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[Dual] My name is Dual, short

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from the word dualism.

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Which to me was the idea that

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every day I woke up

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in this world that was

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divided right down the middle,

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there's two sides.

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There was the positive

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negative.

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There was the black, white

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there was the high, low.

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There's was just everything was

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divided up.

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And at the same

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time, myself, I was

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living this kind of like dual

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life of

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having a regular nine

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to five job,

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serving coffee, printing

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shirts, whatever it was

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I was doing.

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[Dual] And then at

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night, I would transform and

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turn into this alter ego and go

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out and and put up the work

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on the streets.

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[Dual] Once you get into it, it'

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hard it's a very addicting

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thing, it's a very obsessive

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thing.

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Especially when it's just

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individuals going out there

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to try to get their name out

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there as much as they can, as

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big as they can, as you

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know, as bright as they can, it

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just ends up being this

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competitive sport.

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And then it pretty much

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fed this crush, kill, destroy

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mentality when I first started

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doing graffiti where I was just

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obsessed with wanting to see my

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name on

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everything around.

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I'll probably never, ever

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not want to write my name on

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something like

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it's an addiction for sure.

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The illegal graffiti aspect

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of of my

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past work.

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Kind of gave credibility,

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it gave it more of a meaning.

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It's amazing that there is that

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opportunity to bridge

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the gap from being

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an illegal graffiti artist

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to doing commercial work for

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big companies.

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[Jaber] I'm going to try to take

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you toa place that has a light

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source so we won't have to worry

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that. You know what I mean?

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Like, you'll have to

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you know, adjust your

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ISO pretty low, but...

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So what color scheme

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are we doing?

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[Jaber] It all depends on how

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much paint I have really.

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Maybe greens?

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Maybe.

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Maybe not.

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So I think that's the color

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scheme I'm looking at.

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Green fills

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outline black,

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highlights this is the

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background, this

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for a double.

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I dont know what this will be

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but this is bright.

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[Jaber] Yeah, man, we got

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Enemies. The police are our

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enemies. The gang task force,

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those areour enemies. Vandal

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squad, those are our enemies.

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They are trying to

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incarcerate us.

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[Jaber] They are not

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appreciating this art. They are

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saying "you're a criminal.

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I'm trying to get ya.”

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[Jaber] Graffiti is

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a great love story, and it's

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a great movie, it's a positive,

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uplifting movie, but for a lot

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of people, graffiti

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is a tragedy.

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It ruins their life, you know

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what I mean? They get a felony

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charge. They can't get a job.

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They go to jail.

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I know tons of people

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that have gotten in trouble for

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graffiti and it's just changed

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their life.

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You do a year in jail.

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It's going to change your life.

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You go to prison, it's going to

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change your life.

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[Jaber] So graffiti has a

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horrible side to it.

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And that is the

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crime side.

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The crime side is not always

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glamorous.

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It looks glamorous on

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Instagram, but it's not,

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not if you get in trouble.

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[Jaber] I love graffiti with a

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passion but graffiti

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is not always the easiest

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thing for a lot of people.

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When I first got

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into graffiti,

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I definitely

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got addicted to it.

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It was definitely a drug.

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Um, and

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it's a drug that

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you can be totally consumed

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with because once you do some

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graffiti, you just want to do

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more. You know, once you finish

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one piece, you're like,

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OK, I know what I did wrong

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here and what I want to do

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right. What I want to change

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and I want to try a different

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color. I want to do another

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one. So it's an

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addictive behavior

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that comes really strong.

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And when I was younger,

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I was definitely addicted.

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I still am today,

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but when I was younger, I

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didn't know how to balance it.

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And so I think

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being addicted to graffiti

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alienated me

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from a lot of people and a lot

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of relationships.

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[Jaber] Sometimes you could be

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very competitive and that

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could change how you

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look at each other and how you

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talk to each other and how you

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treat each other, and

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slowly but surely you

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end your relationships, because

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you're so fucking

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competitive

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that you want to do better

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graffiti than your friend that

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you've known since you were

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seven, you know.

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[Jaber] But I think to other

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people graffiti could be

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something like, see, look,

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there’s a car right there.

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a train worker

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or a bull,

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which means.

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That he is just doing a

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round about check to make sure

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nobody's painting these trains

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like we just did.

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[Meres] The adrenaline rush

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is is a whole different sport.

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[Meres] The heart pumping, the

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idea of am I going to pull it

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off and get away with it,

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if you do get seen

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and you have to run

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the chase, the thrill.

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[Meres] as a young kid, I would

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go and explore either dead

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tracks, which are like

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freight lines

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that are endless miles of

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freight, where you you know,

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you go in and you do pieces or

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do rooftops.

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rooftop and do something

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at night or you do street

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tagging, which is very quick in

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and out.

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You know, you can't be spending

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more than a few minutes

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on a spot and you have to look

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out for potential cops

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or whatever.

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[Sloke] It's like a ninja in the

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middle of the night man, you

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know get in, get out, go back

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the next day, take a flick of

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your piece like your proud.

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You know, you're like I painted

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that. Now you would'nt go

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around telling people you

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painted it because it was

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[Jaber] You kind of have a

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split personality in a way.

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You have to be a Clark Kent and

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a Superman.

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You don't really want to tell

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people that you're doing crimes

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right if you're intelligent.

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[Jaber] So you have to keep it

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under wraps.

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You have to live your daily

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life and go to work or

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whatever you do.

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And then at night, you

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put on your cape, a.k.a.

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your mask and you go paint.

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It's a dual personality

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thing and that takes a toll

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on your life.

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[Sloke] I don't know why I do

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graffiti man. I don't know why

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that 31 years later, I'm still

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writing my name on walls.

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Other than the fact that,

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I love it.

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[Sloke] It's like a drug, I mean

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once you get bit by that bug,

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it's like good luck

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quitting.

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I got arrested and went to jail

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for it like I kept doing it.

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[Dual] You want to be seen

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in your city, every possible

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location, freeway, sign,

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trash can, whatever it is

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that you put your name on, you

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want it to be all over the city.

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[Dual] To me, a city not having

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graffiti is basically a city

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with no soul.

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[Sloke]What it boils down to

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for me is graffiti is about

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style, your style

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is a reflection of who you are.

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[Jaber] The purpose of graffiti,

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I think it's to explore

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different ways to

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make a letter,

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to see all

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the possibilities of what a

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letter can look like.

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[Meres] A graffiti art solely

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the art of lettering

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[Meres] From tags to

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throw ups, which are quick

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bubbly ways to get your name

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out there,

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to pieces which

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are where you take the

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lettering and kind of put a

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little bevels and

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kicks to it and nothing to

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major and wild style,

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which is lettering, but with

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intricate kind of interwoven

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bars and arrows that

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that kind of camouflage the

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letters.

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[Sloke] The idea was like to get

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your name up and

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and have it stay up,

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you know. But we all knew that

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everything is temporary,

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especially in this artform.

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[Sloke] So graffiti, it was a

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it was a means for people to

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express their opinion

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and to get their voice heard.

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These are our streets and we're

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taking it back.

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[Reporter] I just saw you spray

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paint your tag.

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What are you saying

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you do that?

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[Unknown] I'm saying that that

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I'm a person and that my name

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should be recognized.

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You know what im saying, I'm an

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at least so I'm recognized for

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something.

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[Meres] We are going to leave

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our name and we were here, you

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know, it's like it's like your

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stamp. I was here and

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I'm moving along.

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[Sloke] We did it for us.

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We did it for the art form.

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And we did it because we

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we loved it, period.

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It was fun, still is.

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We didn't care that the public

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didn't understand it.

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We didn't care if the public

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couldn't read what we wrote.

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We did it for us.

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This is who I am, you

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know, almost like,

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fuck the system.

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[Jaber] I mean, graffiti in

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general, you know, it is illegal

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if it's on a legal wall,

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it's not graffiti,

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it becomes

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labeled as art.

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[Meres] Graffiti art and street

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are two separate identities.

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What ties us together is that

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we, we are both

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creating our art masterpieces

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and putting them on

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the street for the world to see.

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[Sloke] Street art is like a

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kiss the cheek, graffiti is

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like a punch to mouth.

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[Meres] Street art is done with

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many mediums.

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It can be done with stencil,

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which is where you spray the

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stencil and when you remove the

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stencil, you're left with a

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fine tuned image.

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Chalk, paint brush, anything

353
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goes with street art, in

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some instances, graffiti

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writers don't really care

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for street art.

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And me personally, I like art

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in general. So as long

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as it's good, Im for it.

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[Never] I mean, in theory, I'm a

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street artist, cause I paint on

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the streets like murals are done

363
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in public, but I

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think where street art, the

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name kind of got co-opted and

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became synonymous with, like

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stencils and stickers.

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[Jaber] I consider myself a

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graffiti artist first,

370
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muralist and the street

371
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artist, part time.

372
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I got it into graffiti from

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skateboarding, I was a skater.

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It was kind of a trendy

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thing to do, I guess is

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have a tag and tag at the local

377
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skate spots.

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[Jaber] So when street art first

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came out, it was to graffiti

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artists, it was very similar to

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rollerbladers vs skateboarding.

382
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When rollerbladers came on the

383
00:16:01,377 --> 00:16:02,419
scene, oh, they could skate

384
00:16:02,419 --> 00:16:03,128
there just fine

385
00:16:03,128 --> 00:16:05,047
doing the same damage,

386
00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,007
but they're accepted.

387
00:16:07,007 --> 00:16:08,509
Same thing when Street art

388
00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:09,968
first came out to graffiti

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00:16:09,968 --> 00:16:11,303
writers, it's like, who the

390
00:16:11,303 --> 00:16:12,680
fuck are these guys?

391
00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,807
You know, they're using tools

392
00:16:14,807 --> 00:16:16,725
that are very easy to do,

393
00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:19,144
stencils, wheat paste.

394
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They don't take the

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time to learn the craft

396
00:16:22,606 --> 00:16:24,316
and learn about can control

397
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or even learn about lettering,

398
00:16:25,734 --> 00:16:26,694
for that matter.

399
00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:30,197
So the graffiti writers probably

400
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didn't like the street art so

401
00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:32,658
much. Through the years

402
00:16:32,658 --> 00:16:34,284
they've kind of, you know,

403
00:16:34,284 --> 00:16:35,828
kind of meshed and it's more

404
00:16:35,828 --> 00:16:36,620
accepted.

405
00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:38,163
But when they first came out,

406
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:39,790
it was like something to be

407
00:16:39,790 --> 00:16:42,334
laughed at or something to be

408
00:16:42,334 --> 00:16:43,669
criticized a little bit more.

409
00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:52,344
[Jaber] The thing about the

410
00:16:52,344 --> 00:16:53,721
graffiti writer is the graffiti

411
00:16:53,721 --> 00:16:56,140
writer has a pretty big ego

412
00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:57,808
and a lot of times the ego

413
00:16:57,808 --> 00:16:59,435
is based on your

414
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accomplishments or what

415
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:02,354
kind of

416
00:17:03,105 --> 00:17:04,815
notoriety you have or what

417
00:17:04,815 --> 00:17:06,567
kind of prolific attitude

418
00:17:06,567 --> 00:17:08,026
you have. If you paint a lot,

419
00:17:08,026 --> 00:17:10,070
if you put your ass at risk

420
00:17:10,070 --> 00:17:11,405
all the time,

421
00:17:11,405 --> 00:17:12,865
you're going to think that you

422
00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,241
are more important.

423
00:17:14,241 --> 00:17:16,076
And what makes

424
00:17:16,076 --> 00:17:17,619
the graffiti writer a little

425
00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,163
upset about the street artist

426
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,956
is that graffiti

427
00:17:20,956 --> 00:17:22,708
artist doesn't think the

428
00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,251
street artist has put in

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00:17:24,251 --> 00:17:25,252
that work.

430
00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:30,883
[Jaber] Nowadays, you have a lot

431
00:17:30,883 --> 00:17:32,176
of these street artists just

432
00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:34,386
jumping right from the street,

433
00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:36,388
if even that to the galleries,

434
00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:37,765
they just jump right to the

435
00:17:37,765 --> 00:17:39,183
galleries and say, I'm a street

436
00:17:39,183 --> 00:17:40,809
artist and the gallery

437
00:17:40,809 --> 00:17:42,561
people really don't know.

438
00:17:42,561 --> 00:17:43,896
You could spend a month on the

439
00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:45,022
street and they jump to a

440
00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:46,607
gallery and say, yeah, I do

441
00:17:46,607 --> 00:17:48,692
all this street art.

442
00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:50,194
And so the graffiti writer

443
00:17:50,194 --> 00:17:52,070
doesn't like that either.

444
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:53,614
Why would the graffiti artist

445
00:17:53,614 --> 00:17:55,783
risk all this freedom,

446
00:17:55,783 --> 00:17:57,534
spend all this time perfecting

447
00:17:57,534 --> 00:17:59,077
their craft, and then all of a

448
00:17:59,077 --> 00:18:00,913
sudden this guy over here

449
00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:02,581
skips all those steps and

450
00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,249
goes straight to the gallery

451
00:18:04,249 --> 00:18:05,626
and makes money.

452
00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:06,877
So there might be a little

453
00:18:06,877 --> 00:18:07,628
jealousy there.

454
00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:09,421
There might be a little
animosity.

455
00:18:09,421 --> 00:18:10,923
There might be a little hate.

456
00:18:17,888 --> 00:18:19,139
[Dual] You've got artists that

457
00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:21,099
are just pushing the art form

458
00:18:21,099 --> 00:18:23,185
of using a spray can

459
00:18:23,185 --> 00:18:25,437
and taking it from just

460
00:18:25,437 --> 00:18:27,648
writing your name on a wall

461
00:18:27,648 --> 00:18:29,483
to creating fine

462
00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:31,109
pieces of art with an

463
00:18:31,109 --> 00:18:32,361
aerosol can.

464
00:18:32,361 --> 00:18:34,238
And because of that now,

465
00:18:34,238 --> 00:18:36,115
it's created a greater

466
00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:37,783
acceptance of it to

467
00:18:37,783 --> 00:18:39,493
where everybody

468
00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:41,328
wants a wall painted

469
00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:42,704
now.

470
00:18:42,704 --> 00:18:44,331
So graffiti has become accepted

471
00:18:44,331 --> 00:18:45,582
so, so much more.

472
00:18:45,582 --> 00:18:47,376
It paved the way for

473
00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:48,585
all the street artists that you

474
00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:49,920
have now. And now you have all

475
00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,713
these commercials on

476
00:18:51,713 --> 00:18:53,882
TV by high end companies

477
00:18:53,882 --> 00:18:55,551
that are using

478
00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:57,594
graffiti and street art

479
00:18:57,594 --> 00:18:58,804
to basically push their

480
00:18:58,804 --> 00:19:00,556
products and to

481
00:19:00,556 --> 00:19:02,307
have that hip factor, you know.

482
00:19:04,101 --> 00:19:05,811
It's created a renaissance

483
00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:07,771
of art where artists

484
00:19:07,771 --> 00:19:09,231
are able to go out now and

485
00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:10,858
create these

486
00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:13,819
insanely large scale murals

487
00:19:13,819 --> 00:19:15,946
in a short amount of time

488
00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:17,573
where it would take back in

489
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:19,241
the day, Michelangelo, all

490
00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:20,868
these masters

491
00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:22,578
like years,

492
00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:24,705
sometimes like, decades

493
00:19:24,705 --> 00:19:26,331
of their lifetime creating

494
00:19:26,331 --> 00:19:27,541
works.

495
00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:29,960
Now you have these masterpieces

496
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,295
that are created out on

497
00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:34,423
buildings that are skyscrapers

498
00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:35,799
and hundreds of feet tall.

499
00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:38,927
[Dual] We're here at the Lee and

500
00:19:38,927 --> 00:19:40,846
Joe Jamil Skate Park downtown,

501
00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:41,805
right outside of downtown

502
00:19:41,805 --> 00:19:43,557
Houston.

503
00:19:43,557 --> 00:19:44,600
Knocked this bad boy out in

504
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,434
three days.

505
00:19:45,434 --> 00:19:46,768
We're looking at a hundred and

506
00:19:46,768 --> 00:19:48,854
eighty two foot long

507
00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:50,188
by four foot tall.

508
00:19:50,188 --> 00:19:51,773
I think it's about 22

509
00:19:51,773 --> 00:19:53,358
to eight by four

510
00:19:53,358 --> 00:19:54,818
panels.

511
00:19:54,818 --> 00:19:55,611
Yeah. Yeah.

512
00:19:55,611 --> 00:19:56,612
What's up Barry?

513
00:19:58,113 --> 00:19:59,114
How are you?

514
00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:02,659
[Barry] Love the paint man.

