1 00:00:01,392 --> 00:00:03,307 Previously on Women Who Rock... 2 00:00:03,437 --> 00:00:05,309 [Sheila E] To be on MTV was everything, 3 00:00:05,439 --> 00:00:06,484 and it meant that you made it 4 00:00:06,614 --> 00:00:08,616 if you were able to get on MTV. 5 00:00:08,747 --> 00:00:09,617 [Natalie Merchant] These video shoots 6 00:00:09,748 --> 00:00:10,792 would take one day, 7 00:00:10,923 --> 00:00:13,360 cost $400,000 to $800,000, 8 00:00:13,491 --> 00:00:15,188 and then you'd find out that you were responsible. 9 00:00:15,319 --> 00:00:17,147 It was recoupable against your royalties. 10 00:00:17,277 --> 00:00:18,887 [Danyel Smith] In the late '80s, 11 00:00:19,018 --> 00:00:21,107 Black music was just coming into its own, 12 00:00:21,238 --> 00:00:24,284 and hip-hop was just becoming what it was going to be. 13 00:00:24,415 --> 00:00:26,112 [Sheryl Crow] I wanted to be taken seriously, 14 00:00:26,243 --> 00:00:28,723 like the artists that I had absolutely loved and adored... 15 00:00:28,854 --> 00:00:32,727 all these incredible women who made music 16 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:34,947 that paved the way for me to do what I was doing. 17 00:00:35,078 --> 00:00:37,906 [Pat Benatar] I wanted to break the boys' club, 18 00:00:38,037 --> 00:00:39,908 my way, my terms. 19 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,911 I'm showing you my body 'cause I want to. 20 00:00:43,042 --> 00:00:45,958 [Nancy Wilson] The Riot Grrrls were unfollowing the rules. 21 00:00:46,089 --> 00:00:50,658 They were going for the raw energy of rock itself. 22 00:00:50,789 --> 00:00:53,574 They were taking it in a political direction, 23 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:56,229 which was, by this time, I think, necessary. 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,623 [Tori Amos] I didn't listen to that lesson 25 00:00:58,753 --> 00:01:00,581 that Rickie Lee was trying to tell us all, 26 00:01:00,712 --> 00:01:02,931 that if you're you, and you're unique, 27 00:01:03,062 --> 00:01:04,411 there is a place for you. 28 00:01:06,196 --> 00:01:07,197 [amplifier feedback] 29 00:01:09,634 --> 00:01:16,293 [electric guitar strum] 30 00:01:16,423 --> 00:01:17,729 [St. Vincent] Growing up, 31 00:01:17,859 --> 00:01:20,732 when I discovered these incredible women 32 00:01:20,862 --> 00:01:23,213 making rock music, 33 00:01:23,343 --> 00:01:25,215 I mean, that's, like-- that's the dream. 34 00:01:27,652 --> 00:01:28,957 People would be like, "Whoa, 35 00:01:29,088 --> 00:01:30,742 look at that little gal with that big guitar," 36 00:01:30,872 --> 00:01:33,266 like a novelty. 37 00:01:33,397 --> 00:01:35,616 [Benatar] I wanted to break the boys' club. 38 00:01:35,747 --> 00:01:39,968 I wanted to break down that bullshit. 39 00:01:40,099 --> 00:01:41,927 [Khan] I said, "Let me tell you something. 40 00:01:42,057 --> 00:01:45,800 I'm going to be a star with or without you." 41 00:01:47,106 --> 00:01:48,151 [Jett] Growing up, I thought, 42 00:01:48,281 --> 00:01:49,195 "There's gotta be other girls 43 00:01:49,326 --> 00:01:51,328 that wanna play rock 'n' roll. 44 00:01:51,458 --> 00:01:52,981 I can't be the only one." 45 00:01:53,112 --> 00:01:54,505 [Twain] There's something very liberating 46 00:01:54,635 --> 00:01:59,727 about being able to take on a rock 'n' roll attitude 47 00:01:59,858 --> 00:02:02,730 and not have to abandon your femininity at the same time. 48 00:02:02,861 --> 00:02:05,690 [Crow] There were lots of obstacles along the way for me, 49 00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:07,387 but I knew the only person that could drive my ship 50 00:02:07,518 --> 00:02:09,868 that I felt I could trust was me. 51 00:02:09,998 --> 00:02:11,783 [Staples] I'm not a diva. 52 00:02:11,913 --> 00:02:13,872 I love people. I'm a people person. 53 00:02:14,002 --> 00:02:15,787 I'm just Mavis. 54 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:17,049 Just Mavis. 55 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:18,485 Yep. 56 00:02:24,796 --> 00:02:31,933 ♪♪♪ 57 00:02:41,116 --> 00:02:43,162 [laughs] 58 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:46,034 So many things, just even looking at the cover. 59 00:02:46,165 --> 00:02:47,253 It's fun now to look back 60 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:49,821 and think about all this, 61 00:02:49,951 --> 00:02:52,171 how deliberate it was. 62 00:02:52,302 --> 00:02:54,695 This whole album, "Come On Over," 63 00:02:54,826 --> 00:02:57,394 I was really still only finding myself. 64 00:02:57,524 --> 00:02:59,352 It was a lot of fun recording this album, 65 00:03:00,614 --> 00:03:03,400 a lot of fun and a lot of laughs. 66 00:03:13,671 --> 00:03:14,280 [Shania Twain's "Man! I Feel Like A Woman" plays] 67 00:03:14,411 --> 00:03:15,934 [laughs] 68 00:03:16,064 --> 00:03:17,327 ♪ Let's go, girls 69 00:03:17,457 --> 00:03:20,243 Shania writes a fucking banger. 70 00:03:20,373 --> 00:03:22,070 ♪ Come on 71 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:25,813 Shania Twain, I love seeing powerful women. 72 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:29,469 I love seeing females that just stick to their guns. 73 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,819 [Sheryl Crow] Shania to me embodied 74 00:03:31,950 --> 00:03:34,779 the ability to not only write a great song, 75 00:03:34,909 --> 00:03:36,259 but to write a song that could 76 00:03:36,389 --> 00:03:38,130 live in its own space. 77 00:03:38,261 --> 00:03:39,958 She could be at pop radio, 78 00:03:40,088 --> 00:03:41,307 or she could be at country radio, 79 00:03:41,438 --> 00:03:42,743 and it didn't really matter. 80 00:03:42,874 --> 00:03:44,484 She sort of brought everything together. 81 00:03:44,615 --> 00:03:48,575 ♪ The best thing about being a woman ♪ 82 00:03:48,706 --> 00:03:51,796 ♪ Is the prerogative to have a little fun ♪ 83 00:03:51,926 --> 00:03:53,319 [Bethany Cosentino] She writes the hookiest, 84 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:54,277 catchiest melodies. 85 00:03:54,407 --> 00:03:55,713 You hear that song, 86 00:03:55,843 --> 00:03:57,105 and you can't get it out of your head, 87 00:03:57,236 --> 00:03:59,064 and that's a good songwriter. 88 00:03:59,194 --> 00:04:01,109 When you hear a song like "Man! I Feel Like A Woman," 89 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,981 it's like, "Yeah, 90 00:04:03,111 --> 00:04:05,984 they call her the queen of pop country for a reason." 91 00:04:06,114 --> 00:04:07,290 She's just a badass. 92 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:09,988 ♪ Man, I feel like a woman 93 00:04:10,858 --> 00:04:13,165 ♪ I feel like a woman! ♪♪♪ 94 00:04:14,035 --> 00:04:15,298 [Twain] "Man! I Feel Like A Woman" 95 00:04:15,428 --> 00:04:18,257 encapsulates all of the styles 96 00:04:18,388 --> 00:04:19,911 that I've been inspired by, 97 00:04:20,041 --> 00:04:21,478 the rock, the country, 98 00:04:21,608 --> 00:04:22,653 the attitude, 99 00:04:22,783 --> 00:04:25,395 the female empowerment 100 00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:28,354 that I've always carried with me 101 00:04:28,485 --> 00:04:30,269 pretty much on my sleeve. 102 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,923 [laughs] 103 00:04:32,053 --> 00:04:34,317 [Margo Price] What I do love about that song, 104 00:04:34,447 --> 00:04:36,275 and about Shania Twain in general, 105 00:04:36,406 --> 00:04:37,842 is that, like, duality 106 00:04:37,972 --> 00:04:40,279 that a lot of people think that you can't have, 107 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:43,935 where it's, like, you can't be sexy, 108 00:04:44,065 --> 00:04:46,111 and you can't be smart all at once, 109 00:04:46,241 --> 00:04:47,939 and she is, 110 00:04:48,069 --> 00:04:49,941 and that is the best thing about being a woman. 111 00:04:51,943 --> 00:04:56,164 [Twain] I was really having fun with that balance 112 00:04:56,295 --> 00:04:59,429 of embracing being a female, embracing my curves 113 00:04:59,559 --> 00:05:02,475 that I had been so shy about not that long before... 114 00:05:03,998 --> 00:05:06,479 and lyrically, being able to 115 00:05:06,610 --> 00:05:08,960 let my personality 116 00:05:09,090 --> 00:05:13,225 live and exist in the songwriting, 117 00:05:13,356 --> 00:05:17,447 and being able to punch attitude 118 00:05:17,577 --> 00:05:20,493 and exclamation into my lyrics 119 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,365 unapologetically 120 00:05:22,495 --> 00:05:23,931 was very satisfying. 121 00:05:24,062 --> 00:05:26,978 ♪♪♪ 122 00:05:27,108 --> 00:05:29,415 Music has always been an escape for me, 123 00:05:29,546 --> 00:05:32,287 but I had a lot of stage fright, 124 00:05:32,418 --> 00:05:34,551 so in a way, getting up on stage, 125 00:05:34,681 --> 00:05:37,467 I had the music to... 126 00:05:37,597 --> 00:05:38,642 to hide behind. 127 00:05:40,426 --> 00:05:41,514 By the time I was eight years old, 128 00:05:41,645 --> 00:05:44,212 I was already singing in local bars 129 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:46,084 in my small town of Timmins, 130 00:05:46,214 --> 00:05:49,783 in small northern mining towns in Ontario, Canada, 131 00:05:49,914 --> 00:05:52,264 and that was my education 132 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,048 in becoming a stage performer. 133 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:59,402 There was a huge gap 134 00:05:59,532 --> 00:06:01,229 [laughs] between 135 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,363 the little town bar singer to 136 00:06:04,494 --> 00:06:07,410 the nearest television show 137 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:09,020 or recording studio. 138 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:10,978 It seemed impossible 139 00:06:11,109 --> 00:06:14,591 that I would ever make it as a singer. 140 00:06:16,157 --> 00:06:18,246 I went through so many different phases 141 00:06:18,377 --> 00:06:20,292 of singing on stage, you know, 142 00:06:20,423 --> 00:06:22,512 starting out as a small child, 143 00:06:22,642 --> 00:06:25,558 singing, you know, Dolly Parton songs, 144 00:06:25,689 --> 00:06:26,820 Anne Murray, 145 00:06:26,951 --> 00:06:28,561 more folky kind of country, 146 00:06:28,692 --> 00:06:31,216 singing Tammy Wynette, 147 00:06:31,346 --> 00:06:32,870 "Stand By Your Man," 148 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,916 and then going into my teens, 149 00:06:36,047 --> 00:06:41,269 I was singing Pat Benatar and Heart, 150 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,359 belting out "Barracuda." 151 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:46,100 Rock when I was growing up, 152 00:06:46,231 --> 00:06:48,146 the men were athletic, 153 00:06:48,276 --> 00:06:49,887 and the hair was flying, 154 00:06:50,017 --> 00:06:52,455 and there was so much drama, 155 00:06:52,585 --> 00:06:54,369 and the women, 156 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:56,459 watching the women of rock 157 00:06:56,589 --> 00:06:58,461 beside these men 158 00:06:58,591 --> 00:07:01,420 as powerful, as dramatic, 159 00:07:01,551 --> 00:07:03,248 as kickass, 160 00:07:03,378 --> 00:07:05,032 I always found it to be very inspiring. 161 00:07:08,993 --> 00:07:11,299 I didn't really fit in anywhere 162 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:15,042 when I when I got signed as a recording artist. 163 00:07:15,173 --> 00:07:16,174 I don't think anybody really knew 164 00:07:16,304 --> 00:07:17,610 where I was going to fit in the end. 165 00:07:19,177 --> 00:07:20,004 But I was sure 166 00:07:20,134 --> 00:07:22,136 that I definitely wanted to be 167 00:07:22,267 --> 00:07:23,616 my own singer-songwriter. 