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[horse neighs]
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[hooves clopping]
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[ethereal music]
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[Yvette] I'll never forget
the first time
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that I saw a wild horse.
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It was right
at the edge of dawn,
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when the sky was in that special
shade between blue and purple.
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And I thought,
in that moment,
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they looked like ghosts
of the desert.
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♪
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It was a journey
none of us expected to go on.
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Encountering
such extraordinary beauty...
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and traversing
the vast Western US.
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We were searching
for the answer to one question.
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Why are wild horses
disappearing?
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[helicopter whirring]
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At first, what we discovered
sounded like a conspiracy...
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until we realized it was.
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[music fades]
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Anyone who says magic is gone
from the world
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hasn't been in the wild
with horses.
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There's a famous quote
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that I'd love
for you to think about,
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as we take you
through this journey.
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"We need
the tonic of wildness.
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We require that all things
be mysterious and unexplorable.
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That the land and the sea
be indefinitely wild.
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Unfathomed by us,
because they are unfathomable.
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We can never have enough
of nature."
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Most people don't know...
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that wild horses even exist
in our country.
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Representing purity,
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and power, and freedom.
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We originally began
this project
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as a love letter
to wild horses.
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And to gather footage
for a film
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that I was directing
at the time.
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A modern-day retelling
of Black Beauty.
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It's little known
that Anna C. Wells' classic
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wasn't necessarily written
as a children's book.
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It was an animal welfare plea,
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to protect
the horses of her time.
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Like most people,
we had no idea
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that wild horses were being
rounded up in mass numbers,
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taken away from their homes
and their families...
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put into government
holding facilities,
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never to gallop again.
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[horses neighing]
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So, after the credits rolled
on Black Beauty,
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we decided to keep going.
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But little did we know,
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beyond the extraordinary beauty
of wild horses,
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they had an enemy.
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One that was well-funded
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and full of lies,
deceit, and corruption.
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We had no idea
we were about to enter a war.
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We just got to Delta.
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We're not allowed
to view the holding facility,
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even though
it's a BLM holding facility.
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There's Kai,
we've got officers,
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I'm not sure
what we're about to encounter.
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The famous Onaqui Horses
were just rounded up,
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and they said that
we couldn't come observe.
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So, we came anyway.
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The horses are just being
unloaded from the trucks.
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[horses neighing]
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This is... [sighs]
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...this is really hard to see.
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[somber music]
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[horses whinnying]
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I think one of the worst things
in doing all of this...
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[helicopter whirring]
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...was watching their freedom
get taken away.
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-Gosh, that sound is--
-[man 1] I know, it's terrible.
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And we've been listening to it
for hours now,
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-for two hours, it's horrible.
-[Yvette sighs]
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And our question was...
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why?
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Why is this happening
to wild horses?
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Aren't they living symbols
of America?
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Aren't they supposed to be
federally protected?
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And if wild horses
live on public land,
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which they do...
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...don't the people have a say?
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[crowd chanting]
Stop the choppers!
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Isn't this our land?
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[crowd chanting]
Stop the choppers!
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Stop the choppers!
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[Yvette]
But before we go forward,
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let's go back.
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To understand where
wild horses really came from,
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and why they,
like other species,
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such as wolves, coyotes,
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trout and sage-grouse,
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are being scapegoated
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and knowingly eradicated
from our public lands.
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Because unless
we do something...
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wild horses will disappear...
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forever.
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[Yvette speaking
indigenous language]
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My name is
Dr. Yvette Running Horse Collin
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and I'm an Oglala Lakota
researcher and scientist.
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And I'm an administrator
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for the He'Sapa Unity Alliance
Council of Elders.
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So, Western science
and academia now agrees
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that the horse originated
in North America.
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However, they say
that all the horses died out
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in North and South America
during the last Ice Age,
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which is around 13,000
to 11,000 years ago,
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until Columbus
reintroduced them
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in the late 1400s.
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Many, many, many species
survived the Ice Age.
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For example,
the elk, the antelope,
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of course, we had the wolf,
the bear, the bison.
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So, I find it
very interesting,
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why they would focus
on the horse.
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Contrary to what Western
academia has put forward,
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our people say,
we always had the horse.
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History is often told
by the conqueror.
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There were many accounts
in the Spanish chronicles
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of multiple quadrupeds, right,
four-legged animals
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everywhere,
all over the place.
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There were also accounts
where Native peoples and horses
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were reported
as living together
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in a domestic-type situation.
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There is a great deal
of fossil evidence
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to prove that the horses
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did not go extinct
in the Americas
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and that they indeed
had a relationship
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with different Native peoples.
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This issue has not been properly
scientifically researched.
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What would happen...
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if it's understood
and widely accepted
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that the horse
survived the Ice Age?
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And, in fact, some of that blood
is still in the wild horses
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that roam these lands today.
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If the United States
follows its own laws,
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they would then be protected
by the Endangered Species Act.
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Not only
would they be protected,
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it also protects the lands
that they call home.
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They wouldn't be available
for extraction, uh, for mining.
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They would have to be kept pure
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and allowed
to live in balance.
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[plane roaring faintly]
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The wild horse war
has been going on
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for a long time.
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In 1971, President Nixon
stepped in to help.
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The president had been moved
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by the plight
of wild horses and burros
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after he received
thousands of letters
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sent in by children,
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a campaign organized
by Velma Johnson,
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better known
as "Wild Horse Annie."
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The president opened
his remarks on the bill
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by quoting
Henry David Thoreau.
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"We need the tonic
of wildness, "he began.
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Congress unanimously passed
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the Wild and Free-Roaming
Horses and Burros Act of 1971.
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Which stated
that they should be protected
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from capture, branding,
harassment, and death.
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It became
starkly black and white to us
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how much
that law was being violated,
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and how little had changed.
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We did not embark on this
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to become
investigative reporters.
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But we also refused
to stand idly by,
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after witnessing
such antiquated cruelty
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still happening today.
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We very calmly asked
and we said it is our right...
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-Yep. Yeah.
-...as journalists,
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as public observers,
to go over there
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and point our camera--
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And-- and we feel that
for the safety of everybody,
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and the coordination
of this group,
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we want to keep you here,
so that's what we're gonna do.
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[crew member] A minute ago,
it was for our safety,
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now you're saying
it's 'cause we're emotional.
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[man]
Well, emotion runs into that.
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If people are getting emotional,
how do you control people?
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[birds chirping]
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[Yvette] Today,
wild horses are under attack,
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perhaps more
than ever before.
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The law
President Nixon championed
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is being ignored.
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And even worse,
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the Bureau of Land Management
is currently trying to reduce
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wild horse populations down
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to what President Nixon
considered to be...
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extinction level.
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The president's policy
contained one fatal flaw.
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The Wild Horse
and Burro Act grants
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the Bureau of Land Management
sole authority
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to determine
the amount of wild horses
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that can roam free
on public land.
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Since 1971,
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the BLM has set
the appropriate amount to zero
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in nearly 50%
of herd management areas
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initially protected
at a federal level.
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But to get
to the bottom of all of this,
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we felt like we needed
to start with the horses.
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We needed to go out
into the wild.
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[delicate music]
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Our journey began in Utah,
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with the famous Onaqui horses.
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♪
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You come
to a place like this
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and the horses
are right off the road.
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And that's probably why
they're arguably
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the most famous horses
in the country.
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The more time
we spent with them...
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we began to learn about
their families.
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There were the curious foals,
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the watchful mothers...
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the playful adolescents,
and the bachelors.
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There were stallions
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that battled
for mares and dominance...
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[horses braying]
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And the more
quirky personalities.
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It was clear how much
they were just like us.
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We got to know
the rhythm of their lives
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and how
they had been given names,
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like Stargazer
and Moon Drinker.
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The cremello
and his best friend, the black.
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The powerful bay roan
who is very protective
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over his mares,
the perlino sisters.
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There was one stallion
with piercing blue eyes,
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that someone called Norman,
and the name stuck.
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Norman was part
of what's called bachelor band,
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which means
a group of young stallions
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who hang out together.
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His two best friends
were Rowan and Rudy.
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Our favorite family
didn't have any names,
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so we called
the stallion, Wind Knot,
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and his chestnut foal,
Suncatcher.
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When we first saw them,
there were over 500 horses,
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but the most famous
proved elusive.
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He was a legendary
white stallion called Old Man.
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The Gandalf of the mountains.
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This place
was like a fairytale.
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And it was right here
for all of us.
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But only two months
after we first visited them,
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we found out the Onaqui were
going to be rounded up, too.
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We realized at that point,
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as filmmakers,
we had a duty to protect them.
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Not only the Onaqui,
but all wild horses.
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But this issue has been
going on for over 100 years.
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How were we gonna
make a difference?
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As they usually did,
the horses guided us.
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Right to the good people
that could help.
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[Kimerlee]
Hi, I'm Kimerlee Curyl,
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and I am a wild horse
photographer and advocate
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for keeping our wild horses
on our public lands.
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[Erik] My name is Erik Molvar,
I'm a wildlife biologist,
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and I'm also
the Executive Director
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of Western Watersheds Project,
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a conservation group
dedicated to protecting
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and restoring wildlife
and watersheds
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throughout the American West.
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[Kimerlee]
So, I've been coming out
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to the Onaqui Range
since 2000-- 2009.
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But my first visit out here,
of course,
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was beyond magical
and life-changing.
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To drive out here,
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I did not expect to be immersed
in such a large herd of horses.
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To walk amongst them,
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feel like I became part
of the herd that week.
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And unfortunately, that fall,
there was an "emergency roundup"
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and they stripped
these horses down to--
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The last I read,
was somewhere between 50 and 75,
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and that was in 2009.
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[Erik] Here we are in the--
in the middle of the Red Desert,
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and it's one of the largest
unfenced tracts of public land
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anywhere remaining
in North America.
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The Red Desert is one
of the real biological hot spots
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in the American West.
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One of the places where
the ecosystems are healthiest,
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where the biodiversity
is greatest.
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And this is an area
that used to have
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thousands and thousands
of wild horses,
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but has been subjected
to heavy roundups
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by the Bureau
of Land Management,
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and now,
they're getting quite rare.
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In the Western United States,
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there are less
than 100,000 wild horses.
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There are two million cattle
that are set loose
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on Western Public Lands
every year.
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And who knows
how many million sheep.
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The Bureau of Land Management
recently did an analysis
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and determined
that pretty much
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all of the wild horse areas
in the Red Desert
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are meeting the thriving
natural ecological balance
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that's required by federal law.
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And yet,
the agency wants to take away
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thousands of these horses,
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even though the land
is in great shape.
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[Kimerlee]
It's also frustrating that
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if you were to look at a graph
of the, what is it,
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245 million acres
of public lands that we have
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and you look at how much
is allotted for cattle,
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and then you look at the very
small fraction for horses,
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you just got to
do the math on that.
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[Erik] Wild horses forage
a lot more like bison.
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Horses can forage ten,
20 miles away from water.
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So, they have
a lighter impact
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on the overall health
of the vegetation.
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Whereas cattle will forage
right next to water sources.
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And these
are the biodiversity hot spots,
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the oases
out here in the arid lands.
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So, if you have
really heavy overgrazing,
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close to water,
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you're wiping out
the biodiversity
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not just of the vegetation,
but of all the animals,
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the insects, the birds,
that depend on that.
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Wild horses have always been
an easy scapegoat
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for the livestock industry,
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because
they don't want to admit
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that their cattle and sheep,
and the huge numbers of them,
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that are overgrazing
chronically, year after year,
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are the problem with land health
in the American West.
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This is a-- a simple case
of the federal government
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doing the bidding
of a handful of privileged
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livestock permitees
that want the horses gone.
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They're pointing
to basically an innocent victim
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in all of this.
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Perhaps the biggest issue
facing Bureau of Land Management
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is the agency's
incompetence itself.
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[Yvette] We left the Red Desert
with two new allies.
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And in 2019, we experienced
our first roundup.
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Which was a massive removal
of over 800 horses
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in the Triple B area
of Nevada.
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But before we get
into the darker stuff,
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I think it's probably time
to introduce our team.
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[Ed] Uh,
Wyoming cell service
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isn't the best cell service
in the world.
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[Richard] That's why we're
listening to Alanis Morissette.
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[Yvette]
The driver is my husband, Ed.
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He's my partner
in all things.
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[Richard]
That's a lot of sand.
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The sarcastic one
is my younger brother, Richard.
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There's Kai,
our brilliant cinematographer,
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and our two first ACs,
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who rotated
during different trips,
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Brianna and Rocio.
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There was our set
photographer, Marcello,
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and our puppy, Whiskey,
who grew up along the journey.
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[Richard] This ferocious
snarling hell hound right here.
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[Yvette] As for me,
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I was usually editing
from the front seat,
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or running off
to find the horses.
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A film crew
is like a family,
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and we are fortunate to have
such a passionate team of people
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who endured long hours
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and sometimes
questionable motel rooms
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to tell this story.
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We drove through the night
to get to Ely,
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and braced ourselves for what
was to come the next day.
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[Richard] We say goodbye
to the...
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historic Hotel Nevada
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and Gambling Hall
and Denny's today.
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Now we are officially
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in the middle
of absolutely nowhere.
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[Ed] I want to know
who even found these horses
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and decided
they need to be rounded--
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-[Richard] Exactly.
-[Yvette] Look around.
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Like,
you can't even see them.
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[Richard] But, guys,
look how overpopulated it is.
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[Yvette] The Triple B HMA
is over 1.2 million acres.
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An HMA means
Herd Management Are a,
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basically the amount of land
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wild horses
are allowed to be free.
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The BLM justified
this roundup,
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where they planned
to take up to 800 horses
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away from their homes,
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by citing unnecessary
degradation to the land
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and wanting to restore
a thriving,
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natural ecological balance
for multi-use.
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There were an estimated
3,000 horses
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across all of this land.
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But the BLM wanted to
reduce them down
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to as low as 474.
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To give you an idea,
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that's one horse
per roughly 2,500 acres
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or 1,900 football fields.
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This is what's called an
Appropriate Management Level,
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or AML.
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Essentially,
the amount of wild horses
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the Bureau of Land Management
states the land can sustain.
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But in 2013,
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the National Academy
of Sciences,
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a group of independent
bipartisan scientists,
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stated that the AMLs
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were not supported
by scientific information,
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but the BLM
is still using them
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to round up thousands
of wild horses every year.
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Also stating that they're
starving and overpopulated,
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a repetitive narrative
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that we kept hearing
in the media,
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which was also supported
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by some of the ranchers
in the area.
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[Richard]
It's going to get bumpy.
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[Yvette] Now,
if you dig a little deeper,
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wild horses shared that land
with livestock,
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with up to 7,300
privately owned cattle
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and 36,000 sheep,
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which are authorized to graze
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in the wild horse complex
every year.
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Now, you might assume
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it's just
mom and pop ranchers,
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who get to graze their livestock
cheaply on public lands,
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but they're not.
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A large number of them
are millionaires, billionaires,
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and billionaire corporations
on Forbes Rich List.
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[music fades]
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[upbeat music playing
over radio]
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[Richard] Okay.
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[Richard huffs]
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Way over there.
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[Yvette] We've got
ten minutes to be set up.
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00:23:50,971 --> 00:23:54,016
We just brought
about 400 pounds of gear.
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[panting] Oh, God.
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Quarter mile.
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-[sighs] They are far away.
-[Yvette] Oh, my God.
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[whispering]
Do you think they see us?
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-[Richard] Yeah. We're on.
