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Ari: Now, don't expect me
to get hysterical
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over the life
of one Jewish child,
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and don't you get hysterical,
either.
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Jewish flesh is cheap, lady.
It is cheaper than beef.
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It is cheaper, even,
than herring.
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Paul: The only thing
my mother ever liked
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about me being a movie star
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was how much it impressed
the Jewish half of my family.
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I'll teach you
a Hebrew toast.
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L'Chaim.
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[ Chuckles ]
I know it.
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To life.
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Good for you.
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She was always
intimidated by them.
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I'm half Protestant,
half Jewish,
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but I've always thought myself
as a Jew...
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because it's harder.
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And half of them
are Communists anyway.
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Yes, and the other half
pawnbrokers.
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They look funny, too.
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I can spot one
a mile away.
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Would you mind
looking into my eye, sir?
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Feels like a cinder.
Mm, certainly.
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You know,
a lot of them
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try to hide
under Gentile names...
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but one look at that face
and you just know.
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With a little experience,
you can even smell them out.
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To quote Theodore Roosevelt,
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"On the one hand,
I would stomp it under foot.
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But on the other hand,
not so fast."
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Convey my respect
to the general.
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That I will.
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Bit of a Jew himself,
you know.
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Not really?
Mm.
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On the one hand, what a plague
my appearance has been.
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On the other hand,
where the hell would I have been
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if I looked like Golda Meir?
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I need 50 eggs.
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Nobody can eat
50 eggs.
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You just said
he could eat anything.
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You ever eat 50 eggs?
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Nobody ever ate 50 eggs.
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Babalugats,
we got a bet here!
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My boy says he can eat 50 eggs,
he can eat 50 eggs.
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Go!
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One...
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two...
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three.
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He's gonna lose a finger,
eating eggs like that.
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He's eating them,
Alibi.
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Ah, he's chewing them.
Just little old eggs.
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They're pigeon eggs, that's all.
Fish eggs, practically.
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Society Red:
Five...four...
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three...two...
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one...zero!
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[ Indistinct shouting ]
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Hold it!
He didn't swallow the last.
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Oh, you think so,
huh?
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Well,
let's take a look here.
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Open that mouth.
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[ Cheering ]
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Rosenberg:
For me, I looked at Luke
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as what legends
are really about.
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How does a legend develop?
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Did Luke really eat 50 eggs,
or is that what makes a legend?
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Announcer:
From the Wild West,
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the princess traveled
back to the present
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to meet Alfred Hitchcock
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and the stars
of a new thriller in the making,
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Julie Andrews and Paul Newman.
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Then they watched
the cameras roll for a scene
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in this new Hitchcock film,
"The Torn Curtain."
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Announcer #2:
On the shoulders of Paul Newman
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as he pursues his
hazardous hobby, go-cart racing.
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♪♪
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[ Man speaking
foreign language ]
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[ Woman speaking French ]
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[ Cheers and applause ]
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[ Camera shutters clicking ]
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[ Camera shutters clicking ]
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[ Woman speaking French ]
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Announcer #3:
A popular choice with the crowd
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as world's favorite actor
and actress,
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Paul Newman and Natalie Wood.
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It's quite a feat to be
as popular in Great Britain
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as you are in Southeast Asia.
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It must be the greatest feeling
in the wide, wide world.
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[ Camera shutter clicking ]
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I want the "Cool Hand Luke"
section to be great.
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Well, yeah.
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What we've got here is
a failure to communicate.
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That's the quintessential
Paul Newman performance,
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is "Cool Hand Luke."
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I mean, that's just like
Nicholson in "Cuckoo's Nest."
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Like,
that is the --
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Denzel, "Malcolm X,"
you know,
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De Niro, "Raging Bull,"
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Paul Newman,
"Cool Hand Luke."
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That's what it is
in my mind, right?
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Nobody can eat 50 eggs.
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Like,
you have a signature,
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and he directed them
in his signature.
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And then he spent his life
really struggling
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to achieve that grace
ever again, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a guy who's thinking back
on 20 years ago
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when he won
the World Series, you know.
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Picture Stuart
with his cigar and a whiskey,
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and he's saying,
"I went to see..."
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What was her name?
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Come on.
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Alicia Alonso,
right?
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Rosenberg: Years ago,
when I lived in New York,
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I went to the ballet
with my wife,
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and we saw Alicia Alonso,
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who had just come out
of an enforced retirement
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because she lost her eyesight
and performed a pied.
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She just went
across the stage twirling
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and never touched the ground.
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And I started crying.
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Man:
21, 22, 23...
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Rosenberg: I don't know anything
about the ballet,
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but I couldn't stop weeping.
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Man:
...30, 31, 32, 33.
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Rosenberg: It's just remarkable
to see someone do so well...
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Get out of my eyeballing seats,
you Newmeat dummy.
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Rosenberg: In those years,
you know, 1967,
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there were two stars
in the world, really,
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two superstar sex symbols.
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That's Paul Newman
and Steve McQueen.
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Paul was a giant. He was it.
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It wasn't any Redford
at this point.
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He read the script.
He read the book.
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And after all,
I was a TV director.
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I had no track record
as a -- as a film director,
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and he committed to the project
because he liked the character
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and he wanted to do it.
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And Paul,
he didn't play the superstar.
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I mean,
he was part of a company,
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and he was a guy
in the trenches working.
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He comes into the situation,
he looks at it, and he says,
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"This is the toughest test
these men have to do,
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and you --
you can do two things.
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You can rebel against the system
by objecting to it,
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or you can rebel against
the system by defeating it.
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♪♪
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You know, that Sisyphus
is a figure of literature
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through the century
that is always
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the perfect symbol
of frustration.
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He's the guy who has to push
the rock up the hill every day,
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and every day,
it rolls back down.
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Camus comes along and made
this startling observation,
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which changed my life.
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Camus says, "Huh.
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Uh-huh. You're all wrong.
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Sisyphus was a happy man because
he knew what his job was."
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That's it.
That's the end of it.
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What do we do now?
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Nothing.
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Rosenberg: I mean,
that's a remarkable observation
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that Camus made,
that Sisyphus was happy
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and there must have been a smile
on his face in accomplishing it.
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There is a tremendous sense
of accomplishment.
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[ Laughter ]
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The best thing I can say about
Paul is that working with him,
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you feel that it's possible
to achieve that grace.
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He always made me feel
that I could get
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that one moment of glory.
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You know, the one
that Thomas Wolfe talks about
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that maybe I could get
that one moment this time,
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those golden moments.
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[ Projector whirring ]
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Melissa:
My dad always described himself
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as an emotional Republican,
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and I think that's what
he struggled with as an actor,
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was trying not to paste emotion
on the outside,
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trying to dig in.
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I wonder if he ever
accessed that emotion
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from experiences
he had as a child.
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I'm leaving the place
to John.
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I just...
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I just never
give John the...
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the kind of, you know,
feeling that I give you,
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so I'm -- I'm --
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I'm gonna
pay him back now.
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Sometimes,
you just...
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just have
a feeling for a child.
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else you don't.
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With John,
I just didn't.
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[ Whistles ]
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I got to go,
Arletta.
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Yeah, well...
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laugh it up,
kid.
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You'll --
You'll make out.
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Rosenberg: I felt that something
had to be done to pay tribute
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to the memory
of this crusty old dame
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who came out to visit Luke,
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and I felt the audience
would feel cheated
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if he didn't pay
some sort of tribute to her.
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This is an inarticulate
guy here.
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This is an uneducated guy
that Paul was playing.
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I mean, he can't make a speech
about his mother.
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One day, I found an old jingle
that was used
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by a Southern firm, actually,
that made religious objects.
