1 00:00:11,402 --> 00:00:12,925 The last thing that she said to me 2 00:00:12,968 --> 00:00:14,666 before she went to sleep was... 3 00:00:16,363 --> 00:00:17,930 "Goodnight. I love you." 4 00:00:17,973 --> 00:00:20,411 ♪ 5 00:00:20,454 --> 00:00:24,067 And when I woke up, she was gone. 6 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:28,158 We get a phone call from patrol. 7 00:00:28,201 --> 00:00:30,377 They have a floater in the Hudson River. 8 00:00:30,421 --> 00:00:33,380 A single mother found dead. 9 00:00:33,424 --> 00:00:36,383 Lisa would never harm herself. 10 00:00:36,427 --> 00:00:38,907 Why she would be even close to the Hudson River. 11 00:00:38,951 --> 00:00:40,735 We started looking into her life. 12 00:00:40,779 --> 00:00:42,085 Who was she? 13 00:00:42,128 --> 00:00:45,305 Leaving several clues behind. 14 00:00:45,349 --> 00:00:46,741 The car was still outside. 15 00:00:46,785 --> 00:00:50,658 We're looking for who had access to her car. 16 00:00:50,702 --> 00:00:52,834 And leading detectives to uncover 17 00:00:52,878 --> 00:00:54,793 another man's dark past. 18 00:00:54,836 --> 00:00:57,187 We just realized we'd have a whole other world of things 19 00:00:57,230 --> 00:00:58,536 that we'd have to now look into 20 00:00:58,579 --> 00:01:01,016 in terms of understanding what his history was. 21 00:01:01,060 --> 00:01:03,106 And the first thing out of her mouth, 22 00:01:03,149 --> 00:01:05,195 "We told her, 'Stay away from that man.'" 23 00:01:09,808 --> 00:01:16,815 ♪ 24 00:01:23,126 --> 00:01:26,651 After 35 years on the NYPD, there's many tragic questions 25 00:01:26,694 --> 00:01:29,001 my fellow detectives and I still talk about. 26 00:01:29,044 --> 00:01:30,437 This is one we'll never shake. 27 00:01:32,744 --> 00:01:35,442 This is really a tricky case for our guys to crack, 28 00:01:35,486 --> 00:01:38,793 and our investigation took teams both on land 29 00:01:38,837 --> 00:01:40,230 and in the water. 30 00:01:43,494 --> 00:01:47,454 ♪ 31 00:01:47,498 --> 00:01:48,803 The cruise docks and piers 32 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:50,327 along the west side of Manhattan Island 33 00:01:50,370 --> 00:01:52,285 are popular spots for both tourists 34 00:01:52,329 --> 00:01:54,374 and local New Yorkers alike, 35 00:01:54,418 --> 00:01:57,203 but this one April morning before any sightseers arrived, 36 00:01:57,247 --> 00:01:58,987 a boat crew spots something strange. 37 00:02:03,688 --> 00:02:06,299 It was here that the great mystery began. 38 00:02:06,343 --> 00:02:09,215 911. Where's the emergency? 39 00:02:09,259 --> 00:02:11,174 It was a Sunday morning, 40 00:02:11,217 --> 00:02:13,741 and we got a phone call from patrol 41 00:02:13,785 --> 00:02:14,873 that they have a floater 42 00:02:14,916 --> 00:02:16,004 in the Hudson River 43 00:02:16,048 --> 00:02:17,702 at Chelsea Piers. 44 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:25,231 When we get to the location, that's when I found out 45 00:02:25,275 --> 00:02:27,320 she was pregnant. 46 00:02:27,364 --> 00:02:31,063 And we see paramedics doing CPR, 47 00:02:31,106 --> 00:02:32,499 working on this female, 48 00:02:32,543 --> 00:02:35,502 trying to save the unborn child. 49 00:02:35,546 --> 00:02:38,462 They relayed to me her body temperature was warm, 50 00:02:38,505 --> 00:02:41,421 so she wasn't in the water that long. 51 00:02:41,465 --> 00:02:42,683 The staff, the paramedics, 52 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:44,642 everybody did everything in their power, 53 00:02:44,685 --> 00:02:47,601 and they kept on working on her. 54 00:02:49,299 --> 00:02:52,519 But they couldn't save her. They couldn't save her child. 55 00:02:52,563 --> 00:02:57,524 ♪ 56 00:02:57,568 --> 00:03:00,527 She didn't have visible signs of any trauma to the body, 57 00:03:00,571 --> 00:03:05,924 no blood, no scratches, no marks at all. 58 00:03:05,967 --> 00:03:08,274 ♪ 59 00:03:08,318 --> 00:03:10,842 I initially thought this was a suicide. 60 00:03:10,885 --> 00:03:12,800 Maybe she was depressed. 61 00:03:12,844 --> 00:03:14,846 Maybe the father didn't want her and the baby. 62 00:03:14,889 --> 00:03:16,978 We had to have all those thoughts going on. 63 00:03:17,022 --> 00:03:19,764 NYPD detectives are baffled. 64 00:03:19,807 --> 00:03:22,636 What could have happened to this expectant mother? 65 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,074 As is standard in this type of situation, 66 00:03:26,118 --> 00:03:28,294 an autopsy is ordered. 67 00:03:28,338 --> 00:03:30,078 She had a military ID on her person, 68 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:33,256 so using that, we learned who she was. 69 00:03:33,299 --> 00:03:35,127 She was identified 70 00:03:35,170 --> 00:03:39,436 as 33-year-old Brooklynite Lisa Eatmon. 71 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:41,916 Next up was we have to check with her family, 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,178 make a notification with them, 73 00:03:43,222 --> 00:03:45,833 know that their family member had passed. 74 00:03:45,877 --> 00:03:48,706 We use our databases that the police department 75 00:03:48,749 --> 00:03:52,100 has access to to find an address. 76 00:03:52,144 --> 00:03:54,886 She had a vehicle registered to her name 77 00:03:54,929 --> 00:03:58,846 that matched the address that I came up with in Brooklyn. 78 00:03:58,890 --> 00:04:02,850 As we're pulling opposite Lisa's address, 79 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:04,330 I seen her car. 80 00:04:04,374 --> 00:04:06,985 And I told my partner, "There go her car." 81 00:04:07,028 --> 00:04:09,509 The puzzling discovery of Lisa Eatmon's car 82 00:04:09,553 --> 00:04:12,295 gives our detectives reason for pause. 83 00:04:12,338 --> 00:04:13,731 We know she didn't drive it over there 84 00:04:13,774 --> 00:04:18,779 to where we found her unless someone took her there. 85 00:04:18,823 --> 00:04:22,130 But she could have got to Manhattan many ways. 86 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:24,785 A bus, a cab, the subway. 87 00:04:24,829 --> 00:04:27,701 So she still could have got there on her own 88 00:04:27,745 --> 00:04:29,442 without the vehicle. 89 00:04:29,486 --> 00:04:31,052 Detective Vega and his partner 90 00:04:31,096 --> 00:04:32,750 make a mental note of the car 91 00:04:32,793 --> 00:04:35,013 and proceed to Lisa's apartment entrance. 92 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:40,279 As we knocked on the door, we were met by a young girl 93 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:42,281 and asked, "Does Lisa Eatmon live here?" 94 00:04:42,325 --> 00:04:44,544 And she told me yes. 95 00:04:44,588 --> 00:04:47,504 And I said, "Can I speak to your mom?" 96 00:04:47,547 --> 00:04:50,333 She told me, "That is my mom." 97 00:04:50,376 --> 00:04:53,118 I said to myself, "Oh, boy." 98 00:04:53,161 --> 00:04:54,467 ♪ 99 00:04:54,511 --> 00:04:56,817 The girl is 12-year-old Marsielle Eatmon, 100 00:04:56,861 --> 00:04:59,472 Lisa's daughter. 101 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:01,039 I asked her, "Can I come inside?" 102 00:05:01,082 --> 00:05:04,651 She told me, "Mommy told me never to let strangers in." 103 00:05:04,695 --> 00:05:06,523 So I said, "How about this? 104 00:05:06,566 --> 00:05:08,742 "How 'bout if I get on the radio 105 00:05:08,786 --> 00:05:12,920 "and I call a patrol car with a police officer in uniform 106 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:14,269 "and they come here, 107 00:05:14,313 --> 00:05:17,272 would you feel more comfortable to let me in?" 108 00:05:17,316 --> 00:05:20,363 She said yes, and she let us in the apartment. 109 00:05:20,406 --> 00:05:21,625 ♪ 110 00:05:21,668 --> 00:05:23,453 Vega and his partner bring Marsielle 111 00:05:23,496 --> 00:05:25,193 back to the 10th Precinct 112 00:05:25,237 --> 00:05:27,370 and await the arrival of Lisa's family 113 00:05:27,413 --> 00:05:31,112 to help break the unimaginable news to Marsielle. 114 00:05:31,156 --> 00:05:33,506 I'm a father of two. 115 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:36,074 And knowing that her mother's not coming back, 116 00:05:36,117 --> 00:05:37,684 how do you tell her? 117 00:05:37,728 --> 00:05:39,947 ♪ 118 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:41,732 I was very confused. 119 00:05:41,775 --> 00:05:44,474 I was just kind of like, "I don't know what's going on" 120 00:05:44,517 --> 00:05:47,738 and "Why am I here?" and "Where's my mom?" 121 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:50,436 ♪ 122 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,873 With young Marsielle waiting at the 10th Precinct, 123 00:05:52,917 --> 00:05:56,703 detectives notified Lisa's out-of-the-area family. 