1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:25,818 --> 00:00:30,789 [man reading on-screen text] 4 00:00:42,214 --> 00:00:43,353 ["Sweat Loaf" by Butthole Surfers] 5 00:00:43,457 --> 00:00:46,460 ♪ "Daddy?" "Yes, son?" 6 00:00:46,563 --> 00:00:50,395 ♪ "Wh-wh-wh-wh-what does regret mean?" ♪ 7 00:00:50,498 --> 00:00:54,019 ♪ "Well, son, a funny thing about regret is ♪ 8 00:00:54,123 --> 00:00:56,677 [feedback screeches] 9 00:00:59,335 --> 00:01:04,133 [Flea] The Butthole Surfers are something that can only happen in one time in space. 10 00:01:04,236 --> 00:01:05,651 Wiener folk. 11 00:01:05,755 --> 00:01:06,928 [beeps] 12 00:01:07,032 --> 00:01:08,240 You know, Gibby just, like, 13 00:01:08,344 --> 00:01:10,139 what the fuck, man? 14 00:01:10,242 --> 00:01:12,002 He was, like, poetic and weird, 15 00:01:12,106 --> 00:01:16,248 and created this vehicle for this thing, and he got so lost in it. 16 00:01:16,352 --> 00:01:19,941 - [crickets chirping] - [indistinct, muffled words] 17 00:01:20,045 --> 00:01:22,599 There's so much yearning in it to, like, break through 18 00:01:22,703 --> 00:01:24,222 to something that hasn't been done before. 19 00:01:24,325 --> 00:01:26,016 But it's also dangerous, you know? 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,226 [Gibby Haynes chuckling] 21 00:01:28,329 --> 00:01:30,400 Just bringing the fucking chaos. 22 00:01:30,504 --> 00:01:34,956 ["Hey" by Butthole Surfers] 23 00:01:35,060 --> 00:01:38,374 There is kind of a before and after when you wander into a Butthole Surfer show. 24 00:01:39,306 --> 00:01:41,066 ♪ Hey, hey, hey 25 00:01:41,170 --> 00:01:43,068 Like, the laws of the universe change. 26 00:01:43,172 --> 00:01:44,656 ♪ Hey-hey, hey 27 00:01:44,759 --> 00:01:46,485 [man] It's psychedelic. 28 00:01:47,969 --> 00:01:49,868 People were scared. 29 00:01:49,971 --> 00:01:51,387 ♪ Even if you could 30 00:01:51,490 --> 00:01:54,321 The greatest live band of my lifetime. 31 00:01:54,424 --> 00:01:56,530 ♪ Let's go to hell, hey 32 00:01:56,633 --> 00:02:00,292 Butthole Surfers is what happened when Paul Leary 33 00:02:00,396 --> 00:02:03,088 collided with Gibby Haynes. 34 00:02:03,192 --> 00:02:06,229 ♪ Now I'm in love 35 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:10,060 - Just blew my mind. - [explosion] 36 00:02:10,164 --> 00:02:11,717 I'm a surfer! 37 00:02:11,821 --> 00:02:13,961 ♪ Why don't they see? 38 00:02:14,064 --> 00:02:15,790 ♪ Get your hands off me 39 00:02:15,894 --> 00:02:17,551 ♪ Hey, hey, hey 40 00:02:17,654 --> 00:02:20,657 ♪ Hey-hey, hey-hey, hey-hey 41 00:02:20,761 --> 00:02:25,283 ♪ I'm burning out Like a falling dove ♪ 42 00:02:25,386 --> 00:02:30,391 ♪ 'Cause I'm not fit To fall in love ♪ 43 00:02:37,433 --> 00:02:40,125 [Paul Leary] Butthole Surfers, you know, what mother wants their son 44 00:02:40,229 --> 00:02:42,610 to grow up to be in the Butthole Surfers? 45 00:02:46,994 --> 00:02:51,481 Right now I'm about as close to normal as I've ever been, and it feels pretty good. 46 00:02:52,275 --> 00:02:56,072 I'm an old man that looks like I should be working at the hardware store. 47 00:02:56,486 --> 00:02:58,730 [director] It took you a long time to get normal. 48 00:02:58,833 --> 00:03:00,214 Yeah, a very long time. 49 00:03:00,318 --> 00:03:02,216 [both laughing] 50 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,256 [♪ rock music] 51 00:03:08,912 --> 00:03:13,331 I went to Trinity University in San Antonio, Texas. 52 00:03:13,434 --> 00:03:15,885 My dad was a professor at Trinity University, 53 00:03:15,988 --> 00:03:18,301 so I got a full scholarship just for that. 54 00:03:18,405 --> 00:03:22,788 I don't know if I would've gotten into any other school, really. 55 00:03:22,892 --> 00:03:25,170 I wanted to be a stockbroker or something. 56 00:03:25,274 --> 00:03:27,310 It's such a normal thing. 57 00:03:27,414 --> 00:03:32,246 I've never really quite felt normal, and I always wanted to be normal. 58 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:34,559 I guess I figured I'd study enough business 59 00:03:34,662 --> 00:03:36,457 to get a good job out of college. 60 00:03:36,561 --> 00:03:38,942 But studying art was the fun part. 61 00:03:40,254 --> 00:03:43,706 I had been drawing since I was old enough to hold a pencil. 62 00:03:43,809 --> 00:03:47,227 My parents were sending me to a psychiatrist. 63 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:51,334 He wanted to see my drawings, so I was always drawing vomiting suns for him, 64 00:03:51,438 --> 00:03:54,234 you know, in his great psychological wisdom. 65 00:03:54,337 --> 00:03:56,891 You know, he could analyze what that meant. 66 00:03:56,995 --> 00:03:59,963 [♪ eerie music] 67 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:02,380 I felt weird from the get-go. 68 00:04:02,483 --> 00:04:05,624 I struggle to fit in with people, and sometimes 69 00:04:05,728 --> 00:04:08,213 I'm uncomfortable in situations, and... 70 00:04:08,317 --> 00:04:11,389 I wanted to be something that I couldn't be. 71 00:04:11,492 --> 00:04:14,564 So none of it ever made sense, really. 72 00:04:15,324 --> 00:04:16,359 That's when I met Gibby. 73 00:04:16,463 --> 00:04:19,431 Hello. I'm Gibson Haynes. 74 00:04:19,535 --> 00:04:23,021 - [thunder crashing] - [siren wailing] 75 00:04:23,124 --> 00:04:26,335 [Scott Stevens] Everybody knew who Gibby Haynes was. 76 00:04:26,438 --> 00:04:28,854 He was the star basketball player. 77 00:04:28,958 --> 00:04:31,581 I wasn't that good of an athlete, I just worked hard. 78 00:04:31,685 --> 00:04:33,411 [Stevens] He was in a frat, 79 00:04:33,514 --> 00:04:34,964 and he was also a business major. 80 00:04:35,067 --> 00:04:37,380 [Haynes] I obtained my undergraduate degree 81 00:04:37,484 --> 00:04:39,624 in accounting and economics. 82 00:04:39,727 --> 00:04:42,799 By then, he was in the art scene and the music scene too. 83 00:04:42,903 --> 00:04:47,045 Very artistic. I mean, he was putting stuff in the San Antonio Museum. 84 00:04:47,148 --> 00:04:50,428 So he had a lot of different social circles that he was a part of. 85 00:04:50,531 --> 00:04:52,188 [Leary] He was always the showman, though. 86 00:04:52,292 --> 00:04:54,190 [Tubbs] It's because his dad was famous, 87 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:55,985 and we all grew up watching him on TV. 88 00:04:56,088 --> 00:04:59,057 His dad was Mr. Peppermint. 89 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,748 [♪ cheery music] 90 00:05:00,852 --> 00:05:03,095 [announcer] Welcome to Peppermint Place! 91 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:08,100 He was Mr. Rogers with a little more flair than a boring sweater. 92 00:05:08,204 --> 00:05:09,792 Help, Mr. Peppermint! 93 00:05:09,895 --> 00:05:12,415 I fell off a cliff, Mr. Peppermint, over here. 94 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:14,141 Where are you, Muffin? 95 00:05:14,244 --> 00:05:15,694 ♪ As he strolled along 96 00:05:16,005 --> 00:05:19,491 ♪ He sang a song of The land of milk and honey ♪ 97 00:05:19,595 --> 00:05:21,873 [director] Does any of your flair for showmanship 98 00:05:21,976 --> 00:05:24,910 - come from your dad? - Yes. Oh, yeah. 99 00:05:25,014 --> 00:05:26,671 Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100 00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:28,983 Jerry Haynes. Good guy. 101 00:05:29,087 --> 00:05:32,435 My dad was just the nicest guy in Dallas. 102 00:05:32,539 --> 00:05:34,506 Well, here we go! 103 00:05:34,610 --> 00:05:36,577 [♪ cheery music] 104 00:05:36,681 --> 00:05:39,925 [Clare Butler] Gibby was just that kind of eccentric, wacky person like that, 105 00:05:40,029 --> 00:05:42,411 that you really wanted to be around him more. 106 00:05:42,514 --> 00:05:44,482 [Leary] He stood out on campus 'cause he was, you know, 107 00:05:44,585 --> 00:05:47,174 6'7" or whatever the hell he is, and... 108 00:05:47,277 --> 00:05:49,176 [♪ punk music] 109 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,075 ...punk haircut and a black leather biker jacket. 110 00:05:52,179 --> 00:05:57,253 I was just so fucking cool, man. I was beautiful. 111 00:05:58,634 --> 00:06:02,603 [Leary] I just remember going to his dorm and he had a really nice Pioneer stereo, 112 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:03,984 and he had great records. 113 00:06:06,676 --> 00:06:12,130 ["Love Will Tear Us Apart" by Joy Division playing] 114 00:06:12,233 --> 00:06:16,272 He helped turn me on to a lot of that cool music back in the day, 115 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:19,758 everything from the Ramones to Joy Division. 116 00:06:25,454 --> 00:06:28,042 [Andrew Mullin] Paul and Gibby, between 'em, saw each other, 117 00:06:28,146 --> 00:06:30,597 and there was an element of recognition, maybe. 118 00:06:30,700 --> 00:06:34,428 They clicked. They had it. It's the chemistry. 119 00:06:34,532 --> 00:06:37,673 You had this brilliant, introverted Paul, 120 00:06:37,776 --> 00:06:40,607 and then you had the outgoing Gibby, 121 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:43,264 and they just really went together so well. 122 00:06:43,368 --> 00:06:44,852 They were in love. 123 00:06:44,956 --> 00:06:50,858 ♪ Love, love Will tear us apart again ♪ 124 00:06:50,962 --> 00:06:54,275 That's how love hits. It's a big one. 125 00:06:54,379 --> 00:06:55,449 [both coughing] 126 00:06:55,553 --> 00:06:58,176 [♪ rock music] 127 00:06:58,659 --> 00:07:01,490 [Leary] We kind of got into abstract expressionism. 128 00:07:01,593 --> 00:07:03,112 Dada and all that stuff. 129 00:07:03,215 --> 00:07:06,356 [Haynes] Marcel Duchamp. He's the original punk rocker. 130 00:07:06,460 --> 00:07:08,220 I just liked his attitude. 131 00:07:08,324 --> 00:07:12,397 [Duchamp] TheMona Lisa with a mustache and a goatee. 132 00:07:12,501 --> 00:07:14,434 Things that were just stupid being art. 133 00:07:14,537 --> 00:07:18,230 - [man] Sacrilegious. - Sacrilegious, blasphemous, all you want. 134 00:07:18,334 --> 00:07:19,991 I was all about stupid ideas. 135 00:07:20,094 --> 00:07:22,856 So we started doing stuff. Just weird stuff. 136 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,445 Gibby and I were gonna start a t-shirt company. 137 00:07:25,548 --> 00:07:30,173 We were selling Lee Harvey Oswald t-shirts and pillowcases and bed sheets. 138 00:07:30,277 --> 00:07:35,109 And then we did make a sort of a zine, Strange VDmagazine. 139 00:07:36,352 --> 00:07:38,216 We took pictures from a book called 140 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:42,254 Stitt's Diagnosis and Treatment of Tropical Diseases. 141 00:07:42,358 --> 00:07:44,187 [♪ hard rock music] 142 00:07:44,291 --> 00:07:45,810 Strange VDis a wonderful book. 143 00:07:45,913 --> 00:07:48,571 You know, you should have it next to your bed table 144 00:07:48,675 --> 00:07:51,919 for those hours of quiet desperation when you can't fall asleep. 145 00:07:54,543 --> 00:07:57,097 [Haynes] It was so much fun, man, those days, 146 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,617 late seventies at Trinity. 147 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,930 And I don't know how the band came together. 148 00:08:03,034 --> 00:08:06,037 It just somehow... 149 00:08:08,798 --> 00:08:10,110 Uh... 150 00:08:12,388 --> 00:08:16,668 You know, Gibby had a guitar, like an old Silvertone guitar. 151 00:08:16,772 --> 00:08:19,499 We would hang out listening to music together and stuff. 152 00:08:19,602 --> 00:08:22,916 He would start playing his song ideas. 153 00:08:23,019 --> 00:08:28,300 He started playing music in Scott Matthews' house with Scott Stevens. 154 00:08:28,404 --> 00:08:30,924 Scott played drums. I played guitar. 155 00:08:31,027 --> 00:08:34,168 We have a lot of people named Scott in the band. 156 00:08:35,135 --> 00:08:38,448 And we played a song-- 157 00:08:38,552 --> 00:08:40,209 the first song we ever played-- 158 00:08:40,312 --> 00:08:41,831 I was listening to The Ventures. 159 00:08:41,935 --> 00:08:44,938 I really liked The Ventures in Space, 160 00:08:45,041 --> 00:08:48,320 and so when we started making a mess of noise, I had this little thing. 161 00:08:48,424 --> 00:08:51,565 [playing "Butthole Surfer"] 162 00:08:54,188 --> 00:08:56,605 After the noise, there was a period of silence... 163 00:08:56,708 --> 00:08:58,192 [crickets chirping] 164 00:08:58,296 --> 00:09:00,125 [distant dog barking] 165 00:09:00,850 --> 00:09:04,854 ...in which I said, "Wow, that sounds like surf music." 166 00:09:04,958 --> 00:09:09,721 And the drummer Scott said, "Yeah, butthole surf music." 167 00:09:09,825 --> 00:09:11,999 - [Stevens] That'll perk your ears up, right? - Yeah! 168 00:09:12,103 --> 00:09:14,864 Well, we've got ourselves a song. 169 00:09:14,968 --> 00:09:17,108 ♪ Butthole surfers Butthole surfers ♪ 170 00:09:17,211 --> 00:09:19,904 ♪ Fucking surfers Butthole surfer ♪ 171 00:09:20,007 --> 00:09:22,285 "Butthole Surfer." It was two chords. It was real simple. 172 00:09:22,389 --> 00:09:27,636 ♪ Butthole surf, wha-oh Butthole surf, wha-oh ♪ 173 00:09:28,809 --> 00:09:30,397 That was the first song we had. 174 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:33,089 But I was playing guitar, 175 00:09:33,193 --> 00:09:35,609 and we realized that a bass would be better. 176 00:09:35,713 --> 00:09:37,818 Paul could play guitar better than me, right? 177 00:09:37,922 --> 00:09:40,062 - Oh. - [guitar riff] 178 00:09:40,165 --> 00:09:44,756 Paul was like a psychedelic master on the fucking guitar. 179 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:49,105 Immediately recognizable. Awesome guitar player. 180 00:09:49,865 --> 00:09:53,385 I think Paul is one of the greatest guitar players ever. 181 00:09:56,009 --> 00:10:01,152 I started playing guitar at, like, age five. 182 00:10:02,153 --> 00:10:05,846 By age eight, I played in front of the school that I went to. 183 00:10:06,847 --> 00:10:09,091 And then I played in some garage bands. 184 00:10:09,194 --> 00:10:12,025 I learned how to play the Grand Funk Railroad 185 00:10:12,128 --> 00:10:14,234 double Live Album from start to finish. 186 00:10:14,337 --> 00:10:19,411 [♪ rock music] 187 00:10:19,515 --> 00:10:23,692 [chuckles] And, you know, back then, you know, it was, like-- 188 00:10:23,795 --> 00:10:27,765 it was fun to listen to music that you knew would irritate your mom. 189 00:10:27,868 --> 00:10:29,732 [director] She was a Black Sabbath fan? 190 00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:31,976 [Leary laughs] I don't think so. 191 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:34,495 My mom raised me to be a gentleman. 192 00:10:34,875 --> 00:10:37,982 Man, if I didn't open a door for a woman when I was young growing up, 193 00:10:38,085 --> 00:10:41,157 my mother wouldn't let me have dinner. Seriously. 194 00:10:41,261 --> 00:10:42,676 I had to sit in the car. 195 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:47,474 So after high school, I kind of stopped playing. 196 00:10:47,923 --> 00:10:51,789 I felt like I wasn't making any contribution to anything. 197 00:10:51,892 --> 00:10:53,722 You know, it was kind of pointless, 198 00:10:53,825 --> 00:10:56,656 and I wasn't gonna be a rock star, so why bother? 199 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,728 So when Gibby invited me to come play with him, 200 00:10:59,831 --> 00:11:01,730 I was reluctant. 201 00:11:03,697 --> 00:11:05,009 You ready? 202 00:11:05,768 --> 00:11:06,976 [guitar riff] 203 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,427 [Haynes] Oh, man, Paul was so cool. 204 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:12,292 I could express myself 205 00:11:12,395 --> 00:11:16,917 with a guy that could play the shit out of a guitar. 206 00:11:17,021 --> 00:11:19,333 How the fuck did that happen? 207 00:11:19,437 --> 00:11:25,132 [♪ punk rock music] 208 00:11:25,236 --> 00:11:27,445 [Leary] And then after putting it down for four years, 209 00:11:27,548 --> 00:11:30,517 it kind of allowed me to be fresh when I picked it up again. 210 00:11:30,620 --> 00:11:33,002 You know, I wasn't thinking about what I'd been doing 211 00:11:33,106 --> 00:11:35,315 for the previous 12 years or whatever. 212 00:11:35,418 --> 00:11:37,973 And then I got a hold of a single by the Meat Puppets 213 00:11:38,076 --> 00:11:40,561 that had a song called "Out In the Gardener," 214 00:11:40,665 --> 00:11:42,978 and it just sounded like a train wreck. 215 00:11:43,081 --> 00:11:47,016 I was like, "That's what I wanna do." 216 00:11:47,672 --> 00:11:51,331 That was, like, March, April, May of '81, 217 00:11:51,434 --> 00:11:54,161 and we were playing shows around San Antonio. 218 00:11:56,474 --> 00:11:58,303 [Leary] It was more of an art performance 219 00:11:58,407 --> 00:12:00,650 than a musical performance. 220 00:12:01,168 --> 00:12:04,171 [Stevens] But then we graduated college, and Gibby got his job. 221 00:12:04,275 --> 00:12:07,036 Are you talking about when I was an accountant? 222 00:12:07,554 --> 00:12:09,038 [laughing] 223 00:12:09,142 --> 00:12:11,523 Gibby graduated Accounting Student of the Year. 224 00:12:11,627 --> 00:12:14,354 Which is how he landed his job at Peat Marwick & Mitchell, 225 00:12:14,457 --> 00:12:16,908 which was at the time the biggest accounting firm in the world. 226 00:12:17,012 --> 00:12:21,154 All I knew was I would get, like, 28 grand out of college. 227 00:12:21,257 --> 00:12:22,500 Bam! 228 00:12:22,603 --> 00:12:24,157 [Stevens] He'd come to rehearsal, 229 00:12:24,260 --> 00:12:26,504 and he'd have this kind of accounting suit on. 230 00:12:26,607 --> 00:12:29,231 And then he would start stripping down to his boxer shorts, 231 00:12:29,334 --> 00:12:31,992 and then, "The real Gibby is here," you know what I mean? 232 00:12:32,096 --> 00:12:34,615 Instead of having to play this role. 233 00:12:34,719 --> 00:12:37,687 ♪ Oh, my God 234 00:12:37,791 --> 00:12:40,380 I didn't get hired out of college. I didn't get a job. 235 00:12:40,483 --> 00:12:44,073 So I was in graduate school at the time at Trinity 236 00:12:44,177 --> 00:12:46,351 just to get a student loan to buy band equipment. 237 00:12:46,455 --> 00:12:48,388 [Stevens] I wasn't finding work either, 238 00:12:48,491 --> 00:12:51,115 and I thought if I moved to Dallas, I can get a job. 239 00:12:51,218 --> 00:12:52,530 So I was done. 240 00:12:53,565 --> 00:12:57,017 And then Andrew Mullin came along and started playing with them. 241 00:12:58,812 --> 00:13:01,090 But then he flipped out on a bunch of acid, 242 00:13:01,194 --> 00:13:02,609 took all the band's money. 243 00:13:02,712 --> 00:13:04,197 I, um... 244 00:13:05,405 --> 00:13:07,476 made a lot of, um... 245 00:13:08,132 --> 00:13:09,202 [beep] 246 00:13:09,305 --> 00:13:11,825 ...sort of, uh, difficult choices. 247 00:13:11,929 --> 00:13:14,828 - And just disappeared. - Oh, that's it. Out of here. 248 00:13:14,932 --> 00:13:18,763 So they still had gigs booked, and they're like, "Screw it, we'll do it as a three-piece." 249 00:13:18,867 --> 00:13:22,491 I was living with my brother, and I was standing there watching, and it was like, 250 00:13:22,594 --> 00:13:25,666 "Man, they're horrible as a three-piece. I'm gonna be their next bass player." 251 00:13:25,770 --> 00:13:30,499 So I sat and taught myself how to play bass guitar with a cassette player. 252 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,881 I was like, "I'm your new bass player." Paul and Gibby were like... 253 00:13:32,984 --> 00:13:34,503 - Yeah, yeah, sure. - Sure. 254 00:13:34,606 --> 00:13:37,161 [Matthews] And all of a sudden, I was in the band. 255 00:13:39,888 --> 00:13:42,545 [director] And what were you calling yourself at this point? 256 00:13:42,649 --> 00:13:44,306 Um... 257 00:13:46,032 --> 00:13:47,723 [Leary] When we first started playing shows, 258 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:50,415 we changed our name at every show. 259 00:13:50,519 --> 00:13:53,246 Just the stupidest, dumbest names we could come up with. 260 00:13:53,349 --> 00:13:55,869 We became the Ashtray Baby Heads. 261 00:13:55,973 --> 00:13:58,147 9ft Worm Makes Own Food. 262 00:13:58,251 --> 00:14:00,874 - Ed Asner Is Gay. - Abe Lincoln's Bush. 263 00:14:00,978 --> 00:14:03,670 The Right to Eat Fred Astaire's Asshole-- 264 00:14:03,773 --> 00:14:07,812 The Inalienable Right to Eat Fred Astaire's Asshole. 265 00:14:07,916 --> 00:14:11,229 My favorite was Playtex Butt Agamemnons. 266 00:14:11,333 --> 00:14:13,956 [laughing] 267 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:17,511 And then there was The Dick Clark Five. 268 00:14:18,754 --> 00:14:20,100 We had a T-shirt. 269 00:14:20,204 --> 00:14:21,446 We probably had more names 270 00:14:21,550 --> 00:14:24,449 then there were bands in San Antonio. 