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[ominous piano music playing]

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[AI Andy] <i>I guess I can't put off
talking about it any longer.</i>

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<i>Wednesday, the day my
biggest nightmare came true.</i>

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<i>The signing was on the second floor
on the balcony.</i>

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[crowd chattering]

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[camera shuttering]

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<i>I had been signing</i> America <i>books
for an hour or so.</i>

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[chattering]

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<i>When this girl in line
handed me hers to sign.</i>

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[ominous piano music continues]

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<i>She was really pretty,
a nice-looking, well-dressed girl.</i>

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<i>And then she...</i>

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<i>she did what she did.</i>

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<i>And the diary can write itself here.</i>

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[swooshing and camera shuttering]

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<i>There were so many people with cameras.</i>

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<i>It was so shocking.</i>

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<i>It hurt...</i>

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<i>physically.</i>

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<i>And it hurt that nobody had warned me.</i>

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[deep violin music playing]

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<i>You know, you're in this place
and everybody's being so nice.</i>

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<i>And you don't think anything will happen.</i>

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[chatting and laughing]

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<i>I don't know what held me back
from pushing her over the balcony.</i>

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<i>And I had just gotten
another magic crystal,</i>

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<i>which is supposed to protect me
and keep things like this from happening.</i>

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<i>It was like in a movie.</i>

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<i>It was like getting shot again.</i>

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- [camera shutters like gunshot]
- <i>It wasn't real.</i>

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<i>I was just a comedian there.</i>

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<i>Pleasing the people.</i>

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[soft piano music playing]

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<i>I was pretending
that it didn't mean anything</i>

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<i>and eventually it doesn't.</i>

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<i>You have to live with it.</i>

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<i>When I got home, I had two English muffins
with margarine and garlic,</i>

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<i>which isn't so good for my gallbladder.</i>

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<i>And I tried the Campbell's dry soup.</i>

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[piano music continues and intensifies]

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<i>It was good.</i>

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<i>And then Pat called</i>

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<i>and told me she was proud of me,</i>

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<i>and that I was a great man,</i>

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<i>and that sure was a first.</i>

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<i>So that's that.</i>

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<i>And now I never have
to talk about it again.</i>

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[dial tone ends with a click]

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[silence]

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[opening music:
"Nature Boy" by Nat King Cole]

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<i>♪ There was a boy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ A very strange enchanted boy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ They say he wandered very far ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Very far ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Over land and sea ♪</i>

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<i>♪ A little shy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And sad of eye ♪</i>

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<i>♪ But very wise ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Was he ♪</i>

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<i>♪ The greatest thing ♪</i>

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<i>♪ You'll ever learn ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Is just to love ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And be loved ♪</i>

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<i>♪ In return ♪</i>

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[light piano music playing]

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[Daniela Morera] Andy was
a very lonely person,

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desperate for love throughout his life.

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[camera clicks and whirs]

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When he was a young boy
and he understood that he was gay,

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the love that he wanted to express
to other young boys was impossible.

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So, it was suffering.

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Everything was suffering inside.

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After meeting all these crazy,
underground artists in New York,

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it's another story
because he could really have

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whatever kind of sex he wanted to have.

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And the sad story with Jon Gould.

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Andy was very much in love with him,
but suffering inside.

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It's a story of suffering.

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And all his work creates
so many questions.

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I mean, look at the electric chairs.

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This is the dark side that Warhol has.

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It's not all pop
and bright colors and silver pillows.

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Like for instance,
the death and disaster series.

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They're hard to see, those paintings.

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[piano music continues]

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People find those images compelling,

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and people slow down
when there's a wreck on the freeway.

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There's something about it.
It's repellent, but it's seductive.

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And I think
Warhol understood that profoundly.

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[Donna de Salvo] They are
amongst, I think,

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the most searing paintings
that Warhol ever made.

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They're a kind of study on death.

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[Emile de Antonio] When I filmed
Andy myself, for instance, I asked him

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why he chose so many themes
of violence in his paintings.

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Why the electric chair?

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Why dead women in front of a car?
Why the widow of a president?

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Why airplane crashes, disasters?

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He as usual refused
to give a direct answer,

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but the answer really is

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that the paintings are
a comment and a commentary

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about the kind of world in which we live.

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[piano music continues]

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[Donna de Salvo] It's like,
you really want to dig deep.

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You know, America's a very complex,
violent, crazy culture

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filled with amazing opportunity,

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and Warhol just engenders
all of those unbelievable contradictions.

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So, it's not as if Warhol is hidden.

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There are things that you can see
in the work if you look for it.

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And even the <i>Diaries</i>,

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a lot of people tend
not to see the darker side.

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[camera clicks and whirs]

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[AI Andy] <i>Wilfredo picked me up.</i>

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<i>And we went to the Perry Ellis show.</i>

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[piano music continues]

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[chattering and commotion]

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[whistling and applause]

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[cameras shuttering]

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<i>And at the end, there was a pause.</i>

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<i>And they carried Perry out.</i>

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<i>and some people were crying.</i>

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<i>They said he had AIDS.</i>

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<i>Before they had been saying
that he was just upset</i>

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<i>and having a nervous breakdown
because his boyfriend died of it.</i>

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All this week we are concentrating
on the fear and the facts about AIDS.

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There is so much fear that the public
now ranks AIDS along with cancer

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as the nation's greatest health problem.

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There are AIDS victims
who can't find a bed to die in,

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or an ambulance to take them there,
or a Funeral Parlor to bury them.

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[piano music continues]

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[AI Andy] <i>How do these doctors really feel
about sick people?</i>

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<i>Do they care about you
and really want you to get better?</i>

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<i>Or is it just a business?</i>

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<i>I mean, I think about doing portraits,</i>

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<i>and do I really care if they look good?</i>

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- <i>Or is it just a job?</i>
- [applause]

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<i>And that's just a superficial thing.</i>

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<i>It's not life and death.</i>

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<i>Really... what is life about?</i>

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<i>You get sick and die...</i>

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[chattering]

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<i>...that's it.</i>

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[applause]

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<i>So, you've just got to keep busy.</i>

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[camera clicks and whirs]

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I think Warhol was not taken seriously
as an artist for a long time.

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That must have been devastating
for him in the 1980s

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to think, "I've used up all of my ideas.

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I've trashed my career

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because of my obsession with media
and celebrity and being out there."

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[piano music continues]

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The art world was not having it,

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but I think what we're starting
to understand now is,

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some of that work was
really incredibly powerful,

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especially the work
that kind of returned to Catholic imagery,

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that talked in an indirect way
about this sense of doom in New York City

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that surely is related to the AIDS crisis.

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[piano music ends]

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[Jerry Falwell] I do believe

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that certainly AIDS, venereal diseases,
all of these kinds of things,

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is a definite form
of the judgment of God upon a society.

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[camera clicks and whirs]

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You had the 700 Club, PTL Club,
Jerry Falwell saying every day

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that AIDS is God's punishment
for being gay.

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[soft atmospheric music playing]

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I remember going to Unity Church uptown.

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It was filled with gay men.

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There was nowhere else to turn.

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So, a lot of people were turning to God.

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Warhol was going to mass every Sunday
and sort of stayed a good Catholic boy,

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even though his lifestyle would
seemingly be the opposite, you know.

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How do you reconcile those things?

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[atmospheric music continues]

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[AI Andy] <i>I'm trying to find another store</i>

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<i>that sells the sculpture
of </i>The Last Supper,

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<i>but it's so expensive,</i>

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<i>about $2,500.</i>

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<i>So, I'm trying to find it cheaper
in Times Square.</i>

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<i>I'm doing </i>The Last Supper <i>for Iolas.</i>

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<i>And I'm also doing </i>The Volcanoes.

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<i>So, I guess I'm a commercial artist.</i>

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<i>I guess that's the score.</i>

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There was this very specific commission
with Alexander Iolas

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to honor DaVinci's <i>Last Supper</i>.

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[heavenly music playing]

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[Benjamin Liu] The great Iolas.

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[camera clicks and whirs]

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He was an art dealer.

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A little Greek guy
that wore platform shoes.

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[laughs]

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I like him though. I love him.

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[Jessica Beck] Alexander Iolas was
Warhol's first show ever in New York

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for drawings that he did.

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So, there's this real connection with him.

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[up-tempo keyboard music playing]

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For those <i>Last Supper </i>paintings,

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Warhol does a series of large canvases
that are beautiful and striking,

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and I think it was 22 works
specifically for that commission.

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[Daniela Morera] Andy and <i>The Last Supper</i>,
together, this combination,

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I think that created fire really
in the artistic world,

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and it opens a totally new Andy Warhol.

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He made the most
incredible, gigantic painting,

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also changing <i>The Last Supper </i>completely.

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There is a part
that belongs to the real <i>Ultima Cena</i>,

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but it's only inspired.

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There is an enormous production.

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[up-tempo keyboard music continues]

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[Jessica Beck] He does
a yellow <i>Last Supper</i>,

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sometimes flips the screen over
so that it's two vantage points.

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And there's a lot of repetition.

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He does a camouflage <i>Last Supper</i>.

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[softer music playing]

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[Daniela Morera] To use camouflage,
which is war,

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which is an element of war,

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I mean, that's it.

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You cannot explain it differently.

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And having a religious image
and juxtaposing the two of them.

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I mean, he has a vision.

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I don't know who the expert is
who can really explain it.

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With a great artist,
there are multiple interpretations.

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There's no one interpretation
of <i>The Last Supper</i>,

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or the Marilyn, or of any of Andy's works.

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With the late self-portraits,

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it's part of the whole
identity issue with Andy,

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of him passing into
mainstream society as a gay man

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that the real Andy is camouflaged.

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Very, very meaningful works.

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[soft piano music playing]

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<i>The Last Supper </i>is a summation
of Andy's whole artistic enterprise.

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So first it's going back
to the hand painting,

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his deep Catholicism,

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his identification
with Christ and the disciples

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is possibly a gay fraternity.

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It's also a response
to the death of Jon Gould

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and the bleak environment
of the mid-1980s in New York.

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[soft piano music continues]

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And the part of what
Duchamp introduced is the idea

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that it's the viewer
who completes the work of art.

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So yes, we can bring our own
experience to Andy.

239
00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,927
So, it's not just the artist.

240
00:15:27,010 --> 00:15:30,807
It's us viewing the work who activates it.

241
00:15:32,267 --> 00:15:34,352
[camera clicks and whirs]

242
00:15:35,477 --> 00:15:39,857
For me, I really embrace Warhol as someone
that's inspirational for my own life.

243
00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:43,152
[up-tempo electric organ music playing]

244
00:15:44,695 --> 00:15:47,907
We claim him now,
we claim him as being this queer icon,

245
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:51,535
but it's hard to think like,
well, did he actually reject the community

246
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:53,162
or could he have done more?

247
00:15:54,453 --> 00:15:56,998
[AI Andy] <i>We went
and watched the gay day parade.</i>

248
00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:00,627
<i>The gay cops and I got the biggest clap.</i>

249
00:16:02,588 --> 00:16:03,922
<i>And I took photos.</i>

250
00:16:06,675 --> 00:16:11,180
<i>All the beauties must have been shopping
in SoHo or out on Fire Island.</i>

251
00:16:12,307 --> 00:16:14,808
<i>Because they sure weren't in this parade.</i>

252
00:16:15,727 --> 00:16:17,687
<i>It looked like Halloween,</i>

253
00:16:17,768 --> 00:16:19,730
<i>but without the costumes.</i>

254
00:16:19,813 --> 00:16:22,858
[José Diaz] During the AIDS crisis,
Warhol was sort of...

255
00:16:22,942 --> 00:16:25,903
you know, according to the <i>Diaries</i>,
I think he was scared.

256
00:16:25,987 --> 00:16:29,072
Scared of getting sick,
I think, versus being compassionate,

257
00:16:29,157 --> 00:16:31,742
or the activist
he possibly could have been.

