1 00:00:08,274 --> 00:00:10,742 - Two young women chasing fame... 2 00:00:10,811 --> 00:00:13,212 - Nikki was never not going to go to new york. 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,147 That was, for her, the mecca. 4 00:00:16,149 --> 00:00:17,883 - Brittany, she always had this energy. 5 00:00:17,951 --> 00:00:19,718 She was crazy with dreams. 6 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:21,853 - Dragged into a times square nightmare... 7 00:00:21,922 --> 00:00:25,791 - It was very dangerous. It was a dangerous place to be. 8 00:00:25,859 --> 00:00:27,593 [suspenseful music] 9 00:00:27,661 --> 00:00:30,595 - My boys didn't like him. My husband didn't like him. 10 00:00:30,597 --> 00:00:33,031 - He could be abusive to her, 11 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:35,534 Not only verbally, but physically. 12 00:00:35,602 --> 00:00:37,903 - That ends in a brutal double murder. 13 00:00:37,971 --> 00:00:39,604 - There's a body submerged in the tub, 14 00:00:39,673 --> 00:00:42,774 And there was nikki, deceased on the bed. 15 00:00:42,843 --> 00:00:44,676 - Detectives race across new york city... 16 00:00:44,745 --> 00:00:46,879 - Handwritten directions lead to 17 00:00:46,947 --> 00:00:48,514 Brittany and nikki's apartment. 18 00:00:48,582 --> 00:00:50,181 - To track a mystery phone call. 19 00:00:50,183 --> 00:00:51,583 [phone rings] 20 00:00:51,652 --> 00:00:52,885 - Crime scene finds the broken answering machine, 21 00:00:52,953 --> 00:00:55,454 But there's no tape inside. 22 00:00:55,522 --> 00:00:58,790 - He told us he saw males go down the staircase 23 00:00:58,859 --> 00:01:01,193 Two different times. 24 00:01:01,261 --> 00:01:03,828 - Who really killed these two girls? 25 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:05,263 That's the question. 26 00:01:05,265 --> 00:01:07,232 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:07,301 --> 00:01:10,069 [suspenseful music] 28 00:01:10,137 --> 00:01:17,109 ♪ ♪ 29 00:01:22,949 --> 00:01:24,550 [siren wailing] 30 00:01:24,618 --> 00:01:25,984 [cheering] 31 00:01:26,053 --> 00:01:28,487 [upbeat music] 32 00:01:28,555 --> 00:01:30,655 [horn honks] 33 00:01:30,724 --> 00:01:33,358 - The bubbling energy and creativity of new york city 34 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:35,694 Attracts people from across the country 35 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:36,929 And around the world. 36 00:01:36,997 --> 00:01:38,230 ♪ ♪ 37 00:01:38,298 --> 00:01:39,864 They arrive with big city dreams, 38 00:01:39,933 --> 00:01:42,934 Hoping to make their mark and make it big. 39 00:01:43,003 --> 00:01:45,937 [downbeat music] 40 00:01:46,006 --> 00:01:48,973 ♪ ♪ 41 00:01:48,975 --> 00:01:52,177 This story hits me with the tragedy of stolen dreams 42 00:01:52,246 --> 00:01:54,112 And the two young women who never had the chance 43 00:01:54,181 --> 00:01:55,380 To achieve them. 44 00:01:55,449 --> 00:01:57,315 And it was a tough case to solve. 45 00:01:58,152 --> 00:02:00,785 Our detectives only had a slender thread of evidence, 46 00:02:00,854 --> 00:02:02,921 But they pursued it all the way to the end. 47 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:06,191 ♪ ♪ 48 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:07,893 It was the holidays in new york; 49 00:02:07,961 --> 00:02:11,963 A joyous time for most, but not all. 50 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:14,866 [suspenseful music] 51 00:02:14,935 --> 00:02:16,668 ♪ ♪ 52 00:02:16,737 --> 00:02:22,074 - On December 19th, 1992, most of us did a day tour. 53 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:25,877 That night we were gonna have our annual christmas party. 54 00:02:25,946 --> 00:02:28,046 That particular day, we're in the office, 55 00:02:28,115 --> 00:02:29,814 And the call comes in that 56 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:34,652 We have a suspicious death on west 109th street, 57 00:02:34,722 --> 00:02:36,021 Considered the upper west side. 58 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:39,257 [siren chirping] 59 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:41,860 In 1992, we were still dealing with 60 00:02:41,862 --> 00:02:44,963 A heavy crack epidemic. Homicides were up. 61 00:02:45,031 --> 00:02:47,866 Assault rates were very high at the time. 62 00:02:47,934 --> 00:02:51,536 But the block was a very quiet block. 63 00:02:51,605 --> 00:02:55,140 A lot of educated people, college students on that block. 64 00:02:55,142 --> 00:02:57,575 [birds chirping] 65 00:02:57,645 --> 00:02:59,377 - But on this December morning, 66 00:02:59,446 --> 00:03:01,513 One building's quiet is interrupted 67 00:03:01,581 --> 00:03:03,982 By a steady dripping sound. 68 00:03:04,050 --> 00:03:06,318 - The super was receiving complaints about water 69 00:03:06,386 --> 00:03:09,954 Leaking into apartments inside the building. 70 00:03:09,956 --> 00:03:11,790 Based on where the water was leaking, 71 00:03:11,858 --> 00:03:14,292 He determined that it was coming from apartment 5a. 72 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:16,895 [suspenseful music] 73 00:03:16,963 --> 00:03:19,097 He knows that there are two females that lived there: 74 00:03:19,166 --> 00:03:21,667 Brittany rojas and nikki silas. 75 00:03:24,137 --> 00:03:27,906 - He was getting no response from knocking on the door, 76 00:03:27,975 --> 00:03:31,343 So he goes up to the roof and comes down the fire escape 77 00:03:31,411 --> 00:03:33,245 Until he gets to the fifth floor landing 78 00:03:33,313 --> 00:03:35,714 And peers through the window. 79 00:03:35,782 --> 00:03:41,920 - And what he sees makes him call 911 immediately. 80 00:03:41,988 --> 00:03:44,056 [suspenseful music] 81 00:03:44,124 --> 00:03:50,561 [sirens wailing] 82 00:03:50,631 --> 00:03:52,431 Detectives respond within minutes 83 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:56,267 And make their way into nikki and brittany's apartment. 84 00:03:56,337 --> 00:04:00,505 - As we entered the apartment, you could see that the water 85 00:04:00,574 --> 00:04:04,576 Worked its way out into the hallway in the apartment. 86 00:04:04,644 --> 00:04:07,111 And upon closer look in the bathroom, 87 00:04:07,113 --> 00:04:09,447 There was a flood. 88 00:04:09,449 --> 00:04:12,017 And then we see-- 89 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:14,186 There's a body submerged in the tub. 90 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:21,392 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:25,964 There's a ligature around her neck. 92 00:04:26,032 --> 00:04:30,067 And you could see that there was a major struggle. 93 00:04:30,069 --> 00:04:32,570 A lot of items that might have been sitting on the sink 94 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:34,038 Was on the ground. 95 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:37,075 You saw that the toilet had been somewhat shifted. 96 00:04:37,144 --> 00:04:40,245 [suspenseful music] 97 00:04:40,313 --> 00:04:41,913 During the initial conversation 98 00:04:41,981 --> 00:04:45,083 That detectives had with the super, 99 00:04:45,151 --> 00:04:50,054 It was determined it was brittany rojas. 100 00:04:50,056 --> 00:04:52,991 We weren't sure if brittany was killed in the bathroom 101 00:04:53,059 --> 00:04:57,129 Or was placed in there after her death. 102 00:04:57,197 --> 00:04:58,429 As we go past-- 103 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:01,233 Out the bathroom and make a left down the hall-- 104 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:03,268 It's like a railroad flat. 105 00:05:03,336 --> 00:05:04,803 You walk past the living room, 106 00:05:04,871 --> 00:05:06,505 Straight into one of the two bedrooms 107 00:05:06,507 --> 00:05:08,306 That existed in the apartment, 108 00:05:08,375 --> 00:05:11,476 And there was another female deceased 109 00:05:11,544 --> 00:05:14,112 On the bed, partially naked. 110 00:05:14,181 --> 00:05:15,513 ♪ ♪ 111 00:05:15,582 --> 00:05:17,049 It was brittany's roommate, nikki. 112 00:05:17,117 --> 00:05:20,384 [suspenseful music] 113 00:05:21,021 --> 00:05:23,621 Looking at the bodies up close, our thoughts were 114 00:05:23,690 --> 00:05:29,261 Maybe both girls were strangled and raped. 115 00:05:29,329 --> 00:05:30,995 In reference to nikki silas, 116 00:05:31,064 --> 00:05:33,631 It was determined that there was possible dna 117 00:05:33,633 --> 00:05:35,900 That was found on her. 118 00:05:35,969 --> 00:05:37,169 But that was going to be determined by 119 00:05:37,237 --> 00:05:40,405 The medical examiner's office upon the autopsy. 120 00:05:40,474 --> 00:05:42,974 [downbeat music] 121 00:05:43,043 --> 00:05:44,609 - The building management confirms that 122 00:05:44,678 --> 00:05:46,478 The victims are roommates, 123 00:05:46,546 --> 00:05:48,680 19-year-old brittany rojas 124 00:05:48,748 --> 00:05:52,550 And 20-year-old nikki silas. 