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[ Horses galloping ]

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Hawke: Growing up in Fort Worth,
Texas, Sundays meant church.

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Yeah.

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And I remember one hot July.

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My stepmother didn't feel well,

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and she said that she was
gonna stay home.

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And we're driving down
the highway, and my father says,

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"You know, there's a cowboy
picture playing at 11:15.

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We could go see that instead."

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And it's like, "Oh, my God."

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And, um, my father took me

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to see "Butch Cassidy
and the Sundance Kid."

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And from that day forward,

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the movies have been
the church of my choice.

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Yeah, I'm leaving now.
Okay. Alright, bye.

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Love you, too.

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♪♪

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Yo.

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Yo, yo, yo. How art thou?

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Good, man. Let me turn
so I'm not so backlit there.

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Does it tell you
that you're recording?

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[ Indistinct conversations ]

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Oh.

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I'm trying to remember
where it is that you go into...

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Okay.
Go to the audio options.

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Look at those dogs, man.

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This is Georgia.
That's Chet.

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They're gonna take a nap
while we talk.

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Hi.

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-You're in London?
-I am.

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That's Rosie,
my St. Bernard puppy.

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That's what you do
in, uh, lockdown, I guess.

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I'm in the country.

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I've been here
for a fucking year,

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and I'm thinking about
cooking a soup.

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[ Laughter ]

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But I'm good. I'm good.
I'm happy to be working.

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I'm trying
to, like, not go crazy.

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I mean, we're -- we've been
in isolation for 11 --

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I feel like I've spent
the better half

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of the last six months
on Zoom.

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What happened to Ryan and I

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right before
the pandemic started,

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one of Paul Newman
and Joanne Woodward's kids

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approached me to see

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if I would direct a documentary
about Paul and Joanne.

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It's forcing me to spend
the afternoon,

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the evening, whatever I do,

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studying the life of two people
that excelled at our profession

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beyond ordinary, you know,
measuring sticks.

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With investments like this,
you will find it

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is almost never necessary
to sell them.

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Remember, it is better
to trade too little

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than too much.

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Do you remember that evening
on my parent's front porch

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before we were married?

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It was in the summertime.

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Well,
I can't say that I do.

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You read some verses
from the "Rubaiyat" to me.

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You always carried a copy
of the "Rubaiyat."

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It was this small.
Don't you remember?

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"A loaf of bread,
a jug of wine.

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And thou beside me
in the wilderness."

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Oh, are we going on
with this or not?

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♪♪

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We got two first-ballot
Hall of Famers

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who also happen to be married.

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Impossible
upon impossible.

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The first time I ever saw
Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward

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in real life,
I was 16 years old.

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To come over...

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It was my first day at school
at a school in New Jersey

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that I'd been sent to,
and I couldn't believe it.

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But it turns out Paul Newman
and Joanne Woodward

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had a kid that went there

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and they were walking
across the campus.

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And to my mind,

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at that moment,
they had achieved everything

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I'd ever dreamt
of accomplishing.

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They seemed like
first-rate human beings.

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They were both
exceptional artists.

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They had love.
They had family.

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They were ethical citizens.

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They'd done everything
I had ever dreamed of doing.

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And I just watched them walk by.

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And I really wondered,
"What was it like to be them?"

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The only person to be nominated
for Best Actor --

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I think he's one of three
and the only American nominated

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for Best Actor in five decades.

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But then you go --
Then you go look at her career.

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She won the BAFTA.
She won the Oscar.

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She won New York Film Critics
twice. She won --

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He's a 4-time
national champion racing cars.

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He made money racing cars.

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And then, of course,
they gave away $500 million.

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So it's -- it's a little bit
like, "Okay, how do you start?"

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What I didn't know was
he'd begun

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working on a memoir
with his friend Stewart Stern.

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He's a famous screenwriter.

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He'd written "Rebel Without
a Cause" and "Rachel, Rachel."

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And they embarked

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on interviewing everybody
in Paul's life.

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I think they did
over 100 interviews

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from famous people to friends
to nannies and assistants,

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everybody that they'd come
in contact with.

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So he would interview Altman,
he would interview Kazan,

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he interviewed Karl Malden,
he interviewed Tom Cruise.

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He interviewed Bruce Dern.
Tom Cruise?

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What happened
to these tapes?

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Unfortunately, at some point...

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He took them to the dump.

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...Paul burned
all the audio tapes,

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including his own.

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And no one is really
exactly sure why.

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Sort of -- sort of
awesome actually,

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when you think about it.
Sort of great.

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The other day, I get a call,

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"Well, maybe he didn't burn
all of them."

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Or they found some of them.

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Well, it turns out
they're NG, right?

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I mean, they're not usable.

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Okay, it was gone,

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except Stewart had had them
all transcribed.

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This is one box...
Are you kidding?

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...of transcripts that I have.
Are you kidding me?

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Like, it's hundreds
of thousands of pages.

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I'm trying to ask all my friends
to make these audios come alive.

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It's -- I'm trying to turn it
into kind of like a play

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with voices,
a community looking back.

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And so, that's what
I'm doing here with you.

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And Sammy Rockwell is gonna
read the director

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of "Cool Hand Luke."

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Laura Linney is gonna
do Joanne Woodward.

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Zoe Kazan is gonna play
Paul's first wife.

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Karen Allen is playing
Joanne's stepmother.

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Josh Hamilton is gonna read
the director of the stage.

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Vincent D'Onofrio is gonna
do John Huston.

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George Clooney
agreed to read Paul.

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So we're -- we're having fun

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kind of revisiting
the generation before us.

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Ashmanskas:
I'll just read through.

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I'll probably just
read through it.

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You know, we'll just
go through it.

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Just -- Just read it
through once.

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Great. Great.
[ Clears throat ]

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"I think when people
look back on this epic,

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if anybody does
for any reason,

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they presided over sort of
the end of the movies

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as the universal
art form.

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Movies have now
become taken over

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by television miniseries

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and are now more interesting
to the general public

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than the feature film.

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So I think people will
think of them

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as the last
movie stars."

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Man: Joanne Woodward.
Mr. Paul Newman.

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"They were the last people
who were treated

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at the beginning
of their careers

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the way Gary Cooper,
Katharine Hepburn were treated.

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And they survived."

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♪♪

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Allen:
"Well, when Joanne came up

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on her 19th birthday
in February,

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never having been
to New York before,

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we picked her up
at Penn Station in a cab

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and she said, 'Daddy,
can I kiss the ground?'

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And he said, 'Anything you want
to do, it's your party.'

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And she wanted to do
all the things.

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What play we went?
Well, I don't know.

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Well, I think it was
'Mister Roberts.'

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And then we went
to the Latin Quarter.

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We went to the Copacabana.

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We heard Frank Sinatra
sing that night."

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♪ Would you care ♪

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Allen: "We took the bus

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and we rode
all the way down Fifth Avenue

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on her 19th birthday
on a double-decker bus.

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She would commute every day
from Glen Rock, New Jersey,

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to the Neighborhood Playhouse
where she studied acting."

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I swear I will.

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Meisner: I remember
talking to Joanne

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when she first came here,

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and I asked her why she wanted
to be an actress.

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Well, she thought about it,
and she fumbled.

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And then she said to me
in a very thick Southern accent

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that it was the only thing that
she knew how to do.

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Man #2: 10 seconds.
Steady on one. Stand by, two.

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Allen: "The first time
I saw her act

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was in those little television
movies that she did.

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From the day she graduated
the Neighborhood Playhouse,

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she did television,
live television.

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'Robert Montgomery Presents'
was one of the first

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and I kept her little dress
that she wore in that for years.

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I suppose the veil
of the temple

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was [indistinct] from
the top to the bottom.

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Woodward: I felt like
I really arrived.

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Matter of fact,
I think in two years,

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I must have done something
like 100 television shows.

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[ Loud bang ]

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♪ This is the Army,
Mister Green ♪

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♪ We like the barracks
nice and clean ♪

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Linney: "We met
at our mutual agent's office,

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a wonderful agent whose name
was Maynard Morris.

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And Maynard came out
of his office and said,

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'I want to introduce you
to one of my newest clients.'

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And I said, 'Fine.'

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And out steps
this bandbox creature

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in this gorgeous arrow collar
and in a seersucker suit

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looked like he'd just
been kept on ice.

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And I hated him."

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Interviewer: And then the two
of you were understudies

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on Broadway
during "Picnic."

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"We were. We were
both understudies.

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But he got the part.

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They fired the actor
who was playing the part.

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He got it."

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♪♪

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♪♪

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Clooney: "'Picnic' gave me
the wishing well of everything.

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I was so enthralled
with the idea

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of being a professional actor
in a Broadway show.

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Once it was running,

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I never even went up
to my dressing room.

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I'd stand in the wings
and make a hole in the curtain

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and watch the audience."

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"Joanne and I were understudies,

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and I had to do a dance
as Hal.

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It was a really sexy dance.

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I couldn't dance worth a shit.

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It's how Joanne and I
fell in love."

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♪♪

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"She'd always try to teach me
in the wings

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while Ralph and Janice
were performing it.

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When Joshua Logan had
staged the dance,

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Ralph and Janice backed up
from each other

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then kind of did a truck on in,
back up,

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truck on in, back up,
truck in.

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Josh had told Ralph, 'Pretend
you've got a 37-foot-long cock

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and you're 36 feet apart.'

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It's a terrific image
for an actor to use."

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"But while Janice and Ralph
were dancing on stage,

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Joanne and I would be having
our little dance of death

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behind the scenery.

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And soon I began to have this
terrible problem in my pants."

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"She'd say,
'Oh, my goodness, what's this?'"

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♪♪

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"I was in pursuit of lust.

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Rydell: "So Joanne came home
and told Ran and myself

249
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she met the man
she was going to marry

250
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in rehearsals of 'Picnic.'

251
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I said,
'What are you talking about?'

252
00:12:12,983 --> 00:12:15,194
She said,
'Well, he lives on Long Island

253
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and he's an understudy.'

254
00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,781
She came home with that oddly
determined characteristic

255
00:12:19,865 --> 00:12:21,950
of Joanne from the first day
of rehearsal.

256
00:12:22,034 --> 00:12:24,870
It was such an extravagant thing
to say.

257
00:12:24,953 --> 00:12:27,873
I mean, after all,
the man was married."

258
00:12:27,956 --> 00:12:33,712
♪♪

259
00:12:33,795 --> 00:12:37,799
Allen: "There was chemistry
there between Joanne and Paul.

260
00:12:37,883 --> 00:12:40,135
There is no doubt about that."

261
00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:44,389
That night we saw him backstage
at the theater,

262
00:12:44,473 --> 00:12:50,812
he had borrowed her apartment
and returned the keys.

263
00:12:50,896 --> 00:12:53,565
But I-I didn't think
about that."

264
00:12:55,067 --> 00:12:59,404
Clooney: "We recognized in each
other a couple of orphans.

265
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And orphans have big appetites
for everything."

266
00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:07,079
"We just banged it out together
as orphans

267
00:13:07,162 --> 00:13:09,414
and left a trail of lust
all over the place --

268
00:13:09,498 --> 00:13:13,210
hotels, motels, public parks
and bathrooms, rumble seats,

269
00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:17,589
Hertz rental cars,
swimming pools, beaches,

270
00:13:17,673 --> 00:13:20,467
all of it's better left
to the imagination."

271
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♪♪

272
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Announcer:
"The Alcoa Hour" --

273
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brought to you live
from New York.