258
00:16:32,743 --> 00:16:35,872
[AI Andy] <i>And they say
that these kids who have sex all the time</i>

259
00:16:35,953 --> 00:16:37,413
<i>have it in their semen.</i>

260
00:16:37,497 --> 00:16:39,625
[softer organ music playing]

261
00:16:41,502 --> 00:16:45,338
<i>I'm worried that I could get it
by drinking out of the same glass.</i>

262
00:16:48,383 --> 00:16:51,387
<i>Or just being around these kids
who go to the baths.</i>

263
00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:53,222
[soft jazz music playing]

264
00:16:53,305 --> 00:16:55,223
<i>And I mean, I get so nervous.</i>

265
00:16:57,935 --> 00:17:00,562
<i>I don't even do anything,
and I could get it.</i>

266
00:17:01,647 --> 00:17:03,607
At times, it can seem a bit selfish

267
00:17:03,690 --> 00:17:05,652
that he was maybe only interested

268
00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:07,778
in his own queer circle or his own life.

269
00:17:09,655 --> 00:17:12,533
[Jessica Beck] The queer
scholarship discussed this way

270
00:17:12,617 --> 00:17:14,702
that Warhol essentially failed AIDS,

271
00:17:14,785 --> 00:17:19,457
that Warhol wasn't the political
activist artist that people wanted.

272
00:17:19,540 --> 00:17:25,212
I think the important thing is to realize
that Warhol is also a Catholic,

273
00:17:25,295 --> 00:17:27,882
and he's still going to church.

274
00:17:27,965 --> 00:17:33,345
And contributing to this movement
to bring attention to AIDS

275
00:17:33,428 --> 00:17:36,473
was never going to be Warhol's story.

276
00:17:36,557 --> 00:17:39,142
When you can come to terms with that,

277
00:17:39,227 --> 00:17:43,522
then you can actually see that late work
as this real expression,

278
00:17:43,605 --> 00:17:45,898
as a personal expression with Warhol,

279
00:17:45,983 --> 00:17:48,652
of a way to think about Christ

280
00:17:48,735 --> 00:17:53,240
as being this face of empathy
or forgiveness of AIDS.

281
00:17:57,912 --> 00:18:02,748
<i>The Big C </i>is a painting that happens
during this whole <i>Last Supper </i>period.

282
00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:08,672
It wasn't until I found
in the archives the source material,

283
00:18:08,755 --> 00:18:14,595
which is pieces of <i>New York Post </i>headlines
taped together that has the word AIDS,

284
00:18:14,678 --> 00:18:16,097
that I started thinking,

285
00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:20,977
there's a lot going on in this painting
that no one has talked about before.

286
00:18:21,058 --> 00:18:24,147
[harp strumming and piano playing]

287
00:18:27,608 --> 00:18:31,320
There's this idea
that somehow he failed AIDS in a way

288
00:18:31,403 --> 00:18:34,740
and I thought to myself,
no one has ever given Warhol credit

289
00:18:34,823 --> 00:18:37,868
to respond to this crisis
in a way in the work.

290
00:18:38,912 --> 00:18:45,083
And what I find in this work
is such an echo to early Warhol,

291
00:18:46,502 --> 00:18:51,423
this idea of using
advertising symbolism as language,

292
00:18:51,507 --> 00:18:54,008
to have the Wise potato chip eye.

293
00:18:54,092 --> 00:18:58,347
This idea of there's
an omnipresence of God.

294
00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:01,058
[harp and piano music continues]

295
00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:07,188
There's this whole history
of the sexualized motorcycle man.

296
00:19:13,612 --> 00:19:15,113
[camera clicks and whirs]

297
00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:17,783
[whistling]

298
00:19:17,867 --> 00:19:23,080
One of his earliest screen print paintings
is of Marlon Brando on a motorcycle,

299
00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:25,040
this iconic image of him.

300
00:19:25,958 --> 00:19:29,043
I think the thing
you can't ever take out of it for him,

301
00:19:29,127 --> 00:19:30,837
are these queer references.

302
00:19:30,922 --> 00:19:33,798
[harp and piano music continues]

303
00:19:39,472 --> 00:19:42,642
<i>The Mark of the Beast </i>is another
black and white advertisement

304
00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:45,643
that Warhol does that is <i>666</i>.

305
00:19:45,727 --> 00:19:49,565
And so, you could play with these numbers
and flip them around in that way,

306
00:19:49,648 --> 00:19:52,652
and those paintings in particular
read so directly for me

307
00:19:52,733 --> 00:19:55,697
to the language
that is being used around AIDS.

308
00:19:55,778 --> 00:19:59,032
So, you have <i>Mark of the Beast</i>, <i>666</i>,

309
00:19:59,117 --> 00:20:01,535
you have
<i>Heaven and Hell are One Breath Away</i>,

310
00:20:01,618 --> 00:20:03,828
<i>Repent and Sin No More.</i>

311
00:20:03,912 --> 00:20:07,248
And this reference is
really powerful, I think,

312
00:20:07,332 --> 00:20:11,670
at this late point in Warhol's career
when he's thinking a lot about death.

313
00:20:11,753 --> 00:20:14,923
People in his life very close to him
have passed away

314
00:20:15,632 --> 00:20:20,387
from a disease that is wrapped around
a moral crisis and wrapped around shame.

315
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:23,892
Warhol's making all of this work
together at the same time.

316
00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:26,058
[music fades]

317
00:20:26,143 --> 00:20:30,105
And to have Christ
with this real emphasis on the face,

318
00:20:30,188 --> 00:20:34,818
with his eyes looking down
at his gesture of his hand,

319
00:20:34,902 --> 00:20:36,778
which is all about forgiveness.

320
00:20:36,862 --> 00:20:37,988
[camera whirring]

321
00:20:38,072 --> 00:20:39,407
Oh, the sun's coming out!

322
00:20:39,488 --> 00:20:42,533
- Photograph the sun coming up.
- [Andy] This is Jonny.

323
00:20:42,618 --> 00:20:44,787
[soft piano music playing]

324
00:20:45,662 --> 00:20:48,248
[Jessica Beck] Maybe that's
forgiveness for Warhol himself,

325
00:20:48,332 --> 00:20:52,793
thinking about operating
what would be perceived in his faith

326
00:20:52,878 --> 00:20:54,922
as a sinful existence.

327
00:20:55,757 --> 00:20:58,258
[harp strumming and choral singing]

328
00:20:59,258 --> 00:21:02,638
There's a conversation happening
around faith and sexuality,

329
00:21:02,722 --> 00:21:06,142
and fear, and forgiveness, and guilt.

330
00:21:06,225 --> 00:21:09,393
And when you piece together
this love story,

331
00:21:09,478 --> 00:21:12,688
all of these things explode on the canvas.

332
00:21:19,863 --> 00:21:25,243
For me, it was like, wow,
<i>The Big C </i>is synonymous with gay cancer.

333
00:21:25,327 --> 00:21:28,872
It's a way to say
AIDS is part of the conversation

334
00:21:28,957 --> 00:21:30,748
that's happening on that canvas.

335
00:21:30,832 --> 00:21:34,712
And it's connected to how
Warhol's thinking about Christ.

336
00:21:34,795 --> 00:21:38,882
So, I think that this quote of his,
that his work is one-dimensional

337
00:21:38,967 --> 00:21:42,593
and, "if you want to know anything
about my work, there's nothing there,"

338
00:21:42,678 --> 00:21:44,805
is really just not true.

339
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:51,520
So now when you see <i>The Last Supper</i>,
the drama cannot be overstated.

340
00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:54,982
[camera clicks and whirs]

341
00:21:57,192 --> 00:21:59,695
[AI Andy] <i>I'm deciding
when to go to Milan.</i>

342
00:22:00,903 --> 00:22:04,283
<i>My </i>Last Supper <i>show for
Iolas is the Thursday after next.</i>

343
00:22:05,993 --> 00:22:08,495
<i>I just can't face going to Europe.</i>

344
00:22:09,413 --> 00:22:11,163
<i>It's so cold over there.</i>

345
00:22:13,708 --> 00:22:18,672
<i>Fell asleep with MTV on
and had rock video nightmares.</i>

346
00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:20,548
[muffled rock mix]

347
00:22:20,632 --> 00:22:23,302
[camera clicks and whirs]

348
00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,220
[ambient music]

349
00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:27,598
<i>Got up at 6 a.m. and packed.</i>

350
00:22:28,598 --> 00:22:32,143
<i>The weather in New York was great,
and I hated to leave it.</i>

351
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:35,230
<i>Chris Makos picked me up.</i>

352
00:22:37,357 --> 00:22:39,943
[car horns honking]

353
00:22:41,987 --> 00:22:43,530
[Chris Makos] It's so ironic

354
00:22:43,613 --> 00:22:46,783
that this whole <i>Last Supper </i>thing
is the very last trip.

355
00:22:47,618 --> 00:22:48,952
[plane buzzing]

356
00:22:51,872 --> 00:22:54,875
[music fades]

357
00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,672
[AI Andy] <i>Woke up in Milan.</i>

358
00:22:59,755 --> 00:23:04,593
["Time (Clock Of The Heart)"
by Culture Club plays]

359
00:23:08,638 --> 00:23:11,975
<i>Went to the gallery
for the 11 a.m. press conference.</i>

360
00:23:14,312 --> 00:23:17,813
[Daniela Morera] Andy arrived
in <i>Milano </i>very, very ill.

361
00:23:17,898 --> 00:23:20,483
He had gallbladder pain,

362
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:23,070
his face was like a skeleton.

363
00:23:24,530 --> 00:23:26,698
[AI Andy] <i>250 press people.</i>

364
00:23:28,575 --> 00:23:30,118
<i>It was scary and stupid.</i>

365
00:23:31,162 --> 00:23:33,330
[cameras shuttering]

366
00:23:33,413 --> 00:23:36,917
[Daniela Morera] They were asking him
many kinds of questions,

367
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,752
and Andy didn't answer.

368
00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:40,295
And at the end they said,

369
00:23:40,378 --> 00:23:44,758
"What is really
the Italian culture for you?"

370
00:23:44,842 --> 00:23:45,968
And Andy said,

371
00:23:46,052 --> 00:23:47,762
"I love spaghetti."

372
00:23:49,597 --> 00:23:50,597
Come on.

373
00:23:51,098 --> 00:23:52,517
He's teasing all of us.

374
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:54,017
He's smarter than that.

375
00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:58,438
[Chris Makos] I'd been around
so many famous people

376
00:23:58,522 --> 00:24:01,733
and there was never
this kind of rock star feeling.

377
00:24:01,817 --> 00:24:04,528
I mean, people would
just swarm all around Andy

378
00:24:04,612 --> 00:24:07,447
like, you know, some kind of God.

379
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,408
This is the time for the pictures.

380
00:24:10,492 --> 00:24:12,995
Then it's <i>basta</i>, <i>finito</i>, okay? Go ahead.

381
00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,955
[AI Andy] <i>Got that all over with.</i>

382
00:24:15,497 --> 00:24:18,667
[chattering]

383
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:22,753
<i>Found Iolas in the VIP room.</i>

384
00:24:22,838 --> 00:24:24,840
[soft piano music playing]

385
00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:30,262
<i>He was like a little old lady
wrapped up in fabric.</i>

386
00:24:31,805 --> 00:24:35,808
<i>We found out later that he had come out
of the hospital just to pick us up.</i>

387
00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:39,397
<i>Iolas was really sweet.</i>

388
00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:44,860
<i>He had to be driven back to the hospital.</i>

389
00:24:46,237 --> 00:24:50,617
[Jessica Beck] Alexander Iolas dies
not too long after that point.

390
00:24:51,283 --> 00:24:53,160
[soft piano music continues]

391
00:24:53,952 --> 00:24:56,497
[chattering]

392
00:24:57,788 --> 00:25:00,417
[AI Andy] <i>Daniela Morera came
and began taking over.</i>

393
00:25:00,500 --> 00:25:03,795
[chattering]

394
00:25:03,878 --> 00:25:06,007
[Daniela Morera] Andy was so down.

395
00:25:06,088 --> 00:25:09,510
The photographers would say,
"We want some action."

396
00:25:09,593 --> 00:25:12,553
I was telling Andy, you know,
"Give me a laugh."

397
00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:14,682
I started to jump.

398
00:25:14,765 --> 00:25:19,437
I always wanted to help him
and to take him out of his pain.

399
00:25:20,647 --> 00:25:24,608
[AI Andy] <i>She said she had the flu,
and I knew I was going to get it from her.</i>

400
00:25:24,692 --> 00:25:25,858
- We'll be back.
- Okay.

