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-Do you know who Ruth is?
-Yes.
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-Okay. You're very young.
-Yes.
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So you might not know.
But that's… This is who she is.
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-What? What?
-Yes.
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Are you kidding me?
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Whoa.
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Bette Davis. I was always
a fan of her over Joan Crawford.
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I will put that on the record now.
She was my favorite.
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Well, she somehow brought me to you.
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Yeah.
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I worked for her for ten years,
up until she passed.
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Yeah, and then when she got
the cancer, everything changed.
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She had cancer. She had a stroke.
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So yeah, but in the end,
she went in great glory.
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Wow. Absolutely.
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-Wow!
-She was amazing. She still is.
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-I always…
-Absolutely. She still is.
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The Ruth that came through,
help me understand that.
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Bette Davis's full name
is Ruth Elizabeth Davis.
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-Quit it. Yes.
-Now I'll show you one thing.
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I did not want to show this.
He said, "No, no."
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-Yeah. Right.
-Because if I showed it, you would know.
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But… This… There was, years ago,
a show called This Is Your Life.
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-Wow!
-And this was hers.
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So this is Bette Davis
with all her Oscar nominations.
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-Wow. Thank you.
-Okay, you can look at it.
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Yes, this is when her birthday is.
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This is when she got married.
That's when she had B.D.
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-Absolutely.
-This was hers, and I thought, "Okay."
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"Come on in."
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Wow. Well, she sure did!
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The things that came through today
are to validate she is still in existence.
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-Oh yes. Big…
-Still around. A strong personality,
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but she just kind of brought through
a lot about her legacy, being remembered.
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-Yep.
-In a big way.
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How we carry the torch
moving forward with honoring her.
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It's interesting. When it comes to that,
it's going to be on you.
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-It is.
-It's weird to say.
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-Not a group effort. It's all you.
-You are right on.
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-And in doing that--
-She's blessing.
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-Yes.
-She's with me which I--
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She wouldn't trust anybody
except you to do this.
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-That's true.
-You need to know.
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My takeaway from the message is,
you're on the right track.
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The right people are going to be involved.
It's gonna happen. You needed that.
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-I cannot thank you enough.
-Of course.
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Oh my goodness! Absolutely.
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I'm still in shock. That's so cool.
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-What an honor for me.
-I'm very grateful to you.
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-I knew… I didn't know why, but…
-You were on point.
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-That's why we were shocked.
-You were so on…
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I have been very doubtful.
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-Sure. Yeah.
-Totally doubtful.
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And you gave me confirmation.
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-I'm so glad.
-Thank you.
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That's amazing. I'm gonna carry
this day with me for the rest of my life.
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I mean, that's so special.
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I'll see you all later.
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Bye, Tyler.
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-Thank you.
-Bye.
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Oh!
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Oh my gosh!
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-So…
Amazing.
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Ah!
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To our loved ones and Tyler.
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-For bringing us together today.
-Absolutely. Cheers.
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Of all celebrities that have come through,
Bette Davis is by far my favorite.
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I believe she wanted me here
because she had something to say,
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just the way it came about.
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-Hey! Tell me.
-Do you wanna see who came through today?
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-Bette Davis! We're gonna talk about it.
-No way.
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-I cannot wait.
-Bette Davis came through today.
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That's crazy.
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-You know what's weird?
-What?
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In the psychomanteum yesterday,
I said I had a vision of a woman
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with a very distinctive birthmark spot.
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Like a… what looked like a mole.
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-But right up on her upper lip area.
-You said that. My God.
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-No way. She was coming to you yesterday.
-Bette Davis's role in Baby Jane
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was with a very unique birthmark,
right directly by the lip.
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-Isn't that crazy?
-Yes.
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Insane.
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-All right.
-Now I just need to find out where…
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Wait.
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-Oh wait, they're buttons!
-Yeah, it's all there. Isn't that…
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-That's very high tech.
-Wait.
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All right, I'm gonna go in reverse then.
But wait.
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-Okay. All right.
-There's a learning curve.
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-Every car is different.
-We're getting there.
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I had a dream of burning alive,
which was really pleasant.
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-That you were?
-Yeah. I was like, "Well, shit."
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What does burning usually signi--
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Well, that, like, image of the phoenix
rising from a fire, right?
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Like, you burn everything down and then…
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You rise from the fire.
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I'm sure that you and your mom
are feeling stuff now
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that you're processing
and feeling emotion.
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That might be part of your subconscious
working through some of that stuff,
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'cause you guys are, in a sense,
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saying goodbye to the ancestry
you thought was you.
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Right. Wow, that was deep.
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That's very insightful
'cause that could be what it is.
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-Are you getting any new vibes?
-Nothing new--
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Now that we are in the vicinity.
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-That's a train.
-Mm-hmm.
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I was having visions of intersections.
Like, roads intersect.
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-Warehouse.
-I know. Where are we?
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It doesn't look like
you're going to a house.
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True psychic ability here is to be
figuring out where I'm going.
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Well, the pin is pointing
to this thing right here.
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Gotcha, gotcha Okay. Interesting.
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Huh.
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-Okay.
-I don't know.
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All right, we're gonna go…
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this way. All right.
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Well, I have to use my intuition
to find out where I'm going.
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In that way,
I guess the reading starts early.
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I appreciate you being a good sport.
I mean, like, what the hell?
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I trust you a lot, obviously.
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Clearly.
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-Hi! How's it goin'? How are you?
-Hi. How are you?
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-Hi. Oh my God.
-How's it goin'?
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-It's good to see you.
-I'm about to freak out.
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How are you? Hey. What's up?
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-Well, no, like, I absolutely love you.
-Aw, thank you.
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I do. Like I really do.
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Is that a normal reaction?
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-Oh yeah.
-I'm like, "Yo, what up?"
