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Here we go, Jeff.
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We've got rings.
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There's only one movie franchise
that starts with rings.
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Hey, my name is Ben Schwartz.
I play Sonic the Hedgehog.
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My name's Jeff Fowler.
I am the director of Sonic 3.
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- And 2 and 1.
- And 2 and 1.
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And two, and one, and go.
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It worked perfect.
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And that's Sonic the Hedgehog,
and that's Golden Axe.
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Look at all these classics.
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How many of the games
do you think you've played and beat?
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I mean...
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There it is. Sega.
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Remember the first one where we tried
to do my voice six times saying "Sega"?
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I still have that recording.
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One of these days,
we'll get it into a movie.
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Ominous music.
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- What does that mean?
- What could that mean?
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What does that mean immediately
for the third one?
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Setting the tone.
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- Prison Island. Easter egg.
- Already an Easter egg.
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Yep. Sonic Adventure 2, of which
there will be many Easter egg references.
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- GUN.
- Yeah.
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- Jorma Taccone.
- Our good friend Jorma Taccone.
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Director of a Knuckles episode.
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Yeah, episode 4, the rock opera.
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He's also attached to a movie
that I wrote. I love him.
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And we're picking up
right where we left off in Sonic 2.
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Shadow in the Cryo Tube.
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So, yeah, really important for this movie,
I think, to all of us on the team,
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to just set Shadow up,
set the tone for the film up and just...
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I think we looked at the character
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and everyone just knows how important
his backstory is to the fans.
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And it was just so important
to get it right.
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And Alyla Browne,
who plays Maria, just came in
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and just was a wonderful addition
to the cast.
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Perfect Maria.
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I think she's gonna be a big deal someday.
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And... But, yeah, all this...
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We storyboarded this very early,
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really wanted this to be, you know,
exciting and action-packed,
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and just set the tone for the film.
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What did you...
What was it like auditioning Marias?
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'Cause there's so much...
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What were the auditions like for that?
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We actually got very lucky.
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So, we found our way to Alyla
kind of through George Miller.
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She had worked with George Miller
on a few things including Furiosa.
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She was the young Furiosa.
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And you could just tell, like, she had it
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and was a perfect match for the look
of Maria from what the fans know.
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So, honestly, if you'd asked me
what would I have been very nervous about,
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it would have been casting Maria.
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And yet it just
really came together quickly.
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And then, of course,
the other bit of casting was Keanu Reeves.
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Oh, yeah. What's the process of that?
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Just reaching out and pitching him,
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and telling him how much this character
means to fans, and how excited...
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and how perfect he is for the role,
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and how excited fans would be
for him to become a part of these movies.
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And fortunately, he said yes.
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So was it a Zoom meeting?
What was your first time meeting him?
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Yes. I met him over Zoom with
our producers Neal Moritz and Toby Ascher,
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and we pitched him
and showed him a bunch of stuff,
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and yeah, he got it and I think
was really into it and said yes.
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I love it. I was so excited
when you told me we got him.
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- It was such a big moment.
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No, I mean, honestly,
just the perfect voice for Shadow.
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Also, by the way,
let's call out all the Easter eggs.
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An Easter egg of her playing
the acoustic guitar, the song from...
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was it Sonic Adventure 2?
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"Live and Learn," yep, yep.
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Again, just really want the fans
to watch this
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and just see very early
that we know what's important to them,
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and that we're always looking for ways
to incorporate it into the movie.
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I will say...
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Although I guess I would have to watch
the first two movies again, but...
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I think the first act of this film
is one of my favorite acts of any of the...
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- It's... It moves fast.
- It's so...
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- The first act of this film...
- Yeah, it cooks.
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So, movies are usually
in a three-act structure,
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and you know, so, in terms of acts,
the first act of this film,
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I think, is one of the best acts
of anything you have done.
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- Thank you, no.
- I love it.
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It just... It really moves.
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We're always considering pacing
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and we know we gotta move fast.
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We just wanna have fun
and tell a great story.
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And, yeah, the pacing
is always a big part of that.
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By the way, remember this? This beat,
you added some more comedy to this.
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- Yes.
- This part didn't exist.
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This didn't exist and you added it.
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No, I just... It's Sonic's first moment
in the movie,
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and we're always just wanting
to make memorable scenes
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and have fun with things,
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and it just felt like
a really very unexpected way to introduce...
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There's a couple of last-second additions
you did that made a huge impact.
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The biggest one, I think,
is the first movie with the turtle.
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- Yes.
- Wasn't initially in the movie,
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and I think literally defines
who Sonic is immediately.
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Like, takes a slow turtle,
lets him go for a ride,
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puts him down shaking,
says something funny and goes.
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It's... You get so focused on the story
and the character arcs,
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and you really want to get
that all working,
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and then once that all sort of clicks,
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then you just go looking
for those little punch-ups.
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And you're always an incredible partner
with the comedy and with the punch-ups,
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and always up for pitching jokes
and giving us a ton of great choices and...
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But yeah, it's always fun when you feel
like you got the story in a good place
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and then you just go looking
for these parts in the movie.
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And some of it comes, too,
from when we have test screenings
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and you see what the audience reacts to
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or where it feels like
you could do better or be funnier.
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And so you just take all that information
and just go at it and try to plus it.
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That's what's funny because
for the beginning process...
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Well, by the way,
pre we're usually not part of it all.
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But then when you're actually filming--
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Another Easter egg.
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What is this dance?
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You don't dance like that,
is that what you're saying?
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Maybe I danced like that on the day...
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I've seen you do that dance.
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But I am a... I'm...
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You see all the actors for months,
and then you don't see them again.
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And then you see me for months.
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It's almost like making two movies.
It really is.
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It's like we have the live-action
component, we have the physical shoot,
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then we go off and we build the sets,
and we work with the cast,
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and you know, Jim Carrey
and James Marsden and Tika Sumpter,
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and they all come in and do their thing,
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and then we all high five and we hug
and we say, you know, "That's a wrap,"
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and then we're off to visual effects.
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And then visual effects
becomes its own thing,
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and it's time to bring
all these little CG characters to life.
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And the cast
just keeps growing and growing.
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Obviously, with Shadow,
we've added our fourth CG character.
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And so these really have become
just big endeavors,
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in terms of the animation,
and something I love.
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I come from that world
and just love animated characters,
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love working with actors
to create the performances,
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and working with artists and the animators
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to create the characters
and bring them to life.
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Is there a part
that feels most home for you?
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Is there like, "When I'm off to VFX,
I feel like I'm at home,
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and it's just my comfort zone."
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Yeah. When we're getting first passes
of animation,
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when it's blocking and the animators
are basically taking Sonic or Knuckles
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or Tails or Shadow
and just doing very early posing
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and working them through the scene,
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that's kinda what feels the closest
to home in terms of my experience.
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That was my first job in the industry,
was a character animator,
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and so I love getting to look at
the shots with the animators.
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Just kind of pitching ideas,
giving them feedback,
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and then seeing them run with it
and take things,
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and they just make 'em great,
and add their own ideas,
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and bring their own, you know,
artistic sensibilities to the characters.
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It's awesome, and I really love it.
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So this was great.
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I think this third movie,
being back in the cave,
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I think a lot of what I enjoyed
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when we were scripting the movie
was just these kind of callbacks.
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You know, it's like a third movie.
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I feel like there's a very natural
tendency to reflect on where we've been
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and how we got here,
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and kinda just celebrate
a lot of the journey.
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And, of course, Sonic's journey
began in that first film with his...
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once he came to Earth, and living his life
in this cave and being an outsider,
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and he's grown so much since then.
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But it's fun to come back here,
to revisit this, have Tom there,
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have this really emotional scene,
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and just kinda set up
what Sonic's character journey is gonna be
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for this film,
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which is about making choices.
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Great line. Trailer moment.
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Yeah.
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There's a... from when
we were doing this recording...
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Yesterday or the day before
were days that posters came out
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and some of them have Sonic on 'em
and have my name on 'em,
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and it's still the most surreal thing
in the universe
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for me to see my name
on a big Sonic the Hedgehog poster.
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It's crazy. I love it. I feel so lucky
every time those things come out.
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We're lucky to have you, my friend.
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It doesn't feel like it was that long ago
when we were just working on Sonic's...
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what he should sound like,
working on a proof of concept,
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just really trying to get things going.
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That was probably 2017,
which means it was about 7 years ago,
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and it just doesn't feel like
that much time has passed,
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but here we are, three movies later...
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- Three movies, Jeff.
- ...and a TV show.
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It's really special.
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What do you do to celebrate?
Do you celebrate, anything?
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When a movie's done and you've spent years
of your life on it as the director,
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do you do anything, like a fun thing
for yourself or you and your family or no?
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There's not a traditional
sort of way of celebrating it,
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but, you know,
just really just having some downtime
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and just getting to recharge
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before heading out and, you know,
taking on the next adventure.
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You think you'll still do...
keep doing Sonic at 75, when you're 75?
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I'm gonna hand it off to my son, I think.
I'm grooming him right now.
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He's five, but he loves...
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- Just learned how to ride a bike.
- Just learned how to ride a bike.
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But he loves Sonic, loves...
he's got the red shoes.
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So, yeah. I'm grooming him to be the heir,
heir to the franchise.
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Was there a real helicopter here? No way.
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No, no.
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It's very large fans,
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which no actors
and no animals really enjoy
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'cause it's blowing all of this dust
and debris into your face.
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But James and Tika
were great sports about it.
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And, you know, there's no way
to simulate a helicopter rotor wash,
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so you just gotta really just have to
blast 'em with a lot of wind.
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But then, yeah, and we did build...
They call it a buck.
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It's basically a little something
for the actors,
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for Krysten Ritter, who is an exciting
new addition to the cast...
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There she is.
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...to step out of.
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So it's a small piece of helicopter
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- that then gets built out digitally.
- That's cool.
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And then we do...
the landing was all digital, so...
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Movie magic.
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What country are you filming in right now?
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This was all done at Pinewood stages
in the UK, in England, which is...
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- World-famous Pinewood.
- Yeah.
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That's where they did Star Wars too,
I think, Episode VII.
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Yep. It's a great place to make movies.
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Great crews there,
really enjoyed our time there.
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I think the cast
really had fun with the crew.
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And, no, we really had a good shoot.
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You didn't keep it in,
where he says something?
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We were getting a little carried away
with the dog subtitles.
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The earlier versions of this film,
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which Ozzy was really trying
to steal the show.
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Ozzy was talking all the time.
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- Yes.
- I loved it.
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Subtitled Ozzy was a new element to
this third movie as we get progressively...
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That's so funny.
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I've seen two different drafts
of this film and did a lot of ADR,
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so, like, I've seen Ozzy say
so many different things.
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Yes, but no, that...
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- Not anymore.
- There was a joke about...
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What did he say there?
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"Make sure you pee on everything
you can," was his parting words.
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Which was funny, but maybe just...
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We wanted to just kinda
kick off the adventure
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and keep our tone
a little bit more adventurous.
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What's the song here when they skydive?
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It's "Neon Shibuya" something. It's...
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Yeah, it's something we found
that was a perfect fit
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'cause we're about to airdrop
into Shibuya Crossing.
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And it feels like...
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"Neon Lights," that's what it is.
"Neon Lights."
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There you go. We tried a bunch
of different stuff for this.
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You guys understand,
anytime Sonic says something,
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we've said 15 different things, versions.
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So, another Easter egg.
This is how you start Sonic Adventure 2.
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Sonic is in a helicopter,
he's a prisoner of GUN's,
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and then he decides to break out
and jump out of the helicopter.
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This sequence is so badass.
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This right into the next sequence
is one of the most...
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until we get to the third act
of this movie,
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is one of the most crazy,
action-packed sequences we've ever done.
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- And one of the first ones we designed.
- Hero.
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So this was...
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Yeah, very early on, we're like,
"We gotta get Sonic and Shadow together.
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It's gonna be great. It's gotta be dynamic
and colorful and action-packed."
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And what better place to do that
than Tokyo at night,
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in Shibuya Crossing, which is basically
kinda like the Times Square of Japan.
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So, it just all kinda clicked.
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And we brought in
a really incredible board artist
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to help us develop it and flesh it out.
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And it's just one of
those things that, I think...
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Hopefully some of the storyboards
will actually be available for...
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as, you know, extra bonus features.
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And I think you watch the storyboards,
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and you just realize we just...
we made the storyboards.
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- They were so great.
- Wow.
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The camerawork was so dynamic,
and it was just all right there.
280
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And we just did it in CG.
281
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- I love this bit.
- This back-and-forth was all Keanu's idea.
282
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- Really?
- Keanu was pitching it.
283
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He pitched it and...
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'Cause we were just like, "Well, how would
these characters respond to each other?"
285
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And his pitch was like, you know, like...
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that they would just be questioning
each other in this really funny way.
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And then he did his side of it,
and then you came in and did your side,
288
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and it just all went great.
289
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I love that bit.
I didn't know that was a Keanu pitch.
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As of this moment...
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"I don't look like you. You look like me.
Why do you look like me?"
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As of this moment, I've only met Keanu
once, and it was amazing. I can't wait.
293
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I think when we go to London to do press,
we'll all get to hang out a bunch.
294
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It'd be great.
295
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So we gotta...
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gotta have somebody
kick off the action here, and...
297
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You know, one thing I think we tried
really hard to do with Shadow
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it's like, he's not the aggressor.
299
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He's not just going out
and picking fights.
300
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Like, he's just trying to figure out
where he is, what's going on, you know.
301
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He's just gotten out of cold storage
for 50 years,
302
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and everyone just starts attacking him.
303
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And so, this was no different.
304
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And like, even though Team Sonic shows up
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and Sonic's got the handcuffs,
and they wanna try to arrest him,
306
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he just kinda was gonna leave him alone.
307
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He was just gonna walk away. You know,
he says there's nothing to talk about.
308
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But then Knuckles goes after him,
309
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and then that's what kinda kicks off
all the battle here.
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And him coming from a GUN helicopter.
311
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Yeah, exactly. It's all like, Shadow is
just literally trying to be left alone,
312
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and nobody will leave him alone. It just...
313
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It felt more interesting than him
just being a monster on the loose.
314
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- Immediate motorcycle.
- Yeah.
315
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My man Jeff doesn't give you a second.
316
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The immediate motorcycle.
317
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- Oh, yeah. No, it's...
- Weapons.
318
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So, we'll very quickly mention
some of my history with the characters.
319
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So, back in 2004,
320
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I was working for a visual effects company
called Blur Studio.
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I worked for many, many years.
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And we got hired by Sega to create
some promotional... some cinematics
323
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and some really kinda high-end animation
324
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to promote and be a part
of Sonic the Hedgehog, which was...
325
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Sorry, Shadow the Hedgehog,
326
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which was the spin-off
after his sort of breakout debut
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and popularity from Sonic Adventure 2.
328
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They gave him his own game,
329
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and so they hired us to create
some cool-looking animations.
330
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And so, 2004, I got to...
331
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How old is Jeff at this time?
332
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I was new to the industry.
I was probably 24, maybe? Twenty-five?
333
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Wow. And you were a huge Shadow fan.
334
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And just... I just...
335
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I thought Shadow was awesome,
and I was so excited to get to work on it.
336
00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:08,385
And now here, 20 years later,
getting to do the movie version.
337
00:16:08,468 --> 00:16:10,261
I mean, you just...
you can't write this stuff.
338
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It really is incredible,
339
00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:15,225
and I feel incredibly fortunate
to have had the opportunity to just...
340
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love character...
love all these characters so much,
341
00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:22,941
but to get to bring Shadow into
our movie universe is just incredible.
342
00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:24,651
Is Shadow your favorite Sonic character?
343
00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:26,945
I can't answer that
with you sitting next to me.
344
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- I know, it's pretty mean.
- That's a horrible question to ask.
345
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- Akira slide.
- Don't make me choose.
346
00:16:31,116 --> 00:16:34,119
Oh, yeah. Can't turn down... When in Tokyo...
347
00:16:34,202 --> 00:16:37,080
Absolutely means that Shadow's
your favorite, or else you just wouldn't...
348
00:16:37,163 --> 00:16:39,582
Unbelievable.
Right in front of me, right to my face.
349
00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:41,584
I'm sorry. I'm sorry
you have to find out this way.
350
00:16:42,711 --> 00:16:44,754
I feel like Shadow's a huge fan favorite.
351
00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:46,881
Yeah. He's awesome.
352
00:16:47,132 --> 00:16:49,801
I mean, he's just...
I mean, all these characters are so great.
353
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They all have their own personalities.
They're all so fun, and...
354
00:16:54,889 --> 00:16:56,516
Hey, another Back to the Future reference.
355
00:16:56,599 --> 00:16:58,226
- That's right.
- Christopher Lloyd and Knuckles.
356
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Chief Pachacamac.
357
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So another big, huge Easter egg coming up
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with our friends, the Chao.
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- Sonic Adventure 2?
- Yeah.
360
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They actually debuted
in the first Sonic Adventure,
361
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and then it became more of a thing
in Sonic Adventure 2,
362
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and then obviously became very popular,
and now they're kinda everywhere.
363
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So we figured if we're making a movie
364
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and gonna incorporate all these elements
from Sonic Adventure 2,
365
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we can't leave out the Chao.
366
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And it just really made sense.
367
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Like, we're in Tokyo,
they love animated characters and anime,
368
00:17:34,179 --> 00:17:36,639
and really have fun with that stuff,
369
00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:41,811
and so the idea of a Chao-themed
restaurant just kind of made sense,
370
00:17:41,895 --> 00:17:44,814
and gave us the opportunity
to build this really awesome set,
371
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this colorful restaurant
with all this just great...
372
00:17:48,026 --> 00:17:50,236
I mean there's so many incredible little...
373
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Our set decorators
and production designers
374
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and everyone just really built this out
in the most incredible way.
375
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Luke Freeborn, my production designer.
376
00:17:59,621 --> 00:18:01,623
I mean, everybody just
had such an incredible time.
377
00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:03,416
Commander Walters just shows up.
378
00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,337
But all of these little...
Like the saltshakers. They're little Chao.
379
00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:09,380
- It looks so cool.
- You will never even...
380
00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,592
I mean, inside that giant Chao head
which was kind of like the kitchen...
381
00:18:12,675 --> 00:18:14,552
That was Denzel Washington, you said.
382
00:18:15,637 --> 00:18:20,058
It's just full of so many great,
great little details.
383
00:18:21,142 --> 00:18:27,524
But yes, our friend Tom Butler,
who's now three Sonic films to his résumé.
384
00:18:27,607 --> 00:18:29,359
Always wonderful to work with,
385
00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:32,028
just really enjoys coming in
and helping out.
386
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:35,365
And now he's gonna give us
some backstory on Shadow.
387
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,659
Wait, so how close
to the video game is this?
388
00:18:37,742 --> 00:18:39,702
Because obviously Gerald's story's
a little different.
389
00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:41,871
- Yes.
- So how close to the story is this?
390
00:18:41,955 --> 00:18:43,206
It's a little different.
391
00:18:43,289 --> 00:18:45,458
In the games, Shadow is actually...
392
00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:49,379
His DNA is given to Gerald by Black Doom
393
00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:52,173
who's this alien,
this kind of demon character.
394
00:18:52,257 --> 00:18:53,716
And he...
395
00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:59,806
Gerald kind of makes sort of
a Faustian bargain with Black Doom,
396
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and he gets this DNA and creates Shadow.
397
00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:07,105
So it just felt a little simpler
or a little...
398
00:19:07,188 --> 00:19:11,317
just for the purposes of not overwhelming
the audience with too much backstory...
399
00:19:11,401 --> 00:19:13,736
- Right.
- ...to just make it a little simpler
400
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:18,408
and to have Shadow have arrived, you know,
mysteriously from space as a meteor,
401
00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:21,244
and then Gerald
just basically discovering him,
402
00:19:21,327 --> 00:19:24,831
making the discovery
that the meteor contains Shadow.
403
00:19:26,291 --> 00:19:29,836
And then we've woven Commander Walters
into that story
404
00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:35,550
'cause we felt like we wanted a connection
from the present to the past.
405
00:19:35,633 --> 00:19:42,015
And so, by sticking Walters as a younger
military officer in Shadow's era,
406
00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:45,560
it just kinda connected the dots
in a good way.
407
00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:47,854
Hey, you don't have to pay
the whole Jackson 5 fee
408
00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:49,647
if you have it
in a different language, right?
409
00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:55,695
I hope it's cheaper when it's
a cover band, Japanese cover band but...
410
00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:58,281
But yes, very, very fun.
411
00:19:58,364 --> 00:20:02,160
And it felt like the tone was perfect
for our little Chao live show.