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You know,
get yourself a plastic Jesus.
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His mother's dead.
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And I told Paul, and God
bless him, it's fantastic.
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He said, "Let's do it."
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Problem is,
Paul's not a musician.
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He had to learn
the chords on the banjo.
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I didn't want to do it with him
in cuts, you know?
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I wanted to just
slowly come in and...
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The point that I'm making here
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is I went to the dressing room
at the lunch break,
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and he showed me
what he was doing.
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And I came out,
and I said to myself,
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"It's too, uh...
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I mean, he's done it too well."
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I hope -- I don't think he knows
this story to this day.
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What I had to do with Paul
was disturb him a little.
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I said, "Paul, shit,
we got a copyright problem.
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You have to reverse
the first line
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and the second line."
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He said,
"Oh, for Christ's sakes,
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all that -- after all
that fucking -- God damn it."
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So we roll the camera,
get the sticks, and he starts.
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♪ I don't care
if it rains or freezes ♪
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Rosenberg:
And it's fucking brilliant.
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♪ Long as I got
my plastic Jesus ♪
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♪ Sitting on the dashboard
of my car ♪
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♪ Comes in colors
pink and pleasant ♪
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♪ Glows in the dark
'cause it's iridescent ♪
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♪ Take him with you ♪
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♪ When you travel far ♪
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Melissa:
One scene comes to mind,
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and it always makes me cry
and it seems so genuine.
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It's in "Cool Hand Luke"
when he's singing --
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when he's playing the ukulele
and singing "Plastic Jesus."
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I'm not sure what aspects
of his childhood
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or his -- or his youth
he was drawing on...
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but he seemed to have
tapped into something
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in that moment.
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Gets me every time.
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♪ 'Cause I got the Virgin Mary ♪
255
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♪ Assuring me that I won't go
to Hell ♪
256
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Stern: Did you ever
see Paul cry?
257
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McDonald: No.
258
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♪ Get yourself a sweet Madonna ♪
259
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Never?
260
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Did you ever feel
that he needed comfort?
261
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Did you ever feel called on
to comfort him?
262
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[ Sighs ]
263
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I don't think he left himself
open for that.
264
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♪ Assuring me that I won't go
to Hell ♪
265
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[ Train whistle blows ]
266
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♪♪
267
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Rosenberg:
Paul was born in Cleveland.
268
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At 18, he enlisted in the Navy.
269
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He was a radio gunman,
third class on torpedo planes
270
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in the Pacific in
the Second World War in Hawaii,
271
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Guam, and Saipan.
272
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He was discharged in 1946,
273
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and he attended Kenyon College,
where he was an economics major
274
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until he switched
to English and speech.
275
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And he spent his summers
in Stockton,
276
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because by then, he had decided
he ought to be an actor.
277
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♪♪
278
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Well, tell me about
the stock company,
279
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where you first
met Paul.
280
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How did
all that happen?
281
00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,980
Well...
282
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♪♪
283
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...must have read
in the paper
284
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or heard
somehow or another
285
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that the Belfry Players
were having auditions,
286
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and I went
and read for them.
287
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I can't remember the plot,
if there was any,
288
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to "John Loves Mary."
289
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I think John
had a funny sidekick
290
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and something like that,
and that was Paul.
291
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♪♪
292
00:13:59,715 --> 00:14:03,343
Well, what can you tell me about
your first times with Paul?
293
00:14:03,427 --> 00:14:05,470
Do you believe in
love at first sight?
294
00:14:05,554 --> 00:14:07,806
No.
295
00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:09,975
Neither do I.
296
00:14:10,058 --> 00:14:13,312
I believe in confusion.
297
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McDonald: We'd spend
a lot of time together.
298
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We were both there
for the entire summer
299
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and probably through,
you know,
300
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hidden needs of our own
to escape
301
00:14:22,571 --> 00:14:24,823
from whatever
was holding each of us.
302
00:14:24,906 --> 00:14:29,036
We must have decided
we were each other's salvation.
303
00:14:29,119 --> 00:14:36,501
♪♪
304
00:14:36,585 --> 00:14:39,171
Stern: What about
the wedding itself?
305
00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:41,506
I remember
it being very lovely,
306
00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:43,342
lots of snow.
307
00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:46,345
My bridesmaids
wore deep wine
308
00:14:46,428 --> 00:14:50,182
and I think
a deep green velvet.
309
00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:51,683
♪♪
310
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How was Paul?
311
00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:56,521
[ Chuckles ]
I don't know.
312
00:14:56,605 --> 00:14:59,441
I guess he was okay.
It's funny, I don't remember.
313
00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:00,859
I really don't remember.
314
00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:03,904
♪♪
315
00:15:03,987 --> 00:15:07,783
We went from the wedding
to Woodstock.
316
00:15:07,866 --> 00:15:11,370
We were in
a Stockholm theater,
317
00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:14,081
and, you know,
that's when his father died.
318
00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:16,375
♪♪
319
00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:18,543
They --
right as they get married,
320
00:15:18,627 --> 00:15:19,878
Paul's father dies,
321
00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:23,048
so he has to take over
the sporting-goods store
322
00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:24,549
for his father.
323
00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:26,635
And now he's running
a sporting-goods store.
324
00:15:26,718 --> 00:15:30,013
He's like 22,
right?
325
00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:32,599
Stern:
Did you go to the funeral?
326
00:15:32,683 --> 00:15:35,018
McDonald:
Yes. I must have.
327
00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:37,562
Do you remember
that trip?
328
00:15:37,646 --> 00:15:39,898
I remember
I was impressed.
329
00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:41,316
[ Chuckles ]
330
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,904
It seemed to me to be
a very affluent neighborhood.
331
00:15:45,987 --> 00:15:48,448
I remember that I ate
my first lobster.
332
00:15:48,532 --> 00:15:51,368
I remember I had a --
that I had a new dress
333
00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:55,747
and that it was, what,
little knife pleats of taffetta,
334
00:15:55,831 --> 00:15:59,793
and his mother, Theresa,
I'm sure accidentally,
335
00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:02,087
spilled something,
lobster butter,
336
00:16:02,170 --> 00:16:03,255
all over the pleats.
337
00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:05,173
And they were never
the same.
338
00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:07,509
That I remember.
339
00:16:09,678 --> 00:16:12,848
And what about
Paul's reaction?
340
00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:14,933
He was terribly upset.
341
00:16:17,227 --> 00:16:18,770
But I can't really,
in my mind,
342
00:16:18,854 --> 00:16:20,772
separate the upsetment
over the actual death
343
00:16:20,856 --> 00:16:22,566
from the upsetment of having
to fit into the mold
344
00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:26,069
of the Newman-Stern
sporting-goods company.
345
00:16:26,153 --> 00:16:29,573
Why do you think
he was doing it?
346
00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,783
Guilt, probably.
347
00:16:31,867 --> 00:16:36,204
I think that his mother
just about fell apart,
348
00:16:36,288 --> 00:16:38,874
that she felt...
349
00:16:38,957 --> 00:16:41,585
truly felt somehow
to keep her going
350
00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:45,005
that she had to some kind of
control over her two sons.
351
00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:47,841
It was very important to her
that they both stay
352
00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:50,427
with the
Newman-Stern Company.
353
00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:52,429
♪♪
354
00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:58,101
I mean, I think his mother
was totally unconscious
355
00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:01,062
of how oppressive
she was.
356
00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:03,648
I remember
where someone --
357
00:17:03,732 --> 00:17:06,526
even someone
as young and naive as me,
358
00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:08,820
thought,
"No, come on."
