1 00:00:03,921 --> 00:00:06,256 If you don't know who I am, then you don't know my show, 2 00:00:06,256 --> 00:00:09,259 then that means you've been under a ----in' rock. 3 00:00:09,259 --> 00:00:12,387 In the 90s, when Carlos Mencia was blowin' up... 4 00:00:12,387 --> 00:00:13,972 Mencia! 5 00:00:13,972 --> 00:00:16,058 ...he was up in people's faces. 6 00:00:16,058 --> 00:00:19,061 You have no ----in' idea how it is if... 7 00:00:19,061 --> 00:00:23,023 He destroys a room. Carlos was driven, 8 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:26,318 and he would've done anything to get to the top. 9 00:00:26,318 --> 00:00:28,904 White people don't know shit about geography, huh? 10 00:00:28,904 --> 00:00:31,698 "Hey man, where are you from"? 11 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:33,617 I can say anything. Paraguay, Uruguay, 12 00:00:33,617 --> 00:00:35,702 Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina... 13 00:00:35,702 --> 00:00:36,912 what do they say? 14 00:00:36,912 --> 00:00:40,457 "Oh, you're Mexican, huh." 15 00:00:40,457 --> 00:00:43,669 He lived and ate and slept comedy... 16 00:00:43,669 --> 00:00:45,295 and he's a brilliant performer. 17 00:00:45,295 --> 00:00:47,297 I go to Miami, I'm not Mexican anymore, 18 00:00:47,297 --> 00:00:49,341 no, I'm Cuban. 19 00:00:49,341 --> 00:00:52,553 He had several HBO specials 20 00:00:52,553 --> 00:00:55,138 sell out all over the country. 21 00:00:55,138 --> 00:00:56,807 Please welcome Carlos Mencia. 22 00:00:56,807 --> 00:01:00,018 Overnight he was this huge sensation. 23 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:01,853 ♪ 24 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:04,356 Then one night it all changes. 25 00:01:04,356 --> 00:01:06,984 [Carlos] Why would it matter to you? 26 00:01:06,984 --> 00:01:10,112 Why would it matter to you? Why would it matter to you? 27 00:01:10,112 --> 00:01:12,322 This was one of the biggest scandals in comedy. 28 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:15,075 A video goes viral and turns Carlos Mencia into one of 29 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:17,286 the most hated comedians in America. 30 00:01:17,286 --> 00:01:18,787 It's easy to say, "You steal shit." 31 00:01:18,787 --> 00:01:21,248 I could say you steal shit. 32 00:01:21,248 --> 00:01:23,834 Carlos Mencia just became the poster child 33 00:01:23,834 --> 00:01:25,586 for joke stealing. 34 00:01:25,586 --> 00:01:27,713 Carlos Mencia is taking credit for our joke. 35 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:29,506 [Radio] Just call him the phoney Mexican 36 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:31,425 or Carlos "Men-steal-ia". 37 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:35,887 Carlos had become this ugly evil spirit in comedy. 38 00:01:35,887 --> 00:01:39,308 I just kinda remember him disappearing from the scene. 39 00:01:39,308 --> 00:01:43,478 If Carlos had just a little bit of humility, 40 00:01:43,478 --> 00:01:45,188 things would've been a lot different. 41 00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:46,982 ♪ 42 00:01:46,982 --> 00:01:48,025 [Overlapping voices] Ladies and gentlemen! 43 00:01:48,025 --> 00:01:49,401 You're about to be entertained! 44 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:51,361 Getting the laugh is the greatest addiction. 45 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:52,654 They want more of it, they want more of it. 46 00:01:52,654 --> 00:01:54,948 He was getting death threats. It [beep] with your head! 47 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:56,617 ...he's out of his skull! That's what took her down. 48 00:01:56,617 --> 00:01:58,243 This is a crazy story. 49 00:01:58,243 --> 00:02:00,579 ♪ 50 00:02:01,538 --> 00:02:02,789 I grew up in East LA. 51 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:04,625 I feel Mexican 'cause I grew up there and shit 52 00:02:04,625 --> 00:02:06,627 in the Maravilla Projects. That's where I grew up. 53 00:02:06,627 --> 00:02:07,878 [Applauding] 54 00:02:07,878 --> 00:02:10,172 Carlos Mencia is raised in East Los Angeles, 55 00:02:10,172 --> 00:02:12,716 which boasts one the biggest Mexican populations 56 00:02:12,716 --> 00:02:15,344 in the United States. 57 00:02:15,344 --> 00:02:18,722 So The Projects are basically low income housing. 58 00:02:18,722 --> 00:02:20,891 It was really family oriented, like, 59 00:02:20,891 --> 00:02:22,476 everybody that we grew up around, 60 00:02:22,476 --> 00:02:25,562 I'm still friends with them. Even now. 61 00:02:25,562 --> 00:02:27,564 The Maravilla Projects are infamous for 62 00:02:27,564 --> 00:02:29,232 their gang culture. 63 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:31,276 And at 9 o'clock, sure enough all the parents, 64 00:02:31,276 --> 00:02:32,527 all the moms, all the dads, would be like, 65 00:02:32,527 --> 00:02:34,029 "Hey, get inside." You know. 66 00:02:34,029 --> 00:02:37,824 Mencia is determined not to fall prey to that life. 67 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:39,534 He could've been a criminal man. 68 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:41,161 You know, he could've said, "---- it." You know. 69 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,580 "I'm gonna join a gang and sell dope." 70 00:02:43,580 --> 00:02:45,290 ♪ 71 00:02:45,290 --> 00:02:47,793 From a young age, Mencia is told that he holds a ticket 72 00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:52,923 out of poverty, both for himself and his family. 73 00:02:52,923 --> 00:02:57,177 I'm Carlos Mencia, born Ned Arnel Mencia. 74 00:02:57,177 --> 00:03:00,263 You gotta understand who I've been to my family 75 00:03:00,263 --> 00:03:01,765 since I can remember. 76 00:03:01,765 --> 00:03:05,268 I was the special one, the chosen one. 77 00:03:05,268 --> 00:03:06,603 My mom had 18 kids. 78 00:03:06,603 --> 00:03:08,522 I said, "Mom, why'd you have so many kids"? 79 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:10,691 "Look at 'em, they're not all winners." 80 00:03:10,691 --> 00:03:12,317 [Laughing] 81 00:03:12,317 --> 00:03:15,570 From the time I can recall, my parents let me know 82 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:17,781 I was smart, I was different. 83 00:03:17,781 --> 00:03:19,074 When I was 8 years old, 84 00:03:19,074 --> 00:03:21,076 she put all of us against the wall. 85 00:03:21,076 --> 00:03:22,994 She said, "Carlos..." [Speaking Spanish] 86 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:25,872 "Move to the side. You 3 are very different. 87 00:03:25,872 --> 00:03:28,250 You're very special because you're smart. 88 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:29,668 If you apply yourself, 89 00:03:29,668 --> 00:03:31,962 take advantage of this country, 90 00:03:31,962 --> 00:03:34,005 you can make a lot of money." 91 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:35,340 Then she looked at the other 15 and went, 92 00:03:35,340 --> 00:03:36,800 "Your job, ----ers, is to pray that 93 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,635 one of them makes a lot of money." 94 00:03:38,635 --> 00:03:40,679 [Laughing] 95 00:03:40,679 --> 00:03:44,224 He developed the expectation of 96 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:47,519 being successful because 97 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:51,398 he was so bright and 98 00:03:51,398 --> 00:03:55,026 an anomaly in his family or his community, 99 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:57,529 and I think he had an expectation 100 00:03:57,529 --> 00:04:01,533 of himself to do something great. 101 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:05,495 The young Mencia more than lives up to his potential. 102 00:04:05,495 --> 00:04:07,873 I never went to the seventh, eighth, or ninth grades. 103 00:04:07,873 --> 00:04:11,585 I was skipped from the 6th grade to the 10th grade, 104 00:04:11,585 --> 00:04:13,503 and by the time I was like 19, 105 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:16,298 I pretty much had everything I needed to graduate 106 00:04:16,298 --> 00:04:18,216 as an engineer. 107 00:04:18,216 --> 00:04:20,260 So one day my girlfriend at the time 108 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:22,429 took me to The Improv. 109 00:04:22,429 --> 00:04:24,347 I watched a few comedians, Paula Poundstone, 110 00:04:24,347 --> 00:04:25,766 Rick Ducommun... 111 00:04:25,766 --> 00:04:29,144 and Rick Ducommun I connected with, because he was angry. 112 00:04:29,144 --> 00:04:31,438 I got shit to do, okay? 113 00:04:31,438 --> 00:04:33,857 And he told this joke about the old lady 114 00:04:33,857 --> 00:04:35,525 who's in front of the line. 115 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:37,694 Oh, oh, and you've got coupons too. 116 00:04:37,694 --> 00:04:39,821 Oh, good, good... 117 00:04:39,821 --> 00:04:43,074 because I want to live in this ----ing store. 118 00:04:43,074 --> 00:04:45,285 I just couldn't stop laughing. 119 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:48,413 Show's over, I am walking out of the hallway. 120 00:04:48,413 --> 00:04:51,666 I stop right above one of the lights. 121 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:55,420 I look back that stage, and I remember feeling, 122 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:58,089 I didn't think it, I felt it... 123 00:04:58,089 --> 00:05:01,259 I could do that. I want to do that. 124 00:05:01,259 --> 00:05:04,095 Carlos Mencia decides that he too will get on stage and 125 00:05:04,095 --> 00:05:05,931 do stand-up. 126 00:05:05,931 --> 00:05:08,600 I had no idea what to talk about. 127 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,727 So I literally go, "What are these... 128 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:11,978 what are these jokes"? 129 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:16,483 And I got a joke book, and I did like, two of the jokes, 130 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:19,778 kind of versioning of what I thought was funny. 131 00:05:19,778 --> 00:05:21,238 I know what you people are thinking, 132 00:05:21,238 --> 00:05:23,532 "Damn, finally the Mexican." 133 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:24,533 [Clapping] 134 00:05:24,533 --> 00:05:25,700 I know, you know how it is... 135 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:27,285 they had me in the kitchen, you know how that goes. 136 00:05:27,285 --> 00:05:28,787 [Laughing] 137 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:31,039 When I got off stage, the owner, 138 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:32,874 Jamie Masada goes, "Buddy... 139 00:05:32,874 --> 00:05:37,587 I like this, that you pretend it's your first time. 140 00:05:37,587 --> 00:05:41,007 Good." I was like, "What do you mean pretend"? 141 00:05:41,007 --> 00:05:43,301 "Buddy, it's your first time"? 