412
00:20:03,536 --> 00:20:06,414
And then we should say, one of the themes
for Sonic, this one, is...
413
00:20:06,497 --> 00:20:08,625
If the first one is like
trying to find family,
414
00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:11,294
and the second one is trying
to find his team, would you say?
415
00:20:11,377 --> 00:20:12,712
Yeah, his squad.
416
00:20:12,795 --> 00:20:15,173
The third one is him trying to learn
how to be a leader.
417
00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:18,092
And so the first time we see him already
is when he runs by himself
418
00:20:18,176 --> 00:20:19,969
to chase after Shadow,
and he does the wrong thing
419
00:20:20,053 --> 00:20:22,013
- and is not a good teammate at all.
- That's right.
420
00:20:22,096 --> 00:20:23,890
But I think that's his arc
for this episode.
421
00:20:23,973 --> 00:20:26,559
It is. And just the choices
and how to make good choices.
422
00:20:26,643 --> 00:20:29,854
It's what Tom says to him in the cave.
423
00:20:29,938 --> 00:20:31,814
And that, as long as you listen
to what's in your heart,
424
00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:34,567
you'll make the right choice when
it matters most, and those choices are...
425
00:20:34,651 --> 00:20:36,319
- That's a great speech.
- Yeah.
426
00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:38,154
Now this was a really...
427
00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:39,656
As our cast has grown and grown,
428
00:20:39,739 --> 00:20:43,785
we're just always just looking for ways
to celebrate everybody.
429
00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:46,829
Lee Majdoub's always been such an amazing...
430
00:20:46,913 --> 00:20:49,082
- Lee is an amazing dude.
- ...amazing, amazing person,
431
00:20:49,165 --> 00:20:51,751
amazing character in what him
and Jim have created together.
432
00:20:52,835 --> 00:20:55,463
So we wanted to give him a great entrance.
433
00:20:55,546 --> 00:20:57,966
And we know we needed to...
434
00:20:58,049 --> 00:20:59,968
I mean, here we are,
this far into the movie,
435
00:21:00,051 --> 00:21:02,345
and we haven't even got to Robotnik
or Stone yet.
436
00:21:02,428 --> 00:21:06,265
I mean, that's kind of the embarrassment
of riches that we have with these movies,
437
00:21:06,349 --> 00:21:09,394
is that you have so many great characters,
so many fan favorites,
438
00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:12,146
and you want everyone
to have their moments.
439
00:21:12,772 --> 00:21:15,441
And so we were just kind of
working our way down list.
440
00:21:22,657 --> 00:21:24,283
I haven't seen the CG to this yet.
441
00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:25,910
Yeah. Fancy.
442
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:28,663
That's it for Walters, huh?
443
00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:31,124
Hey, you never know. He...
444
00:21:31,207 --> 00:21:33,126
I mean, he does keep coming back.
445
00:21:34,419 --> 00:21:37,380
So this is in Canary Wharf in the UK.
446
00:21:37,463 --> 00:21:38,881
You said before making this movie,
447
00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:41,217
you wanna kill
as many people as you can, right?
448
00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,012
That's right. Out for blood.
449
00:21:44,595 --> 00:21:46,973
- Hard, hard PG. That's us.
- Hard PG.
450
00:21:47,056 --> 00:21:49,267
- Hard PG.
- Almost RPG.
451
00:21:50,143 --> 00:21:51,978
All right, so this is...
Where is this filmed?
452
00:21:52,061 --> 00:21:55,732
This is in London, in Canary Wharf,
and we just...
453
00:21:56,524 --> 00:22:00,445
Brandon Trost, our illustrious
cinematographer, did a great job
454
00:22:00,528 --> 00:22:02,572
of just making everything feel...
455
00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:05,825
All this great neon color and just...
456
00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:09,454
It just created a vibe
and I think it looks awesome.
457
00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:11,581
By the way,
it's so funny thinking that that's hiding.
458
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:16,335
There's nobody else that looks
like a hedgehog, a fox and an echidna.
459
00:22:16,419 --> 00:22:19,505
Well, that's the last thing you wanna
get bogged down by, is having to explain
460
00:22:19,589 --> 00:22:21,716
- or have people react to things.
- I love that.
461
00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:24,343
- I think that makes it even funnier.
- Yeah, yeah.
462
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,472
There's some fun,
little stunt driving here.
463
00:22:27,555 --> 00:22:29,015
- Look at that location.
- Yep.
464
00:22:29,098 --> 00:22:32,685
So then this is actually back onstage
at Pinewood. We...
465
00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:38,399
Ged Wright supervised and went
and shot a bunch of plates in Tokyo,
466
00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:39,609
as did Brandon,
467
00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:44,489
and came back with all this great material
that we could sort of create these comps.
468
00:22:44,572 --> 00:22:48,367
And so we had a physical set
there at Pinewood on the 007 Stage.
469
00:22:48,451 --> 00:22:49,535
Come on.
470
00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:53,414
And it was just this little pier set,
this little piece.
471
00:22:53,498 --> 00:22:55,333
And then, yeah, we extended it
472
00:22:55,416 --> 00:22:59,170
with all this great photography
that they came back with from Japan.
473
00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:02,757
- Lee is so good, man.
- Yeah.
474
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,759
I think he's been so good
in all these movies.
475
00:23:04,842 --> 00:23:06,677
I think Lee's so talented.
476
00:23:07,428 --> 00:23:10,598
All right. Time to get to the man.
477
00:23:12,266 --> 00:23:14,519
See what he's been up to
since the last movie.
478
00:23:18,356 --> 00:23:19,649
Always have fun
479
00:23:19,899 --> 00:23:21,567
designing new drones.
480
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:27,824
Can I tell you that one of the first
writing jobs I ever got was
481
00:23:27,907 --> 00:23:32,120
to make a telenovela version of Soapdish,
the movie Soapdish, for Paramount.
482
00:23:33,037 --> 00:23:37,917
So I watched hours and hours of
telenovelas before I started writing it.
483
00:23:38,459 --> 00:23:41,712
So when you did this part, I was like,
"I know this world so well."
484
00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:43,756
We called it El Fuego Caliente.
485
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,341
That was our first day
of filming, actually.
486
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,135
- We did the telenovela first day.
- This?
487
00:23:47,218 --> 00:23:48,594
- The telenovela.
- Yeah. Uh-huh.
488
00:23:50,388 --> 00:23:51,639
Yes.
489
00:23:51,722 --> 00:23:53,766
- Here's Dr. Robotnik.
- He's a legend.
490
00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:56,727
- Real hair. This is basically...
- That's his real hair?
491
00:23:56,811 --> 00:23:59,480
Since he left Sonic 2,
since he walked off set on Sonic 2,
492
00:23:59,564 --> 00:24:02,066
I think he just kind of just let it grow.
493
00:24:02,733 --> 00:24:03,734
Just for him?
494
00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:06,445
Jim. That was... I mean, that's his hair.
495
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:08,531
He was like, "I'm just gonna
grow my hair out for a while."
496
00:24:08,614 --> 00:24:09,615
Yeah, he was...
497
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,244
He just grew it out.
And then it was his idea.
498
00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:15,496
He's like, "Why don't we just shave it?"
499
00:24:15,580 --> 00:24:18,291
He knew he had to shave it
to create the bald look,
500
00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:20,585
- the iconic look.
- He's just the best.
501
00:24:20,668 --> 00:24:23,921
So he's just like, "Why not just go for it
and do it on camera?"
502
00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:25,923
And he gained 150 pounds too, right?
503
00:24:27,049 --> 00:24:28,718
That's a great reveal.
504
00:24:29,594 --> 00:24:34,223
Yes. Wonderful to find him
as this sort of down-and-out...
505
00:24:34,307 --> 00:24:39,103
Bathrobe, stained sweatpants,
belly bongos, whole package.
506
00:24:41,606 --> 00:24:44,358
It's also so funny
how unhinged all of his hair looks,
507
00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:47,695
'cause Lee's are so tight,
everything is so perfect on Lee's face.
508
00:24:47,778 --> 00:24:51,115
Yeah, very manicured, very buttoned up.
509
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,960
Cannot say enough incredible
and wonderful things about Jim.
510
00:25:03,044 --> 00:25:08,841
Obviously every time he comes back to do
one of these, we just are so fortunate,
511
00:25:08,925 --> 00:25:11,510
and he brings so many ideas,
and just such...
512
00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:16,599
He's just the greatest gift imaginable
to these Sonic movies,
513
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:20,019
and then in this one,
agreed to do two characters.
514
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:21,812
- Unbelievable.
- I mean, just... I mean, it was...
515
00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,981
What was the pitch like for you on that?
That's gonna be tough.
516
00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:25,107
"Hey, do you wanna do another..."
517
00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:27,777
First of all, he said in an interview
that maybe he would retire,
518
00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:29,570
and now you're saying,
"Hey, instead of retiring..."
519
00:25:29,654 --> 00:25:32,782
"Not only are you coming back,
we'd like you to play two characters."
520
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:39,163
I think he just really was into the pitch
of, "What if we gave Robotnik family?"
521
00:25:39,247 --> 00:25:40,831
You know, we've done the first two films,
522
00:25:40,915 --> 00:25:44,293
it was all about Sonic getting family,
Sonic getting friends.
523
00:25:44,835 --> 00:25:48,005
But we'd never seen or told that story
from Robotnik's point of view,
524
00:25:48,089 --> 00:25:51,884
and so for him
to have been alone all his life
525
00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:55,263
and have been an orphan and felt like
there's just no one else out there,
526
00:25:55,346 --> 00:25:58,641
suddenly to have a grandpa Robotnik
walk into his life,
527
00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,435
it just opened it up
in such an exciting way.
528
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:04,981
And Jim had so many ideas
and ways to do it
529
00:26:05,064 --> 00:26:08,943
and just was a great partner
in kind of building out that storyline.
530
00:26:09,026 --> 00:26:13,155
We had over a hundred different alts
for "Doctor Ro-Butt-Stink."
531
00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,658
I remember reading that line 1,000 times.
532
00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:19,412
We had one that was the Dude reference.
533
00:26:19,495 --> 00:26:21,622
- Yep, yep.
- We had a billion.
534
00:26:21,706 --> 00:26:23,207
- "The Big Robuttski."
- Yeah.
535
00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:26,502
It was...
I mean, they were funny. It just... It was...
536
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:29,755
But I think we landed it in a good place.
Doctor Ro-Butt-Stink.
537
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,137
All right, here we go.
I can't tell you how nervous Lee was.
538
00:26:36,220 --> 00:26:38,222
We rehearsed this, but there's no...
539
00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:41,100
You only get one take
when you're shaving somebody's head.
540
00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:43,894
I mean... And to his credit,
I mean, he was a champ.
541
00:26:43,978 --> 00:26:46,272
I mean, to have to go on camera,
542
00:26:46,355 --> 00:26:49,233
to know you don't get resets
you don't get take two.
543
00:26:49,317 --> 00:26:51,402
That's a great cut.
That's a great shot, Jeff.
544
00:26:51,485 --> 00:26:54,530
Yeah, no, this is... It was so fun to do.
545
00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:58,451
I mean, again, my heart goes out...
went out to Lee on that day,
546
00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:00,786
and all the anxiety he must have felt.
547
00:27:00,870 --> 00:27:03,664
But he did a great job,
and it's an amazing scene.
548
00:27:03,748 --> 00:27:06,959
Is there a scene in the three movies
that you were the most nervous to shoot?
549
00:27:07,043 --> 00:27:08,461
You don't seem like a very ner...
550
00:27:08,544 --> 00:27:10,588
whenever I've talked to you, you never...
551
00:27:10,671 --> 00:27:13,341
even when things are stressful around you,
you never show it.
552
00:27:14,091 --> 00:27:16,093
So is there a time...
we wouldn't be able to tell,
553
00:27:16,177 --> 00:27:19,096
but is there a time,
or is there a shoot that we did a day
554
00:27:19,347 --> 00:27:21,182
that you were like, "Oh, my God.
This was the most nervous I've been
555
00:27:21,265 --> 00:27:23,476
for any setup for Sonic."
556
00:27:25,561 --> 00:27:27,313
- You know...
- And what happened in your childhood
557
00:27:27,396 --> 00:27:28,898
that you're not allowed to show fear?
558
00:27:29,774 --> 00:27:32,401
Well, I was just going back
to Jim playing two characters. I think...
559
00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:33,861
Yeah, just skip over that real question.
560
00:27:33,944 --> 00:27:39,492
Just wanting to get...
to set him up in a way that, like...
561
00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:42,495
We knew we wanted to do,
like, motion-controlled cameras
562
00:27:42,578 --> 00:27:43,954
and have fun with it and...
563
00:27:44,038 --> 00:27:47,666
But also not to be so technical
that it would just kinda...
564
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:49,001
we'd get in our own way.
565
00:27:49,085 --> 00:27:50,503
So, I mean... so there wasn't...
566
00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:52,421
I guess you could say
the first day of filming
567
00:27:52,505 --> 00:27:55,674
- on the Ivo and Gerald meeting scene...
- Yeah.
568
00:27:55,758 --> 00:27:59,553
...was... that would've been...
I wasn't nervous,
569
00:27:59,637 --> 00:28:02,681
but I was definitely like,
"Okay, this is a big moment.
570
00:28:02,765 --> 00:28:06,060
And, like, we gotta make
a whole movie this way."
571
00:28:06,143 --> 00:28:12,900
And so... but to see Jim do it
and do it so... perform it so incredibly,
572
00:28:12,983 --> 00:28:15,736
I guess it would've been the day
that we did the other side of it
573
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:18,197
when we came back and did the Gerald side
and just see how well--
574
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,783
How long apart from doing one side
to the other one?
575
00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:22,576
- It would, like, if we film--
- Same day? Different day?
576
00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:26,080
No, if we filmed Ivo on a Monday,
577
00:28:26,163 --> 00:28:28,457
we would do Gerald on a Wednesday.
578
00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:32,086
So Jim would have a prep day in between,
and then he would...
579
00:28:32,169 --> 00:28:33,879
You also have to remember that he...
580
00:28:33,963 --> 00:28:35,256
three hours in the chair,
in the makeup chair,
581
00:28:35,339 --> 00:28:36,507
- getting all the prosthetics on.
- For Gerald.
582
00:28:36,590 --> 00:28:39,844
So you could never do it in the same day
because it's too much time and makeup.
583
00:28:39,927 --> 00:28:42,263
So you'd have to have the set
for a week or four or three days--
584
00:28:42,346 --> 00:28:46,183
So yeah, and then we would
just kinda, you know...
585
00:28:46,267 --> 00:28:48,894
just ping-pong back and forth
between the two Robotniks.
586
00:28:48,978 --> 00:28:53,816
And Jim was just so...
had a really incredible scene partner,
587
00:28:53,899 --> 00:28:57,528
Brendan, who is our temp Robotnik,
and he would do the other side...
588
00:28:57,611 --> 00:28:59,655
- Great. For each one.
- ...of the scene. For each scene.
589
00:28:59,738 --> 00:29:02,992
Yeah, 'cause somebody needed to
actually do the scene with Jim.
590
00:29:03,075 --> 00:29:05,327
- And he had to know the lines and--
- Wow!
591
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:08,497
- And he was just incredible.
- Did Jim and him get along?
592
00:29:08,581 --> 00:29:11,250
- Yeah, 100%. I mean, he was just...
- That's so cool.
593
00:29:11,333 --> 00:29:15,921
It was such a big ask, but Brendan came in
and did an incredible job and--
594
00:29:16,005 --> 00:29:18,632
This is a great beat. When I saw this for
the first time, I thought it was great.
595
00:29:18,716 --> 00:29:20,676
Yeah. This is another one
of those sequences
596
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,679
that we just really put a lot
into the story boarding.
597
00:29:23,762 --> 00:29:25,848
- Yeah, 'cause you reveal it perfect.
- Designing very early on.
598
00:29:25,931 --> 00:29:30,311
Because just knowing how much
this Shadow-Maria relationship
599
00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:31,645
and this backstory means...
600
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:35,232
And also, proportionally,
we have a lot of movie. It's a big movie.
601
00:29:35,316 --> 00:29:39,195
Like, we don't have a ton of time
to spend in any one place. So...
602
00:29:39,278 --> 00:29:42,740
But giving the audience this story,
603
00:29:42,823 --> 00:29:45,993
showing why Maria meant so much to Shadow,
604
00:29:46,076 --> 00:29:49,038
and consequently,
why it hurt so much for him to lose her,
605
00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:51,165
I mean, this was just so important.
606
00:29:51,248 --> 00:29:55,252
This frame in particular
was a piece of production--
607
00:29:55,336 --> 00:29:57,338
- I remember seeing it in the beginning.
- Very early on, yeah.
608
00:29:57,421 --> 00:30:00,549
'Cause we just knew, like,
these are just snapshots,
609
00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:04,094
these moments in the movie
that just have to be perfect
610
00:30:04,178 --> 00:30:05,638
and have to look great.
611
00:30:05,721 --> 00:30:09,099
And this song too,
Traveling Wilburys' "End of the Line,"
612
00:30:09,183 --> 00:30:13,437
like, I sort of heard this very early
in the search
613
00:30:13,521 --> 00:30:15,314
and just fell in love with it.
614
00:30:15,397 --> 00:30:19,193
The tone and the... it just felt right
615
00:30:19,276 --> 00:30:22,446
for this montage and for showing--
616
00:30:22,530 --> 00:30:26,075
Is there an origin story
of how he got his skates, his shoes?
617
00:30:27,201 --> 00:30:28,619
No. It was just...
618
00:30:28,702 --> 00:30:34,124
it was something to give her a little...
just some movement and some life.
619
00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:36,335
The idea when she's first
moving into the lab
620
00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,087
- in that first scene--
- No, like, Shadow.
621
00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:39,838
- Like, Shadow's always had those...
- Skates. Gotcha.
622
00:30:39,922 --> 00:30:42,049
I thought that you meant roller skates.
The Air Shoes.
623
00:30:42,132 --> 00:30:46,303
- Yeah.
- No, we don't touch on that in the film.
624
00:30:46,387 --> 00:30:50,599
Again, there's so many details to Shadow
that it's like,
625
00:30:50,683 --> 00:30:55,854
you don't wanna overwhelm the audience
with too much exposition or details.
626
00:30:55,938 --> 00:30:58,607
But they're... I mean, presumably,
he has them
627
00:30:58,691 --> 00:31:02,903
so that when he is in that test track
and they're harnessing his energy,
628
00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:05,948
that it's just a way
of supplementing his speed
629
00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:09,285
and a way for him to really generate
a lot of chaos energy
630
00:31:09,368 --> 00:31:13,747
which we see them... that they're collecting
into these containers
631
00:31:13,831 --> 00:31:18,586
and that GUN was gonna use to militarize
and maybe use to make weapons.
632
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:22,798
So, it's always been the sort of
hidden agenda with GUN in the games
633
00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,259
- and we wanna make sure it was--
- Was the Alien Freak something you filmed,
634
00:31:25,342 --> 00:31:26,885
or that was a real something?
635
00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:30,598
- The video of the...
- Oh, yeah, no.
636
00:31:30,681 --> 00:31:32,891
- Did you film that?
- No, it's CG.
637
00:31:32,975 --> 00:31:36,645
- That was?
- A talented group of guys at Vandivision...
638
00:31:36,729 --> 00:31:39,940
- Wow.
- ...that we hired to create that,
639
00:31:40,024 --> 00:31:42,776
and that's another... that's the Biolizard.
640
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:44,486
It's another Easter egg.
641
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:45,654
- Sonic Adventure 2.
- There you go.
642
00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:48,532
That was the... what Gerald created
before Shadow.
643
00:31:48,616 --> 00:31:50,868
It was basically the prototype,
and it went south.
644
00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:55,706
And we... but it's an iconic character
in the Sonic universe,
645
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:57,207
and so we...
it was another great Easter egg.
646
00:31:57,291 --> 00:32:03,631
What if they're watching this kinda cheesy
little horror movie from the '50s
647
00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:07,676
and make it...
just throw the Biolizard in there.
648
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,887
By the way, talking about...
you and I love sneakers.
649
00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:13,307
Shadow's sneakers are so awesome.
650
00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:16,685
You look at Shadow's sneakers,
they're so badass.
651
00:32:16,769 --> 00:32:19,313
- Yeah.
- And then Sonic's sneakers are so good.
652
00:32:19,396 --> 00:32:21,148
I think Knuckles has great Timbs.
653
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:24,485
- Shoes are a big part of these characters.
- Shoes are a big part of these things.
654
00:32:24,568 --> 00:32:25,986
You'd figure. They run so much.
655
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:28,989
They also balance them from falling over
with their giant heads.
