This is the crime scene.
Do you get the feeling of anything come through?
Yeah.
It's overwhelming.
Whoo.
The mother of the victim is grieving.
She lost her son in a horrific way.
She deserves to have the answer as to what happened.
My goal is to be able to give her clarification and answers
in a way that allows her to move forward with a sense of healing.
This is coming through as a hit-and-run feeling to me.
I don't feel it happened somewhere else, and he was dumped here.
It's not that kind of thing.
I feel like I'm almost on the verge of a panic attack.
And with all of the traffic and whooshing by me,
it felt like I was taken back to the time that he passed.
Whoo.
Yeah. Whoo.
I wonder if he was listening to music
'cause I feel distracted, is the way I can describe it.
-Yes. Right. -So I'll have to probably ask Mom.
If he had a habit of listening to music when he would walk.
What I do know for sure is this person knows they did it.
So the person who hit him, it would've been extremely obvious.
While it feels accidental,
I feel like the person who did this had zero regard for his life.
And had no problem just continuing on.
Which is hateful.
It's extremely hateful. There's a feeling of, "I don't pull over."
-Right. -"I don't even care."
Uh, but this information, it's very helpful.
-I'm gonna be able to talk to Mom. -Absolutely.
-And see what else comes through. -That would be great.
Thank you for taking me here.
In going to see Aaron's mom, my hope is to really connect with her son
in a way that's different than at the crime scene.
This is a grieving mother,
and despite the mysterious circumstances that led to her son's passing,
she needs help.
She needs validation and she needs a sense of reconnection.
-I'll let you know what happens. -Okay.
-I'll see you shortly. -Thank you.
Thank you.
The reason I hired Robin is that there's never gonna be a closure for me.
But I need peace. I need justice.
I need people who actually did this, a part of it…
to man up and be accountable for what they did.
-Oh!
Hello! I'm Tyler.
Oh!
How's it goin'?
-Oh!
It's okay. It's okay. Give me a hug. I know.
-No way. -I know. It's overwhelming.
It's okay. How are you?
-Oh my gosh. -It's nice to meet you.
I know this is overwhelming. It is all okay.
-All okay. -I gotta sit down.
-Let's sit down. -Oh my gosh.
Absolutely. We can sit here, yeah. We'll get you all comfortable.
I'm happy to be here with you.
Thank you so much.
Sometimes people do bring objects or want me to hold onto objects.
-Do you have any? -Yes.
-If you don't mind grabbing 'em. -Okay.
-Oh, amazing. I love it. Very cool. -They're ties.
Thank you. Beautiful.
I'll just put these here, and I may hold onto them at various times,
just to kind of help make a connection, but…
-We will see what comes in. -Okay.
Just to let you know, 'cause I know you're not aware of much of
what I did earlier,
but I went to the scene of where your son passed.
I'm so sorry that you had to experience that.
I went trying to see if I could get any impressions,
and I felt so much love.
He is so much more than what happened to him, you know.
So I do have to talk about a number of people coming in today.
Yes, sir.
When I'm connecting on your mom's side,
I have a number of people from her side of family, all barging in,
and they're together, and they're happy, and they're with your son.
This might sound weird, but are there any instances
within your mom's side of family where a woman's name got repeated?
-There's two "I" names.
Are there two "I" names that we know of?
Can you tell me what they are?
-Iris. -Okay. And then?
Iris.
-Iris and Iris. -Oh, Iris and Iris. Double--
That's why I'm seeing double "I."
-It's weird. They're implied differently. -Oh my God.
There's a couple things. I was getting a double-eight connection.
-It's okay, but there's eights.
I'm seeing eights over and over again.
It usually refers to either eight the age,
eight the number, but it can also refer, weirdly, to the month of August
within the family, as being important.
-Does that make sense? Okay. -Yes, sir. 8-8-95, Aaron was born.
I see eights all the time. All the time.
-If I'm driving, eight, eight, eight. -Yeah.
He's coming across.
He's trying to make me laugh when he's coming in.
Giving funny faces, and when he comes through,
there's this feeling of just such joy.
-Gives me a smile. -That's my son.
-It looks like your smile. -Yes!