168 00:07:25,183 --> 00:07:27,533 I had to learn to take a lot of rejection. 169 00:07:29,404 --> 00:07:31,102 [Andrea Warner] She had gone to Nashville, 170 00:07:31,232 --> 00:07:33,060 and she had tried to make it in country and rock, 171 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:35,367 but her studio was telling her, 172 00:07:35,498 --> 00:07:38,152 "No, you have to make a traditional country record," 173 00:07:38,283 --> 00:07:41,329 and she's saying, "I love rock and pop music. 174 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:43,593 Like, this is the kind of music I want to make." 175 00:07:43,723 --> 00:07:45,203 She just knew, and I think, like, 176 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:47,553 we see this all the time when artists kind of understand 177 00:07:47,684 --> 00:07:49,555 what they have to offer, 178 00:07:49,686 --> 00:07:51,514 and they know that it's missing. 179 00:07:51,644 --> 00:07:53,559 They know that there's an audience out there for it 180 00:07:53,690 --> 00:07:54,734 because they are that audience. 181 00:07:56,693 --> 00:07:59,217 But then she had to go back to Canada 182 00:07:59,347 --> 00:08:01,001 after her parents were killed in a car accident. 183 00:08:02,699 --> 00:08:05,005 She sacrificed a lot, and took care of her family 184 00:08:05,136 --> 00:08:07,268 before she even followed her dreams 185 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:08,531 and went for them, you know. 186 00:08:08,661 --> 00:08:09,793 She puts family first. 187 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:12,665 [Twain] There was no going back for me. 188 00:08:12,796 --> 00:08:15,233 I had no parents anymore. 189 00:08:15,363 --> 00:08:17,975 I had no other education. 190 00:08:18,105 --> 00:08:20,020 Music had been my whole life. 191 00:08:20,151 --> 00:08:22,327 I think that that focus really came 192 00:08:22,457 --> 00:08:23,589 from not having a choice. 193 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,112 I have to survive this. 194 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,421 I had already been through a lot in my life, 195 00:08:29,552 --> 00:08:31,771 and time not was on my side. 196 00:08:31,902 --> 00:08:34,339 I was 30 when I had my first hit song. 197 00:08:36,297 --> 00:08:39,257 More than ambition, I had determination. 198 00:08:39,387 --> 00:08:41,346 I certainly wasn't going to let anybody stand in my way 199 00:08:41,476 --> 00:08:42,652 if I could help it. 200 00:08:42,782 --> 00:08:46,220 There was only one way to feed myself, 201 00:08:46,351 --> 00:08:47,700 and that was to succeed. 202 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:51,617 [Ann Powers] Shania was country's 203 00:08:51,748 --> 00:08:54,664 biggest blockbuster artist, 204 00:08:54,794 --> 00:08:57,449 with a sound that was bright and shiny, 205 00:08:57,580 --> 00:08:59,233 and even though she's Canadian, 206 00:08:59,364 --> 00:09:02,454 she was truly that, like, sassy Southern woman 207 00:09:02,585 --> 00:09:06,110 who's gonna ask you whose bed your boots have been under, 208 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:07,198 who's gonna go out and have fun, 209 00:09:07,328 --> 00:09:08,329 be sexy, 210 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:11,637 challenge her man to treat her right, 211 00:09:11,768 --> 00:09:13,378 but also to let her be free. 212 00:09:13,508 --> 00:09:16,381 It's a slick version of women's liberation, 213 00:09:16,511 --> 00:09:17,687 but it's liberation nonetheless. 214 00:09:19,819 --> 00:09:20,864 [Twain] I was a strong thinker, 215 00:09:20,994 --> 00:09:24,171 and I believed in the way I saw things. 216 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:27,174 I was not afraid. 217 00:09:28,611 --> 00:09:30,308 Actually, I was quite fearless. 218 00:09:30,438 --> 00:09:33,267 It's almost like going to war a little bit, you know? 219 00:09:33,398 --> 00:09:34,704 I had to fight. 220 00:09:34,834 --> 00:09:36,880 Knock me down, I gotta get back up. 221 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:39,447 Stand in my way, I'm going to go around you. 222 00:09:39,578 --> 00:09:42,233 There was no way I was ever going to be stopped, 223 00:09:42,363 --> 00:09:44,801 and I had to do a lot of managing 224 00:09:44,931 --> 00:09:46,411 in order to succeed, 225 00:09:46,541 --> 00:09:47,760 and to get respect. 226 00:09:49,544 --> 00:09:50,633 Oof. 227 00:09:51,808 --> 00:09:54,462 Very, very hard to get respect 228 00:09:54,593 --> 00:09:55,812 when you're trying to do things your own way, 229 00:09:55,942 --> 00:09:57,161 or you're trying to be original. 230 00:09:58,902 --> 00:10:02,079 Those stresses are, you know, in my past, 231 00:10:02,209 --> 00:10:03,863 and I sure hope that it's... 232 00:10:05,430 --> 00:10:06,649 different for women 233 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:08,259 in the future. 234 00:10:08,389 --> 00:10:10,391 [crowd roaring] 235 00:10:16,006 --> 00:10:17,921 [Sheryl Crow] In the early '90s, 236 00:10:18,051 --> 00:10:20,358 when I was able to start being the headliner, 237 00:10:20,488 --> 00:10:22,229 I would always inquire about other female artists, 238 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,449 and I would always be shot down. 239 00:10:25,885 --> 00:10:29,323 You could not have two women on a bill 240 00:10:29,454 --> 00:10:32,544 because one novelty act is enough. 241 00:10:33,458 --> 00:10:34,894 [Crow] It was right around that time 242 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:37,244 that Sarah McLachlan called me and said, 243 00:10:37,375 --> 00:10:38,724 "I'm really tired of the status quo, 244 00:10:38,855 --> 00:10:41,727 and I don't believe that story that they're telling us 245 00:10:41,858 --> 00:10:44,338 about women can't sell tickets, 246 00:10:44,469 --> 00:10:46,384 and I want to prove everyone wrong, 247 00:10:46,514 --> 00:10:47,385 and would you do that?" 248 00:10:49,387 --> 00:10:52,172 ♪♪♪ 249 00:10:55,654 --> 00:10:57,700 [Sarah McLachlan] When women come together, 250 00:10:57,830 --> 00:10:59,789 women talk, women form ideas, 251 00:10:59,919 --> 00:11:02,835 women form coalitions, we create change. 252 00:11:02,966 --> 00:11:04,228 Women get shit done. 253 00:11:04,358 --> 00:11:07,797 That was innately intimidating 254 00:11:07,927 --> 00:11:11,496 to men and to the old structure, 255 00:11:11,626 --> 00:11:12,715 which they just, they-- 256 00:11:12,845 --> 00:11:14,325 Everything, they wanted things to stay the same, 257 00:11:14,455 --> 00:11:16,762 and... 258 00:11:16,893 --> 00:11:18,721 we wanted things to change. 259 00:11:18,851 --> 00:11:20,592 [crowd cheering] 260 00:11:20,723 --> 00:11:21,898 Anybody that's back there, 261 00:11:22,028 --> 00:11:23,769 y'all come on out and join us. 262 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:24,770 We're going to have a hootenanny. 263 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:26,337 Okay! 264 00:11:28,339 --> 00:11:29,644 ♪♪♪ 265 00:11:29,775 --> 00:11:32,909 [crowd cheering] 266 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:35,825 ♪ I went to the doctor 267 00:11:35,955 --> 00:11:38,610 ♪ I went to the mountains 268 00:11:38,741 --> 00:11:40,960 ♪ I looked to the children 269 00:11:41,091 --> 00:11:43,746 ♪ I drank from the fountains 270 00:11:43,876 --> 00:11:47,837 Lilith didn't start out as a "fuck you" to the industry. 271 00:11:47,967 --> 00:11:49,795 It was really more of a desire 272 00:11:49,926 --> 00:11:52,798 to bring all these women together, 273 00:11:52,929 --> 00:11:56,367 and prove that we're not competing against each other. 274 00:11:56,497 --> 00:11:58,935 We want to lift everybody else up. 275 00:11:59,065 --> 00:12:00,806 There's a place for all of us. 276 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:02,460 [Amy Ray] Everybody, now! 277 00:12:02,590 --> 00:12:06,420 ♪ Closer I am to fine 278 00:12:06,551 --> 00:12:07,682 ♪♪♪ 279 00:12:07,813 --> 00:12:11,382 ♪ Closer I am to fine 280 00:12:11,512 --> 00:12:15,734 ♪ Yeah 281 00:12:15,865 --> 00:12:19,782 [song ends, crowd cheering] 282 00:12:19,912 --> 00:12:22,262 [cheering and screaming] 283 00:12:23,742 --> 00:12:26,310 I was constantly told, 284 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,007 "Well, we can't add you this week on radio 285 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:29,400 because we added Tracy Chapman, 286 00:12:29,530 --> 00:12:30,880 or Tori Amos, or Sinead O'Connor. 287 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:32,490 I'm like, "Well, we're all very different. 288 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:33,578 We do different things. 289 00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:36,450 Like, why are you pigeonholing all of us 290 00:12:36,581 --> 00:12:37,582 into this little box?" 291 00:12:37,712 --> 00:12:40,454 It never sat very well with me, clearly. 292 00:12:40,585 --> 00:12:41,847 This is going to blow a lot of old myths 293 00:12:41,978 --> 00:12:42,848 out of the water. 294 00:12:42,979 --> 00:12:44,719 We've had in the past 295 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:48,114 really stupid old rules applying to women in music. 296 00:12:48,245 --> 00:12:51,030 You can't play two women back-to-back on the radio. 297 00:12:51,161 --> 00:12:53,598 You can't put two women on the same bill. 298 00:12:53,728 --> 00:12:55,992 Promoters are no longer going to be able 299 00:12:56,122 --> 00:12:57,558 to say that to any artists 300 00:12:57,689 --> 00:12:58,951 because we've proved that it is successful 301 00:12:59,082 --> 00:13:00,823 and it can be done. 302 00:13:00,953 --> 00:13:02,302 [Warner] Sarah McLachlan 303 00:13:02,433 --> 00:13:05,436 absolutely changes everything for women in music 304 00:13:05,566 --> 00:13:06,785 with Lilith Fair. 305 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:08,613 You know, it's unparalleled. 306 00:13:08,743 --> 00:13:09,962 [Benatar] It was so ballsy, 307 00:13:10,093 --> 00:13:12,878 and I never understand why anybody ever uses "balls," 308 00:13:13,009 --> 00:13:16,882 because they're the most fucking fragile things on Earth, okay, 309 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:18,449 but you know what I'm saying? 310 00:13:18,579 --> 00:13:20,930 It was like you felt really like... 311 00:13:21,060 --> 00:13:22,714 like you were with your tribe, 312 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:25,412 and it felt great. 313 00:13:26,892 --> 00:13:28,241 [Natalie Merchant] The opportunity to meet 314 00:13:28,372 --> 00:13:29,808 all these other women artists, 315 00:13:29,939 --> 00:13:32,855 to be on the same stage as Sinead O'Connor, 316 00:13:32,985 --> 00:13:34,508 or Liz Phair, 317 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:35,901 or Bonnie Raitt, 318 00:13:36,032 --> 00:13:36,728 and Emmylou Harris, you know, 319 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:38,077 it was wonderful. 320 00:13:38,208 --> 00:13:40,297 I got to be friends with Queen Latifah 321 00:13:40,427 --> 00:13:42,908 and Skye Edwards from Morcheeba. 322 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,041 [Powers] Lilith Fair is feminine, 323 00:13:45,171 --> 00:13:46,651 at least on the surface. 324 00:13:46,781 --> 00:13:48,479 That's what people think about it, right? 