656
00:32:29,073 --> 00:32:30,115
Gotta have big feet.
657
00:32:30,199 --> 00:32:32,368
What is canon for how many
pairs of sneakers Sonic owns?
658
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:35,204
'Cause he must fly through 'em,
unless someone created special sneakers--
659
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,915
It was something in the first movie.
660
00:32:37,998 --> 00:32:42,252
It was in the first trailer,
that was a pile of burnt-out shoes
661
00:32:42,336 --> 00:32:43,337
- in the corner.
- Yeah.
662
00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:45,214
We ended up cutting it from the movie.
663
00:32:45,297 --> 00:32:48,759
But it was just a fun idea
that he does smoke through shoes
664
00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,302
with the speed of his runs,
665
00:32:50,386 --> 00:32:53,555
that he would wear out the soles
pretty quickly.
666
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:55,766
So yeah, I imagine he goes through a lot.
667
00:32:55,849 --> 00:32:58,227
This is just...
I mean, this scene is incredible.
668
00:32:58,310 --> 00:33:01,605
Tyson Hesse, who's obviously
such a huge part of making these movies.
669
00:33:01,689 --> 00:33:04,149
He storyboarded this.
This was very precious to him.
670
00:33:04,233 --> 00:33:05,651
He wanted it to be perfect,
671
00:33:05,734 --> 00:33:10,406
- so he gave us some really great boards.
- I love Tyson so much.
672
00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:14,827
I was in a Mario Kart tournament with him
all through COVID for two years.
673
00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:17,621
We played Mario Kart every week
for a year and a half, I think.
674
00:33:17,705 --> 00:33:18,747
Yeah, now he's...
675
00:33:18,831 --> 00:33:20,082
I should also mention India,
676
00:33:20,165 --> 00:33:22,501
one of our storyboard artists
that also worked on that scene.
677
00:33:22,584 --> 00:33:25,713
It was a two-hander between the two
of them, just did an incredible job.
678
00:33:25,796 --> 00:33:28,465
But yes, Tyson, he just bleeds blue.
679
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:29,967
He loves these characters so much,
680
00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:32,553
and he's such a talented artist,
a talented filmmaker.
681
00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:35,055
Each film,
I feel like he gets a little bit more...
682
00:33:35,139 --> 00:33:36,724
He's our... He's a secret weapon.
683
00:33:36,807 --> 00:33:39,435
In fact, we should probably just delete
his name from this commentary
684
00:33:39,518 --> 00:33:41,895
- so nobody tries to steal him from us.
- Steal him away.
685
00:33:41,979 --> 00:33:46,442
No, I think, again,
he just loves this Sonic world so much
686
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:50,696
and would do anything for it,
and we love working with him.
687
00:33:51,989 --> 00:33:55,325
I should also mention Al LeVine,
our editor,
688
00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:58,871
who goes way back and has cut
all the storyboard animatics.
689
00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:03,167
His sort of first exposure into these
movies was just working on animatics
690
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,587
and temping all of the voices,
including Sonic,
691
00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:09,506
and just kinda worked his way up.
692
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:13,969
And when it came time
to hire an editor for this third film,
693
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:16,388
I mean, it was just...
the choice was obvious.
694
00:34:16,472 --> 00:34:18,640
Al's just got such great sensibilities
695
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:22,060
and is a really great partner
on the filmmaking team,
696
00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:24,980
and, yeah, he did a great job.
697
00:34:25,063 --> 00:34:26,064
I love Al.
698
00:34:26,148 --> 00:34:27,274
Good dude. Everybody...
699
00:34:27,357 --> 00:34:28,984
By the way, for these movies,
700
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,029
I feel like everybody you surround
yourself with is such a good person.
701
00:34:32,112 --> 00:34:34,031
It's just the most important aspect,
702
00:34:34,114 --> 00:34:37,659
is these movies take two years plus
to make,
703
00:34:37,743 --> 00:34:40,120
and you're gonna be spending
a lot of time with these people,
704
00:34:40,204 --> 00:34:43,040
so it's obviously important
to find the right talent,
705
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:45,417
but it's also even more important
706
00:34:45,501 --> 00:34:47,586
to find great people
that you enjoy spending time with.
707
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,213
- 'Cause you're spending so much time.
- 100%.
708
00:34:49,296 --> 00:34:54,176
That, whenever I did ADR,
would be in a room with you, Al, Tyson,
709
00:34:55,302 --> 00:34:56,553
and me, that's it.
710
00:34:56,637 --> 00:34:59,932
And Lisa would be outside sometimes,
but it's...
711
00:35:00,015 --> 00:35:01,975
- It's a great hang.
- It is a good hang.
712
00:35:02,059 --> 00:35:05,020
It's just like with your buddies
and just making these big movies,
713
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:07,731
and it's just
the best imaginable circumstances
714
00:35:07,815 --> 00:35:12,528
when you really love going to work,
love the people that you work with.
715
00:35:12,611 --> 00:35:17,449
Ged Wright, our visual effects supervisor,
is now a veteran of all the Sonic films
716
00:35:17,533 --> 00:35:19,076
and the Knuckles TV series.
717
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:20,619
He directed one of the episodes.
718
00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:21,995
Who did?
719
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:23,580
Ged Wright, our visual effects supervisor.
720
00:35:23,664 --> 00:35:24,665
- Ged Wright.
- Yeah.
721
00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:27,751
And he's got a whole team
that has come back movie after movie,
722
00:35:27,835 --> 00:35:31,421
and it's why we're able to make
these movies the way we are. We...
723
00:35:31,505 --> 00:35:34,091
One of the first things that happens
after we finish a Sonic movie is
724
00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:36,134
we kinda sit down together,
we go out to dinner,
725
00:35:36,218 --> 00:35:39,012
and we just kinda talk about
how we can do better next time.
726
00:35:39,096 --> 00:35:41,473
How can we make
these characters look better?
727
00:35:41,557 --> 00:35:45,102
How can we create tools
that make our filmmaking more efficient
728
00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:46,937
and just create better movies?
729
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:50,899
And it's... I think that you see it
in the films.
730
00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:54,653
They've always benefited
from the experience, the shared knowledge,
731
00:35:54,736 --> 00:35:57,406
and we just always wanna go bigger
and better every time out.
732
00:35:57,489 --> 00:36:00,784
Sonic Adventure 2,
Knuckles is afraid of ghosts, correct?
733
00:36:04,246 --> 00:36:06,540
Yes, it is... Yes.
734
00:36:06,623 --> 00:36:09,084
He also flies around looking for,
what was it, diamonds, or...
735
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:10,586
- Yeah, treasure. Yes.
- Oh, my God.
736
00:36:10,669 --> 00:36:14,214
- He's a treasure hunter.
- Those boards were so boring.
737
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:17,968
You're just flying from place to place.
I got--
738
00:36:18,051 --> 00:36:19,678
It was a very cool device, though,
739
00:36:19,761 --> 00:36:23,724
to get to choose, you know,
between the good guys and the bad guys
740
00:36:23,807 --> 00:36:27,853
and to experience the missions
from the bad guy's point of view
741
00:36:27,936 --> 00:36:29,605
or from the good guy's point of view.
It was very--
742
00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:30,689
I had...
743
00:36:30,772 --> 00:36:34,151
I got Sonic Adventure 2,
but as a mod for Xbox.
744
00:36:34,234 --> 00:36:36,069
It was off of Steam...
I forget how I got it.
745
00:36:36,153 --> 00:36:40,324
And the controllers were so hard to work
'cause it wasn't the Dreamcast.
746
00:36:40,407 --> 00:36:42,743
Which by the way, you told me at
the beginning when you started production,
747
00:36:42,826 --> 00:36:44,036
you're like, "I bought a Dreamcast."
748
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,706
Yeah, I needed to go back and revisit...
749
00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:50,250
I didn't want it to be an emulator.
I wanted it to be the real deal.
750
00:36:50,334 --> 00:36:52,586
And so I had to buy it all separately.
751
00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:55,881
Like, I bought a Dreamcast
and then I bought...
752
00:36:55,964 --> 00:36:57,507
You know,
you had to have the memory cartridge
753
00:36:57,591 --> 00:36:59,927
to put in the controller
in order to save your games.
754
00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:03,513
And it was a whole... And then I...
755
00:37:03,597 --> 00:37:05,766
So yeah,
I kinda had to piecemeal it all together.
756
00:37:05,849 --> 00:37:08,685
I did Xbox and I did it too quick,
and it was...
757
00:37:08,769 --> 00:37:11,313
I could not control the characters
the way that you could
758
00:37:11,396 --> 00:37:12,940
on a Dreamcast controller.
759
00:37:13,023 --> 00:37:15,233
It was so annoying to me
for someone who loves video games,
760
00:37:15,317 --> 00:37:18,403
and not having the reaction time
be the same is crazy.
761
00:37:19,321 --> 00:37:22,199
So this is the only game
I ever watched a playthrough of.
762
00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:25,494
Well, 3D has changed so much
since then too,
763
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:28,205
and 3D cameras and all of that and...
764
00:37:28,288 --> 00:37:29,623
Is this in 3D?
765
00:37:29,706 --> 00:37:31,291
The Sonic Adventure 2?
766
00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:33,418
- No, is this movie in 3D?
- I'm talking about video games.
767
00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:36,505
Yeah, no, we're not in 3D. Film is not.
768
00:37:36,588 --> 00:37:40,926
But just talking about the Dreamcast
and early 3D graphics in video games,
769
00:37:41,009 --> 00:37:43,845
it's come so far, and you try to go back,
770
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:48,058
and what felt so revolutionary
and cutting edge at the time,
771
00:37:48,141 --> 00:37:49,851
obviously, it doesn't always hold up.
772
00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:52,854
But it's still fun.
It's still a ton of nostalgia.
773
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:54,272
- Super fun.
- Yeah.
774
00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:57,275
It's so much fun. Do you have
a top three video games of all time?
775
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,278
- You know, it's...
- I never asked you that.
776
00:38:00,362 --> 00:38:02,906
We've been friends for a long time,
and both of us love video games.
777
00:38:02,990 --> 00:38:04,992
I know. I mean,
of course Sonic's on the list.
778
00:38:05,075 --> 00:38:06,743
You can't do Sonic
'cause we're watching Sonic.
779
00:38:06,827 --> 00:38:08,787
- Okay, well...
- Well, which Sonic?
780
00:38:11,665 --> 00:38:13,083
I'm gonna say the first one.
781
00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:15,752
I think Sonic 2.
My favorite Sonic, I think, is Sonic 2.
782
00:38:15,836 --> 00:38:16,837
Yeah.
783
00:38:17,421 --> 00:38:19,881
They're so hard. They're just so hard.
784
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,010
This, we had to figure out the tone
for me to do this scene a bunch.
785
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,178
I love this.
This is one of those things also...
786
00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:27,973
Jeff is very kind
and lets me see cuts of the movie,
787
00:38:28,056 --> 00:38:31,727
but then also allows me, if I'm like,
"I think I can do better there,"
788
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:34,104
next session,
he always lets me give it a shot.
789
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:36,898
And then, I put my trust in Jeff,
and no matter what I do,
790
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:40,444
I just know that he'll pick the right one
for whatever the moment is.
791
00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:42,696
But I think there's a moment there
that I wanted to do it again
792
00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:46,408
'cause I wanted to be more realistic
or something like that.
793
00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:48,577
All right, big moment coming up.
794
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:50,495
The professor, Gerald Robotnik.
795
00:38:50,579 --> 00:38:54,291
So a little bit of license that we took
with this story in the film,
796
00:38:54,374 --> 00:38:57,252
Ivo and Gerald never met in the games.
797
00:38:57,335 --> 00:39:01,798
Gerald was imprisoned
and summarily executed,
798
00:39:01,882 --> 00:39:04,468
so they never actually
got a chance to meet.
799
00:39:04,551 --> 00:39:07,012
It was kinda through his journal
that he left behind
800
00:39:07,095 --> 00:39:11,183
that Ivo sort of learned about
his grandfather and Shadow and all that.
801
00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:15,228
But how can you pass up an opportunity
to have two Robotniks and two Jim Carreys?
802
00:39:15,312 --> 00:39:17,147
You can't. You just can't.
803
00:39:17,230 --> 00:39:21,359
And so,
it ended up getting cut from the movie,
804
00:39:21,443 --> 00:39:24,071
although there's a few quick shots
of Gerald in prison,
805
00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:26,156
working on the design
for the Eclipse Cannon.
806
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,950
But the idea is he's 110 years old,
807
00:39:29,034 --> 00:39:34,998
but he, obviously, is still very youthful,
at least able to get around.
808
00:39:35,082 --> 00:39:40,629
But the idea is that he's taking
these little hits off of Shadow's quill,
809
00:39:40,712 --> 00:39:45,383
and that that chaos energy is prolonging
his life and sort of keeping him...
810
00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:48,428
because chaos energy can do...
811
00:39:49,387 --> 00:39:52,766
just by its nature,
it can do a lot of different things,
812
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:57,771
and we thought it would be a good way
of explaining why Gerald was still around.
813
00:39:57,854 --> 00:40:02,400
But, yeah, just having Jim
play two Robotniks was just irresistible
814
00:40:02,484 --> 00:40:05,821
and everybody was so excited
about the idea right from day one,
815
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:08,365
including Jim himself, fortunately.
816
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,202
But yeah, incredible makeup.
817
00:40:12,285 --> 00:40:15,205
- I mean, you just do not believe...
- Makeup is amazing.
818
00:40:15,789 --> 00:40:20,168
Mark Coulier who is our makeup...
who just won an Academy Award...
819
00:40:20,252 --> 00:40:21,336
What did he win for?
820
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,965
The Emma Stone thing.
821
00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:26,800
Why am I completely spacing on the--
822
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:28,218
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
823
00:40:28,844 --> 00:40:30,554
It was for Willem Dafoe's Frankenstein.
824
00:40:30,637 --> 00:40:33,306
- Oh, yeah!
- Yeah, which looked great.
825
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:39,020
But yeah, you just can't...
826
00:40:39,104 --> 00:40:43,066
It's one thing for something to hold up
on camera and look great on film,
827
00:40:43,150 --> 00:40:47,487
but I would be standing with Jim
talking to him while he had the makeup on,
828
00:40:47,571 --> 00:40:49,072
and I just could not believe my eyes.
829
00:40:49,156 --> 00:40:51,491
I was so excited
when we did our first camera test.
830
00:40:51,575 --> 00:40:56,955
That was really everyone's first look
at all the prosthetics and the makeup.
831
00:40:57,038 --> 00:41:01,001
And when Jim walked out and stepped
in front of the camera and the lighting...
832
00:41:01,084 --> 00:41:02,711
- It looks amazing.
- ...it just was...
833
00:41:02,794 --> 00:41:05,380
It's just incredible
what they're able to do.
834
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:07,257
It just was... I was blown away.
835
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:10,802
I remember watching an interview
with Jim a while ago
836
00:41:10,886 --> 00:41:15,348
where it was him talking about Grinch,
and how he was in Makeup for hours a day.
837
00:41:15,432 --> 00:41:16,433
- Yeah.
- And then I thought,
838
00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:18,894
because of that experience, he maybe
wouldn't wanna do this stuff again.
839
00:41:18,977 --> 00:41:21,313
Was he at all... He was totally game?
840
00:41:21,396 --> 00:41:25,483
I think he definitely probably had
a little PTSD still from that,
841
00:41:25,567 --> 00:41:27,861
but this was not, I think...
842
00:41:27,944 --> 00:41:29,696
I mean, the way he talks about it,
I mean, that was like,
843
00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:31,489
- you know, insane.
- That was very uncomfortable.
844
00:41:31,573 --> 00:41:33,450
I mean, 'cause that was a full-body thing.
845
00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:37,204
Like this is really just the head...
846
00:41:37,287 --> 00:41:39,372
- And also technology now.
- ...the mustache and the hands.
847
00:41:39,456 --> 00:41:41,124
It was really... That was all there.
848
00:41:41,208 --> 00:41:45,962
And it was three hours, so it's still
not an insignificant amount of time,
849
00:41:46,046 --> 00:41:49,424
but more manageable, I think,
from a prep standpoint.
850
00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:53,428
But yeah,
851
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:58,516
he really had so many great ideas
about even just the sculpt of the makeup.
852
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,062
And Mark would do these sort of maquettes.
853
00:42:02,145 --> 00:42:05,440
He'd do a workup of what
he thought Gerald could look like
854
00:42:05,523 --> 00:42:09,402
based off of a cast
that he had done of Jim's head,
855
00:42:09,486 --> 00:42:11,321
and then built the prosthetics
on top of it.
856
00:42:11,404 --> 00:42:14,658
And he would send out the pictures,
and Jim and I would look at it,
857
00:42:14,741 --> 00:42:17,911
and, you know, Jim would want him
to have just a heavier brow
858
00:42:17,994 --> 00:42:23,083
or have that nose bulb
be a little bit more built up
859
00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:26,336
and just add all these features
and details
860
00:42:26,419 --> 00:42:29,422
just to make it more personalized
861
00:42:29,673 --> 00:42:31,466
to what he wanted to do
with the character.
862
00:42:31,549 --> 00:42:33,301
How do the goggles stay on his head?
863
00:42:33,885 --> 00:42:35,470
- Is there like a--
- It's like a glue.
864
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:36,680
- Really?
- Uh-huh.
865
00:42:37,889 --> 00:42:38,890
Yeah, they're just glued on.
866
00:42:39,849 --> 00:42:42,352
It works great. I mean,
we had straps on the first film.
867
00:42:42,435 --> 00:42:43,853
Yeah, I remember.
868
00:42:43,937 --> 00:42:45,480
And it was another example of where
869
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:50,026
we knew there was probably a better way
to do it, and then we refined our methods.
870
00:42:51,945 --> 00:42:55,991
Great getting Sonic learning
of these double Robotniks.
871
00:43:23,018 --> 00:43:27,188
Have to give shout-outs to Idris Elba
and Colleen O'Shaughnessey,
872
00:43:27,272 --> 00:43:30,233
who are just another set of actors
873
00:43:30,317 --> 00:43:32,444
- who just bring so much to this series...
- Incredible.
874
00:43:32,527 --> 00:43:34,821
...and are just so wonderful to work with.
875
00:43:34,904 --> 00:43:37,741
I feel like Idris has gotten funnier
and funnier. Like, he's...
876
00:43:37,824 --> 00:43:40,577
I mean, we had so much fun on the series
877
00:43:40,660 --> 00:43:44,539
and in giving him
his own little storyline.
878
00:43:44,622 --> 00:43:51,296
So yeah, so here's our Easter egg
from the game, where Gerald is locked up,
879
00:43:51,379 --> 00:43:54,049
and his mind is just poured out
on the prison walls,
880
00:43:54,132 --> 00:44:00,680
and he's just using his genius IQ
to just stave off the madness.
881
00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:04,017
And so it was another
just very iconic image
882
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,644
that just lent itself very easily
to the film.
883
00:44:08,521 --> 00:44:09,814
And Colleen is a super pro.
884
00:44:09,898 --> 00:44:12,359
- Colleen is like an actual Hall of Famer.
- She knows Tails.
885
00:44:12,442 --> 00:44:15,362
I mean, it's been like ten years now
that she's been playing the character.
886
00:44:15,445 --> 00:44:18,490
I mean, she knows that little fox
inside and out
887
00:44:18,573 --> 00:44:22,077
and just comes in and just nails it,
and it's just...
888
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,913
Everyone in these movies is
just so wonderful to work with.
889
00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:28,750
Because Colleen is
an actual Hall-of-Fame voice-over artist,
890
00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:31,669
I love when she gets to come
to these incredible premieres,
891
00:44:31,753 --> 00:44:34,881
and everybody gets to see and recognize
how incredible she is and stuff like that.
892
00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:36,383
I'm a big fan of that.
893
00:44:36,466 --> 00:44:40,136
Yeah. She gives it back.
I mean, she does the conventions.
894
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:41,554
- She does the shows.
- Yeah.
895
00:44:41,638 --> 00:44:44,474
She's there, you know,
signing autographs for fans
896
00:44:44,557 --> 00:44:46,810
and meeting fans
and taking pictures with fans.
897
00:44:46,893 --> 00:44:48,520
It's just the kind of stuff
you love to see,
898
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:51,314
that kind of engagement
and that she's out there,
899
00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:54,484
- and just, you know, meeting people...
- She's amazing.
900
00:44:54,567 --> 00:44:56,236
...and taking care of the fans.
901
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:57,737
The fans mean everything.
902
00:44:57,821 --> 00:45:00,782
"Real scary." What is it? "Real scary,
a black marble," or something like that.
903
00:45:00,865 --> 00:45:02,826
- Yeah.
