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- A beloved grandmother and
her boyfriend
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Found slain in
her own living room...
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- This was an extremely,
extremely violent event.
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- The mortician had to use wax
to put her face together
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Because the knife wounds were
so horrific.
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- Everybody liked carmen.
She was a lot of fun.
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- We soon find out that
the boyfriend is married.
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So now the light bulbs
go off in the head.
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- Upstairs, lives a hauntingly
familiar face...
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- The ex-husband of carmen
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Lived on the third floor
of this building.
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So that struck us as
a little strange.
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- While a tight east harlem
block is up in arms...
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- The neighborhood called
the block sesame street.
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It was just a shock because
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Nothing ever happens on
sesame street, right?
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- A victim's stolen phone
sparks a wild chase...
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- The phone was moving
so we knew it was in a car.
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- Really quickly stopped that
car as quickly as you could.
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- And a confession gives way
to a stunning revelation.
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- I never would've thought
that they'd be implicated
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In this crime.
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[tense bassy music]
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[suspenseful music]
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- East harlem is
a thriving latin community
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In upper manhattan.
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As the neighborhood developed
in the 1990s,
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Homeowners saw their
properties skyrocket in value.
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One of those residents was
52-year-old carmen quinones,
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A doting grandmother
who moved to new york
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From her native puerto rico.
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Unfortunately, in 2001,
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Tragedy found her
at the end of a tragic year.
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In the shadow of 9/11, it was a
vivid reminder of all the evils
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That hide right in
our own backyards.
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- Amy de jesus, the daughter
of carmen quinones,
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Was the mother of
three-year-old ashley.
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She was up at canisius college
in buffalo,
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And carmen was watching ashley
while she attended college.
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- Amy became pregnant.
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And carmen said, "I will take
care of the child,
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But you need to complete
your college education."
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Three years old,
ashley lived with carmen 24/7.
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- Amy and carmen speak to each
other on the phone frequently.
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However, when amy dials
on December 1st, 2001,
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She finds something amiss.
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- Amy had called
the night before
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To say goodnight
to her daughter,
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But amy was not able
to get through.
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And then she called
numerous times in the morning
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And carmen still wasn't
picking up the phone.
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- Then, in the early evening,
a little after 7:00,
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She called the house again,
and this time,
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Her three-year-old daughter,
ashley,
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Was able to answer the phone.
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And amy said,
"where's grandma?"
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And ashley said,
"she's not moving."
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Amy said, "what do you mean
she's not moving?"
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Ashley just said,
"she's not moving."
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Amy became very concerned.
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- Carmen lived in
the 23rd precinct.
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And at that point, amy called
the precinct directly.
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And she conveyed
what was going on.
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So the precinct actually
dispatched the sector car
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To go check out the address
at east 101st street.
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It was a straight-up
welfare check.
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- Officers pull up to
the three-story brownstone
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Where carmen lives.
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But as they knock on
the building's front door,
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They're greeted by
an unexpected sight.
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- Uniformed members
were actually
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Able to look through the window
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And saw this little girl,
ashley,
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Who had some pieces of
duct tape around her body.
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- So they knew, obviously,
there was a big problem.
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They broke the window
and they got in.
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And then they discovered
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She had duct tape
hanging from her face.
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But as far as physical
condition, she wasn't hurt.
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They secured the baby.
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And then they saw
there was blood spatter
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All over this apartment.
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They saw carmen.
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She was lying on the floor.
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She was obviously dead.
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And to her left was
an adult male
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Who we later determined was
ruben frederick,
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Who was her boyfriend.
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And he was also stabbed
numerous times.
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- Officers whisk young ashley
away from the bloodshed
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And radio for assistance.
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- When you first open up
the front door,
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It opens up right into
the living room.
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It was a chaotic crime scene.
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It looked like the two
individuals that were stabbed
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Had put up
a pretty good fight.
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The furniture looked like that
it had been moved around.
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There was no weapon recovered.
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- We thought that
the crime actually occurred
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The day before because
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There was coagulated blood
on the floor.
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- Police notify amy
of her mother's death
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And she starts racing
back to new york.
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Meanwhile, the commotion from
first responders
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On the east harlem block
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Awakens neighbors to
a nightmare
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Unfolding just
a few doors down.
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- In 2001, I lived
three houses down from carmen.
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The neighborhood called
the block "sesame street"
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Because there was
the racial mixture
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And there was kind of
an innocence.
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But that night,
I was standing on my stoop
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And looked in that direction.
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There were ambulances.
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The whole neighborhood was
in turmoil.
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And immediately,
18 police cars are at my door.
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It was just a shock because
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Nothing ever happens
on sesame street, right?
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- I came home between
10:00 and 11:00 at night.
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Like, maybe 10, 15 minutes
later, the phone rang
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And a mutual friend
and gave me the news.
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I was shocked.
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I met carmen in 1977.
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I was a development person
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In a low-income housing complex
in east harlem.
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Carmen basically became
my secretary.
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She was very intelligent.
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She was very responsible.
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And she would laugh a lot.
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I was aware that
she had not completed
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Her high school education.
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But one day I was sitting
at my desk.
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She says,
"I have something for you."
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And it was her ged certificate.
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I got up, I hugged her,
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And I told her
how proud I was of her.
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And I said, "so now we gotta
talk about college."
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She married justino.
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He had a previous marriage.
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- Justino de jesus worked at
a local elevator manufacturer
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And had long been
a part of east harlem.
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- Justino grew up
in the neighborhood.
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He was a nice guy,
very charming.
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She was a lot of fun
but he was much quieter.
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- Carmen had her daughter, amy,
with justino.
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And she really focused on being
the best mom that she could be.
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- Around 1980,
carmen purchases
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An east harlem brownstone.
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Due to new york's
high crime rate,
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She pays just a few tens of
thousands of dollars.
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- It was affordable
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And those brownstones were
pretty much in mint condition.
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There were three apartments,
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Two that she rented,
and then there was hers.
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- We were friendly.
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They just seemed like normal,
functioning parents.
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- But in 1998,
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Carmen and justino's
relationship runs aground.
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- There was a deterioration
taking place
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And then he lost his job.
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So I think that that was
the straw
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That broke the camel's back.
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Then they divorced.
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But in an amicable way,
they remained friends.
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- I'd known her since
the early '70s.
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But in 2001, she really seemed
to have come into her own.
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After the murders,
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It wasn't anything that
people could understand
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Or make any sense of.
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It was a horrific crime
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With a violence
that seems gratuitous.
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Why? Why?
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- As neighbors grapple with
the loss of their friend,
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Police turned to the only
known witness for help:
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Carmen's three-year-old
granddaughter, ashley.
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- It was thought that
potentially, ashley could
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Let us know
exactly what happened.
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Detectives from
special victims,
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Especially from
the child abuse area,
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Have a special talent with
interviewing young children.
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- We assigned a female
detective to speak to her.
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And she's asking the questions
in a way that
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You would hope that
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A three-year-old
could understand,
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Like how many people did
you see in the apartment?
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Did you hear anything?
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Did you hear
grandma say anything?
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- But she was traumatized.
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She couldn't tell us
what had happened.