125 00:05:52,619 --> 00:05:54,286 - So during the initial investigation 126 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:56,621 Of the crime scene, 127 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:57,922 It looked like there was a card game 128 00:05:57,991 --> 00:06:01,193 Or some type of social event took place in the apartment. 129 00:06:01,261 --> 00:06:04,463 [indistinct chatter] 130 00:06:05,532 --> 00:06:08,166 But we couldn't determine if anything was missing or stolen 131 00:06:08,234 --> 00:06:11,269 Because we don't know what the apartment looked like prior. 132 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,774 [mid-tempo music] 133 00:06:15,842 --> 00:06:18,777 Because there was a phone there, we wanted to know 134 00:06:18,845 --> 00:06:22,781 When the last call or last call coming in took place. 135 00:06:22,849 --> 00:06:27,251 That required a subpoena to be given to the phone company. 136 00:06:27,253 --> 00:06:29,121 - It will likely take weeks for the phone records 137 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:30,788 To come back. 138 00:06:30,857 --> 00:06:33,057 Meanwhile, as detectives continue to comb through 139 00:06:33,059 --> 00:06:35,960 The apartment, clues begin to emerge. 140 00:06:36,029 --> 00:06:37,462 [mid-tempo music] 141 00:06:37,531 --> 00:06:40,965 - We found a note at the foot of nikki's bed 142 00:06:40,967 --> 00:06:43,267 That was directions from queens 143 00:06:43,269 --> 00:06:48,340 To their apartment on west 109th street in manhattan. 144 00:06:48,408 --> 00:06:51,108 - There was no broken windows or locks. 145 00:06:51,178 --> 00:06:52,243 So in theory, 146 00:06:52,245 --> 00:06:54,479 Nikki and brittany must have known their killers 147 00:06:54,548 --> 00:06:56,448 And let them in. 148 00:06:56,516 --> 00:06:59,151 [suspenseful music] 149 00:06:59,219 --> 00:07:01,686 ♪ ♪ 150 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,355 - Detectives canvassed the neighborhood 151 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,158 Looking for witnesses who may have seen something, 152 00:07:06,226 --> 00:07:07,892 And they find a neighbor 153 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:10,362 Who shares a critical detail with them. 154 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:13,064 - There was a person on the block that determined 155 00:07:13,133 --> 00:07:17,468 That nikki was actually out that morning walking the dog, 156 00:07:17,538 --> 00:07:21,672 About 6:00 in the morning, with an unknown male. 157 00:07:21,742 --> 00:07:23,675 - We now know that at least one of the women 158 00:07:23,743 --> 00:07:27,579 Was still alive at 6:00 am. 159 00:07:27,647 --> 00:07:29,447 Detectives pressed the superintendent. 160 00:07:29,516 --> 00:07:32,116 Did he see or hear anything unusual 161 00:07:32,185 --> 00:07:36,187 Before he found the victims around 9:00 am? 162 00:07:36,256 --> 00:07:38,556 And then he remembers something he saw 163 00:07:38,558 --> 00:07:41,960 About one hour before that. 164 00:07:42,028 --> 00:07:44,662 - He told us, two different times, 165 00:07:44,731 --> 00:07:47,932 He saw males go down the staircase. 166 00:07:48,001 --> 00:07:49,868 One male, black, leaving the building 167 00:07:49,936 --> 00:07:52,537 Looking like he might be upset, 168 00:07:52,606 --> 00:07:54,473 But didn't pay it no mind. 169 00:07:54,541 --> 00:07:58,242 About 30 to 40 minutes later, another black male came down, 170 00:07:58,312 --> 00:08:02,414 But this individual was coming down the staircase in a rush, 171 00:08:02,416 --> 00:08:08,119 And a full, packed duffel bag with a mini safe sticking out. 172 00:08:08,188 --> 00:08:10,889 [suspenseful music] 173 00:08:10,957 --> 00:08:15,126 He just said, "well, maybe somebody's moving out." 174 00:08:15,195 --> 00:08:17,728 - A team of detectives scours the neighborhood 175 00:08:17,798 --> 00:08:19,331 For any signs of the mystery men 176 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:23,167 While others reach out to the victim's families. 177 00:08:23,169 --> 00:08:25,437 Brittany rojas was a new york city native 178 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:27,371 With a tough childhood. 179 00:08:27,373 --> 00:08:30,208 - When brittany's mother, dalis, was pregnant, 180 00:08:30,276 --> 00:08:32,210 Brittany's father died. 181 00:08:32,279 --> 00:08:36,748 So brittany was born, her father was already dead. 182 00:08:36,816 --> 00:08:40,785 She was often described by her family members as "fearless," 183 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:43,154 But she was a new york city kid. 184 00:08:43,223 --> 00:08:45,323 She was taking the trains, taking them at night, 185 00:08:45,392 --> 00:08:46,991 She was comfortable in the streets. 186 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:48,493 [horn honks] 187 00:08:48,495 --> 00:08:50,928 Brittany dropped out of high school at 10th grade 188 00:08:50,997 --> 00:08:54,732 And went to get some work. 189 00:08:54,801 --> 00:08:58,470 She was saving, saving, saving for her dreams. 190 00:08:58,538 --> 00:09:01,573 ♪ ♪ 191 00:09:01,641 --> 00:09:03,675 - Brittany's roommate, nikki silas, 192 00:09:03,677 --> 00:09:08,313 Was a small town girl from pembroke, massachusetts. 193 00:09:08,381 --> 00:09:11,883 She had moved to new york less than 18 months before 194 00:09:11,951 --> 00:09:15,086 To follow her dream of being in show business. 195 00:09:15,155 --> 00:09:17,956 - Nikki was never not going to go to new york, you know? 196 00:09:18,024 --> 00:09:20,892 That was, for her, the mecca. 197 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,395 She knew that she wanted to be there, 198 00:09:23,463 --> 00:09:28,833 To be in the limelight, to make a name for herself. 199 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:31,970 - I was fine with nikki going to new york. 200 00:09:32,038 --> 00:09:36,040 But nikki was very trusting of people. 201 00:09:36,109 --> 00:09:37,175 Too much so. 202 00:09:37,243 --> 00:09:41,445 ♪ ♪ 203 00:09:41,515 --> 00:09:44,649 - On December 19th, nikki's family gets the news 204 00:09:44,718 --> 00:09:49,521 That nikki will never reach her dream. 205 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:52,723 - My husband and I were watching tv, 206 00:09:52,725 --> 00:09:54,592 And there was a knock at the door. 207 00:09:54,661 --> 00:09:57,429 It was 9:30 at night. 208 00:09:57,497 --> 00:09:58,996 [knocking on door] 209 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:01,332 They said "pembroke police." 210 00:10:01,401 --> 00:10:03,868 ♪ ♪ 211 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:08,539 They just said, "there's been an accident in new york. 212 00:10:08,541 --> 00:10:13,144 It's your daughter, nikki." 213 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:17,181 And then they told me what happened, 214 00:10:17,250 --> 00:10:23,688 And, um, my husband lost it. That was it for him. 215 00:10:23,756 --> 00:10:26,757 [somber music] 216 00:10:26,827 --> 00:10:28,593 ♪ ♪ 217 00:10:28,661 --> 00:10:31,229 - I remember hearing my dad cry. 218 00:10:31,297 --> 00:10:36,167 He usually kept his emotions very close to the vest. 219 00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:38,302 So if he's crying, I knew something was wrong. 220 00:10:38,371 --> 00:10:41,272 ♪ ♪ 221 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:44,376 - I was just in shock, you know? 222 00:10:44,444 --> 00:10:48,612 ♪ ♪ 223 00:10:48,614 --> 00:10:52,150 It--it just doesn't even seem real. 224 00:10:52,218 --> 00:10:57,321 ♪ ♪ 225 00:10:57,390 --> 00:10:59,190 [tense music] 226 00:10:59,259 --> 00:11:01,159 - Brittany's family doesn't have any idea 227 00:11:01,227 --> 00:11:04,562 Of who may be responsible for the young women's deaths, 228 00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:06,897 But nikki's family does-- 229 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:09,633 Nikki's ex-boyfriend. 230 00:11:09,635 --> 00:11:13,271 - When I first heard about nikki being murdered, 231 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:15,940 That was who I automatically assumed 232 00:11:15,942 --> 00:11:17,609 Might be the person who did this. 233 00:11:17,677 --> 00:11:21,145 ♪ ♪ 234 00:11:21,147 --> 00:11:26,384 - Nikki told me that he was physically abusive. 235 00:11:26,453 --> 00:11:28,586 My boys didn't like him. 236 00:11:28,654 --> 00:11:30,354 My husband didn't like him. 237 00:11:30,356 --> 00:11:33,991 And it was just an uncomfortable feeling. 238 00:11:34,060 --> 00:11:37,962 There was something off. 239 00:11:37,964 --> 00:11:39,931 - An ex-boyfriend with a history of abuse? 240 00:11:39,999 --> 00:11:41,766 [siren wailing] 241 00:11:41,835 --> 00:11:43,935 We had to find him and find him fast. 242 00:11:44,003 --> 00:11:46,237 [sirens wailing] 243 00:11:46,239 --> 00:11:47,305 - Coming up... 244 00:11:47,373 --> 00:11:51,909 - They were dancers at a peep show called show world. 