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:30,027
But I'd known Gibby since the
mid-seventies from Trinity,

493
00:27:30,131 --> 00:27:33,030
and they had a bass and a rig
and nobody was playing it.

494
00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,275
Terrence had a Chevy Nova,

495
00:27:36,378 --> 00:27:40,555
and this guy named Buzz, who
had done a stint in prison...

496
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,108
His name was Buzz Saw.

497
00:27:42,212 --> 00:27:45,491
Shit, I'll take that back
seat out for you.

498
00:27:45,594 --> 00:27:47,942
He ripped out
the back seat...

499
00:27:48,563 --> 00:27:51,739
Beat out the tire wells
so that he could put plywood in there.

500
00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:52,912
And then underneath
the plywood

501
00:27:53,016 --> 00:27:54,293
is where we'd put luggage.

502
00:27:54,396 --> 00:27:56,882
And we'll pull
a little U-Haul of equipment.

503
00:27:56,985 --> 00:27:58,090
It's a bench front seat.

504
00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,885
So three people would
sit in the front

505
00:27:59,988 --> 00:28:01,645
and two would lay down
in back with the dog.

506
00:28:01,749 --> 00:28:03,302
That was a great car, man.

507
00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:07,168
Little did I know it would
launch us into stardom.

508
00:28:13,174 --> 00:28:15,107
All of us wanted
to be on the road.

509
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:17,143
It was almost
a cult mentality.

510
00:28:17,247 --> 00:28:19,663
I felt like I was on
a mission from God.

511
00:28:19,767 --> 00:28:21,389
We're in this together.

512
00:28:21,492 --> 00:28:24,288
It was absolutely
where I belonged.

513
00:28:24,392 --> 00:28:28,568
<i>♪ Oh, I don't know,</i>
<i>And you can't say ♪</i>

514
00:28:28,672 --> 00:28:31,330
<i>♪ But even if you could </i>

515
00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,919
<i>♪ You wouldn't anyway </i>

516
00:28:34,022 --> 00:28:35,886
<i>♪ Let's go to hell </i>

517
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:38,509
We got to be
a better band the more we played, you know.

518
00:28:38,613 --> 00:28:40,511
We finally got into a groove.

519
00:28:40,615 --> 00:28:42,375
We kind of had this cockiness

520
00:28:42,479 --> 00:28:45,689
of like, we could blow away all
your motherfuckers on stage.

521
00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:48,140
It was great music,
but then it was also

522
00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:51,074
this kind of avant-garde
visual art project.

523
00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:53,801
<i>♪ There's a time to fuck</i>
<i>And a time to crave ♪</i>

524
00:28:53,904 --> 00:28:57,011
<i>♪ But the Shah sleeps</i>
<i>In Lee Harvey's grave ♪</i>

525
00:28:57,114 --> 00:28:59,013
From the beginning,
the Buttholes used very

526
00:28:59,116 --> 00:29:01,774
low tech but very
effective stagecraft.

527
00:29:01,878 --> 00:29:05,019
Gibby would put clothespins
in his hair.

528
00:29:05,122 --> 00:29:09,817
Like strobes and like
fake blood and dresses.

529
00:29:10,645 --> 00:29:12,164
Cockroaches.

530
00:29:13,234 --> 00:29:16,271
We had a roach problem
at Butthole Manor.

531
00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:18,549
One night,
Gibby and I both grabbed

532
00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:19,965
a can of Raid Stream

533
00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:22,312
and we were playing a game of

534
00:29:22,415 --> 00:29:24,797
whoever got to kill
the roach first won.

535
00:29:24,901 --> 00:29:27,144
And we probably sat there
for two, three hours

536
00:29:27,248 --> 00:29:30,320
because
we were tripping on acid.

537
00:29:30,423 --> 00:29:33,702
There's one,
there's one, there's one.

538
00:29:33,806 --> 00:29:35,670
The next day
they're all dried out.

539
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:39,432
Gibby took them to work
and xeroxed either side of it.

540
00:29:39,536 --> 00:29:43,505
Cut those up and we'd fill up
grocery store bags of them.

541
00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:46,232
And they threw them everywhere
like confetti.

542
00:29:46,336 --> 00:29:49,408
So when we got on stage,
the stage was just

543
00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:52,860
covered with these things
and it was just hilarious.

544
00:29:52,963 --> 00:29:55,621
They went and bought these
big stuffed animals.

545
00:29:55,724 --> 00:30:00,419
Second-hand stores,
they always have stuffed animals.

546
00:30:00,522 --> 00:30:02,524
And we were like, mm, okay,

547
00:30:02,628 --> 00:30:05,942
why would they want these
stupid children's toys, right?

548
00:30:06,045 --> 00:30:08,116
Well, later at the show...

549
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:14,433
They pull this giant
ten-foot-tall stuffed bear.

550
00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,817
This thing is like
Son of Kong.

551
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,854
Whenever we could find one,
it was so great.

552
00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:26,894
Gibby, he had to get up
on the ladder to pull the head off

553
00:30:26,997 --> 00:30:31,036
and all of the stuffing
starts flying out.

554
00:30:31,139 --> 00:30:32,900
And...

555
00:30:33,348 --> 00:30:36,006
The really amazing part
was there were a couple

556
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:39,941
of industrial fans on
each side of the stage.

557
00:30:40,045 --> 00:30:42,185
They ripped these animals

558
00:30:42,288 --> 00:30:46,845
and the stuffing came down
like surreal snow.

559
00:30:46,948 --> 00:30:49,088
The strobe lights.

560
00:30:49,192 --> 00:30:52,609
There was all of this stuff
just floating in the air.

561
00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:57,062
And I looked over
and the promoter was on the side of the stage

562
00:30:57,165 --> 00:30:59,961
and he was almost in tears.

563
00:31:00,997 --> 00:31:04,103
We weren't really
planning our careers or anything going,

564
00:31:04,207 --> 00:31:05,760
gosh, let's go out
and sell a gold record

565
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:09,108
and have a radio hit
and tour the world.

566
00:31:09,212 --> 00:31:10,869
So it was a hard life.

567
00:31:10,972 --> 00:31:12,940
There was no money.
If they had lots of money,

568
00:31:13,043 --> 00:31:14,769
they probably would
have shared it with us.

569
00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:19,463
We had to sleep on the floors
of any stranger's apartment.

570
00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,431
It was even below
living hand to mouth.

571
00:31:21,534 --> 00:31:23,916
We never had really
enough money to--

572
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:25,780
to eat well or any
of that other stuff.

573
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,093
So it really is
sheer survival.

574
00:31:28,196 --> 00:31:30,129
<i>And I need to find</i>
<i>some Kentucky Fried Chicken,</i>

575
00:31:30,233 --> 00:31:34,168
<i>a Whataburger,</i>
<i>a McDonald's. Right now.</i>

576
00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:37,274
We would eat by
going into a restaurant

577
00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:39,138
and order a pitcher of beer.

578
00:31:39,242 --> 00:31:41,278
And then when people
left their table,

579
00:31:41,382 --> 00:31:44,316
we would grab their plates
and eat what they didn't eat.

580
00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:49,148
We would also crash out in
the parking lot of a motel.

581
00:31:49,252 --> 00:31:51,806
And when people left
in the morning,

582
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,050
we'd run into
their deserted room

583
00:31:54,153 --> 00:31:56,707
and take a shower
before the maid came.

584
00:31:56,811 --> 00:31:57,985
Nyuck, nyuck.

585
00:31:58,088 --> 00:31:59,918
So that was
an adjustment for me,

586
00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:02,334
but we had
so much fun playing.

587
00:32:03,231 --> 00:32:07,477
Wasn't sure at the time
if Alternative Tentacles was the place for them.

588
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:10,169
Butthole Surfers make
a break for Touch and Go.

589
00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:13,586
It's a Midwest label started
by <i>Touch and Go</i>magazine.

590
00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:15,934
And then Corey Rusk
took over the label.

591
00:32:16,037 --> 00:32:18,902
All the money that came in
was used to pay off

592
00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:20,766
the recording expenses
and then--

593
00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:23,355
and any other expenses
associated with the record.

594
00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:25,944
And then any profit
was split 50/50.

595
00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:28,739
So being able to move
into Touch and Go was a great thing.

596
00:32:28,843 --> 00:32:31,570
And it gave
The Butthole Surfers a lot of support.

597
00:32:31,673 --> 00:32:34,676
I think started off a really
fruitful relationship.

598
00:32:40,441 --> 00:32:43,340
Gobby wanted to name
it <i>Psychic... Powerless...</i>

599
00:32:43,444 --> 00:32:47,275
And I think Paul wanted
to name it <i>Another Man's Sack.</i>

600
00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:50,934
And then they had written
it down, S-A-C-K.

601
00:32:51,038 --> 00:32:54,075
And I said,
oh, no, no, no, no, no.

602
00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:57,837
<i>Another Man's Sac</i>is S-A-C.

603
00:32:57,941 --> 00:33:02,256
I felt like we were referring
to another man's testicles,

604
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,122
not to another man's
bag of groceries.

605
00:33:06,225 --> 00:33:08,710
And they were like,
oh, whatever.

606
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:16,097
<i>Another Man's Sac</i>
was one of the records that I was listening to every day.

607
00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:19,066
<i>♪ I went into the theater,</i>
<i>I decide to whirl ♪</i>

608
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:21,033
<i>♪ I'll take a man,</i>
<i>I'll see him again ♪</i>

609
00:33:21,137 --> 00:33:23,863
<i>♪ Never seen-a said,</i>
<i>"Buddy boy" ♪</i>

610
00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:27,729
Personally, that's my
favorite album because it has the really weird shit on it.

611
00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:28,972
Like the really
fucked up shit.

612
00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:30,767
They're just hinting
at musical forms.

613
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:33,942
There's not one song
like the other song on that record.

614
00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:37,843
After you listen
to something like...

615
00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:40,121
"Lady Sniff,"
you know, leading off.

616
00:33:45,782 --> 00:33:47,197
"Lady Sniff." Yeah.

617
00:33:47,301 --> 00:33:49,820
"Lady Sniff."
I fucking loved that song.

618
00:33:51,443 --> 00:33:53,100
<i>♪ Lady sniff</i>
<i>My twisted Lincoln ♪</i>

619
00:33:53,203 --> 00:33:55,033
<i>♪ Lady walk alone </i>

620
00:33:55,136 --> 00:33:58,139
<i>♪ Lately when</i>
<i>I see you, baby ♪</i>

621
00:33:58,243 --> 00:34:00,314
<i>♪ Lord I gotta go </i>

622
00:34:00,417 --> 00:34:02,523
That one came from
Trinity University.

623
00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:07,942
One day I was driving
from my apartment to class and it just hit me.

624
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,634
Lady Sniff.
Lady Sniff. Lady Sniff.

625
00:34:10,738 --> 00:34:13,120
So I turned around and went
back to my apartment

626
00:34:13,223 --> 00:34:14,638
and got on the phone
and called Gibby

627
00:34:14,742 --> 00:34:17,952
and go, Gibby, you gotta
remember this. Lady Sniff.

628
00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:20,230
He ended up coming up
with lyrics.

629
00:34:20,334 --> 00:34:23,682
Do you
remember that? - No.

630
00:34:28,583 --> 00:34:30,896
<i>♪ Lady sniff</i>
<i>My broken teabag ♪</i>

631
00:34:30,999 --> 00:34:33,174
<i>♪ Lady walk the road </i>

632
00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:37,558
<i>♪ Lately when I see that teabag</i>
<i>I can't take the load ♪</i>

633
00:34:37,661 --> 00:34:41,596
It's like the closest,
like, a song can be to being like a cartoon.

634
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:46,187
I mean, the barfing sound effect
they chose is so perfect.

635
00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:48,983
Just the most obnoxious fart.

636
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:51,986
You know, for people like us
who have the shared sensibility

637
00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,022
that like that kind of thing,
it's just...

638
00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:55,783
resonates in the best way.

639
00:34:57,923 --> 00:35:02,928
The one song that, like,
gutted me like a fish was "Cherub."

640
00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:08,485
There was something so dark
and devious about that song.

641
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:09,900
<i>♪ Cherub </i>

642
00:35:14,871 --> 00:35:16,804
<i>♪ Cherub the angel </i>

643
00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:23,742
<i>♪ Roll back</i>
<i>The hands of time ♪</i>

644
00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:32,820
Besides the fact that
it was an obvious dance hit.

645
00:35:38,343 --> 00:35:40,966
45 shows
in six months, something like that.

646
00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:43,520
I think I was just burned out.
I was definitely sick.

647
00:35:43,624 --> 00:35:46,834
I mean, like diarrhea
and just worn out.

648
00:35:46,937 --> 00:35:49,561
Well, we woke up in the
morning and Terence woke up

649
00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:53,185
and he was upset 'cause
he didn't have any milk,

650
00:35:53,289 --> 00:35:54,635
but we couldn't afford milk.

651
00:35:54,738 --> 00:35:56,602
You know, we could
afford beer, but not milk.

652
00:35:56,706 --> 00:35:59,743
And then started saying
he just couldn't understand

653
00:35:59,847 --> 00:36:02,470
why we would do
what we were doing.

654
00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:04,990
And he gathered his guitar
and got in a cab and left.

655
00:36:05,093 --> 00:36:08,511
And then I went back to
San Antonio, moved to Japan. The rest is history.

656
00:36:08,614 --> 00:36:12,170
And Corey
from Touch and Go knew this kid from Canada...

657
00:36:12,273 --> 00:36:14,413
Trevor?

658
00:36:14,517 --> 00:36:16,312
Will he play bass
for us? Yes.

659
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:18,176
But he also brought
a tuba with him.

660
00:36:18,279 --> 00:36:19,729
Actually,
he didn't play a tuba.

661
00:36:19,832 --> 00:36:21,006
He played a sousaphone.

662
00:36:30,015 --> 00:36:34,261
And then we get to Canada
and we're at soundcheck and all of a sudden his old

663
00:36:34,364 --> 00:36:36,297
high school band
teacher shows up.

664
00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:39,404
He's like, I want
my sousaphone back.

665
00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,754
I think it was
kind of downhill for Trevor after that.

666
00:36:50,346 --> 00:36:52,900
Anywho. So we... So we were
desperately looking

667
00:36:53,003 --> 00:36:56,490
for a bass player again.

668
00:36:56,593 --> 00:36:58,906
And we knew that
Kramer played bass.

669
00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,184
Just for the record,
everybody calls me Kramer.

670
00:37:01,771 --> 00:37:04,843
We'd gotten
to know Kramer through his playing for Shockabilly.

671
00:37:04,946 --> 00:37:08,260
When Shockabilly
would come to Austin, you know, we became friends.

672
00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:12,816
And they decided to go to
Athens and move in with R.E.M. or do something like that.

673
00:37:13,438 --> 00:37:17,200
We were in Seattle.
We'd all been drinking, acid was floating around,

674
00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:19,029
and I don't know
whose idea it was.

675
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,963
Like, let's go
to Athens, Georgia.

676
00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:25,415
Let's meet R.E.M.

677
00:37:27,728 --> 00:37:30,696
So we went there
to intentionally stalk R.E.M.

678
00:37:34,459 --> 00:37:36,737
We had an unhealthy obsession.

679
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,945
Who doesn't like R.E.M.?

680
00:37:38,048 --> 00:37:39,498
Michael Stipe showed up

681
00:37:39,602 --> 00:37:42,018
at some kind of festival
the band was doing in Athens.

682
00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:44,365
And he invited a bunch
of the bands after the show

683
00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:48,024
back to his estate
for a party.

684
00:37:48,127 --> 00:37:52,235
But he conspicuously did not
invite the Butthole Surfers.

685
00:37:52,339 --> 00:37:54,789
Gibby took
an exception to this.

686
00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:57,999
So they followed some of
the bands back to the estate.

687
00:38:00,416 --> 00:38:04,247
And as I recall, Gibby
took a can of spray paint.

688
00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:07,906
And on the side of our van,
he spray painted,

689
00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:12,428
Michael Stipe,
despite the hype,

690
00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:14,947
we still want to suck
your big, long pipe.

691
00:38:20,574 --> 00:38:23,611
No, we never wrote
that anywhere.

692
00:38:23,715 --> 00:38:25,786
Maybe we talked
about doing that.

693
00:38:26,856 --> 00:38:30,169
Oh, God.
I don't know, man.