142 00:05:43,301 --> 00:05:45,470 That's the first time I had ever been on stage, ever. 143 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:49,015 He's like, "Buddy, never stop. Never stop." 144 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:52,060 And that was it. 145 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,021 He started to get a taste. 146 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:56,273 Thank you! 147 00:05:56,273 --> 00:05:59,317 And an idea of what he was capable of. 148 00:05:59,317 --> 00:06:02,153 There was no turning back. 149 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:05,031 Less than a month after that I quit my job at Farmer's 150 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:08,869 Insurance and dedicated myself to doing stand-up. 151 00:06:08,869 --> 00:06:10,453 Yeah, I know what you're thinking. 152 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:12,539 I know what you're thinking. Well, you know what? 153 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,374 You thought wrong. I ain't doing that. 154 00:06:14,374 --> 00:06:15,834 I'm a comic and I'm funny. 155 00:06:15,834 --> 00:06:17,794 Mencia's family is devastated. 156 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:20,088 This calls for action. 157 00:06:20,088 --> 00:06:21,840 ♪ 158 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,425 We usually had Sunday dinners, 159 00:06:23,425 --> 00:06:25,552 and I come to my mom's house, 160 00:06:25,552 --> 00:06:29,973 and I notice a lot of cars that I recognize. 161 00:06:29,973 --> 00:06:33,602 I'm starting to go, "This is way more than normal." 162 00:06:33,602 --> 00:06:38,940 I walk in and cousins, aunts, uncles, 163 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:43,361 brothers, sisters all staring at me. 164 00:06:43,361 --> 00:06:46,823 Now I realize this is about me. 165 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:50,827 They start telling me how I'm ruining my life, 166 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:55,790 how stupid I am. This gift of a child is rotting away. 167 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:58,251 Well, I think Carlos Mencia's immigrant family 168 00:06:58,251 --> 00:07:01,755 just was like, "Que, que? What? 169 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:03,715 What do you mean you're gonna be a comedian"? 170 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:05,675 It feels like a slap in the face of them 'cause 171 00:07:05,675 --> 00:07:08,678 they don't really understand it. 172 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:10,305 When it got to my dad, 173 00:07:10,305 --> 00:07:11,848 he's the driving force of my family. 174 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:13,350 He's the dreamer. 175 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:15,560 So I said to my dad, "Remember when I was 176 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,480 10 years old, you said that you came to this country 177 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,485 so that I could be anything I wanted to be." 178 00:07:23,485 --> 00:07:26,988 And I said, "Dad, whatever you say 179 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:29,032 is what matters to me." 180 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:32,661 And that's when my dad looked at everybody 181 00:07:32,661 --> 00:07:34,913 and said- [Laughing] 182 00:07:34,913 --> 00:07:37,749 "If he wants to be a clown... 183 00:07:37,749 --> 00:07:40,961 ---- it. Let him juggle!" 184 00:07:40,961 --> 00:07:42,629 With his father's newfound support, 185 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:44,631 Mencia goes all in. .. 186 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:46,257 Developing his own comedic voice 187 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:48,718 that draws on Mexican life in America. 188 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:52,097 Because in the Latino family, if my brother has money, 189 00:07:52,097 --> 00:07:53,473 hey, we're all rich. 190 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,266 That's the way we look at it. 191 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:57,769 In the 90s when Carlos was blowing up, 192 00:07:57,769 --> 00:08:01,106 he wanted people to know who Latinos were. 193 00:08:01,106 --> 00:08:03,984 He wanted people to know what his experience was, 194 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:06,403 and he was up in people's faces. 195 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:09,280 'Cause you have no ----ing idea how it is. 196 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,282 If you're Black or Mexican, you turn on the ----ing 197 00:08:11,282 --> 00:08:12,742 television and there's the news, 198 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:16,287 it's always Paco and Tyrone doing all the ----ed up shit. 199 00:08:16,287 --> 00:08:17,747 [Laughing] 200 00:08:17,747 --> 00:08:20,291 He's soon noticed by LA legend Mitzi Shore, 201 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:23,837 who offers Mencia a job at her iconic club, 202 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:25,255 The Comedy Store. 203 00:08:25,255 --> 00:08:29,009 In the 80s The Comedy Store was at its height, 204 00:08:29,009 --> 00:08:32,637 and anyone who was everyone that came out of there, 205 00:08:32,637 --> 00:08:34,973 became a celebrity. 206 00:08:34,973 --> 00:08:36,808 You know who is to blame for looting... 207 00:08:36,808 --> 00:08:38,935 Mitzi Shore recognizes Mencia's talent and 208 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:42,355 gives him a regular spot doing stand-up. 209 00:08:42,355 --> 00:08:44,941 You know, in the beginning I was always on at midnight. 210 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:47,027 Midnight at The Comedy Store meant 211 00:08:47,027 --> 00:08:48,820 two o'clock in the morning. 212 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:53,283 'Cause nobody did their time. 213 00:08:53,283 --> 00:08:55,410 She wanted to do that on purpose, 214 00:08:55,410 --> 00:08:58,163 but it only reinforced the fact that 215 00:08:58,163 --> 00:09:00,957 she was trying to be a mentor. 216 00:09:00,957 --> 00:09:03,418 It's not long before Mencia goes from club regular to 217 00:09:03,418 --> 00:09:06,838 rising star, and in 1994 he lands a half hour 218 00:09:06,838 --> 00:09:09,424 comedy special on HBO. 219 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:13,219 And it just seemed kind of like overnight he was this 220 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:17,182 huge sensation, and he was selling out rooms. 221 00:09:17,182 --> 00:09:18,641 How many Mexicans, Latinos... 222 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:20,810 hear some ----ing noise. 223 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:25,231 We went from living in this kind of rundown condo 224 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:28,359 to a new house in Encino, like, 225 00:09:28,359 --> 00:09:32,238 beyond what I thought we would ever get. 226 00:09:32,238 --> 00:09:34,532 When he started making a lot of money, you know, 227 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:35,825 he started spreading the wealth. 228 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:37,577 When family members asked for money, 229 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:39,329 he was like, "Hey, you know what? Sure." 230 00:09:39,329 --> 00:09:41,831 But for all his success and generosity, 231 00:09:41,831 --> 00:09:45,001 Mencia is also gaining an entirely different reputation 232 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,129 as a bully and a joke stealer. 233 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:50,090 As comedians, you know, you're traveling around the 234 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:54,177 country, and the same openers are in those cities, 235 00:09:54,177 --> 00:09:56,930 and they come up to you and they're like, "Hey man. 236 00:09:56,930 --> 00:09:58,973 Carlos Mencia was here two months ago. 237 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:01,976 You know, I do this joke, Willie, man, he does it now." 238 00:10:01,976 --> 00:10:04,729 It actually happened to me. 239 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:09,359 I vividly remember writing a joke and it took me five, 240 00:10:09,359 --> 00:10:11,736 six years to develop it, and then I see 241 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:15,156 Carlos doing a very similar bit. 242 00:10:15,156 --> 00:10:17,283 And I'm like, wait a second, dude. 243 00:10:17,283 --> 00:10:20,286 I've been working that joke for six years. 244 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,789 I finally figured out what made it that funny, 245 00:10:22,789 --> 00:10:24,874 and now this dude's doing it. 246 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:27,293 There's an ethic to comedy. 247 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:29,796 There are rules to stand-up comedy, 248 00:10:29,796 --> 00:10:31,923 and Carlos was breaking the rules, 249 00:10:31,923 --> 00:10:35,510 and that just opened up this whole Pandora's box. 250 00:10:42,225 --> 00:10:44,018 And that was ----ed up, 'cause during the riots 251 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:46,062 Black people were all mad at Mexicans and shit. 252 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:47,355 There were a lot of Black people... 253 00:10:47,355 --> 00:10:48,439 why were you all mad at us? 254 00:10:48,439 --> 00:10:49,816 That's ----ed up. 255 00:10:49,816 --> 00:10:51,484 Just 'cause we looted better than you. 256 00:10:51,484 --> 00:10:53,111 What the ---- was that all about? 257 00:10:53,111 --> 00:10:55,697 -[Laughing] -----! 258 00:10:55,697 --> 00:10:58,408 While Carlos Mencia's popularity skyrockets, 259 00:10:58,408 --> 00:11:01,119 the release of his HBO special has some people 260 00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:02,912 questioning his integrity. 261 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:05,331 Alright, welcome to- [speaking Spanish] 262 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:09,085 George Lopez accused me back in the day of stealing six or 263 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:12,213 seven minutes of his act when I did my first special. 264 00:11:12,213 --> 00:11:14,048 My grandmother gave me a putaso- 265 00:11:14,048 --> 00:11:16,134 [Laughing] 266 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:18,469 I know that George Lopez was really upset, 'cause Carlos, 267 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:20,221 he didn't do anything to disguise it... 268 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:23,516 and that just made him, you know, lose it. 269 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:27,270 Stand-ups shouldn't be taking each other's jokes. 