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And she's like…
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I love it.
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We're married, and we're all friends.
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We all know each other
because of being paramedic family.
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Jennifer and I are paramedics.
Casey does our hair,
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as well as, more than half
of the department's hair.
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So basically, before we start,
the only thing I'm going to mention
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is that anybody can come through.
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Anybody have any objects?
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-I brought several things.
-Cool.
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Like a badge. No pictures though?
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-Yeah, no pictures.
-Let me just turn this around.
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All good. Perfect. Thank you.
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So what I'll do is I'll scribble.
We'll start kinda connecting.
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Then I will hold on
to the objects in a minute.
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I just got to see
what comes through organically first.
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One sec.
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All right.
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Okay.
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I'm nervous.
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-I'm fascinated.
-Yeah.
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All right.
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I had a lot coming through
on the way here.
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That oftentimes will happen for me,
which is helpful.
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It means there's a lot of information. Um…
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It's kind of interesting.
I'm amused that I'm reading three people.
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On the way here, this morning,
I woke up, and I kept seeing, like,
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"Is it three people? Or four people?"
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But I wonder if there might be a message
for someone who isn't here physically.
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That they might have wished was here.
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Or thought they were going to be here.
Or wanted to be here and couldn't.
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That came through very strongly
on the way here.
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Oh.
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-True.
-I know who it should be.
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Good to keep that in mind.
I'm gonna keep going here.
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I'm gonna start to connect,
and I already have this coming in.
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All right.
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Um, do you know any woman
who would've dealt, within your family,
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of a cancer?
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But not at an age
when we would normally think of cancers.
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-Whoa.
-Like, "Way too early to get cancer."
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-Do you know of any situations there?
-My mom.
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-She had an operation to remove cancer.
-To remove.
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Wow.
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There is, uh…
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Okay.
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There's this thing that's…
Let me see here.
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Hmm…
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I do feel… So for you,
do you know of anybody
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who dealt with any brain issues
in your family that would have passed?
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Dude, get… Get out of here.
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References like neurofeedback
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always refer to, like,
the brain almost dealing with damage.
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And so, it's like, if someone has
literal holes in their brain,
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or had something
very much brain structure.
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We're not even talking biochemical.
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That's a different kind of thing.
This is something's wrong with the brain.
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-They're just pretty much there.
-Oh. Oh.
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And that's a lot to process.
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Mm…
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If you were to ask me
how my mom would die,
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I would not have told you
that she had a seizure.
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I took care of my mom.
We had ups and downs with her health.
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And it got to the point
that I couldn't take…
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care of her.
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In my job,
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you make life-and-death decisions.
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And when it came to my mom,
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and saying…
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It was the hardest decision
that I've ever made.
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-Thank you for sharing that.
-Yeah.
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I had a number
of non-tragic passings coming through.
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People who passed away
at an age-appropriate age,
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nothing dramatic in that way.
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But I had this one passing coming in
that did feel premature
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and did feel really tragic.
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So it definitely strikes me
as more of a situation involving somebody
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who did not get to see their life through.
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But this person,
it's really a tragic thing
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because of the timing of when they passed.
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When they died,
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they're bringing up the life
that was to be had
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and what their future was gonna hold.
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I feel like my life's taken
from me pretty suddenly.
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Now, in the way that this comes through,
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I am going to hold onto this
because I feel drawn to this object.
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I'm trying to figure out what this is.
Cause it feels almost idyllic. Like, um…
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Picture perfect.
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Then, I just feel like,
there's this acknowledgment of this,
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but it's weird.
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Without giving anything away,
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can any of you relate to somebody
who would have passed away prematurely?
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-Yes.
-Okay.
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-Give me one sec.
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There's this hat.
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This is definitely not a hat
when I'm holding onto this.
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-But I'm seeing a hat. It's kind of weird.
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I almost brought a hat.
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Did you? Whose hat did you almost bring?
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-His.
-Okay.
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So let me bring up this hat,
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and I'm like, "I'm holding this."
I'm like, "That's not a hat."
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I'm gonna keep going.
'Cause I've got that, that, that, that…
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I'm trying to figure out how this applies.
Give me one sec.
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Anybody know of a Wayne?
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-Anybody? Wayne?
-Yes. Uh-huh.
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Yeah? How does Wayne relate
to the younger man who passed away?
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-That's his uncle.
-Was his uncle. Okay.
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-His uncle like to fish at all?
-Uh-huh. He is a fisherman.
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-Okay.
-It's crazy.
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Hmm.
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Feels like…
241
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Weird.
242
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He showed me all these lines of vehicles,
for some reason.
243
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I don't know why.
244
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You know when a president dies,
and they have the procession of cars?
245
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There's this feeling of,
246
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"I realize I was loved
when I saw this in such a big way."
247
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It seemed meaningful for him.
248
00:12:50,311 --> 00:12:54,857
And then I'm just kinda curious to know
who this was for you. What was his name?
249
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His name was Trey. He was, uh… Sorry.
250
00:12:59,403 --> 00:13:01,155
-It's okay.
-Let it out.
251
00:13:01,238 --> 00:13:04,825
Um, he was my husband, and, um…
252
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We had a little girl.
253
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And four weeks after she was born,
254
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he came home from work,
and everything was totally normal.
255
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We went to sleep, and…
256
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he had a seizure
in the middle of the night.
257
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Then long story short,
we went to the hospital,
258
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and they found a lesion on his brain.
259
00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:33,521
And that started our three years
of brain tumor radiation and chemo.
260
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There was this feeling of,
261
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"I didn't kill myself."
262
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It's not that kind of thing.
But, "would've done things differently."
263
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Men are very, very difficult
to make y'all go to the doctor.
264
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And I said it from the very,
very beginning with Trey.
265
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If he had gone,
maybe they would have done extra tests
266
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and seen it, and maybe
we could have been on top of it.