-Okay.
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[Yvette] We were placed
on top of a mountain,
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miles away from where
the helicopters began.
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00:24:12,326 --> 00:24:14,578
If we didn't have
a massive zoom lens,
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we wouldn't have been able
to see anything.
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00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,125
We also weren't allowed
to put up umbrellas,
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even though
the heat was over 100 degrees,
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because they said
it would scare the horses.
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[helicopter whirring]
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The horses were run
for miles.
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As they got closer,
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we saw their coats
glistening with sweat,
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and babies
at the point of exhaustion.
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00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:56,954
The helicopters then drove them
into the trap site,
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which was purposefully
blocked from view.
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This is often
where the injuries happen.
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Where horses break their legs
or their necks,
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00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:09,925
trying to escape,
or get back to their families.
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00:25:11,969 --> 00:25:15,472
We wondered where
that many horses would go,
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and why the BLM had
a publicist.
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00:25:18,934 --> 00:25:21,478
[Jenny] Um, so,
that historical part,
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00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:24,356
you know, obviously, they--
they weren't just here.
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00:25:24,481 --> 00:25:25,983
[Yvette] Mm-hmm.
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00:25:26,108 --> 00:25:28,777
Something kind of came along
after the Ice Age.
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Yeah, right.
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00:25:30,237 --> 00:25:32,531
-To replenish--
-[crosstalk]
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You know,
being able to survive
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in a natural
ecological balance.
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Green as this looks, you know,
they're not gonna eat the sage,
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they're not gonna eat--
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'Cause there's not sufficient
foraged water for them.
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[Yvette] It was the
same narrative again.
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And with all due respect
to Jenny,
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I'm a horse person,
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and the horses that we saw
getting rounded up
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were fat and healthy.
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This was just the beginning
of the string of lies
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that would be purported
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by Bureau of Land Management
publicists.
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But then,
all of a sudden,
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they asked us
to swing our camera around
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and point it
in the opposite direction.
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00:26:08,609 --> 00:26:10,277
They said
horses were coming in.
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It wasn't true.
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Where we were looking,
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we noticed
that a foal had collapsed
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and a lone Wrangler
was riding out toward it.
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00:26:20,329 --> 00:26:22,623
What happened next
is heartbreaking to see.
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00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:25,959
But it's important to show
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00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:29,213
the blatant disregard
for life,
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and the cruelty with which
these horses are treated.
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00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,761
That baby
was maybe a month old.
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Five foals died
due to the roundup.
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00:26:43,936 --> 00:26:45,729
One was reported by the BLM
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to have sustained injuries
during transport.
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00:26:49,066 --> 00:26:52,069
Possibly meaning
the baby was trampled to death
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in the trailer.
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00:26:54,363 --> 00:26:57,574
Another died due to
water toxicity in holding,
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which can medically indicate
fatal dehydration
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and muscle fatigue
from being run so hard.
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The outrage we felt
was indescribable.
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And how expansive is that,
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that the helicopters
just appear for that long
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and then they're racing
these horses...
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-[Ed] Yeah. Yeah.
-...for miles.
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Driving them at a gallop
for miles?
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00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,097
I-- I mentioned the family
dynamics at the Onaqui herd.
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And she basically stopped
at me and said...
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[Richard] Yeah,
"A wild animal's a wild animal."
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[Yvette] Yeah, they just mate
with each other and--
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[Richard] Some people
are animal lovers,
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00:27:27,604 --> 00:27:29,231
but they don't respect how
intelligent they actually are.
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00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:30,649
[Ed] Yeah. They just can't.
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[Yvette]
That's just-- that's just--
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That's ignorance,
that's willful ignorance.
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[Kai] Look,
how could-- could those trucks
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filled with horses,
come all the way here...
503
00:27:40,951 --> 00:27:43,078
-[Yvette] And then come back.
-...then come back that fast?
504
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:47,624
[Kai] That's some conspiracy--
conspiracy shit. [groans]
505
00:27:47,749 --> 00:27:49,501
Just keep rolling
the whole time, okay?
506
00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:51,837
[Kai] Yep. Yep.
507
00:27:51,962 --> 00:27:55,757
[Jenny] They want to feed
and water these horses
508
00:27:55,883 --> 00:28:00,846
and let them settle before
we have a bunch of bodies again.
509
00:28:00,971 --> 00:28:03,557
Yeah. [muffled speech]
510
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,184
[Kai speaking indistinctly]
511
00:28:05,309 --> 00:28:07,060
We do not have that on
[muffled speech] horses.
512
00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:11,565
[Yvette] We had to wait
for several hours
513
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,817
before we got to see
the horses up close.
514
00:28:15,402 --> 00:28:18,614
[somber music]
515
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:23,577
When we were finally allowed
to go in,
516
00:28:23,702 --> 00:28:28,457
we were only allowed to set
the camera down a few times.
517
00:28:28,582 --> 00:28:30,834
A ranger with a gun
had been with us all day,
518
00:28:30,959 --> 00:28:34,630
and several other
BLM employees were armed.
519
00:28:34,755 --> 00:28:37,591
It seemed a little excessive
for a couple of filmmakers
520
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:41,428
and a handful
of wild horse advocates.
521
00:28:41,553 --> 00:28:43,263
In the short time
that we had,
522
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:46,725
we managed to capture
some very upsetting images
523
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:49,853
of the horses of Triple B
who had lost their freedom.
524
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:53,732
Once they got to holding,
525
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:56,610
the Bureau of Land Management
euthanized multiple horses,
526
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:59,613
including those
they deemed blind,
527
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:03,283
even though they had survived
just fine in the wild.
528
00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:06,578
Euthanasia in this situation
usually isn't done
529
00:29:06,703 --> 00:29:09,748
with a humane injection.
530
00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:13,543
That's one of the reasons
the employees carry guns.
531
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:17,631
They often shoot the horses
to put them down at holding.
532
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,342
And we wondered
if this was one of the reasons
533
00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:25,347
we had to wait several hours
before we got to see them.
534
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:31,228
Sixteen horses lost their lives
in the roundup of Triple B.
535
00:29:31,353 --> 00:29:34,606
Very few would ever see
their families again.
536
00:29:37,276 --> 00:29:39,194
It was heartbreaking to think
537
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,072
that this was going to happen
to our beloved Onaqui herd,
538
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:46,576
and that their families
would suffer the same fate.
539
00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:50,998
It also started to make us
ask deeper questions.
540
00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:53,709
Who are we to look down
on animals
541
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:56,795
like they're lesser
or secondary?
542
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,547
After all,
543
00:29:58,672 --> 00:30:01,133
humans are social animals,
just like horses.
544
00:30:01,258 --> 00:30:02,926
And there are plenty
545
00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:06,722
of other indisputable
similarities between us.
546
00:30:06,847 --> 00:30:10,851
To say wild horses don't have
feelings or families
547
00:30:10,976 --> 00:30:14,896
seemed like a form
of human exceptionalism,
548
00:30:15,022 --> 00:30:18,150
self-delusion, arrogance,
549
00:30:18,275 --> 00:30:21,111
especially given
we're the only species
550
00:30:21,236 --> 00:30:24,281
willfully destroying
our own planet.
551
00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:28,577
So, perhaps, that makes
animals superior to us.
552
00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:30,912
In rare places
in the United States
553
00:30:31,038 --> 00:30:32,622
that actually maintain
554
00:30:32,748 --> 00:30:35,459
a thriving,
natural ecological balance,
555
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:38,670
such as Yellowstone,
or Glacier National Park,
556
00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:42,382
the animals
and habitat flourish.
557
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:44,092
These are places
where predators,
558
00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:46,178
like wolves
and mountain lions,
559
00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:49,306
aren't killed
to make way for livestock.
560
00:30:49,431 --> 00:30:54,102
But balanced places like this
are few and fast-disappearing,
561
00:30:54,227 --> 00:30:56,480
just like wild horses.
562
00:30:56,605 --> 00:31:00,359
If we want to have a chance
at living in harmony,
563
00:31:00,484 --> 00:31:04,988
doesn't that mean protecting
and re-wilding our world
564
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,616
instead of destroying it?
565
00:31:07,741 --> 00:31:12,079
All of these larger questions
started with the Onaqui.
566
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:14,039
The protection of this herd
567
00:31:14,164 --> 00:31:17,084
began to represent
something greater.
568
00:31:17,209 --> 00:31:19,586
We decided to ask
for support.
569
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,463
From not only the community
570
00:31:21,588 --> 00:31:22,839
fighting hard to protect them,
571
00:31:22,964 --> 00:31:24,841
but from children.
572
00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:27,803
And something
miraculous happened.
573
00:31:27,928 --> 00:31:31,473
We began receiving
thousands of letters
574
00:31:31,598 --> 00:31:34,059
from people all over the world,
575
00:31:34,184 --> 00:31:38,939
who joined us
in standing with wild horses.
576
00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:42,401
Perhaps there is hope
for the Onaqui yet.
577
00:31:42,526 --> 00:31:45,445
["Horse with No Name"
by America playing]
578
00:31:50,033 --> 00:31:53,870
♪ On the first part
of the journey ♪
579
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:57,791
♪ I was looking
at all the life ♪
580
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,837
♪ There were plants and birds
and rocks and things ♪
581
00:32:01,962 --> 00:32:06,299
♪ There was sand
and hills and rings ♪
582
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:09,928
♪ The first thing I met
was a fly with a buzz ♪
583
00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:14,307
♪ And the sky with no clouds ♪
584
00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:17,644
♪ The heat was hot
and the ground was dry ♪
585
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:21,481
♪ But the air
was full of sound ♪
586
00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:23,984
♪ I've been
through the desert ♪
587
00:32:24,109 --> 00:32:25,777
♪ On a horse with no name ♪
588
00:32:25,902 --> 00:32:29,197
♪ It felt good to be
out of the rain ♪
589
00:32:29,322 --> 00:32:33,326
♪ In the desert,
you can't remember your name ♪
590
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:37,706
♪ 'Cause there ain't no one
for to give you no pain ♪
591
00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:41,209
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
592
00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:45,380
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
593
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:48,884
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
594
00:32:49,009 --> 00:32:52,471
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
595
00:32:52,596 --> 00:32:57,100
♪ After two days
in the desert sun ♪
596
00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:00,479
♪ My skin began
to turn red ♪
597
00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:04,483
♪ After three days
in the desert fun ♪
598
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:07,903
♪ I was looking
at a river bed ♪
599
00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:12,157
♪ And the story it told
of a river that flowed ♪
600
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:16,286
♪ Made me sad to think
it was dead ♪
601
00:33:16,411 --> 00:33:18,121
♪ You see I've been
through the desert ♪
602
00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:20,332
♪ On a horse with no name ♪
603
00:33:20,457 --> 00:33:23,919
♪ It felt good to be
out of the rain ♪
604
00:33:24,044 --> 00:33:27,714
♪ In the desert,
you can't remember your name ♪
605
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:31,676
♪ 'Cause there ain't no one
for to give you no pain ♪
606
00:33:31,801 --> 00:33:35,722
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
607
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:39,559
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
608
00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:43,563
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
609
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,566
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
610
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:53,031
♪
611
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:07,087
♪ After nine days,
I let the horse run free ♪
612
00:34:07,212 --> 00:34:10,757
♪ 'Cause the desert
had turned to sea ♪
613
00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:14,636
♪ There were plants and birds
and rocks and things ♪
614
00:34:14,761 --> 00:34:19,140
♪ There was sand
and hills and rings ♪
615
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:22,519
♪ The ocean is a desert
with its life underground ♪
616
00:34:22,644 --> 00:34:26,439
♪ And a perfect disguise
above ♪
617
00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:30,235
♪ Under the cities
lies a heart made of ground ♪
618
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,072
♪ But the humans
will give no love ♪
619
00:34:34,197 --> 00:34:36,324
♪ You see I've been
through the desert ♪
620
00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:38,118
♪ On a horse with no name ♪
621
00:34:38,243 --> 00:34:41,788
♪ It felt good
to be out of the rain ♪
622
00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:45,750
♪ In the desert,
you can't remember your name ♪
623
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:49,838
♪ 'Cause there ain't no one
for to give you no pain ♪
624
00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:53,717
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
625
00:34:53,842 --> 00:34:57,554
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
626
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,683
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
627
00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:05,895
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
628
00:35:06,021 --> 00:35:09,399
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
629
00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,986
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
630
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:16,865
♪ La-la-la, la-la-la ♪
631
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:19,326
♪ La-la-la, la-la ♪
632
00:35:19,451 --> 00:35:21,244
[music fades]
633
00:35:22,704 --> 00:35:24,414
[gentle folk music]
634
00:35:24,539 --> 00:35:27,542
[Yvette] Our journey took us
over 20,000 miles
635
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:32,672
across 13 different states
and diverse landscapes.
636
00:35:32,797 --> 00:35:36,676
The Red Desert turned
into lush forest.
637
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:39,554
And there were a few places
that struck us most of all.
638
00:35:43,767 --> 00:35:45,393
They were the horses of Heber,
639
00:35:45,518 --> 00:35:47,771
living in the Sitgreaves
National Forest.
640
00:35:50,023 --> 00:35:51,566
And in the woodlands
of Oregon,
641
00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:54,110
these horses
had rare bloodlines
642
00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:56,279
thought to have died out
many years ago,
643
00:35:56,404 --> 00:35:58,531
until the Kiger were found.
644
00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:03,203
We also wanted to speak
with ranchers
645
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,038
to get their side
of the story.
646
00:36:05,163 --> 00:36:08,750
Surely not every rancher
wanted wild horses gone.
647
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:12,003
I'm Stacey Davies, Manager
of Roaring Springs Ranches
648
00:36:12,128 --> 00:36:13,797
in French Glen, Oregon.
649
00:36:13,922 --> 00:36:16,841
We have, on those ranches,
three Herd Management Areas,
650
00:36:16,966 --> 00:36:20,345
South Steens, Beatys Butte,
and the Kigers.
651
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:22,597
[Kathy]
I am Kathy Gibson Boatman.
652
00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:24,683
I was born here
in Arizona.
653
00:36:24,808 --> 00:36:27,185
Um, I'm an eighth--
seventh generation
654
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,604
involved in cattle ranching
in Arizona.
655
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:31,272
I love horses.
656
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:33,608
I-- I mean, I'm a rancher
because I love horses.
657
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:35,902
And the wild horses
are such an icon.
658
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,529
They keep the trails open,
659
00:36:37,654 --> 00:36:40,407
they utilize foraging areas
the cows won't go.
660
00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:43,076
And we feel like they're part
of the multiple use
661
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:44,577
that should happen
on that range land.
662
00:36:44,703 --> 00:36:46,705
[Kathy]
The government gave homesteads,
663
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,998
encouraging people
to come and settle
664
00:36:49,124 --> 00:36:50,875
the wild western frontier
665
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,795
because it was a wild,
wild western place,
666
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,589
you know,
still had Indians doing battle,
667
00:36:56,715 --> 00:37:00,844
and the Historic Preservation
Act of 1966 requires
668
00:37:00,969 --> 00:37:04,305
that they consider
how their decisions impact
669
00:37:04,431 --> 00:37:08,393
our historic resources
and our cultural traditions.
670
00:37:08,518 --> 00:37:11,813
[Stacey] The Kiger HMA would be
somewhere around 30,000 acres.
671
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:14,733
They generally keep it
right around 100 head of horses.
672
00:37:14,858 --> 00:37:16,443
How-- how do you count
every single horse
673
00:37:16,568 --> 00:37:18,111
on a single given day?