- "Magic marble."
904
00:45:02,909 --> 00:45:04,202
There you go.
905
00:45:07,664 --> 00:45:08,873
Yeah, this was, you know...
906
00:45:08,957 --> 00:45:14,295
We've been in this little, mysterious,
abandoned GUN headquarters,
907
00:45:14,379 --> 00:45:17,257
this lab for a while,
and it's like, you know what?
908
00:45:17,340 --> 00:45:22,137
It's time to get back to some action,
and I really love how this came together,
909
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:23,513
this little black hole sequence.
910
00:45:23,596 --> 00:45:25,849
And just the look is so dynamic.
911
00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:29,602
And it's just a cool...
it's a really great little set piece.
912
00:45:29,686 --> 00:45:31,771
I just really love how this came together.
913
00:45:55,587 --> 00:45:59,007
It's just a good movie, guys.
What location is this?
914
00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:03,261
These plates were shot in Norway.
915
00:46:03,344 --> 00:46:04,596
- Really?
- Yeah.
916
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,014
Oh, my God.
917
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,311
Colorado by way of Norway.
918
00:46:13,229 --> 00:46:14,772
But yeah,
when you're on that side of the world,
919
00:46:14,856 --> 00:46:21,362
you're just looking for gorgeous places
you can just send a splinter unit to
920
00:46:21,446 --> 00:46:22,864
to go and film some plates
921
00:46:22,947 --> 00:46:26,534
and get some material
to help the Visual Effects do their thing.
922
00:46:26,618 --> 00:46:28,369
So yeah, we were all over.
923
00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:31,164
We were in Iceland, we were in Norway,
we were in Tokyo.
924
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,375
We really covered some territory,
which is fun.
925
00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:39,047
These movies, as the stories get bigger,
they just open up the canvas
926
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:44,052
and create just bigger,
more cinematic visuals.
927
00:46:44,135 --> 00:46:46,346
I feel like each movie has gotten bigger
and bigger,
928
00:46:46,429 --> 00:46:49,182
and I have no idea
what the fourth would be like.
929
00:46:49,265 --> 00:46:52,185
- It's gonna be madness.
- It's always a great problem to have,
930
00:46:52,268 --> 00:46:55,271
that you made such a big movie,
that you are like, "How do we outdo this?"
931
00:46:55,355 --> 00:46:57,565
I mean, going from Sonic 1 to Sonic 2,
932
00:46:57,649 --> 00:46:58,650
- I mean just...
- Huge.
933
00:46:58,733 --> 00:47:00,944
The globe-trotting aspect of Sonic 2,
934
00:47:01,027 --> 00:47:04,906
it had such a great adventure, you know,
fantasy kind of quality,
935
00:47:04,989 --> 00:47:08,618
with getting to do, obviously,
the Labyrinth and the Emerald Chamber
936
00:47:08,701 --> 00:47:13,039
and being up in the mountains for
the snowboard chase and owl temple and...
937
00:47:14,082 --> 00:47:16,751
But yeah, it's always fun
to try to outdo yourself.
938
00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:22,632
So, can't have two Robotniks,
can't have his family reunion
939
00:47:22,715 --> 00:47:25,677
without having some fun with Ivo,
940
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,515
having gone through his whole childhood
lacking and missing all this stuff,
941
00:47:30,598 --> 00:47:33,434
and now getting to work his way
down the list
942
00:47:33,518 --> 00:47:37,063
of all these kind of
iconic childhood moments
943
00:47:37,146 --> 00:47:39,691
and getting to do it with his grandpa.
944
00:47:39,774 --> 00:47:42,360
So, it was a lot of work to design these.
945
00:47:42,443 --> 00:47:44,571
- They were very... It was very...
- I love this.
946
00:47:44,654 --> 00:47:46,656
When I saw this for the first time,
I laughed out loud.
947
00:47:46,739 --> 00:47:50,076
This is just the best,
Gerald as Santa Claus.
948
00:47:51,035 --> 00:47:54,372
Does that make this a Christmas movie?
I'm not sure if two scenes qualify.
949
00:47:54,455 --> 00:47:56,082
We have a December 20th release, so...
950
00:47:56,165 --> 00:47:58,167
- Holiday movie? Give it to us.
- Yeah.
951
00:47:59,794 --> 00:48:04,382
But yeah, so not only coming
at the character development opportunities
952
00:48:04,465 --> 00:48:06,759
with Robotnik and him getting his grandpa,
953
00:48:06,843 --> 00:48:09,470
but we also now are getting to take Lee,
954
00:48:09,554 --> 00:48:12,890
you know, Lee Majdoub, his Stone character
and explore that same thing.
955
00:48:12,974 --> 00:48:16,060
Now, you know,
he's kinda feeling like the third wheel,
956
00:48:16,144 --> 00:48:20,773
and getting to see what that has done
to his sort of relationship with Robotnik,
957
00:48:20,857 --> 00:48:26,571
and get to do some emotional storytelling
in that world.
958
00:48:27,238 --> 00:48:30,575
It just...
All this stuff really fit and felt great
959
00:48:30,658 --> 00:48:34,329
that we were kinda taking these characters
that people have really grown to love
960
00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:36,831
and just making their stories
a little more complex.
961
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:37,999
Another Easter egg.
962
00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:39,709
- Yeah.
- Music.
963
00:48:41,669 --> 00:48:43,921
- Donut Lord sweater. Amazing.
- Oh, my goodness.
964
00:48:44,005 --> 00:48:45,131
By the way,
965
00:48:45,214 --> 00:48:50,011
the bit that's about to come up is one
of my favorite bits in all the movies.
966
00:48:50,094 --> 00:48:52,472
- Oh, really?
- It made me laugh so hard.
967
00:48:52,555 --> 00:48:55,808
And then you told me that it wasn't
even supposed to be a big thing, right?
968
00:48:59,312 --> 00:49:03,858
Always good to be back in the Wachowski
house for at least one scene.
969
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:05,568
Unless it got cut. Did it get cut?
970
00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:08,404
- The puppet?
- No, no, no.
971
00:49:08,488 --> 00:49:10,490
- Thank goodness.
- Li'l Tom? Absolutely.
972
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:12,659
- Love that bit.
- Yeah, yeah.
973
00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:15,495
This is in the trailer, which is just...
974
00:49:15,578 --> 00:49:18,289
This is a very funny, little, quick joke.
975
00:49:24,545 --> 00:49:25,797
This is it.
976
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,131
Yep. Here it comes.
977
00:49:28,257 --> 00:49:29,842
I just can't take my eyes
off that sweater.
978
00:49:29,926 --> 00:49:31,636
I mean, look at it. It's fantastic.
979
00:49:34,681 --> 00:49:35,848
Li'l Tom.
980
00:49:37,058 --> 00:49:39,769
I wasn't sure,
when I talked to James about the idea,
981
00:49:39,852 --> 00:49:42,397
if he was up for a ventriloquism gag,
982
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,651
but boy, did he go for it
and did an incredible job.
983
00:49:46,734 --> 00:49:48,444
He kinda did it
without moving his mouth too.
984
00:49:48,528 --> 00:49:50,113
I know. I know. He really...
985
00:49:50,196 --> 00:49:54,367
He basically ad-libbed all of that
and gave us a bunch of really funny stuff.
986
00:49:54,450 --> 00:49:55,451
- I love that.
- Yeah, no.
987
00:49:55,535 --> 00:49:58,830
I mean, I hope people have realized it
through these movies,
988
00:49:58,913 --> 00:50:00,748
but James is a really funny guy.
989
00:50:00,832 --> 00:50:03,418
- He's so funny.
- He's so versatile as an actor.
990
00:50:03,501 --> 00:50:04,836
I mean, they both are.
991
00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:06,170
Tika is also incredible.
992
00:50:06,254 --> 00:50:10,591
We're just so lucky to have them
as our mom and dad, as our Wachowskis.
993
00:50:14,095 --> 00:50:16,139
We did a bunch of different versions
of this too.
994
00:50:17,098 --> 00:50:22,228
So, can't have a heist without
a planning-the-heist sort of montage,
995
00:50:22,311 --> 00:50:27,734
and so this was setting up the action
that's to come.
996
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:31,821
Thought it was a really fun idea
to see all these kind of ways
997
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:33,364
of Sonic... things going badly,
998
00:50:33,448 --> 00:50:37,326
and just the little shoes,
you know, the burnt shoes, and then...
999
00:50:38,369 --> 00:50:41,122
Just a funny way of saying that
1000
00:50:41,205 --> 00:50:44,417
that story would not go well
if they were to try that route.
1001
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:47,503
Tom Cruise reference, Paramount reference.
1002
00:50:47,587 --> 00:50:48,588
Yep.
1003
00:51:00,016 --> 00:51:01,017
So...
1004
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:03,936
Can't pass up one more Li'l Tom joke.
1005
00:51:05,938 --> 00:51:10,109
He's got the Donut Lord,
got Sergeant Sprinkles, got the aviators.
1006
00:51:10,943 --> 00:51:14,530
Sergeant Sprinkles, which was in our test
scene that started the whole thing.
1007
00:51:14,614 --> 00:51:17,492
It goes all the way back to the beginning.
That's absolutely right.
1008
00:51:17,575 --> 00:51:19,243
- Another Easter Egg.
- Yep.
1009
00:51:19,327 --> 00:51:20,536
- Gotta remind...
- The characters.
1010
00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:23,664
I figured the audience could use
a reminder what that means.
1011
00:51:23,748 --> 00:51:25,875
When the Master Emerald
and Sonic get together,
1012
00:51:25,958 --> 00:51:28,461
he turns yellow and gets god-like powers.
1013
00:51:28,544 --> 00:51:31,380
But even the character designs,
when they showed Knuckles...
1014
00:51:31,464 --> 00:51:32,840
Oh, yes. Uh-huh, yep.
1015
00:51:35,259 --> 00:51:37,053
I like Knuckles's little crocheted hat.
1016
00:51:37,136 --> 00:51:38,721
- I was gonna say.
- It does have a K.
1017
00:51:38,805 --> 00:51:41,599
You can't really see it.
He's got a little K on the front of it.
1018
00:51:41,682 --> 00:51:44,143
So Tom and Maddie were nice enough
to crochet.
1019
00:51:44,227 --> 00:51:45,978
Hey, great Halloween costume
for next year.
1020
00:51:46,062 --> 00:51:47,939
- Donut Lord sweater with Li'l Tom.
- Absolutely.
1021
00:51:48,022 --> 00:51:50,107
Look at that thing.
I mean, the detail is phenomenal.
1022
00:51:53,778 --> 00:51:56,155
All right, off to London.
1023
00:51:58,032 --> 00:51:59,283
Team Dark.
1024
00:51:59,909 --> 00:52:01,369
Did you have a lift for this for real?
1025
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:07,500
No, it's just a camera crane
just mimicking the movement,
1026
00:52:08,459 --> 00:52:11,420
the platform that he'd be raised by,
1027
00:52:12,505 --> 00:52:14,799
and then Visual Effects
does their thing and...
1028
00:52:14,882 --> 00:52:17,009
Is that true? So he just stayed put
and you went like...
1029
00:52:17,093 --> 00:52:20,137
Yeah, it's the camera actually
dropping down and doing the tilt.
1030
00:52:20,221 --> 00:52:21,556
And then you take that image and...
1031
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,516
And that element then gets placed in here.
1032
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,102
- Oh, my God.
- Uh-huh. Yep.
1033
00:52:26,185 --> 00:52:27,812
That's so smart.
1034
00:52:27,895 --> 00:52:32,567
Yep. No, I credit the camera department
and Brandon for...
1035
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:36,779
They just know all the tricks,
tricks of the trade.
1036
00:52:41,868 --> 00:52:43,119
Time for some spandex.
1037
00:53:02,847 --> 00:53:04,056
We kept that in, huh?
1038
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:05,141
- Oh, yeah.
- I love it.
1039
00:53:05,224 --> 00:53:06,893
It always tested really well with people.
1040
00:53:06,976 --> 00:53:08,603
- Revenge guac.
- Yeah.
1041
00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:11,355
I mean, you know,
Shadow is not a comedic character.
1042
00:53:11,439 --> 00:53:15,443
You don't wanna compromise him,
but you gotta give him moments to just...
1043
00:53:15,526 --> 00:53:18,446
Knuckles in the first movie
we saw Knuckles, which was the last one,
1044
00:53:18,529 --> 00:53:20,531
every now and then,
you gave him a nice joke.
1045
00:53:20,615 --> 00:53:23,659
Yeah, it's like, you want these characters
to be taken seriously,
1046
00:53:23,743 --> 00:53:26,078
you want them to be threatening
when they need to be threatening,
1047
00:53:26,162 --> 00:53:28,748
but that doesn't mean you can't have
a little fun with them from time to time.
1048
00:53:28,831 --> 00:53:30,708
- Look at these shots.
- Yeah.
1049
00:53:31,584 --> 00:53:33,169
Is that London Eye shot real or no?
1050
00:53:34,295 --> 00:53:35,463
- No. Yeah.
- Okay.
1051
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:39,926
No, the establishing shot was.
That was helicopter aerial footage.
1052
00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:44,639
And then all this kinda tighter stuff is...
1053
00:53:44,722 --> 00:53:47,224
I really like
when our three guys are together.
1054
00:53:47,308 --> 00:53:48,935
- Yeah.
- It makes me so happy.
1055
00:53:50,478 --> 00:53:52,980
They work so well together.
So if you think...
1056
00:53:53,064 --> 00:53:54,774
And that way we...
Actually, that's another thing.
1057
00:53:54,857 --> 00:53:57,985
I mean, we already have done
the Shadow lab scene,
1058
00:53:58,069 --> 00:54:02,365
but getting the unexpected combinations,
like Stone and Tails together.
1059
00:54:02,448 --> 00:54:05,117
Like, you're just looking for,
who has not met?
1060
00:54:05,201 --> 00:54:08,371
Who hasn't been in a scene together?
And I think that's always fun.
1061
00:54:08,454 --> 00:54:11,958
And you-- it opens it up
to some new kinda writing and jokes
1062
00:54:12,041 --> 00:54:16,087
when characters that have never met
get to have a scene together.
1063
00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:21,300
So Tails is always useful with
all his incredible technology and is--
1064
00:54:21,384 --> 00:54:25,388
Knew we wanted to do, like,
a Mission: Impossible disguise gag,
1065
00:54:25,471 --> 00:54:28,849
but not do masks and just lean into the--
1066
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:33,020
little bit of a more of
a fun Tails-tech kind of gag.
1067
00:54:33,104 --> 00:54:36,399
And so just these little gizmos
1068
00:54:36,482 --> 00:54:39,360
on the collars would just
kind of be all we need
1069
00:54:39,443 --> 00:54:41,862
to create these
sort of full-body holograms,
1070
00:54:41,946 --> 00:54:44,657
and it gives a chance
to bring back our friends,
1071
00:54:44,740 --> 00:54:46,242
Shemar Moore and Natasha Rothwell.
1072
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:49,161
Natasha has a new TV show out,
if anybody wanted to watch that TV show.
1073
00:54:49,245 --> 00:54:50,246
Yes, no, they're both--
1074
00:54:50,329 --> 00:54:52,498
- She's amazing. They're both great.
- Just this whole cast.
1075
00:54:52,581 --> 00:54:54,917
It's just-- We're just so fortunate,
1076
00:54:55,001 --> 00:54:58,796
and knew we wanted to bring them back
and just have a--
1077
00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:04,218
even if it's a pretty brief little scene,
bring them back for some of the fun.
1078
00:55:07,763 --> 00:55:13,269
And now-- And the idea that Rachel
is now part of GUN herself,
1079
00:55:13,352 --> 00:55:15,855
and they're just there to have lunch.
1080
00:55:16,605 --> 00:55:18,107
Is-- She's a part of GUN?
1081
00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:20,234
No, we just-- just for the story. Yeah.
1082
00:55:20,317 --> 00:55:24,321
For the sake of the infiltration here
that they would--
1083
00:55:24,405 --> 00:55:28,743
God, I love-- Natasha's
an improvisor as well. She's so funny.
1084
00:55:28,826 --> 00:55:33,748
Yes. Incredible. So talented
and has been with us from the start,
1085
00:55:33,831 --> 00:55:35,666
back to the first movie.
1086
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:40,087
So always looking
for great ways to include her.
1087
00:55:48,637 --> 00:55:50,056
How long was the shoot?
1088
00:55:50,973 --> 00:55:53,350
It was probably, like, 58 days.
1089
00:55:53,434 --> 00:55:54,935
- That's it?
- Something like that.
1090
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:58,064
You've gotta remember how much
of this film really is animated.
1091
00:55:58,147 --> 00:56:02,943
I mean, that it is just
all CG environments, characters...
1092
00:56:03,944 --> 00:56:05,029
Yeah, it's--
1093
00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:09,033
There's a lot of animated characters.
1094
00:56:09,116 --> 00:56:10,409
There sure are.
1095
00:56:10,493 --> 00:56:14,080
Did you-- Have you seen where we ended up
with this hologram gag in these?
1096
00:56:14,163 --> 00:56:16,123
This is all really funny.
You're gonna enjoy this.
1097
00:56:16,207 --> 00:56:18,459
- I've seen different versions.
- Yeah.
1098
00:56:20,711 --> 00:56:22,213
Oh, my God. I can't wait.
1099
00:56:23,047 --> 00:56:24,090
You might have seen it.
1100
00:56:24,173 --> 00:56:25,758
- I haven't seen the final.
- Okay.
1101
00:56:25,841 --> 00:56:27,676
There was one back in the day that was--
1102
00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:37,770
I haven't seen this. I haven't seen this.
1103
00:56:39,647 --> 00:56:41,524
And then Ozzy there at the end. I mean--
1104
00:56:41,607 --> 00:56:43,400
I haven't seen that. That's great.
1105
00:56:43,484 --> 00:56:45,444
We just couldn't resist another Li'l Tom.
1106
00:56:45,528 --> 00:56:46,529
You have to.
1107
00:56:46,612 --> 00:56:47,905
So we reached out to James.
1108
00:56:47,988 --> 00:56:51,242
We were like,
"Hey, we need one more Li'l Tom pickup."
1109
00:56:51,325 --> 00:56:54,995
So he recorded it and sent it to us,
and got it in the movie.
1110
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,832
I think I was around when we were
brainstorming what you could do there.
1111
00:56:57,915 --> 00:57:00,668
But I love the filters.
All that stuff is so funny.
1112
00:57:00,751 --> 00:57:02,628
Yeah, it's a fun little gag.
1113
00:57:02,711 --> 00:57:05,131
The visual gags are always just the best.
1114
00:57:05,214 --> 00:57:07,216
This is Sonic not being
a good leader, still.
1115
00:57:07,299 --> 00:57:08,425
Yep. That's right.
1116
00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:11,387
- Yeah.
- Cool scene.
1117
00:57:15,391 --> 00:57:17,810
All right. Here we go.
1118
00:57:24,191 --> 00:57:25,401
You keep any props?
1119
00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:27,278
I might have.
1120
00:57:28,112 --> 00:57:30,489
This is the only film I don't have
any props 'cause I'm never on set.
1121
00:57:30,573 --> 00:57:32,616
But the problem is,
a lot of these are the coolest props.
1122
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,827
I mean, this little USB drive.
1123
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:37,621
I think Tyson designed
all of Tails's little stuff,
1124
00:57:37,705 --> 00:57:42,918
and I think he ended up, as he should,
with a lot of it, so never mind.
1125
00:57:43,460 --> 00:57:47,214
When someone wants to have a copy
of the thing they designed,
1126
00:57:47,298 --> 00:57:49,216
I certainly would feel the same way.
1127
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:52,136
But yeah, a lot of it's digital.
Obviously, all of the--
1128
00:57:52,219 --> 00:57:56,015
Everything on the characters
the digital characters interact with.
1129
00:57:56,098 --> 00:57:58,142
- It's not even real.
- Li'l Tom?
1130
00:57:58,225 --> 00:57:59,977
- Li'l Tom's not digital.
- Yeah, he's--
1131
00:58:00,060 --> 00:58:02,396
- That's felt and made of love.
- Yeah.
1132
00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:08,360
I wouldn't be surprised if that found
its way back to James's possession.
1133
00:58:08,861 --> 00:58:10,613
He deserves to have it, if anyone.
1134
00:58:10,696 --> 00:58:11,739
- Yes.
- Hey, look.
1135
00:58:11,822 --> 00:58:14,617
Luke Freeborn and Ged Wright,
little cameos on the photographs.
1136
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:15,701
That's cool.
1137
00:58:15,784 --> 00:58:18,704
Our visual effects supervisor
and production designer.