515
00:20:02,659 --> 00:20:04,953
I think this area already

516
00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:06,788
you can see the connection

517
00:20:06,788 --> 00:20:07,998
between skateboarding and art

518
00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:09,750
all the time, just like the big

519
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:10,876
mural in the house.

520
00:20:10,876 --> 00:20:12,961
We just need more of it.

521
00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:14,212
But we need more art

522
00:20:14,212 --> 00:20:15,047
everywhere. I'd like to paint

523
00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:16,089
the whole damn park.

524
00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:17,090
[Dual] Exactly.
[Barry] Take it easy.

525
00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:17,883
[Dual] Alright have a good

526
00:20:17,883 --> 00:20:18,467
one Barry.

527
00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:19,259
[Barry] Hit me up sometime,

528
00:20:19,259 --> 00:20:19,968
I'm always around.

529
00:20:19,968 --> 00:20:20,928
[dual] Will do.

530
00:20:21,595 --> 00:20:23,221
[Dual] Why the anonymity,

531
00:20:23,221 --> 00:20:24,890
why don't you show us your face?

532
00:20:26,767 --> 00:20:27,976
[Dual] I get these questions

533
00:20:27,976 --> 00:20:30,228
a lot. Every day, all the time.

534
00:20:32,689 --> 00:20:33,857
[Dual] I said, I can see that,

535
00:20:33,857 --> 00:20:34,691
like, I started to write

536
00:20:34,691 --> 00:20:35,525
right here.

537
00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:36,944
whatever reason that I stopped.

538
00:20:36,944 --> 00:20:38,946
[Laughing]

539
00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:44,493
[Dual] Someone's flying a drone.

540
00:20:46,244 --> 00:20:47,496
[Dual] Going back to the

541
00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:49,164
graffiti aspect, when you're

542
00:20:49,164 --> 00:20:50,832
doing this work that's illegal

543
00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:52,960
and you're doing it unknown.

544
00:20:54,252 --> 00:20:56,004
The mystery is like a huge part

545
00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:56,964
of the attraction,

546
00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:01,718
not knowing who an artist

547
00:21:01,718 --> 00:21:03,470
is or what they look like

548
00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:05,055
or anything about

549
00:21:05,055 --> 00:21:06,139
them.

550
00:21:06,139 --> 00:21:07,432
To me, that doesn't even really

551
00:21:07,432 --> 00:21:08,600
matter, because what you're

552
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,851
seeing is the work.

553
00:21:12,562 --> 00:21:14,064
[Dual] When you drive around

554
00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,649
walk around, whatever it is, you

555
00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:17,359
look up and you see the work,

556
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,194
you don't see

557
00:21:19,194 --> 00:21:20,779
me pinned up on the wall

558
00:21:20,779 --> 00:21:22,406
talking to you like

559
00:21:22,406 --> 00:21:24,324
you see what I produce.

560
00:21:28,245 --> 00:21:29,204
[Dual] Shit blew up on me,

561
00:21:30,831 --> 00:21:32,582
that one's kind of messy.

562
00:21:32,582 --> 00:21:33,500
That's probably the most

563
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:34,876
important part to me, of the

564
00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:35,877
whole anonymity, because who

565
00:21:35,877 --> 00:21:37,129
cares what the artist looks

566
00:21:37,129 --> 00:21:38,422
like? It's all about the work.

567
00:21:39,506 --> 00:21:41,299
[Unknown] This is a

568
00:21:41,299 --> 00:21:42,342
Houston landmark.

569
00:21:42,342 --> 00:21:42,926
[Dual] Yeah

570
00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:44,386
[Unknown] This like these street

571
00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:46,054
artist have great weight in

572
00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:47,723
Houston and if you want

573
00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:49,224
to have a bad reputation in

574
00:21:49,224 --> 00:21:50,267
town, as the people who

575
00:21:50,267 --> 00:21:52,144
gentrified this area

576
00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:52,978
don't fuck that wall up.

577
00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:53,770
[Dual laughing] exactly.

578
00:21:53,770 --> 00:21:54,688
[Unknown] And he's like,

579
00:21:54,688 --> 00:21:55,439
“alright.”

580
00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:56,356
[Dual] Well that's good, because

581
00:21:56,356 --> 00:21:57,441
I was telling him it's important

582
00:21:57,441 --> 00:21:58,984
that we to have spots like this

583
00:21:58,984 --> 00:22:00,652
around town, you know,

584
00:22:00,652 --> 00:22:01,570
to give the artists the

585
00:22:01,570 --> 00:22:02,571
opportunity to paint.

586
00:22:03,530 --> 00:22:05,032
[Unknown] You know, why be

587
00:22:05,032 --> 00:22:06,450
boring whenever you could have

588
00:22:06,450 --> 00:22:07,534
more than just black and white.

589
00:22:07,534 --> 00:22:09,911
[Dual] -Exactly.
[Unknown] -I like it.

590
00:22:09,911 --> 00:22:11,580
[Unknown] -Gives more personalit
[Dual] -Yeah. It's expression.

591
00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:12,414
It's different. And it's like

592
00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:13,665
different people's styles and

593
00:22:13,665 --> 00:22:14,666
different skills.

594
00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:33,810
[Sloke] Graffiti gave

595
00:22:33,810 --> 00:22:35,604
me a foundation

596
00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:37,522
to build off of into

597
00:22:37,522 --> 00:22:38,899
a career in art,

598
00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:42,277
because the truth is I

599
00:22:42,277 --> 00:22:44,821
when I when I stepped into the

600
00:22:44,821 --> 00:22:46,448
the public arena, right.

601
00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:48,033
When I went above ground,

602
00:22:49,993 --> 00:22:51,578
[Sloke] now people know

603
00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:53,497
the name and the face.

604
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,499
It was a whole new world to me.

605
00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:56,583
And there was a lot of fear.

606
00:22:56,583 --> 00:22:57,709
And I think that's what keeps a

607
00:22:57,709 --> 00:22:59,294
lot of artists back is fear.

608
00:23:02,380 --> 00:23:04,091
I'm going to take

609
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:05,884
what means the world to me

610
00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:07,886
and put it out for everybody

611
00:23:07,886 --> 00:23:10,013
to see, along

612
00:23:10,013 --> 00:23:12,390
with that might come praise and

613
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:14,351
probably a lot of negativity.

614
00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:15,519
But I'm going to take that leap

615
00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:17,187
of faith and

616
00:23:17,187 --> 00:23:18,939
I'm, you know, fuck my fear

617
00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:20,857
and I'm going to put it out

618
00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:21,858
there.

619
00:23:21,858 --> 00:23:24,402
Out on this lovely Saturday

620
00:23:24,402 --> 00:23:26,279
painting one of our walls that

621
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:27,864
we have here in town,

622
00:23:30,283 --> 00:23:32,244
This spot

623
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:33,703
is pretty much a Hall of Fame.

624
00:23:35,622 --> 00:23:37,374
It's a great wall for murals

625
00:23:37,374 --> 00:23:39,751
and graffiti productions

626
00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:41,253
and so forth.

627
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,340
Sometimes there's more politics

628
00:23:45,340 --> 00:23:46,675
with legal walls than there is

629
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:47,676
on the streets.

630
00:23:48,885 --> 00:23:50,095
The cops here are pretty cool

631
00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:51,555
they used to stop us at first

632
00:23:51,555 --> 00:23:52,556
but now they know

633
00:23:52,556 --> 00:23:53,640
that we're trying to do

634
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,142
something really nice.

635
00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:56,810
There's not a lot of walls left

636
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:58,436
here in Austin because of

637
00:23:58,436 --> 00:24:00,355
development.

638
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:05,485
[Sloke] Why do I do graffiti?

639
00:24:05,485 --> 00:24:06,486
Because I love it.

640
00:24:06,486 --> 00:24:08,155
My heart's in it the good,

641
00:24:08,155 --> 00:24:09,781
the bad, the ugly, the

642
00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,283
blood, the sweat, the tears

643
00:24:11,283 --> 00:24:14,077
the joy, the pain the suffering.

644
00:24:14,077 --> 00:24:15,495
Being an artist for a living is

645
00:24:15,495 --> 00:24:18,331
hard man, it aint for wussies.

646
00:24:19,207 --> 00:24:20,750
My names Sloke, I'm based out

647
00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,210
of Austin, Texas.

648
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:24,296
I paint graffiti and I do art.

649
00:24:27,382 --> 00:24:29,009
I started writing graffiti in

650
00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:30,886
1990.

651
00:24:30,886 --> 00:24:32,679
I tried several names

652
00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:34,306
in the beginning,

653
00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:36,433
but Sloke is what stuck.

654
00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:38,727
And one of the reasons I chose

655
00:24:38,727 --> 00:24:40,061
that name was I really like the

656
00:24:40,061 --> 00:24:41,271
letters.

657
00:24:42,606 --> 00:24:44,024
Growning up in Austin

658
00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:45,609
skateboarding, I would see

659
00:24:45,609 --> 00:24:47,235
the graffiti in

660
00:24:47,235 --> 00:24:49,529
the tunnels and the ditches

661
00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:51,990
and I was attracted to it.

662
00:24:52,699 --> 00:24:54,409
Wasn't necessarily the tags and

663
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:55,660
the bubble letters, it was more

664
00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:57,287
of the piecing but in

665
00:24:57,287 --> 00:24:58,455
order to get to the piecing,

666
00:24:58,455 --> 00:25:00,040
you have to have a

667
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,666
tag and bubble letters

668
00:25:01,666 --> 00:25:03,168
and you work your way up to

669
00:25:03,168 --> 00:25:05,003
piecing and especially

670
00:25:05,003 --> 00:25:06,421
wild style, wild style being

671
00:25:06,421 --> 00:25:08,298
the complex, colorful lettering.

672
00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:12,219
I feel like people do want

673
00:25:12,219 --> 00:25:13,970
to see more art on the streets,

674
00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:14,846
and I think that's a good

675
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:16,139
thing. I really do.

676
00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:17,057
I mean, me personally, of

677
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:18,308
course, I'd rather see a mural

678
00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:19,976
than a blank grey wall.

679
00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:24,064
People are, I think, the

680
00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:26,024
general appreciation of art,

681
00:25:26,024 --> 00:25:27,400
it's starting to come out more

682
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,568
you see a lot of people taking

683
00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:30,487
photos in front of them,

684
00:25:30,487 --> 00:25:32,113
families, kids.

685
00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:33,198
I mean, come on, man, who

686
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:34,449
doesn't like to do art kids

687
00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:36,243
love art, you know what I mean?

688
00:25:36,826 --> 00:25:38,828
[Charlie] Those are TKO guys.

689
00:25:38,828 --> 00:25:40,247
I got multiple

690
00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:43,291
Mez's. I got all of them. All
that jazz.

691
00:25:43,291 --> 00:25:45,877
[Sloke laughing] You practicing
your Jaber head?

692
00:25:45,877 --> 00:25:47,879
[Charlie] Yeah, Well Mez did one

693
00:25:47,879 --> 00:25:50,006
I did the other.

694
00:25:50,006 --> 00:25:51,716
Thankfully i'm much better than

695
00:25:51,716 --> 00:25:52,884
I was back then.

696
00:25:52,884 --> 00:25:53,885
[Sloke] Yeah, well Jaber's going
to be in this film.

697
00:25:57,889 --> 00:25:59,391
[Bob] Who’s going to clean up

698
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,392
all this graffiti?

699
00:26:00,934 --> 00:26:02,727
[Sloke Laughing] Catch this guy

700
00:26:02,727 --> 00:26:04,562
on film man. This is the OG
right here.

701
00:26:04,562 --> 00:26:05,522
I'm Bob,

702
00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:06,898
Nathans old friend.

703
00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:07,941
[Sloke] What's up brother?

704
00:26:07,941 --> 00:26:09,567
[Bob] Very, very little I saw

705
00:26:09,567 --> 00:26:10,443
you was going to be over here so

706
00:26:10,443 --> 00:26:11,444
I wanted to come say hey.

707
00:26:12,445 --> 00:26:14,072
[Charlie] This is a throw up by

708
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:15,573
famous Sloke One.

709
00:26:16,283 --> 00:26:18,451
A throw up is basically a fat

710
00:26:18,451 --> 00:26:19,953
version of your name mainly

711
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:22,080
used to get up quicker,

712
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,207
you know, for illegal

713
00:26:24,207 --> 00:26:25,834
graffiti because it's all

714
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:26,876
round.

715
00:26:26,876 --> 00:26:28,545
So there's not a lot of

716
00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:30,588
preciseness involved.

717
00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:31,881
It's just like kind of getting

718
00:26:31,881 --> 00:26:33,633
up. But if you get really

719
00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:34,884
good at throwies, it's

720
00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:37,053
actually, in my opinion,

721
00:26:37,053 --> 00:26:38,221
the best.

722
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:39,806
And Sloke's obviously

723
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:41,266
really good at throwies he's

724
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:42,559
He’s Sloke!

725
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:46,062
and I'm just super grateful

726
00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:47,772
that I have this in my black
book now.

727
00:26:48,898 --> 00:26:50,066
A lot of guys in here.

728
00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:54,487
[Sloke] You can fill in all of

729
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:55,947
this right here.

730
00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:56,948
[Charlie] Yes sir.

731
00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,501
[Sloke] There you go,

732
00:27:08,501 --> 00:27:10,378
Try, try a fade, just turn

733
00:27:10,378 --> 00:27:13,006
it a little bit and skim it.

734
00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:18,762
[Sloke] Good job man.

735
00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:19,763
[Charlie] Thank you.

736
00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:20,764
[Sloke] Yeah.

737
00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:22,932
[Sloke] The more we can expose

738
00:27:22,932 --> 00:27:25,352
the public to quality art,

739
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:27,103
the more it becomes appreciated

740
00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:28,646
and it keeps it going.

741
00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:03,515
[Meres] What's good y’all, Meres

742
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,393
One: CBS, OTM, SHK crew,

743
00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:08,228
Born and raised in New York

744
00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:09,979
City, been doing graffiti,

745
00:28:09,979 --> 00:28:12,023
now 33 years

746
00:28:12,023 --> 00:28:13,650
and counting, no breaks,

747
00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:14,818
no days off.

748
00:28:20,698 --> 00:28:23,034
[Meres] I've been drawing my

749
00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:24,786
whole life from a young

750
00:28:24,786 --> 00:28:25,954
kid I knew I had artistic

751
00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:27,288
talent.

752
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:29,999
I'd like to get my bones up

753
00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:31,584
there so I know if I'm sized

754
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:33,294
right, and then they go

755
00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:34,379
in and start doing what I got

756
00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:35,672
to do.

757
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:39,717
Swore I wouldn't paint in this

758
00:28:39,717 --> 00:28:40,760
cold weather no more.

759
00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:43,471
Here I am.

760
00:28:45,348 --> 00:28:47,016
almost ready to step back

761
00:28:47,016 --> 00:28:48,017
and see how horrible it looks.

762
00:28:48,852 --> 00:28:50,145
I can live with that,

763
00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:54,149
Fix it as I go.

764
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:56,568
I got to first

765
00:28:56,568 --> 00:28:58,361
consciously experience

766
00:28:58,361 --> 00:29:00,029
graffiti from

767
00:29:00,029 --> 00:29:02,157
a gentleman who wrote Smurfy

768
00:29:02,157 --> 00:29:03,783
after noticing

769
00:29:03,783 --> 00:29:05,702
the Smurf face and starting

770
00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:07,495
to pay attention to tags

771
00:29:07,495 --> 00:29:09,038
and and the bubble letters,

772
00:29:09,038 --> 00:29:10,790
which were background noise

773
00:29:10,790 --> 00:29:11,833
started to register.

774
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:13,251
I said, you know what, I kind

775
00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:14,377
of want to come up with a

776
00:29:14,377 --> 00:29:16,004
iconic symbol as well.

777
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:19,799
And the light bulb was formed.

778
00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:23,845
And originally started with one

779
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:25,472
face which grew to

780
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:27,390
four faces then

781
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:29,267
now thirty three years later,

782
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:31,102
I'm doing

783
00:29:31,102 --> 00:29:32,687
16 faces in total.

784
00:29:34,147 --> 00:29:36,441
Art for me has always been

785
00:29:36,441 --> 00:29:38,151
my escape, my therapy.

786
00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,530
Ways to calm down

787
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:44,240
from stress to vent.

788
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,284
I've learned over the years

789
00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:48,119
early that with art

790
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:49,245
you could tell a story that

791
00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:50,330
sometimes you can't tell

792
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:51,789
with words.

793
00:29:51,789 --> 00:29:53,208
Hey, what up butthead?

794
00:29:57,003 --> 00:29:58,296
Got my look out.

795
00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:01,257
Always got to have a good look

796
00:30:01,257 --> 00:30:02,425
out for you.

797
00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:05,345
I try to change it

798
00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:06,971
up every time, sometimes I

799
00:30:06,971 --> 00:30:08,223
like it, sometimes I don't.