245 00:11:51,978 --> 00:11:54,012 Somebody was upset and yelling and screaming that 246 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,948 Somebody wants to rob somebody in that apartment 247 00:11:57,016 --> 00:11:58,516 And rape them. 248 00:11:58,585 --> 00:12:00,785 ♪ ♪ 249 00:12:00,854 --> 00:12:03,655 [dramatic music] 250 00:12:03,723 --> 00:12:05,323 ♪ ♪ 251 00:12:08,493 --> 00:12:11,395 [dramatic music] 252 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:12,797 ♪ ♪ 253 00:12:12,866 --> 00:12:15,800 [downbeat music] 254 00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:19,437 ♪ ♪ 255 00:12:19,505 --> 00:12:21,839 - The double murders of nikki silas and brittany rojas 256 00:12:21,908 --> 00:12:25,276 Have stunned their friends and families. 257 00:12:25,345 --> 00:12:28,112 But through her grief, nikki's mother identifies 258 00:12:28,114 --> 00:12:31,382 Someone she thinks detectives should talk to: 259 00:12:31,451 --> 00:12:35,086 Nikki's ex-boyfriend, a guy known as coolie. 260 00:12:35,154 --> 00:12:37,755 - When the police told me that nikki had died, 261 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:41,493 The first person I thought of was coolie. 262 00:12:41,561 --> 00:12:44,362 He lived in new york. 263 00:12:44,430 --> 00:12:47,499 - I remember she brought him home that easter. 264 00:12:47,567 --> 00:12:49,501 She was in love with him. 265 00:12:49,569 --> 00:12:51,802 He was funny, he was cool, 266 00:12:51,804 --> 00:12:54,272 But I also know that there were times 267 00:12:54,340 --> 00:12:56,307 When he could be abusive to her, 268 00:12:56,376 --> 00:12:59,043 Not only verbally, but physically. 269 00:12:59,112 --> 00:13:02,146 [suspenseful music] 270 00:13:02,215 --> 00:13:03,314 ♪ ♪ 271 00:13:03,383 --> 00:13:05,783 - A record check was done, and it was determined that 272 00:13:05,852 --> 00:13:07,885 He had been arrested in the past 273 00:13:07,954 --> 00:13:11,923 And he had served time. 274 00:13:11,991 --> 00:13:14,158 - Nikki's family had told us that coolie, 275 00:13:14,227 --> 00:13:15,826 Who was nikki's ex-boyfriend, 276 00:13:15,896 --> 00:13:18,930 Had worked at the apollo theater. 277 00:13:18,998 --> 00:13:21,866 - The apollo theater is a legendary live venue 278 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:23,601 In the heart of harlem. 279 00:13:23,669 --> 00:13:27,138 Everyone from james brown to bruno mars has played there. 280 00:13:27,206 --> 00:13:29,373 - I realized that I can call my daughter who worked at 281 00:13:29,442 --> 00:13:33,044 The apollo to see if she knew that name, "coolie." 282 00:13:33,112 --> 00:13:36,914 And she said, "oh, yeah, coolie still work here." 283 00:13:36,916 --> 00:13:38,950 I went there. He was there. 284 00:13:39,018 --> 00:13:40,651 Brought him to the station house. 285 00:13:40,653 --> 00:13:43,554 [suspenseful music] 286 00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:49,493 ♪ ♪ 287 00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:52,230 He didn't hide the fact that he had hit nikki in the past, 288 00:13:52,298 --> 00:13:54,398 And that they had a rough relationship, 289 00:13:54,467 --> 00:13:58,036 And that he was a control person trying to control her. 290 00:13:58,104 --> 00:14:02,206 - We asked him if he's willing to give us a dna sample. 291 00:14:02,208 --> 00:14:04,975 Dna testing had only been around for a few years 292 00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:07,044 And when it came out, it was a game-changer 293 00:14:07,113 --> 00:14:09,581 For our investigation. 294 00:14:09,649 --> 00:14:12,584 - He said, "yeah, I ain't got nothing to hide." 295 00:14:12,652 --> 00:14:14,485 And he gave us his dna. 296 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:16,620 [suspenseful music] 297 00:14:16,689 --> 00:14:19,256 - Coolie also gives detectives his whereabouts 298 00:14:19,325 --> 00:14:22,326 On the morning that nikki and brittany were killed. 299 00:14:22,395 --> 00:14:25,062 - When the detectives went to verify it, 300 00:14:25,131 --> 00:14:29,400 It was determined that he had a sound alibi. 301 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:34,205 Then that dna came back to be negative, 302 00:14:34,274 --> 00:14:38,075 And coolie was no longer a person of interest. 303 00:14:38,144 --> 00:14:40,178 ♪ ♪ 304 00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:43,047 - At that point, the autopsy results come back. 305 00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:45,083 They confirm detectives' first impressions 306 00:14:45,085 --> 00:14:46,484 From the crime scene. 307 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:49,020 - It was determined that nikki silas and brittany rojas 308 00:14:49,088 --> 00:14:53,691 Both died from strangulation. 309 00:14:53,759 --> 00:14:56,027 - Detectives dig deeper into the victims' lives, 310 00:14:56,095 --> 00:14:58,095 Hoping for any insight that could help them 311 00:14:58,164 --> 00:15:01,098 Track down the men seen fleeing the murder scene. 312 00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:02,634 - When you look at both victims, 313 00:15:02,702 --> 00:15:04,301 We tried to ascertain 314 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:06,470 Where they come from, how they grew up, 315 00:15:06,539 --> 00:15:08,840 Anything that might help us determine 316 00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:11,643 What caused their death. 317 00:15:11,711 --> 00:15:13,645 [downbeat music] 318 00:15:13,713 --> 00:15:15,513 - Investigators learned that 319 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,582 Brittany had moved in with nikki only a month before, 320 00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:23,053 And nikki's family didn't know her and never met her. 321 00:15:23,123 --> 00:15:24,588 Nikki was a military kid, 322 00:15:24,657 --> 00:15:26,390 And the family moved around a lot 323 00:15:26,392 --> 00:15:28,660 Before settling in nikki's mom's native state 324 00:15:28,728 --> 00:15:30,594 Of massachusetts. 325 00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:33,998 ♪ ♪ 326 00:15:34,067 --> 00:15:37,468 - Nikki was in dancing lessons. 327 00:15:37,537 --> 00:15:40,504 And then as she got older, 328 00:15:40,573 --> 00:15:46,744 She was in plays and talent shows 329 00:15:46,813 --> 00:15:48,946 Because she wanted to be an actress. 330 00:15:49,015 --> 00:15:51,682 [upbeat music] 331 00:15:51,751 --> 00:15:55,753 - She always loved the thought of going to new york. 332 00:15:55,822 --> 00:15:59,056 She wanted to go and try to be, 333 00:15:59,058 --> 00:16:04,128 In some way, shape, or form, in the music industry. 334 00:16:04,197 --> 00:16:08,466 She wanted to be in videos so badly. [laughs] 335 00:16:08,534 --> 00:16:11,002 [applause] 336 00:16:14,540 --> 00:16:17,241 - It seemed like nikki was doing good. 337 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:20,344 She was going to parties and hanging out with, like, 338 00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:22,246 Rappers that I was listening to at the time 339 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,482 'cause it's 1991, '92. 340 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:27,651 Like, she's telling me, "oh, I was at this party with nas." 341 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,220 ♪ ♪ 342 00:16:29,288 --> 00:16:32,656 - Nikki's charisma and beauty opened doors for her 343 00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:35,359 And it wasn't long before her talents were noticed. 344 00:16:35,428 --> 00:16:37,695 - She was in a mariah carey video. 345 00:16:37,764 --> 00:16:39,597 ♪ ♪ 346 00:16:39,665 --> 00:16:43,067 Certainly, the shabba ranks video was a very big deal. 347 00:16:43,135 --> 00:16:44,868 ♪ ♪ 348 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:46,370 [hip-hop music] 349 00:16:46,438 --> 00:16:49,073 - Like nikki, brittany's beauty was magnetic 350 00:16:49,141 --> 00:16:50,374 And infectious. 351 00:16:50,443 --> 00:16:53,210 - Brittany was a live wire. Brittany had sparks. 352 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,112 Brittany would walk down a street 353 00:16:55,114 --> 00:16:58,148 And every car would be honking at her. 354 00:16:58,218 --> 00:17:00,852 She always had this energy. She had so many dreams. 355 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,889 Like, she was crazy with dreams. 356 00:17:04,891 --> 00:17:07,725 - But both women struggled to pay the bills, 357 00:17:07,793 --> 00:17:09,226 And each found their way separately 358 00:17:09,295 --> 00:17:10,795 To the same solution, 359 00:17:10,863 --> 00:17:14,331 A notorious times square business where they met. 360 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,335 - They were dancers at a peep show called show world 361 00:17:17,403 --> 00:17:19,137 Located in times square 362 00:17:19,139 --> 00:17:21,038 On west 42nd street and 8th avenue. 