1 00:00:07,530 --> 00:00:09,530 There are countless factors that can lead to your death. 2 00:00:09,570 --> 00:00:10,530 There are countless factors that can lead to your death. 3 00:00:10,570 --> 00:00:12,170 As Senior Coroner, 4 00:00:12,210 --> 00:00:14,210 I deal with nearly 4,500 fatalities a year. 5 00:00:14,250 --> 00:00:15,810 I deal with nearly 4,500 fatalities a year. 6 00:00:18,530 --> 00:00:20,530 NARRATOR: The coroner can make any enquiries necessary 7 00:00:20,570 --> 00:00:21,610 NARRATOR: The coroner can make any enquiries necessary 8 00:00:21,650 --> 00:00:22,690 to find a cause of death. 9 00:00:22,730 --> 00:00:24,730 Can you explain what you've brought and then take me through it, please? 10 00:00:24,770 --> 00:00:26,770 Can you explain what you've brought and then take me through it, please? 11 00:00:26,810 --> 00:00:27,250 Can you explain what you've brought and then take me through it, please? 12 00:00:27,290 --> 00:00:29,290 We need to be alert to the fact 13 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:31,330 that there could be something more sinister in this. 14 00:00:31,370 --> 00:00:31,610 that there could be something more sinister in this. 15 00:00:31,650 --> 00:00:33,650 With unprecedented access, 16 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:33,930 With unprecedented access, 17 00:00:33,970 --> 00:00:35,970 we follow the coroner's full investigation. 18 00:00:36,010 --> 00:00:36,570 we follow the coroner's full investigation. 19 00:00:36,610 --> 00:00:38,610 It does make you realise how fragile life is. 20 00:00:38,650 --> 00:00:39,570 It does make you realise how fragile life is. 21 00:00:39,610 --> 00:00:41,610 Let's start and just work our way up. 22 00:00:41,650 --> 00:00:42,010 Let's start and just work our way up. 23 00:00:42,050 --> 00:00:44,050 Forensic medicine is all about being very suspicious. 24 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:44,570 Forensic medicine is all about being very suspicious. 25 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:46,610 From the moment of arrival in the mortuary, 26 00:00:46,650 --> 00:00:47,290 From the moment of arrival in the mortuary, 27 00:00:47,330 --> 00:00:49,330 to the final conclusion of the inquest. 28 00:00:49,370 --> 00:00:51,250 to the final conclusion of the inquest. 29 00:00:51,290 --> 00:00:52,330 WOMAN:All rise. 30 00:00:52,370 --> 00:00:54,370 ADELEY:I'm sorry you're attending under these circumstances, 31 00:00:54,410 --> 00:00:55,010 ADELEY:I'm sorry you're attending under these circumstances, 32 00:00:55,050 --> 00:00:57,050 and I appreciate that the evidence that you'll hear today 33 00:00:57,090 --> 00:00:57,650 and I appreciate that the evidence that you'll hear today 34 00:00:57,690 --> 00:00:59,410 may be distressing. 35 00:00:59,450 --> 00:01:01,450 As a family, how do you face the person that killed your mum? 36 00:01:01,490 --> 00:01:02,930 As a family, how do you face the person that killed your mum? 37 00:01:02,970 --> 00:01:04,970 If you die here, if it's violent, unnatural 38 00:01:05,010 --> 00:01:06,570 If you die here, if it's violent, unnatural 39 00:01:06,610 --> 00:01:08,610 or of an unknown cause, it's my job to find out how. 40 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:10,250 or of an unknown cause, it's my job to find out how. 41 00:01:28,450 --> 00:01:30,050 PHONE RINGS 42 00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:03,730 In Southport, two pedestrians have died 43 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:05,130 In Southport, two pedestrians have died 44 00:02:05,170 --> 00:02:07,170 after being struck by a vehicle shortly after getting off a bus. 45 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:08,570 after being struck by a vehicle shortly after getting off a bus. 46 00:02:15,170 --> 00:02:17,170 Emergency services have identified them 47 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:17,490 Emergency services have identified them 48 00:02:17,530 --> 00:02:19,530 as friends Grace Foulds, who was 85 years old, 49 00:02:19,570 --> 00:02:21,170 as friends Grace Foulds, who was 85 years old, 50 00:02:21,210 --> 00:02:23,210 and Marie Cunningham, aged 79. 51 00:02:23,250 --> 00:02:24,170 and Marie Cunningham, aged 79. 52 00:02:33,250 --> 00:02:35,250 Excuse me, sir, have you got a moment? Yeah, sure. 53 00:02:35,290 --> 00:02:35,490 Excuse me, sir, have you got a moment? Yeah, sure. 54 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:39,130 I've been informed of a case involving two ladies, 55 00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:40,690 I've been informed of a case involving two ladies, 56 00:02:40,730 --> 00:02:42,730 been out shopping in town, come back, got off a bus, 57 00:02:42,770 --> 00:02:43,610 been out shopping in town, come back, got off a bus, 58 00:02:43,650 --> 00:02:45,650 crossing the road, and they've been struck by a vehicle. 59 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:46,890 crossing the road, and they've been struck by a vehicle. 60 00:02:46,930 --> 00:02:48,930 Sadly, both ladies have died of their injuries in hospital. OK. 61 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:50,410 Sadly, both ladies have died of their injuries in hospital. OK. 62 00:02:50,450 --> 00:02:52,450 Can we get hold of the relevant police file, please? 63 00:02:52,490 --> 00:02:54,290 Can we get hold of the relevant police file, please? 64 00:02:54,330 --> 00:02:55,490 We'll have a look at it 65 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:57,530 and see what information they've got regarding the collision. 66 00:02:57,570 --> 00:02:58,730 and see what information they've got regarding the collision. 67 00:02:58,770 --> 00:03:00,330 Yes, sir. I'll pick it up from there. 68 00:03:00,370 --> 00:03:01,410 OK. Thanks a lot. 69 00:03:03,210 --> 00:03:05,210 Lancashire Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 70 00:03:05,250 --> 00:03:06,770 Lancashire Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 71 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:08,810 will want to find out whether the two women were easily visible 72 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:10,250 will want to find out whether the two women were easily visible 73 00:03:10,290 --> 00:03:11,490 as they crossed the road 74 00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:13,530 and what the actions of the driver were. 75 00:03:13,570 --> 00:03:14,730 and what the actions of the driver were. 76 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:16,770 What may initially present as a simple collision 77 00:03:16,810 --> 00:03:17,810 What may initially present as a simple collision 78 00:03:17,850 --> 00:03:19,850 could have hidden factors at play. 79 00:03:19,890 --> 00:03:20,050 could have hidden factors at play. 80 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:23,250 Road traffic collisions are a common death 81 00:03:23,290 --> 00:03:24,930 Road traffic collisions are a common death 82 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:26,410 that coroners investigate. 83 00:03:26,450 --> 00:03:28,490 You've got the human factors. 84 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:30,530 You can have a driver who may not be paying attention. 85 00:03:30,570 --> 00:03:31,410 You can have a driver who may not be paying attention. 86 00:03:31,450 --> 00:03:33,130 They may be using a mobile phone. 87 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:35,170 There may be other problems that contribute 88 00:03:35,210 --> 00:03:36,050 There may be other problems that contribute 89 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:37,610 from their point of view. 90 00:03:37,650 --> 00:03:39,650 You've equally got, what was the pedestrian doing? 91 00:03:39,690 --> 00:03:39,970 You've equally got, what was the pedestrian doing? 92 00:03:40,010 --> 00:03:42,010 because some pedestrians will cause their own collision 93 00:03:42,050 --> 00:03:44,050 because some pedestrians will cause their own collision 94 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:44,370 because some pedestrians will cause their own collision 95 00:03:44,410 --> 00:03:46,410 by walking out into the road without looking. 96 00:03:46,450 --> 00:03:46,730 by walking out into the road without looking. 97 00:03:46,770 --> 00:03:48,770 So there are all these factors that need to be investigated. 98 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:49,690 So there are all these factors that need to be investigated. 99 00:04:08,930 --> 00:04:10,930 Marie Cunningham's sons, Steve and Terry, 100 00:04:10,970 --> 00:04:12,410 Marie Cunningham's sons, Steve and Terry, 101 00:04:12,450 --> 00:04:14,450 are visiting the site of the collision 102 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:14,890 are visiting the site of the collision 103 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:16,850 to try to understand the circumstances 104 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:18,370 of their mum's death. 105 00:04:20,450 --> 00:04:22,450 {\an8}So, we're on Lulworth Road here. This is the scene of the crash. 106 00:04:22,490 --> 00:04:24,050 {\an8}So, we're on Lulworth Road here. This is the scene of the crash. 107 00:04:25,970 --> 00:04:27,970 Mum and Grace would have got off on... at that bus stop... 108 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:28,850 Mum and Grace would have got off on... at that bus stop... 109 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:30,890 Yeah. ..on the right-hand side. 110 00:04:30,930 --> 00:04:31,170 Yeah. ..on the right-hand side. 111 00:04:31,210 --> 00:04:33,130 Would've crossed over the road. 112 00:04:35,770 --> 00:04:37,770 Mum lived just over the other side of the road, in the flats there. 113 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:39,490 Mum lived just over the other side of the road, in the flats there. 114 00:04:39,530 --> 00:04:41,530 Grace lived just behind you, in the flats. 115 00:04:41,570 --> 00:04:41,970 Grace lived just behind you, in the flats. 116 00:04:42,010 --> 00:04:43,770 She was walking her across the road 117 00:04:43,810 --> 00:04:45,810 so she could get home safely, 118 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:46,090 so she could get home safely, 119 00:04:46,130 --> 00:04:47,970 before heading back across this road herself. 120 00:04:50,410 --> 00:04:52,410 You know, she was quite comfortable at crossing roads. 121 00:04:52,450 --> 00:04:52,730 You know, she was quite comfortable at crossing roads. 122 00:04:52,770 --> 00:04:54,770 She was a very fit, agile 79-year-old. 123 00:04:54,810 --> 00:04:56,810 She was a very fit, agile 79-year-old. 124 00:04:56,850 --> 00:04:57,290 She was a very fit, agile 79-year-old. 125 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:59,330 So we are completely confused 126 00:04:59,370 --> 00:04:59,810 So we are completely confused 127 00:04:59,850 --> 00:05:01,850 as to why a car and a driver would hit two women 128 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:03,090 as to why a car and a driver would hit two women 129 00:05:03,130 --> 00:05:05,130 crossing a road of this size. 130 00:05:05,170 --> 00:05:05,370 crossing a road of this size. 131 00:05:05,410 --> 00:05:07,410 The driver must have saw them. 132 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:07,610 The driver must have saw them. 133 00:05:12,130 --> 00:05:14,130 The family have lost sleepless nights thinking about it, 134 00:05:14,170 --> 00:05:15,690 The family have lost sleepless nights thinking about it, 135 00:05:15,730 --> 00:05:17,730 because you can't... understand what has happened. 136 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:19,770 because you can't... understand what has happened. 137 00:05:19,810 --> 00:05:20,130 because you can't... understand what has happened. 138 00:05:20,170 --> 00:05:22,170 Thinking about how much of an impact did she have. 139 00:05:22,210 --> 00:05:23,490 Thinking about how much of an impact did she have. 140 00:05:23,530 --> 00:05:25,250 It feels actually surreal. 141 00:05:25,290 --> 00:05:27,290 Even walking down the other night, 142 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:27,810 Even walking down the other night, 143 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:29,850 it didn't feel like it was my legs walking down the road, 144 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:31,770 it didn't feel like it was my legs walking down the road, 145 00:05:31,810 --> 00:05:33,810 seeing an area where... your mum has died. 146 00:05:33,850 --> 00:05:35,850 seeing an area where... your mum has died. 147 00:05:35,890 --> 00:05:36,530 seeing an area where... your mum has died. 148 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:39,970 I don't think people understand that feeling. 149 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:40,850 I don't think people understand that feeling. 150 00:05:40,890 --> 00:05:42,770 When you come back here, 151 00:05:42,810 --> 00:05:44,810 all that happens when you close your eyes for the night 152 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:45,330 all that happens when you close your eyes for the night 153 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:47,290 is you visualise what happened. 154 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:51,290 No CCTV footage available. 155 00:05:51,330 --> 00:05:52,010 No CCTV footage available. 156 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:54,050 You just visualise, so your mind runs away with... 157 00:05:54,090 --> 00:05:55,770 You just visualise, so your mind runs away with... 158 00:05:58,370 --> 00:06:00,370 Yeah. What happened, yeah, absolutely. 159 00:06:00,410 --> 00:06:01,370 Yeah. What happened, yeah, absolutely. 160 00:06:01,410 --> 00:06:03,210 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 161 00:06:07,770 --> 00:06:09,770 There is something fundamentally wrong. 162 00:06:09,810 --> 00:06:10,090 There is something fundamentally wrong. 163 00:06:10,130 --> 00:06:12,130 You can feel it. We just don't know what that is. 164 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:13,690 You can feel it. We just don't know what that is. 165 00:06:13,730 --> 00:06:15,730 But there is a desire here as a family 166 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:16,090 But there is a desire here as a family 167 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:18,130 to find out what it is and get to the truth. 168 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:18,810 to find out what it is and get to the truth. 169 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:22,570 The Senior Coroner's investigation 170 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:23,450 The Senior Coroner's investigation 171 00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:25,490 will now want to hear from any witnesses 172 00:06:25,530 --> 00:06:25,770 will now want to hear from any witnesses 173 00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:27,410 who saw what happened on the day 174 00:06:27,450 --> 00:06:29,450 the two friends, Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, tragically died. 175 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:31,490 the two friends, Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, tragically died. 176 00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:32,970 the two friends, Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, tragically died. 177 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:35,010 I walked to the front of the car, 178 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:37,050 and I saw a lady who was on her back. 179 00:06:37,090 --> 00:06:38,690 and I saw a lady who was on her back. 180 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:40,730 And there was shopping sprawled all over the road, 181 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:41,010 And there was shopping sprawled all over the road, 182 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:43,050 and I now know this lady's called... 183 00:06:43,090 --> 00:06:44,050 and I now know this lady's called... 184 00:06:44,090 --> 00:06:45,490 Now I know she's called Grace. 185 00:06:55,750 --> 00:06:57,750 NARRATOR: Lancashire Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 186 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:58,870 NARRATOR: Lancashire Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 187 00:06:58,910 --> 00:07:00,910 is investigating the deaths of two women 188 00:07:00,950 --> 00:07:01,830 is investigating the deaths of two women 189 00:07:01,870 --> 00:07:03,870 killed in a road traffic collision - 190 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:04,110 killed in a road traffic collision - 191 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:06,150 Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds. 192 00:07:06,190 --> 00:07:07,110 Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds. 193 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:09,150 Grace is survived by a son, Victor, and her daughter, Caroline. 194 00:07:09,190 --> 00:07:11,190 Grace is survived by a son, Victor, and her daughter, Caroline. 195 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:11,750 Grace is survived by a son, Victor, and her daughter, Caroline. 196 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:15,830 So, Mum grew up in Malta. 197 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:19,070 She met my father in 1957, 198 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:20,830 She met my father in 1957, 199 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:22,870 and they fell in love straight away. 200 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:24,910 He was a British soldier, and he was stationed over in Malta. 201 00:07:24,950 --> 00:07:26,950 He was a British soldier, and he was stationed over in Malta. 202 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:27,270 He was a British soldier, and he was stationed over in Malta. 203 00:07:27,310 --> 00:07:29,310 My father's parents were from Southport, 204 00:07:29,350 --> 00:07:30,950 My father's parents were from Southport, 205 00:07:30,990 --> 00:07:32,990 so it seemed like the natural choice to settle in Southport. 206 00:07:33,030 --> 00:07:35,030 so it seemed like the natural choice to settle in Southport. 207 00:07:35,070 --> 00:07:35,350 so it seemed like the natural choice to settle in Southport. 208 00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:37,390 She became a great member of the community. 209 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:38,710 She became a great member of the community. 210 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:41,750 Everybody knew her... 211 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:43,430 MALTESE ACCENT: "Everybody loves me!" 212 00:07:43,470 --> 00:07:45,470 That was her accent, that's how she used to speak. 213 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:45,750 That was her accent, that's how she used to speak. 214 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:47,270 Religion meant a lot to her, 215 00:07:47,310 --> 00:07:49,310 and I think it helped her when she became a widow. 216 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:49,870 and I think it helped her when she became a widow. 217 00:07:49,910 --> 00:07:51,910 Mum was fiercely independent. 218 00:07:51,950 --> 00:07:52,150 Mum was fiercely independent. 219 00:07:52,190 --> 00:07:53,590 She had lots of friends. 220 00:07:53,630 --> 00:07:55,630 Her social life was just... better than mine. 221 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:56,910 Her social life was just... better than mine. 222 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:58,950 Although she did make time for her grandchildren. 223 00:07:58,990 --> 00:08:00,310 Although she did make time for her grandchildren. 224 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:02,350 She was a wonderful grandmother, Very, very important to her. 225 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:04,070 She was a wonderful grandmother, Very, very important to her. 226 00:08:10,470 --> 00:08:12,470 It was about half past five at night, 227 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:14,070 It was about half past five at night, 228 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:16,110 and my husband got a phone call from my brother, saying, 229 00:08:16,150 --> 00:08:18,150 and my husband got a phone call from my brother, saying, 230 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:19,230 and my husband got a phone call from my brother, saying, 231 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:21,270 "Mum's in hospital. Can you go and see what it is?" 232 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:23,230 "Mum's in hospital. Can you go and see what it is?" 233 00:08:23,270 --> 00:08:24,590 And we get into a room, 234 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:26,630 and my young sister-in-law's in there, 235 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:26,910 and my young sister-in-law's in there, 236 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:28,950 and she's in floods of tears. 237 00:08:28,990 --> 00:08:29,630 and she's in floods of tears. 238 00:08:29,670 --> 00:08:31,670 There's police there, so, you know, what's going on? 239 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:33,190 There's police there, so, you know, what's going on? 240 00:08:33,230 --> 00:08:34,870 My mother is dead. 241 00:08:34,910 --> 00:08:36,910 I had to go and formally identify her. 242 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:38,310 I had to go and formally identify her. 243 00:08:38,350 --> 00:08:40,350 She looked at peace. She looked restful. 244 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:41,550 She looked at peace. She looked restful. 245 00:08:41,590 --> 00:08:43,110 She was still warm. 246 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:49,230 SHE SIGHS 247 00:08:51,950 --> 00:08:53,550 So I tried to say goodbye. 248 00:08:55,670 --> 00:08:57,670 You try to keep happy... memories. 249 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:59,350 You try to keep happy... memories. 250 00:08:59,390 --> 00:09:01,390 It would have been easier to find my mum 251 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:02,750 It would have been easier to find my mum 252 00:09:02,790 --> 00:09:04,790 passed away in her chair, in her... home. 253 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:06,830 passed away in her chair, in her... home. 254 00:09:06,870 --> 00:09:07,270 passed away in her chair, in her... home. 255 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:09,310 Safe, sound. 256 00:09:09,350 --> 00:09:09,550 Safe, sound. 257 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:10,510 Not on a cold... 258 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:16,670 ..I don't know - dirty road, I suppose. 259 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:17,190 ..I don't know - dirty road, I suppose. 260 00:09:18,950 --> 00:09:20,950 I don't know, just... terrible. Yeah. 261 00:09:20,990 --> 00:09:21,830 I don't know, just... terrible. Yeah. 262 00:09:21,870 --> 00:09:23,510 Just terrible. 