274
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Hello, I'm Sidney Lumet.

275
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I'm the director
of this production.

276
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It's a play
that's very close to me.

277
00:13:36,984 --> 00:13:38,986
McCarthy: "I saw Paul
for the first time in 'Picnic.'

278
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I saw how attractive
and how perfect he was

279
00:13:42,531 --> 00:13:44,950
for that part, stiff and wooden,
but an actor."

280
00:13:45,033 --> 00:13:46,618
Walter Cronkite reporting.

281
00:13:46,702 --> 00:13:48,287
We take you now to Athens
outside the prison,

282
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where Socrates is being held.

283
00:13:49,871 --> 00:13:51,540
McCarthy: "Then when I was
doing 'You Are There'

284
00:13:51,623 --> 00:13:53,709
in those early --
in those days,

285
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the actors were broken
into two categories.

286
00:13:55,877 --> 00:13:57,629
If they did not have
a New York accent,

287
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they were my European actors.

288
00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:01,383
And if they had
a New York accent,

289
00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:03,176
which most of them had,
you know."

290
00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:04,595
Man #3: Do you think
there is any chance

291
00:14:04,678 --> 00:14:06,388
that Socrates
might yet be saved?

292
00:14:06,471 --> 00:14:10,017
"Paul was right away relegated
to the European company

293
00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:12,019
because he had
no New York accent."

294
00:14:12,102 --> 00:14:13,812
Cronkite: Citizen Plato,
I wonder if you would --

295
00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:15,314
Not right now,
please.

296
00:14:15,397 --> 00:14:17,691
McCarthy: "He was wonderful
in 'Death of Socrates.'

297
00:14:17,774 --> 00:14:19,276
He played Plato in that,

298
00:14:19,359 --> 00:14:22,821
and I did use him
in one American piece

299
00:14:22,904 --> 00:14:25,782
if my memory serves
right with Joanne."

300
00:14:25,866 --> 00:14:27,117
Chris.

301
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,368
Yes, I know.

302
00:14:28,452 --> 00:14:30,662
"I think I found out
during rehearsals

303
00:14:30,746 --> 00:14:32,039
that they were going together.

304
00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:35,125
They kept arriving
and leaving together."

305
00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:37,419
Hey, don't do that.
Why not?

306
00:14:39,755 --> 00:14:43,342
I mean, can you imagine
having your first Broadway play

307
00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:46,595
be William Inge winning
the Pulitzer for "Picnic"

308
00:14:46,678 --> 00:14:48,347
and Josh Logan is directing it?

309
00:14:48,430 --> 00:14:51,933
Then on your off days,
you go to The Actors' Studio

310
00:14:52,017 --> 00:14:55,187
and are watching Brando
and Marilyn Monroe do scene work

311
00:14:55,270 --> 00:14:56,688
and class study?

312
00:14:56,772 --> 00:14:58,482
Terry: Are you training
to be a nun?

313
00:14:58,565 --> 00:15:00,692
Edie:
Just a regular college.

314
00:15:00,776 --> 00:15:02,194
Wait a sec.

315
00:15:02,277 --> 00:15:04,946
Clooney: "The first film that
made an impression on me

316
00:15:05,030 --> 00:15:07,491
was 'On the Waterfront.'

317
00:15:07,574 --> 00:15:11,536
The grittiness, realism
and Brando."

318
00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,538
Country.

319
00:15:13,622 --> 00:15:14,915
I don't like
the country.

320
00:15:14,998 --> 00:15:16,541
The crickets
make me nervous.

321
00:15:16,625 --> 00:15:21,463
♪♪

322
00:15:21,546 --> 00:15:22,881
Interviewer #2:
You're also a student

323
00:15:22,964 --> 00:15:24,383
at The Actors' Studio,
Mr. Newman.

324
00:15:24,466 --> 00:15:26,885
Just how important
was your education there,

325
00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:28,637
your studies there?

326
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,891
Paul: Well, whatever I have
become as an actor,

327
00:15:32,974 --> 00:15:34,559
either good or bad,

328
00:15:34,643 --> 00:15:37,521
The Actors' Studio must take
either the blame or the credit,

329
00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:39,439
because they are certainly

330
00:15:39,523 --> 00:15:43,568
the most important single factor
in my acting career.

331
00:15:43,652 --> 00:15:47,197
And I work very hard there.

332
00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,741
Man #4: The man just coming in
is Lee Strasberg,

333
00:15:49,825 --> 00:15:51,118
director of the studio.

334
00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,995
Elia Kazan is behind him,
one of the founders.

335
00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:56,998
Man #5: Well, The Studio
itself was started in '46.

336
00:15:57,082 --> 00:15:58,333
Clooney:
"The closest thing to a mentor

337
00:15:58,417 --> 00:16:00,711
I ever found
was The Actors' Studio."

338
00:16:00,794 --> 00:16:02,337
There was no home
for actors.

339
00:16:02,421 --> 00:16:03,630
"Elia Kazan.

340
00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:06,258
Especially the work
of Tennessee Williams.

341
00:16:06,341 --> 00:16:09,177
Tennessee didn't have to try
to be a poet.

342
00:16:09,261 --> 00:16:12,764
It's who he was.
That was my great teacher.

343
00:16:12,848 --> 00:16:15,434
The people I saw working there

344
00:16:15,517 --> 00:16:18,729
gave me the clues
to what acting was all about --

345
00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:22,274
Ben Gazzara, Geraldine Page
and Kim Stanley,

346
00:16:22,357 --> 00:16:26,528
Karl Malden, Julie Harris,
Eli Wallach.

347
00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:30,657
I mean, you know, Marlon,
Jimmy Dean, you know."

348
00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:34,619
Woodward:
And Paul was already a member,

349
00:16:34,703 --> 00:16:36,955
and I didn't know what it was,

350
00:16:37,038 --> 00:16:39,374
so I had no idea what I wanted
to be a member of.

351
00:16:39,458 --> 00:16:42,586
But I thought it was --
It sounded good to me.

352
00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:45,797
I mean, everybody else
was a member.

353
00:16:45,881 --> 00:16:48,467
[ Laughter ]

354
00:16:48,550 --> 00:16:52,179
Linney: "Dearest mother,
I've been meaning to write.

355
00:16:52,262 --> 00:16:56,433
I got in.
I'm now officially a member.

356
00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,144
Anyway, then the week
really turned around.

357
00:16:59,227 --> 00:17:00,771
I went to go see 'Uncle Vanya.'"

358
00:17:00,854 --> 00:17:04,566
The element of character
was left out.

359
00:17:04,649 --> 00:17:06,526
Clooney:
"It was not the kind of acting

360
00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:09,237
that I'd been accustomed to,

361
00:17:09,321 --> 00:17:11,865
to see that group of people
working without oratory,

362
00:17:11,948 --> 00:17:13,700
without acting."

363
00:17:15,577 --> 00:17:17,329
"While I had no measure
of what light

364
00:17:17,412 --> 00:17:21,249
I was emanating to other people,

365
00:17:21,333 --> 00:17:25,879
a competence must have exuded,
just competence and energy

366
00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:27,464
combined with real terror."

367
00:17:29,925 --> 00:17:31,384
Imaginary or emotional?

368
00:17:31,468 --> 00:17:34,221
I mean, I have always heard
imaginary circumstances.

369
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:41,978
I just wanna die.

370
00:17:42,062 --> 00:17:44,523
[ Crying ]
I just wanna die.

371
00:17:44,606 --> 00:17:47,442
Man #6: It began to give
an actor the sense

372
00:17:47,526 --> 00:17:49,861
that he could be
proud of his profession,

373
00:17:49,945 --> 00:17:51,905
proud of what he was...
Liar!

374
00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,365
...proud that he was an actor,

375
00:17:53,448 --> 00:17:56,034
that an actor was -- was
a contribution to society.

376
00:17:56,117 --> 00:17:58,411
...too much!

377
00:17:58,495 --> 00:17:59,663
I can't give you
anymore.

378
00:17:59,746 --> 00:18:01,039
I got nothing left
to give!

379
00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:02,374
But I am involved!

380
00:18:02,457 --> 00:18:04,209
We are all involved!

381
00:18:04,292 --> 00:18:07,420
[ Screams indistinctly ]

382
00:18:07,504 --> 00:18:11,258
Hawke: This is the generation
that walked in

383
00:18:11,341 --> 00:18:14,845
and watched Marlon Brando
scream "Stella!"

384
00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:19,057
for the first time and know
that that was Tennessee Williams

385
00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:22,060
and Elia Kazan
and art was changed.

386
00:18:22,143 --> 00:18:24,646
Stella!

387
00:18:24,729 --> 00:18:26,148
Clooney: "But these are people

388
00:18:26,231 --> 00:18:29,776
that didn't consider me
an actor."

389
00:18:29,860 --> 00:18:31,695
Interviewer #3: That
filmmaking career began

390
00:18:31,778 --> 00:18:35,073
with something called
"The Silver Chalice."

391
00:18:35,157 --> 00:18:36,533
[ Laughter ]

392
00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:37,659
Newman:
Well, the question

393
00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:38,910
is really a matter
of survival.

394
00:18:38,994 --> 00:18:42,080
I was grateful
that I survived that.

395
00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:43,290
It was nobody's fault.

396
00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:45,542
It was just
the worst film made

397
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,168
in the entire of 1950.

398
00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:48,253
[ Laughter ]

399
00:18:48,336 --> 00:18:53,758
♪♪

400
00:18:53,842 --> 00:18:56,595
Narrator: You stand in the
streets of ancient Antioch,

401
00:18:56,678 --> 00:19:00,932
where Caesar's legions
proclaimed his pagan power.

402
00:19:01,016 --> 00:19:03,560
Clooney: "I remember once
someone at The Studio saying,

403
00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:07,355
'Ben Gazzara thinks you're
a Shaker Heights asshole.

404
00:19:07,439 --> 00:19:09,065
It's all manufactured.

405
00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:10,567
There isn't a genuine moment.'"

406
00:19:12,611 --> 00:19:13,612
"And I knew..."

407
00:19:13,695 --> 00:19:14,905
Want to give me
my freedom?

408
00:19:14,988 --> 00:19:17,490
"...that if Ben Gazzara
said that,

409
00:19:17,574 --> 00:19:20,785
if he said that it was fake...

410
00:19:20,869 --> 00:19:21,953
it was fake."

411
00:19:22,037 --> 00:19:24,623
Call the guard!
Guard! Guard! Guard!

412
00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:27,876
♪♪

413
00:19:27,959 --> 00:19:29,377
"To this day, people I consider

414
00:19:29,461 --> 00:19:30,962
the eccentric people
of the theater,

415
00:19:31,046 --> 00:19:32,380
the bohemian people,

416
00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:35,800
the ones whose circles
I yearn to be a part of,

417
00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:40,221
people like John Malkovich,
Geraldine Page, Rip Torn,

418
00:19:40,305 --> 00:19:45,727
Scorsese, Nicholson,
Brando, Huston.

419
00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:48,647
The whole ilk of people.

420
00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,483
I don't have the immediacy
of personality.

421
00:19:51,566 --> 00:19:54,653
I'm not a true eccentric.

422
00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:59,282
I've got both feet firmly placed
in Shaker Heights.

423
00:19:59,366 --> 00:20:02,994
Those people, they were
authentically themselves.

424
00:20:03,078 --> 00:20:06,331
They're not working towards
becoming something they aren't."