325 00:13:48,609 --> 00:13:51,743 That here are these soft, gentle women 326 00:13:51,874 --> 00:13:54,702 laying out picnic blankets 327 00:13:54,833 --> 00:13:55,965 and sipping white wine 328 00:13:56,095 --> 00:13:57,923 as they listen to Sarah McLachlan 329 00:13:58,054 --> 00:13:59,838 sing songs about angels, 330 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:01,448 but in fact, 331 00:14:01,579 --> 00:14:03,755 many of the artists on Lilith Fair 332 00:14:03,886 --> 00:14:06,018 were making radical music 333 00:14:06,149 --> 00:14:07,628 in pretty packages. 334 00:14:16,072 --> 00:14:17,421 [McLachlan] Matriarchs, 335 00:14:17,551 --> 00:14:20,076 young women just starting out, 336 00:14:20,206 --> 00:14:23,993 radical feminists. 337 00:14:24,123 --> 00:14:26,386 Wildly enough, 338 00:14:26,517 --> 00:14:28,911 women are incredibly varied and dynamic. 339 00:14:29,041 --> 00:14:30,521 [Benatar] Imagine. 340 00:14:30,651 --> 00:14:33,567 Imagine if this would have happened 341 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:35,091 when we started, 342 00:14:35,221 --> 00:14:36,570 if this was going on when we started, 343 00:14:36,701 --> 00:14:38,790 how different it would have been. 344 00:14:38,921 --> 00:14:42,837 To be able to have been part of the progress being made, 345 00:14:42,968 --> 00:14:43,751 it was incredible. It was like 346 00:14:43,882 --> 00:14:44,622 being able to, like... 347 00:14:44,752 --> 00:14:45,710 [inhales] 348 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:46,929 [exhales] 349 00:14:47,059 --> 00:14:49,409 like, take a breath. 350 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:51,063 [Crow] I'm super honored that she thought of me, 351 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:54,066 and wanted me to join that force with her, 352 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:54,980 because those three summers 353 00:14:55,111 --> 00:14:57,809 of defying what promoters 354 00:14:57,940 --> 00:14:59,898 had basically tried to prove, 355 00:15:00,029 --> 00:15:01,247 and Sarah proved wrong, 356 00:15:01,378 --> 00:15:04,120 were the most gratifying summers of touring, 357 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:06,122 and I know for a fact 358 00:15:06,252 --> 00:15:07,558 that it made a huge difference 359 00:15:07,688 --> 00:15:10,082 in the future of music for women, 360 00:15:10,213 --> 00:15:12,171 and we have Sarah to thank for that. 361 00:15:12,302 --> 00:15:13,172 -Thank you! -[crowd cheering] 362 00:15:13,303 --> 00:15:16,132 Good night, see you soon! 363 00:15:22,094 --> 00:15:24,662 ♪♪♪ 364 00:15:32,713 --> 00:15:34,628 [Macy Gray] I took piano lessons. 365 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:36,021 I think I started when I was about seven. 366 00:15:36,152 --> 00:15:38,458 I hated every second of it, 367 00:15:38,589 --> 00:15:40,547 but I learned how to play the piano. 368 00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:45,465 I think just from me learning music, 369 00:15:45,596 --> 00:15:47,728 I was open to a lot of different styles. 370 00:15:49,252 --> 00:15:50,731 In college, 371 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:53,125 I met this guy who was cute. 372 00:15:53,256 --> 00:15:55,258 He had a little four track, 373 00:15:55,388 --> 00:15:56,911 and we used to hang out in his dorm room 374 00:15:57,042 --> 00:15:58,913 and write songs together for fun. 375 00:15:59,784 --> 00:16:02,874 Pretty soon, we had all these little cassette tapes, 376 00:16:03,005 --> 00:16:03,918 and I'd be singing on them. 377 00:16:04,049 --> 00:16:05,616 I'm, like, no... 378 00:16:05,746 --> 00:16:07,661 I had no intention of being a singer, 379 00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:09,881 just if you write a song, you have to sing it 380 00:16:10,012 --> 00:16:11,491 so the person knows how it goes. 381 00:16:13,015 --> 00:16:14,538 It started growing on me. 382 00:16:14,668 --> 00:16:17,062 I started, you know, going to, like, real studios. 383 00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:19,064 All of a sudden, like, that's all I did, 384 00:16:20,283 --> 00:16:23,895 And so it kind of was something that just kind of, like, 385 00:16:24,026 --> 00:16:25,853 came into my life, you know, 386 00:16:25,984 --> 00:16:27,246 and then pretty soon 387 00:16:27,377 --> 00:16:28,639 I was taking it really seriously, 388 00:16:28,769 --> 00:16:31,033 and I started, like, sending tapes 389 00:16:31,163 --> 00:16:33,948 to A&R people and stuff. 390 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:36,995 About two years later, I got signed to Epic. 391 00:16:37,126 --> 00:16:39,519 That's where I made my first album 392 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:41,173 that everybody heard, "How Life Is." 393 00:16:49,007 --> 00:16:52,315 [Macy's "I Try" plays] 394 00:16:52,445 --> 00:16:53,664 I didn't know it was going to be that one. 395 00:16:53,794 --> 00:16:54,926 [laughs] 396 00:16:55,057 --> 00:16:57,015 ♪ Games, changes, and fears 397 00:16:57,146 --> 00:16:58,712 All right. 398 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:00,105 ♪ When will they go from here? ♪ 399 00:17:00,236 --> 00:17:03,717 Every once in a while, we get one of those voices, 400 00:17:03,848 --> 00:17:06,285 truly unique, right? 401 00:17:06,416 --> 00:17:09,506 Macy Gray was that voice. 402 00:17:09,636 --> 00:17:11,160 ♪ ...has brought us here 403 00:17:11,290 --> 00:17:13,727 ♪ And we should be together, babe ♪ 404 00:17:15,381 --> 00:17:17,122 ♪ But we're not 405 00:17:19,690 --> 00:17:24,042 ♪ I play it off but I'm dreaming of you ♪ 406 00:17:24,173 --> 00:17:25,870 I love Macy Gray. 407 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,611 I love her. 408 00:17:27,741 --> 00:17:29,613 She's a good, honest woman. 409 00:17:29,743 --> 00:17:33,747 ♪ I try to say goodbye and I choke ♪ 410 00:17:33,878 --> 00:17:36,968 ♪ I try to walk away and I stumble ♪ 411 00:17:37,099 --> 00:17:40,406 ♪ Though I try to hide it it's clear ♪ 412 00:17:40,537 --> 00:17:44,280 ♪ My world crumbles when you are not near ♪ 413 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:46,673 ♪ Goodbye and I choke... 414 00:17:46,804 --> 00:17:48,110 [Gray] I remember when I first came out, 415 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,200 a lot of people started wearing their afro again. 416 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:53,158 I was really proud of that. [laughs] 417 00:17:54,768 --> 00:17:56,988 So anyway, they shipped me off. 418 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,295 I went to Europe to tour. 419 00:17:59,425 --> 00:18:01,253 I was, like, seeing the world, 420 00:18:01,384 --> 00:18:02,907 I was playing music every night. 421 00:18:03,037 --> 00:18:04,300 I thought I was in heaven. 422 00:18:06,084 --> 00:18:07,738 So I'm in London. 423 00:18:07,868 --> 00:18:11,481 This was about March or April of 2000, 424 00:18:11,611 --> 00:18:14,266 and my manager called, 425 00:18:14,397 --> 00:18:15,572 and he says, 426 00:18:15,702 --> 00:18:18,705 "You have the number-one record," 427 00:18:18,836 --> 00:18:20,751 and I was like, "What does that mean?" 428 00:18:20,881 --> 00:18:22,100 and he said, "That means 429 00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:25,190 they play your record more than anybody else's." 430 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:26,800 I thought it was cool, 431 00:18:26,931 --> 00:18:29,107 but I just didn't get what was going on, 432 00:18:29,238 --> 00:18:30,674 because I was having so much fun on my tour, 433 00:18:30,804 --> 00:18:31,892 [laughs] 434 00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:34,286 But anyway, we go back to the States, 435 00:18:34,417 --> 00:18:36,158 and my son was with me. 436 00:18:36,288 --> 00:18:37,507 He was five at the time. 437 00:18:37,637 --> 00:18:40,031 We landed in New York, 438 00:18:40,162 --> 00:18:41,250 and it's freezing, 439 00:18:41,380 --> 00:18:43,861 and he doesn't have a winter coat, 440 00:18:43,991 --> 00:18:46,385 so I have the driver take me straight to the Gap. 441 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:47,256 I walk in, and all these people 442 00:18:47,386 --> 00:18:49,040 were swarming me, 443 00:18:49,171 --> 00:18:51,085 and, like, taking pictures, 444 00:18:51,216 --> 00:18:53,958 and, like, these girls are screaming and stuff, 445 00:18:54,088 --> 00:18:55,829 and I'm just trying to hold on to my son. 446 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:56,874 He's five years old, and there's these people, 447 00:18:57,004 --> 00:18:58,136 and I'm just worried 448 00:18:58,267 --> 00:19:00,225 that they were gonna hurt him or something, 449 00:19:00,356 --> 00:19:02,793 but that was the first time I realized 450 00:19:02,923 --> 00:19:04,751 people knew who I was, 451 00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:07,841 and that things had changed, for sure. 452 00:19:07,972 --> 00:19:10,931 [crowd cheering] 453 00:19:12,455 --> 00:19:14,239 I definitely had my little ego trip, 454 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,199 and my little diva couple of years. 455 00:19:17,329 --> 00:19:19,505 I was an asshole for a while, 456 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:22,247 and I did all the partying anybody could do. 457 00:19:22,378 --> 00:19:24,467 I mean, I had a ball. I was in heaven. 458 00:19:24,597 --> 00:19:26,251 I was, like, on a whole 'nother planet. 459 00:19:26,382 --> 00:19:27,687 You couldn't tell me nothing... 460 00:19:29,298 --> 00:19:31,822 but now, 461 00:19:31,952 --> 00:19:33,780 I don't kind of walk around thinking, 462 00:19:33,911 --> 00:19:35,913 "Oh, I'm Macy Gray," you know? 463 00:19:36,043 --> 00:19:37,654 Even sometimes, I go out, 464 00:19:37,784 --> 00:19:39,873 and somebody will be staring at me, 465 00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:44,182 and I forget that they might know who I am, you know? 466 00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:46,271 So... [laughs] 467 00:19:49,056 --> 00:19:50,275 My Atlantic deal, 468 00:19:50,406 --> 00:19:53,278 I got pregnant in the middle of making that record, 469 00:19:53,409 --> 00:19:55,019 and then they dropped me shortly after. 470 00:19:56,542 --> 00:19:58,196 You know, that's not, like, 471 00:19:58,327 --> 00:20:00,329 what A&R guys go out and look for. 472 00:20:02,461 --> 00:20:04,115 [Khan] I had my first kid at 20. 473 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:07,336 I watched my children climb into the suitcase, 474 00:20:07,466 --> 00:20:08,946 that I'm packing to go on the road, 475 00:20:10,382 --> 00:20:12,254 and I missed the first teeth, 476 00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:15,082 first steps, first words. 