359
00:17:08,904 --> 00:17:10,822
♪♪
360
00:17:10,906 --> 00:17:13,867
The relatives came to the house
after the funeral.
361
00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:15,994
It was somewhere
around that time.
362
00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:19,539
She was sitting there with Paul
and his brother, Arthur.
363
00:17:19,623 --> 00:17:21,500
She's telling
the story about
364
00:17:21,583 --> 00:17:23,835
how popular
Paulie always was
365
00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:26,630
and how the girls used to
call here all the time
366
00:17:26,713 --> 00:17:29,216
and on and on and on
about how popular Paulie was,
367
00:17:29,299 --> 00:17:30,425
da da da da da.
368
00:17:30,509 --> 00:17:33,094
And then,
I'll never forget it.
369
00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:36,807
She looked over
at Arthur and said,
370
00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:40,977
"And they never called you,
did they, honey?"
371
00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:43,980
Don't be hard
on yourself.
372
00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:47,859
♪♪
373
00:17:47,943 --> 00:17:51,029
I thought, "Gee, what kind of
monster is this woman?"
374
00:17:51,112 --> 00:17:53,156
...my mother.
375
00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,659
What do you know?
376
00:17:55,742 --> 00:17:58,370
Hawke: Paul starts
drinking up a storm
377
00:17:58,453 --> 00:17:59,746
because he doesn't
want to be
378
00:17:59,830 --> 00:18:01,706
running this
sporting-goods store,
379
00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:05,669
and he finally gets up the guts
to leave his mom.
380
00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:08,338
And he takes them and he goes
to Yale to study acting,
381
00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:11,550
and it was very upsetting
to the family.
382
00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:14,052
Do you still like me
a little?
383
00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:16,721
I love you,
Mother.
384
00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,139
Even when
I'm like this?
385
00:18:18,223 --> 00:18:19,933
McDonald:
I mean, this woman --
386
00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:21,726
she told me that
when Paul was young,
387
00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:24,396
and I don't know
how young anymore,
388
00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:26,106
that he did
this peculiar thing.
389
00:18:26,189 --> 00:18:28,859
He stood on his bed,
rocking back and forth,
390
00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:30,151
hurting himself
391
00:18:30,235 --> 00:18:32,445
or doing something,
something or other,
392
00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:34,281
and she went
to the doctor.
393
00:18:34,364 --> 00:18:36,908
And I doubt it was the child
psychologist at that time,
394
00:18:36,992 --> 00:18:42,080
and this doctor's solution
for this problem
395
00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:43,707
was to get a harness
396
00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:46,084
and put it on Paul
at night
397
00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:49,254
that evidently would fasten
to both sides of the bed.
398
00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:51,381
And I don't know whether Paul
remembers that at the time,
399
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,925
but I remember thinking,
"God, that's awful."
400
00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:57,596
♪♪
401
00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:00,140
Stern: He remembers
being tied down.
402
00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:03,435
Both boys remember
banging their heads.
403
00:19:03,518 --> 00:19:06,438
Ah, that was it,
banging the heads.
404
00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:08,940
[ Chuckles ]
Oh, yes. Wonderful.
405
00:19:09,024 --> 00:19:10,901
The banging
of the heads.
406
00:19:10,984 --> 00:19:12,068
She told me --
407
00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:13,778
She told me
that the doctor told her
408
00:19:13,862 --> 00:19:16,323
that's something
only Jewish kids do.
409
00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:19,951
♪♪
410
00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:21,328
Only Jewish kids?
411
00:19:21,411 --> 00:19:22,579
Mm-hmm.
412
00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:26,458
"Only Jewish kids
do that."
413
00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:29,127
That's fascinating.
414
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:31,588
I wonder what it was
that drove them to do that,
415
00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:35,133
to just go in there
and bang their heads to the wall
416
00:19:35,216 --> 00:19:37,302
on a fairly regular basis.
417
00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:39,804
I don't know.
418
00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:48,647
♪♪
419
00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:49,940
♪♪
420
00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:52,317
Paul: My mother and I
just didn't get along.
421
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,487
The second year, Joanne and I
were living in New York
422
00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,155
in the apartment on 11th Street.
423
00:19:57,238 --> 00:19:58,490
Joanne said, "Why don't you
424
00:19:58,573 --> 00:19:59,991
invite your mother up
for Christmas?"
425
00:20:00,075 --> 00:20:01,409
I said, "Fine."
426
00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:03,244
She came in and said,
427
00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,163
"What a beautiful place
you have here, Paul,
428
00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:06,873
all these lovely things,
429
00:20:06,957 --> 00:20:09,542
but you take it all
out of that business,
430
00:20:09,626 --> 00:20:11,169
that terrible business
431
00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:14,631
that's filled with nothing
but bile and pornography.
432
00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,176
Oh, what you could have done
if you'd only tried."
433
00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:24,307
♪♪
434
00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,227
One day, I was driving
or somewhere in the city.
435
00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:31,606
Suddenly, my mother said,
"I know why your wife hates me.
436
00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:36,152
Because I know she's having
an affair with Gore Vidal."
437
00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:39,030
[ Scoffs ] I couldn't talk.
438
00:20:39,114 --> 00:20:42,659
♪♪
439
00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:43,994
Luke...
440
00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:45,370
What you doing?
441
00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:46,997
I jammed on the brakes,
442
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,708
opened the door, and said,
"Get the fuck out of this car."
443
00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:53,962
Pushed her out on the corner
of 18th Street and Fifth Avenue
444
00:20:54,045 --> 00:20:55,588
and left her there.
445
00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:01,428
We didn't speak again
for 15 years.
446
00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,645
What we got here
is a failure to communicate.
447
00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:12,605
[ Gunshot ]
448
00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:20,613
Luke! Luke!
449
00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:35,837
Rosenberg: After the first
screening we had at Westwood,
450
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,047
the lights went on,
451
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,258
and the audience
was absolutely still.
452
00:21:40,341 --> 00:21:42,594
And they came running to me,
you know, the studio,
453
00:21:42,677 --> 00:21:43,928
"They don't like it."
454
00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:45,263
And I said, "Wait a second,
what do you --
455
00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:46,598
what do you want them to do,
applaud?
456
00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:48,808
The hero's just been killed,
you know?
457
00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:51,603
They're gonna go out there
and they're gonna think about it
458
00:21:51,686 --> 00:21:54,230
and they're gonna talk
about it."
459
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:56,274
Go get him.
460
00:22:00,612 --> 00:22:03,490
Vidal: I think he will be
remembered for something that
461
00:22:03,573 --> 00:22:09,746
in a curious way is very like
Henry Fonda, Gary Cooper.
462
00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:14,292
They are so good,
no one knows they're any good.
463
00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:19,964
And you can achieve a kind of
perfection as a film actor
464
00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:23,802
that the people who --
overexcited types
465
00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:28,681
who believe in the auteur theory
don't notice.
466
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:39,818
♪♪
467
00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:41,569
♪♪
468
00:22:41,653 --> 00:22:46,241
Ritt: Faith is one of the most
important items in the equipment
469
00:22:46,324 --> 00:22:50,537
of the actor, writer, director.
470
00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:55,500
I have faith in the material
and the people I'm working with,
471
00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:56,918
and that faith is --
472
00:22:57,001 --> 00:23:00,088
that purity,
because that's what faith is --
473
00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:02,340
it's impossible to fake.
474
00:23:02,423 --> 00:23:06,803
And when you have it,
it's a thing of beauty.
475
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:09,848
You got two ways to go --
put it down or use it.
476
00:23:09,931 --> 00:23:12,851
♪♪
477
00:23:12,934 --> 00:23:15,520
Even if you tie me,
you're gonna be dead.