There's a feeling of, if he could look like anybody,
he wanted to look like you. He's like, "If I'm gonna resemble anyone,
what an honor to be able to look like my mom."
-That's my baby. -Yeah.
He also comes through with the feeling of never being able to, like,
"I'm not someone who would hurt a fly." Very much.
He's even joking me with, he may have saved some animals.
He loves, he loves… We have a little cat, Hippie.
-Yeah. -He loves Hippie.
-He would take care of her. -Absolutely.
But we rescued two dogs,
then went and got the third 'cause it was a brother.
-So yeah. -Yeah.
He has a message about his dad,
but I have to articulate that carefully.
-Yes. -Um…
He sees how much you've had to do independently.
And how maybe someone could extend the olive branch,
or help out a little more, and maybe has kinda stepped back.
His dad now lives in the Philippines and really disowned him.
Yeah.
So I had to handle a lot on my own.
Yeah. He's not angry, but he realizes it for what it is,
and you were always his rock.
-Always. Still am. -You were always his rock.
I lost the most important person in my entire life.
My only son.
He didn't do anything to anyone,
except wanna love someone and pray for you.
And I lost him. It's hard to imagine going on without him.
We had so many plans.
The last time I saw my son, Aaron, it was late at night
and a lot of long hours,
and I remember coming in, and I was in a mood.
I'm gonna be real. I was in a mood.
He's following me up the stairs. He's like, "Give me a kiss."
He always lifts me up and gives me a kiss, but I was in my mood.
Then I was finally like…
I gave Aaron his first kiss and his last kiss.
Hmm.
I didn't know.
When he comes across,
there is, um, a couple things.
He very much… When I was there earlier, and I wanna handle this sensitively.
-But I also wanna be honest with you. -Yes, please.
When I went to the scene earlier,
I was struck by how much of a surprise this felt like.
When I talk about an instant situation, it was one in the way this comes through.
For some reason, I didn't get a visual of seeing what was happening.
Feels almost behind me.
I know it's a weird thing to say, but when I was there,
I was getting more my back than my front.
I got back pain and started having what I described as spinal feeling.
So… This just happened extremely fast,
and he really did not know that this was coming.
Quite literally.
Um…
This was a path that he had gone through many times.
This, he had, I feel like, been on this road before.
Um…
He also simultaneously knew how dangerous it was.
So this is the interesting thing,
is I think he had been warned before to be careful
-on that particular road. -Right.
-Does it make sense? -Yes.
Yeah, and so he just gives me this impression of,
feel like I'm closer to the road than I should be.
But beyond that, I felt distracted with noise in some way.
I have to ask, did he ever listen to music when he'd walk?
He would, and I'd tell him not to.
Okay. For you, what do you feel is fishy?
We can talk about this and--
-I feel he was set up. Um… -Okay.
Someone had threatened to do the same exact thing to him a year before.
When I first worked on the case, when I got the folder in front of me,
I felt that there was a theory involving a racist.
It's just interesting that that theory came through the second…
Granted, there was just a file folder.
So I knew that was gonna be a theory
that had been considered and brought up.
But he doesn't come up with any feeling of blame, or judgment, or anger.
Typically, when people are targeted or murdered,
they will come through and say, "Look, this person did this to me."
But I'm less inclined to think that…
somebody targeted your son, or anything along those lines. Um…
I don't feel like the person who did this knew him.
It doesn't feel like that.
The amount of cruelty in this situation is immense,
obviously, for the fact that they just kept going,
but he acknowledges that he went very fast.
So it's not like he was, you know, lingering or suffering.
-He in his forgiving nature, is not angry.
His soul is free. He is not angry.
He did not hold on to this, and I feel like we're gonna make headway
in determining who did this.
I do feel like in the long run, justice will be served,
and I feel like he feels that, but he is not angry.
He is not angry. He is okay.
This is still very fresh, but as time goes on, you'll process this,
and he's gonna be instrumental in being that voice in your ear.
-Oh my God. -He's gonna be that voice in your ear.
In that way, you'll always have a connection to him,
I know it's not the same.
-You'd give anything to just hug him. -Yeah.
But I want you to know that we do reunite.
There's a lot of beautiful work that you're gonna do in this world.