401
00:25:25,943 --> 00:25:27,402
[speaking Italian]

402
00:25:27,487 --> 00:25:29,322
[chattering]

403
00:25:30,657 --> 00:25:34,327
[Chris Makos] There was so much going on.
There was a lot of distractions.

404
00:25:34,408 --> 00:25:37,287
There were non-stop dinners
and events and parties.

405
00:25:39,832 --> 00:25:42,042
[AI Andy] <i>Had lunch with Gianni Versace.</i>

406
00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:44,168
<i>Went to his castle.</i>

407
00:25:45,003 --> 00:25:46,003
<i>It was grand.</i>

408
00:25:46,547 --> 00:25:48,048
<i>So glamorous.</i>

409
00:25:51,593 --> 00:25:54,680
<i>Gianni did the costumes
for </i>Salomé <i>at La Scala.</i>

410
00:25:56,098 --> 00:25:57,642
<i>He got us tickets.</i>

411
00:25:59,977 --> 00:26:02,563
<i>Sat in a box seat, watching the Opera.</i>

412
00:26:05,065 --> 00:26:06,942
[chattering]

413
00:26:07,025 --> 00:26:09,362
<i>Then I had to go to a dinner for me.</i>

414
00:26:11,947 --> 00:26:12,948
<i>I ate a lot.</i>

415
00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:17,202
<i>And Daniela was coughing into my food.</i>

416
00:26:18,328 --> 00:26:21,373
<i>I'd been resisting her flu
for two days straight</i>

417
00:26:21,457 --> 00:26:23,625
<i>while she talked into my face.</i>

418
00:26:24,252 --> 00:26:26,253
<i>But finally, I gave in and got it.</i>

419
00:26:26,337 --> 00:26:27,797
[music crescendoes and cuts]

420
00:26:31,008 --> 00:26:34,343
Perhaps I... [coughs]
I did like that. That's it.

421
00:26:34,428 --> 00:26:36,097
And they made such a big story.

422
00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:38,682
I mean, I didn't get sick.
I didn't go to bed.

423
00:26:38,765 --> 00:26:43,187
As a matter of fact, a few days later,
I took the plane and I went to New York.

424
00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:44,270
Huh.

425
00:26:45,772 --> 00:26:48,942
[Chris Makos] He let me know
that he wasn't feeling good.

426
00:26:49,693 --> 00:26:54,782
[AI Andy] <i>Chris came by and ordered soup,
taking my temperature every minute.</i>

427
00:26:54,865 --> 00:26:56,742
<i>It went up and down.</i>

428
00:27:01,705 --> 00:27:06,877
[Chris Makos] Because of being shot,
he had to worry about his gallbladder.

429
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,713
[faint heartbeat]

430
00:27:10,923 --> 00:27:14,552
In his condition, you weren't supposed
to eat heavily fatty things.

431
00:27:15,135 --> 00:27:18,055
And of course, in Italy,
everything is very oily,

432
00:27:18,138 --> 00:27:21,392
and that was sort of
irritating all of his insides.

433
00:27:23,893 --> 00:27:27,688
[AI Andy] <i>My temperature went up to 100,
so I began taking vitamin Cs.</i>

434
00:27:27,773 --> 00:27:29,398
[heart beating]

435
00:27:29,483 --> 00:27:31,443
<i>And my stomach got sour.</i>

436
00:27:32,068 --> 00:27:35,322
<i>And I kept taking Valiums
and not being able to sleep.</i>

437
00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:38,492
<i>Went home just exhausted.</i>

438
00:27:38,575 --> 00:27:41,162
[Chris Makos] I remember
coming home on the Concorde,

439
00:27:41,245 --> 00:27:43,705
feeling we couldn't
come home fast enough.

440
00:27:43,788 --> 00:27:46,458
[low piano music playing]

441
00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:51,880
[AI Andy] <i>We got to New York.</i>

442
00:27:51,963 --> 00:27:54,048
<i>I really wasn't feeling well.</i>

443
00:27:55,092 --> 00:27:56,593
[chattering]

444
00:27:56,677 --> 00:27:58,887
<i>Vincent was doing the TV show</i>

445
00:27:58,972 --> 00:28:01,682
<i>and there were
no celebrity hosts available.</i>

446
00:28:01,765 --> 00:28:03,517
<i>So, we used a cute girl model.</i>

447
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,060
Wasn't that romantic?

448
00:28:05,143 --> 00:28:06,395
Do you go out a lot?

449
00:28:06,478 --> 00:28:08,355
No, because I'm working all the time.

450
00:28:08,438 --> 00:28:10,107
- But you know...
- Oh, that's great.

451
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:12,483
Once in a while,
I go on weekend dates, so...

452
00:28:12,568 --> 00:28:14,945
[AI Andy] <i>But when I did
my scenes with her,</i>

453
00:28:15,028 --> 00:28:18,573
<i>I sat in a funny position
and I got a pain.</i>

454
00:28:20,577 --> 00:28:22,662
<i>And it didn't go away.</i>

455
00:28:22,743 --> 00:28:24,497
[piano music continues]

456
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:26,623
[camera clicks and whirs]

457
00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:29,127
I knew there was something weird

458
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:33,422
because we were supposed to go
to a movie and we went to 3rd Avenue,

459
00:28:33,505 --> 00:28:36,592
and just as we were
about to cross the street, Andy said,

460
00:28:36,675 --> 00:28:38,343
"I think I should go home."

461
00:28:39,762 --> 00:28:41,097
[AI Andy] <i>I got scared.</i>

462
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:44,767
<i>And they dropped me off.</i>

463
00:28:47,393 --> 00:28:50,105
<i>I went inside and I locked
the dogs out of the room</i>

464
00:28:50,188 --> 00:28:52,192
<i>because they were bothering me.</i>

465
00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:53,400
<i>And they got mad.</i>

466
00:28:54,193 --> 00:28:56,112
<i>They didn't understand.</i>

467
00:28:58,197 --> 00:29:00,240
<i>I felt a sharp pain.</i>

468
00:29:02,618 --> 00:29:05,120
<i>I guess it was a gallbladder attack.</i>

469
00:29:06,663 --> 00:29:09,292
<i>So now I'm throwing out all the junk food.</i>

470
00:29:09,373 --> 00:29:12,212
[piano music continues]

471
00:29:13,837 --> 00:29:17,633
<i>My philosophy is life is not worth living
if you're not healthy.</i>

472
00:29:18,342 --> 00:29:19,843
<i>And health is wealth.</i>

473
00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,137
<i>It's better than money,</i>

474
00:29:23,222 --> 00:29:24,640
<i>and companionship,</i>

475
00:29:25,517 --> 00:29:26,517
<i>and love,</i>

476
00:29:27,058 --> 00:29:28,560
<i>and everything else.</i>

477
00:29:29,562 --> 00:29:32,232
[camera clicks and whirs]

478
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,817
<i>In the morning, I was preparing myself</i>

479
00:29:35,902 --> 00:29:39,238
<i>for my appearance
in the fashion show at The Tunnel.</i>

480
00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:42,073
He pushed himself.

481
00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:46,620
He didn't allow himself
to let physical things, uh...

482
00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:47,955
you know, stop him.

483
00:29:48,038 --> 00:29:50,667
[camera clicks and whirs]

484
00:29:52,502 --> 00:29:54,920
There was a fashion show at The Tunnel.

485
00:29:55,628 --> 00:29:58,507
Andy was modeling
and I was with him there.

486
00:29:59,173 --> 00:30:01,385
I could tell he was in a lot of pain.

487
00:30:01,468 --> 00:30:04,053
- [soft violin music playing]
- [chattering]

488
00:30:04,137 --> 00:30:08,977
[Benjamin Liu] Usually when Andy has to do
some kind of like a modeling gig,

489
00:30:09,058 --> 00:30:13,272
he would look... [clicks]
like he could really turn it, you know.

490
00:30:14,232 --> 00:30:15,648
[chattering]

491
00:30:15,732 --> 00:30:17,233
[Andy] That looks good!

492
00:30:17,317 --> 00:30:19,862
We'll do anything you want.
Just like, have fun.

493
00:30:19,945 --> 00:30:21,613
[harp strumming]

494
00:30:21,697 --> 00:30:26,118
[Benjamin Liu] I hadn't seen Andy that day
until that moment when he showed up.

495
00:30:26,202 --> 00:30:29,830
I have to say, he doesn't look that great.

496
00:30:31,582 --> 00:30:33,877
[AI Andy] <i>They had sent the clothes over,</i>

497
00:30:34,668 --> 00:30:37,003
<i>and I looked like Liberace in them.</i>

498
00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:40,132
<i>Snakeskin and rabbit fur.</i>

499
00:30:41,842 --> 00:30:45,637
<i>Should I just go all the way
and be the new Liberace?</i>

500
00:30:45,722 --> 00:30:48,015
[harp strumming continues]

501
00:30:48,098 --> 00:30:49,767
<i>Miles Davis was there.</i>

502
00:30:50,392 --> 00:30:53,937
[Andy] Oh, I didn't know
you were an artist! Really?

503
00:30:54,813 --> 00:30:57,065
God, all my friends are
gonna be so jealous.

504
00:30:57,148 --> 00:30:59,777
- Why?
- That I spent some time with you.

505
00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:01,237
- Oh.
- Yeah, they are.

506
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,405
They're really such big fans of yours.

507
00:31:04,072 --> 00:31:08,077
[AI Andy] <i>We made a deal that we'd trade
ten minutes of him playing music for me,</i>

508
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,662
<i>for me doing a portrait.</i>

509
00:31:10,747 --> 00:31:13,498
- I'm gonna do a portrait of you.
- That's a deal now.

510
00:31:13,582 --> 00:31:15,125
- Okay, it's a deal.
- Alright?

511
00:31:15,208 --> 00:31:18,128
- Yeah, it's a deal.
- I love you right now.

512
00:31:18,212 --> 00:31:21,048
- Okay, I'll do a portrait of you.
- Yeah!

513
00:31:21,132 --> 00:31:25,385
["View From A Hill"
by The Chameleons plays]

514
00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:27,847
[audience cheering]

515
00:31:35,187 --> 00:31:37,313
[cheering and whistling]

516
00:31:45,988 --> 00:31:51,370
<i>♪ Feel myself falling to the ground... ♪</i>

517
00:31:51,453 --> 00:31:53,913
[AI Andy] <i>They did
a $5,000 custom outfit for Miles</i>

518
00:31:53,997 --> 00:31:56,708
<i>with gold musical notes
on it and everything.</i>

519
00:31:58,835 --> 00:32:01,380
<i>And they didn't do a thing for me.</i>

520
00:32:01,463 --> 00:32:04,842
<i>They were so mean,
so, I looked like the poor stepchild.</i>

521
00:32:05,508 --> 00:32:09,388
<i>♪ Open my eyes and look around... ♪</i>

522
00:32:09,472 --> 00:32:12,933
[AI Andy] <i>And in the end,
they even told me I walk too slow.</i>

523
00:32:13,642 --> 00:32:15,562
<i>And I really worked my ass off.</i>

524
00:32:15,643 --> 00:32:17,688
[indistinct noise]

525
00:32:22,108 --> 00:32:24,862
[noise intensifies]

526
00:32:24,945 --> 00:32:27,573
[camera clicks and whirs]

527
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:31,493
[low piano music playing]

528
00:32:32,202 --> 00:32:34,037
[AI Andy] <i>I was sleeping so heavily</i>

529
00:32:34,122 --> 00:32:37,165
<i>that I didn't wake up
when Pat called at nine o'clock.</i>

530
00:32:38,375 --> 00:32:40,043
<i>And when I didn't answer,</i>

531
00:32:40,127 --> 00:32:43,505
<i>she got scared
because that had never happened before.</i>

532
00:32:43,588 --> 00:32:47,843
<i>So, she called on the other line,
and Aurora answered in the kitchen.</i>

533
00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,972
<i>And Pat made her come up
to my bedroom to shake me.</i>

534
00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:55,602
<i>But I wish she'd just let me sleep.</i>

535
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,103
He was so tired.

536
00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:03,067
It was the first time that it happened,
but I thought, "Oh, he must have been..."

537
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:04,777
I don't know what I thought.

538
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:08,572
[piano music continues]

539
00:33:22,462 --> 00:33:25,838
[heart beating]

540
00:33:25,923 --> 00:33:29,885
[Vincent Fremont] He should have had
his gallbladder out earlier than that.