478
00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,148
♪♪
479
00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:20,358
You persuaded me.
480
00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:21,860
♪♪
481
00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:25,363
Vidal: Newman -- oh, yeah,
he was good. He was good.
482
00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,366
Cooper -- yeah, he was good.
He was good.
483
00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:29,617
Fonda -- Oh, yeah.
484
00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,327
He was always very good.
485
00:23:31,411 --> 00:23:33,788
He wasn't acting, though.
486
00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:35,081
[ Chuckles ]
487
00:23:35,165 --> 00:23:43,423
♪♪
488
00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:45,175
♪♪
489
00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:49,304
Woman: If any of you listening
or live in or around Westport,
490
00:23:49,387 --> 00:23:50,889
they have really,
truly one of
491
00:23:50,972 --> 00:23:52,473
the most enchanting homes
I've ever seen.
492
00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:55,643
It's right on
a lovely pastoral stream.
493
00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,770
Just trying to get rid
of my chewing gum.
494
00:23:57,854 --> 00:23:59,147
Well, don't --
495
00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:00,773
please don't put your
chewing gum in my ear, Paul.
496
00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:02,066
[ Chuckles ]
497
00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,903
Tell us a bit --
Tell us about your children.
498
00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:08,031
Well, there's six of them,
and they're marvelous children.
499
00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,657
What else can I say?
500
00:24:09,741 --> 00:24:14,829
♪♪
501
00:24:14,913 --> 00:24:17,498
I think people
should think so carefully
502
00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,000
before they have children
503
00:24:19,083 --> 00:24:21,920
because people are very often
so cavalier about it.
504
00:24:22,003 --> 00:24:23,963
They think of this lovely
little bundle, you know,
505
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,967
without thinking it's going to
grow up to be a gawky teenager
506
00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:29,844
with a lot
of long hair.
507
00:24:29,928 --> 00:24:33,097
And we may still need to be
loved and hugged and kissed,
508
00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:35,099
even if he is
tall and gawky.
509
00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:37,602
♪♪
510
00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,479
Man:
How different is it
511
00:24:39,562 --> 00:24:43,608
for a woman to bring up a child
she has not borne
512
00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:46,110
compared to the one
she has?
513
00:24:46,194 --> 00:24:48,238
I mean, I have three
who aren't mine --
514
00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:49,781
I don't have them,
515
00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,950
but I have been blessed
with them for many, many years,
516
00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:54,744
and I have three that are --
that I bore.
517
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:56,955
I could not
in any way say
518
00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:59,082
that I love one
more than the other.
519
00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:01,084
I mean, they're --
520
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:05,880
As much as any other person
can be yours,
521
00:25:05,964 --> 00:25:08,132
they're mine.
522
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:12,512
♪♪
523
00:25:12,595 --> 00:25:14,847
Hawke: I guess
I wanted to ask you,
524
00:25:14,931 --> 00:25:16,683
when did you get
that tattoo?
525
00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:23,815
Stephanie: Oh, I got that
about...five years ago.
526
00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:27,068
I got it facing me
on my forearm
527
00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:28,444
because I wanted
to be able
528
00:25:28,528 --> 00:25:31,197
to read it
all the time.
529
00:25:31,281 --> 00:25:33,825
And just as
a reminder,
530
00:25:33,908 --> 00:25:36,035
even though
I don't really need one,
531
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,164
but she...
uh...
532
00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:42,166
Joanne was
one of the best things
533
00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:43,835
that ever happened
to me.
534
00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:47,422
And she gave me
my sisters,
535
00:25:47,505 --> 00:25:48,673
because she
could have been
536
00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:50,800
a different
kind of stepmother
537
00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,844
that was
totally uninterested
538
00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:57,974
in keeping up
with Pop's other children.
539
00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,685
She embroidered me
pillows.
540
00:26:00,768 --> 00:26:03,479
I have postcards
and letters from her
541
00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:06,566
from all over
the world.
542
00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:07,900
Melissa:
She worked really hard
543
00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:10,361
to make sure
that we were a family,
544
00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:13,031
and I don't think it necessarily
would have happened
545
00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:16,034
the way it did
if it had just been my father.
546
00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:20,330
She advocated to make --
to make us a family,
547
00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:24,375
and it was a complicated --
an obviously complicated family.
548
00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,545
Woman: I know two -- two of them
take dancing lessons now,
549
00:26:27,628 --> 00:26:30,048
And I believe they had their
first dancing lessons this week.
550
00:26:30,131 --> 00:26:31,591
And then, of course,
you have the baby.
551
00:26:31,674 --> 00:26:33,092
The dancing lessons,
incidentally,
552
00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:34,469
are really
quite marvelous.
553
00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:39,223
The eldest one
of the second batch is 7,
554
00:26:39,307 --> 00:26:40,767
and she thinks
she's a horse.
555
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:43,061
She gets in her dance class,
really.
556
00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:45,730
[ Laughs ]
557
00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:46,856
Very good!
558
00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:48,816
Yes, I thought it was
a rather good horse.
559
00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,195
♪♪
560
00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,531
Ritt: Paul is...
561
00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:57,742
very demanding.
562
00:26:57,825 --> 00:26:59,243
I mean, he has to be.
563
00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:01,579
I mean, I made -- I made
a couple of pictures with him
564
00:27:01,662 --> 00:27:03,581
that were flawed.
565
00:27:03,664 --> 00:27:09,921
♪♪
566
00:27:10,004 --> 00:27:12,590
You -- You know me,
do ya?
567
00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:14,634
I don't think he work--
wants to work with me again,
568
00:27:14,717 --> 00:27:17,220
and I don't --
I don't blame him for that.
569
00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:20,765
From his point of view,
"Paris Blues" was flawed.
570
00:27:20,848 --> 00:27:24,811
I don't think he really liked
any picture we did together,
571
00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:26,229
except for "Hud."
572
00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:29,440
He thought "The Long,
Hot Summer" was flawed.
573
00:27:29,524 --> 00:27:31,776
He thought "Hombre" was flawed.
574
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,403
Woman:
...plays an Apache Indian.
575
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,446
[ Chuckles ]
Get a good look at this hairdo.
576
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:39,409
Everyone was constantly ribbing
him about looking like a Beatle.
577
00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:42,620
I hope this movie doesn't
make the trend any worse.
578
00:27:42,703 --> 00:27:46,916
Please! Please, help me!
579
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,960
Paul: The theme of "Hombre"
was that ultimately,
580
00:27:49,043 --> 00:27:50,962
the competent people
pick up the tab
581
00:27:51,045 --> 00:27:52,964
for all the incompetent people.
582
00:27:53,047 --> 00:27:55,091
The plot
has all these incompetents
583
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,593
screwing it up until finally,
my character arrives
584
00:27:57,677 --> 00:27:59,512
to save their asses
and gets killed.
585
00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:01,347
It was a good idea.
586
00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,725
Lady, up there
in those mountains,
587
00:28:04,809 --> 00:28:08,479
there's a whole people
who've lost everything.
588
00:28:08,563 --> 00:28:11,482
They don't have a place left
to spread their blankets.
589
00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,526
They've been insulted,
590
00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:17,405
diseased,
made drunk and foolish.
591
00:28:17,488 --> 00:28:19,532
Now, you call the men
who did that Christians,
592
00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:20,741
and you trust them.
593
00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:23,077
I know them as white men,
and I don't.
594
00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:25,329
Ritt:
He was extremely good in it.
595
00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:26,706
I mean,
it was one of the best things
596
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:28,082
he's ever done in his life.
597
00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:32,503
I mean, but I think
he thought it was flawed.