271 00:14:24,553 --> 00:14:27,038 And then we played a show up in Austin at Duke's, 272 00:14:27,142 --> 00:14:29,282 where we got to open up for The Big Boys, 273 00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:31,767 and Chris Gates introduced us. 274 00:14:31,871 --> 00:14:33,873 You know, and he said, "This is..." 275 00:14:34,597 --> 00:14:36,599 He couldn't remember what our band name was for that night, 276 00:14:36,703 --> 00:14:38,567 but he knew we had a song called "Butthole Surfers," 277 00:14:38,670 --> 00:14:41,432 - so he called us the Butthole Surfers. - [applause] 278 00:14:41,535 --> 00:14:43,848 So I'm like, "Man, it's Butthole Surfers." 279 00:14:43,952 --> 00:14:45,332 Ha-ha, that's a funny joke. 280 00:14:45,436 --> 00:14:47,334 We were looking around like, "Who? Oh, us? Okay." 281 00:14:47,438 --> 00:14:49,923 And then we got, like, 50 bucks at the end of the show, 282 00:14:50,027 --> 00:14:52,650 and so it was like, "We got our name." 283 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:54,686 Sorry, guys. 284 00:14:55,342 --> 00:14:57,724 ♪ I'm talking to my mom Now I'm talking to my dad ♪ 285 00:14:57,827 --> 00:14:59,381 ♪ Now I listen To the stereo ♪ 286 00:14:59,484 --> 00:15:01,624 ♪ I'm walking down the hall 287 00:15:01,728 --> 00:15:05,111 [Gates] Butthole showed up. They were that combination that made sense to me. 288 00:15:05,214 --> 00:15:08,252 Creatively, musically, it was very weird and experimental. 289 00:15:08,355 --> 00:15:10,564 ♪ At the punk rock show 290 00:15:10,668 --> 00:15:12,808 But they weren't arty people. 291 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:15,776 They were right down there, dirty, rolling on the floor, whatever. 292 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:16,881 They were my kind of guys. 293 00:15:16,985 --> 00:15:18,641 And word spread quick. 294 00:15:18,745 --> 00:15:20,264 I was over at a friend's house, 295 00:15:20,367 --> 00:15:22,473 so I'm really excited to see The Dicks and The Big Boys. 296 00:15:22,576 --> 00:15:25,269 And they said, "Well, what about the Butthole Surfers?" And I said, "Who?" 297 00:15:25,372 --> 00:15:28,789 And they smiled and said, "Butthole Surfers. You'll see." 298 00:15:28,893 --> 00:15:31,585 [♪ rock music] 299 00:15:31,689 --> 00:15:35,003 The first thing I really remember is kind of a maelstrom of sound. 300 00:15:35,106 --> 00:15:37,074 Just that chaotic energy. 301 00:15:37,177 --> 00:15:40,629 It wasn't just riff rock, and it wasn't punk rock. 302 00:15:40,732 --> 00:15:42,251 It was freak rock. 303 00:15:44,391 --> 00:15:48,671 I was jaw agape that night, and was an instant fan. 304 00:15:48,775 --> 00:15:50,294 Suck my dick! 305 00:15:52,917 --> 00:15:55,161 [Leary] The band really started taking off around Austin, 306 00:15:55,264 --> 00:15:58,026 and it was kind of fun watching the momentum build, 307 00:15:58,129 --> 00:16:01,719 but it started to dawn on me that I'm not gonna be a normal person. 308 00:16:01,822 --> 00:16:05,757 ♪ Suck my dick, little sir Suck my dick ♪ 309 00:16:05,861 --> 00:16:07,207 ♪ Fuck you, little sir 310 00:16:07,311 --> 00:16:11,280 So I failed to get through a master's degree, 311 00:16:11,384 --> 00:16:15,008 and I gave up on being a stockbroker. [chuckling] 312 00:16:17,217 --> 00:16:19,495 As for Gibby, his days were numbered. 313 00:16:19,599 --> 00:16:21,118 I quit my job at Peat Marwick & Mitchell 314 00:16:21,221 --> 00:16:23,396 'cause it was miserable being an auditor. 315 00:16:23,499 --> 00:16:27,193 [Leary] Gibby was gung-ho to go to California and make it as a band, 316 00:16:27,296 --> 00:16:29,919 and so, shoot, I was ready to go there too. 317 00:16:30,023 --> 00:16:34,165 [♪ rock music] 318 00:16:34,269 --> 00:16:38,928 We first went to California in 1982. 319 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,447 We drove out to Los Angeles, 320 00:16:40,551 --> 00:16:43,416 and we had one show opening up with Minutemen. 321 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:46,039 [♪ rock music] 322 00:16:46,143 --> 00:16:48,869 Before we went out there, I was telling my mom 323 00:16:48,973 --> 00:16:51,424 how the Minutemen wrote 17 songs a day, 324 00:16:51,527 --> 00:16:55,842 and she said, "That's because they can't stand any of 'em." [laughs] 325 00:16:55,945 --> 00:17:00,019 [laughing] Good point. 326 00:17:00,950 --> 00:17:02,435 [Mike Watt] The gig was on Melrose 327 00:17:02,538 --> 00:17:05,093 in a Mexican chop pad called Grandia Room. 328 00:17:05,196 --> 00:17:07,026 ♪ I, Calypso 329 00:17:07,129 --> 00:17:09,131 The idea was to blow minds. 330 00:17:10,615 --> 00:17:13,204 And, man, the Buttholes, they fucking brought it. 331 00:17:17,139 --> 00:17:18,796 It was the greatest fuckin' gig. 332 00:17:18,899 --> 00:17:22,282 I was like, "Whoa, kindred spirit. 333 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:24,974 Wow, kindred soul. Whoa!" 334 00:17:25,078 --> 00:17:26,907 [audience cheering] 335 00:17:27,011 --> 00:17:30,842 [Matthews] So we played our set to what I thought was very well-received, 336 00:17:30,946 --> 00:17:34,467 but it was LA, and hardcore was just starting to really take off. 337 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:36,641 ♪ Rise above We're gonna rise above ♪ 338 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:39,092 ♪ Think they're smart Can't think for themselves ♪ 339 00:17:39,196 --> 00:17:41,301 ♪ Rise above We're gonna rise above ♪ 340 00:17:41,405 --> 00:17:43,200 And we weren't hardcore at all. 341 00:17:43,303 --> 00:17:45,926 I think Texas definitely had an effect on them. 342 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:50,207 [director] How much does Texas matter to the Butthole Surfers? 343 00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:52,657 Come and get your ice cream. 344 00:17:52,761 --> 00:17:56,489 [Haynes] Man, Texas is everything to our band, 345 00:17:56,592 --> 00:18:00,769 to the attitude, to the history. 346 00:18:00,872 --> 00:18:04,945 [Lee Ranaldo] It invoked everything you knew about Texas, you know? 347 00:18:05,049 --> 00:18:09,605 That guns were rampant, and it was the state that wanted to secede from the Union, 348 00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:11,124 and Texas Chainsaw. 349 00:18:11,228 --> 00:18:13,575 [screaming] 350 00:18:13,678 --> 00:18:15,094 [chainsaw whirring] 351 00:18:15,197 --> 00:18:17,855 [screaming] 352 00:18:19,926 --> 00:18:22,342 [screaming] 353 00:18:22,446 --> 00:18:25,759 [♪ dissonant music] 354 00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:31,800 Anyway, so we decided we'd take our last money 355 00:18:31,903 --> 00:18:35,493 and buy gas to drive up to San Francisco, where there was free food. 356 00:18:35,597 --> 00:18:38,358 They had soup kitchens where you could eat six days a week. 357 00:18:40,015 --> 00:18:44,157 And so we drove up there, and our van starts to break down. 358 00:18:44,951 --> 00:18:51,302 And it just came rolling to a stop in front of this place called Tool and Die. 359 00:18:51,889 --> 00:18:54,892 We look over and we see a bunch of punk rockers loading drum kits and amps 360 00:18:54,995 --> 00:18:57,550 - into the Tool and Die, so we're like... - [Haynes] "This is good." 361 00:18:57,653 --> 00:19:00,415 And we started unloading our stuff and going into the Tool and Die, 362 00:19:00,518 --> 00:19:02,382 and this woman comes out and goes, "Who are you guys?" 363 00:19:02,486 --> 00:19:04,039 We're like, "We're the Butthole Surfers," 364 00:19:04,143 --> 00:19:05,489 and she goes, "You're not playing here." 365 00:19:05,592 --> 00:19:09,803 When I want people to do shit, they do it. 366 00:19:09,907 --> 00:19:12,496 She broke down and let us play three songs. 367 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:15,050 So here's the Buttholes playing that show. 368 00:19:15,154 --> 00:19:16,534 The place was freaky, it was scary. 369 00:19:16,638 --> 00:19:18,778 By all accounts a death trap, a fire trap. 370 00:19:18,881 --> 00:19:21,436 And everybody was like, "Oh, Dead Kennedys are gonna show up." 371 00:19:24,128 --> 00:19:27,235 [Leary] They ended up being a surprise act on the bill, 372 00:19:27,338 --> 00:19:29,996 and they saw us play and Jello liked that, 373 00:19:30,099 --> 00:19:33,137 so we ended up hanging out and going over to his house, met his wife. 374 00:19:33,241 --> 00:19:35,346 You guys are really good. 375 00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:37,521 [Leary] And then Jello said that we should put out 376 00:19:37,624 --> 00:19:39,488 a record on his Alternative Tentacles label. 377 00:19:39,592 --> 00:19:42,250 I'd like to sign you to my record label. 378 00:19:42,353 --> 00:19:43,285 [Leary] That was it. 379 00:19:43,389 --> 00:19:44,700 Got a record deal out of, 380 00:19:44,804 --> 00:19:46,840 you know, our engine breaking down. 381 00:19:46,944 --> 00:19:48,256 Thanks a lot! 382 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,672 And we were like, "We made it." 383 00:19:50,775 --> 00:19:53,847 All I wanted was to get into the studio and record. 384 00:19:54,434 --> 00:19:57,403 So I was excited to get back to Texas and get started. 385 00:19:57,506 --> 00:20:00,992 But things just started kind of falling apart... 386 00:20:01,096 --> 00:20:02,270 at that point. 387 00:20:02,373 --> 00:20:03,995 [tires screeching] 388 00:20:04,099 --> 00:20:06,066 [crashing] 389 00:20:06,619 --> 00:20:09,346 I don't think my brother and Paul were getting along very well. 390 00:20:09,449 --> 00:20:12,556 It got to the point where it's like, "All right, that's it, we're breaking up," 391 00:20:12,659 --> 00:20:15,352 and then Gibby and Paul disappeared with all the money. 392 00:20:15,455 --> 00:20:18,286 And it was kind of like, "Hey, what is this?" 393 00:20:18,389 --> 00:20:20,564 Really? You want 35 bucks? 394 00:20:20,667 --> 00:20:22,876 That's just not part of the deal. 395 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:25,672 [Matthews] And that's when I went with my brother and his girlfriend 396 00:20:25,776 --> 00:20:29,883 to go confront Gibby and Paul at Mr. Peppermint's house. 397 00:20:29,987 --> 00:20:31,506 [chuckles] 398 00:20:31,609 --> 00:20:35,682 Your son ripped us off! Give us the money, asshole! 399 00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:38,133 [Matthews] And then Gibby just came out swinging. 400 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:40,031 Him and my brother got into it real good. 401 00:20:40,135 --> 00:20:41,999 Well, fuck you, fucker! 402 00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:44,588 Uh-huh. 403 00:20:44,691 --> 00:20:48,177 I think I might've swung and maybe grazed him. 404 00:20:48,281 --> 00:20:51,698 [grunting] 405 00:20:51,802 --> 00:20:54,322 Mr. Peppermint is, "Stop, stop, stop!" 406 00:20:57,394 --> 00:20:59,603 But it-- it was no big deal. 407 00:20:59,706 --> 00:21:02,157 Gibby's mother just gave us a bunch of money and said, 408 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:04,470 "Here, just go away. Just go away." 409 00:21:05,194 --> 00:21:08,336 So now we didn't have a bass or a drummer, but we had a record deal. 410 00:21:08,439 --> 00:21:10,338 ♪ Whoo! 411 00:21:10,441 --> 00:21:12,823 So we booked some time at BOSS Studio in San Antonio, 412 00:21:12,926 --> 00:21:17,483 and we got a guy from Austin, Bill Jolly, on bass. 413 00:21:17,586 --> 00:21:20,002 But we couldn't get a drummer to save our lives. 414 00:21:20,106 --> 00:21:24,006 They had a really fine drummer who would do all kinds of fancy rolls and stuff. 415 00:21:24,110 --> 00:21:28,045 And at one point, somebody took a beer and threw it at Gibby... 416 00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:29,874 - [thud] - Okay. 417 00:21:29,978 --> 00:21:32,187 ...which hit the drummer, and he said, 418 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:35,224 "I quit. I didn't come here to get bottles thrown at me." 419 00:21:35,328 --> 00:21:38,262 Yeah, they did throw things. 420 00:21:39,125 --> 00:21:41,507 Whereas me, it's like, "Yeah, throw a beer bottle at me. 421 00:21:41,610 --> 00:21:43,371 Sure. Bring it, man." 422 00:21:47,685 --> 00:21:49,756 I was born with two brown front teeth 423 00:21:49,860 --> 00:21:53,415 because the mineral level is so high in West Texas. 424 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:54,830 It's a matter of pride. 425 00:21:54,934 --> 00:21:56,660 It means that you're from the soil. 426 00:21:56,763 --> 00:22:00,595 I remember King Coffey being quiet, but really personable. 427 00:22:00,698 --> 00:22:04,461 - Just kind. - Torpedo! Yes, good boy. 428 00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:08,741 [Hawkes] At the time, he was in a band called The Hugh Beaumont Experience. 429 00:22:08,844 --> 00:22:11,847 [Coffey] I first saw the Butthole Surfers in '83. 430 00:22:11,951 --> 00:22:17,577 ♪ Oh, oh, ohh 431 00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:21,478 They became my favorite Texas band right then and there. 432 00:22:21,581 --> 00:22:24,066 It was about music, but it was also just about 433 00:22:24,170 --> 00:22:26,552 letting your freak flag fly. 434 00:22:26,655 --> 00:22:28,864 That was a dream come true. 435 00:22:28,968 --> 00:22:30,901 I graduated from high school early, 436 00:22:31,004 --> 00:22:32,765 because, one, I hated high school. 437 00:22:32,868 --> 00:22:34,905 I couldn't wait to get the F out of there 438 00:22:35,008 --> 00:22:37,425 and go to Austin, where the punk rock scene was. 439 00:22:37,528 --> 00:22:42,050 But part of that is that I didn't wanna deal with the whole pressure of the prom 440 00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:44,052 and finding a girl at the prom. 441 00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:45,916 So I found a way to opt out. 442 00:22:46,019 --> 00:22:48,677 - [narrator] A nightmare. - [screaming] 443 00:22:48,781 --> 00:22:50,990 Most of my friends were 444 00:22:51,093 --> 00:22:54,407 so turned on by the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. 445 00:22:54,511 --> 00:22:56,685 I was really turned on by the Dallas Cowboys. 446 00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:59,757 [commentator] ...at both sides, and back tightens up. 447 00:22:59,861 --> 00:23:03,451 For somebody my age in Texas back then, 448 00:23:03,554 --> 00:23:06,868 it was like you had this horrible, horrible dark secret 449 00:23:06,971 --> 00:23:09,905 that you can't tell anyone about, 450 00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:12,632 because fags get their asses kicked, 451 00:23:12,736 --> 00:23:15,497 and your life sucks. 452 00:23:15,601 --> 00:23:18,051 So to be in a punk rock band? 453 00:23:18,155 --> 00:23:19,708 Yes! Hell yes. 454 00:23:19,812 --> 00:23:21,745 [Leary] We were still in the studio, 455 00:23:21,848 --> 00:23:23,712 and King came along towards the end of the record 456 00:23:23,816 --> 00:23:25,576 and recorded on two or three songs. 457 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,372 But at that time, I only played on two drums. 458 00:23:28,476 --> 00:23:30,409 We could tell we needed a bit more. 459 00:23:30,512 --> 00:23:32,169 We were like, "Let's get two of 'em." 460 00:23:32,272 --> 00:23:33,826 Sure. 461 00:23:33,929 --> 00:23:36,415 [Coffey] So we knew Teresa, and Teresa kicked ass. 462 00:23:36,518 --> 00:23:37,761 [director] How you feeling? You ready? 463 00:23:37,864 --> 00:23:40,488 - No. - [director] All right. 464 00:23:40,591 --> 00:23:42,490 Drink a little coffee. 465 00:23:44,284 --> 00:23:45,769 Take a hit of weed. 466 00:23:49,807 --> 00:23:52,016 She was one of the music scenesters. 467 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,467 I was a punk and I wanted to be in a punk band. 468 00:23:54,571 --> 00:23:57,988 And I think she might have been playing in John Hawkes' band. 469 00:23:58,091 --> 00:23:59,921 - [director] Oh, Meat Joy. - [Leary] Yeah. 470 00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:02,682 We played a show at the flophouse where I lived, 471 00:24:02,786 --> 00:24:05,754 and I remember Gibby and Paul in the audience. 472 00:24:05,858 --> 00:24:09,448 As the set finished, Paul shouted something like, 473 00:24:09,551 --> 00:24:11,519 "What a fucking great drummer." 474 00:24:11,622 --> 00:24:15,971 I had never thought before that I could ever do anything with the drums, 475 00:24:16,075 --> 00:24:18,526 because girls aren't in rock bands. 476 00:24:18,629 --> 00:24:20,286 And then when I saw Debbie Harry 477 00:24:20,389 --> 00:24:22,978 and I saw pictures of them touring, 478 00:24:23,082 --> 00:24:24,739 going to other countries, 479 00:24:24,842 --> 00:24:28,708 and I was like, "That would be so cool." 480 00:24:28,812 --> 00:24:32,367 So one day, Gibby came to me and he said, 481 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:34,611 "Do you wanna join the Butthole Surfers 482 00:24:34,714 --> 00:24:38,649 and play drums side-by-side with King?" 483 00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:42,722 And I was like, "Gibby, in my lifetime, 484 00:24:42,826 --> 00:24:45,484 can you get me to Paris?" 485 00:24:45,587 --> 00:24:47,486 And he said, "I think I can." 486 00:24:47,589 --> 00:24:50,592 So I called my mom and I said, 487 00:24:50,696 --> 00:24:54,182 "Mom, my ship's come in." 488 00:24:54,631 --> 00:24:58,600 And she said, "Well, you're on probation for that little bit of pot, 489 00:24:58,704 --> 00:25:00,913 and you still have four months to go." 490 00:25:01,016 --> 00:25:03,432 And I was like, "Fuck that shit." 491 00:25:03,536 --> 00:25:06,815 So I called my probation officer and I said... 492 00:25:06,919 --> 00:25:10,198 Ma'am, I've joined a rock band. I will not be back. 493 00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:13,270 - [Nervosa] And she was like... - Oh, hell, I'm so tired of dealing with you, 494 00:25:13,373 --> 00:25:15,168 I'll just close your case out." 495 00:25:16,825 --> 00:25:19,483 [Coffey] I never locked in with another musician 496 00:25:19,587 --> 00:25:21,243 like I did with Teresa. 497 00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:25,040 We just felt a connection, 498 00:25:25,144 --> 00:25:27,249 just a heart and soul between us two. 499 00:25:27,353 --> 00:25:30,218 Like, yeah, okay. This is it. 500 00:25:34,015 --> 00:25:37,915 Two drummers standing up, and the way that they sort of looked alike. 501 00:25:38,019 --> 00:25:40,021 It's like she's my long-lost sister. 502 00:25:40,124 --> 00:25:43,300 [Flea] All the rhythms that King and Teresa were making together, 503 00:25:43,403 --> 00:25:44,957 they had incredible groove. 504 00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:46,683 Just in rhythm with each other. 505 00:25:46,786 --> 00:25:49,409 Sort of marching band meets tribal. 506 00:25:49,513 --> 00:25:52,620 It's almost always gonna create a flam. 507 00:25:52,723 --> 00:25:55,105 That's two beats that are sort of stuttered closely. 508 00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:57,383 - It's gonna go, "boom." - [drums flam] 509 00:25:57,486 --> 00:25:58,729 It's never perfect. 510 00:25:58,833 --> 00:26:00,662 I don't know, there's something about it 511 00:26:00,766 --> 00:26:02,077 that makes it sound like 512 00:26:02,181 --> 00:26:04,873 you're smacking the shit out of your drums. 513 00:26:04,977 --> 00:26:07,980 ["Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana] 514 00:26:08,083 --> 00:26:10,810 [♪ punk music] 515 00:26:10,914 --> 00:26:12,985 [Leary] The first time she played with us, after the show, 516 00:26:13,088 --> 00:26:14,814 I can remember giving her a hug 517 00:26:14,918 --> 00:26:16,505 and begging her to stick around. 518 00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:20,061 [Nervosa] Paul picked me up, and the crowd was cheering. 519 00:26:20,164 --> 00:26:23,029 [announcer] Let's give it up for Butthole Surfers! 520 00:26:23,133 --> 00:26:24,755 [crowd cheering] 521 00:26:24,859 --> 00:26:28,759 And I was like, "This is it, man. This is fucking it." 522 00:26:28,863 --> 00:26:33,384 I was playing with the best band in the world, 523 00:26:33,488 --> 00:26:35,732 but not everybody knew it yet. 524 00:26:35,835 --> 00:26:37,699 ["Something" by Butthole Surfers] 525 00:26:37,803 --> 00:26:41,323 [Mackaye] In '83, we got the first EP. 526 00:26:41,427 --> 00:26:43,740 That is a great fuckin' record. 527 00:26:47,053 --> 00:26:49,538 [Grohl] The first phone call that I had with Kurt, 528 00:26:49,642 --> 00:26:52,990 I was happy to find that the first EP was one of his favorite records. 529 00:26:53,094 --> 00:26:55,268 There's the melodies and the lyrics, 530 00:26:55,372 --> 00:26:59,341 but there's that chaos and dissonance and noise as well. 531 00:26:59,445 --> 00:27:04,381 I mean, it honestly sounds like the weirdest fucking thing of all time. 532 00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:12,354 [Coffey] It was time for us to hit the road, 533 00:27:12,458 --> 00:27:14,563 and we had a record out to justify going on the road. 534 00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:20,639 But it took us a while to find a bass player, because Bill Jolly, well... 535 00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:25,747 Bill had vanished, been abducted by aliens or something. 