This is not a goodbye. This is just a "See you later."
This reading gave me hope that I haven't had in over a year and three weeks.
-Yeah. -It's the first time I genuinely smiled.
-Good. -On the inside.
For him to come give me so much hope, so much love,
so much joy, is what I need in my life.
Thank you.
Thank you, Tyler. Thank you, Tyler. Thank you.
Thanks.
Oh.
That was intense.
That love. You can feel his soul,
and I have to tell you,
he has so much gratitude for you for not giving up on him.
-Yeah. -And you know what?
This wouldn't have been possible without you.
Oh, I appreciate it. You gave her something I couldn't give her.
That the police couldn't give her, no institution could give her.
Nobody would be able to. Doesn't matter what happened.
-Nobody can. -Amazing. Thank you for everything.
I spent last night actually scrying
a good portion of the evening.
It's where you look in a mirror in a dark room and meditate.
I did that in preparation for today and saw some interesting things.
I had, like, a… someone in there, basically not super young, not super old,
more that middle ground reference,
and that seemed more obviously tragic, because of the timing of it.
And saw a man with, like, facial hair, a mustache and a beard.
It was very creepy. That's the thing with looking into a mirror,
or doing mirror gazing, is that it's kind of jolting,
'cause you do see things in the mirror, and I don't really like that.
Whoa. Stuff comin' in now. Hearing the jingle of car keys.
Okay. What does that mean?
I don't know. It's what I'm hearing.
Car keys. I don't know.
-We're glad you're here. -Amazing.
You got peaches.
-In Georgia, you have to. -That's right.
We have peach iced tea and peach pie for you.
Look how big this ant is.
Do you see this? It's like a nature documentary.
He wants some of the peach tea too.
-It's all good. So you're Kylie. -I'm Kylie, yes.
-Your name is? -Kathy.
-Do you have an object for us? -I do. Hold that.
-So I'm gonna hold onto this. -Okay.
I'll start scribbling and see what happens,
and I'll start relaying everything that comes.
Okay. We got that, that, that, that.
Okay, come through. Come through. I got you.
There's someone who I thought would be here, but they're not.
Did you consider anybody else potentially being here today?
-To the reading… Yes. -Okay, and they didn't…
They weren't able to make it. Was this is a female?
-Yes. -I have to highlight that person.
Okay.
Okay, so this is kind of weird, but he's referencing to…
time of his passing.
There's a lot here. Do you know of any Williams in the family?
-I have a William. -You have a William. Is he passed?
-Yes. -Okay, so I'm gonna do "mom," "son" there.
"Williams."
There's a joke about rival sports teams,
or something along those lines.
-Oh my God. -The one off in the family.
If we have a whole group of people who are a fan of a team,
then we have one person who deviates from that,
and it's like, "Ha, ha."
'Cause William… They were all from University of Florida.
My sister and I went to Florida State.
-We were the rebels. -In the South, that's a big deal.
-I love it! Got you.
-So we have the William stuff. -Yes.
We have our guy here. What was his first name?
-Uh, Dennis. -Okay. We're gonna put "Dennis" there,
"William" over there. So it'll help me mentally separate.
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. Let's see here.
Hmm. Okay. Dennis, Dennis.
All right.
So yeah, they will do this, but he's referencing to after he passed,
a self-consciousness around… sometimes people will decide to do
an open casket or a closed casket.
He's not wanting to be remembered by how he looked after.
-He's showing a symbolically close thing. -Okay.
He doesn't strike me as passing away super young, but he's not giving me old.
-Okay. -He should've had more time.
How old was Dennis when he passed?
-Forties. -Yeah, in his 40s.
Huh! Showed me car keys, weirdly, with this.
-Do we have his car keys? -Don't think so.
-Do we know what happened to his car keys? -I don't.
I don't know why I'm getting this car key.
I've been hearing it on the way here. Like, jingle.
Um…
-We'll circle back. Gonna write it down. -Okay.
"Car… keys." All right.
There is somebody, I suspect either filled up with fluids very quickly,
or wasn't able to eliminate fluids from their body fully.
-Okay. -So there's something there.
And it feels like whatever this is filled up.