263 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:31,550 It's not gonna bring her back, you know, 264 00:09:31,590 --> 00:09:33,110 It's not gonna bring her back, you know, 265 00:09:33,150 --> 00:09:35,150 but it'd just be nice to know exactly what did happen. 266 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:36,630 but it'd just be nice to know exactly what did happen. 267 00:09:43,270 --> 00:09:45,270 In the investigation into the deaths 268 00:09:45,310 --> 00:09:45,550 In the investigation into the deaths 269 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:47,590 of Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 270 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:48,230 of Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 271 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:50,230 a witness has emerged who helped the women 272 00:09:50,270 --> 00:09:52,270 and spoke to the driver. 273 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:52,750 and spoke to the driver. 274 00:09:52,790 --> 00:09:54,790 {\an8}I've been a nurse for 44 years, 275 00:09:54,830 --> 00:09:55,390 {\an8}I've been a nurse for 44 years, 276 00:09:55,430 --> 00:09:57,430 mainly in the community in Southport. 277 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:57,990 mainly in the community in Southport. 278 00:10:00,550 --> 00:10:02,550 There's a lady that we go to just off Lulworth Road. 279 00:10:02,590 --> 00:10:03,590 There's a lady that we go to just off Lulworth Road. 280 00:10:03,630 --> 00:10:05,190 She was my last visit of the day. 281 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:08,310 When I saw on the left-hand side, erm... 282 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,350 When I saw on the left-hand side, erm... 283 00:10:10,390 --> 00:10:10,670 When I saw on the left-hand side, erm... 284 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:12,710 a car, a white car, with its hazard lights on, 285 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:14,750 a car, a white car, with its hazard lights on, 286 00:10:14,790 --> 00:10:15,070 a car, a white car, with its hazard lights on, 287 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:17,110 and a gentleman by the side of it, waving his arms, 288 00:10:17,150 --> 00:10:17,590 and a gentleman by the side of it, waving his arms, 289 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:19,630 I just said, "Are you all right?" 290 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:20,070 I just said, "Are you all right?" 291 00:10:20,110 --> 00:10:22,110 And he just said to me, exact words were, 292 00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:23,910 And he just said to me, exact words were, 293 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:25,950 "She just walked out in front of me." 294 00:10:25,990 --> 00:10:26,550 "She just walked out in front of me." 295 00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:28,590 {\an8}So, I walked to the front of the car, 296 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:28,910 {\an8}So, I walked to the front of the car, 297 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:30,950 {\an8}and I saw a lady who was on her back. 298 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:32,750 {\an8}and I saw a lady who was on her back. 299 00:10:32,790 --> 00:10:34,790 {\an8}And there was shopping sprawled all over the road, 300 00:10:34,830 --> 00:10:35,950 {\an8}And there was shopping sprawled all over the road, 301 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:37,990 and I now know this lady's called... I now I know she's called Grace. 302 00:10:38,030 --> 00:10:39,630 and I now know this lady's called... I now I know she's called Grace. 303 00:10:41,190 --> 00:10:42,510 She was motionless. 304 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:44,550 When you see somebody collapse, your training just kicks in, 305 00:10:44,590 --> 00:10:46,110 When you see somebody collapse, your training just kicks in, 306 00:10:46,150 --> 00:10:47,390 you know what to do. 307 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:49,430 But there was no response at the time, 308 00:10:49,470 --> 00:10:51,470 so I was very concerned about this lady's health. 309 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:52,350 so I was very concerned about this lady's health. 310 00:10:52,390 --> 00:10:54,390 I went to the back of the car, and there was another lady, 311 00:10:54,430 --> 00:10:55,070 I went to the back of the car, and there was another lady, 312 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:57,110 who was actually on her side and her head was on the kerb, 313 00:10:57,150 --> 00:10:58,230 who was actually on her side and her head was on the kerb, 314 00:10:58,270 --> 00:10:59,790 and I thought, "Gosh, two of them." 315 00:10:59,830 --> 00:11:01,830 The lady at the back of the car, who I now know is called Marie, 316 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,630 The lady at the back of the car, who I now know is called Marie, 317 00:11:03,670 --> 00:11:05,670 she seemed to be, erm... severely injured, 318 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:07,270 she seemed to be, erm... severely injured, 319 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:09,310 and also she had a severe head injury. 320 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:10,470 and also she had a severe head injury. 321 00:11:10,510 --> 00:11:12,510 I just sat talking to her, held her hand. 322 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:13,510 I just sat talking to her, held her hand. 323 00:11:13,550 --> 00:11:15,550 I realised that lady was conscious, 324 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:16,190 I realised that lady was conscious, 325 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:18,230 so I thought my priority was then Grace. 326 00:11:18,270 --> 00:11:18,990 so I thought my priority was then Grace. 327 00:11:20,630 --> 00:11:22,630 The emergency services came. They took over CPR. 328 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:23,910 The emergency services came. They took over CPR. 329 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:27,430 PARAMEDIC:Now, just... Yeah, try and hold it. 330 00:11:27,470 --> 00:11:27,910 PARAMEDIC:Now, just... Yeah, try and hold it. 331 00:11:27,950 --> 00:11:29,750 The end of it? Yeah. 332 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:31,110 SIRENS 333 00:11:31,150 --> 00:11:33,150 I wasn't hopeful that there was gonna be 334 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:33,870 I wasn't hopeful that there was gonna be 335 00:11:33,910 --> 00:11:35,910 a good outcome from this at all. 336 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:36,150 a good outcome from this at all. 337 00:11:36,190 --> 00:11:37,910 It looked very bleak. 338 00:11:37,950 --> 00:11:39,950 SIRENS 339 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:40,790 SIRENS 340 00:11:42,150 --> 00:11:44,150 Marie Cunningham was brought into Aintree Hospital's A&E, 341 00:11:44,190 --> 00:11:46,190 Marie Cunningham was brought into Aintree Hospital's A&E, 342 00:11:46,230 --> 00:11:46,470 Marie Cunningham was brought into Aintree Hospital's A&E, 343 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:48,510 where she was given a CT scan, 344 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:48,830 where she was given a CT scan, 345 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:50,870 but she died that same evening, only hours after the crash. 346 00:11:50,910 --> 00:11:52,910 but she died that same evening, only hours after the crash. 347 00:11:52,950 --> 00:11:53,230 but she died that same evening, only hours after the crash. 348 00:11:53,270 --> 00:11:55,270 Radiologist Dr Beardmore reviews the scan. 349 00:11:55,310 --> 00:11:56,950 Radiologist Dr Beardmore reviews the scan. 350 00:11:58,030 --> 00:11:59,990 So, this is a scan of Marie Cunningham, 351 00:12:00,030 --> 00:12:01,510 she's been brought into hospital, 352 00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:03,550 {\an8}and this is the initial scan that's been done, 353 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:03,950 {\an8}and this is the initial scan that's been done, 354 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:05,990 {\an8}to try and identify what injuries she's sustained. 355 00:12:06,030 --> 00:12:06,230 {\an8}to try and identify what injuries she's sustained. 356 00:12:07,230 --> 00:12:09,230 Looking at it from the top in the head, 357 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,270 you can see there's a skull fracture on the left side. 358 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:11,790 you can see there's a skull fracture on the left side. 359 00:12:11,830 --> 00:12:13,830 She's also got some haemorrhage or some blood 360 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:14,110 She's also got some haemorrhage or some blood 361 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:15,470 around the side of the brain, 362 00:12:15,510 --> 00:12:17,510 and also in the spaces around the brain. 363 00:12:17,550 --> 00:12:17,830 and also in the spaces around the brain. 364 00:12:17,870 --> 00:12:19,870 Working down, I suspect that she's also got a cervical spine fracture, 365 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:21,910 Working down, I suspect that she's also got a cervical spine fracture, 366 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:22,230 Working down, I suspect that she's also got a cervical spine fracture, 367 00:12:22,270 --> 00:12:24,270 and then the other injuries that she's sustained 368 00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:24,590 and then the other injuries that she's sustained 369 00:12:24,630 --> 00:12:26,470 is she's got multiple fractures of the ribs. 370 00:12:27,950 --> 00:12:29,990 Working down to the abdomen, 371 00:12:30,030 --> 00:12:32,030 there is a lot of blood in the pelvis, 372 00:12:32,070 --> 00:12:33,950 there is a lot of blood in the pelvis, 373 00:12:33,990 --> 00:12:35,990 and he's got multiple fractures through both sides of the pelvis. 374 00:12:36,030 --> 00:12:38,030 and he's got multiple fractures through both sides of the pelvis. 375 00:12:38,070 --> 00:12:38,350 and he's got multiple fractures through both sides of the pelvis. 376 00:12:38,390 --> 00:12:39,830 You know, if a car hits a pedestrian, 377 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:41,870 these are the types of injuries that we sometimes face, 378 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:42,750 these are the types of injuries that we sometimes face, 379 00:12:42,790 --> 00:12:44,790 and, you know, are usually significant, 380 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:46,070 and, you know, are usually significant, 381 00:12:46,110 --> 00:12:48,110 and sometimes life-threatening, as in this case. 382 00:12:48,150 --> 00:12:48,750 and sometimes life-threatening, as in this case. 383 00:12:56,870 --> 00:12:58,870 Marie Cunningham was the mother of four children, 384 00:12:58,910 --> 00:13:00,110 Marie Cunningham was the mother of four children, 385 00:13:00,150 --> 00:13:02,030 sons Steve and Terry, 386 00:13:02,070 --> 00:13:04,070 and daughters Lynn and Sue. 387 00:13:04,110 --> 00:13:04,350 and daughters Lynn and Sue. 388 00:13:06,070 --> 00:13:08,070 My mum and dad, they were hard-working people, weren't they? 389 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:08,750 My mum and dad, they were hard-working people, weren't they? 390 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:10,790 They wanted to better their life for us, didn't they? 391 00:13:10,830 --> 00:13:12,150 They wanted to better their life for us, didn't they? 392 00:13:12,190 --> 00:13:14,190 She grew up in Liverpool, 393 00:13:14,230 --> 00:13:15,430 She grew up in Liverpool, 394 00:13:15,470 --> 00:13:17,470 Scotland Road area, proper Scousers. TERRY:Oh, yeah. 395 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:18,350 Scotland Road area, proper Scousers. TERRY:Oh, yeah. 396 00:13:18,390 --> 00:13:20,390 She was the matriarch, wasn't she? 397 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:21,830 She was the matriarch, wasn't she? 398 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:23,830 She used to worry about everybody. Yeah. 399 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:25,870 Dad died 14 years ago. Mum was devastated. 400 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:27,670 Dad died 14 years ago. Mum was devastated. 401 00:13:27,710 --> 00:13:29,710 She was just broken-hearted. 402 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:29,990 She was just broken-hearted. 403 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:32,030 It took her a while, didn't it, to rebuild her life? 404 00:13:32,070 --> 00:13:33,190 It took her a while, didn't it, to rebuild her life? 405 00:13:33,230 --> 00:13:35,230 You know, with encouragement from everybody in the family, 406 00:13:35,270 --> 00:13:35,710 You know, with encouragement from everybody in the family, 407 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:37,750 she did, she pushed herself. 408 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:38,590 she did, she pushed herself. 409 00:13:38,630 --> 00:13:40,630 Mum was very independent, very busy, and very fit. 410 00:13:40,670 --> 00:13:42,670 Mum was very independent, very busy, and very fit. 411 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:43,310 Mum was very independent, very busy, and very fit. 412 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:45,350 Her calendar was chocker. All the time. 413 00:13:45,390 --> 00:13:45,830 Her calendar was chocker. All the time. 414 00:13:45,870 --> 00:13:47,870 My mum and Grace were really good friends. 415 00:13:47,910 --> 00:13:48,190 My mum and Grace were really good friends. 416 00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:50,230 They'd go to St Joseph's Church every Sunday. 417 00:13:50,270 --> 00:13:50,550 They'd go to St Joseph's Church every Sunday. 418 00:13:50,590 --> 00:13:52,590 Then they'd go and have a coffee and put the world to rights, 419 00:13:52,630 --> 00:13:54,550 Then they'd go and have a coffee and put the world to rights, 420 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:55,870 have a laugh, have a cry. 421 00:13:59,190 --> 00:14:01,190 What's happened? How can something like that happen? 422 00:14:01,230 --> 00:14:02,390 What's happened? How can something like that happen? 423 00:14:02,430 --> 00:14:04,470 Why do two people get killed 424 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:06,510 on a main road in Southport at half four? 425 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:08,550 How can it happen? How can that happen? 426 00:14:08,590 --> 00:14:10,350 How can it happen? How can that happen? 427 00:14:10,390 --> 00:14:12,390 Marie's son Terry went to investigate 428 00:14:12,430 --> 00:14:13,630 Marie's son Terry went to investigate 429 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:15,710 within hours of the crash. 430 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:17,590 I did pull up at the side of the road, 431 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:19,350 and the police were still outside. 432 00:14:19,390 --> 00:14:21,390 The bus shelter light was so bright... 433 00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:22,430 The bus shelter light was so bright... 434 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:24,470 Mm. ..and the post box. 435 00:14:24,510 --> 00:14:24,790 Mm. ..and the post box. 436 00:14:24,830 --> 00:14:26,830 I don't think I'll ever get that image... 437 00:14:26,870 --> 00:14:27,070 I don't think I'll ever get that image... 438 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:45,350 And then we got talking about who it was, 439 00:14:45,390 --> 00:14:46,950 And then we got talking about who it was, 440 00:14:46,990 --> 00:14:48,990 how much pity we felt for him, because as a driver, 441 00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:51,030 how much pity we felt for him, because as a driver, 442 00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:51,630 how much pity we felt for him, because as a driver, 443 00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:53,670 I couldn't even put myself in his shoes... 444 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:54,870 I couldn't even put myself in his shoes... 445 00:14:54,910 --> 00:14:56,910 No. ..to kill two people. 446 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:57,510 No. ..to kill two people. 447 00:14:58,990 --> 00:15:00,270 At the scene, 448 00:15:00,310 --> 00:15:02,310 witness Shirley was taken aback by the attitude of the driver. 449 00:15:02,350 --> 00:15:04,350 witness Shirley was taken aback by the attitude of the driver. 450 00:15:04,390 --> 00:15:04,910 witness Shirley was taken aback by the attitude of the driver. 451 00:15:04,950 --> 00:15:06,950 The driver didn't come to any of the ladies, 452 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:08,270 The driver didn't come to any of the ladies, 453 00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:10,310 which was a bit of a surprise. 454 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:10,630 which was a bit of a surprise. 455 00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:11,950 He was on his phone, 456 00:15:11,990 --> 00:15:13,990 and then he walked over the other side of the road. 457 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:15,350 and then he walked over the other side of the road. 458 00:15:15,390 --> 00:15:17,390 So, it was like, he didn't come out and say, 459 00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:17,710 So, it was like, he didn't come out and say, 460 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:19,750 "Is she all right? Is she all right?" 461 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:20,070 "Is she all right? Is she all right?" 462 00:15:20,110 --> 00:15:22,110 But I just presumed that was shock that can make you do strange things. 463 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:24,070 But I just presumed that was shock that can make you do strange things. 464 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:26,110 I think if it was me, I'd be hysterical, 465 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:26,750 I think if it was me, I'd be hysterical, 466 00:15:26,790 --> 00:15:28,790 and, yeah, be beside myself, but very calm, extremely calm. 467 00:15:28,830 --> 00:15:30,830 and, yeah, be beside myself, but very calm, extremely calm. 468 00:15:30,870 --> 00:15:31,310 and, yeah, be beside myself, but very calm, extremely calm. 469 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:37,630 RADIO CHATTER 470 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:37,990 RADIO CHATTER 471 00:15:38,030 --> 00:15:40,030 I came in and went in the bath and just couldn't stop crying. 472 00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:42,070 I came in and went in the bath and just couldn't stop crying. 473 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:42,910 I came in and went in the bath and just couldn't stop crying. 474 00:15:42,950 --> 00:15:44,950 It's something that I'll never, ever forget. 475 00:15:44,990 --> 00:15:45,270 It's something that I'll never, ever forget. 476 00:15:45,310 --> 00:15:47,310 I've thought about it for quite a while. 477 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:47,630 I've thought about it for quite a while. 478 00:15:47,670 --> 00:15:49,670 How did it happen? 479 00:15:49,710 --> 00:15:49,910 How did it happen? 480 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:51,830 Something went wrong that day. 481 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:56,590 I think a lot of people had their own speculation 482 00:15:56,630 --> 00:15:57,790 I think a lot of people had their own speculation 483 00:15:57,830 --> 00:15:59,830 of what must have happened. 484 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:01,870 I've been guilty of it myself, just surmising that... 485 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:03,910 I've been guilty of it myself, just surmising that... 486 00:16:03,950 --> 00:16:04,870 I've been guilty of it myself, just surmising that... 487 00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:06,910 They'd walked out. And they're doddery... 488 00:16:06,950 --> 00:16:08,310 They'd walked out. And they're doddery... 489 00:16:08,350 --> 00:16:10,110 Yeah. ..and they can't hear, 490 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:12,150 and they couldn't see, a car coming, and all that kind of stuff. 491 00:16:12,190 --> 00:16:12,710 and they couldn't see, a car coming, and all that kind of stuff. 492 00:16:12,750 --> 00:16:14,750 But then you're like, "No, you don't know my mum." Yeah. 493 00:16:14,790 --> 00:16:14,990 But then you're like, "No, you don't know my mum." Yeah. 494 00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:19,270 WHISPERS:I'll make you a brew. 495 00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:24,750 You'll get answers, hopefully. 496 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:26,350 You'll get them answers. 497 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:33,630 Merseyside Police, who attended the scene, 498 00:16:33,670 --> 00:16:34,710 Merseyside Police, who attended the scene, 499 00:16:34,750 --> 00:16:36,750 spoke to the driver of the vehicle involved in the collision. 500 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:37,870 spoke to the driver of the vehicle involved in the collision. 501 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:42,750 Mr Jones was approached by one of the witnesses 502 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:43,870 Mr Jones was approached by one of the witnesses 503 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:45,910 on the call to the emergency services 504 00:16:45,950 --> 00:16:46,230 on the call to the emergency services 505 00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:48,270 and asked what had happened. 506 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:48,870 and asked what had happened. 507 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:50,910 He believed they had stepped off the pavement to his near side, 508 00:16:50,950 --> 00:16:51,670 He believed they had stepped off the pavement to his near side, 509 00:16:51,710 --> 00:16:53,710 so from his left-hand side, leaving him with no time to react. 510 00:16:53,750 --> 00:16:55,070 so from his left-hand side, leaving him with no time to react. 511 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:05,150 It's a natural line of enquiry that you've got to cover 512 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:05,550 It's a natural line of enquiry that you've got to cover 513 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:07,590 as to whether the pedestrians that are in the carriageway 514 00:17:07,630 --> 00:17:08,590 as to whether the pedestrians that are in the carriageway 515 00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:10,630 have run into the road or walked into the road 516 00:17:10,670 --> 00:17:11,030 have run into the road or walked into the road 517 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:13,070 and have left the driver with little reaction time 518 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:13,710 and have left the driver with little reaction time 519 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:14,830 to take evasive action. 