425
00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:13,964
♪♪

426
00:20:14,047 --> 00:20:17,258
♪♪

427
00:20:17,342 --> 00:20:19,219
Interviewer #4: Joanne,
last Christmas,

428
00:20:19,302 --> 00:20:21,554
you were still single
when we visited with you,

429
00:20:21,638 --> 00:20:23,181
but I recall your saying
at the time

430
00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:25,266
that the best gift you received

431
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:27,727
was a set
of carriage lamps from, uh...

432
00:20:27,811 --> 00:20:30,522
I think you said a friend
who knows you very well.

433
00:20:30,605 --> 00:20:32,357
Did that friend
happen to be Paul?

434
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,566
It was.

435
00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:34,901
Stahl: 36 years ago,

436
00:20:34,985 --> 00:20:37,320
Newman and Joanne Woodward
were newlyweds.

437
00:20:37,404 --> 00:20:39,322
He didn't remember being
on the program

438
00:20:39,406 --> 00:20:41,074
until we showed it to him.

439
00:20:41,157 --> 00:20:42,617
I was 33 then.

440
00:20:42,701 --> 00:20:44,786
We live in what I call
an age of conformity,

441
00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,788
where you have to travel
with the herd.

442
00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:48,957
And if you don't travel
with the herd

443
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,375
and if you don't say yes

444
00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:52,544
to that little man
who's leading the pack,

445
00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:54,004
why, you're branded
as a rebel.

446
00:20:54,087 --> 00:20:57,340
I am trying desperately,
I hope,

447
00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,551
to be an individual.
I think...

448
00:20:59,634 --> 00:21:00,844
I don't know that guy.

449
00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:05,265
I have no...memory
of the way he...

450
00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:10,228
I'm -- I'm --
I'm delighted that he --

451
00:21:10,312 --> 00:21:11,730
That he --
I don't even --

452
00:21:11,813 --> 00:21:13,732
Who is that?

453
00:21:13,815 --> 00:21:15,483
They're just as mediocre

454
00:21:15,567 --> 00:21:18,528
as the people
that they --

455
00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:20,447
Clooney: "My problem is
that I just remember

456
00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:22,657
an accumulation of events.

457
00:21:22,741 --> 00:21:26,745
I don't really have a sense
of a beginning.

458
00:21:26,828 --> 00:21:29,456
There are people who have
a sense of living a whole life,

459
00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:32,375
but I just have a sense
of a series of events

460
00:21:32,459 --> 00:21:35,503
attached together
in random ways.

461
00:21:35,587 --> 00:21:36,755
Stick the middle
in the beginning

462
00:21:36,838 --> 00:21:38,757
or the beginning in the middle.

463
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,635
It really doesn't seem to make
either sense or difference."

464
00:21:45,513 --> 00:21:47,557
Linney:
"Now we're in Venice.

465
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,268
God. Oh, there's Gore."

466
00:21:50,351 --> 00:21:54,314
♪♪

467
00:21:54,397 --> 00:21:55,982
Hawke: I worked
with Gore Vidal

468
00:21:56,066 --> 00:21:57,192
when I did "Gattaca,"

469
00:21:57,275 --> 00:21:59,444
which is like '95. Right?
Right.

470
00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:02,113
And so that was, like, two
or three years after he won

471
00:22:02,197 --> 00:22:03,990
the National Book Award.
And I'm telling you,

472
00:22:04,074 --> 00:22:07,452
when Gore Vidal walked on set,
everybody got quiet.

473
00:22:07,535 --> 00:22:08,787
I bet.

474
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:13,291
You keep your workstation
so clean, Jerome.

475
00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:15,251
He was such a famous thinker.

476
00:22:15,335 --> 00:22:18,880
This is an author who was
on the cover of "Time" magazine.

477
00:22:18,963 --> 00:22:21,382
Exactly.
There were major publications

478
00:22:21,466 --> 00:22:23,802
that refused to review him
because he was gay.

479
00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:25,637
Man #7: He's been called
the best political novelist

480
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:27,013
since Disraeli.

481
00:22:27,097 --> 00:22:28,890
He's also been called
a commie pinko fag.

482
00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:30,517
[ Laughter ]

483
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,813
Wow. So this guy
is a famous radical,

484
00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,689
and this is their best friend.

485
00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:38,066
Ashmanskas: I know.

486
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:39,859
I mean, it says
everything about them.

487
00:22:39,943 --> 00:22:44,072
♪♪

488
00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:47,534
"One of the last
television plays I did,

489
00:22:47,617 --> 00:22:53,665
I think it was '54,
I mean, 30 years ago.

490
00:22:53,748 --> 00:22:56,543
And it was called
'The Death of Billy the Kid'

491
00:22:56,626 --> 00:22:58,920
and a great many people
were struck by it.

492
00:22:59,003 --> 00:23:04,175
It was a very strange play
and effective on television,

493
00:23:04,259 --> 00:23:07,804
starring a young Paul Newman.

494
00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:11,599
I liked it,
and I loved his girlfriend."

495
00:23:11,683 --> 00:23:14,394
♪♪

496
00:23:14,477 --> 00:23:16,688
"And I was staying
at, you know, Los Angeles,

497
00:23:16,771 --> 00:23:18,189
at the Chateau.

498
00:23:18,273 --> 00:23:19,357
Paul and Joan came out.

499
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,733
We'd all come out from New York,

500
00:23:20,817 --> 00:23:23,862
and we all knew
we were going to be stars.

501
00:23:23,945 --> 00:23:25,530
And we all did become stars.

502
00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:28,032
There was Tony Perkins,
Jimmy Dean.

503
00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:29,534
Four or five of us.

504
00:23:29,617 --> 00:23:32,370
It was as if we were
all swimming

505
00:23:32,453 --> 00:23:35,123
in the navel sweat of Hollywood.

506
00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:38,626
We all took a house together
belonging to Shirley MacLaine

507
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:40,336
out in Malibu.

508
00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:42,881
Paul and Joanne
were not yet married.

509
00:23:42,964 --> 00:23:47,302
Well, of course he was married
but just to someone else.

510
00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:50,263
And I was under contract
to Metro.

511
00:23:50,346 --> 00:23:52,056
Paul was at Warners,

512
00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:57,729
unfashionable Warners
in unfashionable Burbank,

513
00:23:57,812 --> 00:24:04,819
and Joanne was under contract
at 20th Century Fox.

514
00:24:04,903 --> 00:24:09,157
♪ Holy, Thou art holy ♪

515
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,244
♪ There is none beside Thee ♪

516
00:24:13,328 --> 00:24:14,787
♪ Perfect ♪

517
00:24:14,871 --> 00:24:16,331
Interviewer #5: Buddy,
you signed Joanne Woodward

518
00:24:16,414 --> 00:24:17,749
to a movie contract.

519
00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:19,459
You discovered her.

520
00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:22,629
She was obviously
a fine actress.

521
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:26,466
However, the screen is
so much bigger in scope.

522
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:29,761
We made photographic tests
of Joanne

523
00:24:29,844 --> 00:24:33,431
to see how she would look
on the motion-picture screen.

524
00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:36,226
Here are some of these tests.

525
00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:42,607
♪♪

526
00:24:42,690 --> 00:24:46,277
Ashmanskas: "Her secret is...

527
00:24:46,361 --> 00:24:48,029
she's a curious actress,

528
00:24:48,112 --> 00:24:51,783
because for the first five
minutes she's in anything,

529
00:24:51,866 --> 00:24:53,701
I go, 'Oh, no, no, no, no.

530
00:24:53,785 --> 00:24:56,496
It's my friend.
Joanne is up there.'"

531
00:24:56,579 --> 00:24:58,081
I'm sure they'll fit.

532
00:24:58,164 --> 00:24:59,832
I made 'em the same size
as the other ones.

533
00:24:59,916 --> 00:25:04,003
"She's got a curious voice,
rather flat and un-inflected.

534
00:25:04,087 --> 00:25:06,381
And sometimes it suits
what she's playing

535
00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:07,840
and sometimes not."

536
00:25:07,924 --> 00:25:10,301
I've never felt like this before
in my whole life.

537
00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:14,055
"And then
after about eight minutes,

538
00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:17,141
I forget that this is Joanne."

539
00:25:17,225 --> 00:25:18,643
You know something else?

540
00:25:18,726 --> 00:25:20,061
What?

541
00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:22,313
You're really very sweet.

542
00:25:22,397 --> 00:25:24,399
Scorsese: Okay.

543
00:25:24,482 --> 00:25:25,650
I feel --
I feel so blessed.

544
00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:28,069
I feel so happy.
Thank you so much.

545
00:25:28,152 --> 00:25:29,529
You're welcome.
You're welcome.

546
00:25:29,612 --> 00:25:31,656
So what can I --
what can I tell you?

547
00:25:31,739 --> 00:25:34,284
The first thing I wanted
to ask you

548
00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:38,538
was if you can remember
when Joanne Woodward,

549
00:25:38,621 --> 00:25:42,625
the actress, first came
into your consciousness.

550
00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:46,963
Well, um, I happened
to see, uh,

551
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,008
at the old Academy of Music
on 14th Street

552
00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:53,469
the second-run theater,

553
00:25:53,553 --> 00:25:55,680
I saw
"A Kiss Before Dying."

554
00:25:55,763 --> 00:26:01,978
♪♪

555
00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:03,980
[ Screams ]

556
00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:07,275
♪♪

557
00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:09,652
I mean, it follows up
immediately, same theater,

558
00:26:09,736 --> 00:26:10,987
a few months later,
I guess,

559
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:14,907
or a year later,
I see "No Down Payment."

560
00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,702
When she opens
the freezer...

561
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,245
Yeah. Yeah.
Amazing.

562
00:26:19,329 --> 00:26:21,539
What you looking for?

563
00:26:21,622 --> 00:26:23,333
Well, I was looking
for the ice.

564
00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:27,587
♪♪

565
00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,213
[ Humming ]

566
00:26:29,297 --> 00:26:31,257
[ Laughs ]

567
00:26:33,968 --> 00:26:36,095
What's the matter?

568
00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:37,388
I'm kind of dizzy.

569
00:26:37,472 --> 00:26:39,807
Must have been
something I ate.

570
00:26:39,891 --> 00:26:41,768
Linney:
"Acting is like sex.

571
00:26:41,851 --> 00:26:44,145
You should do it,
not talk about it."

572
00:26:44,228 --> 00:26:46,189
Why don't you try
a little coffee?

573
00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,733
Who wants
to sober up?

574
00:26:48,816 --> 00:26:49,901
Unh-unh.

575
00:26:49,984 --> 00:26:51,694
You light it for me.

576
00:26:51,778 --> 00:26:59,660
♪♪

577
00:26:59,744 --> 00:27:03,373
I was too young to have
had really encountered

578
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:05,833
anything
by William Faulkner.

579
00:27:05,917 --> 00:27:08,503
It was a foreign land
to me, you know,

580
00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:11,923
but she fit in
so, so well.

581
00:27:12,006 --> 00:27:13,674
It's where she came from,
there, you know?

582
00:27:13,758 --> 00:27:16,094
I don't get it.

583
00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:17,762
You ride to Memphis.

584
00:27:17,845 --> 00:27:19,347
You ride back
from Memphis.

585
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:21,557
At Memphis,
you don't even get off.

586
00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:24,727
Round-trip fare
for nothing.

587
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:27,855
Well, don't give yourself
any trouble about it.

588
00:27:27,939 --> 00:27:31,317
I just happen
to be an eccentric.

589
00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:33,903
Ashmanskas:
"Everything is instinctive.