267
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Maybe there would've been
something different, but, um…
268
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-I don't know. That's just… Yeah.
-Yeah. Did everything you could.
269
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-Wow.
-My daughter told me, when after Trey died
270
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that she felt him rub her back to sleep.
271
00:14:14,061 --> 00:14:16,188
-Do you think you can feel his hand?
-Yes.
272
00:14:16,272 --> 00:14:19,233
-Absolutely. Yeah. The warmth. Yeah.
-That she can actually--
273
00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:23,445
-She was three, but I believed her.
-Yeah. Absolutely.
274
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I often find that they sometimes
will not come through repeatedly
275
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because they don't want
to make our grief process worse.
276
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-Okay.
-Sometimes they will visit once.
277
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Just to say, "I'm all right,"
or to communicate, "I'm with you."
278
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So that does sometimes happen.
It's not abnormal.
279
00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,547
He comes across, honestly,
with a sense of humor.
280
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-He does.
-And a dumb sense of humor.
281
00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:47,303
I mean that kindly.
I mean it in the most loving way possible.
282
00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:50,806
I feel like he could be silly sometimes,
just for silly's sake.
283
00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,183
And you know what dad jokes are?
284
00:14:53,267 --> 00:14:55,311
Jokes that are like, "Really? Come on."
285
00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:56,937
-That's totally him.
-Yeah.
286
00:14:58,689 --> 00:15:01,567
All right. Okay.
287
00:15:02,192 --> 00:15:04,945
Keeps showing me a clock,
and any time they show me a clock,
288
00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:08,407
it always indicates their passing
that they basically waited to go.
289
00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:12,202
And then when he got the permission to go,
I felt like he went.
290
00:15:12,286 --> 00:15:14,079
And he just can't stress enough
291
00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:18,626
how much he understands
how hard that was to do and how difficult.
292
00:15:18,709 --> 00:15:22,379
There's this feeling of, in one ear,
"No, hang in there, stay with us,"
293
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and in the other,
"No, it's okay. You can go."
294
00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:29,053
Being given that permission allowed him
to transition in such a peaceful way.
295
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We surrounded him at home, and, um,
296
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I told him it was okay.
297
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-And that's when he passed away.
-Wow.
298
00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:40,230
Now, do you know of anybody
who worked around, like, oil,
299
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like, oil rig or oil stuff?
300
00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:45,069
Just having me highlight
that reference as far as that goes
301
00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:46,445
'cause that was weird.
302
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If that did come in.
303
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-There's a lot.
-Oh, shit! Sorry.
304
00:15:50,783 --> 00:15:51,951
It's all good.
305
00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:57,831
It's all good. All good.
306
00:15:57,915 --> 00:15:59,500
Who worked in the oil stuff?
307
00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:02,920
-My current fiancé does. My dad does also.
-Gotcha.
308
00:16:03,003 --> 00:16:04,797
They're putting a lot of excitement
309
00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,257
around your personal life,
even beyond the fiancé.
310
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Things are looking up.
There's so much excitement.
311
00:16:09,718 --> 00:16:11,929
There's so much life to be lived.
312
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I feel like for you,
I can't stress enough,
313
00:16:14,264 --> 00:16:18,394
how much love there is there for you,
and how excited he is for your future.
314
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For me, that's the biggest takeaway.
315
00:16:20,604 --> 00:16:23,857
-So--
-That means the world to… to me.
316
00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:28,487
-Of course.
-It does. It means the world to… to me.
317
00:16:29,029 --> 00:16:32,658
One thing I did wanna discuss was
the reference to the line of vehicles.
318
00:16:32,741 --> 00:16:35,119
It seemed interesting.
It seemed meaningful for him.
319
00:16:35,202 --> 00:16:37,955
That was Trey's procession to the funeral.
320
00:16:40,165 --> 00:16:41,709
Trey was also a paramedic.
321
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:48,298
At the burial site, they had
probably several hundred paramedics,
322
00:16:48,382 --> 00:16:51,260
just lined up for, like, the last call,
323
00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:55,180
which is where they, like,
retire his badge number.
324
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This is last call for 6-1-7.
325
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Over the past seven years, you have shown
a caring and compassionate dedication
326
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to family, friends, and East Baton Rouge.
327
00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:09,611
You will be dearly missed.
Gone but not forgotten.
328
00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:12,156
John Dolan Thompson, III, Trey.
329
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End of watch, 13:24.
330
00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:22,583
It was definitely, definitely
significant and, uh, amazing.
331
00:17:22,666 --> 00:17:26,003
-Wow. What a send-off. That's beautiful.
-Oh yeah.
332
00:17:26,086 --> 00:17:28,672
I was a fan before,
but I'm a super-fan now.
333
00:17:29,339 --> 00:17:31,091
Thank you very much.
334
00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:48,567
Now that Theresa's in New Orleans,
I wanna show her places of significance
335
00:17:48,650 --> 00:17:49,651
in our family,
336
00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:53,280
because this is part of who she is too.
337
00:17:53,363 --> 00:17:56,158
-You're gonna enjoy this.
-I know. What a memory.
338
00:17:56,241 --> 00:17:58,744
-I'm gonna try not to cry.
-Oh my God.
339
00:17:58,827 --> 00:18:00,662
It's okay. It's all good.
340
00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,040
-It's a beautiful, happy day.
-I know.
341
00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:07,044
From what Mary has told us,
she was too young to remember anything
342
00:18:07,127 --> 00:18:09,963
about what lead to the circumstances
of my mom's disappearance.
343
00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,800
I'm excited to be able
to walk through her old neighborhood.
344
00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:14,968
What should've been
my mom's old neighborhood.
345
00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:18,430
Maybe get some psychic impressions
that might fill in some blanks.