800
00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:09,974
I don't like being stuck

801
00:30:09,974 --> 00:30:11,768
on one style

802
00:30:11,768 --> 00:30:13,645
or one flow.

803
00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,609
You paint a picture and

804
00:30:19,609 --> 00:30:21,402
people get it within a second.

805
00:30:24,155 --> 00:30:26,449
Because of the cold weather

806
00:30:26,449 --> 00:30:27,450
and the clog,

807
00:30:28,701 --> 00:30:29,494
its got this thing spraying

808
00:30:29,494 --> 00:30:31,621
like a skinny caps in some spots

809
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,123
Sloke, I'm jealous of your good

810
00:30:34,123 --> 00:30:35,750
weather down there, just

811
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:37,544
letting you know that.

812
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:52,433
[Jaber] Some people just do

813
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:54,143
graffiti for their friends to

814
00:30:54,143 --> 00:30:55,728
see and some people do graffiti

815
00:30:55,728 --> 00:30:57,647
for the world to see for the

816
00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:58,856
person that doesn't know shit

817
00:30:58,856 --> 00:31:00,149
about graffiti.

818
00:31:00,608 --> 00:31:02,402
I love doing comical graffiti.

819
00:31:02,402 --> 00:31:04,362
I like painting fucking dicks.

820
00:31:04,362 --> 00:31:05,863
I like painting big ass dicks

821
00:31:05,863 --> 00:31:07,490
with happy faces on them

822
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:08,658
going by on a train.

823
00:31:08,658 --> 00:31:09,742
So the guy that doesn't know

824
00:31:09,742 --> 00:31:11,202
shit about graffiti looks at

825
00:31:11,202 --> 00:31:12,870
that and just laughs

826
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:14,247
just has a good day.

827
00:31:14,247 --> 00:31:16,040
Tells his friend at work,

828
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,875
Hey Ed, you

829
00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:19,419
won't believe what I saw on a

830
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:20,295
train today.

831
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:21,713
It was a dick.

832
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:25,800
It's the little things in life,

833
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,135
you know.

834
00:31:37,395 --> 00:31:39,480
[Jaber] I go by the White Ninja,

835
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,524
Jaber or El Ninja blanco,

836
00:31:43,026 --> 00:31:44,736
so I got it into graffiti from

837
00:31:44,736 --> 00:31:45,695
skateboarding.

838
00:31:45,695 --> 00:31:47,113
I was a skater.

839
00:31:48,323 --> 00:31:50,617
It was kind of a trendy

840
00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,327
thing to do, I guess, is

841
00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:54,037
have a tag and tag at the local

842
00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:55,204
skate spots.

843
00:31:56,623 --> 00:31:58,499
It was kind of just a hobby,

844
00:31:58,499 --> 00:31:59,751
a little thing to do,

845
00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:04,589
Graffiti culture was very

846
00:32:04,589 --> 00:32:06,549
interested in how far

847
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:07,925
can they press letters.

848
00:32:07,925 --> 00:32:09,344
How can they flex letters, how

849
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:10,720
can they make the best letters.

850
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:11,679
It was all about letters.

851
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:12,722
Characters were just something

852
00:32:12,722 --> 00:32:14,349
on the side that

853
00:32:14,349 --> 00:32:16,559
accented your letters.

854
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:17,560
I do a little bit of

855
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,145
everything, but I'm mainly

856
00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:20,146
a graffiti writer.

857
00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:22,774
I have a stencil I mess

858
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:24,567
with sometimes I

859
00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:25,818
hang out with some people that

860
00:32:25,818 --> 00:32:26,819
do wheat paste stuff.

861
00:32:26,819 --> 00:32:28,404
So every once in a while we'll

862
00:32:28,404 --> 00:32:29,405
do some wheat paste stuff.

863
00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:30,573
But it's just that's not my

864
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:31,616
passion.

865
00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:33,534
I keep it letter

866
00:32:33,534 --> 00:32:34,994
based. I like doing different

867
00:32:34,994 --> 00:32:35,912
letters.

868
00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:37,830
Of course I have a moniker,

869
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:39,874
but realistically,

870
00:32:39,874 --> 00:32:41,668
my graffiti career is based

871
00:32:41,668 --> 00:32:43,795
on lettering and how many

872
00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:45,546
letters I can do.

873
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:55,848
[Jaber] It's kind of strange for

874
00:32:55,848 --> 00:32:57,225
me because I never really wanted

875
00:32:57,225 --> 00:32:59,602
to be an artist for a living.

876
00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:01,479
I just wanted to write my name.

877
00:33:02,355 --> 00:33:03,981
But slowly

878
00:33:03,981 --> 00:33:05,775
but surely, that's

879
00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:07,110
what happened.

880
00:33:08,027 --> 00:33:09,404
I just kind of got lucky,

881
00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:10,738
right. And I fell into that

882
00:33:10,738 --> 00:33:12,115
niche and I started doing

883
00:33:12,115 --> 00:33:14,492
artwork for money.

884
00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:15,618
Same thing happened when I

885
00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:17,286
moved to Los

886
00:33:17,286 --> 00:33:18,246
Angeles.

887
00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:19,747
I'm a graffiti writer and I

888
00:33:19,747 --> 00:33:21,249
don't think about art that

889
00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,000
much. And then I answered

890
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,794
an ad to do

891
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:26,421
live painting

892
00:33:26,421 --> 00:33:27,922
for rap groups, you know?

893
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,471
[Jaber] And then I booked it,

894
00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:36,514
I booked that job.

895
00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:38,141
So then I was on tour with The

896
00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:40,476
Roots and I was on tour with

897
00:33:40,476 --> 00:33:42,145
L.L. Cool J and De la Soul

898
00:33:42,145 --> 00:33:43,771
A Tribe Called Quest and

899
00:33:43,771 --> 00:33:45,189
all these amazing groups that

900
00:33:45,189 --> 00:33:47,734
I've looked up to my whole life.

901
00:33:47,734 --> 00:33:49,485
I never thought graffiti

902
00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:51,404
would allow me to travel

903
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:54,073
with those type of people.

904
00:33:54,073 --> 00:33:55,783
And then again, I was making

905
00:33:55,783 --> 00:33:57,410
money doing art.

906
00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:02,540
[Never] So, like when I started

907
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:04,000
doing murals, like when, you

908
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,001
know, you're a writer, you pick

909
00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:06,419
spots, that are high visibility.

910
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:08,212
Like the more people see it,

911
00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:09,422
the more fame you get.

912
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:10,506
It's like it goes hand in hand,

913
00:34:10,506 --> 00:34:11,841
like whether it be higher up or

914
00:34:11,841 --> 00:34:12,759
long lasting.

915
00:34:12,759 --> 00:34:14,218
And it still a trip to me, like

916
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:15,136
seeing a spot where I used to

917
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:16,137
be stoked, to have like a tag

918
00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:17,430
on like the curb right next to

919
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:19,599
it of the 100 foot wall.

920
00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:22,059
its really a cool like

921
00:34:22,059 --> 00:34:23,060
sense of pride.

922
00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:29,692
[Never] Part of the things that

923
00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:30,735
make grafitti artists so

924
00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:32,028
recognizable are the repetition,

925
00:34:32,028 --> 00:34:33,529
you do the same piece, you do

926
00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:35,156
the same character, you do like,

927
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:36,783
you know, Jaber's head or like

928
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:37,742
Vox doing the same piece over

929
00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:38,910
and over again. You see it, you

930
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:39,911
recognize it going forty five

931
00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:41,245
miles an hour on the highway,

932
00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:42,872
slower in L.A. traffic

933
00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:43,706
But with me, I didn't want to

934
00:34:43,706 --> 00:34:44,749
keep doing the same mural over

935
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:45,833
and over again. So I started

936
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:47,376
doing more like area specific

937
00:34:47,376 --> 00:34:49,045
stuff. Like what teams

938
00:34:49,045 --> 00:34:50,046
played by there. What movies

939
00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:50,922
were filmed there.

940
00:34:50,922 --> 00:34:52,673
What was a history of the area

941
00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,300
like iconography on a wall

942
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,134
that doesn't necessarily tie

943
00:34:55,134 --> 00:34:55,885
into where it's at.

944
00:34:55,885 --> 00:34:56,636
And I want to make sure if I

945
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:57,804
paint a piece in Venice, it's

946
00:34:57,804 --> 00:34:58,679
going to be very Venice.

947
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:00,264
If I do something in like

948
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,140
the Valley, it's gonna be a
movie

949
00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:02,141
that was filmed in the Valley.

950
00:35:04,227 --> 00:35:05,311
What could I do that really

951
00:35:05,311 --> 00:35:06,187
everyone knows in that area,

952
00:35:06,187 --> 00:35:07,271
and for me, especially growing

953
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:08,940
up in L.A., there's so many

954
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,024
sports teams and so many like

955
00:35:10,024 --> 00:35:11,192
iconic sports moments and so

956
00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:12,026
many movies, everything's

957
00:35:12,026 --> 00:35:13,569
filmed here. So it's like there

958
00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:14,403
was such a wealth of

959
00:35:14,403 --> 00:35:15,822
information that I could keep

960
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:16,823
painting.

961
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:20,451
So I started to do more sports

962
00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:21,285
murals a little bit, and then

963
00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:23,204
Stuart Scott, the ESPN anchor,

964
00:35:23,204 --> 00:35:24,831
passed and me and

965
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:26,624
Jaber and a few other guys were

966
00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:28,209
going to paint and try figure

967
00:35:28,209 --> 00:35:29,043
out what to do. And I was like,

968
00:35:29,043 --> 00:35:30,044
let's just I'll do Stuart

969
00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:31,504
Scott, he just passed. It was

970
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:32,922
before memorial murals had

971
00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:34,257
really become a thing. We did

972
00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:35,758
the Stuart Scott one I did his

973
00:35:35,758 --> 00:35:37,385
portrait Jaber did the boo-ya

974
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:38,302
like his catch phrase.

975
00:35:38,302 --> 00:35:39,554
And I didn't even have Twitter

976
00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:41,180
anything that and dude like

977
00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:42,473
my buddy made me one my phone

978
00:35:42,473 --> 00:35:43,683
just blew off, like the battery

979
00:35:43,683 --> 00:35:45,810
died from all the notifications.

980
00:35:49,063 --> 00:35:50,064
It's so much faster to use

981
00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:50,857
spray painting, and I'm still

982
00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:51,941
comfortable with spray paint,

983
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:52,984
so I started transitioning like

984
00:35:52,984 --> 00:35:54,026
laying out the base coat and

985
00:35:54,026 --> 00:35:55,111
like sketching it in with

986
00:35:55,111 --> 00:35:56,737
bucket paint and then going in

987
00:35:56,737 --> 00:35:57,613
with the spray cans. Now, it's

988
00:35:57,613 --> 00:35:59,282
pretty much everything can

989
00:35:59,282 --> 00:36:00,116
if a walls big enough,

990
00:36:00,116 --> 00:36:01,117
everything's can.

991
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:03,536
Before the Banksy movie, before

992
00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:04,537
Instagram, before people were

993
00:36:04,537 --> 00:36:05,538
posing in front of graffiti is

994
00:36:05,538 --> 00:36:07,623
like a colorful backdrop for

995
00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,417
their photos, like it

996
00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:10,376
there was like an outlaw element

997
00:36:10,376 --> 00:36:11,961
to it. And whereas

998
00:36:11,961 --> 00:36:13,212
like some like, you know, like

999
00:36:13,212 --> 00:36:14,172
motorcycle club culture has

1000
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:15,840
kept that element, graffiti has

1001
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,550
kind of been

1002
00:36:17,550 --> 00:36:19,260
changed in a way where it's

1003
00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:20,595
Chris Brown can pick up a can

1004
00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:21,929
and suddenly he's like a street

1005
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:23,389
artist and it's like, you know,

1006
00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:24,390
no knock on him or anyone who

1007
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:25,474
wants to paint, like, go for

1008
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:27,184
it. But so, like, there was

1009
00:36:27,184 --> 00:36:28,144
graffiti, there was street art,

1010
00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:29,312
there was a part of our society

1011
00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:30,897
back then. But I think the

1012
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:32,732
social media culture has shot

1013
00:36:32,732 --> 00:36:33,482
it to the forefront.

1014
00:36:33,482 --> 00:36:35,109
And it's kind of cool

1015
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:36,027
that there hasn't been a reality

1016
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:37,904
show that I know of about it yet

1017
00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:39,071
Everything else has been done.

1018
00:36:39,071 --> 00:36:41,157
But so far,

1019
00:36:41,157 --> 00:36:42,491
Charlie Hunnam sure be a tagger

1020
00:36:42,491 --> 00:36:43,284
and some Sons of Anarchy

1021
00:36:43,284 --> 00:36:44,493
spinoff soon enough.

1022
00:36:48,331 --> 00:36:50,124
Makes me happy that

1023
00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:51,083
some of these things will exist

1024
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:52,293
like long after I'm gone.

1025
00:37:00,384 --> 00:37:01,886
[Dual] For the longest time, I

1026
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,346
was convinced that to be a

1027
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:05,306
successful artist

1028
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:06,974
and to make it, you

1029
00:37:06,974 --> 00:37:08,643
have to have this masters,

1030
00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:09,352
right you got to have this

1031
00:37:09,352 --> 00:37:10,353
document.

1032
00:37:14,231 --> 00:37:16,484
[Dual] So coming out

1033
00:37:16,484 --> 00:37:18,778
of school with my bachelors

1034
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:20,029
constantly, already making

1035
00:37:20,029 --> 00:37:22,949
work, having shows, solo shows

1036
00:37:22,949 --> 00:37:25,284
moving work,

1037
00:37:25,284 --> 00:37:26,494
I decide that I'm going to

1038
00:37:26,494 --> 00:37:28,204
apply for the

1039
00:37:28,204 --> 00:37:30,248
master's program there.

1040
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:31,874
I go through the whole process.

1041
00:37:31,874 --> 00:37:33,542
You know, it's it's basically

1042
00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:34,627
all just fill out this whole

1043
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:36,253
form, show them

1044
00:37:36,253 --> 00:37:37,630
your work, your artist bio,

1045
00:37:37,630 --> 00:37:39,423
your CV

1046
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:41,550
of everything you've been in.

1047
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:43,177
And I fill it all out, turn

1048
00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:45,012
it all in feeling

1049
00:37:45,012 --> 00:37:45,972
feeling pretty good and

1050
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:47,223
confident that I can get into

1051
00:37:47,264 --> 00:37:48,975
the program, open up

1052
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:50,559
my email one day

1053
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:52,186
and I've got this letter of

1054
00:37:52,186 --> 00:37:53,646
rejection.

1055
00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:57,191
Oof. It

1056
00:37:57,191 --> 00:37:59,318
I'll be honest,

1057
00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:00,695
it felt like

1058
00:38:01,278 --> 00:38:02,446
it felt like a girlfriend

1059
00:38:02,446 --> 00:38:03,447
dumping you.

1060
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:07,118
I think, for a few days,

1061
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,411
possibly even a week, I was

1062
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:09,662
just really bummed out about it

1063
00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:10,788
and I was like, what am I going

1064
00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:12,164
to do now? How am I going to be

1065
00:38:12,164 --> 00:38:14,709
this successful

1066
00:38:14,709 --> 00:38:16,335
practicing artist if

1067
00:38:16,335 --> 00:38:18,087
I don't have the master’s?

1068
00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:21,924
OK, I didn't make it into your

1069
00:38:21,924 --> 00:38:23,968
program. I'm about to just

1070
00:38:23,968 --> 00:38:25,928
bust my ass, grind

1071
00:38:25,928 --> 00:38:27,555
hard, grind harder than what

1072
00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:29,265
I've been doing and

1073
00:38:29,265 --> 00:38:30,933
make sure that my name is out

1074
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:32,226
there everywhere and people are

1075
00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:33,519
seeing it.

1076
00:38:37,189 --> 00:38:39,191
[Dual] For me now the commercial

1077
00:38:39,191 --> 00:38:41,694
work I've definitely pushed,

1078
00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:43,320
I really, really pushed that I

1079
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,780
want to be able to have as much

1080
00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:46,699
creative control

1081
00:38:46,699 --> 00:38:48,451
in the design process

1082
00:38:48,451 --> 00:38:50,036
as as possible.

1083
00:38:55,541 --> 00:38:57,126
I want my work, whether it's

1084
00:38:57,126 --> 00:38:59,628
canvas work or mural work,

1085
00:38:59,628 --> 00:39:02,298
to still have

1086
00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:06,385
impact and inspire

1087
00:39:06,385 --> 00:39:08,888
years and years down the line.