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- Hopefully she was able to
put this behind her and
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She doesn't have memories of
what she witnessed that day.
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But we were a little confused
why she was spared.
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- As detectives evaluate
the evidence in front of them,
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They begin to ponder motive.
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- There was no sign
of forced entry.
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And there was
no buzzer system.
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And to get into the building,
you needed two different keys.
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How did they get in?
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What our first thoughts were
that maybe carmen
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Had been walking home
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And was followed into
the building.
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And it could have been
a push-in robbery,
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And it turns into a murder.
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- Because the amount of
violence that went on
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Inside the apartment,
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We thought there was
more than one killer.
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- But as they inventory
the scene,
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Detectives make
one intriguing discovery.
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- In the bedroom, that's,
you know, in total disarray,
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With the drawers pulled out,
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Underneath the mattress,
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There's $16,000.
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It's very uncommon for somebody
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To hold on to
that amount of cash.
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- Where did that money
come from?
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Did someone know that carmen
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Had this amount of money
in her apartment?
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Maybe that's one of
the reasons they targeted her.
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$16,000 is a lot of money.
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People die for less than that.
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- Coming up...
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- We thought maybe this is
some kind of love triangle.
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- So now the light bulbs go off
in the head,
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Say "wait a minute."
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- He was actually covering up
for the affair.
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[tense bassy music]
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♪ ♪
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[tense bassy music]
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♪ ♪
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[sirens blaring]
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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- As the nypd pores over
the crime scene
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At carmen quinones' apartment,
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They're stunned to discover
a hidden stack of cash;
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$16,000 tucked under
her mattress.
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- It didn't make sense
why they would have
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That amount of money
in their apartment.
259
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- So we're just like,
"oh, this gotta be numbers,
260
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It's gotta be drugs."
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262
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We do a check to see if
the location
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Has any history of crime.
264
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But there was no history of
any of that at all.
265
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They were just good people.
266
00:12:54,207 --> 00:12:57,141
What we did find is
we found some rent receipts,
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Which led us to believe
that $16,000
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Was rent that was paid
over the years
269
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From the tenants
on the second floor.
270
00:13:06,753 --> 00:13:10,554
It turned out
that it was legit.
271
00:13:10,624 --> 00:13:13,190
- Later on in investigation,
we talked to amy.
272
00:13:13,259 --> 00:13:15,026
She said that her mom was
old school.
273
00:13:15,094 --> 00:13:18,062
She's one of those people
that didn't trust the banks.
274
00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:22,700
- Perhaps the killer or killers
knew about this money.
275
00:13:24,637 --> 00:13:26,470
- While one team scours
the apartment,
276
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Another canvasses
the building.
277
00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:32,576
- I was checking the backyard
myself, the exterior,
278
00:13:32,646 --> 00:13:34,479
See if there was
any forced entry,
279
00:13:34,547 --> 00:13:36,046
But there was nothing.
280
00:13:36,048 --> 00:13:37,281
Also, there's apartments on
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The second floor
and the third floor.
282
00:13:39,385 --> 00:13:41,785
There was two tenants living
on the second-floor apartment.
283
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They were spoken to at length.
284
00:13:44,023 --> 00:13:44,989
Everything checked out
with them--
285
00:13:45,058 --> 00:13:46,958
Alibis, their backgrounds--
286
00:13:47,026 --> 00:13:50,261
And they were quickly
eliminated as suspects.
287
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,864
- But the second-floor renters
do share with police
288
00:13:52,932 --> 00:13:56,934
That they lived in the middle
of a unique family dynamic.
289
00:13:57,003 --> 00:14:00,438
- The interesting thing
we found out was that
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00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,039
Justino de jesus,
291
00:14:02,108 --> 00:14:06,143
Who was the ex-husband
of carmen,
292
00:14:06,212 --> 00:14:11,182
Lived on the third floor
of this building.
293
00:14:11,251 --> 00:14:14,118
So that struck us as
a little strange.
294
00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,022
It's a significant little thing
that we made note of.
295
00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:21,960
- We learned the ex-husband
was the super of the building.
296
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Carmen wasn't charging him
any rent
297
00:14:24,030 --> 00:14:27,298
As long as he did maintenance
in the building.
298
00:14:27,367 --> 00:14:30,702
- It was all carmen's money
that bought that brownstone.
299
00:14:30,770 --> 00:14:33,471
And it was under her name.
300
00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:38,710
When they divorced,
he did not have the resources
301
00:14:38,778 --> 00:14:41,812
To move out
and get an apartment.
302
00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:45,449
She allowed him to remain
living in that brownstone
303
00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:49,120
With the understanding that
he would be the superintendent,
304
00:14:49,188 --> 00:14:52,724
That if anything broke,
that he would fix it.
305
00:14:54,627 --> 00:14:57,095
- He was living up there with
his third wife.
306
00:14:57,097 --> 00:15:00,464
Her name was maria de jesus.
307
00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:04,402
- People liked her because
she looked out for the block.
308
00:15:04,470 --> 00:15:08,105
I remember somebody had
their trash out illegally
309
00:15:08,174 --> 00:15:09,507
And she went and put it away
310
00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:12,576
So they wouldn't get fined
and things like that.
311
00:15:12,645 --> 00:15:14,612
- And we brought them
over to the 23,
312
00:15:14,681 --> 00:15:17,915
Where they were interviewed
in the interview room
313
00:15:17,983 --> 00:15:19,317
With the detective squad.
314
00:15:19,385 --> 00:15:23,454
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315
00:15:23,523 --> 00:15:26,524
- We had interview rooms.
We called it the box.
316
00:15:26,592 --> 00:15:28,092
You separate people
when you interview them.
317
00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,762
So he was in the box
getting interviewed
318
00:15:30,830 --> 00:15:33,064
And she was outside.
319
00:15:33,132 --> 00:15:36,867
- Justino was grilled
all night.
320
00:15:36,936 --> 00:15:39,470
He was shocked that
carmen was murdered.
321
00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:44,542
Justino's alibi for the time
that this occurred was
322
00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:46,277
That he was home.
323
00:15:46,346 --> 00:15:50,114
But he didn't hear anything.
324
00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:51,282
- Justino was crying.
325
00:15:51,351 --> 00:15:53,684
He was upset about
what happened.
326
00:15:53,753 --> 00:15:56,988
That was his granddaughter
at the crime scene.
327
00:15:57,056 --> 00:15:59,557
Thank god they didn't harm her,
you know?
328
00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:01,626
- When someone's killed with
a knife,
329
00:16:01,694 --> 00:16:05,262
Usually the perpetrator
cuts himself.
330
00:16:05,331 --> 00:16:07,364
Justino allowed
the detectives to see if
331
00:16:07,366 --> 00:16:10,134
He had any wounds on his body.
332
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:14,038
But he had no cuts.
333
00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:19,911
- And then we spoke to
maria de jesus.
334
00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,312
- She was around 60 years old.
335
00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:22,914
She was a little frail woman,
336
00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,817
Like grandma-feel, you know?
337
00:16:25,885 --> 00:16:28,386
- She did say that
she was home with justino
338
00:16:28,454 --> 00:16:32,623
And they didn't hear
or see anything.