536 00:27:26,127 --> 00:27:30,027 But I'd known Gibby since the mid-seventies from Trinity, 537 00:27:30,131 --> 00:27:33,030 and they had a bass and a rig and nobody was playing it. 538 00:27:34,687 --> 00:27:36,275 Terrence had a Chevy Nova, 539 00:27:36,378 --> 00:27:40,555 and this guy named Buzz, who had done a stint in prison... 540 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,108 His name was Buzz Saw. 541 00:27:42,212 --> 00:27:45,491 Shit, I'll take that back seat out for you. 542 00:27:45,594 --> 00:27:47,942 [Smart] He ripped out the back seat... 543 00:27:48,563 --> 00:27:51,739 Beat out the tire wells so that he could put plywood in there. 544 00:27:51,842 --> 00:27:52,912 And then underneath the plywood 545 00:27:53,016 --> 00:27:54,293 is where we'd put luggage. 546 00:27:54,396 --> 00:27:56,882 And we'll pull a little U-Haul of equipment. 547 00:27:56,985 --> 00:27:58,090 It's a bench front seat. 548 00:27:58,193 --> 00:27:59,885 So three people would sit in the front 549 00:27:59,988 --> 00:28:01,645 and two would lay down in back with the dog. 550 00:28:01,749 --> 00:28:03,302 That was a great car, man. 551 00:28:03,405 --> 00:28:07,168 Little did I know it would launch us into stardom. 552 00:28:13,174 --> 00:28:15,107 [Coffey] All of us wanted to be on the road. 553 00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:17,143 It was almost a cult mentality. 554 00:28:17,247 --> 00:28:19,663 I felt like I was on a mission from God. 555 00:28:19,767 --> 00:28:21,389 [Coffey] We're in this together. 556 00:28:21,492 --> 00:28:24,288 [Nervosa] It was absolutely where I belonged. 557 00:28:24,392 --> 00:28:28,568 ♪ Oh, I don't know, And you can't say ♪ 558 00:28:28,672 --> 00:28:31,330 ♪ But even if you could 559 00:28:31,433 --> 00:28:33,919 ♪ You wouldn't anyway 560 00:28:34,022 --> 00:28:35,886 ♪ Let's go to hell 561 00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:38,509 [Coffey] We got to be a better band the more we played, you know. 562 00:28:38,613 --> 00:28:40,511 We finally got into a groove. 563 00:28:40,615 --> 00:28:42,375 We kind of had this cockiness 564 00:28:42,479 --> 00:28:45,689 of like, we could blow away all your motherfuckers on stage. 565 00:28:45,793 --> 00:28:48,140 It was great music, but then it was also 566 00:28:48,243 --> 00:28:51,074 this kind of avant-garde visual art project. 567 00:28:51,177 --> 00:28:53,801 ♪ There's a time to fuck And a time to crave ♪ 568 00:28:53,904 --> 00:28:57,011 ♪ But the Shah sleeps In Lee Harvey's grave ♪ 569 00:28:57,114 --> 00:28:59,013 From the beginning, the Buttholes used very 570 00:28:59,116 --> 00:29:01,774 low tech but very effective stagecraft. 571 00:29:01,878 --> 00:29:05,019 Gibby would put clothespins in his hair. 572 00:29:05,122 --> 00:29:09,817 Like strobes and like fake blood and dresses. 573 00:29:10,645 --> 00:29:12,164 Cockroaches. 574 00:29:13,234 --> 00:29:16,271 We had a roach problem at Butthole Manor. 575 00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:18,549 One night, Gibby and I both grabbed 576 00:29:18,653 --> 00:29:19,965 a can of Raid Stream 577 00:29:20,068 --> 00:29:22,312 and we were playing a game of 578 00:29:22,415 --> 00:29:24,797 whoever got to kill the roach first won. 579 00:29:24,901 --> 00:29:27,144 And we probably sat there for two, three hours 580 00:29:27,248 --> 00:29:30,320 because we were tripping on acid. 581 00:29:30,423 --> 00:29:33,702 There's one, there's one, there's one. 582 00:29:33,806 --> 00:29:35,670 The next day they're all dried out. 583 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:39,432 Gibby took them to work and xeroxed either side of it. 584 00:29:39,536 --> 00:29:43,505 Cut those up and we'd fill up grocery store bags of them. 585 00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:46,232 And they threw them everywhere like confetti. 586 00:29:46,336 --> 00:29:49,408 So when we got on stage, the stage was just 587 00:29:49,511 --> 00:29:52,860 covered with these things and it was just hilarious. 588 00:29:52,963 --> 00:29:55,621 They went and bought these big stuffed animals. 589 00:29:55,724 --> 00:30:00,419 Second-hand stores, they always have stuffed animals. 590 00:30:00,522 --> 00:30:02,524 And we were like, mm, okay, 591 00:30:02,628 --> 00:30:05,942 why would they want these stupid children's toys, right? 592 00:30:06,045 --> 00:30:08,116 Well, later at the show... 593 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:14,433 They pull this giant ten-foot-tall stuffed bear. 594 00:30:15,330 --> 00:30:18,817 This thing is like Son of Kong. 595 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,854 Whenever we could find one, it was so great. 596 00:30:21,958 --> 00:30:26,894 Gibby, he had to get up on the ladder to pull the head off 597 00:30:26,997 --> 00:30:31,036 and all of the stuffing starts flying out. 598 00:30:31,139 --> 00:30:32,900 And... 599 00:30:33,348 --> 00:30:36,006 The really amazing part was there were a couple 600 00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:39,941 of industrial fans on each side of the stage. 601 00:30:40,045 --> 00:30:42,185 They ripped these animals 602 00:30:42,288 --> 00:30:46,845 and the stuffing came down like surreal snow. 603 00:30:46,948 --> 00:30:49,088 The strobe lights. 604 00:30:49,192 --> 00:30:52,609 There was all of this stuff just floating in the air. 605 00:30:52,712 --> 00:30:57,062 And I looked over and the promoter was on the side of the stage 606 00:30:57,165 --> 00:30:59,961 and he was almost in tears. 607 00:31:00,997 --> 00:31:04,103 [Leary] We weren't really planning our careers or anything going, 608 00:31:04,207 --> 00:31:05,760 gosh, let's go out and sell a gold record 609 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:09,108 and have a radio hit and tour the world. 610 00:31:09,212 --> 00:31:10,869 So it was a hard life. 611 00:31:10,972 --> 00:31:12,940 There was no money. If they had lots of money, 612 00:31:13,043 --> 00:31:14,769 they probably would have shared it with us. 613 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:19,463 We had to sleep on the floors of any stranger's apartment. 614 00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,431 It was even below living hand to mouth. 615 00:31:21,534 --> 00:31:23,916 [Leary] We never had really enough money to-- 616 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:25,780 to eat well or any of that other stuff. 617 00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:28,093 So it really is sheer survival. 618 00:31:28,196 --> 00:31:30,129 And I need to find some Kentucky Fried Chicken, 619 00:31:30,233 --> 00:31:34,168 a Whataburger, a McDonald's. Right now. 620 00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:37,274 [Haynes] We would eat by going into a restaurant 621 00:31:37,378 --> 00:31:39,138 and order a pitcher of beer. 622 00:31:39,242 --> 00:31:41,278 And then when people left their table, 623 00:31:41,382 --> 00:31:44,316 we would grab their plates and eat what they didn't eat. 624 00:31:44,419 --> 00:31:49,148 We would also crash out in the parking lot of a motel. 625 00:31:49,252 --> 00:31:51,806 And when people left in the morning, 626 00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,050 we'd run into their deserted room 627 00:31:54,153 --> 00:31:56,707 and take a shower before the maid came. 628 00:31:56,811 --> 00:31:57,985 Nyuck, nyuck. 629 00:31:58,088 --> 00:31:59,918 So that was an adjustment for me, 630 00:32:00,021 --> 00:32:02,334 but we had so much fun playing. 631 00:32:03,231 --> 00:32:07,477 Wasn't sure at the time if Alternative Tentacles was the place for them. 632 00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:10,169 Butthole Surfers make a break for Touch and Go. 633 00:32:10,273 --> 00:32:13,586 It's a Midwest label started by Touch and Gomagazine. 634 00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:15,934 And then Corey Rusk took over the label. 635 00:32:16,037 --> 00:32:18,902 All the money that came in was used to pay off 636 00:32:19,006 --> 00:32:20,766 the recording expenses and then-- 637 00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:23,355 and any other expenses associated with the record. 638 00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:25,944 And then any profit was split 50/50. 639 00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:28,739 So being able to move into Touch and Go was a great thing. 640 00:32:28,843 --> 00:32:31,570 And it gave The Butthole Surfers a lot of support. 641 00:32:31,673 --> 00:32:34,676 I think started off a really fruitful relationship. 642 00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:40,337 ["Eye of the Chicken" playing] 643 00:32:40,441 --> 00:32:43,340 [Nervosa] Gobby wanted to name it Psychic... Powerless... 644 00:32:43,444 --> 00:32:47,275 And I think Paul wanted to name it Another Man's Sack. 645 00:32:47,379 --> 00:32:50,934 And then they had written it down, S-A-C-K. 646 00:32:51,038 --> 00:32:54,075 And I said, oh, no, no, no, no, no. 647 00:32:54,179 --> 00:32:57,837 Another Man's Sacis S-A-C. 648 00:32:57,941 --> 00:33:02,256 I felt like we were referring to another man's testicles, 649 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,122 not to another man's bag of groceries. 650 00:33:06,225 --> 00:33:08,710 And they were like, oh, whatever. 651 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:16,097 Another Man's Sac was one of the records that I was listening to every day. 652 00:33:16,201 --> 00:33:19,066 ♪ I went into the theater, I decide to whirl ♪ 653 00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:21,033 ♪ I'll take a man, I'll see him again ♪ 654 00:33:21,137 --> 00:33:23,863 ♪ Never seen-a said, "Buddy boy" ♪ 655 00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:27,729 Personally, that's my favorite album because it has the really weird shit on it. 656 00:33:27,833 --> 00:33:28,972 Like the really fucked up shit. 657 00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:30,767 They're just hinting at musical forms. 658 00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:33,942 There's not one song like the other song on that record. 659 00:33:34,046 --> 00:33:37,843 After you listen to something like... 660 00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:40,121 "Lady Sniff," you know, leading off. 661 00:33:40,225 --> 00:33:44,505 [imitating chords] 662 00:33:44,608 --> 00:33:45,678 [imitating spitting] 663 00:33:45,782 --> 00:33:47,197 "Lady Sniff." Yeah. 664 00:33:47,301 --> 00:33:49,820 "Lady Sniff." I fucking loved that song. 665 00:33:49,924 --> 00:33:51,339 [sound of spitting] 666 00:33:51,443 --> 00:33:53,100 ♪ Lady sniff My twisted Lincoln ♪ 667 00:33:53,203 --> 00:33:55,033 ♪ Lady walk alone 668 00:33:55,136 --> 00:33:58,139 ♪ Lately when I see you, baby ♪ 669 00:33:58,243 --> 00:34:00,314 ♪ Lord I gotta go 670 00:34:00,417 --> 00:34:02,523 [Leary] That one came from Trinity University. 671 00:34:02,626 --> 00:34:07,942 One day I was driving from my apartment to class and it just hit me. 672 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,634 Lady Sniff. Lady Sniff. Lady Sniff. 673 00:34:10,738 --> 00:34:13,120 So I turned around and went back to my apartment 674 00:34:13,223 --> 00:34:14,638 and got on the phone and called Gibby 675 00:34:14,742 --> 00:34:17,952 and go, Gibby, you gotta remember this. Lady Sniff. 676 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:20,230 He ended up coming up with lyrics. 677 00:34:20,334 --> 00:34:23,682 - [director] Do you remember that? - No. 678 00:34:23,785 --> 00:34:28,480 ["Lady Sniff" playing] 679 00:34:28,583 --> 00:34:30,896 ♪ Lady sniff My broken teabag ♪ 680 00:34:30,999 --> 00:34:33,174 ♪ Lady walk the road 681 00:34:33,278 --> 00:34:37,558 ♪ Lately when I see that teabag I can't take the load ♪ 682 00:34:37,661 --> 00:34:41,596 It's like the closest, like, a song can be to being like a cartoon. 683 00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:46,187 I mean, the barfing sound effect they chose is so perfect. 684 00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:48,983 [mimics farting sound] Just the most obnoxious fart. 685 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:51,986 You know, for people like us who have the shared sensibility 686 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,022 that like that kind of thing, it's just... 687 00:34:54,126 --> 00:34:55,783 resonates in the best way. 688 00:34:55,886 --> 00:34:57,819 [Jon mimics farting sound] 689 00:34:57,923 --> 00:35:02,928 The one song that, like, gutted me like a fish was "Cherub." 690 00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:08,485 There was something so dark and devious about that song. 691 00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:09,900 ♪ Cherub 692 00:35:10,004 --> 00:35:13,318 ["Cherub" playing] 693 00:35:14,871 --> 00:35:16,804 ♪ Cherub the angel 694 00:35:20,048 --> 00:35:23,742 ♪ Roll back The hands of time ♪ 695 00:35:29,989 --> 00:35:32,820 Besides the fact that it was an obvious dance hit. 696 00:35:38,343 --> 00:35:40,966 [Smart] 45 shows in six months, something like that. 697 00:35:41,069 --> 00:35:43,520 I think I was just burned out. I was definitely sick. 698 00:35:43,624 --> 00:35:46,834 I mean, like diarrhea and just worn out. 699 00:35:46,937 --> 00:35:49,561 Well, we woke up in the morning and Terence woke up 700 00:35:49,664 --> 00:35:53,185 and he was upset 'cause he didn't have any milk, 701 00:35:53,289 --> 00:35:54,635 but we couldn't afford milk. 702 00:35:54,738 --> 00:35:56,602 You know, we could afford beer, but not milk. 703 00:35:56,706 --> 00:35:59,743 And then started saying he just couldn't understand 704 00:35:59,847 --> 00:36:02,470 why we would do what we were doing. 705 00:36:02,574 --> 00:36:04,990 And he gathered his guitar and got in a cab and left. 706 00:36:05,093 --> 00:36:08,511 And then I went back to San Antonio, moved to Japan. The rest is history. 707 00:36:08,614 --> 00:36:12,170 [Leary] And Corey from Touch and Go knew this kid from Canada... 708 00:36:12,273 --> 00:36:14,413 Trevor? 709 00:36:14,517 --> 00:36:16,312 [Leary] Will he play bass for us? Yes. 710 00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:18,176 But he also brought a tuba with him. 711 00:36:18,279 --> 00:36:19,729 Actually, he didn't play a tuba. 712 00:36:19,832 --> 00:36:21,006 He played a sousaphone. 713 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:27,288 [rough guitar riffs] 714 00:36:30,015 --> 00:36:34,261 And then we get to Canada and we're at soundcheck and all of a sudden his old 715 00:36:34,364 --> 00:36:36,297 high school band teacher shows up. 716 00:36:36,401 --> 00:36:39,404 He's like, I want my sousaphone back. 717 00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,754 I think it was kind of downhill for Trevor after that. 718 00:36:50,346 --> 00:36:52,900 Anywho. So we... So we were desperately looking 719 00:36:53,003 --> 00:36:56,490 for a bass player again. 720 00:36:56,593 --> 00:36:58,906 And we knew that Kramer played bass. 721 00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,184 Just for the record, everybody calls me Kramer. 722 00:37:01,771 --> 00:37:04,843 [Leary] We'd gotten to know Kramer through his playing for Shockabilly. 723 00:37:04,946 --> 00:37:08,260 When Shockabilly would come to Austin, you know, we became friends. 724 00:37:08,364 --> 00:37:12,816 And they decided to go to Athens and move in with R.E.M. or do something like that. 725 00:37:13,438 --> 00:37:17,200 We were in Seattle. We'd all been drinking, acid was floating around, 726 00:37:17,304 --> 00:37:19,029 and I don't know whose idea it was. 727 00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,963 Like, let's go to Athens, Georgia. 728 00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:25,415 Let's meet R.E.M. 729 00:37:27,728 --> 00:37:30,696 So we went there to intentionally stalk R.E.M. 730 00:37:34,459 --> 00:37:36,737 We had an unhealthy obsession. 731 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:37,945 Who doesn't like R.E.M.? 732 00:37:38,048 --> 00:37:39,498 Michael Stipe showed up 733 00:37:39,602 --> 00:37:42,018 at some kind of festival the band was doing in Athens. 734 00:37:42,121 --> 00:37:44,365 And he invited a bunch of the bands after the show 735 00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:48,024 back to his estate for a party. 736 00:37:48,127 --> 00:37:52,235 But he conspicuously did not invite the Butthole Surfers. 737 00:37:52,339 --> 00:37:54,789 Gibby took an exception to this. 738 00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:57,999 So they followed some of the bands back to the estate. 739 00:38:00,416 --> 00:38:04,247 And as I recall, Gibby took a can of spray paint. 740 00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:07,906 And on the side of our van, he spray painted, 741 00:38:10,115 --> 00:38:12,428 Michael Stipe, despite the hype, 742 00:38:12,531 --> 00:38:14,947 we still want to suck your big, long pipe. 743 00:38:20,574 --> 00:38:23,611 No, we never wrote that anywhere. 744 00:38:23,715 --> 00:38:25,786 Maybe we talked about doing that. 745 00:38:26,856 --> 00:38:30,169 [chuckling] Oh, God. I don't know, man. 746 00:38:30,273 --> 00:38:33,794 We never obsessed over Michael Stipe's... 747 00:38:33,897 --> 00:38:36,141 penis at all, ever. 748 00:38:36,244 --> 00:38:37,867 It's one of those things, if you remember, 749 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,421 you weren't there, you know, so I'm not sure. 750 00:38:40,525 --> 00:38:43,044 Paul would know. Paul would remember. 751 00:38:44,598 --> 00:38:46,082 I don't remember. 752 00:38:46,185 --> 00:38:48,878 [Kramer] After I joined the band, I convinced Paul 753 00:38:48,981 --> 00:38:50,983 that if people saw the band in Europe, 754 00:38:51,087 --> 00:38:52,778 this would be explosive. 755 00:38:52,882 --> 00:38:55,229 So I got a couple of promoters in Europe interested. 756 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,335 And the promoter in the Netherlands 757 00:38:57,438 --> 00:39:00,096 got us booked into this massive festival. 758 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,856 [Coffey] It was an incredible lineup, 759 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,342 - including Alex Chilton... - Nick Cave... 760 00:39:04,445 --> 00:39:06,344 - Sonic Youth... - And the Butthole Surfers. 761 00:39:06,447 --> 00:39:08,587 And I was excited to be playing 762 00:39:08,691 --> 00:39:11,176 with all those bands. And, uh... 763 00:39:11,279 --> 00:39:13,661 [microphone feedback] 764 00:39:20,047 --> 00:39:24,362 [distorted sounds] 765 00:39:32,024 --> 00:39:35,718 Before the show, Gibby had a big bottle of whiskey... 766 00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:39,825 A couple tabs of acid, and he said... 767 00:39:41,344 --> 00:39:42,897 Showtime. 768 00:39:43,001 --> 00:39:48,075 [see-sawing guitar instrumental] 769 00:39:53,011 --> 00:39:57,498 [singing indistinctly] 770 00:39:57,602 --> 00:39:59,431 It reminded me of that old Bugs Bunny thing 771 00:39:59,535 --> 00:40:01,157 where Daffy Duck is trying to do the thing. 772 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,987 And he drinks all nitroglycerin, blows himself up. 773 00:40:04,091 --> 00:40:06,887 He just goes, it's a great show, but I can only do it once. 774 00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:10,891 But the Buttholes kept doing it and doing it and doing it. 775 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:18,001 After we got off stage, Gibby was covered in a fake blood, 776 00:40:18,105 --> 00:40:20,176 as he usually was after those performances. 777 00:40:20,279 --> 00:40:22,350 And we lost track of him. 778 00:40:23,351 --> 00:40:27,286 About a half hour later, a security guy came right up to me and said, 779 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:28,874 "We have a member of your band. 780 00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:31,083 He is running around and breaking glass bottles." 781 00:40:31,187 --> 00:40:33,776 [Leary] He was picking fights with the big, giant bouncers. 782 00:40:33,879 --> 00:40:36,986 And there was a scuffle and he almost went over this rail. 783 00:40:37,089 --> 00:40:39,333 And I looked over the rail and it was 50 feet down. 784 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:40,921 You know, it would have been bad. 785 00:40:41,024 --> 00:40:44,442 Did I say he was stark naked? He was also stark naked. 786 00:40:45,684 --> 00:40:49,032 I was so irresponsibly naked. 787 00:40:49,136 --> 00:40:52,829 You Dutch, with your angles 788 00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:56,971 and your doors and your ovens. 789 00:40:58,248 --> 00:40:59,560 Yeah. 790 00:40:59,664 --> 00:41:02,321 Then I rushed a Nick Cave show. 791 00:41:02,425 --> 00:41:05,463 - Gibby jumps up on stage. - [Gibby cackling] 792 00:41:05,566 --> 00:41:09,259 Then a security man tackles him to the ground. 