477 00:20:15,213 --> 00:20:16,910 I had to. I had to work. 478 00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:21,045 I took them both on the road with me for the first year. 479 00:20:21,175 --> 00:20:23,090 [laughs] 480 00:20:23,221 --> 00:20:24,178 On a tour bus, 481 00:20:24,309 --> 00:20:26,355 in a bassinet over the motor 482 00:20:26,485 --> 00:20:28,052 where it's warm, and the motor's running, 483 00:20:28,182 --> 00:20:32,056 and they would sleep the whole time. 484 00:20:32,186 --> 00:20:33,840 If you work and you have kids, 485 00:20:33,971 --> 00:20:35,973 your husband is not doing that. 486 00:20:36,103 --> 00:20:39,846 He is not having those issues. It's not the same. 487 00:20:39,977 --> 00:20:41,761 It's probably never going to be the same. 488 00:20:42,980 --> 00:20:44,503 My first child, 489 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:46,288 that's really what sealed it for me. 490 00:20:46,418 --> 00:20:48,986 I mean, I was already just duking it out every day, 491 00:20:49,116 --> 00:20:52,772 but, you know, once you make a spinal cord from scratch, 492 00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:55,427 that makes you pretty tough, you know, 493 00:20:55,558 --> 00:20:57,734 but they were cutting me no slack, you know, 494 00:20:57,864 --> 00:20:59,170 and I remember Chrissie Hynde and I 495 00:20:59,301 --> 00:21:00,780 had talked backstage once, 496 00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:02,391 and she... and Natalie was already born, 497 00:21:02,521 --> 00:21:03,696 and I said, "How are you doing this?" 498 00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:05,916 and she said, "I'm not. 499 00:21:06,046 --> 00:21:07,918 I'm not doing this. It's really hard." 500 00:21:10,224 --> 00:21:13,010 The very fact that you persevere and do it, 501 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:15,839 and I don't care what job you have, 502 00:21:15,969 --> 00:21:17,449 if you are a checkout girl, 503 00:21:17,580 --> 00:21:20,060 if you are somebody who's working in a doctor's office, 504 00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:21,323 if you are a schoolteacher, 505 00:21:21,453 --> 00:21:23,194 if you are out there 506 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:26,197 trying to do more than one thing at a time, 507 00:21:26,328 --> 00:21:27,981 and trying to do it well, 508 00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:30,332 you are doing it. 509 00:21:32,595 --> 00:21:33,900 [Price] Women are writing 510 00:21:34,031 --> 00:21:36,773 some of the best music of our time. 511 00:21:36,903 --> 00:21:38,862 Having a young daughter at home 512 00:21:38,992 --> 00:21:43,954 makes me more present in what I say and what I do. 513 00:21:44,084 --> 00:21:47,131 I want to be able to tell young girls 514 00:21:47,261 --> 00:21:48,306 that it's okay. You don't have to look 515 00:21:48,437 --> 00:21:49,655 like a supermodel, 516 00:21:49,786 --> 00:21:52,441 and you don't have to go get your lips done. 517 00:21:52,571 --> 00:21:54,834 You don't have to go get a nose job, 518 00:21:54,965 --> 00:21:56,488 and you don't have to go do these things, 519 00:21:56,619 --> 00:21:58,316 because you're good enough on your own. 520 00:21:58,447 --> 00:22:02,538 I'm really trying to reframe a lot of what I do 521 00:22:02,668 --> 00:22:05,018 and a lot of how I behave 522 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:06,280 for my daughter, 523 00:22:06,411 --> 00:22:08,935 and just for young, young girls out there. 524 00:22:10,284 --> 00:22:11,851 [Gray] Motherhood impacts everything. 525 00:22:11,982 --> 00:22:15,855 You really can't get around it on any level. 526 00:22:15,986 --> 00:22:17,857 It changes the way you sing, the way you walk, 527 00:22:17,988 --> 00:22:20,120 you know, the way you see things, 528 00:22:20,251 --> 00:22:21,165 the way you comb your hair, 529 00:22:21,295 --> 00:22:22,949 what time you get up, 530 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,995 who you hang out with, where you go. 531 00:22:25,125 --> 00:22:26,213 If you're an artist, 532 00:22:26,344 --> 00:22:29,478 it definitely gets into your art, for sure. 533 00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:36,006 [Kelis] Macy Gray is great at what she does. 534 00:22:36,136 --> 00:22:38,051 She works hard. She shows up. 535 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:41,011 We were on the same circuit 536 00:22:41,141 --> 00:22:43,970 for all these festivals in Europe. 537 00:22:44,101 --> 00:22:45,537 There's a festival every day. 538 00:22:45,668 --> 00:22:49,411 Europe is like festivals everywhere, right? 539 00:22:49,541 --> 00:22:51,456 But for years, like, 540 00:22:51,587 --> 00:22:53,415 if I saw any Black person 541 00:22:53,545 --> 00:22:54,938 walking around backstage anywhere, 542 00:22:55,068 --> 00:22:56,026 I was like, "Oh, is Macy here? Where's--?" 543 00:22:56,156 --> 00:22:57,244 And they're like, "Yeah, she's--" 544 00:22:57,375 --> 00:22:59,290 Of course she's here 545 00:22:59,421 --> 00:23:01,466 because that means that person's with her, right? [laughs] 546 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:03,294 So, like, it becomes just respect, 547 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:06,297 because you know what it took to get there. 548 00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:08,081 There were no other Black artists out there. 549 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:10,519 And I remember 550 00:23:10,649 --> 00:23:13,522 standing in front of seas of white faces 551 00:23:13,652 --> 00:23:16,046 at one of my first big festival shows 552 00:23:16,176 --> 00:23:18,440 in Nuremberg, Germany, 553 00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:20,093 and they were like, you know, 554 00:23:20,224 --> 00:23:22,531 "You're the first Black person to perform here." 555 00:23:22,661 --> 00:23:24,141 They told me as I was walking out, 556 00:23:24,271 --> 00:23:27,013 and I'm like, "What?" 557 00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:30,364 but I just kept going on tour, 558 00:23:30,495 --> 00:23:32,845 because your producers don't go with you on the tour. 559 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:34,586 Your label's not there, 560 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:35,718 so I didn't have to hear all the noise. 561 00:23:35,848 --> 00:23:37,110 I didn't have to talk to the label. 562 00:23:37,241 --> 00:23:38,677 Every time I did something with the label, 563 00:23:38,808 --> 00:23:40,462 I was in trouble, every frigging time. 564 00:23:42,638 --> 00:23:43,682 "Why are your feet up?" 565 00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:45,336 "Why are you chewing gum? 566 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:47,643 Why are you cursing? Why are you smoking?" 567 00:23:47,773 --> 00:23:50,428 It was like, "No one wants to see a girl behave this way." 568 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,386 I was like, "I think you're wrong, 569 00:23:52,517 --> 00:23:53,649 because I just grabbed my crotch 570 00:23:53,779 --> 00:23:55,346 and mooned about 40,000 people, 571 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:58,088 and I'm still going." You know? 572 00:23:58,218 --> 00:23:59,611 I didn't know that I was going to have 573 00:23:59,742 --> 00:24:02,266 to have a board meeting about how people perceive me, 574 00:24:02,396 --> 00:24:03,920 and was I going to flat-iron my hair, 575 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:05,095 or was I going to lose weight? 576 00:24:05,225 --> 00:24:07,140 That stuff wasn't even a thought 577 00:24:07,271 --> 00:24:08,446 until I was sitting in these rooms, 578 00:24:08,577 --> 00:24:10,666 and I was like, "Am I fat?" 579 00:24:10,796 --> 00:24:12,755 [laughs] It was like, I had no idea, you know? 580 00:24:14,408 --> 00:24:16,019 [Crow] It's still a pitfall 581 00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:20,023 that wherever art is being peddled as commerce, 582 00:24:20,153 --> 00:24:21,285 we look for things that already sound like 583 00:24:21,415 --> 00:24:22,852 something that's successful, 584 00:24:22,982 --> 00:24:25,115 or already looks like something that's successful, 585 00:24:25,245 --> 00:24:26,551 and you have to fight 586 00:24:26,682 --> 00:24:30,294 for what you know is aligned with your authenticity. 587 00:24:30,424 --> 00:24:31,948 We're in a male-dominated field, 588 00:24:32,078 --> 00:24:34,820 and a lot of times as females, 589 00:24:34,951 --> 00:24:38,345 we're not taken as seriously as we should be taken, 590 00:24:38,476 --> 00:24:40,696 and when a guy acts in a certain manner, 591 00:24:40,826 --> 00:24:42,524 it's called aggressiveness. 592 00:24:42,654 --> 00:24:44,526 When a female act in the same manner, 593 00:24:44,656 --> 00:24:45,396 we're called a bitch. 594 00:24:45,527 --> 00:24:48,094 Missy... 595 00:24:48,225 --> 00:24:49,400 the icon of icons 596 00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,620 of icons of all iconography. 597 00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:53,535 Like, if you want to talk about an icon, 598 00:24:53,665 --> 00:24:56,189 the entirety of her visual catalog 599 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,627 is a schooling in how 600 00:24:58,757 --> 00:25:03,632 to be completely individual 601 00:25:03,762 --> 00:25:06,678 in your framing of how you see the world. 602 00:25:06,809 --> 00:25:08,593 For me, Missy Elliott 603 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,248 it is the idea of possibility realized. 604 00:25:12,162 --> 00:25:13,685 [Ramona Gonzalez] Missy Elliott showed us 605 00:25:13,816 --> 00:25:16,427 that as far as gender goes, 606 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,472 it doesn't matter. 607 00:25:18,603 --> 00:25:21,432 You don't have to be a guy 608 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:24,391 to produce incredible fat beats 609 00:25:24,522 --> 00:25:26,045 and insane pop songs. 610 00:25:28,526 --> 00:25:30,484 [Julianne Escobedo Shepherd] Missy is the quintessential 611 00:25:30,615 --> 00:25:32,356 iconic producer, 612 00:25:32,486 --> 00:25:36,273 and she made it so that you cannot deny 613 00:25:36,403 --> 00:25:41,060 that there are these sort of auteur women figures. 614 00:25:43,976 --> 00:25:48,154 [Bjork] And you have eight tracks and 100 noises, 615 00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:51,201 and you can make as many songs as you want, 616 00:25:51,331 --> 00:25:53,072 and a lot of my tunes, 617 00:25:53,203 --> 00:25:55,248 for the last four years, I wrote on that. 618 00:25:55,379 --> 00:25:59,383 It's just, it's so incredibly, um, convenient. 619 00:25:59,513 --> 00:26:02,647 [Yola] I had a great exposure to Bjork, 620 00:26:02,778 --> 00:26:04,780 and, you know, she was like 621 00:26:04,910 --> 00:26:06,433 the producer extraordinaire, 622 00:26:06,564 --> 00:26:07,652 just, creator. 623 00:26:07,783 --> 00:26:09,349 There's no way that these ideas 624 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,786 came out of any other brain. 625 00:26:10,916 --> 00:26:14,354 ♪ I go through all this 626 00:26:14,485 --> 00:26:17,706 ♪ Before you wake up 627 00:26:17,836 --> 00:26:20,883 ♪ So I can feel happier 628 00:26:21,013 --> 00:26:25,496 ♪ To be safe up here with you 629 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:27,716 ♪ I go through all this 630 00:26:27,846 --> 00:26:31,763 [Syd] I discovered Bjork in high school. 631 00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:34,810 Her music is very juxtaposing in a sense. 632 00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:38,335 She's able to morph light and dark 633 00:26:38,465 --> 00:26:40,250 in such a crazy way. 634 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:44,776 Songs that, like, were sad and happy, 635 00:26:44,907 --> 00:26:47,605 and beautiful, and joyous, 636 00:26:47,736 --> 00:26:50,695 and dark, and scary, 637 00:26:50,826 --> 00:26:53,480 and that was just, you know, 638 00:26:53,611 --> 00:26:54,438 for me as a high school student, 639 00:26:54,568 --> 00:26:56,092 I was like, "What? 640 00:26:56,222 --> 00:26:58,660 How... how did she do that 641 00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:00,400 and make it work? 642 00:27:00,531 --> 00:27:02,664 I don't..." 'Cause it works! 