339
00:16:32,625 --> 00:16:35,092
- She was in shock that
something like that happened
340
00:16:35,094 --> 00:16:36,828
In her building.
341
00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:40,198
We conducted a criminal
background check
342
00:16:40,266 --> 00:16:41,933
And it was squeaky clean.
343
00:16:42,001 --> 00:16:46,003
We didn't have anything on them
and they were released.
344
00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:52,210
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345
00:16:52,278 --> 00:16:54,212
- Then investigators received
the results of
346
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,246
The victims' autopsies.
347
00:16:56,248 --> 00:16:58,449
- Both of them had multiple,
multiple stab wounds--
348
00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:02,186
Upper body, abdomen,
shoulders--
349
00:17:02,255 --> 00:17:04,555
Around 20 stabs each.
350
00:17:04,624 --> 00:17:07,491
Definitely overkill.
351
00:17:07,493 --> 00:17:09,260
That kind of threw us off
a little bit
352
00:17:09,328 --> 00:17:12,130
With the push-in robbery
theory.
353
00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:15,366
- It's not common
in a robbery that
354
00:17:15,435 --> 00:17:18,336
Someone is stabbed
that many times.
355
00:17:18,404 --> 00:17:23,340
That usually indicates
some type of rage.
356
00:17:23,409 --> 00:17:25,843
- At that point, we said,
this person went in there
357
00:17:25,911 --> 00:17:28,245
With a premeditated motive,
358
00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:30,748
Like, "I'm gonna kill
these two people."
359
00:17:30,816 --> 00:17:32,650
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360
00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:34,284
- With the notion that
the victims were
361
00:17:34,286 --> 00:17:36,520
Personally targeted,
detectives begin to
362
00:17:36,589 --> 00:17:39,190
Dig deeper into
their backgrounds.
363
00:17:39,258 --> 00:17:41,425
- We started developing carmen
364
00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:44,562
And her boyfriend,
ruben frederick.
365
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:46,997
We didn't know much about him
at that point.
366
00:17:47,066 --> 00:17:50,534
We soon find out that
ruben is married.
367
00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:52,670
So now the light bulbs go off
in the head.
368
00:17:52,738 --> 00:17:54,371
♪ ♪
369
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,540
- When we found out
ruben was married,
370
00:17:56,609 --> 00:17:59,076
Living in brooklyn
with his wife,
371
00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:02,546
We thought maybe this is
some kind of love triangle.
372
00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:05,683
- Could his wife know that
he was cheating?
373
00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:09,153
We're like, could this be
a revenge killing?
374
00:18:09,221 --> 00:18:13,791
♪ ♪
375
00:18:13,859 --> 00:18:16,760
[tense bassy music]
376
00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:18,262
♪ ♪
377
00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,101
[tense bassy music]
378
00:18:24,170 --> 00:18:28,339
♪ ♪
379
00:18:28,407 --> 00:18:30,041
- In the double murder
of carmen quinones
380
00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:31,642
And her boyfriend,
ruben frederick,
381
00:18:31,711 --> 00:18:34,111
East harlem detectives
have just discovered
382
00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:36,947
Ruben was married.
383
00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:38,849
They head to
his brooklyn apartment
384
00:18:38,851 --> 00:18:40,051
To interview his wife.
385
00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,321
♪ ♪
386
00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:47,925
- Ruben's wife was talked to
at length.
387
00:18:47,993 --> 00:18:51,929
She was very upset that
her husband was dead.
388
00:18:51,997 --> 00:18:54,965
- One of the reasons detectives
go to interview them personally
389
00:18:54,967 --> 00:18:56,734
Is to get that feel.
390
00:18:56,802 --> 00:18:58,636
Is there any possibility
391
00:18:58,704 --> 00:19:01,205
That they could be
involved in this?
392
00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:05,142
She kept her nerves about her.
393
00:19:05,211 --> 00:19:06,944
Ruben actually had told
his wife
394
00:19:07,012 --> 00:19:09,146
He was gonna work
a triple shift.
395
00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:12,350
But he was with carmen.
396
00:19:12,418 --> 00:19:15,719
He was actually covering up
for the affair.
397
00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:17,488
- But, to our surprise,
398
00:19:17,557 --> 00:19:19,356
She was very aware that
her husband
399
00:19:19,425 --> 00:19:21,725
Liked to play the field
a little bit, as we say.
400
00:19:21,727 --> 00:19:23,126
So she knew that there was
other women
401
00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:25,496
In her husband's life.
402
00:19:25,564 --> 00:19:30,500
- His wife knew it and
accepted it in some way.
403
00:19:30,502 --> 00:19:32,870
- She had an alibi
and we did corroborate it
404
00:19:32,938 --> 00:19:35,206
And she was eliminated.
405
00:19:36,642 --> 00:19:40,143
- Ruben frederick's family was
not involved.
406
00:19:40,213 --> 00:19:42,847
We were pretty confident
in that.
407
00:19:42,915 --> 00:19:46,417
But now we didn't have any
really solid leads.
408
00:19:46,485 --> 00:19:49,853
We felt helpless and hopeless.
409
00:19:49,922 --> 00:19:53,523
- But ruben's wife gave us
something that could help us.
410
00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:56,260
She said that
he was a bus driver
411
00:19:56,328 --> 00:19:59,229
And she gave us the location
where he worked.
412
00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:00,530
That was important to us.
413
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,066
We needed more information
on ruben.
414
00:20:03,136 --> 00:20:06,503
♪ ♪
415
00:20:06,572 --> 00:20:10,941
- Detectives went to his job
and interviewed his employer.
416
00:20:11,010 --> 00:20:14,678
And one of the things they
said, almost offhandedly, was,
417
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,347
"could you give us
the phone back?"
418
00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:21,885
And the detectives were like,
"what phone?"
419
00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:24,021
- Ruben actually had
a company cell phone.
420
00:20:24,089 --> 00:20:27,491
We did not recover any phone
from the crime scene.
421
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,928
So his job, they provide us
with the cell phone number.
422
00:20:30,996 --> 00:20:33,196
- Ruben's employers also
furnished police
423
00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:36,934
With the make, model,
and color of his mobile phone.
424
00:20:37,002 --> 00:20:39,770
♪ ♪
425
00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,039
- We started doing the work
on the cell phone.
426
00:20:42,107 --> 00:20:44,375
And we subpoena the carrier.
427
00:20:44,443 --> 00:20:47,311
They give us
the subscriber information.
428
00:20:47,379 --> 00:20:49,813
There's so much,
it might lead to anywhere.
429
00:20:49,882 --> 00:20:52,816
We find out that
four calls were made
430
00:20:52,818 --> 00:20:55,052
After the homicide
had occurred.
431
00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,055
So right then and there,
we felt that this cell phone
432
00:20:58,123 --> 00:21:00,090
Was taken from the crime scene
433
00:21:00,092 --> 00:21:02,793
And that whoever has that phone
is the killer.
434
00:21:02,795 --> 00:21:04,528
♪ ♪
435
00:21:04,530 --> 00:21:06,063
- To figure out who has
ruben's phone,
436
00:21:06,131 --> 00:21:10,100
Detectives drop in on
the caller's contacts.