590
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:37,323
Everything is natural.

591
00:27:37,407 --> 00:27:41,452
The difference between
her and Paul as actors is

592
00:27:41,536 --> 00:27:47,166
that he's constantly thinking,
thinking, thinking.

593
00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:49,752
It sometimes gets in his way.

594
00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:51,295
People of our generation,
you see,

595
00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:56,342
there was something...unmanly
about being an actor,

596
00:27:56,426 --> 00:27:57,760
so you had to pretend

597
00:27:57,844 --> 00:28:01,931
it was essentially
a very complex business.

598
00:28:02,014 --> 00:28:03,975
And then you were thinking
like a physicist

599
00:28:04,058 --> 00:28:05,518
or even an astronaut.

600
00:28:05,601 --> 00:28:08,020
And for a woman, that's
a very natural thing to do.

601
00:28:08,104 --> 00:28:10,356
I mean, particularly
for our generation,

602
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,153
women were meant to be actresses
in real life

603
00:28:15,236 --> 00:28:17,113
as well as on the screen.

604
00:28:17,196 --> 00:28:26,289
♪♪

605
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,125
Man #8: Ladies and gentlemen,
we have entered a soundstage

606
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:30,918
at 20th Century Fox studio

607
00:28:31,002 --> 00:28:32,879
for a visit
with Nunnally Johnson.

608
00:28:32,962 --> 00:28:35,214
Mr. Johnson is directing
the exciting young star

609
00:28:35,298 --> 00:28:38,301
Joanne Woodward
in "The Three Faces of Eve."

610
00:28:38,384 --> 00:28:42,180
There are three characters
in "Three Faces of Eve"

611
00:28:42,263 --> 00:28:44,515
who occupy one body, female.

612
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:45,850
Woodward:
I know that I was in New York

613
00:28:45,933 --> 00:28:48,769
and I was on my way out
on the train

614
00:28:48,853 --> 00:28:50,688
and I read the script
on the train

615
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,523
and I got off in Chicago.

616
00:28:52,607 --> 00:28:53,774
I called my agent and I said,

617
00:28:53,858 --> 00:28:55,026
"I don't want to do this.
It's scary."

618
00:28:55,109 --> 00:28:56,444
And he said,
"Well, you have to."

619
00:28:56,527 --> 00:28:58,446
Can I speak
to Mrs. White?

620
00:28:58,529 --> 00:29:02,450
Can I speak
with Eve White, too?

621
00:29:02,533 --> 00:29:05,578
Eve White?

622
00:29:05,661 --> 00:29:07,580
I called Martha Graham,

623
00:29:07,663 --> 00:29:11,751
with whom I'd studied
at the Neighborhood Playhouse.

624
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:13,377
And I said,
"I don't know what to do,

625
00:29:13,461 --> 00:29:16,881
and I would be grateful
for anything you could say."

626
00:29:16,964 --> 00:29:20,635
And she said, "Pick the way
each one of them moves."

627
00:29:20,718 --> 00:29:23,054
Hello, Doctor.

628
00:29:23,137 --> 00:29:26,432
Mrs. White?

629
00:29:26,516 --> 00:29:29,060
Woodward: How do they stand?
How do they move?

630
00:29:29,143 --> 00:29:31,562
Doctor:
Alright, now, walk back.

631
00:29:31,646 --> 00:29:35,399
Linney: And Joanne, you know,
she wanted to be a dancer.

632
00:29:35,483 --> 00:29:36,651
That was her dream.

633
00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:38,778
Her dream
was always to be a dancer.

634
00:29:38,861 --> 00:29:42,114
And there is something
about a body in motion

635
00:29:42,198 --> 00:29:46,244
with following music
and a body in motion.

636
00:29:46,327 --> 00:29:50,039
♪♪

637
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:53,876
A good working definition
of acting for me

638
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,378
is that acting is the ability

639
00:29:55,461 --> 00:29:58,881
to live truthfully
under imaginary circumstances.

640
00:29:58,965 --> 00:30:00,424
I don't know
what I have to do with it.

641
00:30:00,508 --> 00:30:02,385
I haven't got anything
to do with her.

642
00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:04,470
We teach our students
to know

643
00:30:04,554 --> 00:30:07,265
everything that they do
must be justified.

644
00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:12,019
That something real must happen
to them to make them do it.

645
00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:18,276
Woodward: A person behaves
and moves externally

646
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:22,029
because of what's happening
to them inside.

647
00:30:22,113 --> 00:30:24,323
And therefore
there was Eve White,

648
00:30:24,407 --> 00:30:28,369
who was a despondent
and morose woman,

649
00:30:28,452 --> 00:30:30,413
and everything went in.

650
00:30:30,496 --> 00:30:35,459
And Eve Black, who had no moral
compunctions about anything

651
00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:39,046
and was childlike and free,
and everything was out.

652
00:30:40,548 --> 00:30:43,175
You like it?

653
00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:44,468
And then there was Jane,

654
00:30:44,552 --> 00:30:47,179
who is completely mature
and sure of itself,

655
00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:50,474
and she moved
almost perpendicular.

656
00:30:50,558 --> 00:30:52,727
Oh, what about Jane?

657
00:30:54,562 --> 00:30:55,646
Jane who?

658
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:57,565
I mean for my name.
Jane.

659
00:30:57,648 --> 00:30:59,066
Well, why Jane?

660
00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:01,527
Why not?

661
00:31:01,611 --> 00:31:02,903
Scorsese: You can't imagine

662
00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:05,281
the power of that performance
in a theater.

663
00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:06,991
At that time,
nobody had seen

664
00:31:07,074 --> 00:31:08,159
anything quite like it.

665
00:31:08,242 --> 00:31:11,412
The impression she made
was so strong.

666
00:31:11,495 --> 00:31:14,290
If she had never done
anything beyond that,

667
00:31:14,373 --> 00:31:15,833
I got to tell you...

668
00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:19,670
so, so much impact.

669
00:31:19,754 --> 00:31:22,715
I got a poem for you.

670
00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:24,508
Jackson:
"I don't go to the movies,

671
00:31:24,592 --> 00:31:28,054
but I have seen
most of Joanne's.

672
00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:30,681
And I remember we took Mother
to see her

673
00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:34,852
when she made
'The Three Faces of Eve.'

674
00:31:34,935 --> 00:31:36,187
It's a limerick.

675
00:31:36,270 --> 00:31:38,439
And of course, when she was
in that bar room

676
00:31:38,522 --> 00:31:41,317
in that spangly dress
carrying on so,

677
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,862
Mother said, 'That can't be
my granddaughter.'"

678
00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:47,573
♪ Don't forsake me ♪

679
00:31:47,657 --> 00:31:50,701
♪ I love you so ♪

680
00:31:50,785 --> 00:31:54,121
Ashmanskas: Things happened
quickly for Joanne,

681
00:31:54,205 --> 00:31:56,832
not so quickly for Paul.

682
00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:59,377
[ Indistinct conversations ]

683
00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,379
What? What?
What? What?

684
00:32:01,462 --> 00:32:04,465
♪ You and you alone ♪

685
00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:07,343
Ruffalo: "Kazan had seen Paul
in 'Picnic.'

686
00:32:07,426 --> 00:32:09,804
Kazan knew his work
from The Actors' Studio.

687
00:32:09,887 --> 00:32:11,681
So Kazan promised Paul

688
00:32:11,764 --> 00:32:14,141
the first audition
for 'East of Eden'...

689
00:32:14,225 --> 00:32:17,353
Wow!
...but Kazan didn't want him
for it.

690
00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:19,563
Paul went through
all the casting

691
00:32:19,647 --> 00:32:21,732
for Curly in 'Oklahoma!'

692
00:32:21,816 --> 00:32:24,777
Paul -- I think
I recalled him saying

693
00:32:24,860 --> 00:32:28,072
he went out
for something like 26 movies."

694
00:32:28,155 --> 00:32:30,950
Ashmanskas: "Of course, he only
got the part in 'Our Town'

695
00:32:31,033 --> 00:32:34,495
because Jimmy Dean
was cast in 'Rebel.'"

696
00:32:35,329 --> 00:32:39,041
"Every part he did get
was a lesser role

697
00:32:39,125 --> 00:32:42,878
that someone better
had passed on."

698
00:32:44,463 --> 00:32:46,215
D'Onofrio:
"I mean, I guess I told you,

699
00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:48,300
I first met Paul in class.

700
00:32:48,384 --> 00:32:50,594
You know, I used to help him
with auditions.

701
00:32:50,678 --> 00:32:53,305
He'd always bring
his girlfriend,

702
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:55,182
I mean, Joanne around.

703
00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:56,976
I didn't really get to know him

704
00:32:57,059 --> 00:32:59,562
until we opened 'Desperate
Hours' on Broadway."

705
00:32:59,645 --> 00:33:01,021
[ Horns honking ]

706
00:33:01,105 --> 00:33:04,316
"And that was a real tough time
for him."

707
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,944
Ruffalo:
"'Desperate Hours' opening,

708
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:08,863
Paul felt quite unfulfilled.

709
00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,073
It was a difficult time,
you know,

710
00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:14,452
because
of the situation with Jackie.

711
00:33:14,535 --> 00:33:16,912
He didn't want to hurt Jackie.

712
00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:18,956
We met at the Russian Tea Room.

713
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:20,249
He brought her there.

714
00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:24,587
Beautiful.
I mean, she was so beautiful.

715
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:26,130
And they were two
very nice people

716
00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:28,591
that just shouldn't
have gotten married."

717
00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:34,889
♪♪

718
00:33:34,972 --> 00:33:41,145
♪♪

719
00:33:41,228 --> 00:33:43,063
Ethan: Um, let's see.

720
00:33:43,147 --> 00:33:44,398
There's one spot in the house

721
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:47,485
that my son says
gets the best Internet,

722
00:33:47,568 --> 00:33:49,153
and maybe I should
have started there.

723
00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:50,488
Stephanie: No worries.

724
00:33:50,571 --> 00:33:52,656
It's just in the middle
of the house.

725
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:55,326
So, um...

726
00:33:55,409 --> 00:34:02,333
Have you had any time
to understand

727
00:34:02,416 --> 00:34:05,795
what happened between --
with my mom?

728
00:34:05,878 --> 00:34:08,547
I would love for you
to tell me about it.

729
00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:14,512
I'll start at the time
of the divorce.

730
00:34:16,096 --> 00:34:21,852
She was destroyed
by it.

731
00:34:21,936 --> 00:34:26,899
She was left with three kids
under the age of 5.

732
00:34:26,982 --> 00:34:29,110
I was a baby

733
00:34:29,193 --> 00:34:32,363
and had to watch my dad
and stepmom

734
00:34:32,446 --> 00:34:35,366
ride off into the sunset
with Hollywood contracts.

735
00:34:35,449 --> 00:34:37,827
And she wanted
to be an actress.

736
00:34:37,910 --> 00:34:39,912
Yes, that's
the perfect reaction.

737
00:34:39,995 --> 00:34:43,290
It was -- It just is --
It's an unbearable story.

738
00:34:43,374 --> 00:34:46,919
Um...

739
00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:48,712
I mean, think about it.

740
00:34:48,796 --> 00:34:50,798
My mom was divorced

741
00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:53,676
and then
Joanne got her Oscar.

742
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:56,720
♪♪

743
00:34:56,804 --> 00:34:58,848
Poltermann: "Here we are
on the 17th of March

744
00:34:58,931 --> 00:35:01,267
taping recollections,
free-flowing,

745
00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:03,185
whatever occurs
to Jackie.

