1 00:00:05,423 --> 00:00:12,138 ♪♪ 2 00:00:12,221 --> 00:00:19,228 ♪♪ 3 00:00:19,312 --> 00:00:23,107 Hey. We got to play for something. 4 00:00:23,191 --> 00:00:26,736 Well, I'll think of something. 5 00:00:26,819 --> 00:00:27,987 He just wants to win. 6 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:31,115 He doesn't care what the stakes are. 7 00:00:31,199 --> 00:00:32,784 She's got a fix on you, Frank. 8 00:00:32,867 --> 00:00:34,827 That's why I married her. 9 00:00:34,911 --> 00:00:36,496 Yeah, well, it must be nice 10 00:00:36,579 --> 00:00:38,790 to wake up next to somebody you recognize. 11 00:00:42,084 --> 00:00:43,711 Yeah, it is nice. 12 00:00:43,795 --> 00:00:49,175 ♪♪ 13 00:00:49,258 --> 00:00:51,177 You're a winner. 14 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:52,512 What else? 15 00:00:52,595 --> 00:00:58,976 ♪♪ 16 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:05,233 ♪♪ 17 00:01:05,316 --> 00:01:09,654 [ Woman speaking indistinctly over loudspeaker ] 18 00:01:09,737 --> 00:01:11,280 [ Applause ] 19 00:01:13,115 --> 00:01:16,244 Crudup: "'Winning' opened at Radio City Music Hall. 20 00:01:16,327 --> 00:01:18,663 [ Chuckling ] I mean, there were lines. 21 00:01:18,746 --> 00:01:20,498 Yeah, I had to say that I was nervous. 22 00:01:20,581 --> 00:01:23,376 I went up to the closed door into the marquee 23 00:01:23,459 --> 00:01:25,711 and tapped on it, and the usher came over, and I said, 24 00:01:25,795 --> 00:01:27,964 'Is anybody in there?, And he said, 'Yeah, it's full.' 25 00:01:28,047 --> 00:01:31,384 And I explained to him that I was the director, 26 00:01:31,467 --> 00:01:33,219 and he said, 'Do you want to come in?'" 27 00:01:33,302 --> 00:01:35,638 Hawke: James Goldstone, who was the director of "Winning" -- 28 00:01:35,721 --> 00:01:37,890 he's kind of a forgotten director. 29 00:01:37,974 --> 00:01:41,602 Gets invited into Paul's house -- first-time director -- 30 00:01:41,686 --> 00:01:45,481 and there's Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward 31 00:01:45,565 --> 00:01:47,191 in the middle of their family life. 32 00:01:47,275 --> 00:01:48,943 And they have real family troubles. 33 00:01:49,026 --> 00:01:51,988 And Paul wants to put his life into the movie. 34 00:01:52,071 --> 00:01:53,739 He doesn't want to just make a racing movie. 35 00:01:53,823 --> 00:01:56,325 He wants it to be about relationships, right? 36 00:01:56,409 --> 00:01:58,035 He completely changed the script, 37 00:01:58,119 --> 00:02:02,540 made it completely personal, and fell in love with racing. 38 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:04,917 The thing I love about the Goldstone transcript 39 00:02:05,001 --> 00:02:07,295 is he's not some big-shot director. 40 00:02:07,378 --> 00:02:08,754 He's so -- he tells the story, 41 00:02:08,838 --> 00:02:10,840 and it's gonna be in the transcript I send, 42 00:02:10,923 --> 00:02:14,927 of being so nervous about when the movie opened 43 00:02:15,011 --> 00:02:17,096 and then the fucking thing was packed. 44 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:18,681 It was the new Paul Newman movie. 45 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:21,434 Crudup: "I came in right at the point 46 00:02:21,517 --> 00:02:25,688 where Paul parked his car, walks across the motel parking lot, 47 00:02:25,771 --> 00:02:27,607 and... 48 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:31,444 and opens the door, and I... 49 00:02:31,527 --> 00:02:37,867 I could feel the breathing of 6,000 people 50 00:02:37,950 --> 00:02:41,537 really watching. 51 00:02:41,621 --> 00:02:44,415 And then I could hear 6,000 people going, 52 00:02:44,498 --> 00:02:48,127 '[Gasps] Oh!' 53 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:50,421 And not a sound. 54 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:54,675 And -- And some man's voice from one of the balconies, 55 00:02:54,759 --> 00:02:59,138 you just -- you heard, 'Jesus Christ.'" 56 00:02:59,221 --> 00:03:03,893 ♪♪ 57 00:03:03,976 --> 00:03:07,229 "That was a moment that we discovered in rehearsal." 58 00:03:10,483 --> 00:03:14,528 Man: Gentlemen, start your engines! 59 00:03:14,612 --> 00:03:17,949 [ Engines rev, crowd cheering ] 60 00:03:18,032 --> 00:03:24,372 ♪♪ 61 00:03:24,455 --> 00:03:27,875 Crudup: "I needed a series of shots of cars passing Paul, 62 00:03:27,959 --> 00:03:30,878 and so we started out Paul in first position, 63 00:03:30,962 --> 00:03:32,505 you know, 16 cars behind him. 64 00:03:32,588 --> 00:03:34,590 By the time I had done all my shots with the camera car, 65 00:03:34,674 --> 00:03:36,968 Paul was in last place. 66 00:03:37,051 --> 00:03:41,347 Put up the green flag, and Paul was driving a very fast car, 67 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:44,225 and he put his foot in... 68 00:03:44,308 --> 00:03:49,855 [Laughing] ...and didn't know what was gonna happen. 69 00:03:49,939 --> 00:03:52,358 You know, they're driving with this star. 70 00:03:52,441 --> 00:03:55,194 I had impressed on them over and over again, 71 00:03:55,277 --> 00:03:58,197 'We cannot kill him. He's an amateur. 72 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,616 You're pros,' and Paul started driving it past them, 73 00:04:00,700 --> 00:04:02,368 passing one car after another. 74 00:04:02,451 --> 00:04:04,996 And the safety guy was saying to me, 75 00:04:05,079 --> 00:04:07,039 'I'm gonna put the light up and get them off the track, 76 00:04:07,123 --> 00:04:08,290 They're driving too damn fast, 77 00:04:08,374 --> 00:04:11,377 'cause now they're actually racing.' 78 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:12,795 We put on the light, 79 00:04:12,878 --> 00:04:14,380 and Paul came into the pit to second position. 80 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:15,923 He had passed 14 or 15 people, 81 00:04:16,007 --> 00:04:19,135 and this wonderful, sheepish grin on his face. 82 00:04:19,218 --> 00:04:21,387 He knew he wasn't supposed to do it." 83 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:26,267 ♪♪ 84 00:04:26,350 --> 00:04:28,894 "You know, he's getting out there, and he's proven -- 85 00:04:28,978 --> 00:04:30,604 not how much you get paid, 86 00:04:30,688 --> 00:04:32,231 you know, what kind of prizes you get. 87 00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:35,776 It's about who has control. 88 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:38,320 You know, yeah, we talked about his mother 89 00:04:38,404 --> 00:04:41,574 and his relationship with his father 90 00:04:41,657 --> 00:04:44,910 when he was a kid -- his father's store. 91 00:04:44,994 --> 00:04:48,414 He got on to the subject of alcoholism, 92 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:51,375 and his fear was that, you know, 93 00:04:51,459 --> 00:04:55,755 he didn't think he could not drink, 94 00:04:55,838 --> 00:04:58,674 though he'd never be an alcoholic. 95 00:04:58,758 --> 00:05:04,055 Well, he is one, and he could not handle it 96 00:05:04,138 --> 00:05:06,015 if he tried to handle it. 97 00:05:06,098 --> 00:05:09,685 Something in his past with his mother -- 98 00:05:09,769 --> 00:05:12,313 I guess, apparently a quite neurotic, compulsive person 99 00:05:12,396 --> 00:05:17,359 that I get this feeling that he fears tremendously 100 00:05:17,443 --> 00:05:23,032 somewhere underneath that he's very much like his mother, 101 00:05:23,115 --> 00:05:25,659 you know, that given the chance, you know, 102 00:05:25,743 --> 00:05:27,620 that he'd lose control." 103 00:05:27,703 --> 00:05:30,456 I'll tell you -- for a squirrel, he looked pretty good, 104 00:05:30,539 --> 00:05:31,582 for an old squirrel. 105 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:33,084 "Paul -- he wants desperately 106 00:05:33,167 --> 00:05:35,086 to have control of himself. 107 00:05:35,169 --> 00:05:37,713 His mother didn't, and he's always had, you know, 108 00:05:37,797 --> 00:05:40,216 the feeling that, when he left to go into the Navy 109 00:05:40,299 --> 00:05:44,345 and to college, that he was in a terrible pressure cooker, 110 00:05:44,428 --> 00:05:47,306 that he didn't have control." 111 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:50,017 [ Indistinct conversations ] 112 00:05:50,101 --> 00:05:57,483 ♪♪ 113 00:05:57,566 --> 00:05:58,692 I can't hear you! 114 00:05:58,776 --> 00:06:01,654 [ Indistinct shouting ] 115 00:06:01,737 --> 00:06:03,656 I can't hear you! What?! 116 00:06:03,739 --> 00:06:06,826 [ Indistinct shouting ] 117 00:06:06,909 --> 00:06:12,748 ♪♪ 118 00:06:12,832 --> 00:06:16,168 They won't let me talk to him. 119 00:06:16,252 --> 00:06:18,337 Well, you'll just have to stand in line 120 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:20,673 and wait your turn, Charley. 121 00:06:20,756 --> 00:06:24,718 Crudup: "In preproduction, Paul was working in New York 122 00:06:24,802 --> 00:06:26,762 and was sort of running back and forth to Westport, 123 00:06:26,846 --> 00:06:29,181 and I'd spend the weekends there with him, 124 00:06:29,265 --> 00:06:32,518 and Scott was going through this dreadful period, 125 00:06:32,601 --> 00:06:34,395 and he was kicked out of prep school 126 00:06:34,478 --> 00:06:36,939 and -- and there was something about a car accident. 127 00:06:37,022 --> 00:06:38,941 Paul was trying to repair that relationship." 128 00:06:39,024 --> 00:06:42,820 I've got to start sometime. I'm 16. 129 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:44,446 You wouldn't even like it. 130 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:46,198 Well, how do you know unless you try? 131 00:06:46,282 --> 00:06:48,701 Take a sip. 132 00:06:48,784 --> 00:06:50,536 Salud. 133 00:06:54,331 --> 00:06:55,499 Good. 134 00:06:55,583 --> 00:06:58,043 Oh, my God. 135 00:07:00,713 --> 00:07:01,964 Hey! 136 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:03,716 Look, I'm gonna get drafted in two years. 