I feel like I've filled up, and I can't… They're doing this to me right here.
I'm very much going to my tummy. And I feel like I'm sitting like this.
-Do you think it's Dennis? -I think it's Dennis.
Yeah.
This is gonna sound ridiculous, but there's a funny story.
This probably is not gonna make any sense right now,
because there's a story of somebody jumping out of a building…
…jumping from a roof onto the ground.
There's something weird they're having me bring up to make fun of it,
in the way this comes across. What would that mean?
So his son used to go to their grandparents' house,
and he'd jump off the roof.
We sat on the roof together. When Grandpa would come out to catch us,
we'd have to run and jump off.
Gotcha. It's a funny thing. Going up, and then like I'm jumping down,
but in a comical sense. It's not how someone passed.
It's a funny thing of like, yeah.
-Like, "Run!" -It was one of our memories.
Being kids, and Grandpa coming outside,
and we weren't supposed to be on the roof. You better get off fast.
Gotcha. That kind of thing.
-There's a joke around that, so. -That's crazy.
They love to refer to things
that they know will be funny or kinda lighten the mood.
There is that acknowledgment.
You're good.
-It's all good. -So I--
-It's incredible. -Yes.
But, uh…
He's selective. I'm trying to get him to tell how he passed. It's going
a little back and forth.
Because he's showing me… okay.
I get a feeling of not feeling good,
but not wanting to talk about it or share that.
-Yeah. -There's definitely a feeling of…
I have to say with this, I'm hearing, sounds like
a gunshot reference. That'd be connected to him?
I feel like I have to highlight that aspect.
Interesting. He gave references to both him and his son.
Strange. Okay. Let me see here.
I wonder if somebody around Dennis either accidentally shot themselves…
I know it's a very weird thing to say, there's a story with a gun going off.
And I feel a sense of, "Wow, there's kind of weirdness around this."
It's not like… There's something strange there.
-Yeah. -Does that make sense?
-Yeah. -Very much.
-I'm sorry 'cause it's-- -No, that's what you're here for.
'Cause you bring up the emotions because it's right on point with Dennis.
-Yeah, it's okay. -And his son.
Yeah, there is definitely an element of, like, this feels… heavy.
Um…
We're gonna focus on his son.
-What was his son's first name? -DJ.
-DJ. Okay. -Yes.
-The one that jumped off the roof. -Gotcha.
-I have another object. -You do? Perfect.
-And so this is for DJ? -Yes.
Awesome. All right. Let me see what I can do here.
This is a heavy one. This is really sad. Um…
Comes through all good.
Anytime they show hesitance around talking about their passing,
it usually indicates, like, uh…
-They aren't proud with how it went. -Yeah.
I don't believe they hold onto shame,
but there's this feeling of,
"Ah, if I could do it over, wouldn't have gone this way."
He's bringing up this feeling of like,
"Darn, that was dumb. I shouldn't have gone that way."
He's not giving me the full, "I completely intended to end my life."
-It struck me like, Russian roulette. -Thank you.
Unconsciously, either being reckless or doing something they shouldn't be doing,
and then something happens.
They may not have planned to end it all,
but they put themselves in such a position where that they led to their death.
So it's kind of a feeling of, like, reckless is what comes through.
-Versus, like, "I wanted out." -Intentionally.
Yeah. That makes sense.
That said, I think there was some depression
that his son dealt with.
In talking about DJ, obviously, that's a lot there.
I just wanna know who he was to you and what happened.
Yeah. So DJ was my cousin.
We were really close as kids growing up together.
And pretty close in age as well.
And he committed suicide right after I graduated college.
-Gotcha. -But yeah.
So he was the one that tragically and suddenly passed away.
It made sense, like you were saying. I don't think that was his intention.
I think that he got in that dark headspace
and had access to something that, made a really final decision for him.
Yeah. And it was a real big tragedy for our family.
Yeah, absolutely.
Unfortunately, his father is the one that died before him.
And committed suicide. They both killed themselves with guns.
-I see. -So, and the mom found both of them.
-Yeah. Wow. -So, you know--
Separate occasions, years apart.
But she was--
So yeah. She's a very strong person.
And she was the one that if anybody we would want have
at the reading, would be her.