346
00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:21,767
It might be a stretch,
but stranger things have happened.
347
00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:26,230
Oh wow.
348
00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:28,357
What's happening here?
349
00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,776
We're on a journey
to find the house we lived at.
350
00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:32,027
Okay.
351
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,362
When Mama met your daddy.
352
00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:37,533
-I see. Okay. Interesting.
-We're gonna go right in here.
353
00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:39,368
-We're gonna go inside?
-Yes.
354
00:18:40,077 --> 00:18:42,955
I lived here as a child, with my brother.
355
00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:45,332
Mama was married twice.
356
00:18:45,415 --> 00:18:47,918
Her first husband, she was 18.
357
00:18:48,001 --> 00:18:49,628
And he left Mama.
358
00:18:50,129 --> 00:18:53,132
Then George and I's father.
359
00:18:53,215 --> 00:18:55,968
He just basically… he left her with us.
360
00:18:57,010 --> 00:18:59,680
My mother was cooking in this house,
361
00:18:59,763 --> 00:19:03,934
and on that day, she met Theresa's father.
362
00:19:04,017 --> 00:19:05,894
His name was Joe.
363
00:19:06,812 --> 00:19:08,480
He was out painting on this road,
364
00:19:08,564 --> 00:19:11,525
and I said my mom was making biscuits.
365
00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:14,820
-And so that was the--
-Then you got more than biscuits.
366
00:19:14,903 --> 00:19:17,781
-We did. A lot of unanswered questions.
367
00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:20,993
Being at this house
in Algiers Point is overwhelming for me.
368
00:19:21,076 --> 00:19:23,370
So far, I'm getting a lot of impressions,
369
00:19:23,453 --> 00:19:26,373
but I have no context
to really place these impressions.
370
00:19:26,456 --> 00:19:28,792
None of my biological family
lives in that house.
371
00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:32,504
And so because of that,
I have no way of placing what I'm getting.
372
00:19:33,338 --> 00:19:37,926
-So what do we know about him?
-Yes. So she had two bad marriages.
373
00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:41,972
She thought that Joe was gonna marry her.
He told her he was gonna marry her.
374
00:19:42,055 --> 00:19:44,141
Well, that didn't work out, did it?
375
00:19:44,224 --> 00:19:47,561
Well, I don't know
what his intentions were,
376
00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:52,900
but they weren't to support Mama
after she became pregnant for Theresa.
377
00:19:52,983 --> 00:19:57,821
Can you imagine?
Two children, unwed, pregnant.
378
00:19:58,322 --> 00:20:01,617
It's just, there was so much shame.
379
00:20:02,492 --> 00:20:03,493
Theresa, baby.
380
00:20:03,577 --> 00:20:05,329
-It's where you were born.
-My God.
381
00:20:05,913 --> 00:20:08,832
This is where
you were taken from Mama.
382
00:20:08,916 --> 00:20:12,294
-And it was a woman-and-child hospital.
-Wow.
383
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:16,131
-And, um-- Yes.
-Just for women having babies. Okay.
384
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:20,928
I believe there were nuns there,
way back, when it was an older hospital.
385
00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:24,556
At that time,
there was a lot of placement of children.
386
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,517
Stella was always so rooted
in religion too.
387
00:20:27,601 --> 00:20:30,020
Tyler told me a little bit
about what he thought.
388
00:20:30,103 --> 00:20:32,147
That's how she got
those vulnerable mothers.
389
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,067
Oh, that's exactly how
because she always found a way to,
390
00:20:35,150 --> 00:20:37,736
like, weasel her way into churches
391
00:20:37,819 --> 00:20:39,863
and play on people's sympathy.
392
00:20:39,947 --> 00:20:44,034
And I mean, if you've heard Stella talk,
she was a Sunday School teacher.
393
00:20:44,117 --> 00:20:48,705
How Mama met Stella,
and how it led to her getting Theresa
394
00:20:49,206 --> 00:20:52,668
may be a mystery, but I do know
we don't just throw our family away.
395
00:20:52,751 --> 00:20:55,379
That was a sick situation,
396
00:20:55,462 --> 00:20:58,006
and it's still sick,
because it ain't finished.
397
00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:03,804
This area, this whole area was
a blocked-off area
398
00:21:03,887 --> 00:21:06,181
that was the Saint Thomas housing.
399
00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:09,559
-So people actually lived there… Yes.
-Like low-income housing?
400
00:21:09,643 --> 00:21:11,770
Yes, but they called it the projects.
401
00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:13,063
The projects, right.
402
00:21:14,439 --> 00:21:16,066
-Okay.
-Interesting.
403
00:21:16,858 --> 00:21:19,319
So I wanted
to share with you, Theresa.
404
00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:22,155
-This is 601 Saint Mary.
-Okay.
405
00:21:22,239 --> 00:21:26,285
This is where you and I
saw each other for the first time.
406
00:21:26,368 --> 00:21:29,371
-And I never forgot that beautiful girl.
-Oh my God.
407
00:21:31,123 --> 00:21:33,709
-One day, Stella came to our house.
-Yes.
408
00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:37,504
It was just me and Mama at home.
I was around ten years old.
409
00:21:37,587 --> 00:21:40,048
Based on what you're saying,
I would've been five.
410
00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:44,386
Yes, and when she came in,
there was really not a whole bunch said.
411
00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:47,472
It was a very odd visit,
but I didn't know who you were.
412
00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:50,058
I didn't know who this lady was.
I had no idea.
413
00:21:50,142 --> 00:21:51,893
-You knew something was wrong.
-Yes.
414
00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:56,273
And Mama was not happy,
and Mama took you upstairs.
415
00:21:56,773 --> 00:21:59,693
-And she freshened you up.
-Right, right.
416
00:22:00,694 --> 00:22:04,406
And Mama had a, um…
It was a utility closet.