674
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:21,489
I've heard there's anywhere
from 1,000 to 2,500.
675
00:37:21,614 --> 00:37:25,368
It all depends on what area
you're counting those horses in.
676
00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:28,997
7,000 that they know of.
677
00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:30,623
[Stacey]
When they set these herds up,
678
00:37:30,749 --> 00:37:34,711
it was recognized
that any one herd below 300
679
00:37:34,836 --> 00:37:37,130
would not mean
enough genetic diversity
680
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,048
to maintain
a healthy population.
681
00:37:39,174 --> 00:37:40,717
There was a big argument
682
00:37:40,842 --> 00:37:44,095
that we should not have herds
of less than 300.
683
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:46,681
So, people,
especially advocates,
684
00:37:46,806 --> 00:37:49,934
are currently asking
for a look at AML.
685
00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:53,104
And that many of these
AMLs are too low,
686
00:37:53,229 --> 00:37:56,149
and that too much forage
was allocated to livestock
687
00:37:56,274 --> 00:37:57,484
and not enough to horses.
688
00:37:57,609 --> 00:37:58,943
And-- and I'm asking
689
00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:01,237
rather than have
that s-- small debate,
690
00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:04,282
that we have
a much bigger national debate.
691
00:38:04,407 --> 00:38:07,494
Let's look at the whole program
at the top and come down,
692
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:11,372
and how many horses is enough
for the US government to own?
693
00:38:11,498 --> 00:38:15,001
I think it's wrong to-- to say
that every one of these HMAs
694
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,045
should have
300 to 500 head,
695
00:38:17,170 --> 00:38:19,589
so you have enough
genetic diversity,
696
00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:21,174
because I don't think
the BLM needs
697
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,760
200,000 horses
on the range.
698
00:38:23,885 --> 00:38:26,179
I think 20,000's
probably enough.
699
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:27,764
And that wasn't really
the intention
700
00:38:27,889 --> 00:38:29,766
of the Wild Horse
and Burro Act.
701
00:38:29,891 --> 00:38:34,062
The intention of the Horse--
the Wild Horse and Burro Act
702
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:36,147
was not to just set up
some creatures
703
00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:38,650
as though they were unicorns
for people to look at,
704
00:38:38,775 --> 00:38:40,360
who just magically appeared.
705
00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:42,403
There was just
an overpopulation.
706
00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:45,281
Therein lies the horse herd
that we are dealing with now.
707
00:38:45,406 --> 00:38:46,950
Ha-- have they tested
them genetically
708
00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:49,244
to show their lineage?
709
00:38:49,369 --> 00:38:51,830
There's talk of that,
but they say it's not--
710
00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:54,999
Not feasible, not viable,
not a viable option.
711
00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:57,001
Congress has allocated
every dollar
712
00:38:57,126 --> 00:38:58,711
for the Wild Horse
and Burro program
713
00:38:58,837 --> 00:39:00,922
that BLM's ever asked for.
714
00:39:01,047 --> 00:39:03,007
So, you--
if you ask BLM that question,
715
00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:05,218
they'll say,
"We don't have enough money."
716
00:39:05,343 --> 00:39:08,555
BLM is not creative.
717
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,140
They are bureaucratic,
718
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:13,268
they don't think
outside the box,
719
00:39:13,393 --> 00:39:16,771
they are not innovative,
and I think they should be.
720
00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:19,816
The ranchers
are part of the solution.
721
00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:22,360
All of the good ground
is private land,
722
00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:24,279
all intermingled
with public land.
723
00:39:24,404 --> 00:39:26,990
So, if you take my public
grazing permit away from me
724
00:39:27,115 --> 00:39:28,908
and I fence off
my private land,
725
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:31,452
I screw up
the HMA completely,
726
00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:33,204
'cause those horses
can no longer move
727
00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:36,082
throughout 40 acres
with a reservoir in the middle.
728
00:39:36,207 --> 00:39:38,835
We fence off the 40,
the horses die.
729
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,587
So, what do we own?
730
00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:42,505
We own all the water.
731
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:46,134
So, there's an interdependence
between public and private land.
732
00:39:46,259 --> 00:39:48,928
I hope that we can have
continued discussions
733
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,098
about what wild horse-friendly
ranching looks like
734
00:39:52,223 --> 00:39:54,225
and it can include the BLM.
735
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:56,603
We can have
that programmatic review.
736
00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:58,771
And if Congress really
wants to work on this issue,
737
00:39:58,897 --> 00:40:00,231
that's what they would do.
738
00:40:00,356 --> 00:40:01,774
[Yvette] To date,
739
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:03,276
there have been
no legal roundups
740
00:40:03,401 --> 00:40:05,653
of the Heber horses.
741
00:40:05,778 --> 00:40:09,157
Though the Forest Service
is currently pushing for one.
742
00:40:09,282 --> 00:40:11,784
However,
in the '80s and '90s,
743
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:14,704
the Forest Service
colluded with ranchers
744
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:17,040
to round up
dozens of Heber horses
745
00:40:17,165 --> 00:40:20,710
and sell them at auction.
746
00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:24,631
These places can often lead
to the slaughter pipe line.
747
00:40:26,299 --> 00:40:27,884
[Stacey]
Death is an interesting topic.
748
00:40:28,009 --> 00:40:32,096
So, humans, and especially
North American humans,
749
00:40:32,221 --> 00:40:34,390
don't deal with death
very well.
750
00:40:34,515 --> 00:40:36,684
To me, there's just
this total disconnect
751
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:40,021
between what's humane
and not humane.
752
00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:42,398
Now, is the trader right
inhumane,
753
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:44,192
or are they handled poorly
in the corral?
754
00:40:44,317 --> 00:40:45,944
We can have
a discussion around that.
755
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:47,779
But the actual death?
756
00:40:47,904 --> 00:40:49,864
There's no better way
than to go with a stun gun.
757
00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:52,659
[snaps finger] Done.
758
00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:54,702
[Yvette] But in Mexico,
some of those deaths
759
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:56,621
in those slaughter plants
are just-- I--
760
00:40:56,746 --> 00:40:58,873
So, let's do it in the US,
where we can control it.
761
00:41:00,041 --> 00:41:02,001
Horse meat's great meat.
762
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:04,629
There was great uses
for it before.
763
00:41:04,754 --> 00:41:06,339
So, let's do it
in the US,
764
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:08,091
where we can control
the manner in which it's done.
765
00:41:08,216 --> 00:41:10,718
We can have humane
handling of the animals,
766
00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:12,428
right up until their death.
767
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:14,055
Far more humane
768
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:15,306
than what they're going through
on the range.
769
00:41:15,431 --> 00:41:17,141
I've had people tell me,
770
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:18,476
"Well, the ranchers should get
their own private land,
771
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:19,686
or go back to--
go to Texas."
772
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,396
Well, I've been to Texas,
773
00:41:21,521 --> 00:41:23,898
and they're selling off
private ranches there.
774
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:27,568
And they're selling them
to be game preserves, you know?
775
00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:29,028
I don't know
how you feel about it,
776
00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:31,739
but I don't really
want to eat zebra.
777
00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:35,493
♪
778
00:41:35,618 --> 00:41:37,370
[Yvette] By this stage,
779
00:41:37,495 --> 00:41:40,206
we had gotten familiar
with the slaughter pipe line.
780
00:41:40,331 --> 00:41:42,000
And we had gotten to know
some of the players
781
00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:44,669
that run kill pens.
782
00:41:44,794 --> 00:41:48,047
Basically feedlots
or auctions,
783
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:51,300
where kill buyers
purchase horses and burros
784
00:41:51,426 --> 00:41:52,969
to send to slaughter.
785
00:41:54,429 --> 00:41:55,930
In the United States,
786
00:41:56,055 --> 00:41:57,932
slaughtering horses
to sell their meat
787
00:41:58,057 --> 00:42:01,352
for human consumption
is not legal.
788
00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:03,771
However, it's not illegal
789
00:42:03,896 --> 00:42:08,026
to send them across the border
to Canada and Mexico.
790
00:42:08,151 --> 00:42:12,572
We wanted to get down to Texas
to take a look for ourselves.
791
00:42:12,697 --> 00:42:14,991
Of course, we couldn't bring
regular film cameras
792
00:42:15,116 --> 00:42:19,579
into places like these,
so we had to be covert.
793
00:42:19,704 --> 00:42:22,165
-Which button is it?
-[Yvette's dad] Top one.
794
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:23,666
Oh, my God,
that is a freaking--
795
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:25,460
-[Yvette's dad] Yup.
-[Richard] That's--
796
00:42:25,585 --> 00:42:27,045
[Yvette's dad] Do you see
the screen here, though?
797
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:28,463
Where?
798
00:42:28,588 --> 00:42:29,714
[Yvette's dad]
Right here in my hand?
799
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,091
I can't move it too far.
800
00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:33,468
[Yvette] My husband, Ed,
was in the middle
801
00:42:33,593 --> 00:42:35,261
of producing
another movie,
802
00:42:35,386 --> 00:42:37,722
so my dad joined
my brother and I on this trip
803
00:42:37,847 --> 00:42:40,808
for an added
layer of protection.
804
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:42,435
[Yvette's dad] I was just
thinking of buying a horse.
805
00:42:43,352 --> 00:42:44,562
[man] All right.
806
00:42:44,687 --> 00:42:45,897
[Yvette] It was nerve-wracking,
807
00:42:46,022 --> 00:42:47,815
going into a place like this.
808
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:51,027
My little camera
wasn't as covert as we thought,
809
00:42:51,152 --> 00:42:54,781
but Richard's button cam,
which we sewed into his shirt,
810
00:42:54,906 --> 00:42:56,908
was nearly undetectable.
811
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:58,743
So, most of our footage
lives here.
812
00:42:58,868 --> 00:43:01,287
[auctioneer auctioneering]
813
00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:02,747
[man 1] Man, busy day.
814
00:43:02,872 --> 00:43:06,584
[auctioneer continues
indistinctly]
815
00:43:13,341 --> 00:43:16,010
[Yvette whispering] Rick.
They've got a zebra in here.
816
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:17,553
It's a baby.
817
00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:20,765
[indistinct chatter]
818
00:43:25,728 --> 00:43:26,938
[Richard] Excuse me, sir.
819
00:43:27,063 --> 00:43:28,606
Where are the wild horses?
820
00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:29,941
[man] They're over the hill.
821
00:43:30,066 --> 00:43:32,151
[Richard] Oh, got you.
822
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:35,113
There are probably 30, 40...
[muffled speech]
823
00:43:35,238 --> 00:43:37,156
[Yvette whispers]
Oh, my gosh.
824
00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:39,158
What are those?
825
00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:41,494
It's like a zebra
and a horse combined.
826
00:43:50,545 --> 00:43:52,964
[Richard] Oh, my God.
827
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:55,049
You can tell
they got the same blue eye.
828
00:43:55,174 --> 00:43:57,135
[Yvette] Yeah.
829
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,511
You see her down there?
830
00:44:00,513 --> 00:44:02,265
On our very first day,
831
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:05,226
we got a glimpse into
the auction world of Texas.
832
00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:08,396
But the loose horses
that my dad was asking about,
833
00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:09,981
the wild horses,
834
00:44:10,106 --> 00:44:12,942
had already left
early in the morning.
835
00:44:13,067 --> 00:44:16,195
We'd be there
the next day to see them.
836
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,407
This was part of the auction
not on the schedule.
837
00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:29,709
[Yvette's dad] I want to go
one or two more down.
838
00:44:29,834 --> 00:44:31,502
-[Richard] Yeah.
-[Yvette] Down here?
839
00:44:31,627 --> 00:44:33,546
[Yvette's dad] Yeah, let's get
a little closer, maybe.
840
00:44:33,671 --> 00:44:36,465
-[Yvette] We got good seats.
-[Richard] Yeah.
841
00:44:36,591 --> 00:44:39,510
[auctioneer auctioneering]
842
00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:47,643
So, 2,550 down here?
843
00:44:47,768 --> 00:44:51,480
[indistinct chatter]
844
00:44:51,606 --> 00:44:55,234
[auctioneer continues
indistinctly]
845
00:45:03,993 --> 00:45:07,580
[indistinct chatter]
846
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:19,634
[Yvette] It was all we could do
to keep from crying out.
847
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,763
Especially when the mothers
848
00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:27,808
and their terrified babies
came through.
849
00:45:27,934 --> 00:45:29,852
I was also nervous
when I recognized
850
00:45:29,977 --> 00:45:32,230
a known kill buyer
in the audience.
851
00:45:32,355 --> 00:45:34,649
Thankfully, he didn't know
what I looked like.
852
00:45:37,902 --> 00:45:40,988
We were told that if the horses
were bought in big numbers,
853
00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:43,824
they were probably being
shipped to slaughter in Mexico.
854
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:46,160
[Yvette's dad] Where'd they--
Where'd they capture all those?
855
00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:48,496
-In the-- out in the range?
-[Richard] Yeah.
856
00:45:48,621 --> 00:45:50,039
[Yvette] We were also curious
857
00:45:50,164 --> 00:45:52,458
where the zebra
was from earlier.
858
00:45:52,583 --> 00:45:54,919
[Richard] I think that's him
in the red, in the-- yeah.
859
00:45:58,381 --> 00:46:03,511
[Yvette] It was surreal seeing
zebras in a place like this.
860
00:46:03,636 --> 00:46:06,222
We couldn't imagine
where they might end up next.
861
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:09,100
Especially given
862
00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:12,561
there are no limits on
exotic animal hunting in Texas.
863
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:16,399
We also noticed
on social media,
864
00:46:16,524 --> 00:46:19,902
almost immediately after
the donkeys were purchased,
865
00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:22,780
they popped up
on a kill pen website...
866
00:46:22,905 --> 00:46:25,324
listed for sale
or slaughter.
867
00:46:27,576 --> 00:46:30,288
We ended up speaking to someone
in the know at the auction,
868
00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:31,998
who offered
to do an interview.
869
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:33,165
[man over phone]
if it's in somebody's budget,
870
00:46:33,291 --> 00:46:34,709
they go across the border,
871
00:46:34,834 --> 00:46:36,335
and once
they go across the border,
872
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,337
they more than likely
don't come back.
873
00:46:38,462 --> 00:46:40,131
[Yvette]
But when our camera showed up,
874
00:46:40,256 --> 00:46:42,883
he disappeared and stopped
responding to calls,
875
00:46:43,009 --> 00:46:45,469
text messages,
and voice mails.
876
00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:47,680
He did do a brief call
with me on the phone.
877
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,140
[Yvette] We were here
earlier this morning,
878
00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:50,558
and with the little donkeys
879
00:46:50,683 --> 00:46:52,727
and with some
of those wild horses,
880
00:46:52,852 --> 00:46:55,271
we did notice certain numbers
were bidding on a lot of them.
881
00:46:55,396 --> 00:46:58,316
Are they bidding on them
to send them down to Mexico?
882
00:46:58,441 --> 00:46:59,859
[man over phone]
Oh, more than likely.
883
00:46:59,984 --> 00:47:01,527
If you-- if you--
if you're there
884
00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:02,903
and you're paying attention
in the ring
885
00:47:03,029 --> 00:47:04,530
and the number of buyers,
886
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:07,825
if there's a guy there
that buys over,
887
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:10,661
you know, ten head,
he's buying for the killers,
888
00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:12,580
is what they--
they call them the killers--
889
00:47:12,705 --> 00:47:13,914
Or sometimes
they're not killers,
890
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,333
but he's buying for Mexico.