270 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:29,939 When you see a comedian who flat out has taken 271 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:32,984 someone else's joke, they're in trouble. 272 00:11:32,984 --> 00:11:35,945 ♪ 273 00:11:35,945 --> 00:11:37,530 There used to be a place called the Gaucho Grill 274 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:39,741 across the street from The Laugh Factory. 275 00:11:39,741 --> 00:11:41,451 I was with my girlfriend at the time, 276 00:11:41,451 --> 00:11:42,744 and I look up and I go, 277 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:46,497 "Oh, George is performing tonight." 278 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:49,542 Mencia decides to try and patch things up with Lopez. 279 00:11:49,542 --> 00:11:52,003 I went upstairs, 280 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:55,506 and he grabbed me by the shirt and 281 00:11:55,506 --> 00:11:59,969 pulled me in, and he ripped my chain that 282 00:11:59,969 --> 00:12:03,306 my girlfriend had given me. 283 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:06,684 And I said, "George, I don't watch you perform. 284 00:12:06,684 --> 00:12:08,728 I'm not doing your stuff." 285 00:12:08,728 --> 00:12:11,898 I walked away, and that was it. 286 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:13,733 It won't be the last time Mencia clashes with 287 00:12:13,733 --> 00:12:16,569 another comedian over stolen material, 288 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:19,864 but the incident doesn't slow down his meteoric rise, 289 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:23,576 which reaches new heights in 2001 when he headlines 290 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,912 the Three Amigos Comedy Tour. 291 00:12:25,912 --> 00:12:26,996 ♪ 292 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:28,873 Yes, I remember The Three Amigos! 293 00:12:28,873 --> 00:12:31,376 It was one of the funniest tours, 294 00:12:31,376 --> 00:12:33,294 I thought, ever put together. 295 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:35,129 My name is Erik Rivera. 296 00:12:35,129 --> 00:12:36,339 I am a stand-up comedian, 297 00:12:36,339 --> 00:12:38,424 been doing it for about 19 years now. 298 00:12:38,424 --> 00:12:41,219 These three guys were just monsters on stage. 299 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:43,680 The Three Amigos was a great idea. 300 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:44,973 It was Mencia. 301 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:47,600 Stop mother----er, stop. 302 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:48,601 Freddy Soto. 303 00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,353 "Man, I'm not gonna pee on my feet." 304 00:12:50,353 --> 00:12:51,854 "Oh, you want me to?" 305 00:12:51,854 --> 00:12:53,439 [Laughing] 306 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:54,482 And Pablo Francisco. 307 00:12:54,482 --> 00:12:56,317 Talk to me. [Quacking] 308 00:12:56,317 --> 00:12:58,152 Tell me your name. [Quacking] 309 00:12:58,152 --> 00:13:01,572 At the time I had been grooming Freddy Soto and 310 00:13:01,572 --> 00:13:03,700 been working with Pablo Francisco, 311 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:05,868 and those guys were amazing. 312 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:07,870 They weren't "known" quantities, 313 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:10,748 but they were great quantities. 314 00:13:10,748 --> 00:13:12,458 -Like numb, dude. -Right on, man. 315 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:14,419 The tour sells out and Mencia isn't 316 00:13:14,419 --> 00:13:16,754 the only one who benefits. 317 00:13:16,754 --> 00:13:18,089 The Three Amigos... 318 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:21,342 let me uplift these guys to a different stratosphere and 319 00:13:21,342 --> 00:13:25,263 that was pretty awesome that I got to do that. 320 00:13:25,263 --> 00:13:28,975 Carlos blazed the path for all of us. 321 00:13:28,975 --> 00:13:31,311 Give a big round of applause for Ernie G! 322 00:13:31,311 --> 00:13:34,355 He was the first Latino comedian I ever knew of 323 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:37,483 who was a multimillionaire before having 324 00:13:37,483 --> 00:13:40,611 a TV show or any kind of movie. 325 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:43,614 He made us go, "Dude, if that dude can do it, 326 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:45,533 I can do it too." 327 00:13:45,533 --> 00:13:48,953 A lot of comics went on the road with Carlos. 328 00:13:48,953 --> 00:13:51,205 The likes of Bobby Lee, Steve Treviño, 329 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:55,710 and Joe Koy all make it big touring with Mencia. 330 00:13:55,710 --> 00:13:57,378 -He discovered me. -Really? 331 00:13:57,378 --> 00:13:59,589 Yeah. Mencia was... 332 00:13:59,589 --> 00:14:02,091 Without Mencia I wouldn't have an agent or anything. 333 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:04,886 But then the allegations of stealing resurface. 334 00:14:04,886 --> 00:14:07,972 This time among comics Mencia has helped out. 335 00:14:07,972 --> 00:14:09,599 [Comic] Lopez basically told me. He goes, "Look, uh, 336 00:14:09,599 --> 00:14:11,684 Mencia is a horrible human being, 337 00:14:11,684 --> 00:14:13,394 and you shouldn't go with him." 338 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:16,814 And Freddy Soto would go, "Bro, don't trust this guy." 339 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:18,024 [Host] Yeah. 340 00:14:18,024 --> 00:14:20,109 "Bro, watch what you tell him." 341 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:22,445 He was feeling, "I'm up, you're down. 342 00:14:22,445 --> 00:14:24,530 I can shit on you, 343 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:27,617 and it's too bad if you don't like it." 344 00:14:27,617 --> 00:14:28,701 Despite the rumours, 345 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,661 Mencia gets a multimillion dollar deal 346 00:14:30,661 --> 00:14:33,331 with Comedy Central to create his own sketch show, 347 00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:35,375 'Mind of Mencia'. 348 00:14:35,375 --> 00:14:37,335 [Cheering] 349 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:41,172 And I was like, "Finally, I get to, like, show the world." 350 00:14:41,172 --> 00:14:43,549 The beaner got a show! 351 00:14:43,549 --> 00:14:44,926 [Cheering] 352 00:14:44,926 --> 00:14:46,135 But there's better. 353 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:49,597 You get to go on after Dave Chappelle's show, 354 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:52,809 which was the most successful show on cable at the time, 355 00:14:52,809 --> 00:14:56,312 and we want you and him to be back to back. 356 00:14:56,312 --> 00:15:00,024 I was just elated. 357 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:03,152 Elated! 358 00:15:03,152 --> 00:15:04,904 I think The Mind of Mencia was huge. 359 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:07,281 Because here comes this hot new kid. 360 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:09,409 I mean there was some great bits, man, 361 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:11,077 I'm gonna make fun of everybody. 362 00:15:11,077 --> 00:15:12,745 [Laughing] 363 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:15,873 The series showcases Mencia's brand of no holds barred, 364 00:15:15,873 --> 00:15:18,418 politically incorrect comedy. 365 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,128 America's a giant game of tag. 366 00:15:20,128 --> 00:15:21,712 Somebody's always it. 367 00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:24,132 September 11th, bad day in American history, 368 00:15:24,132 --> 00:15:26,968 great day for Blacks and Hispanics. 369 00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:29,053 'Cause on that day white people accepted us as 370 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:31,931 Americans, before that, we weren't Americans. 371 00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:34,434 Then on the 11th, the buildings collapsed, 372 00:15:34,434 --> 00:15:36,352 they showed the pictures of the hijackers. 373 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:38,354 Maria, Laquisha, Carlos, and Tyrone 374 00:15:38,354 --> 00:15:40,898 walked up to Ahmed and went, "Tag... 375 00:15:40,898 --> 00:15:42,525 Your turn!" 376 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:44,527 The stuff that we were doing was always hitting. 377 00:15:44,527 --> 00:15:47,655 You cannot be afraid of 378 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,323 doing what you think is funny because 379 00:15:49,323 --> 00:15:51,951 you think it might ruffle some feathers. 380 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,620 As Carlos' success continues to grow, 381 00:15:54,620 --> 00:15:56,372 so do his troubles. 382 00:15:56,372 --> 00:15:58,249 Whispers of his joke stealing in the community 383 00:15:58,249 --> 00:15:59,834 suddenly go public. 384 00:15:59,834 --> 00:16:02,712 Then, a new allegation surfaces. 385 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,338 Just call him the phoney Mexican or 386 00:16:04,338 --> 00:16:06,799 Carlos "Men-steal-ia", that's what we call him. 387 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:08,843 I knew that Carlos would say that he was Mexican. 388 00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:10,845 And I want to thank the band for not playing 389 00:16:10,845 --> 00:16:12,054 La Bamba for the Mexican. 390 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:13,848 Appreciate that very much. 391 00:16:13,848 --> 00:16:17,059 People questioned Carlos' authenticity 392 00:16:17,059 --> 00:16:19,061 because he's not Mexican. 393 00:16:19,061 --> 00:16:20,521 Are you kidding me? 394 00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:22,482 I mean this guy's got a fake ----ing name, 395 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:23,900 a fake ethnicity. 396 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:26,235 There's nothing genuine about him. 397 00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,863 All right, my next guest is a comedian and the star of the 398 00:16:28,863 --> 00:16:30,698 Comedy Central Series, 'Mind of Mencia'. 399 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:33,034 Please welcome Carlos Mencia. 400 00:16:33,034 --> 00:16:35,328 While questions about his authenticity swirl 401 00:16:35,328 --> 00:16:37,121 within the comedy community, 402 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:39,248 Mencia reaches the height of his fame. 403 00:16:39,248 --> 00:16:40,541 Congratulations first of all. 404 00:16:40,541 --> 00:16:41,751 Your show has been very successful, 405 00:16:41,751 --> 00:16:43,127 just got picked up for a third season. 