137 00:07:03,799 --> 00:07:05,551 So you drink when you're drafted. Yeah, but I won't know how. 138 00:07:05,634 --> 00:07:06,927 "I happened to be staying at his house, 139 00:07:07,011 --> 00:07:08,387 and it was in the middle of winter, you know, 140 00:07:08,470 --> 00:07:09,847 heavy snow and had a blizzard. 141 00:07:09,930 --> 00:07:11,432 And Scott had returned home from Pennsylvania, 142 00:07:11,515 --> 00:07:14,268 and I felt... 143 00:07:14,351 --> 00:07:19,523 I don't know -- kind of like a terrible tension -- 144 00:07:19,607 --> 00:07:24,695 this beautiful, handsome, young man and his father, who... 145 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:26,864 didn't know how to reach out..." 146 00:07:28,449 --> 00:07:30,576 "...how to span that thing." 147 00:07:30,659 --> 00:07:32,745 [ Giggling ] 148 00:07:32,828 --> 00:07:34,371 "And at the same time, of course, 149 00:07:34,455 --> 00:07:35,915 we're dealing with the script's relationship 150 00:07:35,998 --> 00:07:38,500 between the racers and the kid and Paul's character 151 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:40,169 and the Richard Thomas character." 152 00:07:40,252 --> 00:07:42,963 Do you think I'm drunk? 153 00:07:43,047 --> 00:07:48,469 Stephanie: I remember being in my bedroom when I was 8, 154 00:07:48,552 --> 00:07:50,512 and my mom and a friend of hers 155 00:07:50,596 --> 00:07:53,515 were in Scott's bedroom next door, 156 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:55,643 and all of a sudden, I heard a gasp. 157 00:07:55,726 --> 00:07:59,313 And I went running in, and they had discovered 158 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,732 that Scott was sniffing glue. 159 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:04,777 So this was at 12 years old. 160 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,612 [ Whistles ] 161 00:08:08,906 --> 00:08:11,867 Crudup: "And I can remember sitting in that pool house 162 00:08:11,951 --> 00:08:15,871 late at night, watching him and Scott work out, 163 00:08:15,955 --> 00:08:17,998 you know, this painful relationship 164 00:08:18,082 --> 00:08:21,502 that wasn't being worked out -- playing pool, drinking beer, 165 00:08:21,585 --> 00:08:27,341 each of them trying and neither knowing how." 166 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:29,301 You go up the stairs. 167 00:08:29,385 --> 00:08:31,011 You do not drop your clothes on the floor. 168 00:08:31,095 --> 00:08:32,388 You fold them. 169 00:08:32,471 --> 00:08:34,014 You jump into a pair of pajamas, 170 00:08:34,098 --> 00:08:37,142 and you glide very stylishly into bed. 171 00:08:37,226 --> 00:08:42,147 "Oh, in the 'teaching your son to drink' scene, 172 00:08:42,231 --> 00:08:44,984 it didn't have to be discussed between Paul and me. 173 00:08:45,067 --> 00:08:48,487 I was father, and he was a father, so... 174 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:50,364 it all worked its way down the line 175 00:08:50,447 --> 00:08:52,366 and into the movie." 176 00:08:52,449 --> 00:08:54,285 He's drunk! He's with me! 177 00:08:54,368 --> 00:08:56,495 Crudup: "And when Paul takes Richard Thomas home, 178 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:58,789 saying, 'He's with me,' it..." 179 00:08:58,872 --> 00:09:00,207 Charley: Goodnight, Mother. 180 00:09:00,291 --> 00:09:03,002 "...it was -- that was a very important line..." 181 00:09:03,085 --> 00:09:04,295 Goodnight, Father. 182 00:09:04,378 --> 00:09:05,671 "...which could have been -- 183 00:09:05,754 --> 00:09:07,965 could well have been Paul's, you know, 'cause, 184 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:12,177 you know, 'cause it came out of those rehearsals." 185 00:09:12,261 --> 00:09:17,725 ♪♪ 186 00:09:17,808 --> 00:09:23,314 ♪♪ 187 00:09:23,397 --> 00:09:26,692 You are so lucky. 188 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:29,695 You sit there, all closed in 189 00:09:29,778 --> 00:09:34,450 by machinery and bolts -- precise things. 190 00:09:34,533 --> 00:09:36,910 There's hardly any room for you. 191 00:09:36,994 --> 00:09:38,537 [ Sighs ] 192 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:40,998 It must be a nice, safe feeling. 193 00:09:41,081 --> 00:09:44,043 [ Chuckles ] 194 00:09:44,126 --> 00:09:45,252 [ Sighs ] 195 00:09:45,336 --> 00:09:47,296 Eh, you got to learn to trust something. 196 00:09:47,379 --> 00:09:50,549 Might just as well be the seat of your pants. 197 00:09:50,632 --> 00:09:53,886 "There's a part of him that's always standing back, 198 00:09:53,969 --> 00:09:57,056 looking at himself. 199 00:09:57,139 --> 00:10:00,267 I wonder whether some of that isn't that he knows 200 00:10:00,351 --> 00:10:02,227 everyone else is watching him, too, 201 00:10:02,311 --> 00:10:04,396 that they've been watching him for, you know, 202 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,691 30-some-odd years, no matter what he does, and..." 203 00:10:07,775 --> 00:10:08,734 Where's the cab? 204 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:11,987 "...therefore, he joins them... 205 00:10:12,071 --> 00:10:13,739 observing." 206 00:10:13,822 --> 00:10:17,785 Well, maybe he picked up another fare on the way. 207 00:10:17,868 --> 00:10:20,204 No, if they take the call, they come. 208 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:25,292 "Anguish. 209 00:10:25,376 --> 00:10:31,507 Anguish between Paul and Scott became a given 210 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:33,592 in our conversations." 211 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:37,137 I want to stay with you. 212 00:10:37,221 --> 00:10:38,472 We'll see, Charley. 213 00:10:38,555 --> 00:10:39,765 "We'll see, Charley." 214 00:10:39,848 --> 00:10:41,934 "You get trained as an actor to study 215 00:10:42,017 --> 00:10:44,770 all your own internal reactions, and the thing with Scott 216 00:10:44,853 --> 00:10:47,314 is just the most important thing of his life. 217 00:10:47,398 --> 00:10:49,942 And he stood outside watching that 218 00:10:50,025 --> 00:10:54,029 instead of being able to -- to let loose, 219 00:10:54,113 --> 00:10:57,074 somehow be inside it." 220 00:10:57,157 --> 00:10:59,451 Give you some money. I've got money. 221 00:10:59,535 --> 00:11:02,162 "He saw happening what was happening with Scott. 222 00:11:02,246 --> 00:11:04,081 He saw it. 223 00:11:04,164 --> 00:11:07,126 But he couldn't -- he couldn't get over that wall." 224 00:11:07,209 --> 00:11:10,170 The Hoosier Motor Inn. 225 00:11:10,254 --> 00:11:11,839 Take care. 226 00:11:11,922 --> 00:11:13,465 "And we talked about 227 00:11:13,549 --> 00:11:16,635 how you span that gulf with your child -- 228 00:11:16,718 --> 00:11:21,056 the most important relationship you can have." 229 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,644 "And if you're a well-trained actor, 230 00:11:25,727 --> 00:11:27,646 you can watch yourself 231 00:11:27,729 --> 00:11:32,317 abandoning yourself to something. 232 00:11:32,401 --> 00:11:37,072 But a little part of you that's... 233 00:11:37,156 --> 00:11:39,074 that's always censoring." 234 00:11:42,411 --> 00:11:44,830 Kazan: "I think that there are kids who are predisposed, 235 00:11:44,913 --> 00:11:48,208 and I think that Scott was one of them." 236 00:11:50,127 --> 00:11:55,090 Crudup: "I remember such a dance -- 237 00:11:55,174 --> 00:11:59,178 dance of death between Scott and his father, 238 00:11:59,261 --> 00:12:02,097 because Scott had -- Scott had learned 239 00:12:02,181 --> 00:12:04,433 that he could really manipulate things, 240 00:12:04,516 --> 00:12:09,021 and I wrote him a long letter, asking him to please communicate 241 00:12:09,104 --> 00:12:12,441 what he was feeling and not stay shut off 242 00:12:12,524 --> 00:12:15,819 from his father or from -- from anyone else 243 00:12:15,903 --> 00:12:17,738 that might be able to help him out, 244 00:12:17,821 --> 00:12:23,869 because Paul was -- he was -- he was just demolished. 245 00:12:23,952 --> 00:12:27,706 But he didn't know where to start or -- or what to do. 246 00:12:27,789 --> 00:12:32,211 And obviously, Scott was -- Scott was desperate." 247 00:12:32,294 --> 00:12:33,545 [ Sighs ] 248 00:12:33,629 --> 00:12:35,672 Charley: My grandmother used to get mad at me 249 00:12:35,756 --> 00:12:39,301 because I slept with the light on all night. 250 00:12:39,384 --> 00:12:40,928 So I finally got a flashlight 251 00:12:41,011 --> 00:12:44,389 and turned it on under the covers. 252 00:12:44,473 --> 00:12:47,726 What were you scared of? 253 00:12:47,809 --> 00:12:51,271 I never really knew. 254 00:12:51,355 --> 00:12:53,023 It went away finally. 255 00:12:53,106 --> 00:13:01,323 ♪♪ 256 00:13:01,406 --> 00:13:03,492 [ Door closes ] 257 00:13:03,575 --> 00:13:05,994 Just like the car lights. 258 00:13:08,497 --> 00:13:10,916 Well, they come in and go across the ceiling 259 00:13:10,999 --> 00:13:12,751 and down the wall. 260 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:14,962 Then they disappear. 261 00:13:20,676 --> 00:13:23,512 [ Sighs ] 262 00:13:27,349 --> 00:13:34,147 ♪♪ 263 00:13:34,231 --> 00:13:38,777 Paul: There's Joanne really as a movie star. 264 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:43,490 God, what delicious, sweet, innocent days those were, 265 00:13:43,574 --> 00:13:48,328 and I certainly didn't take much advantage of them. 266 00:13:50,539 --> 00:13:52,624 I taught them how to drive well. 267 00:13:52,708 --> 00:13:56,295 That's probably the extent of my parenting. 