891
00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:17,543
Like, 90% of those donkeys,
892
00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:19,086
they probably all got bought,
893
00:47:19,211 --> 00:47:20,463
and they'll probably
go to Mexico
894
00:47:20,588 --> 00:47:22,131
and then on the horse side,
895
00:47:22,256 --> 00:47:24,342
yes, if you pay attention to it
and you listen
896
00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:26,886
and you see one number
and he's buying,
897
00:47:27,011 --> 00:47:28,763
you know, over ten horses
898
00:47:28,888 --> 00:47:31,891
and he's not paying
over $1,000 a piece for them,
899
00:47:32,016 --> 00:47:34,935
then, yes, ma'am, he's--
he's putting together a load
900
00:47:35,061 --> 00:47:36,729
and he's gonna send them
to Mexico.
901
00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,606
They'll send
anything down there.
902
00:47:38,731 --> 00:47:40,483
It's-- Whatever
doesn't get bought,
903
00:47:40,608 --> 00:47:42,902
a killer buyer will buy,
no matter how junky it is.
904
00:47:43,027 --> 00:47:44,820
If it comes in there
with a broke leg,
905
00:47:44,945 --> 00:47:46,572
it doesn't matter.
906
00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:48,491
They'll give a price for it
and it'll sell.
907
00:47:53,579 --> 00:47:54,914
[door slams shut]
908
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:02,755
[Yvette] There were low parts
in our journey,
909
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,175
but this was definitely
one of them.
910
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:08,594
Thousands of wild horses
and burros
911
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,389
had ended up
in the slaughter pipe line.
912
00:48:11,514 --> 00:48:13,641
And as the New York Times
exposed,
913
00:48:13,766 --> 00:48:18,270
the Bureau of Land Management's
own adoption incentive program
914
00:48:18,396 --> 00:48:22,274
had led to duplicitous people
making thousands of dollars
915
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,485
by adopting
wild horses and burros
916
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:26,821
and then flipping them
at auctions,
917
00:48:26,946 --> 00:48:28,406
like the one
we were just at.
918
00:48:31,534 --> 00:48:32,993
The BLM's budget
919
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,620
for the Wild Horse
and Burro program
920
00:48:34,745 --> 00:48:36,455
in 2021 alone,
921
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:40,501
was over
115 million dollars.
922
00:48:40,626 --> 00:48:43,963
Where was all of that
being spent?
923
00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,674
When we looked, we
saw that more than half of it
924
00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:50,970
was being spent on long-term
and short-term holding.
925
00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:54,056
Basically incarcerating
wild horses
926
00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:58,018
for the rest of their lives
at taxpayers' expense.
927
00:48:58,144 --> 00:49:03,357
We'd visited these facilities
and it was awful.
928
00:49:03,482 --> 00:49:07,736
The wild horses
were branded like cattle.
929
00:49:07,862 --> 00:49:11,490
Tags were strapped
tightly around their necks.
930
00:49:11,615 --> 00:49:13,242
Some were even spray painted.
931
00:49:17,037 --> 00:49:18,998
And worst of all,
932
00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:21,375
they were separated
from their families.
933
00:49:25,296 --> 00:49:28,257
You could just see
the betrayal in their eyes.
934
00:49:30,384 --> 00:49:33,262
Especially when they looked out
beyond the bars,
935
00:49:33,387 --> 00:49:34,638
toward the mountains.
936
00:49:38,058 --> 00:49:41,270
Many of these places
don't have shade...
937
00:49:41,395 --> 00:49:44,190
or any shelter
from the elements.
938
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:50,321
All they can do is wait
and comfort each other.
939
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:57,411
♪
940
00:50:03,125 --> 00:50:05,628
Unsurprisingly,
as it turned out...
941
00:50:07,379 --> 00:50:09,465
millions of dollars
were being spent
942
00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:14,011
on contracts
for helicopter roundups...
943
00:50:14,136 --> 00:50:15,846
and for livestock ranchers
944
00:50:15,971 --> 00:50:19,517
to use their pastures
to warehouse wild horses.
945
00:50:21,435 --> 00:50:23,604
Several of these contractors
946
00:50:23,729 --> 00:50:26,315
such as Cattoor
Livestock Roundup Inc.,
947
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,651
better known
as the Cattoor family,
948
00:50:28,776 --> 00:50:32,404
were among the BLM's
contractors of choice...
949
00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:37,952
along with Shane F Sampson
and Sun J Livestock.
950
00:50:38,077 --> 00:50:41,580
Sampson had earned
over four million dollars.
951
00:50:43,916 --> 00:50:48,671
Sun J Livestock had been
awarded approximately ten million.
952
00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:52,967
And the Cattoors had earned
over 30 million dollars
953
00:50:53,092 --> 00:50:55,928
in contracts from
the United States Government.
954
00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:00,641
Let's reiterate
that these are contractors,
955
00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:03,769
awarded millions
by the American Government,
956
00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:08,315
funded by our tax dollars,
to round up wild horses
957
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,278
which are supposed to be
federally protected.
958
00:51:12,403 --> 00:51:16,949
But shockingly, in 1992,
along with several others,
959
00:51:17,074 --> 00:51:20,578
Dave Cattoor was convicted
and pled guilty
960
00:51:20,703 --> 00:51:23,205
to breaking a federal law.
961
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:27,793
For conspiring to use his
aircraft to hunt wild horses
962
00:51:27,918 --> 00:51:29,962
for the purposes
of capturing them,
963
00:51:30,087 --> 00:51:33,716
killing them
and sending them to slaughter.
964
00:51:33,841 --> 00:51:37,386
He was only fined $500.
965
00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:39,847
And the BLM continues to hire
966
00:51:39,972 --> 00:51:42,516
Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc.
967
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,687
[Scott]
My name is Scott Beckstead.
968
00:51:46,812 --> 00:51:48,981
I'm Director of Campaigns
for Animal Wellness Action
969
00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,899
and the Center
for a Humane Economy.
970
00:51:51,025 --> 00:51:52,943
And I'm also
an adjunct professor of law
971
00:51:53,068 --> 00:51:54,903
at Willamette University.
972
00:51:55,029 --> 00:51:56,572
There has been a push,
973
00:51:56,697 --> 00:51:59,491
an aggressive push
by the Bureau of Land Management
974
00:51:59,617 --> 00:52:01,410
to ramp up these roundups
and removals,
975
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:04,121
and it's being fueled
by the huge sums of money
976
00:52:04,246 --> 00:52:06,540
appropriated to it by Congress.
977
00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:08,542
Congress
has been successfully lobbied
978
00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:11,128
by the beef industry
for the roundup and removal
979
00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:13,380
of huge numbers
of wild horses and burros
980
00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:17,092
to get the population down
to the low AMLs.
981
00:52:17,217 --> 00:52:20,262
The BLM has constructed
this false narrative
982
00:52:20,387 --> 00:52:22,848
about an overpopulation
of wild horses.
983
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:25,059
It's a clever ploy
because it diverts
984
00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:27,227
the public's attention
away from the effects
985
00:52:27,353 --> 00:52:30,189
of overgrazing by millions
of commercial livestock
986
00:52:30,314 --> 00:52:33,734
that the BLM has allowed
to happen on our public lands.
987
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:36,195
What makes these roundups
so difficult to stop
988
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,738
is the huge amounts of money.
989
00:52:37,863 --> 00:52:39,823
Congress has really enabled this
990
00:52:39,948 --> 00:52:42,701
by appropriating 116 million
991
00:52:42,826 --> 00:52:46,455
in 2021 alone
to fund these operations.
992
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:48,540
It pays
the helicopter contractors
993
00:52:48,666 --> 00:52:50,584
millions of dollars
to do their work,
994
00:52:50,709 --> 00:52:53,212
and then it also appropriates
millions more
995
00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:55,756
to these private entities,
mostly corporations,
996
00:52:55,881 --> 00:52:58,676
to build these off-range
holding facilities
997
00:52:58,801 --> 00:53:00,719
where tens of thousands
of our wild horses
998
00:53:00,844 --> 00:53:03,597
and burros will be kept.
999
00:53:03,722 --> 00:53:05,557
Hi, I'm Marty Irby,
I'm the Executive Director
1000
00:53:05,683 --> 00:53:07,726
of Animal Wellness Action
in Washington DC.
1001
00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:10,646
I'm one of the nation's
top lobbyists in the country
1002
00:53:10,771 --> 00:53:13,524
and also the top lobbyist
on horse protection issues.
1003
00:53:13,649 --> 00:53:16,026
One thing that most people
don't realize that occurs
1004
00:53:16,151 --> 00:53:18,654
is that there are
lobbying dollars
1005
00:53:18,779 --> 00:53:20,322
in Washington DC
that we're up against.
1006
00:53:20,447 --> 00:53:22,116
It's a David and Goliath
situation
1007
00:53:22,241 --> 00:53:25,869
because there are
actual federal funds
1008
00:53:25,994 --> 00:53:29,581
called "USDA
Commodity Checkoff Programs."
1009
00:53:29,707 --> 00:53:31,625
Those commercials, you see,
like, "Got milk,"
1010
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:33,544
"Beef,
it's what's for dinner,"
1011
00:53:33,669 --> 00:53:35,504
"Pork, the other white meat,"
and "The incredible edible egg,"
1012
00:53:35,629 --> 00:53:37,756
aren't really commercials
or ad campaigns,
1013
00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:40,050
they're USDA checkoff programs,
1014
00:53:40,175 --> 00:53:43,095
they're funded by dollars
paid in by producers
1015
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:44,680
to sell these products.
1016
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:47,599
These entities
are quasi-governmental entities,
1017
00:53:47,725 --> 00:53:49,143
and they're utilizing the funds
1018
00:53:49,268 --> 00:53:51,687
to illegally lobby for policies
1019
00:53:51,812 --> 00:53:53,313
that we don't support,
1020
00:53:53,439 --> 00:53:56,150
policies that put
small farmers out of business,
1021
00:53:56,275 --> 00:53:58,235
policies that harm animals,
1022
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,446
policies that are pro-slaughter,
1023
00:54:00,571 --> 00:54:03,157
total of $850 million a year
1024
00:54:03,282 --> 00:54:05,242
for all of
the checkoffs combined.
1025
00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:08,829
Basically, the National
Cattlemen's Beef Association,
1026
00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:11,206
NCBA,
which is the beef checkoff,
1027
00:54:11,331 --> 00:54:15,711
uses their money illegally
to lobby for horse slaughter.
1028
00:54:15,836 --> 00:54:17,546
These horses
are going to become food
1029
00:54:17,671 --> 00:54:21,049
for someone
in China, Japan or Europe.
1030
00:54:21,175 --> 00:54:23,218
I think
one of the most glaring examples
1031
00:54:23,343 --> 00:54:26,638
of this corrupt system
is with J. R. Simplot,
1032
00:54:26,764 --> 00:54:29,433
uh, which is an Idaho-based
food company
1033
00:54:29,558 --> 00:54:32,102
that grazes
tens of thousands of cattle
1034
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:33,937
at a taxpayer-subsidized rate
1035
00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:36,815
of a dollar 35
per animal unit month
1036
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:40,068
on grazing allotments
across five western states.
1037
00:54:40,194 --> 00:54:43,405
So, it's enriching itself
by grazing its livestock
1038
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:45,741
at taxpayer expense
on the front end,
1039
00:54:45,866 --> 00:54:48,327
and on the back end
it's being paid millions
1040
00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:52,414
by the BLM to hold onto
large numbers of wild horses
1041
00:54:52,539 --> 00:54:54,792
that have been removed
from our public lands
1042
00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:57,878
to clear the way for more
commercial livestock grazing.
1043
00:54:58,003 --> 00:54:59,963
And it should terrify
every single American
1044
00:55:00,088 --> 00:55:02,174
who cares about
wild horses and burros
1045
00:55:02,299 --> 00:55:05,010
that a food company
is being paid
1046
00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:08,347
to hold onto large numbers
of these wild horses and burros
1047
00:55:08,472 --> 00:55:10,432
that have been removed
from our public lands.
1048
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:15,729
[Yvette]
When you think about it,
1049
00:55:15,854 --> 00:55:18,941
you can barely buy
a single can of cat or dog food
1050
00:55:19,066 --> 00:55:21,485
for a dollar 35.
1051
00:55:21,610 --> 00:55:23,487
But big food corporations
1052
00:55:23,612 --> 00:55:25,906
were getting
these massive tax subsidies
1053
00:55:26,031 --> 00:55:28,951
to graze their cattle
on our public land
1054
00:55:29,076 --> 00:55:31,870
for a little over
a dollar a month,
1055
00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:34,748
when private ranchers
had to pay over 20
1056
00:55:34,873 --> 00:55:37,709
using their own land.
1057
00:55:37,835 --> 00:55:39,878
That didn't seem fair.
1058
00:55:40,003 --> 00:55:42,756
And wild horses were being
rounded up because of it.
1059
00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:47,177
In 2021,
we were about to experience
1060
00:55:47,302 --> 00:55:49,638
this corruption for ourselves.
1061
00:55:52,516 --> 00:55:56,520
[calm music]
1062
00:55:59,481 --> 00:56:03,443
The iconic horses
of Sand Wash Basin in Colorado
1063
00:56:03,569 --> 00:56:07,531
are known for the legendary
paint stallion, Picasso.
1064
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:15,581
This place, just like Onaqui,
had its own magic.
1065
00:56:20,127 --> 00:56:24,172
It was interesting to watch
the wild horse hierarchy...
1066
00:56:24,298 --> 00:56:26,842
as each family
waited their turn for water.
1067
00:56:29,595 --> 00:56:34,558
Often, the stallions would
scope it out first for safety.
1068
00:56:34,683 --> 00:56:37,477
And in some bands,
a lieutenant stallion
1069
00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:40,022
can be an extra set of eyes
over the family...
1070
00:56:41,648 --> 00:56:44,026
until the band stallion
returns.
1071
00:56:44,151 --> 00:56:49,156
♪
1072
00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:01,752
At Sand Wash Basin,
there were watering holes
1073
00:57:01,877 --> 00:57:04,212
that were filled naturally
by the elements.
1074
00:57:06,465 --> 00:57:08,634
And there were also
manmade troughs,
1075
00:57:08,759 --> 00:57:11,011
which local advocates
helped to maintain.
1076
00:57:17,184 --> 00:57:19,561
Right at sunset...
1077
00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:23,523
hundreds of horses
appeared before our eyes.
1078
00:57:39,957 --> 00:57:42,960
And then, almost as quickly
as they came...
1079
00:57:44,503 --> 00:57:45,754
they were gone.
1080
00:58:00,769 --> 00:58:04,272
It takes a lot of effort
and understanding
1081
00:58:04,398 --> 00:58:07,609
and decades of data
to understand
1082
00:58:07,734 --> 00:58:10,487
what the range condition
is like.
1083
00:58:10,612 --> 00:58:12,197
Just don't go out there
1084
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:14,282
looking for
the beautiful horses,
1085
00:58:14,408 --> 00:58:15,826
which they are very beautiful,
1086
00:58:15,951 --> 00:58:18,996
and understand
what's in the [indistinct].
1087
00:58:19,121 --> 00:58:22,082
Okay, but could you just
tell us the reasoning
1088
00:58:22,207 --> 00:58:23,875
behind the roundup at Sand Wash?
1089
00:58:24,001 --> 00:58:27,295
So, the way we manage horses
1090
00:58:27,421 --> 00:58:29,464
to be in harmony
with their habitat,
1091
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:32,092
so the habitat
and the horses are healthy,
1092
00:58:32,217 --> 00:58:34,052
is by managing the numbers.