1088
00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:12,266
I can only hope that

1089
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:14,518
there'll be artists that

1090
00:39:14,518 --> 00:39:16,145
started doing

1091
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:17,521
whatever it is they do because

1092
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:19,356
they saw my work just like

1093
00:39:19,356 --> 00:39:20,149
the same for me.

1094
00:39:20,149 --> 00:39:21,734
I saw other artists that I

1095
00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:23,611
saw doing stuff and I was like,

1096
00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:24,528
I want to do that.

1097
00:39:24,528 --> 00:39:25,654
I want to step it up.

1098
00:39:25,654 --> 00:39:26,864
I want to do take my art and

1099
00:39:26,864 --> 00:39:27,990
make it do this.

1100
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:29,283
Everything I've learned here is

1101
00:39:29,283 --> 00:39:30,534
everything I've accumulated

1102
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,244
throughout my journey

1103
00:39:32,244 --> 00:39:33,996
in a canvas or

1104
00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:36,624
in its composition, so to say,

1105
00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:37,833
take it, do whatever you want

1106
00:39:37,833 --> 00:39:39,627
with it, run with it, take

1107
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:40,836
this little bit, change this

1108
00:39:40,836 --> 00:39:42,129
bit, you know.

1109
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,467
[Dual] My work now,

1110
00:39:46,467 --> 00:39:48,135
if I had to describe it,

1111
00:39:48,135 --> 00:39:53,224
is oversaturated,

1112
00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:54,934
hard edged

1113
00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:56,560
juxtaposition

1114
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,812
abstraction.

1115
00:39:59,605 --> 00:40:01,107
I just love painting, I just

1116
00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:03,109
love doing it like,

1117
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:04,777
oh man, I got to keep I really

1118
00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:05,820
want to keep doing this and I

1119
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:07,488
just want to keep pushing it

1120
00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:14,620
I don't care if I'm rich off of

1121
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:15,955
it, that's not my point for

1122
00:40:15,955 --> 00:40:17,540
doing it. I mean, a lot of

1123
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:18,791
times it's awesome to just talk

1124
00:40:18,791 --> 00:40:20,292
to people and they're like, but

1125
00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:22,002
you get to do what you love

1126
00:40:22,002 --> 00:40:23,504
to do and you get paid for it.

1127
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:24,797
And I'm like that to me is the

1128
00:40:24,797 --> 00:40:25,965
most important part.

1129
00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:36,267
[Meres] You know, when I started

1130
00:40:36,267 --> 00:40:37,893
doing graffiti,

1131
00:40:37,893 --> 00:40:39,603
there was no legal outlet

1132
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:41,564
to do street tagging, which

1133
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,149
I enjoyed,

1134
00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:44,859
it came with headaches

1135
00:40:44,859 --> 00:40:46,277
from getting arrested for it.

1136
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:49,572
And in the 80s,

1137
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:51,782
like the the neighborhood

1138
00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:53,534
gang graffiti

1139
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:55,828
activity was was high.

1140
00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:57,246
You know, when I started doing

1141
00:40:57,246 --> 00:40:58,998
graffiti,

1142
00:40:58,998 --> 00:40:59,999
it wasn't something

1143
00:40:59,999 --> 00:41:00,875
When you went to family

1144
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:02,334
gatherings like, hey, I'm

1145
00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:03,919
getting into graffiti, your

1146
00:41:03,919 --> 00:41:06,422
family would be like, OK, cool,

1147
00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:08,674
get a good art job and

1148
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:10,593
do your hobby stuff on the side.

1149
00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:11,886
And now it's come to a point

1150
00:41:11,886 --> 00:41:13,596
where graffiti is is

1151
00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:15,389
looked at as a profession

1152
00:41:15,389 --> 00:41:17,933
and people actually

1153
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:19,602
get involved with the idea

1154
00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:20,936
that they can make a profession

1155
00:41:20,936 --> 00:41:22,730
out of either graffiti street

1156
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:23,898
art. So it definitely has

1157
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:25,065
changed and evolved.

1158
00:41:28,444 --> 00:41:29,570
Oh, my God.

1159
00:41:29,570 --> 00:41:30,571
Im done.

1160
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:38,037
I wanted a place where everyone

1161
00:41:38,037 --> 00:41:40,164
could paint, a legal outlet for

1162
00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,291
graffiti piecing

1163
00:41:42,291 --> 00:41:44,126
from the best to the worst,

1164
00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:45,628
five points was the name I

1165
00:41:45,628 --> 00:41:47,254
chose at the time because

1166
00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:49,340
it wasn't a name that

1167
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:50,758
put us under a label or

1168
00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:51,759
bracket.

1169
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:53,761
I had no idea to where

1170
00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:54,762
it would go.

1171
00:41:57,264 --> 00:41:58,933
[Meres] Five points of New York

1172
00:41:58,933 --> 00:42:01,268
coming to one point to paint.

1173
00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:04,146
Five elements of hip hop,

1174
00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:05,481
all in one spot.

1175
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,234
And by keeping

1176
00:42:08,234 --> 00:42:09,985
this name, we

1177
00:42:09,985 --> 00:42:11,487
wound up later on branching

1178
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:12,529
out. And I started to

1179
00:42:12,529 --> 00:42:14,198
incorporate emceeing,

1180
00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:15,908
deejaying, beatboxing and

1181
00:42:15,908 --> 00:42:17,493
graffiti all

1182
00:42:17,493 --> 00:42:20,913
into one location

1183
00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:24,333
and brought everything as

1184
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:25,793
a kid growing up in hip hop

1185
00:42:25,793 --> 00:42:26,919
that I would go to different

1186
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:28,712
venues to see all

1187
00:42:28,712 --> 00:42:29,755
to one spot.

1188
00:42:29,755 --> 00:42:31,298
I mean, I was a little kid in a

1189
00:42:31,298 --> 00:42:32,007
candy store.

1190
00:42:32,007 --> 00:42:32,925
It was a miracle.

1191
00:42:32,925 --> 00:42:34,885
And everybody

1192
00:42:34,885 --> 00:42:36,387
that took the seven train and

1193
00:42:36,387 --> 00:42:38,013
is millions and millions of

1194
00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:40,182
of train goers

1195
00:42:40,182 --> 00:42:42,184
slowly started to get hooked

1196
00:42:42,184 --> 00:42:43,852
and enticed

1197
00:42:43,852 --> 00:42:45,521
to get off the train.

1198
00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:47,106
And they got to see that

1199
00:42:47,106 --> 00:42:49,233
graffiti, the

1200
00:42:49,233 --> 00:42:50,818
unknown art, the

1201
00:42:50,818 --> 00:42:52,736
art that, you know, gets

1202
00:42:52,736 --> 00:42:55,030
perceived as bad and

1203
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,907
illegal. And it wasn't

1204
00:42:56,907 --> 00:42:58,534
such a bad thing and that the

1205
00:42:58,534 --> 00:42:59,493
artists that did it were

1206
00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:01,620
everyday people like you and me

1207
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,747
and became,

1208
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:05,666
you know, one of the epicenters

1209
00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:07,376
for for hip hop culture

1210
00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:08,585
in New York.

1211
00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:10,421
And it was free.

1212
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:11,672
And for the people and by the

1213
00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:12,673
people.

1214
00:43:26,228 --> 00:43:28,147
[Sloke] Graffiti gave me

1215
00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:29,898
a foundation to

1216
00:43:29,898 --> 00:43:31,525
build off of into

1217
00:43:31,525 --> 00:43:32,943
a career in art.

1218
00:43:40,576 --> 00:43:42,369
I started out drawing

1219
00:43:42,369 --> 00:43:44,121
as a kid, it

1220
00:43:44,121 --> 00:43:45,706
progressed to graffiti

1221
00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:48,375
and then from graffiti, it

1222
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:50,210
progressed to

1223
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:53,130
abstract art on canvas,

1224
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:54,590
doing more design like

1225
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:57,134
expensive handbags,

1226
00:43:57,134 --> 00:43:58,761
shoes,

1227
00:43:58,761 --> 00:44:00,471
textile,

1228
00:44:01,221 --> 00:44:02,931
all of that. And I just started

1229
00:44:02,931 --> 00:44:04,016
branching off.

1230
00:44:04,016 --> 00:44:05,392
I paint everything man,

1231
00:44:05,392 --> 00:44:07,394
whatever paint can adhere to

1232
00:44:07,394 --> 00:44:08,395
I paint.

1233
00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:13,901
You know, it's I proved to

1234
00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:16,195
myself that I can paint my name

1235
00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:17,738
for decades in a variety of

1236
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:19,531
styles and as much as I I

1237
00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:21,325
still love doing that.

1238
00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:22,910
I just don't limit myself to

1239
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:23,994
one style of art.

1240
00:44:30,584 --> 00:44:31,960
I mean, all of the principles

1241
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,337
of art and design apply to

1242
00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:34,963
graffiti art, you know, it's

1243
00:44:34,963 --> 00:44:36,548
universal.

1244
00:44:36,548 --> 00:44:37,508
It's just what you want to do

1245
00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:38,509
with it.

1246
00:44:40,844 --> 00:44:42,596
In 2010 during South

1247
00:44:42,596 --> 00:44:43,972
by Southwest.

1248
00:44:45,307 --> 00:44:46,558
We got slammed with a lot of

1249
00:44:46,558 --> 00:44:47,559
commission work.

1250
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,190
And at the end of

1251
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,191
South by.

1252
00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:58,404
Ray, Jaber and I

1253
00:44:58,404 --> 00:45:00,614
figured, why not put

1254
00:45:00,614 --> 00:45:01,824
our resources together and

1255
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,367
start a mural company and

1256
00:45:03,367 --> 00:45:04,576
that's how all city branding

1257
00:45:04,576 --> 00:45:05,994
was formed.

1258
00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:11,250
We were doing work for CNN,

1259
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,836
Nike, Google, Facebook,

1260
00:45:13,836 --> 00:45:15,879
it just made sense, you know,

1261
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:17,047
we've all paid our dues on the

1262
00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:18,298
streets.

1263
00:45:18,298 --> 00:45:19,425
We've been around for a long

1264
00:45:19,425 --> 00:45:21,093
time. And,

1265
00:45:21,093 --> 00:45:22,845
you know, I think what other

1266
00:45:22,845 --> 00:45:24,555
better way to represent the

1267
00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:25,806
art form than people that

1268
00:45:25,806 --> 00:45:27,891
practice it and come from it.

1269
00:45:27,891 --> 00:45:29,560
So I

1270
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,853
felt like there was

1271
00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:33,480
a lot of validation with that.

1272
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,690
But at the same time, as an

1273
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:35,482
artist trying to make the

1274
00:45:35,482 --> 00:45:36,900
money, you got to go with the

1275
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,235
opportunities at and these

1276
00:45:38,235 --> 00:45:39,403
corporations are the ones with

1277
00:45:39,403 --> 00:45:40,404
the big budgets.

1278
00:45:45,033 --> 00:45:46,118
You know, I figured in this

1279
00:45:46,118 --> 00:45:47,494
line of work, you got to do

1280
00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:48,537
what you don't want to do in

1281
00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:49,455
order to do what you want to

1282
00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:51,457
do. And that's what

1283
00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:53,584
a lot of these jobs allowed.

1284
00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:00,215
[Jaber] I worked for beer

1285
00:46:00,215 --> 00:46:02,384
companies, vodka companies,

1286
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:04,094
Google, Facebook,

1287
00:46:04,094 --> 00:46:06,013
a lot of tech related stuff.

1288
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:09,933
Doing art for money is

1289
00:46:09,933 --> 00:46:11,560
not really my thing.

1290
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,270
It's not what I

1291
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:14,897
strive to do.

1292
00:46:14,897 --> 00:46:16,690
I just kind of fell into it.

1293
00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:17,649
So

1294
00:46:18,817 --> 00:46:20,736
I get to dictate what I

1295
00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,112
want to do a little bit more

1296
00:46:22,112 --> 00:46:23,906
than other people.

1297
00:46:23,906 --> 00:46:25,657
I have that luxury now.

1298
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:28,118
Years ago, when I did not have

1299
00:46:28,118 --> 00:46:29,411
that luxury.

1300
00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:31,371
Yeah, I would, you know,

1301
00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:33,373
work. If I had to

1302
00:46:33,373 --> 00:46:34,625
work for a company, I would do

1303
00:46:34,625 --> 00:46:35,709
what they want to do and go

1304
00:46:35,709 --> 00:46:36,877
through the chain of command

1305
00:46:36,877 --> 00:46:38,587
and sometimes you have to

1306
00:46:38,587 --> 00:46:40,047
do that to survive.

1307
00:46:41,757 --> 00:46:43,926
I've worked with Sloke a bunch.

1308
00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:45,010
He was the boss.

1309
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:46,595
You know, if he's the boss is

1310
00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:47,596
easy to deal with.

1311
00:46:53,101 --> 00:46:54,269
But if you have to deal with

1312
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:56,480
somebody that hired you to do

1313
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,106
a mural and they

1314
00:46:58,106 --> 00:46:59,733
don't know anything about mural

1315
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:01,443
making or design or

1316
00:47:01,443 --> 00:47:03,070
color concepts, it's

1317
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:04,071
kind of annoying.

1318
00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:06,865
I dislike working like anyone

1319
00:47:06,865 --> 00:47:07,991
else.

1320
00:47:10,869 --> 00:47:12,246
[Dual] There used to be the term

1321
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:13,247
sellout,

1322
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:15,207
you didn't want to sell out to

1323
00:47:15,207 --> 00:47:16,500
this bigger company or to this

1324
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,710
commercial company, now

1325
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:20,379
if you don't sell out, you're

1326
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:21,547
not going to survive in this

1327
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:23,173
world like there's

1328
00:47:23,173 --> 00:47:24,758
that term is obsolete now.

1329
00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:30,681
It's amazing that there is that

1330
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,683
opportunity to bridge

1331
00:47:32,683 --> 00:47:34,351
the gap from being

1332
00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:36,311
an illegal graffiti artist

1333
00:47:36,311 --> 00:47:38,397
to doing commercial work for

1334
00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:40,190
big companies like

1335
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:41,900
I think that I know

1336
00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:43,402
I myself am grateful for that

1337
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:44,695
opportunity. And I'm sure other

1338
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:46,655
artists around the world are

1339
00:47:46,655 --> 00:47:48,198
probably feeling the same, you

1340
00:47:48,198 --> 00:47:49,741
know, and none of that would

1341
00:47:49,741 --> 00:47:51,326
have happened if it wasn't from

1342
00:47:51,326 --> 00:47:53,245
them originally

1343
00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:54,955
painting trains

1344
00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:57,541
doing whatever illegal graffiti

1345
00:47:57,541 --> 00:47:58,625
they were doing when they first

1346
00:47:58,625 --> 00:47:59,626
started.

1347
00:48:00,127 --> 00:48:01,712
So it definitely brings this

1348
00:48:01,712 --> 00:48:02,713
value.

1349
00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:12,014
[John] Came across Dual, was

1350
00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:12,889
introduced to Dual.

1351
00:48:12,889 --> 00:48:14,516
He's a Houston

1352
00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:16,143
staple. He's an integral

1353
00:48:16,143 --> 00:48:17,436
part to the Houston street

1354
00:48:17,436 --> 00:48:19,229
scene, graffiti scene,

1355
00:48:19,229 --> 00:48:22,357
super talented artist.

1356
00:48:22,357 --> 00:48:23,817
I mean, obviously a huge fan of

1357
00:48:23,817 --> 00:48:26,069
his work. He's helping,

1358
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:28,155
conveying and developing

1359
00:48:28,155 --> 00:48:29,823
our concept, you know,

1360
00:48:29,823 --> 00:48:32,367
through his work.

1361
00:48:34,536 --> 00:48:36,330
As far as graffiti and street

1362
00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:38,957
art goes, it is essential

1363
00:48:38,957 --> 00:48:40,834
to metropolitan culture,

1364
00:48:40,834 --> 00:48:42,586
right? No one wants to be in

1365
00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:44,338
like same

1366
00:48:44,338 --> 00:48:47,716
color, concrete jungle just

1367
00:48:47,716 --> 00:48:49,384
glass, steel,

1368
00:48:49,384 --> 00:48:50,719
concrete everywhere.

1369
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:51,970
There's there's no life.

1370
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:55,557
And it's nice to go places

1371
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:57,601
and cities, Tokyo, Paris.

1372
00:48:57,601 --> 00:49:00,062
Right. New York, Chicago.

1373
00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:01,730
And see this blend of

1374
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:02,731
street art.

1375
00:49:02,731 --> 00:49:04,399
Right. Graffiti tags,

1376
00:49:04,399 --> 00:49:05,942
whatever you want to call it,

1377
00:49:05,942 --> 00:49:07,736
you know, mixed with, you know,

1378
00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:09,071
commissions.

1379
00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:10,322
Kind of like what Dual does,

1380
00:49:10,322 --> 00:49:11,865
right. Like on this building.