520 00:17:15,950 --> 00:17:17,950 The CCTV from the bus that they'd alighted from 521 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:18,270 The CCTV from the bus that they'd alighted from 522 00:17:18,310 --> 00:17:20,310 was able to show us that the ladies, despite their age 523 00:17:20,350 --> 00:17:21,350 was able to show us that the ladies, despite their age 524 00:17:21,390 --> 00:17:23,390 and the misconceptions that may be associated with that 525 00:17:23,430 --> 00:17:23,790 and the misconceptions that may be associated with that 526 00:17:23,830 --> 00:17:25,830 in terms of their mobility, there was no issue surrounding that. 527 00:17:25,870 --> 00:17:26,470 in terms of their mobility, there was no issue surrounding that. 528 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:28,510 Both were mobile ladies. 529 00:17:28,550 --> 00:17:29,390 Both were mobile ladies. 530 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:32,710 In terms of the footage of the collision itself, 531 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:33,150 In terms of the footage of the collision itself, 532 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:35,190 this comes from a property that overlooks Lulworth Road. 533 00:17:35,230 --> 00:17:37,230 this comes from a property that overlooks Lulworth Road. 534 00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:38,150 this comes from a property that overlooks Lulworth Road. 535 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:40,190 Now, admittedly that footage, it's really quite grainy. 536 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:42,230 Now, admittedly that footage, it's really quite grainy. 537 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:44,070 However, what we can see from that footage 538 00:17:44,110 --> 00:17:46,110 is that they cross fully over the opposing side of the road 539 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:47,510 is that they cross fully over the opposing side of the road 540 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:49,550 to which Mr Jones is travelling in. 541 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:49,830 to which Mr Jones is travelling in. 542 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:51,870 And then having crossed the centre white lines, 543 00:17:51,910 --> 00:17:52,150 And then having crossed the centre white lines, 544 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:53,990 get three quarters away 545 00:17:54,030 --> 00:17:56,030 across the side of the road that Mr Jones is travelling in, 546 00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:56,710 across the side of the road that Mr Jones is travelling in, 547 00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:58,230 when he strikes them 548 00:17:58,270 --> 00:18:00,270 and only brakes having impacted with both of them. 549 00:18:00,310 --> 00:18:02,310 and only brakes having impacted with both of them. 550 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:02,870 and only brakes having impacted with both of them. 551 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:05,910 From the footage that we can see, 552 00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:07,950 the headlights of Mr Jones's Audi illuminate both ladies 553 00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:09,990 the headlights of Mr Jones's Audi illuminate both ladies 554 00:18:10,030 --> 00:18:10,910 the headlights of Mr Jones's Audi illuminate both ladies 555 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:12,390 as they're crossing the road, 556 00:18:12,430 --> 00:18:14,430 raising that question of how and why he's not seen them. 557 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:15,990 raising that question of how and why he's not seen them. 558 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:21,310 So, the initial accounts that we had at the scene 559 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:21,950 So, the initial accounts that we had at the scene 560 00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:23,990 that Glyn Jones had provided to various witnesses 561 00:18:24,030 --> 00:18:24,470 that Glyn Jones had provided to various witnesses 562 00:18:24,510 --> 00:18:26,510 were that the ladies had stepped off the pavement 563 00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:26,990 were that the ladies had stepped off the pavement 564 00:18:27,030 --> 00:18:28,310 to his left-hand side 565 00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:30,350 and left him very little time to react. 566 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:30,750 and left him very little time to react. 567 00:18:30,790 --> 00:18:32,790 Whereas the CCTV footage that we've now gathered 568 00:18:32,830 --> 00:18:33,950 Whereas the CCTV footage that we've now gathered 569 00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:36,030 conclusively shows us 570 00:18:36,070 --> 00:18:38,070 that the ladies had actually travelled from his right-hand side. 571 00:18:38,110 --> 00:18:38,910 that the ladies had actually travelled from his right-hand side. 572 00:18:40,750 --> 00:18:42,750 And it's clear to me that Glyn Jones's account 573 00:18:42,790 --> 00:18:44,270 And it's clear to me that Glyn Jones's account 574 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:46,310 doesn't match up with the circumstances of the incident, 575 00:18:46,350 --> 00:18:48,150 doesn't match up with the circumstances of the incident, 576 00:18:48,190 --> 00:18:50,190 and therefore, he's been correctly been placed under investigation 577 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:50,990 and therefore, he's been correctly been placed under investigation 578 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:53,030 for that offence and needs to be interviewed about it. 579 00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:53,670 for that offence and needs to be interviewed about it. 580 00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:58,070 DISTANT SIRENS 581 00:18:58,110 --> 00:18:59,070 DISTANT SIRENS 582 00:19:04,550 --> 00:19:06,550 In Langho, Lancashire, emergency services attend the scene 583 00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:08,590 In Langho, Lancashire, emergency services attend the scene 584 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:08,910 In Langho, Lancashire, emergency services attend the scene 585 00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:10,950 of another collision between a vehicle and a pedestrian. 586 00:19:10,990 --> 00:19:12,870 of another collision between a vehicle and a pedestrian. 587 00:19:12,910 --> 00:19:14,910 The driver of the car is uninjured. 588 00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:15,550 The driver of the car is uninjured. 589 00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:24,430 But the pedestrian is in a very serious condition. 590 00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:25,190 But the pedestrian is in a very serious condition. 591 00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:33,830 Despite the best efforts of paramedics, 592 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:34,550 Despite the best efforts of paramedics, 593 00:19:34,590 --> 00:19:36,590 the pedestrian dies at the scene. 594 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:36,790 the pedestrian dies at the scene. 595 00:19:39,150 --> 00:19:40,790 Lancashire Police have contacted us. 596 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:42,830 A road traffic collision that's happened 597 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:43,150 A road traffic collision that's happened 598 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:45,190 on Whalley Road at Langho. OK. 599 00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:45,670 on Whalley Road at Langho. OK. 600 00:19:45,710 --> 00:19:47,710 Early indications are there's two people involved, 601 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:48,790 Early indications are there's two people involved, 602 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:50,830 {\an8}an 80-year-old pedestrian and an 80-year-old car driver. OK. 603 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:52,510 {\an8}an 80-year-old pedestrian and an 80-year-old car driver. OK. 604 00:19:52,550 --> 00:19:54,470 The pedestrian has been crossing the road 605 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:56,150 and has been struck by the car. 606 00:19:56,190 --> 00:19:58,190 Sadly, the pedestrian has died at the scene. 607 00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:59,270 Sadly, the pedestrian has died at the scene. 608 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:01,310 I assume we'll get a request for the police 609 00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:01,750 I assume we'll get a request for the police 610 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:03,470 for a Home Office postmortem, 611 00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:05,510 and subsequently, we'll get the police file? 612 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:06,230 and subsequently, we'll get the police file? 613 00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:08,110 I've no doubt, yes. 614 00:20:08,150 --> 00:20:10,150 I've been in initial consultation with Sergeant Helen Parkinson, 615 00:20:10,190 --> 00:20:11,710 I've been in initial consultation with Sergeant Helen Parkinson, 616 00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:13,510 the senior investigation officer. OK. 617 00:20:13,550 --> 00:20:15,310 Thank you. Thanks, Jason. 618 00:20:17,350 --> 00:20:19,390 The pedestrian in the collision 619 00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:21,430 has been identified as Peter Westwell, 620 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:22,470 has been identified as Peter Westwell, 621 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:24,510 a grandfather from Langho, Lancashire. 622 00:20:24,550 --> 00:20:24,990 a grandfather from Langho, Lancashire. 623 00:20:32,150 --> 00:20:34,150 {\an8}I've known Peter for over 20 years, the father of my neighbours. 624 00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:36,150 {\an8}I've known Peter for over 20 years, the father of my neighbours. 625 00:20:36,190 --> 00:20:38,190 Peter was a real gentleman. 626 00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:38,750 Peter was a real gentleman. 627 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:40,790 He was a lovely man, very active. 628 00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:41,030 He was a lovely man, very active. 629 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:43,030 He loved going out and walking. 630 00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:45,070 I'd often see Peter walking about in his red anorak, 631 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:46,750 I'd often see Peter walking about in his red anorak, 632 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:48,790 full of life and fit as a fiddle. 633 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:49,150 full of life and fit as a fiddle. 634 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:51,190 Very young for his age, very with it, 635 00:20:51,230 --> 00:20:53,230 Very young for his age, very with it, 636 00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:53,550 Very young for his age, very with it, 637 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:55,590 a sharp sense of humour, and yeah, a nice man. 638 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:57,590 a sharp sense of humour, and yeah, a nice man. 639 00:20:57,630 --> 00:20:59,150 Very much a family man, 640 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:01,190 and very, very proud of his grandchildren. 641 00:21:01,230 --> 00:21:01,910 and very, very proud of his grandchildren. 642 00:21:01,950 --> 00:21:03,670 Peter's friend Wendy remembers 643 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:05,710 that he'd previously had some health issues. 644 00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:06,990 that he'd previously had some health issues. 645 00:21:07,030 --> 00:21:09,030 If we can go back to lockdown, Peter had been really poorly. 646 00:21:09,070 --> 00:21:10,630 If we can go back to lockdown, Peter had been really poorly. 647 00:21:10,670 --> 00:21:12,670 And he'd actually had a bleed on his brain. 648 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:13,830 And he'd actually had a bleed on his brain. 649 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:15,870 And he'd been in hospital, and actually, he'd nearly died. 650 00:21:15,910 --> 00:21:16,910 And he'd been in hospital, and actually, he'd nearly died. 651 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:18,950 And I know he spent some time in recuperation 652 00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:20,150 And I know he spent some time in recuperation 653 00:21:20,190 --> 00:21:22,190 and in a rehabilitation centre before he could come home. 654 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:23,510 and in a rehabilitation centre before he could come home. 655 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:25,550 The family had to encourage Peter to stop driving. 656 00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:26,070 The family had to encourage Peter to stop driving. 657 00:21:26,110 --> 00:21:28,110 And it was really sad at the time, cos that was his independence. 658 00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:29,590 And it was really sad at the time, cos that was his independence. 659 00:21:29,630 --> 00:21:31,630 But he always followed the rules and always did what he was told. 660 00:21:31,670 --> 00:21:33,670 But he always followed the rules and always did what he was told. 661 00:21:33,710 --> 00:21:33,990 But he always followed the rules and always did what he was told. 662 00:21:34,030 --> 00:21:36,030 And that's why this case is so upsetting. 663 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:36,390 And that's why this case is so upsetting. 664 00:21:36,430 --> 00:21:37,870 That day of the tragedy, 665 00:21:37,910 --> 00:21:39,910 Peter was walking because he couldn't drive. 666 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:40,630 Peter was walking because he couldn't drive. 667 00:21:40,670 --> 00:21:42,670 Peter probably had years yet to live, 668 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:43,070 Peter probably had years yet to live, 669 00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:45,110 years to enjoy his grandchildren growing up, 670 00:21:45,150 --> 00:21:46,350 years to enjoy his grandchildren growing up, 671 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:48,390 and I think that's the saddest thing about the whole event. 672 00:21:48,430 --> 00:21:49,550 and I think that's the saddest thing about the whole event. 673 00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:55,750 So, we now appear to have two road traffic collisions 674 00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:57,470 So, we now appear to have two road traffic collisions 675 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:59,510 where you have an older driver who has not seen a pedestrian, 676 00:21:59,550 --> 00:22:01,390 where you have an older driver who has not seen a pedestrian, 677 00:22:01,430 --> 00:22:03,430 not braked before the collision, resulting in a fatality. 678 00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:04,830 not braked before the collision, resulting in a fatality. 679 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:06,870 And this begins to make you realise 680 00:22:06,910 --> 00:22:07,150 And this begins to make you realise 681 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:09,190 that there may be a wider issue here that needs looking into. 682 00:22:09,230 --> 00:22:10,390 that there may be a wider issue here that needs looking into. 683 00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:12,430 We will have to look at both the driver and the pedestrian 684 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:13,910 We will have to look at both the driver and the pedestrian 685 00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:15,950 to see what has gone on, 686 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:17,990 and whether or not there are health concerns, 687 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:18,310 and whether or not there are health concerns, 688 00:22:18,350 --> 00:22:20,350 or just an error of judgment that has occurred to cause this death. 689 00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:22,390 or just an error of judgment that has occurred to cause this death. 690 00:22:22,430 --> 00:22:22,750 or just an error of judgment that has occurred to cause this death. 691 00:22:41,895 --> 00:22:43,895 In the case of Peter Westwell, 692 00:22:43,935 --> 00:22:44,335 In the case of Peter Westwell, 693 00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:46,375 who was hit by a car while crossing the road, 694 00:22:46,415 --> 00:22:46,855 who was hit by a car while crossing the road, 695 00:22:46,895 --> 00:22:48,895 PC Abby McTomlinson was the first police officer 696 00:22:48,935 --> 00:22:50,255 PC Abby McTomlinson was the first police officer 697 00:22:50,295 --> 00:22:51,775 at the scene of the collision. 698 00:22:53,415 --> 00:22:54,895 So, I was on an early shift. 699 00:22:54,935 --> 00:22:56,935 The driving conditions on the day were dry, it was sunny. 700 00:22:56,975 --> 00:22:57,775 The driving conditions on the day were dry, it was sunny. 701 00:22:57,815 --> 00:22:59,455 We pulled up alongside the roadside 702 00:22:59,495 --> 00:23:01,495 and immediately seen an ambulance in the middle of the road, 703 00:23:01,535 --> 00:23:02,695 and immediately seen an ambulance in the middle of the road, 704 00:23:02,735 --> 00:23:04,735 a number of witnesses, vehicles. 705 00:23:04,775 --> 00:23:05,015 a number of witnesses, vehicles. 706 00:23:05,055 --> 00:23:07,055 We've seen the subject vehicle, which is Mr Pemberton's car. 707 00:23:07,095 --> 00:23:08,815 We've seen the subject vehicle, which is Mr Pemberton's car. 708 00:23:08,855 --> 00:23:10,535 He was the driver at the time, 709 00:23:10,575 --> 00:23:12,575 and then unfortunately, we've seen Mr Westwell laid out 710 00:23:12,615 --> 00:23:12,855 and then unfortunately, we've seen Mr Westwell laid out 711 00:23:12,895 --> 00:23:14,575 in the middle of the road 712 00:23:14,615 --> 00:23:16,615 receiving medical treatment from ambulance. 713 00:23:16,655 --> 00:23:16,855 receiving medical treatment from ambulance. 714 00:23:17,895 --> 00:23:19,895 We immediately went to speak to the driver who was involved. 715 00:23:19,935 --> 00:23:20,695 We immediately went to speak to the driver who was involved. 716 00:23:20,735 --> 00:23:22,735 He said that the pedestrian, Mr Westwell, 717 00:23:22,775 --> 00:23:24,775 He said that the pedestrian, Mr Westwell, 718 00:23:24,815 --> 00:23:25,095 He said that the pedestrian, Mr Westwell, 719 00:23:25,135 --> 00:23:26,695 had walked out in front of his vehicle, 720 00:23:26,735 --> 00:23:28,375 and that was at the point of contact. 721 00:23:35,975 --> 00:23:37,935 So, our initial interaction with Mr Pemberton 722 00:23:37,975 --> 00:23:39,975 was quite strange, quite bizarre. 723 00:23:40,015 --> 00:23:40,255 was quite strange, quite bizarre. 724 00:23:40,295 --> 00:23:42,295 He showed no sort of compassion for the victim 725 00:23:42,335 --> 00:23:44,215 He showed no sort of compassion for the victim 726 00:23:44,255 --> 00:23:46,255 who was laid out on the roadside. 727 00:23:46,295 --> 00:23:47,015 who was laid out on the roadside. 728 00:23:47,055 --> 00:23:49,055 Mr Pemberton's main concerns with us and main questions with us 729 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,095 Mr Pemberton's main concerns with us and main questions with us 730 00:23:51,135 --> 00:23:51,415 Mr Pemberton's main concerns with us and main questions with us 731 00:23:51,455 --> 00:23:53,455 was what was gonna happen with his car, would he get a new car? 732 00:23:53,495 --> 00:23:54,575 was what was gonna happen with his car, would he get a new car? 733 00:24:05,415 --> 00:24:07,415 So, Mr Westwell was pronounced deceased 734 00:24:07,455 --> 00:24:07,695 So, Mr Westwell was pronounced deceased 735 00:24:07,735 --> 00:24:09,735 at the roadside by ambulance, 736 00:24:09,775 --> 00:24:10,735 at the roadside by ambulance, 737 00:24:10,775 --> 00:24:12,775 which then would change the nature of the investigation. 738 00:24:12,815 --> 00:24:14,815 which then would change the nature of the investigation. 739 00:24:14,855 --> 00:24:15,055 which then would change the nature of the investigation. 740 00:24:26,295 --> 00:24:28,295 Dr Adeley has been made aware that the victim in this crash, 741 00:24:28,335 --> 00:24:30,295 Dr Adeley has been made aware that the victim in this crash, 742 00:24:30,335 --> 00:24:32,335 Peter Westwell, had some previous medical issues. 743 00:24:32,375 --> 00:24:33,895 Peter Westwell, had some previous medical issues. 744 00:24:33,935 --> 00:24:35,935 We have had a report that Peter Westwell has had 745 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:36,615 We have had a report that Peter Westwell has had 746 00:24:36,655 --> 00:24:38,655 {\an8}some form of haemorrhage on his brain. 747 00:24:38,695 --> 00:24:40,255 {\an8}some form of haemorrhage on his brain. 748 00:24:40,295 --> 00:24:42,295 {\an8}We don't know the extent of this or when it occurred, 749 00:24:42,335 --> 00:24:43,495 {\an8}We don't know the extent of this or when it occurred, 750 00:24:43,535 --> 00:24:45,535 but it is the sort of thing that may affect 751 00:24:45,575 --> 00:24:45,935 but it is the sort of thing that may affect 752 00:24:45,975 --> 00:24:47,615 your ability to function, 753 00:24:47,655 --> 00:24:49,655 your perception of hazards around you. 754 00:24:49,695 --> 00:24:50,495 your perception of hazards around you. 755 00:24:50,535 --> 00:24:52,455 So we will need to understand 756 00:24:52,495 --> 00:24:54,495 how this relates to the collision itself. 757 00:24:54,535 --> 00:24:55,855 how this relates to the collision itself. 758 00:24:55,895 --> 00:24:57,895 The pathologist, when they look at the brain, 759 00:24:57,935 --> 00:24:58,775 The pathologist, when they look at the brain, 760 00:24:58,815 --> 00:25:00,255 will be able to tell you 761 00:25:00,295 --> 00:25:02,295 whether that bleed was affecting Peter Westwell 762 00:25:02,335 --> 00:25:02,735 whether that bleed was affecting Peter Westwell 763 00:25:02,775 --> 00:25:04,775 at the time of the collision. 