1138
00:58:19,538 --> 00:58:21,248
Tyson's back there as well.
1139
00:58:21,332 --> 00:58:23,918
He was the one that Ivo was hiding behind.
1140
00:58:24,001 --> 00:58:25,628
You can see him there,
a little out of focus.
1141
00:58:25,711 --> 00:58:27,338
- Who, Tyson Hesse?
- Tyson. Yeah.
1142
00:58:27,421 --> 00:58:28,839
- Where is he?
- He's right--
1143
00:58:28,923 --> 00:58:31,175
We were just looking at him.
See right there in the middle?
1144
00:58:31,258 --> 00:58:33,135
- In the middle, yeah.
- He's soft focus.
1145
00:58:33,219 --> 00:58:36,180
He's kind of the Mike Wazowski of cameos.
1146
00:58:36,263 --> 00:58:38,682
He's got the barcode
in front of him, his face.
1147
00:58:41,852 --> 00:58:44,605
Yeah, the telenovela was really fun
to shoot.
1148
00:58:44,688 --> 00:58:47,524
We have a lot more, which I think
we'll probably put in the extras.
1149
00:58:47,608 --> 00:58:48,609
- DVD.
- Yeah.
1150
00:58:49,568 --> 00:58:51,612
"Shadow loves Latinas."
1151
00:58:51,695 --> 00:58:55,824
That's another meme
that we found a place for in the movie.
1152
00:58:55,908 --> 00:58:57,451
There's a meme that's what?
"Shadow loves..."
1153
00:58:57,534 --> 00:58:58,869
"Shadow loves Latinas." Yeah.
1154
00:58:58,953 --> 00:59:00,246
- Is that true?
- It's true.
1155
00:59:00,329 --> 00:59:01,830
You can google it after we finish.
1156
00:59:01,914 --> 00:59:03,165
- That's so funny.
- Yep.
1157
00:59:03,249 --> 00:59:06,543
I mean, half the time,
we just find our way to these things.
1158
00:59:06,627 --> 00:59:09,505
It's just, I guess, karma or just magic.
1159
00:59:09,588 --> 00:59:13,300
And just, these opportunities
to honor what fans know and love,
1160
00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:16,845
and the memes they know and love,
it just lands in our-- falls in our lap.
1161
00:59:16,929 --> 00:59:18,389
And we love it.
1162
00:59:25,646 --> 00:59:27,690
So much for the guac party.
1163
00:59:28,607 --> 00:59:31,652
Nice. That's a good pun too.
Like "block party."
1164
00:59:32,403 --> 00:59:33,779
- I love this scene.
- All right.
1165
00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:36,073
When I saw this scene
for the first time, I loved it.
1166
00:59:36,156 --> 00:59:38,242
Yes, no. This was--
1167
00:59:38,867 --> 00:59:42,121
- Was this one--
- We've all seen laser scenes in movies,
1168
00:59:42,204 --> 00:59:44,540
and breaking into places and heists.
1169
00:59:44,623 --> 00:59:45,749
It's been done a lot,
1170
00:59:45,833 --> 00:59:48,961
so obviously you're always just looking
for what hasn't been done.
1171
00:59:49,044 --> 00:59:50,587
How can we do it differently?
1172
00:59:51,213 --> 00:59:55,509
And so this idea of their suits
kind of creating this, like, disco ball--
1173
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,886
- What about their heads?
- Or, like, reflections.
1174
00:59:57,970 --> 00:59:59,722
- Well, don't worry.
- Hey, Jeff.
1175
00:59:59,805 --> 01:00:00,889
Don't worry about that.
1176
01:00:00,973 --> 01:00:02,266
Jeff, what about their heads?
1177
01:00:02,349 --> 01:00:05,185
You wanna cover up Jim Carrey?
You wanna cover up two Jim Carreys?
1178
01:00:05,269 --> 01:00:06,395
Can't cover up Jim Carrey.
1179
01:00:06,478 --> 01:00:10,065
That's the number one rule of moviemaking,
is do not cover up Jim Carrey.
1180
01:00:10,149 --> 01:00:12,026
I haven't seen it with all that CG.
This is cool.
1181
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:14,737
Yeah. You ain't seen nothing yet.
Wait till they start goin'.
1182
01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:18,449
No, this was really-- We had an incredible
choreography team, incredible dancers.
1183
01:00:18,532 --> 01:00:20,534
They just came in and built this out,
1184
01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:23,746
and rehearsed it and rehearsed it
and rehearsed it until it was perfect.
1185
01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:26,081
Jim did do some of it.
1186
01:00:26,165 --> 01:00:28,917
He wanted to do whatever he could,
where he could,
1187
01:00:29,001 --> 01:00:33,505
but it did then fall into the realm
of some little bit of face replacement
1188
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:36,467
for some of the more dynamic,
physical stuff.
1189
01:00:36,550 --> 01:00:42,598
But Jim wanted to get in the mix
and perform whatever he could, and yeah.
1190
01:00:42,681 --> 01:00:45,100
- And no, it's really fun.
- Great song, too.
1191
01:00:45,184 --> 01:00:48,520
Yeah, no, that was Jim's pitch,
"Bring in the Chemical Brothers."
1192
01:00:50,564 --> 01:00:51,565
And, yeah.
1193
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:54,777
No, this was deceptively difficult,
1194
01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:57,112
from a visual effects standpoint,
to create this look.
1195
01:00:57,196 --> 01:00:59,114
Oh, my God, are you crazy?
Look how many lasers.
1196
01:00:59,198 --> 01:01:02,576
Because we very quickly learned
that if you have too much in there,
1197
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:07,122
it's almost impossible to understand or,
you know, to appreciate.
1198
01:01:07,206 --> 01:01:11,001
And so we really just had to keep
pulling back on the number and amount,
1199
01:01:11,085 --> 01:01:15,547
because it just felt like it was really
hard to track what the lasers were doing.
1200
01:01:15,631 --> 01:01:19,426
I mean, they were reflecting
in all these cool ways.
1201
01:01:20,761 --> 01:01:24,723
But, yeah,
just a real blast to film all this.
1202
01:01:24,807 --> 01:01:28,352
Man, with the lasers, it's so cool.
I didn't see it with the lasers like this.
1203
01:01:28,435 --> 01:01:29,853
Yeah. Another big finish here.
1204
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,815
No, I-- It's--
1205
01:01:32,898 --> 01:01:34,400
It's just awesome.
1206
01:01:34,483 --> 01:01:36,151
One of my favorite sequences, for sure.
1207
01:01:39,905 --> 01:01:41,156
Bass line.
1208
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,035
It's right. Tom Holkenborg back
for the third time. Love working with him.
1209
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:49,665
Always great creative partner
and was really up for this,
1210
01:01:49,748 --> 01:01:53,752
in this third movie, leaning in more
to the music that the fans know and love.
1211
01:01:53,836 --> 01:01:57,214
"Live and Learn" becoming, you know,
woven through every aspect
1212
01:01:57,297 --> 01:01:58,841
of the film that we could.
1213
01:01:58,924 --> 01:02:02,803
The Crush 40 song
that fans just have loved
1214
01:02:02,886 --> 01:02:07,224
since it was debuted
with Sonic Adventure 2 back in 2001.
1215
01:02:07,307 --> 01:02:11,311
So, music is a huge deal in this movie.
1216
01:02:17,693 --> 01:02:19,528
Of course, once again,
Sonic being very impulsive,
1217
01:02:19,611 --> 01:02:22,364
and not waiting
for his team to do their thing.
1218
01:02:22,448 --> 01:02:24,658
And just going, running right in.
1219
01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:26,535
Always gonna get you into trouble.
1220
01:02:27,369 --> 01:02:28,829
He needs a team.
1221
01:02:31,665 --> 01:02:33,584
God, we did a hundred of those too.
1222
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:37,588
You never know until ya--
You gotta just keep trying.
1223
01:02:37,671 --> 01:02:38,672
Yeah.
1224
01:02:48,015 --> 01:02:50,559
This was a really cool set.
Really hard to keep clean.
1225
01:02:50,642 --> 01:02:52,394
- But a really cool set.
- Oh, God, I imagine.
1226
01:02:52,478 --> 01:02:59,109
This floor and just it being
all this reflective material
1227
01:02:59,193 --> 01:03:00,777
that would just look awesome,
1228
01:03:00,861 --> 01:03:02,738
but, yeah, the crew all had to walk around
1229
01:03:02,821 --> 01:03:06,533
with little booties on
to protect the finish.
1230
01:03:08,744 --> 01:03:13,165
But really it just felt like something
I haven't seen before,
1231
01:03:13,248 --> 01:03:15,626
is the variable gravity vault.
1232
01:03:16,877 --> 01:03:18,462
Just a fun little set piece.
1233
01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:33,060
It's fun when we get new actors
in the movies.
1234
01:03:33,143 --> 01:03:34,686
Yeah, absolutely.
1235
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:38,232
I mean, it's just--
It's the best of both worlds.
1236
01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:40,567
We get to bring back the people
you know you love working with,
1237
01:03:40,651 --> 01:03:44,112
and then you get
to invite new people into the mix.
1238
01:03:44,196 --> 01:03:46,281
And it really is great.
1239
01:03:46,365 --> 01:03:48,951
Krysten came in and just had fun
1240
01:03:49,034 --> 01:03:53,080
and was up for all the stunt work
she had to do and just was great.
1241
01:03:53,163 --> 01:03:55,374
Does it feel harder
the more characters you have?
1242
01:03:55,457 --> 01:03:58,627
Doesn't it make it just harder to juggle
the story? 'Cause you have to try to--
1243
01:03:58,710 --> 01:04:00,462
It certainly does. It absolutely does.
1244
01:04:00,546 --> 01:04:04,049
I mean even just having four CG characters
all of a sudden, it's just like...
1245
01:04:04,716 --> 01:04:08,011
There's so many CG characters,
and then we have Tom and Maddie,
1246
01:04:08,095 --> 01:04:09,930
and then we have two Robotniks,
then we have Krysten.
1247
01:04:10,013 --> 01:04:11,014
Well, and that's why...
1248
01:04:11,098 --> 01:04:14,059
I mean, what we were able to do
with the Knuckles series where...
1249
01:04:14,142 --> 01:04:16,728
I mean everybody just loved Knuckles
1250
01:04:16,812 --> 01:04:19,064
and what Idris had brought
in the second movie,
1251
01:04:19,147 --> 01:04:21,567
and then like right around the time
that he becomes an ally
1252
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:23,860
and becomes part of the team,
movie 2 ends,
1253
01:04:23,944 --> 01:04:26,947
you know, we have the baseball scene
1254
01:04:27,030 --> 01:04:29,324
and they're all finally together
and it's Team Sonic.
1255
01:04:29,408 --> 01:04:31,368
And then, if we hadn't done
the Knuckles series,
1256
01:04:31,451 --> 01:04:32,869
we would've just gone right into this.
1257
01:04:32,953 --> 01:04:35,914
And now Shadow comes along
and is the new thing, and so...
1258
01:04:35,998 --> 01:04:41,670
You don't want these really great
characters to just get sidelined or...
1259
01:04:41,753 --> 01:04:45,841
You just want to give more of them 'cause
you know the fans are really into them.
1260
01:04:45,924 --> 01:04:47,634
So, that was really fun.
1261
01:04:47,718 --> 01:04:50,846
And to get to dedicate a series
1262
01:04:50,929 --> 01:04:53,140
and then bring back Adam Pally, of course.
1263
01:04:53,223 --> 01:04:55,934
- Yeah. And Adam's so funny.
- Pally is amazing.
1264
01:04:56,852 --> 01:04:58,770
But that was a lot of fun to do.
1265
01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:02,482
So get a little bit more
of your Knuckles fix.
1266
01:05:02,566 --> 01:05:04,526
But yeah, these... It's just...
1267
01:05:04,610 --> 01:05:07,738
All of these characters are so easy
to write for. They're so fun.
1268
01:05:07,821 --> 01:05:09,865
They all have their personalities,
1269
01:05:09,948 --> 01:05:15,537
and their just ways
of adding to the story.
1270
01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:27,341
That's a cool sequence as an actress.
1271
01:05:27,424 --> 01:05:32,220
So, a little bit of stunt harness work,
and not easy to do.
1272
01:05:32,304 --> 01:05:33,764
I mean, being in a harness--
1273
01:05:33,847 --> 01:05:35,599
The worst. Have you ever had to go in one?
1274
01:05:35,682 --> 01:05:36,683
- No.
- They're the worst.
1275
01:05:36,767 --> 01:05:39,561
I suppose I should've just to know
what I'm asking of the actors.
1276
01:05:39,645 --> 01:05:41,521
By the way, you should. I like that idea.
1277
01:05:41,605 --> 01:05:43,607
I've had to go on harnesses
for a bunch of movies.
1278
01:05:43,690 --> 01:05:46,610
And one time,
I had a stunt where I had to fly,
1279
01:05:46,693 --> 01:05:48,945
and they said we're gonna do it
at the end of the day,
1280
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:50,864
so I ate, like, a big lunch.
1281
01:05:51,531 --> 01:05:53,575
Then they moved it right after lunch.
1282
01:05:53,659 --> 01:05:57,496
And, literally, I was so close
to throwing up the whole time.
1283
01:05:57,579 --> 01:05:59,456
'Cause all your weight is
pressing your stomach.
1284
01:05:59,539 --> 01:06:00,791
Yeah, of course.
1285
01:06:02,250 --> 01:06:04,753
This is really fun,
this little slug movement,
1286
01:06:04,836 --> 01:06:09,216
which was a joint effort
between the storyboard artists.
1287
01:06:09,299 --> 01:06:12,678
Doug Olsen had done a really great job
of building this out on the boards,
1288
01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:14,262
and then the stunt team...
1289
01:06:15,806 --> 01:06:17,349
Eunice was our stunt coordinator.
1290
01:06:17,432 --> 01:06:21,561
She did a great job of realizing it
and coming up with a rig and a way,
1291
01:06:21,645 --> 01:06:22,813
'cause it's really hard to do.
1292
01:06:22,896 --> 01:06:24,523
You couldn't do it on your own power,
1293
01:06:24,606 --> 01:06:27,567
this kind of slug-like movement
that Jim's doing.
1294
01:06:27,651 --> 01:06:30,612
And so, they came up with a little harness
that would, kind of,
1295
01:06:30,696 --> 01:06:34,741
not do the movement for him, but
would just take some of the weight off,
1296
01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:36,451
- so he could really just do it.
- That's cool.
1297
01:06:36,535 --> 01:06:39,871
Yeah, it was a really cool rig.
1298
01:06:40,455 --> 01:06:42,958
And stunt department
came through big time.
1299
01:06:43,041 --> 01:06:46,586
Especially, I feel like
this was such a big stunt endeavor,
1300
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:49,381
and the whole stunt team
just really did a great job
1301
01:06:49,464 --> 01:06:51,383
with all the pulls and lifts and...
1302
01:06:52,134 --> 01:06:54,428
It just is always fun when you get to...
1303
01:06:54,511 --> 01:06:57,931
As much fun as we have
designing action for the CG characters,
1304
01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:02,352
like, we have these whole, you know,
squadrons of talented stunt performers
1305
01:07:02,436 --> 01:07:04,938
that can come in
and give us great stuff too.
1306
01:07:06,231 --> 01:07:08,108
You thought he was dead, but there he is.
1307
01:07:08,191 --> 01:07:11,570
Yeah, so this is-- I think,
this is a story point that,
1308
01:07:11,653 --> 01:07:14,823
in hindsight,
feels like, "Oh, yeah. I like it."
1309
01:07:14,906 --> 01:07:18,535
It is maybe not obvious,
but just makes a lot of sense.
1310
01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:19,619
But the idea...
1311
01:07:19,703 --> 01:07:22,956
We knew we wanted to work to a point
where Shadow...
1312
01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:27,002
Like, Tom gets hurt and Sonic is now
suddenly put in this situation
1313
01:07:27,085 --> 01:07:29,463
or experiencing the feelings
that Shadow has felt,
1314
01:07:29,546 --> 01:07:32,299
where the person
he cares the most about in the world,
1315
01:07:32,382 --> 01:07:33,800
something happens to them, right?
1316
01:07:33,884 --> 01:07:35,552
So that happened to Shadow with Maria.
1317
01:07:35,635 --> 01:07:38,180
And now we need Tom to get hurt
1318
01:07:38,263 --> 01:07:41,475
in a way that's gonna, sort of,
create that experience for Sonic.
1319
01:07:41,558 --> 01:07:44,102
And then we knew
we wanted Shadow to be responsible,
1320
01:07:44,186 --> 01:07:47,355
but you didn't wanna have Shadow
just hurt Tom, thinking it was Tom,
1321
01:07:47,439 --> 01:07:49,149
- because that just sort of...
- That's great.
1322
01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,860
It's too... It would be too belligerent.
It'd be too...
1323
01:07:51,943 --> 01:07:55,864
It would villainize, I think,
Shadow in a bad way.
1324
01:07:55,947 --> 01:07:57,699
But him going after Walters,
1325
01:07:57,783 --> 01:08:01,286
who he holds responsible
for what happened to him in the past,
1326
01:08:01,369 --> 01:08:03,955
that was suddenly way more believable.
1327
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,459
But the idea that this hologram
is not really Walters, it's Tom,
1328
01:08:07,542 --> 01:08:09,878
and Shadow's inadvertently hurt Tom,
1329
01:08:09,961 --> 01:08:12,923
and Sonic thinks that Shadow just did it,
1330
01:08:13,006 --> 01:08:17,636
has now given us our fuel
for this third act
1331
01:08:17,719 --> 01:08:21,598
where we're putting Sonic
in a darker place
1332
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:23,850
and taking him somewhere
that we haven't seen before.
1333
01:08:23,934 --> 01:08:26,853
And you also said you always wanted
to kill Walters twice in the same movie.
1334
01:08:26,937 --> 01:08:29,439
- I've just been looking for excuses.
- Ways to keep killing him?
1335
01:08:29,523 --> 01:08:30,857
No. No.
1336
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:34,778
But yeah, once we landed on this
and this hologram gag
1337
01:08:34,861 --> 01:08:36,571
that Shadow thought
he was going after Walters
1338
01:08:36,655 --> 01:08:39,282
but he accidentally is hurting Tom...
1339
01:08:39,366 --> 01:08:41,743
Like, this is just, like...
Oh, my God. It just clicked.
1340
01:08:41,827 --> 01:08:44,788
And it was like, this is our setup
for the rest of the film.
1341
01:08:44,871 --> 01:08:47,415
And we know Sonic is gonna
just go through emotions
1342
01:08:47,499 --> 01:08:49,125
that we've never seen him go through.
1343
01:08:49,209 --> 01:08:50,335
He's gonna be emotional.
1344
01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:54,756
He's gonna go right up to the brink
of the dark side,
1345
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,551
and go after Shadow
with everything he's got.
1346
01:08:58,260 --> 01:09:00,303
Just really make for a compelling
third act.
1347
01:09:04,307 --> 01:09:05,308
Yeah.
1348
01:09:06,101 --> 01:09:08,728
Jim's great little runner
1349
01:09:08,812 --> 01:09:15,527
of him being freaked out
by Shadow's teleporting.
1350
01:09:26,580 --> 01:09:27,914
This was a very cool set.
1351
01:09:27,998 --> 01:09:30,208
It was a partial build
that we then extended.
1352
01:09:30,292 --> 01:09:31,793
What's the part that's built?
1353
01:09:31,877 --> 01:09:33,753
A couple of the... About a quarter of it.
1354
01:09:34,379 --> 01:09:39,593
It was, like, a couple of those
big windows and some of the walkway.
1355
01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:43,513
Actually, it was more than a quarter.
It was almost half.
1356
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:46,391
But...
1357
01:09:48,768 --> 01:09:53,565
Yeah, it was such a cool set
1358
01:09:53,648 --> 01:09:55,775
for all this third act stuff.
1359
01:09:55,859 --> 01:09:59,446
I mean, just getting to go to space,
and again, just following the blueprint
1360
01:09:59,529 --> 01:10:02,532
that Sonic Adventure 2
had laid out for us,
1361
01:10:02,616 --> 01:10:07,871
where the end of the game is all in space
and it's on the ARK,
1362
01:10:07,954 --> 01:10:12,167
which becomes weaponized
into the Eclipse Cannon.
1363
01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:18,173
And just knowing we wanted
to make Sonic and Shadow go super again
1364
01:10:18,256 --> 01:10:20,884
and use the whole planet
as their battlefield
1365
01:10:20,967 --> 01:10:22,510
and use space as their battlefield.
1366
01:10:22,594 --> 01:10:24,429
Are those outfits from one of the games?