541
00:33:29,968 --> 00:33:34,013
But he was... very nervous
about hospitals and death.

542
00:33:34,097 --> 00:33:36,475
[piano music continues]

543
00:33:41,103 --> 00:33:43,773
Andy didn't want me
to even be there for the surgery.

544
00:33:43,857 --> 00:33:46,402
He wanted nobody.
And I said, "Well, I'll be there."

545
00:33:46,485 --> 00:33:51,282
And I saw him lying in bed
and it was 5:00 roughly in the afternoon,

546
00:33:51,365 --> 00:33:54,368
and he'd already been given
a sedative and was asleep.

547
00:33:54,452 --> 00:33:56,870
I didn't get a chance to talk to him.

548
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,540
And I really...

549
00:34:00,667 --> 00:34:05,420
I was incredibly nervous and frightened
that he wouldn't make it out alive.

550
00:34:05,503 --> 00:34:07,965
[piano music continues]

551
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,098
And I was told everything was
fine Saturday afternoon.

552
00:34:19,352 --> 00:34:20,768
And I think I made plans

553
00:34:20,853 --> 00:34:23,772
to be at the hospital
Sunday morning, to see him.

554
00:34:24,982 --> 00:34:27,067
[Paige Powell] He called me.

555
00:34:27,150 --> 00:34:28,777
[camera clicks and whirs]

556
00:34:28,862 --> 00:34:32,030
His voice was a little faint,
and he goes, "I can't eat."

557
00:34:32,113 --> 00:34:35,577
And I go, "Well, what are you eating?"
And he goes, "Jell-O."

558
00:34:35,658 --> 00:34:37,202
And I remember saying to him,

559
00:34:37,287 --> 00:34:40,622
"What color? Is it yellow Jell-O
or orange Jell-O or green...?"

560
00:34:40,707 --> 00:34:43,542
He goes, "Red Jell-O."

561
00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:45,668
'Cause we would tease each other.

562
00:34:46,753 --> 00:34:50,923
He wanted to just come out
on the other side and then talk about it.

563
00:34:51,592 --> 00:34:52,592
[laughs]

564
00:34:53,843 --> 00:34:56,930
I don't want to be a crier on camera.
[voice choking up]

565
00:34:57,013 --> 00:35:00,267
Will you not put me on this part?
[choking up and laughing]

566
00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:02,937
[heart beating]

567
00:35:03,897 --> 00:35:08,608
[voice breaking] Tama, she called me,
and she said, "Andy's dead."

568
00:35:11,068 --> 00:35:12,613
[voice cracking] And I said,

569
00:35:12,697 --> 00:35:16,992
"No, he's not. It's not true.
It's not true. I'll call him now."

570
00:35:17,075 --> 00:35:20,287
And I called and the voice
that answered sounded like Andy.

571
00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:22,332
I just said, "Andy!" like that.

572
00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:25,792
[soft, atmospheric music playing]

573
00:35:25,877 --> 00:35:30,213
[voice shaky] He encompassed
my entire aura in life at that point.

574
00:35:34,427 --> 00:35:38,013
And, um, yeah...

575
00:35:43,518 --> 00:35:47,105
[Vincent Fremont] My worst case scenario
comes true when Fred calls me,

576
00:35:47,188 --> 00:35:50,108
whenever it was, 6:30,
right after he died.

577
00:35:50,192 --> 00:35:52,068
I couldn't believe it.

578
00:35:52,152 --> 00:35:53,445
No one could.

579
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:58,117
[soft, low piano music playing]

580
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,412
And because Andy was gay, they were asking
a lot of questions about his lifestyle,

581
00:36:02,497 --> 00:36:05,332
and they intimated, you know,
he could have died of AIDS.

582
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:11,255
We said, "Listen. We don't care.
We want to find out what killed him."

583
00:36:13,173 --> 00:36:15,467
It was a wrongful death lawsuit.

584
00:36:16,052 --> 00:36:18,972
[news reporter] <i>Warhol's two
older brothers, John and Paul,</i>

585
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:21,682
<i>are in court seeking damages
in a malpractice suit,</i>

586
00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:24,602
<i>charging New York hospital
and 11 other defendants</i>

587
00:36:24,685 --> 00:36:26,353
<i>with gross negligence.</i>

588
00:36:26,437 --> 00:36:30,692
We think that we'll be able to show
that he died prematurely,

589
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:33,193
and that he was a great artist

590
00:36:33,277 --> 00:36:37,363
and should have lived for a lot longer
than February 22nd, 1987.

591
00:36:37,447 --> 00:36:41,033
[news reporter] <i>Warhol underwent
gallbladder surgery at New York Hospital</i>

592
00:36:41,118 --> 00:36:44,872
<i>on February 21st, and died
of cardiac arrhythmia the next day.</i>

593
00:36:44,955 --> 00:36:48,250
<i>Attorneys say Warhol,
anemic and malnourished prior to surgery,</i>

594
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:50,962
<i>was given more fluids
than his body could absorb,</i>

595
00:36:51,043 --> 00:36:54,757
<i>was improperly monitored,
and died of internal drowning.</i>

596
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,967
[camera clicks and whirs]

597
00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:58,468
We all thought Uncle Andy,

598
00:36:58,552 --> 00:37:00,928
if he didn't die
of that gallbladder surgery

599
00:37:01,013 --> 00:37:02,472
and the complications,

600
00:37:02,557 --> 00:37:04,975
I think he'd still be alive today.

601
00:37:05,058 --> 00:37:07,603
[soft atmospheric music playing]

602
00:37:34,297 --> 00:37:37,217
[TV show director] <i>And five,
four, three, two, one, action.</i>

603
00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,092
I don't believe in death

604
00:37:39,177 --> 00:37:42,513
because you're not around
to know that it happened.

605
00:37:42,597 --> 00:37:44,057
I don't believe in death

606
00:37:44,138 --> 00:37:47,518
because you're not around
to know that it happened.

607
00:37:47,602 --> 00:37:52,397
I don't believe in death because you're
not around to know that it happened.

608
00:37:52,482 --> 00:37:56,318
I don't believe in death because you're
not around to know that it happened.

609
00:37:56,402 --> 00:38:01,282
I don't believe in death because you're
not around to know that it happened.

610
00:38:01,865 --> 00:38:05,618
Um... I don't... I really don't
believe in death because you...

611
00:38:05,702 --> 00:38:07,037
you don't know...

612
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,455
you're around...

613
00:38:09,498 --> 00:38:12,668
You're round, you're square.
I don't believe in death...

614
00:38:12,752 --> 00:38:14,753
because you're not around to know...

615
00:38:14,837 --> 00:38:17,338
that it happened, uh...

616
00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:19,092
I always think people go uptown.

617
00:38:19,173 --> 00:38:22,803
They just go to a department store
and they'll be back the same afternoon

618
00:38:22,887 --> 00:38:24,597
or you just keep waiting for them.

619
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,348
- [soft piano music playing]
- [crowd chattering]

620
00:38:27,432 --> 00:38:29,102
[camera clicks and whirs]

621
00:38:29,183 --> 00:38:32,478
The funeral was
on April Fool's Day at St. Patrick's.

622
00:38:32,563 --> 00:38:38,235
And what I mostly remember is the size
of it and the huge number of people,

623
00:38:38,318 --> 00:38:41,697
all of whom were
in one way or another connected to Andy.

624
00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:45,242
[soft piano music continues]

625
00:38:46,618 --> 00:38:49,078
[Kenny Scharf] I think
everyone was in shock.

626
00:38:49,162 --> 00:38:51,957
It felt like the last party.

627
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,042
Ever.

628
00:38:54,083 --> 00:38:55,837
[camera clicks and whirs]

629
00:38:55,918 --> 00:38:58,213
It was overwhelming because...

630
00:38:58,297 --> 00:39:03,635
you know, one side of you just wants
to break down and cry,

631
00:39:03,718 --> 00:39:08,057
but the other side of you,
you're out in public

632
00:39:08,140 --> 00:39:10,977
and you know, it's like a celebrity event.

633
00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:13,603
Everyone in New York was there.

634
00:39:13,687 --> 00:39:15,688
I mean really, it was powerful.

635
00:39:15,772 --> 00:39:19,027
[crowd chattering]

636
00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:25,157
[piano music intensifies]

637
00:39:29,368 --> 00:39:31,997
[John Richardson] Although
Andy was perceived,

638
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,792
with some justice, as a passive observer,

639
00:39:35,877 --> 00:39:39,503
I'd like to recall a side of his character

640
00:39:39,588 --> 00:39:42,548
that he hid from all
but his closest friends:

641
00:39:42,633 --> 00:39:44,552
his spiritual side.

642
00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:49,682
Those of you may be surprised
that such a side existed.

643
00:39:50,767 --> 00:39:54,937
But exist it did and it's the key
to the artist's psyche.

644
00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:59,692
The knowledge of this secret piety

645
00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:02,737
inevitably changes our perception

646
00:40:02,818 --> 00:40:04,322
of an artist

647
00:40:04,403 --> 00:40:07,950
who fooled the world into believing

648
00:40:08,033 --> 00:40:12,997
that his only obsessions were
money, fame, and glamor,

649
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,625
and that he was cool
to the point of callousness.

650
00:40:17,793 --> 00:40:20,837
Never take Andy at his face value.

651
00:40:21,547 --> 00:40:25,802
The callous observer was,
in fact, a recording angel.

652
00:40:25,883 --> 00:40:27,970
And Andy's detachment,

653
00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:32,392
the distance he established
between himself and the world,

654
00:40:32,473 --> 00:40:33,725
was above all,

655
00:40:33,808 --> 00:40:37,145
a matter of innocence,
and a matter of art.

656
00:40:39,273 --> 00:40:40,983
Though ever in his thoughts,

657
00:40:41,067 --> 00:40:47,322
Andy's religion didn't surface in his work
until two or three Christmases ago,

658
00:40:47,407 --> 00:40:51,033
when he embarked on
a series of <i>Last Suppers</i>,

659
00:40:51,118 --> 00:40:54,288
inspired by a plaster mock-up

660
00:40:54,372 --> 00:40:59,293
of Leonardo's masterpiece
that he found in Times Square.

661
00:40:59,377 --> 00:41:06,300
And Andy's use of a pop conceit
to energize sacred subjects

662
00:41:06,383 --> 00:41:10,678
constitutes a major breakthrough
in religious art.

663
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:16,560
And how awesomely cool,
how awesomely prophetic,

664
00:41:16,643 --> 00:41:19,478
is one of his very last paintings,

665
00:41:19,563 --> 00:41:21,898
which simply announces,

666
00:41:21,982 --> 00:41:25,777
"Heaven and Hell are just
one breath away!"

667
00:41:25,862 --> 00:41:28,280
[applause]

668
00:41:29,032 --> 00:41:31,992
[Donna de Salvo] Hearing
John Richardson do the eulogy,

669
00:41:32,075 --> 00:41:36,747
and this whole talk about
Warhol's spiritual life was like, wow.

670
00:41:36,830 --> 00:41:38,790
It was a bit of a surprise to me.

671
00:41:38,873 --> 00:41:41,585
[background chatter]

672
00:41:43,212 --> 00:41:49,552
There were no queer studies
about Warhol until after his death.

673
00:41:49,635 --> 00:41:54,640
There was such a reluctance
to talk about AIDS and Warhol.

674
00:41:57,768 --> 00:42:00,478
[director] When he decides
to take the commission

675
00:42:00,562 --> 00:42:02,313
to do the <i>Last Supper </i>series,

676
00:42:02,397 --> 00:42:06,568
the gay cancer, AIDS, what at that point
was almost a death sentence,

677
00:42:06,652 --> 00:42:10,657
do you think that that played
a role in his creative choices?

678
00:42:10,738 --> 00:42:11,948
No.

679
00:42:12,032 --> 00:42:16,037
No, because the art dealer
that commissioned these paintings

680
00:42:16,118 --> 00:42:18,788
thought that this would be
a perfect thing for Italy.

681
00:42:18,872 --> 00:42:20,457
The banks would love it.

682
00:42:20,542 --> 00:42:22,543
[soft atmospheric music playing]

683
00:42:22,627 --> 00:42:26,505
[Jessica Beck] Yes, Alexander Iolas
commissioned these paintings.