694
00:38:30,273 --> 00:38:33,794
We never obsessed over
Michael Stipe's...

695
00:38:33,897 --> 00:38:36,141
penis at all, ever.

696
00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:37,867
It's one of those things,
if you remember,

697
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,421
you weren't there,
you know, so I'm not sure.

698
00:38:40,525 --> 00:38:43,044
Paul would know.
Paul would remember.

699
00:38:44,598 --> 00:38:46,082
I don't remember.

700
00:38:46,185 --> 00:38:48,878
After I joined
the band, I convinced Paul

701
00:38:48,981 --> 00:38:50,983
that if people saw
the band in Europe,

702
00:38:51,087 --> 00:38:52,778
this would be explosive.

703
00:38:52,882 --> 00:38:55,229
So I got a couple of
promoters in Europe interested.

704
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,335
And the promoter
in the Netherlands

705
00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:00,096
got us booked into
this massive festival.

706
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,856
It was an incredible lineup,

707
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,342
- including Alex Chilton...
- Nick Cave...

708
00:39:04,445 --> 00:39:06,344
- Sonic Youth...
- And the Butthole Surfers.

709
00:39:06,447 --> 00:39:08,587
And I was excited
to be playing

710
00:39:08,691 --> 00:39:11,176
with all those bands.
And, uh...

711
00:39:32,024 --> 00:39:35,718
Before the show, Gibby had
a big bottle of whiskey...

712
00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:39,825
A couple tabs of acid,
and he said...

713
00:39:41,344 --> 00:39:42,897
Showtime.

714
00:39:57,602 --> 00:39:59,431
It reminded me of
that old Bugs Bunny thing

715
00:39:59,535 --> 00:40:01,157
where Daffy Duck is trying
to do the thing.

716
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,987
And he drinks
all nitroglycerin, blows himself up.

717
00:40:04,091 --> 00:40:06,887
He just goes, it's a great show,
but I can only do it once.

718
00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:10,891
But the Buttholes kept doing
it and doing it and doing it.

719
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:18,001
After we got off stage,
Gibby was covered in a fake blood,

720
00:40:18,105 --> 00:40:20,176
as he usually was
after those performances.

721
00:40:20,279 --> 00:40:22,350
And we lost track of him.

722
00:40:23,351 --> 00:40:27,286
About a half hour later,
a security guy came right up to me and said,

723
00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:28,874
"We have a member of
your band.

724
00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:31,083
He is running around
and breaking glass bottles."

725
00:40:31,187 --> 00:40:33,776
He was picking fights
with the big, giant bouncers.

726
00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:36,986
And there was a scuffle
and he almost went over this rail.

727
00:40:37,089 --> 00:40:39,333
And I looked over the rail
and it was 50 feet down.

728
00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:40,921
You know,
it would have been bad.

729
00:40:41,024 --> 00:40:44,442
Did I say he was stark naked?
He was also stark naked.

730
00:40:45,684 --> 00:40:49,032
I was so irresponsibly naked.

731
00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:52,829
You Dutch, with your angles

732
00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:56,971
and your doors and your ovens.

733
00:40:58,248 --> 00:40:59,560
Yeah.

734
00:40:59,664 --> 00:41:02,321
Then I rushed
a Nick Cave show.

735
00:41:02,425 --> 00:41:05,463
Gibby jumps up on stage.

736
00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:09,259
Then a security man
tackles him to the ground.

737
00:41:09,363 --> 00:41:10,468
Whoa!

738
00:41:10,571 --> 00:41:12,849
Blixa Bargeld from
the Bad Seeds

739
00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:15,783
with these pointy
metal-tipped boots

740
00:41:15,887 --> 00:41:17,785
is kicking
the shit out of Gibby.

741
00:41:23,791 --> 00:41:26,345
And they quickly...

742
00:41:26,449 --> 00:41:27,899
scooted me away.

743
00:41:28,002 --> 00:41:29,625
I run back to
the dressing room.

744
00:41:29,728 --> 00:41:31,592
Paul at this point has had it.

745
00:41:31,696 --> 00:41:33,629
Grabs a beer bottle,
takes it out

746
00:41:33,732 --> 00:41:36,321
and smashes it on
his Telecaster guitar.

747
00:41:36,424 --> 00:41:38,047
"I hate this fucking band."

748
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,567
They were screaming
at each other backstage...

749
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:43,708
And he'd take another bottle
and each time, "I quit."

750
00:41:43,811 --> 00:41:45,503
Fuck you. No, fuck you.

751
00:41:45,606 --> 00:41:48,057
I fucking quit
this fucking band.

752
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,887
And Gibby, maybe three
feet away with the glass

753
00:41:50,991 --> 00:41:53,821
shattering all over him,
stark naked from head to toe,

754
00:41:53,925 --> 00:41:56,686
dripping in fake blood,
smile on his face,

755
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:59,724
very calmly, as though
this was the point

756
00:41:59,827 --> 00:42:01,967
of his behavior for
the evening,

757
00:42:02,071 --> 00:42:05,626
to see Paul smashing
the shit out of his guitars and quitting the band.

758
00:42:06,247 --> 00:42:08,629
Yeah, uh...

759
00:42:11,874 --> 00:42:13,600
I don't know how
we survived that night.

760
00:42:13,703 --> 00:42:18,812
Paul was very, very interested
in seeing the band do really well,

761
00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:21,884
and Gibby was really committed

762
00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:25,612
to avoiding sobriety
at all costs.

763
00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:27,683
<i>I love you.</i>

764
00:42:27,786 --> 00:42:31,031
The next morning
I picked up the paper and was like, open it up.

765
00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:34,103
And there's a big full
page picture of Gibby wearing a dress

766
00:42:34,206 --> 00:42:36,312
with the whiskey bottle
hoisted up.

767
00:42:36,415 --> 00:42:39,936
And although
it left Paul on the verge of quitting the band,

768
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,767
Gibby's behavior
is why we were offered

769
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:45,735
the opportunity to come back
to Europe as soon as possible.

770
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,944
So it was a huge hit.

771
00:43:02,925 --> 00:43:04,616
- Hey, Trevor.
- Yes?

772
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,170
So can you just
talk about your time?

773
00:43:07,274 --> 00:43:09,863
What you remember with
the Butthole Surfers?

774
00:43:09,966 --> 00:43:11,623
<i>You know,</i>
<i>it was the best of times,</i>

775
00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,867
<i>it was the worst of times.</i>

776
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:15,869
<i>You know, be careful what</i>
<i>you wish for, I guess.</i>

777
00:43:15,972 --> 00:43:17,940
<i>I ran away</i>
<i>and joined the circus.</i>

778
00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:20,632
<i>Turns out the circus had</i>
<i>a couple of jerks in it,</i> <i>you know.</i>

779
00:43:20,736 --> 00:43:24,222
<i>The Butthole Surfers</i>
<i>are sort of</i> <i>the Manson of punk rock.</i>

780
00:43:24,325 --> 00:43:27,984
<i>You're in</i>
<i>this weird club now.</i> <i>These are the rules.</i>

781
00:43:28,088 --> 00:43:29,986
<i>There's this morphogenic</i>
<i>field of, like,</i>

782
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,781
<i>Gibby's the leader</i>
<i>or some shit.</i>

783
00:43:31,885 --> 00:43:33,783
<i>I have no idea why</i>
<i>everybody put up with it.</i>

784
00:43:33,887 --> 00:43:36,406
<i>And he was, like,</i>
<i>purposefully intimidating.</i>

785
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,861
<i>And I realized that</i>
<i>these people were not</i> <i>sympathetic people.</i>

786
00:43:42,965 --> 00:43:45,553
<i>So I just got the fuck out.</i>
<i>I was like, this is stupid.</i>

787
00:43:45,657 --> 00:43:48,833
<i>I-- I didn't talk for</i>
<i>a long time after</i> <i>I was with the Buttholes.</i>

788
00:43:48,936 --> 00:43:50,904
<i>I was so traumatized,</i>
<i>I actually didn't talk.</i>

789
00:43:52,353 --> 00:43:53,389
<i>Yeah, it was weird.</i>

790
00:44:00,948 --> 00:44:04,227
After that European tour,
I couldn't justify in my head

791
00:44:04,331 --> 00:44:08,611
23 hours a day of sheer hell
and near-death experiences

792
00:44:08,715 --> 00:44:10,786
in exchange for
one hour on stage

793
00:44:10,889 --> 00:44:14,686
that was like dying
and going to heaven.

794
00:44:15,342 --> 00:44:17,033
I thought they were
the best band in the world,

795
00:44:17,137 --> 00:44:18,483
and I thought
I was playing bass

796
00:44:18,586 --> 00:44:19,726
in the best band
in the world.

797
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:21,279
But when it came
time to leave,

798
00:44:21,382 --> 00:44:24,006
there just didn't seem
to be any choice to me.

799
00:44:25,628 --> 00:44:27,526
But one of
my greatest pieces of pride

800
00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:30,460
as a Butthole Surfer was that
had I not left the band,

801
00:44:30,564 --> 00:44:32,911
the world might not know
JD Pinkus.

802
00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:34,775
When I joined,
they informed me

803
00:44:34,879 --> 00:44:36,535
that we sleep on
a lot of floors.

804
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,917
I was like, like every night?
They're like, pretty much.

805
00:44:39,021 --> 00:44:42,024
I was like,
you're gonna guarantee me a floor every night?

806
00:44:42,127 --> 00:44:43,163
I was down.

807
00:44:48,513 --> 00:44:52,344
I was a little runt kid
running around Atlanta.

808
00:44:52,448 --> 00:44:55,382
I was 17 years old,
and they needed somebody

809
00:44:55,485 --> 00:44:58,903
probably that didn't need
money, could sleep on floors,

810
00:44:59,006 --> 00:45:01,008
didn't mind saying goodbye
to his girlfriend.

811
00:45:01,112 --> 00:45:03,770
So I kind of fit
the bill on that. I was pretty perfect.

812
00:45:03,873 --> 00:45:07,325
I got a phone call from
Gibby at a payphone.

813
00:45:10,052 --> 00:45:12,192
- Hello?
- Hey, is this Pinkus?

814
00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:14,642
- Yeah.
- Why don't you come down tomorrow?

815
00:45:14,746 --> 00:45:17,715
We set up a time,
and then my two ex-girlfriends took me down there.

816
00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:21,132
I've literally never
been more excited.

817
00:45:21,857 --> 00:45:26,931
And I played Blue Cheer
and Black Sabbath songs with King and Paul.

818
00:45:27,034 --> 00:45:29,105
And then afterwards they said,

819
00:45:29,209 --> 00:45:31,211
you can stay in the band
as long as you want.

820
00:45:31,314 --> 00:45:32,626
And I said, cool.

821
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:35,525
And so that's kind of
how it happened.

822
00:45:35,629 --> 00:45:37,044
Jeff was such
a good bass player,

823
00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:39,150
and the way he locked up
with King and Teresa

824
00:45:39,253 --> 00:45:43,188
in this real rubbery, deep,
kind of bottomless pit of groove,

825
00:45:43,292 --> 00:45:45,915
they were very fucking
good musicians.

826
00:45:47,123 --> 00:45:48,469
So in '80s Atlanta,

827
00:45:48,573 --> 00:45:51,541
the punk and drag subcultures
really collided.

828
00:45:51,645 --> 00:45:53,474
Can you talk about that?

829
00:45:53,578 --> 00:45:56,374
There were lots of
drag clubs around town that you could go see shows.

830
00:45:56,477 --> 00:45:59,964
The Celebrity Club,
that was opened and Larry Tee

831
00:46:00,067 --> 00:46:01,724
and Tom Zarrilli
were managing that.

832
00:46:01,828 --> 00:46:03,864
We were a drag bar.

833
00:46:03,968 --> 00:46:06,108
We had drag queens on the bar.

834
00:46:10,077 --> 00:46:12,977
Celebrity Club was the shit.

835
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,532
It was where freaks of
Atlanta would do their thing.

836
00:46:21,951 --> 00:46:25,817
You know, it was where
RuPaul got his start.

837
00:46:25,921 --> 00:46:28,647
RuPaul did go-go dance for
the Buttholes one night.

838
00:46:28,751 --> 00:46:34,722
The best shows there ever,
by far the most memorable were the Butthole Surfers,

839
00:46:34,826 --> 00:46:36,655
which leads me to
my favorite story.

840
00:46:36,759 --> 00:46:37,795
Lisette.

841
00:46:40,694 --> 00:46:46,458
She was probably
our sluttiest, most provocative drag.

842
00:46:46,562 --> 00:46:49,703
And she was hired
to go-go dance for the Butthole Surfers.

843
00:46:50,152 --> 00:46:52,395
And she started fag baiting

844
00:46:52,499 --> 00:46:55,571
some of the punks at the end
of the bar, like, you know,

845
00:46:55,674 --> 00:46:59,092
like saying, you want this,
you know, kind of thing.

846
00:46:59,195 --> 00:47:02,267
And they really got upset
and it was clear

847
00:47:02,371 --> 00:47:04,580
they were going
to drag her off that bar

848
00:47:04,683 --> 00:47:06,271
and kill her right there
on the spot.

849
00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:09,723
So she leapt off the bar
and into the back to hide.

850
00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:11,829
And so they come bursting
through the door

851
00:47:11,932 --> 00:47:16,074
and there's Gibby
in nothing but clothespins

852
00:47:16,178 --> 00:47:19,526
and sort of
a see-through black veil

853
00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,873
with full-frontal nudity.

854
00:47:23,185 --> 00:47:25,083
And he was like...

855
00:47:25,187 --> 00:47:28,915
And they were
all like, oh, Gibby, sir.

856
00:47:29,018 --> 00:47:33,920
And he said,
"This is my friend."

857
00:47:34,299 --> 00:47:36,992
And they was like,
Gibby, sir, I won't--

858
00:47:37,095 --> 00:47:40,616
And they kind of all backed
away and Lisette lived.

859
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,100
So that was the end of that.

860
00:47:42,204 --> 00:47:44,137
It's hard to forget
a moment like that.

861
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,725
Didn't you
pick up Kathleen there?

862
00:47:46,829 --> 00:47:48,624
Wasn't she added
to the band...

863
00:47:48,727 --> 00:47:51,178
She was part of
that scene, yeah. Celebrity Club scene. Yeah.

864
00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:52,939
Is there any good
story there about,

865
00:47:53,042 --> 00:47:56,149
you know, how she came
into the band on tour?

866
00:48:01,637 --> 00:48:03,604
- Kathleen...
- Hello.

867
00:48:03,708 --> 00:48:06,607
...had a weird nickname that
I don't know if--

868
00:48:06,711 --> 00:48:08,057
The shitting dyke.

869
00:48:08,161 --> 00:48:12,441
I did engage in
some things that, uh...

870
00:48:13,097 --> 00:48:14,305
Okay, so anyway--

871
00:48:14,408 --> 00:48:15,616
And she was
absolutely brilliant.

872
00:48:17,825 --> 00:48:21,553
Kathleen is the most amazing
person I've ever met.

873
00:48:21,657 --> 00:48:25,488
She's a... really amazing
and talented artist.

874
00:48:28,526 --> 00:48:30,769
I loved making it ugly.

875
00:48:30,873 --> 00:48:32,737
I would wear a goatee a lot.

876
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,497
Like, I had
extensions for here,

877
00:48:34,601 --> 00:48:36,810
which is probably
a lot grosser for people.

878
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,329
And pubic extensions.

879
00:48:38,432 --> 00:48:40,400
You'd do something to make
yourself more ugly

880
00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:42,954
and it would evolve into
something more beautiful.

881
00:48:43,058 --> 00:48:48,822
<i>♪ American woman,</i>
<i>Listen what I say, hey ♪</i>

882
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:52,446
Kathleen would hide
behind this little riser and pop up.

883
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:55,242
And you'd see the kids in the front row going,

884
00:48:55,346 --> 00:48:58,487
"Wow, boobs," and then
all of a sudden their faces would go,

885
00:48:58,590 --> 00:49:01,248
"Why does she have a beard?
Wait a minute,

886
00:49:01,352 --> 00:49:04,458
is she wearing a bratwurst
between her legs?"

887
00:49:04,562 --> 00:49:09,877
And you think punk rock
is hectic. This is way more hectic.

888
00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:11,672
Like, this is upsetting.