764 00:25:04,815 --> 00:25:04,975 at the time of the collision. 765 00:25:10,975 --> 00:25:12,975 Pathologist Richard Shepherd has performed 766 00:25:13,015 --> 00:25:14,015 Pathologist Richard Shepherd has performed 767 00:25:14,055 --> 00:25:16,055 more than 20,000 autopsies... 768 00:25:16,095 --> 00:25:16,375 more than 20,000 autopsies... 769 00:25:19,535 --> 00:25:21,535 ..and reviews Peter Westwell's postmortem. 770 00:25:21,575 --> 00:25:22,855 ..and reviews Peter Westwell's postmortem. 771 00:25:22,895 --> 00:25:24,735 Looking at the vehicle, 772 00:25:24,775 --> 00:25:26,775 we know that this was effectively a head-on collision. 773 00:25:26,815 --> 00:25:27,895 we know that this was effectively a head-on collision. 774 00:25:27,935 --> 00:25:29,855 The car hit the pedestrian 775 00:25:29,895 --> 00:25:31,895 as the pedestrian was standing, moving across the road. 776 00:25:31,935 --> 00:25:33,615 as the pedestrian was standing, moving across the road. 777 00:25:33,655 --> 00:25:35,655 Just looking at the bodywork of the car, 778 00:25:35,695 --> 00:25:36,055 Just looking at the bodywork of the car, 779 00:25:36,095 --> 00:25:38,095 we can see significant damage to the lower bumper, with cracks. 780 00:25:38,135 --> 00:25:40,135 we can see significant damage to the lower bumper, with cracks. 781 00:25:40,175 --> 00:25:40,895 we can see significant damage to the lower bumper, with cracks. 782 00:25:40,935 --> 00:25:42,935 But the major points of impact here 783 00:25:42,975 --> 00:25:43,495 But the major points of impact here 784 00:25:43,535 --> 00:25:45,335 are clearly with the bonnet of the car, 785 00:25:45,375 --> 00:25:47,375 which is crumpled back and folded in, 786 00:25:47,415 --> 00:25:48,695 which is crumpled back and folded in, 787 00:25:48,735 --> 00:25:50,335 and with the windscreen, 788 00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:52,375 which is glazed and damaged in two places. 789 00:25:52,415 --> 00:25:53,015 which is glazed and damaged in two places. 790 00:25:59,575 --> 00:26:01,575 Dr Richard Shepherd then moves on to look 791 00:26:01,615 --> 00:26:02,575 Dr Richard Shepherd then moves on to look 792 00:26:02,615 --> 00:26:04,615 at Peter Westwell's injuries. 793 00:26:04,655 --> 00:26:04,975 at Peter Westwell's injuries. 794 00:26:05,015 --> 00:26:07,015 The crucial findings in Peter's case 795 00:26:07,055 --> 00:26:07,615 The crucial findings in Peter's case 796 00:26:07,655 --> 00:26:09,655 are the damage that's been caused essentially to his chest, 797 00:26:09,695 --> 00:26:11,695 are the damage that's been caused essentially to his chest, 798 00:26:11,735 --> 00:26:11,975 are the damage that's been caused essentially to his chest, 799 00:26:12,015 --> 00:26:14,015 but also secondarily to his head. 800 00:26:14,055 --> 00:26:14,855 but also secondarily to his head. 801 00:26:14,895 --> 00:26:16,895 And what we found were extensive fracturing 802 00:26:16,935 --> 00:26:18,935 And what we found were extensive fracturing 803 00:26:18,975 --> 00:26:20,095 And what we found were extensive fracturing 804 00:26:20,135 --> 00:26:22,135 predominantly to the left side of his body. 805 00:26:22,175 --> 00:26:22,695 predominantly to the left side of his body. 806 00:26:22,735 --> 00:26:24,735 All of the ribs on the left side were fractured, 807 00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:25,495 All of the ribs on the left side were fractured, 808 00:26:25,535 --> 00:26:27,535 but more crucially was the damage to his spine. 809 00:26:27,575 --> 00:26:27,815 but more crucially was the damage to his spine. 810 00:26:27,855 --> 00:26:29,415 And what has happened, 811 00:26:29,455 --> 00:26:31,455 his spine has being tipped backwards by this blow, 812 00:26:31,495 --> 00:26:33,175 his spine has being tipped backwards by this blow, 813 00:26:33,215 --> 00:26:35,215 and when you tip someone backwards, that force can break the spine. 814 00:26:35,255 --> 00:26:37,255 and when you tip someone backwards, that force can break the spine. 815 00:26:37,295 --> 00:26:37,775 and when you tip someone backwards, that force can break the spine. 816 00:26:37,815 --> 00:26:39,815 Crucially, though, of course, in a sense, it's not just the bone. 817 00:26:39,855 --> 00:26:41,375 Crucially, though, of course, in a sense, it's not just the bone. 818 00:26:41,415 --> 00:26:43,415 It's the spinal cord that runs down the middle, 819 00:26:43,455 --> 00:26:44,335 It's the spinal cord that runs down the middle, 820 00:26:44,375 --> 00:26:46,375 and here you can see the yellow, with the spinal nerves coming out. 821 00:26:46,415 --> 00:26:47,495 and here you can see the yellow, with the spinal nerves coming out. 822 00:26:47,535 --> 00:26:49,535 It's that damage that causes the real problems. 823 00:26:49,575 --> 00:26:51,575 It's that damage that causes the real problems. 824 00:26:51,615 --> 00:26:51,895 It's that damage that causes the real problems. 825 00:26:51,935 --> 00:26:53,935 Just the blow causes all the nerves to stop working. 826 00:26:53,975 --> 00:26:55,495 Just the blow causes all the nerves to stop working. 827 00:26:55,535 --> 00:26:57,535 And of course, breathing, heart rate, 828 00:26:57,575 --> 00:26:58,495 And of course, breathing, heart rate, 829 00:26:58,535 --> 00:27:00,535 everything is controlled through that bit, 830 00:27:00,575 --> 00:27:01,295 everything is controlled through that bit, 831 00:27:01,335 --> 00:27:03,335 and this is why the spinal fractures were so important 832 00:27:03,375 --> 00:27:05,175 and this is why the spinal fractures were so important 833 00:27:05,215 --> 00:27:07,015 in the cause of Peter's death. 834 00:27:10,535 --> 00:27:12,535 Peter Westwell's friend Wendy was concerned 835 00:27:12,575 --> 00:27:13,855 Peter Westwell's friend Wendy was concerned 836 00:27:13,895 --> 00:27:15,895 that a previous brain injury may have affected him 837 00:27:15,935 --> 00:27:16,815 that a previous brain injury may have affected him 838 00:27:16,855 --> 00:27:18,255 on the day of the incident 839 00:27:18,295 --> 00:27:20,295 and could have contributed to his death. 840 00:27:20,335 --> 00:27:20,895 and could have contributed to his death. 841 00:27:20,935 --> 00:27:22,935 I served in the police for 30 years, and I served my last seven years 842 00:27:22,975 --> 00:27:24,975 I served in the police for 30 years, and I served my last seven years 843 00:27:25,015 --> 00:27:25,615 I served in the police for 30 years, and I served my last seven years 844 00:27:25,655 --> 00:27:27,655 as assistant chief constable with Lancashire. 845 00:27:27,695 --> 00:27:28,455 as assistant chief constable with Lancashire. 846 00:27:28,495 --> 00:27:30,495 In my experience, I know when you're investigating, 847 00:27:30,535 --> 00:27:31,655 In my experience, I know when you're investigating, 848 00:27:31,695 --> 00:27:33,695 whether it's a road traffic collision or a death, 849 00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:34,935 whether it's a road traffic collision or a death, 850 00:27:34,975 --> 00:27:36,695 a sudden death of someone, 851 00:27:36,735 --> 00:27:38,735 that you have to take all the circumstances into account, 852 00:27:38,775 --> 00:27:40,095 that you have to take all the circumstances into account, 853 00:27:40,135 --> 00:27:42,135 and I was concerned at the time 854 00:27:42,175 --> 00:27:42,655 and I was concerned at the time 855 00:27:42,695 --> 00:27:44,695 that maybe Peter's brain injury had contributed. 856 00:27:44,735 --> 00:27:46,135 that maybe Peter's brain injury had contributed. 857 00:27:46,175 --> 00:27:48,175 It needed to be ruled out. 858 00:27:48,215 --> 00:27:49,055 It needed to be ruled out. 859 00:27:49,095 --> 00:27:51,135 When we performed the examination, 860 00:27:51,175 --> 00:27:53,175 we saw that there had been a previous bleed 861 00:27:53,215 --> 00:27:54,055 we saw that there had been a previous bleed 862 00:27:54,095 --> 00:27:56,095 around the surface of the brain. 863 00:27:56,135 --> 00:27:56,375 around the surface of the brain. 864 00:27:56,415 --> 00:27:58,415 And we know that that was an old injury, 865 00:27:58,455 --> 00:27:59,655 And we know that that was an old injury, 866 00:27:59,695 --> 00:28:01,695 and it was nothing to do with the incident. 867 00:28:01,735 --> 00:28:02,135 and it was nothing to do with the incident. 868 00:28:02,175 --> 00:28:04,175 We don't expect this, from his past medical history, 869 00:28:04,215 --> 00:28:05,255 We don't expect this, from his past medical history, 870 00:28:05,295 --> 00:28:06,775 to have affected him, 871 00:28:06,815 --> 00:28:08,815 and there's nothing to suggest that it did so. 872 00:28:08,855 --> 00:28:10,135 and there's nothing to suggest that it did so. 873 00:28:10,175 --> 00:28:12,175 From the moment Peter was struck, 874 00:28:12,215 --> 00:28:12,775 From the moment Peter was struck, 875 00:28:12,815 --> 00:28:14,815 the injuries he received were non-survivable. 876 00:28:14,855 --> 00:28:16,015 the injuries he received were non-survivable. 877 00:28:21,055 --> 00:28:22,975 We know that through the investigation, 878 00:28:23,015 --> 00:28:25,015 it has been proven that Peter had done nothing wrong 879 00:28:25,055 --> 00:28:26,535 it has been proven that Peter had done nothing wrong 880 00:28:26,575 --> 00:28:28,015 in these circumstances. 881 00:28:31,335 --> 00:28:33,335 But now we need to understand, why on earth did that ever happen? 882 00:28:33,375 --> 00:28:35,375 But now we need to understand, why on earth did that ever happen? 883 00:28:35,415 --> 00:28:36,375 But now we need to understand, why on earth did that ever happen? 884 00:28:44,215 --> 00:28:46,215 The investigation into Peter Westwell's death 885 00:28:46,255 --> 00:28:47,215 The investigation into Peter Westwell's death 886 00:28:47,255 --> 00:28:49,255 begins to shift towards looking at whether the driver was at fault. 887 00:28:49,295 --> 00:28:50,695 begins to shift towards looking at whether the driver was at fault. 888 00:28:50,735 --> 00:28:52,735 Lancashire Police discover some concerning video evidence. 889 00:28:52,775 --> 00:28:54,775 Lancashire Police discover some concerning video evidence. 890 00:28:54,815 --> 00:28:55,415 Lancashire Police discover some concerning video evidence. 891 00:28:57,055 --> 00:28:59,055 {\an8}As part of the investigation, we did house-to-house CCTV trawl. 892 00:28:59,095 --> 00:29:00,335 {\an8}As part of the investigation, we did house-to-house CCTV trawl. 893 00:29:00,375 --> 00:29:02,375 The first clip that we come to 894 00:29:02,415 --> 00:29:02,775 The first clip that we come to 895 00:29:02,815 --> 00:29:04,815 shows Mr Westwell walking towards the collision site, 896 00:29:04,855 --> 00:29:06,695 shows Mr Westwell walking towards the collision site, 897 00:29:06,735 --> 00:29:08,735 walking along Whalley Road, walking absolutely fine. 898 00:29:08,775 --> 00:29:10,015 walking along Whalley Road, walking absolutely fine. 899 00:29:10,055 --> 00:29:12,055 He's very visible, yeah, his bright red jacket. 900 00:29:12,095 --> 00:29:12,375 He's very visible, yeah, his bright red jacket. 901 00:29:12,415 --> 00:29:14,415 The next footage is the Honda Jazz travelling along Whalley Road. 902 00:29:14,455 --> 00:29:16,215 The next footage is the Honda Jazz travelling along Whalley Road. 903 00:29:16,255 --> 00:29:18,255 You can see here straight away, see from the speed of it, 904 00:29:18,295 --> 00:29:19,815 You can see here straight away, see from the speed of it, 905 00:29:19,855 --> 00:29:21,855 it immediately looks a lot faster than all the other cars. 906 00:29:21,895 --> 00:29:22,855 it immediately looks a lot faster than all the other cars. 907 00:29:22,895 --> 00:29:24,895 Whalley Road is a 30-mile-an-hour limit, 908 00:29:24,935 --> 00:29:25,935 Whalley Road is a 30-mile-an-hour limit, 909 00:29:25,975 --> 00:29:27,975 and Mr Pemberton was travelling at 48 miles an hour. 910 00:29:28,015 --> 00:29:28,815 and Mr Pemberton was travelling at 48 miles an hour. 911 00:29:28,855 --> 00:29:30,855 Having established the driver was speeding, 912 00:29:30,895 --> 00:29:32,295 Having established the driver was speeding, 913 00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:34,335 the police also managed to obtain some footage 914 00:29:34,375 --> 00:29:35,415 the police also managed to obtain some footage 915 00:29:35,455 --> 00:29:37,175 from another driver on the road. 916 00:29:40,415 --> 00:29:42,415 Mr Westwell can quite clearly be seen already. 917 00:29:42,455 --> 00:29:42,935 Mr Westwell can quite clearly be seen already. 918 00:29:42,975 --> 00:29:44,975 He's started to cross the road, plenty of time. 919 00:29:45,015 --> 00:29:45,295 He's started to cross the road, plenty of time. 920 00:29:45,335 --> 00:29:47,335 He's not stumbling, and then unfortunately, 921 00:29:47,375 --> 00:29:47,655 He's not stumbling, and then unfortunately, 922 00:29:47,695 --> 00:29:49,695 you can just see the other car coming at pace. 923 00:29:49,735 --> 00:29:50,015 you can just see the other car coming at pace. 924 00:29:50,055 --> 00:29:52,055 You can see inevitably what's gonna happen, unfortunately. 925 00:29:52,095 --> 00:29:52,695 You can see inevitably what's gonna happen, unfortunately. 926 00:29:52,735 --> 00:29:54,735 The other car just never slowed down. 927 00:29:54,775 --> 00:29:55,015 The other car just never slowed down. 928 00:29:55,055 --> 00:29:56,535 There's no braking. 929 00:29:56,575 --> 00:29:58,575 It was quite clear that the error had fallen 930 00:29:58,615 --> 00:29:58,855 It was quite clear that the error had fallen 931 00:29:58,895 --> 00:30:00,815 on the part of the Honda driver. 932 00:30:07,615 --> 00:30:09,615 Helen Parkinson then directs her team to make further enquiries. 933 00:30:09,655 --> 00:30:11,655 Helen Parkinson then directs her team to make further enquiries. 934 00:30:11,695 --> 00:30:12,695 Helen Parkinson then directs her team to make further enquiries. 935 00:30:12,735 --> 00:30:14,735 Following a fatal collision, or any serious collision, 936 00:30:14,775 --> 00:30:16,055 Following a fatal collision, or any serious collision, 937 00:30:16,095 --> 00:30:18,095 we will do four preliminary tests. 938 00:30:18,135 --> 00:30:18,935 we will do four preliminary tests. 939 00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:20,855 The first thing we did was do the breath test, 940 00:30:20,895 --> 00:30:21,975 and that came back zero. 941 00:30:22,015 --> 00:30:23,695 That was negative. 942 00:30:23,735 --> 00:30:25,735 We then conduct a drug wipe, and that was negative. 943 00:30:25,775 --> 00:30:26,695 We then conduct a drug wipe, and that was negative. 944 00:30:26,735 --> 00:30:28,735 A fit test and an eyesight test. 945 00:30:28,775 --> 00:30:29,455 A fit test and an eyesight test. 946 00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,495 The eyesight test's legal requirements are 947 00:30:31,535 --> 00:30:32,815 The eyesight test's legal requirements are 948 00:30:32,855 --> 00:30:34,855 to be able to read a numberplate from 20 meters away. 949 00:30:34,895 --> 00:30:35,455 to be able to read a numberplate from 20 meters away. 950 00:30:35,495 --> 00:30:37,495 Officers from Helen's team visit the driver, Neil Pemberton, 951 00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:39,535 Officers from Helen's team visit the driver, Neil Pemberton, 952 00:30:39,575 --> 00:30:40,335 Officers from Helen's team visit the driver, Neil Pemberton, 953 00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:42,375 to conduct the eyesight test. 954 00:30:42,415 --> 00:30:42,975 to conduct the eyesight test. 955 00:30:57,175 --> 00:30:59,175 We're then gradually moving closer, ask him again to read it. 956 00:30:59,215 --> 00:31:00,895 We're then gradually moving closer, ask him again to read it. 957 00:31:00,935 --> 00:31:02,815 A little bit closer, asked him again to read it. 958 00:31:12,695 --> 00:31:14,695 Unfortunately, he couldn't give us the correct number plate 959 00:31:14,735 --> 00:31:15,255 Unfortunately, he couldn't give us the correct number plate 960 00:31:15,295 --> 00:31:17,295 until he was only two and a half metres away 961 00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:18,015 until he was only two and a half metres away 962 00:31:18,055 --> 00:31:19,615 from the car numberplate. 963 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,135 Which is very, very worrying indeed. 964 00:31:29,175 --> 00:31:30,175 Which is very, very worrying indeed. 965 00:31:30,215 --> 00:31:32,215 So, we then looked at his medical records, 966 00:31:32,255 --> 00:31:34,255 and we could see that he was under an ophthalmologist, 967 00:31:34,295 --> 00:31:35,015 and we could see that he was under an ophthalmologist, 968 00:31:35,055 --> 00:31:36,615 certainly from 2013, 969 00:31:36,655 --> 00:31:38,655 where he suffered several medical issues with his eyes. 970 00:31:38,695 --> 00:31:39,495 where he suffered several medical issues with his eyes. 971 00:31:39,535 --> 00:31:41,535 He had wet macular degeneration and also a detached retina, 972 00:31:41,575 --> 00:31:43,375 He had wet macular degeneration and also a detached retina, 973 00:31:43,415 --> 00:31:45,415 and he was basically blind in one eye, 974 00:31:45,455 --> 00:31:45,735 and he was basically blind in one eye, 975 00:31:45,775 --> 00:31:47,775 and was struggling with his vision in his other eye. 976 00:31:47,815 --> 00:31:48,095 and was struggling with his vision in his other eye. 977 00:31:48,135 --> 00:31:50,135 And the first time he was told not to drive was in 2013. 978 00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:51,935 And the first time he was told not to drive was in 2013. 979 00:31:51,975 --> 00:31:53,975 He'd been driving for nine years after he'd been told 980 00:31:54,015 --> 00:31:54,575 He'd been driving for nine years after he'd been told 981 00:31:54,615 --> 00:31:56,615 his eyesight was not good enough to drive. 982 00:31:56,655 --> 00:31:57,015 his eyesight was not good enough to drive. 983 00:32:04,935 --> 00:32:06,935 Dr Adeley will now have to look into what role poor eyesight played 984 00:32:06,975 --> 00:32:08,495 Dr Adeley will now have to look into what role poor eyesight played 985 00:32:08,535 --> 00:32:10,535 in the crash which led to the death of Peter Westwell. 986 00:32:10,575 --> 00:32:11,575 in the crash which led to the death of Peter Westwell. 987 00:32:12,815 --> 00:32:14,815 But whilst investigating his death, 988 00:32:14,855 --> 00:32:15,095 But whilst investigating his death, 989 00:32:15,135 --> 00:32:17,135 the coroner is alerted to another road traffic collision 990 00:32:17,175 --> 00:32:17,935 the coroner is alerted to another road traffic collision 991 00:32:17,975 --> 00:32:19,975 with concerning similarities. 992 00:32:20,015 --> 00:32:20,175 with concerning similarities. 993 00:32:21,455 --> 00:32:23,455 The police have notified us of a further road traffic collision 994 00:32:23,495 --> 00:32:25,495 The police have notified us of a further road traffic collision 995 00:32:25,535 --> 00:32:27,175 The police have notified us of a further road traffic collision 996 00:32:27,215 --> 00:32:29,215 of an older pedestrian who's been struck by an older driver. 997 00:32:29,255 --> 00:32:31,255 of an older pedestrian who's been struck by an older driver. 998 00:32:31,295 --> 00:32:31,495 of an older pedestrian who's been struck by an older driver. 999 00:32:47,615 --> 00:32:49,615 Assisted by her neighbours, 1000 00:32:49,655 --> 00:32:49,935 Assisted by her neighbours, 1001 00:32:49,975 --> 00:32:51,975 emergency services have identified the pedestrian as Anne Ferguson. 1002 00:32:52,015 --> 00:32:54,015 emergency services have identified the pedestrian as Anne Ferguson. 1003 00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:54,855 emergency services have identified the pedestrian as Anne Ferguson. 1004 00:33:03,295 --> 00:33:05,295 Anne's friend and neighbour, Madeleine, 1005 00:33:05,335 --> 00:33:05,815 Anne's friend and neighbour, Madeleine, 1006 00:33:05,855 --> 00:33:07,855 went straight to her side after the crash. 1007 00:33:07,895 --> 00:33:08,495 went straight to her side after the crash. 1008 00:33:08,535 --> 00:33:10,535 Everybody knew Anne. Everybody knew Anne. 1009 00:33:10,575 --> 00:33:11,735 Everybody knew Anne. Everybody knew Anne. 1010 00:33:11,775 --> 00:33:13,775 I first met Anne when she moved in 14 years ago. 1011 00:33:13,815 --> 00:33:15,815 I first met Anne when she moved in 14 years ago. 1012 00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:17,855 We just... got on, because she got on with anybody. 1013 00:33:17,895 --> 00:33:19,815 We just... got on, because she got on with anybody. 1014 00:33:21,335 --> 00:33:23,335 Anne looked after her husband, who had to have 24-hour care. 1015 00:33:23,375 --> 00:33:25,375 Anne looked after her husband, who had to have 24-hour care. 1016 00:33:25,415 --> 00:33:25,655 Anne looked after her husband, who had to have 24-hour care. 1017 00:33:25,695 --> 00:33:27,695 She did everything. 1018 00:33:27,735 --> 00:33:29,735 I used to take her out to give her a bit of freedom, 1019 00:33:29,775 --> 00:33:30,455 I used to take her out to give her a bit of freedom, 1020 00:33:30,495 --> 00:33:32,495 and also for a laugh. 1021 00:33:32,535 --> 00:33:32,895 and also for a laugh. 1022 00:33:32,935 --> 00:33:34,575 God, we used to laugh. 1023 00:33:36,695 --> 00:33:38,695 She'd been to her doctors for her prescription, 1024 00:33:38,735 --> 00:33:39,055 She'd been to her doctors for her prescription, 1025 00:33:39,095 --> 00:33:41,095 and she were coming back across t'road. 1026 00:33:41,135 --> 00:33:41,415 and she were coming back across t'road. 1027 00:33:41,455 --> 00:33:43,455 I saw her out the window... across the road. 1028 00:33:43,495 --> 00:33:45,375 I saw her out the window... across the road. 1029 00:33:45,415 --> 00:33:47,415 By the time I'd come downstairs here, 1030 00:33:47,455 --> 00:33:48,215 By the time I'd come downstairs here, 1031 00:33:48,255 --> 00:33:49,855 I'd heard the bang. 1032 00:33:51,055 --> 00:33:53,055 So I run out. 1033 00:33:53,095 --> 00:33:53,255 So I run out. 1034 00:33:57,015 --> 00:33:59,015 And I knew it were Anne by her coat, the coat she had on. 1035 00:33:59,055 --> 00:34:00,535 And I knew it were Anne by her coat, the coat she had on. 1036 00:34:02,495 --> 00:34:04,495 And her trolley was outside my house. 1037 00:34:04,535 --> 00:34:05,815 And her trolley was outside my house. 1038 00:34:07,095 --> 00:34:09,095 The handle was up the side of my house. 1039 00:34:09,135 --> 00:34:11,015 The handle was up the side of my house. 1040 00:34:11,055 --> 00:34:13,055 And the wheels were in next door's garden. 1041 00:34:13,095 --> 00:34:13,615 And the wheels were in next door's garden. 1042 00:34:13,655 --> 00:34:15,295 So I just went up to her 1043 00:34:15,335 --> 00:34:17,335 and knelt down at the side of the road with her... 1044 00:34:17,375 --> 00:34:17,735 and knelt down at the side of the road with her... 1045 00:34:19,215 --> 00:34:21,215 ..and held her hand, gripped my hand. 1046 00:34:21,255 --> 00:34:22,215 ..and held her hand, gripped my hand. 1047 00:34:22,255 --> 00:34:24,255 I said, "I'm here, and I'm stopping." 1048 00:34:24,295 --> 00:34:24,495 I said, "I'm here, and I'm stopping." 