598
00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:34,964
Paul: When I see the image
on the screen
599
00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:36,924
of that goddamn
self-conscious movie star
600
00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:39,218
with blue eyes
playing an Indian...
601
00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,470
What's that?
602
00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:42,680
How are you gonna
get down that hill?
603
00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:44,849
[ Scoffs ] ...it doesn't
come together for me.
604
00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:46,184
Now, you hold on.
605
00:28:46,267 --> 00:28:49,020
I'm going down this hill
the same way I come up it.
606
00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,688
You hear me?
Now, you just hold on.
607
00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,356
Just you hold on there.
608
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,526
Ritt: But -- But they were not
like "Towering Inferno."
609
00:28:55,610 --> 00:29:00,031
I mean, [Chuckles] they were not
overt exploitations.
610
00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:01,574
That's what that film was.
611
00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:03,034
Put your arms
around me,
612
00:29:03,117 --> 00:29:04,744
and you tell me
what to do, okay?
613
00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:07,205
I mean, I know he's had
a lot of money pressures.
614
00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:09,165
You know, I get it. I get it.
615
00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:15,713
He's always had enormous hits
with that George Roy Hill.
616
00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:20,051
I mean,
I saw the "Sundance" Film.
617
00:29:20,134 --> 00:29:22,929
It's a very entertaining film.
618
00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:32,939
♪♪
619
00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,817
♪♪
620
00:29:36,901 --> 00:29:39,820
Hawke: You probably
have a martini.
621
00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:43,407
You're nervous about
Paul writing a memoir
622
00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:45,910
because you don't think
it's a good idea.
623
00:29:45,993 --> 00:29:47,745
But you know
that your job here
624
00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:49,914
is to be
as honest as possible
625
00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:52,250
and still be
a great best friend.
626
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,252
Right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
627
00:29:54,335 --> 00:29:56,671
♪♪
628
00:29:56,754 --> 00:29:58,256
Hill:
When Paul came on set,
629
00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:01,759
I noticed he had a large jar
of underarm deodorant,
630
00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:03,928
the dryness stuff
that he puts under his arms,
631
00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:05,930
and he had
three changes of shirts.
632
00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,268
And I didn't ask him about it,
but it kind of made me curious.
633
00:30:11,686 --> 00:30:14,063
And then I realized
that he was so nervous,
634
00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:16,983
he had to change T-shirts
all the time.
635
00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:18,442
This gave me great hope
636
00:30:18,526 --> 00:30:21,779
because I don't trust an actor
who's not nervous.
637
00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,782
♪♪
638
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:28,286
That sultry, hip-swinging,
brooding American male --
639
00:30:28,369 --> 00:30:31,289
that was his persona,
but it wasn't Paul.
640
00:30:31,372 --> 00:30:33,165
When Paul had a chance
to shed that,
641
00:30:33,249 --> 00:30:36,419
he found such joy in it.
642
00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:38,629
Butch: Boy, you know, every time
I see Hole-in-the-Wall again,
643
00:30:38,713 --> 00:30:42,133
it's like seeing it fresh
for the first time,
644
00:30:42,216 --> 00:30:43,676
and every time
that happens...
645
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,219
He was able to play himself
in Butch,
646
00:30:45,303 --> 00:30:46,637
to finally learn to relax.
647
00:30:46,721 --> 00:30:49,640
He didn't have to push,
and I think that role
648
00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:52,810
may have helped him
into what he later became.
649
00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:55,896
What's your idea
this time?
Bolivia.
650
00:30:58,065 --> 00:30:59,191
What's Bolivia?
651
00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:01,068
Bolivia.
That's a country, stupid.
652
00:31:01,152 --> 00:31:03,362
Man: Was it you who, in effect,
gave Redford's career
653
00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:05,114
that nudge upwards,
as it were?
654
00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:06,616
Paul:
That was Joanne's idea.
655
00:31:06,699 --> 00:31:08,242
Ah.
Tell me about it.
656
00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,661
I think she read the script
and she said, "It's marvelous,
657
00:31:10,745 --> 00:31:14,665
and the only guy that can
play it is Bob Redford."
658
00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:18,252
Redford: The studio
didn't want me for the film.
659
00:31:18,336 --> 00:31:20,796
They wanted somebody
as well-known as Paul,
660
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,091
and he stood up for me.
661
00:31:24,175 --> 00:31:26,010
I don't know how many people
would have done that
662
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:31,223
and they would listen to their
agents or the studio powers.
663
00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:34,685
Hill: Actors can sometimes
be a terrible pain in the ass
664
00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:36,437
with their jealousy
of each other,
665
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,397
but on this one, even though
they didn't know each other
666
00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:39,899
before they started,
667
00:31:39,982 --> 00:31:41,692
Bob and Paul
consciously established
668
00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:43,986
a relationship
that was excellent
669
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,988
that included Redford's
having to laugh
670
00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,699
at all of Newman's
god-awful jokes.
671
00:31:48,783 --> 00:31:50,868
And Newman had to put up
with Redford showing up
672
00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:53,704
anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes
late all the time.
673
00:31:53,788 --> 00:31:57,917
And he kept telling Paul
to not try to be funny.
674
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,378
"You have to trust
that you are funny."
675
00:32:00,461 --> 00:32:03,381
You're one of the funniest guys
I have ever hung out with,
676
00:32:03,464 --> 00:32:06,008
but never because -- never when
you're trying to be funny.
677
00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:07,510
Hamilton:
Right, right, right.
678
00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,012
Bet on Logan.
679
00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:13,265
I would,
but who'd bet on you?
680
00:32:13,349 --> 00:32:15,851
Sundance...
681
00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:21,232
when we're done, if he's dead,
you're welcome to stay.
682
00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:22,441
[ Clears throat ]
683
00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:23,734
Listen, I don't mean
to be a sore loser,
684
00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,319
but when it's done,
if I'm dead...
685
00:32:25,403 --> 00:32:26,737
kill him.
686
00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:28,197
Love to.
687
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,951
Redford: Both of us were
fundamentally American actors
688
00:32:32,034 --> 00:32:34,745
with the qualities and virtues
689
00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:38,332
that characterize
American actors -- irreverence.
690
00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:39,875
No, no, not yet.
691
00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:42,586
Not until me and Harvey get
the rules straightened out.
692
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:44,797
Rules?
In a knife fight?
693
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,424
No rules.
694
00:32:46,507 --> 00:32:48,426
Well, if there ain't
gonna be any rules,
695
00:32:48,509 --> 00:32:49,677
let's get the fight started.
696
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,053
Someone count
one, two, three, go.
697
00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:52,888
One, two, three, go.
698
00:32:55,558 --> 00:32:58,436
I was really rooting
for you, Butch.
699
00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,105
[ Chuckles ] Well, thank you,
Flat Nose.
700
00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:03,774
That's what sustained me
in my time of trouble.
701
00:33:03,858 --> 00:33:08,112
Redford: We played on
each other's flaws for fun.
702
00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:11,991
One-upsmanship, but always
with an underlying affection.
703
00:33:12,074 --> 00:33:14,410
I figure we can either fight
or give.
704
00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:16,454
If we give,
we go to jail.
705
00:33:16,537 --> 00:33:19,457
No, we'll jump.
I'll jump first.
706
00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,792
No.
Then you jump first.
707
00:33:21,876 --> 00:33:23,627
No, I said.
What's the matter
with you?
708
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:25,755
I can't swim!
709
00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:32,386
[ Laughs ]
710
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:36,640
Why,
are you crazy?
711
00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:39,101
The fall
will probably kill you.
712
00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:51,781
Oh!