889
00:49:11,776 --> 00:49:14,158
It's something that you can't design to do.

890
00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:15,849
It's something that becomes

891
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:19,370
and it's this energy
and this effusion.

892
00:49:19,473 --> 00:49:20,923
- Performance art.
- Performance art--

893
00:49:21,027 --> 00:49:22,925
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

894
00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:24,754
A true artist...

895
00:49:24,858 --> 00:49:27,102
And we loved her dearly

896
00:49:28,206 --> 00:49:30,105
because she was just
up for anything.

897
00:49:30,208 --> 00:49:34,557
But I ended up falling
in love with a woman who--

898
00:49:34,661 --> 00:49:37,112
she and her boyfriend
encouraged me to move

899
00:49:37,215 --> 00:49:39,390
to New York with them,
and that's what I did.

900
00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,048
<i>♪ American woman,</i>
<i>American woman ♪</i>

901
00:49:42,151 --> 00:49:45,948
And so Kathleen got this job
at the Show Palace in Times Square...

902
00:49:46,052 --> 00:49:47,950
Some peep show sex place.

903
00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:49,434
And they put the quarter in

904
00:49:49,538 --> 00:49:51,609
and, you know,
the curtain comes up.

905
00:49:58,202 --> 00:50:02,723
And this guy was, like,
repeatedly putting the coins in or whatever.

906
00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:08,488
And I guess I had...
I had to go.

907
00:50:08,591 --> 00:50:11,318
She was obsessed
with enemas. - Shit art.

908
00:50:11,422 --> 00:50:14,804
And so I guess she wasn't
keeping track of what was what.

909
00:50:14,908 --> 00:50:16,703
And she thought
she had to fart.

910
00:50:16,806 --> 00:50:20,569
Curtains opens up,
and she bends over and just sprays diarrhea.

911
00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:25,919
And she looked at
the guy and said...

912
00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:27,162
Ta-dah!

913
00:50:27,265 --> 00:50:28,680
- Ta-dah!
- Ta-dah!

914
00:50:28,784 --> 00:50:31,062
Ta-dah! And ran offstage.

915
00:50:31,856 --> 00:50:35,480
And so the Butthole Surfers were going to tour,

916
00:50:35,584 --> 00:50:38,449
and they said, oh, yeah,
when you come to New York,

917
00:50:38,552 --> 00:50:42,211
come up and play with us
or something.

918
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:45,042
- Which venue?
- This was the Danceteria show.

919
00:50:49,701 --> 00:50:54,154
That was the beginning of us
going from tiny little hole-in-the-wall clubs

920
00:50:54,258 --> 00:50:57,571
to playing a club with
a sound system

921
00:50:57,675 --> 00:50:58,883
with a big floor

922
00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:00,264
in New York City.

923
00:51:00,367 --> 00:51:01,713
You were playing
late at night.

924
00:51:01,817 --> 00:51:02,956
You were probably drunk.

925
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,647
We were just going
to go for it.

926
00:51:04,751 --> 00:51:07,236
There might have been
some psychedelics involved.

927
00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:10,688
So the details kind of
get scatter-shot.

928
00:51:14,485 --> 00:51:17,039
When they would come to town,
everybody would go

929
00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:19,317
because they knew it was
going to be something.

930
00:51:19,421 --> 00:51:22,769
You just didn't know,
like, what state of consciousness

931
00:51:22,872 --> 00:51:24,529
this man was going to be in.

932
00:51:27,394 --> 00:51:31,398
So I got there, and I remember
Paul saying, just, you know,

933
00:51:31,502 --> 00:51:34,436
go or something
just positive, like, do you.

934
00:51:34,539 --> 00:51:38,129
And it just gave
a lot of freedom.

935
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:44,860
They came out in
a complete and utter fury.

936
00:51:47,897 --> 00:51:53,800
They just had every single
light flashing on the stage.

937
00:51:53,903 --> 00:51:59,219
Everything was happening.
Kathleen dancing naked.

938
00:51:59,323 --> 00:52:02,119
Paul was just, like,
out of his mind.

939
00:52:04,776 --> 00:52:07,952
Gibby was pretty much
completely nude by,

940
00:52:08,055 --> 00:52:09,954
like, 20 minutes into it.

941
00:52:10,161 --> 00:52:15,339
I tore my dresses off
and I forgot I didn't have any underwear on.

942
00:52:15,442 --> 00:52:18,480
Taking King's cymbal stands
and just pouring

943
00:52:18,583 --> 00:52:21,621
lighter fluid over it
and constantly torching it.

944
00:52:21,724 --> 00:52:25,832
And so there's fire.
There is everything, smoke...

945
00:52:28,179 --> 00:52:30,112
I had friends who were there.

946
00:52:30,216 --> 00:52:32,321
That one friend said...

947
00:52:35,013 --> 00:52:37,706
She thought it was the end
of Western civilization.

948
00:52:42,883 --> 00:52:48,510
I think Gibby had
sex with Kathleen on stage.

949
00:52:48,613 --> 00:52:51,651
And that was very intriguing.

950
00:52:53,308 --> 00:52:55,551
Oh, yeah. Well...

951
00:53:01,108 --> 00:53:03,076
We were recreating
the bacchanal

952
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:04,526
in its most basic form.

953
00:53:04,629 --> 00:53:07,356
Because bacchanalia was
about being a caveman dude

954
00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:09,013
and going out in the woods

955
00:53:09,116 --> 00:53:12,534
and eating fucking rabbits
and fucking other people.

956
00:53:12,637 --> 00:53:15,606
People coming up to me
is like, can you believe this is happening?

957
00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,642
Yelling in my ear like,
this is insane.

958
00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:20,058
This is nuts.

959
00:53:20,162 --> 00:53:22,164
No, no, it was not.
It was not.

960
00:53:22,268 --> 00:53:24,235
There was no sex at all.

961
00:53:24,339 --> 00:53:25,581
It was close.

962
00:53:25,685 --> 00:53:26,962
Oh...

963
00:53:28,826 --> 00:53:30,103
Who knows?

964
00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:37,214
To me, it was all
performance art.

965
00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:40,009
It was very, like, theatrical.

966
00:53:40,113 --> 00:53:42,874
You know, it looked real,
but I don't know if it was--

967
00:53:42,978 --> 00:53:44,428
it was probably simulated.

968
00:53:44,531 --> 00:53:46,671
Gibby had his thumb
in her ass.

969
00:53:46,775 --> 00:53:49,433
Oh, well, Kramer--
Kramer would say that, wouldn't he?

970
00:53:56,267 --> 00:54:01,030
It was very much like
this incredibly playful energy.

971
00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:08,624
That was like gentle, quiet
energy amidst this cacophony.

972
00:54:11,489 --> 00:54:14,665
And it was really
sort of healing.

973
00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:16,563
It really was.

974
00:54:16,667 --> 00:54:19,842
Because I had always
been afraid of men.

975
00:54:19,946 --> 00:54:23,467
And the culture had always
taught me to be afraid of men.

976
00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:26,228
But it was just so innocent.

977
00:54:26,642 --> 00:54:29,852
Although it was
just kind of crazy.

978
00:54:39,483 --> 00:54:41,278
<i>Rembrandt Pussyhorse.</i>

979
00:54:41,381 --> 00:54:43,210
I really love that record.

980
00:54:43,314 --> 00:54:44,867
"Creep in the Cellar."

981
00:54:44,971 --> 00:54:47,491
<i>♪ Well, there's a creep</i>
<i>In the cellar ♪</i>

982
00:54:47,594 --> 00:54:49,941
<i>♪ That I'm gonna let in </i>

983
00:54:50,045 --> 00:54:52,116
<i>♪ And he eats in the alley </i>

984
00:54:52,219 --> 00:54:54,532
<i>♪ And keeps track</i>
<i>Of my sins ♪</i>

985
00:54:54,636 --> 00:54:56,534
And I remember the album,
when you open it up,

986
00:54:56,638 --> 00:54:58,950
it's like a close-up of, like,

987
00:54:59,054 --> 00:55:01,159
a female bodybuilder's pussy.

988
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,094
<i>♪ Yeah </i>

989
00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:11,963
The touring
never ended.

990
00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:14,103
And we started playing
shows where people

991
00:55:14,207 --> 00:55:15,933
would come see us, and then
we could actually drive

992
00:55:16,036 --> 00:55:17,900
from town to town,
and there would be a crowd

993
00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:19,316
waiting for us everywhere.

994
00:55:19,419 --> 00:55:21,110
To see it gradually
pick up some steam,

995
00:55:21,214 --> 00:55:23,112
people began to respond to it.

996
00:55:23,216 --> 00:55:25,183
We realized that you're not
just totally shouting into the wind.

997
00:55:25,287 --> 00:55:27,082
That was cool.

998
00:55:27,185 --> 00:55:28,739
There was definitely people
that traveled around

999
00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:30,775
to go see them,
similar to The Grateful Dead,

1000
00:55:30,879 --> 00:55:33,295
and you'd see the same person,
like, all up the West Coast,

1001
00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:34,917
or all up the East Coast.

1002
00:55:35,021 --> 00:55:37,506
I would see the Butthole
Surfers from D.C.,

1003
00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:39,197
to, like, New England.

1004
00:55:39,301 --> 00:55:40,958
And I would catch
all the shows.

1005
00:55:41,061 --> 00:55:43,340
And I'm pretty sure there were
a lot of the same party favors

1006
00:55:43,443 --> 00:55:45,652
that were being used
as Grateful Dead crowds,

1007
00:55:45,756 --> 00:55:48,586
but obviously,
a slightly different show.

1008
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:50,277
We would drive around,
and get high,

1009
00:55:50,381 --> 00:55:51,486
or do mushrooms or acid,

1010
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:53,660
and listen
to the Butthole Surfers.

1011
00:55:53,764 --> 00:55:55,386
They were the most
psychedelic band ever.

1012
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:58,182
But it's not peace,
and love, and like,

1013
00:55:58,285 --> 00:56:01,323
rainbows, and kaleidoscopes,
and shit.

1014
00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:04,878
It's a motherfucker!
It's a motherfucker!

1015
00:56:04,982 --> 00:56:08,054
There's a dark,
evil side of acid.

1016
00:56:10,574 --> 00:56:13,439
Somehow, when I thought
I'd seen it all,

1017
00:56:13,542 --> 00:56:14,785
it would be more over the top,

1018
00:56:14,888 --> 00:56:18,409
and more of a bad trip
every time.

1019
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:24,484
They were notorious
for dosing themselves before going on stage.

1020
00:56:24,588 --> 00:56:26,417
So you just didn't know.

1021
00:56:26,521 --> 00:56:29,075
But you did know that it was
gonna be spectacular.

1022
00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,767
Like, the thousands of the
people that came before me

1023
00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:33,666
that are descendants of me,

1024
00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:36,116
would show war movies
out of their penises.

1025
00:56:36,703 --> 00:56:40,017
And they just, like, kept
adding to their production.

1026
00:56:43,814 --> 00:56:45,678
The first films
they started showing

1027
00:56:45,781 --> 00:56:47,576
were old science
education-type films.

1028
00:56:49,923 --> 00:56:52,409
And you were their
first projectionist, you've mentioned.

1029
00:56:52,512 --> 00:56:55,342
Well, if no one
else remembers that,

1030
00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:58,000
um, it's no big deal.

1031
00:56:58,104 --> 00:56:59,726
I got to know Teresa first.

1032
00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:01,694
It's a Madonna pap smear.

1033
00:57:01,797 --> 00:57:03,281
It's got Ciccone on the top.

1034
00:57:03,385 --> 00:57:06,008
That's like, you know, like,
a medical label, Ciccone.

1035
00:57:06,112 --> 00:57:08,114
She was in a friend of mine's
film class

1036
00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:09,460
at Austin Community College.

1037
00:57:09,564 --> 00:57:11,358
I'd taken a couple
film classes there.

1038
00:57:11,462 --> 00:57:13,499
I'd already started
the Austin Film Society.

1039
00:57:13,602 --> 00:57:14,845
And we would have screenings.

1040
00:57:14,948 --> 00:57:16,605
Teresa would come by,
and then I remember

1041
00:57:16,709 --> 00:57:17,951
getting to know Gibby
a little bit.

1042
00:57:18,055 --> 00:57:20,713
And he was like, hmm,
how am I gonna--

1043
00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:22,956
I want to incorporate
movies into my shows.

1044
00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:25,890
And I remember saying,
"Gibby, I've got a perfect film for you guys."

1045
00:57:25,994 --> 00:57:27,409
This is an experimental
film called,

1046
00:57:27,513 --> 00:57:29,066
<i>Epileptic Seizure Comparison.</i>

1047
00:57:29,169 --> 00:57:31,965
I thought, oh, that works
perfect with your aesthetics.

1048
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:33,864
That was an early film
they started showing.

1049
00:57:33,967 --> 00:57:36,625
And I did project for them
early on, a little bit.

1050
00:57:36,729 --> 00:57:38,696
I remember going to Houston
with them, Bill Daniel, and I.

1051
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,940
And Bill ended up
going on tour with them.

1052
00:57:41,043 --> 00:57:45,185
The band, more than any--
any other band in the history of bands,

1053
00:57:45,289 --> 00:57:47,671
challenged their audience.

1054
00:57:47,774 --> 00:57:50,190
<i>It's Mechanized Death.</i>

1055
00:57:50,294 --> 00:57:53,435
I didn't appreciate seeing
car crash films, you know.

1056
00:57:54,885 --> 00:57:57,025
I just remember it
being really colorful.

1057
00:57:57,128 --> 00:57:59,406
There were, like,
maybe fish going through,

1058
00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:01,443
like, a coral reef.

1059
00:58:01,547 --> 00:58:03,203
We were so high on acid.

1060
00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:04,308
Acid.

1061
00:58:04,411 --> 00:58:06,413
And it's amazing.

1062
00:58:06,517 --> 00:58:07,622
Just, like, these
beautiful fish.

1063
00:58:07,725 --> 00:58:09,969
Beautiful fish.
Fish.

1064
00:58:10,072 --> 00:58:13,282
And then it immediately went
to some sort of, like...

1065
00:58:14,249 --> 00:58:16,078
genital surgery.

1066
00:58:18,184 --> 00:58:20,462
It's actually a penis
rebuilding surgery

1067
00:58:20,566 --> 00:58:23,879
of a farmer's
totally mangled penis.

1068
00:58:23,983 --> 00:58:25,847
I'm on two fucking
hits of acid!

1069
00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:28,194
I was just like, "Oh my God,
I can't be in here!"

1070
00:58:28,297 --> 00:58:30,368
It's really fuckin' gruesome.

1071
00:58:30,472 --> 00:58:32,750
There were people
that would faint.

1072
00:58:32,854 --> 00:58:35,097
Every dude goes, "Ooh!"

1073
00:58:35,201 --> 00:58:36,892
And the combination of that,
and the strobe lights,

1074
00:58:36,996 --> 00:58:39,377
made me feel very nauseous.

1075
00:58:39,481 --> 00:58:40,793
I think it was the booze
you were drinking.

1076
00:58:40,896 --> 00:58:42,242
It might've been that, too.

1077
00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:45,660
It was actually a really--
a happy ending film.

1078
00:58:45,763 --> 00:58:47,662
I mean, the guy got injured,
and he got his dick

1079
00:58:47,765 --> 00:58:49,595
put back together.

1080
00:58:54,013 --> 00:58:57,361
What--what we loved
was just watching them

1081
00:58:57,464 --> 00:58:59,708
do the most insane shit,

1082
00:58:59,812 --> 00:59:03,160
so freaky
and so ahead of the curve and so original.

1083
00:59:03,747 --> 00:59:09,787
The innovation, the voice
manipulation, you know, all that was what we wanted to do.

1084
00:59:09,891 --> 00:59:13,964
<i>♪ Oh, John E. Smoke </i>

1085
00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:17,105
<i>♪ John Smoke, Smoke, Smoke </i>

1086
00:59:17,208 --> 00:59:20,349
They were frightening.
They were...

1087
00:59:20,453 --> 00:59:21,972
unpredictable.

1088
00:59:22,075 --> 00:59:27,011
They were pioneers
of a new way of expression.

1089
00:59:27,494 --> 00:59:33,362
And they seemed to be
interested in puncturing the bubble of reality

1090
00:59:33,466 --> 00:59:37,919
that made you not understand
where you were anymore.