417
00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:07,993
Stella, she went into that closet.
She stole my baby picture.
418
00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:12,372
See now, that's another thing.
She stole your baby picture.
419
00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:16,335
So she needed that
to help support having me,
420
00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:18,420
and we're sisters, and we look alike.
421
00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,714
There had to be
something in it for Stella.
422
00:22:20,797 --> 00:22:22,299
Always an ulterior motive.
423
00:22:22,382 --> 00:22:24,426
-She was so sneaky.
-That's crazy.
424
00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:28,847
So Mama came downstairs,
and she had your hand.
425
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:34,603
Then the next piece I have in my mind
is that when we were at that back door.
426
00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:36,772
I felt we were saying bye.
427
00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:40,484
But when we did, you and I were like this.
428
00:22:40,567 --> 00:22:44,029
So maybe Mama wanted to make sure
that we got to see each other.
429
00:22:44,112 --> 00:22:48,075
Mama tells me right at the door,
"That's your little sister."
430
00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:51,995
It's hard to understand why my mother,
Mary Baroni, couldn't take me back.
431
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:54,706
Well, I, I, I just… I just looked at her.
432
00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:57,000
I wanted to know
why we weren't getting you.
433
00:22:57,084 --> 00:22:59,127
-Right.
-And she said, "I can't."
434
00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:00,504
So that's when we sat down.
435
00:23:00,587 --> 00:23:02,464
-Yeah.
-And that's when she cried.
436
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:04,341
And then she was, "Stella."
437
00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,511
And I remember that day of you, Theresa,
438
00:23:07,594 --> 00:23:10,097
so specific, and…
439
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:12,933
I can't even explain it.
440
00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:14,017
It's huge.
441
00:23:14,101 --> 00:23:17,270
-Yeah. Yeah, it is.
-Tyler. It's huge because…
442
00:23:20,857 --> 00:23:22,567
-It's just huge.
-Yeah.
443
00:23:23,276 --> 00:23:24,361
It's okay.
444
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:29,991
-I wanted to make him proud of me.
-It's okay, baby.
445
00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,118
I know it's…
446
00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:38,041
I'm thankful for my Aunt Mary,
taking us across New Orleans
447
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,127
and seeing all these important sites,
448
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,421
but they haven't really led
to any answers.
449
00:23:42,504 --> 00:23:45,507
I've got a lot of impressions
and no context of understanding
450
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:46,758
what it all means.
451
00:23:46,842 --> 00:23:49,344
It's possible
that the only way I'll get answers
452
00:23:49,428 --> 00:23:52,973
to how Stella took my mom
will be through reading my Aunt Mary,
453
00:23:53,056 --> 00:23:54,808
and I hope I have that chance.
454
00:23:54,891 --> 00:23:58,019
-I'm glad we're able to be to do this.
-It's true. Me too.
455
00:23:58,103 --> 00:24:00,897
-Me too.
-I commend you for your strength there.
456
00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:04,651
-'Cause that's a lot to have to process.
-I'm good. Thank you so much.
457
00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:06,778
It was so much intensity
to the situation
458
00:24:06,862 --> 00:24:12,075
that it was simultaneously refreshing
to see Mary and my mom together today,
459
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:13,618
but also bittersweet because
460
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,956
you can tell there's still a lot there
on both sides that is being processed.
461
00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,666
You can feel the heaviness.
462
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,003
It's complicated.
463
00:24:38,435 --> 00:24:40,145
All ready
for the podcast today?
464
00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:41,688
I am. I am excited for Kesha.
465
00:24:41,771 --> 00:24:44,232
-Your headphones.
-Fabulous. I will put those there.
466
00:24:45,358 --> 00:24:47,277
-Should I put them on?
-That should work.
467
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,779
Yeah, let me see.
See if I can hear everybody.
468
00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:52,157
Kesha's on screen here.
469
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,659
-Kesha's on screen!
-Hi.
470
00:24:55,660 --> 00:24:58,163
Video and audio's going. We're good.
471
00:25:04,169 --> 00:25:06,796
Welcome to Kesha and the Creepies.
472
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,674
I am so excited. I am nervous.
473
00:25:09,758 --> 00:25:14,679
I'm feeling all the feelings to have
my next guest with us, Tyler Henry.
474
00:25:14,763 --> 00:25:17,265
-Thank you for coming on my podcast.
-Oh, of course.
475
00:25:17,349 --> 00:25:19,935
I wouldn't miss it.
I'm excited for the opportunity.
476
00:25:20,018 --> 00:25:25,065
Where to even begin with you?
I just… I'm so curious about your gift.
477
00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:28,735
Basically, this started for me
when I was actually only ten years old.
478
00:25:28,818 --> 00:25:31,238
At ten, it's something
that happens to you.
479
00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,949
It's not really something
you identify as an ability.
480
00:25:34,032 --> 00:25:36,785
And so it took
some time to kind of step into it.
481
00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:39,621
Are you still finding yourself
stepping into it?
482
00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:42,332
Totally. Even at this moment,
there's little things
483
00:25:42,415 --> 00:25:43,833
that come through for you.
484
00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:46,545
But there is something
to be said about balance.
485
00:25:46,628 --> 00:25:49,881
-Wait, you can tell me things?
-I can tell you one thing, if you'd like.
486
00:25:49,965 --> 00:25:52,133
-I don't want to overwhelm you.
-Okay, sure.
487
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:54,135
So before I hopped on the line today,
488
00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:57,597
I was seeing my symbol
for the sun and the moon.
489
00:25:57,681 --> 00:26:01,226
The sun always represents
to me, like, a birthday, life,
490
00:26:01,309 --> 00:26:05,355
and then the moon represents
people passing away. You know, death.
491
00:26:05,438 --> 00:26:07,190
So there's that dichotomy.