So I'm so glad you heard from them.
So we can share with her some of the great information.
It'll give her peace.
Good. Yeah, I think she was the one that should've been here today.
But she didn't have to be.
-You guys can give her gift. -Absolutely.
And let her know that they don't…
They don't want that image seared in her mind forever.
-Yeah. -Right.
Especially with Dennis, I will say he did give me a distinct feeling
of not feeling well, physically even,
before a good amount of time leading up to his passing.
So I think if his life hadn't ended the way that it did,
it was probably going to end anyway.
-It was. -Just a different way.
I think that was the rationale there for him to be able to do that, so.
So Dennis was my husband's brother.
They did an autopsy after he passed away,
and if he had not died by suicide, he would have died from liver failure.
-Makes sense. Yeah. -Yep.
On some level, he had to be aware of that
because he gives me too much of a feeling of,
"I knew, but didn't want others to know."
-Yeah. That makes sense. -It's a tough position.
-People don't want to suffer. It's hard. -Right. Yeah.
So before the reading, we were asked to write stuff down,
of messages we hoped to come through.
-Nobody saw these before. -Nope.
So I wrote, "Roof."
I wrote, "Favorite cousin,"
and then, like, "River," talking about Florida.
So that was all pretty much hit on as well.
That was my big key of,
"Hey, this is something I haven't talked to production about."
"I haven't talked to Mom. I haven't talked to anybody."
"So let's talk about the roof."
Just happy that we just got some really good information from them,
'cause they're not here. Their lives were cut short.
Hey, Kylie.
Hey, Aunt Laurie. The big thing that he kept referencing
is a third person that wasn't here today.
And we, of course, immediately thought of you.
That is unreal.
He was referencing some keys, and jingling keys.
I have, like, three sets of keychains of Dennis and DJ's.
Oh my God.
I can't tell you how many times the two of them would lose the keys.
-That's so funny. -My god.
-I have all those keys. Oh, wow.
Did Uncle Dennis used to do anything about feeling uncomfortable,
or putting his hands on his stomach?
He, uh, used to press on his stomach underneath his rib cage,
and kept telling me it was heartburn and how that hurt.
Yeah. -It's so crazy.
It was incredible.
Wow. How awesome. How awesome.
-I'm glad you had a good day. -I did. It was great.
But just try to enjoy every day because you know what?
-Life goes so fast. -Oh yeah.
You get Monday and Tuesday off.
Maybe you could go outside and get a walk in.
-There's never anyone there. -Zero interest in going outside.
No one will bother you. You can't stay in bed.
-It's not healthy. -Wanna bet?
-No, on a serious note-- -I get up to walk around, and I go pee.
Your ass is gonna fuse to that bed.
-You know what? -Literally.
It's gonna be fused to the sheets. You're gonna get bedsores.
You know what? You need to tone it down.
You can't lay in bed. It's not healthy. You're exhausted,
and your job takes a lot of physical and emotional strength.
I walk to the bathroom.
Yeah. Oh, BFD. You know what "BFD" means?
Big effing deal. Okay?
-You know what, little woman? -Yes.
-I love you so much, Tyler. -I love you.
-That was a gorgeous man on a lawn mower. -Do you want me to turn around?
No, real technical way to get it on the canvas there.
After a reading, I have natural processes I go through
to cleanse myself of the energy and the weight. I take a shower.
Literal physical bathing helps.
I meditate. I paint. I try to spend more time alone
in order to try to shake it off.
I don't know. I think this one's gonna get painted over.
Kinda looks like an inflamed butt.
This is like the end product. It's the ring of fire.
That's what I'm gonna call it. "Ring of Fire."
It's objectively bad, but let's see.
Um…
Yeah, we'll do a bit of that.
-Good sign is I have a lot coming through. -Good.
-Yeah, I'm seeing baseball… -Really?
I'm seeing, uh…
Like, awards, but I think they're awards somebody got when they were alive,
and they're no longer alive, but we still have their awards.
Wow.
So is this your first time here?
It is. I did get a reference to the sports connections here.
-Oh, wow. -This is surreal.
It is a special place. You know, it played a big role in the 1984 Olympics.
-Oh okay. -But what year were you born?