1093
00:58:34,177 --> 00:58:37,180
Um, you know,
unlike other large grazers,
1094
00:58:37,305 --> 00:58:41,226
they're just kind of
more or less there all year.
1095
00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:45,397
Um, and so that means
that the numbers of animals,
1096
00:58:45,522 --> 00:58:49,067
the numbers of mouths
need to be appropriate
1097
00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:52,237
for what the landscape
is capable of producing.
1098
00:58:52,362 --> 00:58:53,989
So that's--
1099
00:58:54,114 --> 00:58:56,324
Let me jump in there and say,
"But why do we do it?"
1100
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:59,244
We do it because
we're required by law...
1101
00:58:59,369 --> 00:59:00,912
[Hunter] Mm-hmm.
1102
00:59:01,038 --> 00:59:02,914
...to manage for a thriving
ecological balance.
1103
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,791
How do you guys
feel about the fact
1104
00:59:04,916 --> 00:59:07,419
that the Governor has called
for a moratorium on this roundup
1105
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:08,879
to be evaluated
through more of a fact
1106
00:59:09,004 --> 00:59:10,255
and science-based lens?
1107
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:12,007
Uh, we appreciate
their interest,
1108
00:59:12,132 --> 00:59:14,509
and we're going to continue
to work with Colorado
1109
00:59:14,634 --> 00:59:16,845
to find creative solutions
to manage these horses
1110
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:18,472
in a healthy way
1111
00:59:18,597 --> 00:59:22,017
and also resulting
in a healthy landscape.
1112
00:59:22,142 --> 00:59:26,772
That's-- that's what we are
going to do moving forward.
1113
00:59:26,897 --> 00:59:30,067
[Yvette] How do you feel about
the Governor's position?
1114
00:59:30,192 --> 00:59:32,277
[Bruce] Again,
we appreciate their position,
1115
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:34,154
we appreciate them
wanting to work with us,
1116
00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:35,989
and we want to work with them.
1117
00:59:36,114 --> 00:59:38,784
And so we need to
by mandate, by law,
1118
00:59:38,909 --> 00:59:41,745
manage healthy horses
on healthy range lots.
1119
00:59:41,870 --> 00:59:43,371
[Yvette] Did they consult?
1120
00:59:43,497 --> 00:59:44,915
Because I know
the National Academy of Sciences
1121
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,709
in 2013, I believe,
stated that the AMLs
1122
00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:49,628
were not based
on fact or science.
1123
00:59:49,753 --> 00:59:52,047
So, they're saying--
they're saying there was a--
1124
00:59:52,172 --> 00:59:55,425
A considerable, uh,
production data collected
1125
00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:57,511
all across Sand Wash
in the '90s,
1126
00:59:57,636 --> 01:00:00,514
and that went into setting,
1127
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:02,265
uh, you know, for Sand Wash.
1128
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:04,309
But from the '90s,
into the year--
1129
01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:07,145
Into 2011, 2013, 2015,
1130
01:00:07,270 --> 01:00:09,272
obviously, there's a lot
going on with climate change
1131
01:00:09,397 --> 01:00:11,399
and why would data
that's that old--
1132
01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:15,362
The-- these range lands change,
but they change very slowly.
1133
01:00:15,487 --> 01:00:18,532
You don't wait till
the range land has collapsed,
1134
01:00:18,657 --> 01:00:20,742
and then you find
poor body condition,
1135
01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:22,619
you don't wait for that.
1136
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:24,412
So-- so,
you're rounding them up pro--
1137
01:00:24,538 --> 01:00:27,499
Before they can reach a point
of poor body condition?
1138
01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,501
The BLM's role legally,
1139
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:31,545
statutorily,
is to manage the habitat.
1140
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:33,547
That, you know, the-- the state,
1141
01:00:33,672 --> 01:00:36,091
uh, you know,
they manage the animals.
1142
01:00:36,216 --> 01:00:39,302
Um, except
for the horses, you know,
1143
01:00:39,427 --> 01:00:42,264
uh, like, say the horse
is the only thing BLM manages
1144
01:00:42,389 --> 01:00:44,099
that has a heartbeat.
1145
01:00:44,224 --> 01:00:46,560
Every-- every other critter
out here is either the state
1146
01:00:46,685 --> 01:00:50,939
or if it's listed,
it's Fish and Wildlife Service.
1147
01:00:51,064 --> 01:00:53,942
[Yvette] The BLM had announced
an emergency roundup
1148
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:57,737
to permanently remove
nearly 90% of the wild horses
1149
01:00:57,863 --> 01:00:59,656
of Sand Wash Basin.
1150
01:00:59,781 --> 01:01:01,575
This emergency status
1151
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,119
allowed them to move forward
with the roundup quickly
1152
01:01:04,244 --> 01:01:08,874
and didn't require the BLM
to assemble public comments.
1153
01:01:08,999 --> 01:01:10,792
They originally said
the roundup
1154
01:01:10,917 --> 01:01:13,962
was due to poor body conditions
of the horses and drought,
1155
01:01:14,087 --> 01:01:17,007
even though
the water holes were full.
1156
01:01:17,132 --> 01:01:21,011
But then the BLM's narrative
suddenly changed.
1157
01:01:21,136 --> 01:01:24,097
The BLM then said
they were removing the horses
1158
01:01:24,222 --> 01:01:27,350
because of negative impacts
to sage-grouse habitat
1159
01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,186
and for future starvation.
1160
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,272
They also ignored the requests
1161
01:01:32,397 --> 01:01:34,816
of Colorado Governor
Jared Potts,
1162
01:01:34,941 --> 01:01:38,486
Western Watersheds project,
and the Sierra Club
1163
01:01:38,612 --> 01:01:42,073
to halt the unnecessary roundup
of Sand Wash Basin.
1164
01:01:48,496 --> 01:01:50,165
-[Troy] Yeah.
-[man] Yeah.
1165
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:52,209
We are direct right in the--
1166
01:01:52,334 --> 01:01:55,253
-In line of the wings.
-[Chris] Sure.
1167
01:01:55,378 --> 01:01:56,755
-So, we need to go--
-[horse blusters]
1168
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,089
Just over
the other side of this, right?
1169
01:01:58,215 --> 01:01:59,925
-Yeah, I don't know.
-Okay.
1170
01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:02,010
I'm just gonna go down here
and see if I can find a hole
1171
01:02:02,135 --> 01:02:03,637
-to get to.
-All right, absolutely.
1172
01:02:03,762 --> 01:02:04,971
So, yeah, we'll just move
the vehicles down
1173
01:02:05,096 --> 01:02:06,473
a little farther.
1174
01:02:06,598 --> 01:02:07,974
Uh, you could leave
your equipment here
1175
01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:09,601
if you'd like,
just right off this area.
1176
01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:10,977
[Yvette] It's actually safer
to be near a tree,
1177
01:02:11,102 --> 01:02:12,354
if the wild horses come near us.
1178
01:02:12,479 --> 01:02:14,689
[Chris] Usually, [indistinct].
1179
01:02:14,814 --> 01:02:17,567
-[Yvette] It's safer.
-I'm not arguing with you.
1180
01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:19,402
We'll comply,
but I'm just letting you know
1181
01:02:19,527 --> 01:02:21,863
that God forbid
a wild herd ga--
1182
01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:23,615
Gallops over this mountain,
1183
01:02:23,740 --> 01:02:25,408
you're gonna want to scream
to everybody
1184
01:02:25,533 --> 01:02:27,118
to stand under this tree.
1185
01:02:27,244 --> 01:02:28,954
And I just-- I don't care
1186
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,122
whose side of the issue
you're on.
1187
01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:32,999
This-- this is safer.
1188
01:02:33,124 --> 01:02:35,710
What Cattoor wants is for us
to not get a clear line of sight
1189
01:02:35,835 --> 01:02:37,128
as to what's about to happen.
1190
01:02:37,254 --> 01:02:39,798
So, here we are
at Sand Wash Basin.
1191
01:02:39,923 --> 01:02:44,219
We were asked to move
from that tree to here.
1192
01:02:44,344 --> 01:02:47,722
So, that the horses apparently
can see us.
1193
01:02:47,847 --> 01:02:49,849
And apparently we're hiding
behind this mountain.
1194
01:02:51,059 --> 01:02:52,352
However, we cannot see
1195
01:02:52,477 --> 01:02:56,856
the helicopter operation
at this point.
1196
01:02:56,982 --> 01:02:59,693
[Yvette] From our vantage point
behind the hill,
1197
01:02:59,818 --> 01:03:04,155
we could barely see anything
the helicopter was doing...
1198
01:03:04,281 --> 01:03:06,616
until the horses were driven
into the trap site.
1199
01:03:08,952 --> 01:03:11,454
It was the first time
we had been this close to one.
1200
01:03:12,831 --> 01:03:14,916
And it was horrifying to see.
1201
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:21,131
Numerous horses
had sustained injuries.
1202
01:03:24,926 --> 01:03:26,511
[Chris] Actually, [indistinct]
they're putting up--
1203
01:03:26,636 --> 01:03:29,848
Hovering on the area
where the foals were running,
1204
01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:31,474
which indicates that,
in fact,
1205
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:35,020
the foals were
not in a good position earlier.
1206
01:03:35,145 --> 01:03:37,397
The paneling does--
the plastic fence,
1207
01:03:37,522 --> 01:03:39,649
it will prevent
the foals from--
1208
01:03:39,774 --> 01:03:42,277
And the horses from wanting
to run through the panel.
1209
01:03:42,402 --> 01:03:44,237
So, because they didn't have
that up earlier,
1210
01:03:44,362 --> 01:03:46,323
those three yearlings
were running around
1211
01:03:46,448 --> 01:03:48,700
and starting to test the pen.
1212
01:03:48,825 --> 01:03:50,535
So, the fact that
they're putting up now indicates
1213
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:52,579
that they weren't doing it
correctly earlier.
1214
01:03:52,704 --> 01:03:54,331
[Yvette] Interesting,
and that's when,
1215
01:03:54,456 --> 01:03:56,624
apparently, that one--
that one yearling got hurt,
1216
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:59,711
and his shoulder was bloody
or her shoulder was bloody.
1217
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:02,380
[Brian] Uh,
it seems to be, yeah.
1218
01:04:05,175 --> 01:04:06,676
[Yvette]
The Bureau of Land Management
1219
01:04:06,801 --> 01:04:09,429
made us wait
for almost two hours
1220
01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:11,931
before we were allowed
to approach the corrals.
1221
01:04:13,141 --> 01:04:14,851
Their reasoning was,
1222
01:04:14,976 --> 01:04:18,188
"People near the corrals
would upset the horses."
1223
01:04:19,814 --> 01:04:21,232
Apparently those rules
1224
01:04:21,358 --> 01:04:23,401
didn't apply
to roundup personnel.
1225
01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:28,073
It was cold,
and it was raining,
1226
01:04:28,198 --> 01:04:30,742
and it was almost like they
were trying to wait us out.
1227
01:04:30,867 --> 01:04:32,494
[man] Ah,
there's horse locations--
1228
01:04:32,619 --> 01:04:34,120
[Yvette] When we were finally
allowed closer
1229
01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:36,498
to the trap site...
1230
01:04:36,623 --> 01:04:38,583
that's when we saw
the injuries.
1231
01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:41,461
-[woman] [indistinct]?
-[man] Yep.
1232
01:04:41,586 --> 01:04:44,964
[woman] So, when do you think...
[muffled speech]
1233
01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:47,926
[Yvette] But as hard
as all this was to see
1234
01:04:48,051 --> 01:04:51,429
people kept on coming
to support the horses
1235
01:04:51,554 --> 01:04:55,892
and to hold the Bureau
of Land Management accountable.
1236
01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:59,396
We found it
exceedingly bizarre...
1237
01:04:59,521 --> 01:05:03,274
that Dave and Sue Cattoor
showed up to watch
1238
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,821
as the horses of Sand
Wash Basin lost their freedom.
1239
01:05:07,946 --> 01:05:09,739
I'm Steve Leonard,
1240
01:05:09,864 --> 01:05:11,908
I'm the Wild Horse and Burro
Lead for the state of Colorado.
1241
01:05:12,033 --> 01:05:14,869
Roughly we're at 896 horses
1242
01:05:14,994 --> 01:05:18,373
between inside the HMA
and outside the HMA.
1243
01:05:18,498 --> 01:05:20,875
And we're trying to reduce
that population down
1244
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,545
to the low AML of 163.
1245
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:25,213
So, this is an emergency gather.
1246
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:27,090
Um, we're conducting this
1247
01:05:27,215 --> 01:05:28,925
because of the lack of forage
and water for these horses.
1248
01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:32,595
Um, and so our objective here
is to reduce the herd to,
1249
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,222
um, the appropriate
national levels.
1250
01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:35,932
[Yvette] The reasoning
seems to have changed
1251
01:05:36,057 --> 01:05:37,851
from an emergency roundup
due to drought,
1252
01:05:37,976 --> 01:05:39,811
and because
they were in poor body condition
1253
01:05:39,936 --> 01:05:41,479
to identifying that
1254
01:05:41,604 --> 01:05:43,440
they're not going to have
enough winter forage,
1255
01:05:43,565 --> 01:05:45,567
and there's something to do
with sage-grouse now,
1256
01:05:45,692 --> 01:05:47,735
that was-- didn't seem like
it was part of the conversation
1257
01:05:47,861 --> 01:05:49,362
until recently.
1258
01:05:49,487 --> 01:05:51,239
Well, um, so we always
take into consideration
1259
01:05:51,364 --> 01:05:53,408
the needs of all the users
on public lands when we're--
1260
01:05:53,533 --> 01:05:54,868
When we're managing
wild horses and burros,
1261
01:05:54,993 --> 01:05:56,411
so that includes wildlife.
1262
01:05:56,536 --> 01:05:58,079
Um, so the sage-grouse
were always gonna be
1263
01:05:58,204 --> 01:06:01,749
part of this decision
to manage this herd.
1264
01:06:01,875 --> 01:06:05,128
[Yvette] Didn't the range land
specialist just state
1265
01:06:05,253 --> 01:06:06,880
that the Bureau
of Land Management
1266
01:06:07,005 --> 01:06:09,174
only manages wild horses?
1267
01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:13,511
That every other critter
falls outside of their purview?
1268
01:06:13,636 --> 01:06:16,473
Why were they suddenly
trying to scapegoat wild horses
1269
01:06:16,598 --> 01:06:19,017
for negative effects
to sage-grouse?
1270
01:06:19,142 --> 01:06:21,394
I'm Megan Crawford,
I'm part of the SWAT team
1271
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,146
here in the Sand Wash,
1272
01:06:23,271 --> 01:06:27,650
and I worked for the BLM
the season of 2016
1273
01:06:27,775 --> 01:06:30,195
doing, uh, sage-grouse surveys
1274
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,990
and with the emergency gather,
it's honestly kind of a cop-out.
1275
01:06:34,115 --> 01:06:36,075
They don't have to do
an environmental assessment,
1276
01:06:36,201 --> 01:06:38,244
they don't have to, uh,
1277
01:06:38,369 --> 01:06:40,205
have a public scoping
comment period,
1278
01:06:40,330 --> 01:06:43,708
they-- they basically
can say we are doing this,
1279
01:06:43,833 --> 01:06:45,335
these are the numbers
we're gonna take,
1280
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:47,712
this is the amount of horses
we're gonna leave,
1281
01:06:47,837 --> 01:06:50,048
and it kind of takes
1282
01:06:50,173 --> 01:06:53,635
all of the accountability
out of the system
1283
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,096
because it's sort of
just a standing order,
1284
01:06:57,222 --> 01:06:59,557
and we're all just
supposed to bend to it.