684
00:42:27,588 --> 00:42:30,883
And turns out Iolas is sick with AIDS.

685
00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:36,432
The disease is really all around Warhol.

686
00:42:38,183 --> 00:42:42,062
[Jeffrey Deitch] For anyone
who lived through that period in the '80s,

687
00:42:42,145 --> 00:42:45,190
AIDS is something
that you thought of every hour.

688
00:42:48,277 --> 00:42:51,905
[director] This is the other work
that's part of the Last Supper series

689
00:42:51,988 --> 00:42:53,615
where it says, "Big C."

690
00:42:53,698 --> 00:42:55,533
Well, let me see that.

691
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,373
What does the C mean?

692
00:43:02,373 --> 00:43:04,918
[director] The big C refers
to either Jesus Christ

693
00:43:05,002 --> 00:43:06,587
or gay cancer.

694
00:43:07,253 --> 00:43:10,632
[Chris Makos] Where do you get
this impression? I'm just curious.

695
00:43:10,717 --> 00:43:13,927
I mean, if you look at all of Andy's work,
it's all about graphics.

696
00:43:14,012 --> 00:43:20,225
So, maybe he just felt like there's
an empty space here and the C looked good.

697
00:43:20,308 --> 00:43:23,437
I mean, one has to put the word "gay"

698
00:43:24,688 --> 00:43:27,192
in here to come up
with the gay cancer, don't they?

699
00:43:27,273 --> 00:43:29,318
'Cause I don't see a G anywhere here.

700
00:43:29,402 --> 00:43:32,197
[camera clicks and whirs]

701
00:43:33,197 --> 00:43:36,033
[soft atmospheric music playing]

702
00:43:36,117 --> 00:43:37,743
[camera shuttering]

703
00:43:42,832 --> 00:43:45,417
[Jessica Beck] It's like saying
nothing means anything

704
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:46,793
in any of his paintings.

705
00:43:47,712 --> 00:43:53,175
And I think so much has been about
divorcing his lived experience so far away

706
00:43:53,258 --> 00:43:55,593
that I think it's done damage

707
00:43:55,677 --> 00:43:58,597
to how we can fully read the work.

708
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,142
[atmospheric music continues]

709
00:44:01,225 --> 00:44:03,768
And so, I think the most
important thing is for me

710
00:44:03,852 --> 00:44:05,728
to look at the late work differently,

711
00:44:05,812 --> 00:44:11,527
to bring in this idea of AIDS,
and Jon, and Warhol's Catholic roots,

712
00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:15,405
the shame, the fear,
all of that into the canvas.

713
00:44:15,488 --> 00:44:17,242
[music fades]

714
00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:22,162
I heard somebody at his Museum
or the foundation, "This proud gay man."

715
00:44:22,247 --> 00:44:24,122
Yes, he was proud

716
00:44:24,207 --> 00:44:25,748
and you know, gay,

717
00:44:25,832 --> 00:44:28,668
but not necessarily proud of being gay.

718
00:44:28,752 --> 00:44:30,128
It was just what it was.

719
00:44:31,172 --> 00:44:32,923
He didn't want to be a cliché.

720
00:44:33,007 --> 00:44:36,052
In other words, he wouldn't
want to be a famous gay artist.

721
00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:38,053
He wanted to be a famous artist.

722
00:44:39,097 --> 00:44:40,597
[chatter]

723
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,768
[Jessica Beck] Warhol's queerness
is even hard to talk about

724
00:44:44,852 --> 00:44:46,562
to people who are close to him.

725
00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:50,273
There still are all of these issues
of taboo and judgment

726
00:44:50,357 --> 00:44:55,195
around homosexuality that still exist
in the way we talk about history.

727
00:44:55,278 --> 00:44:57,407
[soft atmospheric music playing]

728
00:44:57,488 --> 00:44:59,323
[director] Well, was Andy out?

729
00:45:00,408 --> 00:45:04,288
Well, he was never in, so, uh... you know...

730
00:45:04,372 --> 00:45:07,040
Why does an individual
have to say what they are?

731
00:45:07,708 --> 00:45:11,670
One of my most favorite times with Andy
is going to a Liberace concert.

732
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,007
[big show music playing]

733
00:45:16,717 --> 00:45:20,178
[Liberace playing piano]

734
00:45:20,262 --> 00:45:23,390
Looking in the audience, I don't think
they cared one way or the other

735
00:45:23,473 --> 00:45:26,185
whether Liberace was gay
or straight or anything.

736
00:45:26,268 --> 00:45:29,980
They were there for the sheer... spectacle.

737
00:45:30,063 --> 00:45:33,067
[Liberace ends dramatically]

738
00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:34,652
[applause]

739
00:45:34,735 --> 00:45:36,487
Andy Warhol never had to say,

740
00:45:36,570 --> 00:45:38,322
"I'm a gay person."

741
00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:40,282
It's like asking if Liberace is gay.

742
00:45:40,365 --> 00:45:42,117
"Liberace, are you gay?"

743
00:45:42,202 --> 00:45:43,660
Well, you decide.

744
00:45:46,247 --> 00:45:48,707
[director] I totally see
where you're coming from,

745
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:51,335
but there's an opportunity
to remove the stigma

746
00:45:51,418 --> 00:45:54,838
and, you know, the idea of,
"Liberace: is he gay or not? You decide,"

747
00:45:54,922 --> 00:45:58,217
there's no decision to
be made, it's... it is the reality.

748
00:45:58,300 --> 00:45:59,427
Right.

749
00:46:00,302 --> 00:46:02,553
These conversations
that I'm having with you,

750
00:46:02,638 --> 00:46:04,138
I feel like I'm with a shrink

751
00:46:04,223 --> 00:46:10,853
because, um... you sort of bring out
memories that, you know, are there,

752
00:46:10,938 --> 00:46:14,023
but, uh, you have to be
sort of cajoled back into it.

753
00:46:14,107 --> 00:46:19,153
And looking at these videos and things
reminds me of that time frame

754
00:46:19,238 --> 00:46:23,992
and it reminds me
of my particular influence at that time.

755
00:46:24,077 --> 00:46:27,247
[news reporter 2] Chris Makos took
this picture of Andy in drag.

756
00:46:27,328 --> 00:46:29,038
You look very good in drag, Andy.

757
00:46:29,122 --> 00:46:31,792
Oh, well that's... Oh... yeah, I am.

758
00:46:31,875 --> 00:46:33,918
- And there are five...
- Really, because I'm...

759
00:46:34,002 --> 00:46:36,630
- Five more like that with different poses.
- I'm with...

760
00:46:36,713 --> 00:46:38,757
No, I'm with... the Zoli agency,

761
00:46:38,842 --> 00:46:39,967
and I thought,

762
00:46:40,050 --> 00:46:43,095
if I can't work as a boy,
I could work as a girl, so...

763
00:46:43,178 --> 00:46:44,763
[reporter laughs]

764
00:46:45,807 --> 00:46:48,225
[Chris Makos] I mean,
I didn't identify with gay.

765
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:49,935
Clearly, I was gay.

766
00:46:50,018 --> 00:46:52,397
But, you know, I was just being who I am.

767
00:46:52,478 --> 00:46:55,107
[soft dreamy music playing]

768
00:46:58,110 --> 00:47:03,115
I mean... [scoffs] this idea
of coming out was just alien to all of us.

769
00:47:04,617 --> 00:47:06,033
I mean, I had a boyfriend,

770
00:47:06,118 --> 00:47:09,413
but I wasn't going to say,
"Oh, by the way, I'm gay."

771
00:47:15,377 --> 00:47:17,087
Yeah, I hated his photos.

772
00:47:18,047 --> 00:47:20,173
I was mad at Andy for doing them.

773
00:47:20,257 --> 00:47:23,218
[chatter]

774
00:47:23,302 --> 00:47:25,847
[chatter from the video]

775
00:47:25,928 --> 00:47:28,807
[soft piano music playing]

776
00:47:28,892 --> 00:47:30,433
He looks so sad.

777
00:47:34,897 --> 00:47:37,148
I thought that we were
very well positioned

778
00:47:37,232 --> 00:47:39,233
to get a lot more portraits.

779
00:47:39,318 --> 00:47:41,737
[soft piano music continues]

780
00:47:47,492 --> 00:47:49,703
Most of them, I think, would have said,

781
00:47:49,787 --> 00:47:52,832
"Oh, you know, I always thought
Andy Warhol was a creep,

782
00:47:52,915 --> 00:47:55,208
and now he's proving it to me again."

783
00:47:55,292 --> 00:47:59,838
So, um... it <i>was </i>making my job harder.

784
00:48:02,883 --> 00:48:04,383
[camera clicks and whirs]

785
00:48:04,468 --> 00:48:06,970
They all worked for Andy.

786
00:48:07,053 --> 00:48:10,140
They all depended
on Andy for their livelihood.

787
00:48:10,223 --> 00:48:14,728
Christopher Makos is an example of someone
that <i>Interview </i>created, discovered.

788
00:48:14,812 --> 00:48:17,940
Not really, but, um...

789
00:48:18,023 --> 00:48:20,358
Well, in a sense we did
help his career a lot.

790
00:48:20,442 --> 00:48:23,195
- As we've helped the career of...
- [man] Bob, stop. Start again.

791
00:48:23,278 --> 00:48:24,738
- Alright.
- [man] Do it again.

792
00:48:24,822 --> 00:48:27,323
I was just talking about
how Andy discovers things,

793
00:48:27,407 --> 00:48:29,452
so, this would be a good example.

794
00:48:30,077 --> 00:48:32,287
[R. Couri Hay] And they were very aware

795
00:48:32,372 --> 00:48:35,873
of the mystique they were creating,
of the image they were creating.

796
00:48:35,958 --> 00:48:38,668
[Vincent Fremont] I can be
in self-denial of what was going on.

797
00:48:38,752 --> 00:48:41,547
I don't want to bring up
a subject like that to him.

798
00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:43,923
And to this day, every time I do anything,

799
00:48:44,508 --> 00:48:48,887
I do it thinking of Andy the way
I remembered him and what he would like.

800
00:48:48,972 --> 00:48:50,388
[camera clicks and whirs]

801
00:48:50,472 --> 00:48:52,015
Of course, it's a cult!

802
00:48:52,098 --> 00:48:56,937
It seems like as the years go by,
they keep the Warhol... cult

803
00:48:57,020 --> 00:48:59,815
as the way it should be, in their memory.

804
00:49:00,315 --> 00:49:03,818
[Jessica Beck] The people that are
closest to him, it's like your family.

805
00:49:03,902 --> 00:49:05,863
There's a way in which you see someone

806
00:49:05,947 --> 00:49:09,283
and then there's all this
resistance on keeping it...

807
00:49:09,367 --> 00:49:11,410
a certain way, protecting it.

808
00:49:20,962 --> 00:49:24,798
[Benjamin Liu] When I looked at the cover
of the <i>Diary</i>, the book cover said,

809
00:49:24,882 --> 00:49:28,177
"Edited by Pat Hackett".

810
00:49:28,260 --> 00:49:31,472
So, I always am curious in my mind

811
00:49:31,555 --> 00:49:35,308
if Andy looked through
the typewritten thing

812
00:49:35,392 --> 00:49:37,643
and made corrections or not.

813
00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:41,148
[Pat Hackett] He read them.

814
00:49:41,232 --> 00:49:44,152
I'd bring them to the office
once a week or every two weeks

815
00:49:44,233 --> 00:49:46,153
and he'd have them there.

816
00:49:46,237 --> 00:49:49,238
Every once in a while
he'd tell me if something wasn't right

817
00:49:49,323 --> 00:49:50,490
and I'd fix it.

818
00:49:51,367 --> 00:49:54,578
I re-read Pat's introduction,
which I hadn't read in a long time,

819
00:49:54,662 --> 00:49:57,832
and how she edited
and how she wanted to keep the flow,

820
00:49:57,915 --> 00:50:01,377
which I think is interesting,
but there's a lot missing.

821
00:50:02,377 --> 00:50:07,548
Pat said in the diaries that Jed had
his bedroom on the fourth floor,

822
00:50:07,633 --> 00:50:08,717
which wasn't true.

823
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,177
They shared a bedroom.

824
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:15,015
The fourth floor was the office
for the interior design,

825
00:50:15,098 --> 00:50:16,892
but it was a bedroom.