268 00:13:56,378 --> 00:14:01,341 ♪♪ 269 00:14:01,425 --> 00:14:06,263 ♪♪ 270 00:14:06,346 --> 00:14:08,056 Nivola: "The thing about Paul was that 271 00:14:08,140 --> 00:14:10,434 he was very realistic about who he was. 272 00:14:10,517 --> 00:14:13,687 He knew the world of hyperbole and distortion he was in." 273 00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:16,523 Can you get a mob together? After what happened to Luther, 274 00:14:16,607 --> 00:14:19,192 I don't think I can get more than 200, 300 guys. 275 00:14:19,276 --> 00:14:20,736 [ Calliope plays ] 276 00:14:20,819 --> 00:14:24,114 "If you're in a position of being viewed iconically, 277 00:14:24,197 --> 00:14:26,825 you better have a mechanism to take yourself down 278 00:14:26,908 --> 00:14:29,077 to keep the balance. 279 00:14:29,161 --> 00:14:31,330 I think we did that for each other." 280 00:14:31,413 --> 00:14:36,168 ♪♪ 281 00:14:36,251 --> 00:14:40,047 She picked him clean. He never missed it. 282 00:14:40,130 --> 00:14:42,674 My God, it's like he's expecting a big night. 283 00:14:42,758 --> 00:14:43,967 [ Muttering ] 284 00:14:44,051 --> 00:14:45,761 "Whatever success one of us would have, 285 00:14:45,844 --> 00:14:47,346 the other one would knock it down." 286 00:14:47,429 --> 00:14:49,348 He's waiting for you in the card room. 287 00:14:49,431 --> 00:14:51,016 Let him wait. 288 00:14:51,099 --> 00:14:54,186 "We used to play lots of pranks on each other. 289 00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:58,231 He began to get into racing, and he got really good. 290 00:14:58,315 --> 00:15:02,944 But he talked so much about it that I got sick of it. 291 00:15:03,028 --> 00:15:06,740 So I had a beaten-up Porsche shell 292 00:15:06,823 --> 00:15:10,410 delivered to his porch for his 50th birthday. 293 00:15:10,494 --> 00:15:12,037 He never said anything. 294 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,040 But not long after, I found a crate of molten metal 295 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:18,126 delivered to the living room of my house. 296 00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:19,920 It dented the floor. 297 00:15:20,003 --> 00:15:21,963 [ Laughs ] 298 00:15:22,047 --> 00:15:25,842 I then had it turned into a really ugly sculpture 299 00:15:25,926 --> 00:15:28,220 and dropped into his garden. 300 00:15:28,303 --> 00:15:30,472 [ Laughs ] 301 00:15:30,555 --> 00:15:35,268 To this day, neither one of us has ever mentioned it." 302 00:15:37,187 --> 00:15:39,439 Just worry about your end, kid. 303 00:15:39,523 --> 00:15:41,775 If we ever get to it. 304 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:45,362 [ Train whistle blowing ] 305 00:15:46,863 --> 00:15:48,448 Rockwell: That's another great one. 306 00:15:48,532 --> 00:15:50,534 That's another great one. Hawke: Have you ever -- 307 00:15:50,617 --> 00:15:53,954 Yeah. Do you remember the card-playing scene in that? 308 00:15:54,037 --> 00:15:56,957 When he pretends to be drunk? Yeah, it's incredible. 309 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,793 He borrows the tie and then wipes his mouth with it. 310 00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:02,421 It's my favorite fucking scene. 311 00:16:02,504 --> 00:16:04,923 It's the best fucking scene. 312 00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:07,759 [ Inhales sharply ] 313 00:16:07,843 --> 00:16:09,970 [ Exhales deeply ] 314 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:12,723 Sorry I'm late, guys. I was taking a crap. 315 00:16:12,806 --> 00:16:14,266 [ Door closes ] The name's Shaw. 316 00:16:14,349 --> 00:16:15,809 Hamilton: "The card-game scene with Bob Shaw 317 00:16:15,892 --> 00:16:19,104 is really just Paul doing things that I'd seen him do. 318 00:16:19,187 --> 00:16:21,356 And all I did was remind him of the things." 319 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,942 We usually require a tie at this table. 320 00:16:24,025 --> 00:16:26,069 If you don't have one, we can get you one. 321 00:16:26,153 --> 00:16:29,281 Hey, that'd be real nice of you. Mr. Lyman. 322 00:16:29,364 --> 00:16:30,824 Lonnegan. 323 00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:32,367 [ Belches ] 324 00:16:34,828 --> 00:16:36,288 Well, finishes me. 325 00:16:36,371 --> 00:16:38,206 Don't worry about it, pal. 326 00:16:38,290 --> 00:16:40,083 [ Laughs ] 327 00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:43,378 [ Sneezes loudly ] 328 00:16:43,462 --> 00:16:46,381 [ Groans, sniffs ] 329 00:16:48,258 --> 00:16:49,926 Three 10s. 330 00:16:52,429 --> 00:16:54,973 [ Laughs ] 331 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:57,476 Tough luck, Longhand, but that's what you get 332 00:16:57,559 --> 00:16:59,311 for playing with your head up your ass. 333 00:16:59,394 --> 00:17:02,397 A couple more like that, we can all go to bed early. 334 00:17:04,316 --> 00:17:07,444 Name's Lonnegan -- Doyle Lonnegan. 335 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:09,946 Woman: You drink too much? 336 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:12,824 Paul: I don't drink too much now, 337 00:17:12,908 --> 00:17:17,579 but I certainly went through a period when I... 338 00:17:17,662 --> 00:17:19,956 was out of control. 339 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,583 When was that? 340 00:17:21,666 --> 00:17:23,585 '70s. 341 00:17:26,129 --> 00:17:33,678 Hawke: One of your sisters might very easily say to me that, 342 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:35,847 you know, "Dad was an alcoholic," right? 343 00:17:35,931 --> 00:17:38,475 And then one of your other sisters said to me, 344 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:40,685 "Oh, that's bullshit." 345 00:17:40,769 --> 00:17:43,563 Can you help me have some insight as to, like -- 346 00:17:43,647 --> 00:17:46,191 I kind of -- I'm trying to make sense 347 00:17:46,274 --> 00:17:49,694 out of all this talk about alcohol. 348 00:17:49,778 --> 00:17:52,697 Who said Pop wasn't an alcoholic of us? 349 00:17:52,781 --> 00:17:54,157 [ Laughs ] 350 00:17:54,241 --> 00:17:57,035 [ Snoring ] 351 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,704 The great Henry Gondorff. 352 00:18:01,164 --> 00:18:03,458 Hawke: I think basically at the end of everybody's interview, 353 00:18:03,542 --> 00:18:06,545 everybody kind of agreed that he was a functioning alcoholic. 354 00:18:06,628 --> 00:18:09,631 Nell: Yes. But there was a lot of resistance to it -- 355 00:18:09,714 --> 00:18:13,093 just to using that word. 356 00:18:13,176 --> 00:18:17,180 You know, it was -- it was definitely destructive. 357 00:18:17,264 --> 00:18:20,892 It was definitely destructive, you know, 358 00:18:20,976 --> 00:18:24,145 because there were times where he was impossible 359 00:18:24,229 --> 00:18:27,566 and that maybe if he didn't drink so much, 360 00:18:27,649 --> 00:18:31,152 it would have been different. 361 00:18:31,236 --> 00:18:35,532 How does somebody get so much done? 362 00:18:35,615 --> 00:18:39,077 That is a really good question. 363 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,246 Lissy: You know, it's almost more frustrating to live 364 00:18:41,329 --> 00:18:44,040 with a very high-functioning drinker, 365 00:18:44,124 --> 00:18:46,793 because he could go pretty hard, 366 00:18:46,877 --> 00:18:49,087 but he wasn't gonna miss work in the morning, 367 00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:51,464 and he was gonna be on time, and he was gonna be ready. 368 00:18:51,548 --> 00:18:53,592 But you know, before going to work, 369 00:18:53,675 --> 00:18:57,888 He would fill the sink with water and ice 370 00:18:57,971 --> 00:19:01,433 and plunges face in there before he went to work. 371 00:19:03,977 --> 00:19:07,439 And it wasn't until I got older that I realized that, 372 00:19:07,522 --> 00:19:10,442 yeah, when you've been drinking all night, 373 00:19:10,525 --> 00:19:13,695 you want to take some of the swelling down. 374 00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:15,655 Is Lonnegan after you, too? 375 00:19:15,739 --> 00:19:17,616 I don't know. 376 00:19:17,699 --> 00:19:19,117 I ain't seen anybody. 377 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,702 You never do, kid. 378 00:19:24,456 --> 00:19:31,296 Our characters rub off onto the actor. 379 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:34,132 Probably one of the areas of great discontent 380 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:36,092 is they probably feel that, as human beings, 381 00:19:36,176 --> 00:19:39,804 there are merely a series of -- 382 00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:44,309 a collection of old characters that they played. 383 00:19:44,392 --> 00:19:47,228 I sometimes get that feeling about myself, 384 00:19:47,312 --> 00:19:50,941 that I.... 385 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:54,486 have.... 386 00:19:54,569 --> 00:19:56,738 you know, become... 387 00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:04,663 ...a series of connectives 388 00:20:04,746 --> 00:20:07,791 between the -- the parts of the characters 389 00:20:07,874 --> 00:20:10,669 that I really like... 390 00:20:10,752 --> 00:20:16,466 and I've strung them together into kind of a human being. 391 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:18,426 Very interesting. 392 00:20:23,932 --> 00:20:28,687 Linney: "This was in Ojai, and it's up from Los Angeles. 393 00:20:28,770 --> 00:20:31,064 We went up to spend an Easter holiday. 394 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:36,027 Paul was away on location, and I took the girls and the nanny, 395 00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:37,779 and it was such a great time. 396 00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:41,199 It was a lot of -- you know, we just remember special moments, 397 00:20:41,283 --> 00:20:45,829 and..." 398 00:20:45,912 --> 00:20:49,124 Clea: You know, I think that most daughters feel -- 399 00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:51,626 you want to be kind of the center -- 400 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:54,421 the center of your dad's attention, right? 