1367
01:10:25,096 --> 01:10:26,890
Maybe Ivo's, no?
1368
01:10:26,973 --> 01:10:29,601
No. Though the next... Oh, yeah.
The ones that they just got.
1369
01:10:29,684 --> 01:10:30,685
- These.
- Oh, yeah.
1370
01:10:30,769 --> 01:10:34,564
This is the most faithful Eggman costume
we've ever done.
1371
01:10:34,648 --> 01:10:37,150
And it just felt like finally,
we're going to space.
1372
01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:41,112
We can kinda have these, like, space suit,
kind of cues, you know?
1373
01:10:41,196 --> 01:10:42,781
This sort of, this look.
1374
01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:44,115
It was just like...
1375
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:46,409
It just was perfect.
1376
01:10:46,493 --> 01:10:51,039
And it finally felt time to, like,
honor the original Eggman costume
1377
01:10:51,122 --> 01:10:53,500
in just the most faithful way we could.
1378
01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:54,751
And it just looked great.
1379
01:10:54,834 --> 01:10:56,211
- It looks so cool.
- Yeah.
1380
01:10:56,294 --> 01:10:58,171
And Jim loved it, and then it just...
1381
01:10:59,381 --> 01:11:01,800
And then for Gerald it was like,
well why not just give...
1382
01:11:01,883 --> 01:11:06,805
The lab coat was sort of
his iconic look from the games,
1383
01:11:06,888 --> 01:11:09,766
that like, just give him a white version
of the same suit
1384
01:11:09,849 --> 01:11:12,727
for them to go up and go into space.
1385
01:11:15,939 --> 01:11:18,942
But, yeah.
It just ended up in a great place.
1386
01:11:21,194 --> 01:11:23,738
The costume designer Ellie Baker
is incredible,
1387
01:11:23,822 --> 01:11:27,325
and her and her team
did an incredible job.
1388
01:11:44,217 --> 01:11:46,344
All right. Let's launch this sucker.
1389
01:11:49,472 --> 01:11:51,516
Is there any story points
that you wanted to put in this
1390
01:11:51,599 --> 01:11:53,351
or characters you wanted to put
in this that were
1391
01:11:53,435 --> 01:11:55,145
in earlier drafts that you did not do?
1392
01:11:57,188 --> 01:11:58,815
- You know, because we--
- For 3.
1393
01:11:58,898 --> 01:12:03,403
Because we knew what we were referencing,
a lot of it really...
1394
01:12:03,486 --> 01:12:06,614
it kind of fell into place pretty early.
1395
01:12:06,698 --> 01:12:08,491
Trying to think. We didn't really...
1396
01:12:08,575 --> 01:12:11,953
There's not a lot of stuff
that didn't make the movie or...
1397
01:12:12,037 --> 01:12:13,788
I mean, of course, like I was mentioning
1398
01:12:13,872 --> 01:12:15,832
with the hologram gag
and Tom getting hurt.
1399
01:12:15,915 --> 01:12:19,586
There's always ideas or moments that
you're not quite sure how to get there
1400
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:21,421
but you know you need to get there.
1401
01:12:22,047 --> 01:12:25,050
But, yeah, no, the...
1402
01:12:26,926 --> 01:12:28,553
I mean, it's always a challenge,
1403
01:12:28,636 --> 01:12:32,515
and you do sort of come at the story
every way imaginable, but...
1404
01:12:34,017 --> 01:12:37,729
And Josh Miller and Pat Casey
and John Whittington, our writers...
1405
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:38,897
Great writers.
1406
01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:41,357
...just always give us great stuff,
1407
01:12:41,441 --> 01:12:44,194
and I'm very, very fortunate
to work with them.
1408
01:12:45,403 --> 01:12:47,572
All right, Eclipse Cannon is launched.
1409
01:12:49,991 --> 01:12:52,952
So, yeah. Tonally, I think
we were talking about this earlier,
1410
01:12:53,036 --> 01:12:58,124
but bringing Shadow into the movie,
having access to his backstory,
1411
01:12:58,208 --> 01:13:02,253
knowing that that was gonna sort of,
like, take the tone of the film
1412
01:13:02,337 --> 01:13:06,049
to kind of a new place,
a more interesting place...
1413
01:13:06,132 --> 01:13:08,843
It just... It creates moments like this,
1414
01:13:08,927 --> 01:13:11,513
where like,
now we're putting our characters,
1415
01:13:11,596 --> 01:13:15,016
who can be silly and fun
and entertaining and emotional,
1416
01:13:15,100 --> 01:13:19,312
but now really putting them
in just new situations
1417
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:20,980
and challenging them in new ways,
1418
01:13:21,064 --> 01:13:26,236
and working through these kinds
of really emotional beats.
1419
01:13:26,319 --> 01:13:29,322
This is just the stuff that I feel like
makes for really good stories.
1420
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:30,406
I love this beat.
1421
01:13:30,490 --> 01:13:34,077
Yeah, getting to watch Team Sonic
kinda break apart
1422
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,497
and see Sonic reacting very emotionally
1423
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,541
and just going to, like, the...
1424
01:13:39,624 --> 01:13:43,753
you know, going sort of to the wrong place
before he sort of finds his way.
1425
01:13:44,587 --> 01:13:48,675
It just all felt like really good stuff.
1426
01:13:50,051 --> 01:13:52,262
And you did a great job
with the performance.
1427
01:13:52,345 --> 01:13:55,473
I mean,
this is when things get dramatic, it's...
1428
01:13:56,724 --> 01:13:59,060
Obviously you are so talented
at the humor,
1429
01:13:59,144 --> 01:14:02,480
and give us so much comedy that
the animators can take their cues off of,
1430
01:14:02,564 --> 01:14:04,899
- but this is...
- I love these beats.
1431
01:14:04,983 --> 01:14:07,485
- This is really important stuff.
- I love these beats.
1432
01:14:07,569 --> 01:14:10,697
And you gave us a great performance,
my friend.
1433
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:39,017
So there's only one Sonic alumni
that we haven't seen yet,
1434
01:14:39,100 --> 01:14:41,811
that we're missing, and I think
he might be coming up right now.
1435
01:14:41,895 --> 01:14:44,355
- The turtle again?
- The turtle, that's right.
1436
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,734
Knuckles gave the Master Emerald
to the turtle. That would be hilarious.
1437
01:14:48,318 --> 01:14:50,111
No, Wade Whipple.
1438
01:14:50,778 --> 01:14:53,573
Who had his own TV show,
and then gets to come back for...
1439
01:14:53,656 --> 01:14:55,074
I love this beat though.
1440
01:14:57,243 --> 01:15:00,413
Also, I can't imagine Pally knows
how to Rollerblade, right?
1441
01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:01,956
He was like Bambi on ice.
1442
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,293
Yeah, it's... What an absolute mistake.
1443
01:15:05,376 --> 01:15:07,003
Yeah, we... He was...
1444
01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:09,380
That looks unbeliev-- Like...
1445
01:15:13,635 --> 01:15:15,929
On his cover,
he's not wearing them there, right?
1446
01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:18,348
No, I think...
1447
01:15:18,431 --> 01:15:21,726
It took long enough
to take 'em on, take 'em off,
1448
01:15:21,809 --> 01:15:23,019
and I think you'd also know
1449
01:15:23,102 --> 01:15:26,064
if he was standing there
versus trying to stay balanced.
1450
01:15:26,147 --> 01:15:28,233
So yeah, no, he wore 'em the whole time.
1451
01:15:28,316 --> 01:15:29,734
That's so funny.
1452
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,195
He obviously has never rollerbladed.
1453
01:15:32,278 --> 01:15:33,655
Yeah, yeah. That's all...
1454
01:15:33,738 --> 01:15:35,406
All that fumbling is authentic.
1455
01:15:35,490 --> 01:15:37,700
I love that. I love him so much.
1456
01:15:48,503 --> 01:15:50,505
- In Shibuya.
- All these plates are gorge.
1457
01:15:53,841 --> 01:15:55,551
Did you get a plate from New York?
1458
01:15:57,595 --> 01:15:59,514
It may or may not be stock photography.
1459
01:15:59,597 --> 01:16:00,682
Understood.
1460
01:16:02,016 --> 01:16:04,102
If you only need one shot of something,
1461
01:16:04,185 --> 01:16:06,312
it's not a great use of... Yeah.
1462
01:16:07,146 --> 01:16:09,232
- Mustache. Solar panel mustache.
- Yeah.
1463
01:16:09,315 --> 01:16:13,194
Always looking for reasons
to bring in the iconic Robotnik look.
1464
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:15,321
This stuff is just awesome.
1465
01:16:15,405 --> 01:16:17,448
I love being up in space and this set,
1466
01:16:17,532 --> 01:16:21,703
just being open to seeing the world below
and all that depth.
1467
01:16:21,786 --> 01:16:23,288
And you guys really went to space, right?
1468
01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:25,248
Most of the budget is just
you guys flying to space.
1469
01:16:25,331 --> 01:16:27,083
That's right. We were very lucky.
1470
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:30,003
You said you lived on Mars for two weeks.
1471
01:16:30,086 --> 01:16:31,129
Fine, good?
1472
01:16:31,212 --> 01:16:33,798
It's a long trip. It's...
1473
01:16:37,093 --> 01:16:38,886
All right, it's time to get emotional.
1474
01:16:48,354 --> 01:16:52,275
You were asking about sort of ideas
and stuff that didn't make the movie.
1475
01:16:52,358 --> 01:16:56,154
The placement of this was always
kind of something we--
1476
01:16:56,237 --> 01:16:57,864
Where in the story did...
1477
01:16:57,947 --> 01:17:01,242
the true story of Shadow's past,
and what happened to Maria.
1478
01:17:01,326 --> 01:17:03,119
Like, you don't want it
to be early in the film.
1479
01:17:03,202 --> 01:17:04,996
It's obviously heavy
1480
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:09,709
and you don't want to kind of,
like, weigh the movie down too soon.
1481
01:17:09,792 --> 01:17:12,795
You want to be fun and fast and exciting.
1482
01:17:12,879 --> 01:17:16,382
But you owe it, and it's such
an important part to the fans,
1483
01:17:16,466 --> 01:17:20,762
to Shadow's story, Maria's story,
Gerald's story, and so...
1484
01:17:20,845 --> 01:17:24,307
But right before he has to use his anger
to power up the station
1485
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:27,935
to do the... you know,
to activate it to do the terrible thing,
1486
01:17:28,770 --> 01:17:30,855
it just... this felt like the right place.
1487
01:17:30,938 --> 01:17:33,483
I think it's right. I remember
watching different cuts of this and...
1488
01:17:33,566 --> 01:17:35,568
Also, I think a big question from fans
would be like,
1489
01:17:35,651 --> 01:17:38,404
"How are you gonna tell this story
authentically, how are you gonna do this?"
1490
01:17:38,488 --> 01:17:40,948
I think you did a great job
figuring it out.
1491
01:17:41,032 --> 01:17:42,158
Thanks, man. No, it's...
1492
01:17:42,241 --> 01:17:44,827
It's hard. This is a hard thing to do
in the movies that we make.
1493
01:17:44,911 --> 01:17:47,914
Yeah. It's just emotional stuff.
1494
01:17:47,997 --> 01:17:49,290
Do you feel like the movies...
1495
01:17:49,374 --> 01:17:51,751
Do you feel a sense of responsibility
to grow up?
1496
01:17:51,834 --> 01:17:54,670
Like with the people that are growing up
with these films,
1497
01:17:54,754 --> 01:17:57,590
do you feel like the movies should
grow up with them, or you're not...
1498
01:17:57,673 --> 01:18:00,802
Absolutely, I think, like, Sonic...
1499
01:18:00,885 --> 01:18:02,637
The first film came out in 2020.
1500
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,765
It's been almost five years since that,
1501
01:18:05,848 --> 01:18:09,185
and yeah, it's like, I love that idea.
1502
01:18:09,268 --> 01:18:12,271
I love that the kids
that watched that first movie
1503
01:18:12,355 --> 01:18:18,569
are now looking for
a slightly different Sonic movie.
1504
01:18:18,653 --> 01:18:20,905
And we love giving that to them,
and going...
1505
01:18:20,988 --> 01:18:25,785
and working our way into these new stories
that are a little more grown up
1506
01:18:25,868 --> 01:18:30,248
and able to handle more complex themes
and subject matters.
1507
01:18:30,331 --> 01:18:32,041
But yet, at the same time,
1508
01:18:32,125 --> 01:18:34,669
you know, also honoring the films
that have come before,
1509
01:18:34,752 --> 01:18:39,507
and making sure that we're still fun
and fast and action-packed
1510
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:41,384
and hilarious and all that.
1511
01:18:41,467 --> 01:18:46,597
So it's always a fun challenge
to try and balance all those elements.
1512
01:18:47,265 --> 01:18:48,474
I love the placement.
1513
01:18:48,558 --> 01:18:50,601
I remember it being all over...
like, different places.
1514
01:18:50,685 --> 01:18:53,855
I think the placement there's perfect.
You need it right before that moment.
1515
01:18:53,938 --> 01:18:55,440
Yeah, yeah, no.
1516
01:18:55,523 --> 01:18:59,152
If it came any earlier in the movie,
I think it just is a little too heavy.
1517
01:18:59,235 --> 01:19:01,904
- But I think here, where it really...
- It has to fuel the moment.
1518
01:19:01,988 --> 01:19:04,407
- It has to have a purpose.
- And it's also Gerald's story, right?
1519
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:07,285
This is where Ivo finds out
what Gerald's true motivations are.
1520
01:19:07,368 --> 01:19:10,663
And now we just watched... It's not just
the Shadow side of what happened to Maria.
1521
01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:13,624
Like, Gerald was a part
of that same moment.
1522
01:19:13,708 --> 01:19:18,254
And now you understand
that Gerald has carried that anger
1523
01:19:18,337 --> 01:19:21,340
and all this
in the same way that Shadow has.
1524
01:19:21,424 --> 01:19:24,927
And now they're going to do something
about it and take their revenge.
1525
01:19:25,011 --> 01:19:28,514
And even though Ivo wants to be
a part of Gerald's life,
1526
01:19:28,598 --> 01:19:29,932
Gerald rejects him.
1527
01:19:30,016 --> 01:19:31,392
Now all this...
1528
01:19:31,476 --> 01:19:36,397
It's like, Ivo opened himself up
to family and to love and to all that,
1529
01:19:36,481 --> 01:19:42,153
and now, he's getting burned so badly,
and it's just...
1530
01:19:42,236 --> 01:19:45,156
Jim just... I mean, look at this stuff.
He's incredible.
1531
01:19:45,239 --> 01:19:48,451
This feels like two different actors
in a scene
1532
01:19:48,534 --> 01:19:50,286
delivering great performance, and it's...
1533
01:19:50,369 --> 01:19:54,624
The idea that it's one actor working
both sides of it is just a real testament
1534
01:19:54,707 --> 01:19:57,710
to what an incredible talent Jim is.
1535
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:31,744
I'm so curious what his character
will be like in future movies,
1536
01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:33,204
if we get to do them.
1537
01:20:33,287 --> 01:20:34,914
- Shadow?
- Yeah.
1538
01:20:34,997 --> 01:20:39,835
Well, you know, in the games
and the comics and all that,
1539
01:20:39,919 --> 01:20:41,295
I think it's always...
1540
01:20:41,379 --> 01:20:43,965
He's just an interesting, kind of like...
1541
01:20:44,465 --> 01:20:46,884
It's never a simple answer.
1542
01:20:46,968 --> 01:20:51,222
Like, he's always kind of...
He's got morals, you know.
1543
01:20:51,305 --> 01:20:55,101
He's got... He's not... I don't think
he would call himself a hero,
1544
01:20:55,184 --> 01:20:57,353
but he's not gonna let bad things happen.
1545
01:20:57,436 --> 01:20:59,188
He's not just gonna stand on the sidelines
1546
01:20:59,272 --> 01:21:01,023
if there's something
that can be done about it.
1547
01:21:01,107 --> 01:21:04,569
But he's also not gonna
just sign up for Team Sonic.
1548
01:21:04,652 --> 01:21:06,362
I mean, it's just not who he is.
1549
01:21:06,445 --> 01:21:08,990
He's not gonna become part
of the Wachowski family, right?
1550
01:21:09,073 --> 01:21:10,616
Like, he's gonna be his own thing.
1551
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:13,494
And he's just gonna be
kind of a lone wolf.
1552
01:21:15,121 --> 01:21:17,456
- All right, let's do this.
- The big moment.
1553
01:21:21,127 --> 01:21:26,048
I mean, all this imagery,
1554
01:21:26,132 --> 01:21:30,595
all this awesome action,
this battle of the gods,
1555
01:21:30,678 --> 01:21:35,641
like, it's been so hard as we've been
starting to share trailers
1556
01:21:35,725 --> 01:21:38,894
and commercials and imagery from the film.
1557
01:21:38,978 --> 01:21:41,230
You know,
we've been holding this stuff back
1558
01:21:41,314 --> 01:21:45,776
because, I think, it's just you want
people to experience it in the theater
1559
01:21:45,860 --> 01:21:47,486
and not have it spoiled for them,
1560
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:51,032
but it's always hard
because this stuff just looks so great.
1561
01:21:51,115 --> 01:21:53,075
It's a little "Matrix-ey," that moment.
1562
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:54,493
Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
1563
01:21:54,577 --> 01:21:56,829
You got Keanu,
you need to do a Matrix reference.
1564
01:21:56,912 --> 01:21:59,415
- God, this stuff is so cool.
- Yeah.
1565
01:21:59,498 --> 01:22:03,961
I mean, you've got two characters
with the power of gods.
1566
01:22:04,045 --> 01:22:07,590
It's a fun thing
to take out for a test drive.
1567
01:22:09,967 --> 01:22:11,969
I haven't seen it with all the CG.
It's amazing.
1568
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:13,471
Yeah. No, it's...
1569
01:22:13,554 --> 01:22:15,765
I'm very excited for this sequence...
1570
01:22:15,848 --> 01:22:18,601
- Oh, my God.
- ...do this in visual effects.
1571
01:22:28,861 --> 01:22:31,197
- Callback.
- "Left yourself open." That's right.
1572
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,033
Robotnik and Stone,
outside the roadhouse, movie one.
1573
01:22:35,368 --> 01:22:36,869
We love a callback.
1574
01:22:39,664 --> 01:22:43,084
That was other aspect of the suits,
kind of lean into this.
1575
01:22:43,167 --> 01:22:45,461
And this is kind of Jim's pitch,
this sort of nanotechnology
1576
01:22:45,544 --> 01:22:49,757
that would really kind of allow us
to just do whatever and come up with...
1577
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,134
We wanted to have a way
of having this fight...
1578
01:22:52,218 --> 01:22:55,763
Ivo and Gerald not try to be Super Sonic
and Super Shadow.
1579
01:22:55,846 --> 01:22:59,058
There was no way for it to compete
with Super Sonic and Super Shadow,
1580
01:22:59,141 --> 01:23:02,895
so we wanted something that
just had a totally different personality.
1581
01:23:02,978 --> 01:23:07,900
Obviously it could be a little... have
a little more comedy incorporated into it.
1582
01:23:07,983 --> 01:23:12,363
And so I just feel like all the nano stuff
pairs really nicely with this,
1583
01:23:12,446 --> 01:23:13,531
because this is just--
1584
01:23:13,614 --> 01:23:16,117
This is the best. I love this.
1585
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:17,243
Yeah.
1586
01:23:23,124 --> 01:23:24,125
Where are they now?
1587
01:23:25,626 --> 01:23:31,048
You know, it's kind of
in a Parthenon-type setting,
1588
01:23:31,132 --> 01:23:32,216
without being the Parthenon,
1589
01:23:32,299 --> 01:23:36,429
'cause it was kind of
a made-up acropolis temple.
1590
01:23:36,512 --> 01:23:39,932
So it could be anywhere,
but it's kind of Greece,
1591
01:23:40,015 --> 01:23:42,101
in that kind of part of the world,
1592
01:23:43,018 --> 01:23:47,022
without being a specific temple
that we would then have to destroy.
1593
01:23:49,734 --> 01:23:51,902
But, again, these guys being gods,
1594
01:23:51,986 --> 01:23:55,448
it felt like, to be in a temple
for this moment,
1595
01:23:55,531 --> 01:23:59,910
it felt like a good kinda...
good imagery, good setting for this.
1596
01:24:02,121 --> 01:24:04,206
Those are some
of the hardest voice-over things to do.
1597
01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:06,250
Like the huge yells over and over again.
1598
01:24:06,333 --> 01:24:08,794
Oh, yeah. No, it's...
1599
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:12,673
But also the most exciting
when you see it on the screen.