124 00:05:56,747 --> 00:06:02,579 April 3, 2005, we were at my dining room table 125 00:06:02,622 --> 00:06:04,145 when we received a phone call 126 00:06:04,189 --> 00:06:08,062 that they had found Lisa's body 127 00:06:08,106 --> 00:06:10,717 in the Hudson River, 128 00:06:10,761 --> 00:06:13,851 and I just yelled and dropped the phone. 129 00:06:17,158 --> 00:06:18,725 I didn't know what to think. 130 00:06:18,769 --> 00:06:24,296 All I heard was they found her body in the Hudson River. 131 00:06:24,339 --> 00:06:25,906 I could not even fathom 132 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:28,605 why she would have been in the Hudson River, 133 00:06:28,648 --> 00:06:30,911 why she would be even close to the Hudson River. 134 00:06:30,955 --> 00:06:33,740 ♪ 135 00:06:33,784 --> 00:06:37,440 Lisa and I were six years apart. 136 00:06:37,483 --> 00:06:39,093 We all grew up in Philadelphia. 137 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:44,142 And Lisa, she was very energetic, always fun-loving. 138 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:49,495 My aunt Lisa was very bubbly. 139 00:06:49,539 --> 00:06:52,803 She loved to dance, she loved to sing. 140 00:06:52,846 --> 00:06:55,327 She had that personality just to light up a room. 141 00:06:55,370 --> 00:06:57,721 ♪ 142 00:06:57,764 --> 00:07:00,898 When she went to high school, she went through ROTC. 143 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:05,555 My father had been in the Army, 144 00:07:05,598 --> 00:07:09,472 and she followed his footsteps into the Army. 145 00:07:09,515 --> 00:07:10,951 While she was in the military, 146 00:07:10,995 --> 00:07:13,519 she loved working on computers and machines, 147 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:16,391 so that was, like, her passion: to fix things. 148 00:07:16,435 --> 00:07:17,915 She traveled a lot 149 00:07:17,958 --> 00:07:21,266 and she just had a wonderful time in the military. 150 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:25,879 Her family tells detectives 151 00:07:25,923 --> 00:07:27,794 that during her time in the Army, 152 00:07:27,838 --> 00:07:30,623 Lisa fell in love with a fellow soldier. 153 00:07:32,146 --> 00:07:33,800 Lisa met Marsielle's father 154 00:07:33,844 --> 00:07:35,976 while they were in the military. 155 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:38,805 They were actually both stationed at the same place. 156 00:07:38,849 --> 00:07:40,285 They got married 157 00:07:40,328 --> 00:07:43,854 and they were together for approximately four years. 158 00:07:43,897 --> 00:07:47,074 There were some marriage issues, 159 00:07:47,118 --> 00:07:51,470 so they ended up having a divorce before I was even one. 160 00:07:51,514 --> 00:07:55,213 When Lisa and Marsielle's father split up, 161 00:07:55,256 --> 00:07:58,521 she decided to leave the military. 162 00:07:58,564 --> 00:08:00,697 We learned that in 2002, 163 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:02,829 after Lisa had completed her service, 164 00:08:02,873 --> 00:08:05,266 she decides a change of scenery is in order 165 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:09,749 and together with Marsielle, she heads to the big city. 166 00:08:09,793 --> 00:08:13,666 New York was definitely a new start for her. 167 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:16,626 She found a wonderful apartment she fell in love with, 168 00:08:16,669 --> 00:08:21,805 and she loved New York because of the arts and everything. 169 00:08:21,848 --> 00:08:25,199 Everything is in New York. They had the Fashion District. 170 00:08:25,243 --> 00:08:29,073 She was always into buying fabric, making things, 171 00:08:29,116 --> 00:08:33,120 so that was just her passion to be in New York. 172 00:08:33,164 --> 00:08:35,949 I was, like, 10 or 11, 173 00:08:35,993 --> 00:08:38,691 and moving to New York was definitely something 174 00:08:38,735 --> 00:08:40,737 that I feel like both of us needed. 175 00:08:40,780 --> 00:08:41,955 ♪ 176 00:08:41,999 --> 00:08:44,871 She loved doing things with Marsielle. 177 00:08:44,915 --> 00:08:47,787 The two of them together, they were amazing, 178 00:08:47,831 --> 00:08:50,137 the way they fed off of each other. 179 00:08:50,181 --> 00:08:51,138 ♪ 180 00:08:53,445 --> 00:08:55,273 Back at the 10th Precinct, 181 00:08:55,316 --> 00:08:57,492 while the 12-year-old waits for her family, 182 00:08:57,536 --> 00:08:58,842 she helps Detective Vega learn more 183 00:08:58,885 --> 00:09:00,757 about what might have happened to Lisa 184 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,368 by answering some questions. 185 00:09:03,411 --> 00:09:04,717 Then I asked Marsielle, 186 00:09:04,761 --> 00:09:07,198 "When was the last time you saw your mother?" 187 00:09:09,461 --> 00:09:11,028 The night before. 188 00:09:11,071 --> 00:09:14,640 We stayed up and watched shows together. 189 00:09:14,684 --> 00:09:16,773 And the last thing that she said to me 190 00:09:16,816 --> 00:09:19,950 before she went to sleep was, "Good night. I love you." 191 00:09:19,993 --> 00:09:22,082 She gave me a kiss on my forehead, 192 00:09:22,126 --> 00:09:24,084 and then, you know, she went into the back room 193 00:09:24,128 --> 00:09:28,306 to go to sleep while I stayed on the couch. 194 00:09:28,349 --> 00:09:32,440 And when I woke up, she was gone. 195 00:09:32,484 --> 00:09:34,660 ♪ 196 00:09:34,704 --> 00:09:39,578 That morning, the first thing I remember waking up 197 00:09:39,622 --> 00:09:44,801 is that my mom was not in her bedroom. 198 00:09:44,844 --> 00:09:48,761 Her car was still outside. 199 00:09:48,805 --> 00:09:52,025 It made me really uneasy. 200 00:09:52,069 --> 00:09:56,116 Her purse was scattered on the bed. 201 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,684 It was just weird. 202 00:09:58,728 --> 00:10:02,514 Everything was there. Just she wasn't there. 203 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,041 When Lisa's family finally arrives at the 10th Precinct, 204 00:10:08,085 --> 00:10:10,609 they are faced with having to tell Marsielle 205 00:10:10,653 --> 00:10:13,003 the truth about her mother. 206 00:10:13,046 --> 00:10:16,136 I found out that my mom passed... 207 00:10:18,704 --> 00:10:22,229 and I just cried instantly. 208 00:10:22,273 --> 00:10:25,668 I was just shocked. 209 00:10:25,711 --> 00:10:27,931 While consoling Lisa's family members, 210 00:10:27,974 --> 00:10:30,411 the NYPD detectives are pressed 211 00:10:30,455 --> 00:10:32,500 to continue their investigation. 212 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:34,677 We don't know if it was accidental. 213 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,722 Maybe she fell in the water by accident. 214 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,158 Maybe she dropped something in the water, 215 00:10:38,202 --> 00:10:40,639 and she went to retrieve it and slipped and fell, 216 00:10:40,683 --> 00:10:42,467 and she wasn't a good swimmer. 217 00:10:42,510 --> 00:10:45,644 We don't know if it was suicide. 218 00:10:45,688 --> 00:10:47,080 While speaking with her family, 219 00:10:47,124 --> 00:10:50,257 the NYPD detectives broach the difficult subject 220 00:10:50,301 --> 00:10:51,824 of Lisa's mental health. 221 00:10:51,868 --> 00:10:54,348 It never crossed our mind that she committed suicide. 222 00:10:54,392 --> 00:10:55,785 Never. 223 00:10:55,828 --> 00:10:57,917 Lisa would never harm herself, her unborn baby, 224 00:10:57,961 --> 00:11:01,181 or hurt Marsielle in no kind of way like that. 225 00:11:01,225 --> 00:11:02,705 ♪ 226 00:11:02,748 --> 00:11:04,532 The next morning, Detective Vega and his partner 227 00:11:04,576 --> 00:11:07,840 pay a visit to the office of the chief medical examiner 228 00:11:07,884 --> 00:11:11,191 and are stunned by their findings. 229 00:11:11,235 --> 00:11:13,106 The medical examiner recovers 230 00:11:13,150 --> 00:11:17,763 a small-caliber bullet from the back of Lisa's head, 231 00:11:17,807 --> 00:11:19,722 and I asked the medical examiner, 232 00:11:19,765 --> 00:11:23,203 "We didn't see this. How could that be?" 233 00:11:23,247 --> 00:11:26,337 She had a small, almost the size of a pencil eraser, 234 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:30,167 small-caliber bullet hole that was beneath her braids that, 235 00:11:30,210 --> 00:11:33,387 to the naked eye, you wouldn't see it. 236 00:11:33,431 --> 00:11:34,606 Once we realized 237 00:11:34,649 --> 00:11:36,521 she was shot in the back of the head, 238 00:11:36,564 --> 00:11:37,740 we got a homicide. 239 00:11:37,783 --> 00:11:40,046 Coming up... 240 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:42,135 Was she picked up at home by car? 241 00:11:42,179 --> 00:11:43,833 Was she dropped off? 242 00:11:43,876 --> 00:11:47,488 We needed to try to identify the last 24 hours of her life. 243 00:11:47,532 --> 00:11:49,055 He was a potential boyfriend. 244 00:11:49,099 --> 00:11:51,797 He was one of the last people to see her alive. 245 00:11:51,841 --> 00:11:54,713 You're telling us you had the car that night? 