826
00:50:16,975 --> 00:50:23,023
And, um... I suppose it was
at one point maybe meant to be...

827
00:50:24,817 --> 00:50:28,070
thought that Jed and Andy
had separate bedrooms,

828
00:50:28,153 --> 00:50:30,697
and that's why
there was another bedroom, [laughing]

829
00:50:30,782 --> 00:50:32,367
but it wasn't true.

830
00:50:32,448 --> 00:50:34,743
Jed did stay in Andy's bedroom.

831
00:50:36,370 --> 00:50:38,080
Always, yeah.

832
00:50:38,163 --> 00:50:39,873
I think maybe it was...

833
00:50:39,957 --> 00:50:41,583
Pat's own...

834
00:50:42,752 --> 00:50:44,670
way of avoiding the truth.

835
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:47,923
[soft atmospheric music]

836
00:50:48,007 --> 00:50:50,342
[Donna de Salvo] It's supposed
to be just Andy.

837
00:50:50,425 --> 00:50:52,343
So, we take Pat at her word,

838
00:50:52,427 --> 00:50:55,597
and I'm sure they are just his words,

839
00:50:55,682 --> 00:50:57,517
but I don't know, I never know with...

840
00:50:57,598 --> 00:51:00,643
I mean, you know, again,
I wasn't an intimate of his, so...

841
00:51:00,727 --> 00:51:04,982
It just seems to me
that he's so good at throwing people.

842
00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:07,067
[laughing] And sort of...

843
00:51:07,150 --> 00:51:10,445
you know, not necessarily
ever being direct.

844
00:51:10,528 --> 00:51:12,488
[atmospheric music continues]

845
00:51:13,448 --> 00:51:17,368
You know, I think Pat was trying
to protect the image or something.

846
00:51:19,328 --> 00:51:22,332
[director] What about people
who say that you in your editing

847
00:51:22,415 --> 00:51:25,792
have pushed it
in one direction or another?

848
00:51:27,753 --> 00:51:29,798
Like, for what...

849
00:51:29,882 --> 00:51:31,175
for what purpose?

850
00:51:31,258 --> 00:51:33,010
I mean, I don't even...

851
00:51:33,093 --> 00:51:34,637
the purpose...

852
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,013
You know those bracelets
people would wear?

853
00:51:37,097 --> 00:51:41,143
You know, "What Would Jesus Do?"
Always it's like, "What Would Andy Want?"

854
00:51:41,227 --> 00:51:44,522
People talk to different people
about different things.

855
00:51:44,605 --> 00:51:47,567
The <i>Diaries </i>are the things
that he talked to me about,

856
00:51:47,648 --> 00:51:50,402
and if he had wanted
different things in the <i>Diaries</i>,

857
00:51:50,485 --> 00:51:53,322
he would have had
a different person doing them.

858
00:51:53,405 --> 00:51:56,825
You know, the question
they <i>should </i>ask is like,

859
00:51:56,908 --> 00:52:01,122
"What did he say to you and then say,
'but don't write that in the diary'?"

860
00:52:01,205 --> 00:52:02,372
Those are the things.

861
00:52:02,457 --> 00:52:04,750
But I mean, that's between him and me.

862
00:52:04,833 --> 00:52:06,460
Did Andy ever dream

863
00:52:06,543 --> 00:52:09,922
that your daily conversations
would end up in a book?

864
00:52:10,005 --> 00:52:13,258
[Pat Hackett on TV] Yeah,
that was the whole idea of doing them,

865
00:52:13,342 --> 00:52:16,387
but of course, we didn't know
that he would die so soon.

866
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:18,847
[Pat Hackett] After I got
the <i>Diaries </i>published,

867
00:52:18,932 --> 00:52:23,477
I just felt, "Okay. I have done
what I needed to do.

868
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,522
I did what he wanted me to do,

869
00:52:25,603 --> 00:52:28,482
and, um, I hope I did a good job."

870
00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:30,192
[poignant music playing]

871
00:52:30,275 --> 00:52:33,612
Then it settles in
and you don't have your...

872
00:52:34,197 --> 00:52:37,367
You don't have your routine
that you loved anymore

873
00:52:37,448 --> 00:52:39,618
with, you know, your friend.

874
00:52:41,537 --> 00:52:46,458
I always thought,
well, you know Andy's... quite a bit older

875
00:52:46,542 --> 00:52:48,877
so he'll die, you know, he'll die first.

876
00:52:48,962 --> 00:52:51,003
But then I will have Jed.

877
00:52:52,005 --> 00:52:56,760
This is Archie Warhol,
and I think he likes us.

878
00:52:56,843 --> 00:53:01,265
Yes, I think I can say that,
can I, Archie? Good? Yes.

879
00:53:01,348 --> 00:53:04,810
[Pat Hackett] But then,
not long after that, you know, uh...

880
00:53:04,893 --> 00:53:06,853
Jed was killed on Flight 800.

881
00:53:06,937 --> 00:53:10,482
We are bringing you further updates
on a developing story at this hour.

882
00:53:10,567 --> 00:53:14,778
It is believed that
a 747 aircraft has exploded in midair,

883
00:53:14,862 --> 00:53:18,992
about 20 miles south of New York's
Long Island into the Atlantic Ocean.

884
00:53:19,073 --> 00:53:21,243
[camera clicks and whirs]

885
00:53:21,327 --> 00:53:23,745
[poignant music continues]

886
00:53:24,788 --> 00:53:26,373
I, um...

887
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,958
was filled with disbelief.

888
00:53:29,042 --> 00:53:32,422
[reporter] <i>Do you have initial reports on
how many passengers and crew were aboard?</i>

889
00:53:32,503 --> 00:53:36,800
[official] <i>We have 212 passengers
listed on board with 37 crew members.</i>

890
00:53:36,883 --> 00:53:40,597
[Alan Wanzenberg] So, the first thing
you have to understand is it's chaos,

891
00:53:40,678 --> 00:53:43,390
and no one knows anything about anything.

892
00:53:44,267 --> 00:53:46,977
[Bob Colacello] I went over
to Jed and Alan's apartment

893
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:48,853
to comfort Jay and Tom,

894
00:53:48,937 --> 00:53:55,027
and Pat Hackett was on the phone
with the airline, with TWA and JFK,

895
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:58,488
and trying to find out, you know,
where the bodies were going to be

896
00:53:58,572 --> 00:54:00,823
and... get some news.

897
00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:03,243
[poignant music continues]

898
00:54:03,327 --> 00:54:05,578
[waves crashing]

899
00:54:06,872 --> 00:54:10,000
[Alan Wanzenberg] But the body was found,
and then I went out to the beach,

900
00:54:10,083 --> 00:54:12,502
and, of course,
our beach house on the ocean,

901
00:54:12,587 --> 00:54:14,547
is right where the flight pattern was.

902
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:17,717
So, you know, I could roll over
in bed and I could look up

903
00:54:17,798 --> 00:54:20,385
and I can see
a TWA Flight flying to Europe.

904
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:26,892
It was the largest underwater rescue,
other than when the Challenger exploded.

905
00:54:26,975 --> 00:54:30,187
So, they went through
everything for a year, plus.

906
00:54:30,270 --> 00:54:32,482
They were trying
to figure out what happened.

907
00:54:32,563 --> 00:54:35,233
There was over 1,000
FBI agents involved.

908
00:54:35,317 --> 00:54:37,443
They would go on about this conspiracy.

909
00:54:37,528 --> 00:54:39,988
[news reporter] <i>The FBI
today raised new questions</i>

910
00:54:40,072 --> 00:54:42,573
<i>that a missile,
or some kind of streaking object,</i>

911
00:54:42,658 --> 00:54:47,247
<i>was seen in the sky at the same time
TWA Flight 800 exploded.</i>

912
00:54:47,328 --> 00:54:50,207
We do have information
that there was something in the sky.

913
00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:52,833
A number of people have seen it.

914
00:54:53,543 --> 00:54:57,840
So many people swore
that they saw something hit the plane.

915
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,637
I don't know.

916
00:55:02,718 --> 00:55:05,138
Again, all this mystery, all this...

917
00:55:05,222 --> 00:55:08,517
[Alan Wanzenberg] It was assumed
that there was some kind of terrorism,

918
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,603
and I said, "If there's friendly fire,
if something's wrong,

919
00:55:11,687 --> 00:55:13,063
they'd tell us, I'd hope."

920
00:55:13,147 --> 00:55:16,067
And of course, later,
we found out exactly what happened

921
00:55:16,148 --> 00:55:18,527
because it was
an explosion inside the plane.

922
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:20,903
[poignant music continues]

923
00:55:20,988 --> 00:55:22,738
[waves crashing]

924
00:55:24,073 --> 00:55:27,703
[Bob Colacello] What was really horrible
was I was renting a house then,

925
00:55:27,787 --> 00:55:31,957
and these bits and pieces
of the plane would wash up on shore.

926
00:55:34,502 --> 00:55:38,255
People in first class,
it seemed, broke off, or...

927
00:55:38,338 --> 00:55:41,508
so, they weren't burned or anything,

928
00:55:41,592 --> 00:55:44,303
and just fell into the ocean,

929
00:55:44,387 --> 00:55:47,848
and that his body was just,
you know, perfect,

930
00:55:47,932 --> 00:55:49,892
like he always was: perfect.

931
00:55:49,975 --> 00:55:52,477
[dreamy guitar music playing]

932
00:55:52,562 --> 00:55:54,103
Fate really...

933
00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:57,733
wanted him, or did him in, um...

934
00:55:58,650 --> 00:56:00,027
It was like...

935
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:03,030
God really does take the best first.

936
00:56:04,113 --> 00:56:06,450
And, you know, why does that have to be?

937
00:56:07,075 --> 00:56:12,163
And it made me think
God is very greedy, and um...

938
00:56:13,582 --> 00:56:15,583
[breathes deeply]

939
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,382
But, um...

940
00:56:24,008 --> 00:56:26,137
[Alan Wanzenberg] And then,
when I understood it,

941
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:30,098
I never really went into shock,
I never stopped, I always kept working

942
00:56:30,182 --> 00:56:34,393
because I had
this expression of love from Jed.

943
00:56:37,563 --> 00:56:39,358
It erases everything else.

944
00:56:39,442 --> 00:56:43,278
Any other... fear, I mean,
that got me over it, you know?

945
00:56:43,362 --> 00:56:47,573
Like... you kind of keep...
you have to keep moving, you keep going.

946
00:56:47,658 --> 00:56:49,452
That doesn't mean I don't miss him.

947
00:56:49,535 --> 00:56:52,497
I mean, I love him,
I think about him every day.

948
00:56:52,578 --> 00:56:56,292
And, you know, we had weathered
the big storm, which for us was HIV.

949
00:56:56,375 --> 00:56:58,252
You know, we got through that.

950
00:56:58,335 --> 00:57:00,878
[soft atmospheric music playing]

951
00:57:00,963 --> 00:57:04,967
I came to New York
with like, probably 30 guys.

952
00:57:05,050 --> 00:57:07,718
I think I can think of one of them
who's still alive.

953
00:57:07,803 --> 00:57:08,847
Maybe two.

954
00:57:08,928 --> 00:57:11,013
They're all dead. Everyone died.

955
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,603
It was devastating.

956
00:57:17,603 --> 00:57:20,732
And to me, it was like sniper fire.

957
00:57:20,817 --> 00:57:24,152
You know, you'd go to a party
and, I don't know, Joe would be there,

958
00:57:24,237 --> 00:57:28,282
and then Monday morning you'd get a call,
"Did you know Joe died on Sunday night?"

959
00:57:28,365 --> 00:57:30,450
You'd think like, "Wait a sec," I'm like...

960
00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:32,537
It was really...

961
00:57:33,412 --> 00:57:35,913
Then Jed dies in a plane crash.

962
00:57:35,998 --> 00:57:37,748
It's just heartbreaking.

963
00:57:37,833 --> 00:57:41,378
[poignant music intensifies]

964
00:57:47,718 --> 00:57:51,053
[Jay Johnson] There's
a memorial on the island.

965
00:57:51,138 --> 00:57:55,642
We go every year on 17th July.

966
00:57:57,312 --> 00:58:01,148
We'll never forget
the night of July 17th, 1996.

967
00:58:01,232 --> 00:58:03,525
But I want you to know this,

968
00:58:03,608 --> 00:58:09,782
that all your loved ones shall live
in our hearts forever.