492
00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:10,318
What was so interesting is,
I don't know if your mom has a sister.
493
00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,445
-They're putting emphasis around--
-She does.
494
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:13,905
…what'd be an aunt for you.
495
00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,659
There was an interesting acknowledgment
with the sun and the moon thing of
496
00:26:17,742 --> 00:26:22,205
within 24 hours,
there being a birth date and a death date.
497
00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:26,001
So, like, when did your grandmother pass?
498
00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:30,380
-I don't know. Do you mind…
-You can totally check. Feel free.
499
00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:33,091
-My boyfriend is texting my mom.
-Yeah, no worries.
500
00:26:33,174 --> 00:26:35,760
Because there's a funny reference
for your aunt.
501
00:26:35,844 --> 00:26:38,138
That every time
it's her birthday or something, she…
502
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:41,182
Your grandmother wouldn't want
to kind of make the date sad.
503
00:26:41,266 --> 00:26:44,728
It feels like there was a passing
and a birthday right next to each other.
504
00:26:44,811 --> 00:26:50,525
Really? My boyfriend just told me
that my grandmother died on December 7th,
505
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:53,069
and my aunt's birthday is December 6th.
506
00:26:53,153 --> 00:26:55,989
-I didn't even remember that.
-Okay, so that is interesting.
507
00:26:56,072 --> 00:26:59,451
It would've been within
a 24-hour-ish period
508
00:26:59,534 --> 00:27:01,286
of the birthday and the death day.
509
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:04,998
That is so weird. So that would be
why I was seeing the sun and the moon.
510
00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:06,625
Oh my God.
511
00:27:06,708 --> 00:27:07,959
Very strange.
512
00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:10,170
Come through, Tyler.
513
00:27:10,253 --> 00:27:11,713
Yes. I love it.
514
00:27:11,796 --> 00:27:14,090
This has been the loveliest conversation.
515
00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:15,008
Aw.
516
00:27:15,091 --> 00:27:16,676
I appreciate it. Genuinely.
517
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,889
-Love to you. Thank you.
-Love to you. Bye.
518
00:27:20,972 --> 00:27:23,391
-We did it.
-Woo-hoo.
519
00:27:24,351 --> 00:27:25,226
Oh.
520
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:28,563
-Yeah. That was great.
-Oh my goodness. That was fun.
521
00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:40,742
Mary, she's so sweet.
She brought me gifts.
522
00:27:40,825 --> 00:27:44,913
I mean, let's just start with this.
She brought me some documents to show you.
523
00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:47,165
-Wow. So these are all family stuff.
-Yeah.
524
00:27:47,248 --> 00:27:50,960
This is just little sweet things.
I just want to show you this.
525
00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:53,922
-This is my mother's perfume.
-Oh.
526
00:27:54,005 --> 00:27:56,841
And this is
a really old-fashioned perfume,
527
00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:58,677
which I know I've seen before.
528
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,389
When she brought it out, I was like,
"I've seen this bottle of perfume before."
529
00:28:02,472 --> 00:28:05,684
I washed my hands a couple of times,
but it still smells lovely.
530
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,311
-Yeah, it does.
-Isn't the smell lovely?
531
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:11,856
And then this is just…
Rosary beads are usually beads.
532
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:15,652
But this happens to be a rosary rope,
which I've never seen before.
533
00:28:15,735 --> 00:28:18,488
-Fascinating.
-Someone must have made it for my mom.
534
00:28:19,447 --> 00:28:21,658
Yeah. That's hard to look at.
535
00:28:21,741 --> 00:28:26,413
I mean, I know. It's nice to have
those things, to have a connection.
536
00:28:27,205 --> 00:28:28,248
This has been a lot.
537
00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:32,627
I feel for you deeply in a way I can't
put into words, and I know that you…
538
00:28:33,336 --> 00:28:35,672
say you're all good, but I just-- I…
539
00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:38,216
I feel for you in a way
that I can't articulate.
540
00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:39,634
And it's just very…
541
00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:41,428
sad.
542
00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:44,180
I just can't focus
too much on certain things.
543
00:28:44,264 --> 00:28:48,351
I know when it's time for me
to stop talking to my sister Mary.
544
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:49,978
-Yeah.
-I love my sister Mary.
545
00:28:50,061 --> 00:28:52,480
But right now, I feel physically drained.
546
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:58,153
I don't want to cry.
This is not going to be a crying thing.
547
00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:02,157
That ship sailed, but it's okay.
I mean, you gotta let that out
548
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,367
'cause you are such a strong person.
549
00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:08,455
-I know. I know.
-But you need to feel what you're feeling.
550
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:10,874
I know, Tyler. I wanna go now, okay?
551
00:29:10,957 --> 00:29:11,791
Yeah.
552
00:29:11,875 --> 00:29:13,501
-I love you. I'm sorry.
-I love you.
553
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:15,044
This is draining for you too.
554
00:29:15,128 --> 00:29:19,048
No, I, I can only imagine
what it's like for you. It's just…
555
00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:21,217
Yeah… It's…
556
00:29:23,595 --> 00:29:24,804
I need to freshen up.
557
00:29:24,888 --> 00:29:27,432
-Then I'll be ready to go.
-No worries. Take your time.
558
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:33,521
My mom is great at compartmentalizing,
559
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:37,859
and there's times where she has no choice
but to go with what she's feeling.
560
00:29:37,942 --> 00:29:40,945
But generally, she's pretty good
at putting a box on a shelf
561
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:42,363
and not looking at it.
562
00:29:46,242 --> 00:29:47,535
You know, my mom left,
563
00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:48,828
camera crew left.
564
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,955
I had this box in front of me,
and I was like,
565
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,584
"I'm gonna go through it," of course,
and I did. I held onto the rosary
566
00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:58,546
and looked at the picture and all that.