246 00:11:54,757 --> 00:11:55,018 Damn right he's a suspect. 247 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:10,773 ♪ 248 00:12:10,816 --> 00:12:13,601 After the medical examiner's surprising discovery 249 00:12:13,645 --> 00:12:15,516 during Lisa Eatmon's autopsy, 250 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,954 fellow NYPD detectives suddenly 251 00:12:17,997 --> 00:12:19,825 have a murder on their hands. 252 00:12:19,869 --> 00:12:21,479 ♪ 253 00:12:21,522 --> 00:12:25,178 This takes our investigation from an unknown cause of death 254 00:12:25,222 --> 00:12:26,832 into a homicide. 255 00:12:26,876 --> 00:12:29,008 It changes things completely. 256 00:12:29,052 --> 00:12:30,575 With this startling information, 257 00:12:30,618 --> 00:12:32,577 our investigators had to look at the facts they had 258 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:34,797 in order to piece together a timeline. 259 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,146 Marsielle last saw her mom 260 00:12:36,189 --> 00:12:38,365 between 1:30 and 2:00 in the morning. 261 00:12:38,409 --> 00:12:40,585 That's all I had. 262 00:12:40,628 --> 00:12:44,763 We knew she lived at location A in East New York, Brooklyn, 263 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:47,853 and she ended up in Manhattan at location B. 264 00:12:47,897 --> 00:12:50,421 Somewhere in between there, she traveled. 265 00:12:50,464 --> 00:12:51,552 How did she travel? 266 00:12:51,596 --> 00:12:53,380 Was she picked up at home by car? 267 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:55,078 Was she dropped off? 268 00:12:55,121 --> 00:12:56,731 We needed to lock in 269 00:12:56,775 --> 00:12:58,255 and really drill down and get granular 270 00:12:58,298 --> 00:13:01,040 and try to identify the last 24 hours of her life. 271 00:13:01,084 --> 00:13:04,435 ♪ 272 00:13:04,478 --> 00:13:06,611 We had a team of detectives 273 00:13:06,654 --> 00:13:09,179 that flooded Lisa Eatmon's neighborhood. 274 00:13:11,398 --> 00:13:13,226 Talked to neighbors. 275 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,011 We also had the K-9 unit come in... 276 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:20,364 They did the search from the apartment, through the street, 277 00:13:20,407 --> 00:13:22,366 trying to get Lisa's scent. 278 00:13:22,409 --> 00:13:24,368 The dog took us a couple blocks, 279 00:13:24,411 --> 00:13:26,544 but it just stopped walking. 280 00:13:26,587 --> 00:13:28,502 ♪ 281 00:13:28,546 --> 00:13:30,417 It seemed like she got in a vehicle 282 00:13:30,461 --> 00:13:32,593 and was taken from that spot. 283 00:13:32,637 --> 00:13:35,553 Lisa Eatmon was eight months pregnant, 284 00:13:35,596 --> 00:13:37,947 her body found floating in the Hudson River this weekend. 285 00:13:37,990 --> 00:13:39,992 While in the thick of the investigation, 286 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:43,169 New York City's press also catches wind of the tragedy. 287 00:13:43,213 --> 00:13:45,432 Eatmon lived in this Brooklyn apartment 288 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:47,130 with her 12-year-old daughter. 289 00:13:47,173 --> 00:13:48,174 Everyone had clippings 290 00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:51,308 of the "New York Daily News." 291 00:13:51,351 --> 00:13:52,787 "Hudson River Horror." 292 00:13:52,831 --> 00:13:54,485 For detectives, 293 00:13:54,528 --> 00:13:56,922 the presence of Lisa's car parked outside her house 294 00:13:56,966 --> 00:13:59,490 remains a major factor in this investigation, 295 00:13:59,533 --> 00:14:01,927 but we first needed to figure out 296 00:14:01,971 --> 00:14:03,233 where Lisa's car keys were, 297 00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:06,323 and so far, they were nowhere to be found. 298 00:14:06,366 --> 00:14:07,759 At that point, 299 00:14:07,802 --> 00:14:10,675 I'm thinking someone took her to the West Side. 300 00:14:10,718 --> 00:14:13,156 In an after effort to assess whether Lisa's car 301 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:14,331 is a piece of this puzzle, 302 00:14:14,374 --> 00:14:15,593 the team obtains a search warrant 303 00:14:15,636 --> 00:14:18,161 and has the car towed to the crime lab 304 00:14:18,204 --> 00:14:19,945 to look for all the usual evidence. 305 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:23,340 We're looking for hair, any sort of fibers, 306 00:14:23,383 --> 00:14:24,819 any fingerprints, 307 00:14:24,863 --> 00:14:26,386 anything that could possibly point us in a direction 308 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:29,868 as to who had access to her car and had been close to her. 309 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:32,915 ♪ 310 00:14:32,958 --> 00:14:34,655 While awaiting the crime lab's findings 311 00:14:34,699 --> 00:14:38,703 from the search of Lisa's car, back at the 10th Precinct, 312 00:14:38,746 --> 00:14:41,227 our detectives sit down with Lisa's family 313 00:14:41,271 --> 00:14:43,099 to learn more about their victim. 314 00:14:43,142 --> 00:14:45,275 We started looking into her life. 315 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:46,537 Who was she? 316 00:14:46,580 --> 00:14:48,017 Who were the people in her circle? 317 00:14:48,060 --> 00:14:52,325 Was there anybody who was jealous, love interests? 318 00:14:52,369 --> 00:14:53,718 Immediately, one of the main things 319 00:14:53,761 --> 00:14:54,980 you're going to look at, it was-- 320 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:56,460 you couldn't ignore it. She's pregnant. 321 00:14:56,503 --> 00:14:59,898 There's a father out there. Who was that father? 322 00:14:59,942 --> 00:15:03,293 Detectives learn that in the summer of 2004, 323 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:05,817 Lisa became pregnant with her second child. 324 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:08,994 Lisa and the father stopped seeing each other 325 00:15:09,038 --> 00:15:13,216 around the time that she had become pregnant, 326 00:15:13,259 --> 00:15:14,913 but she was okay with it. 327 00:15:14,957 --> 00:15:19,483 She called me, and she said, "I raised one child by myself, 328 00:15:19,526 --> 00:15:22,138 "and I had enough family and love around me 329 00:15:22,181 --> 00:15:24,270 to support me to raise the baby." 330 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:26,403 When detectives hear 331 00:15:26,446 --> 00:15:28,666 the unborn baby's father is out of the picture, 332 00:15:28,709 --> 00:15:31,582 their next interviewee comes into focus. 333 00:15:31,625 --> 00:15:35,412 The father was identified to us by her family. 334 00:15:35,455 --> 00:15:37,544 They suggested who they thought might be the father, 335 00:15:37,588 --> 00:15:39,285 and that was a boyfriend she'd been dealing with. 336 00:15:39,329 --> 00:15:41,200 ♪ 337 00:15:41,244 --> 00:15:43,550 The baby's father was believed to be Roscoe Glinton. 338 00:15:43,594 --> 00:15:47,032 I don't know who Roscoe is, but I have to speak to Roscoe. 339 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:52,864 We learn that Roscoe Glinton was a New York City employee. 340 00:15:52,907 --> 00:15:54,953 He worked for Department of Sanitation. 341 00:15:54,997 --> 00:15:57,738 We're like, "Oh, fellow city employee brother." 342 00:15:57,782 --> 00:16:00,872 Detective Tony Vega gets ahold of the 42-year-old 343 00:16:00,915 --> 00:16:03,048 and asks him to come in for an interview. 344 00:16:03,092 --> 00:16:05,746 ♪ 345 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:07,618 Roscoe comes in the precinct 346 00:16:07,661 --> 00:16:11,056 and he told me, "What is this about?" 347 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,451 I said, "Listen. You want something to drink?" 348 00:16:14,494 --> 00:16:16,279 Goes, "Sure, give me a cup of water, officer." 349 00:16:16,322 --> 00:16:20,500 So I get him a cup, give it to him, 350 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:22,894 and I tell him, "I'm sorry to tell you this, 351 00:16:22,937 --> 00:16:27,464 "but, um, Lisa Eatmon was found dead 352 00:16:27,507 --> 00:16:29,988 "floating in the Hudson River. 353 00:16:30,032 --> 00:16:33,035 I heard that you could be the father of the child." 354 00:16:34,514 --> 00:16:37,213 Roscoe appears genuinely distraught by the news 355 00:16:37,256 --> 00:16:40,564 and is forthcoming about his relationship with Lisa. 356 00:16:40,607 --> 00:16:45,177 Roscoe informed me that he met Lisa while working. 357 00:16:45,221 --> 00:16:46,613 They exchanged numbers, 358 00:16:46,657 --> 00:16:49,399 and they started dating immediately after that. 359 00:16:49,442 --> 00:16:54,012 Roscoe says his relationship with Lisa soon became serious. 360 00:16:54,056 --> 00:16:56,449 They bonded over single parenthood. 