643 00:27:02,794 --> 00:27:06,929 ♪ Safe up here with you 644 00:27:07,059 --> 00:27:08,452 [Sara] Like, I think of, like, Bjork 645 00:27:08,582 --> 00:27:09,932 and the work that she's done, 646 00:27:10,062 --> 00:27:12,456 and it gives me, and I think Tegan as well, 647 00:27:12,586 --> 00:27:14,719 like, this confidence that, you know, 648 00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:16,721 it doesn't have to be like, "Oh, now I'm painting," 649 00:27:16,852 --> 00:27:18,375 or, "Now I'm writing a book." 650 00:27:18,505 --> 00:27:19,898 Like, it's like, "Oh, I'm going to put the energy 651 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:22,292 and the passion and the creative heart 652 00:27:22,422 --> 00:27:23,510 behind this new thing, 653 00:27:23,641 --> 00:27:24,816 and maybe it'll even be bigger and better 654 00:27:24,947 --> 00:27:26,165 than what I am known for." 655 00:27:29,429 --> 00:27:31,867 [Suzy Exposito] Women in music today 656 00:27:31,997 --> 00:27:34,304 want to have more control over how it sounds, 657 00:27:34,434 --> 00:27:36,785 and a big way that they can do that 658 00:27:36,915 --> 00:27:39,657 is by getting behind the mixing board. 659 00:27:39,788 --> 00:27:41,746 We're starting to see more parity 660 00:27:41,877 --> 00:27:43,792 when it comes to representation. 661 00:27:43,922 --> 00:27:46,620 However, we need more women producers. 662 00:27:46,751 --> 00:27:49,188 We need more women in production, 663 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,539 in engineering, in sound, because 664 00:27:52,670 --> 00:27:54,106 there's power in being able 665 00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:57,196 to master your own sound. 666 00:27:58,632 --> 00:28:00,417 [Syd] You know, my mother wanted to be 667 00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:02,288 a recording engineer, 668 00:28:02,419 --> 00:28:07,337 but when she mentioned it to a friend of hers 669 00:28:07,467 --> 00:28:09,339 who was actually a mixing engineer 670 00:28:09,469 --> 00:28:12,385 and was songwriter-producer and was mixing a record 671 00:28:12,516 --> 00:28:14,213 for Earth, Wind and Fire at the time, he said, 672 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:17,695 [inhales through teeth] "It's not for women." 673 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:20,567 He wasn't saying it in that sense, 674 00:28:20,698 --> 00:28:21,830 like, "Stay away." 675 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920 He was more so out of care and worry. 676 00:28:25,050 --> 00:28:26,835 Like, you know, 677 00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:30,621 things happen to women in these studios, 678 00:28:30,752 --> 00:28:35,800 things that we have all seen come to light recently, 679 00:28:35,931 --> 00:28:37,802 and so she didn't pursue it. 680 00:28:38,934 --> 00:28:40,631 All we can do is move forward, 681 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:43,547 and I'm glad that I can say 682 00:28:43,677 --> 00:28:46,593 if I raise a daughter in this world, 683 00:28:46,724 --> 00:28:48,770 we won't have to have the same conversation 684 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:50,859 that my mom had. 685 00:28:50,989 --> 00:28:52,512 ♪♪♪ 686 00:28:54,776 --> 00:28:56,865 [Powers] Every cultural shift 687 00:28:56,995 --> 00:28:59,650 and aesthetic shift in popular music 688 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:02,392 is really about technology, 689 00:29:02,522 --> 00:29:03,610 and we've seen that 690 00:29:03,741 --> 00:29:07,571 the Internet has changed everything about access, 691 00:29:07,701 --> 00:29:10,661 both to the processes of making music 692 00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:13,446 and distributing music. 693 00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:15,884 Now, I don't want to paint this as too utopian, 694 00:29:16,014 --> 00:29:18,625 because we still have the old systems, 695 00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:22,107 and they still pose a lot of challenges, 696 00:29:22,238 --> 00:29:25,545 but the open access that defines our time 697 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:28,592 has been only good for women 698 00:29:28,722 --> 00:29:31,247 and all marginalized people within popular music. 699 00:29:31,377 --> 00:29:33,771 The medium has changed so much 700 00:29:33,902 --> 00:29:35,947 that women are able to get their stuff out, 701 00:29:36,078 --> 00:29:41,387 where in 1975, we weren't. 702 00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:42,649 You didn't have the Internet. 703 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:45,043 You didn't have ways to get your own material 704 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:47,480 out there directly to the fans. 705 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,441 [Syd] I was 14. 706 00:29:51,571 --> 00:29:54,836 My dad had just got a family computer. 707 00:29:54,966 --> 00:29:57,055 It had GarageBand on it, 708 00:29:57,186 --> 00:30:01,016 so that became my first instrument 709 00:30:01,146 --> 00:30:02,756 that I really clung to. 710 00:30:02,887 --> 00:30:04,541 ♪♪♪ 711 00:30:04,671 --> 00:30:05,585 I'm mostly self-taught. 712 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:08,153 I taught myself GarageBand. 713 00:30:08,284 --> 00:30:10,025 If there was something I couldn't figure out, 714 00:30:10,155 --> 00:30:13,332 YouTube University. [laughs] 715 00:30:13,463 --> 00:30:16,814 I like to think I'm pretty self-proficient, 716 00:30:16,945 --> 00:30:17,989 if you will. 717 00:30:19,817 --> 00:30:22,037 It felt eye-opening, 718 00:30:22,167 --> 00:30:24,039 first using GarageBand and realizing like, 719 00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:27,564 "Wow, okay, this is how it's done. 720 00:30:27,694 --> 00:30:29,827 This is how all of these songs that I grew up listening to 721 00:30:29,958 --> 00:30:31,611 come to fruition." 722 00:30:35,528 --> 00:30:39,706 When I got into the industry professionally, 723 00:30:39,837 --> 00:30:43,014 I felt like people were ready for something new. 724 00:30:43,145 --> 00:30:47,018 I started making beats, making remixes. 725 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,761 My first song I ever wrote, I was 16. 726 00:30:50,892 --> 00:30:52,937 I had produced it, written it, 727 00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:55,418 recorded it late at night one weekend, 728 00:30:55,548 --> 00:30:57,768 and I woke up in the morning, and I listened to it. 729 00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:59,074 I was like, "I still like this," 730 00:30:59,204 --> 00:31:00,727 and the next thing you know, 731 00:31:00,858 --> 00:31:02,512 it was up on MySpace, 732 00:31:02,642 --> 00:31:03,948 MySpace Music. 733 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:05,994 We were putting our music out for free. 734 00:31:06,124 --> 00:31:09,736 Like, we just wanted people to hear it. 735 00:31:09,867 --> 00:31:13,131 In punk, there is this ethos 736 00:31:13,262 --> 00:31:15,568 that you should do it yourself, 737 00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:18,658 and that is supposed to be the antithesis 738 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:22,793 of what the commercial music industry does. 739 00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:26,362 MySpace took that ethos 740 00:31:26,492 --> 00:31:29,060 and cut out the middlemen. 741 00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:32,150 It makes it so that, you know, you're taking your music 742 00:31:32,281 --> 00:31:35,980 straight to the people that you want to hear it. 743 00:31:38,243 --> 00:31:41,725 This is exactly what helped propel 744 00:31:41,855 --> 00:31:43,161 a lot of women 745 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:46,164 who are making rock music today. 746 00:31:47,252 --> 00:31:49,907 [Syd] Streaming was just kind of getting its footing, 747 00:31:50,038 --> 00:31:51,213 I feel like. 748 00:31:51,343 --> 00:31:54,172 It just started to become transparent 749 00:31:54,303 --> 00:31:56,609 when it comes to monetizing it. 750 00:31:56,740 --> 00:31:58,002 There was a long time 751 00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:00,439 where we couldn't see the numbers 752 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:03,051 and we had no access to the data, 753 00:32:03,181 --> 00:32:04,748 and that, I think, was the scariest time 754 00:32:04,878 --> 00:32:05,836 because we didn't know if the labels 755 00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:07,011 were lying to us or what. 756 00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,668 Streaming services really sell the idea 757 00:32:11,798 --> 00:32:14,932 that they're democratizing the listening experience, 758 00:32:15,063 --> 00:32:16,499 but they're not. 759 00:32:16,629 --> 00:32:20,590 They are really, like, selling artists short, 760 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,591 big time. 761 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,681 The way that Spotify works 762 00:32:24,811 --> 00:32:27,031 is that the most listened-to artists, 763 00:32:27,162 --> 00:32:29,773 they get more money per stream. 764 00:32:29,903 --> 00:32:31,253 Meanwhile, like, 765 00:32:31,383 --> 00:32:34,604 that puts indie artists at a disadvantage. 766 00:32:34,734 --> 00:32:37,172 [Star Amerasu] Songs used to be sold, 767 00:32:37,302 --> 00:32:38,651 but now it's just streams. 768 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:43,134 A stream is like 0.00023 of a cent per stream, 769 00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:46,224 so streaming for me is never going to make me money. 770 00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:48,661 So unfortunately, we live in a world 771 00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:50,576 where you do have to kind of commodify yourself. 772 00:32:52,404 --> 00:32:53,666 [Gonzalez] Technology in general 773 00:32:53,797 --> 00:32:56,887 is creating a better future for women in music 774 00:32:57,018 --> 00:33:01,065 simply because women are able to see more examples 775 00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:03,024 of other successful women 776 00:33:03,154 --> 00:33:04,199 doing it on their own, 777 00:33:04,329 --> 00:33:05,983 in control of their music 778 00:33:06,114 --> 00:33:07,637 and making music. 779 00:33:07,767 --> 00:33:10,683 That helps to inspire more women to create, 780 00:33:10,814 --> 00:33:12,729 but I will say 781 00:33:12,859 --> 00:33:14,905 that all the accessibility that you can get in the world 782 00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,125 is not going to replace 783 00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:19,823 the need for patriarchal attitudes 784 00:33:19,953 --> 00:33:22,391 around women and technology to change. 785 00:33:22,521 --> 00:33:23,870 We have to, you know, 786 00:33:24,001 --> 00:33:27,048 encourage women to see themselves as technicians 787 00:33:27,178 --> 00:33:28,701 if they want to be that. 788 00:33:32,966 --> 00:33:34,664 [Powers] In the 21st century, 789 00:33:34,794 --> 00:33:38,146 we see these women power players emerge 790 00:33:38,276 --> 00:33:40,887 who are not only leaping over boundaries 791 00:33:41,018 --> 00:33:42,150 in their music, 792 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,240 but also changing the way women can be 793 00:33:45,370 --> 00:33:47,155 in the business side of things. 