746
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:04,937
I've read her
my questions.

747
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:06,772
So here we go."

748
00:35:06,856 --> 00:35:09,358
When they were thinking about
doing this memoir

749
00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,068
that they did
these transcripts for,

750
00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:15,614
they reached out and asked his
first wife for her point of view

751
00:35:15,698 --> 00:35:20,202
and encouraged her to tell
the truth as she experienced it.

752
00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:25,583
And, um, it's a very powerful
thing to have.

753
00:35:25,666 --> 00:35:30,170
Zoe: "Well, do you want to start
with the first question?"

754
00:35:30,254 --> 00:35:32,590
"Uh, yeah, while we're
talking about it,

755
00:35:32,673 --> 00:35:34,258
you said something
about Paul,

756
00:35:34,341 --> 00:35:38,554
whether he was close
to people or not."

757
00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:43,309
"I said, 'Well, something
along the lines

758
00:35:43,392 --> 00:35:45,144
of partly because
of his background

759
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:47,313
and partly
because of my background

760
00:35:47,396 --> 00:35:49,315
and probably simply
that generation of people

761
00:35:49,398 --> 00:35:52,318
who got married
and their expectations,

762
00:35:52,401 --> 00:35:55,696
I don't think probably
either one of us

763
00:35:55,779 --> 00:35:58,115
had the faintest notion
in the world

764
00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:01,368
of what closeness was.'"

765
00:36:01,452 --> 00:36:05,039
"Do you think that
you were happy?"

766
00:36:05,122 --> 00:36:07,625
"I probably felt
that I ought to be."

767
00:36:09,376 --> 00:36:10,544
"Do you think you were?"

768
00:36:10,628 --> 00:36:12,463
[ Laughs ]

769
00:36:12,546 --> 00:36:14,381
"Um...hmm.

770
00:36:14,465 --> 00:36:18,886
No. I was still in the
generation you never concede.

771
00:36:18,969 --> 00:36:21,472
You married this guy.
And that's it, folks.

772
00:36:21,555 --> 00:36:24,099
Right? You damn well better
make peace with it

773
00:36:24,183 --> 00:36:25,476
some way or another."

774
00:36:27,019 --> 00:36:30,522
"What did you sense?
How ambitious was he?"

775
00:36:30,606 --> 00:36:32,983
"Hmm.

776
00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:35,569
When you hear about people
who struggle for years

777
00:36:35,653 --> 00:36:41,033
becoming famous and they,
you know, they read that

778
00:36:41,116 --> 00:36:42,785
or they hear that about him,

779
00:36:42,868 --> 00:36:46,330
but as far as I'm concerned,
that --

780
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,415
that is not the case.

781
00:36:48,499 --> 00:36:49,917
It fell in his lap."

782
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,710
Man #9: Ladies and gentlemen,
we have just received

783
00:36:51,794 --> 00:36:54,630
a special news bulletin
from the UPI wire.

784
00:36:54,713 --> 00:36:56,632
One of Hollywood's
brightest young stars

785
00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,175
was killed earlier this evening.

786
00:36:58,258 --> 00:37:00,427
Ashmanskas: "Mr. Turnupseed,

787
00:37:00,511 --> 00:37:02,805
who was driving
the car that got in front

788
00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:05,516
of Jimmy Dean's Porsche...

789
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,892
We always had a sort of a joke

790
00:37:06,976 --> 00:37:09,520
that had it not been
for Mr. Turnupseed,

791
00:37:09,603 --> 00:37:11,522
Paul would have never taken
over Jimmy Dean's part

792
00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:12,856
in 'Somebody Up There Likes Me.'

793
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:19,029
And had that not happened,
dot, dot, dot,

794
00:37:19,113 --> 00:37:23,826
which is known
in the trade as an ellipsis."

795
00:37:23,909 --> 00:37:28,372
♪♪

796
00:37:28,455 --> 00:37:34,044
♪ Somebody up there likes me ♪

797
00:37:34,128 --> 00:37:37,798
[ Indistinct conversations ]

798
00:37:37,881 --> 00:37:42,011
♪ Somebody up there cares! ♪

799
00:37:42,094 --> 00:37:43,679
[ Indistinct yelling ]

800
00:37:43,762 --> 00:37:46,181
Without you, I'm just nickels
and dimes. You know that?

801
00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:53,147
♪ Somebody up there
knows my fears ♪

802
00:37:53,230 --> 00:37:55,774
♪ And hears my silent prayers! ♪

803
00:37:55,858 --> 00:37:56,942
Interviewer #6:
People have said --

804
00:37:57,026 --> 00:37:58,068
and I wonder
if it had bugged you

805
00:37:58,152 --> 00:37:59,236
in your career --

806
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,404
have drawn a parallel
all the time

807
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:01,822
between you
and Marlon Brando

808
00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:04,616
and the way you act
and your manner.

809
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,661
Has it irritated you?

810
00:38:07,745 --> 00:38:09,329
Paul:
Well, it's irritated me

811
00:38:09,413 --> 00:38:11,749
because I think that
kind of --

812
00:38:11,832 --> 00:38:14,209
I mean,
it's much easier to say,

813
00:38:14,293 --> 00:38:15,502
"So-and-so
is a young Bill Holden"

814
00:38:15,586 --> 00:38:19,798
or whatever
it happens to be.

815
00:38:19,882 --> 00:38:22,509
So...uh...

816
00:38:22,593 --> 00:38:25,721
I take a rather dim view
of that.

817
00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:28,599
Did he take a dim view
of it, too?

818
00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:30,642
No,
he was there first.

819
00:38:30,726 --> 00:38:33,937
[ Laughter ]

820
00:38:34,021 --> 00:38:35,731
I've been lucky.

821
00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:38,484
Somebody up there
likes me.

822
00:38:38,567 --> 00:38:45,949
♪ Yes, somebody up there ♪

823
00:38:46,033 --> 00:38:48,494
♪ Likes me ♪

824
00:38:48,577 --> 00:38:51,705
Clooney: "In 1943,
I enlisted in the Navy,

825
00:38:51,789 --> 00:38:55,125
joining the V-12 program
to become a pilot.

826
00:38:55,209 --> 00:38:57,544
But when they discovered
that I was colorblind,

827
00:38:57,628 --> 00:38:58,879
they sent me to basic training,

828
00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:02,466
where I became
a rear-seat radioman,

829
00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:06,011
a gunner for torpedo bombers.

830
00:39:06,095 --> 00:39:08,472
In May 1945,

831
00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:10,307
my unit was assigned

832
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:13,727
to aircraft carrier
USS<i> Bunker Hill,</i>

833
00:39:13,811 --> 00:39:16,188
but the pilot developed
an earache

834
00:39:16,271 --> 00:39:18,816
and another crew
was sent in our place.

835
00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:23,403
A few days later, kamikaze
planes attacked<i> Bunker Hill,</i>

836
00:39:23,487 --> 00:39:25,572
killing almost all 400
on board."

837
00:39:25,656 --> 00:39:27,199
Is anybody home?

838
00:39:27,282 --> 00:39:28,951
"When you miss something
like that,

839
00:39:29,034 --> 00:39:31,745
because your pilot happened
to have an earache..."

840
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:34,039
All: Surprise!

841
00:39:34,123 --> 00:39:35,332
Clooney: "...wow.

842
00:39:35,416 --> 00:39:37,501
That's another example
of Newman's luck."

843
00:39:37,584 --> 00:39:44,341
♪♪

844
00:39:44,424 --> 00:39:46,468
[ Applause ]

845
00:39:46,552 --> 00:39:48,679
Moore: I am very delighted
to introduce to you

846
00:39:48,762 --> 00:39:51,515
a young gentleman who is one
of the newer Hollywood stars.

847
00:39:51,598 --> 00:39:55,144
He has recently appeared
as the leading man

848
00:39:55,227 --> 00:39:57,855
in the great picture
"Somebody Up There Likes Me."

849
00:39:57,938 --> 00:40:00,983
Mr. Paul Newman.

850
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:04,194
Zoe: "It just all happened
so incredibly quickly

851
00:40:04,278 --> 00:40:07,364
in terms of his career and...

852
00:40:07,447 --> 00:40:10,951
Life changes and things.

853
00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:14,163
People like Josh Logan
and Elia Kazan

854
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:16,456
and William Inge,
Tennessee Williams.

855
00:40:16,540 --> 00:40:21,044
Six to eight months before
those were only names to Paul."

856
00:40:21,128 --> 00:40:28,093
♪♪

857
00:40:28,177 --> 00:40:29,761
McCarthy:
"I think Joanne Woodward

858
00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:33,015
is one of the best actresses
we've ever had in this country.

859
00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:35,893
And she wanted
the part desperately.

860
00:40:35,976 --> 00:40:39,104
She had such an instinct
for that part.

861
00:40:39,188 --> 00:40:41,773
She had a running head start
on everybody.

862
00:40:41,857 --> 00:40:47,404
And if she had the actor's fear
of working with a 'great actor,'

863
00:40:47,487 --> 00:40:48,864
she met him head on.

864
00:40:48,947 --> 00:40:50,741
It arrived big."

865
00:40:50,824 --> 00:40:54,077
Get your legs on the other side
of the gear shift.

866
00:41:00,709 --> 00:41:02,669
Both of them.

867
00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:07,466
[ Chuckles ]

868
00:41:07,549 --> 00:41:10,677
[ Engine starts ]

869
00:41:10,761 --> 00:41:12,429
D'Onofrio:
I mean, in "Fugitive Kind,"

870
00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:15,140
that outdoor scene
with her and Brando,

871
00:41:15,224 --> 00:41:17,309
oh, my God.

872
00:41:20,812 --> 00:41:22,814
Hear the dead people
talking?

873
00:41:22,898 --> 00:41:24,274
She is just amazing.

874
00:41:24,358 --> 00:41:26,944
You believe every word
that comes out of her mouth.

875
00:41:27,027 --> 00:41:28,904
It's fantastic.

876
00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:30,989
Dead people don't talk.

877
00:41:40,415 --> 00:41:42,167
Sure they do.

878
00:41:44,962 --> 00:41:48,465
They chatter away like birds
here on Wisteria Hill.

879
00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:56,181
But all they can say
is one word.

880
00:42:00,143 --> 00:42:03,814
And that word is "live."

881
00:42:03,897 --> 00:42:07,734
Live. Live.
Live. Live. Live.

882
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:11,989
It's all they know.

883
00:42:12,072 --> 00:42:14,408
That's the only advice
they can give.

884
00:42:19,413 --> 00:42:22,499
It's simple.

885
00:42:22,582 --> 00:42:24,918
Very simple instruction.

886
00:42:26,837 --> 00:42:30,382
Please.
Let me.

887
00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:32,009
Let me.

888
00:42:32,092 --> 00:42:36,513
Clooney: "My meeting with Joanne
gave birth to a sexual being.

889
00:42:36,596 --> 00:42:38,640
She taught me, encouraged me.

890
00:42:38,724 --> 00:42:42,102
She delighted in experiment.

891
00:42:42,185 --> 00:42:44,438
I am simply a creature
of her invention."

892
00:42:44,521 --> 00:42:45,564
Why do you --
Why do you make

893
00:42:45,647 --> 00:42:48,400
such a crazy show
of yourself?

894
00:42:48,483 --> 00:42:52,321
Because
I'm an exhibitionist.

895
00:42:52,404 --> 00:42:53,822
I want people
to know I'm alive.