361 00:16:56,493 --> 00:16:58,147 Lisa had Marsielle 362 00:16:58,190 --> 00:17:01,672 while Roscoe was widowed with three children of his own. 363 00:17:01,715 --> 00:17:03,674 When I first met Roscoe, 364 00:17:03,717 --> 00:17:09,375 he seemed like a really kind person, genuine. 365 00:17:09,419 --> 00:17:11,725 He treated us as family. 366 00:17:11,769 --> 00:17:15,729 He also seemed to treat his own children well. 367 00:17:15,773 --> 00:17:17,427 It felt more like a family setting 368 00:17:17,470 --> 00:17:21,387 versus just, you know, this guy who has a interest in my mom. 369 00:17:21,431 --> 00:17:22,693 During his interview, 370 00:17:22,736 --> 00:17:24,912 Roscoe gives detectives additional insight 371 00:17:24,956 --> 00:17:27,176 into his relationship with Lisa. 372 00:17:27,219 --> 00:17:30,396 He goes, "Yeah, we dated, but we broke that off. 373 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,832 I haven't seen her in months." 374 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:33,312 And then I told him, "You know, she was pregnant." 375 00:17:33,356 --> 00:17:36,359 He goes, "Yeah, she told me that I might be the dad, 376 00:17:36,402 --> 00:17:38,622 "but I don't think I'm the father 377 00:17:38,665 --> 00:17:42,669 "because she had other relationships. 378 00:17:43,714 --> 00:17:47,065 So it could be any of those guys, the father." 379 00:17:47,109 --> 00:17:49,372 While Roscoe might be telling the truth about Lisa 380 00:17:49,415 --> 00:17:51,504 having another man in her life, 381 00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:53,985 our detectives aren't ready to bite. 382 00:17:54,028 --> 00:17:56,640 Investigators press Roscoe on his whereabouts 383 00:17:56,683 --> 00:17:58,772 the night of Lisa's murder. 384 00:17:58,816 --> 00:18:00,513 His alibi was that he'd gone out with the guys 385 00:18:00,557 --> 00:18:01,819 from his sanitation depot. 386 00:18:01,862 --> 00:18:04,517 They were going to have a couple of drinks. 387 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,693 He was there all night with the guys. 388 00:18:06,737 --> 00:18:10,262 He got home between 4:00 and 5:00 in the morning. 389 00:18:10,306 --> 00:18:11,742 Roscoe tells our detectives 390 00:18:11,785 --> 00:18:14,223 that they're wasting their time speaking to him. 391 00:18:14,266 --> 00:18:17,922 Roscoe said that he thought Lisa was dating another man, 392 00:18:17,965 --> 00:18:20,925 a neighbor near where she lived. 393 00:18:20,968 --> 00:18:25,495 He thought that maybe that was a lead for them. 394 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:26,931 He stuck to his story. 395 00:18:26,974 --> 00:18:30,108 He had no reason to do this to her. 396 00:18:30,152 --> 00:18:32,893 Roscoe is free to go, but little does he know 397 00:18:32,937 --> 00:18:37,898 he has inadvertently just done us a tremendous service. 398 00:18:37,942 --> 00:18:40,771 And he left, but he left the cup. 399 00:18:40,814 --> 00:18:43,948 So now I know I got DNA. 400 00:18:43,991 --> 00:18:48,126 I took that cup right away to the police lab 401 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:50,433 for a DNA test. 402 00:18:52,304 --> 00:18:56,134 If he's not the father, doesn't mean he didn't do it, 403 00:18:56,178 --> 00:18:58,571 but at least we know he's not the father. 404 00:18:58,615 --> 00:19:01,313 But if he is, the level goes up a little bit. 405 00:19:01,357 --> 00:19:03,533 ♪ 406 00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:05,274 While waiting for those results, 407 00:19:05,317 --> 00:19:09,016 Detective Vega begins working to corroborate Roscoe's alibi, 408 00:19:09,060 --> 00:19:11,149 and our other detectives seek out the man 409 00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:14,848 who Roscoe alleged was the actual father of Lisa's baby 410 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:17,677 and her potential killer, 411 00:19:17,721 --> 00:19:20,158 but our detectives didn't need to do much searching 412 00:19:20,202 --> 00:19:23,292 to find this mystery boyfriend. 413 00:19:23,335 --> 00:19:25,946 The other team of detectives are at Lisa's home, 414 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:29,298 and a male shows up, and a detective at the scene 415 00:19:29,341 --> 00:19:32,953 told him that Lisa Eatmon had just passed. 416 00:19:32,997 --> 00:19:34,172 And he goes, "How could that be? 417 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:37,784 "I just borrowed her car the night before. 418 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:42,746 I got her car keys here." 419 00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:43,877 We're looking at each other. 420 00:19:43,921 --> 00:19:44,226 I said, "This has to be the person." 421 00:19:56,499 --> 00:19:58,631 During their interview with Lisa's one-time boyfriend, 422 00:19:58,675 --> 00:19:59,806 Roscoe Glinton, 423 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,417 detectives learn that Lisa may have had 424 00:20:01,460 --> 00:20:03,680 a more recent romantic partner, 425 00:20:03,723 --> 00:20:06,248 one who might be the father of her child. 426 00:20:06,291 --> 00:20:08,162 And luckily for detectives, 427 00:20:08,206 --> 00:20:12,079 this alleged recent boyfriend shows up at Lisa's front door 428 00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:15,387 while officers are safeguarding the property. 429 00:20:15,431 --> 00:20:16,693 And a detective at the scene 430 00:20:16,736 --> 00:20:20,044 told him that Lisa Eatmon had just passed. 431 00:20:20,087 --> 00:20:22,220 And he goes, "How could that be? 432 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:24,657 "I just borrowed her car the night before. 433 00:20:24,701 --> 00:20:26,659 I got her car keys here." 434 00:20:28,661 --> 00:20:31,185 The team have been looking for Lisa's car keys, 435 00:20:31,229 --> 00:20:34,232 and now the detectives have the answer. 436 00:20:34,276 --> 00:20:36,495 But they also have a brand-new lead. 437 00:20:36,539 --> 00:20:40,934 He acknowledged that him and Lisa had a relationship. 438 00:20:40,978 --> 00:20:43,415 It was not a steady relationship, 439 00:20:43,459 --> 00:20:47,463 but, you know, they did have a sexual relationship. 440 00:20:48,986 --> 00:20:50,509 This new mystery boyfriend 441 00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:53,643 also seems genuinely shocked by the news of her death, 442 00:20:53,686 --> 00:20:57,516 but he also acknowledges that he saw Lisa on Saturday night, 443 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,563 which makes him one of the few known people 444 00:21:00,606 --> 00:21:04,871 aside from Marsielle to have last seen Lisa Eatmon alive. 445 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:08,266 He stated the last time he saw Lisa 446 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:10,050 was the night before he went to work. 447 00:21:10,094 --> 00:21:12,270 He had car trouble 448 00:21:12,314 --> 00:21:14,707 and he called her up if he could borrow her car. 449 00:21:14,751 --> 00:21:17,144 He'd done it in the past, and Lisa always said, 450 00:21:17,188 --> 00:21:18,537 "You can borrow my car. No problem. 451 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:20,539 Just bring me the keys the next day." 452 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:23,760 And he got the keys from her, went to work, 453 00:21:23,803 --> 00:21:26,850 and when he came back to return her keys, 454 00:21:26,893 --> 00:21:28,286 that's when he saw the police 455 00:21:28,330 --> 00:21:31,333 and the detectives at Lisa's apartment. 456 00:21:31,376 --> 00:21:33,030 The crime lab still hasn't finished 457 00:21:33,073 --> 00:21:34,727 processing Lisa's car, 458 00:21:34,771 --> 00:21:38,383 but Lisa's family confirms Lisa's friend's story. 459 00:21:38,427 --> 00:21:42,256 He would help her out a little bit with Marsielle. 460 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:43,780 She would help him out. 461 00:21:43,823 --> 00:21:47,305 It was very common for Lisa's friend to borrow her car. 462 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:49,568 When we interview him, he says he worked 463 00:21:49,612 --> 00:21:52,397 the midnight shift to 8:00 in the morning 464 00:21:52,441 --> 00:21:54,443 and brought the car back. 465 00:21:54,486 --> 00:21:58,925 He parked it, went home, and that was his alibi. 466 00:21:58,969 --> 00:22:01,972 But Lisa's neighbor was one of the last people 467 00:22:02,015 --> 00:22:03,365 to see her alive. 468 00:22:03,408 --> 00:22:07,499 He was a potential boyfriend and he had her car. 469 00:22:07,543 --> 00:22:09,283 He was definitely a suspect 470 00:22:09,327 --> 00:22:14,376 because you're telling us you had the car that night. 471 00:22:14,419 --> 00:22:15,681 Damn right, he's a suspect. 