1381
00:49:11,865 --> 00:49:14,284
I think it's essential

1382
00:49:14,284 --> 00:49:15,911
to life and culture

1383
00:49:15,911 --> 00:49:17,287
and the city.

1384
00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:20,582
[Dual] He came at me
with what he wanted

1385
00:49:20,582 --> 00:49:22,459
He told me, you know, he's

1386
00:49:22,459 --> 00:49:24,503
a fan of, Blade Runner,

1387
00:49:24,503 --> 00:49:25,671
Tron.

1388
00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:27,964
I was like, say no more,

1389
00:49:27,964 --> 00:49:30,717
man. I'm a huge fan.

1390
00:49:30,717 --> 00:49:31,677
Let me take it through my

1391
00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:33,428
filter and spit

1392
00:49:33,428 --> 00:49:34,721
it out. And then we both are

1393
00:49:34,721 --> 00:49:36,348
happy with the final product.

1394
00:49:45,649 --> 00:49:46,775
[John] You know, Dual has really

1395
00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:48,235
helped bring that element to

1396
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:49,528
our business, and I think that,

1397
00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:50,904
you know, it's been an honor,

1398
00:49:50,904 --> 00:49:52,364
you know, especially this point

1399
00:49:52,364 --> 00:49:53,365
and moving forward, it's going

1400
00:49:53,365 --> 00:49:54,449
to continue to be an honor to

1401
00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:55,450
work with Dual.

1402
00:49:58,078 --> 00:49:59,871
[Dual] So to me, the reason

1403
00:49:59,871 --> 00:50:01,164
one of the main reasons I think

1404
00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:03,125
that these businesses now want

1405
00:50:03,125 --> 00:50:04,710
murals is

1406
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:06,211
because it's current.

1407
00:50:06,211 --> 00:50:07,587
It's it's important.

1408
00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:09,214
Like I said, the renaissance of

1409
00:50:09,214 --> 00:50:11,133
this movement of murals

1410
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:12,634
popping up on buildings

1411
00:50:12,634 --> 00:50:14,344
overnight,

1412
00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:16,054
large scale

1413
00:50:16,054 --> 00:50:17,973
has become such an important

1414
00:50:19,141 --> 00:50:20,600
thing. And it's such a trending

1415
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,395
thing in society,

1416
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:25,564
especially with social media.

1417
00:50:25,564 --> 00:50:27,232
Everyone wants to go take a

1418
00:50:27,232 --> 00:50:29,109
photo in front of a mural

1419
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:30,193
and post it up on their

1420
00:50:30,193 --> 00:50:31,737
Instagram, and then they're

1421
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:34,030
going to tag the location,

1422
00:50:34,030 --> 00:50:35,699
the artist, what

1423
00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:37,075
they're wearing, the ice cream

1424
00:50:37,075 --> 00:50:38,285
they're eating.

1425
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,661
So it creates all this

1426
00:50:39,661 --> 00:50:41,163
connection and then and it just

1427
00:50:41,163 --> 00:50:42,539
keeps getting spread over and

1428
00:50:42,539 --> 00:50:43,540
over and over.

1429
00:50:47,627 --> 00:50:49,254
[John] So there's a super,

1430
00:50:49,254 --> 00:50:50,505
super cool element to working

1431
00:50:50,505 --> 00:50:52,257
with an anonymous artist.

1432
00:50:52,257 --> 00:50:54,009
Right. And people

1433
00:50:54,009 --> 00:50:55,218
get really excited, I think,

1434
00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:56,845
just to see Dual

1435
00:50:56,845 --> 00:50:58,680
on the street, people walking

1436
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,140
up and they're like, oh, man,

1437
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:01,349
you know, same thing when he

1438
00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:03,143
paints downtown.

1439
00:51:03,143 --> 00:51:03,894
One of them, you don't have

1440
00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,562
permission and you're

1441
00:51:05,562 --> 00:51:07,522
doing it without

1442
00:51:07,522 --> 00:51:09,191
anyone knowing where

1443
00:51:09,191 --> 00:51:10,817
here, you're getting funded and

1444
00:51:10,817 --> 00:51:12,444
given all the resources and

1445
00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:14,029
all the supplies

1446
00:51:14,029 --> 00:51:15,906
to be able to pull off this

1447
00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:19,326
feat. So it's

1448
00:51:20,076 --> 00:51:21,578
it's pushed the form in that

1449
00:51:21,578 --> 00:51:23,371
way where commercial

1450
00:51:23,371 --> 00:51:24,998
companies know they first of

1451
00:51:24,998 --> 00:51:26,166
all, they got the funding, they

1452
00:51:26,166 --> 00:51:27,542
got the money they got.

1453
00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:28,627
So they're just putting all

1454
00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:29,961
that into this and they're able

1455
00:51:29,961 --> 00:51:31,630
to create great works

1456
00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:32,881
of art on the building

1457
00:51:34,174 --> 00:51:35,300
that you would probably never,

1458
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:36,802
ever really see happening

1459
00:51:36,802 --> 00:51:37,969
otherwise.

1460
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:14,548
[Sloke] To be honest with you,

1461
00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:16,216
man, I got burnt out, I

1462
00:52:16,216 --> 00:52:17,133
really got burnt out on

1463
00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:18,760
commercial work.

1464
00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:20,595
All money is not good money.

1465
00:52:27,185 --> 00:52:29,145
And I started to feel

1466
00:52:29,145 --> 00:52:31,648
like I was basically

1467
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:32,816
getting pimped out by

1468
00:52:32,816 --> 00:52:34,651
corporations.

1469
00:52:34,651 --> 00:52:36,444
I wasn't sure the money

1470
00:52:36,444 --> 00:52:38,363
was good. It was hard work.

1471
00:52:39,406 --> 00:52:41,283
There is no soul on it,

1472
00:52:41,283 --> 00:52:42,576
you know.

1473
00:52:42,576 --> 00:52:43,994
And I felt like I started to

1474
00:52:43,994 --> 00:52:45,620
lose why I got into this in the

1475
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:47,080
first place.

1476
00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,169
And it cease to be fun,

1477
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:55,338
and I really just stepped back

1478
00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:57,382
from it around that time.

1479
00:52:57,382 --> 00:52:59,050
Street art here was exploding

1480
00:52:59,050 --> 00:53:00,760
and every week there

1481
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,304
was some new hotshot artists

1482
00:53:02,304 --> 00:53:04,055
that came out of nowhere

1483
00:53:04,055 --> 00:53:05,891
doing cute

1484
00:53:05,891 --> 00:53:06,975
and friendly murals around

1485
00:53:06,975 --> 00:53:08,685
town. And and honestly, man,

1486
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:09,603
I just really the whole thing

1487
00:53:09,603 --> 00:53:10,604
turned me off.

1488
00:53:11,354 --> 00:53:12,355
You know, like I said, I come

1489
00:53:12,355 --> 00:53:13,607
from a different generation.

1490
00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:16,234
It's almost like this art form

1491
00:53:16,234 --> 00:53:17,193
became a novelty.

1492
00:53:18,236 --> 00:53:19,905
In this city, and I don't want

1493
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:21,239
anything to do with it man.

1494
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:23,450
I paint for me, and if the

1495
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:24,951
public can enjoy my art, that's

1496
00:53:24,951 --> 00:53:26,703
that's the cherry on top.

1497
00:53:26,703 --> 00:53:27,829
But I'm paying for the public

1498
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:29,122
either.

1499
00:53:29,122 --> 00:53:30,290
Some say, well, you paint

1500
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:32,375
outside, isn't it public art?

1501
00:53:32,375 --> 00:53:33,710
Sure, I guess.

1502
00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:34,836
But isn't a billboard.

1503
00:53:34,836 --> 00:53:36,504
I mean, the same thing, depends

1504
00:53:36,504 --> 00:53:37,756
how you look at it.

1505
00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,507
It's crazy because one one

1506
00:53:39,507 --> 00:53:41,343
line could change everything.

1507
00:53:41,343 --> 00:53:42,344
It's a tough call, you know.

1508
00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:43,428
How do you juggle would you

1509
00:53:43,428 --> 00:53:44,429
love to do

1510
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,390
with making a living, you

1511
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:48,391
know?

1512
00:53:49,017 --> 00:53:50,644
And I'll revisit

1513
00:53:50,644 --> 00:53:52,312
it tomorrow

1514
00:53:52,312 --> 00:53:53,813
if I really feel, but right now

1515
00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:54,856
I'm feeling happy with it

1516
00:53:54,856 --> 00:53:55,774
because the bulk of the colors

1517
00:53:55,774 --> 00:53:57,525
is really

1518
00:53:57,525 --> 00:53:58,526
on the bottom right.

1519
00:53:59,778 --> 00:54:00,820
And that was the whole point.

1520
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:01,821
That's why I,

1521
00:54:03,865 --> 00:54:04,574
that's why I have the

1522
00:54:04,574 --> 00:54:05,951
explosions going this way.

1523
00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:09,496
I always tend to go to the

1524
00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:11,289
right corner, but

1525
00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:12,332
that's one example of the

1526
00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,750
abstract styles that I do.

1527
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:15,919
But I just I

1528
00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:17,170
really like these because,

1529
00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:20,757
they're therapeutic for me,

1530
00:54:20,757 --> 00:54:21,758
you know?

1531
00:54:26,262 --> 00:54:27,931
[Meres] Five points, you know,

1532
00:54:27,931 --> 00:54:30,308
which started early 2000s, grew

1533
00:54:30,308 --> 00:54:32,852
towards around 2010.

1534
00:54:35,021 --> 00:54:37,190
What started to happen in

1535
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:38,733
in that area, Long Island City,

1536
00:54:38,733 --> 00:54:39,985
Queens, New York,

1537
00:54:41,236 --> 00:54:42,570
right over the bridge to

1538
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:43,279
Manhattan, you could be in

1539
00:54:43,279 --> 00:54:44,698
Manhattan in like ten minutes.

1540
00:54:46,408 --> 00:54:48,159
Everything that's proximity

1541
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,203
to Manhattan radiating outward

1542
00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:51,496
is the first things that

1543
00:54:51,496 --> 00:54:53,123
obviously get gentrified

1544
00:54:53,123 --> 00:54:55,083
because the city's Manhattan

1545
00:54:55,083 --> 00:54:57,085
is the heartbeat of of New York

1546
00:54:57,085 --> 00:54:58,920
that opened up for real estate

1547
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,588
developers to

1548
00:55:00,588 --> 00:55:02,465
want to buy up all the

1549
00:55:02,465 --> 00:55:04,634
these factories and

1550
00:55:04,634 --> 00:55:06,052
eventually tear down the

1551
00:55:06,052 --> 00:55:07,929
buildings and build these

1552
00:55:07,929 --> 00:55:09,556
high rise towers

1553
00:55:09,556 --> 00:55:10,849
that exist now.

1554
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:12,517
2010 or a little later,

1555
00:55:13,935 --> 00:55:16,229
the idea that 5 Pointz

1556
00:55:16,229 --> 00:55:18,732
might become extinct.

1557
00:55:18,732 --> 00:55:20,483
So aside from me

1558
00:55:20,483 --> 00:55:22,277
running 5 Pointz and

1559
00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:23,987
aside from me obviously

1560
00:55:23,987 --> 00:55:25,780
having a love of that

1561
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:27,407
and I'm wanting

1562
00:55:27,407 --> 00:55:29,284
that to stay, I also living

1563
00:55:29,284 --> 00:55:30,201
in a neighborhood, don't want

1564
00:55:30,201 --> 00:55:32,412
to see a tower go up

1565
00:55:32,412 --> 00:55:33,663
two blocks from my house, which

1566
00:55:33,663 --> 00:55:34,873
puts a shadow on half of the

1567
00:55:34,873 --> 00:55:35,874
neighborhood.

1568
00:55:38,877 --> 00:55:40,211
A lawyer approached us at the

1569
00:55:40,211 --> 00:55:41,921
time in the loading dock

1570
00:55:41,921 --> 00:55:43,715
and knew of a law

1571
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:45,300
called VARA,

1572
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:46,926
Visual Artist Rights Act,

1573
00:55:46,926 --> 00:55:48,636
and she said

1574
00:55:48,636 --> 00:55:50,555
it's a way we could,

1575
00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:52,348
you know, give

1576
00:55:52,348 --> 00:55:54,434
more time to

1577
00:55:54,434 --> 00:55:56,269
try to save this

1578
00:55:56,269 --> 00:55:57,103
gem.

1579
00:55:57,103 --> 00:55:59,230
Also, if the law applied,

1580
00:55:59,230 --> 00:56:02,067
would ensure that we could save

1581
00:56:02,067 --> 00:56:04,527
and video and photo document

1582
00:56:04,527 --> 00:56:06,279
all the artwork on this

1583
00:56:06,279 --> 00:56:08,198
masterpiece properly

1584
00:56:08,198 --> 00:56:10,283
under law so that we could

1585
00:56:10,283 --> 00:56:11,868
preserve it for

1586
00:56:11,868 --> 00:56:12,869
the rest of eternity.

1587
00:56:14,412 --> 00:56:15,914
[Marie] One of the most famous

1588
00:56:15,914 --> 00:56:17,665
art destruction story of the

1589
00:56:17,665 --> 00:56:20,085
20th century is a destruction

1590
00:56:20,085 --> 00:56:21,878
of Diego Rivera's commissioned

1591
00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:23,004
mural at the base of

1592
00:56:23,004 --> 00:56:24,005
Rockefeller Center.

1593
00:56:26,091 --> 00:56:28,051
When he was retained

1594
00:56:28,051 --> 00:56:29,511
and contracted to do this

1595
00:56:29,511 --> 00:56:31,137
mural, he

1596
00:56:31,137 --> 00:56:33,348
gave a fairly rough sketch

1597
00:56:33,348 --> 00:56:35,266
and because of the political

1598
00:56:35,266 --> 00:56:36,893
time and his strong

1599
00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:38,812
beliefs, he decided

1600
00:56:38,812 --> 00:56:40,563
to include a portrait

1601
00:56:40,563 --> 00:56:41,564
of Lenin,

1602
00:56:42,649 --> 00:56:44,150
which did not meet the

1603
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:45,401
expectation of the

1604
00:56:45,401 --> 00:56:46,486
Rockefeller's.

1605
00:56:46,486 --> 00:56:48,238
And ultimately the mural got

1606
00:56:48,238 --> 00:56:49,531
destroyed.

1607
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:57,413
Fast forward to 1990,

1608
00:56:57,413 --> 00:56:59,249
a similar situation occurred

1609
00:56:59,249 --> 00:57:01,042
in San Francisco

1610
00:57:01,042 --> 00:57:03,044
with a tribute mural,

1611
00:57:03,044 --> 00:57:04,629
and it kind of

1612
00:57:04,629 --> 00:57:06,381
burst the law and

1613
00:57:06,381 --> 00:57:08,216
the need for the law, VARA

1614
00:57:08,216 --> 00:57:10,135
Visual Artist Rights Act

1615
00:57:10,135 --> 00:57:11,803
to make it simple

1616
00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:14,139
in United States the base,

1617
00:57:14,139 --> 00:57:15,807
of rights are

1618
00:57:15,807 --> 00:57:17,308
property rights, and the

1619
00:57:17,308 --> 00:57:19,018
concept of moral rights

1620
00:57:19,018 --> 00:57:20,603
does not really exist.

1621
00:57:20,603 --> 00:57:23,356
So VARA was very necessary

1622
00:57:23,356 --> 00:57:24,691
and was pushed by Senator

1623
00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,693
Kennedy and ultimately passed

1624
00:57:26,693 --> 00:57:28,653
and created as a new law.

1625
00:57:30,155 --> 00:57:31,531
Are we denying First Amendment

1626
00:57:31,531 --> 00:57:32,657
rights for individuals who want

1627
00:57:32,657 --> 00:57:34,033
to go over and destroy someone

1628
00:57:34,033 --> 00:57:34,993
else's art?

1629
00:57:34,993 --> 00:57:36,661
Visual Artist Rights Act,

1630
00:57:36,661 --> 00:57:38,454
protect artists, intellectual

1631
00:57:38,454 --> 00:57:39,747
property? And what does that

1632
00:57:39,747 --> 00:57:41,457
mean? It means that

1633
00:57:41,457 --> 00:57:43,585
an artist is entitled

1634
00:57:43,585 --> 00:57:44,794
to the rights and the

1635
00:57:44,794 --> 00:57:46,921
protection of their artwork.

1636
00:57:46,921 --> 00:57:48,756
As long as it's legal,

1637
00:57:48,756 --> 00:57:50,550
as long as it's signed, as

1638
00:57:50,550 --> 00:57:51,968
long as the author obviously is

1639
00:57:51,968 --> 00:57:53,761
alive, and as

1640
00:57:53,761 --> 00:57:56,097
long as it retains stature.