406 00:16:43,127 --> 00:16:44,921 Third season, yeah, third season. 407 00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:46,088 [Cheering] 408 00:16:46,088 --> 00:16:48,299 But when those questions suddenly go mainstream, 409 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:50,301 things start to change. 410 00:16:50,301 --> 00:16:52,637 I didn't realize this. Carlos is not your real name. 411 00:16:52,637 --> 00:16:55,431 -Is that right? -My birth name is Ned. 412 00:16:55,431 --> 00:16:59,644 [Laughing] 413 00:16:59,644 --> 00:17:01,103 You're being serious. 414 00:17:01,103 --> 00:17:03,731 No, seriously, my birth name is Ned Arnel Mencia. 415 00:17:03,731 --> 00:17:05,358 But I grew up in East LA where, like, 416 00:17:05,358 --> 00:17:07,109 everybody's Mexican. 417 00:17:07,109 --> 00:17:09,487 He probably always had this, kind of, like, 418 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:12,198 crisis of identity, like who the heck am I? 419 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:14,033 -I was born in Honduras. -Right. 420 00:17:14,033 --> 00:17:16,452 So they'd be like, "Ned, you're the wetter wetback." 421 00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:17,995 And I was like, "How could I be wetter?" 422 00:17:17,995 --> 00:17:19,872 "'Cause you're from farther"? 423 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:21,749 [Laughing] 424 00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:24,794 When I was born, my birth mother 425 00:17:24,794 --> 00:17:27,296 had a brother who immigrated to America. 426 00:17:27,296 --> 00:17:29,799 She had a bunch of kids, he couldn't have kids, 427 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:31,092 she found out about that. 428 00:17:31,092 --> 00:17:33,386 So, when she was pregnant with me, he said, 429 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:36,055 "I'm gonna take you to America." And she said, 430 00:17:36,055 --> 00:17:38,432 "Well, I'm gonna give you a gift of a child because 431 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:40,351 you can't have any children." 432 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:41,894 It was pretty unbelievable that 433 00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:45,231 I got to be that gift. 434 00:17:45,231 --> 00:17:48,526 And my life from the moment I was born 435 00:17:48,526 --> 00:17:52,363 was to make other people happy. 436 00:17:52,363 --> 00:17:53,823 Through his adoption, 437 00:17:53,823 --> 00:17:56,284 Mencia gets a multicultural upbringing. 438 00:17:56,284 --> 00:17:58,327 My mother who adopted me is from 439 00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:00,162 Jerez, Zacatecas, Mexico, 440 00:18:00,162 --> 00:18:03,124 and so, the Mexican culture 441 00:18:03,124 --> 00:18:06,836 was a huge part of my life growing up. 442 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:08,838 It's not until Mencia starts doing comedy that 443 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:12,717 his cultural identity becomes an issue. 444 00:18:12,717 --> 00:18:15,803 When I started doing stand-up, 1988, 445 00:18:15,803 --> 00:18:20,641 a few months in, I got off stage and Mitzi Shore, 446 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:22,977 the famed owner of The Comedy Store said, 447 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:27,273 "You can't be an angry Mexican named Ned." 448 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,899 I said to her, "Well, first of all, 449 00:18:28,899 --> 00:18:30,526 I was born in Honduras." 450 00:18:30,526 --> 00:18:35,698 "Okay, well, you can't be an angry Mexican named Ned." 451 00:18:35,698 --> 00:18:37,867 That must be weird knowing that you were born in a 452 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,745 different country, and the neighbourhood doesn't really 453 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:42,955 accept you, and how the heck are you going to get a bunch 454 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,958 of strangers in a comedy club to accept you? 455 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:48,294 So I said, "Well, my last name is Mencia, 456 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,546 and I have an uncle named Carlos." And she said, 457 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:54,550 "Carlos Mencia, that's melodious." 458 00:18:54,550 --> 00:18:57,261 And I changed my name to Carlos Mencia. 459 00:18:57,261 --> 00:19:00,139 It is this double dutch that people of colour have to play 460 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:03,476 in this country so that they can survive. 461 00:19:03,476 --> 00:19:06,145 When Mencia's name change becomes public knowledge, 462 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:08,481 it turns into fodder for his detractors... 463 00:19:08,481 --> 00:19:10,566 like Joe Rogan. 464 00:19:10,566 --> 00:19:12,818 [Joe] It's open season on phoney Mexicans, 465 00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:15,363 you ----ing piece of shit! 466 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:18,407 Mencia's relentless focus on success blinds him to 467 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:21,869 the storm that's brewing in the background. 468 00:19:21,869 --> 00:19:25,206 Carlos had this inflated sense of who he was, 469 00:19:25,206 --> 00:19:28,626 and I can't imagine how difficult it is to stay humble 470 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:30,753 when you're selling out everywhere you go. 471 00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:32,755 I don't know how not to be committed to 472 00:19:32,755 --> 00:19:34,048 every little moment. 473 00:19:34,048 --> 00:19:35,716 Thank you very much. 474 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:38,219 I got to buy my mom and dad a house. 475 00:19:38,219 --> 00:19:40,596 I got to help most of my family in some way, 476 00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:43,015 shape or form, and all because people 477 00:19:43,015 --> 00:19:44,934 pay to see me perform. 478 00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,894 How do I not give them everything? 479 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:48,938 [Laughing] 480 00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:50,898 For me it's just a part of my being, 481 00:19:50,898 --> 00:19:54,610 but it's not always a positive thing. 482 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:57,988 There was a set lineup at The Comedy Store every night, 483 00:19:57,988 --> 00:20:02,618 but there were comedians who would show up and 484 00:20:02,618 --> 00:20:04,328 bump other comics, 485 00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:06,872 which would set the whole schedule off. 486 00:20:06,872 --> 00:20:10,042 Bumping is when there's a lineup for a show, 487 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:12,002 and everyone's got their time slots, 488 00:20:12,002 --> 00:20:14,380 and a more famous comedian comes in and he goes, 489 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,757 "I'm gonna go do 20 minutes right now." 490 00:20:16,757 --> 00:20:17,883 So you get bumped and 491 00:20:17,883 --> 00:20:19,510 you just have to sit there and wait. 492 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:23,931 Carlos Mencia was king of bumping comics. 493 00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:25,599 His set was 20 minutes, 494 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:27,768 and he would literally do 90 minutes... 495 00:20:27,768 --> 00:20:31,647 and so that blatant disrespect for your fellow 496 00:20:31,647 --> 00:20:35,985 comics of course turned him into this crazy villain. 497 00:20:35,985 --> 00:20:38,195 Six months after his appearance on Conan, 498 00:20:38,195 --> 00:20:40,489 the years of resentment towards Mencia 499 00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:43,242 come to a head at The Comedy Store. 500 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,703 [Indistinct shouting] 501 00:20:45,703 --> 00:20:48,330 This was one of the biggest scandals in comedy. 502 00:20:48,330 --> 00:20:50,958 I always just thought it was a matter of time. 503 00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:52,877 -That's bullshit, bullshit. -[Booing] 504 00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:54,837 'Cause he was always kind of a dick. 505 00:20:54,837 --> 00:20:57,590 ♪ 506 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:05,389 I will never forget being at The Comedy Store 507 00:21:05,389 --> 00:21:09,268 the night of February 10th, 2007. 508 00:21:09,268 --> 00:21:12,104 That night, Mitzi Shore does something unexpected. 509 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:15,399 She puts Mencia in the same lineup as Joe Rogan. 510 00:21:15,399 --> 00:21:17,276 [Laughing] There's a reason why guys 511 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,236 climb Mount Everest too... 512 00:21:19,236 --> 00:21:21,363 little dicks, that's it. 513 00:21:21,363 --> 00:21:25,284 Joe and Carlos were both beast comedians all up 514 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,953 in your face telling you how to live your life. 515 00:21:27,953 --> 00:21:31,540 But Joe and Carlos had a lot of animosity, 516 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,834 and a lot of vitriol towards each other. 517 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,711 Have you ever met somebody that stupid that you wish 518 00:21:35,711 --> 00:21:37,588 you had 1-800 number- come meet this 519 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:40,132 culero right now type of shit, you know? 520 00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:43,052 At the time, Carlos was way bigger than Joe. 521 00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:44,553 ---- that asshole. 522 00:21:44,553 --> 00:21:48,182 And Joe's a competitive dude, too. 523 00:21:48,182 --> 00:21:50,434 I'm in the original room watching him perform, 524 00:21:50,434 --> 00:21:52,645 'cause I'm supposed to go on after. 525 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:54,939 Between Rogan and Mencia's sets, 526 00:21:54,939 --> 00:21:57,691 another comedian, Kirk Fox, is on. 527 00:21:57,691 --> 00:22:00,528 Rogan introduces Fox as a writer for 528 00:22:00,528 --> 00:22:03,656 "Carlos Men-steal-ia's show". 529 00:22:03,656 --> 00:22:06,909 Fox is already on stage, and I went up on stage and 530 00:22:06,909 --> 00:22:10,663 grabbed the mic from him and said, "Hey Joe, 531 00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:13,123 what joke did I ever steal from you"? 532 00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:15,501 He invited him on stage because 533 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:17,503 he thought he was untouchable. 