472 00:22:15,725 --> 00:22:17,596 The team is now even more eager 473 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,207 to get the lab results back on the car. 474 00:22:20,251 --> 00:22:21,470 If there's any trace of evidence 475 00:22:21,513 --> 00:22:23,863 linking this friend to Lisa's murder, 476 00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:27,476 the detectives would have their main suspect. 477 00:22:32,481 --> 00:22:35,440 In the next several days while waiting for those results, 478 00:22:35,484 --> 00:22:37,790 some of our guys follow up on her ex, 479 00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:40,924 Roscoe Glinton's alibi, to account for his whereabouts 480 00:22:40,967 --> 00:22:42,186 when Lisa was killed. 481 00:22:42,229 --> 00:22:44,754 Where Roscoe says that night, 482 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:50,281 there was a going away party for one of my coworkers, 483 00:22:50,324 --> 00:22:53,545 and we all gathered to go to this bar. 484 00:22:53,589 --> 00:22:56,156 ♪ 485 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:57,767 Video was found inside the bar 486 00:22:57,810 --> 00:22:59,899 that teammates of mine were able to watch 487 00:22:59,943 --> 00:23:02,946 that they see Roscoe enter in with his colleagues 488 00:23:02,989 --> 00:23:05,470 and they're having a good time. 489 00:23:05,514 --> 00:23:07,994 Roscoe's alibi appears pretty solid, 490 00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:09,474 so while awaiting the results 491 00:23:09,518 --> 00:23:11,345 from Roscoe's DNA paternity test, 492 00:23:11,389 --> 00:23:14,479 our team shifts back to Lisa's other guy, 493 00:23:14,523 --> 00:23:17,874 the one Roscoe swears is actually the baby's father. 494 00:23:17,917 --> 00:23:21,486 Roscoe said that he thought Lisa was dating another man, 495 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:24,315 a neighbor near where she lived. 496 00:23:24,358 --> 00:23:26,535 Detectives learn Lisa's friend is an employee 497 00:23:26,578 --> 00:23:28,493 of the New York City Port Authority, 498 00:23:28,537 --> 00:23:30,539 a midtown Manhattan bus terminal 499 00:23:30,582 --> 00:23:34,194 which just so happens to be located suspiciously close 500 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,675 to where Lisa's body was found. 501 00:23:36,719 --> 00:23:39,461 We were ultimately able to drill down 502 00:23:39,504 --> 00:23:41,680 and find that he had been in fact at work 503 00:23:41,724 --> 00:23:43,682 on the night that she was killed. 504 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:47,512 Lisa's friend was at his job, seen on video, 505 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:49,819 and as an added bonus, 506 00:23:49,862 --> 00:23:52,822 he punched in and out of a clock. 507 00:23:52,865 --> 00:23:56,260 That helped boost his alibi's credibility. 508 00:23:56,303 --> 00:23:57,957 But in addition, 509 00:23:58,001 --> 00:23:59,959 the crime lab finally finishes their search 510 00:24:00,003 --> 00:24:02,701 of Lisa's vehicle that he borrowed. 511 00:24:02,745 --> 00:24:07,619 We search it for any DNA, any blood stains, 512 00:24:07,663 --> 00:24:09,708 and, um... 513 00:24:09,752 --> 00:24:12,015 it was a clean. There was nothing there. 514 00:24:12,058 --> 00:24:13,756 ♪ 515 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:16,585 With news of the lab results and after verifying his alibi, 516 00:24:16,628 --> 00:24:18,151 detectives are now certain 517 00:24:18,195 --> 00:24:21,154 that Lisa's neighborhood boyfriend was not involved. 518 00:24:21,198 --> 00:24:25,245 However, we still didn't have anything on Roscoe either. 519 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:26,943 ♪ 520 00:24:26,986 --> 00:24:29,728 But our detectives feel they might just be back in business 521 00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,469 when a few days into their investigation, 522 00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:35,778 Lisa's cell phone logs finally come in to the 10th Precinct. 523 00:24:35,821 --> 00:24:38,476 When we got records, we see that she gets a call 524 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,044 at 3:00 in the morning. 525 00:24:41,087 --> 00:24:44,090 We don't know who's calling Lisa at that time. 526 00:24:49,574 --> 00:24:50,662 That number, it turned out, 527 00:24:50,706 --> 00:24:53,622 was from a pay phone at a gas station. 528 00:24:53,665 --> 00:24:56,581 Why would a person want to use a gas station phone 529 00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:58,104 instead of using their own cell phone? 530 00:24:59,671 --> 00:25:02,500 That kind of gave us the impression of intent, 531 00:25:02,544 --> 00:25:04,328 a person looking to cover their tracks. 532 00:25:06,330 --> 00:25:10,334 But most suspicious is that the pay phone is located 533 00:25:10,377 --> 00:25:13,990 just a few blocks away from Lisa's home. 534 00:25:14,033 --> 00:25:19,125 Once we got the news from the pay phone, 535 00:25:19,169 --> 00:25:20,562 we're looking at each other. 536 00:25:20,605 --> 00:25:22,912 I said, "That's her last call she ever received." 537 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:25,523 So she knew the person that called her, 538 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:26,959 you know, and she spoke to the person, 539 00:25:27,003 --> 00:25:30,267 so now I know he's the main suspect. 540 00:25:32,574 --> 00:25:34,010 Coming up... 541 00:25:34,053 --> 00:25:37,013 His first wife had gone missing seven years earlier. 542 00:25:37,056 --> 00:25:40,799 They didn't find any trace of her. There was nothing. 543 00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:44,107 He shut down. He said, "Call my lawyer." 544 00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:44,629 So they couldn't question him anymore. 545 00:25:59,513 --> 00:26:02,255 ♪ 546 00:26:02,299 --> 00:26:04,649 After Lisa Eatmon's cell phone logs reveal 547 00:26:04,693 --> 00:26:06,651 a mysterious 3:00 a.m. call 548 00:26:06,695 --> 00:26:08,305 from a nearby gas station, 549 00:26:08,348 --> 00:26:10,046 NYPD detectives are eager 550 00:26:10,089 --> 00:26:13,310 to dive into their strongest lead to date. 551 00:26:13,353 --> 00:26:18,620 Once we got the news from the pay phone, 552 00:26:18,663 --> 00:26:19,925 we're looking at each other. 553 00:26:19,969 --> 00:26:21,448 I said, "This has to be the person." 554 00:26:21,492 --> 00:26:25,365 So we sent a team of detectives to the gas station 555 00:26:25,409 --> 00:26:27,063 to see if they had any surveillance cameras, 556 00:26:27,106 --> 00:26:28,368 the surrounding buildings, 557 00:26:28,412 --> 00:26:32,155 surrounding homes, surrounding businesses. 558 00:26:32,198 --> 00:26:34,984 We were not fortunate enough to find any sort of video 559 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,944 that corroborated anyone's presence at that location. 560 00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:41,468 Another dead end. 561 00:26:41,512 --> 00:26:42,818 But like always, 562 00:26:42,861 --> 00:26:45,559 the team keeps their focus on the main goal: 563 00:26:45,603 --> 00:26:49,346 getting justice for Lisa and for her unborn child. 564 00:26:49,389 --> 00:26:53,655 ♪ 565 00:26:53,698 --> 00:26:55,831 And as the investigation continues, 566 00:26:55,874 --> 00:26:58,181 back in her hometown of Philadelphia, 567 00:26:58,224 --> 00:26:59,922 Lisa's family lays her to rest 568 00:26:59,965 --> 00:27:02,054 one week after her murder. 569 00:27:02,098 --> 00:27:04,404 I feel as though nobody should ever have wanted 570 00:27:04,448 --> 00:27:06,189 to hurt her in this way. 571 00:27:06,232 --> 00:27:08,365 She was just murdered, and her unborn baby 572 00:27:08,408 --> 00:27:11,585 was not able to take its first breath. 573 00:27:11,629 --> 00:27:12,848 We were devastated. 574 00:27:12,891 --> 00:27:15,589 I was just so heartbroken. 575 00:27:15,633 --> 00:27:17,156 I had two Beanie Babies. 576 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,596 I put one in her casket and I kept one for me, too. 577 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,209 It was overwhelming for me. 578 00:27:26,252 --> 00:27:31,040 He left a motherless daughter, 579 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:33,912 a baby that the mother was carrying. 580 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:37,350 You want to catch this guy. You want to get him. 581 00:27:40,397 --> 00:27:44,270 ♪ 582 00:27:45,619 --> 00:27:48,405 In search of new leads, the NYPD taps into 583 00:27:48,448 --> 00:27:50,973 other New York City law enforcement agencies, 584 00:27:51,016 --> 00:27:54,759 and soon enough, detectives catch a big break. 585 00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:59,242 We get a call from the DEA, and we find out that the DEA 586 00:27:59,285 --> 00:28:01,157 was running their own investigation 587 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,420 on the same block that the bar was at 588 00:28:03,463 --> 00:28:07,598 where Roscoe and his coworkers were having this party. 