896
00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:56,158
Don't you want people
to know you're alive?

897
00:42:56,241 --> 00:42:57,576
I just want to live.

898
00:42:57,659 --> 00:42:59,161
I don't care whether they
know I'm alive or not.

899
00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:03,332
Well, I want to be noticed
and seen and heard and felt.

900
00:43:04,374 --> 00:43:07,044
McCarthy:
"Was Paul jealous of Marlon?

901
00:43:07,127 --> 00:43:09,212
Was Paul jealous of Marlon?

902
00:43:09,296 --> 00:43:11,715
Everyone was jealous
of Marlon."

903
00:43:11,798 --> 00:43:13,884
I'd love to hold
something

904
00:43:13,967 --> 00:43:16,219
the way
you hold your guitar.

905
00:43:16,303 --> 00:43:18,055
That's the way I'd love
to hold something.

906
00:43:18,138 --> 00:43:22,934
Ashmanskas: "The great actor
of their generation was Marlon,

907
00:43:23,018 --> 00:43:27,230
and Paul was always
thought of as Marlon 2."

908
00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:29,775
Cannavale: "I don't think Paul
should be envious of him

909
00:43:29,858 --> 00:43:31,735
because Brando --
he's something else."

910
00:43:31,818 --> 00:43:33,111
Sherman: "He was incredible.

911
00:43:33,195 --> 00:43:34,988
Brando was the best young actor
I've ever seen."

912
00:43:35,072 --> 00:43:36,740
Cannavale:
"I don't understand it.

913
00:43:36,823 --> 00:43:38,658
It was like a meteor, you know?"
D'Onofrio: "I have to be frank.

914
00:43:38,742 --> 00:43:42,412
And I, you know,
I mean, I guess if..."

915
00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:46,249
"If Paul is this, you know,
I mean,

916
00:43:46,333 --> 00:43:49,419
he's right to be envious
of Marlon.

917
00:43:49,503 --> 00:43:51,880
I worked with Marlon and Paul
when they were both young.

918
00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:53,548
Marlon, he's a genius.

919
00:43:53,632 --> 00:43:56,218
For my money I'm never gonna
work with anybody like Marlon."

920
00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:58,428
Hawke: Think like
what Karl Malden said

921
00:43:58,512 --> 00:43:59,721
about being in class,

922
00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:02,182
like, he was in class
with Jimmy Dean

923
00:44:02,265 --> 00:44:04,768
and Marlon Brando
and Paul Newman. Right?

924
00:44:04,851 --> 00:44:06,019
Right.

925
00:44:06,103 --> 00:44:08,397
He compares to the tortoise
and hare story

926
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,981
that Brando was the hare.

927
00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:12,859
He just leapt out way
in front of everybody.

928
00:44:12,943 --> 00:44:15,862
And there's little
Shaker Heights Paul Newman

929
00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:17,697
marching like a turtle.

930
00:44:17,781 --> 00:44:19,324
And he describes
sitting there watching...

931
00:44:19,408 --> 00:44:21,076
McCarthy: "There he is
at the beginning of his career,

932
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:22,911
saying,
'I'm not the actor he is.

933
00:44:22,994 --> 00:44:24,413
I'm not the man he is.'

934
00:44:24,496 --> 00:44:26,164
I don't know whether he said,
'I'm not the man he is.'

935
00:44:26,248 --> 00:44:27,791
But 'I'm not the actor he is.

936
00:44:27,874 --> 00:44:29,918
I'm here. He's there.'

937
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:32,879
When you meet him and talk
to him, there's no indication

938
00:44:32,963 --> 00:44:36,466
that this is a man
who's the talent that he has.

939
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:40,804
And it's that seeming normalcy
that fascinates me,

940
00:44:40,887 --> 00:44:45,016
because clearly his life
has been anything but normal.

941
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,019
So it's the exact
opposite of Marlon."

942
00:44:49,855 --> 00:44:51,940
Fly away,
little bird...

943
00:44:53,942 --> 00:44:55,485
...before you get broke.

944
00:44:55,569 --> 00:44:58,321
♪♪

945
00:44:58,405 --> 00:45:00,699
D'Onofrio:
The way I see Marlon Brando

946
00:45:00,782 --> 00:45:05,495
is the perfect example of, like,
that Acting 101

947
00:45:05,579 --> 00:45:09,332
is putting yourself in the
circumstance of the character,

948
00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:11,710
not pretending to be
the character.

949
00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:16,673
You conjure up an emotion
caused by a particular event

950
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:20,218
or a particular somebody
as a choice

951
00:45:20,302 --> 00:45:24,139
and you speak the author's words
through that emotion.

952
00:45:24,222 --> 00:45:26,224
Can you give me
an example

953
00:45:26,308 --> 00:45:28,059
of a line reading
without a choice

954
00:45:28,143 --> 00:45:30,520
and a line reading
with a choice?

955
00:45:30,604 --> 00:45:32,022
Let's just -- Simple stuff.

956
00:45:32,105 --> 00:45:34,065
"It's not right.

957
00:45:34,149 --> 00:45:36,067
Please stop.

958
00:45:36,151 --> 00:45:38,528
It's not good for either of us.

959
00:45:38,612 --> 00:45:41,198
Please stop."

960
00:45:41,281 --> 00:45:43,533
And so right now...

961
00:45:43,617 --> 00:45:45,911
[ Voice breaking ]
...I'm seeing something

962
00:45:45,994 --> 00:45:49,456
that's really important to me.

963
00:45:49,539 --> 00:45:51,458
Really important, okay?

964
00:45:51,541 --> 00:45:54,711
And I could see it
and I can hear him.

965
00:45:54,794 --> 00:45:59,758
I can just speak through it,
like, "Stop.

966
00:45:59,841 --> 00:46:03,512
This is not good for you.
It's not good for me.

967
00:46:03,595 --> 00:46:06,389
Stop."

968
00:46:06,473 --> 00:46:11,603
And -- and that's --
that's what method acting is.

969
00:46:13,438 --> 00:46:15,941
Clooney:
"I keep thinking of myself

970
00:46:16,024 --> 00:46:18,068
as kind of an empty receptacle.

971
00:46:18,151 --> 00:46:19,611
You get your artificial heart.

972
00:46:19,694 --> 00:46:21,696
You get your artificial dick,

973
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:23,490
get your artificial brain.

974
00:46:23,573 --> 00:46:25,367
You got all those things
inside yourself

975
00:46:25,450 --> 00:46:28,620
and you say, "Oh, yeah,
let's try it."

976
00:46:28,703 --> 00:46:30,789
The more important...

977
00:46:30,872 --> 00:46:34,584
"Yet the fictitious part of me,
this celluloid persona,

978
00:46:34,668 --> 00:46:37,462
is accepted all over the world,

979
00:46:37,546 --> 00:46:39,589
but maybe that's not
the person."

980
00:46:41,341 --> 00:46:43,677
"The person I may be

981
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,054
might be the one
Thomas Mann saw in himself --

982
00:46:46,137 --> 00:46:49,307
a terribly boring, ordinary,

983
00:46:49,391 --> 00:46:54,104
prosaic, pedestrian
personality."

984
00:46:54,187 --> 00:46:56,565
D'Onofrio:
You know, who am I?

985
00:46:56,648 --> 00:46:58,108
Who is this guy?

986
00:46:58,191 --> 00:47:01,319
He's you. He's you.

987
00:47:01,403 --> 00:47:03,446
And just do that.

988
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:05,365
Yeah.
That's hard to do.

989
00:47:05,448 --> 00:47:06,700
It's hard to do.

990
00:47:06,783 --> 00:47:09,911
Because it's a big question,
is who am I, right?

991
00:47:09,995 --> 00:47:13,164
♪♪

992
00:47:13,248 --> 00:47:14,583
Kazan:
The only way I can find talent

993
00:47:14,666 --> 00:47:17,002
is to do it very slowly,
to get to know them,

994
00:47:17,085 --> 00:47:19,004
to take a walk with them,
to meet their girlfriend

995
00:47:19,087 --> 00:47:21,172
or their mother and father
and so forth.

996
00:47:21,256 --> 00:47:24,134
Their guards drop
and I find out who they are

997
00:47:24,217 --> 00:47:26,636
and what -- what is inside them,
what their souls are,

998
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:30,932
what -- what materials they have
inside them for our art.

999
00:47:31,016 --> 00:47:34,477
You're in the new
Tennessee Williams play,

1000
00:47:34,561 --> 00:47:35,645
are you not, Mr. Newman?

1001
00:47:35,729 --> 00:47:37,314
Yes, "Sweet Bird of Youth."

1002
00:47:37,397 --> 00:47:38,773
"Sweet Bird of Youth"?
Yes.

1003
00:47:38,857 --> 00:47:40,817
Are you producing
this, directing it?

1004
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:42,235
No, I'm acting in it.

1005
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:43,653
Acting. But you're not
directing or producing?

1006
00:47:43,737 --> 00:47:45,030
No, Mr. Kazan is directing.

1007
00:47:45,113 --> 00:47:47,157
But have you done any
production or direction?

1008
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,326
Hawke: Kazan was
everybody's God, right?

1009
00:47:49,409 --> 00:47:51,995
I mean, he was --
he was Paul Thomas Anderson,

1010
00:47:52,078 --> 00:47:54,664
Spielberg and Quentin rolled
into one, you know what I mean?

1011
00:47:54,748 --> 00:47:57,918
Cannavale: "I first became aware
of him when he was in 'Picnic.'

1012
00:47:58,001 --> 00:48:00,545
I went to see it and
and he was all right.

1013
00:48:00,629 --> 00:48:02,464
It was good.

1014
00:48:02,547 --> 00:48:06,509
Not an exceptional actor.
Not at that.

1015
00:48:06,593 --> 00:48:09,846
You see, there's something
in him that's masked."

1016
00:48:09,929 --> 00:48:11,556
Interviewer #7:
What's your family...

1017
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,352
Merchants
and sporting goods.

1018
00:48:15,435 --> 00:48:17,354
Did you feel that you have
acting in your blood

1019
00:48:17,437 --> 00:48:21,066
or did it come
entirely accidental?

1020
00:48:21,149 --> 00:48:23,693
It was a series
of accidents.

1021
00:48:23,777 --> 00:48:27,072
"He's nervous.
Gets nervous when he's with me.

1022
00:48:27,155 --> 00:48:28,615
I don't know why.

1023
00:48:28,698 --> 00:48:31,284
I never doubted him.

1024
00:48:31,368 --> 00:48:32,744
I don't know him well.

1025
00:48:32,827 --> 00:48:34,704
The only time I never would --

1026
00:48:34,788 --> 00:48:37,749
I -- No,
I never did know Paul well,

1027
00:48:37,832 --> 00:48:40,543
until 'Sweet Bird of Youth,'
you know, with Geri Page.

1028
00:48:40,627 --> 00:48:41,878
I knew him then,

1029
00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:43,880
and he was very good
in 'Sweet Bird of Youth.'

1030
00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:45,507
You know the play?"

1031
00:48:45,590 --> 00:48:46,925
Announcer:
"Sweet Bird of Youth" --

1032
00:48:47,008 --> 00:48:48,843
a powerful Tennessee Williams'
stage success.

1033
00:48:48,927 --> 00:48:50,804
It is a rare appearance
in a premiere

1034
00:48:50,887 --> 00:48:53,556
for the master storyteller,
who, in "Sweet Bird of Youth"...