793 00:41:09,363 --> 00:41:10,468 [Haynes] Whoa! 794 00:41:10,571 --> 00:41:12,849 Blixa Bargeld from the Bad Seeds 795 00:41:12,953 --> 00:41:15,783 with these pointy metal-tipped boots 796 00:41:15,887 --> 00:41:17,785 is kicking the shit out of Gibby. 797 00:41:17,889 --> 00:41:21,271 [laughing] 798 00:41:23,791 --> 00:41:26,345 And they quickly... 799 00:41:26,449 --> 00:41:27,899 scooted me away. 800 00:41:28,002 --> 00:41:29,625 I run back to the dressing room. 801 00:41:29,728 --> 00:41:31,592 Paul at this point has had it. 802 00:41:31,696 --> 00:41:33,629 Grabs a beer bottle, takes it out 803 00:41:33,732 --> 00:41:36,321 and smashes it on his Telecaster guitar. 804 00:41:36,424 --> 00:41:38,047 "I hate this fucking band." 805 00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,567 They were screaming at each other backstage... 806 00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:43,708 And he'd take another bottle and each time, "I quit." 807 00:41:43,811 --> 00:41:45,503 Fuck you. No, fuck you. 808 00:41:45,606 --> 00:41:48,057 I fucking quit this fucking band. 809 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,887 And Gibby, maybe three feet away with the glass 810 00:41:50,991 --> 00:41:53,821 shattering all over him, stark naked from head to toe, 811 00:41:53,925 --> 00:41:56,686 dripping in fake blood, smile on his face, 812 00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:59,724 very calmly, as though this was the point 813 00:41:59,827 --> 00:42:01,967 of his behavior for the evening, 814 00:42:02,071 --> 00:42:05,626 to see Paul smashing the shit out of his guitars and quitting the band. 815 00:42:06,247 --> 00:42:08,629 Yeah, uh... 816 00:42:11,874 --> 00:42:13,600 I don't know how we survived that night. 817 00:42:13,703 --> 00:42:18,812 Paul was very, very interested in seeing the band do really well, 818 00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:21,884 and Gibby was really committed 819 00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:25,612 to avoiding sobriety at all costs. 820 00:42:25,715 --> 00:42:27,683 I love you. 821 00:42:27,786 --> 00:42:31,031 [Leary] The next morning I picked up the paper and was like, open it up. 822 00:42:31,134 --> 00:42:34,103 And there's a big full page picture of Gibby wearing a dress 823 00:42:34,206 --> 00:42:36,312 with the whiskey bottle hoisted up. 824 00:42:36,415 --> 00:42:39,936 [Kramer] And although it left Paul on the verge of quitting the band, 825 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,767 Gibby's behavior is why we were offered 826 00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:45,735 the opportunity to come back to Europe as soon as possible. 827 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,944 So it was a huge hit. 828 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:02,821 [phone chiming] 829 00:43:02,925 --> 00:43:04,616 - [director] Hey, Trevor. - [Trevor] Yes? 830 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,170 [director] So can you just talk about your time? 831 00:43:07,274 --> 00:43:09,863 What you remember with the Butthole Surfers? 832 00:43:09,966 --> 00:43:11,623 You know, it was the best of times, 833 00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,867 it was the worst of times. 834 00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:15,869 You know, be careful what you wish for, I guess. 835 00:43:15,972 --> 00:43:17,940 I ran away and joined the circus. 836 00:43:18,043 --> 00:43:20,632 Turns out the circus had a couple of jerks in it, you know. 837 00:43:20,736 --> 00:43:24,222 The Butthole Surfers are sort of the Manson of punk rock. 838 00:43:24,325 --> 00:43:27,984 You're in this weird club now. These are the rules. 839 00:43:28,088 --> 00:43:29,986 There's this morphogenic field of, like, 840 00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,781 Gibby's the leader or some shit. 841 00:43:31,885 --> 00:43:33,783 I have no idea why everybody put up with it. 842 00:43:33,887 --> 00:43:36,406 And he was, like, purposefully intimidating. 843 00:43:36,510 --> 00:43:38,616 [speaking indistinctly] 844 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,861 And I realized that these people were not sympathetic people. 845 00:43:42,965 --> 00:43:45,553 So I just got the fuck out. I was like, this is stupid. 846 00:43:45,657 --> 00:43:48,833 I-- I didn't talk for a long time after I was with the Buttholes. 847 00:43:48,936 --> 00:43:50,904 I was so traumatized, I actually didn't talk. 848 00:43:52,353 --> 00:43:53,389 Yeah, it was weird. 849 00:43:53,492 --> 00:43:54,839 [phone chimes] 850 00:44:00,948 --> 00:44:04,227 After that European tour, I couldn't justify in my head 851 00:44:04,331 --> 00:44:08,611 23 hours a day of sheer hell and near-death experiences 852 00:44:08,715 --> 00:44:10,786 in exchange for one hour on stage 853 00:44:10,889 --> 00:44:14,686 that was like dying and going to heaven. 854 00:44:15,342 --> 00:44:17,033 I thought they were the best band in the world, 855 00:44:17,137 --> 00:44:18,483 and I thought I was playing bass 856 00:44:18,586 --> 00:44:19,726 in the best band in the world. 857 00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:21,279 But when it came time to leave, 858 00:44:21,382 --> 00:44:24,006 there just didn't seem to be any choice to me. 859 00:44:25,628 --> 00:44:27,526 But one of my greatest pieces of pride 860 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:30,460 as a Butthole Surfer was that had I not left the band, 861 00:44:30,564 --> 00:44:32,911 the world might not know JD Pinkus. 862 00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:34,775 When I joined, they informed me 863 00:44:34,879 --> 00:44:36,535 that we sleep on a lot of floors. 864 00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,917 I was like, like every night? They're like, pretty much. 865 00:44:39,021 --> 00:44:42,024 I was like, you're gonna guarantee me a floor every night? 866 00:44:42,127 --> 00:44:43,163 I was down. 867 00:44:43,266 --> 00:44:48,409 [screaming] 868 00:44:48,513 --> 00:44:52,344 I was a little runt kid running around Atlanta. 869 00:44:52,448 --> 00:44:55,382 I was 17 years old, and they needed somebody 870 00:44:55,485 --> 00:44:58,903 probably that didn't need money, could sleep on floors, 871 00:44:59,006 --> 00:45:01,008 didn't mind saying goodbye to his girlfriend. 872 00:45:01,112 --> 00:45:03,770 So I kind of fit the bill on that. I was pretty perfect. 873 00:45:03,873 --> 00:45:07,325 I got a phone call from Gibby at a payphone. 874 00:45:10,052 --> 00:45:12,192 - Hello? - Hey, is this Pinkus? 875 00:45:12,295 --> 00:45:14,642 - Yeah. - Why don't you come down tomorrow? 876 00:45:14,746 --> 00:45:17,715 [Pinkus] We set up a time, and then my two ex-girlfriends took me down there. 877 00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:21,132 I've literally never been more excited. 878 00:45:21,857 --> 00:45:26,931 And I played Blue Cheer and Black Sabbath songs with King and Paul. 879 00:45:27,034 --> 00:45:29,105 And then afterwards they said, 880 00:45:29,209 --> 00:45:31,211 you can stay in the band as long as you want. 881 00:45:31,314 --> 00:45:32,626 And I said, cool. 882 00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:35,525 And so that's kind of how it happened. 883 00:45:35,629 --> 00:45:37,044 Jeff was such a good bass player, 884 00:45:37,148 --> 00:45:39,150 and the way he locked up with King and Teresa 885 00:45:39,253 --> 00:45:43,188 in this real rubbery, deep, kind of bottomless pit of groove, 886 00:45:43,292 --> 00:45:45,915 they were very fucking good musicians. 887 00:45:46,019 --> 00:45:47,020 [indistinct singing] 888 00:45:47,123 --> 00:45:48,469 [director] So in '80s Atlanta, 889 00:45:48,573 --> 00:45:51,541 the punk and drag subcultures really collided. 890 00:45:51,645 --> 00:45:53,474 Can you talk about that? 891 00:45:53,578 --> 00:45:56,374 There were lots of drag clubs around town that you could go see shows. 892 00:45:56,477 --> 00:45:59,964 The Celebrity Club, that was opened and Larry Tee 893 00:46:00,067 --> 00:46:01,724 and Tom Zarrilli were managing that. 894 00:46:01,828 --> 00:46:03,864 We were a drag bar. 895 00:46:03,968 --> 00:46:06,108 We had drag queens on the bar. 896 00:46:10,077 --> 00:46:12,977 Celebrity Club was the shit. 897 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,532 It was where freaks of Atlanta would do their thing. 898 00:46:21,951 --> 00:46:25,817 You know, it was where RuPaul got his start. 899 00:46:25,921 --> 00:46:28,647 RuPaul did go-go dance for the Buttholes one night. 900 00:46:28,751 --> 00:46:34,722 The best shows there ever, by far the most memorable were the Butthole Surfers, 901 00:46:34,826 --> 00:46:36,655 which leads me to my favorite story. 902 00:46:36,759 --> 00:46:37,795 Lisette. 903 00:46:37,898 --> 00:46:40,590 [static noise] 904 00:46:40,694 --> 00:46:46,458 She was probably our sluttiest, most provocative drag. 905 00:46:46,562 --> 00:46:49,703 And she was hired to go-go dance for the Butthole Surfers. 906 00:46:50,152 --> 00:46:52,395 And she started fag baiting 907 00:46:52,499 --> 00:46:55,571 some of the punks at the end of the bar, like, you know, 908 00:46:55,674 --> 00:46:59,092 like saying, you want this, you know, kind of thing. 909 00:46:59,195 --> 00:47:02,267 And they really got upset and it was clear 910 00:47:02,371 --> 00:47:04,580 they were going to drag her off that bar 911 00:47:04,683 --> 00:47:06,271 and kill her right there on the spot. 912 00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:09,723 So she leapt off the bar and into the back to hide. 913 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:11,829 And so they come bursting through the door 914 00:47:11,932 --> 00:47:16,074 and there's Gibby in nothing but clothespins 915 00:47:16,178 --> 00:47:19,526 and sort of a see-through black veil 916 00:47:19,629 --> 00:47:21,873 with full-frontal nudity. 917 00:47:23,185 --> 00:47:25,083 And he was like... [groaning] 918 00:47:25,187 --> 00:47:28,915 And they were all like, oh, Gibby, sir. 919 00:47:29,018 --> 00:47:33,920 And he said, "This is my friend." 920 00:47:34,299 --> 00:47:36,992 And they was like, Gibby, sir, I won't-- [stammering] 921 00:47:37,095 --> 00:47:40,616 And they kind of all backed away and Lisette lived. 922 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,100 So that was the end of that. 923 00:47:42,204 --> 00:47:44,137 It's hard to forget a moment like that. 924 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,725 [director] Didn't you pick up Kathleen there? 925 00:47:46,829 --> 00:47:48,624 Wasn't she added to the band... 926 00:47:48,727 --> 00:47:51,178 She was part of that scene, yeah. Celebrity Club scene. Yeah. 927 00:47:51,282 --> 00:47:52,939 [director] Is there any good story there about, 928 00:47:53,042 --> 00:47:56,149 you know, how she came into the band on tour? 929 00:47:57,012 --> 00:48:01,533 [cackling] 930 00:48:01,637 --> 00:48:03,604 - [Tee] Kathleen... - Hello. 931 00:48:03,708 --> 00:48:06,607 ...had a weird nickname that I don't know if-- 932 00:48:06,711 --> 00:48:08,057 The shitting dyke. 933 00:48:08,161 --> 00:48:12,441 I did engage in some things that, uh... 934 00:48:13,097 --> 00:48:14,305 Okay, so anyway-- 935 00:48:14,408 --> 00:48:15,616 And she was absolutely brilliant. 936 00:48:17,825 --> 00:48:21,553 Kathleen is the most amazing person I've ever met. 937 00:48:21,657 --> 00:48:25,488 She's a... really amazing and talented artist. 938 00:48:28,526 --> 00:48:30,769 I loved making it ugly. 939 00:48:30,873 --> 00:48:32,737 I would wear a goatee a lot. 940 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,497 Like, I had extensions for here, 941 00:48:34,601 --> 00:48:36,810 which is probably a lot grosser for people. 942 00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:38,329 And pubic extensions. 943 00:48:38,432 --> 00:48:40,400 You'd do something to make yourself more ugly 944 00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:42,954 and it would evolve into something more beautiful. 945 00:48:43,058 --> 00:48:48,822 ♪ American woman, Listen what I say, hey ♪ 946 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:52,446 [Gregory] Kathleen would hide behind this little riser and pop up. 947 00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:55,242 [chuckles] And you'd see the kids in the front row going, 948 00:48:55,346 --> 00:48:58,487 "Wow, boobs," and then all of a sudden their faces would go, 949 00:48:58,590 --> 00:49:01,248 "Why does she have a beard? Wait a minute, 950 00:49:01,352 --> 00:49:04,458 is she wearing a bratwurst between her legs?" 951 00:49:04,562 --> 00:49:09,877 And you think punk rock is hectic. This is way more hectic. 952 00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:11,672 Like, this is upsetting. 953 00:49:11,776 --> 00:49:14,158 [Kathleen] It's something that you can't design to do. 954 00:49:14,261 --> 00:49:15,849 It's something that becomes 955 00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:19,370 and it's this energy and this effusion. 956 00:49:19,473 --> 00:49:20,923 - Performance art. - [interviewer] Performance art-- 957 00:49:21,027 --> 00:49:22,925 Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 958 00:49:23,029 --> 00:49:24,754 [man] A true artist... 959 00:49:24,858 --> 00:49:27,102 [Tee] And we loved her dearly 960 00:49:28,206 --> 00:49:30,105 because she was just up for anything. 961 00:49:30,208 --> 00:49:34,557 But I ended up falling in love with a woman who-- 962 00:49:34,661 --> 00:49:37,112 she and her boyfriend encouraged me to move 963 00:49:37,215 --> 00:49:39,390 to New York with them, and that's what I did. 964 00:49:39,493 --> 00:49:42,048 ♪ American woman, American woman ♪ 965 00:49:42,151 --> 00:49:45,948 And so Kathleen got this job at the Show Palace in Times Square... 966 00:49:46,052 --> 00:49:47,950 Some peep show sex place. 967 00:49:48,054 --> 00:49:49,434 And they put the quarter in 968 00:49:49,538 --> 00:49:51,609 and, you know, the curtain comes up. 969 00:49:58,202 --> 00:50:02,723 And this guy was, like, repeatedly putting the coins in or whatever. 970 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:08,488 And I guess I had... I had to go. 971 00:50:08,591 --> 00:50:11,318 - [Felicia] She was obsessed with enemas. - Shit art. 972 00:50:11,422 --> 00:50:14,804 And so I guess she wasn't keeping track of what was what. 973 00:50:14,908 --> 00:50:16,703 And she thought she had to fart. 974 00:50:16,806 --> 00:50:20,569 Curtains opens up, and she bends over and just sprays diarrhea. 975 00:50:23,089 --> 00:50:25,919 And she looked at the guy and said... 976 00:50:26,023 --> 00:50:27,162 Ta-dah! 977 00:50:27,265 --> 00:50:28,680 - Ta-dah! - Ta-dah! 978 00:50:28,784 --> 00:50:31,062 Ta-dah! And ran offstage. 979 00:50:31,856 --> 00:50:35,480 [Kathleen] And so the Butthole Surfers were going to tour, 980 00:50:35,584 --> 00:50:38,449 and they said, oh, yeah, when you come to New York, 981 00:50:38,552 --> 00:50:42,211 come up and play with us or something. 982 00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:45,042 - [director] Which venue? - This was the Danceteria show. 983 00:50:45,145 --> 00:50:49,598 [screaming] 984 00:50:49,701 --> 00:50:54,154 That was the beginning of us going from tiny little hole-in-the-wall clubs 985 00:50:54,258 --> 00:50:57,571 to playing a club with a sound system 986 00:50:57,675 --> 00:50:58,883 with a big floor 987 00:50:58,986 --> 00:51:00,264 in New York City. 988 00:51:00,367 --> 00:51:01,713 You were playing late at night. 989 00:51:01,817 --> 00:51:02,956 You were probably drunk. 990 00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,647 We were just going to go for it. 991 00:51:04,751 --> 00:51:07,236 There might have been some psychedelics involved. 992 00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:10,688 So the details kind of get scatter-shot. 993 00:51:11,965 --> 00:51:14,381 - [gunshot] - [sirens] 994 00:51:14,485 --> 00:51:17,039 When they would come to town, everybody would go 995 00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:19,317 because they knew it was going to be something. 996 00:51:19,421 --> 00:51:22,769 You just didn't know, like, what state of consciousness 997 00:51:22,872 --> 00:51:24,529 this man was going to be in. 998 00:51:27,394 --> 00:51:31,398 So I got there, and I remember Paul saying, just, you know, 999 00:51:31,502 --> 00:51:34,436 go or something just positive, like, do you. 1000 00:51:34,539 --> 00:51:38,129 And it just gave a lot of freedom. 1001 00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:44,860 [Moore] They came out in a complete and utter fury. 1002 00:51:44,963 --> 00:51:47,794 [raw guitar chords] 1003 00:51:47,897 --> 00:51:53,800 They just had every single light flashing on the stage. 1004 00:51:53,903 --> 00:51:59,219 Everything was happening. Kathleen dancing naked. 1005 00:51:59,323 --> 00:52:02,119 Paul was just, like, out of his mind. 1006 00:52:04,776 --> 00:52:07,952 Gibby was pretty much completely nude by, 1007 00:52:08,055 --> 00:52:09,954 like, 20 minutes into it. 1008 00:52:10,161 --> 00:52:15,339 [Haynes] I tore my dresses off and I forgot I didn't have any underwear on. 1009 00:52:15,442 --> 00:52:18,480 Taking King's cymbal stands and just pouring 1010 00:52:18,583 --> 00:52:21,621 lighter fluid over it and constantly torching it. 1011 00:52:21,724 --> 00:52:25,832 And so there's fire. There is everything, smoke... 1012 00:52:28,179 --> 00:52:30,112 I had friends who were there. 1013 00:52:30,216 --> 00:52:32,321 That one friend said... 1014 00:52:35,013 --> 00:52:37,706 She thought it was the end of Western civilization. 1015 00:52:42,883 --> 00:52:48,510 [Nervosa] I think Gibby had sex with Kathleen on stage. 1016 00:52:48,613 --> 00:52:51,651 And that was very intriguing. 1017 00:52:53,308 --> 00:52:55,551 Oh, yeah. Well... 1018 00:53:01,108 --> 00:53:03,076 We were recreating the bacchanal 1019 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:04,526 in its most basic form. 1020 00:53:04,629 --> 00:53:07,356 Because bacchanalia was about being a caveman dude 1021 00:53:07,460 --> 00:53:09,013 and going out in the woods 1022 00:53:09,116 --> 00:53:12,534 and eating fucking rabbits and fucking other people. 1023 00:53:12,637 --> 00:53:15,606 People coming up to me is like, can you believe this is happening? 1024 00:53:15,709 --> 00:53:17,642 Yelling in my ear like, this is insane. 1025 00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:20,058 This is nuts. 1026 00:53:20,162 --> 00:53:22,164 No, no, it was not. It was not. 1027 00:53:22,268 --> 00:53:24,235 There was no sex at all. 1028 00:53:24,339 --> 00:53:25,581 It was close. 1029 00:53:25,685 --> 00:53:26,962 Oh... 1030 00:53:28,826 --> 00:53:30,103 Who knows? 1031 00:53:30,207 --> 00:53:35,557 [screeching guitar] 1032 00:53:35,660 --> 00:53:37,214 To me, it was all performance art. 1033 00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:40,009 It was very, like, theatrical. 1034 00:53:40,113 --> 00:53:42,874 You know, it looked real, but I don't know if it was-- 1035 00:53:42,978 --> 00:53:44,428 it was probably simulated. 1036 00:53:44,531 --> 00:53:46,671 Gibby had his thumb in her ass. 1037 00:53:46,775 --> 00:53:49,433 Oh, well, Kramer-- Kramer would say that, wouldn't he? 1038 00:53:49,536 --> 00:53:55,646 [screeching guitar] 1039 00:53:56,267 --> 00:54:01,030 It was very much like this incredibly playful energy. 1040 00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:08,624 That was like gentle, quiet energy amidst this cacophony. 1041 00:54:11,489 --> 00:54:14,665 And it was really sort of healing. 1042 00:54:15,010 --> 00:54:16,563 It really was. 1043 00:54:16,667 --> 00:54:19,842 Because I had always been afraid of men. 1044 00:54:19,946 --> 00:54:23,467 And the culture had always taught me to be afraid of men. 1045 00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:26,228 But it was just so innocent. 1046 00:54:26,642 --> 00:54:29,852 Although it was just kind of crazy. 1047 00:54:29,956 --> 00:54:30,991 [feedback squeal] 1048 00:54:31,095 --> 00:54:36,411 [screaming] 1049 00:54:36,514 --> 00:54:38,723 [audience murmurs] 1050 00:54:39,483 --> 00:54:41,278 Rembrandt Pussyhorse. 1051 00:54:41,381 --> 00:54:43,210 I really love that record. 1052 00:54:43,314 --> 00:54:44,867 "Creep in the Cellar." 1053 00:54:44,971 --> 00:54:47,491 ♪ Well, there's a creep In the cellar ♪ 1054 00:54:47,594 --> 00:54:49,941 ♪ That I'm gonna let in 1055 00:54:50,045 --> 00:54:52,116 ♪ And he eats in the alley 1056 00:54:52,219 --> 00:54:54,532 ♪ And keeps track Of my sins ♪ 1057 00:54:54,636 --> 00:54:56,534 And I remember the album, when you open it up, 1058 00:54:56,638 --> 00:54:58,950 it's like a close-up of, like, 1059 00:54:59,054 --> 00:55:01,159 a female bodybuilder's pussy. 1060 00:55:01,263 --> 00:55:03,196 [laughing] 1061 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:05,094 ♪ Yeah 1062 00:55:05,198 --> 00:55:08,097 [rumbling] 1063 00:55:08,201 --> 00:55:10,065 [laughter in song] 1064 00:55:10,168 --> 00:55:11,963 [Leary] The touring never ended. 