In 1996. So a little before my time.
I was floating around in the ether.
-But yeah, what a beautiful place. -Yes.
I'm really hoping to connect with somebody who's really important to me.
It's been really hard the last couple of years.
I felt isolated and alone.
You know, he was somebody that I could always talk to,
and I miss our conversations.
I've been wondering, is he proud of what I've done?
Okay. I woke up this morning, not expecting this,
so I'm really excited.
Before we start, what's your first name?
-Jeanie. -Jeanie. Okay, cool.
-Do you have any objects? -I brought some.
Cool.
Fabulous.
Great. So I'll tell you first what I got on my way here.
I had this very masculine energy coming through.
This guy who was just, like,
intensely determined to try to come through and talk to you today.
Very much like, "It's me. I'm here. You're gonna talk to her."
And there was just this feeling of an extremely strong…
Like when someone walks in the room,
and he dominates attention, or almost like all eyeballs are on him.
He was that kind of guy.
The interesting thing, and I didn't know where we were meeting,
but I was getting references like trophies, honors.
It's giving me a lot of imagery of the things that we have that
are more achievement-related.
So things that someone might have done that warrants giving them a plaque,
a trophy, a medal, that kind of thing.
Does that fit the bill for him?
-Yes. -Okay. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
He's having me acknowledge that his name was put on something, and it's not like a…
I don't… I've sat on benches before where someone had their name on the bench.
It's not like that.
It's so obvious, we wouldn't be able to ignore it.
-That's how I'd describe it. Make sense? -Yes.
-Okay, cool. -He is definitely trying to impress you.
He's showing you something you would understand and connect with.
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, seems very important for him.
Um…
It's kind of a funny weird quirk that I'm gonna bring up.
Okay.
If someone is financially comfortable,
usually, they'll keep updating things, buying new things, adding to a collection.
He's showing me this situation where if I have something, and it works,
I don't need to buy a new one. But I feel like I held on to things.
-Does that make sense? -Totally.
But yet he was fully…. It's not like he was not well-off.
I mean, he could've totally done it, but he was showing me this feeling of,
"If it works, you don't need to get a new one."
But it's a quirk. It's a funny thing. Does that make sense?
I… You have no idea how many times he had that conversation with me,
because he had a couch in his office that was dated.
And I thought, "Oh, I'll surprise him."
And so he came into the office, and he was like, "Where is my couch?"
I'm like, "No, look at the new one we got."
And he goes, "How would you feel if I came to your house
and took your favorite pair of slippers, and I replaced them with new slippers?"
"That's how this feels to me. Like, you know, I like this."
-If it's broke, don't fix it. -Right.
Yeah. This is very much the feeling.
It's funny and admirable.
I mean, it shows that he wasn't all about stuff.
But it's more practical. It's really interesting.
And then, um… Okay, I've got that. That.
All right.
I'm trying to figure out… getting more specifics.
We'll get into it more.
Um…
I want you to know when he comes through, he feels like you knew him in a way
that nobody else was ever able to fully get into.
He showed me a nut. You cracked him.
-You cracked it. You got in there.
And it's funny. He comes across,
he gives me this feeling of, he was many things to many people,
but I feel like to you, I feel like you knew the core of who this person was.
And in many ways, there's this feeling of, like, just, I can be vulnerable,
and there's an appreciation in there with that.
You had to be everything to him
because when this comes across, he's insistent, like, "This is my one."
And it's really sweet. I just love that.
Uh…
He's bringing me to the last six months of his life.
-Okay. -He didn't want there to be any…
frustration. Um…
I'm trying to think how to articulate this.
There's a feeling here of, I didn't tie up the loose ends that I needed to tie up,
and I'm sorry for it.
He's bringing up this feeling of,
"It's the only thing that I would've really, really, really done over."
That's very important to him from what I can tell,
that that situation not skew how we remember him.
Um…
Who is this for you?
My father, Dr. Jerry Buss.
He was the owner of the Los Angeles Lakers.
That's why we're sitting in the LA Coliseum.
He attended this university,
and, you know, he came from very humble means,
and it was really a dream for him to be able to attend
this school on scholarship,
and he loved sports.