589 00:28:07,641 --> 00:28:09,252 NYPD's branch of the DEA 590 00:28:09,295 --> 00:28:11,515 was in the midst of an unrelated operation 591 00:28:11,558 --> 00:28:14,779 and they just happened to be surveilling that same area. 592 00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:16,476 And luckily for us, 593 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,740 Lisa Eatmon's investigation was a big topic of discussion 594 00:28:18,783 --> 00:28:22,439 among other New York City law enforcement agencies. 595 00:28:22,482 --> 00:28:24,223 And we got word from them, "Hey, listen. 596 00:28:24,267 --> 00:28:27,705 "We got surveillance of that block. 597 00:28:27,749 --> 00:28:30,403 If you guys need it, let us know." 598 00:28:30,447 --> 00:28:33,929 It happened to be that the DEA was there that night. 599 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:38,498 But during the interview, Roscoe tells them 600 00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:41,240 he gets to the bar around 12:00, 12:30 at night, 601 00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:44,809 and he's there for hours with the guys. 602 00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:46,637 But with the DEA tape, 603 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,728 the surveillance shows Roscoe leaving before that, 604 00:28:50,772 --> 00:28:52,730 leaving earlier. 605 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:55,733 Where does he go next? That remained to be found out. 606 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:58,823 And we had to figure out another way to delve into that. 607 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:01,130 ♪ 608 00:29:01,173 --> 00:29:04,089 Detectives decide it's time to seek answers by way 609 00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:07,789 of an unexpected source... 610 00:29:07,832 --> 00:29:11,140 Mrs. Glinton. 611 00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,185 From our interviews, we learn that he was married 612 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:15,579 and that would definitely create a dynamic 613 00:29:15,622 --> 00:29:18,103 that could be, uh, that could lead to motivation 614 00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:21,324 to want to get rid of his pregnant girlfriend. 615 00:29:21,367 --> 00:29:23,108 Roscoe may have been forthcoming with Lisa 616 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:25,371 about being widowed by his first wife, 617 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:28,418 but was he as upfront about having remarried? 618 00:29:28,461 --> 00:29:31,987 Lisa did not know that Roscoe was married, initially. 619 00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:34,816 I believe at some point she did find out, 620 00:29:34,859 --> 00:29:39,124 but it was after she found out that she was pregnant. 621 00:29:39,168 --> 00:29:40,560 Even though he's married, 622 00:29:40,604 --> 00:29:43,781 he's having this relationship with Lisa. 623 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:47,002 So I met his wife and we spoke 624 00:29:47,045 --> 00:29:49,395 and she didn't know Lisa. 625 00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:52,877 She just knew about her when she saw it on the news. 626 00:29:52,921 --> 00:29:54,879 And she was surprised that Roscoe 627 00:29:54,923 --> 00:29:58,230 could be possibly the father of her child. 628 00:29:58,274 --> 00:29:59,666 ♪ 629 00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:01,886 She was adamant that he wouldn't be involved. 630 00:30:01,930 --> 00:30:03,148 She was stoic. 631 00:30:03,192 --> 00:30:07,022 She completely believed in him. 632 00:30:07,065 --> 00:30:09,720 Despite staunchly standing by her man, 633 00:30:09,763 --> 00:30:11,287 she does tell Detective Vega 634 00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:14,594 that Roscoe had been acting peculiar a few nights ago. 635 00:30:14,638 --> 00:30:17,336 The wife told me that the evening Lisa went missing, 636 00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:21,558 he went to this bar in the city with his coworkers. 637 00:30:21,601 --> 00:30:25,518 And Roscoe was out late, and she was worried, 638 00:30:25,562 --> 00:30:29,131 so she was calling him because she knew they had to go 639 00:30:29,174 --> 00:30:32,917 to Pennsylvania the next day to go to a family barbecue. 640 00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:38,140 And she's calling him nonstop, and he's not answering. 641 00:30:38,183 --> 00:30:42,405 So she says when Roscoe got home, 642 00:30:42,448 --> 00:30:44,668 he came in early in the morning. 643 00:30:44,711 --> 00:30:45,843 And she said, "Where were you? 644 00:30:45,887 --> 00:30:48,672 I must have called you over 100 times." 645 00:30:48,715 --> 00:30:51,762 He said, "Oh, I was at the bar with the fellas. 646 00:30:51,805 --> 00:30:53,938 It was so noisy." 647 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:55,331 She tells Detective Vega 648 00:30:55,374 --> 00:30:57,811 how later that day at the barbecue, 649 00:30:57,855 --> 00:30:59,378 Roscoe seemed pretty agitated 650 00:30:59,422 --> 00:31:02,251 and wanted to return to the city. 651 00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:05,123 After driving back to New York, 652 00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:08,170 Roscoe tells her, "Before we go home, 653 00:31:08,213 --> 00:31:10,868 "I want to stop by the sanitation garage. 654 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:15,090 I want to pick something-- get something at the garage." 655 00:31:15,133 --> 00:31:18,223 He pulls up right in front of the garage. 656 00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:21,531 He looks at it 657 00:31:21,574 --> 00:31:25,796 and proceeded to drive south on the West Side Highway. 658 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:27,145 And she tells him, 659 00:31:27,189 --> 00:31:29,017 "Didn't you want to stop and get something there?" 660 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:31,454 "Eh, I'll get it on Monday. 661 00:31:31,497 --> 00:31:33,456 I'll get it on Monday when I go back to work." 662 00:31:33,499 --> 00:31:34,979 ♪ 663 00:31:35,023 --> 00:31:37,982 Lisa was found, like, approximately a half a mile 664 00:31:38,026 --> 00:31:40,332 from where Roscoe worked at. 665 00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:42,639 ♪ 666 00:31:42,682 --> 00:31:43,988 Rang some bells there. 667 00:31:44,032 --> 00:31:44,989 I was like, "Wait a minute. 668 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:46,991 This is too close for comfort." 669 00:31:47,035 --> 00:31:47,296 ♪ 670 00:32:03,747 --> 00:32:06,750 The NYPD detective squad sets out to explore 671 00:32:06,793 --> 00:32:10,232 the latest major possible lead about Roscoe Glinton. 672 00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,017 The new information, 673 00:32:13,061 --> 00:32:15,846 provided by his current wife, Mrs. Glinton, 674 00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:18,718 helps shed light on their prime suspect's whereabouts 675 00:32:18,762 --> 00:32:20,982 from the night of Lisa's murder. 676 00:32:21,025 --> 00:32:22,766 ♪ 677 00:32:22,809 --> 00:32:24,855 Meanwhile, ongoing efforts to speak 678 00:32:24,898 --> 00:32:26,726 with people in Lisa's inner circle 679 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:28,032 lead to one of her friends 680 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:31,470 sharing a staggering bit of information. 681 00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:34,212 The first thing out of her mouth... 682 00:32:34,256 --> 00:32:38,608 "Roscoe Glinton did it. Roscoe Glinton killed her. 683 00:32:38,651 --> 00:32:40,523 We told her, 'Stay away from that man.'" 684 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:46,355 And they went into a tale explaining that they'd heard 685 00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:47,530 that he'd been involved 686 00:32:47,573 --> 00:32:49,749 in the disappearance of his first wife. 687 00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:51,316 Lisa Eatmon's friend somehow knew 688 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,624 that Roscoe had skeletons in his closet. 689 00:32:54,667 --> 00:32:55,886 With this new revelation, 690 00:32:55,929 --> 00:32:57,801 our detectives put all our resources 691 00:32:57,844 --> 00:33:01,152 into learning as much about Mr. Glinton as possible. 