1035
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,849
Interviewer #8:
Would you say

1036
00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:56,142
that you have
a single theme

1037
00:48:56,226 --> 00:48:57,852
which ran all the way
through your plays

1038
00:48:57,936 --> 00:48:59,396
that you can detect?

1039
00:48:59,479 --> 00:49:04,442
I think that I write mostly
in defense of romanticism.

1040
00:49:04,526 --> 00:49:06,861
Paul:
I couldn't discover

1041
00:49:06,945 --> 00:49:10,115
the romanticism
of merchandising.

1042
00:49:10,198 --> 00:49:12,867
So I started acting.

1043
00:49:15,662 --> 00:49:17,205
I was running away
from something.

1044
00:49:17,288 --> 00:49:18,915
I wasn't running
towards something.

1045
00:49:18,998 --> 00:49:22,502
♪♪

1046
00:49:22,585 --> 00:49:25,588
Clooney:
"Kazan wanted tears of grief.

1047
00:49:25,672 --> 00:49:29,384
He was concerned as to whether
I could deliver that.

1048
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:31,010
As we began to work on it,

1049
00:49:31,094 --> 00:49:33,888
sometimes there'd be a trickle
of a tear.

1050
00:49:33,972 --> 00:49:35,557
When there wasn't,

1051
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,685
I would stare at this light
at the rear of the auditorium.

1052
00:49:38,768 --> 00:49:41,354
I would stare at the light
until my eyes teared up

1053
00:49:41,438 --> 00:49:43,356
because I had
no tolerance for light.

1054
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,359
I could sense a stirring down
there in the audience

1055
00:49:46,443 --> 00:49:49,237
as Kazan moved around
the theater,

1056
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,656
seat to seat from front to back,

1057
00:49:51,740 --> 00:49:54,617
trying to see whether
or not it was real."

1058
00:49:54,701 --> 00:49:57,746
♪♪

1059
00:49:57,829 --> 00:50:02,000
"Once, when I started
the soliloquy,

1060
00:50:02,083 --> 00:50:04,961
it didn't seem to be working.

1061
00:50:05,044 --> 00:50:06,379
I noted with dismay

1062
00:50:06,463 --> 00:50:08,798
that the rear light
had been turned off."

1063
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:12,385
"He must have been wondering,

1064
00:50:12,469 --> 00:50:15,513
'Is that what he's doing,
staring at that light?'"

1065
00:50:17,432 --> 00:50:19,517
"He was having a game with me.

1066
00:50:19,601 --> 00:50:22,187
I was so infuriated
that I had been discovered

1067
00:50:22,270 --> 00:50:25,148
that I actually wept
with frustration.

1068
00:50:25,231 --> 00:50:26,524
Real tears came.

1069
00:50:26,608 --> 00:50:28,276
Of course,
that's fucked him over

1070
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:30,612
worse than anything
I could have invented."

1071
00:50:30,695 --> 00:50:33,823
[ Indistinct conversations ]

1072
00:50:33,907 --> 00:50:38,161
"I finally said, 'You know
what you've signed for

1073
00:50:38,244 --> 00:50:40,163
in 'Sweet Bird of Youth'?

1074
00:50:40,246 --> 00:50:41,915
An emotional Republican."

1075
00:50:41,998 --> 00:50:44,000
[ Horn blaring ]

1076
00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:47,545
♪♪

1077
00:50:47,629 --> 00:50:50,381
[ Thunder and lightning crash ]

1078
00:50:50,465 --> 00:50:52,634
Cannavale:
"There's a sense of shame

1079
00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:55,386
in Paul's part
in 'Sweet Bird of Youth.'

1080
00:50:55,470 --> 00:50:57,639
And it's, I guess,
what I emphasized a lot,

1081
00:50:57,722 --> 00:51:00,141
because I remember
saying that to him."

1082
00:51:00,225 --> 00:51:02,519
May I have something
to wash it down with?

1083
00:51:02,602 --> 00:51:04,187
"I don't know
whether he remembers it or not.

1084
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:06,564
I remember saying to him,
'He's ashamed of himself.'"

1085
00:51:06,648 --> 00:51:08,358
You're not going
to give me water.

1086
00:51:08,441 --> 00:51:10,068
"He's not proud of himself.

1087
00:51:10,151 --> 00:51:12,695
He doesn't know what the hell
to do about it,

1088
00:51:12,779 --> 00:51:14,531
and he's stuck.

1089
00:51:14,614 --> 00:51:17,617
I think there was that in the
performance when you saw it.

1090
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,160
You felt that.

1091
00:51:19,244 --> 00:51:22,038
You felt that he was someone
who had been raised right.

1092
00:51:22,121 --> 00:51:23,414
Even a mama's boy.

1093
00:51:23,498 --> 00:51:27,001
But also he carried that quality
all the time.

1094
00:51:27,085 --> 00:51:28,211
He had it."

1095
00:51:28,294 --> 00:51:33,174
♪ ...deepens Lord, with me... ♪

1096
00:51:33,258 --> 00:51:34,634
Clooney: "All the aspects

1097
00:51:34,717 --> 00:51:37,512
of guys like Chance
are in my own brain.

1098
00:51:37,595 --> 00:51:40,098
They try too hard like me.

1099
00:51:40,181 --> 00:51:43,059
They get hoisted
on their own petards like me."

1100
00:51:43,142 --> 00:51:45,478
♪♪

1101
00:51:45,562 --> 00:51:48,481
"There are deep-seated aspects
of your own personality

1102
00:51:48,565 --> 00:51:52,151
that you can use
if you can access them.

1103
00:51:52,235 --> 00:51:54,070
You don't always have to
go around looking

1104
00:51:54,153 --> 00:51:56,114
and doing research.

1105
00:51:56,197 --> 00:51:59,534
Put simply,
you use your own experience."

1106
00:51:59,617 --> 00:52:05,373
♪♪

1107
00:52:05,456 --> 00:52:08,710
Poltermann: "When did you first
become aware of Joanne?"

1108
00:52:08,793 --> 00:52:12,297
Zoe: "Sometime right after
Stephanie was born,

1109
00:52:12,380 --> 00:52:14,716
I mean, immediately after.

1110
00:52:14,799 --> 00:52:18,553
I certainly remember that
because I was very angry."

1111
00:52:20,638 --> 00:52:23,474
"I felt very betrayed...

1112
00:52:23,558 --> 00:52:26,269
and do still to this day/

1113
00:52:26,352 --> 00:52:28,897
Because...

1114
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:30,648
Uh...Oh.

1115
00:52:30,732 --> 00:52:33,067
What the hell difference
does it make?

1116
00:52:33,151 --> 00:52:38,823
Obviously,
I knew that there was a point

1117
00:52:38,907 --> 00:52:40,617
at which it all
became formalized.

1118
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:43,786
I can't tell you
how that happened,

1119
00:52:43,870 --> 00:52:46,873
because I just don't remember.

1120
00:52:46,956 --> 00:52:50,168
The only thing that I remember
is that I went home alone

1121
00:52:50,251 --> 00:52:53,796
on the subway
to Flushing Meadows,

1122
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,008
feeling bereft."

1123
00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:02,305
"Did you have
any connections with Joanne

1124
00:53:02,388 --> 00:53:03,932
during those years?"

1125
00:53:04,015 --> 00:53:08,603
♪♪

1126
00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:10,063
"I'll tell you something
very funny,

1127
00:53:10,146 --> 00:53:12,106
but you have to
turn the tape off."

1128
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:17,195
[ Cassette player turns off ]

1129
00:53:17,278 --> 00:53:20,156
So were they having
an affair all that time?

1130
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,952
It was five years.
Five years.

1131
00:53:24,035 --> 00:53:27,163
You know.
That's a long time.

1132
00:53:27,246 --> 00:53:29,207
It's a really long time.

1133
00:53:35,296 --> 00:53:38,132
Why are you looking
at me like that?

1134
00:53:38,216 --> 00:53:40,677
Like what, Maggie?

1135
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,762
Like you were
just looking.

1136
00:53:44,597 --> 00:53:47,433
I wouldn't consciously
look at you, Maggie.

1137
00:53:51,312 --> 00:53:53,147
I was conscious of --

1138
00:53:54,816 --> 00:53:58,486
Kazan keeps talking about

1139
00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:03,241
that there's an internal shame
to these Tennessee Williams men.

1140
00:54:03,324 --> 00:54:05,076
"Sweet Bird of Youth,"
"Cat on a Hot Tin Roof."

1141
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:09,706
And he kept asking your father
to tap into his sense of shame.

1142
00:54:09,789 --> 00:54:11,499
And I'm looking
at "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof"

1143
00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:12,834
and "Sweet Bird of Youth,"

1144
00:54:12,917 --> 00:54:14,877
and I'm thinking his affair
with Joanne

1145
00:54:14,961 --> 00:54:18,131
when he was married to your mom
was a really long time.

1146
00:54:18,214 --> 00:54:21,009
I didn't realize that
until I saw this.

1147
00:54:21,092 --> 00:54:25,179
I had no idea
it was going on for so long.

1148
00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:27,557
So that disgust
with mendacity

1149
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,976
is really disgust
with myself.

1150
00:54:30,059 --> 00:54:31,352
And when I hear that...

1151
00:54:31,436 --> 00:54:32,729
Nivola: "The most tenuous
situation in the world

1152
00:54:32,812 --> 00:54:34,439
is the love situation.

1153
00:54:34,522 --> 00:54:37,066
The most delicate flower
of all plants is love.

1154
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:40,778
And we treat it like
it was made of steel."

1155
00:54:40,862 --> 00:54:43,531
I'm ashamed, Big Daddy.
That's why I'm a drunk.

1156
00:54:43,614 --> 00:54:46,409
When I'm drunk,
I can stand myself.

1157
00:54:46,492 --> 00:54:48,077
But it's always there
in the morning, ain't it?

1158
00:54:48,161 --> 00:54:49,328
The truth?

1159
00:54:49,412 --> 00:54:52,415
And it's here right now!

1160
00:54:52,498 --> 00:54:54,459
[ Thunder crashes ]

1161
00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:55,668
You're just feeling sorry
for yourself.

1162
00:54:55,752 --> 00:54:57,253
That's all it is.
Self-pity!

1163
00:54:57,336 --> 00:55:00,548
Nivola: "The way that I approach
making any movie

1164
00:55:00,631 --> 00:55:04,093
is that it's like
a battle in a war."

1165
00:55:04,177 --> 00:55:05,511
You're a 30-year-old kid.

1166
00:55:05,595 --> 00:55:07,638
Soon you'll be
a 50-year-old kid.

1167
00:55:07,722 --> 00:55:11,017
The truth is pain
and sweat and paying bills

1168
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:14,520
and making love to a woman
that you don't love anymore.

1169
00:55:14,604 --> 00:55:16,564
Truth is dreams
that don't come true,

1170
00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:18,900
and nobody prints your name
in the paper till you die.

1171
00:55:18,983 --> 00:55:22,779
"And relationships become
extremely intense

1172
00:55:22,862 --> 00:55:24,989
and close and revealing."

1173
00:55:25,073 --> 00:55:28,284
Now, here.

1174
00:55:28,367 --> 00:55:31,746
"It's like being born
and married and divorced

1175
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:33,706
and growing old
and everything else,

1176
00:55:33,790 --> 00:55:39,295
because the things you learn
are essentials."

1177
00:55:39,378 --> 00:55:42,006
Now, that's the truth.
And that's what you can't face.

1178
00:55:42,090 --> 00:55:44,967
Interviewer #9:
Can we talk very frankly?