363 00:17:21,107 --> 00:17:23,074 ♪ ♪ 364 00:17:23,142 --> 00:17:25,576 Brittany and nikki became friends, 365 00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:28,212 And nikki allowed brittany to move in with her 366 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,180 Because brittany needed a place to stay. 367 00:17:30,182 --> 00:17:32,850 [suspenseful music] 368 00:17:32,919 --> 00:17:34,085 ♪ ♪ 369 00:17:34,153 --> 00:17:38,689 - Back then, times square was tawdry. 370 00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:40,958 There were porn theaters everywhere. 371 00:17:41,026 --> 00:17:47,198 You had lots of men skulking in and out of these places. 372 00:17:47,266 --> 00:17:48,832 [suspenseful music] 373 00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:50,868 - For both young women, show world was a place 374 00:17:50,937 --> 00:17:53,604 To make good money and fast. 375 00:17:53,673 --> 00:17:57,207 - I remember talking to her at length about 376 00:17:57,277 --> 00:18:02,479 Her working in the industry where she was stripping. 377 00:18:02,548 --> 00:18:05,216 We cried about it and we talked at length about it. 378 00:18:05,284 --> 00:18:06,650 That was tough for her. 379 00:18:06,719 --> 00:18:10,655 She didn't want to-- to do that. 380 00:18:10,723 --> 00:18:12,456 It was very dangerous. 381 00:18:12,525 --> 00:18:14,959 It was a dangerous place to be. 382 00:18:14,961 --> 00:18:18,262 ♪ ♪ 383 00:18:18,331 --> 00:18:21,899 - We had homicides, serious assaults, rapes. 384 00:18:21,967 --> 00:18:24,335 [sirens wailing] 385 00:18:24,403 --> 00:18:27,404 - Were they involved with, like, a customer at show world 386 00:18:27,473 --> 00:18:29,807 Who had gone a little crazy? 387 00:18:29,875 --> 00:18:31,909 - A team of detectives went out to show world 388 00:18:31,978 --> 00:18:34,011 To interview coworkers. 389 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:36,914 They mentioned that there was a particular male 390 00:18:36,983 --> 00:18:39,150 That had a lot of interest with brittany 391 00:18:39,218 --> 00:18:40,918 That they nicknamed a sugar daddy 392 00:18:40,986 --> 00:18:42,920 Because he was spending a lot of money on her. 393 00:18:42,988 --> 00:18:44,622 ♪ ♪ 394 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:47,525 We need to go and interview this individual. 395 00:18:47,593 --> 00:18:49,460 ♪ ♪ 396 00:18:49,528 --> 00:18:52,730 - Detectives conduct a long-shot stakeout, 397 00:18:52,732 --> 00:18:56,934 Hoping to snare him when, or if, he comes in. 398 00:18:57,003 --> 00:18:58,970 - And guess what? 399 00:18:58,972 --> 00:19:01,438 While staking out show world, 400 00:19:01,507 --> 00:19:03,941 He walks right through the door. 401 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:06,744 ♪ ♪ 402 00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:09,747 [dramatic music] 403 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:11,282 ♪ ♪ 404 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:17,021 [dramatic music] 405 00:19:17,089 --> 00:19:18,422 ♪ ♪ 406 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,659 [suspenseful music] 407 00:19:21,727 --> 00:19:24,027 - The investigation into the murders of nikki silas 408 00:19:24,029 --> 00:19:26,363 And brittany rojas has led detectives 409 00:19:26,432 --> 00:19:28,866 Into the sordid heart of times square, 410 00:19:28,868 --> 00:19:32,903 To a strip club known as show world. 411 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,072 - It's kind of grimy, 412 00:19:35,074 --> 00:19:36,641 But the lights are always bright. 413 00:19:36,709 --> 00:19:38,476 They had an adult bookstore, 414 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:41,245 They had live nude entertainment, 415 00:19:41,314 --> 00:19:43,180 And they had peep shows. 416 00:19:43,249 --> 00:19:44,981 And anything you can imagine 417 00:19:44,983 --> 00:19:48,319 Took place on those four floors. 418 00:19:48,387 --> 00:19:50,555 [downbeat music] 419 00:19:50,623 --> 00:19:53,524 - The coworkers in show world made a point of letting us know 420 00:19:53,592 --> 00:19:55,893 That brittany had a strong admirer 421 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:58,829 That really liked her. 422 00:19:58,898 --> 00:20:02,333 And about a week after brittany and nikki's murder, 423 00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:03,901 We had a team stay out there 424 00:20:03,969 --> 00:20:06,971 To see if this individual would show up. 425 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,341 And while they were out there, he did show up at show world. 426 00:20:10,409 --> 00:20:13,477 [suspenseful music] 427 00:20:13,479 --> 00:20:14,678 He was shocked. 428 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,013 He was overcome with emotion 429 00:20:17,015 --> 00:20:19,850 To find out she was a victim of a homicide. 430 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,619 ♪ ♪ 431 00:20:21,687 --> 00:20:23,721 He admitted that he had a strong feeling for her 432 00:20:23,789 --> 00:20:26,023 And liked her. 433 00:20:26,091 --> 00:20:28,626 He had no ill feelings towards her. 434 00:20:28,694 --> 00:20:30,962 Always thought she was a sweetheart. 435 00:20:31,030 --> 00:20:32,596 ♪ ♪ 436 00:20:32,665 --> 00:20:35,066 During the interview, 437 00:20:35,134 --> 00:20:38,035 We wanted to see if there was any wounds or any old injuries 438 00:20:38,103 --> 00:20:40,771 That might say that he might have been involved in a fight. 439 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,974 ♪ ♪ 440 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:46,043 But we couldn't come up with anything. 441 00:20:46,111 --> 00:20:48,712 - Detectives asked him about his whereabouts 442 00:20:48,781 --> 00:20:53,317 On December 18th going into December 19th. 443 00:20:53,386 --> 00:20:55,152 - And he said he had an alibi that can prove 444 00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:57,388 He wasn't the one involved. 445 00:20:57,456 --> 00:20:58,789 A team went out to verify, 446 00:20:58,858 --> 00:21:01,458 And it was determined that he was not able 447 00:21:01,527 --> 00:21:04,061 To have committed the homicide. 448 00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:05,997 It ruled him out. 449 00:21:06,065 --> 00:21:07,999 ♪ ♪ 450 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:11,135 - One week after nikki and brittany were murdered, 451 00:21:11,203 --> 00:21:15,072 The investigation is back at square one. 452 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:17,074 - Well, during the course of the investigation, 453 00:21:17,142 --> 00:21:22,646 We started re-looking at the case in different ways. 454 00:21:22,715 --> 00:21:24,548 Did we overlook something in the apartment 455 00:21:24,550 --> 00:21:28,185 That might help us? 456 00:21:28,253 --> 00:21:30,388 Amongst us, as detectives, we were wondering, 457 00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:33,057 Is this going to turn into a cold case? 458 00:21:33,125 --> 00:21:35,158 ♪ ♪ 459 00:21:35,228 --> 00:21:37,227 - With multiple persons of interest ruled out, 460 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:38,696 Detectives hoped the phone record 461 00:21:38,764 --> 00:21:40,031 From nikki and brittany's apartment 462 00:21:40,099 --> 00:21:41,198 Might give them a lead. 463 00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:43,801 ♪ ♪ 464 00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:47,037 - Around midnight, two weeks after the murder, 465 00:21:47,106 --> 00:21:50,874 The phone company finally delivers the phone records. 466 00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:52,543 ♪ ♪ 467 00:21:52,611 --> 00:21:55,979 It was the last outgoing call on December 19th, 468 00:21:56,048 --> 00:22:00,384 The morning of the murders, that stands out. 469 00:22:00,453 --> 00:22:02,119 - The call was made from the apartment 470 00:22:02,187 --> 00:22:06,189 To an address in queens at 8:00 am on December 19th. 471 00:22:06,191 --> 00:22:08,191 Around the same time, the super remembers 472 00:22:08,193 --> 00:22:11,562 Seeing the first of two men running down the stairs. 473 00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:13,730 - Obviously, we needed to go out there 474 00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:19,069 And speak with whoever was the recipient of that call. 475 00:22:19,138 --> 00:22:22,940 We arrived somewhere between 2:15 and 2:30 in the morning 476 00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:24,541 To the residence. 