1641
00:57:56,097 --> 00:57:57,807
That obscure law

1642
00:57:57,807 --> 00:57:59,392
that was never used

1643
00:57:59,392 --> 00:58:01,186
at a trial with a jury

1644
00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:02,896
that never went to court,

1645
00:58:02,896 --> 00:58:04,480
per say, was for

1646
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,773
the first time used in the

1647
00:58:05,773 --> 00:58:06,774
5 Pointz case.

1648
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,111
[Meres] You know, the law was

1649
00:58:10,111 --> 00:58:11,487
presented, it was a

1650
00:58:11,487 --> 00:58:13,114
conversation between us,

1651
00:58:13,114 --> 00:58:14,866
the landlord and the judge,

1652
00:58:14,866 --> 00:58:17,118
so he tried to

1653
00:58:17,118 --> 00:58:18,578
have us work together to like,

1654
00:58:18,578 --> 00:58:20,705
hey, let's find a medium ground

1655
00:58:20,705 --> 00:58:22,582
and the judge.

1656
00:58:22,582 --> 00:58:24,167
As much as, he said to us, as

1657
00:58:24,167 --> 00:58:25,793
much as I appreciate the art,

1658
00:58:25,793 --> 00:58:27,045
it is this gentleman's

1659
00:58:27,045 --> 00:58:28,755
property. And I and I can't

1660
00:58:28,755 --> 00:58:30,256
find enough evidence to tell

1661
00:58:30,256 --> 00:58:32,133
him that you

1662
00:58:32,133 --> 00:58:33,885
can't develop your property

1663
00:58:33,885 --> 00:58:35,929
and build your towers.

1664
00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:37,555
That being said,

1665
00:58:37,555 --> 00:58:38,765
the law is still a law and you

1666
00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:41,226
have to give 90 days of time.

1667
00:58:41,226 --> 00:58:42,852
We could have saved

1668
00:58:43,895 --> 00:58:45,939
enough of that building

1669
00:58:45,939 --> 00:58:47,815
to fill a full museum

1670
00:58:47,815 --> 00:58:49,484
at another location

1671
00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:51,069
honoring five points.

1672
00:58:54,530 --> 00:58:56,324
[Marie] So twenty one artists

1673
00:58:56,324 --> 00:58:57,992
claim their VARA

1674
00:58:57,992 --> 00:58:59,953
rights and

1675
00:58:59,953 --> 00:59:01,829
first try to use VARA

1676
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:03,498
to protect their art.

1677
00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:05,166
The owner of the property

1678
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:07,252
has to give the 90 days

1679
00:59:08,169 --> 00:59:09,754
and at their own expenses

1680
00:59:09,754 --> 00:59:11,464
Artists have the time

1681
00:59:11,464 --> 00:59:13,299
to again document, remove.

1682
00:59:15,009 --> 00:59:16,594
[Meres] The judge ruled in his

1683
00:59:16,594 --> 00:59:18,554
favor and

1684
00:59:18,554 --> 00:59:20,473
expressed to him, the law

1685
00:59:20,473 --> 00:59:21,724
still is the law that you have

1686
00:59:21,724 --> 00:59:23,226
to give the 90 days notice

1687
00:59:23,226 --> 00:59:24,686
proceeded to go back into

1688
00:59:24,686 --> 00:59:26,646
chambers to craft

1689
00:59:26,646 --> 00:59:27,522
the verdict.

1690
00:59:27,522 --> 00:59:28,523
And you got to understand, a

1691
00:59:28,523 --> 00:59:30,275
judge writing a verdict

1692
00:59:30,275 --> 00:59:31,484
is no different than the artist

1693
00:59:31,484 --> 00:59:33,653
with a can creating a mural.

1694
00:59:33,653 --> 00:59:35,321
That's the time where he goes

1695
00:59:35,321 --> 00:59:37,282
back into his chambers and he

1696
00:59:37,282 --> 00:59:39,284
spends a lot of quality

1697
00:59:39,284 --> 00:59:41,494
time to really

1698
00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:43,162
put these words on

1699
00:59:43,162 --> 00:59:45,039
paper that will echo

1700
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:46,833
through eternity in

1701
00:59:46,833 --> 00:59:48,418
legal cases to

1702
00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:49,419
follow.

1703
00:59:55,508 --> 00:59:57,093
I got a phone call, 730,

1704
00:59:57,093 --> 00:59:58,011
which woke me up.

1705
00:59:58,011 --> 01:00:00,263
I arrived at five points

1706
01:00:00,263 --> 01:00:02,432
to see

1707
01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:04,976
the devastation and

1708
01:00:07,020 --> 01:00:08,229
And I was disgusted.

1709
01:00:08,229 --> 01:00:09,897
It was it was it was gone.

1710
01:00:19,615 --> 01:00:21,701
[Marie] In the case of 5 Pointz

1711
01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:23,286
from injunction, where

1712
01:00:23,286 --> 01:00:24,746
the attempt was to preserve the

1713
01:00:24,746 --> 01:00:26,414
artwork and get the necessary

1714
01:00:26,414 --> 01:00:28,124
time by the end

1715
01:00:28,124 --> 01:00:29,167
of the injunction, the

1716
01:00:29,167 --> 01:00:30,460
landlord, the owner of the

1717
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:32,045
building, went ahead and

1718
01:00:32,045 --> 01:00:33,546
painted everything white.

1719
01:00:33,546 --> 01:00:35,673
So he destroyed hundreds

1720
01:00:35,673 --> 01:00:37,425
of art and hundreds of

1721
01:00:37,425 --> 01:00:38,509
pieces.

1722
01:00:41,012 --> 01:00:42,513
[Meres] Before the judge was

1723
01:00:42,513 --> 01:00:44,515
able to craft and write his

1724
01:00:44,515 --> 01:00:46,642
verdict and release the

1725
01:00:46,642 --> 01:00:48,853
full verdict, the landlord

1726
01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:51,022
proceeded to hire

1727
01:00:51,022 --> 01:00:53,566
his workers to come and

1728
01:00:53,566 --> 01:00:55,318
overnight whitewashed

1729
01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:57,195
the entire industrial

1730
01:00:57,195 --> 01:00:58,654
complex.

1731
01:00:58,654 --> 01:00:59,989
All the murals around the

1732
01:00:59,989 --> 01:01:01,324
entire building,

1733
01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,410
the buff paint was watered down

1734
01:01:04,410 --> 01:01:06,496
so he could stretch the paint

1735
01:01:06,496 --> 01:01:08,831
and you could see the

1736
01:01:08,831 --> 01:01:09,957
murals coming through the

1737
01:01:09,957 --> 01:01:10,958
paint.

1738
01:01:13,002 --> 01:01:14,629
In the morning, by the time

1739
01:01:14,629 --> 01:01:15,880
I had gotten the phone call and

1740
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,840
arrived, 5 Pointz

1741
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,467
was pretty much annihilated

1742
01:01:19,467 --> 01:01:21,344
they had brought in, I'd say

1743
01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:23,346
probably about 40 workers to

1744
01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:25,098
to do this overnight without

1745
01:01:25,098 --> 01:01:26,682
permits under the

1746
01:01:26,682 --> 01:01:28,142
cover of darkness.

1747
01:01:28,142 --> 01:01:29,769
No different than a vandal,

1748
01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,729
what they accused us of being.

1749
01:01:33,564 --> 01:01:35,066
And pretty much.

1750
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:37,610
pissed on the judge's verdict,

1751
01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:39,362
as well as all the art that

1752
01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:41,155
had been given him for

1753
01:01:41,155 --> 01:01:42,281
free.

1754
01:01:43,866 --> 01:01:46,119
Over the years, that

1755
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:48,538
5 Pointz stood and

1756
01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:51,165
I felt, I felt horrible.

1757
01:01:51,165 --> 01:01:52,834
I felt like, you know.

1758
01:01:55,294 --> 01:01:58,131
I, you know, I was

1759
01:01:58,131 --> 01:01:59,882
just really let down and

1760
01:01:59,882 --> 01:02:01,551
I didn't believe he wouldn't

1761
01:02:01,551 --> 01:02:03,261
give us the 90 days, it

1762
01:02:03,261 --> 01:02:04,762
didn't make sense to me.

1763
01:02:05,638 --> 01:02:07,473
And that changed

1764
01:02:07,473 --> 01:02:09,434
everything. It became a

1765
01:02:09,434 --> 01:02:11,144
full blown criminal act

1766
01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:13,104
now and now

1767
01:02:13,104 --> 01:02:14,730
because of that, we had to

1768
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:15,940
go to court.

1769
01:02:44,635 --> 01:02:45,928
[Sloke] So we're here at Castle

1770
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:46,929
Castle Hill.

1771
01:02:46,929 --> 01:02:48,139
This is the old

1772
01:02:49,015 --> 01:02:51,684
we used to call the foundation.

1773
01:02:51,684 --> 01:02:52,894
It was basically a failed

1774
01:02:52,894 --> 01:02:54,812
property development

1775
01:02:54,812 --> 01:02:56,814
in the early 80s and

1776
01:02:56,814 --> 01:02:58,983
sat abandoned for decades.

1777
01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:01,360
There's a castle, there's an

1778
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,653
actual castle here that used to

1779
01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:04,572
be the Texas Military Academy

1780
01:03:04,572 --> 01:03:06,115
back in the eighteen hundreds.

1781
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:10,870
So back in the 90s, you know.

1782
01:03:11,704 --> 01:03:14,081
This place was fenced off and

1783
01:03:14,081 --> 01:03:15,333
my crew and I used to sneak in

1784
01:03:15,333 --> 01:03:16,792
here and paint on the walls,

1785
01:03:16,792 --> 01:03:18,044
you know, back then if you got

1786
01:03:18,044 --> 01:03:18,961
caught, you were definitely

1787
01:03:18,961 --> 01:03:19,962
going to jail.

1788
01:03:24,759 --> 01:03:26,385
What made me

1789
01:03:26,385 --> 01:03:28,054
transition

1790
01:03:28,054 --> 01:03:29,555
was getting arrested for the

1791
01:03:29,555 --> 01:03:31,557
third time for graffiti.

1792
01:03:31,557 --> 01:03:32,892
And going to jail for it.

1793
01:03:34,268 --> 01:03:35,561
Because when I was in jail for

1794
01:03:35,561 --> 01:03:37,271
graffiti, all I did was draw

1795
01:03:37,271 --> 01:03:39,148
envelopes for commissary.

1796
01:03:39,148 --> 01:03:40,149
OK.

1797
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:42,068
And on the envelopes,

1798
01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:43,194
I did graffiti.

1799
01:03:43,194 --> 01:03:44,028
So I was really going to do

1800
01:03:44,028 --> 01:03:44,987
graffiti on the street.

1801
01:03:44,987 --> 01:03:46,489
I was going to be drawing

1802
01:03:46,489 --> 01:03:47,448
graffiti in jail.

1803
01:03:47,448 --> 01:03:48,950
You see what I'm saying?

1804
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,785
So I had to find a way

1805
01:03:50,785 --> 01:03:52,328
to continue painting without

1806
01:03:52,328 --> 01:03:53,621
the consequences

1807
01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:55,748
When I got out of jail for the

1808
01:03:55,748 --> 01:03:57,917
third time for graffiti.

1809
01:03:57,917 --> 01:03:58,918
I started to make that

1810
01:03:58,918 --> 01:04:00,670
transition I call it

1811
01:04:00,670 --> 01:04:01,837
going above ground.

1812
01:04:02,588 --> 01:04:05,007
And I started to go more legit,

1813
01:04:05,007 --> 01:04:06,676
I remember my first mural's

1814
01:04:06,676 --> 01:04:07,760
I was knocking on business

1815
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,886
doors going, Hey man, can I

1816
01:04:08,886 --> 01:04:10,137
paint your wall, here's my

1817
01:04:10,137 --> 01:04:11,514
portfolio.

1818
01:04:11,514 --> 01:04:12,974
I remember riding my bike.

1819
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:15,560
With my backpack with my

1820
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,936
portfolio, because back then we

1821
01:04:16,936 --> 01:04:18,521
had four by six photos.

1822
01:04:19,855 --> 01:04:21,148
And saying, hey, man, can I

1823
01:04:21,148 --> 01:04:23,025
paint a mural and sometimes

1824
01:04:23,025 --> 01:04:24,735
I did it for free, sometimes

1825
01:04:24,735 --> 01:04:26,153
I did it for supplies.

1826
01:04:27,572 --> 01:04:29,031
And I didn't set out to be

1827
01:04:29,031 --> 01:04:29,824
like, I'm going to be a

1828
01:04:29,824 --> 01:04:31,867
professional artist.

1829
01:04:31,867 --> 01:04:33,119
I just kept painting.

1830
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:34,370
I mean, that's the reality.

1831
01:04:34,370 --> 01:04:35,162
I kept painting.

1832
01:04:35,162 --> 01:04:36,998
I never gave up.

1833
01:04:36,998 --> 01:04:38,332
I had some dark times in my

1834
01:04:38,332 --> 01:04:39,959
life and but graffiti

1835
01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:41,627
was always there.

1836
01:04:41,627 --> 01:04:43,045
And whenever I would get back

1837
01:04:43,045 --> 01:04:45,673
up after being knocked down,

1838
01:04:45,673 --> 01:04:46,841
I would immediately grab the

1839
01:04:46,841 --> 01:04:48,467
can because graffiti was my

1840
01:04:48,467 --> 01:04:50,136
release.

1841
01:04:50,136 --> 01:04:51,846
I mean, graffiti was what kept

1842
01:04:51,846 --> 01:04:53,222
me sane.

1843
01:04:53,222 --> 01:04:54,181
You know, whether it was

1844
01:04:54,181 --> 01:04:55,516
illegal or not,

1845
01:04:56,142 --> 01:04:58,019
just the act of creating,

1846
01:04:58,019 --> 01:04:59,478
you know.

1847
01:05:00,730 --> 01:05:01,981
Ya I was one of the first

1848
01:05:01,981 --> 01:05:03,566
artists to paint here in

1849
01:05:03,566 --> 01:05:06,193
2009, 2010.

1850
01:05:08,738 --> 01:05:09,864
Andi Scull from Hope,

1851
01:05:09,864 --> 01:05:11,616
approached me in 2010 about

1852
01:05:11,616 --> 01:05:12,617
painting here, you know, I was

1853
01:05:12,617 --> 01:05:14,285
a little reluctant

1854
01:05:14,285 --> 01:05:15,911
just because of the history

1855
01:05:15,911 --> 01:05:17,204
of the place.

1856
01:05:23,336 --> 01:05:24,712
For a while, you know, the

1857
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:26,505
first year and a half,

1858
01:05:26,505 --> 01:05:28,049
it was it was definitely a

1859
01:05:28,049 --> 01:05:30,259
really nice place to peice.

1860
01:05:30,259 --> 01:05:31,427
It just turned into like.

1861
01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:35,222
An art hub for Austin

1862
01:05:35,222 --> 01:05:36,974
for a while, but

1863
01:05:38,601 --> 01:05:40,186
But word got out

1864
01:05:40,186 --> 01:05:41,604
and it became a tourist

1865
01:05:41,604 --> 01:05:43,314
attraction, it just

1866
01:05:43,314 --> 01:05:45,024
got really popular, you know,

1867
01:05:45,024 --> 01:05:46,734
and you had people from all

1868
01:05:46,734 --> 01:05:49,153
over coming and painting

1869
01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:50,905
It was almost like the prettier

1870
01:05:50,905 --> 01:05:52,657
the art

1871
01:05:52,657 --> 01:05:54,367
the quicker got written on.

1872
01:05:55,951 --> 01:05:57,745
Tourists came and it really

1873
01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:58,704
got kind of blown out of

1874
01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:00,498
proportions you know,

1875
01:06:00,498 --> 01:06:02,249
I mean, once TripAdvisor put

1876
01:06:02,249 --> 01:06:03,542
it on its top 10 list, you

1877
01:06:03,542 --> 01:06:05,252
know, it was out

1878
01:06:05,252 --> 01:06:06,253
of control.

1879
01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:08,881
Whatever you painted really

1880
01:06:08,881 --> 01:06:09,799
didn't last long.

1881
01:06:09,799 --> 01:06:10,966
You know, scribbled on by

1882
01:06:10,966 --> 01:06:12,093
tourists was almost like an

1883
01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:13,094
amusement park.

1884
01:06:15,221 --> 01:06:17,640
But everybody had a spray can.

1885
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,641
[Laughs]

1886
01:06:20,017 --> 01:06:21,686
Yeah, kind of a shit

1887
01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,187
show, to be honest with you.

1888
01:06:24,897 --> 01:06:26,399
It definitely changed the art

1889
01:06:26,399 --> 01:06:27,650
scene here.