437
00:21:10,102 --> 00:21:11,935
- We know the phone numbers
that were called.
438
00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:15,305
And we had the addresses for
these four phone numbers.
439
00:21:15,307 --> 00:21:16,907
Three of the locations were
in new york city.
440
00:21:16,976 --> 00:21:18,209
One was in new jersey.
441
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:21,078
We needed to speak to them.
442
00:21:21,147 --> 00:21:24,115
We wanted to hit all four
locations at the same time
443
00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:25,583
'cause we didn't want
one person
444
00:21:25,651 --> 00:21:26,850
Calling the other person,
saying,
445
00:21:26,852 --> 00:21:28,485
"oh, the police were
just here."
446
00:21:28,554 --> 00:21:31,889
So then we tacked up
and hit each location.
447
00:21:31,957 --> 00:21:34,491
Asked them, "all right,
this number called you.
448
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,727
Who'd you speak to?"
449
00:21:36,795 --> 00:21:37,928
And at that point,
450
00:21:37,997 --> 00:21:41,899
Everybody told us the same
person had called them,
451
00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:43,534
Angel rodriguez.
452
00:21:43,602 --> 00:21:44,869
They gave us some more
information on him,
453
00:21:44,871 --> 00:21:48,071
Like where he lived,
possibly in the bronx.
454
00:21:48,073 --> 00:21:51,141
We quickly got up on angel
as quick as possible.
455
00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:54,177
Angel was in the system.
He had a criminal background.
456
00:21:54,247 --> 00:21:56,513
He had some, you know,
petty crimes in there,
457
00:21:56,582 --> 00:21:59,850
But nothing with violence.
458
00:21:59,852 --> 00:22:01,919
- In hopes of tracking down
rodriguez immediately,
459
00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:06,123
Detectives turned to their
tech for the phone's location.
460
00:22:06,191 --> 00:22:08,658
- We were, like,
extremely excited
461
00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:11,662
'cause we knew that
this would be
462
00:22:11,730 --> 00:22:15,466
A tremendous lead for us.
463
00:22:15,534 --> 00:22:18,568
What we want is cell site
information.
464
00:22:18,638 --> 00:22:21,004
Where is that cell phone?
465
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:23,407
We get a search warrant
to track the phone.
466
00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:25,809
The phone was moving,
467
00:22:25,811 --> 00:22:27,611
So we knew it was in a car.
468
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,182
And it led us to a vehicle
in the bronx.
469
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:33,550
♪ ♪
470
00:22:33,619 --> 00:22:35,886
- Sergeant cannon and
lieutenant churns race to
471
00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:38,922
The bronx to intercept
the car.
472
00:22:38,991 --> 00:22:41,925
- We pull out all the stops
and track this guy down.
473
00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:45,429
And billy quickly stopped that
car as quickly as you could.
474
00:22:45,497 --> 00:22:48,366
It was angel rodriguez.
475
00:22:48,434 --> 00:22:50,734
- We pulled the car over,
guns drawn.
476
00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:53,871
And right there, we're like,
"wow."
477
00:22:53,939 --> 00:22:55,206
He has the phone.
478
00:22:55,274 --> 00:22:57,107
That's not the smoking gun.
479
00:22:57,176 --> 00:22:59,443
That's the smoking phone.
480
00:22:59,511 --> 00:23:01,278
♪ ♪
481
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,014
We pull him out of the car and
we cuff him up immediately.
482
00:23:04,083 --> 00:23:06,850
Then we bring them back into
the 23 precinct
483
00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:09,253
From the bronx.
484
00:23:10,790 --> 00:23:13,223
- We put him in
our interview room.
485
00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:15,325
We start talking about
the double homicide.
486
00:23:15,327 --> 00:23:17,060
♪ ♪
487
00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:19,296
He said, "double homicide?"
488
00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:20,764
He goes, "I don't know
what you're talking about.
489
00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:23,133
"I'm not involved in
a double homicide.
490
00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:24,768
I'm just a phone cloner."
491
00:23:24,837 --> 00:23:26,670
♪ ♪
492
00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:28,439
- We were surprised.
493
00:23:28,507 --> 00:23:30,807
It was ruben frederick's
phone, absolutely.
494
00:23:30,876 --> 00:23:35,813
But in 2001, that was the day
and age of cell phone cloning.
495
00:23:35,881 --> 00:23:38,081
These guys were getting
stolen phones
496
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:42,086
And they were able to transfer
the sim information
497
00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:43,921
To another phone
and they bang it out
498
00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:46,490
For thousands of dollars
of free calls
499
00:23:46,558 --> 00:23:48,692
And then just throw
the phone out.
500
00:23:48,761 --> 00:23:54,465
So that's why this guy
had the phone.
501
00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:56,367
- Then we ask
who gave him the phone,
502
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:59,336
And he tells us that he got
the phone from raymond mundo.
503
00:23:59,405 --> 00:24:01,972
- Mundo wanted the phone
cloned.
504
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:03,173
That's the first time
we ever heard
505
00:24:03,242 --> 00:24:04,942
The name of raymond mundo.
506
00:24:05,010 --> 00:24:07,344
♪ ♪
507
00:24:07,412 --> 00:24:09,513
- Rodriguez was telling us
that
508
00:24:09,582 --> 00:24:12,115
He was so afraid of
raymond mundo
509
00:24:12,117 --> 00:24:15,986
That he wasn't even gonna
charge him to clone the phone.
510
00:24:16,055 --> 00:24:20,991
- Our guys release rodriguez
and dig in on this new lead.
511
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:23,293
- So we ran
raymond mundo's name
512
00:24:23,362 --> 00:24:25,095
And, lo and behold,
513
00:24:25,164 --> 00:24:28,699
He's got a home invasion
in his criminal history
514
00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:30,834
With a stabbing.
515
00:24:30,902 --> 00:24:33,103
And he did six years for it.
516
00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:34,671
So we're like, "oh."
517
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:37,607
So we start doing more
computer checks
518
00:24:37,609 --> 00:24:41,678
And we run associates
arrested with mundo.
519
00:24:41,747 --> 00:24:44,414
And in one of his arrests,
520
00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:48,285
He was arrested with
rafael rios, a.K.A. Dog.
521
00:24:48,353 --> 00:24:50,320
♪ ♪
522
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:55,225
And they lived in the same
building in the bronx.
523
00:24:55,294 --> 00:24:59,830
We just figured they liked
to do crimes together.
524
00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:02,165
- But as detectives connect
the dots,
525
00:25:02,234 --> 00:25:06,570
One aspect of mundo and rios'
lives leaves them puzzled.
526
00:25:06,639 --> 00:25:07,905
- From what I could gather,
527
00:25:07,973 --> 00:25:10,173
They had no connection
to the victims.
528
00:25:10,242 --> 00:25:12,710
So that put a question mark
on our end.
529
00:25:12,778 --> 00:25:15,613
We need to find out
what's going on.
530
00:25:15,615 --> 00:25:17,314
♪ ♪
531
00:25:17,382 --> 00:25:21,051
- We tacked up at about 4:00 in
the morning at the 23.