534 00:22:17,503 --> 00:22:19,588 Like, there's, "I'm so successful, 535 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:22,383 there's nothing you can do to me. 536 00:22:22,383 --> 00:22:24,260 Look at who I am." 537 00:22:24,260 --> 00:22:25,678 [Audience] Who are you?! 538 00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:27,555 I'm somebody important enough that he had to 539 00:22:27,555 --> 00:22:30,140 end the show by saying, Carlos Men-steal-ia. 540 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:31,767 I was talking with my friends, 541 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:33,060 and then we looked at each other, 542 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,144 and we were like, 543 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:38,274 "Oh my gosh, is that Joe Rogan and 544 00:22:38,274 --> 00:22:41,402 Carlos Mencia in the same room together"? 545 00:22:41,402 --> 00:22:44,280 Mother----er steals shit and make it on HBO! 546 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,615 Carlos had this muscle of 547 00:22:46,615 --> 00:22:48,742 being able to handle any crowd. 548 00:22:48,742 --> 00:22:51,996 So Joe Rogan is attacking him verbally, and Carlos 549 00:22:51,996 --> 00:22:54,623 is like, "Dude, I'm gonna embarrass this fool." 550 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:56,584 I think that every time you open your mouth, 551 00:22:56,584 --> 00:22:57,626 you talk about me. 552 00:22:57,626 --> 00:22:59,086 I think that you're secretly in love with me 553 00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:00,087 'cause you can't... 554 00:23:00,087 --> 00:23:02,381 I remember my heart beating 'cause I was like, 555 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:04,925 these two guys are now on this really 556 00:23:04,925 --> 00:23:08,429 small stage together, there's no security. 557 00:23:08,429 --> 00:23:10,514 What are you saying? 558 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:11,849 Listen, I know you guys... 559 00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:13,809 She's saying that you're acting like a little bitch. 560 00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:15,060 -No, she's not saying that. -Yes. 561 00:23:15,060 --> 00:23:16,228 They're agreeing with me mother----er. 562 00:23:16,228 --> 00:23:17,479 They're not agreeing with you! 563 00:23:17,479 --> 00:23:18,522 They don't even know... 564 00:23:18,522 --> 00:23:20,858 And then you got this battle of the wits, 565 00:23:20,858 --> 00:23:24,236 and testosterone, and it's a recipe for a disaster. 566 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,947 -They're jealous because- -No one's jealous of you! 567 00:23:26,947 --> 00:23:28,866 You can see Carlos getting frustrated and 568 00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:31,619 you can see Joe having that command. 569 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:33,954 [Applauding] 570 00:23:33,954 --> 00:23:38,083 And then to prove his point, he called up Ari Shaffir. 571 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:41,629 Now there's three guys on this tiny little OR stage, 572 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:44,882 trying to explain how Carlos 573 00:23:44,882 --> 00:23:47,551 is stealing other comedian's jokes. 574 00:23:47,551 --> 00:23:49,178 I opened for you and did that joke, 575 00:23:49,178 --> 00:23:51,055 in the rooms you performed in. 576 00:23:51,055 --> 00:23:52,514 [Audience] Oh! 577 00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:53,891 I was doing that joke before. 578 00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:55,934 -No, you weren't. -Yes, bro. 579 00:23:55,934 --> 00:23:58,687 The joke that spawned this whole thing was 580 00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:00,731 an Ari Shaffir joke, which he did on 581 00:24:00,731 --> 00:24:02,191 the Latino Laugh Festival, 582 00:24:02,191 --> 00:24:04,151 which I was the audience warmup for. 583 00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:05,152 Here's this new thing, I don't know if 584 00:24:05,152 --> 00:24:06,153 you guys heard this... 585 00:24:06,153 --> 00:24:07,529 he wants to build a new wall all down 586 00:24:07,529 --> 00:24:09,156 the California Mexico border. 587 00:24:09,156 --> 00:24:10,991 Like a 12 foot high brick wall, 588 00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:13,994 it's like three feet deep, so no Mexicans get in. 589 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:16,205 But I'm like, dude, Arnold, um... 590 00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:17,956 who do you think is gonna build that wall? 591 00:24:17,956 --> 00:24:20,084 I propose that we kick all the illegal aliens 592 00:24:20,084 --> 00:24:21,877 out of this country. 593 00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:25,798 Then we build a super fence so they can't get back in. 594 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:29,218 And I went, um... who's gonna build it? 595 00:24:29,218 --> 00:24:30,803 [Laughing] 596 00:24:30,803 --> 00:24:33,472 That joke is such low hanging fruit that 597 00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:36,684 literally, I did it, Lopez did it, 598 00:24:36,684 --> 00:24:39,144 Rodriguez did it, Miller did it. 599 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:42,147 I believe eight other people had that joke. 600 00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:44,233 That's one of those jokes I don't think anyone stole, 601 00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:45,401 I think it's parallel thinking, 602 00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:48,987 especially here in LA where it's very Mexican heavy. 603 00:24:48,987 --> 00:24:50,155 I don't believe that. 604 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:52,491 Just looking at the two jokes, 605 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,285 my gut says he stole that joke. 606 00:24:55,285 --> 00:24:56,537 Do you really think that a Jewish guy 607 00:24:56,537 --> 00:24:57,705 came up with that joke- 608 00:24:57,705 --> 00:24:59,498 [Indistinct speaking & audience shouting] 609 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,376 There were people in the room cheering and 610 00:25:02,376 --> 00:25:06,005 we were happy that someone actually stood up for us. 611 00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:08,507 -Why would it matter to you? -Why the ---- would it matter? 612 00:25:08,507 --> 00:25:10,092 You're stealing other people's shit. 613 00:25:10,092 --> 00:25:13,095 Why would it matter to you? 614 00:25:13,095 --> 00:25:15,389 At the end of the night everyone goes home. 615 00:25:15,389 --> 00:25:17,850 For Mencia that seems to be the end of it. 616 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,768 I was under the assumption that we're addressing stuff 617 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:21,687 the way we address stuff as comedians... 618 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:23,230 Right? Between us. 619 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:26,483 What I remember is him saying, 620 00:25:26,483 --> 00:25:30,070 "Wake up, something happened. 621 00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:32,031 I don't think it's good." 622 00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:37,036 I don't think Carlos Mencia appreciated or understood 623 00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:40,998 the power of celebrity that Joe Rogan had. 624 00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:43,667 The next day, a video of the confrontation is posted on 625 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,712 Rogan's YouTube channel and quickly goes viral. 626 00:25:46,712 --> 00:25:49,590 Everything is about to change. 627 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:51,425 That was the birth of that whole thing, 628 00:25:51,425 --> 00:25:55,679 where you could become popular through social media. 629 00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:58,307 And it worked beautiful for Joe, 630 00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:01,935 and obviously horrible against Carlos. 631 00:26:01,935 --> 00:26:03,520 What Joe Rogan did that night 632 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,982 was what a lot of comedians wanted to do 633 00:26:06,982 --> 00:26:10,360 but didn't have the cachet to be able to do it. 634 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,113 Joe wanted to educate people on 635 00:26:13,113 --> 00:26:16,200 who Carlos Mencia really is. 636 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,079 I don't think that Joe's intentions were 100% 637 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:24,082 altruistic, but Carlos was taking jokes. 638 00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:28,170 And unfortunately, I don't think any of us knew that 639 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:32,174 it would become the demise of Carlos Mencia. 640 00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:35,094 ♪ 641 00:26:39,223 --> 00:26:40,974 And now in honour of Carlos, 642 00:26:40,974 --> 00:26:43,685 we're stealing a joke from Joe Rogan. 643 00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:48,607 Carlos Mencia? More like Carlos Men-steal-ia. 644 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,484 Boom! 645 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,028 Virtually overnight, Mencia goes from being 646 00:26:53,028 --> 00:26:55,697 one of the country's most celebrated comedians... 647 00:26:55,697 --> 00:26:58,867 What's up, everybody? 648 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:01,245 To one of its most despised. 649 00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:03,413 Carlos Mencia became the 650 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:05,624 poster child for joke stealing. 651 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,962 Carlos had become this ugly evil spirit in comedy. 652 00:27:09,962 --> 00:27:12,798 His oxymoronical show, 'The Mind of Mencia', 653 00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:15,759 is a veritable bomb factory where Ned's unfunny jokes 654 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,678 detonated America's face. 655 00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:19,513 I just kind of remember him 656 00:27:19,513 --> 00:27:22,015 just disappearing from the scene. 657 00:27:22,015 --> 00:27:24,601 It's kind of surprising because 658 00:27:24,601 --> 00:27:26,728 people can come back. 659 00:27:26,728 --> 00:27:28,939 As we've seen time after time, 660 00:27:28,939 --> 00:27:33,026 there are many male comedians coming back from 661 00:27:33,026 --> 00:27:35,904 assaults or allegations, 662 00:27:35,904 --> 00:27:38,282 and someone like Carlos, 663 00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:42,286 especially appealing to the Latino community, 664 00:27:42,286 --> 00:27:46,540 that there would still be that, that loyalty. 