1 00:00:05,542 --> 00:00:09,083 -Abandoned at birth, prison, dropping out of school. 2 00:00:09,083 --> 00:00:13,083 There's a level of genius there that is amazing. 3 00:00:13,083 --> 00:00:15,208 -He always used to say "I was born dead, 4 00:00:15,208 --> 00:00:17,917 so I had to make a life for myself." 5 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:20,042 -"Live at the Apollo" is one of the most important albums 6 00:00:20,042 --> 00:00:22,875 in the history of recorded music. 7 00:00:22,875 --> 00:00:24,625 -They saw all that money. 8 00:00:24,625 --> 00:00:29,042 They said, if you don't pay us tonight, we're going to walk. 9 00:00:29,042 --> 00:00:31,000 -He was a risk taker. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,250 He gave you sex and protest at the same time. 11 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:37,417 -Say it loud -- I'm black and I'm proud. 12 00:00:37,417 --> 00:00:39,750 -That's one of the most bravest things 13 00:00:39,750 --> 00:00:41,417 that James Brown has ever done. 14 00:00:41,417 --> 00:00:44,375 It's the original Black Lives Matter. 15 00:00:44,375 --> 00:00:47,208 -The Black Panthers pressured James Brown. 16 00:00:47,208 --> 00:00:50,417 If you soul brother number one, then you need to do something 17 00:00:50,417 --> 00:00:52,292 standing for what we're talking about. 18 00:00:52,292 --> 00:00:54,708 -Mr. Brown's endorsement of Richard Nixon, 19 00:00:54,708 --> 00:00:56,083 it was a misstep. 20 00:00:56,083 --> 00:00:57,708 -He said, well, you know what? 21 00:00:57,708 --> 00:00:59,708 Saying these kind of things, you'd be called a Tom. 22 00:00:59,708 --> 00:01:01,417 ♪ 23 00:01:01,417 --> 00:01:08,208 The way I look back, I say, God. How did I get this far? 24 00:01:08,208 --> 00:01:12,875 But I say thank God, and I also thank the people. 25 00:01:12,875 --> 00:01:16,750 ♪ 26 00:01:16,750 --> 00:01:21,833 -James Brown is very invested in black self-determination. 27 00:01:21,833 --> 00:01:24,375 That, for him, was his ethic. 28 00:01:24,375 --> 00:01:26,625 It was his way of being in the world. 29 00:01:26,625 --> 00:01:28,458 -♪ Too funky in here 30 00:01:28,458 --> 00:01:30,208 ♪ Yeah, uh-huh 31 00:01:30,208 --> 00:01:31,958 -You have to judge where somebody's at by 32 00:01:31,958 --> 00:01:34,083 where they came from and the difficulties 33 00:01:34,083 --> 00:01:35,875 that they had to endure to get there. 34 00:01:35,875 --> 00:01:39,250 -♪ Too, funky, funky, yeah -♪ Say it again 35 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:41,500 -We give it to James Brown for laying the concrete, 36 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,583 and then everybody else did their thing on it afterwards. 37 00:01:44,583 --> 00:01:46,125 -♪ My name is Brown 38 00:01:46,125 --> 00:01:49,792 [ Vocalizing ] 39 00:01:49,792 --> 00:01:51,042 ♪ Let's go 40 00:01:51,042 --> 00:01:53,125 -Brown was doing a show in Las Vegas, 41 00:01:53,125 --> 00:01:55,833 and Sylvester Stallone was at the front desk. 42 00:01:55,833 --> 00:01:59,500 And he said to Brown, "You got to be in my movie." 43 00:01:59,500 --> 00:02:03,250 -♪ Disco soul, the hippest thing ♪ 44 00:02:03,250 --> 00:02:06,125 -He dabbled off into other things 45 00:02:06,125 --> 00:02:07,792 because we all tried things, 46 00:02:07,792 --> 00:02:10,375 but it was doing that that caused him a lot of problems. 47 00:02:10,375 --> 00:02:12,208 -♪ Somebody's gonna get a knockdown ♪ 48 00:02:12,208 --> 00:02:15,750 -The violence, the abuse that he caused my mom, 49 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:18,333 I remember it so vividly. 50 00:02:18,333 --> 00:02:20,875 ♪ 51 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:22,333 -He never got over feeling 52 00:02:22,333 --> 00:02:24,250 like anyone really cared and loved him. 53 00:02:24,250 --> 00:02:27,125 He never got over the abandonment. 