1091
00:59:38,436 --> 00:59:42,026
You were touching
the existential cloth.

1092
00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:46,824
Woo-hoo!
Whee! Whoa!

1093
00:59:46,928 --> 00:59:48,895
We'd been on the road
for years.

1094
00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:52,554
I thought, you know, guys,
can we just go back to Austin?

1095
00:59:52,658 --> 00:59:54,314
And Gibby and Paul and Jeff,

1096
00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:56,385
- to their great credit, said...
- "Oh, okay."

1097
00:59:56,489 --> 00:59:58,802
So we moved back
to Austin and we set up shop,

1098
00:59:58,905 --> 01:00:01,874
recording what would become
<i>Locust Abortion Technician.</i>

1099
01:00:01,977 --> 01:00:03,600
<i>Locust Abortion Technician?</i>

1100
01:00:03,703 --> 01:00:05,636
The <i>Locust,</i>uh...
the <i>Locust</i>record.

1101
01:00:07,534 --> 01:00:10,503
<i>♪ Pardon me,</i>
<i>I'm only bleeding ♪</i>

1102
01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:14,576
<i>♪ But you cut me</i>
<i>To the bone ♪</i>

1103
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,648
"Graveyard" is one
of my favorites.

1104
01:00:17,752 --> 01:00:21,031
The foulest,
most psychedelic riff.

1105
01:00:23,067 --> 01:00:26,036
<i>♪ You lie in the graveyard </i>

1106
01:00:26,139 --> 01:00:30,350
<i>♪ Well, you're rotting away </i>

1107
01:00:32,007 --> 01:00:33,491
It is as fucked-up
a guitar part

1108
01:00:33,595 --> 01:00:35,390
as was ever recorded, I think.

1109
01:00:35,493 --> 01:00:36,667
And Gibby wrote it.

1110
01:00:36,771 --> 01:00:38,842
I can write the shit
out of a song,

1111
01:00:38,945 --> 01:00:41,741
but I'm not a great,
uh, player.

1112
01:00:41,845 --> 01:00:44,019
I wanted to get Gibby
playing the guitar,

1113
01:00:44,123 --> 01:00:45,849
but I didn't want him
to, like, think about it

1114
01:00:45,952 --> 01:00:47,989
or come up with something
or anything like that,

1115
01:00:48,092 --> 01:00:49,680
so I plugged a microphone in,

1116
01:00:49,784 --> 01:00:51,095
leaned up the guitar
against the amp,

1117
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:53,235
and then just left
the room, and waited.

1118
01:00:56,445 --> 01:00:58,551
Eventually Gibby walked by
and saw it, and...

1119
01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:01,450
...picked it up
and just started playing.

1120
01:01:04,143 --> 01:01:06,110
When I hit the record button,

1121
01:01:06,214 --> 01:01:08,665
and that beautiful sound
came out...

1122
01:01:10,977 --> 01:01:12,185
It was just like, ah!

1123
01:01:15,741 --> 01:01:17,777
That's what I've been
waiting for.

1124
01:01:19,192 --> 01:01:22,679
And then we-- we made
a song around that.

1125
01:01:30,825 --> 01:01:34,035
But there was
a really great track on <i>Locust Abortion.</i>

1126
01:01:34,138 --> 01:01:36,037
Sort of a fake
Black Sabbath cover.

1127
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,694
"Sweat Loaf."

1128
01:01:37,797 --> 01:01:39,143
<i>Daddy?</i>

1129
01:01:39,247 --> 01:01:41,007
<i>Yes, son?</i>

1130
01:01:41,111 --> 01:01:44,770
<i>What-- What-- What--</i>
<i>What does "regret" mean?</i>

1131
01:01:44,873 --> 01:01:47,220
<i>Well, son, a funny</i>
<i>thing about regret</i>

1132
01:01:47,324 --> 01:01:50,879
<i>is that it's better to regret</i>
<i>something you have done</i>

1133
01:01:50,983 --> 01:01:53,571
<i>than to regret something</i>
<i>you haven't done.</i>

1134
01:01:53,675 --> 01:01:56,851
<i>And by the way, if you</i>
<i>see your mom this weekend,</i>

1135
01:01:56,954 --> 01:01:58,369
<i>would you be sure</i>
<i>and tell her...</i>

1136
01:01:58,473 --> 01:02:00,647
<i>Satan, Satan, Satan!</i>

1137
01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:02,719
Satan, Satan, Satan!

1138
01:02:08,207 --> 01:02:11,693
<i>♪ Oh </i>

1139
01:02:11,797 --> 01:02:13,315
It's a nod to "Sweet Leaf."

1140
01:02:13,419 --> 01:02:14,869
A <i>classique.</i>

1141
01:02:18,286 --> 01:02:20,391
"Sweat Loaf" was always
great live.

1142
01:02:20,495 --> 01:02:22,221
It was just that riff,

1143
01:02:22,324 --> 01:02:23,670
and with them just, like,
putting it through

1144
01:02:23,774 --> 01:02:25,672
the Butthole's prism.

1145
01:02:25,776 --> 01:02:27,502
It was fantastic, always.

1146
01:02:27,605 --> 01:02:30,643
<i>♪ Rape of desire </i>

1147
01:02:30,747 --> 01:02:32,541
<i>♪ Of desire, of desire,</i>
<i>of desire ♪</i>

1148
01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:34,923
<i>♪ Rape of desire </i>

1149
01:02:35,027 --> 01:02:37,546
<i>♪ Of desire, of desire,</i>
<i>of desire ♪</i>

1150
01:02:39,514 --> 01:02:41,723
<i>♪ Rape of desire </i>

1151
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:47,764
<i>♪ Of desire, of desire,</i>
<i>of desire, rape ♪</i>

1152
01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:50,042
In those golden days,
we were sort of, like,

1153
01:02:50,145 --> 01:02:52,596
on a magic carpet ride,
or something.

1154
01:02:54,253 --> 01:02:57,566
<i>♪ You don't know</i>
<i>What we can find ♪</i>

1155
01:03:00,397 --> 01:03:02,192
We traveled
the U.K., Europe,

1156
01:03:02,295 --> 01:03:05,712
the world, my dream come true.

1157
01:03:05,816 --> 01:03:07,024
But, yeah, there were some--

1158
01:03:07,128 --> 01:03:10,062
some times where
it was more negative.

1159
01:03:11,926 --> 01:03:13,755
<i>♪ Like a sea horse</i>
<i>Like a graveyard ♪</i>

1160
01:03:13,859 --> 01:03:15,688
<i>♪ Like a moron</i>
<i>Like a girlfriend ♪</i>

1161
01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,966
Those guys spent so much time around each other.

1162
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:20,348
It was just everybody
piling in a van,

1163
01:03:20,451 --> 01:03:22,281
and everybody's
breathing on each other.

1164
01:03:22,384 --> 01:03:24,386
Everybody's on top
of each other.

1165
01:03:24,490 --> 01:03:26,250
<i>♪ Like a brain stroke</i>
<i>Like a long drip ♪</i>

1166
01:03:26,354 --> 01:03:28,183
All the band
was cranky.

1167
01:03:28,287 --> 01:03:30,772
But Paul definitely felt
the pressure.

1168
01:03:31,462 --> 01:03:35,156
Paul definitely
qualifies as someone that can flip a switch.

1169
01:03:35,259 --> 01:03:37,503
You don't want to see that
on the other side of you.

1170
01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,367
What, you want some shit?

1171
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:41,783
- No, sit down.
- Well, fuckin' get the fuck away from me, then!

1172
01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,993
There's other things
to performing besides being on stage.

1173
01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:46,892
Booking shows, and keeping
track of things,

1174
01:03:46,995 --> 01:03:49,101
and showing up places on time,

1175
01:03:49,204 --> 01:03:51,724
and that all gets
to be very stressful.

1176
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:53,933
But Gibby...

1177
01:03:54,037 --> 01:03:56,315
Gibby is a pretty
friendly person.

1178
01:03:56,418 --> 01:04:00,457
He can lure you right in,
you know,

1179
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,217
but so can mass murderers.

1180
01:04:03,598 --> 01:04:05,945
Gibby was a total
agent of chaos.

1181
01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:08,845
Crazy, but very warm
and loving,

1182
01:04:08,948 --> 01:04:12,089
and you just never know
what you're gonna get.

1183
01:04:12,193 --> 01:04:14,022
He could be bipolar.

1184
01:04:17,129 --> 01:04:18,647
Something clicks inside him,

1185
01:04:18,751 --> 01:04:20,097
and he'll just go
clobber the--

1186
01:04:20,201 --> 01:04:22,134
you know, "Come on,
we're gonna kill him."

1187
01:04:22,237 --> 01:04:25,033
Like I could kill
anybody, dude.

1188
01:04:25,137 --> 01:04:26,655
Flames were going up,
and you could see

1189
01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:30,038
that the insulation
was catching.

1190
01:04:30,142 --> 01:04:32,834
Then the security was trying
to put it out,

1191
01:04:32,938 --> 01:04:34,560
with, like,
fire extinguishers.

1192
01:04:34,663 --> 01:04:37,804
I guess Gibby threw
lighter fluid on one of 'em,

1193
01:04:37,908 --> 01:04:39,599
and then just started walking
towards him

1194
01:04:39,703 --> 01:04:41,153
with his little trusty Bic.

1195
01:04:41,256 --> 01:04:43,534
Can you be
moody, Gibby?

1196
01:04:44,294 --> 01:04:47,504
Might as well have asked,
can you be not perfect?

1197
01:04:47,987 --> 01:04:53,890
And then just go with,
oh, in what manner am I not perfect?

1198
01:04:53,993 --> 01:04:58,101
I think he truly
is suffering from trauma.

1199
01:04:58,204 --> 01:05:01,449
It's only 3.5...

1200
01:05:01,552 --> 01:05:03,934
Maybe some bad things
happened.

1201
01:05:04,038 --> 01:05:06,316
<i>♪ Don't try</i>
<i>And fuckin' follow ♪</i>

1202
01:05:06,419 --> 01:05:09,215
<i>♪ I'm too busy</i>
<i>When they're falling ♪</i>

1203
01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:10,872
But I've never heard
him talk about it.

1204
01:05:10,976 --> 01:05:12,425
<i>♪ We'll be living </i>

1205
01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:14,186
Have you?

1206
01:05:20,606 --> 01:05:22,194
I'll handle this.

1207
01:05:27,026 --> 01:05:29,132
Hello, there.
I'm Jerry Finster.

1208
01:05:29,235 --> 01:05:32,411
This is my wife, Mary Ellen,
and my son, Jerry Jr.

1209
01:05:32,514 --> 01:05:35,448
Y'all bye!

1210
01:05:35,552 --> 01:05:38,900
<i>Hairway to Steven</i>was
a different kind of album.

1211
01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:45,251
<i>♪ It's probably me now </i>

1212
01:05:45,355 --> 01:05:47,874
<i>♪ I'm burning up</i>
<i>With desire oh ♪</i>

1213
01:05:48,392 --> 01:05:51,430
It would also end up
being our last album

1214
01:05:51,533 --> 01:05:52,638
on Touch and Go.

1215
01:05:54,295 --> 01:05:56,331
That was not a pretty
ending to that.

1216
01:05:56,435 --> 01:05:59,024
And the Buttholes sold
a lot of records,

1217
01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:01,578
and they had a really deep

1218
01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,787
and important relationship
with Touch and Go.

1219
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:07,756
Corey Rusk is an honest person
who pays his bands.

1220
01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:11,105
No contracts needed, because
he was just an honest guy.

1221
01:06:11,208 --> 01:06:14,556
However, the Buttholes
had gotten a manager.

1222
01:06:14,660 --> 01:06:16,386
You're talking
about-- -

1223
01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,146
I'm not mentioning any names.

1224
01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:20,459
They got a manager,
and he went to Corey,

1225
01:06:20,562 --> 01:06:23,324
and he says, "Hey, the band
wants more money."

1226
01:06:23,427 --> 01:06:24,911
We made more money
for that label

1227
01:06:25,015 --> 01:06:26,672
than any of their other bands,

1228
01:06:26,775 --> 01:06:29,157
and then we found out they
were giving another band

1229
01:06:29,261 --> 01:06:31,056
that was friends of ours
a better deal than us,

1230
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:32,712
and we wanted that same deal.

1231
01:06:32,816 --> 01:06:36,302
They wanted to renegotiate
their deal with Touch and Go.

1232
01:06:36,406 --> 01:06:38,270
The label refused.

1233
01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:39,926
So we terminated the deal.

1234
01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:45,553
Turned into him claiming
he owned our music for life.

1235
01:06:45,656 --> 01:06:48,176
The label refused to recognize
the termination,

1236
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,764
and kept selling records.

1237
01:06:49,867 --> 01:06:53,526
So we decided to sue them
for copyright infringement.

1238
01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:55,528
I don't know,
as the judge put it...

1239
01:06:55,632 --> 01:06:59,394
"One would ordinarily think
that an agreement of the type

1240
01:06:59,498 --> 01:07:02,742
we just described
would be in writing.

1241
01:07:02,846 --> 01:07:05,262
For, as Yogi Berra observed,

1242
01:07:05,366 --> 01:07:08,748
'An oral contract isn't worth
the paper it's written on.'"

1243
01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:15,721
That pretty much summed up
what the judge thought about the whole thing.

1244
01:07:17,309 --> 01:07:21,899
<i>♪ Oh my God </i>

1245
01:07:22,003 --> 01:07:24,971
A lot of people took
Touch and Go's side on that,

1246
01:07:25,075 --> 01:07:27,181
which was disappointing.

1247
01:07:27,284 --> 01:07:29,666
The Butthole Surfers were
suing the one guy in music

1248
01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:32,531
who had ever been decent
to them.

1249
01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:36,362
The way that they just went
from being personal friends

1250
01:07:36,466 --> 01:07:40,987
to being litigants in this
really cold-hearted way,

1251
01:07:41,091 --> 01:07:42,782
really turned me off of them.

1252
01:07:42,886 --> 01:07:45,716
Screwing people over is just
not ever cool, period.

1253
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:47,546
Touch and Go
had plenty of money.

1254
01:07:47,649 --> 01:07:48,581
They were living nice.

1255
01:07:48,685 --> 01:07:50,928
And we were, you know,
living in a van.

1256
01:07:51,032 --> 01:07:54,277
The Butthole Surfers did
something to support artists' rights.

1257
01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:56,072
The right to control
your masters.

1258
01:07:56,175 --> 01:07:58,315
The right to control
your destiny, essentially,

1259
01:07:58,419 --> 01:08:00,766
and they deserve
credit for it.

1260
01:08:01,249 --> 01:08:03,596
Oh, bully for them, then.

1261
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:05,150
Great work.

1262
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:06,910
Congratulations.

1263
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:08,843
David Yow asked me
one time, he goes,

1264
01:08:08,946 --> 01:08:11,121
uh, he goes,
"What would happen if you walked into a restaurant,

1265
01:08:11,225 --> 01:08:12,536
and there was Corey Rusk?"

1266
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,642
And I was like, dude,
I'd go up and hug him.

1267
01:08:14,745 --> 01:08:16,989
And he was like,
"I don't think Corey would."

1268
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,165
He won't talk to
us. I've asked him five times.

1269
01:08:20,268 --> 01:08:22,546
The guy who put out
the records won't talk to you?

1270
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:26,102
<i>♪ Their heads went</i>
<i>Different directions ♪</i>

1271
01:08:26,205 --> 01:08:27,931
<i>♪ And their friendship</i>
<i>Ceased to be ♪</i>

1272
01:08:28,034 --> 01:08:31,797
It ended in tears,
but so it goes.

1273
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:34,558
What I know of them as people
makes me think

1274
01:08:34,662 --> 01:08:36,767
that they are among the worst
people I've ever known.

1275
01:08:36,871 --> 01:08:38,390
<i>♪ Different directions </i>

1276
01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:40,392
<i>♪ And their friendship</i>
<i>Ceased to be ♪</i>

1277
01:08:40,495 --> 01:08:42,463
Nobody wants to see people
that have been doing it

1278
01:08:42,566 --> 01:08:44,499
for years and years
make a living.

1279
01:08:44,603 --> 01:08:47,088
They just want you to suffer,
like me now.

1280
01:08:47,192 --> 01:08:48,779
Are y'all happy?