532
00:25:21,053 --> 00:25:23,086
♪ ♪
533
00:25:23,155 --> 00:25:26,723
We're gonna head up there
and grab these two characters.
534
00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:28,058
When we got to the location,
535
00:25:28,127 --> 00:25:30,660
We split up into
two different teams.
536
00:25:30,662 --> 00:25:33,096
Everybody's got a game plan.
537
00:25:33,165 --> 00:25:37,701
And we hit the apartments
at the same time.
538
00:25:37,769 --> 00:25:40,804
[tense bassy music]
539
00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:42,172
♪ ♪
540
00:25:45,810 --> 00:25:48,411
[tense bassy music]
541
00:25:48,481 --> 00:25:50,914
♪ ♪
542
00:25:50,982 --> 00:25:53,116
- East harlem detectives
set their sights on
543
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:55,686
The bronx apartment building
of their top suspects,
544
00:25:55,754 --> 00:25:57,220
Raymond mundo
545
00:25:57,289 --> 00:26:01,492
And his associate,
rafael rios.
546
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,593
- We went up the stairs.
547
00:26:03,595 --> 00:26:06,163
[knocking]
548
00:26:06,231 --> 00:26:09,300
Raymond mundo,
we knock on his door.
549
00:26:09,368 --> 00:26:12,202
His father answered the door.
550
00:26:12,271 --> 00:26:16,373
And his father was quite
a dirtbag himself.
551
00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:20,243
We knew he had done time
for murder.
552
00:26:20,312 --> 00:26:26,383
And I could feel the hatred
seething from his skin at us.
553
00:26:26,451 --> 00:26:27,718
And I looked to my left,
554
00:26:27,786 --> 00:26:31,288
And he had a huge butcher knife
555
00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:33,657
Stuck in the wall.
556
00:26:33,725 --> 00:26:35,592
Yeah, like that's
a common thing
557
00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:37,561
For most good families to have,
558
00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:39,096
To have a knife right near
the door
559
00:26:39,164 --> 00:26:40,731
In case you gotta stab someone
560
00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:42,833
That comes to your door,
you know?
561
00:26:44,203 --> 00:26:47,304
We asked,
"have you seen raymond?"
562
00:26:47,372 --> 00:26:49,306
"no."
563
00:26:49,374 --> 00:26:53,243
We asked more uncomfortable
questions.
564
00:26:53,312 --> 00:26:55,979
"what was your relationship
like with mundo?"
565
00:26:56,048 --> 00:27:00,217
But he gave no information
that was of any value.
566
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,952
- Mundo was in the wind.
567
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,623
But rafael rios, a.K.A. Doggy,
he was home.
568
00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:09,292
We told him that
we had to talk to him
569
00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:13,396
About something that happened
over in the 23.
570
00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:14,898
And he was saying,
"what do you want me for?
571
00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:16,900
I didn't do nothing."
572
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:20,938
Then we found he had
a crossbow, which is illegal,
573
00:27:21,006 --> 00:27:24,040
So we grabbed that
as leverage.
574
00:27:24,109 --> 00:27:26,777
He knew he could have been
arrested for that
575
00:27:26,845 --> 00:27:29,079
So then he agreed to come.
576
00:27:29,148 --> 00:27:31,749
♪ ♪
577
00:27:31,751 --> 00:27:34,151
- Rios came back to
the 23 squad.
578
00:27:34,219 --> 00:27:37,687
He was in the box getting
interviewed for many hours.
579
00:27:37,757 --> 00:27:40,857
And he was not giving up
the crime at all.
580
00:27:40,859 --> 00:27:44,094
But I think rios wasn't being
straightforward with us.
581
00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:46,063
- As rios puts up
a brick wall,
582
00:27:46,131 --> 00:27:48,198
The team pulls in
a spanish-speaking detective
583
00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:49,199
To work on him,
584
00:27:49,268 --> 00:27:51,668
While detectives cannon
and porteus
585
00:27:51,736 --> 00:27:56,907
Turn their focus to mundo,
whose location is a mystery.
586
00:27:56,975 --> 00:28:00,443
- When we read raymond mundo's
criminal history,
587
00:28:00,445 --> 00:28:03,346
We were able to get
his cell phone number.
588
00:28:03,348 --> 00:28:06,049
And so, again,
we got a search warrant
589
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,351
And we get up on his phone.
590
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:12,455
Now, it turned out
that his phone was pinging
591
00:28:12,457 --> 00:28:15,693
In a town called
willimantic, connecticut,
592
00:28:15,761 --> 00:28:18,962
Which is three hours away.
593
00:28:19,030 --> 00:28:21,064
Further investigation,
we find out that
594
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:24,301
Mundo's sister lives in
willimantic
595
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:26,103
And we knew he had been
calling her
596
00:28:26,171 --> 00:28:28,305
'cause we had
the cell phone records.
597
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:31,708
So we got the location of
mundo's sister's house.
598
00:28:31,777 --> 00:28:36,780
♪ ♪
599
00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:39,683
We knocked on her door.
600
00:28:39,751 --> 00:28:42,653
And she says, "oh,
I haven't seen him in ages."
601
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:45,388
She has no relationship
with him.
602
00:28:45,457 --> 00:28:47,190
We know all of that was bull.
603
00:28:47,192 --> 00:28:50,126
We knew his phone was
calling her.
604
00:28:50,195 --> 00:28:52,362
- There was a detective
with us
605
00:28:52,364 --> 00:28:54,431
And he was standing outside
on the sidewalk
606
00:28:54,499 --> 00:28:56,133
And he looked over.
607
00:28:56,201 --> 00:28:59,369
And he saw mundo
walking down the sidewalk.
608
00:28:59,438 --> 00:29:03,640
And he goes, "yo, mundo."
609
00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:04,807
And mundo turned around.
610
00:29:04,809 --> 00:29:07,810
He jetted down the sidewalk.
611
00:29:07,812 --> 00:29:09,880
[suspenseful music]
612
00:29:09,948 --> 00:29:13,950
- We start running.
We put it over the air.
613
00:29:14,019 --> 00:29:17,888
And mundo tries to
carjack a car.
614
00:29:17,956 --> 00:29:20,990
But there's a pregnant woman
driving the car.
615
00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:22,893
And he tries to
pull her out of the car,
616
00:29:22,961 --> 00:29:26,096
But he couldn't budge her
out of the car.
617
00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:29,132
- But billy was hitting
the steering wheel.
618
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,168
- And by that point,
we were all on top of him.
619
00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:35,038
He was placed under arrest
and took him into
620
00:29:35,107 --> 00:29:37,974
The willimantic police
station house.
621
00:29:38,043 --> 00:29:40,744
♪ ♪
622
00:29:40,812 --> 00:29:42,545
- We put him in
an interview room.
623
00:29:42,547 --> 00:29:45,181
Myself and another detective
interviewed him
624
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:46,783
For five or six hours.
625
00:29:46,852 --> 00:29:50,186
He was denying the whole thing.
626
00:29:50,255 --> 00:29:54,858
Also he was, like,
getting sick,
627
00:29:54,927 --> 00:29:58,395
Throwing up in the bucket
on the floor.