1065 00:55:12,067 --> 00:55:14,103 And we started playing shows where people 1066 00:55:14,207 --> 00:55:15,933 would come see us, and then we could actually drive 1067 00:55:16,036 --> 00:55:17,900 from town to town, and there would be a crowd 1068 00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:19,316 waiting for us everywhere. 1069 00:55:19,419 --> 00:55:21,110 To see it gradually pick up some steam, 1070 00:55:21,214 --> 00:55:23,112 people began to respond to it. 1071 00:55:23,216 --> 00:55:25,183 We realized that you're not just totally shouting into the wind. 1072 00:55:25,287 --> 00:55:27,082 That was cool. 1073 00:55:27,185 --> 00:55:28,739 There was definitely people that traveled around 1074 00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:30,775 to go see them, similar to The Grateful Dead, 1075 00:55:30,879 --> 00:55:33,295 and you'd see the same person, like, all up the West Coast, 1076 00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:34,917 or all up the East Coast. 1077 00:55:35,021 --> 00:55:37,506 I would see the Butthole Surfers from D.C., 1078 00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:39,197 to, like, New England. 1079 00:55:39,301 --> 00:55:40,958 And I would catch all the shows. 1080 00:55:41,061 --> 00:55:43,340 And I'm pretty sure there were a lot of the same party favors 1081 00:55:43,443 --> 00:55:45,652 that were being used as Grateful Dead crowds, 1082 00:55:45,756 --> 00:55:48,586 but obviously, a slightly different show. 1083 00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:50,277 [Ween] We would drive around, and get high, 1084 00:55:50,381 --> 00:55:51,486 or do mushrooms or acid, 1085 00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:53,660 and listen to the Butthole Surfers. 1086 00:55:53,764 --> 00:55:55,386 They were the most psychedelic band ever. 1087 00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:58,182 But it's not peace, and love, and like, 1088 00:55:58,285 --> 00:56:01,323 rainbows, and kaleidoscopes, and shit. 1089 00:56:01,427 --> 00:56:04,878 It's a motherfucker! It's a motherfucker! 1090 00:56:04,982 --> 00:56:08,054 There's a dark, evil side of acid. 1091 00:56:08,157 --> 00:56:10,470 [person screaming] 1092 00:56:10,574 --> 00:56:13,439 Somehow, when I thought I'd seen it all, 1093 00:56:13,542 --> 00:56:14,785 it would be more over the top, 1094 00:56:14,888 --> 00:56:18,409 and more of a bad trip every time. 1095 00:56:18,513 --> 00:56:21,067 [screaming echoes distantly] 1096 00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:24,484 They were notorious for dosing themselves before going on stage. 1097 00:56:24,588 --> 00:56:26,417 So you just didn't know. 1098 00:56:26,521 --> 00:56:29,075 But you did know that it was gonna be spectacular. 1099 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:31,767 Like, the thousands of the people that came before me 1100 00:56:31,871 --> 00:56:33,666 that are descendants of me, 1101 00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:36,116 would show war movies out of their penises. 1102 00:56:36,703 --> 00:56:40,017 And they just, like, kept adding to their production. 1103 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,710 [filmstrip whirring] 1104 00:56:43,814 --> 00:56:45,678 The first films they started showing 1105 00:56:45,781 --> 00:56:47,576 were old science education-type films. 1106 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,820 [filmstrip whirring] 1107 00:56:49,923 --> 00:56:52,409 [director] And you were their first projectionist, you've mentioned. 1108 00:56:52,512 --> 00:56:55,342 [chuckles] Well, if no one else remembers that, 1109 00:56:55,446 --> 00:56:58,000 um, it's no big deal. 1110 00:56:58,104 --> 00:56:59,726 I got to know Teresa first. 1111 00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:01,694 It's a Madonna pap smear. 1112 00:57:01,797 --> 00:57:03,281 It's got Ciccone on the top. 1113 00:57:03,385 --> 00:57:06,008 That's like, you know, like, a medical label, Ciccone. 1114 00:57:06,112 --> 00:57:08,114 She was in a friend of mine's film class 1115 00:57:08,217 --> 00:57:09,460 at Austin Community College. 1116 00:57:09,564 --> 00:57:11,358 I'd taken a couple film classes there. 1117 00:57:11,462 --> 00:57:13,499 I'd already started the Austin Film Society. 1118 00:57:13,602 --> 00:57:14,845 And we would have screenings. 1119 00:57:14,948 --> 00:57:16,605 Teresa would come by, and then I remember 1120 00:57:16,709 --> 00:57:17,951 getting to know Gibby a little bit. 1121 00:57:18,055 --> 00:57:20,713 And he was like, hmm, how am I gonna-- 1122 00:57:20,816 --> 00:57:22,956 I want to incorporate movies into my shows. 1123 00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:25,890 And I remember saying, "Gibby, I've got a perfect film for you guys." 1124 00:57:25,994 --> 00:57:27,409 This is an experimental film called, 1125 00:57:27,513 --> 00:57:29,066 Epileptic Seizure Comparison. 1126 00:57:29,169 --> 00:57:31,965 I thought, oh, that works perfect with your aesthetics. 1127 00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:33,864 That was an early film they started showing. 1128 00:57:33,967 --> 00:57:36,625 And I did project for them early on, a little bit. 1129 00:57:36,729 --> 00:57:38,696 I remember going to Houston with them, Bill Daniel, and I. 1130 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,940 And Bill ended up going on tour with them. 1131 00:57:41,043 --> 00:57:45,185 The band, more than any-- any other band in the history of bands, 1132 00:57:45,289 --> 00:57:47,671 challenged their audience. 1133 00:57:47,774 --> 00:57:50,190 [man over speaker] It's Mechanized Death. 1134 00:57:50,294 --> 00:57:53,435 I didn't appreciate seeing car crash films, you know. 1135 00:57:53,539 --> 00:57:54,781 [projector whirring] 1136 00:57:54,885 --> 00:57:57,025 I just remember it being really colorful. 1137 00:57:57,128 --> 00:57:59,406 There were, like, maybe fish going through, 1138 00:57:59,510 --> 00:58:01,443 like, a coral reef. 1139 00:58:01,547 --> 00:58:03,203 We were so high on acid. 1140 00:58:03,307 --> 00:58:04,308 [echoing] Acid. 1141 00:58:04,411 --> 00:58:06,413 And it's amazing. 1142 00:58:06,517 --> 00:58:07,622 Just, like, these beautiful fish. 1143 00:58:07,725 --> 00:58:09,969 [echoing] Beautiful fish. Fish. 1144 00:58:10,072 --> 00:58:13,282 And then it immediately went to some sort of, like... 1145 00:58:14,249 --> 00:58:16,078 genital surgery. 1146 00:58:16,182 --> 00:58:18,080 [person screaming] 1147 00:58:18,184 --> 00:58:20,462 It's actually a penis rebuilding surgery 1148 00:58:20,566 --> 00:58:23,879 of a farmer's totally mangled penis. 1149 00:58:23,983 --> 00:58:25,847 I'm on two fucking hits of acid! 1150 00:58:25,950 --> 00:58:28,194 I was just like, "Oh my God, I can't be in here!" 1151 00:58:28,297 --> 00:58:30,368 It's really fuckin' gruesome. 1152 00:58:30,472 --> 00:58:32,750 There were people that would faint. 1153 00:58:32,854 --> 00:58:35,097 Every dude goes, "Ooh!" 1154 00:58:35,201 --> 00:58:36,892 And the combination of that, and the strobe lights, 1155 00:58:36,996 --> 00:58:39,377 made me feel very nauseous. 1156 00:58:39,481 --> 00:58:40,793 I think it was the booze you were drinking. 1157 00:58:40,896 --> 00:58:42,242 It might've been that, too. 1158 00:58:42,346 --> 00:58:45,660 It was actually a really-- a happy ending film. 1159 00:58:45,763 --> 00:58:47,662 I mean, the guy got injured, and he got his dick 1160 00:58:47,765 --> 00:58:49,595 put back together. 1161 00:58:49,698 --> 00:58:51,907 [vocalizing] 1162 00:58:54,013 --> 00:58:57,361 What--what we loved was just watching them 1163 00:58:57,464 --> 00:58:59,708 do the most insane shit, 1164 00:58:59,812 --> 00:59:03,160 so freaky and so ahead of the curve and so original. 1165 00:59:03,747 --> 00:59:09,787 The innovation, the voice manipulation, you know, all that was what we wanted to do. 1166 00:59:09,891 --> 00:59:13,964 ♪ Oh, John E. Smoke 1167 00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:17,105 ♪ John Smoke, Smoke, Smoke 1168 00:59:17,208 --> 00:59:20,349 They were frightening. They were... 1169 00:59:20,453 --> 00:59:21,972 unpredictable. 1170 00:59:22,075 --> 00:59:27,011 They were pioneers of a new way of expression. 1171 00:59:27,494 --> 00:59:33,362 And they seemed to be interested in puncturing the bubble of reality 1172 00:59:33,466 --> 00:59:37,919 that made you not understand where you were anymore. 1173 00:59:38,436 --> 00:59:42,026 You were touching the existential cloth. [chuckles] 1174 00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:46,824 [band members] Woo-hoo! Whee! Whoa! 1175 00:59:46,928 --> 00:59:48,895 [Coffey] We'd been on the road for years. 1176 00:59:48,999 --> 00:59:52,554 I thought, you know, guys, can we just go back to Austin? 1177 00:59:52,658 --> 00:59:54,314 And Gibby and Paul and Jeff, 1178 00:59:54,418 --> 00:59:56,385 - to their great credit, said... - "Oh, okay." 1179 00:59:56,489 --> 00:59:58,802 [Coffey] So we moved back to Austin and we set up shop, 1180 00:59:58,905 --> 01:00:01,874 recording what would become Locust Abortion Technician. 1181 01:00:01,977 --> 01:00:03,600 Locust Abortion Technician? 1182 01:00:03,703 --> 01:00:05,636 The Locust,uh... the Locustrecord. 1183 01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:07,431 ["Human Cannonball" by Butthole Surfers] 1184 01:00:07,534 --> 01:00:10,503 ♪ Pardon me, I'm only bleeding ♪ 1185 01:00:10,607 --> 01:00:14,576 ♪ But you cut me To the bone ♪ 1186 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,648 "Graveyard" is one of my favorites. 1187 01:00:17,752 --> 01:00:21,031 The foulest, most psychedelic riff. 1188 01:00:21,134 --> 01:00:22,964 ["Graveyard" by Butthole Surfers] 1189 01:00:23,067 --> 01:00:26,036 ♪ You lie in the graveyard 1190 01:00:26,139 --> 01:00:30,350 ♪ Well, you're rotting away 1191 01:00:30,454 --> 01:00:31,904 [laughing] 1192 01:00:32,007 --> 01:00:33,491 It is as fucked-up a guitar part 1193 01:00:33,595 --> 01:00:35,390 as was ever recorded, I think. 1194 01:00:35,493 --> 01:00:36,667 And Gibby wrote it. 1195 01:00:36,771 --> 01:00:38,842 I can write the shit out of a song, 1196 01:00:38,945 --> 01:00:41,741 but I'm not a great, uh, player. 1197 01:00:41,845 --> 01:00:44,019 I wanted to get Gibby playing the guitar, 1198 01:00:44,123 --> 01:00:45,849 but I didn't want him to, like, think about it 1199 01:00:45,952 --> 01:00:47,989 or come up with something or anything like that, 1200 01:00:48,092 --> 01:00:49,680 so I plugged a microphone in, 1201 01:00:49,784 --> 01:00:51,095 leaned up the guitar against the amp, 1202 01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:53,235 and then just left the room, and waited. 1203 01:00:54,133 --> 01:00:56,342 [door creaking] 1204 01:00:56,445 --> 01:00:58,551 Eventually Gibby walked by and saw it, and... 1205 01:00:58,655 --> 01:00:59,966 [Haynes belches] 1206 01:01:00,070 --> 01:01:01,450 ...picked it up and just started playing. 1207 01:01:01,554 --> 01:01:04,039 [playing buzzy guitar solo] 1208 01:01:04,143 --> 01:01:06,110 When I hit the record button, 1209 01:01:06,214 --> 01:01:08,665 and that beautiful sound came out... 1210 01:01:08,768 --> 01:01:10,874 [distortion-heavy guitar solo] 1211 01:01:10,977 --> 01:01:12,185 It was just like, ah! 1212 01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:15,637 ["Graveyard" by Butthole Surfers] 1213 01:01:15,741 --> 01:01:17,777 That's what I've been waiting for. 1214 01:01:19,192 --> 01:01:22,679 And then we-- we made a song around that. 1215 01:01:27,787 --> 01:01:30,169 [laughing] 1216 01:01:30,825 --> 01:01:34,035 [Albini] But there was a really great track on Locust Abortion. 1217 01:01:34,138 --> 01:01:36,037 Sort of a fake Black Sabbath cover. 1218 01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,694 "Sweat Loaf." 1219 01:01:37,797 --> 01:01:39,143 [boy in "Sweat Loaf"] Daddy? 1220 01:01:39,247 --> 01:01:41,007 [man in "Sweat Loaf"] Yes, son? 1221 01:01:41,111 --> 01:01:44,770 [boy] What-- What-- What-- What does "regret" mean? 1222 01:01:44,873 --> 01:01:47,220 [man] Well, son, a funny thing about regret 1223 01:01:47,324 --> 01:01:50,879 is that it's better to regret something you have done 1224 01:01:50,983 --> 01:01:53,571 than to regret something you haven't done. 1225 01:01:53,675 --> 01:01:56,851 And by the way, if you see your mom this weekend, 1226 01:01:56,954 --> 01:01:58,369 would you be sure and tell her... 1227 01:01:58,473 --> 01:02:00,647 Satan, Satan, Satan! 1228 01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:02,719 Satan, Satan, Satan! 1229 01:02:02,822 --> 01:02:05,722 ["Sweat Loaf" by Butthole Surfers] 1230 01:02:08,207 --> 01:02:11,693 ♪ Oh 1231 01:02:11,797 --> 01:02:13,315 It's a nod to "Sweet Leaf." 1232 01:02:13,419 --> 01:02:14,869 A classique. 1233 01:02:18,286 --> 01:02:20,391 "Sweat Loaf" was always great live. 1234 01:02:20,495 --> 01:02:22,221 It was just that riff, 1235 01:02:22,324 --> 01:02:23,670 and with them just, like, putting it through 1236 01:02:23,774 --> 01:02:25,672 the Butthole's prism. 1237 01:02:25,776 --> 01:02:27,502 It was fantastic, always. 1238 01:02:27,605 --> 01:02:30,643 ♪ Rape of desire 1239 01:02:30,747 --> 01:02:32,541 ♪ Of desire, of desire, of desire ♪ 1240 01:02:32,645 --> 01:02:34,923 ♪ Rape of desire 1241 01:02:35,027 --> 01:02:37,546 ♪ Of desire, of desire, of desire ♪ 1242 01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:39,410 [laughter in song] 1243 01:02:39,514 --> 01:02:41,723 ♪ Rape of desire 1244 01:02:41,827 --> 01:02:43,725 [maniacal laughter in song] 1245 01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:47,764 ♪ Of desire, of desire, of desire, rape ♪ 1246 01:02:47,867 --> 01:02:50,042 In those golden days, we were sort of, like, 1247 01:02:50,145 --> 01:02:52,596 on a magic carpet ride, or something. 1248 01:02:52,699 --> 01:02:54,149 ["Magic Carpet Ride" by Steppenwolf] 1249 01:02:54,253 --> 01:02:57,566 ♪ You don't know What we can find ♪ 1250 01:02:57,670 --> 01:03:00,293 [screaming] 1251 01:03:00,397 --> 01:03:02,192 [Lynch] We traveled the U.K., Europe, 1252 01:03:02,295 --> 01:03:05,712 the world, my dream come true. 1253 01:03:05,816 --> 01:03:07,024 But, yeah, there were some-- 1254 01:03:07,128 --> 01:03:10,062 some times where it was more negative. 1255 01:03:10,165 --> 01:03:11,822 ["Sea Ferring" by Butthole Surfers] 1256 01:03:11,926 --> 01:03:13,755 ♪ Like a sea horse Like a graveyard ♪ 1257 01:03:13,859 --> 01:03:15,688 ♪ Like a moron Like a girlfriend ♪ 1258 01:03:15,792 --> 01:03:17,966 [Keith Morris] Those guys spent so much time around each other. 1259 01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:20,348 It was just everybody piling in a van, 1260 01:03:20,451 --> 01:03:22,281 and everybody's breathing on each other. 1261 01:03:22,384 --> 01:03:24,386 Everybody's on top of each other. 1262 01:03:24,490 --> 01:03:26,250 ♪ Like a brain stroke Like a long drip ♪ 1263 01:03:26,354 --> 01:03:28,183 [Coffey] All the band was cranky. 1264 01:03:28,287 --> 01:03:30,772 But Paul definitely felt the pressure. 1265 01:03:31,462 --> 01:03:35,156 [Pinkus] Paul definitely qualifies as someone that can flip a switch. 1266 01:03:35,259 --> 01:03:37,503 You don't want to see that on the other side of you. 1267 01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,367 What, you want some shit? 1268 01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:41,783 - No, sit down. - Well, fuckin' get the fuck away from me, then! 1269 01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,993 [Leary] There's other things to performing besides being on stage. 1270 01:03:45,097 --> 01:03:46,892 Booking shows, and keeping track of things, 1271 01:03:46,995 --> 01:03:49,101 and showing up places on time, 1272 01:03:49,204 --> 01:03:51,724 and that all gets to be very stressful. 1273 01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:53,933 But Gibby... 1274 01:03:54,037 --> 01:03:56,315 Gibby is a pretty friendly person. 1275 01:03:56,418 --> 01:04:00,457 He can lure you right in, you know, 1276 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,217 but so can mass murderers. 1277 01:04:03,598 --> 01:04:05,945 [Lynch] Gibby was a total agent of chaos. 1278 01:04:06,049 --> 01:04:08,845 [Lyman] Crazy, but very warm and loving, 1279 01:04:08,948 --> 01:04:12,089 and you just never know what you're gonna get. 1280 01:04:12,193 --> 01:04:14,022 He could be bipolar. 1281 01:04:14,126 --> 01:04:17,025 [indistinct chatter] 1282 01:04:17,129 --> 01:04:18,647 [Bob Forrest] Something clicks inside him, 1283 01:04:18,751 --> 01:04:20,097 and he'll just go clobber the-- 1284 01:04:20,201 --> 01:04:22,134 you know, "Come on, we're gonna kill him." 1285 01:04:22,237 --> 01:04:25,033 Like I could kill anybody, dude. 1286 01:04:25,137 --> 01:04:26,655 Flames were going up, and you could see 1287 01:04:26,759 --> 01:04:30,038 that the insulation was catching. 1288 01:04:30,142 --> 01:04:32,834 Then the security was trying to put it out, 1289 01:04:32,938 --> 01:04:34,560 with, like, fire extinguishers. 1290 01:04:34,663 --> 01:04:37,804 I guess Gibby threw lighter fluid on one of 'em, 1291 01:04:37,908 --> 01:04:39,599 and then just started walking towards him 1292 01:04:39,703 --> 01:04:41,153 with his little trusty Bic. 1293 01:04:41,256 --> 01:04:43,534 [director] Can you be moody, Gibby? 1294 01:04:44,294 --> 01:04:47,504 Might as well have asked, can you be not perfect? 1295 01:04:47,987 --> 01:04:53,890 And then just go with, oh, in what manner am I not perfect? 1296 01:04:53,993 --> 01:04:58,101 I think he truly is suffering from trauma. 1297 01:04:58,204 --> 01:05:01,449 It's only 3.5... [indistinct] 1298 01:05:01,552 --> 01:05:03,934 [Bevers] Maybe some bad things happened. 1299 01:05:04,038 --> 01:05:06,316 ♪ Don't try And fuckin' follow ♪ 1300 01:05:06,419 --> 01:05:09,215 ♪ I'm too busy When they're falling ♪ 1301 01:05:09,319 --> 01:05:10,872 [Bevers] But I've never heard him talk about it. 1302 01:05:10,976 --> 01:05:12,425 ♪ We'll be living 1303 01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:14,186 Have you? 1304 01:05:15,394 --> 01:05:16,982 [blows gently] 1305 01:05:17,085 --> 01:05:19,536 [engine revving] 1306 01:05:20,606 --> 01:05:22,194 I'll handle this. 1307 01:05:23,126 --> 01:05:24,334 [clears throat] 1308 01:05:27,026 --> 01:05:29,132 Hello, there. I'm Jerry Finster. 1309 01:05:29,235 --> 01:05:32,411 This is my wife, Mary Ellen, and my son, Jerry Jr. 1310 01:05:32,514 --> 01:05:35,448 Y'all bye! 1311 01:05:35,552 --> 01:05:38,900 Hairway to Stevenwas a different kind of album. 1312 01:05:39,004 --> 01:05:41,385 ["Fast Song" by Butthole Surfers] 1313 01:05:43,870 --> 01:05:45,251 ♪ It's probably me now 1314 01:05:45,355 --> 01:05:47,874 ♪ I'm burning up With desire oh ♪ 1315 01:05:48,392 --> 01:05:51,430 [Pinkus] It would also end up being our last album 1316 01:05:51,533 --> 01:05:52,638 on Touch and Go. 1317 01:05:52,741 --> 01:05:54,191 [♪ upbeat music] 1318 01:05:54,295 --> 01:05:56,331 That was not a pretty ending to that. 1319 01:05:56,435 --> 01:05:59,024 And the Buttholes sold a lot of records, 1320 01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:01,578 and they had a really deep 1321 01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,787 and important relationship with Touch and Go. 1322 01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:07,756 Corey Rusk is an honest person who pays his bands. 1323 01:06:07,860 --> 01:06:11,105 No contracts needed, because he was just an honest guy. 1324 01:06:11,208 --> 01:06:14,556 However, the Buttholes had gotten a manager. 1325 01:06:14,660 --> 01:06:16,386 - [director] You're talking about-- - [record scratch] 1326 01:06:16,489 --> 01:06:18,146 I'm not mentioning any names. 1327 01:06:18,250 --> 01:06:20,459 They got a manager, and he went to Corey, 1328 01:06:20,562 --> 01:06:23,324 and he says, "Hey, the band wants more money." 1329 01:06:23,427 --> 01:06:24,911 We made more money for that label 1330 01:06:25,015 --> 01:06:26,672 than any of their other bands, 1331 01:06:26,775 --> 01:06:29,157 and then we found out they were giving another band 1332 01:06:29,261 --> 01:06:31,056 that was friends of ours a better deal than us, 1333 01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:32,712 and we wanted that same deal. 1334 01:06:32,816 --> 01:06:36,302 They wanted to renegotiate their deal with Touch and Go. 1335 01:06:36,406 --> 01:06:38,270 - The label refused. - [car crash sound effect] 1336 01:06:38,373 --> 01:06:39,926 So we terminated the deal. 1337 01:06:40,030 --> 01:06:41,549 [sirens blaring] 1338 01:06:41,652 --> 01:06:45,553 Turned into him claiming he owned our music for life. 1339 01:06:45,656 --> 01:06:48,176 The label refused to recognize the termination, 1340 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,764 and kept selling records. 1341 01:06:49,867 --> 01:06:53,526 So we decided to sue them for copyright infringement. 1342 01:06:53,630 --> 01:06:55,528 I don't know, as the judge put it... 1343 01:06:55,632 --> 01:06:59,394 "One would ordinarily think that an agreement of the type 1344 01:06:59,498 --> 01:07:02,742 we just described would be in writing. 