794 00:33:49,418 --> 00:33:50,201 [Tegan] The artist that pops into my mind 795 00:33:50,332 --> 00:33:51,985 when I think of a female 796 00:33:52,116 --> 00:33:53,596 who has a career that I would want 797 00:33:53,726 --> 00:33:55,250 -is, like, a Gwen Stefani. -Sure. 798 00:33:55,380 --> 00:33:57,034 ♪ Uh-huh, this my shit 799 00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:59,384 ♪ All the girls stomp your feet like this ♪ 800 00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:01,734 ♪ A few times I've been around that track ♪ 801 00:34:01,865 --> 00:34:03,736 ♪ So it's not just gonna happen like that ♪ 802 00:34:03,867 --> 00:34:05,912 ♪ 'Cause I ain't no hollaback girl ♪ 803 00:34:06,826 --> 00:34:09,916 ♪ Ooh, ooh, this my shit, this my shit ♪ 804 00:34:10,047 --> 00:34:12,093 ♪ I heard that you were talking shit ♪ 805 00:34:12,223 --> 00:34:14,617 ♪ And you didn't think that I would hear it ♪ 806 00:34:14,747 --> 00:34:16,619 ♪ People hear you talking like that ♪ 807 00:34:16,749 --> 00:34:18,664 ♪ Getting everybody fired up 808 00:34:18,795 --> 00:34:21,624 ♪ So I'm ready to attack, gonna lead the pack ♪ 809 00:34:21,754 --> 00:34:23,278 ♪ Gonna get a touchdown, gonna take you out ♪ 810 00:34:23,408 --> 00:34:25,193 ♪ That's right, put your pom-poms down ♪ 811 00:34:25,323 --> 00:34:27,108 ♪ Getting everybody fired up 812 00:34:27,238 --> 00:34:29,762 ♪ A few times I've been around that track ♪ 813 00:34:29,893 --> 00:34:31,938 ♪ So it's not just gonna happen like that ♪ 814 00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:33,549 ♪ 'Cause I ain't no hollaback girl ♪ 815 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,204 ♪ I ain't no hollaback girl 816 00:34:37,161 --> 00:34:40,338 ♪ Ooh, ooh, this my shit, this my shit ♪ 817 00:34:40,469 --> 00:34:45,082 ♪ Ooh, ooh, this my shit, this my shit ♪ 818 00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:49,652 ♪ Ooh, ooh, this my shit, this my shit ♪ 819 00:34:49,782 --> 00:34:52,785 ♪ Ooh, ooh, this my shit, this my shit ♪ 820 00:34:55,962 --> 00:34:57,181 [Tegan] She had a band, 821 00:34:57,312 --> 00:34:59,009 but then she was also a solo artist. 822 00:34:59,140 --> 00:35:00,967 Now she's, like, hosting on TV. 823 00:35:01,098 --> 00:35:02,795 It's really cool to have such a long career, 824 00:35:02,926 --> 00:35:06,843 and to see that we're not restricted to one lane. 825 00:35:06,973 --> 00:35:09,628 Sara and I have started to really see ourselves 826 00:35:09,759 --> 00:35:10,977 as, though we are not always climbing, 827 00:35:11,108 --> 00:35:12,240 we're widening, always, 828 00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:13,980 always making the universe bigger. 829 00:35:14,111 --> 00:35:17,114 The influence that artists like Gwen had on us, 830 00:35:17,245 --> 00:35:18,855 who were not restricting themselves 831 00:35:18,985 --> 00:35:20,639 to one artistic format, 832 00:35:20,770 --> 00:35:22,554 that was really influential and important. 833 00:35:22,685 --> 00:35:24,121 Women like that, who showed 834 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:26,776 that you could do other stuff, keep it interesting, 835 00:35:26,906 --> 00:35:29,300 not be retired by the industry at 38. 836 00:35:30,301 --> 00:35:32,042 [crowd cheering] 837 00:35:32,173 --> 00:35:34,784 [Beyoncé] Almost 10 years ago, 838 00:35:34,914 --> 00:35:38,831 I got my start in a singing group. 839 00:35:38,962 --> 00:35:40,268 [crowd cheering] 840 00:35:40,398 --> 00:35:41,399 Do you guys know the name of that group? 841 00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:43,880 [crowd screams] Destiny's Child! 842 00:35:44,010 --> 00:35:45,229 Yes, 843 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,840 and if it was not for Destiny's Child, 844 00:35:47,971 --> 00:35:49,842 I would definitely not be standing here. 845 00:35:51,888 --> 00:35:55,848 [Powers] Beyoncé starts as the protégé of her father, 846 00:35:55,979 --> 00:36:00,810 and we see her evolve over many years to become 847 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:03,073 not only one half of one of the most influential 848 00:36:03,204 --> 00:36:04,292 power couples of all time 849 00:36:04,422 --> 00:36:06,119 in popular music, 850 00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:09,035 but someone absolutely in charge 851 00:36:09,166 --> 00:36:11,255 of this multifaceted career 852 00:36:11,386 --> 00:36:13,997 that's essentially an empire. 853 00:36:14,127 --> 00:36:15,172 Beyoncé, I mean, 854 00:36:15,303 --> 00:36:17,783 this is a powerhouse person 855 00:36:17,914 --> 00:36:20,090 who is making her mark in her own way. 856 00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:22,005 It's just amazing to see. 857 00:36:23,441 --> 00:36:26,052 [Powers] I think Beyoncé's evolution, 858 00:36:26,183 --> 00:36:27,967 it is all about control, 859 00:36:28,098 --> 00:36:30,753 and no artist in the music industry 860 00:36:30,883 --> 00:36:34,713 has insistently taken control 861 00:36:34,844 --> 00:36:37,803 and maintained control of her image, her music, 862 00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:40,763 her business, her private life, 863 00:36:40,893 --> 00:36:43,287 and her influence on the culture 864 00:36:43,418 --> 00:36:45,246 as effectively as Beyoncé. 865 00:36:45,376 --> 00:36:47,291 [Beyoncé] I want to win an Oscar, 866 00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:49,989 and I want to win a Tony. 867 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,470 I know I'm 21, and I have a long way to go, 868 00:36:52,601 --> 00:36:54,733 but it's great that so young I'm able to start, 869 00:36:54,864 --> 00:36:58,389 and I think I have a long career ahead of me. 870 00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,999 At least, I want a long career ahead of me, 871 00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:02,350 and I'm trying to make the right decisions. 872 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,526 [Danyel Smith] Of the last 40 years, 873 00:37:04,656 --> 00:37:07,877 the only people that can even stand next to her 874 00:37:08,007 --> 00:37:09,879 if she was alive would be Whitney Houston. 875 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:14,275 You know, there's also Adele. 876 00:37:14,405 --> 00:37:16,799 There's Jennifer Hudson. 877 00:37:16,929 --> 00:37:19,018 And then I'm saying, "Well, where are we going?" 878 00:37:20,281 --> 00:37:22,892 Because when Beyoncé decides 879 00:37:23,022 --> 00:37:24,154 she's going to give you a good night, 880 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:26,287 man, there's nothing like it. 881 00:37:26,417 --> 00:37:29,464 35 minutes of Beyoncé, 882 00:37:29,594 --> 00:37:32,510 I lost all cares in the world. 883 00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:35,339 Beyoncé gave me a little reprieve 884 00:37:35,470 --> 00:37:36,862 from the mundane. 885 00:37:36,993 --> 00:37:39,256 Also, she was one of the first people 886 00:37:39,387 --> 00:37:41,998 to do the visual album 887 00:37:42,128 --> 00:37:43,913 that told a story, 888 00:37:44,043 --> 00:37:46,959 and she really started that trend. 889 00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:48,309 The tragedies and things 890 00:37:48,439 --> 00:37:50,789 that she's had to deal with in her personal life, 891 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,922 coming to terms with what's going on 892 00:37:53,052 --> 00:37:54,358 with Black people in this country, 893 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:56,229 how Black women are treated, 894 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,408 and to see all that reflected in her music, you know, 895 00:38:00,538 --> 00:38:04,237 you could devote encyclopedias on top of encyclopedias 896 00:38:04,368 --> 00:38:05,978 to Beyoncé. 897 00:38:06,109 --> 00:38:08,067 She is the definition of "superstar." 898 00:38:12,158 --> 00:38:13,986 [Powers] Like Beyoncé, 899 00:38:14,117 --> 00:38:16,337 Taylor grew up right in front of our eyes, 900 00:38:16,467 --> 00:38:18,774 and in our ears. 901 00:38:18,904 --> 00:38:20,515 From the minute Taylor Swift emerged 902 00:38:20,645 --> 00:38:22,212 in Nashville as a teen, 903 00:38:22,343 --> 00:38:25,955 everybody knew that she was going to change the game. 904 00:38:26,085 --> 00:38:28,523 Taylor Swift is a powerhouse talent 905 00:38:28,653 --> 00:38:30,307 of every kind. 906 00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:35,356 She's a bright, smart, dedicated young lady. 907 00:38:35,486 --> 00:38:37,923 I'm very proud of her. 908 00:38:38,054 --> 00:38:40,883 ♪♪♪ 909 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:43,407 ♪ See the lights 910 00:38:43,538 --> 00:38:45,888 ♪ See the party the ball gowns ♪ 911 00:38:46,018 --> 00:38:49,326 ♪ See you make your way through the crowd ♪ 912 00:38:49,457 --> 00:38:51,110 ♪ And say "Hello" 913 00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:53,939 She's always had so much clarity, it's obvious. 914 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:57,203 She just never lost herself along the way. 915 00:38:57,334 --> 00:39:00,381 I have a lot of admiration for Taylor Swift. 916 00:39:00,511 --> 00:39:03,471 [Exposito] She's not just any old, like, teen pop star. 917 00:39:03,601 --> 00:39:06,909 She wasn't any old country star. 918 00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,999 Taylor Swift was the first artist since Elvis 919 00:39:10,129 --> 00:39:14,264 to have that many simultaneously charting hits. 920 00:39:14,395 --> 00:39:18,094 ♪ I love you and that's all I really know ♪ 921 00:39:18,224 --> 00:39:19,617 ♪ I talked to your dad 922 00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:22,446 ♪ Go pick out a white dress 923 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:24,405 ♪ It's a love story, baby 924 00:39:24,535 --> 00:39:27,973 ♪ Just say... 925 00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:32,064 ♪ Oh, oh, oh 926 00:39:32,195 --> 00:39:37,374 ♪ 'Cause we were both young when I first saw you ♪ 927 00:39:37,505 --> 00:39:41,596 Taylor Swift has advocated for women in music 928 00:39:41,726 --> 00:39:43,424 by advocating for herself. 929 00:39:43,554 --> 00:39:46,252 She sued a guy 930 00:39:46,383 --> 00:39:50,213 for grabbing her butt during a promo event. 931 00:39:50,343 --> 00:39:53,216 She sued him for $1 932 00:39:53,346 --> 00:39:54,304 and won, 933 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:56,654 just on the principle 934 00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:59,265 that, like, you should not do that. 935 00:39:59,396 --> 00:40:02,181 You can't be violating a woman's space like that. 936 00:40:03,052 --> 00:40:05,010 [Bethany Cosentino] She is an advocate 937 00:40:05,141 --> 00:40:06,925 for, like, songwriters and musicians 938 00:40:07,056 --> 00:40:09,145 getting paid the amount they deserve 939 00:40:09,275 --> 00:40:11,364 for their music to be listened to. 940 00:40:11,495 --> 00:40:12,583 [Exposito] She's spelling it out 941 00:40:12,714 --> 00:40:14,846 and being like, "Read your contracts. 942 00:40:14,977 --> 00:40:17,675 Make sure you own your songs." 943 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,244 I respect 944 00:40:21,374 --> 00:40:25,117 how much transparency she has offered 945 00:40:25,248 --> 00:40:27,119 when it comes to how women are treated 946 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:28,294 in the music industry. 947 00:40:28,425 --> 00:40:30,079 That is her impact. 948 00:40:30,209 --> 00:40:31,733 ♪♪♪ 949 00:40:31,863 --> 00:40:34,649 It would be really easy to say, "I'm 21 now. 950 00:40:34,779 --> 00:40:36,302 I do what I want. 951 00:40:36,433 --> 00:40:37,347 You raise your kids," 952 00:40:37,478 --> 00:40:39,044 but it's not the truth of it. 953 00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:40,045 The truth of it 954 00:40:40,176 --> 00:40:41,873 is that every singer out there 955 00:40:42,004 --> 00:40:43,048 with songs on the radio 956 00:40:43,179 --> 00:40:45,355 is raising the next generation, 957 00:40:45,486 --> 00:40:48,053 so make your words count. 