1285
01:06:59,682 --> 01:07:02,727
And how they can say
it's solely the wild horses
1286
01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:04,187
that are the reason
1287
01:07:04,312 --> 01:07:07,982
that the sage-grouse
are not rebounding
1288
01:07:08,107 --> 01:07:09,859
seems a little bit absurd to me.
1289
01:07:09,984 --> 01:07:12,612
I'm not sure the exact number
of sheep that are out here,
1290
01:07:12,737 --> 01:07:15,406
but having
that many sheep compared
1291
01:07:15,532 --> 01:07:18,785
to the amount of horses, I--
I think it's a cop-out to say
1292
01:07:18,910 --> 01:07:21,162
that it's the wild horses
that are degrading the land.
1293
01:07:21,287 --> 01:07:23,581
[Yvette]
Did any of your beliefs change
1294
01:07:23,706 --> 01:07:26,209
in how things were conducted?
1295
01:07:26,334 --> 01:07:28,294
Honestly,
I was a little surprised
1296
01:07:28,419 --> 01:07:32,590
about the brashness
of the BLM side.
1297
01:07:32,715 --> 01:07:34,217
I don't think
that they really care
1298
01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:35,760
for the horses out here.
1299
01:07:35,885 --> 01:07:37,887
You know,
even what they would say,
1300
01:07:38,012 --> 01:07:39,639
the advocates were,
1301
01:07:39,764 --> 01:07:42,225
which they kind of used
as a bad word around there.
1302
01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:44,769
[Yvette] One of the advocates
on the ground pointed out
1303
01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:47,438
that there were babies
only a day old
1304
01:07:47,564 --> 01:07:50,358
being chased
by the low flying helicopters.
1305
01:07:50,483 --> 01:07:52,986
Though the BLM
continues to define
1306
01:07:53,111 --> 01:07:55,238
helicopter roundups as humane.
1307
01:07:57,323 --> 01:07:59,492
Something else
we found suspicious that day
1308
01:07:59,617 --> 01:08:01,953
was the Cattoor helicopter.
1309
01:08:02,078 --> 01:08:05,290
Our camera operator,
Jerry, was also a pilot
1310
01:08:05,415 --> 01:08:08,293
and he pointed out that while
there was a United Flight,
1311
01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,128
30,000 feet above us,
1312
01:08:10,253 --> 01:08:13,047
we could not track
the Cattoor helicopter.
1313
01:08:13,172 --> 01:08:14,674
The potential accusation
1314
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,968
was that they had blocked
their ADS-B,
1315
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:21,097
which the FAA said a contractor
can do upon request
1316
01:08:21,222 --> 01:08:24,559
but can be dangerous given
other aircrafts in the area.
1317
01:08:24,684 --> 01:08:27,478
That, or the signal simply
wasn't being picked up on
1318
01:08:27,604 --> 01:08:29,063
because of the terrain.
1319
01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:30,607
What we found suspicious
1320
01:08:30,732 --> 01:08:33,568
was that the BLM
repeatedly refused
1321
01:08:33,693 --> 01:08:35,570
to answer any of our questions
1322
01:08:35,695 --> 01:08:39,115
about why the helicopter
had vanished.
1323
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,909
So, there was ultimately
no way for us to track
1324
01:08:42,035 --> 01:08:46,331
how many grueling miles
they were running these horses.
1325
01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:49,167
Uh, the total contract cost
for this
1326
01:08:49,292 --> 01:08:50,835
is just under 300,000.
1327
01:08:55,256 --> 01:08:56,924
That doesn't include
holding, no.
1328
01:09:02,263 --> 01:09:06,059
[Yvette] With the target
of 733 horses to capture
1329
01:09:06,184 --> 01:09:08,645
the approximate cost
to taxpayers
1330
01:09:08,770 --> 01:09:12,732
to warehouse all of those
horses for the rest of their lives
1331
01:09:12,857 --> 01:09:16,486
was over $36 million.
1332
01:09:16,611 --> 01:09:18,863
Thankfully,
due to an intervention
1333
01:09:18,988 --> 01:09:22,533
by Governor Jared Potts
and Congressman Joe Neguse,
1334
01:09:22,659 --> 01:09:24,369
the roundup ended early
1335
01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:27,580
and the total captured was 479.
1336
01:09:29,332 --> 01:09:30,833
[Yvette] This is how narrow
this stuff is.
1337
01:09:30,958 --> 01:09:34,962
[melancholic music]
1338
01:09:37,131 --> 01:09:39,175
These horses are in this.
1339
01:09:41,302 --> 01:09:43,137
[Yvette] They were sent
to a holding facility
1340
01:09:43,262 --> 01:09:47,100
at Canyon City Federal Prison
where only months later,
1341
01:09:47,225 --> 01:09:50,770
when 145 horses
mysteriously died.
1342
01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:55,942
Only two months
after the wild horses
1343
01:09:56,067 --> 01:09:57,527
of Sand Wash Basin
1344
01:09:57,652 --> 01:10:00,238
were almost
completely eradicated,
1345
01:10:00,363 --> 01:10:04,617
thousands of sheep
were spotted in the basin.
1346
01:10:04,742 --> 01:10:06,703
[protestors] [chanting]
Stop the choppers.
1347
01:10:06,828 --> 01:10:10,415
Stop the choppers.
Stop the choppers.
1348
01:10:10,540 --> 01:10:14,085
Stop the choppers.
Stop the choppers.
1349
01:10:14,210 --> 01:10:17,422
Stop the choppers,
stop the cho--
1350
01:10:17,547 --> 01:10:19,465
Yesterday,
the Bureau of Land Management
1351
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:21,801
issued a media statement
1352
01:10:21,926 --> 01:10:24,303
that said
this roundup is gonna happen.
1353
01:10:24,429 --> 01:10:25,972
It was a--
1354
01:10:26,097 --> 01:10:29,934
An absolute disregard
of the thousands of people
1355
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:33,187
across the country
and across the world
1356
01:10:33,312 --> 01:10:36,065
who have called the BLM
and said,
1357
01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:39,026
"Please,
please stop this roundup."
1358
01:10:39,152 --> 01:10:41,320
My name is Erik Molvar,
1359
01:10:41,446 --> 01:10:44,407
and I'm the Executive Director
of Western Watersheds Project.
1360
01:10:44,532 --> 01:10:46,242
My name is Deniz Bolbol,
1361
01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:48,870
I'm with the Cloud Foundation,
I'm the Advocacy Director.
1362
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:50,455
Hello, everyone,
I'm Marty Irby here,
1363
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:52,457
Executive Director
of Animal Wellness Action
1364
01:10:52,582 --> 01:10:54,667
and chief lobbyist
in Washington DC.
1365
01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,586
I really appreciate
everyone turning out today
1366
01:10:56,711 --> 01:10:58,087
to support the Onaqui horses,
1367
01:10:58,212 --> 01:10:59,881
my name is Ashley Avis,
I'm a filmmaker.
1368
01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:02,884
-[protestors cheering]
-Now I've been out to Onaqui.
1369
01:11:03,009 --> 01:11:07,305
And the BLM says
that 474 wild horses
1370
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:10,266
are too many for the range.
1371
01:11:10,391 --> 01:11:13,019
Livestock industry
coined a term for that.
1372
01:11:13,144 --> 01:11:17,106
-Bullshit.
-[protestors cheering]
1373
01:11:17,231 --> 01:11:19,358
Now,
the Bureau of Land Management
1374
01:11:19,484 --> 01:11:22,904
has authorized almost
20,000 animal unit months
1375
01:11:23,029 --> 01:11:25,031
of cattle and sheep
grazing on Onaqui.
1376
01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:28,743
On a wild horse
Herd Management Area
1377
01:11:28,868 --> 01:11:31,621
where they have
a congressional responsibility
1378
01:11:31,746 --> 01:11:33,790
-to conserve the wild horses.
-[protestor] Exactly. Exactly.
1379
01:11:34,957 --> 01:11:37,668
This kind of injustice
1380
01:11:37,794 --> 01:11:40,213
is happening
all around the country.
1381
01:11:40,338 --> 01:11:44,967
It's not about a thriving,
natural ecological balance.
1382
01:11:45,092 --> 01:11:47,720
The BLM is creating a problem
1383
01:11:47,845 --> 01:11:51,682
with cattle and sheep
degrading the range.
1384
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,602
And then, instead of addressing
the cause of the problem,
1385
01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:56,604
they're blaming
the convenient scapegoat,
1386
01:11:56,729 --> 01:11:57,939
the wild horse.
1387
01:11:58,064 --> 01:11:59,774
So they can keep on overgrazing
1388
01:11:59,899 --> 01:12:02,527
with as many cattle
and sheep as they always have
1389
01:12:02,652 --> 01:12:05,154
without
the American public noticing.
1390
01:12:05,279 --> 01:12:07,198
Well, guess what, the public
is starting to notice.
1391
01:12:07,323 --> 01:12:09,992
-[protestor] Yes!
-[protestors cheering]
1392
01:12:10,117 --> 01:12:12,078
Earlier this year,
we sent a letter,
1393
01:12:12,203 --> 01:12:15,706
I think it was 70 or so groups,
to Secretary Deb Haaland
1394
01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:18,960
asking her to put a moratorium
on the grazing permits
1395
01:12:19,085 --> 01:12:21,087
for these cattle and sheep
that they're bringing in.
1396
01:12:21,212 --> 01:12:22,672
We didn't get a response.
1397
01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:24,340
We're asking you,
Mr. President,
1398
01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:26,926
please stop the roundups.
1399
01:12:27,051 --> 01:12:29,011
Everyone here
has an opportunity
1400
01:12:29,136 --> 01:12:31,097
to let the president know
how you feel.
1401
01:12:31,222 --> 01:12:35,434
Call 202-456-1111,
1402
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,437
202-456-1111.
1403
01:12:38,563 --> 01:12:41,148
And let's light up
the White House switchboard.
1404
01:12:41,274 --> 01:12:42,817
-[protestors cheering]
-Let's light it up.
1405
01:12:42,942 --> 01:12:45,486
It's time to call the President.
This has to stop.
1406
01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:48,281
This is a government agency
that is broken.
1407
01:12:48,406 --> 01:12:51,409
It's not just sickened,
in need of reform,
1408
01:12:51,534 --> 01:12:54,036
it is broken,
in need of a complete overhaul.
1409
01:12:54,161 --> 01:12:56,414
We do need
leadership from above.
1410
01:12:56,539 --> 01:12:58,165
We need adult supervision
1411
01:12:58,291 --> 01:12:59,625
for the agency bureaucrats
1412
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:01,335
who have been making
the same mistakes,
1413
01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:03,462
-year after year after year.
-[protestors cheering]
1414
01:13:03,588 --> 01:13:05,464
I think it's so important
1415
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:07,758
that not only
the people standing here
1416
01:13:07,884 --> 01:13:09,844
but the children
in our country
1417
01:13:09,969 --> 01:13:11,554
stand up
and raise their voices
1418
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:13,556
because they too
can make a change.
1419
01:13:13,681 --> 01:13:16,767
I'd like to read two letters
from two ten-year-olds,
1420
01:13:16,893 --> 01:13:19,186
part of a Girl Scout troop.
1421
01:13:19,312 --> 01:13:20,605
Dear President Biden.
1422
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:23,316
Dear Interior Secretary
Deb Haaland.
1423
01:13:23,441 --> 01:13:25,568
And dear honorable members
of Congress.
1424
01:13:25,693 --> 01:13:27,486
"I'm writing
to ask you to make laws
1425
01:13:27,612 --> 01:13:29,614
to help protect
the wild Mustang herds."
1426
01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:31,699
"If you were a horse
and you were rounded up
1427
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:34,994
in a tiny pen and slaughtered,
how would that make you feel?
1428
01:13:35,119 --> 01:13:36,871
Scared.
1429
01:13:36,996 --> 01:13:39,040
That is how these horses feel,
and that is sad and wrong."
1430
01:13:39,165 --> 01:13:42,001
"Roundups of herds
like the Onaqui must be stopped.
1431
01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:43,544
The facts have shown
1432
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:45,421
that these horses just end up
in kill pens
1433
01:13:45,546 --> 01:13:47,715
bound for a life of pain
and suffering."
1434
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,383
"These majestic creatures
1435
01:13:49,508 --> 01:13:51,552
are caught in the system
of ranching monopolies,
1436
01:13:51,677 --> 01:13:53,971
encouraged
by government enablement
1437
01:13:54,096 --> 01:13:55,640
and distortion of the truth."
1438
01:13:55,765 --> 01:13:57,099
"President Biden,
1439
01:13:57,224 --> 01:13:59,185
please stop
the wild Onaqui roundups.
1440
01:13:59,310 --> 01:14:01,187
There are babies
and elderly horses
1441
01:14:01,312 --> 01:14:04,315
out on the range who will
not survive the helicopters.
1442
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,442
You are the voice
that can stop this."
1443
01:14:06,567 --> 01:14:08,569
"Please help the Onaqui
stay where they belong."
1444
01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:11,530
"These horses
represent the story of America."
1445
01:14:11,656 --> 01:14:13,574
"What will you do
for the generations to come?"
1446
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:16,452
"Have the courage
to see beyond profit,
1447
01:14:16,577 --> 01:14:20,873
and take a serious look
at America's long term values."
1448
01:14:20,998 --> 01:14:24,669
I'm Jocelyn, I'm ten years old,
and I stand with wild horses.
1449
01:14:24,794 --> 01:14:26,295
I stand with wild horses.
1450
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:27,838
I stand with wild horses.
1451
01:14:27,964 --> 01:14:30,341
Hopeful and determined,
Jocelyn.
1452
01:14:37,223 --> 01:14:41,227
[emotional music]
1453
01:14:43,980 --> 01:14:47,233
[Yvette] After the rally
to save the Onaqui...
1454
01:14:47,358 --> 01:14:49,527
going out to the range
was cleansing.
1455
01:14:53,447 --> 01:14:55,533
All of our favorite families
were there.
1456
01:14:57,284 --> 01:14:59,328
The chestnut foal
Sun Catcher.
1457
01:15:01,247 --> 01:15:02,873
The powerful Stargazer.
1458
01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:06,627
The bay roan.
1459
01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:10,923
Norman and the three amigos.
1460
01:15:11,048 --> 01:15:16,220
♪
1461
01:15:24,729 --> 01:15:27,440
[horse neighs]
1462
01:15:27,565 --> 01:15:30,317
It was as if they were
putting on a show for us.
1463
01:15:31,694 --> 01:15:33,821
[horse neighs]
1464
01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:38,200
Never had we been so close.
1465
01:15:39,368 --> 01:15:41,287
[horse neighs]
1466
01:15:43,831 --> 01:15:46,250
Stargazer was in full form,
1467
01:15:46,375 --> 01:15:48,002
battling
several of the stallions
1468
01:15:48,127 --> 01:15:50,171
right before our eyes.
1469
01:15:50,296 --> 01:15:54,175
[horses neigh]
1470
01:15:59,764 --> 01:16:04,602
A young stallion
sailed before us...
1471
01:16:04,727 --> 01:16:09,190
as he courted the affections
of his very first mare.