1281
01:08:48,883 --> 01:08:50,954
<i>♪ Some day we'll look back</i>
<i>And laugh ♪</i>

1282
01:08:53,612 --> 01:08:57,788
<i>Hairway</i>wasn't
just our last album with Touch and Go,

1283
01:08:57,892 --> 01:09:00,239
but also our last with Teresa.

1284
01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:04,243
I had
a brain aneurysm,

1285
01:09:04,347 --> 01:09:08,178
and I was in full-blown
psychosis.

1286
01:09:08,282 --> 01:09:10,249
Ooh, that was horrible.

1287
01:09:12,355 --> 01:09:14,909
Certainly when she left, um...

1288
01:09:15,427 --> 01:09:17,187
you know, it was kind of like
less fun for me,

1289
01:09:17,291 --> 01:09:19,016
because it's fun,
like, having like,

1290
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,984
a gay/lesbian co-member
in the band,

1291
01:09:21,087 --> 01:09:23,849
but Teresa was
everybody's best friend.

1292
01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:26,679
She was always, always fun.

1293
01:09:26,783 --> 01:09:29,268
Just, you know,
so much bubbling.

1294
01:09:29,372 --> 01:09:30,890
And when she started
giggling, you know,

1295
01:09:30,994 --> 01:09:33,445
it was-- everybody
would be smiling in the room.

1296
01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:36,448
Things were just better
if Teresa was there.

1297
01:09:39,313 --> 01:09:42,212
And then a lot of other
things were changing too,

1298
01:09:42,316 --> 01:09:44,766
pretty quickly.

1299
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:48,529
One of the most unexpected
things to happen

1300
01:09:48,632 --> 01:09:51,808
at the end of the '80s,
and the start of the '90s,

1301
01:09:51,911 --> 01:09:55,398
was the ascent
of the underground music scene.

1302
01:09:55,501 --> 01:09:59,540
College rock was changing
into what was called the alternative nation.

1303
01:09:59,643 --> 01:10:03,199
It was a sea change
in the culture and the music.

1304
01:10:03,302 --> 01:10:06,478
Do you remember
when Nirvana opened up for you guys in Seattle?

1305
01:10:06,581 --> 01:10:08,100
Yeah,
that was awesome.

1306
01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:10,309
That poster,
it's a killer poster,

1307
01:10:10,413 --> 01:10:13,623
because it's Butthole Surfers,
Nirvana.

1308
01:10:13,726 --> 01:10:15,003
And then, like,
a few years later,

1309
01:10:15,107 --> 01:10:16,315
it just would've been-- woo!

1310
01:10:16,419 --> 01:10:18,731
The order of the bands
flipped.

1311
01:10:18,835 --> 01:10:20,802
All of this was
sort of building,

1312
01:10:20,906 --> 01:10:24,806
and people were becoming
a little bit more interested

1313
01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:27,706
in this sort of
crazy guitar music.

1314
01:10:27,809 --> 01:10:31,572
And then that was starting
to move into mainstream,

1315
01:10:31,675 --> 01:10:35,472
and the Buttholes were
on that crest of that.

1316
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,305
We were the
top-grossing independent band in the country,

1317
01:10:40,408 --> 01:10:42,859
and we were really starting
to build momentum.

1318
01:10:42,962 --> 01:10:45,275
Are you finding
yourself getting more of a feedback

1319
01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:48,071
being out on the road
or is it just a downer

1320
01:10:48,174 --> 01:10:50,763
that you haven't managed
to get yourself a Top 30 hit?

1321
01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:55,354
We just needed that
one thing to push us to the next level.

1322
01:10:55,458 --> 01:10:58,323
And that's part of why they
ended up on Lollapalooza.

1323
01:11:05,364 --> 01:11:07,297
They had my crew's attention.

1324
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:11,405
He just
fucking owned it.

1325
01:11:11,508 --> 01:11:13,579
Like, he-- he just took over.

1326
01:11:13,683 --> 01:11:15,857
Motherfucker came out
with a shotgun.

1327
01:11:17,514 --> 01:11:19,620
Jesus, fuck it, like,
they are from Texas.

1328
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,588
That's punk as fuck.

1329
01:11:22,692 --> 01:11:24,314
It was a real shotgun,
but he was shooting blanks,

1330
01:11:24,418 --> 01:11:25,798
I-- I think.

1331
01:11:27,938 --> 01:11:30,424
I've seen
a lot of shows in my life,

1332
01:11:30,527 --> 01:11:33,012
and that was the most
intense-- Aah--

1333
01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:35,877
thing I have ever seen done
by a band to an audience.

1334
01:11:35,981 --> 01:11:38,811
I was like,
white boys with shotguns?

1335
01:11:38,915 --> 01:11:40,054
Like, what the fuck?

1336
01:11:40,157 --> 01:11:41,676
They just outdid us.

1337
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:44,334
You watch and you go,
these guys are frickin' scary,

1338
01:11:44,438 --> 01:11:46,854
and they're the real deal,
and it's awesome.

1339
01:11:55,828 --> 01:11:58,003
Lollapalooza
certainly wasn't the epitome

1340
01:11:58,106 --> 01:11:59,315
of Butthole Surfer shows.

1341
01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:01,731
A lot of that
twisted darkness,

1342
01:12:01,834 --> 01:12:05,010
and a lot of the visual
elements were not able to be there.

1343
01:12:05,113 --> 01:12:10,636
And yet that show still
communicated to that sort of more general audience.

1344
01:12:11,223 --> 01:12:13,743
In case there's any chance
of, like, next year's Lollapalooza and stuff,

1345
01:12:13,846 --> 01:12:15,503
you know, the t-shirt
sales were great.

1346
01:12:18,195 --> 01:12:19,783
Record labels were
clamoring to-- to have us,

1347
01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:21,820
especially after
Nirvana had their success.

1348
01:12:21,923 --> 01:12:24,374
Everybody was looking
for the next Nirvana.

1349
01:12:24,478 --> 01:12:27,377
I was in line in L.A., uh...

1350
01:12:27,481 --> 01:12:31,036
at a Starbucks,
and a guy behind me taps me on the shoulder.

1351
01:12:31,139 --> 01:12:33,694
He was like, "Gibby."
And I was like, "Yeah, man."

1352
01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:35,765
President of Capitol Records.

1353
01:12:35,868 --> 01:12:39,009
What I saw was so mind boggling,

1354
01:12:39,113 --> 01:12:43,048
whether it was rock 'n roll
or psychedelic or... punk,

1355
01:12:43,151 --> 01:12:45,602
they did it all and they did it
pretty damn well.

1356
01:12:45,706 --> 01:12:48,881
I was sold. I wanted that band
on our label.

1357
01:12:48,985 --> 01:12:53,127
And suddenly,
the Butthole Surfers are a major label band.

1358
01:13:00,065 --> 01:13:02,239
I love the Beatles,
I love Dean Martin,

1359
01:13:02,343 --> 01:13:06,554
and the Beach Boys,
and just on and on, that were on Capitol Records.

1360
01:13:06,658 --> 01:13:09,902
And the thought
of the Butthole Surfers being on Capitol Records...

1361
01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:14,597
...that was just
too much to pass up.

1362
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,461
Capitol gave us
the money.

1363
01:13:16,564 --> 01:13:17,807
So the pressure was on.

1364
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:20,016
Let's try to give them
their money's worth.

1365
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:21,362
Let's make a rock record.

1366
01:13:21,466 --> 01:13:24,641
And we had a lot
of A-list producers

1367
01:13:24,745 --> 01:13:26,609
that were interested
in the job.

1368
01:13:26,712 --> 01:13:28,404
The name John Paul Jones
came up.

1369
01:13:28,507 --> 01:13:30,060
At that point,
you know, it's like,

1370
01:13:30,302 --> 01:13:32,511
"Do we want to go
to our graves saying we could have worked

1371
01:13:32,615 --> 01:13:34,168
with John Paul Jones,
but didn't?"

1372
01:13:35,894 --> 01:13:37,827
I had to work
with John Paul Jones.

1373
01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:40,830
He was great in the studio.

1374
01:13:40,933 --> 01:13:42,832
He taught me a lot
about producing.

1375
01:13:42,935 --> 01:13:44,765
He came to the practice space,
and listened to us

1376
01:13:44,868 --> 01:13:46,870
playing, and jamming,
and made suggestions.

1377
01:13:46,974 --> 01:13:49,770
I was playing banjo
in the studio,

1378
01:13:49,873 --> 01:13:52,117
with John Paul Jones
playing bass.

1379
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:59,469
It was on my bass
that he broke his very first bass string, ever.

1380
01:13:59,573 --> 01:14:02,092
I've got the string,
and it's framed in there.

1381
01:14:03,991 --> 01:14:05,958
And then, he was fun
to hang out with.

1382
01:14:06,062 --> 01:14:07,891
Because, fuck,
he's John Paul Jones.

1383
01:14:07,995 --> 01:14:12,862
We went $5,000
over budget on alcohol.

1384
01:14:12,965 --> 01:14:14,691
Uh, mainly scotch.

1385
01:14:14,795 --> 01:14:16,417
By the time that album
was finished,

1386
01:14:16,521 --> 01:14:18,661
he quit drinking entirely
after that.

1387
01:14:18,764 --> 01:14:20,594
We drove him to quit drinking.

1388
01:14:24,218 --> 01:14:28,843
The whiskey thing,
that was the last time you drank, am I right?

1389
01:14:28,947 --> 01:14:30,189
- No.
- No?

1390
01:14:30,293 --> 01:14:31,777
- That's a myth.
- Yeah.

1391
01:14:31,881 --> 01:14:34,677
I mean, I don't drink,
but that was years later.

1392
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:35,816
- Years later.
- Yeah.

1393
01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:38,128
Okay. Well, they claimed credit.

1394
01:14:38,232 --> 01:14:40,234
Oh, well...

1395
01:14:40,648 --> 01:14:43,755
Paul Leary is one of my all-time favorite guitarists.

1396
01:14:43,858 --> 01:14:45,032
He was worried that

1397
01:14:45,135 --> 01:14:46,378
maybe he pissed you off

1398
01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:48,449
because backstage in Austin
one time

1399
01:14:48,553 --> 01:14:51,107
he said he gave you
a Texas titty twister.

1400
01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:52,591
He did.

1401
01:14:52,695 --> 01:14:53,765
What possessed him?

1402
01:14:53,868 --> 01:14:55,421
I don't know what possessed him,

1403
01:14:55,525 --> 01:14:56,802
but I got him back immediately.

1404
01:14:56,906 --> 01:14:59,391
I just went, whup, so that
we were even.

1405
01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:01,255
Was it a friendly titty twister?

1406
01:15:01,358 --> 01:15:03,222
Yeah. No, it was friendly.

1407
01:15:03,326 --> 01:15:05,708
Texas titty twister, you know,
one of those.

1408
01:15:05,811 --> 01:15:07,226
I pinched his titty.

1409
01:15:07,330 --> 01:15:09,643
In New York,
we call it a purple nurple.

1410
01:15:09,746 --> 01:15:11,921
I don't know
if there's an English term for it.

1411
01:15:12,024 --> 01:15:14,026
We--we don't really
do that here.

1412
01:15:15,752 --> 01:15:19,445
It was an amazingly creative
and inspiring environment,

1413
01:15:19,549 --> 01:15:22,587
and it yielded the <i>Independent</i>
<i>Worm Saloon</i>record,

1414
01:15:23,553 --> 01:15:25,072
which up and to that point,

1415
01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:26,867
became the biggest record
of their career.

1416
01:15:29,007 --> 01:15:32,355
We had a minor radio
hit with "Who Was in My Room?"

1417
01:15:32,458 --> 01:15:34,633
<i>♪ All night long</i>
<i>My body burned ♪</i>

1418
01:15:34,737 --> 01:15:37,118
<i>♪ The sheets were</i>
<i>Wet and cold ♪</i>

1419
01:15:37,222 --> 01:15:39,811
<i>♪ The lights were on</i>
<i>My eyes were gone ♪</i>

1420
01:15:39,914 --> 01:15:42,572
<i>♪ And at any second</i>
<i>I'd lose control ♪</i>

1421
01:15:42,676 --> 01:15:45,782
That was our big
debut, in a way.

1422
01:15:45,886 --> 01:15:48,440
After all these years
of no-budget records,

1423
01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:50,925
it was fun to make a big,
dumb rock record.

1424
01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:53,790
<i>♪ Who the hell</i>
<i>Was in my bed ♪</i>

1425
01:15:59,209 --> 01:16:02,454
But joining Capitol added
a different dynamic to the band.

1426
01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:05,906
We ended up not being
in control anymore.

1427
01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:09,392
Before, Gibby was very much
in control of the business for us.

1428
01:16:09,495 --> 01:16:14,052
And when the decision-making
was no longer really in his control,

1429
01:16:14,155 --> 01:16:17,573
I think that helps you
to get a little bit more out of control,

1430
01:16:19,195 --> 01:16:20,990
to where he was
like, "Well, fuck it.

1431
01:16:21,093 --> 01:16:23,337
If y'all don't need me,
I'm gone."

1432
01:16:29,412 --> 01:16:33,761
I felt him starting to go, you
know, a bit distant from us.

1433
01:16:33,865 --> 01:16:38,145
<i>♪ Take me, break me </i>

1434
01:16:38,248 --> 01:16:42,736
<i>♪ Tell me a good one</i>
<i>And maybe I'll cry ♪</i>

1435
01:16:42,839 --> 01:16:44,669
I think it was
a South by Southwest event,

1436
01:16:44,772 --> 01:16:45,980
and there was a party.

1437
01:16:46,084 --> 01:16:47,533
I looked across the room
and I see Gibby,

1438
01:16:47,637 --> 01:16:48,949
so I start
wandering over there.

1439
01:16:49,052 --> 01:16:51,192
And I see him see me out
of the corner of his eye,

1440
01:16:51,296 --> 01:16:52,331
and he starts walking away.

1441
01:16:53,367 --> 01:16:56,646
At the time,
it wasn't making sense to me.

1442
01:16:57,751 --> 01:17:00,029
My feelings were
a little bit hurt.

1443
01:17:02,169 --> 01:17:04,758
<i>Yeah. Thank you.</i>

1444
01:17:07,277 --> 01:17:12,351
The Butthole Surfers
were playing in Virginia,

1445
01:17:12,938 --> 01:17:16,701
down in Norfolk, at a place
called The Boathouse.

1446
01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:19,807
And we finally get
into their dressing room.

1447
01:17:19,911 --> 01:17:21,740
And there's all of the guys
in the band.

1448
01:17:21,844 --> 01:17:24,122
They're all just hanging out.

1449
01:17:25,813 --> 01:17:29,161
And we're looking around
like, where's Gibby?

1450
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:33,303
And the door opens.

1451
01:17:33,718 --> 01:17:36,652
Just enough for Gibby
to poke his head in.

1452
01:17:36,755 --> 01:17:39,620
I look up and I say,
"Gibby, what's happening?"

1453
01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:42,623
And he looks green.

1454
01:17:42,727 --> 01:17:45,384
He's a little bit shrunken.

1455
01:17:45,488 --> 01:17:49,354
I've seen Gibby fucked up,
and fucked up out of his mind,

1456
01:17:49,457 --> 01:17:51,114
but not like that.

1457
01:17:52,219 --> 01:17:54,428
He looked like
he was ready to die.

1458
01:17:54,531 --> 01:17:58,604
And then they perform, and the
performance is amazing.

1459
01:17:59,019 --> 01:18:01,400
Gibby that you would
expect from him.

1460
01:18:06,129 --> 01:18:11,100
It was hard, to say the least,
when Gibby started using heroin.

1461
01:18:11,203 --> 01:18:13,412
He had an addictive
personality, I guess.

1462
01:18:13,516 --> 01:18:14,724
That wasn't really
clear to me.

1463
01:18:14,828 --> 01:18:16,657
And maybe it wasn't clear
to him.

1464
01:18:16,761 --> 01:18:20,143
Next thing you know,
you know, he's living at Johnny Depp's house,

1465
01:18:20,247 --> 01:18:23,388
and we're somewhere else
without Gibby.

1466
01:18:23,906 --> 01:18:25,942
Johnny Depp had done
a movie in Texas,

1467
01:18:26,046 --> 01:18:27,875
and befriended Gibby,

1468
01:18:27,979 --> 01:18:30,464
because he loved Buttholes
just like everybody else, right?