958 00:40:48,184 --> 00:40:50,360 She doesn't play down how much control 959 00:40:50,491 --> 00:40:53,145 and what a big voice she has in her career. 960 00:40:53,276 --> 00:40:54,320 She says it how it is. 961 00:40:54,451 --> 00:40:55,670 She is still a boss. 962 00:40:57,193 --> 00:40:59,282 She hasn't always done everything right, 963 00:40:59,412 --> 00:41:03,112 and she doesn't make excuses for that. 964 00:41:03,242 --> 00:41:05,506 It can be very off-putting to some people, I think, 965 00:41:05,636 --> 00:41:07,551 because she is not apologizing 966 00:41:07,682 --> 00:41:10,032 for being strong-willed, strong-minded, 967 00:41:10,162 --> 00:41:11,555 and very much in control of where she goes. 968 00:41:13,296 --> 00:41:17,300 [Powers] She is an artist of her own independence, 969 00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:20,390 and I think she really is both of her generation 970 00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:22,131 and inspiring her generation. 971 00:41:25,221 --> 00:41:28,093 ♪♪♪ 972 00:41:31,183 --> 00:41:33,969 Country music is undergoing 973 00:41:34,099 --> 00:41:36,537 a radical, fundamental change. 974 00:41:36,667 --> 00:41:38,582 It's happening because of women 975 00:41:38,713 --> 00:41:40,192 like Rhiannon Giddens, 976 00:41:40,323 --> 00:41:42,412 because of Yola, 977 00:41:42,543 --> 00:41:44,762 because of Allison Russell, 978 00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:47,373 because of Mickey Guyton. 979 00:41:47,504 --> 00:41:50,551 Finally, Black women are not being told, 980 00:41:50,681 --> 00:41:51,726 "You can't be country. 981 00:41:51,856 --> 00:41:53,379 We're going to call you R&B, 982 00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:54,424 we're going to call you soul, 983 00:41:54,555 --> 00:41:55,773 we're going to call you folk. 984 00:41:55,904 --> 00:41:57,166 We're going to call you something else." 985 00:41:57,296 --> 00:42:01,213 Black women are not only turning the tide 986 00:42:01,344 --> 00:42:02,650 of what country music 987 00:42:02,780 --> 00:42:04,390 and Americana music can be today, 988 00:42:04,521 --> 00:42:06,567 but changing our whole sense of the genre 989 00:42:06,697 --> 00:42:08,046 from its beginnings. 990 00:42:08,177 --> 00:42:09,700 These are the people who inspire me now. 991 00:42:11,310 --> 00:42:12,834 [Crow] I love Yola. 992 00:42:12,964 --> 00:42:15,010 Yola fights for what she believes in, 993 00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:16,838 and she puts it in her music. 994 00:42:16,968 --> 00:42:21,451 She doesn't belong in any certain genre. 995 00:42:21,582 --> 00:42:22,757 She's bigger than that. 996 00:42:24,367 --> 00:42:26,412 [Yola] I was talking to Allison Russell. 997 00:42:26,543 --> 00:42:28,023 She called me the door-kicker. 998 00:42:28,153 --> 00:42:30,199 She was, like, "Oh, you know, 999 00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:32,027 you're just always kicking doors down, 1000 00:42:32,157 --> 00:42:33,637 ushering the rest of us in." 1001 00:42:33,768 --> 00:42:36,161 I'm like, "Well, I suppose I debuted 1002 00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:37,728 before everyone else." [laughs] 1003 00:42:39,730 --> 00:42:43,168 By the time I got to being a front woman for hire, 1004 00:42:43,299 --> 00:42:44,779 being part of other people's bands, 1005 00:42:44,909 --> 00:42:46,345 and all this kind of business, 1006 00:42:46,476 --> 00:42:47,695 I realized that the best way 1007 00:42:47,825 --> 00:42:50,567 that I could further this mission 1008 00:42:50,698 --> 00:42:51,612 was to do my own thing. 1009 00:42:53,222 --> 00:42:55,441 And I went in to do live interviews, 1010 00:42:55,572 --> 00:42:57,356 and I went to a lot of spaces, 1011 00:42:57,487 --> 00:43:00,446 and I found them to be overwhelmingly 1012 00:43:00,577 --> 00:43:02,274 male and white spaces. 1013 00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:03,798 So then we started focusing on, like, 1014 00:43:03,928 --> 00:43:06,061 "Okay, how can we find 1015 00:43:06,191 --> 00:43:08,367 female and spaces of color, 1016 00:43:08,498 --> 00:43:12,415 and try and at least reflect 1017 00:43:12,545 --> 00:43:13,721 my identity 1018 00:43:13,851 --> 00:43:15,897 in the spaces I'm going into?" 1019 00:43:16,027 --> 00:43:18,726 And that wasn't an easy fix or a quick fix. 1020 00:43:20,379 --> 00:43:22,468 You're going to be in these spaces, 1021 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:26,472 but you've just got to make concerted effort 1022 00:43:26,603 --> 00:43:29,301 to find spaces that reflect you 1023 00:43:29,432 --> 00:43:31,608 so that you can speak more deeply. 1024 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:33,697 That was something that I realized 1025 00:43:33,828 --> 00:43:35,656 it was going to be a lot easier 1026 00:43:35,786 --> 00:43:36,831 when I'm not alone. 1027 00:43:38,528 --> 00:43:40,443 Whatever it takes 1028 00:43:40,573 --> 00:43:42,663 to get the space to be more representative, 1029 00:43:42,793 --> 00:43:44,142 more equitable, 1030 00:43:44,273 --> 00:43:45,753 that's really what I'm trying to do, 1031 00:43:45,883 --> 00:43:47,276 is to whisper in the right ears 1032 00:43:47,406 --> 00:43:48,451 at the right time, 1033 00:43:48,581 --> 00:43:50,801 and adjust the way people are thinking. 1034 00:43:50,932 --> 00:43:53,325 [applause and cheering] 1035 00:43:56,894 --> 00:43:59,244 ♪♪♪ 1036 00:44:03,814 --> 00:44:05,860 I left college 1037 00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:08,427 and joined The Polyphonic Spree, 1038 00:44:08,558 --> 00:44:10,255 which is a band from Dallas 1039 00:44:10,386 --> 00:44:11,735 that I used to see when I was in high school, 1040 00:44:11,866 --> 00:44:13,476 and I loved this band, 1041 00:44:13,606 --> 00:44:16,871 and then that led to playing 1042 00:44:17,001 --> 00:44:19,917 in Sufjan Stevens' band. 1043 00:44:20,048 --> 00:44:21,136 All the while, I was working on 1044 00:44:21,266 --> 00:44:23,704 what would become my first record. 1045 00:44:23,834 --> 00:44:26,576 But what was really important to me as an artist 1046 00:44:26,707 --> 00:44:29,187 was proving that I 1047 00:44:29,318 --> 00:44:32,887 could do a lot of things, for some reason. 1048 00:44:33,017 --> 00:44:36,194 I remember on my first record 1049 00:44:36,325 --> 00:44:37,892 listing all the instruments I played, 1050 00:44:38,022 --> 00:44:39,632 and being very, like, 1051 00:44:39,763 --> 00:44:42,766 "People need to know I can play," you know. 1052 00:44:42,897 --> 00:44:44,899 ♪ Seiken no fuhai! ♪ 1053 00:44:45,029 --> 00:44:46,335 ♪ Seiken no fuhai! 1054 00:44:46,465 --> 00:44:50,513 ♪♪♪ 1055 00:44:50,643 --> 00:44:53,951 ♪ I can't turn off what turns me on ♪ 1056 00:44:54,082 --> 00:44:58,216 A lot of that came from gendered expectations. 1057 00:44:58,347 --> 00:45:02,655 I felt as if I had something to prove, 1058 00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:04,701 like, writ large. 1059 00:45:04,832 --> 00:45:05,746 ♪ I can't turn off what turns me on ♪ 1060 00:45:05,876 --> 00:45:07,922 ♪ Masseduction 1061 00:45:08,052 --> 00:45:10,315 ♪ I can't turn off what turns me on ♪ 1062 00:45:10,446 --> 00:45:11,664 ♪ Masseduction 1063 00:45:11,795 --> 00:45:13,405 ♪ I can't turn off what turns me on ♪ 1064 00:45:13,536 --> 00:45:18,062 Annie Clark is absolutely and completely an artist. 1065 00:45:18,193 --> 00:45:20,282 You know, she is, like, a throwback to Kate Bush, 1066 00:45:20,412 --> 00:45:22,632 where there's no one like her, 1067 00:45:22,763 --> 00:45:24,199 she does everything amazingly, 1068 00:45:24,329 --> 00:45:24,939 and it should be celebrated 1069 00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:27,811 for how it's calculated. 1070 00:45:27,942 --> 00:45:30,509 She's in control of it. 1071 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,989 She projects what she wants to project 1072 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,165 through her music and her persona, 1073 00:45:34,296 --> 00:45:36,385 and it's totally amazing. 1074 00:45:36,515 --> 00:45:38,953 ♪♪♪ 1075 00:45:39,083 --> 00:45:41,607 ♪ Mass destruction! 1076 00:45:41,738 --> 00:45:43,522 [crowd cheering] 1077 00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,046 [Fefe Dobson] In the pop-rock genre, 1078 00:45:45,176 --> 00:45:48,397 just seeing it come back so hardcore is amazing. 1079 00:45:48,527 --> 00:45:50,312 Pop punk. 1080 00:45:50,442 --> 00:45:53,054 Rock pop. 1081 00:45:53,184 --> 00:45:56,318 Just hearing guitars be up front is pretty killer. 1082 00:45:56,448 --> 00:45:57,623 That's amazing. 1083 00:45:57,754 --> 00:45:58,886 That's what it's about. 1084 00:45:59,016 --> 00:46:00,496 I mean, there's such a thing as genre, 1085 00:46:00,626 --> 00:46:01,584 but at the same time, 1086 00:46:01,714 --> 00:46:03,368 we can play with genre. 1087 00:46:03,499 --> 00:46:05,762 You have to find some way to fit in there, 1088 00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:08,025 which was always a big problem when I started. 1089 00:46:08,156 --> 00:46:11,637 Now it's like, you know, alternative, 1090 00:46:11,768 --> 00:46:14,510 and you can put rock in there, you can put pop. 1091 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,598 You could put some hip-hop, you could put urban-- 1092 00:46:15,728 --> 00:46:17,469 It just can go in there, it's organic. 1093 00:46:18,862 --> 00:46:19,863 [Exposito] Billie Eilish came up 1094 00:46:19,994 --> 00:46:22,605 in a post-genre world, 1095 00:46:22,735 --> 00:46:25,782 and we're seeing what that looks like, 1096 00:46:25,913 --> 00:46:27,828 and what that's going to look like 1097 00:46:27,958 --> 00:46:29,960 in her music. 1098 00:46:30,091 --> 00:46:31,483 [crowd screaming along] 1099 00:46:31,614 --> 00:46:33,790 ♪ White shirt now red my bloody nose ♪ 1100 00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:37,446 ♪ Sleepin' you're on your tippy toes ♪ 1101 00:46:37,576 --> 00:46:40,710 ♪ Creepin' around like no one knows ♪ 1102 00:46:40,841 --> 00:46:43,713 ♪ Think you're so criminal 1103 00:46:43,844 --> 00:46:45,628 [Exposito] She has a vision 1104 00:46:45,758 --> 00:46:49,458 for the future of pop and rock music. 1105 00:46:49,588 --> 00:46:51,460 "Why are they even separate things?" 1106 00:46:51,590 --> 00:46:54,637 is something that, like, Billie Eilish would ask. 1107 00:46:54,767 --> 00:46:57,640 ♪ My soul? So cynical 1108 00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:59,076 ♪ So you're a tough guy 1109 00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:01,078 ♪ Like it really rough guy 1110 00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:04,038 [Exposito] Billie Eilish harnessed her image 1111 00:47:04,168 --> 00:47:05,517 in a way that I think 1112 00:47:05,648 --> 00:47:07,519 a lot of teen girls in the music industry 1113 00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:09,086 are discouraged from. 1114 00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:11,523 ♪ Might seduce your dad type 1115 00:47:11,654 --> 00:47:14,439 ♪ I'm the bad guy 1116 00:47:14,570 --> 00:47:15,440 Duh! 1117 00:47:15,571 --> 00:47:18,966 ♪♪♪ 1118 00:47:19,096 --> 00:47:20,750 [Exposito] She has made strides 1119 00:47:20,881 --> 00:47:23,057 for women in pop and rock music 1120 00:47:23,187 --> 00:47:25,886 by blurring those lines. 