477 00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:26,377 We knocked on the door, 478 00:22:26,445 --> 00:22:30,581 And a young lady opened the door. 479 00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:33,150 We told her we were here investigating a homicide 480 00:22:33,218 --> 00:22:35,619 That took place in manhattan 481 00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,755 And that a phone call was placed to this residence 482 00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:41,158 On December 19th, 483 00:22:41,226 --> 00:22:44,895 And it lasted, give or take, less than two minutes. 484 00:22:44,963 --> 00:22:47,898 "do you recall that phone call?" 485 00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:51,168 And she said, "I can't tell you who made the call. 486 00:22:51,236 --> 00:22:52,970 I remember somewhat of it." 487 00:22:53,038 --> 00:22:55,038 [phone rings] 488 00:22:55,107 --> 00:22:56,806 - Her phone had an answering machine. 489 00:22:56,808 --> 00:22:59,042 She never picked up the phone. 490 00:22:59,111 --> 00:23:01,444 She just listened to the caller leave a message. 491 00:23:01,446 --> 00:23:02,713 [answering machine beeps] 492 00:23:02,781 --> 00:23:05,049 - She said to us that somebody was upset, 493 00:23:05,117 --> 00:23:08,652 And yelling and screaming, but she didn't pay it no mind. 494 00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:11,121 All she remembered, it was some male on the phone. 495 00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:13,157 But she couldn't say a name. 496 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,525 - Detectives believe that upset caller from 497 00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:16,927 Nikki and brittany's apartment 498 00:23:16,996 --> 00:23:19,863 Could very well lead to their killer. 499 00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:22,733 They ask to be shown the answering machine. 500 00:23:22,801 --> 00:23:25,068 She gives them some bad news. 501 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,137 - When her boyfriend came home later on 502 00:23:27,205 --> 00:23:29,006 And she was having an argument with him, 503 00:23:29,074 --> 00:23:32,843 She wound up throwing the phone against the wall, breaking it. 504 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:36,547 She said, I threw the phone down the incinerator. 505 00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:40,017 [suspenseful music] 506 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:42,619 We asked emergency service to come in 507 00:23:42,688 --> 00:23:45,222 And take a look to see if they could recover the phone 508 00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:47,024 With the receiver, phone, and tape. 509 00:23:47,092 --> 00:23:50,160 ♪ ♪ 510 00:23:50,229 --> 00:23:54,765 - So crime scene finds the broken answering machine, 511 00:23:54,833 --> 00:23:56,333 But there's no tape inside. 512 00:23:56,401 --> 00:23:59,203 ♪ ♪ 513 00:23:59,271 --> 00:24:00,637 Maybe the tape fell out. 514 00:24:00,706 --> 00:24:01,638 So now you're still going through the garbage 515 00:24:01,707 --> 00:24:04,175 To try to find the tape to this answering machine. 516 00:24:04,243 --> 00:24:08,045 ♪ ♪ 517 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:11,649 - We couldn't come up with the tape. 518 00:24:11,651 --> 00:24:13,283 - Detectives pressed the woman about 519 00:24:13,352 --> 00:24:15,786 Who the mystery caller was trying to reach. 520 00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:18,889 - She said it would have been her boyfriend, timothy brown. 521 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,157 She said he was out of town, 522 00:24:20,225 --> 00:24:23,060 But she would call his beeper number. 523 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:24,861 We said, "look, if he reaches out to you, 524 00:24:24,863 --> 00:24:28,031 We need to speak to him." 525 00:24:28,033 --> 00:24:29,933 - With every other lead gone cold, 526 00:24:30,002 --> 00:24:32,736 It's critical to find out who made that phone call 527 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,372 From brittany and nikki's apartment. 528 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,875 And then the phone rings at the precinct. 529 00:24:38,944 --> 00:24:42,813 It's timothy brown. 530 00:24:42,881 --> 00:24:44,281 He tells the detectives something 531 00:24:44,349 --> 00:24:47,684 That puts the investigation back on track. 532 00:24:47,753 --> 00:24:49,286 He had listened to the message 533 00:24:49,354 --> 00:24:51,955 Before his girlfriend smashed the phone. 534 00:24:51,957 --> 00:24:55,692 - We asked him, "do you know who placed that call?" 535 00:24:55,761 --> 00:24:58,161 And he said, "yes. 536 00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:59,296 I know who placed the call." 537 00:24:59,364 --> 00:25:01,431 [phone rings] 538 00:25:01,433 --> 00:25:03,567 ♪ ♪ 539 00:25:03,636 --> 00:25:05,169 - Coming up... 540 00:25:05,237 --> 00:25:07,971 - This is your chance to tell us what happened. 541 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,775 And when we told him we had dna from the crime scene, 542 00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:14,311 He knew then that he had a problem. 543 00:25:14,379 --> 00:25:15,646 ♪ ♪ 544 00:25:15,714 --> 00:25:18,649 [dramatic music] 545 00:25:18,717 --> 00:25:20,451 ♪ ♪ 546 00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:26,189 [dramatic music] 547 00:25:26,258 --> 00:25:27,190 ♪ ♪ 548 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:29,660 [downbeat music] 549 00:25:29,728 --> 00:25:32,529 [sirens wailing] 550 00:25:32,597 --> 00:25:35,332 - The investigation into the double homicide of nikki silas 551 00:25:35,401 --> 00:25:37,668 And brittany rojas has frustrated detectives 552 00:25:37,736 --> 00:25:39,202 With its many dead ends. 553 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:42,205 But now, two weeks after their bodies were found, 554 00:25:42,207 --> 00:25:44,275 Phone records have led detectives to a person 555 00:25:44,343 --> 00:25:46,277 Who may break open the case. 556 00:25:46,345 --> 00:25:49,212 His name was timothy brown. 557 00:25:49,281 --> 00:25:51,682 [downbeat music] 558 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:54,919 [line rings] 559 00:25:54,987 --> 00:25:57,154 - Timothy brown was the recipient of 560 00:25:57,222 --> 00:26:00,824 The last call going out from the apartment 561 00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:02,225 Around the same time 562 00:26:02,294 --> 00:26:04,294 That brittany and nikki were being killed. 563 00:26:04,363 --> 00:26:07,631 [indistinct radio chatter] 564 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:09,566 - When speaking with timothy brown, 565 00:26:09,635 --> 00:26:12,035 He remembered that the call came in 566 00:26:12,104 --> 00:26:14,371 From his friend, antoine atterbury. 567 00:26:14,439 --> 00:26:16,373 ♪ ♪ 568 00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:19,343 What timmy recalls is basically that 569 00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:22,313 There's a lot of screaming on the phone from his friend 570 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:26,116 That somebody is wanting to rob somebody in that apartment 571 00:26:26,185 --> 00:26:29,052 And rape them, and he wanted no part of it, 572 00:26:29,121 --> 00:26:32,523 And he was leaving and he hung up. 573 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:36,993 When we asked him, "do you know where antoine lives?" 574 00:26:37,062 --> 00:26:39,229 He told us, "yes." 575 00:26:39,298 --> 00:26:43,534 Gave us the address of where they lived in queens. 576 00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:46,269 - When detectives look up the address, 577 00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:48,004 A chill of recognition hits them 578 00:26:48,073 --> 00:26:49,806 As they remember a scrap of paper 579 00:26:49,875 --> 00:26:51,274 Found at the crime scene. 580 00:26:51,343 --> 00:26:53,143 [tense music] 581 00:26:53,212 --> 00:26:55,044 - The hand-written directions found in 582 00:26:55,046 --> 00:26:58,515 Brittany and nikki's apartment matched perfectly. 583 00:26:58,584 --> 00:27:01,452 They start at the subway nearest to atterbury's home 584 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,823 And end at the west 109th street apartment building, 585 00:27:05,825 --> 00:27:08,759 Brittany and nikki's apartment. 586 00:27:08,827 --> 00:27:11,828 [suspenseful music] 587 00:27:11,897 --> 00:27:15,032 - So we go out to queens. 588 00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:18,635 And once we got there, we rang the doorbell. 589 00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:20,270 [doorbell rings] 590 00:27:20,339 --> 00:27:23,840 And the door was answered by antoine. 