969
00:58:10,992 --> 00:58:14,453
[poignant music playing]

970
00:58:26,048 --> 00:58:28,258
[Jay Johnson] It was a big loss, you know.

971
00:58:28,927 --> 00:58:31,887
You know, I understood what Jed was doing,

972
00:58:32,472 --> 00:58:35,557
but I had wished
that it had worked out with Andy.

973
00:58:36,267 --> 00:58:39,645
I think Andy really cared about him, and...

974
00:58:40,562 --> 00:58:42,857
I thought they were good together.

975
00:58:44,817 --> 00:58:47,362
[director] And did you
ever meet Jon Gould?

976
00:58:47,443 --> 00:58:48,320
No.

977
00:58:48,403 --> 00:58:54,408
At the Whitney exhibition recently,
the retrospective,

978
00:58:54,993 --> 00:58:58,830
and in the portrait room,
somebody came over to me and said,

979
00:58:58,913 --> 00:59:00,832
"I want you to meet Jay Gould,"

980
00:59:00,917 --> 00:59:03,335
who was Jon Gould's twin brother,

981
00:59:03,418 --> 00:59:06,547
and, you know, I never met Jon, but...

982
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:08,590
I didn't know he existed, so...

983
00:59:09,467 --> 00:59:14,555
It was like, it was more,
isn't it interesting that he's here,

984
00:59:14,638 --> 00:59:16,973
and he was a twin, and his name's Jay.

985
00:59:17,057 --> 00:59:18,558
[laughing]

986
00:59:18,642 --> 00:59:21,395
I thought, what's that all mean?

987
00:59:21,478 --> 00:59:24,815
- [upbeat orchestral music playing]
- [waves crashing]

988
00:59:32,573 --> 00:59:33,907
[chatter]

989
00:59:33,992 --> 00:59:36,785
[auctioneer] Few more minutes
before we start this sale,

990
00:59:36,868 --> 00:59:38,620
the estate of Harriett Gould.

991
00:59:40,913 --> 00:59:43,917
[rep] We're an auction company
that deals with estates.

992
00:59:44,002 --> 00:59:47,087
What do we say on the watercolor?
Who says $50 to start the watercolor?

993
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:51,133
$50 and we'll start that.
$25 on that watercolor and we'll start it.

994
00:59:51,967 --> 00:59:54,262
[rep] So, we're dealing
with Harriett Gould,

995
00:59:54,343 --> 00:59:56,138
who was from Amesbury here.

996
00:59:56,222 --> 00:59:57,723
[camera clicks and whirs]

997
00:59:57,807 --> 01:00:01,018
So, she has passed away in her late 90s.

998
01:00:03,395 --> 01:00:07,148
She did have three children,
one of which passed away in the '80s.

999
01:00:08,025 --> 01:00:10,027
His name was Jon Gould.

1000
01:00:10,652 --> 01:00:13,488
[orchestral music continues]

1001
01:00:15,617 --> 01:00:18,993
It seemed like it was gonna be
a traditional auction, all Americana,

1002
01:00:19,077 --> 01:00:20,872
until I go into the attic

1003
01:00:20,953 --> 01:00:24,708
and I discover this piece that just,
it stuck out in my mind.

1004
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:31,465
And I look down, and lo and behold,
it's signed, "Jon / Andy Warhol, '83."

1005
01:00:31,548 --> 01:00:34,802
When I found it that day,
that's what changed the whole direction

1006
01:00:34,885 --> 01:00:38,180
of what we were probably going
to do as an auction.

1007
01:00:39,263 --> 01:00:41,017
Harriett was a very private person,

1008
01:00:41,098 --> 01:00:43,893
and you think about Andy Warhol

1009
01:00:43,977 --> 01:00:47,232
and having your son being
in a relationship with Andy Warhol,

1010
01:00:47,313 --> 01:00:49,900
how would you reflect that
in the 1980s, you know?

1011
01:00:49,983 --> 01:00:52,487
It's 30 years ago,
think about the culture.

1012
01:00:52,568 --> 01:00:55,697
[camera clicks and whirs]

1013
01:00:56,282 --> 01:00:57,573
So, what I think was:

1014
01:00:57,658 --> 01:00:59,408
she had these things,

1015
01:00:59,493 --> 01:01:03,122
and Harriett had set it up that the things
and the house had to be sold,

1016
01:01:03,205 --> 01:01:04,413
for her own reasoning.

1017
01:01:04,498 --> 01:01:07,833
So in that, she knew what she was doing,
that this would come out,

1018
01:01:07,918 --> 01:01:10,087
you know, this close companionship.

1019
01:01:10,170 --> 01:01:12,422
[orchestral music continues]

1020
01:01:14,717 --> 01:01:17,010
As we were going through
the house, I realized,

1021
01:01:17,093 --> 01:01:19,847
"Okay, there has to be
some other treasures in here."

1022
01:01:19,930 --> 01:01:22,598
This one is signed
Andy Warhol to Jon in 1982.

1023
01:01:22,683 --> 01:01:24,142
<i>The Bodybuilder.</i>

1024
01:01:25,893 --> 01:01:27,103
This is from 1983:

1025
01:01:27,187 --> 01:01:28,688
"Picked up Jon at the airport.

1026
01:01:28,772 --> 01:01:32,277
He brought me a beautiful pearl gown
and jacket, Halston's."

1027
01:01:34,653 --> 01:01:38,198
And so, Jon had got this,
had Halston make this for his mother.

1028
01:01:38,282 --> 01:01:41,493
This opportunity is never going
to happen again.

1029
01:01:41,577 --> 01:01:43,287
Andy only had a few companions.

1030
01:01:43,370 --> 01:01:45,957
His one prior to Jon was Jed Johnson.

1031
01:01:46,038 --> 01:01:48,917
[orchestral music continues]

1032
01:02:09,313 --> 01:02:11,732
And all of a sudden,
I'm finding Kenny Scharf.

1033
01:02:18,197 --> 01:02:19,573
Keith Haring.

1034
01:02:40,637 --> 01:02:43,805
Then, all of a sudden,
I'm finding Jean-Michel Basquiat.

1035
01:02:43,888 --> 01:02:48,143
This is the Jean-Michel jacket.
That's unbelievable, that leather jacket.

1036
01:02:50,647 --> 01:02:53,607
To be able to say
you found three Jean-Michel Basquiats

1037
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:56,193
in a house in Amesbury, Massachusetts,

1038
01:02:56,277 --> 01:02:59,697
It doesn't happen, okay?
[laughing] It just doesn't happen.

1039
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:02,950
[orchestral music continues]

1040
01:03:05,912 --> 01:03:08,830
So, I'm thinking I found everything
I could possibly find,

1041
01:03:08,913 --> 01:03:12,627
and I'm up in the attic again,
on all fours, going through stuff,

1042
01:03:12,708 --> 01:03:14,503
and get to the bottom of this box.

1043
01:03:14,587 --> 01:03:17,757
I find some poetry
that Jon had written to Andy.

1044
01:03:18,967 --> 01:03:21,052
I already know Andy's side of the story

1045
01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:24,472
from the works of his circle of people
that have written books.

1046
01:03:24,555 --> 01:03:28,642
And then all of a sudden, I start to see
these words out of Jon's own mouth.

1047
01:03:28,725 --> 01:03:30,562
This was not a one-way street.

1048
01:03:30,643 --> 01:03:34,815
Andy, was infatuated with Jon,
but Jon also had a love for Andy.

1049
01:03:34,898 --> 01:03:37,277
There's no question about it.

1050
01:03:37,358 --> 01:03:40,445
[tender piano music playing]

1051
01:03:40,528 --> 01:03:42,865
[Jay Gould] <i>"I sat in my room
With the lights on</i>

1052
01:03:42,948 --> 01:03:44,658
<i>The drapes open wide</i>

1053
01:03:44,742 --> 01:03:46,993
<i>Looking out at the California night</i>

1054
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:49,830
<i>Two days before the Academy Awards</i>

1055
01:03:52,623 --> 01:03:55,918
<i>Exercising on the thick, tan carpet naked</i>

1056
01:03:57,547 --> 01:03:59,882
<i>Spinning on with the room...</i>

1057
01:04:02,008 --> 01:04:04,970
<i>Rodeo Drive flashing
Like some jeweled bracelet</i>

1058
01:04:05,053 --> 01:04:06,680
<i>Shaking on a waving wrist</i>

1059
01:04:09,142 --> 01:04:11,893
<i>Sunset, Chris hanging up on me</i>

1060
01:04:12,477 --> 01:04:13,897
<i>Thinking of the times</i>

1061
01:04:15,688 --> 01:04:17,523
<i>The movie industry</i>

1062
01:04:17,983 --> 01:04:19,985
<i>Where is the family?</i>

1063
01:04:20,068 --> 01:04:22,197
<i>Where is the continuity?</i>

1064
01:04:24,323 --> 01:04:26,073
<i>I spend a lonely night in protest</i>

1065
01:04:26,158 --> 01:04:28,743
<i>To find love that means something</i>

1066
01:04:29,537 --> 01:04:32,207
<i>We can talk about continuity</i>

1067
01:04:32,288 --> 01:04:36,083
<i>About caring for others
About being on the top of your feelings</i>

1068
01:04:36,168 --> 01:04:38,712
<i>Life goes to the movies
The way we were</i>

1069
01:04:40,507 --> 01:04:45,718
<i>Andy, sometimes we sit home and watch TV
Over an old table</i>

1070
01:04:45,802 --> 01:04:48,805
<i>Used once by hired hands
Eating vegetables"</i>

1071
01:04:56,188 --> 01:04:57,688
Hi Katy! Hi Fred!

1072
01:04:57,773 --> 01:04:59,107
Hi Katy! Hi Fred!

1073
01:05:00,317 --> 01:05:04,028
[chattering]

1074
01:05:04,112 --> 01:05:06,490
[soft atmospheric music]

1075
01:05:07,198 --> 01:05:08,325
[sighs]

1076
01:05:10,202 --> 01:05:12,162
[sniffs] Good poetry.

1077
01:05:21,838 --> 01:05:26,427
I think he would be proud
of his relationship with Andy,

1078
01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:28,972
especially now.

1079
01:05:31,182 --> 01:05:33,475
You know, he's like so many people.

1080
01:05:33,558 --> 01:05:38,272
He's part of the story
of our changing culture to acceptance.

1081
01:05:38,982 --> 01:05:40,607
He's part of that story.

1082
01:05:40,692 --> 01:05:43,443
[atmospheric music continues]

1083
01:05:45,572 --> 01:05:47,573
[camera clicks and whirs]

1084
01:05:47,657 --> 01:05:52,412
All the controversy about gay and all that
is still ongoing you know,

1085
01:05:52,493 --> 01:05:55,788
it's still not, uh... resolved.

1086
01:05:58,877 --> 01:06:01,878
Same with racism
in this country, you know.

1087
01:06:01,962 --> 01:06:05,215
So... it's all very painful.

1088
01:06:05,298 --> 01:06:07,092
[atmospheric music continues]

1089
01:06:08,343 --> 01:06:11,263
I think there's a lot of people
that are neglected in our...

1090
01:06:11,347 --> 01:06:14,433
I don't know if it's who made
the paintings or what...

1091
01:06:14,517 --> 01:06:15,977
But, um...

1092
01:06:22,357 --> 01:06:26,820
I don't see... Black people are never
really portrayed realistically in...

1093
01:06:26,903 --> 01:06:30,240
or maybe... I mean,
not even portrayed in modern art.

1094
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:36,622
[Jeffrey Deitch] The negative reaction
to the collaboration show

1095
01:06:36,705 --> 01:06:38,498
really hurt Jean-Michel.

1096
01:06:39,123 --> 01:06:41,002
He blamed Andy.

1097
01:06:41,083 --> 01:06:45,838
So, for a time, he stopped communication.

1098
01:06:45,923 --> 01:06:48,092
And of course, Andy was equally hurt.

1099
01:06:48,175 --> 01:06:52,638
And before Andy died, they saw each other,

1100
01:06:52,722 --> 01:06:56,350
but the relationship
never really recovered after that.

1101
01:06:56,433 --> 01:06:58,852
[light piano music playing]

1102
01:06:58,937 --> 01:07:02,272
[Wilfredo Rosado] At the time
there was a lot of emotional things

1103
01:07:02,357 --> 01:07:06,068
that were happening
that contributed to a lot of the... issues.