1345 01:07:02,846 --> 01:07:05,262 For, as Yogi Berra observed, 1346 01:07:05,366 --> 01:07:08,748 'An oral contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.'" 1347 01:07:08,852 --> 01:07:10,371 [crowd cheering] 1348 01:07:10,474 --> 01:07:12,269 [laughter] 1349 01:07:12,373 --> 01:07:15,721 That pretty much summed up what the judge thought about the whole thing. 1350 01:07:15,824 --> 01:07:17,205 ["Jimi" by Butthole Surfers] 1351 01:07:17,309 --> 01:07:21,899 ♪ Oh my God 1352 01:07:22,003 --> 01:07:24,971 [Leary] A lot of people took Touch and Go's side on that, 1353 01:07:25,075 --> 01:07:27,181 which was disappointing. 1354 01:07:27,284 --> 01:07:29,666 The Butthole Surfers were suing the one guy in music 1355 01:07:29,769 --> 01:07:32,531 who had ever been decent to them. [chuckles] 1356 01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:36,362 The way that they just went from being personal friends 1357 01:07:36,466 --> 01:07:40,987 to being litigants in this really cold-hearted way, 1358 01:07:41,091 --> 01:07:42,782 really turned me off of them. 1359 01:07:42,886 --> 01:07:45,716 Screwing people over is just not ever cool, period. 1360 01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:47,546 [Leary] Touch and Go had plenty of money. 1361 01:07:47,649 --> 01:07:48,581 They were living nice. 1362 01:07:48,685 --> 01:07:50,928 And we were, you know, living in a van. 1363 01:07:51,032 --> 01:07:54,277 The Butthole Surfers did something to support artists' rights. 1364 01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:56,072 The right to control your masters. 1365 01:07:56,175 --> 01:07:58,315 The right to control your destiny, essentially, 1366 01:07:58,419 --> 01:08:00,766 and they deserve credit for it. 1367 01:08:01,249 --> 01:08:03,596 Oh, bully for them, then. 1368 01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:05,150 Great work. 1369 01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:06,910 Congratulations. 1370 01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:08,843 David Yow asked me one time, he goes, 1371 01:08:08,946 --> 01:08:11,121 uh, he goes, "What would happen if you walked into a restaurant, 1372 01:08:11,225 --> 01:08:12,536 and there was Corey Rusk?" 1373 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,642 And I was like, dude, I'd go up and hug him. 1374 01:08:14,745 --> 01:08:16,989 And he was like, "I don't think Corey would." 1375 01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:20,165 [director] He won't talk to us. I've asked him five times. 1376 01:08:20,268 --> 01:08:22,546 The guy who put out the records won't talk to you? 1377 01:08:22,650 --> 01:08:24,307 ["Look Back and Laugh" by Minor Threat] 1378 01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:26,102 ♪ Their heads went Different directions ♪ 1379 01:08:26,205 --> 01:08:27,931 ♪ And their friendship Ceased to be ♪ 1380 01:08:28,034 --> 01:08:31,797 It ended in tears, but so it goes. 1381 01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:34,558 What I know of them as people makes me think 1382 01:08:34,662 --> 01:08:36,767 that they are among the worst people I've ever known. 1383 01:08:36,871 --> 01:08:38,390 ♪ Different directions 1384 01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:40,392 ♪ And their friendship Ceased to be ♪ 1385 01:08:40,495 --> 01:08:42,463 Nobody wants to see people that have been doing it 1386 01:08:42,566 --> 01:08:44,499 for years and years make a living. 1387 01:08:44,603 --> 01:08:47,088 They just want you to suffer, like me now. 1388 01:08:47,192 --> 01:08:48,779 Are y'all happy? [laughter] 1389 01:08:48,883 --> 01:08:50,954 ♪ Some day we'll look back And laugh ♪ 1390 01:08:51,057 --> 01:08:52,680 [explosion booms] 1391 01:08:53,612 --> 01:08:57,788 [Leary] Hairwaywasn't just our last album with Touch and Go, 1392 01:08:57,892 --> 01:09:00,239 but also our last with Teresa. 1393 01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:04,243 [Nervosa] I had a brain aneurysm, 1394 01:09:04,347 --> 01:09:08,178 and I was in full-blown psychosis. 1395 01:09:08,282 --> 01:09:10,249 Ooh, that was horrible. 1396 01:09:12,355 --> 01:09:14,909 [Coffey] Certainly when she left, um... 1397 01:09:15,427 --> 01:09:17,187 you know, it was kind of like less fun for me, 1398 01:09:17,291 --> 01:09:19,016 because it's fun, like, having like, 1399 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:20,984 a gay/lesbian co-member in the band, 1400 01:09:21,087 --> 01:09:23,849 but Teresa was everybody's best friend. 1401 01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:26,679 She was always, always fun. 1402 01:09:26,783 --> 01:09:29,268 Just, you know, so much bubbling. 1403 01:09:29,372 --> 01:09:30,890 And when she started giggling, you know, 1404 01:09:30,994 --> 01:09:33,445 it was-- everybody would be smiling in the room. 1405 01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:36,448 Things were just better if Teresa was there. 1406 01:09:39,313 --> 01:09:42,212 And then a lot of other things were changing too, 1407 01:09:42,316 --> 01:09:44,766 pretty quickly. 1408 01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:48,529 One of the most unexpected things to happen 1409 01:09:48,632 --> 01:09:51,808 at the end of the '80s, and the start of the '90s, 1410 01:09:51,911 --> 01:09:55,398 was the ascent of the underground music scene. 1411 01:09:55,501 --> 01:09:59,540 College rock was changing into what was called the alternative nation. 1412 01:09:59,643 --> 01:10:03,199 It was a sea change in the culture and the music. 1413 01:10:03,302 --> 01:10:06,478 [director] Do you remember when Nirvana opened up for you guys in Seattle? 1414 01:10:06,581 --> 01:10:08,100 [Haynes] Yeah, that was awesome. 1415 01:10:08,204 --> 01:10:10,309 That poster, it's a killer poster, 1416 01:10:10,413 --> 01:10:13,623 because it's Butthole Surfers, Nirvana. 1417 01:10:13,726 --> 01:10:15,003 And then, like, a few years later, 1418 01:10:15,107 --> 01:10:16,315 it just would've been-- woo! 1419 01:10:16,419 --> 01:10:18,731 The order of the bands flipped. 1420 01:10:18,835 --> 01:10:20,802 All of this was sort of building, 1421 01:10:20,906 --> 01:10:24,806 and people were becoming a little bit more interested 1422 01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:27,706 in this sort of crazy guitar music. 1423 01:10:27,809 --> 01:10:31,572 And then that was starting to move into mainstream, 1424 01:10:31,675 --> 01:10:35,472 and the Buttholes were on that crest of that. 1425 01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:40,305 [Leary] We were the top-grossing independent band in the country, 1426 01:10:40,408 --> 01:10:42,859 and we were really starting to build momentum. 1427 01:10:42,962 --> 01:10:45,275 [reporter] Are you finding yourself getting more of a feedback 1428 01:10:45,379 --> 01:10:48,071 being out on the road or is it just a downer 1429 01:10:48,174 --> 01:10:50,763 that you haven't managed to get yourself a Top 30 hit? 1430 01:10:52,386 --> 01:10:55,354 [Leary] We just needed that one thing to push us to the next level. 1431 01:10:55,458 --> 01:10:58,323 And that's part of why they ended up on Lollapalooza. 1432 01:10:58,426 --> 01:11:01,533 [crowd cheering] 1433 01:11:05,364 --> 01:11:07,297 They had my crew's attention. 1434 01:11:07,401 --> 01:11:09,506 [playing fast-paced song] 1435 01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:11,405 [Flea] He just fucking owned it. 1436 01:11:11,508 --> 01:11:13,579 Like, he-- he just took over. 1437 01:11:13,683 --> 01:11:15,857 Motherfucker came out with a shotgun. 1438 01:11:15,961 --> 01:11:17,411 [booming] 1439 01:11:17,514 --> 01:11:19,620 Jesus, fuck it, like, they are from Texas. 1440 01:11:19,723 --> 01:11:20,897 [booming] 1441 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,588 That's punk as fuck. 1442 01:11:22,692 --> 01:11:24,314 It was a real shotgun, but he was shooting blanks, 1443 01:11:24,418 --> 01:11:25,798 I-- I think. 1444 01:11:25,902 --> 01:11:27,835 - [feedback squeals] - [shotgun booms] 1445 01:11:27,938 --> 01:11:30,424 [Rollins] I've seen a lot of shows in my life, 1446 01:11:30,527 --> 01:11:33,012 and that was the most intense-- Aah-- 1447 01:11:33,116 --> 01:11:35,877 thing I have ever seen done by a band to an audience. 1448 01:11:35,981 --> 01:11:38,811 [Ice-T] I was like, white boys with shotguns? 1449 01:11:38,915 --> 01:11:40,054 Like, what the fuck? 1450 01:11:40,157 --> 01:11:41,676 They just outdid us. 1451 01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:44,334 You watch and you go, these guys are frickin' scary, 1452 01:11:44,438 --> 01:11:46,854 and they're the real deal, and it's awesome. 1453 01:11:46,957 --> 01:11:49,512 [playing fast-paced song] 1454 01:11:49,615 --> 01:11:51,272 [laughter in song] 1455 01:11:51,376 --> 01:11:55,725 [playing guitar solo] 1456 01:11:55,828 --> 01:11:58,003 Lollapalooza certainly wasn't the epitome 1457 01:11:58,106 --> 01:11:59,315 of Butthole Surfer shows. 1458 01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:01,731 A lot of that twisted darkness, 1459 01:12:01,834 --> 01:12:05,010 and a lot of the visual elements were not able to be there. 1460 01:12:05,113 --> 01:12:10,636 And yet that show still communicated to that sort of more general audience. 1461 01:12:11,223 --> 01:12:13,743 In case there's any chance of, like, next year's Lollapalooza and stuff, 1462 01:12:13,846 --> 01:12:15,503 you know, the t-shirt sales were great. 1463 01:12:15,607 --> 01:12:18,092 [band yelling wildly] 1464 01:12:18,195 --> 01:12:19,783 [Leary] Record labels were clamoring to-- to have us, 1465 01:12:19,887 --> 01:12:21,820 especially after Nirvana had their success. 1466 01:12:21,923 --> 01:12:24,374 Everybody was looking for the next Nirvana. 1467 01:12:24,478 --> 01:12:27,377 I was in line in L.A., uh... 1468 01:12:27,481 --> 01:12:31,036 at a Starbucks, and a guy behind me taps me on the shoulder. 1469 01:12:31,139 --> 01:12:33,694 He was like, "Gibby." And I was like, "Yeah, man." 1470 01:12:33,797 --> 01:12:35,765 President of Capitol Records. 1471 01:12:35,868 --> 01:12:39,009 [Hale Milgrim] What I saw was so mind boggling, 1472 01:12:39,113 --> 01:12:43,048 whether it was rock 'n roll or psychedelic or... punk, 1473 01:12:43,151 --> 01:12:45,602 they did it all and they did it pretty damn well. 1474 01:12:45,706 --> 01:12:48,881 I was sold. I wanted that band on our label. 1475 01:12:48,985 --> 01:12:53,127 And suddenly, the Butthole Surfers are a major label band. 1476 01:13:00,065 --> 01:13:02,239 [Leary] I love the Beatles, I love Dean Martin, 1477 01:13:02,343 --> 01:13:06,554 and the Beach Boys, and just on and on, that were on Capitol Records. 1478 01:13:06,658 --> 01:13:09,902 And the thought of the Butthole Surfers being on Capitol Records... 1479 01:13:12,284 --> 01:13:14,597 ...that was just too much to pass up. 1480 01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,461 [Coffey] Capitol gave us the money. 1481 01:13:16,564 --> 01:13:17,807 So the pressure was on. 1482 01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:20,016 Let's try to give them their money's worth. 1483 01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:21,362 Let's make a rock record. 1484 01:13:21,466 --> 01:13:24,641 And we had a lot of A-list producers 1485 01:13:24,745 --> 01:13:26,609 that were interested in the job. 1486 01:13:26,712 --> 01:13:28,404 The name John Paul Jones came up. 1487 01:13:28,507 --> 01:13:30,060 At that point, you know, it's like, 1488 01:13:30,302 --> 01:13:32,511 "Do we want to go to our graves saying we could have worked 1489 01:13:32,615 --> 01:13:34,168 with John Paul Jones, but didn't?" 1490 01:13:35,894 --> 01:13:37,827 I had to work with John Paul Jones. 1491 01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:40,830 He was great in the studio. 1492 01:13:40,933 --> 01:13:42,832 He taught me a lot about producing. 1493 01:13:42,935 --> 01:13:44,765 He came to the practice space, and listened to us 1494 01:13:44,868 --> 01:13:46,870 playing, and jamming, and made suggestions. 1495 01:13:46,974 --> 01:13:49,770 [Pinkus] I was playing banjo in the studio, 1496 01:13:49,873 --> 01:13:52,117 with John Paul Jones playing bass. 1497 01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:53,946 [plucking notes on banjo] 1498 01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:59,469 It was on my bass that he broke his very first bass string, ever. 1499 01:13:59,573 --> 01:14:02,092 I've got the string, and it's framed in there. 1500 01:14:03,991 --> 01:14:05,958 And then, he was fun to hang out with. 1501 01:14:06,062 --> 01:14:07,891 Because, fuck, he's John Paul Jones. 1502 01:14:07,995 --> 01:14:12,862 [Pinkus] We went $5,000 over budget on alcohol. 1503 01:14:12,965 --> 01:14:14,691 Uh, mainly scotch. 1504 01:14:14,795 --> 01:14:16,417 By the time that album was finished, 1505 01:14:16,521 --> 01:14:18,661 he quit drinking entirely after that. 1506 01:14:18,764 --> 01:14:20,594 We drove him to quit drinking. 1507 01:14:24,218 --> 01:14:28,843 [director] The whiskey thing, that was the last time you drank, am I right? 1508 01:14:28,947 --> 01:14:30,189 - No. - No? 1509 01:14:30,293 --> 01:14:31,777 - That's a myth. - Yeah. 1510 01:14:31,881 --> 01:14:34,677 I mean, I don't drink, but that was years later. 1511 01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:35,816 - Years later. - Yeah. 1512 01:14:35,919 --> 01:14:38,128 Okay. Well, they claimed credit. 1513 01:14:38,232 --> 01:14:40,234 - [laughter] - Oh, well... 1514 01:14:40,648 --> 01:14:43,755 [Jones] Paul Leary is one of my all-time favorite guitarists. 1515 01:14:43,858 --> 01:14:45,032 [director] He was worried that 1516 01:14:45,135 --> 01:14:46,378 maybe he pissed you off 1517 01:14:46,482 --> 01:14:48,449 because backstage in Austin one time 1518 01:14:48,553 --> 01:14:51,107 he said he gave you a Texas titty twister. 1519 01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:52,591 - [Jones] He did. - [yelps] 1520 01:14:52,695 --> 01:14:53,765 [director] What possessed him? 1521 01:14:53,868 --> 01:14:55,421 I don't know what possessed him, 1522 01:14:55,525 --> 01:14:56,802 but I got him back immediately. 1523 01:14:56,906 --> 01:14:59,391 I just went, whup, so that we were even. 1524 01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:01,255 [director] Was it a friendly titty twister? 1525 01:15:01,358 --> 01:15:03,222 Yeah. No, it was friendly. 1526 01:15:03,326 --> 01:15:05,708 Texas titty twister, you know, one of those. 1527 01:15:05,811 --> 01:15:07,226 I pinched his titty. 1528 01:15:07,330 --> 01:15:09,643 [director] In New York, we call it a purple nurple. 1529 01:15:09,746 --> 01:15:11,921 I don't know if there's an English term for it. 1530 01:15:12,024 --> 01:15:14,026 We--we don't really do that here. 1531 01:15:14,130 --> 01:15:15,649 [laughter] 1532 01:15:15,752 --> 01:15:19,445 It was an amazingly creative and inspiring environment, 1533 01:15:19,549 --> 01:15:22,587 and it yielded the Independent Worm Saloonrecord, 1534 01:15:23,553 --> 01:15:25,072 which up and to that point, 1535 01:15:25,175 --> 01:15:26,867 became the biggest record of their career. 1536 01:15:26,970 --> 01:15:28,903 ["Who Was in My Room Last Night?" By Butthole Surfers] 1537 01:15:29,007 --> 01:15:32,355 [Leary] We had a minor radio hit with "Who Was in My Room?" 1538 01:15:32,458 --> 01:15:34,633 ♪ All night long My body burned ♪ 1539 01:15:34,737 --> 01:15:37,118 ♪ The sheets were Wet and cold ♪ 1540 01:15:37,222 --> 01:15:39,811 ♪ The lights were on My eyes were gone ♪ 1541 01:15:39,914 --> 01:15:42,572 ♪ And at any second I'd lose control ♪ 1542 01:15:42,676 --> 01:15:45,782 [Coffey] That was our big debut, in a way. 1543 01:15:45,886 --> 01:15:48,440 After all these years of no-budget records, 1544 01:15:48,544 --> 01:15:50,925 it was fun to make a big, dumb rock record. 1545 01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:53,790 ♪ Who the hell Was in my bed ♪ 1546 01:15:59,209 --> 01:16:02,454 But joining Capitol added a different dynamic to the band. 1547 01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:05,906 We ended up not being in control anymore. 1548 01:16:06,009 --> 01:16:09,392 Before, Gibby was very much in control of the business for us. 1549 01:16:09,495 --> 01:16:14,052 And when the decision-making was no longer really in his control, 1550 01:16:14,155 --> 01:16:17,573 I think that helps you to get a little bit more out of control, 1551 01:16:19,195 --> 01:16:20,990 to where he was like, "Well, fuck it. 1552 01:16:21,093 --> 01:16:23,337 If y'all don't need me, I'm gone." 1553 01:16:24,718 --> 01:16:29,308 ["The Wooden Song" by Butthole Surfers] 1554 01:16:29,412 --> 01:16:33,761 I felt him starting to go, you know, a bit distant from us. 1555 01:16:33,865 --> 01:16:38,145 ♪ Take me, break me 1556 01:16:38,248 --> 01:16:42,736 ♪ Tell me a good one And maybe I'll cry ♪ 1557 01:16:42,839 --> 01:16:44,669 [Leary] I think it was a South by Southwest event, 1558 01:16:44,772 --> 01:16:45,980 and there was a party. 1559 01:16:46,084 --> 01:16:47,533 I looked across the room and I see Gibby, 1560 01:16:47,637 --> 01:16:48,949 so I start wandering over there. 1561 01:16:49,052 --> 01:16:51,192 And I see him see me out of the corner of his eye, 1562 01:16:51,296 --> 01:16:52,331 and he starts walking away. 1563 01:16:53,367 --> 01:16:56,646 At the time, it wasn't making sense to me. 1564 01:16:57,751 --> 01:17:00,029 My feelings were a little bit hurt. 1565 01:17:00,650 --> 01:17:02,065 [sighs] 1566 01:17:02,169 --> 01:17:04,758 - [applause] - [Haynes] Yeah. Thank you. 1567 01:17:07,277 --> 01:17:12,351 The Butthole Surfers were playing in Virginia, 1568 01:17:12,938 --> 01:17:16,701 down in Norfolk, at a place called The Boathouse. 1569 01:17:16,804 --> 01:17:19,807 And we finally get into their dressing room. 1570 01:17:19,911 --> 01:17:21,740 And there's all of the guys in the band. 1571 01:17:21,844 --> 01:17:24,122 They're all just hanging out. 1572 01:17:24,225 --> 01:17:25,710 [belches] 1573 01:17:25,813 --> 01:17:29,161 And we're looking around like, where's Gibby? 1574 01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:33,303 And the door opens. 1575 01:17:33,718 --> 01:17:36,652 Just enough for Gibby to poke his head in. 1576 01:17:36,755 --> 01:17:39,620 I look up and I say, "Gibby, what's happening?" 1577 01:17:39,724 --> 01:17:42,623 And he looks green. 1578 01:17:42,727 --> 01:17:45,384 He's a little bit shrunken. 1579 01:17:45,488 --> 01:17:49,354 I've seen Gibby fucked up, and fucked up out of his mind, 1580 01:17:49,457 --> 01:17:51,114 but not like that. 1581 01:17:51,218 --> 01:17:52,115 [door creaks] 1582 01:17:52,219 --> 01:17:54,428 He looked like he was ready to die. 1583 01:17:54,531 --> 01:17:58,604 And then they perform, and the performance is amazing. 1584 01:17:59,019 --> 01:18:01,400 Gibby that you would expect from him. 1585 01:18:06,129 --> 01:18:11,100 It was hard, to say the least, when Gibby started using heroin. 1586 01:18:11,203 --> 01:18:13,412 He had an addictive personality, I guess. 1587 01:18:13,516 --> 01:18:14,724 That wasn't really clear to me. 1588 01:18:14,828 --> 01:18:16,657 And maybe it wasn't clear to him. 1589 01:18:16,761 --> 01:18:20,143 Next thing you know, you know, he's living at Johnny Depp's house, 1590 01:18:20,247 --> 01:18:23,388 and we're somewhere else without Gibby. 1591 01:18:23,906 --> 01:18:25,942 Johnny Depp had done a movie in Texas, 1592 01:18:26,046 --> 01:18:27,875 and befriended Gibby, 1593 01:18:27,979 --> 01:18:30,464 because he loved Buttholes just like everybody else, right? 1594 01:18:30,567 --> 01:18:32,500 And then I was friends with Johnny, 1595 01:18:32,604 --> 01:18:35,987 and then somehow Gibby just moved into Johnny's house, 1596 01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:37,885 and then we were all living there. 1597 01:18:37,989 --> 01:18:39,680 Let's call it the Hollywood years. 1598 01:18:39,784 --> 01:18:42,269 [♪ grand music] 1599 01:18:42,372 --> 01:18:45,859 [person screaming wildly] 1600 01:18:46,238 --> 01:18:47,723 He must have been on drugs, because 1601 01:18:47,826 --> 01:18:49,483 I don't know how else you could stomach that. 1602 01:18:49,966 --> 01:18:51,485 That's just, that's horrendous. 1603 01:18:53,211 --> 01:18:56,801 "The Hollywood Hillbillies" or whatever they were called, 1604 01:18:56,904 --> 01:19:00,943 you know, Johnny Depp, Evan Dando, Leonardo DiCaprio, 1605 01:19:01,046 --> 01:19:02,703 Gibby is the ringleader. 1606 01:19:02,807 --> 01:19:04,291 That was in the same time that 1607 01:19:04,394 --> 01:19:07,639 Johnny was opening up The Viper Room. 1608 01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,330 I think the whole idea of Viper Room 1609 01:19:09,434 --> 01:19:12,402 was to get everybody out of his house. [laughing] 1610 01:19:12,506 --> 01:19:15,578 He had some really rapscallions living around that house. 