1049 00:34:26,095 --> 00:34:28,095 But I think I knew... 1050 00:34:28,135 --> 00:34:28,415 But I think I knew... 1051 00:34:29,775 --> 00:34:31,775 ..when the ambulance, when the two ambulance girls come, 1052 00:34:31,815 --> 00:34:33,015 ..when the ambulance, when the two ambulance girls come, 1053 00:34:33,055 --> 00:34:35,055 and I looked at their faces, and they took her in the ambulance. 1054 00:34:35,095 --> 00:34:37,095 and I looked at their faces, and they took her in the ambulance. 1055 00:34:37,135 --> 00:34:37,815 and I looked at their faces, and they took her in the ambulance. 1056 00:34:43,015 --> 00:34:45,015 But I never thought I'd never speak to her again. 1057 00:34:45,055 --> 00:34:46,175 But I never thought I'd never speak to her again. 1058 00:34:59,095 --> 00:35:01,095 At first, every time I went out t'house 1059 00:35:01,135 --> 00:35:01,575 At first, every time I went out t'house 1060 00:35:01,615 --> 00:35:03,175 I didn't want to go out... 1061 00:35:05,055 --> 00:35:06,495 ..cos I could picture... 1062 00:35:06,535 --> 00:35:08,535 I mean, I still can picture her stood at t'window. 1063 00:35:08,575 --> 00:35:09,255 I mean, I still can picture her stood at t'window. 1064 00:35:13,135 --> 00:35:15,015 WHISPERS:I don't know. 1065 00:35:15,055 --> 00:35:17,055 It'll always be there, she'll always be there. 1066 00:35:17,095 --> 00:35:17,415 It'll always be there, she'll always be there. 1067 00:35:18,935 --> 00:35:20,935 The sad thing was that a little bit later... 1068 00:35:20,975 --> 00:35:22,975 The sad thing was that a little bit later... 1069 00:35:23,015 --> 00:35:23,215 The sad thing was that a little bit later... 1070 00:35:25,015 --> 00:35:27,015 ..her husband... committed suicide in the nursing home... 1071 00:35:27,055 --> 00:35:29,055 ..her husband... committed suicide in the nursing home... 1072 00:35:29,095 --> 00:35:29,375 ..her husband... committed suicide in the nursing home... 1073 00:35:30,495 --> 00:35:32,215 ..because he couldn't live without her. 1074 00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,535 We just don't know how it happened. 1075 00:35:39,575 --> 00:35:40,895 We just don't know how it happened. 1076 00:35:40,935 --> 00:35:42,935 We just thought he hadn't seen her. 1077 00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:43,135 We just thought he hadn't seen her. 1078 00:35:48,895 --> 00:35:50,895 The coroner is now looking into the deaths 1079 00:35:50,935 --> 00:35:51,335 The coroner is now looking into the deaths 1080 00:35:51,375 --> 00:35:53,295 of four pedestrians - 1081 00:35:53,335 --> 00:35:55,335 Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham in Southport... 1082 00:35:55,375 --> 00:35:56,295 Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham in Southport... 1083 00:35:58,015 --> 00:36:00,015 ..as well as Peter Westwell, 1084 00:36:00,055 --> 00:36:00,615 ..as well as Peter Westwell, 1085 00:36:00,655 --> 00:36:02,655 and now Anne Ferguson in Lancashire. 1086 00:36:02,695 --> 00:36:03,895 and now Anne Ferguson in Lancashire. 1087 00:36:03,935 --> 00:36:05,935 This is beginning to show a worrying collection of cases 1088 00:36:05,975 --> 00:36:07,975 This is beginning to show a worrying collection of cases 1089 00:36:08,015 --> 00:36:09,415 This is beginning to show a worrying collection of cases 1090 00:36:09,455 --> 00:36:11,455 in a relatively short period of time 1091 00:36:11,495 --> 00:36:11,735 in a relatively short period of time 1092 00:36:11,775 --> 00:36:13,815 in a relatively small area, 1093 00:36:13,855 --> 00:36:15,855 which has to be more than a coincidence, 1094 00:36:15,895 --> 00:36:16,295 which has to be more than a coincidence, 1095 00:36:16,335 --> 00:36:18,335 and requires us now to look at whether or not we are unusual, 1096 00:36:18,375 --> 00:36:20,375 and requires us now to look at whether or not we are unusual, 1097 00:36:20,415 --> 00:36:20,695 and requires us now to look at whether or not we are unusual, 1098 00:36:20,735 --> 00:36:22,735 or this is a wider problem on British roads. 1099 00:36:22,775 --> 00:36:23,975 or this is a wider problem on British roads. 1100 01:13:01,630 --> 01:13:03,630 NARRATOR: In the case of Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham, 1101 01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:04,550 NARRATOR: In the case of Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham, 1102 01:13:04,590 --> 01:13:06,590 two friends killed whilst crossing the road 1103 01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:06,990 two friends killed whilst crossing the road 1104 01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:09,030 outside their homes in Southport, 1105 01:13:09,070 --> 01:13:09,310 outside their homes in Southport, 1106 01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:11,350 Dr James Adeley needs a pathologist's findings 1107 01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:12,870 Dr James Adeley needs a pathologist's findings 1108 01:13:12,910 --> 01:13:14,830 to further his investigation. 1109 01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:16,870 Road traffic collisions are investigated 1110 01:13:16,910 --> 01:13:17,670 Road traffic collisions are investigated 1111 01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:19,710 with a number of pieces of evidence. 1112 01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:20,430 with a number of pieces of evidence. 1113 01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:22,470 This is a collision between a pedestrian and a car, 1114 01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:24,510 This is a collision between a pedestrian and a car, 1115 01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:24,830 This is a collision between a pedestrian and a car, 1116 01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:26,870 so you are interested in which way the pedestrian was facing. 1117 01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:28,910 so you are interested in which way the pedestrian was facing. 1118 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:29,510 so you are interested in which way the pedestrian was facing. 1119 01:13:29,550 --> 01:13:31,190 How did the car hit them? 1120 01:13:31,230 --> 01:13:33,230 What then happened to the pedestrian? 1121 01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:33,550 What then happened to the pedestrian? 1122 01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:35,590 And the pathologist's report can give you a lot of information 1123 01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:37,230 And the pathologist's report can give you a lot of information 1124 01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:39,270 as to the orientation of both the vehicle 1125 01:13:39,310 --> 01:13:40,070 as to the orientation of both the vehicle 1126 01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:42,110 and the pedestrian when they're hit. 1127 01:13:42,150 --> 01:13:42,550 and the pedestrian when they're hit. 1128 01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:47,190 Pathologist Dr Richard Shepherd 1129 01:13:47,230 --> 01:13:47,550 Pathologist Dr Richard Shepherd 1130 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,590 examines the notes from the postmortem. 1131 01:13:49,630 --> 01:13:49,910 examines the notes from the postmortem. 1132 01:13:51,870 --> 01:13:53,590 Grace had suffered extensive injuries 1133 01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:55,630 with the contact with the vehicle and with the road. 1134 01:13:55,670 --> 01:13:56,350 with the contact with the vehicle and with the road. 1135 01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:58,390 Even in hospital, they were unable to save her life, 1136 01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:59,630 Even in hospital, they were unable to save her life, 1137 01:13:59,670 --> 01:14:01,670 despite advanced resuscitation techniques. 1138 01:14:01,710 --> 01:14:02,550 despite advanced resuscitation techniques. 1139 01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:04,590 We also noticed that there was a skull fracture. 1140 01:14:04,630 --> 01:14:06,630 We also noticed that there was a skull fracture. 1141 01:14:06,670 --> 01:14:06,910 We also noticed that there was a skull fracture. 1142 01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:08,430 There's damage to the brain. 1143 01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:10,470 There's fracturing of the upper cervical spine - 1144 01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:11,870 There's fracturing of the upper cervical spine - 1145 01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:13,910 a very common site of injuries 1146 01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:14,190 a very common site of injuries 1147 01:14:14,230 --> 01:14:16,230 for pedestrians in road traffic collisions. 1148 01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:17,350 for pedestrians in road traffic collisions. 1149 01:14:17,390 --> 01:14:19,390 There are multiple fractures to the ribs. 1150 01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:19,710 There are multiple fractures to the ribs. 1151 01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:21,750 Because of the multiple rib fractures, 1152 01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:22,070 Because of the multiple rib fractures, 1153 01:14:22,110 --> 01:14:24,110 the lungs are often penetrated by the fractured ends, 1154 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:25,350 the lungs are often penetrated by the fractured ends, 1155 01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:27,390 and Grace had those penetrating injuries, 1156 01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:28,590 and Grace had those penetrating injuries, 1157 01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:30,630 causing her lungs to collapse. 1158 01:14:30,670 --> 01:14:30,870 causing her lungs to collapse. 1159 01:14:34,750 --> 01:14:36,750 Marie had an injury that resulted in a fracture of the skull, 1160 01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:38,790 Marie had an injury that resulted in a fracture of the skull, 1161 01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:39,470 Marie had an injury that resulted in a fracture of the skull, 1162 01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:41,510 bleeding around the surface of the skull. 1163 01:14:41,550 --> 01:14:41,950 bleeding around the surface of the skull. 1164 01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:43,990 She had bleeding internally, within her brain, 1165 01:14:44,030 --> 01:14:46,030 She had bleeding internally, within her brain, 1166 01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:46,910 She had bleeding internally, within her brain, 1167 01:14:46,950 --> 01:14:48,950 and that's a very serious complication of a head injury. 1168 01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:50,990 and that's a very serious complication of a head injury. 1169 01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:51,310 and that's a very serious complication of a head injury. 1170 01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:53,350 There was also fractures of her spine, 1171 01:14:53,390 --> 01:14:53,670 There was also fractures of her spine, 1172 01:14:53,710 --> 01:14:55,710 fractures at the ribs of the left side of her chest, 1173 01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:56,470 fractures at the ribs of the left side of her chest, 1174 01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:58,510 and there was fracturing of her pelvis. 1175 01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:59,070 and there was fracturing of her pelvis. 1176 01:14:59,110 --> 01:15:01,110 The skull fracture associated with bleeding 1177 01:15:01,150 --> 01:15:01,830 The skull fracture associated with bleeding 1178 01:15:01,870 --> 01:15:03,870 around and within the brain 1179 01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:04,150 around and within the brain 1180 01:15:04,190 --> 01:15:06,190 is a very, very serious injury in anyone, 1181 01:15:06,230 --> 01:15:07,030 is a very, very serious injury in anyone, 1182 01:15:07,070 --> 01:15:09,070 but particularly an elderly individual. 1183 01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:09,430 but particularly an elderly individual. 1184 01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:16,950 The postmortem also points to a vital piece of information 1185 01:15:16,990 --> 01:15:18,990 The postmortem also points to a vital piece of information 1186 01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:19,310 The postmortem also points to a vital piece of information 1187 01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:21,350 regarding the circumstances of the collision. 1188 01:15:21,390 --> 01:15:22,710 regarding the circumstances of the collision. 1189 01:15:22,750 --> 01:15:24,750 Assessing direction of travel and point of impact 1190 01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:25,950 Assessing direction of travel and point of impact 1191 01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:27,390 can be very difficult. 1192 01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:29,430 But in this case, the weight of the injuries 1193 01:15:29,470 --> 01:15:30,510 But in this case, the weight of the injuries 1194 01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:32,550 seems to be to the left side of both ladies, 1195 01:15:32,590 --> 01:15:33,350 seems to be to the left side of both ladies, 1196 01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:35,390 which suggests that the vehicle was coming from their left. 1197 01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:36,830 which suggests that the vehicle was coming from their left. 1198 01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:38,230 And on an English road, 1199 01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:40,270 that means they would have crossed one carriageway 1200 01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:41,790 that means they would have crossed one carriageway 1201 01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:43,790 over the centre line 1202 01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:45,830 and now be in the second half of the road 1203 01:15:45,870 --> 01:15:46,630 and now be in the second half of the road 1204 01:15:46,670 --> 01:15:48,430 at the time they were struck. 1205 01:15:51,550 --> 01:15:53,550 In Southport, in the hours after the collision 1206 01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:54,830 In Southport, in the hours after the collision 1207 01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:56,870 which killed Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 1208 01:15:56,910 --> 01:15:57,790 which killed Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 1209 01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:59,830 Merseyside Police officers question driver Glyn Jones. 1210 01:15:59,870 --> 01:16:01,430 Merseyside Police officers question driver Glyn Jones. 1211 01:16:19,230 --> 01:16:21,230 The investigating officer in this case was asked to go and conduct 1212 01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:22,590 The investigating officer in this case was asked to go and conduct 1213 01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:24,230 an eyesight test with Mr Jones 1214 01:16:24,270 --> 01:16:26,270 in the days following the collision. 1215 01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:26,510 in the days following the collision. 1216 01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:48,070 I think it's fair to say that the performance was extremely poor. 1217 01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:48,990 I think it's fair to say that the performance was extremely poor. 1218 01:16:54,030 --> 01:16:55,350 And therefore it's a failure 1219 01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:57,390 on the basis that he's performed that poorly. 1220 01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:57,630 on the basis that he's performed that poorly. 1221 01:17:01,630 --> 01:17:03,630 The investigating officer in this case asked Mr Jones 1222 01:17:03,670 --> 01:17:04,390 The investigating officer in this case asked Mr Jones 1223 01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:06,430 to give him details of his GP and who his opticians were, 1224 01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:08,470 to give him details of his GP and who his opticians were, 1225 01:17:08,510 --> 01:17:10,070 to give him details of his GP and who his opticians were, 1226 01:17:10,110 --> 01:17:12,110 and Mr Jones refused to provide those details to the officer. 1227 01:17:12,150 --> 01:17:14,030 and Mr Jones refused to provide those details to the officer. 1228 01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:16,070 {\an8}Having seized the driver's mobile phone, 1229 01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:16,830 {\an8}Having seized the driver's mobile phone, 1230 01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:18,870 {\an8}police tracked down the details of his GP, 1231 01:17:18,910 --> 01:17:19,630 {\an8}police tracked down the details of his GP, 1232 01:17:19,670 --> 01:17:21,670 who told them Jones had been phoning to ask them 1233 01:17:21,710 --> 01:17:22,390 who told them Jones had been phoning to ask them 1234 01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:24,430 not to co-operate with the investigation. 1235 01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:24,670 not to co-operate with the investigation. 1236 01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:27,910 He believed that information shouldn't be shared 1237 01:17:27,950 --> 01:17:28,670 He believed that information shouldn't be shared 1238 01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:30,750 and that he wasn't best pleased 1239 01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:32,790 with the police applying for that information. 1240 01:17:32,830 --> 01:17:33,470 with the police applying for that information. 1241 01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:45,070 When I hear that, it just highlights to us 1242 01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:46,910 that we're on the right pathway, aren't we? 1243 01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:48,950 The evidence that we're gathering is starting to aggravate Mr Jones, 1244 01:17:48,990 --> 01:17:50,070 The evidence that we're gathering is starting to aggravate Mr Jones, 1245 01:17:50,110 --> 01:17:52,110 which suggests to me that we're starting to uncover things 1246 01:17:52,150 --> 01:17:54,150 which suggests to me that we're starting to uncover things 1247 01:17:54,190 --> 01:17:54,470 which suggests to me that we're starting to uncover things 1248 01:17:54,510 --> 01:17:56,510 that he doesn't want us to know about. 1249 01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:58,550 In the ten years or so prior to the collision, 1250 01:17:58,590 --> 01:17:58,830 In the ten years or so prior to the collision, 1251 01:17:58,870 --> 01:18:00,710 he'd been told on multiple occasions 1252 01:18:00,750 --> 01:18:02,750 by multiple professionals and experts 1253 01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:03,190 by multiple professionals and experts 1254 01:18:03,230 --> 01:18:04,710 that he shouldn't be driving. 1255 01:18:04,750 --> 01:18:06,710 KNOCKING 1256 01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:17,590 We had sufficient evidence in this particular case 1257 01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:18,150 We had sufficient evidence in this particular case 1258 01:18:18,190 --> 01:18:20,190 to feel confident that we could put a file 1259 01:18:20,230 --> 01:18:20,510 to feel confident that we could put a file 1260 01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:22,550 to the Crown Prosecution Service and obtain a charge. 1261 01:18:22,590 --> 01:18:22,950 to the Crown Prosecution Service and obtain a charge. 1262 01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:26,950 Glyn Jones, the driver who killed Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham, 1263 01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:28,990 Glyn Jones, the driver who killed Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham, 1264 01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:29,430 Glyn Jones, the driver who killed Grace Foulds and Marie Cunningham, 1265 01:18:29,470 --> 01:18:31,470 was charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving. 1266 01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:33,510 was charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving. 1267 01:18:33,550 --> 01:18:34,110 was charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving. 1268 01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:47,430 At court, Glyn Jones was found guilty 1269 01:18:47,470 --> 01:18:48,510 At court, Glyn Jones was found guilty 1270 01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:50,550 and jailed for seven years and four months. 1271 01:18:50,590 --> 01:18:51,270 and jailed for seven years and four months. 1272 01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:54,830 When we found out that his eye condition was so severe, 1273 01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:56,070 When we found out that his eye condition was so severe, 1274 01:18:56,110 --> 01:18:58,110 that legally, he wasn't even able to see his steering wheel, 1275 01:18:58,150 --> 01:19:00,150 that legally, he wasn't even able to see his steering wheel, 1276 01:19:00,190 --> 01:19:01,110 that legally, he wasn't even able to see his steering wheel, 1277 01:19:01,150 --> 01:19:03,150 I think it was just shock, wasn't it? 1278 01:19:03,190 --> 01:19:04,070 I think it was just shock, wasn't it? 1279 01:19:04,110 --> 01:19:06,110 We just... We didn't realise it was so bad. 1280 01:19:06,150 --> 01:19:06,830 We just... We didn't realise it was so bad. 1281 01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:08,870 He was unfit to drive. He knew he was unfit to drive. 1282 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:10,670 He was unfit to drive. He knew he was unfit to drive. 1283 01:19:10,710 --> 01:19:12,710 He got into a car on numerous occasions, 1284 01:19:12,750 --> 01:19:13,670 He got into a car on numerous occasions, 1285 01:19:13,710 --> 01:19:15,710 and he rolled those dice every single time he went in that car. 1286 01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:17,750 and he rolled those dice every single time he went in that car. 1287 01:19:17,790 --> 01:19:19,790 He had the opportunity at the side of the road 1288 01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:20,230 He had the opportunity at the side of the road 1289 01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:22,270 to say it was his fault, but he chose not to do that. 1290 01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:23,910 to say it was his fault, but he chose not to do that. 1291 01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:28,390 The barrister gave the guilty plea on his behalf. 1292 01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:29,550 The barrister gave the guilty plea on his behalf. 