401 00:20:54,504 --> 00:20:56,840 And, you know, Dad had a lot on his plate. 402 00:20:56,923 --> 00:21:00,635 And he also had a lot of kids and, you know, an ex-wife. 403 00:21:00,719 --> 00:21:03,513 And it was complicated, 404 00:21:03,596 --> 00:21:06,766 and, you know, when you're a kid, you don't weigh those. 405 00:21:06,850 --> 00:21:09,436 You know, that doesn't mean anything to you. 406 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:12,731 What do you feel like is that you're, you know, 407 00:21:12,814 --> 00:21:16,151 you're not important. 408 00:21:16,234 --> 00:21:21,364 And, you know, I guess I felt that way. 409 00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:26,953 Paul: I knew that I didn't want two things 410 00:21:27,037 --> 00:21:29,748 written on my tombstone -- 411 00:21:29,831 --> 00:21:33,084 "Here lies Paul Newman, who died a failure 412 00:21:33,168 --> 00:21:35,295 because his eyes turned brown." 413 00:21:35,378 --> 00:21:39,424 [ Laughter ] 414 00:21:39,507 --> 00:21:42,510 And the other one was that I... 415 00:21:42,594 --> 00:21:45,096 [ Laughter ] 416 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:46,598 ...I did not want my children 417 00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:48,808 to lay me in the tombstone and said, 418 00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:51,770 "Here lies the old man who was never part of his times." 419 00:21:51,853 --> 00:21:54,314 [ Jet engine roars ] 420 00:21:54,397 --> 00:21:58,318 ♪♪ 421 00:21:58,401 --> 00:22:00,278 Belafonte: I know that all of the artists 422 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:03,198 who sit on this panel tonight feel very strongly 423 00:22:03,281 --> 00:22:05,909 about the war in Vietnam, and you oppose it. 424 00:22:05,992 --> 00:22:08,203 Well, how do you answer people who say to you 425 00:22:08,286 --> 00:22:12,540 that, as a top star, living in the luxury of American life, 426 00:22:12,624 --> 00:22:16,419 that you could turn your back against the nation? Paul: What do you do? 427 00:22:16,503 --> 00:22:19,798 Do you give up your citizenship because you've become an actor? 428 00:22:19,881 --> 00:22:24,469 Woodward: Four little girls, who went to Sunday school that day 429 00:22:24,552 --> 00:22:26,846 and never came back home at all, 430 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:29,849 but left instead their blood upon the wall 431 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:34,312 with spattered flesh and bloodied Sunday dress 432 00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:37,398 torn to shreds by dynamite that China made... 433 00:22:37,482 --> 00:22:43,738 Before one was an artist, he was a human being. 434 00:22:43,822 --> 00:22:45,573 Before one was an artist, 435 00:22:45,657 --> 00:22:50,912 he was a citizen of the nation and of the world. 436 00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:55,333 I dip my broom in blood, my mop in blood, 437 00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:59,796 and blame you for this because you are their enemy. 438 00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:02,799 It's hard to blame me because I am here. 439 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,510 So I kill you and you kill me. 440 00:23:05,593 --> 00:23:09,055 My name, like your name, is war. 441 00:23:09,139 --> 00:23:12,100 He presented himself as the man that he was. 442 00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:15,228 He discussed the issue very frankly and openly. 443 00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:17,147 And then an extraordinary thing happened. 444 00:23:17,230 --> 00:23:18,815 The young people took the man... 445 00:23:18,898 --> 00:23:20,024 Man: And Paul Newman became 446 00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:21,693 the political box office smash... 447 00:23:21,776 --> 00:23:25,530 If you have areas where you feel your own rumblings... 448 00:23:25,613 --> 00:23:30,201 Sherman: "You finally know people by what they do. 449 00:23:30,285 --> 00:23:31,870 It's not by what they say." 450 00:23:31,953 --> 00:23:34,038 Clooney: "It's the biggest feeling I ever had in my life, 451 00:23:34,122 --> 00:23:38,751 to be actively involved in being part of my own times." 452 00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,712 Sherman: "And Paul has proven to me -- 453 00:23:40,795 --> 00:23:42,714 a man, that when I first knew him, 454 00:23:42,797 --> 00:23:46,050 was fundamentally apolitical -- 455 00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:51,222 He's become genuinely committed to the most liberal of causes. 456 00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:54,559 And that in itself is not important to me 457 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:58,313 because I've never confused ethics and politics. 458 00:23:58,396 --> 00:24:00,940 I know some very liberal guys who are shits 459 00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:02,650 and some very conservative people 460 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:06,321 who are quite good people ethically. 461 00:24:06,404 --> 00:24:09,949 But I think both Paul and Joanne, 462 00:24:10,033 --> 00:24:13,912 they're fundamentally very good people." 463 00:24:13,995 --> 00:24:17,248 Newscaster: Big surprise in the first primary of Campaign '68 464 00:24:17,332 --> 00:24:20,335 has been the strength of Senator Eugene McCarthy. 465 00:24:20,418 --> 00:24:22,212 Paul: You know, I'm fed up with the machinery. 466 00:24:22,295 --> 00:24:23,755 I'm fed up with patronage. 467 00:24:23,838 --> 00:24:25,632 I'm fed up with all of that jazz. 468 00:24:25,715 --> 00:24:28,968 I am announcing today my candidacy 469 00:24:29,052 --> 00:24:31,095 for the presidency of the United States. 470 00:24:31,179 --> 00:24:33,598 Paul: How can you beat the machinery? How can you beat the Kennedy money? 471 00:24:33,681 --> 00:24:36,476 How can you beat the Rockefeller money? 472 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:41,105 You're looking at a very tired, aging juvenile here. 473 00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:42,482 I really don't... 474 00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:43,816 Clooney: "This thing I'll always remember 475 00:24:43,900 --> 00:24:45,318 about the whole McCarthy campaign 476 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:47,987 was this cop in New Hampshire. 477 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:50,615 We were going somewhere with a police escort, 478 00:24:50,698 --> 00:24:53,076 and one of the cops received word the night before 479 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:56,496 that his son had been killed in Vietnam. 480 00:24:56,579 --> 00:25:00,708 I offered the cop my sympathy, and he thanked me. 481 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:03,711 Then we stood there. 482 00:25:03,795 --> 00:25:06,464 Finally, I blurted out something. 483 00:25:06,547 --> 00:25:07,799 What did he think about some creep, 484 00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,176 some Hollywood peacenik coming in there 485 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,637 and telling him about the war? 486 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,308 The cop said, no, he didn't represent what I was doing. 487 00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:18,726 'Even if a war takes your boy,' 488 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,479 he said, 'it doesn't make it right.'" 489 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:25,650 Announcer: This is the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite. 490 00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:26,985 Good evening. 491 00:25:27,068 --> 00:25:29,946 Dr. Martin Luther King has been shot to death 492 00:25:30,029 --> 00:25:31,572 in Memphis, Tennessee. 493 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:33,574 Dr. King was standing on the balcony 494 00:25:33,658 --> 00:25:35,910 of his second floor hotel room... 495 00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:39,205 [ Indistinct police radio chatter ] 496 00:25:41,249 --> 00:25:44,544 Man: Do you feel that individuals can really 497 00:25:44,627 --> 00:25:47,922 make a difference in that sort of political process? 498 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:50,800 I don't know whether they can, but I know they must try. 499 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:53,261 Thanks to all of you, and now it's on to Chicago, 500 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,471 and let's win this. Thank you very much. 501 00:25:55,555 --> 00:25:57,098 [ Crowd cheering ] 502 00:25:57,181 --> 00:26:00,768 [ Indistinct conversations ] 503 00:26:00,852 --> 00:26:06,983 ...died at 1:44 a.m. today. He was... 504 00:26:07,066 --> 00:26:08,651 Newscaster: While supporting the police, 505 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,486 the guard exchange shots with snipers... 506 00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:15,074 Paul: I don't have very much sympathy for the people who -- 507 00:26:15,158 --> 00:26:17,535 who honestly feel that history is out of control, 508 00:26:17,618 --> 00:26:20,371 because it's been shown that people can control history, 509 00:26:20,455 --> 00:26:22,707 that they can make fools 510 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:25,793 out of all the political pundits and all the cynics. 511 00:26:25,877 --> 00:26:27,837 My stepson just had his -- 512 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,798 he just graduated from high school, 513 00:26:30,882 --> 00:26:34,218 so I sent him a copy of "Don Quixote." 