1469
01:18:30,567 --> 01:18:32,500
And then I was friends
with Johnny,

1470
01:18:32,604 --> 01:18:35,987
and then somehow Gibby just
moved into Johnny's house,

1471
01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:37,885
and then we were all
living there.

1472
01:18:37,989 --> 01:18:39,680
Let's call it
the Hollywood years.

1473
01:18:46,238 --> 01:18:47,723
He must have been on drugs,
because

1474
01:18:47,826 --> 01:18:49,483
I don't know how else
you could stomach that.

1475
01:18:49,966 --> 01:18:51,485
That's just,
that's horrendous.

1476
01:18:53,211 --> 01:18:56,801
"The Hollywood Hillbillies"
or whatever they were called,

1477
01:18:56,904 --> 01:19:00,943
you know, Johnny Depp,
Evan Dando, Leonardo DiCaprio,

1478
01:19:01,046 --> 01:19:02,703
Gibby is the ringleader.

1479
01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:04,291
That was in the same time
that

1480
01:19:04,394 --> 01:19:07,639
Johnny was opening up
The Viper Room.

1481
01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,330
I think the whole idea
of Viper Room

1482
01:19:09,434 --> 01:19:12,402
was to get everybody
out of his house.

1483
01:19:12,506 --> 01:19:15,578
He had some really
rapscallions living around that house.

1484
01:19:15,681 --> 01:19:18,512
<i>♪ Give me one, two, three,</i>
<i>Four, five, six, seven,</i> <i>Eight, nine, ten ♪</i>

1485
01:19:18,615 --> 01:19:20,686
<i>♪ Bottles of gin </i>

1486
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:26,762
So the drug problem
just escalates around that Viper Room era.

1487
01:19:26,865 --> 01:19:29,419
And I remember one
of the strange people

1488
01:19:29,523 --> 01:19:31,697
that was in that circle
was Timothy Leary.

1489
01:19:31,801 --> 01:19:33,872
Here, in 1993,

1490
01:19:33,976 --> 01:19:36,357
we are creating
a new language,

1491
01:19:36,461 --> 01:19:39,257
beamed around the world
at the speed of light.

1492
01:19:41,915 --> 01:19:45,159
Not the greatest
drug counselor in the world.

1493
01:19:46,851 --> 01:19:48,749
Look within. Know thyself.

1494
01:19:48,853 --> 01:19:51,545
We would go
to Timothy's house sometimes after the Viper Room.

1495
01:19:51,648 --> 01:19:55,963
I remember Al Jourgensen
was in town making a record,

1496
01:19:56,067 --> 01:19:58,759
and Gibby and Timothy Leary
got, like,

1497
01:19:58,863 --> 01:20:00,865
this brain trust of acid.

1498
01:20:02,832 --> 01:20:07,078
Basically, Tim would
test out whatever the new psychotropic drug

1499
01:20:07,181 --> 01:20:09,666
was being sent by either
University of Berkeley,

1500
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:12,462
or Sandoz Corporation
from Switzerland,

1501
01:20:12,566 --> 01:20:14,257
and we would inject it.

1502
01:20:14,361 --> 01:20:16,156
And-- aah!

1503
01:20:16,259 --> 01:20:19,642
And Tim would just
take notes, literally, like, in a lab coat.

1504
01:20:19,745 --> 01:20:20,712
Stick out your tongue.

1505
01:20:24,095 --> 01:20:26,131
And then,
after about week two,

1506
01:20:26,235 --> 01:20:28,582
Gibby lost it on one trip,

1507
01:20:28,685 --> 01:20:32,620
and went into Tim's office,
and peed all over his desk.

1508
01:20:32,724 --> 01:20:37,280
And so, he got thrown out
of, like, the Tim Leary experiment.

1509
01:20:37,384 --> 01:20:39,282
There's something weird
that goes on with people,

1510
01:20:39,386 --> 01:20:41,491
especially when you hang out
with enablers.

1511
01:20:41,595 --> 01:20:43,735
Al's quite an enabler.

1512
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,808
We smoked so much crack,
Gibby was convinced he was covered in spiders.

1513
01:20:47,912 --> 01:20:52,813
So he went to my room
to take a shower, and get rid of the spiders.

1514
01:20:52,917 --> 01:20:54,539
And then I started
hearing gunshots.

1515
01:20:56,265 --> 01:20:58,715
So I came running downstairs,
and there's Gibby naked,

1516
01:20:58,819 --> 01:21:02,271
with a fuckin' smoking gun,
and half my tiles blown out

1517
01:21:02,374 --> 01:21:04,790
in the shower,
because he was seeing spiders,

1518
01:21:04,894 --> 01:21:06,447
and he was shooting 'em.

1519
01:21:06,551 --> 01:21:09,450
And I had to replace
the whole fuckin' bathroom.

1520
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,563
The whole Ministry
scene was awful for him.

1521
01:21:18,666 --> 01:21:21,255
We would practice,
and when Gibby would show up,

1522
01:21:21,359 --> 01:21:24,293
he would be passed out
in the door jamb

1523
01:21:24,396 --> 01:21:27,503
in between our studio
and out in the hallway.

1524
01:21:27,606 --> 01:21:30,540
So it felt like we were
spinning our wheels a lot.

1525
01:21:34,855 --> 01:21:37,099
Can you hold this
for a second.

1526
01:21:37,202 --> 01:21:40,965
I would say it was probably
more mutual than I quit.

1527
01:21:41,068 --> 01:21:43,105
I think those guys
were getting sick of me

1528
01:21:43,208 --> 01:21:45,210
not liking
what we were doing.

1529
01:21:45,314 --> 01:21:47,212
Gibby asked me, he goes, "What
would you like to see happen?"

1530
01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:48,938
And I said,
"Let's get back into a room

1531
01:21:49,042 --> 01:21:50,560
and write songs together."

1532
01:21:50,664 --> 01:21:53,425
Because at that time
we were all passing

1533
01:21:53,529 --> 01:21:55,911
floppy disks around
or whatever.

1534
01:21:59,845 --> 01:22:03,884
And I didn't like the touring
options that we had.

1535
01:22:03,988 --> 01:22:05,955
I didn't like us
playing the big places.

1536
01:22:06,059 --> 01:22:07,923
Does that show
where indie rock is today?

1537
01:22:08,026 --> 01:22:09,752
Guys carrying
around $100 bills?

1538
01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:11,167
This isn't indie rock.

1539
01:22:11,271 --> 01:22:13,066
What makes you think
this is indie rock?

1540
01:22:13,169 --> 01:22:16,345
- Well, independent worm...
- Corporate rock.

1541
01:22:16,448 --> 01:22:19,003
We're booked
by William Morris.

1542
01:22:19,106 --> 01:22:20,521
We're on a major label.

1543
01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:23,076
We're as independent
as Frank Sinatra.

1544
01:22:23,179 --> 01:22:24,387
Bands should evolve.

1545
01:22:24,491 --> 01:22:28,046
But I felt we were
devolving into something

1546
01:22:28,150 --> 01:22:29,461
that was not as effective

1547
01:22:29,565 --> 01:22:32,050
as when people
were right in front of us.

1548
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,158
That kind of closeness.

1549
01:22:36,261 --> 01:22:37,642
They don't know
if they're gonna get hurt.

1550
01:22:37,745 --> 01:22:39,920
They don't know if they're
gonna catch on fire.

1551
01:22:40,024 --> 01:22:41,646
And it was really
a pleasure talking

1552
01:22:41,749 --> 01:22:43,130
to you here, Mr. Ski Cap.

1553
01:22:43,234 --> 01:22:44,614
Doo doo-doo-loo-doo.

1554
01:22:44,718 --> 01:22:45,995
Doo-doo.

1555
01:22:49,585 --> 01:22:53,934
Paul was right to have
been worried about Gibby.

1556
01:22:54,038 --> 01:23:00,354
I'd already felt that bite
of heroin.

1557
01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:04,013
So yeah, Gibby was--
Gibby was using.

1558
01:23:04,807 --> 01:23:08,052
I equate it always
with that Dr. Johnson quote.

1559
01:23:08,155 --> 01:23:13,160
"He who makes a beast of himself
gets rid of the pain of being a man."

1560
01:23:14,403 --> 01:23:18,786
John Frusciante,
Bob Forrest, River Phoenix...

1561
01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:24,171
It's not like none of us
didn't understand what we were getting into

1562
01:23:24,275 --> 01:23:29,073
in terms of
certain drugs and such.

1563
01:23:29,487 --> 01:23:33,905
It was a bit of a question mark
as to...

1564
01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:38,392
the future
of the Butthole Surfers and...

1565
01:23:38,496 --> 01:23:42,845
Gibby and I ended up
doing a record together.

1566
01:23:42,948 --> 01:23:45,710
And the band was called P.

1567
01:23:45,813 --> 01:23:49,127
<i>♪ I finally talked</i>
<i>to Michael Stipe ♪</i>

1568
01:23:49,231 --> 01:23:52,268
<i>♪ He touched me on my arm </i>

1569
01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:54,167
Johnny played guitar.

1570
01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:56,341
Gibby obviously did his thing.

1571
01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:59,586
And they were playing
a secret gig at the Viper Room.

1572
01:23:59,689 --> 01:24:02,830
River was hanging out
with us and everybody

1573
01:24:02,934 --> 01:24:04,591
was doing hard drugs.

1574
01:24:04,694 --> 01:24:09,216
And then we went
on stage and the song

1575
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,427
that we were playing
had his name in it.

1576
01:24:13,531 --> 01:24:16,258
<i>♪ Him and River Phoenix </i>

1577
01:24:16,361 --> 01:24:21,815
<i>♪ Were leaving</i>
<i>on the road tomorrow ♪</i>

1578
01:24:21,918 --> 01:24:25,474
And when we looked down,
he wasn't there. And then...

1579
01:24:26,889 --> 01:24:28,994
<i>23-year-old</i>
<i>Phoenix collapsed early</i>

1580
01:24:29,098 --> 01:24:31,342
<i>this morning</i>
<i>and died a short time later.</i>

1581
01:24:31,445 --> 01:24:34,207
<i>It happened outside</i>
<i>a West Hollywood nightclub.</i>

1582
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:37,210
<i>Phoenix's friends say he had</i>
<i>been acting strangely</i>

1583
01:24:37,313 --> 01:24:39,004
<i>shortly before he collapsed.</i>

1584
01:24:39,108 --> 01:24:40,972
I don't know.

1585
01:24:41,421 --> 01:24:44,079
<i>♪ I finally met</i>
<i>old Michael Stipe ♪</i>

1586
01:24:44,182 --> 01:24:48,497
<i>♪ I met the girl</i>
<i>in his video too ♪</i>

1587
01:24:53,398 --> 01:24:55,124
So many people
looked up to Gibby.

1588
01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:57,022
He could have influence
that other people

1589
01:24:57,126 --> 01:24:58,576
couldn't have
with these people.

1590
01:24:58,679 --> 01:25:01,337
And sometimes that influence
could be good,

1591
01:25:01,441 --> 01:25:03,581
but sometimes it could be bad.

1592
01:25:03,684 --> 01:25:06,342
Gibby had an influence
on Kurt Cobain too.

1593
01:25:06,446 --> 01:25:08,620
He could talk to Kurt
in certain ways.

1594
01:25:08,724 --> 01:25:12,900
And Kurt was
in rehab with Gibby.

1595
01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:16,421
Four days before he died.

1596
01:25:19,424 --> 01:25:22,669
There was an outdoor area
with a seven-foot-tall

1597
01:25:22,772 --> 01:25:24,671
cinder block wall
around the whole thing.

1598
01:25:24,774 --> 01:25:26,983
And I was alone out
there with Kurt.

1599
01:25:27,087 --> 01:25:28,537
I started telling him
about how

1600
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,678
Anthony
had been to the rehab

1601
01:25:31,781 --> 01:25:35,164
and he escaped
by jumping over the wall.

1602
01:25:35,268 --> 01:25:38,063
Which was really ridiculous
because you could just

1603
01:25:38,167 --> 01:25:40,756
go to the front door
and go, "See you later."

1604
01:25:40,859 --> 01:25:46,175
And then Kurt left the rehab
by jumping over the wall.

1605
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:49,109
He felt like
he failed Kurt, right?

1606
01:25:49,213 --> 01:25:51,663
That he couldn't convince
him to stay

1607
01:25:51,767 --> 01:25:55,840
or to just hold on or just not
listen to all the chatter.

1608
01:25:55,943 --> 01:25:57,876
And this gets really tragic,

1609
01:25:57,980 --> 01:26:00,500
these two deaths,
River and Kurt.

1610
01:26:00,603 --> 01:26:05,746
I think Gibby carries a lot
of that sadness, that tragedy,

1611
01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:08,853
because he did have a lot
of influence on people.

1612
01:26:08,956 --> 01:26:13,202
That's probably his lowest
point, that kind of era.

1613
01:26:13,306 --> 01:26:15,929
And ironically, it's
when he has the hit song too.

1614
01:26:18,725 --> 01:26:20,244
Hi, I'm Kurt Loder
with MTV News.

1615
01:26:20,347 --> 01:26:22,522
After 15 years
of semi-underground renown,

1616
01:26:22,625 --> 01:26:24,627
Austin's Butthole Surfers
have scored a commercial hit

1617
01:26:24,731 --> 01:26:26,802
with their single "Pepper"
off the group's new album

1618
01:26:26,905 --> 01:26:28,010
<i>Electriclarryland.</i>

1619
01:26:31,324 --> 01:26:33,705
Really catapulted them
in the mainstream.

1620
01:26:33,809 --> 01:26:35,569
Like I don't think
anybody would have

1621
01:26:35,673 --> 01:26:37,157
ever imagined could happen.

1622
01:26:37,261 --> 01:26:40,160
Please welcome
Butthole Surfers, kids.

1623
01:26:40,264 --> 01:26:42,990
<i>♪ I don't mind</i>
<i>the sun sometimes ♪</i>

1624
01:26:43,094 --> 01:26:45,924
<i>♪ The images it shows </i>

1625
01:26:46,028 --> 01:26:48,548
<i>♪ I can taste you on my lips </i>

1626
01:26:48,651 --> 01:26:51,413
<i>♪ And smell you in my clothes </i>

1627
01:26:51,516 --> 01:26:53,069
We were in this studio

1628
01:26:53,173 --> 01:26:55,071
and Gibby came up
with all those lyrics.

1629
01:26:55,175 --> 01:26:56,832
I remember him sitting
in the other room

1630
01:26:56,935 --> 01:26:58,523
coming up with lyrics.

1631
01:26:58,627 --> 01:27:00,594
The lyrics were about
my friends from high school

1632
01:27:00,698 --> 01:27:03,908
who died or were,
you know, injured horribly.

1633
01:27:04,011 --> 01:27:06,393
<i>♪ Tommy played piano like</i>
<i>a kid out in the rain ♪</i>

1634
01:27:06,497 --> 01:27:08,257
<i>♪ And then he lost</i>
<i>his leg in Dallas ♪</i>

1635
01:27:08,361 --> 01:27:09,741
<i>♪ He was dancing</i>
<i>with a train ♪</i>

1636
01:27:09,845 --> 01:27:11,260
This is the trestle

1637
01:27:11,364 --> 01:27:13,400
right next
to Lake Highlands High School.

1638
01:27:13,504 --> 01:27:16,403
"Tommy played piano
like a kid out in the rain,

1639
01:27:16,507 --> 01:27:19,613
"he lost his leg in Dallas,
he was dancing with a train,"

1640
01:27:19,717 --> 01:27:21,581
well, he was a friend
of Gibby's

1641
01:27:21,684 --> 01:27:24,929
and he was
in a blackout one night.

1642
01:27:25,516 --> 01:27:30,003
Wandering around the trestle
here and was hit by a train.

1643
01:27:32,143 --> 01:27:33,351
They called me in
to do a solo,

1644
01:27:33,455 --> 01:27:35,146
guitar solo on that record.

1645
01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:37,217
And so I went in there
and Gibby was still

1646
01:27:37,321 --> 01:27:38,736
singing lyrics,
so I waited and waited,

1647
01:27:38,839 --> 01:27:41,256
and I think I waited
like six freaking hours.

1648
01:27:41,635 --> 01:27:43,292
And finally it's done.
It's like, okay, it's time.

1649
01:27:43,396 --> 01:27:46,606
And we're out of time,
you get one take.