1293 01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:31,590 He never spoke, never looked at the family once, 1294 01:19:31,630 --> 01:19:32,910 He never spoke, never looked at the family once, 1295 01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:34,950 never showed any kind of remorse in any way, shape or form 1296 01:19:34,990 --> 01:19:36,150 never showed any kind of remorse in any way, shape or form 1297 01:19:36,190 --> 01:19:37,590 as he was sat in the dock. 1298 01:19:40,950 --> 01:19:42,950 The trial gave us the decision. 1299 01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:43,790 The trial gave us the decision. 1300 01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:45,710 But what it didn't uncover was 1301 01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:47,750 why was this such an accident waiting to happen 1302 01:19:47,790 --> 01:19:49,030 why was this such an accident waiting to happen 1303 01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:50,750 in the way that it did. 1304 01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:52,790 His car would have been MOT'd, 1305 01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:54,830 and his car would have been safe to drive, 1306 01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:55,310 and his car would have been safe to drive, 1307 01:19:55,350 --> 01:19:57,350 but the driver wasn't safe to drive the car. 1308 01:19:57,390 --> 01:19:58,310 but the driver wasn't safe to drive the car. 1309 01:19:59,870 --> 01:20:01,870 And that's where change really needs to happen. 1310 01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:02,150 And that's where change really needs to happen. 1311 01:20:05,710 --> 01:20:07,550 In the case of Peter Westwell, 1312 01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:09,590 who was killed by 80-year-old driver Neil Pemberton 1313 01:20:09,630 --> 01:20:10,710 who was killed by 80-year-old driver Neil Pemberton 1314 01:20:10,750 --> 01:20:12,750 in a car crash in Langho, Lancashire, 1315 01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:14,030 in a car crash in Langho, Lancashire, 1316 01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:16,070 senior investigating officer Helen Parkinson 1317 01:20:16,110 --> 01:20:17,030 senior investigating officer Helen Parkinson 1318 01:20:17,070 --> 01:20:19,070 is bringing her findings to the attention 1319 01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:19,350 is bringing her findings to the attention 1320 01:20:19,390 --> 01:20:21,390 of Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley. 1321 01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:21,990 of Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley. 1322 01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:25,070 Right, what have we got here, please? 1323 01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:27,110 So, this is the police prosecution file, 1324 01:20:27,150 --> 01:20:27,430 So, this is the police prosecution file, 1325 01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:29,430 in relation to a gentleman called Mr Neil Pemberton, 1326 01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:30,870 who has recently been sentenced 1327 01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:32,910 for causing death by dangerous driving of Mr Peter Westwell. Right. 1328 01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:34,830 for causing death by dangerous driving of Mr Peter Westwell. Right. 1329 01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:36,870 He's recently been sentenced to 32 months in prison 1330 01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:38,670 He's recently been sentenced to 32 months in prison 1331 01:20:38,710 --> 01:20:40,630 for causing death by dangerous driving 1332 01:20:40,670 --> 01:20:42,670 by the fact that he had incredibly poor eyesight. 1333 01:20:42,710 --> 01:20:43,550 by the fact that he had incredibly poor eyesight. 1334 01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:44,990 Fine. 1335 01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:47,030 Can you explain what you've brought and then take me through it, please? 1336 01:20:47,070 --> 01:20:48,710 Can you explain what you've brought and then take me through it, please? 1337 01:20:48,750 --> 01:20:50,750 So, there's an awful lot of... Medical records. 1338 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:51,710 So, there's an awful lot of... Medical records. 1339 01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:53,430 Medical records, yeah. 1340 01:20:53,470 --> 01:20:55,070 Can we have a look at the footage, please? 1341 01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:56,190 Yes, absolutely. 1342 01:20:56,230 --> 01:20:58,230 WOMAN ON VIDEO:'Right, OK. tell me what you can see.' 1343 01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:58,470 WOMAN ON VIDEO:'Right, OK. tell me what you can see.' 1344 01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:02,990 'That's nine metres.' 1345 01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:04,670 MAN ON VIDEO: 'That's how I can see it.' 1346 01:21:04,710 --> 01:21:06,710 'Right, go on. Move a bit further forwards 1347 01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:07,350 'Right, go on. Move a bit further forwards 1348 01:21:07,390 --> 01:21:09,390 'so you can really see it for me 1349 01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:09,670 'so you can really see it for me 1350 01:21:09,710 --> 01:21:11,550 'and read the whole number plate out.' 1351 01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:13,590 'Tell me when you can read it.' 1352 01:21:13,630 --> 01:21:14,270 'Tell me when you can read it.' 1353 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:15,910 I can read that. 1354 01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:17,950 'There is an H.' I know. 1355 01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:18,190 'There is an H.' I know. 1356 01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:21,350 U. You've got it. 1357 01:21:21,390 --> 01:21:21,670 U. You've got it. 1358 01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:23,710 You've got it. What's that? 1359 01:21:23,750 --> 01:21:23,990 You've got it. What's that? 1360 01:21:24,030 --> 01:21:25,670 '2.5 metres.' 1361 01:21:25,710 --> 01:21:27,470 2.5 metres? Mm-hm. 1362 01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:29,510 It's a painful watch, isn't it? That is... concerning. 1363 01:21:29,550 --> 01:21:30,830 It's a painful watch, isn't it? That is... concerning. 1364 01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:34,950 With this, the principal concern coming out of this case 1365 01:21:34,990 --> 01:21:36,790 With this, the principal concern coming out of this case 1366 01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:38,830 is that you have got an increasingly elderly population... 1367 01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:40,870 is that you have got an increasingly elderly population... 1368 01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:41,990 is that you have got an increasingly elderly population... 1369 01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:43,430 Yes. 1370 01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:45,470 ..who, up until today in reading this report, 1371 01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:46,910 ..who, up until today in reading this report, 1372 01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:48,950 I didn't know what the requirements were for sight. Yes. 1373 01:21:48,990 --> 01:21:49,830 I didn't know what the requirements were for sight. Yes. 1374 01:21:49,870 --> 01:21:51,870 Most people aren't even aware of the requirements for this, 1375 01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:53,910 Most people aren't even aware of the requirements for this, 1376 01:21:53,950 --> 01:21:54,230 Most people aren't even aware of the requirements for this, 1377 01:21:54,270 --> 01:21:56,270 and all of this is you assure the DVLA 1378 01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:57,430 and all of this is you assure the DVLA 1379 01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:59,470 on a voluntary basis? Mm-hm. 1380 01:21:59,510 --> 01:21:59,790 on a voluntary basis? Mm-hm. 1381 01:21:59,830 --> 01:22:01,270 So the question then starts to become, 1382 01:22:01,310 --> 01:22:03,310 is this safe, or is there an ongoing problem? 1383 01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:04,270 is this safe, or is there an ongoing problem? 1384 01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:08,070 With the police prosecution of Peter Westwell's driver 1385 01:22:08,110 --> 01:22:09,030 With the police prosecution of Peter Westwell's driver 1386 01:22:09,070 --> 01:22:11,070 having now concluded, the inquest can now take place. 1387 01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:13,110 having now concluded, the inquest can now take place. 1388 01:22:13,150 --> 01:22:13,470 having now concluded, the inquest can now take place. 1389 01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:15,510 Dr Adeley moves forward with his investigation. 1390 01:22:15,550 --> 01:22:16,790 Dr Adeley moves forward with his investigation. 1391 01:22:18,670 --> 01:22:20,670 We will ask Richard Booth, who is a consultant optometrist, 1392 01:22:20,710 --> 01:22:22,230 We will ask Richard Booth, who is a consultant optometrist, 1393 01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:24,310 and ask him for an opinion 1394 01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:26,350 as to how compromised the sight of these drivers was. 1395 01:22:26,390 --> 01:22:28,230 as to how compromised the sight of these drivers was. 1396 01:22:28,270 --> 01:22:30,270 Dr Adeley will want to examine this vital evidence 1397 01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:32,070 Dr Adeley will want to examine this vital evidence 1398 01:22:32,110 --> 01:22:34,110 about the state of the drivers' vision 1399 01:22:34,150 --> 01:22:34,390 about the state of the drivers' vision 1400 01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:36,230 as he prepares for the inquests. 1401 01:22:38,030 --> 01:22:40,030 Optometrist Richard Booth first examines 1402 01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:40,630 Optometrist Richard Booth first examines 1403 01:22:40,670 --> 01:22:42,670 the records of Neil Pemberton, 1404 01:22:42,710 --> 01:22:42,990 the records of Neil Pemberton, 1405 01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:45,030 the driver who killed Peter Westwell. 1406 01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:45,470 the driver who killed Peter Westwell. 1407 01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:47,510 I realised that it was 1999, 1408 01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:49,390 I realised that it was 1999, 1409 01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:51,430 was the last time that he met the eyesight requirement for driving. 1410 01:22:51,470 --> 01:22:52,830 was the last time that he met the eyesight requirement for driving. 1411 01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:57,230 He had a retinal detachment in one eye 1412 01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:59,270 and age-related macular disease in the other. 1413 01:22:59,310 --> 01:23:00,910 and age-related macular disease in the other. 1414 01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:02,950 Neil Pemberton told the optician that they no longer drove. 1415 01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:04,870 Neil Pemberton told the optician that they no longer drove. 1416 01:23:04,910 --> 01:23:06,710 They told the hospital in some cases 1417 01:23:06,750 --> 01:23:08,470 that they no longer drove. 1418 01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:10,510 They completed the form, because he was over the age of 70, 1419 01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:12,550 They completed the form, because he was over the age of 70, 1420 01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:12,830 They completed the form, because he was over the age of 70, 1421 01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:14,310 which is done every three years, 1422 01:23:14,350 --> 01:23:16,350 saying there was no problem with his eyes 1423 01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:17,030 saying there was no problem with his eyes 1424 01:23:17,070 --> 01:23:19,070 and he never had any eye disease or anything. 1425 01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:19,710 and he never had any eye disease or anything. 1426 01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:21,750 But it relies on the honesty, 1427 01:23:21,790 --> 01:23:22,630 But it relies on the honesty, 1428 01:23:22,670 --> 01:23:24,670 and it's just too easy to self-certify 1429 01:23:24,710 --> 01:23:25,590 and it's just too easy to self-certify 1430 01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:27,550 that you meet the eyesight requirement. 1431 01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:34,390 He would have known, there was no question about it, 1432 01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:35,350 He would have known, there was no question about it, 1433 01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:37,390 that he was well outside the requirement for driving. 1434 01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:38,070 that he was well outside the requirement for driving. 1435 01:23:38,110 --> 01:23:40,110 In my opinion, he would have been able 1436 01:23:40,150 --> 01:23:40,630 In my opinion, he would have been able 1437 01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:42,670 to be registered partially-sighted, which is rather frightening. 1438 01:23:42,710 --> 01:23:44,190 to be registered partially-sighted, which is rather frightening. 1439 01:23:44,230 --> 01:23:46,230 It's probably about the worst case there that I've seen. 1440 01:23:46,270 --> 01:23:47,630 It's probably about the worst case there that I've seen. 1441 01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:51,310 I was then approached to look at the case of Glyn Jones, 1442 01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:52,670 I was then approached to look at the case of Glyn Jones, 1443 01:23:52,710 --> 01:23:54,710 who had a road traffic collision and killed two pedestrians. 1444 01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:56,390 who had a road traffic collision and killed two pedestrians. 1445 01:23:56,430 --> 01:23:58,430 Those pedestrians were Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 1446 01:23:58,470 --> 01:24:00,470 Those pedestrians were Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 1447 01:24:00,510 --> 01:24:01,150 Those pedestrians were Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds, 1448 01:24:01,190 --> 01:24:03,190 killed as they crossed the road in Southport. 1449 01:24:03,230 --> 01:24:03,590 killed as they crossed the road in Southport. 1450 01:24:05,470 --> 01:24:07,470 The condition Glyn Jones had was keratoconus. 1451 01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:07,750 The condition Glyn Jones had was keratoconus. 1452 01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:09,790 Keratoconus is a misshaped cornea. 1453 01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:11,430 Keratoconus is a misshaped cornea. 1454 01:24:11,470 --> 01:24:13,470 Instead of being spherical, it is conical, 1455 01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:14,910 Instead of being spherical, it is conical, 1456 01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:16,950 and therefore everything becomes very distorted. 1457 01:24:16,990 --> 01:24:18,270 and therefore everything becomes very distorted. 1458 01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:20,310 Which means that the furthest he could see clearly 1459 01:24:20,350 --> 01:24:21,990 Which means that the furthest he could see clearly 1460 01:24:22,030 --> 01:24:24,030 would have been about 5cm away from his eye, 1461 01:24:24,070 --> 01:24:26,070 would have been about 5cm away from his eye, 1462 01:24:26,110 --> 01:24:26,350 would have been about 5cm away from his eye, 1463 01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:28,390 which is about that. 1464 01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:28,670 which is about that. 1465 01:24:28,710 --> 01:24:30,710 He knew from the last eye examination he had 1466 01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:31,670 He knew from the last eye examination he had 1467 01:24:31,710 --> 01:24:33,070 prior to the collision 1468 01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:35,110 that his eyesight didn't meet the requirement. 1469 01:24:35,150 --> 01:24:35,910 that his eyesight didn't meet the requirement. 1470 01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:37,870 It's just totally irresponsible. 1471 01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:39,910 He was under the age of 70, 1472 01:24:39,950 --> 01:24:40,190 He was under the age of 70, 1473 01:24:40,230 --> 01:24:42,230 so he didn't actually need to complete a form 1474 01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:42,910 so he didn't actually need to complete a form 1475 01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:44,950 saying what his eyesight was like. 1476 01:24:44,990 --> 01:24:45,390 saying what his eyesight was like. 1477 01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:47,430 However, it falls to the driver who has defective eyesight 1478 01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:49,470 However, it falls to the driver who has defective eyesight 1479 01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:50,790 However, it falls to the driver who has defective eyesight 1480 01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:52,830 is to notify the DVLA. 1481 01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:53,030 is to notify the DVLA. 1482 01:24:57,870 --> 01:24:59,870 With evidence mounting that the issue 1483 01:24:59,910 --> 01:25:00,190 With evidence mounting that the issue 1484 01:25:00,230 --> 01:25:02,230 of poor eyesight in drivers is not sufficiently regulated, 1485 01:25:02,270 --> 01:25:04,190 of poor eyesight in drivers is not sufficiently regulated, 1486 01:25:04,230 --> 01:25:06,230 Coroner Dr Adeley decides to contact the DVLA, 1487 01:25:06,270 --> 01:25:07,710 Coroner Dr Adeley decides to contact the DVLA, 1488 01:25:07,750 --> 01:25:09,750 which issues driving licences. 1489 01:25:09,790 --> 01:25:09,950 which issues driving licences. 1490 01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:13,110 The cases of Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds 1491 01:25:13,150 --> 01:25:14,070 The cases of Marie Cunningham and Grace Foulds 1492 01:25:14,110 --> 01:25:16,110 have similarities to Peter Westwell, 1493 01:25:16,150 --> 01:25:17,510 have similarities to Peter Westwell, 1494 01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:19,550 due to drivers who have been told not to drive 1495 01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:21,350 due to drivers who have been told not to drive 1496 01:25:21,390 --> 01:25:23,390 due to their eyesight but have continued to do so. 1497 01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:24,510 due to their eyesight but have continued to do so. 1498 01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:26,550 'Coroners have a responsibility to identify risks 1499 01:25:26,590 --> 01:25:28,550 'Coroners have a responsibility to identify risks 1500 01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:30,390 'where people may lose their lives 1501 01:25:30,430 --> 01:25:32,430 'and draw this to the attention of authorities 1502 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:33,430 'and draw this to the attention of authorities 1503 01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:35,470 'who have the power to deal with this.' 1504 01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:35,710 'who have the power to deal with this.' 1505 01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:40,070 You can have a very simplified test to cover most things. 1506 01:25:40,110 --> 01:25:42,110 You can have a very simplified test to cover most things. 1507 01:25:42,150 --> 01:25:42,790 You can have a very simplified test to cover most things. 1508 01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:44,830 If we removed the self-assessment reporting 1509 01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:46,870 If we removed the self-assessment reporting 1510 01:25:46,910 --> 01:25:48,150 If we removed the self-assessment reporting 1511 01:25:48,190 --> 01:25:50,190 and had it authenticated by a professional, 1512 01:25:50,230 --> 01:25:52,230 and had it authenticated by a professional, 1513 01:25:52,270 --> 01:25:54,270 it would be quite easy and quick to do. 1514 01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:55,990 it would be quite easy and quick to do. 1515 01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:58,030 And I think it's likely to have the effect 1516 01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:58,750 And I think it's likely to have the effect 1517 01:25:58,790 --> 01:26:00,790 of reducing road traffic collisions in total. 1518 01:26:00,830 --> 01:26:02,830 of reducing road traffic collisions in total. 1519 01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:03,590 of reducing road traffic collisions in total. 1520 01:26:11,190 --> 01:26:13,190 NARRATOR: Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 1521 01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:13,590 NARRATOR: Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 1522 01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:15,630 is investigating a number of road traffic collisions, 1523 01:26:15,670 --> 01:26:16,470 is investigating a number of road traffic collisions, 1524 01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:18,510 including the death of Anne Ferguson, 1525 01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:19,230 including the death of Anne Ferguson, 1526 01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:21,270 a pedestrian who died whilst crossing the road 1527 01:26:21,310 --> 01:26:22,310 a pedestrian who died whilst crossing the road 1528 01:26:22,350 --> 01:26:23,630 in the town of Whitworth. 1529 01:26:26,350 --> 01:26:28,350 Lancashire Police's Serious Collision Investigation Unit 1530 01:26:28,390 --> 01:26:30,390 Lancashire Police's Serious Collision Investigation Unit 1531 01:26:30,430 --> 01:26:30,670 Lancashire Police's Serious Collision Investigation Unit 1532 01:26:30,710 --> 01:26:32,430 went to the scene of the crash 1533 01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:34,470 involving a van driver called Vernon Law. 1534 01:26:34,510 --> 01:26:35,030 involving a van driver called Vernon Law. 1535 01:26:36,270 --> 01:26:38,270 You can see Anne cross the road. 1536 01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:38,630 You can see Anne cross the road. 1537 01:26:38,670 --> 01:26:40,670 She has a good vantage point for crossing the road. 1538 01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:40,990 She has a good vantage point for crossing the road. 1539 01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:43,030 She's able to see both sides of the road. 1540 01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:43,790 She's able to see both sides of the road. 1541 01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:45,830 Starts crossing the road, it's clear in both directions. 