628
00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:00,430
I asked him about it
and he said that he was--
629
00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:04,567
He was dopesick.
He was a heroin user.
630
00:30:04,569 --> 00:30:08,772
So we were like, "you hungry?
You want something to eat?"
631
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,875
So we gave him some soda,
a pizza,
632
00:30:11,943 --> 00:30:14,210
A couple of packs of newports,
633
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,414
Just trying to warm him up and
develop a rapport with the guy.
634
00:30:17,482 --> 00:30:20,483
- And mundo is, like,
a chain smoker.
635
00:30:20,552 --> 00:30:25,055
The room is like--like a cloud.
636
00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:27,891
- But he kept denying
everything.
637
00:30:27,959 --> 00:30:30,427
- But detectives have received
word from colleagues in harlem
638
00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:33,063
That they've broken doggy
with good old-fashioned
639
00:30:33,131 --> 00:30:35,031
Interrogation skills.
640
00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:37,033
- He starts singing
like a parakeet.
641
00:30:37,102 --> 00:30:40,303
And he gave a ten page
written confession.
642
00:30:40,305 --> 00:30:42,939
- Rios confesses
the whole crime
643
00:30:43,008 --> 00:30:45,508
And gave us
a lengthy confession.
644
00:30:45,577 --> 00:30:49,979
- We told mundo that we have
doggy back at the 23.
645
00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:52,515
"doggy's flipping on you."
646
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:56,053
Mundo thought we were
(bleep) about rios.
647
00:30:56,055 --> 00:30:57,487
So we called the 23,
648
00:30:57,555 --> 00:31:01,491
And we had rios's statement
faxed up.
649
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,660
And we went in and we threw
the statement in front of him.
650
00:31:03,728 --> 00:31:07,898
I go, "here, read this."
651
00:31:07,966 --> 00:31:10,801
He started to read it
a little bit
652
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:14,004
And he was like, "(bleep) that.
653
00:31:14,072 --> 00:31:15,906
I'll tell you right now
what happened."
654
00:31:15,974 --> 00:31:17,774
And he started giving it up.
655
00:31:17,843 --> 00:31:20,877
♪ ♪
656
00:31:20,945 --> 00:31:23,780
[tense bassy music]
657
00:31:23,849 --> 00:31:25,315
♪ ♪
658
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:31,221
[tense bassy music]
659
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:33,590
♪ ♪
660
00:31:33,658 --> 00:31:38,595
[sirens blaring]
661
00:31:38,663 --> 00:31:40,830
- After a week of searching
for the killers of
662
00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,500
Carmen quinones
and ruben frederick,
663
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:49,372
The nypd has suspect
raymond mundo in custody.
664
00:31:49,374 --> 00:31:53,109
- So we show him the confession
of rafael rios
665
00:31:53,178 --> 00:31:56,246
And that loosened him up
a little bit.
666
00:31:56,314 --> 00:31:58,381
He says, "I'm ready to tell
the whole story."
667
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:00,383
♪ ♪
668
00:32:00,385 --> 00:32:04,020
- He gave basically the same
story that rios told us.
669
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:07,657
- He says they were paid to
kill carmen quinones,
670
00:32:07,726 --> 00:32:10,159
That this was a murder
for hire.
671
00:32:10,229 --> 00:32:12,429
They were given two keys
to the building.
672
00:32:12,497 --> 00:32:15,332
That explains
the non-forced entry.
673
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,901
♪ ♪
674
00:32:17,969 --> 00:32:22,405
They also dressed like
detectives. They wore suits.
675
00:32:22,407 --> 00:32:25,208
Raymond mundo and rafael rios
got into the building,
676
00:32:25,276 --> 00:32:28,511
And they knocked on
carmen's door.
677
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,448
♪ ♪
678
00:32:31,516 --> 00:32:33,450
Carmen opens the door...
679
00:32:33,518 --> 00:32:35,585
♪ ♪
680
00:32:35,587 --> 00:32:40,523
And mundo immediately
stabs her in the chest
681
00:32:40,592 --> 00:32:45,395
And enters the apartment
and just keeps stabbing her.
682
00:32:45,464 --> 00:32:49,566
As he does that,
the door slams shut.
683
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:51,634
♪ ♪
684
00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:55,038
And rafael rios is left
in the vestibule,
685
00:32:55,107 --> 00:32:57,240
Locked out.
686
00:32:57,308 --> 00:33:00,810
So now mundo is
in there now with
687
00:33:00,879 --> 00:33:05,214
Carmen and ruben frederick.
688
00:33:05,284 --> 00:33:08,485
Mundo was told he was only
there to kill carmen.
689
00:33:08,553 --> 00:33:10,920
He didn't know
ruben would be there.
690
00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:13,222
♪ ♪
691
00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:17,360
So ruben comes to
carmen's assistance
692
00:33:17,428 --> 00:33:20,130
And almost gets the better
of mundo.
693
00:33:20,198 --> 00:33:22,365
He was surprised.
694
00:33:22,434 --> 00:33:26,068
But raymond mundo reaches back
and opens the door,
695
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:28,071
Lets rafael rios into
the apartment,
696
00:33:28,139 --> 00:33:30,907
And he starts stabbing
ruben frederick.
697
00:33:30,975 --> 00:33:34,811
♪ ♪
698
00:33:34,879 --> 00:33:36,579
These guys were savages,
699
00:33:36,648 --> 00:33:38,748
What they did in there,
you know?
700
00:33:38,817 --> 00:33:42,151
It's really sickening.
701
00:33:42,153 --> 00:33:44,121
- Then they saw
the little girl.
702
00:33:44,123 --> 00:33:46,957
And then, he told us
they had to decide
703
00:33:47,025 --> 00:33:49,258
What they're gonna do
with ashley.
704
00:33:49,328 --> 00:33:52,228
They discussed killing her,
705
00:33:52,297 --> 00:33:54,497
Maybe slash her throat.
706
00:33:54,566 --> 00:33:56,165
But rios kind of talked him
out of it,
707
00:33:56,235 --> 00:33:58,067
And that's when they decide
to tape her up.
708
00:33:58,137 --> 00:34:00,770
♪ ♪
709
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:04,307
- They put her in the bed
and gave her the tv remote
710
00:34:04,309 --> 00:34:05,575
And said, "watch tv."
711
00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:09,579
♪ ♪
712
00:34:09,648 --> 00:34:11,548
And they left.
713
00:34:11,616 --> 00:34:13,383
♪ ♪
714
00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:15,118
Sometimes hardened criminals
have, like,
715
00:34:15,186 --> 00:34:19,089
A soft spot for children.
716
00:34:19,157 --> 00:34:21,324
However, in both interviews
717
00:34:21,326 --> 00:34:25,095
With rafael rios
and raymond mundo,
718
00:34:25,163 --> 00:34:27,264
Neither one offered up
719
00:34:27,332 --> 00:34:30,033
What they did with
the murder weapon.
720
00:34:30,101 --> 00:34:32,402
They wouldn't give that up.
721
00:34:32,471 --> 00:34:35,205
We never were able to
recover it.