1611 01:19:15,681 --> 01:19:18,512 ♪ Give me one, two, three, Four, five, six, seven, Eight, nine, ten ♪ 1612 01:19:18,615 --> 01:19:20,686 ♪ Bottles of gin 1613 01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:22,827 [crowd cheering] 1614 01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:26,762 [Forrest] So the drug problem just escalates around that Viper Room era. 1615 01:19:26,865 --> 01:19:29,419 And I remember one of the strange people 1616 01:19:29,523 --> 01:19:31,697 that was in that circle was Timothy Leary. 1617 01:19:31,801 --> 01:19:33,872 Here, in 1993, 1618 01:19:33,976 --> 01:19:36,357 we are creating a new language, 1619 01:19:36,461 --> 01:19:39,257 beamed around the world at the speed of light. 1620 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,811 [whirring] 1621 01:19:41,915 --> 01:19:45,159 Not the greatest drug counselor in the world. 1622 01:19:45,263 --> 01:19:46,747 [chuckles] 1623 01:19:46,851 --> 01:19:48,749 Look within. Know thyself. 1624 01:19:48,853 --> 01:19:51,545 [Forrest] We would go to Timothy's house sometimes after the Viper Room. 1625 01:19:51,648 --> 01:19:55,963 I remember Al Jourgensen was in town making a record, 1626 01:19:56,067 --> 01:19:58,759 and Gibby and Timothy Leary got, like, 1627 01:19:58,863 --> 01:20:00,865 this brain trust of acid. 1628 01:20:00,968 --> 01:20:02,728 [electronic music beeping] 1629 01:20:02,832 --> 01:20:07,078 Basically, Tim would test out whatever the new psychotropic drug 1630 01:20:07,181 --> 01:20:09,666 was being sent by either University of Berkeley, 1631 01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:12,462 or Sandoz Corporation from Switzerland, 1632 01:20:12,566 --> 01:20:14,257 and we would inject it. 1633 01:20:14,361 --> 01:20:16,156 And-- aah! 1634 01:20:16,259 --> 01:20:19,642 And Tim would just take notes, literally, like, in a lab coat. 1635 01:20:19,745 --> 01:20:20,712 Stick out your tongue. 1636 01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:23,991 [laughing] 1637 01:20:24,095 --> 01:20:26,131 [Jourgensen] And then, after about week two, 1638 01:20:26,235 --> 01:20:28,582 Gibby lost it on one trip, 1639 01:20:28,685 --> 01:20:32,620 and went into Tim's office, and peed all over his desk. 1640 01:20:32,724 --> 01:20:37,280 And so, he got thrown out of, like, the Tim Leary experiment. 1641 01:20:37,384 --> 01:20:39,282 There's something weird that goes on with people, 1642 01:20:39,386 --> 01:20:41,491 especially when you hang out with enablers. 1643 01:20:41,595 --> 01:20:43,735 Al's quite an enabler. 1644 01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:47,808 We smoked so much crack, Gibby was convinced he was covered in spiders. 1645 01:20:47,912 --> 01:20:52,813 So he went to my room to take a shower, and get rid of the spiders. 1646 01:20:52,917 --> 01:20:54,539 And then I started hearing gunshots. 1647 01:20:54,642 --> 01:20:56,161 [gunshots popping] 1648 01:20:56,265 --> 01:20:58,715 So I came running downstairs, and there's Gibby naked, 1649 01:20:58,819 --> 01:21:02,271 with a fuckin' smoking gun, and half my tiles blown out 1650 01:21:02,374 --> 01:21:04,790 in the shower, because he was seeing spiders, 1651 01:21:04,894 --> 01:21:06,447 and he was shooting 'em. 1652 01:21:06,551 --> 01:21:09,450 And I had to replace the whole fuckin' bathroom. 1653 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,563 [Pinkus] The whole Ministry scene was awful for him. 1654 01:21:18,666 --> 01:21:21,255 We would practice, and when Gibby would show up, 1655 01:21:21,359 --> 01:21:24,293 he would be passed out in the door jamb 1656 01:21:24,396 --> 01:21:27,503 in between our studio and out in the hallway. 1657 01:21:27,606 --> 01:21:30,540 So it felt like we were spinning our wheels a lot. 1658 01:21:30,644 --> 01:21:31,990 [sneezes] 1659 01:21:34,855 --> 01:21:37,099 Can you hold this for a second. 1660 01:21:37,202 --> 01:21:40,965 I would say it was probably more mutual than I quit. 1661 01:21:41,068 --> 01:21:43,105 I think those guys were getting sick of me 1662 01:21:43,208 --> 01:21:45,210 not liking what we were doing. 1663 01:21:45,314 --> 01:21:47,212 Gibby asked me, he goes, "What would you like to see happen?" 1664 01:21:47,316 --> 01:21:48,938 And I said, "Let's get back into a room 1665 01:21:49,042 --> 01:21:50,560 and write songs together." 1666 01:21:50,664 --> 01:21:53,425 Because at that time we were all passing 1667 01:21:53,529 --> 01:21:55,911 floppy disks around or whatever. 1668 01:21:59,845 --> 01:22:03,884 And I didn't like the touring options that we had. 1669 01:22:03,988 --> 01:22:05,955 I didn't like us playing the big places. 1670 01:22:06,059 --> 01:22:07,923 Does that show where indie rock is today? 1671 01:22:08,026 --> 01:22:09,752 Guys carrying around $100 bills? 1672 01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:11,167 This isn't indie rock. 1673 01:22:11,271 --> 01:22:13,066 What makes you think this is indie rock? 1674 01:22:13,169 --> 01:22:16,345 - Well, independent worm... - Corporate rock. 1675 01:22:16,448 --> 01:22:19,003 We're booked by William Morris. 1676 01:22:19,106 --> 01:22:20,521 We're on a major label. 1677 01:22:20,625 --> 01:22:23,076 We're as independent as Frank Sinatra. 1678 01:22:23,179 --> 01:22:24,387 [Pinkus] Bands should evolve. 1679 01:22:24,491 --> 01:22:28,046 But I felt we were devolving into something 1680 01:22:28,150 --> 01:22:29,461 that was not as effective 1681 01:22:29,565 --> 01:22:32,050 as when people were right in front of us. 1682 01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:36,158 That kind of closeness. 1683 01:22:36,261 --> 01:22:37,642 They don't know if they're gonna get hurt. 1684 01:22:37,745 --> 01:22:39,920 They don't know if they're gonna catch on fire. 1685 01:22:40,024 --> 01:22:41,646 And it was really a pleasure talking 1686 01:22:41,749 --> 01:22:43,130 to you here, Mr. Ski Cap. 1687 01:22:43,234 --> 01:22:44,614 [interviewer] Doo doo-doo-loo-doo. 1688 01:22:44,718 --> 01:22:45,995 Doo-doo. 1689 01:22:49,585 --> 01:22:53,934 [Depp] Paul was right to have been worried about Gibby. 1690 01:22:54,038 --> 01:23:00,354 I'd already felt that bite of heroin. 1691 01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:04,013 So yeah, Gibby was-- Gibby was using. 1692 01:23:04,807 --> 01:23:08,052 I equate it always with that Dr. Johnson quote. 1693 01:23:08,155 --> 01:23:13,160 "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." 1694 01:23:14,403 --> 01:23:18,786 John Frusciante, Bob Forrest, River Phoenix... 1695 01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:24,171 It's not like none of us didn't understand what we were getting into 1696 01:23:24,275 --> 01:23:29,073 in terms of certain drugs and such. 1697 01:23:29,487 --> 01:23:33,905 It was a bit of a question mark as to... 1698 01:23:34,009 --> 01:23:38,392 the future of the Butthole Surfers and... 1699 01:23:38,496 --> 01:23:42,845 Gibby and I ended up doing a record together. 1700 01:23:42,948 --> 01:23:45,710 And the band was called P. 1701 01:23:45,813 --> 01:23:49,127 ♪ I finally talked to Michael Stipe ♪ 1702 01:23:49,231 --> 01:23:52,268 ♪ He touched me on my arm 1703 01:23:52,372 --> 01:23:54,167 [Devine] Johnny played guitar. 1704 01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:56,341 Gibby obviously did his thing. 1705 01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:59,586 And they were playing a secret gig at the Viper Room. 1706 01:23:59,689 --> 01:24:02,830 [Haynes] River was hanging out with us and everybody 1707 01:24:02,934 --> 01:24:04,591 was doing hard drugs. 1708 01:24:04,694 --> 01:24:09,216 And then we went on stage and the song 1709 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,427 that we were playing had his name in it. 1710 01:24:13,531 --> 01:24:16,258 ♪ Him and River Phoenix 1711 01:24:16,361 --> 01:24:21,815 ♪ Were leaving on the road tomorrow ♪ 1712 01:24:21,918 --> 01:24:25,474 And when we looked down, he wasn't there. And then... 1713 01:24:26,889 --> 01:24:28,994 [reporter] 23-year-old Phoenix collapsed early 1714 01:24:29,098 --> 01:24:31,342 this morning and died a short time later. 1715 01:24:31,445 --> 01:24:34,207 It happened outside a West Hollywood nightclub. 1716 01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:37,210 Phoenix's friends say he had been acting strangely 1717 01:24:37,313 --> 01:24:39,004 shortly before he collapsed. 1718 01:24:39,108 --> 01:24:40,972 I don't know. 1719 01:24:41,421 --> 01:24:44,079 ♪ I finally met old Michael Stipe ♪ 1720 01:24:44,182 --> 01:24:48,497 ♪ I met the girl in his video too ♪ 1721 01:24:53,398 --> 01:24:55,124 [Forrest] So many people looked up to Gibby. 1722 01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:57,022 He could have influence that other people 1723 01:24:57,126 --> 01:24:58,576 couldn't have with these people. 1724 01:24:58,679 --> 01:25:01,337 And sometimes that influence could be good, 1725 01:25:01,441 --> 01:25:03,581 but sometimes it could be bad. 1726 01:25:03,684 --> 01:25:06,342 Gibby had an influence on Kurt Cobain too. 1727 01:25:06,446 --> 01:25:08,620 He could talk to Kurt in certain ways. 1728 01:25:08,724 --> 01:25:12,900 And Kurt was in rehab with Gibby. 1729 01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:16,421 Four days before he died. 1730 01:25:19,424 --> 01:25:22,669 There was an outdoor area with a seven-foot-tall 1731 01:25:22,772 --> 01:25:24,671 cinder block wall around the whole thing. 1732 01:25:24,774 --> 01:25:26,983 And I was alone out there with Kurt. 1733 01:25:27,087 --> 01:25:28,537 I started telling him about how 1734 01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,678 Anthony had been to the rehab 1735 01:25:31,781 --> 01:25:35,164 and he escaped by jumping over the wall. 1736 01:25:35,268 --> 01:25:38,063 Which was really ridiculous because you could just 1737 01:25:38,167 --> 01:25:40,756 go to the front door and go, "See you later." 1738 01:25:40,859 --> 01:25:46,175 And then Kurt left the rehab by jumping over the wall. 1739 01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:49,109 He felt like he failed Kurt, right? 1740 01:25:49,213 --> 01:25:51,663 That he couldn't convince him to stay 1741 01:25:51,767 --> 01:25:55,840 or to just hold on or just not listen to all the chatter. 1742 01:25:55,943 --> 01:25:57,876 And this gets really tragic, 1743 01:25:57,980 --> 01:26:00,500 these two deaths, River and Kurt. 1744 01:26:00,603 --> 01:26:05,746 I think Gibby carries a lot of that sadness, that tragedy, 1745 01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:08,853 because he did have a lot of influence on people. 1746 01:26:08,956 --> 01:26:13,202 That's probably his lowest point, that kind of era. 1747 01:26:13,306 --> 01:26:15,929 And ironically, it's when he has the hit song too. 1748 01:26:18,725 --> 01:26:20,244 Hi, I'm Kurt Loder with MTV News. 1749 01:26:20,347 --> 01:26:22,522 After 15 years of semi-underground renown, 1750 01:26:22,625 --> 01:26:24,627 Austin's Butthole Surfers have scored a commercial hit 1751 01:26:24,731 --> 01:26:26,802 with their single "Pepper" off the group's new album 1752 01:26:26,905 --> 01:26:28,010 Electriclarryland. 1753 01:26:28,113 --> 01:26:31,220 ["Pepper" by Butthole Surfers] 1754 01:26:31,324 --> 01:26:33,705 Really catapulted them in the mainstream. 1755 01:26:33,809 --> 01:26:35,569 Like I don't think anybody would have 1756 01:26:35,673 --> 01:26:37,157 ever imagined could happen. 1757 01:26:37,261 --> 01:26:40,160 Please welcome Butthole Surfers, kids. 1758 01:26:40,264 --> 01:26:42,990 ♪ I don't mind the sun sometimes ♪ 1759 01:26:43,094 --> 01:26:45,924 ♪ The images it shows 1760 01:26:46,028 --> 01:26:48,548 ♪ I can taste you on my lips 1761 01:26:48,651 --> 01:26:51,413 ♪ And smell you in my clothes 1762 01:26:51,516 --> 01:26:53,069 [Leary] We were in this studio 1763 01:26:53,173 --> 01:26:55,071 and Gibby came up with all those lyrics. 1764 01:26:55,175 --> 01:26:56,832 I remember him sitting in the other room 1765 01:26:56,935 --> 01:26:58,523 coming up with lyrics. 1766 01:26:58,627 --> 01:27:00,594 [Haynes] The lyrics were about my friends from high school 1767 01:27:00,698 --> 01:27:03,908 who died or were, you know, injured horribly. 1768 01:27:04,011 --> 01:27:06,393 ♪ Tommy played piano like a kid out in the rain ♪ 1769 01:27:06,497 --> 01:27:08,257 ♪ And then he lost his leg in Dallas ♪ 1770 01:27:08,361 --> 01:27:09,741 ♪ He was dancing with a train ♪ 1771 01:27:09,845 --> 01:27:11,260 This is the trestle 1772 01:27:11,364 --> 01:27:13,400 right next to Lake Highlands High School. 1773 01:27:13,504 --> 01:27:16,403 "Tommy played piano like a kid out in the rain, 1774 01:27:16,507 --> 01:27:19,613 "he lost his leg in Dallas, he was dancing with a train," 1775 01:27:19,717 --> 01:27:21,581 well, he was a friend of Gibby's 1776 01:27:21,684 --> 01:27:24,929 and he was in a blackout one night. 1777 01:27:25,516 --> 01:27:30,003 Wandering around the trestle here and was hit by a train. 1778 01:27:32,143 --> 01:27:33,351 They called me in to do a solo, 1779 01:27:33,455 --> 01:27:35,146 guitar solo on that record. 1780 01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:37,217 And so I went in there and Gibby was still 1781 01:27:37,321 --> 01:27:38,736 singing lyrics, so I waited and waited, 1782 01:27:38,839 --> 01:27:41,256 and I think I waited like six freaking hours. 1783 01:27:41,635 --> 01:27:43,292 And finally it's done. It's like, okay, it's time. 1784 01:27:43,396 --> 01:27:46,606 And we're out of time, you get one take. 1785 01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:49,056 And then Gibby comes in after it's all done. 1786 01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,334 And he hated it. 1787 01:27:50,437 --> 01:27:51,645 And I can remember, it was like, 1788 01:27:51,749 --> 01:27:53,233 okay, Gibby, it's cracked the top ten. 1789 01:27:53,337 --> 01:27:55,442 Do you like the song now? And he goes, "No." 1790 01:27:55,546 --> 01:27:57,755 Okay, Gibby, it's number one. Now are you happy? 1791 01:27:57,858 --> 01:28:00,689 He's like, "No, it should have been number one-half." 1792 01:28:00,792 --> 01:28:02,173 [laughs] 1793 01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,795 You all right? Thank you very much. 1794 01:28:03,899 --> 01:28:05,797 Butthole Surfers, kids. 1795 01:28:06,246 --> 01:28:07,730 I kind of feel bad about that. 1796 01:28:07,834 --> 01:28:11,009 Yeah, that he thinks I didn't like that song. 1797 01:28:11,596 --> 01:28:16,394 That's-- I don't know how to respond to that. 1798 01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:19,570 It's like a marriage. 1799 01:28:21,675 --> 01:28:24,989 It takes a lot to keep a marriage going. 1800 01:28:26,266 --> 01:28:27,992 [Leary] You know, we weren't cut out 1801 01:28:28,095 --> 01:28:29,683 for major label, I don't think. 1802 01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:31,892 We were signed by Hale Milgram, 1803 01:28:31,996 --> 01:28:34,688 who was a real music guy and a swell guy. 1804 01:28:34,792 --> 01:28:37,208 And then shortly after he signed, he's gone. 1805 01:28:37,312 --> 01:28:38,761 And in comes Gary Gersh. 1806 01:28:38,865 --> 01:28:40,901 And Gary Gersh didn't know what to do with us. 1807 01:28:41,005 --> 01:28:43,525 So they kind of left us alone to our own thing. 1808 01:28:43,628 --> 01:28:44,974 And then we came out with "Pepper" 1809 01:28:45,078 --> 01:28:46,286 and had a number one hit. 1810 01:28:46,390 --> 01:28:48,461 Gary Gersh calls us up to his office 1811 01:28:48,564 --> 01:28:50,359 to celebrate the gold record. 1812 01:28:50,463 --> 01:28:52,050 And he goes, "Hi, I'm Gary Gersh. 1813 01:28:52,154 --> 01:28:53,328 I just want to let you know 1814 01:28:53,431 --> 01:28:55,053 I really appreciate what you do." 1815 01:28:55,157 --> 01:28:56,365 I was like, wow. 1816 01:28:56,469 --> 01:28:58,091 This guy's all right after all, you know, 1817 01:28:58,194 --> 01:28:59,541 that's pretty cool. 1818 01:28:59,644 --> 01:29:01,094 You know, I was feeling all good about myself. 1819 01:29:01,197 --> 01:29:02,716 And then about five minutes later, 1820 01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:05,029 he comes over to me again and goes, "Hi, I'm Gary Gersh. 1821 01:29:05,132 --> 01:29:06,306 I just want you to know 1822 01:29:06,410 --> 01:29:08,343 I really appreciate what you do." 1823 01:29:08,446 --> 01:29:10,862 Oh, okay. 1824 01:29:12,899 --> 01:29:16,937 Next thing I know, you know, they're done with us. 1825 01:29:17,041 --> 01:29:19,423 Capitol Records held us hostage, saying, 1826 01:29:19,526 --> 01:29:21,217 "We're not going to release your next record," 1827 01:29:21,321 --> 01:29:22,840 nor would they release us. 1828 01:29:22,943 --> 01:29:24,738 So we were trapped. 1829 01:29:24,842 --> 01:29:26,775 Then they, like, sat on us and smothered us for years. 1830 01:29:26,878 --> 01:29:29,087 Those were the worst days of our lives. 1831 01:29:29,191 --> 01:29:32,539 [Coffey] Thankfully, Hollywood came to the rescue 1832 01:29:32,643 --> 01:29:34,714 and, like, bought our contract off Capitol 1833 01:29:34,817 --> 01:29:37,648 and released the record we were working on, 1834 01:29:37,751 --> 01:29:41,652 what would become the Weird Revolution. 1835 01:29:41,755 --> 01:29:44,448 ♪ I love the girls and the money ♪ 1836 01:29:44,551 --> 01:29:46,898 ♪ And the shame of life 1837 01:29:47,002 --> 01:29:50,212 "Shame Of Life," I didn't have anything to do 1838 01:29:50,315 --> 01:29:51,455 with the writing of that song. 1839 01:29:51,558 --> 01:29:52,697 That was Gibby. 1840 01:29:52,801 --> 01:29:54,975 [gunshots] 1841 01:29:55,079 --> 01:29:56,977 - Have a terrific day. - [Leary] And Kid Rock. 1842 01:29:57,081 --> 01:30:00,256 ♪ Kid Rock's my motherfucking name, bitch ♪ 1843 01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,431 ♪ You know me, so pass the OE ♪ 1844 01:30:02,535 --> 01:30:03,846 I've never worked with Kid. 1845 01:30:03,950 --> 01:30:05,676 [director] Didn't he do that song with you? 1846 01:30:05,779 --> 01:30:07,436 Nope. I never worked with Kid Rock. 1847 01:30:07,540 --> 01:30:08,920 [director] Why am I thinking that? 1848 01:30:09,024 --> 01:30:10,301 I don't know. 1849 01:30:10,405 --> 01:30:11,751 [director] I think Gibby wants to write 1850 01:30:11,854 --> 01:30:13,200 the Kid Rock thing out of history. 1851 01:30:13,304 --> 01:30:15,548 I can get behind that. 1852 01:30:17,964 --> 01:30:21,139 Gibby just was in no state of mind 1853 01:30:21,243 --> 01:30:23,832 to make a record, I don't think. 1854 01:30:24,557 --> 01:30:27,352 [director] I gotta ask some questions 1855 01:30:27,456 --> 01:30:28,906 about unpleasant shit. 1856 01:30:29,009 --> 01:30:29,941 Which would be what? 1857 01:30:30,045 --> 01:30:32,565 [director] Well, you know, drug problems. 1858 01:30:33,462 --> 01:30:34,808 Yeah, yeah. 1859 01:30:34,912 --> 01:30:36,534 [director] Like, how do you look back 1860 01:30:36,638 --> 01:30:40,124 on all that stuff now? 1861 01:30:44,059 --> 01:30:46,820 [static buzz] 1862 01:30:48,443 --> 01:30:50,824 [Coffey] Saying that his drug problem destroyed the band 1863 01:30:50,928 --> 01:30:52,930 is probably a bit much. To be honest, 1864 01:30:53,033 --> 01:30:58,280 at that point, the band had been going on for a long time. 1865 01:30:58,383 --> 01:31:01,525 The ship might have not had anywhere to really go. 1866 01:31:01,628 --> 01:31:04,286 You know, maybe drugs were a product 1867 01:31:04,389 --> 01:31:07,462 of things being expired. 1868 01:31:07,565 --> 01:31:10,672 [Leary] I saw the writing on the wall early, 1869 01:31:10,775 --> 01:31:13,847 and that's why I started producing. 1870 01:31:13,951 --> 01:31:16,712 Like, you know, I need an escape hatch. 1871 01:31:16,816 --> 01:31:20,509 Then Paul gets to, like, go on to produce. 1872 01:31:20,613 --> 01:31:22,407 Like, he did that, like, the Sublime record. 1873 01:31:22,511 --> 01:31:25,169 ♪ Early in the morning 1874 01:31:25,272 --> 01:31:27,654 ♪ Rising to the street 1875 01:31:27,758 --> 01:31:30,001 ♪ Light me up that cigarette ♪ 1876 01:31:30,105 --> 01:31:32,763 ♪ And I strap shoes on my feet ♪ 1877 01:31:32,866 --> 01:31:35,490 ♪ Got to find a reason 1878 01:31:35,593 --> 01:31:37,871 ♪ Reason things went wrong 1879 01:31:37,975 --> 01:31:40,564 ♪ Got to find a reason why 1880 01:31:40,667 --> 01:31:42,980 ♪ My money's all gone 1881 01:31:43,670 --> 01:31:46,086 [director] That was a big thing in your life? 1882 01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:48,399 Yeah, that was my lottery. 1883 01:31:48,503 --> 01:31:49,745 I love the studio. 1884 01:31:49,849 --> 01:31:52,127 That's the one place where I can control 1885 01:31:52,230 --> 01:31:56,234 what's going on and once I step out the door. 1886 01:31:56,338 --> 01:32:00,169 [♪ upbeat music] 1887 01:32:04,001 --> 01:32:06,624 During the making of our last album, 1888 01:32:06,728 --> 01:32:08,039 we were trying to make it work, 1889 01:32:08,143 --> 01:32:09,869 and we were in pretty good spirits. 1890 01:32:09,972 --> 01:32:11,940 He came into the control room and just started 1891 01:32:12,043 --> 01:32:13,700 chewing me out in front of everybody. 