54 00:02:27,125 --> 00:02:29,167 -There's a lot of missteps in his life, 55 00:02:29,167 --> 00:02:31,250 and there's a lot of genius in his life. 56 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:37,250 For historical purposes, everything can be a lesson, 57 00:02:37,250 --> 00:02:39,208 flaws, warts and all. 58 00:02:39,208 --> 00:02:41,083 -♪ Funky, huh 59 00:02:41,083 --> 00:02:43,417 [ Screams ] 60 00:02:43,417 --> 00:02:46,375 [ Cheers and applause ] 61 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:49,792 -Soul music is the truth. He's telling it like it is. 62 00:02:49,792 --> 00:02:51,417 It's life in the raw. 63 00:02:51,417 --> 00:02:54,500 [ Cheers and applause ] 64 00:02:54,500 --> 00:02:56,500 The black community is -- right now, 65 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:58,458 is the biggest consumer -- 66 00:02:58,458 --> 00:03:01,667 consumer market for entertainment. 67 00:03:01,667 --> 00:03:05,375 50% of the album product in the world is black product. 68 00:03:05,375 --> 00:03:08,833 72% of the single soul are Black singles. 69 00:03:08,833 --> 00:03:12,458 Now, why should the black community perish 70 00:03:12,458 --> 00:03:15,125 when they're supporting everything? 71 00:03:15,125 --> 00:03:17,875 ♪ 72 00:03:17,875 --> 00:03:22,375 -James Brown was always about black capitalism. 73 00:03:22,375 --> 00:03:25,917 You know, you can march and protest all you want to, 74 00:03:25,917 --> 00:03:27,542 but we need some money. 75 00:03:27,542 --> 00:03:30,917 -James Brown, he doesn't get credit for his brilliance. 76 00:03:30,917 --> 00:03:32,208 It's the person, the brain, 77 00:03:32,208 --> 00:03:34,417 the mind that generated the music, 78 00:03:34,417 --> 00:03:36,042 not the other way around. 79 00:03:36,042 --> 00:03:37,542 So he wasn't just a singer and a dancer. 80 00:03:37,542 --> 00:03:41,083 He was a thinker, a philosopher, a builder. 81 00:03:41,083 --> 00:03:42,708 James Brown became the model 82 00:03:42,708 --> 00:03:46,458 of how you could be successful and authentic. 83 00:03:46,458 --> 00:03:51,208 -I want you to know that, only in this country, 84 00:03:51,208 --> 00:03:54,000 the shoeshine boy. can start 85 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,208 from where I started from and be where I am today. 86 00:03:57,208 --> 00:03:59,500 ♪ Here's a dime, boy 87 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,708 ♪ Gimme a shine, boy 88 00:04:01,708 --> 00:04:03,167 [ Screams ] 89 00:04:03,167 --> 00:04:06,583 ♪ Down and out in New York City ♪ 90 00:04:06,583 --> 00:04:09,000 ♪ 91 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,542 -During the Nixon era, 92 00:04:10,542 --> 00:04:14,875 you have Mr. Brown promoting self-determination 93 00:04:14,875 --> 00:04:19,292 and thinking about, well, how can we advance black people? 94 00:04:19,292 --> 00:04:22,375 Post that, you have him doing these soundtracks 95 00:04:22,375 --> 00:04:25,375 for blaxploitation. Well, what is blaxploitation? 96 00:04:25,375 --> 00:04:29,625 It is the anti-hero gaining prominence, 97 00:04:29,625 --> 00:04:31,958 the people who we don't think about -- 98 00:04:31,958 --> 00:04:35,750 the hustlers, the pimps, 99 00:04:35,750 --> 00:04:39,167 all of these characters that he's familiar with, 100 00:04:39,167 --> 00:04:42,542 by the way, from his childhood. 101 00:04:42,542 --> 00:04:44,833 -Let's talk about this one, "The Black Caesar." 102 00:04:44,833 --> 00:04:46,250 -Well, this is the one I had the pleasure of doing 103 00:04:46,250 --> 00:04:47,542 with brother Fred Williams, 104 00:04:47,542 --> 00:04:49,375 and it was just a fantastic thing. 