1890
01:06:28,984 --> 01:06:30,403
In good and bad ways, depending

1891
01:06:30,403 --> 01:06:31,362
how you want to look at it,

1892
01:06:31,362 --> 01:06:32,988
but, you know, it was

1893
01:06:32,988 --> 01:06:34,031
a cool place to paint while it

1894
01:06:34,031 --> 01:06:35,199
lasted.

1895
01:06:36,158 --> 01:06:37,451
You know, I think for the

1896
01:06:37,451 --> 01:06:38,828
neighbors around here, they

1897
01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:40,079
were glad to see you go, you

1898
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:41,122
know, I mean, they had up to a

1899
01:06:41,122 --> 01:06:42,707
thousand people a day here it

1900
01:06:42,707 --> 01:06:44,250
was pretty wild.

1901
01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:47,420
And they shut down

1902
01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:48,921
about two years ago,

1903
01:06:49,338 --> 01:06:51,298
the property got sold and it's

1904
01:06:51,298 --> 01:06:52,717
about to be developed, but

1905
01:06:53,634 --> 01:06:54,677
snuck through the gate tonight

1906
01:06:54,677 --> 01:06:56,554
and rocked a little silver

1907
01:06:56,554 --> 01:06:58,305
piece. If you get caught

1908
01:06:58,305 --> 01:06:59,640
I heard the fines pretty high,

1909
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,308
but it's a spot

1910
01:07:01,308 --> 01:07:03,185
I used to always paint.

1911
01:07:03,185 --> 01:07:04,562
I haven't really set foot on

1912
01:07:04,562 --> 01:07:07,314
here since it's been closed.

1913
01:07:07,314 --> 01:07:08,482
It's a lot of paint on these

1914
01:07:08,482 --> 01:07:09,483
walls.

1915
01:07:19,326 --> 01:07:20,161
[Jaber] So there's definitely

1916
01:07:20,161 --> 01:07:21,871
repercussions after I

1917
01:07:21,871 --> 01:07:23,539
spent that month in

1918
01:07:23,539 --> 01:07:25,374
jail, my life changed

1919
01:07:25,374 --> 01:07:27,293
drastically and,

1920
01:07:27,334 --> 01:07:29,211
you know, ended up working

1921
01:07:29,211 --> 01:07:30,963
out for me and I got lucky.

1922
01:07:30,963 --> 01:07:32,465
But at the time, you couldn't

1923
01:07:32,465 --> 01:07:33,591
tell me that.

1924
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:35,217
At the time, I thought my world

1925
01:07:35,217 --> 01:07:36,677
was ending.

1926
01:07:41,682 --> 01:07:43,017
I've been a pretty prolific

1927
01:07:43,017 --> 01:07:44,685
graffiti writer,

1928
01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:46,562
you know, my whole career,

1929
01:07:46,562 --> 01:07:49,106
and in

1930
01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:50,775
the smaller cities, they

1931
01:07:50,775 --> 01:07:53,027
tend to look a little closer

1932
01:07:53,027 --> 01:07:55,613
into graffiti cases

1933
01:07:56,864 --> 01:07:57,865
At one point

1934
01:07:58,908 --> 01:08:00,493
they put my face

1935
01:08:00,493 --> 01:08:02,411
up on a wanted poster.

1936
01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:03,454
So I was walking around this

1937
01:08:03,454 --> 01:08:04,705
neighborhood, taking down these

1938
01:08:04,705 --> 01:08:06,165
wanted posters.

1939
01:08:06,165 --> 01:08:07,917
Somebody turned me in for the

1940
01:08:07,917 --> 01:08:09,335
reward.

1941
01:08:09,335 --> 01:08:11,003
I had a little radio show and

1942
01:08:11,962 --> 01:08:13,631
they arrested me at

1943
01:08:13,631 --> 01:08:15,341
the radio station for suspicion

1944
01:08:15,341 --> 01:08:16,217
of graffiti.

1945
01:08:16,217 --> 01:08:17,551
They had no charge on me.

1946
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:19,386
They had no

1947
01:08:19,386 --> 01:08:20,971
video footage of me doing any

1948
01:08:20,971 --> 01:08:21,972
graffiti.

1949
01:08:22,598 --> 01:08:24,767
But they arrested me

1950
01:08:24,767 --> 01:08:26,685
and took me downtown.

1951
01:08:26,685 --> 01:08:28,437
They had a file on

1952
01:08:28,437 --> 01:08:29,814
me a thick file.

1953
01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:31,273
And they they're like, we're

1954
01:08:31,273 --> 01:08:32,149
going to talk about this file.

1955
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:33,400
And I was like, no, I don't

1956
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:34,819
have to talk about that file.

1957
01:08:34,819 --> 01:08:36,445
You can just house me or let

1958
01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:37,154
me go.

1959
01:08:37,154 --> 01:08:39,073
Instead of housing me,

1960
01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:40,574
they put you in a jumpsuit,

1961
01:08:40,574 --> 01:08:41,617
they give you a toothbrush.

1962
01:08:41,617 --> 01:08:42,326
You're going to be there for a

1963
01:08:42,326 --> 01:08:43,994
minute or

1964
01:08:43,994 --> 01:08:45,371
they book you and then they let

1965
01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:46,997
you go. They booked me and

1966
01:08:46,997 --> 01:08:48,374
let me go. But if they book

1967
01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:49,583
you, they're going to give you

1968
01:08:49,583 --> 01:08:50,709
a charge.

1969
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:52,294
These motherfuckers made

1970
01:08:52,294 --> 01:08:54,630
up a charge, so

1971
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:56,382
they made up a date and made a

1972
01:08:56,382 --> 01:08:57,174
charge.

1973
01:08:57,174 --> 01:08:58,384
So I'd have to come back to

1974
01:08:58,384 --> 01:09:00,010
court and just be in

1975
01:09:00,010 --> 01:09:01,595
the system, you know,

1976
01:09:02,304 --> 01:09:03,389
So I got the fuck out of that

1977
01:09:03,389 --> 01:09:04,640
state.

1978
01:09:12,898 --> 01:09:14,733
[Jaber] Graffiti writers, that's

1979
01:09:14,733 --> 01:09:15,776
why we have to keep a low

1980
01:09:15,776 --> 01:09:16,694
profile.

1981
01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:17,611
That's why we've got to be

1982
01:09:17,611 --> 01:09:19,697
reclusive. That's why

1983
01:09:19,697 --> 01:09:21,365
I think for me personally,

1984
01:09:21,365 --> 01:09:23,075
I liked it back in the 90s

1985
01:09:23,075 --> 01:09:24,660
when it was very secretive and

1986
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:26,161
a small little circle, like

1987
01:09:26,161 --> 01:09:27,329
everybody looked at each other

1988
01:09:27,329 --> 01:09:29,123
and nodded like Fight Club

1989
01:09:29,123 --> 01:09:31,083
versus now where it's like,

1990
01:09:31,083 --> 01:09:32,167
what you write. Oh, that's

1991
01:09:32,167 --> 01:09:33,627
great. Let's paint this thing

1992
01:09:33,627 --> 01:09:35,170
red. You know, everything's

1993
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:36,755
like social media

1994
01:09:36,755 --> 01:09:38,507
tech friendly. And, you know,

1995
01:09:38,507 --> 01:09:40,175
if you don't respond or you

1996
01:09:40,175 --> 01:09:42,094
don't act accordingly,

1997
01:09:42,094 --> 01:09:43,554
then you're a dick.

1998
01:09:43,554 --> 01:09:44,555
Well, back in the day,

1999
01:09:44,555 --> 01:09:46,265
everybody was a dick, you

2000
01:09:46,265 --> 01:09:47,182
know what I mean?

2001
01:09:47,182 --> 01:09:48,267
If you went into a yard, if you

2002
01:09:48,267 --> 01:09:50,185
went into a yard right now.

2003
01:09:50,185 --> 01:09:51,812
Back in the 90’s

2004
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:52,938
and someone came out and said,

2005
01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:53,981
what do you write?

2006
01:09:53,981 --> 01:09:56,108
You say, fuck you.

2007
01:09:56,108 --> 01:09:58,193
You know what I mean? Punch em,

2008
01:09:58,193 --> 01:09:58,944
take their paint.

2009
01:09:58,944 --> 01:09:59,737
You know what I mean? That's

2010
01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:01,322
just it was a different

2011
01:10:01,322 --> 01:10:02,615
kind of vibe.

2012
01:10:11,373 --> 01:10:13,375
[News reporter] Federal appeals

2013
01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:15,002
court upheld a 6.7 million

2014
01:10:15,002 --> 01:10:16,712
dollar settlement after their

2015
01:10:16,712 --> 01:10:18,297
work at the famed 5 Pointz

2016
01:10:18,297 --> 01:10:20,090
art mecca in Long Island City

2017
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:22,468
was destroyed in 2013

2018
01:10:22,468 --> 01:10:24,178
by a developer, all to make

2019
01:10:24,178 --> 01:10:26,263
room for luxury condos.

2020
01:10:26,263 --> 01:10:27,890
[Meres] Now, he broke the law

2021
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:29,141
fully and the judge was like,

2022
01:10:29,141 --> 01:10:30,392
OK, you broke the law.

2023
01:10:30,392 --> 01:10:32,061
And he was found guilty of

2024
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:33,729
violating VARA.

2025
01:10:33,729 --> 01:10:35,397
And the judge

2026
01:10:35,397 --> 01:10:37,024
at the time awarded the

2027
01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:38,567
maximum penalty.

2028
01:10:39,735 --> 01:10:41,278
It's been a hell of a ride.

2029
01:10:41,278 --> 01:10:42,905
It's been a horrible ride.

2030
01:10:42,905 --> 01:10:44,990
I love the positive

2031
01:10:44,990 --> 01:10:46,325
aspects of 5 Pointz.

2032
01:10:46,325 --> 01:10:47,910
I met artists from

2033
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:49,620
all over the world that

2034
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:51,956
I still share friendships with

2035
01:10:51,956 --> 01:10:54,166
and I don't regret

2036
01:10:54,166 --> 01:10:55,751
it. And I would do it all over

2037
01:10:55,751 --> 01:10:57,336
again just based on

2038
01:10:57,336 --> 01:11:01,131
the once in a lifetime

2039
01:11:01,131 --> 01:11:03,133
adventure it was.

2040
01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:05,427
And that's where we stand.

2041
01:11:06,136 --> 01:11:07,888
5 Pointz as a building

2042
01:11:07,888 --> 01:11:10,099
is gone, 5 Pointz,

2043
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:11,600
the non for profit which I

2044
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,185
created still

2045
01:11:13,185 --> 01:11:14,603
exists.

2046
01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:17,064
So 5 Pointz was a community,

2047
01:11:17,064 --> 01:11:18,857
5 Pointz was artists

2048
01:11:18,857 --> 01:11:20,150
from all over the world, all

2049
01:11:20,150 --> 01:11:21,777
different walks of

2050
01:11:21,777 --> 01:11:23,362
life coming to one

2051
01:11:23,362 --> 01:11:25,072
place, experiencing each

2052
01:11:25,072 --> 01:11:25,948
other's techniques,

2053
01:11:25,948 --> 01:11:27,324
experiencing each other's

2054
01:11:27,324 --> 01:11:29,076
cultures.

2055
01:11:32,788 --> 01:11:34,373
When when the

2056
01:11:34,373 --> 01:11:36,333
the whitewash occurred,

2057
01:11:36,333 --> 01:11:37,668
it was it was a slap in the

2058
01:11:37,668 --> 01:11:39,295
face, it was it was

2059
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:40,504
it was hard for people to

2060
01:11:40,504 --> 01:11:42,423
understand the law

2061
01:11:42,423 --> 01:11:44,466
that was presented VARA

2062
01:11:44,466 --> 01:11:46,260
giving 90 days

2063
01:11:46,260 --> 01:11:47,886
for people to do a last

2064
01:11:47,886 --> 01:11:49,596
visit for, you know, forget

2065
01:11:49,596 --> 01:11:51,348
about the preservation site for

2066
01:11:51,348 --> 01:11:53,058
a fan of the

2067
01:11:54,059 --> 01:11:56,061
you know, 12 plus years that

2068
01:11:56,061 --> 01:11:57,563
art existed on a building to be

2069
01:11:57,563 --> 01:11:59,231
able to come and say

2070
01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:01,317
goodbye, get the last photo

2071
01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:02,693
in front of a mural.

2072
01:12:05,904 --> 01:12:07,114
I mean, a lot of people felt

2073
01:12:07,114 --> 01:12:08,949
robbed, the

2074
01:12:08,949 --> 01:12:09,825
things that could have been

2075
01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:11,535
saved would have ensued,

2076
01:12:11,535 --> 01:12:13,287
ensured that, you know,

2077
01:12:13,287 --> 01:12:14,830
your children's children could

2078
01:12:14,830 --> 01:12:15,956
have went to a museum and

2079
01:12:15,956 --> 01:12:18,083
experience 5 Pointz,

2080
01:12:18,083 --> 01:12:19,418
you know, and if the means is

2081
01:12:19,418 --> 01:12:21,045
there to to preserve it

2082
01:12:21,045 --> 01:12:22,713
and it's of no consequence

2083
01:12:22,713 --> 01:12:24,131
to the owner to allow the

2084
01:12:24,131 --> 01:12:25,883
artwork to be preserved.

2085
01:12:25,883 --> 01:12:27,051
Considering that the artwork

2086
01:12:27,051 --> 01:12:29,595
meant so much to New Yorkers,

2087
01:12:29,595 --> 01:12:31,305
it was almost

2088
01:12:31,305 --> 01:12:32,639
disgusting and a slap in the

2089
01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:35,392
face that that

2090
01:12:35,392 --> 01:12:37,061
respect wasn't given.

2091
01:12:37,061 --> 01:12:38,645
And I think the

2092
01:12:38,645 --> 01:12:40,272
a big part of this case

2093
01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:42,107
is that, you know,

2094
01:12:42,107 --> 01:12:43,609
because you may not

2095
01:12:44,943 --> 01:12:46,987
view it the way

2096
01:12:46,987 --> 01:12:48,572
the community had viewed it in

2097
01:12:48,572 --> 01:12:50,282
this case, and because you may

2098
01:12:50,282 --> 01:12:51,909
not view it as

2099
01:12:51,909 --> 01:12:53,494
art, that is worth

2100
01:12:53,494 --> 01:12:55,162
you having to abide

2101
01:12:55,162 --> 01:12:57,081
by a rule or give it respect

2102
01:12:57,081 --> 01:12:58,749
in terms of

2103
01:12:58,749 --> 01:13:00,584
coming up with a compromise

2104
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,586
doesn't mean that you cannot

2105
01:13:02,586 --> 01:13:04,755
be punished for violating

2106
01:13:04,755 --> 01:13:06,006
those rights.

2107
01:13:06,006 --> 01:13:08,717
And it was in his decision to

2108
01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:11,595
act as my father and punish

2109
01:13:11,595 --> 01:13:13,263
me, you know,

2110
01:13:13,263 --> 01:13:14,890
and he broke the law in doing

2111
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:17,059
so. And that's what led to

2112
01:13:17,059 --> 01:13:18,852
an excruciating seven,

2113
01:13:18,852 --> 01:13:20,479
eight year trial and a

2114
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:21,480
lot of pain.

2115
01:13:25,317 --> 01:13:26,402
[Meres] It's a huge victory for

2116
01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:28,362
the artist. I mean, you know,

2117
01:13:28,362 --> 01:13:30,405
the creation of art,

2118
01:13:30,405 --> 01:13:31,698
the piece is a relationship.

2119
01:13:33,909 --> 01:13:35,786
We have the thought process

2120
01:13:35,786 --> 01:13:36,787
in our head of what we want to

2121
01:13:36,787 --> 01:13:38,413
put out,

2122
01:13:38,413 --> 01:13:40,624
the owner of the property

2123
01:13:40,624 --> 01:13:41,917
has the wall space that we

2124
01:13:41,917 --> 01:13:42,835
need.

2125
01:13:42,835 --> 01:13:44,461
The fans that come to

2126
01:13:44,461 --> 01:13:46,797
this property are potentially

2127
01:13:46,797 --> 01:13:47,798
customers.

2128
01:13:48,882 --> 01:13:50,717
We worked with CitizenM Brand

2129
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:52,469
Hotel, who had followed

2130
01:13:52,469 --> 01:13:54,096
the case and are huge

2131
01:13:54,096 --> 01:13:56,223
supporters of art and

2132
01:13:56,223 --> 01:13:57,891
felt that what

2133
01:13:57,891 --> 01:14:00,394
was done to us was unjust

2134
01:14:00,394 --> 01:14:01,979
and had a meeting with us and

2135
01:14:01,979 --> 01:14:04,523
offered us that there

2136
01:14:04,523 --> 01:14:05,399
what would become a CitizenM

2137
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:07,484
Bowery location.