1104
01:07:06,152 --> 01:07:09,822
You know, Jean-Michel felt like
he sold himself out.

1105
01:07:10,863 --> 01:07:13,033
He was collaborating with Andy,

1106
01:07:13,117 --> 01:07:15,868
who felt that he wasn't
at his most creative moment.

1107
01:07:15,953 --> 01:07:19,122
So, I think there was
that inner struggle with Jean-Michel,

1108
01:07:19,207 --> 01:07:22,252
and Andy was very worried
about Jean-Michel.

1109
01:07:23,668 --> 01:07:26,505
The drug use, I think
he was very disappointed.

1110
01:07:26,588 --> 01:07:29,800
It was like, again,
the father-son kind of dynamic.

1111
01:07:29,883 --> 01:07:33,470
You know, you see your son misbehave,
you see someone you really love

1112
01:07:33,553 --> 01:07:36,138
in the throes
of this drug moment in their life,

1113
01:07:36,223 --> 01:07:38,017
and he would get nervous.

1114
01:07:39,893 --> 01:07:44,232
[Jeffrey Deitch] Andy's death
hit Jean-Michel at a very sensitive time.

1115
01:07:44,313 --> 01:07:48,943
He was losing some of his position
in the art world.

1116
01:07:49,027 --> 01:07:53,698
The relationship with some of the dealers
was not as good as it had been,

1117
01:07:53,782 --> 01:07:55,783
his drug problem,

1118
01:07:56,618 --> 01:08:00,913
and he was just very sensitive
about where he fit in.

1119
01:08:00,998 --> 01:08:03,417
[light piano music continues]

1120
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:05,587
[camera clicks and whirs]

1121
01:08:05,668 --> 01:08:08,130
His alienation just got intensified,

1122
01:08:08,213 --> 01:08:12,177
and... exacerbated by Warhol's death.

1123
01:08:13,385 --> 01:08:17,307
And even though they had
a falling-out before Warhol passed,

1124
01:08:17,388 --> 01:08:21,435
it was said, like, Jean-Michel was
just shattered by his death.

1125
01:08:25,063 --> 01:08:26,982
[camera clicks and whirs]

1126
01:08:28,025 --> 01:08:30,235
They were almost like a couple.

1127
01:08:30,318 --> 01:08:36,492
I don't think that it was an accident
that Andy died in February of '87,

1128
01:08:36,575 --> 01:08:40,495
and then Jean-Michel died
in August of '88.

1129
01:08:42,538 --> 01:08:45,583
[Mr. Chow] Well, the idea
from the Chinese point of view

1130
01:08:45,667 --> 01:08:48,878
is that everybody has a scale,

1131
01:08:48,962 --> 01:08:52,592
and if you have too much fame,
you can't handle it.

1132
01:08:52,673 --> 01:08:56,178
Very few people can handle
this much fame, okay?

1133
01:08:56,262 --> 01:08:59,263
So, when you do get there,
you're going to die.

1134
01:09:00,223 --> 01:09:02,142
Elvis Presley, for instance.

1135
01:09:02,227 --> 01:09:04,143
Marilyn Monroe,

1136
01:09:04,228 --> 01:09:06,272
James Dean,

1137
01:09:06,355 --> 01:09:09,733
and Jean-Michel's tragic, tragic death.

1138
01:09:09,817 --> 01:09:10,817
The list goes on.

1139
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:14,153
The great poet dying young, you know?

1140
01:09:14,238 --> 01:09:16,113
[poignant music playing]

1141
01:10:48,873 --> 01:10:51,585
[faint church music playing]

1142
01:10:56,923 --> 01:10:59,510
[Jessica Beck] There are
all of these little stories

1143
01:10:59,593 --> 01:11:03,472
that are still there to be uncovered
about Warhol being a human being,

1144
01:11:04,057 --> 01:11:06,725
having real human relationships.

1145
01:11:06,808 --> 01:11:11,563
And not this idea
that he's this mechanical voyeur,

1146
01:11:11,647 --> 01:11:14,900
but he really did work on this persona.

1147
01:11:14,983 --> 01:11:18,947
And I think what gets hidden
is this private life.

1148
01:11:19,028 --> 01:11:22,658
It's sort of... the alternative
to the machine.

1149
01:11:23,825 --> 01:11:25,868
[soft atmospheric music playing]

1150
01:11:31,833 --> 01:11:36,047
[Glenn Ligon] Warhol's queerness is part
of what that work is about,

1151
01:11:36,128 --> 01:11:41,552
but I think artwork always exceeds.

1152
01:11:42,553 --> 01:11:45,888
In some ways, it's the way
that we figure out <i>who </i>we are,

1153
01:11:45,973 --> 01:11:48,392
rather than <i>express </i>who we are.

1154
01:11:48,475 --> 01:11:53,647
The making of the work is
an exploration of what we are,

1155
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:55,523
rather than, like,

1156
01:11:55,607 --> 01:11:59,945
"I'm this," and they just put it
on the canvas, you know?

1157
01:12:00,028 --> 01:12:02,072
[atmospheric music continues]

1158
01:12:03,657 --> 01:12:06,868
[Donna de Salvo] There's still
this desire to see surface,

1159
01:12:07,452 --> 01:12:08,953
a certain simplicity.

1160
01:12:09,037 --> 01:12:15,085
And I just think that Warhol was so good
at hiding so many parts of his life.

1161
01:12:15,168 --> 01:12:17,337
But you'll never figure him out.

1162
01:12:17,422 --> 01:12:19,007
You can make a million movies,

1163
01:12:19,088 --> 01:12:20,923
you can write a million books,

1164
01:12:21,008 --> 01:12:23,052
but I don't think
you'll ever figure Warhol out,

1165
01:12:23,135 --> 01:12:25,053
and I hope no one ever does.

1166
01:12:25,137 --> 01:12:27,557
[atmospheric music builds]

1167
01:12:30,727 --> 01:12:34,563
[Jeffrey Deitch] There was so much more
that Andy could have contributed,

1168
01:12:34,647 --> 01:12:38,442
and it's interesting what happened
shortly after his death.

1169
01:12:38,525 --> 01:12:42,863
It seemed the whole critical reception
just turned around,

1170
01:12:42,947 --> 01:12:48,452
and Andy, who never had a survey show
at the Museum of Modern Art,

1171
01:12:48,535 --> 01:12:51,247
his retrospective is planned,

1172
01:12:51,330 --> 01:12:53,665
all the values go up in the art market,

1173
01:12:53,748 --> 01:12:58,128
and there's just
this whole instant recognition:

1174
01:12:58,212 --> 01:13:01,215
"Wow, this was the genius of our time."

1175
01:13:01,298 --> 01:13:04,008
[atmospheric music continues]

1176
01:13:04,092 --> 01:13:07,930
[John Waters] I don't think there will be
an end of Andy, I think it keeps going on,

1177
01:13:08,013 --> 01:13:11,308
and everything he said
becomes truer and truer,

1178
01:13:11,392 --> 01:13:16,730
and his imagery becomes more imitated
and in everyone's consciousness.

1179
01:13:16,813 --> 01:13:20,442
I think it <i>is </i>never-ending.
I think it's going to go on and on and on.

1180
01:13:20,527 --> 01:13:22,277
[camera clicks and whirs]

1181
01:13:23,278 --> 01:13:25,072
[atmospheric music continues]

1182
01:13:25,155 --> 01:13:29,077
[AI Andy] <i>When I got home from the office,
I made a lot of phone calls.</i>

1183
01:13:30,787 --> 01:13:33,705
<i>Then I walked over to Halston's
to pick up Bianca.</i>

1184
01:13:36,458 --> 01:13:37,458
<i>She was cooking,</i>

1185
01:13:38,543 --> 01:13:41,755
<i>and the whole house smelled
like onions and hamburgers.</i>

1186
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:46,927
<i>We cabbed up to 86th Street,</i>

1187
01:13:49,178 --> 01:13:52,558
<i>and we finally hit </i>Saturday Night Fever
<i>at the right time.</i>

1188
01:13:53,183 --> 01:13:55,352
<i>And we were able to get in.</i>

1189
01:13:59,063 --> 01:14:02,233
<i>Well, the movie was just great.</i>

1190
01:14:02,317 --> 01:14:04,945
[atmospheric music builds]

1191
01:14:07,282 --> 01:14:10,492
<i>They played up Travolta's
big solo dance number.</i>

1192
01:14:13,078 --> 01:14:16,540
<i>I guess it's the new kind
of fantasy movie.</i>

1193
01:14:17,498 --> 01:14:20,335
<i>You're supposed to stay where you are.</i>

1194
01:14:21,503 --> 01:14:24,507
<i>The old movies were things like </i>Dead End.

1195
01:14:25,423 --> 01:14:29,468
<i>And you had to get out of the dead end
and make it to Park Avenue.</i>

1196
01:14:29,553 --> 01:14:31,847
<i>And now they're telling you
it's better off</i>

1197
01:14:31,930 --> 01:14:34,892
<i>to stay where you are in Brooklyn,</i>

1198
01:14:35,517 --> 01:14:37,643
<i>to avoid Park Avenue.</i>

1199
01:14:37,728 --> 01:14:40,563
<i>Because it would just make you unhappy.</i>

1200
01:14:42,398 --> 01:14:46,653
<i>It's about people who would never
even think about crossing the bridge.</i>

1201
01:14:48,113 --> 01:14:49,657
<i>That's the fantasy.</i>

1202
01:14:51,533 --> 01:14:53,368
[music fades]

1203
01:14:53,452 --> 01:14:55,913
<i>And New York looked so exciting,</i>

1204
01:14:57,497 --> 01:14:58,707
<i>didn't it?</i>

1205
01:14:59,248 --> 01:15:01,293
["Loving The Alien" by David Bowie plays]

1206
01:15:01,377 --> 01:15:08,175
<i>♪ Prayers they hide the saddest view ♪</i>

1207
01:15:08,258 --> 01:15:12,513
<i>♪ Believing the strangest things ♪</i>

1208
01:15:12,597 --> 01:15:16,642
<i>♪ Loving the alien ♪</i>

1209
01:15:16,725 --> 01:15:20,103
<i>♪ And your prayers ♪</i>

1210
01:15:20,187 --> 01:15:24,608
<i>♪ They break the sky in two ♪</i>

1211
01:15:24,692 --> 01:15:28,947
<i>♪ Believing the strangest things ♪</i>

1212
01:15:29,028 --> 01:15:34,033
<i>♪ Loving the alien ♪</i>

1213
01:15:34,117 --> 01:15:38,205
<i>♪ Fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa ♪</i>

1214
01:15:38,288 --> 01:15:42,083
<i>♪ Fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa ♪</i>

1215
01:15:57,642 --> 01:16:01,645
<i>♪ Thinking of a different time ♪</i>

1216
01:16:01,728 --> 01:16:05,732
<i>♪ Palestine a modern problem ♪</i>

1217
01:16:05,817 --> 01:16:09,778
<i>♪ Bounty and your wealth in land ♪</i>

1218
01:16:09,862 --> 01:16:13,867
<i>♪ Terror in a best laid plan, whoa ♪</i>

1219
01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:17,662
<i>♪ Watching them come and go ♪</i>

1220
01:16:17,743 --> 01:16:21,998
<i>♪ Tomorrows and the yesterdays ♪</i>

1221
01:16:22,082 --> 01:16:26,043
<i>♪ Christians and the unbelievers ♪</i>

1222
01:16:26,128 --> 01:16:30,132
<i>♪ Hanging by the cross and nail, whoa ♪</i>

1223
01:16:30,215 --> 01:16:32,677
<i>♪ But if you pray ♪</i>

1224
01:16:32,758 --> 01:16:39,267
<i>♪ All your sins are hooked upon the sky ♪</i>

1225
01:16:39,348 --> 01:16:43,395
<i>♪ Pray and the heathen lie ♪</i>

1226
01:16:43,478 --> 01:16:47,357
<i>♪ Will disappear ♪</i>

1227
01:16:47,442 --> 01:16:50,862
<i>♪ Oh, oh ♪</i>

1228
01:16:50,943 --> 01:16:57,827
<i>♪ Prayers they hide the saddest view... ♪</i>