1600
01:24:12,757 --> 01:24:14,467
Yeah, I mean, in Sonic, again--
1601
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:15,718
God, look at that shot.
1602
01:24:16,385 --> 01:24:19,180
A little bit of a 2001 kind of nod.
1603
01:24:37,615 --> 01:24:38,949
Good job, Jeff.
1604
01:24:39,033 --> 01:24:40,117
Good job, James.
1605
01:24:40,201 --> 01:24:42,036
I mean, just time and time again,
1606
01:24:42,119 --> 01:24:46,957
coming in and giving us great stuff.
1607
01:24:47,041 --> 01:24:50,461
And never... It's so hard acting to nothing.
1608
01:24:51,504 --> 01:24:55,591
But he's always given us incredible stuff.
1609
01:24:55,674 --> 01:24:57,843
But, yeah, this moment of them finally--
1610
01:24:58,511 --> 01:25:01,013
It's also the same position
that Knuckles and Sonic had...
1611
01:25:01,096 --> 01:25:03,349
- Yeah.
- ...which was a great little nod.
1612
01:25:03,432 --> 01:25:06,644
And, you know,
we don't go out of our way to do that.
1613
01:25:06,727 --> 01:25:10,105
It just, in this setting, knowing
they needed to have this conversation
1614
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:12,650
in this fantastic place,
being on the moon.
1615
01:25:14,401 --> 01:25:16,487
And then, yeah, this just...
1616
01:25:17,530 --> 01:25:21,784
giving Shadow this moment
to relive that last moment
1617
01:25:21,867 --> 01:25:25,037
he was with Maria doing the stargazing.
1618
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:26,121
It just...
1619
01:25:27,706 --> 01:25:28,958
Just so emotional.
1620
01:25:32,878 --> 01:25:35,840
And Keanu just got it,
knew what we were going for...
1621
01:25:37,842 --> 01:25:39,051
and nailed it.
1622
01:25:40,302 --> 01:25:41,303
As did you.
1623
01:25:41,387 --> 01:25:42,513
I'm in this. I forgot.
1624
01:25:42,596 --> 01:25:43,597
Yeah.
1625
01:25:46,016 --> 01:25:48,644
I just love that we get to do
a moment like this, you know.
1626
01:25:48,727 --> 01:25:51,564
Inside of all this big, bombastic
third-act action,
1627
01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:54,108
to kind of have
this little character moment,
1628
01:25:54,191 --> 01:25:57,611
and these two talking it out
in this incredible setting.
1629
01:26:03,868 --> 01:26:05,786
God, I hope we get to make another one.
1630
01:26:11,625 --> 01:26:16,213
And then lending opportunities
for visuals like that.
1631
01:26:28,017 --> 01:26:29,977
So much incredible animation work.
1632
01:26:30,060 --> 01:26:31,270
So good, it's crazy.
1633
01:26:31,353 --> 01:26:35,482
I'm so proud of all our partners,
all our vendors, all the animators.
1634
01:26:35,566 --> 01:26:38,235
So much of this movie isn't even...
You're not rolling cameras here at all.
1635
01:26:38,319 --> 01:26:40,154
- This is all CG.
- It's just... And it's hard.
1636
01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:42,656
It's like, I mean, this nuanced acting.
1637
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:44,783
God, even look at the glove.
Look at the little...
1638
01:26:44,867 --> 01:26:46,160
Yeah. Yeah, it's...
1639
01:26:48,871 --> 01:26:49,997
I missed that line.
1640
01:26:50,956 --> 01:26:52,917
I guess I'll just watch it later.
1641
01:26:54,668 --> 01:26:56,295
All right, get ready for it.
1642
01:26:56,378 --> 01:26:57,588
It's coming.
1643
01:26:57,671 --> 01:26:59,423
Those power chords.
1644
01:26:59,506 --> 01:27:00,883
It can only be one thing.
1645
01:27:04,678 --> 01:27:08,599
Crush 40, "Live and Learn."
You know it had to happen.
1646
01:27:08,682 --> 01:27:10,351
New recording or same recording?
1647
01:27:10,976 --> 01:27:15,356
No, this-- Junkie,
Tom Holkenborg, just came in
1648
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,776
and created a new riff on it,
and just kind of took the best elements.
1649
01:27:18,859 --> 01:27:23,072
And we knew
we wanted something orchestral.
1650
01:27:23,155 --> 01:27:25,282
- I love that beat.
- Oh, yeah.
1651
01:27:25,866 --> 01:27:28,243
"That's right, new hedgehog,
and everyone loves it."
1652
01:27:29,286 --> 01:27:31,914
It also shows you that he has
some personality when he lets loose,
1653
01:27:31,997 --> 01:27:33,749
Shadow, a little bit,
you know what I mean?
1654
01:27:33,832 --> 01:27:35,584
Which is what we need
if we're gonna keep using him.
1655
01:27:35,668 --> 01:27:37,878
- Absolutely. Yeah.
- He can't just be...
1656
01:27:40,089 --> 01:27:41,090
God.
1657
01:27:42,508 --> 01:27:46,845
Always brings down the house
in a preview, our test screenings.
1658
01:27:46,929 --> 01:27:48,347
Huge laugh.
1659
01:27:48,973 --> 01:27:51,850
This is where Jim really came up
with some funny pitches,
1660
01:27:51,934 --> 01:27:55,020
the "set up defense."
1661
01:27:57,523 --> 01:28:00,150
I haven't seen the final CG
on this either. This is crazy.
1662
01:28:06,907 --> 01:28:08,492
Did he have anything on the day?
1663
01:28:08,575 --> 01:28:10,828
No, no, just his imagination,
1664
01:28:10,911 --> 01:28:13,747
which, fortunately, Jim Carrey
has an incredible imagination.
1665
01:28:13,831 --> 01:28:15,249
- It's funny.
- Yeah.
1666
01:28:15,332 --> 01:28:17,167
I haven't seen that beat either yet.
1667
01:28:17,251 --> 01:28:18,752
That's great, Jeff.
1668
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:27,302
All of Jim's mantis acting was hilarious.
1669
01:28:27,386 --> 01:28:30,472
And so everything that the animators did--
1670
01:28:30,556 --> 01:28:31,765
Yeah, he's got wings.
1671
01:28:33,225 --> 01:28:36,145
I haven't seen it with CG yet.
It's so much better.
1672
01:28:36,228 --> 01:28:38,022
Yeah. Of course. Course.
1673
01:28:39,023 --> 01:28:40,816
Takes a little while but we get there.
1674
01:28:40,899 --> 01:28:43,027
God, it's great. It's great.
1675
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:45,779
- Jim is so good.
- He's just...
1676
01:28:45,863 --> 01:28:46,989
I love him so much.
1677
01:28:47,072 --> 01:28:49,408
Well, I love that
you don't really think of his--
1678
01:28:49,491 --> 01:28:51,869
Other than like The Mask,
going all the way back to the beginning,
1679
01:28:51,952 --> 01:28:55,581
his movies aren't usually
as visual effects driven, you know?
1680
01:28:55,664 --> 01:28:59,752
So it's fun to let his imagination
kind of run wild
1681
01:28:59,835 --> 01:29:01,253
- and pitch ideas...
- He's a genius.
1682
01:29:01,336 --> 01:29:03,714
...that we could then
turn around and execute.
1683
01:29:04,757 --> 01:29:09,136
But, yeah, it's fun to give him
all these toys to play with.
1684
01:29:11,013 --> 01:29:15,059
So this sequence, I got to give
a shout-out to Blur Studio, my Alma mater.
1685
01:29:15,142 --> 01:29:17,936
This was all created by Blur for us.
1686
01:29:18,020 --> 01:29:19,563
Tim, he knew this was...
1687
01:29:20,814 --> 01:29:21,815
You gotta be a very...
1688
01:29:21,899 --> 01:29:23,442
God, I haven't seen this either yet.
1689
01:29:23,525 --> 01:29:25,319
- You're gonna love this.
- I just saw a rough of it.
1690
01:29:25,402 --> 01:29:29,782
Yeah, this is one of the last things
we finished, so this is...
1691
01:29:29,865 --> 01:29:31,867
This sequence even
when it was rough was amazing.
1692
01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:33,160
Yeah. Well, it's just...
1693
01:29:33,243 --> 01:29:37,498
I mean, seeing them fight side by side,
I mean, we just knew it had to happen.
1694
01:29:37,581 --> 01:29:41,710
We couldn't just...
We couldn't just pass up this opportunity.
1695
01:29:41,794 --> 01:29:43,587
- Come on!
- Yeah. It's...
1696
01:29:46,715 --> 01:29:51,553
It's just... an incredible amount of work.
1697
01:29:51,637 --> 01:29:52,888
Wow, man.
1698
01:29:52,971 --> 01:29:55,015
We could not be more excited
by the results.
1699
01:29:55,099 --> 01:29:56,767
- Come on!
- Come on!
1700
01:29:57,476 --> 01:29:59,144
Sonic Adventure team, baby.
1701
01:29:59,228 --> 01:30:00,979
That's great. Huge smile.
1702
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:26,755
Jim gave us a whole bunch
of really funny--
1703
01:30:26,839 --> 01:30:28,006
It was hard to cut this down.
1704
01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:31,135
It had a little bit more
of a monologue quality...
1705
01:30:33,220 --> 01:30:35,347
but ultimately, we had to whittle it down.
1706
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:37,975
Yeah. But that moment works like that too.
1707
01:30:38,058 --> 01:30:39,810
That moment works really well
like that too.
1708
01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:40,894
That's always the--
1709
01:30:40,978 --> 01:30:44,606
It's the embarrassment of riches problem
we always have with Jim is that
1710
01:30:44,690 --> 01:30:47,860
he gives us so much stuff,
it's always so hard to cut any of it.
1711
01:31:05,711 --> 01:31:07,588
Now, he's dead, correct?
1712
01:31:07,671 --> 01:31:08,797
He certainly looks dead.
1713
01:31:08,881 --> 01:31:09,882
You--
1714
01:31:10,632 --> 01:31:14,261
But, you know, there's one rule
of filmmaking these days is
1715
01:31:14,344 --> 01:31:17,514
you don't wanna do anything
you can't come back from.
1716
01:31:17,598 --> 01:31:19,850
I mean, Ivo's come back twice already.
1717
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:24,980
He's fallen down
from absolutely fatal injuries.
1718
01:31:25,063 --> 01:31:28,984
You can fall off of a 200-foot mech,
you know, if you land right.
1719
01:31:29,067 --> 01:31:32,112
Hit a nice, soft patch of sand.
1720
01:31:33,155 --> 01:31:36,200
Do you think the DVD commentary were
the original podcasts? Kinda.
1721
01:31:36,283 --> 01:31:39,036
They kinda were, weren't they?
People talkin', yeah, absolutely.
1722
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:40,787
I guess radio's really the original.
1723
01:31:40,871 --> 01:31:43,165
Yeah. Radio deserves the credit.
1724
01:31:43,248 --> 01:31:46,668
So this is the second part
of that Blur sequence, which...
1725
01:31:49,254 --> 01:31:50,255
yeah, I just love.
1726
01:31:50,339 --> 01:31:51,882
I could watch those two,
1727
01:31:51,965 --> 01:31:54,509
Super Sonic and Super Shadow,
fight side by side for hours.
1728
01:31:54,593 --> 01:31:56,470
I have a feeling you're gonna
get another movie to do it.
1729
01:31:58,555 --> 01:32:02,893
That was probably last line we recorded,
I think. "Now, this might hurt a little!"
1730
01:32:02,976 --> 01:32:04,436
We did that a couple a times too.
1731
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:06,480
Shot it.
1732
01:32:06,563 --> 01:32:08,065
Very Peter Pan, that shot.
1733
01:32:08,148 --> 01:32:11,652
Yeah, Big Ben at night. Just iconic.
1734
01:32:17,074 --> 01:32:19,743
I haven't seen it since, I think,
you made a little adjustment to this.
1735
01:32:24,206 --> 01:32:27,084
Again, fun,
these little team-ups and pairings.
1736
01:32:27,167 --> 01:32:30,087
I'd never seen Robotnik kind of--
1737
01:32:30,754 --> 01:32:33,423
Robotnik and Tails teaming up,
1738
01:32:33,507 --> 01:32:36,969
do something, help save the world.
1739
01:32:40,597 --> 01:32:43,100
If we got a fourth movie,
do you know what you wanna do with it?
1740
01:32:44,059 --> 01:32:48,730
It's impossible to not be scheming
and thinking.
1741
01:32:48,814 --> 01:32:51,984
Yeah. No, I think a lot of those choices
are dictated
1742
01:32:52,067 --> 01:32:53,944
by who we're bringing in next, you know?
1743
01:32:54,027 --> 01:32:57,823
It's a lot like the story was influenced
by the addition of Shadow,
1744
01:32:57,906 --> 01:33:01,326
and I think the-- any future movies
will definitely be influenced
1745
01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:03,704
by the new characters
that are coming into the story.
1746
01:33:03,787 --> 01:33:06,456
That's a great beat.
That close-up beat is great.
1747
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:08,333
Yeah. Yeah.
1748
01:33:09,209 --> 01:33:10,794
All the-- As I was saying,
1749
01:33:10,877 --> 01:33:15,257
all our visual effects partners just
absolutely crushed it on these movies.
1750
01:33:15,340 --> 01:33:16,883
We had a great team.
1751
01:33:27,436 --> 01:33:28,770
That's great, too.
1752
01:33:34,609 --> 01:33:37,029
- God, I love Jim so much.
- Yeah.
1753
01:33:37,112 --> 01:33:38,613
And it-- Again, it's not--
1754
01:33:38,697 --> 01:33:41,116
He's there by himself.
Like, he makes it look easy.
1755
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:42,492
You really gotta have a--
1756
01:33:42,576 --> 01:33:45,829
As an actor, you really gotta have a great
imagination to make these scenes work.
1757
01:33:56,006 --> 01:33:57,841
Colleen crushes in this movie.
1758
01:33:57,924 --> 01:33:59,301
Yeah. Everybody's just so great.
1759
01:33:59,384 --> 01:34:01,428
God, we really could do this forever
if they'd let us.
1760
01:34:02,095 --> 01:34:03,388
Love this.
1761
01:34:03,472 --> 01:34:05,015
'Cause you just know
the characters so well.
1762
01:34:05,098 --> 01:34:07,309
Only Knuckles would say it this way,
only Sonic would say this way,
1763
01:34:07,392 --> 01:34:09,686
only Tails say this way,
and only Shadow would say it that way.
1764
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:11,730
I remember when I did Ninja Turtles,
that was a huge thing.
1765
01:34:11,813 --> 01:34:14,608
Leo only talks like this, Raph only talks
like this, you know what I mean?
1766
01:34:14,691 --> 01:34:16,485
Well, it's like you set up some rules
1767
01:34:16,568 --> 01:34:20,947
and then you find ways to just
throw interesting stuff at them
1768
01:34:21,031 --> 01:34:23,867
and tell interesting stories.
1769
01:34:43,220 --> 01:34:44,888
Hopefully,
1770
01:34:44,971 --> 01:34:50,227
some fans and audience members
will see this "Vaya con Dios" thing
1771
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:52,604
and know it's a Point Break reference.
1772
01:34:53,397 --> 01:34:55,357
- End of Point Break. Remember?
- I didn't know that.
1773
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,527
When he was-- Keanu says it to Bhodi.
1774
01:34:58,610 --> 01:34:59,903
- Yes!
- To Patrick Swayze.
1775
01:34:59,986 --> 01:35:01,655
I thought it was a telenovela thing.
1776
01:35:01,738 --> 01:35:04,074
Yeah, it's the last thing he says to him,
"Vaya con Dios."
1777
01:35:04,157 --> 01:35:06,827
I love that. That's so good.
1778
01:35:07,619 --> 01:35:08,703
I didn't get that.
1779
01:35:13,792 --> 01:35:15,335
God, I love my little blue guy.
1780
01:35:15,419 --> 01:35:16,628
Yeah.
1781
01:35:16,711 --> 01:35:18,088
What is that doing, technically?
1782
01:35:18,171 --> 01:35:21,091
So, his bracelets,
they're kinda like power inhibitors.
1783
01:35:21,174 --> 01:35:22,300
And so, when he takes them off,
1784
01:35:22,384 --> 01:35:25,303
basically it means
he can use every ounce of his power.
1785
01:35:25,387 --> 01:35:28,640
Again, not something you wanna
take screen time to explain,
1786
01:35:28,723 --> 01:35:30,767
but it'll mean something to the fans.
1787
01:35:30,851 --> 01:35:33,186
Or you ask the question
after you see the movie.
1788
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:35,522
Like, "What did that mean?"
And you can find the answers.
1789
01:35:35,605 --> 01:35:38,358
But also, for him, it's like,
you know, almost being like,
1790
01:35:38,442 --> 01:35:41,653
"I need every ounce that I can get
for this." You know what I mean?
1791
01:35:41,736 --> 01:35:44,531
- Exactly. He's going full power.
- Exactly.
1792
01:35:45,198 --> 01:35:46,950
- Like, I'm...
- Yeah.
1793
01:35:49,828 --> 01:35:54,124
Technically, could technically
be Jim's last scene, this.
1794
01:35:54,207 --> 01:35:56,293
When filming it,
did it feel like that, or no?
1795
01:35:57,377 --> 01:35:58,879
You certainly wanna approach it that way.
1796
01:35:58,962 --> 01:36:01,339
- You don't want to kneecap it--
- Look how cool it is.
1797
01:36:01,423 --> 01:36:02,716
Yeah. This is--
1798
01:36:07,387 --> 01:36:08,763
Our visual effects vendor,
1799
01:36:08,847 --> 01:36:12,434
a studio called Fin,
did really great work on this sequence,
1800
01:36:12,517 --> 01:36:15,312
and helping us design the look
of the energy reactor.
1801
01:36:15,395 --> 01:36:18,398
But here we go. This is it.
The big goodbye.
1802
01:36:19,232 --> 01:36:22,402
I mean, what they've done, what Lee
and Jim have done with these characters
1803
01:36:22,486 --> 01:36:25,113
in the last three films,
they just deserve the best.
1804
01:36:25,197 --> 01:36:28,492
They just deserved
a great emotional send-off.
1805
01:36:28,575 --> 01:36:33,663
And I can't think
of a more appropriate one.
1806
01:36:35,624 --> 01:36:36,875
"A syco-friend."
1807
01:36:42,339 --> 01:36:45,258
By the way, you should say the idea
of this livecast--
1808
01:36:45,342 --> 01:36:48,595
There was earlier versions of the movie
where he was livecasting quite a bit.
1809
01:36:48,678 --> 01:36:50,931
- It's true.
- But this works totally by itself.
1810
01:36:51,014 --> 01:36:55,435
Yeah, of course. I mean, everyone's
streaming in one shape or another, so...
1811
01:36:55,519 --> 01:36:59,564
But I think it worked perfect here,
but people wouldn't know that
1812
01:36:59,648 --> 01:37:02,275
there were a couple scenes
where he was livecasting.
1813
01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:03,944
Exactly.
Where he was live streaming the mission.
1814
01:37:04,027 --> 01:37:05,529
The El Fuego Caliente or...
1815
01:37:06,363 --> 01:37:07,489
The Huevo Diablo.
1816
01:37:07,572 --> 01:37:08,573
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
1817
01:37:09,491 --> 01:37:10,492
All this stuff.
1818
01:37:11,409 --> 01:37:14,829
Again, Alyla Browne
just did an amazing job.
1819
01:37:16,456 --> 01:37:18,291
I love all that Shadow, Maria stuff.
1820
01:37:19,292 --> 01:37:21,002
- Yeah.
- This is gorgeous, man.
1821
01:37:21,086 --> 01:37:23,755
Just how to wrap up all these characters...
1822
01:37:23,838 --> 01:37:26,466
And them working as a team,
everybody having each other's back.
1823
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:31,346
Interweaving it all here and just letting
the music kinda just drive it all.
1824
01:37:31,429 --> 01:37:35,392
Tom, again,
Junkie just giving us a great score.
1825
01:37:40,647 --> 01:37:42,274
And that red suit.
1826
01:37:42,357 --> 01:37:43,358
Fantastic.
1827
01:37:45,569 --> 01:37:46,570
Eggman.
1828
01:37:49,739 --> 01:37:52,492
How many different versions
of what he said last was there?
1829
01:37:53,410 --> 01:37:54,953
There weren't that many.
1830
01:37:55,036 --> 01:37:59,165
Sometimes when it just feels right,
it just kinda feels right.
1831
01:38:02,419 --> 01:38:03,878
Superman reference?
1832
01:38:05,046 --> 01:38:06,631
James Gunn reference?