I tried it on, wrapped around my neck.
567
00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,173
And I started bawling
568
00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:02,509
because it was so emotional for me.
569
00:30:02,592 --> 00:30:05,011
I could feel my mom's pain.
I had my own pain,
570
00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:08,556
with knowing this was somebody
I never got the chance to meet.
571
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,018
This person was my grandmother.
If it weren't for her existence,
572
00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:14,479
my existence wouldn't be possible.
573
00:30:14,562 --> 00:30:18,358
And it just feels like we were
both really robbed of that relationship,
574
00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:20,109
and now everything
575
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:24,030
that we had was just… in a box.
576
00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:26,533
And it wasn't her. It was just her stuff.
577
00:30:27,033 --> 00:30:28,993
There was something painful about that.
578
00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:31,538
That's the extent
I'll ever get to know my grandmother.
579
00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:34,290
Better to have
something than nothing, but…
580
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:39,128
the things don't replace
the void of the absence
581
00:30:40,046 --> 00:30:41,256
of her presence.
582
00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:42,465
Yeah.
583
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:47,512
In the box, there is a picture
of my great-grandmother.
584
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:51,057
And my mom said
that it's nice to have a picture of her,
585
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,725
but looking at her also
586
00:30:53,768 --> 00:30:56,896
was painful because she just felt
like, "How could you…
587
00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:03,444
have not stepped up and, like, done more
to prevent this from happening?"
588
00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,952
I'd love to know
what happened at the hospital with Mama.
589
00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:13,538
Yeah, me too.
590
00:31:13,621 --> 00:31:16,624
And I can scribble on it
and see what comes through.
591
00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:21,212
Uh, such a hard thing
to be emotionally detached from.
592
00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,214
-I know.
-But I can try.
593
00:31:28,386 --> 00:31:32,265
I'm definitely getting some
impressions, and as I'm delving into this,
594
00:31:32,348 --> 00:31:36,019
I'm really trying to detach myself
from what's coming through.
595
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:39,105
If I get too emotional,
too invested, too biased,
596
00:31:39,188 --> 00:31:41,900
then my connection
to the other side becomes skewed.
597
00:31:44,527 --> 00:31:45,486
There.
598
00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,698
It's funny reading family,
599
00:31:48,781 --> 00:31:51,200
but I'm going to relay
exactly as it comes through.
600
00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:57,040
It's pretty evident to me in my belief
601
00:31:57,123 --> 00:32:01,252
that your grandmother may have had
something to do with the process
602
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:03,129
of how things panned out.
603
00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:05,840
Not knowingly, necessarily--
604
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:08,843
-That it'd be a bad sort.
-It would be difficult… Right.
605
00:32:08,927 --> 00:32:11,596
But she wanted to help
and give my mom a better life.
606
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:15,892
And the way this comes across…
607
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,607
There's just this feeling
of it being too late
608
00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:24,901
once I realize that something's wrong.
609
00:32:26,861 --> 00:32:30,949
It definitely feels like
my mom had to have been…
610
00:32:33,576 --> 00:32:36,788
obtained through means
that your mother was not intending.
611
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:40,667
Mm…
612
00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:42,251
Yeah.
613
00:32:44,045 --> 00:32:44,963
Phew.
614
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,677
We don't have clear-cut proof
that my great-grandmother knew,
615
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,596
or even facilitated the adoption,
but yet, for some reason,
616
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,642
I think, my soul knows that my
great-grandmother had some involvement in
617
00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:59,727
trying to give my mom a better life.
618
00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,564
That is literally all… I… my grandmother.
619
00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:08,111
The only connection I have to her now
is going to be in this box, and that's it.
620
00:33:08,194 --> 00:33:10,738
Yeah.
So did you hold on to any of them?
621
00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:12,365
-Yeah. I did.
-At all? Did you?
622
00:33:12,448 --> 00:33:15,535
I just had a minute with myself. I cried.
623
00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:18,496
I didn't feel or see anything
or have any visions.
624
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:20,665
You know, but, uh…
625
00:33:21,958 --> 00:33:23,543
This is a very humbling moment for me.
626
00:33:23,626 --> 00:33:27,338
As a medium, I'm used to holding on
to everyone else's objects and connecting
627
00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:28,631
with their loved ones.
628
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:32,010
I'm holding onto my own object,
wearing it around my neck.
629
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:33,511
And I felt nothing.
630
00:33:35,263 --> 00:33:36,639
-Wow.
-Yeah.
631
00:33:36,723 --> 00:33:40,768
Felt, like, for the first time,
it felt like a… I don't know.
632
00:33:41,352 --> 00:33:43,521
It was a moment
I felt like I wasn't a medium.
633
00:33:43,604 --> 00:33:45,273
I was just a human being.
634
00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:47,859
That was humbling. That's why I cried.
635
00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:51,696
Because I just thought,
"Wow. I'm not feeling anything from it."
636
00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:55,158
"I'm just feeling sadness.
Just like anybody else would feel."
637
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,871
It's almost like
this is your kryptonite.
638
00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:00,955
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
639
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,709
The answers I give to others
I so badly could benefit for myself.
640
00:34:04,792 --> 00:34:09,380
It almost feels like a universal,
cosmic joke that I can do this for others,
641
00:34:09,464 --> 00:34:12,800
but then, when I need it most for myself,
nothing happens.
642
00:34:12,884 --> 00:34:15,928
I would love for them to be like,
"This is what happened,"
643
00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:18,639
but I haven't gotten
even an inkling of that.
644
00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:22,060
And in this case,
it's just too close to home.
645
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,730
-Do you feel frustrated by that?
-Yeah, it is frustrating.
646
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,816
All it'd take is one person
to come through and give me the answer.