665 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:49,126 In the two years following Rogan's viral video, 666 00:27:49,126 --> 00:27:51,461 Mind of Mencia is canceled. 667 00:27:51,461 --> 00:27:54,339 And Carlos Mencia gets blacklisted. 668 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:56,466 I have no idea why it was me. 669 00:27:56,466 --> 00:28:00,179 I've been asking that question a million times. 670 00:28:00,179 --> 00:28:02,431 What I heard in my head was, 671 00:28:02,431 --> 00:28:05,475 "If one person thinks you're a dick, whatever. 672 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:09,188 If everybody thinks you're a dick, dude, 673 00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:11,440 you need to have some self-reflection." 674 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,483 And that's where I started. 675 00:28:13,483 --> 00:28:15,569 ♪ 676 00:28:15,569 --> 00:28:17,029 I talked to somebody recently and I said to him, 677 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:20,032 "Hey man, did I ever do anything to really hurt you"? 678 00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:22,409 And he said, "Do you remember that night 679 00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:23,785 that I got a standing ovation"? 680 00:28:23,785 --> 00:28:24,912 I go, "I was there, man. 681 00:28:24,912 --> 00:28:26,788 That was your first standing ovation ever." 682 00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:28,874 He goes, "Do you remember what you said to me 683 00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,543 when I got off stage"? Yeah. I said, 684 00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:34,046 "Man, one day you're gonna be really funny." 685 00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,089 And I laughed. 686 00:28:36,089 --> 00:28:37,758 And I looked at his face and... 687 00:28:37,758 --> 00:28:40,761 there's nothing funny about it. 688 00:28:40,761 --> 00:28:43,639 He said, "You're my mentor. 689 00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:45,390 You were the guy I looked up to. 690 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:47,768 You were the guy I wanted to be like. 691 00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:51,063 And you just took a big shit on that moment." 692 00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:55,359 And I went, "Oh Jesus. Oh my God." 693 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,695 In talking to other comics I did similar things, 694 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,489 like going on long. 695 00:29:00,489 --> 00:29:03,617 On the comedy club circuit, there's a lineup. 696 00:29:03,617 --> 00:29:05,702 And if a celebrity walks in and 697 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:09,039 decides to go on, they bump. 698 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,832 If they do five minutes, they don't care. 699 00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:13,001 But some of these guys will do two hours. 700 00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:14,419 That means they have bumped the 701 00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:17,589 next 12 comics, and they are angry. 702 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,841 As a comedian at The Comedy Store, 703 00:29:19,841 --> 00:29:21,843 whenever a celebrity showed up, 704 00:29:21,843 --> 00:29:23,720 they got to go on. 705 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,306 Well, by the time Mind of Mencia came around, 706 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:29,059 and then I got to be that guy, 707 00:29:29,059 --> 00:29:30,769 the rules have changed. 708 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:33,230 You gotta call in and get a spot. 709 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:35,023 You can't just run the light. 710 00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:36,984 And for me it was like, what? 711 00:29:36,984 --> 00:29:38,026 No, no, no, no, no, no. 712 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:41,446 You cannot do that to me, and then I have to... 713 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:44,992 No way. Nm-mm! I'm doing it. 714 00:29:44,992 --> 00:29:47,119 I paid my dues. 715 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,205 But you know when John Caparulo's mom flew in, 716 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:53,625 and I went on long, and half the audience left after me, 717 00:29:53,625 --> 00:29:56,295 and first time she ever saw him perform live was 718 00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:58,005 in front of a half audience. 719 00:29:58,005 --> 00:29:59,881 I could see why that guy's mad. 720 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:01,466 I get it. 721 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:02,718 Some people point out that 722 00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:05,095 Mencia's behaviour wasn't unique. 723 00:30:05,095 --> 00:30:06,680 When I started back in New York, you know, 724 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,224 how many times did Chris Rock come in and bump us? 725 00:30:09,224 --> 00:30:10,767 Dave Chappelle would come in and the 726 00:30:10,767 --> 00:30:12,311 club would be like, "You want to go home? 727 00:30:12,311 --> 00:30:13,729 'Cause he's gonna be up there for like two hours." 728 00:30:13,729 --> 00:30:15,397 And you'd be like, "Sure, I'll take my pay and 729 00:30:15,397 --> 00:30:16,440 I'm out of here." 730 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,069 Every comedian that's on top bumps comics. 731 00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:22,529 I don't care who it is. 732 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,240 There isn't a comic out there that didn't want to 733 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,993 run the light and do as much time as they could. 734 00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,662 But Carlos Mencia's reputation was 735 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:32,664 he only cared about himself. 736 00:30:32,664 --> 00:30:35,334 And the truth is, he helped a lot of comics, 737 00:30:35,334 --> 00:30:37,169 but people don't talk about that because 738 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,504 all they remember was that he ran the light. 739 00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:42,007 By 2010, Mencia's reputation as a bully and 740 00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:44,176 a thief has gone mainstream, 741 00:30:44,176 --> 00:30:46,803 even making an appearance on South Park. 742 00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:49,473 Recently, we've all come to know the fish sticks joke is 743 00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:51,892 probably the funniest most awesome joke ever. 744 00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,477 So in the South Park episode, 745 00:30:53,477 --> 00:30:56,730 Kanye West says he loves fish sticks, 746 00:30:56,730 --> 00:30:59,399 and then they call him a gay fish. 747 00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:01,401 [Laughing] 748 00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:02,944 No, I'm not! Agh! 749 00:31:02,944 --> 00:31:04,738 He doesn't understand the joke and the more he says it, 750 00:31:04,738 --> 00:31:06,698 it just sounds like he's saying fish dicks. 751 00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:09,117 And then they tried to find who originated this joke. 752 00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:10,869 Joining us tonight, the brains behind 753 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,412 the incredible fish sticks joke, 754 00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:14,623 the one and only Carlos Mencia. 755 00:31:14,623 --> 00:31:16,208 [Cheering] 756 00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:18,376 Yeah! Viva la Mexico! 757 00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:21,588 When Kanye confronts Carlos, he finally admits. 758 00:31:21,588 --> 00:31:23,048 Hey, look, it wasn't me. 759 00:31:23,048 --> 00:31:25,550 I didn't really start the fish stick thing, alright? 760 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:28,095 You just saying that now 'cause you're scared. 761 00:31:28,095 --> 00:31:30,931 No, man, it's true. I stole it, man. 762 00:31:30,931 --> 00:31:33,892 I took credit for it 'cause I'm not actually funny. 763 00:31:33,892 --> 00:31:35,894 I just take jokes and repackage them 764 00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:38,647 with a Mexican accent, man! 765 00:31:38,647 --> 00:31:41,024 Mencia takes the parody in stride, 766 00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:43,402 posting his compliments on Twitter. 767 00:31:43,402 --> 00:31:45,737 But he can't run from the public reputation 768 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:47,906 cemented in this episode. 769 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,826 Carlos Mencia was stealing 770 00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:54,830 a lot of material and he finally got caught, 771 00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:57,416 and now he's suffering the consequences. 772 00:31:57,416 --> 00:32:00,210 I couldn't get on ABC. I couldn't get on NBC. 773 00:32:00,210 --> 00:32:02,295 I couldn't get on HBO. 774 00:32:02,295 --> 00:32:06,633 I have lost millions of dollars because of this. 775 00:32:06,633 --> 00:32:09,344 I've had producers come up to me and tell me, 776 00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:12,806 "I didn't put you on a project and I just want to be 777 00:32:12,806 --> 00:32:15,100 upfront with you and tell you I'm so sorry." 778 00:32:15,100 --> 00:32:17,144 I know that it cost me that. 779 00:32:17,144 --> 00:32:20,856 I saw what he went through. 780 00:32:20,856 --> 00:32:23,859 Those were really dark times for him. 781 00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:26,403 ♪ 782 00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,202 ♪ 783 00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:36,455 When his comedy career all but flames out, 784 00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:39,374 Carlos Mencia hits rock bottom. 785 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:43,712 To be reduced and diminished 786 00:32:43,712 --> 00:32:45,755 by one sentence. 787 00:32:45,755 --> 00:32:49,843 Whose jokes did he steal? Whose jokes did he tell? 788 00:32:49,843 --> 00:32:53,054 It was devastating. 