722
00:34:35,273 --> 00:34:38,575
♪ ♪
723
00:34:38,643 --> 00:34:40,276
- Police now have
two confessions
724
00:34:40,345 --> 00:34:41,511
To the double murder,
725
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:43,580
But one large question
remains:
726
00:34:43,648 --> 00:34:46,216
Who hired them to kill?
727
00:34:46,284 --> 00:34:49,686
- Mundo told us that,
in the past,
728
00:34:49,754 --> 00:34:54,157
Him and rafael lived in
the same building in the bronx
729
00:34:54,225 --> 00:34:58,895
As maria de jesus,
the new wife of justino,
730
00:34:58,964 --> 00:35:01,664
Who was carmen's
former husband.
731
00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,834
♪ ♪
732
00:35:03,902 --> 00:35:06,269
And she had approached them
733
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:09,406
And asked them if they would
kill somebody for her.
734
00:35:09,474 --> 00:35:10,807
♪ ♪
735
00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:13,309
He said
maria chose them because
736
00:35:13,378 --> 00:35:17,280
She knew them to be bad guys.
737
00:35:17,348 --> 00:35:20,617
And they said she had given
them $15,000.
738
00:35:20,685 --> 00:35:23,286
She said, "look, this is
how you do it.
739
00:35:23,354 --> 00:35:26,123
I'm gonna give you keys
to the door."
740
00:35:26,191 --> 00:35:29,425
- We're like,
"oh, man, this is huge."
741
00:35:29,494 --> 00:35:32,162
We were all shocked because
she seemed like
742
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:36,199
A nice little old lady
when we interviewed her.
743
00:35:36,267 --> 00:35:38,200
- Maria was in our squad for
744
00:35:38,202 --> 00:35:40,237
The better part of
a day and a half
745
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,006
And gave off the impression
that she wouldn't hurt a fly.
746
00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:45,808
And I never would have thought
that
747
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,444
She would be implicated
in this crime.
748
00:35:48,446 --> 00:35:51,915
But we did not know why
she wanted to kill carmen.
749
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:54,484
We tried to learn as much
as we can about that.
750
00:35:54,553 --> 00:35:56,719
♪ ♪
751
00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:59,355
- Police announce the arrest
of mundo and rios,
752
00:35:59,424 --> 00:36:01,457
But they don't pick up maria
753
00:36:01,526 --> 00:36:04,927
And keep their intel on her
a secret.
754
00:36:04,929 --> 00:36:09,065
♪ ♪
755
00:36:09,134 --> 00:36:12,068
- I heard that two men
had been arrested.
756
00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:13,803
It was a relief,
757
00:36:13,805 --> 00:36:15,838
But we expected to feel, like,
a sense of closure,
758
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,775
And it wasn't like that.
759
00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:20,309
The names were totally
unfamiliar to
760
00:36:20,311 --> 00:36:22,912
Anybody on the block.
761
00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:25,448
- The nypd's only evidence
against maria
762
00:36:25,516 --> 00:36:28,184
Is the word of
two confessed killers.
763
00:36:28,253 --> 00:36:30,086
When they present the case
to the da,
764
00:36:30,155 --> 00:36:32,389
He's underwhelmed by it.
765
00:36:32,391 --> 00:36:33,990
- The district attorney,
766
00:36:34,058 --> 00:36:36,993
He goes, "we have probable
cause to arrest her,
767
00:36:37,061 --> 00:36:38,995
"but she'll beat the case.
768
00:36:39,064 --> 00:36:42,498
I need more time to
put this case together."
769
00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:44,334
- Before he moves forward
on maria,
770
00:36:44,402 --> 00:36:46,703
The da faces
an unpleasant prospect,
771
00:36:46,771 --> 00:36:49,506
The possibility of offering
leniency to both hitmen
772
00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:52,341
In return for their testimony
against her.
773
00:36:52,343 --> 00:36:54,144
But as he examines
the situation,
774
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:56,279
He decides they only need one.
775
00:36:56,348 --> 00:36:59,281
♪ ♪
776
00:36:59,283 --> 00:37:01,217
- It was determined by
the da's office
777
00:37:01,286 --> 00:37:06,489
That the lesser of two evils
was rafael rios.
778
00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:08,424
- The da offers rafael rios
779
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:11,494
A slightly reduced sentence
of 23 years to life
780
00:37:11,496 --> 00:37:13,629
If he pleads guilty to
first-degree murder
781
00:37:13,698 --> 00:37:15,732
And testifies against maria.
782
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,568
Rios agrees and must also
testify against
783
00:37:18,636 --> 00:37:20,737
His alleged co-conspirator
as well.
784
00:37:20,805 --> 00:37:26,609
♪ ♪
785
00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:29,912
- Raymond mundo was convicted
of murder in the first degree
786
00:37:29,981 --> 00:37:33,115
And he received a life
sentence without parole.
787
00:37:33,185 --> 00:37:36,118
[cell door clinking]
788
00:37:36,188 --> 00:37:38,821
- This was a horrific crime.
789
00:37:38,823 --> 00:37:40,656
♪ ♪
790
00:37:40,725 --> 00:37:43,126
They deserved to get
what they got.
791
00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:46,595
♪ ♪
792
00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:48,197
- But the already confessed
mundo
793
00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:51,367
Was an easier target
than maria
794
00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:55,271
And getting rios to testify
against her is challenging.
795
00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:59,476
- Rafael rios was
a difficult witness.
796
00:37:59,544 --> 00:38:04,080
Rios did some horrendous amount
of drugs every day,
797
00:38:04,149 --> 00:38:06,416
Like, you know,
snorted heroin,
798
00:38:06,484 --> 00:38:09,819
Smoked about 10 joints a day,
half a bottle of vodka.
799
00:38:09,888 --> 00:38:11,387
I was like,
how does this guy have
800
00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:13,756
A clear moment in his life?
801
00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:16,092
♪ ♪
802
00:38:16,161 --> 00:38:18,395
It took years for
the district attorney
803
00:38:18,397 --> 00:38:21,798
To try to prep rafael rios
as a witness
804
00:38:21,866 --> 00:38:26,803
In order to get a clear vision
as to what actually occurred.
805
00:38:26,871 --> 00:38:31,541
♪ ♪
806
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:33,476
- However, in 2004,
807
00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:35,745
Nearly three years after
the murders,
808
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,381
Nypd detectives
finally receive
809
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:40,683
What they've desperately
sought.
810
00:38:40,685 --> 00:38:42,985
- I got a call from
the district attorney.
811
00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:44,421
And he said,
812
00:38:44,423 --> 00:38:48,425
"we're ready to arrest maria
today."
813
00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:53,329
Rafael rios was ready to be
a witness.
814
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:57,300
So we went to the brownstone
815
00:38:57,368 --> 00:39:00,069
That was owned by carmen.
816
00:39:00,138 --> 00:39:01,437
We went up to the apartment.
817
00:39:01,506 --> 00:39:02,605
We knocked.
818
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:05,408
And we saw
a shadow at the door.