1542 01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:47,350 Starts crossing the road, it's clear in both directions. 1543 01:26:47,390 --> 01:26:49,390 Literally, she was just over a metre from the pavement. 1544 01:26:49,430 --> 01:26:50,590 Literally, she was just over a metre from the pavement. 1545 01:26:50,630 --> 01:26:52,630 She very nearly got all the way across. 1546 01:26:52,670 --> 01:26:53,630 She very nearly got all the way across. 1547 01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:55,590 Had he slowed down slightly, 1548 01:26:55,630 --> 01:26:57,630 she would have been able to get across. 1549 01:26:57,670 --> 01:26:58,070 she would have been able to get across. 1550 01:26:58,110 --> 01:27:00,110 From watching and analysing the CCTV, 1551 01:27:00,150 --> 01:27:00,590 From watching and analysing the CCTV, 1552 01:27:00,630 --> 01:27:02,670 Mr Law never pressed his brakes, 1553 01:27:02,710 --> 01:27:04,710 so clearly he never saw Mrs Ferguson, 1554 01:27:04,750 --> 01:27:05,110 so clearly he never saw Mrs Ferguson, 1555 01:27:05,150 --> 01:27:07,150 despite her being in his sight for over five seconds. 1556 01:27:07,190 --> 01:27:07,670 despite her being in his sight for over five seconds. 1557 01:27:11,390 --> 01:27:13,390 Pathologist Richard Shepherd reviews Anne Ferguson's postmortem. 1558 01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:15,430 Pathologist Richard Shepherd reviews Anne Ferguson's postmortem. 1559 01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:16,310 Pathologist Richard Shepherd reviews Anne Ferguson's postmortem. 1560 01:27:16,350 --> 01:27:18,350 In trying to understand complex incidents like this, 1561 01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:19,270 In trying to understand complex incidents like this, 1562 01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:21,310 it's so useful to have CCTV footage, and that's what we have here. 1563 01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:23,350 it's so useful to have CCTV footage, and that's what we have here. 1564 01:27:23,390 --> 01:27:23,790 it's so useful to have CCTV footage, and that's what we have here. 1565 01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:25,830 The impact is clearly very severe. 1566 01:27:25,870 --> 01:27:26,830 The impact is clearly very severe. 1567 01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:28,870 She's instantly scooped off her feet. 1568 01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:29,150 She's instantly scooped off her feet. 1569 01:27:29,190 --> 01:27:31,150 She strikes the vehicle hard, 1570 01:27:31,190 --> 01:27:33,190 and then she's thrown forwards by the front of the vehicle. 1571 01:27:33,230 --> 01:27:35,230 and then she's thrown forwards by the front of the vehicle. 1572 01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:35,630 and then she's thrown forwards by the front of the vehicle. 1573 01:27:35,670 --> 01:27:37,630 And it's obvious from the moment 1574 01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:39,670 that you see her body responding to this 1575 01:27:39,710 --> 01:27:40,630 that you see her body responding to this 1576 01:27:40,670 --> 01:27:42,670 that there are severe fractured limbs. 1577 01:27:42,710 --> 01:27:43,030 that there are severe fractured limbs. 1578 01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:48,230 So, she's got multiple fractures of the ribs, 1579 01:27:48,270 --> 01:27:50,270 and there were multiple fractures of Anne's spine. 1580 01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:51,150 and there were multiple fractures of Anne's spine. 1581 01:27:51,190 --> 01:27:53,150 One in the neck, one in the upper chest 1582 01:27:53,190 --> 01:27:55,190 and one in lower chest. 1583 01:27:55,230 --> 01:27:55,550 and one in lower chest. 1584 01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:57,590 The one in the lower chest is particularly important. 1585 01:27:57,630 --> 01:27:58,590 The one in the lower chest is particularly important. 1586 01:27:58,630 --> 01:28:00,630 And actually, that's often where the most energy, 1587 01:28:00,670 --> 01:28:02,150 And actually, that's often where the most energy, 1588 01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:04,190 the most force from the vehicle is delivered, 1589 01:28:04,230 --> 01:28:04,630 the most force from the vehicle is delivered, 1590 01:28:04,670 --> 01:28:06,670 because there, the spine had moved, and the spinal cord was cut through, 1591 01:28:06,710 --> 01:28:08,710 because there, the spine had moved, and the spinal cord was cut through, 1592 01:28:08,750 --> 01:28:10,190 because there, the spine had moved, and the spinal cord was cut through, 1593 01:28:10,230 --> 01:28:12,230 causing it completely to stop working. 1594 01:28:12,270 --> 01:28:13,710 causing it completely to stop working. 1595 01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:15,750 I'm sure that this was an immediately fatal impact. 1596 01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:17,790 I'm sure that this was an immediately fatal impact. 1597 01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:19,470 I'm sure that this was an immediately fatal impact. 1598 01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:21,390 And if there has to be a good thing, 1599 01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:23,430 it's that she would actually have known nothing about this. 1600 01:28:23,470 --> 01:28:24,470 it's that she would actually have known nothing about this. 1601 01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:31,910 Police officers at the scene 1602 01:28:31,950 --> 01:28:33,950 conducted a number of tests on the driver. 1603 01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:35,070 conducted a number of tests on the driver. 1604 01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:37,110 PARKINSON:Mr Law passed the drug wipe. 1605 01:28:37,150 --> 01:28:37,390 PARKINSON:Mr Law passed the drug wipe. 1606 01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:38,830 He passed the breath test. 1607 01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:40,870 OFFICER ON VIDEO:So, the next thing I need to go through with you 1608 01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:41,630 OFFICER ON VIDEO:So, the next thing I need to go through with you 1609 01:28:41,670 --> 01:28:42,990 is an eyesight test, 1610 01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:45,030 to make sure that you meet the minimum standards 1611 01:28:45,070 --> 01:28:46,750 to make sure that you meet the minimum standards 1612 01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:48,030 for driving a vehicle. 1613 01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:50,070 Unfortunately, as we've seen again, he failed the eyesight test. 1614 01:28:50,110 --> 01:28:52,110 Unfortunately, as we've seen again, he failed the eyesight test. 1615 01:28:52,150 --> 01:28:52,390 Unfortunately, as we've seen again, he failed the eyesight test. 1616 01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:57,590 Not quite. 1617 01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:03,510 Mr Law couldn't read the number plate 1618 01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:05,270 until he was only six metres away. 1619 01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:08,310 So, following the failure of the eyesight test, 1620 01:29:08,350 --> 01:29:09,190 So, following the failure of the eyesight test, 1621 01:29:09,230 --> 01:29:10,590 it was clear this is an avenue 1622 01:29:10,630 --> 01:29:12,630 that we needed to investigate further. 1623 01:29:12,670 --> 01:29:12,910 that we needed to investigate further. 1624 01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:14,950 So we contacted his opticians. 1625 01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:15,230 So we contacted his opticians. 1626 01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:17,270 And it turns out just a month earlier, 1627 01:29:17,310 --> 01:29:17,550 And it turns out just a month earlier, 1628 01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:18,990 prior to the collision, 1629 01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:21,030 Mr Law had gone and had an eyesight test 1630 01:29:21,070 --> 01:29:21,910 Mr Law had gone and had an eyesight test 1631 01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:23,950 where he was diagnosed with cataracts in both eyes. 1632 01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:25,990 where he was diagnosed with cataracts in both eyes. 1633 01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:26,230 where he was diagnosed with cataracts in both eyes. 1634 01:29:29,150 --> 01:29:31,150 Cataract is where there is opacity in the lens, 1635 01:29:31,190 --> 01:29:32,990 Cataract is where there is opacity in the lens, 1636 01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:35,030 so as the lens inside your eye ages, 1637 01:29:35,070 --> 01:29:35,590 so as the lens inside your eye ages, 1638 01:29:35,630 --> 01:29:37,630 it starts to go slightly yellow, usually. 1639 01:29:37,670 --> 01:29:38,470 it starts to go slightly yellow, usually. 1640 01:29:38,510 --> 01:29:40,510 It's like looking through a filter. 1641 01:29:40,550 --> 01:29:40,710 It's like looking through a filter. 1642 01:29:42,030 --> 01:29:44,030 And it becomes quite distorted, the vision, mainly blurred... blur. 1643 01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:46,070 And it becomes quite distorted, the vision, mainly blurred... blur. 1644 01:29:46,110 --> 01:29:48,070 And it becomes quite distorted, the vision, mainly blurred... blur. 1645 01:29:48,110 --> 01:29:50,110 You would be susceptible to bright lights, 1646 01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:50,630 You would be susceptible to bright lights, 1647 01:29:50,670 --> 01:29:52,670 so headlights would become a problem. 1648 01:29:52,710 --> 01:29:53,510 so headlights would become a problem. 1649 01:29:53,550 --> 01:29:55,550 Mr Law had cataracts in both eyes. 1650 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:57,230 Mr Law had cataracts in both eyes. 1651 01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:59,270 One eye was particularly poor. 1652 01:29:59,310 --> 01:29:59,750 One eye was particularly poor. 1653 01:30:01,110 --> 01:30:03,110 It was virtually sort of hand movements or light perception, 1654 01:30:03,150 --> 01:30:04,430 It was virtually sort of hand movements or light perception, 1655 01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:06,470 a very dense cataract. 1656 01:30:06,510 --> 01:30:06,750 a very dense cataract. 1657 01:30:06,790 --> 01:30:08,790 It's frightening that he managed to survive, really, 1658 01:30:08,830 --> 01:30:10,830 It's frightening that he managed to survive, really, 1659 01:30:10,870 --> 01:30:11,430 It's frightening that he managed to survive, really, 1660 01:30:11,470 --> 01:30:13,470 in everyday life with eyesight like that. 1661 01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:14,430 in everyday life with eyesight like that. 1662 01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:15,790 He shouldn't have been driving. 1663 01:30:15,830 --> 01:30:17,830 He shouldn't have been driving for at least a decade 1664 01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:18,150 He shouldn't have been driving for at least a decade 1665 01:30:18,190 --> 01:30:20,190 and probably slightly longer than that, 1666 01:30:20,230 --> 01:30:20,510 and probably slightly longer than that, 1667 01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:22,550 and with the result that it has ended in a fatality. 1668 01:30:22,590 --> 01:30:24,470 and with the result that it has ended in a fatality. 1669 01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:29,270 On speaking to the optometrist that he spoke to 1670 01:30:29,310 --> 01:30:30,430 On speaking to the optometrist that he spoke to 1671 01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:32,470 because of how bad his eyesight was, 1672 01:30:32,510 --> 01:30:34,110 because of how bad his eyesight was, 1673 01:30:34,150 --> 01:30:36,150 they asked him if he was a driver of a vehicle, to which he said no. 1674 01:30:36,190 --> 01:30:37,190 they asked him if he was a driver of a vehicle, to which he said no. 1675 01:30:37,230 --> 01:30:39,230 I think that's probably because 1676 01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:41,270 he feared that he may lose his licence, 1677 01:30:41,310 --> 01:30:42,830 he feared that he may lose his licence, 1678 01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:44,390 hence the reason he lied. 1679 01:30:44,430 --> 01:30:46,430 And unfortunately, he selfishly chose driving, 1680 01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:47,470 And unfortunately, he selfishly chose driving, 1681 01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:49,510 which cost Mrs Ferguson her life. 1682 01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:49,790 which cost Mrs Ferguson her life. 1683 01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:51,830 Obviously, at the moment, we're relying on people to declare 1684 01:30:51,870 --> 01:30:52,950 Obviously, at the moment, we're relying on people to declare 1685 01:30:52,990 --> 01:30:54,990 these medical issues to the DVLA themselves. 1686 01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:56,630 these medical issues to the DVLA themselves. 1687 01:30:56,670 --> 01:30:58,670 And this clearly isn't working, people are choosing to lie, 1688 01:30:58,710 --> 01:30:59,950 And this clearly isn't working, people are choosing to lie, 1689 01:30:59,990 --> 01:31:01,670 people choosing to ignore the advice, 1690 01:31:01,710 --> 01:31:03,710 and that decision just needs taking out of their hands. 1691 01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:03,950 and that decision just needs taking out of their hands. 1692 01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:10,870 Afternoon, sir. Have you got a moment? 1693 01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:12,150 Yeah, sure. 1694 01:31:12,190 --> 01:31:14,190 The prosecution's been completed into the death of Anne Ferguson. 1695 01:31:14,230 --> 01:31:15,110 The prosecution's been completed into the death of Anne Ferguson. 1696 01:31:15,150 --> 01:31:17,150 Driver Vernon Law has been sentenced, 1697 01:31:17,190 --> 01:31:17,830 Driver Vernon Law has been sentenced, 1698 01:31:17,870 --> 01:31:19,870 and obviously, he's got serious eye conditions. 1699 01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:21,030 and obviously, he's got serious eye conditions. 1700 01:31:21,070 --> 01:31:23,070 So similar to the cases we have? Yes, sir, it is. 1701 01:31:23,110 --> 01:31:24,190 So similar to the cases we have? Yes, sir, it is. 1702 01:31:24,230 --> 01:31:26,230 OK. Could you get the police prosecution file, 1703 01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:27,590 OK. Could you get the police prosecution file, 1704 01:31:27,630 --> 01:31:29,630 the judge's sentencing remarks 1705 01:31:29,670 --> 01:31:29,910 the judge's sentencing remarks 1706 01:31:29,950 --> 01:31:31,790 and anything else that might assist us 1707 01:31:31,830 --> 01:31:33,390 in evaluating this case? 1708 01:31:33,430 --> 01:31:35,190 And we'll have a look when it's all together. 1709 01:31:36,350 --> 01:31:38,350 The common factor in these four deaths 1710 01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:39,150 The common factor in these four deaths 1711 01:31:39,190 --> 01:31:41,190 is an older driver with an eyesight problem 1712 01:31:41,230 --> 01:31:42,710 is an older driver with an eyesight problem 1713 01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:44,750 who continues to drive, 1714 01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:45,030 who continues to drive, 1715 01:31:45,070 --> 01:31:47,070 posing risks to all other road users. 1716 01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:47,910 posing risks to all other road users. 1717 01:31:47,950 --> 01:31:49,950 This is likely to not be simply in my area. 1718 01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:51,990 This is likely to not be simply in my area. 1719 01:31:52,030 --> 01:31:52,670 This is likely to not be simply in my area. 1720 01:31:52,710 --> 01:31:54,710 This is replicated across the UK. 1721 01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:55,110 This is replicated across the UK. 1722 01:31:55,150 --> 01:31:57,150 These are significant numbers of people who are dying, 1723 01:31:57,190 --> 01:31:59,190 These are significant numbers of people who are dying, 1724 01:31:59,230 --> 01:32:01,230 and the system that allows these drivers to continue to drive 1725 01:32:01,270 --> 01:32:03,030 and the system that allows these drivers to continue to drive 1726 01:32:03,070 --> 01:32:05,070 needs examination in court. 1727 01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:05,510 needs examination in court. 1728 01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:21,590 NARRATOR: Because Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 1729 01:32:21,630 --> 01:32:22,190 NARRATOR: Because Senior Coroner Dr James Adeley 1730 01:32:22,230 --> 01:32:24,230 is now investigating four deaths 1731 01:32:24,270 --> 01:32:24,830 is now investigating four deaths 1732 01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:26,870 involving drivers with defective eyesight, 1733 01:32:26,910 --> 01:32:27,310 involving drivers with defective eyesight, 1734 01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:29,350 he makes an unusual and important decision - 1735 01:32:29,390 --> 01:32:30,630 he makes an unusual and important decision - 1736 01:32:30,670 --> 01:32:32,670 to bring the cases together in a joint inquest. 1737 01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:33,750 to bring the cases together in a joint inquest. 1738 01:32:35,110 --> 01:32:37,110 {\an8}Deaths of a number of different people 1739 01:32:37,150 --> 01:32:37,430 {\an8}Deaths of a number of different people 1740 01:32:37,470 --> 01:32:39,470 {\an8}in different incidents being combined into one inquest 1741 01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:40,710 {\an8}in different incidents being combined into one inquest 1742 01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:42,550 is actually quite rare. 1743 01:32:42,590 --> 01:32:44,590 The first part of the inquest deals with how these people died, 1744 01:32:44,630 --> 01:32:46,590 The first part of the inquest deals with how these people died, 1745 01:32:46,630 --> 01:32:48,630 the collisions that led to their deaths, 1746 01:32:48,670 --> 01:32:49,510 the collisions that led to their deaths, 1747 01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:51,550 and the eyesight of the specific drivers involved. 1748 01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:52,830 and the eyesight of the specific drivers involved. 1749 01:32:52,870 --> 01:32:54,870 The second part of the inquest deals with the system 1750 01:32:54,910 --> 01:32:56,830 The second part of the inquest deals with the system 1751 01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:58,870 by which drivers' sight is assessed, 1752 01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:59,470 by which drivers' sight is assessed, 1753 01:32:59,510 --> 01:33:01,510 and how safe this is to ensure 1754 01:33:01,550 --> 01:33:02,270 and how safe this is to ensure 1755 01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:04,310 that people who also use the road do not get injured or killed. 1756 01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:06,350 that people who also use the road do not get injured or killed. 1757 01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:06,670 that people who also use the road do not get injured or killed. 1758 01:33:15,190 --> 01:33:17,190 'We can't avoid what we've gone through. 1759 01:33:17,230 --> 01:33:17,470 'We can't avoid what we've gone through. 1760 01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:19,030 'History is history now.' 1761 01:33:20,790 --> 01:33:22,790 But if anything comes out of this that avoids other families having 1762 01:33:22,830 --> 01:33:23,630 But if anything comes out of this that avoids other families having 1763 01:33:23,670 --> 01:33:25,430 to go through the grief, the trauma, 1764 01:33:25,470 --> 01:33:27,110 the emotions that we've gone through 1765 01:33:27,150 --> 01:33:29,150 by losing a parent or a loved one, 1766 01:33:29,190 --> 01:33:29,430 by losing a parent or a loved one, 1767 01:33:29,470 --> 01:33:31,470 then the whole process is worth it from start to finish. 1768 01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:31,710 then the whole process is worth it from start to finish. 1769 01:33:35,150 --> 01:33:37,150 'This current process is not working, 1770 01:33:37,190 --> 01:33:37,950 'This current process is not working, 1771 01:33:37,990 --> 01:33:39,670 'and people are dying.' 1772 01:33:39,710 --> 01:33:41,710 The population is more elderly now, 1773 01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:42,750 The population is more elderly now, 1774 01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:44,790 and unless they get to grips with the process, 1775 01:33:44,830 --> 01:33:46,310 and unless they get to grips with the process, 1776 01:33:46,350 --> 01:33:48,270 there will be more fatalities. 1777 01:33:52,030 --> 01:33:54,030 'It's been a long time coming, 1778 01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:54,470 'It's been a long time coming, 1779 01:33:54,510 --> 01:33:56,510 'and it's about time somebody did something.' 1780 01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:57,270 'and it's about time somebody did something.' 1781 01:33:57,310 --> 01:33:59,310 It's gonna be a long day, a lot to process. 1782 01:33:59,350 --> 01:34:00,030 It's gonna be a long day, a lot to process. 1783 01:34:03,390 --> 01:34:05,390 Hi, my name's Wendy Walker. Hi, Wendy. 1784 01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:05,710 Hi, my name's Wendy Walker. Hi, Wendy. 1785 01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:07,390 I'm here with the Westwell family. Hi. 1786 01:34:07,430 --> 01:34:09,430 {\an8}Hopefully, this inquest will bring that closure, 1787 01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:10,190 {\an8}Hopefully, this inquest will bring that closure, 1788 01:34:10,230 --> 01:34:12,230 and now the family will be able to focus 1789 01:34:12,270 --> 01:34:12,550 and now the family will be able to focus 1790 01:34:12,590 --> 01:34:14,590 on the happy memories of Peter as that hiker and fisherman, 1791 01:34:14,630 --> 01:34:16,110 on the happy memories of Peter as that hiker and fisherman, 1792 01:34:16,150 --> 01:34:18,150 and happier memories for the family to look back on. 1793 01:34:18,190 --> 01:34:18,390 and happier memories for the family to look back on. 1794 01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:22,550 Drivers from the collisions have been called by Dr Adeley 1795 01:34:22,590 --> 01:34:23,950 Drivers from the collisions have been called by Dr Adeley 1796 01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:25,710 to give evidence at court. 