514 00:26:34,302 --> 00:26:39,807 And I said -- and a copy, also, of Gore Vidal's book, 515 00:26:39,891 --> 00:26:42,518 "Reflections on a Sinking Ship," 516 00:26:42,602 --> 00:26:46,481 which is -- it's essays about the United States. 517 00:26:46,564 --> 00:26:48,566 And I said, you have your choice now. 518 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:52,195 You can either go the way of Don Quixote and try to, 519 00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:53,946 you know, to save the world. 520 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:55,531 And then you read Gore's book, 521 00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:57,575 and you'll see what you've got to save. 522 00:26:57,658 --> 00:27:00,453 And so but all you can do is try, you know... 523 00:27:00,536 --> 00:27:02,747 Ashmanskas: "I think that some people may feel 524 00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:07,460 that their outspokenness could have been harmful. 525 00:27:07,543 --> 00:27:09,337 It's never helpful in a country 526 00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,839 as sectarian as the United States, 527 00:27:11,923 --> 00:27:15,676 where everybody is in a state of, you know, 528 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,721 some sort of agony about something." 529 00:27:18,805 --> 00:27:20,932 Newscaster: ...the convention, the stockyards. 530 00:27:21,015 --> 00:27:24,811 I don't want my stepson to be drafted and all of that. 531 00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:26,187 What do you say to him -- 532 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:28,856 your stepson about being drafted? My stepson? 533 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:30,233 I wouldn't allow him to be. 534 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:31,609 Ashmanskas: "So many groups that say, 535 00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:33,903 'We will never again buy your products 536 00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:35,530 and go see your films.' 537 00:27:35,613 --> 00:27:39,033 I think it takes a bit of courage to go out there, 538 00:27:39,117 --> 00:27:41,494 and I think they both have it." 539 00:27:41,577 --> 00:27:44,956 I keep hoping, somewhere, as I suppose we all do, 540 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,708 that there must come a moment in time when people say, 541 00:27:47,792 --> 00:27:52,880 "Let us grow up. Let us have some kind of humanity." 542 00:27:52,964 --> 00:27:55,091 Killing one person or... 543 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:58,344 "I think it evolved when they were young actors. 544 00:27:58,428 --> 00:28:00,721 They were young actors, and young actors 545 00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:02,932 are like young actors everywhere. 546 00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:07,770 It's, 'Me, me, me, me, me,' and then they grew up, 547 00:28:07,854 --> 00:28:11,399 and they became grown people as well as actors. 548 00:28:11,482 --> 00:28:17,363 So it became a little bit, 'Us, us, us,' as well." 549 00:28:17,447 --> 00:28:19,323 Paul: ...simple act of conscience. 550 00:28:19,407 --> 00:28:22,535 We are sorry that it affects other people, 551 00:28:22,618 --> 00:28:25,746 and yet maybe that's the real force of it. 552 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:28,791 I mean, it is business as usual, and we go about our lives, 553 00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:30,835 and there is no pain in our lives. 554 00:28:30,918 --> 00:28:33,171 And I don't know what war is all about 555 00:28:33,254 --> 00:28:35,673 if it isn't to create pain. 556 00:28:35,756 --> 00:28:39,010 Clooney: "There aren't many smart people who have power, 557 00:28:39,093 --> 00:28:42,889 and you have to use your power to advance truth. 558 00:28:42,972 --> 00:28:45,558 What's money and power worth if you don't do that?" 559 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:47,894 Newscaster: In other news, actors Paul Newman, 560 00:28:47,977 --> 00:28:50,062 Sidney Poitier, and Barbra Streisand 561 00:28:50,146 --> 00:28:52,690 have joined forces to take on Hollywood, 562 00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:55,067 starting a company called First Artists, 563 00:28:55,151 --> 00:28:57,862 who aspire to give the talent more creative control 564 00:28:57,945 --> 00:29:01,866 in their moviemaking in exchange for lower salaries. 565 00:29:01,949 --> 00:29:07,038 ♪♪ 566 00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:08,956 Announcer: First Artists present... 567 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,251 All right! ..."Uptown Saturday Night" 568 00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:15,254 "WUSA" -- love it or leave it. 569 00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:17,215 There's a film that you did called "WUSA" 570 00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:19,050 that's just coming out, and no one has told me 571 00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:21,594 what the title stands for, and all day I've been thinking 572 00:29:21,677 --> 00:29:23,971 of things that WUSA stands for, like -- 573 00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:26,641 It's the call letters for a radio -- 574 00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,226 a right-wing radio stations. 575 00:29:28,309 --> 00:29:30,895 Oh, so it has a political theme, more or less. 576 00:29:30,978 --> 00:29:32,438 Oh, yeah. 577 00:29:32,522 --> 00:29:35,775 Stephanie: Please include my favorite quote of my dad. 578 00:29:35,858 --> 00:29:39,737 The best advice he ever gave me was, 579 00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:43,991 "If you're gonna crash, crash decisively." 580 00:29:44,075 --> 00:29:46,285 ♪ WUSA ♪ 581 00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:48,412 Rheinhardt: Now will leave you with one message, 582 00:29:48,496 --> 00:29:49,914 the big message -- 583 00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:53,292 the future of America is up to you. 584 00:29:53,376 --> 00:30:00,508 ♪♪ 585 00:30:00,591 --> 00:30:01,801 The children of the night -- 586 00:30:01,884 --> 00:30:04,053 what beautiful music they make, huh? 587 00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:08,015 Yeah, I think I'm zeroed in to the big pulse. 588 00:30:08,099 --> 00:30:11,143 I can hear all those dirty feet tapping. 589 00:30:11,227 --> 00:30:13,479 They're all delighted upstairs. 590 00:30:13,563 --> 00:30:16,607 They must have big things in store for you. 591 00:30:16,691 --> 00:30:18,150 Yeah, they're very sweet. 592 00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:20,695 I think they've got big things in store for everybody. 593 00:30:20,778 --> 00:30:22,613 I'll see you, swinger. 594 00:30:25,950 --> 00:30:29,412 Man: What makes some actors political and some not? 595 00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,330 Paul: Oh, I don't know. 596 00:30:31,414 --> 00:30:32,957 You count up your number of children, 597 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,793 and I think the political commitment somehow with me 598 00:30:35,876 --> 00:30:38,129 grew every time I had another child. 599 00:30:38,212 --> 00:30:40,715 These people are hurting, Reinhardt. 600 00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:43,050 They're hurting, and they don't really know what's hurting them. 601 00:30:43,134 --> 00:30:45,011 We're trying to help them find out. 602 00:30:45,094 --> 00:30:46,262 Oh, well put, Bing. 603 00:30:46,345 --> 00:30:49,765 They need us. We need them. 604 00:30:49,849 --> 00:30:52,226 So we hit the issues -- crime. 605 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:54,312 The decline of patriotism. 606 00:30:54,395 --> 00:30:55,855 Welfare checks. 607 00:30:55,938 --> 00:30:58,149 Welfare checks. [ Chuckles ] 608 00:30:58,232 --> 00:31:02,028 Rockwell: "'WUSA' was a project Paul brought to me. 609 00:31:02,111 --> 00:31:04,739 He bought the rights to the Robert Stone book, 610 00:31:04,822 --> 00:31:07,116 and Paul, much more so than 'Cool Hand Luke' -- 611 00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:11,787 he had a real solid fix on how he wanted to be that guy." 612 00:31:11,871 --> 00:31:13,831 You know, sometimes I feel like 613 00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:15,916 I'd just like to run to water and drown. 614 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,002 Don't. 615 00:31:18,085 --> 00:31:19,920 Don't drown. 616 00:31:20,004 --> 00:31:23,049 Don't let them force you to extremes. 617 00:31:25,051 --> 00:31:26,260 You've got to be like me. 618 00:31:26,344 --> 00:31:28,512 You've got to be a master of disguise. 619 00:31:28,596 --> 00:31:31,390 You chase me to water, I'll grow gills 620 00:31:31,474 --> 00:31:34,477 and disappear into a flurry of fins. 621 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,104 "Paul tries to explain to the character of Joanne 622 00:31:37,188 --> 00:31:39,357 in that film at one point what happened to him. 623 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:40,900 He tries to explain to her 624 00:31:40,983 --> 00:31:44,695 that he learned to play the clarinet through the nuns, 625 00:31:44,779 --> 00:31:47,823 and he was an exceedingly good musician. 626 00:31:47,907 --> 00:31:50,534 And if you have talent and you have the creative energy, 627 00:31:50,618 --> 00:31:53,871 you have to use it, because if you don't, it rots 628 00:31:53,954 --> 00:31:57,291 and turns against you and ruins you." 629 00:31:57,375 --> 00:32:00,795 ...and poisons you, and you sort of die of it. 630 00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:02,463 [ Sighs ] 631 00:32:02,546 --> 00:32:05,216 "And the way he describes it is that he woke up one morning..." 