591 00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:26,877 [suspenseful music] 592 00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:29,179 We said, "we're investigating the homicide of two girls 593 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:33,450 "that took place on 109th street in manhattan, 594 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,921 "and we have strong indication that a phone call was 595 00:27:37,923 --> 00:27:41,058 "placed out of that residence to a location in queens. 596 00:27:41,126 --> 00:27:45,262 Do you know who timothy brown is?" 597 00:27:45,330 --> 00:27:49,132 And he said, "no, I don't know what you're talking about." 598 00:27:49,134 --> 00:27:53,536 - And then something catches detective hayes' eye. 599 00:27:53,538 --> 00:27:56,807 - I saw what appeared to be a mini safe. 600 00:27:56,809 --> 00:28:00,411 [suspenseful music] 601 00:28:00,479 --> 00:28:02,545 - The safe appears to match the description 602 00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:04,948 The superintendent gave the detectives 603 00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:08,751 The morning of brittany and nikki's killing. 604 00:28:08,753 --> 00:28:11,021 - And I asked him, "where did that come from?" 605 00:28:11,089 --> 00:28:13,089 He said, "oh, my roommate brought it in." 606 00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:14,224 "who's your roommate?" 607 00:28:14,293 --> 00:28:16,092 And he mentioned kevin ladson. 608 00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:18,895 [suspenseful music] 609 00:28:18,964 --> 00:28:20,330 ♪ ♪ 610 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:24,501 "how did that come here? What else did he bring?" 611 00:28:24,569 --> 00:28:27,104 And he gave us a rundown on different things. 612 00:28:27,172 --> 00:28:31,074 And he mentioned jewelry, music cds, 613 00:28:31,143 --> 00:28:34,778 At which time we realized that some of this is 614 00:28:34,847 --> 00:28:37,680 Items that might be from the crime scene. 615 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:39,850 We decided, "hey, we're gonna take this back 616 00:28:39,918 --> 00:28:42,185 "to the 2-4 precinct so we can sit down in detail 617 00:28:42,254 --> 00:28:45,322 And get everything about what you know." 618 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:50,260 ♪ ♪ 619 00:28:50,329 --> 00:28:52,962 When we brought antoine atterbury 620 00:28:52,964 --> 00:28:54,931 From queens into manhattan, 621 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,401 At that time, he wasn't placed in handcuffs. 622 00:28:57,469 --> 00:28:59,702 We wanted to make it look like, "hey, you're helping us, 623 00:28:59,772 --> 00:29:00,804 And we're helping you." 624 00:29:00,873 --> 00:29:04,475 ♪ ♪ 625 00:29:04,543 --> 00:29:09,279 He was brought into a interview room. 626 00:29:09,348 --> 00:29:11,081 And we said, "hey, this is your chance 627 00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:13,550 "to tell us what's going on because two girls got killed. 628 00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:15,385 "and if you didn't have anything to do with it, 629 00:29:15,454 --> 00:29:19,422 It's your best interest to tell us what happened." 630 00:29:19,491 --> 00:29:21,692 It didn't matter about 631 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,294 Antoine saying he was or wasn't in the apartment. 632 00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:26,863 The phone call put him in the apartment. 633 00:29:26,932 --> 00:29:30,300 - But antoine refuses to explain why he made that call 634 00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:34,371 And denies knowing anything about the murders. 635 00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:36,039 ♪ ♪ 636 00:29:36,041 --> 00:29:37,840 So while antoine is in custody, 637 00:29:37,842 --> 00:29:40,577 A team of detectives stakes out his apartment, 638 00:29:40,646 --> 00:29:44,847 Hoping to catch his roommate, kevin ladson. 639 00:29:44,849 --> 00:29:48,218 - And as kevin was approaching the apartment, 640 00:29:48,287 --> 00:29:50,521 He was apprehended and brought back to the precinct. 641 00:29:50,589 --> 00:29:52,523 [siren chirping] 642 00:29:52,591 --> 00:29:54,892 [suspenseful music] 643 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,593 When kevin ladson is brought into 644 00:29:56,661 --> 00:29:59,129 The 2-4 detective squad room, 645 00:29:59,197 --> 00:30:01,565 The interview room that antoine atterbury was in, 646 00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:05,802 The door was left open so that he could see him walk by. 647 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:07,671 ♪ ♪ 648 00:30:07,739 --> 00:30:13,343 We know that kevin saw antoine, and antoine saw kevin. 649 00:30:13,345 --> 00:30:15,546 Our objective was to let kevin know, 650 00:30:15,614 --> 00:30:21,418 The reason you here is because antoine told us about you. 651 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:24,555 We want him to see that we've got antoine. 652 00:30:24,623 --> 00:30:27,958 Whoever talks first gets the best deal 653 00:30:28,026 --> 00:30:29,693 And we wanted that put in his head. 654 00:30:29,761 --> 00:30:32,563 ♪ ♪ 655 00:30:32,631 --> 00:30:34,364 - Kevin is not cooperative, 656 00:30:34,433 --> 00:30:37,167 But he doesn't point the finger at antoine. 657 00:30:37,235 --> 00:30:41,004 He just keeps saying, "I didn't do what you say I did." 658 00:30:41,006 --> 00:30:42,372 - With kevin clamming up, 659 00:30:42,441 --> 00:30:44,841 Detectives hope the more talkative antoine 660 00:30:44,909 --> 00:30:48,545 Will let something slip about what actually happened. 661 00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:50,713 - We wanted to make it as convenient for him 662 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:52,315 To talk to us freely 663 00:30:52,317 --> 00:30:54,651 Without feeling threatened that he's gonna go to jail. 664 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,688 ♪ ♪ 665 00:30:57,756 --> 00:30:59,422 And as we went deeper into it, 666 00:30:59,491 --> 00:31:02,625 He got more comfortable with telling us 667 00:31:02,627 --> 00:31:03,627 "this was what happened." 668 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:06,929 ♪ ♪ 669 00:31:06,931 --> 00:31:09,733 [dramatic music] 670 00:31:09,801 --> 00:31:11,368 ♪ ♪ 671 00:31:14,505 --> 00:31:17,474 [dramatic music] 672 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:20,843 ♪ ♪ 673 00:31:20,913 --> 00:31:24,114 [downbeat music] 674 00:31:24,349 --> 00:31:26,349 - A little more than two weeks after the nikki silas 675 00:31:26,418 --> 00:31:27,584 And brittany rojas murders, 676 00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:29,953 Detectives have two suspects in custody, 677 00:31:30,021 --> 00:31:32,755 Kevin ladson and antoine atterbury. 678 00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:34,224 Kevin isn't talking, 679 00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:36,627 But antoine is starting to sink. 680 00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:39,095 ♪ ♪ 681 00:31:39,164 --> 00:31:41,598 - So during the interview of antoine atterbury, 682 00:31:41,667 --> 00:31:45,268 We asked how did he know brittany or nikki. 683 00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:48,104 He informed me that maybe three weeks ago, 684 00:31:48,173 --> 00:31:50,373 Kevin ladson, after getting a haircut, 685 00:31:50,442 --> 00:31:52,642 Came out the barber shop and he bumped into 686 00:31:52,711 --> 00:31:54,377 A young lady named brittany, 687 00:31:54,379 --> 00:31:57,547 Who we now know was brittany rojas. 688 00:31:57,616 --> 00:32:00,116 He was informing her that he would like to take her out, 689 00:32:00,185 --> 00:32:02,886 He thought she was attractive, 690 00:32:02,954 --> 00:32:04,421 And they exchanged phone numbers. 691 00:32:04,489 --> 00:32:06,689 ♪ ♪ 692 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:09,660 - Kevin ladson reaches out to brittany, 693 00:32:09,728 --> 00:32:11,594 Sometime probably on the 18th, 694 00:32:11,663 --> 00:32:14,531 And asks if he can come over and he can bring a friend. 695 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:17,400 And the friend is antoine atterbury. 696 00:32:17,469 --> 00:32:19,802 - We remember that that direction note 697 00:32:19,804 --> 00:32:21,338 Was there in the apartment. 698 00:32:21,406 --> 00:32:23,506 And it was a possibility that-- 699 00:32:23,575 --> 00:32:25,808 The thought might have been that kevin brought that there. 700 00:32:25,810 --> 00:32:27,878 ♪ ♪ 701 00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:33,349 So about 6:00 to 6:15 on December 18th, 702 00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:37,054 Antoine and kevin get on a train in queens, 703 00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:40,990 And they come into manhattan. 704 00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:43,426 ♪ ♪ 705 00:32:43,428 --> 00:32:45,095 So they wound up going to the apartment, 706 00:32:45,163 --> 00:32:47,630 And the girls let them in. 707 00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:50,167 And so they decided to play hearts, play cards, 708 00:32:50,169 --> 00:32:52,202 Have a couple of drinks. 