1179
00:55:45,051 --> 00:55:47,595
Very frankly is the only way
that we can talk.

1180
00:55:47,678 --> 00:55:50,640
Well, to begin with,
why has there been

1181
00:55:50,723 --> 00:55:52,975
a disturbing note
of coldness

1182
00:55:53,059 --> 00:55:56,312
and violence and anger
in your more recent work?

1183
00:55:56,395 --> 00:55:57,814
Well, I think without
planning to do so,

1184
00:55:57,897 --> 00:56:00,399
I've followed the developing
tension and anger

1185
00:56:00,483 --> 00:56:03,444
and violence of the world
and time that I live in

1186
00:56:03,528 --> 00:56:04,779
through my own...

1187
00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:06,405
Clooney: "The last night
of 'Sweet Bird of Youth,'

1188
00:56:06,489 --> 00:56:09,742
the emotion just got away
from me.

1189
00:56:09,826 --> 00:56:13,037
I couldn't control it.

1190
00:56:13,121 --> 00:56:15,915
I realized that I'd been
involved with a bit of history

1191
00:56:15,998 --> 00:56:18,835
with Geraldine Page
and Tennessee Williams

1192
00:56:18,918 --> 00:56:21,045
and Kazan.

1193
00:56:21,129 --> 00:56:23,005
And now it was gone."

1194
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:26,008
[ Applause ]

1195
00:56:26,092 --> 00:56:28,177
Hawke: You ever meet Paul?

1196
00:56:28,261 --> 00:56:31,180
I met him once
at a charity event.

1197
00:56:31,264 --> 00:56:33,307
They had celebrities

1198
00:56:33,391 --> 00:56:37,311
pass out alcohol
and hors d'oeuvres

1199
00:56:37,395 --> 00:56:39,272
to get rich people
to donate.

1200
00:56:39,355 --> 00:56:40,857
And he looked at me
and he winked.

1201
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:42,066
He said, "You want a beer?"

1202
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:43,818
And I'm like, "Yeah,
I'm gonna take

1203
00:56:43,901 --> 00:56:45,945
a fucking beer from
Paul Newman," you know?

1204
00:56:46,028 --> 00:56:48,239
And I took a beer from him,
and that was it.

1205
00:56:48,322 --> 00:56:52,201
That was the only time
I met him. Did you meet him?

1206
00:56:52,285 --> 00:56:54,745
I met him one time.

1207
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:57,915
He -- He came to see me
backstage.

1208
00:56:57,999 --> 00:57:00,251
I only met Paul and Joanne once.

1209
00:57:00,334 --> 00:57:02,086
They came to see a production

1210
00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:04,714
of Tennessee Williams'
"Camino Real."

1211
00:57:04,797 --> 00:57:06,340
And after the performance,

1212
00:57:06,424 --> 00:57:08,384
they came back to pay
their respect to the actors.

1213
00:57:08,467 --> 00:57:12,597
This is in the late '90s.
They were warm and generous.

1214
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,057
They stood behind me
and we chatted briefly

1215
00:57:15,141 --> 00:57:18,394
as I stared at them
in my dressing-room mirror.

1216
00:57:20,229 --> 00:57:22,899
And then I remembered
an acting teacher

1217
00:57:22,982 --> 00:57:27,737
telling me all about
this small room in Times Square.

1218
00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:31,741
And I imagined a young Paul
and Joanne in that class,

1219
00:57:31,824 --> 00:57:35,494
reciting the actor's vow
as I was made to do.

1220
00:57:35,578 --> 00:57:37,580
-And I will be myself.
-I am not a cosmic orphan.

1221
00:57:37,663 --> 00:57:39,123
-I'm not a cosmic orphan.
-I have no reason to be timid.

1222
00:57:39,207 --> 00:57:42,585
Hawke: It's a vow written
for actors by Elia Kazan.

1223
00:57:42,668 --> 00:57:44,921
-Awkwardly, vulgarly.
-Awkwardly, vulgarly.

1224
00:57:45,004 --> 00:57:46,589
-But respond.
-But respond.

1225
00:57:46,672 --> 00:57:48,633
-I will have my throat open.
-I will have my throat open.

1226
00:57:48,716 --> 00:57:51,135
Woman:
I will have my heart open.

1227
00:57:51,219 --> 00:57:52,762
I will be vulnerable.

1228
00:57:52,845 --> 00:57:54,347
I may have anything
or everything

1229
00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:56,641
the world has to offer,
but the thing I need most

1230
00:57:56,724 --> 00:57:58,935
and want most, is to be myself.

1231
00:57:59,018 --> 00:58:00,019
Man #10:
The thing I need most

1232
00:58:00,102 --> 00:58:01,437
and want most, is to be myself.

1233
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,648
Woman: I will admit rejection,
admit pain,

1234
00:58:03,731 --> 00:58:07,276
admit frustration
and admit even pettiness

1235
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,528
admit shame, admit outrage.

1236
00:58:09,612 --> 00:58:11,155
Man #10: Admit anything and
everything that happens to me.

1237
00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:12,615
Woman: Anything and everything
that happens to me.

1238
00:58:12,698 --> 00:58:15,284
Don't cry, baby,
it's all right.

1239
00:58:15,368 --> 00:58:16,619
It's all right.

1240
00:58:16,702 --> 00:58:20,456
Man #10: The best and most
human parts of me

1241
00:58:20,539 --> 00:58:23,918
are those I have inhabited.

1242
00:58:24,001 --> 00:58:25,461
and hidden from the world.

1243
00:58:25,544 --> 00:58:27,505
Woman: Those I've inhabited
and hidden from the world.

1244
00:58:27,588 --> 00:58:29,048
I will work on it.

1245
00:58:29,131 --> 00:58:30,967
How come all of you
took him for a king?

1246
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:34,136
I may love you, but
I don't like you at all!

1247
00:58:34,220 --> 00:58:35,596
Man #10: I will work on it.

1248
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,807
I will raise my voice.
-I will raise my voice.

1249
00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:38,891
Woman: I will be heard.

1250
00:58:38,975 --> 00:58:40,142
Man #10: I will be heard.

1251
00:58:40,226 --> 00:58:49,485
♪♪

1252
00:58:49,568 --> 00:58:51,946
Clooney: "The glue that held
Joanne and me together

1253
00:58:52,029 --> 00:58:54,115
was that anything
seemed possible."

1254
00:58:54,198 --> 00:58:58,327
♪♪

1255
00:58:58,411 --> 00:58:59,787
"With all other people,

1256
00:58:59,870 --> 00:59:03,291
some things were possible,
but not everything."

1257
00:59:04,959 --> 00:59:08,337
"The promise of everything
was there...

1258
00:59:08,421 --> 00:59:09,630
in the very beginning."

1259
00:59:09,714 --> 00:59:14,760
♪♪

1260
00:59:14,844 --> 00:59:19,056
Allen:
"I think she was, um, torn,

1261
00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:23,352
torn between...
You know what?

1262
00:59:23,436 --> 00:59:26,022
You see, when Paul came out
and told Wade

1263
00:59:26,105 --> 00:59:28,357
that he and Joanne
were gonna be married,

1264
00:59:28,441 --> 00:59:33,029
I can remember he was telling
Wade he had three children.

1265
00:59:33,112 --> 00:59:36,699
And Wade said, 'Well,
I'm telling you one thing, Paul.

1266
00:59:36,782 --> 00:59:39,201
These three children
didn't ask to be born.

1267
00:59:39,285 --> 00:59:43,706
And if I ever see you mistreat
them or not take care of them,

1268
00:59:43,789 --> 00:59:46,208
you will have me to answer to.'"

1269
00:59:46,292 --> 00:59:49,378
♪♪

1270
00:59:49,462 --> 00:59:54,717
"And Paul said, 'You will never
have any problems with me.'"

1271
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:59,638
♪♪

1272
00:59:59,722 --> 01:00:05,186
♪ I had a dream
that you were mine ♪

1273
01:00:05,269 --> 01:00:10,816
♪ I've had that dream
a thousand times ♪

1274
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:16,489
♪ But I don't answer questions ♪

1275
01:00:16,572 --> 01:00:21,452
♪ I just keep on guessing ♪

1276
01:00:21,535 --> 01:00:27,166
♪ My eyes are still open ♪

1277
01:00:27,249 --> 01:00:32,088
♪ The curtains are closing ♪

1278
01:00:32,171 --> 01:00:36,509
♪ But all that I have ♪

1279
01:00:36,592 --> 01:00:41,472
♪ Is this old dream
I must have had ♪

1280
01:00:41,555 --> 01:00:46,894
♪ A thousand times,
a thousand times ♪

1281
01:00:46,977 --> 01:00:52,274
♪ I've had that dream
a thousand times ♪

1282
01:00:52,358 --> 01:00:57,321
♪ A thousand times,
a thousand times ♪

1283
01:00:57,405 --> 01:01:02,618
♪ I've had that dream
a thousand times ♪

1284
01:01:02,701 --> 01:01:06,914
♪ A thousand times,
a thousand times ♪♪

1285
01:01:06,997 --> 01:01:09,291
♪ Shadoobie, shadoobie ♪

1286
01:01:09,375 --> 01:01:12,461
♪ Shadoobie, shadoowah ♪

1287
01:01:12,545 --> 01:01:15,047
♪ Shadoobie, shadoobie ♪

1288
01:01:15,131 --> 01:01:17,425
♪ Shadoobie, shadoowah ♪

1289
01:01:17,508 --> 01:01:20,594
♪ No, this ain't the end ♪

1290
01:01:20,678 --> 01:01:22,805
♪ Shadoobie, shadoowah ♪

1291
01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:28,310
♪ We will laugh
as friends again ♪

1292
01:01:28,394 --> 01:01:31,814
♪ Underneath the pines ♪

1293
01:01:31,897 --> 01:01:33,774
♪ Shadoobie, shadoowah ♪

1294
01:01:33,858 --> 01:01:36,152
♪ We'll be singing ♪

1295
01:01:36,235 --> 01:01:38,988
♪ Hallelujah ♪

1296
01:01:39,071 --> 01:01:41,657
♪ Here in the dark ♪

1297
01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:44,410
♪ Well, you can't see
the stars ♪

1298
01:01:44,493 --> 01:01:46,996
♪ They're sailing away ♪

1299
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:49,290
♪ Just like you always say ♪

1300
01:01:49,373 --> 01:01:54,503
♪ I won't let up, let up ♪

1301
01:01:54,587 --> 01:01:57,840
♪ I won't let up ♪

1302
01:01:57,923 --> 01:02:00,468
♪♪

1303
01:02:00,551 --> 01:02:04,722
♪ Across a crowded room ♪

1304
01:02:04,805 --> 01:02:08,225
♪ You'll hear me yell ♪

1305
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:11,854
♪ I don't let up ♪

1306
01:02:11,937 --> 01:02:15,357
♪ I tried to find you ♪

1307
01:02:15,441 --> 01:02:18,277
♪ But I don't know how ♪

1308
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,196
♪ I don't know how ♪

1309
01:02:20,279 --> 01:02:22,239
♪ I don't know how ♪

1310
01:02:22,323 --> 01:02:27,536
♪ I won't let up,
let up, let up ♪

1311
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:32,958
♪ I won't let up,
let up, let up ♪

1312
01:02:33,042 --> 01:02:38,214
♪ I won't let up,
let up, let up ♪

1313
01:02:38,297 --> 01:02:41,800
♪ I won't let up,
let up, let up ♪