I like to say, my dad had his children.
-But the Lakers were his baby. -Right.
He's been gone now for eight years and
didn't really talk about death.
He loved his life.
He loved everything that he did.
It was too hard to say goodbye.
There was a reference to the name on something you couldn't ignore.
So what was that?
He was very specific that he wanted a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
Whoa.
It was one of my dad's proudest moments.
He was just beaming to be part of Hollywood.
That's amazing. I love that.
They're shifting gears a bit,
which is a good sign. They're gonna elaborate more.
Old vision stuff. Trying to figure out what this is.
Okay.
It's weird. They're having me talk about someone losing a sibling.
So… and the passing of a sibling, and it seems significant in some way.
Um, but I don't know how this pertains.
-'Cause I'm only seeing what I'm seeing. -Yeah.
Um…
-Did you lose a sibling? -Um…
-But by choice, not by passing. Right. -Gotcha.
-So there's that disconnect. I see. -Right.
Um, would this have been a sister?
-Yes. -Yeah, okay.
You know, I just want him to know, I wish he could have told me sooner,
and that whatever fear, concern he had about the information…
-Yeah. -Like it… I'm good.
It doesn't bother me at all.
Like, and I wanna make sure he's at peace with that.
My parents, when they were first married, they had a child.
-And they gave up the child for adoption. -Yeah.
And after, you know, they never shared it with us.
And then after he passed away, my mom shared that with me.
Then about a year and a half ago,
we found the sister that I never knew I had.
And I think that was something that was important
to my dad that he just didn't know how to tell me.
Right. It comes through as a feeling of patting you on the back.
-So you handled it great. -Thank you.
Of course. Are there any other questions that come to mind related to him?
You know, that… That he's happy with the job that I'm doing,
and I want to know that he's proud,
and that if there's anything he wants me to know, or that's all.
He feels like, in many ways, you will spread his legacy,
and he's like, "Thank you for doing this."
I feel like you're spearheading it.
In many ways, it feels to me like he felt you've stepped up to the plate,
when maybe others were expected to.
You know, he, he, he left me in charge.
The way he had set up the business,
it wasn't being successful.
And he had told me that I had the ability through the trust
to make changes.
And I'm relieved to hear that he said I stepped up to the plate
because that was probably one of the hardest things I've ever had to do,
a couple of years ago, was make the changes
in order to get that success that he wanted it to be.
Envisioned. That makes sense. I love that.
I'm gonna think about him as I move forward in my life.
Because he and his impact here today was special for me,
so I'm so thankful to be able to talk to you today.
I hope to see you again.
It'd be great if I could get you to come to a game.
-You know it. -I would appreciate it.
-You'd be very popular, I think. -I would love it.
-Everybody would come up to you. -I'd love to go. We'll figure it out.
Isn't there someone in your family that's a huge fan of basketball?
Of basketball? Who are you thinking of?
Your mom.
My mom? You know what, that's right.
-My mom is a huge basketball fan. -Is she really?
I'd love to meet your mom and have you bring her to a game.
I think you'd have a great time.
So we'd really love that.
Like everyone else, I went on his website,
and I signed up on the waiting list,
hoping that someday, my name would be called,
and I would have an opportunity to sit with him.
And, um, he can make that connection.
He's very special.
It sounds like you had a big day.
Oh, it was huge. It was crazy.
It was the… that was the daughter of the founder for the Lakers.
-What? -Yeah, her name is Jeanie.
-You met Jeanie Buss? -Yeah.
Oh my God.
I feel a sense of relief, and happiness, and connectedness,
and just a nice…
like, I feel like I got a hug.
From your dad?
It's really nice.
-All right. I'm ready. -Let's go.
It'll be good to see Felicia and Peter.
Hopefully, they have some answers.
-Or can give you their perspective. -Yeah.
I'm going to Hanford because I wanna learn more about
what happened to my mom's family.
I'm glad I'm doing this today alone,
just because it's such a sensitive thing.
I didn't want my mom to be here because I'm very protective of her
and just didn't want to trigger anything in her.
I want Felicia and Peter to be able to talk openly,
without worrying how she'll feel about it.
I haven't seen them for a while
because I don't go to Hanford very often.