713
00:33:51,864 --> 00:34:01,791
♪♪
714
00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:04,668
♪♪
715
00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:06,921
Hill: The final scene between
Paul and Bob
716
00:34:07,004 --> 00:34:09,006
was a tremendous
acting challenge.
717
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:11,467
In the dialog itself,
there is no reference
718
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:13,969
to the fact that
they had been terribly wounded.
719
00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:17,056
Now, Paul and Bob's
playing of that scene
720
00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:21,977
and finding the right balance
of pain and humor
721
00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:25,314
and -- and hope is, I think,
722
00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,316
one of the best
acting achievements
723
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,527
I've ever seen in my experience.
724
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,403
Butch: Australia.
725
00:34:31,487 --> 00:34:33,697
That's your great idea?
726
00:34:33,781 --> 00:34:36,909
Oh, it's the latest
in a long line.
727
00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:38,953
Australia is no better
than here.
728
00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:41,372
Oh,
that's all you know.
Name me one thing.
Name me one thing.
729
00:34:41,455 --> 00:34:43,249
They speak English
in Australia.
730
00:34:43,332 --> 00:34:44,416
They do?
731
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,876
That's right,
smart guy,
732
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,837
so we wouldn't
be foreigners.
733
00:34:50,297 --> 00:34:51,882
Got horses
in Australia.
734
00:34:51,966 --> 00:34:54,844
They got thousands of miles
we can hide out in.
735
00:34:54,927 --> 00:34:56,679
Good climate,
nice beaches.
736
00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:57,930
You can learn
to swim.
737
00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,891
No, swimming...
isn't important.
738
00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:05,896
What about the banks?
739
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:07,064
They're easy.
740
00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,650
Easy, ripe,
and luscious.
741
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:13,445
[ Chuckles ]
742
00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:15,573
The banks or the women?
743
00:35:15,656 --> 00:35:18,033
Well, once you got one,
you got the other.
744
00:35:21,078 --> 00:35:23,080
It's a long way, though,
isn't it?
745
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,708
Ah, everything's got to be
perfect with you.
746
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:27,918
I just don't want to get there
and find out who stinks.
747
00:35:28,002 --> 00:35:29,211
That's all.
748
00:35:29,295 --> 00:35:30,796
At least
think about it.
749
00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:34,341
Alright.
750
00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:37,052
I'll think about it.
751
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,768
Hey...
752
00:35:44,852 --> 00:35:48,439
if we get outside
and we get to the horses,
753
00:35:48,522 --> 00:35:50,691
just remember
one thing.
754
00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:56,030
Hey,
wait a minute.
755
00:35:56,113 --> 00:35:57,239
What?
756
00:35:57,323 --> 00:36:00,743
You didn't see Lefors
out there, did you?
757
00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,412
Lefors?
758
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,122
No.
759
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,582
Oh, good.
760
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,460
For a moment there,
I thought we were in trouble.
761
00:36:09,543 --> 00:36:13,672
♪ Oh, the streets of Rome ♪
762
00:36:13,756 --> 00:36:17,176
♪ Are filled with rubble ♪
763
00:36:17,259 --> 00:36:20,721
♪ Ancient footprints ♪
764
00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:23,641
♪ Are everywhere ♪
765
00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:24,975
♪♪
766
00:36:25,059 --> 00:36:31,982
♪ She promised
she'd be there with me ♪
767
00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:38,364
♪ When I paint my masterpiece ♪
768
00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:45,788
♪♪
769
00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:47,665
Redford: I love Paul,
770
00:36:47,748 --> 00:36:52,503
and I think he's a rare,
rare human being.
771
00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:54,797
♪ Oh, the hours we'd spent ♪
772
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,174
And when you come across
someone like that,
773
00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:58,384
you don't let go.
774
00:36:58,467 --> 00:37:00,678
♪ Inside the Coliseum ♪
775
00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:02,721
He would never do anything
to hurt you.
776
00:37:02,805 --> 00:37:06,850
He would never do anything that
would in any way denigrate you.
777
00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,603
If you are a friend of Paul's,
you are safe.
778
00:37:09,687 --> 00:37:14,024
You could go out and rob a bank
and Paul would disapprove,
779
00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:15,693
but it would not affect
his friendship.
780
00:37:15,776 --> 00:37:18,487
When Paul commits,
he is committed for life.
781
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,864
I hope you say that
about me someday.
782
00:37:20,948 --> 00:37:22,616
You know,
I was thinking about you.
783
00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:23,867
[ Laughs ]
784
00:37:23,951 --> 00:37:26,161
That's okay.
Yeah.
785
00:37:26,245 --> 00:37:29,915
♪ The back of my memory ♪
786
00:37:29,999 --> 00:37:31,250
♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪
787
00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,127
Man: Does it seem funny
the man you know at home
788
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,753
as just
an ordinary human being
789
00:37:34,837 --> 00:37:38,215
that other people
become giddy over him?
790
00:37:38,298 --> 00:37:41,135
Woodward: To see someone that
you've known as that nice boy
791
00:37:41,218 --> 00:37:43,053
from
Shaker Heights, Ohio,
792
00:37:43,137 --> 00:37:45,014
who happened to be in the same
play with you, you know,
793
00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,850
and you thought, "Well,
he isn't really very talented,
794
00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:49,935
but he's got a pretty face,
so maybe he'll make it."
795
00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:52,896
But then to some,
they see him, you know, emerge,
796
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:55,315
I think,
by the roles that he plays,
797
00:37:55,399 --> 00:37:57,693
because when I go
and see him in films,
798
00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,570
I mean, I get a whole thing
about him, too.
799
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,573
I mean, not that I --
[ Laughter ]
800
00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:06,702
I don't mean to say
I don't anyway, but, you know...
801
00:38:06,785 --> 00:38:09,121
Stephanie:
It was very weird.
802
00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:14,334
I remember being at a very nice
hotel with Nelly
803
00:38:14,418 --> 00:38:17,212
and having some women
come up to us,
804
00:38:17,296 --> 00:38:18,756
and one of them said,
805
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:22,092
"Can you get anything
from his room that's his?
806
00:38:22,176 --> 00:38:25,220
I'll take a bristle
from his toothbrush."
807
00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:26,930
♪ Masterpiece ♪
808
00:38:27,014 --> 00:38:36,482
♪♪
809
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:37,733
♪♪
810
00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:40,444
Rachel: Hello?
Are you there?
811
00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:41,612
Anybody home?
812
00:38:41,695 --> 00:38:42,946
Yeah, I'm here.
813
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:45,282
Well,
what are you doing?
814
00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:47,117
When? Now?
815
00:38:47,201 --> 00:38:48,952
Yeah, now.
816
00:38:49,036 --> 00:38:51,455
Just sitting
in my room.
817
00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,706
And...?
818
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:54,249
Just sitting.
819
00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:01,632
I can't think
of anything to say.
820
00:39:01,715 --> 00:39:03,634
Well,
maybe I can help you.
821
00:39:03,717 --> 00:39:04,843
I'm just sitting here
822
00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:07,513
stark naked
as the day I was born.
823
00:39:07,596 --> 00:39:08,931
[ Chuckles ]
824
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:12,935
That open any interesting
lines of conversation?
825
00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:14,895
Well...
826
00:39:51,014 --> 00:39:55,853
[ Telephone rings ]
827
00:39:55,936 --> 00:40:05,821
♪♪
828
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:10,033
Are you, uh...
829
00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:13,871
really naked?
830
00:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,914
I thought
you'd never ask.
831
00:40:15,998 --> 00:40:18,167
I want you here,
but it just doesn't...
832
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:22,421
Clea: He -- He needed her in
a way that she didn't need him.