1650
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:49,056
And then Gibby comes in
after it's all done.

1651
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,334
And he hated it.

1652
01:27:50,437 --> 01:27:51,645
And I can remember,
it was like,

1653
01:27:51,749 --> 01:27:53,233
okay, Gibby,
it's cracked the top ten.

1654
01:27:53,337 --> 01:27:55,442
Do you like the song now?
And he goes, "No."

1655
01:27:55,546 --> 01:27:57,755
Okay, Gibby, it's number one.
Now are you happy?

1656
01:27:57,858 --> 01:28:00,689
He's like, "No, it should
have been number one-half."

1657
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,795
You all right?
Thank you very much.

1658
01:28:03,899 --> 01:28:05,797
Butthole Surfers, kids.

1659
01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:07,730
I kind of feel bad about that.

1660
01:28:07,834 --> 01:28:11,009
Yeah, that he thinks
I didn't like that song.

1661
01:28:11,596 --> 01:28:16,394
That's-- I don't know
how to respond to that.

1662
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:19,570
It's like a marriage.

1663
01:28:21,675 --> 01:28:24,989
It takes a lot to keep
a marriage going.

1664
01:28:26,266 --> 01:28:27,992
You know,
we weren't cut out

1665
01:28:28,095 --> 01:28:29,683
for major label,
I don't think.

1666
01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:31,892
We were
signed by Hale Milgram,

1667
01:28:31,996 --> 01:28:34,688
who was a real music guy
and a swell guy.

1668
01:28:34,792 --> 01:28:37,208
And then shortly after
he signed, he's gone.

1669
01:28:37,312 --> 01:28:38,761
And in comes Gary Gersh.

1670
01:28:38,865 --> 01:28:40,901
And Gary Gersh didn't
know what to do with us.

1671
01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:43,525
So they kind of left us
alone to our own thing.

1672
01:28:43,628 --> 01:28:44,974
And then we came out
with "Pepper"

1673
01:28:45,078 --> 01:28:46,286
and had a number one hit.

1674
01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:48,461
Gary Gersh calls us up
to his office

1675
01:28:48,564 --> 01:28:50,359
to celebrate the gold record.

1676
01:28:50,463 --> 01:28:52,050
And he goes, "Hi,
I'm Gary Gersh.

1677
01:28:52,154 --> 01:28:53,328
I just want to let you know

1678
01:28:53,431 --> 01:28:55,053
I really appreciate
what you do."

1679
01:28:55,157 --> 01:28:56,365
I was like, wow.

1680
01:28:56,469 --> 01:28:58,091
This guy's all right
after all, you know,

1681
01:28:58,194 --> 01:28:59,541
that's pretty cool.

1682
01:28:59,644 --> 01:29:01,094
You know, I was feeling
all good about myself.

1683
01:29:01,197 --> 01:29:02,716
And then about
five minutes later,

1684
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:05,029
he comes over to me again
and goes, "Hi, I'm Gary Gersh.

1685
01:29:05,132 --> 01:29:06,306
I just want you to know

1686
01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:08,343
I really appreciate
what you do."

1687
01:29:08,446 --> 01:29:10,862
Oh, okay.

1688
01:29:12,899 --> 01:29:16,937
Next thing I know, you know,
they're done with us.

1689
01:29:17,041 --> 01:29:19,423
Capitol Records held us
hostage, saying,

1690
01:29:19,526 --> 01:29:21,217
"We're not going to release
your next record,"

1691
01:29:21,321 --> 01:29:22,840
nor would they release us.

1692
01:29:22,943 --> 01:29:24,738
So we were trapped.

1693
01:29:24,842 --> 01:29:26,775
Then they, like, sat on us
and smothered us for years.

1694
01:29:26,878 --> 01:29:29,087
Those were the worst days
of our lives.

1695
01:29:29,191 --> 01:29:32,539
Thankfully,
Hollywood came to the rescue

1696
01:29:32,643 --> 01:29:34,714
and, like, bought
our contract off Capitol

1697
01:29:34,817 --> 01:29:37,648
and released the record
we were working on,

1698
01:29:37,751 --> 01:29:41,652
what would become
the <i>Weird Revolution.</i>

1699
01:29:41,755 --> 01:29:44,448
<i>♪ I love the girls</i>
<i>and the money ♪</i>

1700
01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:46,898
<i>♪ And the shame of life </i>

1701
01:29:47,002 --> 01:29:50,212
"Shame Of Life," I didn't
have anything to do

1702
01:29:50,315 --> 01:29:51,455
with the writing of that song.

1703
01:29:51,558 --> 01:29:52,697
That was Gibby.

1704
01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:56,977
- Have a terrific day.
- And Kid Rock.

1705
01:29:57,081 --> 01:30:00,256
<i>♪ Kid Rock's my motherfucking</i>
<i>name, bitch ♪</i>

1706
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,431
<i>♪ You know me,</i>
<i>so pass the OE ♪</i>

1707
01:30:02,535 --> 01:30:03,846
I've never worked with Kid.

1708
01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:05,676
Didn't
he do that song with you?

1709
01:30:05,779 --> 01:30:07,436
Nope. I never worked
with Kid Rock.

1710
01:30:07,540 --> 01:30:08,920
Why am I thinking that?

1711
01:30:09,024 --> 01:30:10,301
I don't know.

1712
01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:11,751
I think
Gibby wants to write

1713
01:30:11,854 --> 01:30:13,200
the Kid Rock thing
out of history.

1714
01:30:13,304 --> 01:30:15,548
I can get behind that.

1715
01:30:17,964 --> 01:30:21,139
Gibby just was
in no state of mind

1716
01:30:21,243 --> 01:30:23,832
to make a record,
I don't think.

1717
01:30:24,557 --> 01:30:27,352
I gotta
ask some questions

1718
01:30:27,456 --> 01:30:28,906
about unpleasant shit.

1719
01:30:29,009 --> 01:30:29,941
Which would be what?

1720
01:30:30,045 --> 01:30:32,565
Well,
you know, drug problems.

1721
01:30:33,462 --> 01:30:34,808
Yeah, yeah.

1722
01:30:34,912 --> 01:30:36,534
Like,
how do you look back

1723
01:30:36,638 --> 01:30:40,124
on all that stuff now?

1724
01:30:48,443 --> 01:30:50,824
Saying that his drug
problem destroyed the band

1725
01:30:50,928 --> 01:30:52,930
is probably a bit much.
To be honest,

1726
01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:58,280
at that point, the band had
been going on for a long time.

1727
01:30:58,383 --> 01:31:01,525
The ship might have not
had anywhere to really go.

1728
01:31:01,628 --> 01:31:04,286
You know,
maybe drugs were a product

1729
01:31:04,389 --> 01:31:07,462
of things being expired.

1730
01:31:07,565 --> 01:31:10,672
I saw the writing
on the wall early,

1731
01:31:10,775 --> 01:31:13,847
and that's why
I started producing.

1732
01:31:13,951 --> 01:31:16,712
Like, you know,
I need an escape hatch.

1733
01:31:16,816 --> 01:31:20,509
Then Paul gets
to, like, go on to produce.

1734
01:31:20,613 --> 01:31:22,407
Like, he did that,
like, the Sublime record.

1735
01:31:22,511 --> 01:31:25,169
<i>♪ Early in the morning </i>

1736
01:31:25,272 --> 01:31:27,654
<i>♪ Rising to the street </i>

1737
01:31:27,758 --> 01:31:30,001
<i>♪ Light me up</i>
<i>that cigarette ♪</i>

1738
01:31:30,105 --> 01:31:32,763
<i>♪ And I strap shoes</i>
<i>on my feet ♪</i>

1739
01:31:32,866 --> 01:31:35,490
<i>♪ Got to find a reason </i>

1740
01:31:35,593 --> 01:31:37,871
<i>♪ Reason things went wrong </i>

1741
01:31:37,975 --> 01:31:40,564
<i>♪ Got to find a reason why </i>

1742
01:31:40,667 --> 01:31:42,980
<i>♪ My money's all gone </i>

1743
01:31:43,670 --> 01:31:46,086
That was a big
thing in your life?

1744
01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:48,399
Yeah, that was my lottery.

1745
01:31:48,503 --> 01:31:49,745
I love the studio.

1746
01:31:49,849 --> 01:31:52,127
That's the one place
where I can control

1747
01:31:52,230 --> 01:31:56,234
what's going on
and once I step out the door.

1748
01:32:04,001 --> 01:32:06,624
During the making
of our last album,

1749
01:32:06,728 --> 01:32:08,039
we were trying to make
it work,

1750
01:32:08,143 --> 01:32:09,869
and we were in pretty
good spirits.

1751
01:32:09,972 --> 01:32:11,940
He came into the control
room and just started

1752
01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:13,700
chewing me out
in front of everybody.

1753
01:32:13,804 --> 01:32:15,530
Our manager
was there at the time,

1754
01:32:15,633 --> 01:32:18,429
and he was like,
"Don't you leave on me!"

1755
01:32:18,533 --> 01:32:20,051
I thought he was
going to beat me up,

1756
01:32:20,155 --> 01:32:24,193
and I had no earthly idea
what I had done.

1757
01:32:24,297 --> 01:32:26,264
But what
if he said, you know,

1758
01:32:26,368 --> 01:32:27,749
"I'm sorry about last time,

1759
01:32:27,852 --> 01:32:29,613
but can you give me
another chance?"

1760
01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:31,097
That's hard to imagine.

1761
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:32,685
He's not an apologizer.

1762
01:32:34,031 --> 01:32:35,619
Has he never apologized?

1763
01:32:35,722 --> 01:32:38,000
I can't remember a time.

1764
01:32:40,278 --> 01:32:43,799
I never thought about what
regret means very much,

1765
01:32:43,903 --> 01:32:47,182
other than I've sure
had plenty of them.

1766
01:32:47,285 --> 01:32:49,805
I was definitely not
the son my mother wanted.

1767
01:32:49,909 --> 01:32:52,325
And I still feel
bad about that.

1768
01:32:52,428 --> 01:32:55,224
She took down the pictures
of me around the house,

1769
01:32:55,328 --> 01:32:57,330
you know, to where there
was no more pictures

1770
01:32:57,433 --> 01:33:00,022
of her son anywhere.

1771
01:33:00,126 --> 01:33:02,680
And if her friends
asked how I was doing,

1772
01:33:02,784 --> 01:33:05,441
she just wouldn't
say anything.

1773
01:33:05,545 --> 01:33:09,031
That's got to hurt.

1774
01:33:09,135 --> 01:33:13,553
It did a little bit,
but I deserved it, you know.

1775
01:33:13,657 --> 01:33:16,383
I was a disappointment
to myself, too.

1776
01:33:22,182 --> 01:33:27,878
And she died before
we had a number one hit song.

1777
01:33:27,981 --> 01:33:30,397
- Well, right--
- Right as it was breaking.

1778
01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:32,883
But by then she was
in the hospital.

1779
01:33:32,986 --> 01:33:34,678
And she couldn't really--

1780
01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:39,199
No, she had other things
on her mind at that point.

1781
01:33:40,718 --> 01:33:42,720
We probably should have
walked away for a while.

1782
01:33:42,824 --> 01:33:45,827
We should have let Gibby
get some help.

1783
01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:48,830
We should
have let Paul process,

1784
01:33:48,933 --> 01:33:50,555
you know, his mom dying.

1785
01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:53,628
You know, there's a lot.

1786
01:33:57,010 --> 01:33:59,219
I can remember, you know,
not seeing Gibby for a while.

1787
01:33:59,323 --> 01:34:01,359
Suddenly there's
a knock on my front door,

1788
01:34:01,463 --> 01:34:03,016
and it was Gibby.

1789
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,984
And I was just shocked
as hell to see him, you know?

1790
01:34:05,087 --> 01:34:08,021
And he walks in and he looked
like a skeleton.

1791
01:34:08,125 --> 01:34:09,713
I could see his pants
and his shirt,

1792
01:34:09,816 --> 01:34:11,680
but I couldn't see anything
underneath it, you know,

1793
01:34:11,784 --> 01:34:13,199
it was just like a skeleton.

1794
01:34:13,302 --> 01:34:15,822
And he was hungry, and
he asked if I had any food.

1795
01:34:15,926 --> 01:34:17,928
And I said, well, you're
welcome to whatever I've got.

1796
01:34:18,031 --> 01:34:19,688
And he went over
the refrigerator and he was

1797
01:34:19,792 --> 01:34:22,587
literally eating ketchup
out of the bottle.

1798
01:34:23,105 --> 01:34:25,073
And I just thought
at that point, I was like,

1799
01:34:25,176 --> 01:34:28,145
man, this guy's not going
to last much longer.

1800
01:34:33,806 --> 01:34:37,223
Can you name artists that were influences on you?

1801
01:34:38,673 --> 01:34:40,226
Got to go with Neil Young.

1802
01:34:40,329 --> 01:34:42,607
Neil Young.
So what about Neil Young?

1803
01:34:42,711 --> 01:34:44,782
What spoke to you about him?

1804
01:34:44,886 --> 01:34:47,820
A record, <i>Tonight's the Night.</i>

1805
01:34:48,372 --> 01:34:50,201
Friend of mine
who knows him really well,

1806
01:34:50,305 --> 01:34:51,789
I was talking to him today,
and he goes,

1807
01:34:51,893 --> 01:34:54,930
he said,
Neil's kind of scary.

1808
01:35:00,867 --> 01:35:04,077
<i>♪ Well, he shot four men</i>
<i>in a cocaine deal ♪</i>

1809
01:35:09,393 --> 01:35:12,396
<i>♪ And he left 'em lying</i>
<i>in an open field ♪</i>

1810
01:35:12,499 --> 01:35:14,674
Why did he love
that record so much?

1811
01:35:14,778 --> 01:35:18,471
Oh, he used to,
like, sing and quote

1812
01:35:18,574 --> 01:35:22,647
the: "Tell me more,
tell me more, tell me more.

1813
01:35:22,751 --> 01:35:27,307
Was he a heavy doper
or was he just a loser?

1814
01:35:27,411 --> 01:35:30,379
He was a friend of yours."
He used to quote that.

1815
01:35:30,483 --> 01:35:33,900
<i>♪ Well, tell me more,</i>
<i>tell me more, tell me more ♪</i>

1816
01:35:34,004 --> 01:35:37,870
<i>♪ I mean,</i>
<i>was he a heavy doper or ♪</i>

1817
01:35:42,737 --> 01:35:44,946
<i>♪ Was he just a loser? </i>

1818
01:35:45,049 --> 01:35:47,500
He tried to do his best but--
That's another one

1819
01:35:47,603 --> 01:35:51,642
he used to say, "He tried to
do his best but he could not."

1820
01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,783
<i>♪ Tried to do his best </i>

1821
01:35:54,887 --> 01:35:57,165
<i>♪ But he could not </i>

1822
01:36:06,484 --> 01:36:08,832
What's your earliest memory?

1823
01:36:13,595 --> 01:36:15,355
Uh...

1824
01:36:17,633 --> 01:36:20,809
My earliest memory,

1825
01:36:20,913 --> 01:36:23,778
at least one of them, is...

1826
01:36:26,746 --> 01:36:29,714
on Modlin Street.

1827
01:36:29,818 --> 01:36:32,821
Imagine that, Modlin Street
in Dallas, Texas.

1828
01:36:32,925 --> 01:36:35,824
And I was probably...

1829
01:36:35,928 --> 01:36:40,242
...four.
I was in between our houses.

1830
01:36:41,209 --> 01:36:44,384
And our next-door neighbor

1831
01:36:44,488 --> 01:36:46,731
made me pull down
my pants and he tried

1832
01:36:46,835 --> 01:36:49,355
to stick a Barbie doll
up my ass.

1833
01:36:50,735 --> 01:36:52,530
He was stronger than me.

1834
01:36:54,463 --> 01:36:56,465
I didn't know what to do.

1835
01:37:07,442 --> 01:37:12,343
There was neighborhood
awareness of this creep.

1836
01:37:12,447 --> 01:37:13,897
- There was?
- Yeah.

1837
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,691
Wait, you didn't tell
your parents?

1838
01:37:15,795 --> 01:37:17,245
- I was four years old.
- Right.

1839
01:37:17,348 --> 01:37:18,625
I didn't know
what happened to me.