It doesn't evoke happy memories for me.
It was a time in my life that was categorized by pain,
and not seeing a way out, and feeling trapped,
and wishing I was somebody else.
I've never seen this side of Hanford.
There's not a part I haven't seen, but it's been a while.
This area looks like Georgia.
Yeah.
Very conservative.
This is where Stella murdered people
and done a lot of bad things.
There's something very evil there.
I mean, there's more that we don't know that is just very dark.
I'll introduce you at another time.
This is such a heavy thing.
-Yeah, I'm good. -Probably not the best time.
I'll tell you how it goes.
I'm okay. I'm all right.
-Okay, is this good? -This works.
-All right. I'll be back. -Okay, will do.
All right. Ah.
-Hello! -Hurry up, Tyler!
-I'm running. I brought brownies! -Oh my God!
-How's it going? Oh, you look beautiful. -Oh my God, you're so pretty.
Oh.
Oh!
You're looking great!
You're too cute! How are you doing, Mr. Griller?
-Hey, how do you like your ribs? -You know what? I like carrots.
But I brought brownies, so I'm making up for it.
We were talking about your mom, how--
-That's right. I made those, though. -Oh, you did?
Better watch out 'cause I'm not a very good cook.
-You remember the last time you saw us? -It's been like seven years.
-That is a long time. -Yes.
-It's been a while. -Pass me that potato salad.
Absolutely, there you go.
So, how have you been?
I've been good. Just staying busy, with everything going on.
Obviously, you know a lot's evolved in the past couple years.
-My mom. -I know.
It all started with a DNA test.
-That really threw us. -That was kind of crazy.
It threw all of us. We were shocked.
I'm just so thankful that you all are still in my life.
Well, I tell you like your mama, go ahead, I don't care.
She's always gonna be my sister.
-You're always gonna be my nephew. -Exactly.
You can't cut off emotions because somebody told you
they're not your sister or brother. Know what I mean?
I was having that conversation on the way here.
There's no way we could ever think of Theresa as not family.
-Yeah. Of course. -I mean, there's no way.
See, Mom left for a year, and then she came back.
Then she left for another year, and came back.
And when she came back, she had Theresa.
-I see. -And I was holding her in my arms.
She was so cute.
She was like an angel light to me.
-You're a survivor. -Yeah.
-Oh, big time. -Yeah.
-Been through hell. -It's why I want to do this.
Why I wanted to meet with you both is because you showed such resilience
in going through this--
Yeah, I'm surprised I'm not a druggie.
-That's commendable! -Or living on the street.
-Or in jail or anything. -People are going to be inspired.
Because… my story, I mean, it's just, lived in torture.
-Yeah. -You know, for years.
What Peter had to go through, and everybody involved.
You know what? That's the one thing I cannot forgive Mom for.
-Understandable. -What she did to Pete.
-Of course. -I could get over what she did to me.
But not to my brother. I will never, never forgive her for that.
-I understand. -It was horrible.
-Yeah. -I warned Pete.
-I told him, I go, "You be careful." -Yeah. She did. She did.
She created so much anger, and divisiveness, and chaos.
-All your feelings are warranted there. -Yes.
I never even have had the chance to speak to her, and she
deeply infuriates me.
Not only what she did to my mom, but to you and Peter.
It seems like everyone she touched in some way was negative.
Yeah. She was just cruel.
-Needlessly. -Cruel and evil.
No reason behind it.
And I just, you know, and I always thought if I'd be real good…
-Yeah. -You know, she won't hit me this time.
-It's not about that. -Or anything.
-I'd be scared to come home from school. -I know.
You know, it was just a horrible life growing up in that house.
Yeah.
I just hated her.
-After 13, I started hating her. -Yeah.
-It was just a nightmare. -Yeah.
Theresa understands what I went through because she went through a lot.
Like I did.
That was just so surreal for me to hear for the first time.
I've never realized what they had to really deal with.
I see my mom wake up in the middle of the night.
She has PTSD really badly,
and I've traveled with her across the country,
and I'll hear her in the other room
at night, just saying in her sleep, "I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm scared."
I hurt for my mom in a way I can't even convey
because there's a lot more there that we don't know.