1797 01:34:25,750 --> 01:34:27,750 Neil Pemberton, the driver who killed Peter Westwell, 1798 01:34:27,790 --> 01:34:29,350 Neil Pemberton, the driver who killed Peter Westwell, 1799 01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:30,630 appears remotely. 1800 01:34:30,670 --> 01:34:32,670 The driver from the Southport case, Glyn Jones, 1801 01:34:32,710 --> 01:34:33,150 The driver from the Southport case, Glyn Jones, 1802 01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:34,990 is brought in from prison. 1803 01:34:38,230 --> 01:34:40,230 {\an8}This is the man that killed my mum. This is the man that killed Grace. 1804 01:34:40,270 --> 01:34:41,950 {\an8}This is the man that killed my mum. This is the man that killed Grace. 1805 01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:43,990 As a family, how do you face the person that killed your mum? 1806 01:34:44,030 --> 01:34:45,310 As a family, how do you face the person that killed your mum? 1807 01:34:45,350 --> 01:34:47,270 This is gonna be a hard day. 1808 01:35:14,350 --> 01:35:16,350 You accept that at the time of the collision, 1809 01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:17,270 You accept that at the time of the collision, 1810 01:35:17,310 --> 01:35:19,310 your eyesight was beneath that required by the DVLA to drive a car? 1811 01:35:19,350 --> 01:35:21,350 your eyesight was beneath that required by the DVLA to drive a car? 1812 01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:21,630 your eyesight was beneath that required by the DVLA to drive a car? 1813 01:35:21,670 --> 01:35:23,030 Yes. 1814 01:35:23,070 --> 01:35:25,070 You've just been told not to drive. 1815 01:35:25,110 --> 01:35:25,470 You've just been told not to drive. 1816 01:35:25,510 --> 01:35:27,510 Why wouldn't you notify the DVLA 1817 01:35:27,550 --> 01:35:27,830 Why wouldn't you notify the DVLA 1818 01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:29,870 that your sight is so compromised that you can't drive? 1819 01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:31,230 that your sight is so compromised that you can't drive? 1820 01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:33,030 There was no need for me to do that, 1821 01:35:33,070 --> 01:35:35,070 in the way I interpreted the Highway Code. 1822 01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:35,350 in the way I interpreted the Highway Code. 1823 01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:36,990 In terms of this, 1824 01:35:37,030 --> 01:35:39,030 at no point have you been told that you were safe to drive. 1825 01:35:39,070 --> 01:35:40,870 at no point have you been told that you were safe to drive. 1826 01:35:40,910 --> 01:35:42,910 No. As I've said, sir, I made an error of judgment. 1827 01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:44,390 No. As I've said, sir, I made an error of judgment. 1828 01:35:48,750 --> 01:35:50,750 You say that, "I did not suffer with any difficulties 1829 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:52,750 You say that, "I did not suffer with any difficulties 1830 01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:54,790 "with my eyesight prior to the collision." 1831 01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:55,550 "with my eyesight prior to the collision." 1832 01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:57,310 Is that correct? 1833 01:35:57,350 --> 01:35:59,350 That's correct, yeah. 1834 01:35:59,390 --> 01:35:59,630 That's correct, yeah. 1835 01:35:59,670 --> 01:36:01,670 So the fact that you have a retinal detachment 1836 01:36:01,710 --> 01:36:01,990 So the fact that you have a retinal detachment 1837 01:36:02,030 --> 01:36:04,030 with serious implications for your sight, 1838 01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:04,910 with serious implications for your sight, 1839 01:36:04,950 --> 01:36:06,950 and wet macular degeneration, 1840 01:36:06,990 --> 01:36:07,390 and wet macular degeneration, 1841 01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:09,430 you do not consider to be difficulties with your eyesight? 1842 01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:10,990 you do not consider to be difficulties with your eyesight? 1843 01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:12,310 No. 1844 01:36:12,350 --> 01:36:14,350 Your lack of eyesight played no part in this collision? 1845 01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:15,590 Your lack of eyesight played no part in this collision? 1846 01:36:15,630 --> 01:36:17,030 No. 1847 01:36:17,070 --> 01:36:19,070 And your speed played no part in this collision? 1848 01:36:19,110 --> 01:36:20,070 And your speed played no part in this collision? 1849 01:36:20,110 --> 01:36:21,390 No. 1850 01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:28,870 Today just reinforced the fact that people can't be responsible 1851 01:36:28,910 --> 01:36:30,910 Today just reinforced the fact that people can't be responsible 1852 01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:31,230 Today just reinforced the fact that people can't be responsible 1853 01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:33,270 for assessing whether they're safe or not. 1854 01:36:33,310 --> 01:36:33,510 for assessing whether they're safe or not. 1855 01:36:35,190 --> 01:36:37,190 It's amazing how many people actually think 1856 01:36:37,230 --> 01:36:37,510 It's amazing how many people actually think 1857 01:36:37,550 --> 01:36:39,550 that they're OK to drive, and they're simply not. 1858 01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:40,150 that they're OK to drive, and they're simply not. 1859 01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:46,470 A representative from the DVLA - 1860 01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:47,670 A representative from the DVLA - 1861 01:36:47,710 --> 01:36:49,710 the organisation which issues driving licences - 1862 01:36:49,750 --> 01:36:50,510 the organisation which issues driving licences - 1863 01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:52,190 is called to give evidence. 1864 01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:55,390 Do you think self-reporting is working for visual complaints? 1865 01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:57,430 Do you think self-reporting is working for visual complaints? 1866 01:36:57,470 --> 01:36:57,710 Do you think self-reporting is working for visual complaints? 1867 01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:59,750 I think on the whole, it does. 1868 01:36:59,790 --> 01:37:00,270 I think on the whole, it does. 1869 01:37:00,310 --> 01:37:02,310 Yes, I think the vast majority of people 1870 01:37:02,350 --> 01:37:03,150 Yes, I think the vast majority of people 1871 01:37:03,190 --> 01:37:05,190 fulfil their legal obligation to tell us 1872 01:37:05,230 --> 01:37:05,670 fulfil their legal obligation to tell us 1873 01:37:05,710 --> 01:37:07,710 in terms of medical standards, generally, 1874 01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:08,590 in terms of medical standards, generally, 1875 01:37:08,630 --> 01:37:10,590 and vision is included in that. 1876 01:37:10,630 --> 01:37:12,630 And on what do you base that? 1877 01:37:12,670 --> 01:37:12,870 And on what do you base that? 1878 01:37:12,910 --> 01:37:14,910 Well, it's, erm... 1879 01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:15,390 Well, it's, erm... 1880 01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:17,430 Because you've just said you've got no evidence. 1881 01:37:17,470 --> 01:37:17,990 Because you've just said you've got no evidence. 1882 01:37:18,030 --> 01:37:20,030 Well, again, it's a lack of evidence 1883 01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:20,390 Well, again, it's a lack of evidence 1884 01:37:20,430 --> 01:37:22,430 to show that they aren't, if you like. 1885 01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:22,830 to show that they aren't, if you like. 1886 01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:24,870 Well, there's a lack of evidence to show that they are. 1887 01:37:24,910 --> 01:37:25,590 Well, there's a lack of evidence to show that they are. 1888 01:37:25,630 --> 01:37:27,630 You just don't know, do you? 1889 01:37:27,670 --> 01:37:27,910 You just don't know, do you? 1890 01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:29,950 Well, the answer is obviously "Yes, I don't know." 1891 01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:30,790 Well, the answer is obviously "Yes, I don't know." 1892 01:37:30,830 --> 01:37:32,830 Yes, OK. If the question is, 1893 01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:33,110 Yes, OK. If the question is, 1894 01:37:33,150 --> 01:37:35,150 "Do I know that everybody's telling us, 1895 01:37:35,190 --> 01:37:35,790 "Do I know that everybody's telling us, 1896 01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:37,830 "or the vast majority of people that tell us?" 1897 01:37:37,870 --> 01:37:38,190 "or the vast majority of people that tell us?" 1898 01:37:38,230 --> 01:37:40,230 I can't sit here and give you a stack of evidence 1899 01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:41,230 I can't sit here and give you a stack of evidence 1900 01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:43,310 that says they are. 1901 01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:45,350 Don't you think that within a system that relies upon self-reporting, 1902 01:37:45,390 --> 01:37:47,390 Don't you think that within a system that relies upon self-reporting, 1903 01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:48,270 Don't you think that within a system that relies upon self-reporting, 1904 01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:50,310 knowing whether or not it's working, 1905 01:37:50,350 --> 01:37:50,590 knowing whether or not it's working, 1906 01:37:50,630 --> 01:37:52,630 when there are four fatalities in this court alone, 1907 01:37:52,670 --> 01:37:53,630 when there are four fatalities in this court alone, 1908 01:37:53,670 --> 01:37:55,470 would be important? 1909 01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:57,270 Yes. 1910 01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:58,950 And yet you don't. 1911 01:38:01,590 --> 01:38:03,270 After hearing all the evidence, 1912 01:38:03,310 --> 01:38:05,310 Dr Adeley makes it clear for the official record 1913 01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:06,670 Dr Adeley makes it clear for the official record 1914 01:38:06,710 --> 01:38:08,550 that he believes that the system used 1915 01:38:08,590 --> 01:38:10,590 to regulate driving licences should now be re-examined. 1916 01:38:10,630 --> 01:38:12,590 to regulate driving licences should now be re-examined. 1917 01:38:12,630 --> 01:38:14,630 Firstly, a system that continues to grant driving licences 1918 01:38:14,670 --> 01:38:16,670 Firstly, a system that continues to grant driving licences 1919 01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:16,990 Firstly, a system that continues to grant driving licences 1920 01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:19,030 to drivers who were aware of their visual defects, 1921 01:38:19,070 --> 01:38:20,310 to drivers who were aware of their visual defects, 1922 01:38:20,350 --> 01:38:22,350 who go on to cause the death of a person, 1923 01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:22,630 who go on to cause the death of a person, 1924 01:38:22,670 --> 01:38:24,670 is not, in my view, safe, 1925 01:38:24,710 --> 01:38:24,990 is not, in my view, safe, 1926 01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:27,030 as is amply demonstrated by the four deaths in this inquest. 1927 01:38:27,070 --> 01:38:28,830 as is amply demonstrated by the four deaths in this inquest. 1928 01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:30,870 I consider that the current system of self-reporting is ineffective 1929 01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:32,910 I consider that the current system of self-reporting is ineffective 1930 01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:33,430 I consider that the current system of self-reporting is ineffective 1931 01:38:33,470 --> 01:38:35,190 and an unsafe system, 1932 01:38:35,230 --> 01:38:37,230 and unfit to meet the needs of society. 1933 01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:38,310 and unfit to meet the needs of society. 1934 01:38:38,350 --> 01:38:40,350 My condolences are and remain 1935 01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:41,070 My condolences are and remain 1936 01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:43,110 with the families who have lost loved ones 1937 01:38:43,150 --> 01:38:43,470 with the families who have lost loved ones 1938 01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:45,510 due to collisions caused by drivers 1939 01:38:45,550 --> 01:38:46,430 due to collisions caused by drivers 1940 01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:48,470 with each of them knowing that their vision was defective 1941 01:38:48,510 --> 01:38:50,030 with each of them knowing that their vision was defective 1942 01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:52,070 and their inability to see pedestrians 1943 01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:52,470 and their inability to see pedestrians 1944 01:38:52,510 --> 01:38:54,510 resulted in these four deaths. 1945 01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:54,710 resulted in these four deaths. 1946 01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:59,750 There was no reason at all for them to have been run down, you know - 1947 01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:01,390 There was no reason at all for them to have been run down, you know - 1948 01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:03,430 these two women crossed that road every day, once, twice a day. 1949 01:39:03,470 --> 01:39:05,310 these two women crossed that road every day, once, twice a day. 1950 01:39:05,350 --> 01:39:07,350 They were just out, ready to go home. 1951 01:39:07,390 --> 01:39:08,670 They were just out, ready to go home. 1952 01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:13,430 It just shouldn't... just shouldn't have happened. 1953 01:39:13,470 --> 01:39:13,670 It just shouldn't... just shouldn't have happened. 1954 01:39:15,950 --> 01:39:17,310 Sorry. 1955 01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:26,270 Never in the world did I think he couldn't see proper... 1956 01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:28,310 Never in the world did I think he couldn't see proper... 1957 01:39:28,350 --> 01:39:28,550 Never in the world did I think he couldn't see proper... 1958 01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:31,710 ..and he shouldn't have been on the road. 1959 01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:33,750 I mean, how many more accidents could he have caused? 1960 01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:34,710 I mean, how many more accidents could he have caused? 1961 01:39:36,150 --> 01:39:38,150 Surely, it's not just a case of ticking a form off. 1962 01:39:38,190 --> 01:39:39,590 Surely, it's not just a case of ticking a form off. 1963 01:39:39,630 --> 01:39:41,630 They should have to have their eyes tested. 1964 01:39:41,670 --> 01:39:41,910 They should have to have their eyes tested. 1965 01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:43,950 So something has to change. 1966 01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:44,310 So something has to change. 1967 01:39:46,350 --> 01:39:48,350 Mum's beautiful life was taken from us 1968 01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:48,790 Mum's beautiful life was taken from us 1969 01:39:48,830 --> 01:39:50,830 in the most cruel and senseless way. 1970 01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:51,550 in the most cruel and senseless way. 1971 01:39:52,630 --> 01:39:54,630 Our mum and her friend were killed 1972 01:39:54,670 --> 01:39:55,110 Our mum and her friend were killed 1973 01:39:55,150 --> 01:39:57,150 by the selfish, reckless actions of Glyn Jones, 1974 01:39:57,190 --> 01:39:59,190 by the selfish, reckless actions of Glyn Jones, 1975 01:39:59,230 --> 01:40:00,150 by the selfish, reckless actions of Glyn Jones, 1976 01:40:00,190 --> 01:40:02,190 an obnoxious, self-righteous man 1977 01:40:02,230 --> 01:40:03,190 an obnoxious, self-righteous man 1978 01:40:03,230 --> 01:40:05,230 who chose to ignore repeated medical advice 1979 01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:07,230 who chose to ignore repeated medical advice 1980 01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:09,270 telling him that his eyesight failed the legal limit to drive. 1981 01:40:09,310 --> 01:40:11,310 telling him that his eyesight failed the legal limit to drive. 1982 01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:11,550 telling him that his eyesight failed the legal limit to drive. 1983 01:40:12,350 --> 01:40:14,350 This tragedy was not inevitable. It was entirely avoidable. 1984 01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:16,390 This tragedy was not inevitable. It was entirely avoidable. 1985 01:40:16,430 --> 01:40:17,630 This tragedy was not inevitable. It was entirely avoidable. 1986 01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:21,430 People who can't see to drive mustn't be getting behind a wheel. 1987 01:40:21,470 --> 01:40:23,470 People who can't see to drive mustn't be getting behind a wheel. 1988 01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:23,790 People who can't see to drive mustn't be getting behind a wheel. 1989 01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:25,830 The tragic irony of this is that Peter had stopped driving. 1990 01:40:25,870 --> 01:40:27,590 The tragic irony of this is that Peter had stopped driving. 1991 01:40:27,630 --> 01:40:29,630 We probably all know somebody who shouldn't be driving, 1992 01:40:29,670 --> 01:40:30,470 We probably all know somebody who shouldn't be driving, 1993 01:40:30,510 --> 01:40:32,510 and that's the reason that this needs to be regulated. 1994 01:40:32,550 --> 01:40:33,470 and that's the reason that this needs to be regulated. 1995 01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:39,310 The evidence at this inquest suggests 1996 01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:39,590 The evidence at this inquest suggests 1997 01:40:39,630 --> 01:40:41,150 that there is a systemic problem 1998 01:40:41,190 --> 01:40:43,190 where drivers continue to drive who have defective eyesight, 1999 01:40:43,230 --> 01:40:44,910 where drivers continue to drive who have defective eyesight, 2000 01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:46,950 who have been told they should not be driving. 2001 01:40:46,990 --> 01:40:47,350 who have been told they should not be driving. 2002 01:40:47,390 --> 01:40:49,390 In this country, we have a system that allows you 2003 01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:51,030 In this country, we have a system that allows you 2004 01:40:51,070 --> 01:40:53,070 to take a rudimentary sight test aged 17. 2005 01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:54,550 to take a rudimentary sight test aged 17. 2006 01:40:54,590 --> 01:40:56,590 And then there are no checks on your ability to see to drive 2007 01:40:56,630 --> 01:40:58,110 And then there are no checks on your ability to see to drive 2008 01:40:58,150 --> 01:41:00,150 until you are 70, when you self-report 2009 01:41:00,190 --> 01:41:00,710 until you are 70, when you self-report 2010 01:41:00,750 --> 01:41:02,750 that you are still able to reach the standards for driving. 2011 01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:04,470 that you are still able to reach the standards for driving. 2012 01:41:04,510 --> 01:41:06,430 This is clearly unsafe. 2013 01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:08,470 As a result, I will be writing to the Secretary of State for Transport 2014 01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:09,870 As a result, I will be writing to the Secretary of State for Transport 2015 01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:11,910 with a Prevent Future Deaths report, 2016 01:41:11,950 --> 01:41:12,710 with a Prevent Future Deaths report, 2017 01:41:12,750 --> 01:41:14,750 because there is clearly a risk of continuing avoidable deaths, 2018 01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:16,790 because there is clearly a risk of continuing avoidable deaths, 2019 01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:17,110 because there is clearly a risk of continuing avoidable deaths, 2020 01:41:17,150 --> 01:41:19,150 so that someone can review the system and take action. 2021 01:41:19,190 --> 01:41:20,670 so that someone can review the system and take action. 2022 01:41:25,710 --> 01:41:27,710 This has been the most difficult two weeks of your life, 2023 01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:29,030 This has been the most difficult two weeks of your life, 2024 01:41:29,070 --> 01:41:31,070 having to hear decision makers avoid taking ownership and responsibility, 2025 01:41:31,110 --> 01:41:33,110 having to hear decision makers avoid taking ownership and responsibility, 2026 01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:34,470 having to hear decision makers avoid taking ownership and responsibility, 2027 01:41:34,510 --> 01:41:36,510 and looking to an easy route to a solution, 2028 01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:37,590 and looking to an easy route to a solution, 2029 01:41:37,630 --> 01:41:39,630 with unrefutable evidence that the system is broken. 2030 01:41:39,670 --> 01:41:41,350 with unrefutable evidence that the system is broken. 2031 01:41:41,390 --> 01:41:43,390 We don't want to stop people driving. 2032 01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:43,990 We don't want to stop people driving. 2033 01:41:44,030 --> 01:41:46,030 We just want to put steps in place that people can drive safely. 2034 01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:47,470 We just want to put steps in place that people can drive safely. 2035 01:41:52,750 --> 01:41:54,750 LYNN:I think they'd be proud of what we've done. 2036 01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:55,670 LYNN:I think they'd be proud of what we've done. 2037 01:41:55,710 --> 01:41:57,710 My mum would be really proud of us, and we're only doing this for her. 2038 01:41:57,750 --> 01:41:59,750 My mum would be really proud of us, and we're only doing this for her. 2039 01:41:59,790 --> 01:42:00,030 My mum would be really proud of us, and we're only doing this for her.