692 00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:03,589 We just realized we'd have a whole other world of things 693 00:33:03,633 --> 00:33:05,722 that we'd have to now start to look into 694 00:33:05,765 --> 00:33:08,725 in terms of understanding the suspect, his involvement, 695 00:33:08,768 --> 00:33:11,075 and really what his history was. 696 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:12,903 ♪ 697 00:33:12,946 --> 00:33:15,558 Roscoe's first wife, Deborah, 698 00:33:15,601 --> 00:33:18,909 had gone missing seven years earlier in Newburgh, 699 00:33:18,952 --> 00:33:23,783 a town about an hour and a half north of New York. 700 00:33:23,827 --> 00:33:27,483 I called Newburgh Police Department right away. 701 00:33:27,526 --> 00:33:29,354 The detective answered, 702 00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:32,357 and I asked him about Roscoe Glinton. 703 00:33:32,401 --> 00:33:35,273 ♪ 704 00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:39,538 Detective Vega is informed that on June 20, 1998, 705 00:33:39,582 --> 00:33:42,106 the dentist office where Deborah Glinton worked 706 00:33:42,150 --> 00:33:45,544 called the police after their always-reliable assistant 707 00:33:45,588 --> 00:33:47,155 never arrived for her shift. 708 00:33:47,198 --> 00:33:49,766 We learned that Roscoe was the number one suspect 709 00:33:49,809 --> 00:33:52,943 in the disappearance of Deborah Glinton. 710 00:33:52,986 --> 00:33:56,251 Investigators working in that town 711 00:33:56,294 --> 00:33:59,341 conducted extensive searches. 712 00:33:59,384 --> 00:34:02,518 They didn't find any trace of her. 713 00:34:02,561 --> 00:34:05,347 There was nothing. 714 00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:06,739 A short time later, 715 00:34:06,783 --> 00:34:08,437 Roscoe Glinton moved with his three children 716 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,787 down to Brooklyn to start anew. 717 00:34:10,830 --> 00:34:13,616 All the while, he maintained he had no involvement 718 00:34:13,659 --> 00:34:15,487 in his wife's disappearance. 719 00:34:15,531 --> 00:34:19,535 Deborah Glinton seems to have vanished into thin air. 720 00:34:19,578 --> 00:34:22,146 Until an unexpected discovery 721 00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:25,541 on the morning of November 24, 2001. 722 00:34:25,584 --> 00:34:28,109 Approximately three years later, 723 00:34:28,152 --> 00:34:30,502 her remains are found by a hunter 724 00:34:30,546 --> 00:34:33,549 along the New York State Thruway. 725 00:34:33,592 --> 00:34:36,421 Deborah Glinton was identified 726 00:34:36,465 --> 00:34:38,293 through her dental records. 727 00:34:40,338 --> 00:34:41,818 And once they called Roscoe, 728 00:34:41,861 --> 00:34:45,387 "Listen, we've found Deborah's remains," he shut down. 729 00:34:46,649 --> 00:34:48,172 He said, "Call my lawyer." 730 00:34:48,216 --> 00:34:50,479 So they couldn't question him anymore. 731 00:34:50,522 --> 00:34:53,003 The medical examiner in Upstate New York 732 00:34:53,046 --> 00:34:55,484 couldn't determine cause of death. 733 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:56,920 Didn't have enough evidence, 734 00:34:56,963 --> 00:34:59,575 so they couldn't charge Roscoe with the murder 735 00:34:59,618 --> 00:35:01,707 because they didn't know if it was accidental, 736 00:35:01,751 --> 00:35:02,926 a homicide. 737 00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:04,493 ♪ 738 00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:09,150 When I look at what happened with Deborah Glinton, 739 00:35:09,193 --> 00:35:13,763 it was easy to compare what had just happened with my sister. 740 00:35:13,806 --> 00:35:16,331 They were both at home at one point. 741 00:35:16,374 --> 00:35:22,163 They left home, but then they never returned home. 742 00:35:22,206 --> 00:35:23,599 And I thought it was so weird 743 00:35:23,642 --> 00:35:25,514 because they looked almost alike, 744 00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:27,429 Deborah and my mom. 745 00:35:27,472 --> 00:35:29,213 Like, the same facial features. 746 00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:32,085 It was just so weird. 747 00:35:32,129 --> 00:35:34,349 Newburgh PD did not have enough evidence 748 00:35:34,392 --> 00:35:38,048 to prove that Deborah's death was a homicide. 749 00:35:38,091 --> 00:35:39,702 It's important in an investigation like this 750 00:35:39,745 --> 00:35:41,704 that we keep things in perspective. 751 00:35:41,747 --> 00:35:44,794 Roscoe's first wife, Deborah, was found deceased, 752 00:35:44,837 --> 00:35:46,796 but her cause of death was never determined, 753 00:35:46,839 --> 00:35:48,493 and Roscoe was never officially charged 754 00:35:48,537 --> 00:35:49,886 with anything 755 00:35:49,929 --> 00:35:52,236 as there was nothing for him to be charged with. 756 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,672 So in our line of work, 757 00:35:53,716 --> 00:35:55,631 we can't let things like this cloud our judgment. 758 00:35:55,674 --> 00:35:57,110 We have a job to do, 759 00:35:57,154 --> 00:36:01,419 and our job was to determine who killed Lisa Eatmon. 760 00:36:01,463 --> 00:36:03,334 Back in Manhattan, 761 00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:06,990 our NYPD detectives remain more determined than ever 762 00:36:07,033 --> 00:36:09,558 to crack this complex case. 763 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:11,081 New York City Police Department, 764 00:36:11,124 --> 00:36:13,214 it's the best police department that I know of. 765 00:36:13,257 --> 00:36:18,393 I mean, just the equipment, the knowledge, the experience, 766 00:36:18,436 --> 00:36:19,916 it's top notch. 767 00:36:19,959 --> 00:36:21,657 That's why the call us the finest. 768 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:23,267 ♪ 769 00:36:23,311 --> 00:36:26,836 With Roscoe's cell phone geolocation data now in hand, 770 00:36:26,879 --> 00:36:28,838 our detectives are able to track his movements 771 00:36:28,881 --> 00:36:32,102 from the night Lisa Eatmon was killed. 772 00:36:32,145 --> 00:36:33,669 In the course of the investigation, 773 00:36:33,712 --> 00:36:35,584 we were able to recover 774 00:36:35,627 --> 00:36:37,803 all the locations for the cell sites 775 00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:39,936 that Roscoe's phone was pinging off of 776 00:36:39,979 --> 00:36:44,114 during that window of time where Lisa had met her demise. 777 00:36:44,157 --> 00:36:47,335 He'd received dozens upon dozens 778 00:36:47,378 --> 00:36:49,424 of phone calls from his wife. 779 00:36:49,467 --> 00:36:52,427 And there's nothing that an ignored person does more 780 00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:54,690 than just call you more and more. 781 00:36:54,733 --> 00:36:56,953 Every one of those phone calls gave me a pin, 782 00:36:56,996 --> 00:36:58,998 a digital footprint. 783 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:00,957 I was able to watch as his phone 784 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,002 traveled from being with his coworkers 785 00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:04,700 at the bar in the West Side of Manhattan, 786 00:37:04,743 --> 00:37:07,616 going all the way to Central Brooklyn 787 00:37:07,659 --> 00:37:10,053 close to where Lisa resided. 788 00:37:10,096 --> 00:37:13,665 Roscoe's cell phone pings him at the location 789 00:37:13,709 --> 00:37:17,147 from the same pay phone that Lisa got that last call from. 790 00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:19,541 He's there for a little while, 791 00:37:19,584 --> 00:37:23,414 and it proceeds to follow him back into the city. 792 00:37:23,458 --> 00:37:26,591 To a location that we came to learn 793 00:37:26,635 --> 00:37:29,725 was right next to the sanitation depot 794 00:37:29,768 --> 00:37:32,249 on the waterfront. 795 00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:35,339 With this new information, a few of our guys head over 796 00:37:35,383 --> 00:37:38,777 to Roscoe's job in Manhattan at the Sanitation Department 797 00:37:38,821 --> 00:37:40,344 to see if any of his colleagues 798 00:37:40,388 --> 00:37:41,998 noticed anything strange. 799 00:37:42,041 --> 00:37:43,826 So when talking to Roscoe's coworkers 800 00:37:43,869 --> 00:37:45,175 at the sanitation depot, 801 00:37:45,218 --> 00:37:48,047 we quickly learned that he was the guy 802 00:37:48,091 --> 00:37:50,659 that if something was dropped on the ground, 803 00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:51,964 he would leave it on the ground. 804 00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:54,402 But one of them couldn't help but notice 805 00:37:54,445 --> 00:37:57,622 that he miraculously was cleaning up on a balcony area 806 00:37:57,666 --> 00:37:59,189 where they have a barbecue grill 807 00:37:59,232 --> 00:38:01,365 and was going to great lengths 808 00:38:01,409 --> 00:38:03,454 to make sure that that zone was neat. 809 00:38:03,498 --> 00:38:06,544 He was hosing down the whole area, scrubbing it. 810 00:38:06,588 --> 00:38:10,026 So I told the coworker, "Can you show me the spot?" 811 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:13,682 He walks me to it, and there's a railing, 812 00:38:13,725 --> 00:38:15,814 and overlooking the railing, 813 00:38:15,858 --> 00:38:18,774 right below is the Hudson River. 