2138
01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:10,988
For a collaboration,

2139
01:14:10,988 --> 01:14:12,573
that collaboration grew

2140
01:14:12,573 --> 01:14:14,449
not only from an outside

2141
01:14:14,449 --> 01:14:16,577
wall, which I created for

2142
01:14:16,577 --> 01:14:18,745
that hotel, and utilize

2143
01:14:18,745 --> 01:14:20,414
the stained glass style

2144
01:14:20,414 --> 01:14:22,332
that I birthed after

2145
01:14:22,332 --> 01:14:23,834
the destruction of 5 Pointz

2146
01:14:23,834 --> 01:14:25,502
in coming out of depression,

2147
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:27,921
we also brought back some of

2148
01:14:27,921 --> 01:14:29,631
the valuable players

2149
01:14:29,631 --> 01:14:31,633
of five points to

2150
01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:33,594
tell the story of the Bowery,

2151
01:14:33,594 --> 01:14:34,595
which is

2152
01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:36,930
where the hotel is

2153
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:39,725
over the years, and to

2154
01:14:40,601 --> 01:14:42,227
you know, give people a little

2155
01:14:42,227 --> 01:14:44,271
artistic taste of history

2156
01:14:44,271 --> 01:14:45,606
as well as a piece of

2157
01:14:45,606 --> 01:14:46,523
5 Pointz.

2158
01:14:46,523 --> 01:14:47,566
And it was a beautiful

2159
01:14:47,566 --> 01:14:48,859
collaboration.

2160
01:14:55,407 --> 01:14:56,783
{Meres] We created MoSA, Museum

2161
01:14:56,783 --> 01:14:58,535
of Street Art, which is a 21

2162
01:14:58,535 --> 01:15:00,120
floor walk down museum.

2163
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,164
It took a lot of planning

2164
01:15:02,164 --> 01:15:03,916
because we insisted

2165
01:15:03,916 --> 01:15:05,584
in order to do it.

2166
01:15:05,584 --> 01:15:07,377
We wanted to do it free for

2167
01:15:07,377 --> 01:15:08,921
the public to enjoy.

2168
01:15:08,921 --> 01:15:10,214
No different than 5 Pointz

2169
01:15:10,214 --> 01:15:11,924
was for the people

2170
01:15:11,924 --> 01:15:12,925
by the people.

2171
01:15:23,101 --> 01:15:24,645
[Sloke] I think times are slowly

2172
01:15:24,645 --> 01:15:26,855
changing where people realize

2173
01:15:26,855 --> 01:15:28,607
these are valid art forms and

2174
01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:30,108
it is nice and it does take

2175
01:15:30,108 --> 01:15:31,944
work and does take skill.

2176
01:15:33,237 --> 01:15:34,863
[Sloke] What I’d like for you

2177
01:15:34,863 --> 01:15:36,323
do is to fill in all this.

2178
01:15:36,323 --> 01:15:37,491
Don’t worry about it.

2179
01:15:37,491 --> 01:15:39,284
Just try to stay in the line.

2180
01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:40,661
That section right here.

2181
01:15:42,454 --> 01:15:43,413
Because if you think about it,

2182
01:15:43,413 --> 01:15:45,457
how do things survive in life

2183
01:15:45,457 --> 01:15:47,501
with the younger generation,

2184
01:15:47,501 --> 01:15:48,460
they're going to be the ones

2185
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:50,003
carrying it, but

2186
01:15:50,003 --> 01:15:52,089
it's up to the veterans

2187
01:15:52,089 --> 01:15:53,757
or the all the elders to pass

2188
01:15:53,757 --> 01:15:55,300
that torch on.

2189
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:56,802
So I love seeing what's going

2190
01:15:56,802 --> 01:15:57,970
on today.

2191
01:15:57,970 --> 01:15:59,346
I try not to look at the

2192
01:15:59,346 --> 01:16:00,514
negative. I mean, there was a

2193
01:16:00,514 --> 01:16:03,392
time where I watched

2194
01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:04,851
this whole city changed

2195
01:16:04,851 --> 01:16:06,228
practically overnight when it

2196
01:16:06,228 --> 01:16:07,896
came to these art forms

2197
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:08,897
and I watched money get

2198
01:16:08,897 --> 01:16:09,940
involved and I watched it

2199
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:11,650
destroy friendships

2200
01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:13,026
and it became it went from

2201
01:16:13,026 --> 01:16:15,153
community to business.

2202
01:16:15,153 --> 01:16:16,989
And it was

2203
01:16:16,989 --> 01:16:18,532
it was hard to see.

2204
01:16:18,532 --> 01:16:19,658
And I saw it in a lot of other

2205
01:16:19,658 --> 01:16:20,534
cities, too.

2206
01:16:20,534 --> 01:16:21,576
But at the end of the day,

2207
01:16:21,576 --> 01:16:22,577
people got to eat,

2208
01:16:22,577 --> 01:16:23,620
[Sloke] this is what happens

2209
01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:24,579
[Sloke] this is what happens

2210
01:16:24,579 --> 01:16:25,580
long time.

2211
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:27,374
This is from Mike from Torchy's.

2212
01:16:29,293 --> 01:16:30,711
Could you give us a quote to

2213
01:16:30,711 --> 01:16:32,421
properly graffiti or first

2214
01:16:32,421 --> 01:16:34,131
Torchy's it keeps getting

2215
01:16:34,131 --> 01:16:35,716
tagged, then we clean it,

2216
01:16:35,716 --> 01:16:37,092
paint it and it gets tagged

2217
01:16:37,092 --> 01:16:37,759
again?

2218
01:16:37,759 --> 01:16:38,468
Exactly.

2219
01:16:38,468 --> 01:16:38,969
[Sloke Laughs]
-Exactly.

2220
01:16:38,969 --> 01:16:39,928
[Sloke Laughs]
-Exactly.

2221
01:16:39,928 --> 01:16:41,096
That’s the way to keep it clean.

2222
01:16:41,096 --> 01:16:44,141
Put one of your pieces up on it.

2223
01:16:48,854 --> 01:16:50,689
[Dual] I spent years

2224
01:16:50,689 --> 01:16:52,441
on the streets putting

2225
01:16:52,441 --> 01:16:53,942
this moniker and his name out

2226
01:16:53,942 --> 01:16:55,694
there for people to start

2227
01:16:55,694 --> 01:16:57,946
to see and to like recognize,

2228
01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:00,866
I then wanted to

2229
01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:02,534
push my craft and kind

2230
01:17:02,534 --> 01:17:03,827
of take it to another level.

2231
01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:05,287
So I started to create

2232
01:17:05,287 --> 01:17:06,621
paintings and I wanted to push

2233
01:17:06,621 --> 01:17:08,332
it to this like more like

2234
01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:09,916
finer realm of art.

2235
01:17:09,916 --> 01:17:11,585
And even if

2236
01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:13,670
it doesn't ever really bring

2237
01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:15,839
huge success

2238
01:17:15,839 --> 01:17:17,716
and huge monetary

2239
01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:19,343
value, I still just want to be

2240
01:17:19,343 --> 01:17:20,552
able to wake up every day and

2241
01:17:20,552 --> 01:17:22,137
survive and make

2242
01:17:22,137 --> 01:17:24,306
art and

2243
01:17:24,306 --> 01:17:25,974
basically leave a

2244
01:17:25,974 --> 01:17:27,851
mark of myself

2245
01:17:27,851 --> 01:17:29,478
out there. You know,

2246
01:17:29,478 --> 01:17:31,605
whether it's with murals,

2247
01:17:31,605 --> 01:17:33,273
graffiti or these

2248
01:17:33,273 --> 01:17:35,359
paintings, these pieces will

2249
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,277
eventually outlast me.

2250
01:17:37,277 --> 01:17:38,904
And someone will

2251
01:17:38,904 --> 01:17:40,947
be able to see these years

2252
01:17:40,947 --> 01:17:42,783
and years down the line.

2253
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,121
[Meres] A kid 50 years from now

2254
01:17:48,121 --> 01:17:49,456
100 years from now

2255
01:17:49,456 --> 01:17:51,124
go to a museum and

2256
01:17:51,124 --> 01:17:53,126
actually see your paint stroke

2257
01:17:53,126 --> 01:17:54,711
and your technique.

2258
01:17:57,756 --> 01:18:00,133
I just embrace every

2259
01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:01,968
aspect and I push

2260
01:18:01,968 --> 01:18:03,679
it till my heart and

2261
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,263
my brain tell me it's time for

2262
01:18:05,263 --> 01:18:06,264
change.

2263
01:18:06,264 --> 01:18:07,891
And then I go with the

2264
01:18:07,891 --> 01:18:09,893
flow. I pretty much go

2265
01:18:09,893 --> 01:18:11,520
with the direction of the wind.

2266
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,271
And wherever it takes me.

2267
01:18:14,856 --> 01:18:16,233
[Never] I would want to tell

2268
01:18:16,233 --> 01:18:17,567
future generations, and even

2269
01:18:17,567 --> 01:18:18,777
current generations of writers

2270
01:18:18,777 --> 01:18:20,404
and artists like paint we

2271
01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:21,405
love, like whether it be just

2272
01:18:21,405 --> 01:18:22,739
doing letters, doing like a

2273
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:24,616
moniker doing

2274
01:18:24,616 --> 01:18:25,659
you know character or doing

2275
01:18:25,659 --> 01:18:27,202
murals. Like if you do what you

2276
01:18:27,202 --> 01:18:27,953
love, you're actually gonna

2277
01:18:27,953 --> 01:18:29,204
push yourself harder and make

2278
01:18:29,204 --> 01:18:30,705
like I want to fine tune and

2279
01:18:30,705 --> 01:18:31,581
keep getting better and better

2280
01:18:31,581 --> 01:18:32,582
at it.

2281
01:18:33,625 --> 01:18:35,085
Do it because it's like why you

2282
01:18:35,085 --> 01:18:35,919
want to wake up in the morning

2283
01:18:35,919 --> 01:18:37,546
and get out of bed, like same

2284
01:18:37,546 --> 01:18:38,547
reason some folks spend all day

2285
01:18:38,547 --> 01:18:39,714
at the gym or spend all day at

2286
01:18:39,714 --> 01:18:41,216
the beach, like if I was a

2287
01:18:41,216 --> 01:18:42,884
surfer, I'd surf every day

2288
01:18:42,884 --> 01:18:43,969
until I got sick of and do

2289
01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,011
something else. Like I approach

2290
01:18:45,011 --> 01:18:45,762
paint in the same way.

2291
01:18:45,762 --> 01:18:47,722
And it keeps me inspired and

2292
01:18:47,722 --> 01:18:48,640
it's still fun for me.

2293
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,724
And when it stops being fun,

2294
01:18:49,724 --> 01:18:50,517
I'll find something different

2295
01:18:50,517 --> 01:18:51,518
to do.

2296
01:18:53,019 --> 01:18:54,438
[Sloke] If I can do it, you can

2297
01:18:54,438 --> 01:18:55,439
do it. I'm not unique.

2298
01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:59,067
But there's so much more

2299
01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:00,777
than that post and those

2300
01:19:00,777 --> 01:19:03,071
comments in those likes,

2301
01:19:03,071 --> 01:19:04,364
you can't fake skill and you

2302
01:19:04,364 --> 01:19:05,782
can't fake experience, there's

2303
01:19:05,782 --> 01:19:07,826
no shortcuts to that.

2304
01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:09,703
I'm still learning and I will

2305
01:19:09,703 --> 01:19:11,371
hope to continue learning till

2306
01:19:11,371 --> 01:19:12,372
the day I die.

2307
01:19:13,123 --> 01:19:15,250
There's no plateaus man.

2308
01:19:15,459 --> 01:19:16,877
I know youngsters that I look

2309
01:19:16,877 --> 01:19:18,587
at them and I go, wow, man.

2310
01:19:18,587 --> 01:19:20,172
Like, stick with it

2311
01:19:20,172 --> 01:19:21,465
because you're good.

2312
01:19:22,549 --> 01:19:24,134
You know, a

2313
01:19:24,134 --> 01:19:25,760
lot of the what

2314
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,471
took me five to seven years

2315
01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:29,097
to learn can now be learned in

2316
01:19:29,097 --> 01:19:30,015
two. And that's the way it

2317
01:19:30,015 --> 01:19:30,807
should be. Right.

2318
01:19:30,807 --> 01:19:32,517
Things should advance.

2319
01:19:32,517 --> 01:19:34,519
You know, the techniques

2320
01:19:34,519 --> 01:19:36,480
I mean I learned on Krylon

2321
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:37,731
and Rust-O-Leum man, high

2322
01:19:37,731 --> 01:19:38,732
pressure stock caps.

2323
01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:40,942
You can't you learn to not

2324
01:19:40,942 --> 01:19:42,527
drip. You had to paint quick.

2325
01:19:42,527 --> 01:19:43,737
Nowadays the industry has

2326
01:19:43,737 --> 01:19:44,988
changed. You got low pressure,

2327
01:19:44,988 --> 01:19:46,907
high pressure. You got 20,

2328
01:19:46,907 --> 01:19:48,950
30, 40 caps to choose from.

2329
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:50,452
That's all good stuff.

2330
01:19:50,452 --> 01:19:51,620
But you still have to put in

2331
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:52,621
the work. You still have to

2332
01:19:52,621 --> 01:19:53,622
practice.

2333
01:19:53,622 --> 01:19:55,332
You know, you can't

2334
01:19:55,332 --> 01:19:56,291
substitute that.

2335
01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:57,834
There's no there's no shortcut

2336
01:19:57,834 --> 01:19:59,377
for the ten thousand plus hours

2337
01:19:59,377 --> 01:20:00,378
you need to put in.

2338
01:20:11,264 --> 01:20:12,766
[Jaber] There's nothing better

2339
01:20:13,934 --> 01:20:15,519
than creating

2340
01:20:15,519 --> 01:20:17,604
something and seeing somebody

2341
01:20:17,604 --> 01:20:19,314
see it and that and seeing

2342
01:20:19,314 --> 01:20:21,233
them smile, there's nothing

2343
01:20:21,233 --> 01:20:22,234
better than that.

2344
01:20:22,901 --> 01:20:24,778
The effect on another person

2345
01:20:24,778 --> 01:20:27,739
is very internally

2346
01:20:27,739 --> 01:20:29,199
rewarding,

2347
01:20:29,616 --> 01:20:31,159
but I don't know what I'm going

2348
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:32,160
to leave behind.

2349
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,412
I think about that

2350
01:20:34,412 --> 01:20:36,373
very often.

2351
01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:38,416
And I guess

2352
01:20:38,416 --> 01:20:40,168
the answer to that is what

2353
01:20:40,168 --> 01:20:42,170
I would prefer to leave behind

2354
01:20:43,922 --> 01:20:45,549
something that somebody could

2355
01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:47,300
laugh at or

2356
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:48,593
somebody would be like, Oh, I

2357
01:20:48,593 --> 01:20:50,178
remember that fool, Jaber,

2358
01:20:50,178 --> 01:20:52,639
he crazy motherfucker.

2359
01:20:52,639 --> 01:20:54,975
Oh, he died shit. [Laughs]

2360
01:20:54,975 --> 01:20:56,643
I'm trying to influence people

2361
01:20:56,643 --> 01:20:58,728
just to do,

2362
01:20:58,728 --> 01:21:00,564
you know, just

2363
01:21:00,564 --> 01:21:02,274
get up off the couch and go

2364
01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:03,441
do it.

2365
01:21:03,441 --> 01:21:04,317
That's what I'm trying to

2366
01:21:04,317 --> 01:21:05,819
influence people to do.

2367
01:21:07,362 --> 01:21:10,448
And that's why I just do it all

2368
01:21:10,448 --> 01:21:11,449
the time.

2369
01:21:12,993 --> 01:21:15,036
[Meres] I've influenced many

2370
01:21:15,036 --> 01:21:17,080
I've had many influence me,

2371
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:18,957
and I think it's important

2372
01:21:18,957 --> 01:21:20,584
to kind of leave

2373
01:21:20,584 --> 01:21:22,043
that little piece of DNA out

2374
01:21:22,043 --> 01:21:24,254
there in the universe so that

2375
01:21:24,254 --> 01:21:29,092
the artists to be can experience

2376
01:21:29,092 --> 01:21:30,635
not only your struggles, but

2377
01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:32,262
your your good times,

2378
01:21:32,262 --> 01:21:33,972
grow the story and

2379
01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:36,474
add their blueprint to it.

2380
01:21:36,474 --> 01:21:38,602
And I think that's priceless.

2381
01:21:38,602 --> 01:21:39,728
So I think we are the

2382
01:21:39,728 --> 01:21:41,021
storytellers. We are

2383
01:21:41,021 --> 01:21:42,689
the storytellers of the future.