1472
01:16:17,364 --> 01:16:19,992
It was a harmony
only nature could know.
1473
01:16:23,245 --> 01:16:27,249
And we were given this
quiet glimpse into all of it.
1474
01:16:29,752 --> 01:16:32,379
And then...
1475
01:16:32,505 --> 01:16:35,674
the one horse
we'd hoped to see for years...
1476
01:16:37,551 --> 01:16:40,638
the legendary Old Man...
1477
01:16:40,763 --> 01:16:44,225
seemed to materialize
out of the mountains.
1478
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:49,355
♪
1479
01:17:16,423 --> 01:17:18,884
He walked beside us...
1480
01:17:19,009 --> 01:17:21,929
and stayed with us
until sunset...
1481
01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:25,182
when he was called home.
1482
01:17:25,307 --> 01:17:30,312
♪
1483
01:17:48,539 --> 01:17:53,586
And that night, we were given
the spectacular gift...
1484
01:17:53,711 --> 01:17:58,716
of hundreds of Onaqui horses
galloping to water...
1485
01:17:58,841 --> 01:18:00,801
like ghosts of the desert.
1486
01:18:05,764 --> 01:18:07,933
Well, uh, thank you everybody
for being here,
1487
01:18:08,058 --> 01:18:11,020
my name is Gus Warr,
I'm the BLM Wild Horse and Burro
1488
01:18:11,145 --> 01:18:13,022
Program Manager for Utah,
1489
01:18:13,147 --> 01:18:16,150
and I'll be the incident
commander on this gather.
1490
01:18:16,275 --> 01:18:19,320
Um, been a lot of publicity,
1491
01:18:19,445 --> 01:18:22,156
a lot of things associated
with-- with this gather.
1492
01:18:22,281 --> 01:18:24,825
Uh, we did have a litigation
case we were working through,
1493
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:27,536
and we wanted
to allow Judge Moss
1494
01:18:27,661 --> 01:18:30,664
to make his ruling
without overstepping our bounds
1495
01:18:30,789 --> 01:18:32,124
and not doing something
we shouldn't,
1496
01:18:32,249 --> 01:18:33,876
and we did get a ruling
1497
01:18:34,001 --> 01:18:35,711
which gave us the green light
to be out here today.
1498
01:18:35,836 --> 01:18:37,421
This is Lisa Reid,
1499
01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:40,299
she's our lead
public affairs person out here
1500
01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:42,676
on this gather and, uh,
1501
01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:45,638
you're gonna hear her, uh,
what I call barking orders.
1502
01:18:45,763 --> 01:18:48,224
She's in charge of all of you.
1503
01:18:48,349 --> 01:18:51,185
I'm in charge
of everything out here,
1504
01:18:51,310 --> 01:18:54,772
meaning we got
an operations person over here,
1505
01:18:54,897 --> 01:18:56,232
we've got
a law enforcement branch,
1506
01:18:56,357 --> 01:18:57,775
we've got a public affairs
1507
01:18:57,900 --> 01:18:59,568
and so I'm trying
to keep it all in check,
1508
01:18:59,693 --> 01:19:02,696
but she's-- she's kind of trying
to corral the people.
1509
01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:04,406
[officer] You'll see us around,
1510
01:19:04,531 --> 01:19:06,325
we're gonna be scattered
throughout the operation,
1511
01:19:06,450 --> 01:19:08,827
and, uh, we're here for safety,
and we're gonna hope to prevent
1512
01:19:08,953 --> 01:19:10,663
any interference
with the operation.
1513
01:19:10,788 --> 01:19:13,749
Because if we start interfering
with gather operations,
1514
01:19:13,874 --> 01:19:16,460
then unfortunately,
we have to move further back,
1515
01:19:16,585 --> 01:19:20,506
further away or-- or, you know,
if worse comes to worse,
1516
01:19:20,631 --> 01:19:22,967
we may have to ask somebody
that's not cooperating
1517
01:19:23,092 --> 01:19:25,302
for law enforcement
to escort them out of the site.
1518
01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:28,013
It's a hike
but it's-- it's the best--
1519
01:19:28,138 --> 01:19:29,640
It's the best viewing
you're gonna get.
1520
01:19:30,808 --> 01:19:33,185
[emotional music]
1521
01:19:33,310 --> 01:19:35,187
[Yvette panting]
1522
01:19:39,024 --> 01:19:40,693
[Yvette]
We were no longer shocked
1523
01:19:40,818 --> 01:19:43,153
that the Onaqui roundup
was justified
1524
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:45,906
much like the rest.
1525
01:19:46,031 --> 01:19:48,909
When an organization
called "Friends of Animals"
1526
01:19:49,034 --> 01:19:50,911
filed a lawsuit to stop it,
1527
01:19:51,036 --> 01:19:55,291
the BLM field manager
for Utah testified under oath
1528
01:19:55,416 --> 01:19:58,043
that the horses
were in poor body condition
1529
01:19:58,168 --> 01:20:00,087
due to being overpopulated
1530
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:02,631
and needed to be rounded up
for their own good
1531
01:20:02,756 --> 01:20:05,634
to prevent future starvation.
1532
01:20:05,759 --> 01:20:10,347
This ended up being false, even
by the BLM's own admission.
1533
01:20:10,472 --> 01:20:12,182
And three days
into the roundup,
1534
01:20:12,308 --> 01:20:15,185
the agency announced
that most of the horses
1535
01:20:15,311 --> 01:20:17,730
were in good shape after all.
1536
01:20:17,855 --> 01:20:19,565
But instead of pulling back
1537
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:22,901
or releasing
the healthy horses...
1538
01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:24,987
they simply changed
the justification
1539
01:20:25,112 --> 01:20:27,114
for the roundup to drought.
1540
01:20:32,786 --> 01:20:36,123
We, along with
tens of thousands of people
1541
01:20:36,248 --> 01:20:39,752
and advocacy groups
across the world...
1542
01:20:39,877 --> 01:20:43,714
tried everything we could
to stop the roundup of Onaqui.
1543
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:48,844
♪
1544
01:20:53,140 --> 01:20:57,227
The night before it happened,
as they walked away...
1545
01:20:57,353 --> 01:20:59,104
it was like a funeral march.
1546
01:21:00,314 --> 01:21:02,191
It was as if they knew.
1547
01:21:10,449 --> 01:21:14,161
On the first day,
the helicopter kept a distance,
1548
01:21:14,286 --> 01:21:16,538
and only 14 horses
were captured.
1549
01:21:18,415 --> 01:21:20,125
None of the families
that we knew
1550
01:21:20,250 --> 01:21:22,628
lived in this remote area.
1551
01:21:22,753 --> 01:21:26,340
So, we were shocked
to see Old Man there
1552
01:21:26,465 --> 01:21:28,092
as if he were bearing witness.
1553
01:21:30,594 --> 01:21:32,888
The Associated Press showed up
1554
01:21:33,013 --> 01:21:36,809
along with advocates
and other media.
1555
01:21:36,934 --> 01:21:40,521
But we were surprised
at how few people turned out.
1556
01:21:40,646 --> 01:21:42,481
I think the BLM was too,
1557
01:21:42,606 --> 01:21:44,316
because in the days
that followed,
1558
01:21:44,441 --> 01:21:47,903
the roundup became
significantly more aggressive.
1559
01:21:53,325 --> 01:21:56,995
[Yvette] Sweetheart, run.
1560
01:21:57,121 --> 01:21:58,831
So, the question was,
"Why can't we see the traps?"
1561
01:21:58,956 --> 01:22:00,874
They're over here,
we looked at the viewing area,
1562
01:22:00,999 --> 01:22:02,668
and all you could see
is the corrals.
1563
01:22:02,793 --> 01:22:05,254
You couldn't see
the gather area out here.
1564
01:22:05,379 --> 01:22:06,588
[Yvette] Can we go up
on that ridge,
1565
01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:08,298
like we did yesterday?
1566
01:22:08,424 --> 01:22:09,842
We were able to climb
the mountain to look down--
1567
01:22:09,967 --> 01:22:11,051
No, we-- we've
selected a viewing site,
1568
01:22:11,176 --> 01:22:12,511
we've alerted the contractor,
1569
01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:13,887
we've alerted
the helicopter pilot,
1570
01:22:14,012 --> 01:22:15,431
it's going to be
right out here.
1571
01:22:15,556 --> 01:22:17,057
That's where
we're going to be viewing from.
1572
01:22:17,182 --> 01:22:18,934
Unfortunately, we cannot
see the trap site today,
1573
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:20,310
and there's plenty of space
1574
01:22:20,436 --> 01:22:22,187
to allow us
a clear line of sight,
1575
01:22:22,312 --> 01:22:24,231
but there are a lot more horses
that are being rounded up,
1576
01:22:24,356 --> 01:22:27,901
so that can lead to a lot more
injury in that area.
1577
01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:29,528
It's just--
it's really disappointing
1578
01:22:29,653 --> 01:22:32,614
that our observation rights
are being denied.
1579
01:22:32,739 --> 01:22:35,659
But I'm not surprised.
1580
01:22:35,784 --> 01:22:38,287
[Yvette] What was heartbreaking
about that morning
1581
01:22:38,412 --> 01:22:39,872
was when we arrived,
1582
01:22:39,997 --> 01:22:43,125
dozens of Onaqui horses
were grazing
1583
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:44,877
right near the trap site.
1584
01:22:48,547 --> 01:22:51,175
Stargazer sounded the alarm
1585
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:53,051
before it even happened
1586
01:22:53,177 --> 01:22:55,971
and tried to move his family
over the mountain
1587
01:22:56,096 --> 01:22:59,433
before taking the lead
to try to guide them to safety.
1588
01:23:00,601 --> 01:23:01,852
But he was too late.
1589
01:23:11,236 --> 01:23:14,031
The horses were driven
back and forth
1590
01:23:14,156 --> 01:23:15,491
as the helicopter looped.
1591
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:21,872
It was horrifying to see.
1592
01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:26,752
♪
1593
01:23:29,505 --> 01:23:31,381
[Yvette] Oh, my gosh.
1594
01:23:31,507 --> 01:23:32,925
It's going in really fast.
1595
01:23:37,012 --> 01:23:40,057
[Yvette] The helicopter flew
so low to the horses
1596
01:23:40,182 --> 01:23:43,143
we were terrified
there would be a collision.
1597
01:23:43,268 --> 01:23:44,520
[Yvette] Oh, my God.
1598
01:23:46,605 --> 01:23:48,190
Guys,
you've got to be kidding me.
1599
01:23:51,735 --> 01:23:54,780
[Yvette] This was the worst
roundup we had ever been to.
1600
01:23:54,905 --> 01:23:57,032
And it was personal...
1601
01:23:57,157 --> 01:23:59,076
as we watched
our families stampeded.
1602
01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:05,499
The young foal
we called Sun Catcher...
1603
01:24:05,624 --> 01:24:08,502
The bay roans, perlino mares
1604
01:24:08,627 --> 01:24:11,672
and even Stargazer
and his family...
1605
01:24:11,797 --> 01:24:13,966
were among those
caught in the melee.
1606
01:24:18,345 --> 01:24:20,597
We felt like
we were being held captive,
1607
01:24:20,722 --> 01:24:22,391
stuck on top of the mountain...
1608
01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:26,228
unable to help them...
1609
01:24:26,353 --> 01:24:29,481
as the Onaqui disappeared
into a cloud of dust.
1610
01:24:31,650 --> 01:24:33,527
We felt like
we had failed them.
1611
01:24:37,364 --> 01:24:39,575
The bay roan
managed to escape.
1612
01:24:41,285 --> 01:24:43,620
But he didn't run away.
1613
01:24:43,745 --> 01:24:45,789
He went back for his family
1614
01:24:45,914 --> 01:24:49,126
and circled the trap site
crying for them.
1615
01:24:52,004 --> 01:24:53,463
No,
he's going in, he's going in.
1616
01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:56,925
[Yvette] As journalists,
1617
01:24:57,050 --> 01:24:59,720
it is our constitutional right
to observe.
1618
01:24:59,845 --> 01:25:02,848
But the BLM did not allow us
to see what they were doing
1619
01:25:02,973 --> 01:25:04,641
behind the mountain.
1620
01:25:04,766 --> 01:25:07,853
Unlike Sand Wash Basin,
we had no vantage point
1621
01:25:07,978 --> 01:25:10,188
to document
any of the injuries
1622
01:25:10,314 --> 01:25:12,941
or potential deaths
of these horses.
1623
01:25:13,066 --> 01:25:14,484
Were any horses
injured yesterday?
1624
01:25:14,610 --> 01:25:15,902
[woman] None.
1625
01:25:16,028 --> 01:25:17,529
[Yvette]
And who is the organization
1626
01:25:17,654 --> 01:25:19,197
-down there right now?
-Wild Horses of America.
1627
01:25:19,323 --> 01:25:20,782
And so why would you give
preferential treatment
1628
01:25:20,907 --> 01:25:22,242
-to an organization?
-[woman] There is no
1629
01:25:22,367 --> 01:25:23,827
preferential treatment,
only the fact
1630
01:25:23,952 --> 01:25:26,455
that they are part
of our dart team program.
1631
01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:28,206
That's clearly
preferential treatment,
1632
01:25:28,332 --> 01:25:31,251
when we want to document
what is going on down there,
1633
01:25:31,376 --> 01:25:33,086
and you're denying us
our right to observe.
1634
01:25:33,211 --> 01:25:35,797
There is nothing--
there is nothing obstructive
1635
01:25:35,922 --> 01:25:39,760
about us putting our camera
on a ridge just like yesterday
1636
01:25:39,885 --> 01:25:42,638
when there were
far fewer horses.
1637
01:25:42,763 --> 01:25:44,097
We're not--
we're not obstructing anything.
1638
01:25:44,222 --> 01:25:45,557
And we had looked
at other locations,
1639
01:25:45,682 --> 01:25:47,184
in fact, we were over
a mile and a half
1640
01:25:47,309 --> 01:25:48,935
to where we can get
straight on,
1641
01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:51,480
but we felt like this was closer
and you could see more
1642
01:25:51,605 --> 01:25:53,482
and get better identification
of the horses.
1643
01:25:53,607 --> 01:25:55,776
[Yvette] Can we go see
the holding facility
1644
01:25:55,901 --> 01:25:57,319
or the, uh, the corrals now?
1645
01:25:57,444 --> 01:25:58,987
We'd like to go
up on that ridge,
1646
01:25:59,112 --> 01:26:00,864
it's a similar distance
that we hiked yesterday.
1647
01:26:00,989 --> 01:26:02,783
So, we already talked about
you could go over here and look,
1648
01:26:02,908 --> 01:26:04,284
you can't see
the holding facility,
1649
01:26:04,409 --> 01:26:05,744
and no, you can't go
down there because--
1650
01:26:05,869 --> 01:26:07,746
[Yvette]
We don't need to go down there,
1651
01:26:07,871 --> 01:26:09,498
we've got 1 000 millimeter lens,
we could go over to that ridge,
1652
01:26:09,623 --> 01:26:11,166
which is actually
kind of shorter
1653
01:26:11,291 --> 01:26:12,501
than we hiked yesterday
and we're allowed to do.
1654
01:26:12,626 --> 01:26:14,169
We'd like to get a clear shot.
1655
01:26:14,294 --> 01:26:15,796
I think you should go over here
and look and--
1656
01:26:15,921 --> 01:26:17,172
Because you don't believe us,
go over here--
1657
01:26:17,297 --> 01:26:18,173
I don't know
where the individual
1658
01:26:18,298 --> 01:26:19,716
that went over there.