632 00:32:05,299 --> 00:32:07,677 I woke up... "...and he fell off his life." 633 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,722 ...and looked down and fell on my life. 634 00:32:11,806 --> 00:32:16,727 Now you think it's easier just being a drunk? 635 00:32:16,811 --> 00:32:17,978 Helps me sleep. 636 00:32:18,062 --> 00:32:19,730 "I just -- I thought that was 637 00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:22,108 a beautiful, brilliant way of putting it." 638 00:32:22,191 --> 00:32:24,235 You got a lot of spite in you, Reinhardt. 639 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:26,904 "Yeah, well, I think the character came more personally 640 00:32:26,987 --> 00:32:30,574 from who Paul was, because he understood the struggle 641 00:32:30,658 --> 00:32:33,911 that a man has with particular demons inside." 642 00:32:33,994 --> 00:32:39,083 You're not gonna tell me how it is, are you, friend? 643 00:32:41,711 --> 00:32:50,010 ♪♪ 644 00:32:50,094 --> 00:32:52,096 Woman: Do you feel that the wind has gone out 645 00:32:52,179 --> 00:32:53,806 of the anti-war groups? 646 00:32:53,889 --> 00:32:56,392 Oh, yes. 647 00:32:56,475 --> 00:32:59,937 Almost as though it had been a fad? 648 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:03,607 That's a very accurate word. 649 00:33:03,691 --> 00:33:07,737 Do you get disheartened? 650 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,948 No, I just get tired. 651 00:33:11,031 --> 00:33:12,283 [ Coughing ] 652 00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:15,327 It's very difficult to sustain your rage. 653 00:33:15,411 --> 00:33:19,373 I mean, if you've been doing it for seven years like I have, 654 00:33:19,457 --> 00:33:23,502 and with apparently no effect, that's the worst part. 655 00:33:23,586 --> 00:33:25,296 God, it's getting heavy, isn't it? 656 00:33:25,379 --> 00:33:27,506 [ Laughter ] 657 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:30,968 But the young people really found something, 658 00:33:31,051 --> 00:33:34,263 or they merely found something to do. 659 00:33:34,346 --> 00:33:37,391 It was not a long-term political commitment. 660 00:33:37,475 --> 00:33:41,312 ♪♪ 661 00:33:41,395 --> 00:33:43,564 Man: You know, do you ever worry about the segment of your fans 662 00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:46,442 that you may alienate, who may love you in the movies, 663 00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:50,404 but they don't agree with you politically? 664 00:33:50,488 --> 00:33:52,198 Oh, I don't know. 665 00:33:52,281 --> 00:33:54,825 I guess that can't really be a consideration. Yeah. 666 00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:59,330 Well, one of my favorite memories of Pop was 667 00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:06,754 when he was named number 19 on Nixon's enemies list, 668 00:34:06,837 --> 00:34:09,507 and he was so filled with glee. 669 00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:13,844 It was just exciting to watch how it filled him, 670 00:34:13,928 --> 00:34:16,639 and he considered it an honor. 671 00:34:18,265 --> 00:34:19,850 It's interesting. 672 00:34:19,934 --> 00:34:21,310 I suppose if you offend nobody, 673 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:24,897 in the final analysis, you have no character. 674 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:26,524 Clooney: "Audiences hated it. 675 00:34:26,607 --> 00:34:28,776 You know, with the heights that I'd reached 676 00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:30,194 with 'Cool Hand Luke,' 677 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:33,697 that was the depths I'd reached with 'WUSA.' 678 00:34:33,781 --> 00:34:36,617 I was a pariah. Nobody wanted to touch me in this town. 679 00:34:36,700 --> 00:34:40,496 How could I take the best, most formidable actor in the world 680 00:34:40,579 --> 00:34:44,708 and come out with something that nobody wanted to see?" 681 00:34:44,792 --> 00:34:52,675 All of my favorite actors had given catastrophic performances. 682 00:34:52,758 --> 00:34:55,344 Like, absolutely insensate shit. 683 00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:58,973 Just, like, not an iota of it works. 684 00:34:59,056 --> 00:35:01,725 What do you know about the value of any life, 685 00:35:01,809 --> 00:35:03,310 you crippled freak? 686 00:35:03,394 --> 00:35:07,898 And it's because the ambition to stretch themselves 687 00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:11,068 and their capacity, to me, is heroic. 688 00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:13,237 I fucking love that. 689 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,740 It is -- and, I mean, he got mocked for this performance. 690 00:35:16,824 --> 00:35:18,742 When someone says something that's a drag, 691 00:35:18,826 --> 00:35:21,996 I got to try to say something that's a worse drag! 692 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:26,208 Sherman: You know, for people who have properly seen "WUSA," 693 00:35:26,292 --> 00:35:30,337 who are still alive, and you go, "Holy shit, what is this?" 694 00:35:30,421 --> 00:35:33,215 And I feel like he's putting his alcoholism in that movie, 695 00:35:33,299 --> 00:35:35,426 they're putting their relationship in that movie, 696 00:35:35,509 --> 00:35:37,761 and it's a continuation of the vow, 697 00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:41,181 which is, "I'm putting my life in front of you." Right. 698 00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:46,103 "I'm opening up even the dark parts of myself. 699 00:35:46,186 --> 00:35:53,152 ♪♪ 700 00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:57,072 Paul: That's me trying to be funny. 701 00:35:57,156 --> 00:35:58,782 Not good. 702 00:35:58,866 --> 00:36:00,826 Linney: "From the first time I met Paul, 703 00:36:00,910 --> 00:36:03,329 I always knew he was a drunk. 704 00:36:05,748 --> 00:36:07,625 We always had Christmas Eve dinner, 705 00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:10,377 and Paul would just get drunk and pass out, 706 00:36:10,461 --> 00:36:13,505 leaving me feeling like the last of the great Christian martyrs 707 00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:16,634 at 1:00 in the morning, filling all the stockings 708 00:36:16,717 --> 00:36:19,470 and putting the things under the Christmas tree." 709 00:36:22,222 --> 00:36:24,224 "What a wonderful person I am, 710 00:36:24,308 --> 00:36:26,477 and that shit over there is getting drunk 711 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,563 while I'm being nice and loving and adorable." 712 00:36:32,566 --> 00:36:35,694 Clooney: "My drinking must have driven Joanne crazy. 713 00:36:35,778 --> 00:36:40,032 We drove each other crazy in different ways. 714 00:36:40,115 --> 00:36:41,951 There's a wonderful kind of balance 715 00:36:42,034 --> 00:36:43,327 about things like that -- 716 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,747 asymmetrical but equal, like the arms race. 717 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:49,625 She had all her missiles and land-based equipment, 718 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:52,670 while most of mine were on submarines." 719 00:36:52,753 --> 00:36:58,050 ♪♪ 720 00:36:58,133 --> 00:37:03,222 ♪♪ 721 00:37:03,305 --> 00:37:07,851 Stern: Joanne, if you were doing a biography of Paul 722 00:37:07,935 --> 00:37:10,521 and you were searching for his Rosebud, 723 00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,357 what would you be searching for? 724 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,068 Woodward: For what it appears he's searching for -- 725 00:37:16,151 --> 00:37:18,821 a kind of peace, serenity -- 726 00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:21,240 what his father was searching for. 727 00:37:21,323 --> 00:37:23,200 ♪ I... ♪ 728 00:37:23,283 --> 00:37:24,576 Hey, that boozing is really 729 00:37:24,660 --> 00:37:26,412 gonna get the best of you, good buddy. 730 00:37:26,495 --> 00:37:29,957 Woodward: Paul has a vast identification with his father. 731 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,210 For years, he was convinced that he was gonna die at 55, 732 00:37:33,293 --> 00:37:36,088 because that's when his father died. 733 00:37:36,171 --> 00:37:39,758 Someday, we'll go to Tibet, and we'll sit on a mountain, 734 00:37:39,842 --> 00:37:41,260 and we'll work it out. 735 00:37:41,343 --> 00:37:43,971 Me too? 736 00:37:44,054 --> 00:37:46,849 Yeah, you too. 737 00:37:46,932 --> 00:37:50,811 I sometimes think that the only peace he really finds 738 00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:54,398 is the peace he used to find in being dead drunk. 739 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:58,777 Now he finds it in racing cars -- peace and grace. 740 00:37:58,861 --> 00:38:03,574 Grace -- the comfort of knowing he's done something well. 741 00:38:03,657 --> 00:38:07,619 ♪ Closer, Lord ♪ 742 00:38:07,703 --> 00:38:10,581 ♪ We'll be ♪ 743 00:38:10,664 --> 00:38:12,458 [ Applause ] 744 00:38:12,541 --> 00:38:14,752 [ Gunshots fire ] 745 00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:22,509 ♪♪ 746 00:38:22,593 --> 00:38:27,765 [ Gunshots fire ] 747 00:38:27,848 --> 00:38:29,933 [ Crowd screaming ] 748 00:38:30,017 --> 00:38:39,401 ♪♪ 749 00:38:39,485 --> 00:38:42,112 [ Speaking indistinctly ] 750 00:38:42,196 --> 00:38:49,119 ♪♪ 751 00:38:49,203 --> 00:38:51,413 [ Screaming continues ] 752 00:38:54,708 --> 00:38:58,462 Let us consider the American way. 753 00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:02,966 The American way is innocent. 