647
00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:34,280
But that's why this pursuit has been
so important to try to find sources
648
00:34:34,363 --> 00:34:37,158
to back up the narratives
of what we suspect.
649
00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:43,790
I'm still trying to figure out
exactly how that all pieces together.
650
00:34:53,549 --> 00:34:57,637
What do you think the difference
between superstition and OCD is?
651
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,932
-I think they're the same.
-Yeah, it sounds like superstition.
652
00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:03,684
Yeah, no.
It's, it's completely the same.
653
00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:07,063
I mean, I don't consider myself
a superstitious person.
654
00:35:07,146 --> 00:35:08,648
Just kind of stitious.
655
00:35:09,398 --> 00:35:11,526
-I'm just kidding. That was dumb.
656
00:35:12,068 --> 00:35:14,821
-I'm semi-stitious.
-Yeah, medium stitious.
657
00:35:19,826 --> 00:35:21,410
It's beautiful up here.
658
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:24,497
My nerves are like going up.
I'm like, "I need a shot."
659
00:35:26,582 --> 00:35:28,543
-That's your problem.
-I know you hate that.
660
00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:29,961
Yes. That's your problem.
661
00:35:30,044 --> 00:35:33,297
I feel like I do. Oh God.
662
00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:35,299
I'm, like, shaking.
663
00:35:35,383 --> 00:35:37,218
Yeah, I'm nervous.
664
00:35:37,301 --> 00:35:40,388
You know, for the last few years,
665
00:35:40,471 --> 00:35:45,560
I told you something about myself
I feel like you may have already known.
666
00:35:45,643 --> 00:35:48,104
Definitely makes me happy in my life
667
00:35:48,187 --> 00:35:49,897
that you're proud of me
with everything I do.
668
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:51,858
You know how your support is huge to me.
669
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:54,819
I have people that passed away
that were super close to me
670
00:35:54,902 --> 00:35:58,322
that I want to know are proud of me too.
Or what if that person don't
671
00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:01,617
and then I'm… I guess
they're kind of left wondering.
672
00:36:04,912 --> 00:36:06,539
-Here we are.
-All right.
673
00:36:06,622 --> 00:36:08,583
Oh, this is a tight little…
674
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,042
Yeah, very tight, isn't it?
675
00:36:10,126 --> 00:36:14,422
-That's what he said. That's terrible.
-Oh my God. Heather.
676
00:36:15,006 --> 00:36:15,923
Oh God.
677
00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:20,553
Ooh.
678
00:36:20,636 --> 00:36:24,348
Pretty. Pretty, pretty.
679
00:36:24,432 --> 00:36:27,059
-Hello. How is everyone doing?
-Hey.
680
00:36:27,143 --> 00:36:29,770
-Great. Thank you for coming.
-Thank you for having me.
681
00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:33,316
-This is cool. What a beautiful view.
-Yeah, it's amazing, right?
682
00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:34,317
Yes.
683
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,570
I have my notebook here,
and throughout this process,
684
00:36:37,653 --> 00:36:38,905
you will see me scribble.
685
00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:40,615
-Okay.
-I have stuff coming through.
686
00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:44,160
It's helpful. We'll talk about it.
Did either of you bring objects?
687
00:36:44,243 --> 00:36:45,369
-I did.
-I didn't.
688
00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:46,704
These here are coins.
689
00:36:46,787 --> 00:36:49,207
Fabulous. So you can keep those there.
690
00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:52,877
-And this as well.
-Oh, that. Cool. I love that.
691
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,088
What I'll do is I'll scribble.
I'll relay everything that comes in.
692
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:08,893
All right, I have more
than one person coming through.
693
00:37:08,976 --> 00:37:11,854
So people even connected
not to this object but others as well.
694
00:37:11,938 --> 00:37:13,940
So the interesting thing with this
695
00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:16,901
is that there's this feeling
of amusement that you're here
696
00:37:16,984 --> 00:37:18,277
or that you're sitting here.
697
00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:21,280
They're glad you made it,
but I don't know if you were nervous,
698
00:37:21,364 --> 00:37:24,450
apprehensive, not really sure,
but they're happy you're here.
699
00:37:24,533 --> 00:37:26,160
I feel I have to highlight this.
700
00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:30,331
On some level of family, you know,
associations, people we know,
701
00:37:30,414 --> 00:37:33,793
a number of people within your family
passed away at a very old age,
702
00:37:33,876 --> 00:37:37,129
and we're all good. It's not a big deal,
but there's these couple,
703
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:40,341
these two passings I have to talk about
to me that feel premature.
704
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:45,554
Okay.
705
00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:50,017
The older of the younger passings
is interesting me more
706
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:53,312
than the younger-younger one. Okay.
707
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:56,732
This guy passed away
more in the middle ground.
708
00:37:56,816 --> 00:37:58,776
I feel it's a male,
the way it comes across.
709
00:37:58,859 --> 00:38:01,070
Do you know a male
who passed away in middle age?
710
00:38:01,153 --> 00:38:03,781
-Yeah.
-Okay. 'Cause I feel like he's important.
711
00:38:08,327 --> 00:38:10,329
Now, there is a situation…
712
00:38:10,997 --> 00:38:12,581
Oh.
713
00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:17,837
Somebody was in
a really rough situation emotionally
714
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,798
before they passed
within how the family was changing.
715
00:38:20,881 --> 00:38:24,760
-I have to kind of explain this 'cause…
-I got chills.
716
00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:27,763
If someone's
in the middle of a breakup,
717
00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:32,852
or a custody battle or, like,
were at a kind of contentious time,
718
00:38:32,935 --> 00:38:36,105
and then this person dies.
This is what they're giving me.
719
00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:38,357
-Really clearly. Does that make any sense?
-Yes.
720
00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:41,402
So that seems pretty significant.
Who would that be for?
721
00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:45,406
Do you want to know everything?