833
00:40:22,504 --> 00:40:27,885
I mean, she was constantly
learning new things
834
00:40:27,968 --> 00:40:29,261
and pushing herself
835
00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:33,056
and doing things
that she was afraid of.
836
00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:36,101
Melissa: She really was
kind of the --
837
00:40:36,185 --> 00:40:39,396
truly herself, free flowing,
838
00:40:39,479 --> 00:40:43,650
and I think he wanted --
he wanted some of that.
839
00:40:43,734 --> 00:40:45,444
And so he married it.
840
00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:49,656
I'm gonna see if I can
get some sleep, okay?
841
00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:54,286
Linney: There was always a sense
that there was a lot going on.
842
00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:57,748
You know, she was a big knitter.
She knit.
843
00:40:57,831 --> 00:41:00,125
What are you doing?
Can I see what you're making?
Oh, yes, this.
844
00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:02,503
Well, actually,
I'm really doing this,
845
00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:04,296
and I'm doing it
for a birthday present.
846
00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,881
What's gonna be
in the squares?
847
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,675
A picture of one daughter
and a picture of the other.
848
00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:10,510
Allen: I love the fact --
people used to make fun of her,
849
00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:11,970
but she would go on
to talk shows,
850
00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:13,639
bring her knitting.
851
00:41:13,722 --> 00:41:16,600
She'd be sitting there knitting
while she was talking to them,
852
00:41:16,683 --> 00:41:18,936
and she didn't really care,
853
00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,271
like, what anybody thought
about it or not.
854
00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:26,276
She was just kind of very
uniquely her own self, you know?
855
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,904
Linney: But there's something
about knitting in that
856
00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:33,116
each little stitch, like,
leads up to something else,
857
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,077
and then you have
a beautiful sweater.
858
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,787
Man:
When was it dissolved?
859
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:39,248
Woodward: I don't think
there's a moment when, do you?
860
00:41:39,331 --> 00:41:41,667
I think it's
a gradual progression of things.
861
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:44,628
I think they say that
one changes every seven years,
862
00:41:44,711 --> 00:41:47,297
every cell
in your body.
863
00:41:47,381 --> 00:41:49,132
Maybe when I was 35
864
00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,468
and decided
to take up ballet,
865
00:41:51,552 --> 00:41:54,137
thereby making myself
the oldest --
866
00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:57,349
oldest beginning ballerina
in the world.
867
00:41:57,432 --> 00:42:00,394
36, I went on pointe,
you know.
868
00:42:00,477 --> 00:42:02,479
How to let a work evolve,
869
00:42:02,562 --> 00:42:07,025
how to let your family evolve,
how to let your marriage evolve.
870
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:09,903
Like, how do you keep evolving?
871
00:42:09,987 --> 00:42:12,364
I think that's why "Rachel,
Rachel" meant so much to me
872
00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:14,950
because it --
you should do things.
873
00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:17,494
You shouldn't say,
"No, it's too late for that."
874
00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:19,162
It's never too late.
875
00:42:19,246 --> 00:42:22,874
♪♪
876
00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:27,421
[ Clock ticking ]
877
00:42:28,505 --> 00:42:31,091
Every time we've ever gone
for an ice-cream cone,
878
00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:32,676
you've ordered vanilla.
879
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:35,095
That's not
the only kind, Rachel.
880
00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,097
There are
30 other flavors,
881
00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:38,599
plus
a flavor of the month,
882
00:42:38,682 --> 00:42:40,934
and there are more people
on this earth
883
00:42:41,018 --> 00:42:42,769
than just you.
884
00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:44,688
Parsons: "Rachel, Rachel"
had just been
885
00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:46,606
a very important experience
886
00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:49,526
in my life progression
as an artist.
887
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:53,905
I mean, it's an experience
that's so much more refined
888
00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,324
and artistic than most.
889
00:42:55,407 --> 00:42:58,201
I mean, it's no good
to break the mold
890
00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,370
if you haven't got
anything worth doing.
891
00:43:00,454 --> 00:43:03,498
Woodward:
I had sort of been semi-retired
892
00:43:03,582 --> 00:43:05,542
for a few years
raising children,
893
00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:09,254
and I said, "There's no way
you're gonna get anybody to,
894
00:43:09,338 --> 00:43:12,174
you know, they're not gonna
put this film together for me."
895
00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:15,093
And Paul said,
"No, you really ought to do it.
896
00:43:15,177 --> 00:43:16,553
Let's -- Let's figure out
how to do it."
897
00:43:16,636 --> 00:43:18,805
Reporter:
In 1968, Paul Newman,
898
00:43:18,889 --> 00:43:21,016
famous in front
of the motion-picture cameras,
899
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:23,643
undertook his first assignment
behind them as director.
900
00:43:23,727 --> 00:43:25,937
Joanne Woodward,
Mrs. Newman in private life,
901
00:43:26,021 --> 00:43:27,356
agreed to star for it.
902
00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:28,732
Paul Newman tells it.
903
00:43:28,815 --> 00:43:30,776
Paul:
She's sitting on a set,
904
00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,862
and she appears to do
absolutely nothing.
905
00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:36,573
But there's some
strange motor going on.
906
00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:38,825
♪♪
907
00:43:38,909 --> 00:43:43,747
Parsons: I went to see Paul at
some apartment on the east side.
908
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:48,085
I'd never met him before, and I
remember thinking, "Oh, my."
909
00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:52,047
[ Chuckles ]
I mean, he was like a Greek god.
910
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:55,384
Paul: As it became more and more
difficult for me to find parts
911
00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:58,970
that I wanted to do as an actor,
if I read a good script,
912
00:43:59,054 --> 00:44:02,933
I should like to be connected
with it in one form or another.
913
00:44:03,016 --> 00:44:05,519
That's why I directed
the first film.
914
00:44:05,602 --> 00:44:08,980
I'm exactly
in the middle of my life.
915
00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:11,066
This is my last...
916
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,984
♪♪
917
00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:15,487
...ascending summer.
918
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:18,281
The same year
that he's Butch Cassidy
919
00:44:18,365 --> 00:44:20,534
and, like,
America's Marlboro Man,
920
00:44:20,617 --> 00:44:23,412
they spend their own money
and their own time
921
00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:26,415
on a movie about
a 35-year-old woman
922
00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:28,125
having a midlife crisis.
923
00:44:28,208 --> 00:44:32,003
You know, Joanne --
both Joanne and Paul,
924
00:44:32,087 --> 00:44:35,549
they absolutely loved...
925
00:44:35,632 --> 00:44:38,468
this craft
of storytelling.
926
00:44:38,552 --> 00:44:40,846
♪♪
927
00:44:40,929 --> 00:44:44,015
Man: Did you have any
misgivings at all about being --
928
00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:45,308
to be directed
by your husband,
929
00:44:45,392 --> 00:44:46,643
somebody you're
so very close to?
930
00:44:46,726 --> 00:44:48,145
Did you have
any misgivings at all?
931
00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:49,479
Woodward: I didn't have
any misgivings about it
932
00:44:49,563 --> 00:44:50,981
because
I've never understood
933
00:44:51,064 --> 00:44:53,316
why people always think
that that's so strange.
934
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,068
I mean,
who could direct you better?
935
00:44:55,152 --> 00:44:57,779
I made
a fool of myself!
936
00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,281
We're all fools.
937
00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:01,908
You can't be part
of the human race and not be...
938
00:45:01,992 --> 00:45:04,870
Parsons: I don't know where
that kissing scene came from.
939
00:45:04,953 --> 00:45:09,332
I just -- I found it --
I found it very easy to do,
940
00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:11,168
and I remember just before
we shot,
941
00:45:11,251 --> 00:45:14,004
I had an idea that was
very effective, and I --
942
00:45:14,087 --> 00:45:16,173
I just kissed her all over,
943
00:45:16,256 --> 00:45:18,884
and then I kind of
found her mouth and...