754 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:06,804 In each and every situation, we must display an innocence 755 00:39:06,887 --> 00:39:09,723 that is so vast and awesome 756 00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:13,102 that the entire world is reduced by it. 757 00:39:14,311 --> 00:39:17,815 When our boys drop a napalm bomb 758 00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:20,818 on a cluster of gibbering slants, 759 00:39:20,901 --> 00:39:23,362 it's a bomb with a heart, 760 00:39:23,445 --> 00:39:27,407 and inside the heart of that bomb, 761 00:39:27,491 --> 00:39:29,910 mysteriously but truly present, 762 00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:35,249 there's a fat, little, old lady on her way to the world's fair. 763 00:39:35,332 --> 00:39:38,710 [ Screaming continues ] 764 00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:46,677 Our shoulders are broad and sweaty. 765 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:51,223 But our breath is sweet. 766 00:39:51,306 --> 00:39:53,892 Americans... 767 00:39:53,976 --> 00:39:59,690 remember, no matter what anyone says, we're okay. 768 00:39:59,773 --> 00:40:01,150 Clooney: "Now, that was the comment 769 00:40:01,233 --> 00:40:02,901 about where we had come to in the world 770 00:40:02,985 --> 00:40:04,987 and that the whole thing was such a mess 771 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:06,572 that nobody has any answers anymore." 772 00:40:06,655 --> 00:40:10,951 Now, I want you to say that with me. 773 00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:12,578 We're okay! 774 00:40:12,661 --> 00:40:14,163 Come on now. 775 00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:17,040 Say it with me. 776 00:40:17,124 --> 00:40:18,750 We're okay! 777 00:40:18,834 --> 00:40:20,210 Paul: I get despondent, I suppose, 778 00:40:20,294 --> 00:40:23,630 and I despair as much as the next person, 779 00:40:23,714 --> 00:40:25,924 at the size of things and the acceleration of things 780 00:40:26,008 --> 00:40:29,136 and the irreversibility of certain things. 781 00:40:29,219 --> 00:40:31,680 But... 782 00:40:31,763 --> 00:40:33,223 I don't know. 783 00:40:33,307 --> 00:40:35,934 My God, they're interesting times, though, aren't they? 784 00:40:36,018 --> 00:40:39,605 [ Horn blaring, crowd shouting ] 785 00:40:39,688 --> 00:40:43,358 [ Whistle blowing ] 786 00:40:43,442 --> 00:40:46,278 [ Alarm rings ] 787 00:40:46,361 --> 00:40:50,532 Woodward: It was a notably unsuccessful film. 788 00:40:50,616 --> 00:40:52,576 I loved the part. 789 00:40:52,659 --> 00:40:53,994 Aah! 790 00:40:54,077 --> 00:40:55,662 I understood that part. 791 00:40:55,746 --> 00:40:57,623 I don't quite know why. 792 00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:07,090 Linney: "I could never make him understand that I had 793 00:41:07,174 --> 00:41:08,675 the most awful terror 794 00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:11,094 of what might have been happening. 795 00:41:11,178 --> 00:41:16,433 I said, 'I don't care what it is, but I need to know.' 796 00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:18,936 The worst is not knowing when something is wrong, 797 00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,980 because you do know. 798 00:41:22,064 --> 00:41:23,482 I know. 799 00:41:23,565 --> 00:41:26,944 My instincts are incredible, 800 00:41:27,027 --> 00:41:30,697 which is obviously why he finally confessed it all." 801 00:41:34,284 --> 00:41:39,957 Woodward: Nobody understands anybody else's relationships. 802 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,500 I mean, you know how you can see 803 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:43,543 people who are married to people, and you think, 804 00:41:43,627 --> 00:41:45,712 "Why are they married to each other?" 805 00:41:45,796 --> 00:41:46,964 [ Laughter ] 806 00:41:47,047 --> 00:41:48,882 And nobody knows because only the two people 807 00:41:48,966 --> 00:41:52,803 who are involved know what binds that relationship together. 808 00:41:52,886 --> 00:41:54,805 Cavett: Your wife said a lot of interesting things 809 00:41:54,888 --> 00:41:57,683 when she was here. She's not here, is she? 810 00:41:57,766 --> 00:41:59,101 [ Laughter ] 811 00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:00,686 No. No? 812 00:42:00,769 --> 00:42:02,145 [ Laughter ] 813 00:42:02,229 --> 00:42:03,355 That's amazing, I think. 814 00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,232 If you were Paul Newman's wife, ladies, 815 00:42:05,315 --> 00:42:07,484 would you let him go out alone like this? 816 00:42:07,567 --> 00:42:10,153 [ Audience shouting indistinctly ] 817 00:42:10,237 --> 00:42:12,155 Man: I'm not sure if it was Johnny or a guest host -- 818 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,076 asked Paul Newman if he ever thought about cheating 819 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:17,995 without taking a beat, he said, 820 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:19,830 "Why should I go out for hamburgers 821 00:42:19,913 --> 00:42:21,915 when I have steak at home?" 822 00:42:21,999 --> 00:42:24,626 [ Applause ] 823 00:42:30,632 --> 00:42:32,175 Woman: Did you hear what Joanne said? 824 00:42:32,259 --> 00:42:34,261 I heard it. "I'm a vegetarian." 825 00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:36,513 [ Laughter ] 826 00:42:36,596 --> 00:42:38,849 Woodward: That could have ended our relationship. 827 00:42:38,932 --> 00:42:41,101 Woman: Seriously? Yeah. 828 00:42:41,184 --> 00:42:44,855 I mean, what a chauvinist statement. 829 00:42:44,938 --> 00:42:48,066 I am not a piece of meat, for God's sake. 830 00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:50,444 I -- ugh! 831 00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:56,616 I mean, every time that quote pops up, 832 00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,452 I want to kill. 833 00:42:58,535 --> 00:43:01,330 Why are you so mean? 834 00:43:05,459 --> 00:43:06,710 Self-defense. 835 00:43:06,793 --> 00:43:08,378 Self-defense. 836 00:43:08,462 --> 00:43:11,256 Nell: You know, the whole, "Why go out for steak when I can -- 837 00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:13,383 or why go out for burgers when I have steak at home?" 838 00:43:13,467 --> 00:43:14,885 I mean, that whole line... 839 00:43:14,968 --> 00:43:17,220 Drunk as it gets, aren't you? That's right. 840 00:43:17,304 --> 00:43:21,558 I -- you know, between you and I and the microphone, 841 00:43:21,641 --> 00:43:24,644 those were hard times, you know? 842 00:43:24,728 --> 00:43:28,231 'Cause I can walk out any goddamn time! 843 00:43:28,315 --> 00:43:31,276 I can walk out on anything! I know how it's done! 844 00:43:33,362 --> 00:43:35,614 Lissy: I've always felt, with my mom, it's kind of like 845 00:43:35,697 --> 00:43:37,657 you make your bed, and you lie in it. 846 00:43:37,741 --> 00:43:39,034 You don't think I would? 847 00:43:39,117 --> 00:43:42,245 You know, you have to lie in it. 848 00:43:42,329 --> 00:43:43,622 You son of a bitch. 849 00:43:43,705 --> 00:43:45,082 Well, you know, you take a risk 850 00:43:45,165 --> 00:43:47,918 by having a relationship with someone 851 00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:49,252 who was willing to do that. 852 00:43:49,336 --> 00:43:52,422 If they were willing to do it to someone else, 853 00:43:52,506 --> 00:43:54,758 then it is likely that they would be willing 854 00:43:54,841 --> 00:43:56,760 to do it to you, and I think that any woman 855 00:43:56,843 --> 00:44:00,430 that embarks on that kind of relationship 856 00:44:00,514 --> 00:44:02,974 always has that in the back of her mind. 857 00:44:06,603 --> 00:44:09,981 Nell: I found a book that was written by somebody 858 00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:11,691 he'd had an affair with, 859 00:44:11,775 --> 00:44:13,777 and it was in the drawer in the bathroom. 860 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:16,947 And I remember, you know, there's a terrible moment there, 861 00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:19,449 where, you know, you realize that your parents -- 862 00:44:19,533 --> 00:44:21,952 or your dad is fallible. 863 00:44:22,035 --> 00:44:30,252 ♪♪ 864 00:44:30,335 --> 00:44:35,799 Woodward: And the suicide scene in it was 865 00:44:35,882 --> 00:44:38,844 one of the most rewarding scenes I've ever done. 866 00:44:38,927 --> 00:44:42,013 It really was some kind of catharsis for me. 867 00:44:42,097 --> 00:44:43,473 [ Clattering ] 868 00:44:43,557 --> 00:44:46,476 [ Music plays, applause ] 869 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:56,278 ♪♪ 870 00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:58,238 Talking with the Newmans. 871 00:44:58,321 --> 00:44:59,948 Oh, I almost said "the Woodwards." 872 00:45:00,031 --> 00:45:01,658 [ Laughter ] 873 00:45:01,741 --> 00:45:03,827 Not bloody likely. Listen, it'll help me 874 00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:05,912 an awful lot if you'd do that -- quite a bit. 875 00:45:05,996 --> 00:45:07,330 You must trust him. 876 00:45:07,414 --> 00:45:08,999 You've put your career in his hands now. 877 00:45:09,082 --> 00:45:11,793 You've let him direct you, and you've let him direct 878 00:45:11,877 --> 00:45:13,879 one of your actual children, 879 00:45:13,962 --> 00:45:19,259 and say, you are so good for your age. 880 00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:20,844 [ Laughter ] 881 00:45:20,927 --> 00:45:22,179 No, I'm saying -- 882 00:45:22,262 --> 00:45:23,805 [ Laughs ] 883 00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:25,682 There's no way to not sound vapid, 884 00:45:25,765 --> 00:45:28,018 you know, on a talk show, when you send somebody's film 885 00:45:28,101 --> 00:45:29,478 and you have them on as a guest. 886 00:45:29,561 --> 00:45:32,189 But let's take a look at part of "Marigolds." 