709 00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:55,672 ♪ ♪ 710 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:58,841 - 11:00 at night turns into 3:00 in the morning, 711 00:32:58,843 --> 00:33:02,112 Turns into 5:00 in the morning. 712 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:04,381 - Nikki said, "hey, you know, I got to get ready for school. 713 00:33:04,449 --> 00:33:06,382 "I'ma walk the dog, and then we can all leave 714 00:33:06,451 --> 00:33:08,184 And, you know, do this another time." 715 00:33:08,253 --> 00:33:11,521 ♪ ♪ 716 00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:13,189 - Antoine says, that morning, 717 00:33:13,258 --> 00:33:14,624 He went with nikki to walk the dog. 718 00:33:14,693 --> 00:33:16,659 ♪ ♪ 719 00:33:16,728 --> 00:33:19,863 Witnesses saw nikki that morning 720 00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:21,798 With a person, a male. 721 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,766 So antoine's story checks out. 722 00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:25,868 ♪ ♪ 723 00:33:25,870 --> 00:33:31,141 - Antoine says that when he came back up to the apartment, 724 00:33:31,209 --> 00:33:33,009 Kevin told him, "I'm taking nikki in the room. 725 00:33:33,011 --> 00:33:35,778 "I'ma make her have sex with me, 726 00:33:35,848 --> 00:33:38,348 Then I'm taking the safe." 727 00:33:38,416 --> 00:33:40,050 - Antoine claims he didn't see brittany 728 00:33:40,118 --> 00:33:42,151 When he came back from walking the dog. 729 00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:44,487 [suspenseful music] 730 00:33:44,556 --> 00:33:47,190 Was she in the bathroom? Was she dead or alive? 731 00:33:47,259 --> 00:33:49,759 He says he doesn't know. 732 00:33:49,761 --> 00:33:52,963 And that's when he made the call to timothy brown. 733 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,497 - When nobody picks up, 734 00:33:54,499 --> 00:33:56,199 Antoine leaves the message that 735 00:33:56,268 --> 00:33:57,667 Brown was able to listen to 736 00:33:57,736 --> 00:34:01,337 Before their answering machine was destroyed. 737 00:34:01,406 --> 00:34:03,072 - Well, all right, we can understand 738 00:34:03,142 --> 00:34:04,140 You making the call to timothy. 739 00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:06,376 But you got out. 740 00:34:06,445 --> 00:34:09,245 You left kevin behind. Why didn't you call 911 then? 741 00:34:09,314 --> 00:34:11,881 You can do it anonymously. 742 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:14,051 - Why didn't he try to stop him? 743 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,753 Why didn't he scream out the window? 744 00:34:16,822 --> 00:34:18,821 Why didn't he, like, take something in the apartment 745 00:34:18,891 --> 00:34:20,090 And smash him on the head? 746 00:34:20,158 --> 00:34:22,358 I mean, all of us want to somehow, like, 747 00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:25,428 Dive into that murder scene and stop it. 748 00:34:25,496 --> 00:34:27,564 Maybe if he had called 911, 749 00:34:27,632 --> 00:34:34,103 Nikki and brittany would still be alive. 750 00:34:34,105 --> 00:34:36,205 - But detectives need more than antoine's word 751 00:34:36,275 --> 00:34:38,140 To build a solid case, 752 00:34:38,142 --> 00:34:40,677 And kevin isn't talking. 753 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:43,446 - He didn't say a word. 754 00:34:43,514 --> 00:34:47,184 But when we told him we had dna from the crime scene 755 00:34:47,252 --> 00:34:49,051 And we wanted to get his dna, 756 00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,154 He knew then that he had a problem. 757 00:34:52,156 --> 00:34:56,058 ♪ ♪ 758 00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:59,229 - While detectives wait for the dna results to come back, 759 00:34:59,297 --> 00:35:00,963 They bring the building superintendent 760 00:35:00,965 --> 00:35:03,033 Into the station house. 761 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,300 - We went to conduct a lineup 762 00:35:04,369 --> 00:35:06,903 With both antoine atterbury and kevin ladson 763 00:35:06,971 --> 00:35:10,106 To see if he would be able to identify them 764 00:35:10,174 --> 00:35:14,811 As who he saw come down the stairs on December 19th. 765 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,680 He positively identified antoine atterbury 766 00:35:17,682 --> 00:35:19,716 As the first person coming down the stairs, 767 00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:22,319 And he identified kevin ladson as the second person 768 00:35:22,321 --> 00:35:24,787 Coming down with a duffel bag 769 00:35:24,856 --> 00:35:27,189 With a mini safe that was sticking out. 770 00:35:27,191 --> 00:35:28,825 ♪ ♪ 771 00:35:28,893 --> 00:35:31,394 When we finally got the dna results back, 772 00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:34,130 It came back positive. 773 00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:38,668 Kevin ladson's dna was on nikki. 774 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:41,638 We had no dna we can use with brittany 775 00:35:41,706 --> 00:35:43,640 Because she was submerged in water and at that time, 776 00:35:43,708 --> 00:35:45,241 There was no way to extract 777 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:50,647 Any possible dna to match against kevin ladson. 778 00:35:50,649 --> 00:35:53,215 - Does that mean brittany wasn't raped? 779 00:35:53,217 --> 00:35:54,851 There's no way to know for sure. 780 00:35:54,919 --> 00:35:58,621 ♪ ♪ 781 00:35:58,623 --> 00:36:00,490 - We now have enough probable cause 782 00:36:00,558 --> 00:36:02,225 To arrest kevin and antoine 783 00:36:02,294 --> 00:36:06,296 And charge them with the murders of brittany and nikki. 784 00:36:06,364 --> 00:36:08,498 - The da's point of view was this: 785 00:36:08,567 --> 00:36:12,235 Both girls were a victim of asphyxiation homicide. 786 00:36:12,303 --> 00:36:16,072 There is a strong belief that both girls were raped. 787 00:36:16,141 --> 00:36:20,810 ♪ ♪ 788 00:36:20,879 --> 00:36:23,780 [downbeat music] 789 00:36:23,848 --> 00:36:24,714 ♪ ♪ 790 00:36:24,783 --> 00:36:29,119 - I got a call one day from the detective, 791 00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,387 And he said he had arrested 792 00:36:31,456 --> 00:36:36,492 Kevin ladson and antoine atterbury. 793 00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:39,862 - And at that point, there was relief 794 00:36:39,931 --> 00:36:42,699 That at least they were off the street, 795 00:36:42,767 --> 00:36:45,601 That I didn't have to have this worry anymore of, like, 796 00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:51,774 This looming monster in the-- in new york city. 797 00:36:51,776 --> 00:36:56,112 - I was, I guess, relieved, but more like anger. 798 00:36:56,181 --> 00:36:59,349 And, like, now I want them to pay. 799 00:36:59,417 --> 00:37:03,153 Like, "good, you got 'em. Make 'em pay." 800 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:07,223 So... [sniffles] 801 00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:10,426 [determined music] 802 00:37:10,495 --> 00:37:11,995 - With two trials coming up, 803 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,063 Prosecutors have the challenge of building cases 804 00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:17,400 On circumstantial evidence alone. 805 00:37:17,468 --> 00:37:19,669 Kevin ladson has taken the fifth, 806 00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,638 And antoine claims he doesn't know what happened 807 00:37:21,706 --> 00:37:23,306 After he left the apartment. 808 00:37:23,375 --> 00:37:24,841 ♪ ♪ 809 00:37:24,909 --> 00:37:28,311 - We said, "antoine, you heard kevin say that 810 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:31,514 "he wanted to take the safe. 811 00:37:31,516 --> 00:37:34,084 "you see the safe in your house. 812 00:37:34,152 --> 00:37:36,586 "he comes in with music cds, you don't question that? 813 00:37:36,654 --> 00:37:38,955 "he comes in with jewelry, you don't question that? 814 00:37:39,023 --> 00:37:41,123 "all right. You're guilty of something. 