1121 00:47:26,016 --> 00:47:28,497 ♪ Bad... 1122 00:47:29,846 --> 00:47:32,501 [crowd cheering] 1123 00:47:32,631 --> 00:47:35,460 I watched the Billie Eilish documentary. 1124 00:47:35,591 --> 00:47:36,635 It was fabulous. 1125 00:47:36,766 --> 00:47:37,941 ♪♪♪ 1126 00:47:38,072 --> 00:47:40,117 [Benatar] Progress that I see 1127 00:47:40,248 --> 00:47:42,511 is that it probably never occurred to her 1128 00:47:42,641 --> 00:47:43,773 that she couldn't do it. 1129 00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:46,080 That right there is everything. 1130 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:47,995 When we were doing it, 1131 00:47:48,125 --> 00:47:50,475 not only did it occur to us that we couldn't do it, 1132 00:47:50,606 --> 00:47:52,434 roadblocks, roadblocks, roadblocks. 1133 00:47:52,564 --> 00:47:53,696 If you weren't throwing them down for yourself, 1134 00:47:53,826 --> 00:47:56,612 someone was throwing them in front of you. 1135 00:47:56,742 --> 00:48:00,964 I don't think it even is in her lexicon of thought 1136 00:48:01,095 --> 00:48:03,488 that, "I can't be this person. 1137 00:48:03,619 --> 00:48:04,533 "People can't tell me what to do. 1138 00:48:04,663 --> 00:48:06,404 You can't make me." 1139 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:08,580 The thing I admire about all of them now 1140 00:48:08,711 --> 00:48:11,714 is that they start out with not even an inkling 1141 00:48:11,844 --> 00:48:13,542 of, "You can't..." you know, 1142 00:48:13,672 --> 00:48:15,500 "I have to do anything that you say." 1143 00:48:15,631 --> 00:48:17,111 They start out with, "I don't have to do anything you say," 1144 00:48:17,241 --> 00:48:18,634 and I love that part. 1145 00:48:18,764 --> 00:48:20,070 That's the big change. 1146 00:48:23,595 --> 00:48:24,901 [Crow] I turn on the radio now, 1147 00:48:25,032 --> 00:48:26,555 and I hear Phoebe Bridgers, 1148 00:48:26,685 --> 00:48:27,773 and Courtney Barnett, 1149 00:48:27,904 --> 00:48:29,775 and I am Shazam-ing like crazy 1150 00:48:29,906 --> 00:48:31,777 to find out who are these women, 1151 00:48:31,908 --> 00:48:33,344 and I'm downloading the music, 1152 00:48:33,475 --> 00:48:35,999 and I'm learning their songs, 1153 00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:37,827 and they are making me better, 1154 00:48:37,958 --> 00:48:40,003 and they're making me feel, 1155 00:48:40,134 --> 00:48:43,441 and that's what I did when I was a kid, 1156 00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:46,183 and it's giving me hope about the future 1157 00:48:46,314 --> 00:48:50,144 of what not just female music looks like, 1158 00:48:50,274 --> 00:48:52,973 but what art looks like. 1159 00:48:53,103 --> 00:48:57,020 There's just so many artists now that are so good, 1160 00:48:57,151 --> 00:48:59,588 and I don't know if it's because they all have a platform now 1161 00:48:59,718 --> 00:49:01,024 on social media, 1162 00:49:01,155 --> 00:49:02,852 so you just are aware of more of them, 1163 00:49:02,983 --> 00:49:05,159 or if there's more people in the world, or what, 1164 00:49:05,289 --> 00:49:06,595 but there's always someone 1165 00:49:06,725 --> 00:49:07,596 that somebody is telling me about 1166 00:49:07,726 --> 00:49:09,902 that I'm blown away by, you know? 1167 00:49:10,903 --> 00:49:13,123 I love Brittany Howard. I love her last album. 1168 00:49:13,254 --> 00:49:15,604 I love watching her do anything. 1169 00:49:15,734 --> 00:49:18,607 She's such an incredible performer, 1170 00:49:18,737 --> 00:49:21,131 and I love her high falsetto thing she does. 1171 00:49:21,262 --> 00:49:22,741 I want to sing harmonies with her someday. 1172 00:49:22,872 --> 00:49:23,742 [chuckles] 1173 00:49:25,527 --> 00:49:27,398 [Syd] So much has changed 1174 00:49:27,529 --> 00:49:29,531 since I started in the industry. 1175 00:49:31,054 --> 00:49:33,491 It feels like there's room for everyone... 1176 00:49:33,622 --> 00:49:34,797 [chuckles] 1177 00:49:34,927 --> 00:49:37,147 where it maybe didn't feel that way before. 1178 00:49:37,278 --> 00:49:39,149 Feels like there's a space for everyone, 1179 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,196 there's an audience for everyone. 1180 00:49:42,326 --> 00:49:43,806 Just moving things forward, 1181 00:49:43,936 --> 00:49:46,765 moving the culture forward, you know? 1182 00:49:49,116 --> 00:49:50,073 [McLachlan] A lot of young artists 1183 00:49:50,204 --> 00:49:51,988 and a lot of young women witnessed us 1184 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:53,555 breaking new ground 1185 00:49:53,685 --> 00:49:56,210 and living our dreams, essentially, 1186 00:49:56,340 --> 00:49:57,863 and being successful, 1187 00:49:57,994 --> 00:50:00,562 being exactly who we were, and how we wanted to be, 1188 00:50:00,692 --> 00:50:01,563 and how we wanted to show up in the world. 1189 00:50:03,608 --> 00:50:05,175 [Nona Hendryx] The legacy, I think, 1190 00:50:05,306 --> 00:50:08,222 is that we changed 1191 00:50:08,352 --> 00:50:11,312 how girl groups of color were seen, you know, 1192 00:50:11,442 --> 00:50:14,663 what they would create for themselves. 1193 00:50:16,273 --> 00:50:18,449 [Twain] There's something very liberating 1194 00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:19,929 about being able to take on 1195 00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,279 a rock 'n' roll attitude, 1196 00:50:22,410 --> 00:50:24,890 and it's a huge privilege 1197 00:50:25,021 --> 00:50:27,023 to be a woman with that edge, 1198 00:50:27,154 --> 00:50:28,111 so I kind of feel like 1199 00:50:28,242 --> 00:50:29,721 being a woman in rock 'n' roll 1200 00:50:29,852 --> 00:50:31,723 is way more fun, 1201 00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:34,204 and there's something very glamorous and sexy 1202 00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:36,728 about being a woman in rock. 1203 00:50:36,859 --> 00:50:39,166 To have a chance to bond 1204 00:50:39,296 --> 00:50:43,257 with girls that had a like view 1205 00:50:43,387 --> 00:50:46,260 of women in music as I did, 1206 00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:48,175 it felt very liberating. 1207 00:50:48,305 --> 00:50:51,700 I think it's partly about the music, 1208 00:50:51,830 --> 00:50:54,790 but it's also a lot about the attitude 1209 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,141 and the message you're trying to get across. 1210 00:50:59,838 --> 00:51:01,275 [Kate Pierson] Let your freak flag fly. 1211 00:51:01,405 --> 00:51:02,972 Follow your path of heart. 1212 00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,496 You know, just do music that comes from your heart, 1213 00:51:05,627 --> 00:51:06,889 because that's what we did. 1214 00:51:07,019 --> 00:51:08,586 People have told me, 1215 00:51:08,717 --> 00:51:10,675 "Oh, you got me through high school. 1216 00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:12,286 You got me through a difficult time. 1217 00:51:12,416 --> 00:51:14,114 Your band was mostly gay, 1218 00:51:14,244 --> 00:51:17,117 and it really helped me come out," 1219 00:51:17,247 --> 00:51:19,728 so... rock on. 1220 00:51:22,426 --> 00:51:23,732 [Jody Watley] As an artist, 1221 00:51:23,862 --> 00:51:26,169 don't be afraid to grow and change, 1222 00:51:26,300 --> 00:51:28,693 and don't get stuck in a rut 1223 00:51:28,824 --> 00:51:30,565 in trying to be something you're not. 1224 00:51:30,695 --> 00:51:32,349 [Gray] If you're a successful artist, 1225 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,785 it's because you love it, 1226 00:51:33,916 --> 00:51:36,005 because there's too much shit to do to get there. 1227 00:51:36,136 --> 00:51:37,006 There's too much to put up with, 1228 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:39,269 and money's not enough 1229 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,750 for all that you have to do, and endure, 1230 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,405 and put up with, and work at as an artist. 1231 00:51:44,535 --> 00:51:47,190 You know, you have to really love it, 1232 00:51:47,321 --> 00:51:49,627 or be committed to it, or something. 1233 00:51:49,758 --> 00:51:50,976 Something else has to be going on 1234 00:51:51,107 --> 00:51:51,890 besides the money and the fame. 1235 00:51:54,023 --> 00:51:55,155 [Chaka Khan] You know what? 1236 00:51:55,285 --> 00:51:57,200 It is so hard today 1237 00:51:57,331 --> 00:51:59,028 for any woman [laughs] 1238 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,379 to embark on entertainment. 1239 00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:05,121 It's tough, tough, tough, tough, tough. 1240 00:52:05,252 --> 00:52:09,952 My biggest hope are young artists, 1241 00:52:10,082 --> 00:52:13,651 but you gotta pay some dues, you know? 1242 00:52:16,132 --> 00:52:17,438 [Susanna Hoffs] Songs are about feelings. 1243 00:52:17,568 --> 00:52:19,440 Songs are about the lived experience, 1244 00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:23,226 our lives, what matters to us, what hurts, 1245 00:52:23,357 --> 00:52:26,011 what gives us chills, what thrills us. 1246 00:52:26,142 --> 00:52:30,799 There is an aspect of that as to why we do this. 1247 00:52:30,929 --> 00:52:33,367 It's sharing something that we've loved. 1248 00:52:35,325 --> 00:52:37,240 [Norah Jones] If you're loving what you're doing, 1249 00:52:37,371 --> 00:52:40,852 and trying to always gather new things to throw at it, 1250 00:52:40,983 --> 00:52:42,854 and putting your heart and your energy into it, 1251 00:52:42,985 --> 00:52:46,336 you know, I think that's all you can do. 1252 00:52:46,467 --> 00:52:47,990 This is what I've done all my life. 1253 00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:53,778 I think you're just gonna have to drag me offstage. 1254 00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:56,172 There won't be no quitting for me. 1255 00:52:56,303 --> 00:52:58,827 No retirement, no quitting. 1256 00:52:58,957 --> 00:53:01,482 I'm going to sing until I can't sing no more. 1257 00:53:01,612 --> 00:53:03,745 -If I stop singing... -It'd be hard to stop. 1258 00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:06,269 -It will be hard. -[laughing] Yeah. 1259 00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:10,795 [St. Vincent] It is slow and steady, 1260 00:53:10,926 --> 00:53:13,276 but I think there really has been growth 1261 00:53:13,407 --> 00:53:16,845 in terms of women having more autonomy. 1262 00:53:16,975 --> 00:53:17,846 They're getting to be 1263 00:53:17,976 --> 00:53:22,067 not just one female voice in the room, 1264 00:53:22,198 --> 00:53:26,115 not pitting female artists against one another 1265 00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:28,378 and saying, "Well, there can only be one, 1266 00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:30,075 so who's it going to be?" 1267 00:53:30,206 --> 00:53:33,165 It's like, no, there's plenty of room for all of us. 1268 00:53:33,296 --> 00:53:35,080 We all do very different things, 1269 00:53:35,211 --> 00:53:37,344 and if we're here, we deserve to be here, so... 1270 00:53:40,956 --> 00:53:42,827 go fuck yourself, you know what I mean? 1271 00:53:44,438 --> 00:53:47,092 [Nancy Wilson] Women who rock, they're not scared. 1272 00:53:47,223 --> 00:53:48,920 They're not timid. 1273 00:53:49,051 --> 00:53:50,139 They can kick ass. 1274 00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:53,055 I like being a woman who rocks. 1275 00:53:53,185 --> 00:53:54,883 [laughs] 1276 00:53:56,058 --> 00:53:59,888 ♪♪♪