789 00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:55,015 Sometimes when bad stuff happened, 790 00:32:55,015 --> 00:32:56,308 he'd be like, "It is what it is. 791 00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,226 It happens, it's cool. We'll get over it." 792 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:00,145 But this was something different. 793 00:33:00,145 --> 00:33:05,108 You know he was really down, really depressed. 794 00:33:05,108 --> 00:33:08,945 I started to drink, I did drugs, 795 00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:11,490 and at my darkest hours, 796 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:14,409 there were moments of, 797 00:33:14,409 --> 00:33:16,620 you know, ending it. 798 00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:20,290 Just... be gone. 799 00:33:20,290 --> 00:33:22,459 You know, if the comedy world doesn't 800 00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:25,545 appreciate me, then why should I love it? 801 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:26,713 Let me just quit. 802 00:33:26,713 --> 00:33:29,132 ---- it, let me just kill myself. 803 00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:34,262 I absolutely was concerned. 804 00:33:34,262 --> 00:33:36,431 Concerned with his 805 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:41,353 mental health and his wellbeing. 806 00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:43,396 She married a man that was sober, completely, 807 00:33:43,396 --> 00:33:47,192 100%, and she ended up with a, 808 00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:51,738 with a man that was broken, that was fragile. 809 00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:53,782 It's only with his wife Amy's support that 810 00:33:53,782 --> 00:33:56,868 Mencia avoids spiralling out of control. 811 00:33:56,868 --> 00:34:00,789 She never allowed me to go to that place. 812 00:34:00,789 --> 00:34:02,707 After a lot of self-reflection, 813 00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:04,834 Mencia tries to redeem himself and 814 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,836 attempts a comeback. 815 00:34:06,836 --> 00:34:09,381 Listen to me, and look at me when I tell you this. 816 00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:13,426 With all honesty, if you think that I steal jokes, 817 00:34:13,426 --> 00:34:14,803 ---- yeah, you're right. 818 00:34:14,803 --> 00:34:16,221 Of course I ----ing steal jokes. 819 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:18,056 Are you out of your ----ing mind? 820 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:20,725 In the 2010 documentary, 'I Am Comic', 821 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:24,312 Carlos Mencia satirizes his notoriety. 822 00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,939 When I come to a comedy club, 823 00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:27,315 you better run, bitch. 824 00:34:27,315 --> 00:34:29,067 You better get the ---- off stage. 825 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:31,820 'Cause if anything you say is even remotely funny, 826 00:34:31,820 --> 00:34:33,488 I'm gonna make it mine. 827 00:34:33,488 --> 00:34:36,241 And all I'm gonna do is say Mexican in the front. 828 00:34:36,241 --> 00:34:38,702 Despite trying to put his reputation of stealing 829 00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:41,246 behind him, videos of Mencia doing 830 00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:43,456 other comedian's jokes keep popping up. 831 00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:45,458 Hey, put on channel five. 832 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:46,876 [Laughing] 833 00:34:46,876 --> 00:34:48,503 "What do you want?" "Change the channel." 834 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,213 "Ah!" 835 00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:53,133 But as with the wall joke, not everyone believes the 836 00:34:53,133 --> 00:34:56,886 issue is as clear cut as YouTube edits make it seem. 837 00:34:56,886 --> 00:34:58,888 That's another thing about these jokes that people 838 00:34:58,888 --> 00:35:02,058 claim to be their own, or that they have ownership, 839 00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:04,019 it's a lot of stock jokes. 840 00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:08,523 So, I mean, a stock joke is a joke that is- 841 00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:11,776 Can be, can be delivered by anybody, 842 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:15,572 and it is a very generic concept that 843 00:35:15,572 --> 00:35:17,782 everybody has a take on, right? 844 00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:19,576 You listen to all these great comics, 845 00:35:19,576 --> 00:35:21,244 and we all agree. 846 00:35:21,244 --> 00:35:23,913 We've all been inspired by comics, and we think, 847 00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:25,415 "Why isn't he saying it like this? 848 00:35:25,415 --> 00:35:26,458 He shouldn't say it like that, 849 00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:27,625 he should say it like this." 850 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:28,918 And then you say it the way he thinks, 851 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:30,128 you think he should do it, 852 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,880 and now it kills, and now you feel like, 853 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,215 "Dude, I did that and now this is mine." 854 00:35:34,215 --> 00:35:37,427 So the tables are always kind of grey. 855 00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:39,346 It's like, you know, am I stealing this bit 856 00:35:39,346 --> 00:35:41,389 or am I inspired by this bit? 857 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,475 But there's one joke that Carlos used to tell that is 858 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:47,604 almost identical to a classic Bill Cosby bit. 859 00:35:47,604 --> 00:35:49,272 Two years old, you say, "Get down, 860 00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:51,024 Dad'll show you how to do it. 861 00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:52,942 Now you come at me, run through me... 862 00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:54,903 there, see? Get back up, get back up." 863 00:35:54,903 --> 00:35:56,446 He shows this little kid everything that he needs 864 00:35:56,446 --> 00:35:58,031 to know about how to be a great quarterback. 865 00:35:58,031 --> 00:35:59,824 He even moves from one city to the other so that kid 866 00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:01,034 could be in a better high school. 867 00:36:01,034 --> 00:36:02,410 High school touchdown! 868 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,079 800 touchdowns per game. 869 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,123 "Yes, that's my son," and he goes to the big college! 870 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:08,375 And he's in college getting better. 871 00:36:08,375 --> 00:36:09,584 He wins a Heisman trophy. 872 00:36:09,584 --> 00:36:11,419 He ends up in the NFL. 873 00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:13,463 Five years later, he ends up in the Super Bowl. 874 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:16,049 For a TV and turnaround and the camera's on him and 875 00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:18,134 you are looking, and he says, "Hi, Mom." 876 00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:21,388 "I love you, Mom." [Screaming] Ah! 877 00:36:21,388 --> 00:36:24,349 Carlos claims he never saw the Bill Cosby routine, 878 00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:27,435 and there's no way Carlos could not have seen it. 879 00:36:27,435 --> 00:36:30,230 It was almost exact. 880 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:32,899 Bill Cosby doesn't take action against Mencia, 881 00:36:32,899 --> 00:36:34,818 but he does join the conversation about 882 00:36:34,818 --> 00:36:38,988 joke stealing that started with Rogan's video. 883 00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:41,324 They all steal. 884 00:36:41,324 --> 00:36:44,160 And they're a liar if they tell you any different. 885 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,537 If you care about stealing jokes, 886 00:36:45,537 --> 00:36:46,871 you're not a good comedian. 887 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,749 'Cause every comedian has stole a joke. 888 00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:52,085 Robin Williams, he was notorious for stealing jokes. 889 00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:54,295 He was never outcasted, he was never 890 00:36:54,295 --> 00:36:56,005 scrutinized by the comedy community. 891 00:36:56,005 --> 00:37:00,135 So I do believe Carlos did get the raw end of the deal. 892 00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:02,137 Some of Mencia's contemporaries wonder 893 00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:03,972 if he would've been treated the same way 894 00:37:03,972 --> 00:37:06,307 had he been a white comic. 895 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:09,686 I believe it was easier to pick on Carlos because, 896 00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:11,271 what, the number of Latino comedians... 897 00:37:11,271 --> 00:37:13,440 there's only like, what? Four? 898 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,816 At the time. 899 00:37:14,816 --> 00:37:16,276 I mean, there was a lot of Black comedians, 900 00:37:16,276 --> 00:37:17,819 a lot of white comedians that steal. 901 00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:19,988 Of course there was a racial component to it. 902 00:37:19,988 --> 00:37:22,699 It doesn't matter if his name is Ned Silverman, 903 00:37:22,699 --> 00:37:24,701 he still looks brown, 904 00:37:24,701 --> 00:37:26,828 and if ICE comes through here, 905 00:37:26,828 --> 00:37:29,080 they're probably going to ask him for his papers. 906 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,125 Mencia admits to bumping, but he's adamant 907 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:33,835 he never stole jokes. 908 00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:39,132 Carlos Mencia's biggest 'F' up is that his ego 909 00:37:39,132 --> 00:37:41,676 won't let him own 910 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:44,554 what he actually, really did. 911 00:37:44,554 --> 00:37:46,264 And to me it's sad because 912 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:49,058 I know he's gotten the opportunity. 913 00:37:49,058 --> 00:37:53,480 Ned, why not do in the beginning 914 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,440 just a blanket apology? 