1833
01:38:12,512 --> 01:38:14,889
It's always important that
we end these Sonic movies
1834
01:38:14,973 --> 01:38:16,975
with the characters looking
absolutely filthy.
1835
01:38:17,058 --> 01:38:20,186
Like they've been through a lot. Oh, yeah.
1836
01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:22,105
Sonic got off a little lighter this time.
1837
01:38:22,188 --> 01:38:26,735
I feel like in the last movie
he was really, really beat up.
1838
01:38:26,818 --> 01:38:29,362
But it's good. They've been through a lot.
1839
01:38:29,446 --> 01:38:30,697
So, technically, Jeff,
1840
01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:34,326
that is the last scene for Ivo Robotnik
and Gerald Robotnik, technically.
1841
01:38:34,409 --> 01:38:36,786
In the context of this film, yes.
1842
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:38,830
Okay. Could they come back?
1843
01:38:40,081 --> 01:38:41,625
- Who knows?
- Who knows?
1844
01:38:41,708 --> 01:38:43,877
Only time will tell the future...
1845
01:38:45,837 --> 01:38:47,756
of our little movie-verse.
1846
01:38:48,673 --> 01:38:49,674
I love this too.
1847
01:38:49,758 --> 01:38:53,511
This is just a nice little nod that Sonic
and Knuckles didn't exactly part
1848
01:38:53,595 --> 01:38:54,929
on the best terms, but--
1849
01:38:58,058 --> 01:38:59,809
But now they're whole again.
1850
01:38:59,893 --> 01:39:02,437
But also, moving forward,
they are called Team Sonic, right?
1851
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,022
"How about just 'team'?"
1852
01:39:04,564 --> 01:39:08,610
This could also be Lee's--
Stone's origin story to become a big bad.
1853
01:39:08,693 --> 01:39:10,487
I know. Yeah, there's all kinds of ways.
1854
01:39:10,570 --> 01:39:11,946
Lot of fun things we could do.
1855
01:39:12,030 --> 01:39:13,948
I'm really happy for Lee
that he got these moments.
1856
01:39:14,032 --> 01:39:16,034
- They're really beautiful moments.
- So well-deserved.
1857
01:39:16,117 --> 01:39:21,247
I mean, our original cast-- I mean,
everyone's just been such a huge part.
1858
01:39:21,331 --> 01:39:22,749
- This is a great beat too.
- Yeah.
1859
01:39:25,794 --> 01:39:26,795
That's new, too.
1860
01:39:26,878 --> 01:39:28,505
Yeah, and as--
1861
01:39:28,588 --> 01:39:30,715
For whatever reason, the last set shots,
1862
01:39:30,799 --> 01:39:32,884
the visual effect shots
in the movies end up being food.
1863
01:39:32,967 --> 01:39:36,846
It was the chili dog falling from space
and hitting Knuckles on Sonic 2.
1864
01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:38,556
- Yes.
- Remember when he called it down?
1865
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:40,767
That was one of the last shots delivered,
1866
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:45,772
and this s'mores shot,
I think, probably was the final shot.
1867
01:39:45,855 --> 01:39:49,651
Also, a Jeff Fowler specific is
if your CG characters--
1868
01:39:49,734 --> 01:39:51,361
- There you go. You left one in.
- One more.
1869
01:39:51,444 --> 01:39:54,406
If your CG characters have been through
some stuff, you dirty 'em up.
1870
01:39:54,489 --> 01:39:57,659
If your human characters have been through
some stuff, you put 'em in a sling.
1871
01:39:57,742 --> 01:40:00,036
That's right. Multiple slings.
1872
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:02,163
- Walters has a sling. It's--
- Exactly.
1873
01:40:02,247 --> 01:40:04,541
Yeah. It's a director trademark.
1874
01:40:06,251 --> 01:40:08,545
- All right.
- I haven't seen the new tag, by the way.
1875
01:40:08,628 --> 01:40:10,630
- Good.
- It's changed a couple times.
1876
01:40:10,714 --> 01:40:12,215
I'm excited for you to see it.
1877
01:40:16,928 --> 01:40:20,598
So, of course,
Sonic's not gonna let his seeming defeat
1878
01:40:20,682 --> 01:40:25,478
at the beginning of the movie with
the race go unchallenged or unresolved.
1879
01:40:25,562 --> 01:40:26,771
And so, yeah.
1880
01:40:26,855 --> 01:40:28,857
Felt like a fun way
to get 'em back together
1881
01:40:28,940 --> 01:40:31,568
and have 'em race off into the sunset.
1882
01:40:31,651 --> 01:40:32,652
I love it!
1883
01:40:34,362 --> 01:40:35,405
Well done, man.
1884
01:40:35,488 --> 01:40:38,199
Thanks, brother. These are just--
1885
01:40:38,283 --> 01:40:39,492
I haven't seen the credits either.
1886
01:40:39,576 --> 01:40:41,202
- Yeah.
- Are these finals?
1887
01:40:41,286 --> 01:40:42,412
- They are.
- I love.
1888
01:40:42,495 --> 01:40:43,830
At least the ones that were...
1889
01:40:43,913 --> 01:40:47,834
When people see the DV--
or the digital copy, it will be.
1890
01:40:47,917 --> 01:40:50,170
- Yeah, Picturemill.
- Pat, Josh. All writers.
1891
01:40:50,253 --> 01:40:52,130
John incredible, incredible job.
1892
01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:54,924
- Yep. Neal Moritz, Toby Ascher.
- It's not easy to do these, man.
1893
01:40:55,008 --> 01:40:57,093
- Just incredible producers.
- Heroes.
1894
01:40:57,177 --> 01:40:58,720
Just the best to work with.
1895
01:40:59,846 --> 01:41:02,056
- All our friends in Sega. Yep.
- Sega.
1896
01:41:02,140 --> 01:41:03,391
We'll get to see them soon.
1897
01:41:03,475 --> 01:41:09,022
Tim Miller, my mentor at Blur Studio.
Tommy Gormley, a legend in the film world.
1898
01:41:09,105 --> 01:41:11,441
- So lucky to have all these people.
- What's this song?
1899
01:41:11,524 --> 01:41:12,817
- It's a new song. It's--
- Al!
1900
01:41:12,901 --> 01:41:15,862
Yeah, Ellie Baker, costume designer.
1901
01:41:15,945 --> 01:41:17,614
I dig it. Who's singing this?
1902
01:41:17,697 --> 01:41:18,823
This is Jelly Roll.
1903
01:41:19,741 --> 01:41:21,242
- Wow.
- Yep.
1904
01:41:21,326 --> 01:41:22,327
It's--
1905
01:41:23,411 --> 01:41:25,747
We always love to end on an original song.
1906
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:28,541
Is the animation style similar
to one of the--
1907
01:41:28,625 --> 01:41:32,545
Yes, it's kind of a nod
to those early Sonic 3D games.
1908
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:36,257
And just having a little--
We'd done this sort of-- the pixel--
1909
01:41:36,341 --> 01:41:40,762
sort of raster pixel art
on the last two credits,
1910
01:41:40,845 --> 01:41:41,846
on the last two movies.
1911
01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:44,516
But now once we hit Sonic Adventure,
Sonic Adventure 2,
1912
01:41:44,599 --> 01:41:46,267
the games became polygons,
1913
01:41:46,351 --> 01:41:50,188
and so we felt like our credits should
take the same route.
1914
01:41:50,730 --> 01:41:52,273
But, yeah, really fun. Just--
1915
01:41:53,817 --> 01:41:54,859
I dig it, man.
1916
01:41:55,527 --> 01:41:58,279
Yeah, no,
they always love getting to do this
1917
01:41:58,363 --> 01:42:04,911
and end the movie on some
just fun, colorful, exciting stuff.
1918
01:42:09,415 --> 01:42:11,292
Who did the end credits?
1919
01:42:11,376 --> 01:42:12,627
- Picturemill.
- Picturemill.
1920
01:42:12,710 --> 01:42:18,591
Yeah, they've done all our main on ends.
1921
01:42:18,675 --> 01:42:20,718
Always deliver great stuff.
1922
01:42:21,886 --> 01:42:24,097
Marza, another--
1923
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:25,515
- One more.
- Yeah. That's right.
1924
01:42:25,598 --> 01:42:27,517
Okay, so this I've only seen--
1925
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:33,773
- "Think I overshot it a bit."
- Yeah.
1926
01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:36,442
It's been pointed out to me,
1927
01:42:36,526 --> 01:42:39,112
there probably is no such thing
as a New York State Park, but...
1928
01:42:39,654 --> 01:42:41,531
It's a movie about a talking hedgehog.
1929
01:42:42,282 --> 01:42:43,658
All right, so a Metal Sonic?
1930
01:42:43,741 --> 01:42:45,577
- You know this guy.
- I do know him.
1931
01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:47,662
Who is he gonna be voiced by?
1932
01:42:47,745 --> 01:42:50,915
That's the best about it,
is he doesn't really talk.
1933
01:42:50,999 --> 01:42:53,126
Ever? I thought I would have to do him.
1934
01:42:54,085 --> 01:42:56,087
- That's an interesting idea.
- But then--
1935
01:42:58,756 --> 01:43:00,174
That's cool.
1936
01:43:06,556 --> 01:43:07,724
"You'd better not miss."
1937
01:43:07,807 --> 01:43:08,808
That's right.
1938
01:43:15,523 --> 01:43:18,026
It's always fun to see
the speculation from the fans
1939
01:43:18,109 --> 01:43:20,612
about who the new characters are gonna be.
1940
01:43:20,695 --> 01:43:22,280
We're definitely working our way
down the list.
1941
01:43:22,363 --> 01:43:26,409
So, the list of choices,
I think, there's probably...
1942
01:43:26,492 --> 01:43:28,870
Well, I also think
everybody's gonna think it's just this.
1943
01:43:28,953 --> 01:43:29,996
It's true.
1944
01:43:30,079 --> 01:43:32,457
So I don't think people are gonna see
this next part coming.
1945
01:43:32,540 --> 01:43:34,125
I didn't see it coming.
1946
01:43:34,792 --> 01:43:38,713
Cool, yeah, no, it's-- it's long overdue.
1947
01:43:38,796 --> 01:43:42,133
Time to get Amy into the mix.
1948
01:43:46,179 --> 01:43:47,180
Yeah, no.
1949
01:43:47,263 --> 01:43:48,598
People are gonna go crazy at that part.
1950
01:43:48,681 --> 01:43:49,682
Absolutely.
1951
01:43:51,309 --> 01:43:52,310
There she is.
1952
01:43:52,393 --> 01:43:54,395
Amy Rose, ladies and gentlemen.
1953
01:43:55,188 --> 01:43:57,065
Now we have five and half minutes to talk.
1954
01:43:59,317 --> 01:44:03,613
Amy Rose, by the way, not--
Who's gonna voice Amy Rose? Who knows?
1955
01:44:03,696 --> 01:44:07,533
That's right. We'll just have to wait
and see how things go.
1956
01:44:07,617 --> 01:44:08,618
Who knows?
1957
01:44:08,701 --> 01:44:11,079
Lots of, probably, great ideas out there.
1958
01:44:12,789 --> 01:44:13,998
How exciting is that...
1959
01:44:14,082 --> 01:44:16,376
So there have been different versions
of that, by the way.
1960
01:44:16,459 --> 01:44:17,627
That ending you went through--
1961
01:44:17,710 --> 01:44:21,005
I've seen a bunch of different versions
of that, and all of them were awesome,
1962
01:44:21,089 --> 01:44:23,299
no matter what the length was
for all of them.
1963
01:44:23,383 --> 01:44:25,802
- Yeah.
- They were all so cool.
1964
01:44:26,678 --> 01:44:29,847
I mean,
just knowing who we're introducing,
1965
01:44:29,931 --> 01:44:33,601
that's always step one, and then just,
you know, you don't wanna overdo it.
1966
01:44:33,685 --> 01:44:36,104
You wanna-- I mean, this felt like just
the right amount of action
1967
01:44:36,187 --> 01:44:37,772
and just to kind of
leave you wanting more,
1968
01:44:37,855 --> 01:44:40,858
and not to have it feel like we're
launching into a whole new story beat.
1969
01:44:40,942 --> 01:44:43,277
"Artistic Consultant, Jim Carrey."
How cool is that?
1970
01:44:43,361 --> 01:44:46,364
Yeah. Well-deserved. Well-deserved.
1971
01:44:46,447 --> 01:44:47,448
I love that.
1972
01:44:49,075 --> 01:44:52,078
Okay, so, with Amy at the end,
1973
01:44:52,161 --> 01:44:55,957
was the script always gonna end
with Metal and then Amy or no?
1974
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,001
- Yes.
- You always had that idea that, like...
1975
01:44:58,084 --> 01:45:00,586
Yeah, well, 'cause if you go back
to the games--
1976
01:45:00,670 --> 01:45:04,716
So, they were both introduced
simultaneously in Sonic CD, which was--
1977
01:45:04,799 --> 01:45:06,217
That's their origins.
1978
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:09,679
So, it just felt, again,
like honoring what fans know,
1979
01:45:09,762 --> 01:45:12,932
honoring the kinda timeline
of what's come from the games.
1980
01:45:13,016 --> 01:45:14,308
I mean, we jumped around a little bit,
1981
01:45:14,392 --> 01:45:17,437
'cause technically Sonic Adventure 2
came after Sonic CD,
1982
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:20,273
so Amy and Metal
should've been introduced before Shadow.
1983
01:45:20,356 --> 01:45:21,691
But, you know, it's--
1984
01:45:21,774 --> 01:45:25,862
I think people will afford us
a little creative license
1985
01:45:25,945 --> 01:45:28,322
- to mix it up a little bit.
- I think that'll be fine.
1986
01:45:28,406 --> 01:45:33,244
But, yeah. So, these are-- Those are--
will be two exciting new characters.
1987
01:45:33,953 --> 01:45:39,292
I was so excited by the idea of scenes
with Sonic and Amy,
1988
01:45:39,375 --> 01:45:42,462
because there haven't been
a lot of female voices with Sonic.
1989
01:45:42,545 --> 01:45:44,380
- Right.
- And I think the audiences want that also.
1990
01:45:44,464 --> 01:45:47,341
And also, Amy is such a badass character,
1991
01:45:47,425 --> 01:45:51,345
that to see a female voice and
a female character just kick so much butt.
1992
01:45:51,429 --> 01:45:52,889
It's what we're missing.
It's what we need.
1993
01:45:52,972 --> 01:45:55,224
I think it's--
That's why I'm, like, so excited to--
1994
01:45:55,308 --> 01:45:57,769
if we get a fourth, I'm so excited
1995
01:45:57,852 --> 01:46:01,355
to see what the writers do,
and what you do.
1996
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:06,486
But then, by the way, now you have five,
six CG characters.
1997
01:46:06,569 --> 01:46:08,863
- I know.
- So where does that world live?
1998
01:46:08,946 --> 01:46:10,782
It's always a good problem to have.
1999
01:46:10,865 --> 01:46:13,326
I can't wait to talk
to you about this when we're not--
2000
01:46:13,993 --> 01:46:18,539
But the thing about these endings,
and you ask me what am I doing now
2001
01:46:18,623 --> 01:46:20,541
that we've wrapped the film
and it's coming out?
2002
01:46:20,625 --> 01:46:23,920
It's like-- it's always been
the case with, like, Sonic 1
2003
01:46:24,003 --> 01:46:27,215
where Tails was the--
he was the teaser at the end.
2004
01:46:27,298 --> 01:46:29,550
And all I could think about
back then was like,
2005
01:46:29,634 --> 01:46:33,346
"Oh, my God. We made a whole Sonic movie
without a single Sonic and Tails scene."
2006
01:46:33,429 --> 01:46:36,182
And all you wanna do is start getting
those characters together
2007
01:46:36,265 --> 01:46:38,601
and writing those scenes
and seeing it come to life.
2008
01:46:38,684 --> 01:46:41,187
And then at the end of Sonic 2
it was Shadow, and it's just like,
2009
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:43,147
"Oh, my God. Let's go right now."
2010
01:46:43,231 --> 01:46:45,858
Like, you just wanna start,
like, telling that story
2011
01:46:45,942 --> 01:46:47,568
and writing those scenes.
2012
01:46:47,652 --> 01:46:52,448
And it's just the best aspect
of making these movies is that,
2013
01:46:52,532 --> 01:46:55,576
when you finish the movie
and you feel like you should just be like,
2014
01:46:55,660 --> 01:47:01,499
collapsing at the finish line, it's--
it couldn't be anymore-- any different.
2015
01:47:01,582 --> 01:47:03,876
It's actually--
This gust of wind comes in,
2016
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:08,714
and you just can't wait to just get back
out there and start doing more.
2017
01:47:08,798 --> 01:47:12,301
I think also, I'm always surprised by,
when we introduced Tails, it was like,
2018
01:47:12,385 --> 01:47:15,596
"Okay, now we're bringing, like--
I think we're bringing the fan-favorite."
2019
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:17,056
And then you introduce Knuckles, like,
2020
01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:19,142
"Wow, I guess this is actually probably
one of the fan"--
2021
01:47:19,225 --> 01:47:24,313
And then Shadow is just as big.
And Amy is just as big to people, too.
2022
01:47:24,397 --> 01:47:26,315
So, it's like, the idea that we have that,
2023
01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:30,111
and we probably still have a bunch
of characters that we could play with too.
2024
01:47:30,194 --> 01:47:33,114
- Whether it's small roles or big roles.
- My gosh. It's just--
2025
01:47:33,197 --> 01:47:37,869
It's just 30-- however many--
33 years of Sonic being around
2026
01:47:37,952 --> 01:47:41,080
and all the games
that have come out since then.
2027
01:47:41,581 --> 01:47:45,585
Yeah, I mean, it's just such
a deep bench of characters,
2028
01:47:45,668 --> 01:47:49,297
and they all bring their own,
you know, great elements.
2029
01:47:49,380 --> 01:47:51,048
So it's the best problem to have,
2030
01:47:51,132 --> 01:47:53,217
that you have so many characters
that fans care about
2031
01:47:53,301 --> 01:47:55,011
and wanna see on the big screen.
2032
01:47:55,094 --> 01:47:56,512
And we will--
2033
01:47:56,596 --> 01:47:59,140
We'll just keep giving it to 'em,
if we can.
2034
01:48:53,444 --> 01:48:58,115
My goodness. I hope we make these movies
till we're a thousand years old.
2035
01:48:58,658 --> 01:49:00,910
I hope we'll make these movies--
You know what I mean?
2036
01:49:00,993 --> 01:49:02,161
They're a blast. They really are.
2037
01:49:02,245 --> 01:49:03,371
And also to see them in theaters.
2038
01:49:03,454 --> 01:49:05,122
Anytime we're lucky enough
to see them in theaters--
2039
01:49:05,206 --> 01:49:07,500
I know people are getting this DVD
and hearing this now, but it's like,
2040
01:49:07,583 --> 01:49:14,340
the idea of being a part of a big,
Hollywood movie is a dream of mine.
2041
01:49:14,423 --> 01:49:17,260
I'm sure yours as well.
We're both little nerds that grew up.
2042
01:49:17,343 --> 01:49:21,180
Yeah. Livin' the dream,
to get to make movies like this
2043
01:49:21,264 --> 01:49:24,141
that celebrate everything that we loved
about movies when we were kids.
2044
01:49:24,225 --> 01:49:25,768
But not only the movies, also the games.
2045
01:49:25,851 --> 01:49:29,272
It's like, to get
to celebrate all the stuff we love.
2046
01:49:29,355 --> 01:49:31,107
- Love.
- And tell stories.
2047
01:49:31,190 --> 01:49:32,858
And put that back out into the world.
2048
01:49:32,942 --> 01:49:34,860
And also to have a real--
2049
01:49:34,944 --> 01:49:38,864
We helped a little bit with the idea
of making video games turn into films
2050
01:49:38,948 --> 01:49:39,949
and it be successful.
2051
01:49:40,032 --> 01:49:41,993
- Okay, you gotta explain this.
- All right, here we go.
2052
01:49:42,076 --> 01:49:45,246
We can't leave people thinking
that Shadow is gone for good, so...
2053
01:49:45,329 --> 01:49:47,206
You can't get Keanu Reeves
and then pretend it's over.
2054
01:49:47,290 --> 01:49:50,626
Definitely wanted to let fans know
that we weren't done with him just yet.
2055
01:49:50,710 --> 01:49:52,336
So, he'll be back for more.
2056
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,463
All right, great job, buddy.
2057
01:49:54,547 --> 01:49:55,756
- Well done, Jeff.
- Until next time.
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- See ya.
- Bye, guys.
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