1659
01:26:19,841 --> 01:26:20,926
[Yvette] I mean,
you've scouted this area,
1660
01:26:21,051 --> 01:26:22,511
you mentioned that this morning.
1661
01:26:22,636 --> 01:26:24,054
Can we get a clear shot
of the trap-- from--
1662
01:26:24,179 --> 01:26:25,472
-Of the trap site from there?
-You can't,
1663
01:26:25,597 --> 01:26:27,099
you can't,
that's why I'm saying--
1664
01:26:27,224 --> 01:26:28,558
[Yvette] So, why would you
send us over there?
1665
01:26:28,684 --> 01:26:29,976
Because
that's where you asked to go.
1666
01:26:30,102 --> 01:26:31,103
[Yvette] I asked to go
on this ridge
1667
01:26:31,228 --> 01:26:32,979
to go see the trap site.
1668
01:26:33,105 --> 01:26:34,690
Yeah, you're not going to
be able to see that down there,
1669
01:26:34,815 --> 01:26:36,108
and, you know, we have to keep
people controlled.
1670
01:26:36,233 --> 01:26:37,567
[Yvette]
We can see it down there.
1671
01:26:37,693 --> 01:26:39,277
What if I get you
part way down there
1672
01:26:39,403 --> 01:26:40,946
and all of a sudden
the helicopter takes off and--
1673
01:26:41,071 --> 01:26:42,364
[Yvette] I assume
that you're in communication
1674
01:26:42,489 --> 01:26:44,032
-with the helicopter.
-We are.
1675
01:26:44,157 --> 01:26:45,701
[Yvette] You're denying
our right to observe,
1676
01:26:45,826 --> 01:26:47,619
you're denying
our constitutional rights.
1677
01:26:47,744 --> 01:26:49,454
[Brian] What did you mean by
you need to control the people?
1678
01:26:49,579 --> 01:26:52,332
We need to-- we need to
make sure people are safe.
1679
01:26:52,457 --> 01:26:53,959
-That's what I mean--
-[Yvette] There's no safety
1680
01:26:54,084 --> 01:26:55,669
unless you've got
some rogue helicopter pilot
1681
01:26:55,794 --> 01:26:57,254
who's going to take off,
1682
01:26:57,379 --> 01:26:59,005
and then you really hired
the wrong person,
1683
01:26:59,131 --> 01:27:00,674
it is perfectly safe for us.
1684
01:27:00,799 --> 01:27:02,300
We got the best helicopter pilot
in the business.
1685
01:27:02,426 --> 01:27:04,136
[Yvette] Wonderful. Great.
I thought he did--
1686
01:27:04,261 --> 01:27:05,637
I thought he kept a very
reasonable distance yesterday.
1687
01:27:05,762 --> 01:27:07,097
-What about today?
-[Yvette] I thought,
1688
01:27:07,222 --> 01:27:08,724
well, he got pretty
darn close today.
1689
01:27:08,849 --> 01:27:10,434
I would like to go over there,
so if you've got
1690
01:27:10,559 --> 01:27:11,810
the best helicopter pilot
in the distance,
1691
01:27:11,935 --> 01:27:13,562
he's not going to
take off on me.
1692
01:27:13,687 --> 01:27:15,731
...people are getting
a little bit, uh, emotional,
1693
01:27:15,856 --> 01:27:17,607
and, you know, we're going to
keep people here--
1694
01:27:17,733 --> 01:27:19,276
A minute ago,
it was for our safety,
1695
01:27:19,401 --> 01:27:21,111
now you're saying
it's because we're emotional.
1696
01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:23,113
[Gus]
Well, emotion runs into that.
1697
01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:25,657
If people are getting emotional,
how do you control people?
1698
01:27:25,782 --> 01:27:27,033
[Brian] We weren't
emotional a minute ago.
1699
01:27:27,159 --> 01:27:28,702
[Yvette]
No, we very calmly asked,
1700
01:27:28,827 --> 01:27:30,787
and we said it is our right
as journalists,
1701
01:27:30,912 --> 01:27:33,290
as public observers
to go over there
1702
01:27:33,415 --> 01:27:35,000
and point our camera
at the trap site.
1703
01:27:35,125 --> 01:27:36,376
...of everybody
1704
01:27:36,501 --> 01:27:37,711
and the coordination
of this group,
1705
01:27:37,836 --> 01:27:39,045
we want to keep you here.
1706
01:27:39,171 --> 01:27:40,547
So, that's what we're gonna do.
1707
01:27:40,672 --> 01:27:42,007
[journalist] Can I go?
I'm not emotional.
1708
01:27:42,132 --> 01:27:43,550
We're gonna keep you here.
1709
01:27:43,675 --> 01:27:45,093
Yeah, no.
1710
01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:48,764
So, um, we made such a stink
1711
01:27:48,889 --> 01:27:51,391
and made some-- made some
pretty damn good points,
1712
01:27:51,516 --> 01:27:54,352
and they are now allowing us,
after a fight,
1713
01:27:54,478 --> 01:27:58,315
to go over
to a certain point
1714
01:27:58,440 --> 01:28:00,400
where we're allowed
to observe.
1715
01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:01,777
-Are you filming this?
-[helicopter whirling]
1716
01:28:03,069 --> 01:28:04,696
So, holy cow.
1717
01:28:09,534 --> 01:28:10,786
Wow.
1718
01:28:21,713 --> 01:28:22,964
This is nuts.
1719
01:28:26,301 --> 01:28:27,552
This is nuts.
1720
01:28:37,687 --> 01:28:43,401
[piano music]
1721
01:28:43,527 --> 01:28:46,571
There is a child that just
got out of the helicopter.
1722
01:28:46,696 --> 01:28:49,950
Why is a--
why is a kid riding around?
1723
01:28:50,075 --> 01:28:52,494
How is that
not a liability issue?
1724
01:28:52,619 --> 01:28:54,538
[Kai] Well, that's because
it's daddy's helicopter.
1725
01:28:54,663 --> 01:28:56,122
[Yvette] Yeah,
but for a government roundup
1726
01:28:56,248 --> 01:28:57,666
of wild horses,
you've got a chi--
1727
01:28:57,791 --> 01:28:59,376
-You've got a child?
-[Kai] Yeah.
1728
01:28:59,501 --> 01:29:02,295
That's not even a teenager.
That's a little girl.
1729
01:29:02,420 --> 01:29:03,880
[Kai] No reason
that we couldn't--
1730
01:29:04,005 --> 01:29:06,925
Yeah, there's no--
this is absurd, yeah.
1731
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:09,219
We can go low,
we can have the camera low,
1732
01:29:09,344 --> 01:29:12,389
we can have-- we could crouch
below those rocks.
1733
01:29:12,514 --> 01:29:14,391
-[Yvette] Absolutely.
-[Kai] Zero issue.
1734
01:29:14,516 --> 01:29:16,101
[Yvette]
We could sit right up here.
1735
01:29:16,226 --> 01:29:18,895
We could see the helicopter
operations from there.
1736
01:29:19,020 --> 01:29:20,647
All the way
around the mountain,
1737
01:29:20,772 --> 01:29:22,649
and then we could see
the trap site.
1738
01:29:22,774 --> 01:29:26,194
We could actually see the horses
running in, like this.
1739
01:29:28,488 --> 01:29:29,739
So, they run them
in from there.
1740
01:29:38,331 --> 01:29:39,624
And then
they're forced through here.
1741
01:29:39,749 --> 01:29:41,626
Can you imagine
if you were a horse
1742
01:29:41,751 --> 01:29:43,712
and you run?
1743
01:29:43,837 --> 01:29:45,088
Can you tell me
about the child
1744
01:29:45,213 --> 01:29:46,840
that was in the chopper
yesterday?
1745
01:29:46,965 --> 01:29:48,717
I have no idea
what you're talking about.
1746
01:29:48,842 --> 01:29:50,510
[Yvette] There was a little girl
that got out of the chopper,
1747
01:29:50,635 --> 01:29:52,095
we've got it on film.
1748
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:53,805
Why is a child riding around?
1749
01:29:53,930 --> 01:29:55,181
-Is that legal?
-Couldn't tell you.
1750
01:29:57,309 --> 01:29:58,894
[Yvette] But after
the roundup is done
1751
01:29:59,019 --> 01:30:00,729
and the chopper is grounded,
1752
01:30:00,854 --> 01:30:02,731
why can't we go over to
the other side of the mountain
1753
01:30:02,856 --> 01:30:05,609
if we're half a mile away
on 1 000 millimeter lens?
1754
01:30:09,029 --> 01:30:10,822
We discussed this yesterday.
1755
01:30:10,947 --> 01:30:13,450
Yeah, and I'd like to know why
what you said is changing again.
1756
01:30:16,453 --> 01:30:17,787
So, you're not gonna let
1757
01:30:17,913 --> 01:30:19,539
the Associated Press
over there either?
1758
01:30:19,664 --> 01:30:22,250
Yeah, come in.
1759
01:30:22,375 --> 01:30:24,127
[Yvette]
We were told we couldn't go
1760
01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:27,047
near the trap site
because it was a safety issue.
1761
01:30:27,172 --> 01:30:30,967
But a little girl not only rode
around in the helicopter,
1762
01:30:31,092 --> 01:30:33,386
but sat on the back
of a water truck
1763
01:30:33,511 --> 01:30:35,221
as the horses
were hosed down.
1764
01:30:35,347 --> 01:30:38,141
[horses neigh]
1765
01:30:38,266 --> 01:30:42,812
♪
1766
01:30:47,067 --> 01:30:48,318
[Yvette]
This is just so unfair.
1767
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,490
-I can hear them crying.
-[horses neigh]
1768
01:30:53,615 --> 01:30:54,866
This is just
really heartbreaking.
1769
01:31:02,624 --> 01:31:05,543
We're not allowed
to view the holding facility,
1770
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:08,046
even though
it's a BLM holding facility.
1771
01:31:08,171 --> 01:31:10,173
There's Kai,
we've got officers.
1772
01:31:10,298 --> 01:31:11,841
I'm not sure
what we're about to encounter.
1773
01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:20,934
[melancholic music]
1774
01:31:23,645 --> 01:31:26,690
[horses neigh]
1775
01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:32,696
[horse blusters]
1776
01:31:33,863 --> 01:31:36,116
[horses neigh]
1777
01:31:43,289 --> 01:31:47,168
[horses neigh]
1778
01:31:47,293 --> 01:31:48,753
[horses neigh]
1779
01:31:50,922 --> 01:31:52,173
[horses neigh]
1780
01:31:58,847 --> 01:32:00,765
-[Yvette] That sound is--
-[Kai] I know, it's terrible.
1781
01:32:00,890 --> 01:32:02,851
We've been listening to it
for hours now,
1782
01:32:02,976 --> 01:32:04,394
for two hours, it's horrible.
1783
01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:05,729
[horse neighs]
1784
01:32:05,854 --> 01:32:10,859
♪
1785
01:32:12,819 --> 01:32:14,612
[horse neighs]
1786
01:32:16,364 --> 01:32:17,615
[Yvette] I'm so sorry.
1787
01:32:27,167 --> 01:32:30,462
[Yvette] Three months later,
we went back to Delta.
1788
01:32:34,591 --> 01:32:38,094
Almost all of the families
we've gotten to know...
1789
01:32:38,219 --> 01:32:40,472
had been captured
and separated.
1790
01:32:43,016 --> 01:32:45,935
The beautiful perlino sisters
1791
01:32:46,061 --> 01:32:49,272
strode through
pools of water and mud.
1792
01:32:51,483 --> 01:32:54,486
And their brave stallion
who escaped
1793
01:32:54,611 --> 01:32:56,946
but gallantly
went back for them
1794
01:32:57,072 --> 01:32:58,323
was captured too.
1795
01:33:00,116 --> 01:33:01,868
The father
of the chestnut foal.
1796
01:33:03,828 --> 01:33:05,789
Even the powerful Stargazer...
1797
01:33:07,749 --> 01:33:10,376
who had been so resplendent
in the wild...
1798
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:13,797
had been reduced to this.
1799
01:33:13,922 --> 01:33:18,927
♪
1800
01:34:19,154 --> 01:34:20,572
[birds chirping]
1801
01:34:21,656 --> 01:34:25,660
[flute music]
1802
01:34:32,041 --> 01:34:35,086
A number of the horses
from roundups...
1803
01:34:35,211 --> 01:34:37,839
found safe landings
at sanctuaries.
1804
01:34:39,883 --> 01:34:42,093
The cremello
and the black from Onaqui
1805
01:34:42,218 --> 01:34:47,015
landed at Great Escape
Mustang Sanctuary in Colorado.
1806
01:34:47,140 --> 01:34:49,267
The Black
has joined the herd.
1807
01:34:49,392 --> 01:34:51,769
Though the cremello
wanders alone.
1808
01:34:54,606 --> 01:34:57,567
Norman remained
free on the range.
1809
01:34:57,692 --> 01:35:00,236
Though
one of the three amigos, Rowan,
1810
01:35:00,361 --> 01:35:02,947
was reported to be killed
by the BLM
1811
01:35:03,072 --> 01:35:05,116
only days before the roundup
1812
01:35:05,241 --> 01:35:08,953
for supposedly
having a pre-existing injury.
1813
01:35:11,247 --> 01:35:15,168
We never did find
the chestnut foal.
1814
01:35:15,293 --> 01:35:18,463
Although Stargazer's story
ended in a different way.
1815
01:35:21,007 --> 01:35:24,844
After the BLM auctioned off
the surviving Onaqui horses,
1816
01:35:24,969 --> 01:35:28,598
he and his favorite mare
were adopted together.
1817
01:35:28,723 --> 01:35:31,226
Although
they will never again be free.
1818
01:35:33,436 --> 01:35:35,438
Old Man was left wild...
1819
01:35:37,148 --> 01:35:38,441
though we never saw him again.
1820
01:35:42,403 --> 01:35:45,281
The fate of nearly 60,000
1821
01:35:45,406 --> 01:35:47,283
wild horses and burros
1822
01:35:47,408 --> 01:35:51,454
stuck in holding facilities
across the United States...
1823
01:35:51,579 --> 01:35:52,956
will never fully be known.
1824
01:35:57,794 --> 01:35:59,754
This film
is in honor of them...
1825
01:36:02,090 --> 01:36:03,800
and for all of their
mysterious...
1826
01:36:05,093 --> 01:36:09,013
unfathomable wild beauty
1827
01:36:09,138 --> 01:36:10,682
that they've brought
to the world.
1828
01:36:10,807 --> 01:36:14,811
♪
1829
01:36:54,726 --> 01:36:56,227
Unbridled and unbroken,
1830
01:36:56,352 --> 01:36:57,812
these symbols
of our nation's merits
1831
01:36:57,937 --> 01:36:59,731
embody the tonic of wildness
1832
01:36:59,856 --> 01:37:02,817
that Henry David Thoreau
so eloquently phrased
1833
01:37:02,942 --> 01:37:04,527
in his reflective piece,
Walden.
1834
01:37:04,652 --> 01:37:07,697
Wild horses and burros
have a place on these lands,
1835
01:37:07,822 --> 01:37:09,907
epitomizing
the tenacity and grit
1836
01:37:10,033 --> 01:37:11,326
this nation strives for.
1837
01:37:11,451 --> 01:37:15,788
♪
1838
01:38:15,139 --> 01:38:20,144
♪
1839
01:39:15,450 --> 01:39:20,455
♪