887 00:45:32,272 --> 00:45:35,525 It's really quite an affecting movie to see. 888 00:45:35,609 --> 00:45:37,360 Here we go. 889 00:45:37,444 --> 00:45:40,155 Yeah, that's some things you never forget, Ruth. 890 00:45:40,238 --> 00:45:42,199 Just little moments you never forget. 891 00:45:42,282 --> 00:45:45,202 In your whole life, you never forget certain moments. 892 00:45:45,285 --> 00:45:47,996 Announcer: Four years ago, he directed her 893 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,373 in the award-winning film "Rachel, Rachel." 894 00:45:50,457 --> 00:45:54,669 Now Paul Newman has directed Joanne Woodward again 895 00:45:54,753 --> 00:45:56,087 in the motion picture 896 00:45:56,171 --> 00:45:59,049 of the 1971 Pulitzer Prize-winning play 897 00:45:59,132 --> 00:46:02,385 "The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds." 898 00:46:02,469 --> 00:46:05,055 Man: [ Speaking French ] 899 00:46:11,228 --> 00:46:12,896 Man: 1972, you made 900 00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:15,565 "The Effect of Gamma Rays on Man-in-the-Moon Marigolds." 901 00:46:15,649 --> 00:46:18,109 You didn't actually like the part, did you? 902 00:46:18,193 --> 00:46:19,569 Woodward: To say I didn't like it 903 00:46:19,653 --> 00:46:21,988 is the understatement of the year. 904 00:46:22,072 --> 00:46:23,782 I hated it. I hated it. 905 00:46:23,865 --> 00:46:27,744 That goddamn rabbit is gonna drive me straight up the wall. 906 00:46:27,827 --> 00:46:30,455 This house is just filled with rabbit crap. 907 00:46:30,539 --> 00:46:32,916 Everybody has a certain amount of ugliness in them, 908 00:46:32,999 --> 00:46:35,126 but it's very difficult to take all of that ugliness out 909 00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:38,922 and just display it and say, "Here is the ugly me." 910 00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:41,132 As a matter of fact, this entire junk heap 911 00:46:41,216 --> 00:46:43,301 gets a thorough cleaning tomorrow. 912 00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:58,942 I hated the person. 913 00:46:59,025 --> 00:47:03,029 I understood her, but I hated what she was. 914 00:47:03,113 --> 00:47:05,365 Also, my own daughter was playing my daughter, 915 00:47:05,448 --> 00:47:08,493 and in the picture, of course, I was very unkind to her. 916 00:47:08,577 --> 00:47:10,453 That was very difficult for me to do. 917 00:47:10,537 --> 00:47:11,955 Are you all right? 918 00:47:26,511 --> 00:47:28,847 Lissy: It was really, really evident that my mom 919 00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:31,474 was bringing home the character, and Beatrice Hunsdorfer 920 00:47:31,558 --> 00:47:35,186 is a horrible character to bring home. 921 00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:36,980 I'll say something simple. 922 00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:40,525 If you win, I'll say... 923 00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:42,986 "I'm very proud." 924 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:44,279 [ Sniffles ] 925 00:47:44,362 --> 00:47:48,992 And I'll say, "My heart is full." 926 00:47:49,075 --> 00:47:50,327 That's all right, isn't it? 927 00:47:50,410 --> 00:47:52,996 I don't have to go into a big thing, do I? 928 00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,665 No. [ Sniffles ] 929 00:47:55,749 --> 00:47:57,459 I won't even win. 930 00:47:57,542 --> 00:47:59,586 Then I don't think you'd have to say anything. 931 00:47:59,669 --> 00:48:01,004 [ Sniffles ] 932 00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:06,509 "My heart is full." 933 00:48:06,593 --> 00:48:08,219 Classy. 934 00:48:09,512 --> 00:48:14,100 Paul: Each of us have a certain amount of monster in us. 935 00:48:14,184 --> 00:48:15,352 [ Horn blares ] 936 00:48:15,435 --> 00:48:18,521 But we're not called upon to deliver that 937 00:48:18,605 --> 00:48:21,650 8 hours a day and look at it when you go home 938 00:48:21,733 --> 00:48:24,527 and stick your face in the mirror. 939 00:48:24,611 --> 00:48:29,824 So it was just -- it was an actual, 940 00:48:29,908 --> 00:48:33,119 almost organic change that happened... 941 00:48:35,455 --> 00:48:38,416 ...with her. It was visible. 942 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,711 It was a physical change. Her whole face changed. 943 00:48:41,795 --> 00:48:46,841 ♪♪ 944 00:48:51,137 --> 00:48:52,889 Nell: I mean, I'd read the script. 945 00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:55,308 I know what was -- knew what was gonna happen. 946 00:48:55,392 --> 00:48:57,936 I was 13 years old. 947 00:49:02,273 --> 00:49:04,985 And Dad came over, and he said, 948 00:49:05,068 --> 00:49:10,198 "Your mother is going to act very strangely," 949 00:49:10,281 --> 00:49:14,869 and, you know, to just remember that she's just acting. 950 00:49:23,169 --> 00:49:24,421 And it was -- 951 00:49:24,504 --> 00:49:26,798 And her performance was so astonishing... 952 00:49:26,881 --> 00:49:28,883 She's feeling pretty good. Let's not embarrass her. 953 00:49:28,967 --> 00:49:32,554 ...when she, you know staggers down that aisle, 954 00:49:32,637 --> 00:49:34,097 that it did -- 955 00:49:34,180 --> 00:49:36,099 You can see from the expression on my face, 956 00:49:36,182 --> 00:49:38,435 you know, it was shocking. 957 00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:47,777 My heart is full. 958 00:49:55,952 --> 00:49:57,495 [ Sobs quietly ] 959 00:49:57,579 --> 00:50:01,666 My heart is full. 960 00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:04,627 [ Giggles ] 961 00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:19,392 My heart is full! 962 00:50:31,946 --> 00:50:34,282 Lissy: I think she was channeling, 963 00:50:34,365 --> 00:50:40,497 using as a source for her regret and her sadness and her rage 964 00:50:40,580 --> 00:50:43,166 and whatever she was doing with Beatrice Hunsdorfer 965 00:50:43,249 --> 00:50:46,085 and that she was drawing on a complex relationship 966 00:50:46,169 --> 00:50:48,838 with my father, who was then directing her. 967 00:50:48,922 --> 00:50:52,050 And I think a lot of that rage, you know, and that complexity 968 00:50:52,133 --> 00:50:54,010 was generated from the relationship. 969 00:50:54,093 --> 00:50:58,389 You know, that's part of the complexity that, 970 00:50:58,473 --> 00:51:00,183 to me, it's fascinating. 971 00:51:00,266 --> 00:51:03,603 ♪♪ 972 00:51:03,686 --> 00:51:08,107 She said it was just one of those things. 973 00:51:08,191 --> 00:51:09,692 Things happen. 974 00:51:09,776 --> 00:51:12,362 ♪♪ 975 00:51:12,445 --> 00:51:15,323 Well, what if people get married before then? 976 00:51:15,406 --> 00:51:16,991 That's a good question. 977 00:51:17,075 --> 00:51:23,039 ♪♪ 978 00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:28,878 ♪♪ 979 00:51:28,962 --> 00:51:32,757 People stay married 'cause they want to, Charley, 980 00:51:32,841 --> 00:51:35,009 not because the doors are locked. 981 00:51:35,093 --> 00:51:42,392 ♪♪ 982 00:51:42,475 --> 00:51:49,774 ♪♪ 983 00:51:49,858 --> 00:51:56,990 ♪♪ 984 00:51:57,073 --> 00:52:00,743 Clooney: "Joanne and I have had our hurdles. 985 00:52:00,827 --> 00:52:04,414 Sometimes Joanne was just as adolescent as I was." 986 00:52:04,497 --> 00:52:12,922 ♪♪ 987 00:52:13,006 --> 00:52:21,389 ♪♪ 988 00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,391 "It's relativity in all things. 989 00:52:23,474 --> 00:52:25,101 No absolutes. 990 00:52:25,184 --> 00:52:28,438 There's no absolute in truth. There's no absolute in falsity. 991 00:52:28,521 --> 00:52:32,191 There's no absolute in what constitutes a middle way. 992 00:52:32,275 --> 00:52:36,279 Relativity in all things." 993 00:52:36,362 --> 00:52:39,240 I think we could make it now. 994 00:52:39,324 --> 00:52:44,621 ♪♪ 995 00:52:44,704 --> 00:52:50,084 ♪♪ 996 00:52:50,168 --> 00:52:52,629 Otherwise... 997 00:52:52,712 --> 00:52:56,466 Otherwise, we just went through the whole painful mess 998 00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:58,301 for nothing. 999 00:52:58,384 --> 00:53:06,434 ♪♪ 1000 00:53:06,517 --> 00:53:08,728 "Orphans grow up late, I think." 1001 00:53:08,811 --> 00:53:10,188 ♪♪ 1002 00:53:10,271 --> 00:53:13,816 "At least these two did." 1003 00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:23,660 ♪♪ 1004 00:53:23,743 --> 00:53:28,122 Now, if you think we can make it, we can make it. 1005 00:53:30,416 --> 00:53:39,050 ♪♪ 1006 00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:42,804 [ Birds chirping ] 1007 00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:47,642 [ Intro to "Peaceful Morning" playing ] 1008 00:53:47,725 --> 00:53:53,648 ♪♪ 1009 00:53:53,731 --> 00:53:59,696 ♪♪ 1010 00:53:59,779 --> 00:54:05,493 ♪♪ 1011 00:54:05,576 --> 00:54:11,207 ♪ I thought I heard the angels, Lord ♪ 1012 00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:16,212 ♪ When I was on the chapel floor ♪ 1013 00:54:16,295 --> 00:54:20,174 ♪ But I'll never be sure ♪ 1014 00:54:20,258 --> 00:54:25,680 ♪ Those old, familiar harmonies ♪ 1015 00:54:25,763 --> 00:54:31,144 ♪ They carried us through New Orleans ♪ 1016 00:54:31,227 --> 00:54:34,188 ♪ In ice water ♪ 1017 00:54:34,272 --> 00:54:36,858 ♪ Smacking kisses ♪ 1018 00:54:36,941 --> 00:54:41,696 ♪ Sour lemon mouthfuls ♪ 1019 00:54:41,779 --> 00:54:44,782 ♪ Of black hours ♪ 1020 00:54:44,866 --> 00:54:47,368 ♪ Seersucker ♪ 1021 00:54:47,452 --> 00:54:50,288 ♪ Powdered sugar ♪ 1022 00:54:50,371 --> 00:54:52,582 ♪ Moon glow ♪ 1023 00:54:52,665 --> 00:54:57,086 ♪ I know when you're with me ♪ 1024 00:54:57,170 --> 00:55:02,258 ♪ That your spirit's gonna lift me ♪ 1025 00:55:02,341 --> 00:55:07,597 ♪ So I never change directions ♪ 1026 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:13,352 ♪ And I never ask no questions ♪ 1027 00:55:13,436 --> 00:55:19,025 ♪ Oh, I wish I could hear it ♪ 1028 00:55:19,108 --> 00:55:24,113 ♪ 'Cause I still feel the spirit ♪ 1029 00:55:24,197 --> 00:55:29,368 ♪ From the rafters to the ceiling ♪