815 00:37:41,193 --> 00:37:42,325 We can't prove it, but this is 816 00:37:42,394 --> 00:37:44,227 What you're gonna get charged with." 817 00:37:44,295 --> 00:37:46,462 ♪ ♪ 818 00:37:46,531 --> 00:37:48,130 Antoine was shaken to his boots 819 00:37:48,132 --> 00:37:52,134 That he knew he might be going to jail, 820 00:37:52,136 --> 00:37:54,871 And he was trying his best to not get locked up. 821 00:37:54,939 --> 00:37:57,840 ♪ ♪ 822 00:37:57,909 --> 00:37:59,409 - The detectives know they need more 823 00:37:59,477 --> 00:38:01,945 To strengthen their case. 824 00:38:02,013 --> 00:38:05,982 And then antoine gives them the key. 825 00:38:06,051 --> 00:38:09,886 ♪ ♪ 826 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,822 [dramatic music] 827 00:38:12,891 --> 00:38:14,391 ♪ ♪ 828 00:38:17,594 --> 00:38:20,196 [dramatic music] 829 00:38:20,264 --> 00:38:25,702 ♪ ♪ 830 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:27,570 - Antoine atterbury and kevin ladson 831 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:29,773 Have been arrested and charged with the murders 832 00:38:29,841 --> 00:38:32,842 Of nikki silas and brittany rojas. 833 00:38:32,911 --> 00:38:34,511 ♪ ♪ 834 00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:36,512 While kevin is still not talking, 835 00:38:36,581 --> 00:38:40,182 Antoine has one final piece of information to share. 836 00:38:40,252 --> 00:38:44,420 - Atterbury tells detectives of an item that ladson stole 837 00:38:44,422 --> 00:38:46,689 From brittany and nikki's house. 838 00:38:46,691 --> 00:38:48,524 - He mentioned a specific coat 839 00:38:48,593 --> 00:38:51,127 That kevin ladson gave to his girlfriend 840 00:38:51,195 --> 00:38:55,097 Who was attending borough of manhattan community college. 841 00:38:55,099 --> 00:38:57,600 And we sent a team of detectives. 842 00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:58,968 And when they finally went there 843 00:38:59,037 --> 00:39:00,536 And met with her, 844 00:39:00,605 --> 00:39:02,538 She happened to be wearing the coat. 845 00:39:02,607 --> 00:39:03,840 We said, "who gave you that coat?" 846 00:39:03,908 --> 00:39:05,074 She said, "my boyfriend." 847 00:39:05,143 --> 00:39:09,411 I said, "well, that coat belongs to a homicide victim." 848 00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:10,680 Right there, on the campus ground, 849 00:39:10,748 --> 00:39:11,914 Threw it down on the ground. 850 00:39:11,983 --> 00:39:13,983 Said, "oh, my god! I didn't know that." 851 00:39:14,052 --> 00:39:15,985 ♪ ♪ 852 00:39:16,054 --> 00:39:19,789 - Nikki's family confirms that the coat was hers. 853 00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:22,091 This final piece of evidence places kevin 854 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,760 Physically inside the victim's apartment. 855 00:39:24,829 --> 00:39:28,030 There is no other way he could have gotten the coat. 856 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:30,300 Detectives are confident they have the right suspects 857 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:32,268 And a strong case. 858 00:39:32,337 --> 00:39:33,836 - Kevin ladson, a slam dunk. 859 00:39:33,905 --> 00:39:35,371 You raped nikki. You killed her. 860 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,507 ♪ ♪ 861 00:39:37,575 --> 00:39:39,241 In reference to brittany rojas, 862 00:39:39,311 --> 00:39:41,444 The question was, did you kill her 863 00:39:41,513 --> 00:39:45,114 Or did antoine atterbury? 864 00:39:45,183 --> 00:39:47,650 We all agreed that it was kevin ladson. 865 00:39:47,652 --> 00:39:50,787 ♪ ♪ 866 00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:53,122 - Based on the dna found on nikki silas, 867 00:39:53,191 --> 00:39:55,858 And the superintendent's and antoine's statements, 868 00:39:55,927 --> 00:39:59,996 The prosecutors try ladson for robbery, rape, and murder. 869 00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:02,732 They believe that atterbury was not responsible 870 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,268 For the murders, and he is only tried for robbery. 871 00:40:06,338 --> 00:40:10,640 - Kevin ladson was convicted and was given 40 years. 872 00:40:10,708 --> 00:40:13,075 Antoine atterbury was convicted 873 00:40:13,144 --> 00:40:17,980 And got a sentence of 17 to 21 years. 874 00:40:17,982 --> 00:40:20,049 - I was happy, 875 00:40:20,118 --> 00:40:24,320 But it didn't take everything off my shoulders 876 00:40:24,388 --> 00:40:26,956 Like I thought it would. 877 00:40:27,025 --> 00:40:29,959 [somber music] 878 00:40:30,027 --> 00:40:31,361 - Brittany's mother was also relieved 879 00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,229 That justice had prevailed. 880 00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:37,499 But for her, the pain would also never go away. 881 00:40:37,501 --> 00:40:38,901 - Her mother, dalis, 882 00:40:38,903 --> 00:40:43,039 She said, "there's no justice in this life. 883 00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:46,576 You're a piece of sand. You're nothing." 884 00:40:46,644 --> 00:40:49,178 [somber music] 885 00:40:49,247 --> 00:40:51,647 - For damon, nikki's death changed the direction 886 00:40:51,716 --> 00:40:54,384 Of his whole life. 887 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:57,453 - After going to undergrad at howard university, 888 00:40:57,521 --> 00:40:58,888 I ended up going to grad school 889 00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:00,923 And I majored in clinical psychology, 890 00:41:00,992 --> 00:41:04,260 Primarily working with children and adolescents. 891 00:41:04,328 --> 00:41:08,264 I really wanted to work with juveniles, with youth, 892 00:41:08,332 --> 00:41:10,600 Who could potentially go down the same path 893 00:41:10,668 --> 00:41:12,268 That antoine and kevin went. 894 00:41:12,336 --> 00:41:14,937 ♪ ♪ 895 00:41:15,006 --> 00:41:19,742 - He said, "I had to do this for my sister. 896 00:41:19,744 --> 00:41:22,945 "because if I don't do something for her, 897 00:41:23,014 --> 00:41:26,015 Then it'll be in vain that she died." 898 00:41:26,084 --> 00:41:27,883 ♪ ♪ 899 00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:29,619 - And then, in 2015, 900 00:41:29,687 --> 00:41:33,923 Nikki's family went one step further in their journey. 901 00:41:33,925 --> 00:41:36,559 - One day, damon called me and said, 902 00:41:36,627 --> 00:41:38,894 "I hope you don't think I'm crazy, 903 00:41:38,963 --> 00:41:41,163 But I've been thinking about 904 00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:43,833 Going to see kevin in the prison." 905 00:41:43,901 --> 00:41:49,105 I said, "well, you know what? If you are, I am." 906 00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:52,842 - In 2015, my mom and I went to the prison 907 00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:55,645 In upstate new york to visit kevin ladson. 908 00:41:55,713 --> 00:41:58,180 What was more important to me and my mom was 909 00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:01,984 To let him know that when he took nikki's life, 910 00:42:01,986 --> 00:42:05,121 He impacted all of these people. 911 00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:07,857 He impacted her friends and family, 912 00:42:07,926 --> 00:42:12,795 And the ripple effect that taking her life 913 00:42:12,797 --> 00:42:14,997 Had on so many people. 914 00:42:15,066 --> 00:42:17,667 ♪ ♪ 915 00:42:17,735 --> 00:42:22,004 - We started talking, and I told him, 916 00:42:22,073 --> 00:42:25,141 "I don't hate you, but I hate what you did to me 917 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:27,009 And my family." 918 00:42:27,078 --> 00:42:30,279 And I said, "you took a lot of things away from me 919 00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:33,215 That I'll never have." 920 00:42:33,217 --> 00:42:36,052 He started crying. 921 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,720 He apologized. 922 00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:40,823 He told me how sorry he was. 923 00:42:40,892 --> 00:42:44,626 He didn't intend to do what he did. 924 00:42:44,628 --> 00:42:46,028 I believed him. 925 00:42:46,097 --> 00:42:49,765 And the fact that it made me feel better, 926 00:42:49,834 --> 00:42:52,168 That's all that was important to me. 927 00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:55,171 [downbeat music] 928 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,807 ♪ ♪ 929 00:42:57,875 --> 00:43:02,044 - So at the end of that conversation, 930 00:43:02,113 --> 00:43:05,848 We--we all actually hugged. [chuckles] 931 00:43:05,917 --> 00:43:07,216 We hugged and cried together. 932 00:43:07,285 --> 00:43:09,385 And he was crying a lot through it. 933 00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:12,188 We were, my mom and I. 934 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:15,858 - Because it was just a phenomenal feeling. 935 00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:19,395 I don't even know how to describe it. 936 00:43:19,463 --> 00:43:24,801 It was just almost like, ok, all that pain went away. 937 00:43:24,803 --> 00:43:28,470 - It was almost like this closing of an old chapter 938 00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:32,208 Or a closing of a book to start a new chapter. 939 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:39,115 ♪ ♪