814 00:38:18,817 --> 00:38:21,298 Immediately, I told the gentleman, 815 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,169 "Step back." 816 00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:23,474 And I designated it a crime scene. 817 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,314 At the New York City sanitation depot 818 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:38,924 where Roscoe Glinton works, 819 00:38:38,968 --> 00:38:41,666 Detective Vega has deemed the patio area as a crime scene. 820 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:45,366 And he immediately called in the CSU 821 00:38:45,409 --> 00:38:48,020 to conduct a massive sweep for any evidence. 822 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:50,414 We notified the scuba team 823 00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:53,809 because it's possible if a gun was used, 824 00:38:53,852 --> 00:38:55,767 he tossed the gun into the Hudson. 825 00:38:55,811 --> 00:39:00,032 So the NYPD scuba team came, they went into the water, 826 00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:04,689 they search, but they came back negative. 827 00:39:04,733 --> 00:39:05,908 ♪ 828 00:39:05,951 --> 00:39:07,562 Despite the lack of a murder weapon, 829 00:39:07,605 --> 00:39:08,954 the crime scene unit 830 00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:11,783 eventually discovers a different smoking gun. 831 00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:14,699 Ultimately, they did find trace evidence of blood 832 00:39:14,743 --> 00:39:17,310 in the concrete on that deck area 833 00:39:17,354 --> 00:39:19,400 outside of the sanitation depot. 834 00:39:19,443 --> 00:39:21,706 The small blood stain is chiseled out 835 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:26,015 and sent off to the crime lab for rush DNA analysis. 836 00:39:26,058 --> 00:39:31,237 It was tested and it was determined a match to Lisa. 837 00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:38,288 ♪ 838 00:39:39,071 --> 00:39:41,900 On April 22, after two weeks of investigating, 839 00:39:41,944 --> 00:39:44,947 the team finally has enough to arrest Roscoe Glinton 840 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:47,253 for Lisa Eatmon's murder. 841 00:39:47,297 --> 00:39:48,429 The homicide unit 842 00:39:48,472 --> 00:39:49,995 apprehended him at his apartment. 843 00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:52,607 At first, he didn't want to come out, but he came out. 844 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:54,522 No fighting or nothing. Came out. 845 00:39:54,565 --> 00:39:57,481 I'm thrilled, thrilled that we had him arrested, 846 00:39:57,525 --> 00:40:00,005 knowing that he killed Lisa. 847 00:40:00,049 --> 00:40:03,922 Put closure for Lisa's family and for Marsielle. 848 00:40:03,966 --> 00:40:06,490 We were so ecstatic. 849 00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:08,753 We were so thankful and grateful 850 00:40:08,797 --> 00:40:13,105 for the detectives of the New York Police Department. 851 00:40:13,149 --> 00:40:15,281 ♪ 852 00:40:15,325 --> 00:40:17,283 But despite their relief, 853 00:40:17,327 --> 00:40:18,546 Lisa's family is left wondering 854 00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:20,939 why Roscoe Glinton did this. 855 00:40:20,983 --> 00:40:23,115 ♪ 856 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:27,946 I don't think he wanted his wife to know about the baby. 857 00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,079 At the trial, the prosecution argues 858 00:40:30,122 --> 00:40:33,778 that Roscoe wasn't keen on providing for another child, 859 00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:37,303 especially one he repeatedly denied was his. 860 00:40:37,347 --> 00:40:38,957 During the trial, 861 00:40:39,001 --> 00:40:41,307 the district attorney submits the DNA 862 00:40:41,351 --> 00:40:43,527 to see if he's a match to the baby, 863 00:40:43,571 --> 00:40:47,052 and it came back to be 99.9 that Roscoe was the father. 864 00:40:47,096 --> 00:40:49,533 Roscoe doesn't cooperate 865 00:40:49,577 --> 00:40:51,753 and never confesses to the killing, 866 00:40:51,796 --> 00:40:54,538 but the police have the following theory. 867 00:40:54,582 --> 00:40:59,543 I believe Roscoe called Lisa to say, "Listen. 868 00:40:59,587 --> 00:41:00,892 "Meet me when I get to your door. 869 00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:02,546 "Come with me to the sanitation garage. 870 00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:05,506 I can give you money for the baby." 871 00:41:05,549 --> 00:41:06,985 She didn't bring her purse with her, 872 00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:10,511 didn't bring her keys, and left her daughter. 873 00:41:10,554 --> 00:41:12,817 She went with a man, someone that she trusted 874 00:41:12,861 --> 00:41:16,125 and that it would be a quick-- a quick, little ride 875 00:41:16,168 --> 00:41:17,822 for whatever it was. 876 00:41:19,563 --> 00:41:21,696 Ultimately, the data that buried him 877 00:41:21,739 --> 00:41:24,046 was really created by all the phone calls 878 00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:27,528 that he was just ignoring from his wife. 879 00:41:27,571 --> 00:41:29,225 When I look at Roscoe Glinton, 880 00:41:29,268 --> 00:41:31,836 I see someone who cares only about himself. 881 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,143 He doesn't care about any other human being. 882 00:41:34,186 --> 00:41:35,666 He thinks he's smart. 883 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:37,494 He thought he could beat this case, 884 00:41:37,538 --> 00:41:38,800 thought he was slick enough 885 00:41:38,843 --> 00:41:40,584 to try and get away with this horrific act, 886 00:41:40,628 --> 00:41:43,326 but he made some marked mistakes along the way. 887 00:41:43,369 --> 00:41:44,370 ♪ 888 00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:45,676 And unfortunately, 889 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:47,156 the only people who will ever really know 890 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:50,333 what happened that night are Roscoe and Lisa. 891 00:41:50,376 --> 00:41:52,161 ♪ 892 00:41:52,204 --> 00:41:54,424 On November 21, 2006, 893 00:41:54,467 --> 00:41:57,688 Roscoe Glinton is found guilty of second degree murder 894 00:41:57,732 --> 00:42:00,604 and sentenced to 25 years to life. 895 00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:04,129 But Lisa's family feels it wasn't enough. 896 00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:08,220 Unfortunately, Roscoe was only charged 897 00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:10,483 with the murder of Lisa. 898 00:42:10,527 --> 00:42:14,618 New York does not allow for charges 899 00:42:14,662 --> 00:42:18,491 to be brought against an unborn baby. 900 00:42:18,535 --> 00:42:21,016 ♪ 901 00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:23,627 I was vengeful for a little while. 902 00:42:23,671 --> 00:42:26,456 I kind of grew out of that. 903 00:42:26,499 --> 00:42:27,979 You know, from there, 904 00:42:28,023 --> 00:42:29,764 it was just more so trying to figure out how to, like, 905 00:42:29,807 --> 00:42:32,027 cope with it and, you know, 906 00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:34,725 just trying to remember good memories of her, 907 00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:37,946 and I kept a lot of the things that were hers. 908 00:42:37,989 --> 00:42:43,038 I kept the very coffee table that we had our last dinner on. 909 00:42:43,081 --> 00:42:44,256 I have it with me now. 910 00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,432 Like, I just... I've carried all of it. 911 00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:51,089 It's gotten easier throughout the years, 912 00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:54,397 but it's definitely been a bumpy, hard ride 913 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,008 throughout the whole thing. 914 00:42:57,052 --> 00:42:58,706 It doesn't heal. 915 00:42:58,749 --> 00:43:01,317 I don't think it will ever heal. 916 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,799 I just wish she was here with us. 917 00:43:04,842 --> 00:43:07,279 All I can do for Lisa to keep her spirit alive 918 00:43:07,323 --> 00:43:11,457 is just think of her every day. 919 00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:12,937 And I still talk to her. 920 00:43:12,981 --> 00:43:16,593 I still talk to her as if she was here. 921 00:43:16,637 --> 00:43:20,292 My mother really shined. 922 00:43:20,336 --> 00:43:24,336 I miss her and I love her so much.