915 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,525 If I apologize, then I'm saying, 916 00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:59,944 "Yeah, I sat around the back of comedy clubs 917 00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:01,863 taking their stuff." Never happened. 918 00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:03,698 Never happened. 919 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:06,034 ♪ 920 00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:12,499 So how are you feeling now with the controversy 921 00:38:12,499 --> 00:38:15,335 that had happened a decade ago? 922 00:38:15,335 --> 00:38:19,839 I realized, like, my absence from the internet in 923 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,342 all those years allowed a narrative to be created 924 00:38:22,342 --> 00:38:24,010 that will never change. 925 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:27,514 In 2021, Bobby Lee hosts Mencia on his podcast, 926 00:38:27,514 --> 00:38:30,767 'Tiger Belly', to give his long-time friend and mentor 927 00:38:30,767 --> 00:38:34,229 a chance to make amends with the comedy world. 928 00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:36,606 Bobby Lee had left the door open for him to say, 929 00:38:36,606 --> 00:38:38,775 "Okay, I did it. I did it." And I was watching that. 930 00:38:38,775 --> 00:38:40,985 I was like, "Come on, Carlos, say it, bro. 931 00:38:40,985 --> 00:38:42,570 Say it"! 932 00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:44,948 I've seen some of your act, you know, I mean, 933 00:38:44,948 --> 00:38:47,659 a little too close to things that have 934 00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,577 already been established. 935 00:38:49,577 --> 00:38:53,623 Why not just outwardly say, "I apologize." 936 00:38:53,623 --> 00:38:55,500 And then we could just move on from it 937 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,002 rather than you constantly defending. 938 00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,254 But it's not that I'm defending. 939 00:38:59,254 --> 00:39:01,422 See, again... it's not that I'm defending, 940 00:39:01,422 --> 00:39:03,633 I just, who do I apologize to? 941 00:39:03,633 --> 00:39:06,135 It's hard to be accountable, but to say, 942 00:39:06,135 --> 00:39:08,471 "Hey, I'm sorry. I ----ed up." 943 00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:10,390 Everybody would just say, "We move on." 944 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:12,058 Dude, you didn't commit murder. 945 00:39:12,058 --> 00:39:15,395 You just ----ing stole some jokes. 946 00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:18,356 What would make somebody not admit 947 00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:21,526 to taking the joke is very interesting. 948 00:39:21,526 --> 00:39:24,779 I think it's preservation and a fear because 949 00:39:24,779 --> 00:39:26,906 you don't want to be taken down. 950 00:39:26,906 --> 00:39:28,700 After the heights of fame he reached, 951 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,327 it's easy to forget how unlikely Carlos Mencia's 952 00:39:31,327 --> 00:39:36,332 success as a comic was to begin with. 953 00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:39,210 When you're young and you are told, 954 00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:42,422 "You're not gonna make it, what are you doing"? 955 00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:45,049 You begin to get a chip on your shoulder, 956 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,552 and you have to, I had to. 957 00:39:47,552 --> 00:39:50,179 Because there's no way that I could go on stage with 958 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:54,142 all that weight of, "You're not gonna make it." 959 00:39:54,142 --> 00:39:57,770 I think what made Carlos have that negative energy 960 00:39:57,770 --> 00:40:00,023 is coming from poverty. 961 00:40:00,023 --> 00:40:01,774 When you're a kid and you're hungry, 962 00:40:01,774 --> 00:40:04,277 that's what makes you fight. 963 00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:06,988 He's developed that mean ass character 'cause 964 00:40:06,988 --> 00:40:09,741 he's fighting for little Carlos, little hungry Carlos. 965 00:40:09,741 --> 00:40:12,493 ♪ 966 00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:14,412 I grew up in the projects. 967 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,623 If somebody there said to me, "Hey homes, 968 00:40:16,623 --> 00:40:19,500 where you from"? 969 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,670 The answer might get us into a fight, 970 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,965 might get us shot, might get us stabbed. 971 00:40:25,965 --> 00:40:29,594 And so, I... 972 00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:32,639 put on this demeanour of, 973 00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,892 "Don't talk to me, and if we do, 974 00:40:35,892 --> 00:40:38,853 let's kill each other." That kind of an attitude. 975 00:40:38,853 --> 00:40:43,191 I think on some level, if he apologizes, it's like, 976 00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:46,486 "I should have never stayed with my family. 977 00:40:46,486 --> 00:40:49,072 It's justified that they gave me away, it's justified. 978 00:40:49,072 --> 00:40:50,948 I don't belong to anyone." You know, 979 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:53,993 "There's something wrong with me, ultimately." 980 00:40:53,993 --> 00:40:56,829 And he doesn't get that if he apologizes 981 00:40:56,829 --> 00:40:59,415 the world now opens up for him. 982 00:40:59,415 --> 00:41:01,960 He's a human being, 983 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,463 and human beings make mistakes. 984 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,841 We just want you to own up to them. 985 00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:11,552 I was driven by my competitive nature as 986 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:15,431 a human being, but it was never personal. 987 00:41:15,431 --> 00:41:16,974 And yet I look back and go, 988 00:41:16,974 --> 00:41:19,978 "I wish I was different. 989 00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,896 I wish I could have seen it. 990 00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,731 I wish I could have understood it." 991 00:41:23,731 --> 00:41:25,233 But I didn't. 992 00:41:25,233 --> 00:41:27,694 But in the years since Mencia's peak, 993 00:41:27,694 --> 00:41:30,738 his legacy of stealing jokes has largely eclipsed 994 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,616 the main reasons for his success. 995 00:41:33,616 --> 00:41:36,077 Stealing people's jokes doesn't necessarily 996 00:41:36,077 --> 00:41:39,497 negate that he's an amazing comedian. 997 00:41:39,497 --> 00:41:42,667 You cannot destroy the room with a 998 00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,627 bunch of other people's material. 999 00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:47,213 He got to that level in spite of the fact that 1000 00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,632 he may have taken people's stuff. 1001 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:52,260 One thing about the narrative of today 1002 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:56,514 that really bothers me is the assumption 1003 00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:59,142 that I take so much from comedy. 1004 00:41:59,142 --> 00:42:03,104 He's a guy who in LA, you know, 1005 00:42:03,104 --> 00:42:05,398 broke into The Comedy Store and opened the doors for 1006 00:42:05,398 --> 00:42:07,692 other comics to be able to come in and 1007 00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:09,944 be seen as mainstream. 1008 00:42:09,944 --> 00:42:13,406 You know, guys that do real crimes, you know, 1009 00:42:13,406 --> 00:42:15,575 don't get put away for 15 years. 1010 00:42:15,575 --> 00:42:18,661 So to me, the punishment had to fit the crime. 1011 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,664 You don't see him in the major cities like 1012 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:22,999 LA and New York comedy clubs. 1013 00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:25,126 He's, he's banned. 1014 00:42:25,126 --> 00:42:29,130 He's fallen from grace of doing theatres and arenas 1015 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,675 to being down to, you know, B, C level clubs 1016 00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:35,678 trying to make a living. 1017 00:42:35,678 --> 00:42:39,682 Sometimes, in a dream world, 1018 00:42:39,682 --> 00:42:45,146 I wish I could fake my own death. 1019 00:42:45,146 --> 00:42:47,982 I wish that I was at The Comedy Store, 1020 00:42:47,982 --> 00:42:51,861 watching people talk about the effect that I had on them 1021 00:42:51,861 --> 00:42:54,947 the day that I pass away, because on that day, 1022 00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:59,285 they'll tell some truths that they have never told before. 1023 00:42:59,285 --> 00:43:01,704 It's taken me 10 years to deal 1024 00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:04,665 with the negativity and have it not affect me 1025 00:43:04,665 --> 00:43:09,545 in a way that it did on that night. 1026 00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:12,089 It took me... 1027 00:43:12,089 --> 00:43:17,470 not selling out shows to go, "Wait a minute, 1028 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:20,681 am I gonna give importance to the empty seats? 1029 00:43:20,681 --> 00:43:22,141 Or am I gonna give importance to those 1030 00:43:22,141 --> 00:43:24,727 that took the time to be here?" 1031 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,647 And that's when everything began to change 1032 00:43:27,647 --> 00:43:29,816 comedically on stage for me. 1033 00:43:29,816 --> 00:43:32,985 That's when I began to form 1034 00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,571 this new person that 1035 00:43:35,571 --> 00:43:38,491 sees the beauty in it, that sees the joy in it, 1036 00:43:38,491 --> 00:43:41,035 that not selling out a show doesn't mean 1037 00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:44,247 I'm not successful or anything. 1038 00:43:44,247 --> 00:43:47,625 When he had success it came too fast, 1039 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:51,587 and I think he's paying for his behaviour now, 1040 00:43:51,587 --> 00:43:54,465 but he's staying in the game. 1041 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:57,885 You're never out 'til you decide you're out. 1042 00:43:57,885 --> 00:44:00,054 That's my feeling about Carlos. 1043 00:44:00,054 --> 00:44:02,348 He's still in the game, man.