1840
01:37:18,729 --> 01:37:20,282
Dude next door,

1841
01:37:20,386 --> 01:37:23,044
he came and fucking stuck
a Barbie doll up my ass

1842
01:37:23,147 --> 01:37:25,322
and then fucked me
with his cock.

1843
01:37:26,461 --> 01:37:28,428
You can't help yourself.

1844
01:37:29,774 --> 01:37:32,605
Like, we only started talking

1845
01:37:32,708 --> 01:37:36,160
about real life
once we got sober

1846
01:37:36,264 --> 01:37:39,819
and you joke about it a lot
with the Barbie doll thing.

1847
01:37:39,923 --> 01:37:41,510
You know,
you make light of it.

1848
01:37:41,614 --> 01:37:43,719
- You make light of it.
- It's kind of funny.

1849
01:37:43,823 --> 01:37:46,239
We use humor
to deflect, Bob.

1850
01:37:46,343 --> 01:37:50,071
But what does humor
and shocking people do?

1851
01:37:50,174 --> 01:37:51,935
It gets you attention.

1852
01:37:52,038 --> 01:37:54,247
Gets you attention
and keeps people away.

1853
01:37:57,043 --> 01:37:59,149
We found the place.

1854
01:37:59,252 --> 01:38:02,842
Yeah.
In between the two houses.

1855
01:38:02,946 --> 01:38:04,430
And this is going on.

1856
01:38:04,533 --> 01:38:05,569
You're not making a sound?

1857
01:38:05,672 --> 01:38:06,846
You're not making any sound.

1858
01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:09,953
I was the dumb--
I was silent.

1859
01:38:20,549 --> 01:38:22,275
Uh...

1860
01:38:23,863 --> 01:38:28,454
- Like out of body.
- For sure.

1861
01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:34,978
I could see my face.

1862
01:38:43,641 --> 01:38:46,023
And that Wire song.

1863
01:38:46,817 --> 01:38:51,649
Screaming rape really loud for
some reason resonated with me.

1864
01:38:59,243 --> 01:39:03,661
And like, sometimes I'll just
cling to a lyric, like a line,

1865
01:39:03,765 --> 01:39:06,423
I just isolate.

1866
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:17,641
And I think that maybe
my parents saw a profound change in me

1867
01:39:17,744 --> 01:39:20,299
and thought that maybe
something might have happened

1868
01:39:20,402 --> 01:39:24,372
because when I was a child,
I would scream out for my father

1869
01:39:24,475 --> 01:39:27,962
to, like, bring me
a glass of water.

1870
01:39:28,065 --> 01:39:30,033
I did that, like, serially.

1871
01:39:30,136 --> 01:39:33,760
"Daddy,
I want a glass of water."

1872
01:39:33,864 --> 01:39:36,867
And what would he do?
He'd come in and be gentle and kind and...

1873
01:39:36,971 --> 01:39:38,627
Yeah, yeah.

1874
01:39:44,564 --> 01:39:46,566
I'm sorry what happened.

1875
01:39:46,670 --> 01:39:48,258
It's awful.

1876
01:40:09,382 --> 01:40:11,626
The relationship between
you and Paul changed

1877
01:40:11,729 --> 01:40:12,972
because you went to L.A.

1878
01:40:13,076 --> 01:40:15,319
Is that fair to say?

1879
01:40:16,389 --> 01:40:18,012
Well...

1880
01:40:18,115 --> 01:40:19,461
It sounds like
this is the first time

1881
01:40:19,565 --> 01:40:22,809
you're hearing
that Paul felt abandoned.

1882
01:40:25,260 --> 01:40:29,506
David Morgan,
he's...

1883
01:40:35,477 --> 01:40:37,169
Tom, here's the thing.

1884
01:40:37,272 --> 01:40:39,378
I don't think he's talked
about this stuff.

1885
01:40:39,481 --> 01:40:41,414
You're probably going to need
to get other people to talk

1886
01:40:41,518 --> 01:40:43,140
about the kind side of him.

1887
01:40:43,244 --> 01:40:44,900
He doesn't understand it.

1888
01:40:47,593 --> 01:40:48,663
Anyway.

1889
01:40:48,766 --> 01:40:49,871
I feel close, close to you.

1890
01:40:49,974 --> 01:40:51,873
So does John, so does Paul.

1891
01:40:51,976 --> 01:40:53,392
A lot of people
feel close to you.

1892
01:40:53,495 --> 01:40:55,601
Do you feel close to them?

1893
01:40:55,704 --> 01:40:56,981
- Yeah.
- Okay.

1894
01:40:57,085 --> 01:40:58,500
Yeah.

1895
01:40:58,604 --> 01:41:00,364
- No, I love my peoples.
- Maybe you need to call Paul

1896
01:41:00,468 --> 01:41:02,297
and tell him you love him.

1897
01:41:02,401 --> 01:41:05,128
- Aw!
- You do. You do.

1898
01:41:18,037 --> 01:41:22,490
I feel like I'm
a survivor in that...

1899
01:41:22,593 --> 01:41:25,596
I became a father.

1900
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:27,184
- Hey, buddy.
- Hey.

1901
01:41:27,288 --> 01:41:32,051
It's my buddy.
It's my buddy, Satchel.

1902
01:41:32,155 --> 01:41:34,847
Gibby really
should be a dead man,

1903
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:36,607
but because he met Missy,

1904
01:41:36,711 --> 01:41:39,990
because he had a son, it gave
him a reason to want to live.

1905
01:41:40,094 --> 01:41:42,165
Otherwise he'd be
another rock star

1906
01:41:42,268 --> 01:41:43,787
who partied too hard and died.

1907
01:41:43,890 --> 01:41:47,101
What do you know about
my career as a rock star?

1908
01:41:47,204 --> 01:41:48,585
Not much.

1909
01:41:50,138 --> 01:41:52,209
I never thought
that I'd be capable

1910
01:41:52,313 --> 01:41:53,762
of being a good parent.

1911
01:41:53,866 --> 01:41:55,109
But I'm a good daddy.

1912
01:41:55,212 --> 01:41:59,561
<i>♪ God shed</i>
<i>his grace on thee ♪</i>

1913
01:41:59,665 --> 01:42:02,046
There's a lot
to be said for maturing.

1914
01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:04,325
Gibby was really volatile

1915
01:42:04,428 --> 01:42:07,500
and really angry
as a younger man.

1916
01:42:07,604 --> 01:42:11,470
<i>♪ From sea to shining sea </i>

1917
01:42:11,573 --> 01:42:12,850
Dad, you're a horrible singer.

1918
01:42:12,954 --> 01:42:14,197
That's the point.

1919
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:16,820
I think as an older man
and with a family,

1920
01:42:16,923 --> 01:42:18,201
I think he's found some peace.

1921
01:42:18,304 --> 01:42:21,445
Ah, Jesus!

1922
01:42:22,308 --> 01:42:24,448
That's my hope at least.

1923
01:42:27,244 --> 01:42:30,282
But Gibby isn't the only
one who's found happiness.

1924
01:42:30,385 --> 01:42:33,285
I became happy
when I met my wife, Susan.

1925
01:42:33,388 --> 01:42:35,183
I just never thought
I could be a happy person.

1926
01:42:35,287 --> 01:42:37,703
I didn't even know
what it really was.

1927
01:42:37,806 --> 01:42:39,981
I've always wanted to be
normal, and I've always been

1928
01:42:40,084 --> 01:42:43,122
looking for normalcy
until I met her.

1929
01:42:43,226 --> 01:42:44,951
And she's kind of normal.

1930
01:42:45,055 --> 01:42:46,470
This is my puzzle.

1931
01:42:46,574 --> 01:42:50,578
I've spent two months
trying to accomplish this.

1932
01:42:50,681 --> 01:42:53,374
She's able to put up
with me and keep me

1933
01:42:53,477 --> 01:42:55,859
straight and not too goofy.

1934
01:42:55,962 --> 01:42:59,621
Paul's a born dog
lover, but I was a cat owner.

1935
01:42:59,725 --> 01:43:02,245
So now Paul realizes
how wonderful a cat can be.

1936
01:43:02,348 --> 01:43:04,661
We are very happy together.

1937
01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:12,979
I met Craig in 1991.

1938
01:43:13,083 --> 01:43:14,981
He and I had talked
about marriage

1939
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:17,260
and I'm just kind of taking
a punk rock approach,

1940
01:43:17,363 --> 01:43:19,262
saying we didn't need
a document.

1941
01:43:19,365 --> 01:43:21,125
We considered
ourselves married.

1942
01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:22,989
That was enough.

1943
01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:26,027
It wasn't till Craig
became diagnosed

1944
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:29,203
with a ultimately
fatal brain disease

1945
01:43:29,306 --> 01:43:32,965
and that I realized
legally I am--

1946
01:43:34,932 --> 01:43:36,555
That I'm...

1947
01:43:36,658 --> 01:43:40,490
just his roommate,
just a friend.

1948
01:43:42,285 --> 01:43:44,563
Unless we get married.

1949
01:43:44,977 --> 01:43:46,772
At that particular window,

1950
01:43:46,875 --> 01:43:49,913
one could not
get gay married in Texas.

1951
01:43:50,016 --> 01:43:51,673
It was a hassle,
it really was.

1952
01:43:51,777 --> 01:43:53,227
But we found a way
to get married.

1953
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:55,401
By the time
we got back to Texas,

1954
01:43:55,505 --> 01:43:58,335
we were kind of married
under federal law,

1955
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,682
but under Texas law,
we weren't.

1956
01:44:00,786 --> 01:44:05,135
I love Texas. I'm Texan.
I love being here.

1957
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:14,800
But it hurts.

1958
01:44:14,903 --> 01:44:18,597
I know Craig would be here
for me and I'm here for him,

1959
01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:23,049
but it's been incredibly hard
to watch somewhat decay.

1960
01:44:25,811 --> 01:44:29,849
I guess I should
take this opportunity

1961
01:44:29,953 --> 01:44:34,233
to say that I've recently
been diagnosed

1962
01:44:34,337 --> 01:44:39,376
with end-stage lung disease.

1963
01:44:40,895 --> 01:44:44,830
I loved smoking cigarettes
and every pack

1964
01:44:44,933 --> 01:44:46,935
says that it'll kill you.

1965
01:44:47,039 --> 01:44:48,316
I'm not stupid.

1966
01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:52,665
I knew what I was doing
and I'm fine with it.

1967
01:44:55,841 --> 01:45:00,949
And I'm so blessed to have
so many good friends

1968
01:45:01,053 --> 01:45:05,506
and to have been able to live
such a cool life

1969
01:45:05,609 --> 01:45:07,784
and all the people
I got to meet

1970
01:45:07,887 --> 01:45:12,064
and the shows we got to play,
it was all worth it.

1971
01:45:14,791 --> 01:45:19,968
King is the most Zen Buddhist
guy I ever met in my life.

1972
01:45:20,486 --> 01:45:23,834
I did come to believe
that he was my brother

1973
01:45:23,938 --> 01:45:27,424
and he was my leader.

1974
01:45:28,322 --> 01:45:31,739
Paul is like a solid guy.

1975
01:45:31,842 --> 01:45:35,294
I can't believe I got
to play drums in a band

1976
01:45:35,398 --> 01:45:37,883
with a guy that can
play guitar like that.

1977
01:45:37,986 --> 01:45:40,506
That's fucking outrageous.

1978
01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:42,612
<i>♪ Sittin' in a disco </i>

1979
01:45:42,715 --> 01:45:44,130
Pinkus is funny.

1980
01:45:44,234 --> 01:45:46,201
I think of him as like,

1981
01:45:46,305 --> 01:45:49,653
the only bass player
we ever found

1982
01:45:49,757 --> 01:45:51,586
that would put up with us.

1983
01:45:52,691 --> 01:45:55,763
I love Gibby Haynes.

1984
01:45:55,866 --> 01:45:59,836
He's the funniest

1985
01:45:59,939 --> 01:46:03,218
person I ever met.

1986
01:46:03,322 --> 01:46:05,738
I love him with all my heart.

1987
01:46:06,981 --> 01:46:10,709
I always have
and I always will.

1988
01:46:44,398 --> 01:46:46,434
You look great, dude!

1989
01:46:48,194 --> 01:46:49,541
- Hug this out.
- All right.

1990
01:46:49,644 --> 01:46:51,059
You brought the--
You brought the--

1991
01:46:51,163 --> 01:46:52,475
Yeah, the thing-ulele.

1992
01:46:52,578 --> 01:46:54,408
Yeah. Might as well.
It's a recording studio.

1993
01:46:54,511 --> 01:46:55,823
The last person
to play those drums

1994
01:46:55,926 --> 01:46:58,757
was Teresa
on that tour we did.

1995
01:47:02,036 --> 01:47:05,557
It's a 125 and he whittled
out the nut and set it up.

1996
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:09,215
<i>♪ The continent of Atlantis</i>
<i>was an island ♪</i>

1997
01:47:09,319 --> 01:47:11,390
<i>♪ So great an area of land </i>

1998
01:47:11,494 --> 01:47:13,427
<i>♪ That from</i>
<i>her western shores ♪</i>

1999
01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:16,395
<i>♪ Those beautiful</i>
<i>sailors journeyed ♪</i>

2000
01:47:16,499 --> 01:47:18,811
<i>♪ To all corners</i>
<i>of the earth ♪</i>

2001
01:47:18,915 --> 01:47:23,851
<i>♪ Let us rejoice,</i>
<i>let us sing and dance ♪</i>

2002
01:47:23,954 --> 01:47:28,165
<i>♪ Ringing anew</i>
<i>Hail Atlantis ♪</i>

2003
01:47:29,304 --> 01:47:31,617
<i>♪ Way down </i>

2004
01:47:31,721 --> 01:47:35,966
<i>♪ Below the ocean </i>

2005
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:41,938
<i>♪ Where I wanna be</i>
<i>she may be ♪</i>

2006
01:47:45,424 --> 01:47:46,805
Nyuck, nyuck.

2007
01:47:59,196 --> 01:48:04,408
<i>♪ Hello, Perry </i>

2008
01:48:04,823 --> 01:48:10,932
<i>♪ You think you're</i>
<i>so fucking scary ♪</i>

2009
01:48:12,865 --> 01:48:15,074
<i>It's about coming of age.</i>

2010
01:48:15,178 --> 01:48:17,042
<i>It's about learning</i>
<i>how to do it.</i>

2011
01:48:17,145 --> 01:48:19,907
<i>It's about learning how</i>
<i>to experience things the way</i>

2012
01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:21,736
<i>they ought to be experienced.</i>

2013
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,945
<i>It's about growing up.</i>

2014
01:48:24,049 --> 01:48:27,086
<i>It's about digging</i>
<i>the shit off the floors.</i>

2015
01:48:27,190 --> 01:48:30,020
<i>It's about doing the things</i>
<i>that you ought to do.</i>

2016
01:48:30,124 --> 01:48:32,816
<i>It's about being</i>
<i>a butthole surfer.</i>

2017
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,716
<i>It's about doing</i>
<i>promotional work.</i>

2018
01:48:35,819 --> 01:48:37,890
<i>It's about-- It's about PR.</i>

2019
01:48:37,994 --> 01:48:40,168
<i>It's about all these things.</i>

2020
01:48:40,272 --> 01:48:41,756
<i>It's about loving yourself.</i>

2021
01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:43,309
<i>It's about loving your mum.</i>

2022
01:48:43,413 --> 01:48:45,173
<i>It's about loving your dad.</i>

2023
01:48:45,277 --> 01:48:46,830
<i>It's about doing the things.</i>

2024
01:48:46,934 --> 01:48:48,798
<i>It's about going</i>
<i>to the go kart track.</i>

2025
01:48:48,901 --> 01:48:50,524
<i>It's about loving everything.</i>

2026
01:48:50,627 --> 01:48:53,527
<i>Your pop, your kitty,</i>
<i>all the things.</i>

2027
01:48:53,630 --> 01:48:55,874
<i>The cat food, the little bits</i>
<i>of crayons,</i>

2028
01:48:55,977 --> 01:48:58,946
<i>the melted pieces,</i>
<i>the loving friends,</i>

2029
01:48:59,049 --> 01:49:01,017
<i>all the things</i>
<i>you wish you had.</i>

2030
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,846
You're gonna make
either a right

2031
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:05,055
or a left or you're
gonna go straight.

2032
01:49:06,505 --> 01:49:08,196
Yeah.