819
00:39:05,476 --> 00:39:08,544
♪ ♪
820
00:39:08,613 --> 00:39:11,814
[tense bassy music]
821
00:39:11,883 --> 00:39:13,283
♪ ♪
822
00:39:16,653 --> 00:39:19,221
[tense bassy music]
823
00:39:19,291 --> 00:39:23,893
♪ ♪
824
00:39:23,962 --> 00:39:27,530
- In 2004, after nearly
a three-year investigation,
825
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,465
Police finally
make their move on
826
00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:33,068
Suspected double-murder
mastermind maria de jesus.
827
00:39:33,138 --> 00:39:37,473
♪ ♪
828
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:39,175
- So we knocked on the door.
829
00:39:39,243 --> 00:39:42,512
And who comes to the door?
Maria.
830
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:44,914
She walked outside of
the apartment,
831
00:39:44,983 --> 00:39:47,083
Put the handcuffs on her.
832
00:39:47,151 --> 00:39:48,851
It was great.
833
00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:50,219
♪ ♪
834
00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:53,690
- Finally, they were able to
go forward.
835
00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:57,593
When carmen's family
found out that
836
00:39:57,662 --> 00:40:01,664
Maria de jesus allegedly
orchestrated
837
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:05,068
This senseless crime,
838
00:40:05,136 --> 00:40:07,403
They were stunned.
They couldn't believe it.
839
00:40:07,472 --> 00:40:10,407
♪ ♪
840
00:40:10,475 --> 00:40:12,441
- The arrest is
a triumph for police,
841
00:40:12,511 --> 00:40:14,711
Who fully hand the case over
to the da.
842
00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:17,146
They charged maria with
multiple counts,
843
00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:18,915
Including first-degree murder
844
00:40:18,983 --> 00:40:21,451
And conspiracy.
845
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,419
In January 2006,
846
00:40:23,488 --> 00:40:25,788
Four years after
carmen and ruben were killed,
847
00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:28,658
Her trial begins.
848
00:40:28,726 --> 00:40:30,727
The district attorney
finally reveals
849
00:40:30,795 --> 00:40:33,863
Why maria commissioned
the crime.
850
00:40:33,932 --> 00:40:35,131
♪ ♪
851
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:38,868
- Justino, the ex-husband,
was living on the third floor.
852
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,739
He was in charge of being
the super of the building.
853
00:40:42,807 --> 00:40:44,473
Carmen was the owner
of the building
854
00:40:44,543 --> 00:40:46,042
And she wasn't charging him
any rent
855
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:48,077
As long as he did maintenance
in the building.
856
00:40:48,146 --> 00:40:52,248
But he was slacking on
doing any maintenance
857
00:40:52,316 --> 00:40:55,752
And she was in the process of
getting him evicted.
858
00:40:55,820 --> 00:41:00,523
So then maria came up with
this brainstorm
859
00:41:00,592 --> 00:41:03,092
Of having
carmen quinones murdered
860
00:41:03,161 --> 00:41:04,594
And then they thought
they would wind up
861
00:41:04,662 --> 00:41:06,328
With the building.
862
00:41:06,398 --> 00:41:08,931
This case is all about
that brownstone.
863
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,636
♪ ♪
864
00:41:13,705 --> 00:41:16,906
- But the problem with
that plan
865
00:41:16,975 --> 00:41:22,078
Was that justino would not
inherit the brownstone.
866
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:25,748
It was gonna go to
carmen's family.
867
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:30,620
Maria's plan makes no sense.
868
00:41:30,688 --> 00:41:32,121
- As part of their case,
869
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:34,690
The prosecution puts forward
their key witness,
870
00:41:34,759 --> 00:41:37,359
Who is serving 23 to life.
871
00:41:37,429 --> 00:41:41,364
- The most powerful evidence
against maria de jesus was
872
00:41:41,432 --> 00:41:43,499
The testimony of rafael rios.
873
00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:45,201
♪ ♪
874
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:47,202
- Connecting the dots,
875
00:41:47,272 --> 00:41:52,608
Maria gave them keys to the
building and $15,000 in cash.
876
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:55,378
And we discovered maria has
a withdrawal
877
00:41:55,446 --> 00:41:58,247
Of $15,000 from
her bank account.
878
00:41:58,316 --> 00:42:01,117
That was an important
piece of evidence.
879
00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:03,653
♪ ♪
880
00:42:03,721 --> 00:42:05,121
- As the trial
comes to a close,
881
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:07,757
The jury reaches verdicts on
all counts
882
00:42:07,825 --> 00:42:10,860
And delivers maria's fate.
883
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:13,363
- Then boom,
884
00:42:13,431 --> 00:42:15,865
She got convicted and
she got life without parole,
885
00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:20,870
Which was the best possible
ending we could have for her.
886
00:42:20,938 --> 00:42:24,440
The district attorney,
he did a hell of a job.
887
00:42:24,508 --> 00:42:26,008
- How she could've ever thought
888
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:29,545
She was gonna get away
with this.
889
00:42:29,614 --> 00:42:32,281
This was just purely
about greed.
890
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:36,386
♪ ♪
891
00:42:36,454 --> 00:42:38,154
- After maria's sent to
prison,
892
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:40,023
Carmen's old neighborhood
reflects
893
00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:42,358
On the name that went
conspicuously untarnished
894
00:42:42,427 --> 00:42:43,826
In court.
895
00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:46,696
- Nothing pointed to justino,
the ex-husband,
896
00:42:46,764 --> 00:42:48,998
Having any knowledge of
this crime.
897
00:42:49,067 --> 00:42:51,834
Maria had put this whole crime
together,
898
00:42:51,836 --> 00:42:54,336
Not involving justino at all.
899
00:42:54,405 --> 00:42:56,072
♪ ♪
900
00:42:56,140 --> 00:42:58,841
- He would never have wanted
carmen harmed.
901
00:42:58,843 --> 00:43:01,443
He wasn't a brutal person.
902
00:43:01,513 --> 00:43:05,715
- Had justino become aware
that there was a plot,
903
00:43:05,783 --> 00:43:08,918
I think that he would have
put a stop to it.
904
00:43:08,987 --> 00:43:10,419
Absolutely.
905
00:43:10,488 --> 00:43:12,088
He's a decent guy
906
00:43:12,156 --> 00:43:15,224
And, certainly, he was going to
protect his granddaughter.
907
00:43:15,293 --> 00:43:18,460
♪ ♪
908
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:20,329
[somber music]
909
00:43:20,398 --> 00:43:22,131
- It still doesn't feel over.
910
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,465
In some ways, I mean,
911
00:43:23,467 --> 00:43:25,567
It still affects
the people on the block.
912
00:43:25,637 --> 00:43:27,737
I'm sure it affects ashley
and amy.
913
00:43:27,805 --> 00:43:29,638
♪ ♪
914
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,609
- Carmen had a pretty smile
every time I saw her
915
00:43:32,677 --> 00:43:34,544
And I miss it.
916
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,346
I think about her often.
917
00:43:36,414 --> 00:43:38,648
Breaks my heart.
918
00:43:38,716 --> 00:43:43,419
It's a very haunting feeling
to have to live with.
919
00:43:43,487 --> 00:43:46,756
♪ ♪