944
00:45:18,967 --> 00:45:21,470
♪♪
945
00:45:21,553 --> 00:45:23,805
Oh, Rachel!
946
00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:24,973
Oh!
947
00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:28,351
Oh, I didn't --
I didn't mean that.
948
00:45:28,435 --> 00:45:30,353
I'm sorry!
949
00:45:30,437 --> 00:45:33,356
Oh, please,
now I'm a fool!
950
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,233
Scorsese:
It was a big risk
951
00:45:35,317 --> 00:45:37,319
to make a picture
like "Rachel, Rachel."
952
00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:41,031
People were not -- the
independent films were not as --
953
00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:42,991
you had to really
put yourself on the line,
954
00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:46,703
and in a way,
I think he took this journey.
955
00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:50,624
And it's a long trip to
"Rachel, Rachel,"
956
00:45:50,707 --> 00:45:53,710
and it must be because of her.
957
00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:58,048
She kept Paul on that tightrope
walking and growing
958
00:45:58,131 --> 00:45:59,257
and growing and growing.
959
00:45:59,341 --> 00:46:00,759
Maybe if they hadn't
been together,
960
00:46:00,842 --> 00:46:02,344
maybe if it was a different
kind of situation,
961
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,222
he would not have taken
those -- those risks.
962
00:46:05,305 --> 00:46:07,724
You're a loving person,
Nick Kazlik.
963
00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:10,519
Babe, we've only had two dates.
You don't know me at all.
964
00:46:10,602 --> 00:46:12,062
I know enough.
965
00:46:12,145 --> 00:46:15,315
I know enough
to say that...
966
00:46:15,398 --> 00:46:16,650
I love you.
967
00:46:16,733 --> 00:46:19,110
I want a child.
I...
968
00:46:21,071 --> 00:46:24,491
Woodward: Sandy Meisner,
whom I quote ad infinitum,
969
00:46:24,574 --> 00:46:25,992
said that for an actor,
970
00:46:26,076 --> 00:46:30,747
it takes -- it takes 20 years
to, like a violinist,
971
00:46:30,831 --> 00:46:34,042
not wonder where you have to
put your fingers on the strings,
972
00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:38,421
and Rachel was
a real breakthrough for me
973
00:46:38,505 --> 00:46:39,756
in that respect.
974
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,758
Hold on to me.
975
00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:43,260
♪♪
976
00:46:43,343 --> 00:46:45,679
I think you want to.
Be willing, please.
977
00:46:45,762 --> 00:46:50,767
Please allow
what you're feeling.
978
00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:54,813
♪♪
979
00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,856
D'Onofrio: Every day
when you're young,
980
00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:58,608
you have to
keep reminding yourself,
981
00:46:58,692 --> 00:47:00,443
"I'm an artist,
I'm an artist, I'm an artist,"
982
00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:05,615
and then 20 years later,
you're a fucking artist.
983
00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:09,077
If you've applied yourself
all that long,
984
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,538
you're a fucking artist,
man.
985
00:47:11,621 --> 00:47:14,666
♪♪
986
00:47:14,749 --> 00:47:16,751
Melissa:
She knew that her husband,
987
00:47:16,835 --> 00:47:18,420
who was really famous,
988
00:47:18,503 --> 00:47:21,756
deeply believed that she was
a way better actor than he was,
989
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,300
and he did a lot to prove it.
990
00:47:23,383 --> 00:47:27,387
I mean, he worshiped her
as an artist.
991
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:31,808
Parsons: I do think the film
was terribly taxing for Paul.
992
00:47:31,891 --> 00:47:34,769
He was in a state of shock
the whole time.
993
00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:37,397
But it wasn't hard for me
994
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,859
because I was working
with Joanne Woodward!
995
00:47:40,942 --> 00:47:44,654
Woman: The winner of this year's
Golden Globe goes to...
996
00:47:44,738 --> 00:47:47,824
Joanne Woodward
for "Rachel, Rachel."
997
00:47:47,907 --> 00:47:50,660
Announcer: Joanne received her
second Academy Award nomination
998
00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:54,581
for her portrayal of the title
role in the movie.
999
00:47:54,664 --> 00:47:56,833
Paul:
One thing that I admire,
1000
00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,836
the thing that I recognize,
is excellence.
1001
00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:02,881
Woman: By any reckoning,
it is her best performance.
1002
00:48:02,964 --> 00:48:05,300
Paul: I recognize it
in almost anything --
1003
00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:08,428
plumbers, museum guides,
limousine drivers, concierges,
1004
00:48:08,511 --> 00:48:11,056
waitresses, bank tellers.
1005
00:48:11,139 --> 00:48:13,391
I delight in seeing excellence.
1006
00:48:13,475 --> 00:48:15,644
"Rachel, Rachel,"
Estelle Parsons.
1007
00:48:15,727 --> 00:48:17,520
Stewart Stern for
"Rachel, Rachel."
1008
00:48:17,604 --> 00:48:21,191
Woman: Joanne Woodward
for "Rachel, Rachel."
1009
00:48:21,274 --> 00:48:24,194
Paul: And unless I have it
for myself,
1010
00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,154
I'm not gonna be satisfied.
1011
00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,865
Man:
...was moving up in the field.
1012
00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:33,078
♪♪
1013
00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:39,793
Acting, that whole real feeling,
eh, I have my moments.
1014
00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:42,337
Single scenes, maybe.
1015
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:47,884
I've had maybe a dozen inspired
races in 16 years of racing.
1016
00:48:47,967 --> 00:48:51,346
I've won a lot that weren't
necessarily inspired.
1017
00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:54,140
It's kind of the way I feel
about my acting.
1018
00:48:54,224 --> 00:48:56,559
[ Indistinct announcement ]
1019
00:48:56,643 --> 00:48:57,936
Acting, racing,
1020
00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:01,981
you're constantly aware
of your own inadequacies,
1021
00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:06,069
and I just try to get out there
and do the best I can.
1022
00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:08,571
Anything can happen.
1023
00:49:08,655 --> 00:49:13,034
But as in all things, you can do
anything you want to
1024
00:49:13,118 --> 00:49:15,453
if you're willing
to pay the price.
1025
00:49:15,537 --> 00:49:21,793
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1026
00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:27,757
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1027
00:49:27,841 --> 00:49:33,847
[ Singing indistinctly ]
1028
00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:40,103
♪ Don't forgive me anymore ♪
1029
00:49:40,186 --> 00:49:43,314
♪ Find me sleeping ♪
1030
00:49:43,398 --> 00:49:46,735
[ Singing indistinctly ]
1031
00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:53,491
♪♪
1032
00:49:53,575 --> 00:49:59,831
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1033
00:49:59,914 --> 00:50:06,087
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1034
00:50:06,171 --> 00:50:12,469
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1035
00:50:12,552 --> 00:50:18,892
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1036
00:50:18,975 --> 00:50:25,106
♪ Don't trust the moonbeams ♪
1037
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:31,279
♪ Moonbeams are off the record ♪
1038
00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:37,619
♪ Don't count your heartbeats ♪
1039
00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:43,917
♪ You heart won't beat forever ♪
1040
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:50,340
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1041
00:50:50,423 --> 00:50:56,513
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1042
00:50:56,596 --> 00:51:03,019
♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪
1043
00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:13,029
♪♪
1044
00:51:13,112 --> 00:51:23,039
♪♪
1045
00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:33,049
♪♪
1046
00:51:33,132 --> 00:51:36,511
♪♪