1892 01:32:13,804 --> 01:32:15,530 Our manager was there at the time, 1893 01:32:15,633 --> 01:32:18,429 and he was like, "Don't you leave on me!" 1894 01:32:18,533 --> 01:32:20,051 I thought he was going to beat me up, 1895 01:32:20,155 --> 01:32:24,193 and I had no earthly idea what I had done. 1896 01:32:24,297 --> 01:32:26,264 [director] But what if he said, you know, 1897 01:32:26,368 --> 01:32:27,749 "I'm sorry about last time, 1898 01:32:27,852 --> 01:32:29,613 but can you give me another chance?" 1899 01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:31,097 That's hard to imagine. 1900 01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:32,685 He's not an apologizer. 1901 01:32:34,031 --> 01:32:35,619 [director] Has he never apologized? 1902 01:32:35,722 --> 01:32:38,000 I can't remember a time. 1903 01:32:40,278 --> 01:32:43,799 I never thought about what regret means very much, 1904 01:32:43,903 --> 01:32:47,182 other than I've sure had plenty of them. 1905 01:32:47,285 --> 01:32:49,805 I was definitely not the son my mother wanted. 1906 01:32:49,909 --> 01:32:52,325 And I still feel bad about that. 1907 01:32:52,428 --> 01:32:55,224 She took down the pictures of me around the house, 1908 01:32:55,328 --> 01:32:57,330 you know, to where there was no more pictures 1909 01:32:57,433 --> 01:33:00,022 of her son anywhere. 1910 01:33:00,126 --> 01:33:02,680 And if her friends asked how I was doing, 1911 01:33:02,784 --> 01:33:05,441 she just wouldn't say anything. 1912 01:33:05,545 --> 01:33:09,031 [director] That's got to hurt. 1913 01:33:09,135 --> 01:33:13,553 It did a little bit, but I deserved it, you know. 1914 01:33:13,657 --> 01:33:16,383 I was a disappointment to myself, too. 1915 01:33:22,182 --> 01:33:27,878 And she died before we had a number one hit song. 1916 01:33:27,981 --> 01:33:30,397 - [director] Well, right-- - Right as it was breaking. 1917 01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:32,883 But by then she was in the hospital. 1918 01:33:32,986 --> 01:33:34,678 [director] And she couldn't really-- 1919 01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:39,199 No, she had other things on her mind at that point. 1920 01:33:40,718 --> 01:33:42,720 We probably should have walked away for a while. 1921 01:33:42,824 --> 01:33:45,827 We should have let Gibby get some help. 1922 01:33:45,930 --> 01:33:48,830 We should have let Paul process, 1923 01:33:48,933 --> 01:33:50,555 you know, his mom dying. 1924 01:33:50,659 --> 01:33:53,628 You know, there's a lot. 1925 01:33:57,010 --> 01:33:59,219 I can remember, you know, not seeing Gibby for a while. 1926 01:33:59,323 --> 01:34:01,359 Suddenly there's a knock on my front door, 1927 01:34:01,463 --> 01:34:03,016 and it was Gibby. 1928 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:04,984 And I was just shocked as hell to see him, you know? 1929 01:34:05,087 --> 01:34:08,021 And he walks in and he looked like a skeleton. 1930 01:34:08,125 --> 01:34:09,713 I could see his pants and his shirt, 1931 01:34:09,816 --> 01:34:11,680 but I couldn't see anything underneath it, you know, 1932 01:34:11,784 --> 01:34:13,199 it was just like a skeleton. 1933 01:34:13,302 --> 01:34:15,822 And he was hungry, and he asked if I had any food. 1934 01:34:15,926 --> 01:34:17,928 And I said, well, you're welcome to whatever I've got. 1935 01:34:18,031 --> 01:34:19,688 And he went over the refrigerator and he was 1936 01:34:19,792 --> 01:34:22,587 literally eating ketchup out of the bottle. 1937 01:34:23,105 --> 01:34:25,073 And I just thought at that point, I was like, 1938 01:34:25,176 --> 01:34:28,145 man, this guy's not going to last much longer. 1939 01:34:33,806 --> 01:34:37,223 [director] Can you name artists that were influences on you? 1940 01:34:38,673 --> 01:34:40,226 Got to go with Neil Young. 1941 01:34:40,329 --> 01:34:42,607 [director] Neil Young. So what about Neil Young? 1942 01:34:42,711 --> 01:34:44,782 What spoke to you about him? 1943 01:34:44,886 --> 01:34:47,820 A record, Tonight's the Night. 1944 01:34:48,372 --> 01:34:50,201 Friend of mine who knows him really well, 1945 01:34:50,305 --> 01:34:51,789 I was talking to him today, and he goes, 1946 01:34:51,893 --> 01:34:54,930 he said, Neil's kind of scary. 1947 01:34:55,034 --> 01:34:56,483 [laughs] 1948 01:34:56,587 --> 01:35:00,764 ["Tired Eyes" by Neil Young] 1949 01:35:00,867 --> 01:35:04,077 ♪ Well, he shot four men in a cocaine deal ♪ 1950 01:35:09,393 --> 01:35:12,396 ♪ And he left 'em lying in an open field ♪ 1951 01:35:12,499 --> 01:35:14,674 [director] Why did he love that record so much? 1952 01:35:14,778 --> 01:35:18,471 Oh, he used to, like, sing and quote 1953 01:35:18,574 --> 01:35:22,647 the: "Tell me more, tell me more, tell me more. 1954 01:35:22,751 --> 01:35:27,307 Was he a heavy doper or was he just a loser? 1955 01:35:27,411 --> 01:35:30,379 He was a friend of yours." He used to quote that. 1956 01:35:30,483 --> 01:35:33,900 ♪ Well, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more ♪ 1957 01:35:34,004 --> 01:35:37,870 ♪ I mean, was he a heavy doper or ♪ 1958 01:35:42,737 --> 01:35:44,946 ♪ Was he just a loser? 1959 01:35:45,049 --> 01:35:47,500 He tried to do his best but-- That's another one 1960 01:35:47,603 --> 01:35:51,642 he used to say, "He tried to do his best but he could not." 1961 01:35:51,746 --> 01:35:54,783 ♪ Tried to do his best 1962 01:35:54,887 --> 01:35:57,165 ♪ But he could not 1963 01:36:06,484 --> 01:36:08,832 What's your earliest memory? 1964 01:36:13,595 --> 01:36:15,355 Uh... 1965 01:36:17,633 --> 01:36:20,809 My earliest memory, 1966 01:36:20,913 --> 01:36:23,778 at least one of them, is... 1967 01:36:26,746 --> 01:36:29,714 on Modlin Street. 1968 01:36:29,818 --> 01:36:32,821 Imagine that, Modlin Street in Dallas, Texas. 1969 01:36:32,925 --> 01:36:35,824 And I was probably... 1970 01:36:35,928 --> 01:36:40,242 ...four. I was in between our houses. 1971 01:36:41,209 --> 01:36:44,384 And our next-door neighbor 1972 01:36:44,488 --> 01:36:46,731 made me pull down my pants and he tried 1973 01:36:46,835 --> 01:36:49,355 to stick a Barbie doll up my ass. 1974 01:36:50,735 --> 01:36:52,530 He was stronger than me. 1975 01:36:54,463 --> 01:36:56,465 I didn't know what to do. 1976 01:37:07,442 --> 01:37:12,343 There was neighborhood awareness of this creep. 1977 01:37:12,447 --> 01:37:13,897 - There was? - Yeah. 1978 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,691 [director] Wait, you didn't tell your parents? 1979 01:37:15,795 --> 01:37:17,245 - I was four years old. - [director] Right. 1980 01:37:17,348 --> 01:37:18,625 I didn't know what happened to me. 1981 01:37:18,729 --> 01:37:20,282 Dude next door, 1982 01:37:20,386 --> 01:37:23,044 he came and fucking stuck a Barbie doll up my ass 1983 01:37:23,147 --> 01:37:25,322 and then fucked me with his cock. 1984 01:37:26,461 --> 01:37:28,428 You can't help yourself. 1985 01:37:28,532 --> 01:37:29,671 [laughing] 1986 01:37:29,774 --> 01:37:32,605 Like, we only started talking 1987 01:37:32,708 --> 01:37:36,160 about real life once we got sober 1988 01:37:36,264 --> 01:37:39,819 and you joke about it a lot with the Barbie doll thing. 1989 01:37:39,923 --> 01:37:41,510 You know, you make light of it. 1990 01:37:41,614 --> 01:37:43,719 - You make light of it. - It's kind of funny. 1991 01:37:43,823 --> 01:37:46,239 We use humor to deflect, Bob. 1992 01:37:46,343 --> 01:37:50,071 But what does humor and shocking people do? 1993 01:37:50,174 --> 01:37:51,935 It gets you attention. 1994 01:37:52,038 --> 01:37:54,247 [Forrest] Gets you attention and keeps people away. 1995 01:37:57,043 --> 01:37:59,149 We found the place. 1996 01:37:59,252 --> 01:38:02,842 Yeah. In between the two houses. 1997 01:38:02,946 --> 01:38:04,430 [Forrest] And this is going on. 1998 01:38:04,533 --> 01:38:05,569 You're not making a sound? 1999 01:38:05,672 --> 01:38:06,846 You're not making any sound. 2000 01:38:06,950 --> 01:38:09,953 I was the dumb-- I was silent. 2001 01:38:13,922 --> 01:38:16,373 [laughs] 2002 01:38:20,549 --> 01:38:22,275 Uh... 2003 01:38:23,863 --> 01:38:28,454 - Like out of body. - For sure. 2004 01:38:31,906 --> 01:38:34,978 I could see my face. 2005 01:38:38,843 --> 01:38:41,053 [sighs, clears throat] 2006 01:38:43,641 --> 01:38:46,023 And that Wire song. 2007 01:38:46,817 --> 01:38:51,649 Screaming rape really loud for some reason resonated with me. 2008 01:38:52,409 --> 01:38:56,033 [singing] 2009 01:38:59,243 --> 01:39:03,661 And like, sometimes I'll just cling to a lyric, like a line, 2010 01:39:03,765 --> 01:39:06,423 I just isolate. 2011 01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:17,641 [Haynes] And I think that maybe my parents saw a profound change in me 2012 01:39:17,744 --> 01:39:20,299 and thought that maybe something might have happened 2013 01:39:20,402 --> 01:39:24,372 because when I was a child, I would scream out for my father 2014 01:39:24,475 --> 01:39:27,962 to, like, bring me a glass of water. 2015 01:39:28,065 --> 01:39:30,033 I did that, like, serially. 2016 01:39:30,136 --> 01:39:33,760 "Daddy, I want a glass of water." 2017 01:39:33,864 --> 01:39:36,867 And what would he do? He'd come in and be gentle and kind and... 2018 01:39:36,971 --> 01:39:38,627 Yeah, yeah. 2019 01:39:40,664 --> 01:39:43,494 [groans, sniffles] 2020 01:39:44,564 --> 01:39:46,566 I'm sorry what happened. 2021 01:39:46,670 --> 01:39:48,258 It's awful. 2022 01:39:50,570 --> 01:39:56,300 [♪ upbeat music] 2023 01:40:09,382 --> 01:40:11,626 The relationship between you and Paul changed 2024 01:40:11,729 --> 01:40:12,972 because you went to L.A. 2025 01:40:13,076 --> 01:40:15,319 Is that fair to say? 2026 01:40:16,389 --> 01:40:18,012 Well... 2027 01:40:18,115 --> 01:40:19,461 It sounds like this is the first time 2028 01:40:19,565 --> 01:40:22,809 you're hearing that Paul felt abandoned. 2029 01:40:22,913 --> 01:40:25,157 [indistinct chatter] 2030 01:40:25,260 --> 01:40:29,506 David Morgan, he's... [indistinct] 2031 01:40:35,477 --> 01:40:37,169 [Forrest] Tom, here's the thing. 2032 01:40:37,272 --> 01:40:39,378 I don't think he's talked about this stuff. 2033 01:40:39,481 --> 01:40:41,414 You're probably going to need to get other people to talk 2034 01:40:41,518 --> 01:40:43,140 about the kind side of him. 2035 01:40:43,244 --> 01:40:44,900 He doesn't understand it. 2036 01:40:45,004 --> 01:40:47,489 [laughing] 2037 01:40:47,593 --> 01:40:48,663 Anyway. 2038 01:40:48,766 --> 01:40:49,871 I feel close, close to you. 2039 01:40:49,974 --> 01:40:51,873 So does John, so does Paul. 2040 01:40:51,976 --> 01:40:53,392 A lot of people feel close to you. 2041 01:40:53,495 --> 01:40:55,601 Do you feel close to them? 2042 01:40:55,704 --> 01:40:56,981 - Yeah. - [Forrest] Okay. 2043 01:40:57,085 --> 01:40:58,500 Yeah. 2044 01:40:58,604 --> 01:41:00,364 - No, I love my peoples. - Maybe you need to call Paul 2045 01:41:00,468 --> 01:41:02,297 and tell him you love him. 2046 01:41:02,401 --> 01:41:05,128 - Aw! - You do. You do. 2047 01:41:05,231 --> 01:41:10,788 [♪ upbeat music] 2048 01:41:18,037 --> 01:41:22,490 I feel like I'm a survivor in that... 2049 01:41:22,593 --> 01:41:25,596 I became a father. 2050 01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:27,184 - Hey, buddy. - Hey. 2051 01:41:27,288 --> 01:41:32,051 It's my buddy. It's my buddy, Satchel. 2052 01:41:32,155 --> 01:41:34,847 Gibby really should be a dead man, 2053 01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:36,607 but because he met Missy, 2054 01:41:36,711 --> 01:41:39,990 because he had a son, it gave him a reason to want to live. 2055 01:41:40,094 --> 01:41:42,165 Otherwise he'd be another rock star 2056 01:41:42,268 --> 01:41:43,787 who partied too hard and died. 2057 01:41:43,890 --> 01:41:47,101 What do you know about my career as a rock star? 2058 01:41:47,204 --> 01:41:48,585 Not much. 2059 01:41:48,688 --> 01:41:50,034 [laughs] 2060 01:41:50,138 --> 01:41:52,209 [Haynes] I never thought that I'd be capable 2061 01:41:52,313 --> 01:41:53,762 of being a good parent. 2062 01:41:53,866 --> 01:41:55,109 But I'm a good daddy. 2063 01:41:55,212 --> 01:41:59,561 ♪ God shed his grace on thee ♪ 2064 01:41:59,665 --> 01:42:02,046 [Coffey] There's a lot to be said for maturing. 2065 01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:04,325 Gibby was really volatile 2066 01:42:04,428 --> 01:42:07,500 and really angry as a younger man. 2067 01:42:07,604 --> 01:42:11,470 ♪ From sea to shining sea 2068 01:42:11,573 --> 01:42:12,850 Dad, you're a horrible singer. 2069 01:42:12,954 --> 01:42:14,197 [Haynes] That's the point. 2070 01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:16,820 I think as an older man and with a family, 2071 01:42:16,923 --> 01:42:18,201 I think he's found some peace. 2072 01:42:18,304 --> 01:42:21,445 - [director] Ah, Jesus! - [laughs] 2073 01:42:22,308 --> 01:42:24,448 That's my hope at least. 2074 01:42:27,244 --> 01:42:30,282 But Gibby isn't the only one who's found happiness. 2075 01:42:30,385 --> 01:42:33,285 [Leary] I became happy when I met my wife, Susan. 2076 01:42:33,388 --> 01:42:35,183 I just never thought I could be a happy person. 2077 01:42:35,287 --> 01:42:37,703 I didn't even know what it really was. 2078 01:42:37,806 --> 01:42:39,981 I've always wanted to be normal, and I've always been 2079 01:42:40,084 --> 01:42:43,122 looking for normalcy until I met her. 2080 01:42:43,226 --> 01:42:44,951 And she's kind of normal. 2081 01:42:45,055 --> 01:42:46,470 This is my puzzle. 2082 01:42:46,574 --> 01:42:50,578 I've spent two months trying to accomplish this. 2083 01:42:50,681 --> 01:42:53,374 She's able to put up with me and keep me 2084 01:42:53,477 --> 01:42:55,859 straight and not too goofy. 2085 01:42:55,962 --> 01:42:59,621 [Susan] Paul's a born dog lover, but I was a cat owner. 2086 01:42:59,725 --> 01:43:02,245 So now Paul realizes how wonderful a cat can be. 2087 01:43:02,348 --> 01:43:04,661 We are very happy together. 2088 01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:12,979 [Coffey] I met Craig in 1991. 2089 01:43:13,083 --> 01:43:14,981 He and I had talked about marriage 2090 01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:17,260 and I'm just kind of taking a punk rock approach, 2091 01:43:17,363 --> 01:43:19,262 saying we didn't need a document. 2092 01:43:19,365 --> 01:43:21,125 We considered ourselves married. 2093 01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:22,989 That was enough. 2094 01:43:23,093 --> 01:43:26,027 It wasn't till Craig became diagnosed 2095 01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:29,203 with a ultimately fatal brain disease 2096 01:43:29,306 --> 01:43:32,965 and that I realized legally I am-- 2097 01:43:34,932 --> 01:43:36,555 That I'm... 2098 01:43:36,658 --> 01:43:40,490 just his roommate, just a friend. 2099 01:43:42,285 --> 01:43:44,563 Unless we get married. 2100 01:43:44,977 --> 01:43:46,772 At that particular window, 2101 01:43:46,875 --> 01:43:49,913 one could not get gay married in Texas. 2102 01:43:50,016 --> 01:43:51,673 It was a hassle, it really was. 2103 01:43:51,777 --> 01:43:53,227 But we found a way to get married. 2104 01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:55,401 By the time we got back to Texas, 2105 01:43:55,505 --> 01:43:58,335 we were kind of married under federal law, 2106 01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,682 but under Texas law, we weren't. 2107 01:44:00,786 --> 01:44:05,135 I love Texas. I'm Texan. I love being here. 2108 01:44:05,239 --> 01:44:07,862 [♪ somber music] 2109 01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:14,800 But it hurts. 2110 01:44:14,903 --> 01:44:18,597 I know Craig would be here for me and I'm here for him, 2111 01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:23,049 but it's been incredibly hard to watch somewhat decay. 2112 01:44:25,811 --> 01:44:29,849 [Nervosa] I guess I should take this opportunity 2113 01:44:29,953 --> 01:44:34,233 to say that I've recently been diagnosed 2114 01:44:34,337 --> 01:44:39,376 with end-stage lung disease. 2115 01:44:40,895 --> 01:44:44,830 I loved smoking cigarettes and every pack 2116 01:44:44,933 --> 01:44:46,935 says that it'll kill you. 2117 01:44:47,039 --> 01:44:48,316 I'm not stupid. 2118 01:44:48,420 --> 01:44:52,665 I knew what I was doing and I'm fine with it. 2119 01:44:55,841 --> 01:45:00,949 And I'm so blessed to have so many good friends 2120 01:45:01,053 --> 01:45:05,506 and to have been able to live such a cool life 2121 01:45:05,609 --> 01:45:07,784 and all the people I got to meet 2122 01:45:07,887 --> 01:45:12,064 and the shows we got to play, it was all worth it. 2123 01:45:14,791 --> 01:45:19,968 King is the most Zen Buddhist guy I ever met in my life. 2124 01:45:20,486 --> 01:45:23,834 I did come to believe that he was my brother 2125 01:45:23,938 --> 01:45:27,424 and he was my leader. 2126 01:45:28,322 --> 01:45:31,739 Paul is like a solid guy. 2127 01:45:31,842 --> 01:45:35,294 I can't believe I got to play drums in a band 2128 01:45:35,398 --> 01:45:37,883 with a guy that can play guitar like that. 2129 01:45:37,986 --> 01:45:40,506 That's fucking outrageous. 2130 01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:42,612 ♪ Sittin' in a disco 2131 01:45:42,715 --> 01:45:44,130 [Nervosa] Pinkus is funny. 2132 01:45:44,234 --> 01:45:46,201 I think of him as like, 2133 01:45:46,305 --> 01:45:49,653 the only bass player we ever found 2134 01:45:49,757 --> 01:45:51,586 that would put up with us. 2135 01:45:52,691 --> 01:45:55,763 I love Gibby Haynes. 2136 01:45:55,866 --> 01:45:59,836 He's the funniest 2137 01:45:59,939 --> 01:46:03,218 person I ever met. 2138 01:46:03,322 --> 01:46:05,738 I love him with all my heart. 2139 01:46:06,981 --> 01:46:10,709 I always have and I always will. 2140 01:46:11,434 --> 01:46:14,816 [♪ soft music] 2141 01:46:44,398 --> 01:46:46,434 You look great, dude! 2142 01:46:48,194 --> 01:46:49,541 - Hug this out. - All right. 2143 01:46:49,644 --> 01:46:51,059 You brought the-- You brought the-- 2144 01:46:51,163 --> 01:46:52,475 Yeah, the thing-ulele. 2145 01:46:52,578 --> 01:46:54,408 Yeah. Might as well. It's a recording studio. 2146 01:46:54,511 --> 01:46:55,823 The last person to play those drums 2147 01:46:55,926 --> 01:46:58,757 was Teresa on that tour we did. 2148 01:47:02,036 --> 01:47:05,557 It's a 125 and he whittled out the nut and set it up. 2149 01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:09,215 ♪ The continent of Atlantis was an island ♪ 2150 01:47:09,319 --> 01:47:11,390 ♪ So great an area of land 2151 01:47:11,494 --> 01:47:13,427 ♪ That from her western shores ♪ 2152 01:47:13,530 --> 01:47:16,395 ♪ Those beautiful sailors journeyed ♪ 2153 01:47:16,499 --> 01:47:18,811 ♪ To all corners of the earth ♪ 2154 01:47:18,915 --> 01:47:23,851 ♪ Let us rejoice, let us sing and dance ♪ 2155 01:47:23,954 --> 01:47:28,165 ♪ Ringing anew Hail Atlantis ♪ 2156 01:47:29,304 --> 01:47:31,617 ♪ Way down 2157 01:47:31,721 --> 01:47:35,966 ♪ Below the ocean 2158 01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:41,938 ♪ Where I wanna be she may be ♪ 2159 01:47:45,424 --> 01:47:46,805 Nyuck, nyuck. 2160 01:47:47,219 --> 01:47:49,911 ["Perry" by Butthole Surfers] 2161 01:47:59,196 --> 01:48:04,408 ♪ Hello, Perry 2162 01:48:04,823 --> 01:48:10,932 ♪ You think you're so fucking scary ♪ 2163 01:48:12,865 --> 01:48:15,074 It's about coming of age. 2164 01:48:15,178 --> 01:48:17,042 It's about learning how to do it. 2165 01:48:17,145 --> 01:48:19,907 It's about learning how to experience things the way 2166 01:48:20,010 --> 01:48:21,736 they ought to be experienced. 2167 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,945 It's about growing up. 2168 01:48:24,049 --> 01:48:27,086 It's about digging the shit off the floors. 2169 01:48:27,190 --> 01:48:30,020 It's about doing the things that you ought to do. 2170 01:48:30,124 --> 01:48:32,816 It's about being a butthole surfer. 2171 01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,716 It's about doing promotional work. 2172 01:48:35,819 --> 01:48:37,890 It's about-- It's about PR. 2173 01:48:37,994 --> 01:48:40,168 It's about all these things. 2174 01:48:40,272 --> 01:48:41,756 It's about loving yourself. 2175 01:48:41,860 --> 01:48:43,309 It's about loving your mum. 2176 01:48:43,413 --> 01:48:45,173 It's about loving your dad. 2177 01:48:45,277 --> 01:48:46,830 It's about doing the things. 2178 01:48:46,934 --> 01:48:48,798 It's about going to the go kart track. 2179 01:48:48,901 --> 01:48:50,524 It's about loving everything. 2180 01:48:50,627 --> 01:48:53,527 Your pop, your kitty, all the things. 2181 01:48:53,630 --> 01:48:55,874 The cat food, the little bits of crayons, 2182 01:48:55,977 --> 01:48:58,946 the melted pieces, the loving friends, 2183 01:48:59,049 --> 01:49:01,017 all the things you wish you had. 2184 01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,846 You're gonna make either a right 2185 01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:05,055 or a left or you're gonna go straight. 2186 01:49:06,505 --> 01:49:08,196 Yeah. [laughs]