105 00:04:49,375 --> 00:04:51,333 It showed that you could take street music, 106 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:55,458 people music and make it what's happening? 107 00:04:55,458 --> 00:04:58,375 -Those soundtracks were very important 108 00:04:58,375 --> 00:05:00,042 that he was a part of them. 109 00:05:00,042 --> 00:05:02,750 There were not a lot of opportunities for black actors 110 00:05:02,750 --> 00:05:04,208 and black directors, 111 00:05:04,208 --> 00:05:08,042 and blaxploitation films were a medium. 112 00:05:08,042 --> 00:05:09,500 -And you finally get to also 113 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:11,375 have some of the dopest artists of the time -- 114 00:05:11,375 --> 00:05:13,625 you know, Curtis Mayfield with "Superfly," 115 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:15,500 Isaac Hayes with "Shaft." 116 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:17,708 You had James Brown doing "Black Caesar." 117 00:05:17,708 --> 00:05:20,708 So it's just an extension of the black liberation movement 118 00:05:20,708 --> 00:05:23,375 and black freedom struggle that he was already fighting 119 00:05:23,375 --> 00:05:24,958 definitely in the mid to late '60s, 120 00:05:24,958 --> 00:05:27,000 but bleeding over into the '70s. 121 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,208 ♪ 122 00:05:29,208 --> 00:05:30,958 -"The Payback" was actually supposed to be 123 00:05:30,958 --> 00:05:32,625 the third soundtrack. 124 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:36,500 -When the song starts, the first voice that you hear 125 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:42,208 is my voice hitting that high pitch, that high note. 126 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:45,417 ♪ 127 00:05:45,417 --> 00:05:47,875 -"Payback" started out to be the soundtrack 128 00:05:47,875 --> 00:05:50,375 for what was going to be called "Hell Up in Harlem." 129 00:05:50,375 --> 00:05:51,833 -It was turned down from a movie 130 00:05:51,833 --> 00:05:55,333 because I said it wasn't soulful enough. 131 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:58,667 That made me angry, and I put the song out. 132 00:05:58,667 --> 00:06:02,167 ♪ 133 00:06:02,167 --> 00:06:03,750 -♪ Amen 134 00:06:03,750 --> 00:06:05,917 -"The Payback" -- He hit the mother lode on that. 135 00:06:05,917 --> 00:06:08,333 Both the record and the single itself, 136 00:06:08,333 --> 00:06:10,542 "Payback," number ones. 137 00:06:10,542 --> 00:06:14,667 James Brown, most of his singles were R&B-oriented, 138 00:06:14,667 --> 00:06:17,958 so that's where he had the most presence chart-wise 139 00:06:17,958 --> 00:06:20,500 in the Billboard arena. 140 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:22,292 So the chart we call now, 141 00:06:22,292 --> 00:06:24,250 it was R&B songs back in the day. 142 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:26,333 It's called Hot R&B Hip-Hop songs. 143 00:06:26,333 --> 00:06:29,083 He had more than 100 hits on that chart alone, 144 00:06:29,083 --> 00:06:31,083 and 17 of those were number ones. 145 00:06:31,083 --> 00:06:32,458 -The idea that an artist 146 00:06:32,458 --> 00:06:35,583 could consistently reinvent his music 147 00:06:35,583 --> 00:06:37,875 to the point of being considered cutting edge 148 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:40,667 for as long as James Brown did, 149 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:45,542 arguably from the "Apollo" album in 1962 150 00:06:45,542 --> 00:06:48,583 up through "The Big Payback" in '73, 151 00:06:48,583 --> 00:06:51,167 that's unheard of. 152 00:06:51,167 --> 00:06:52,875 -And one thing about James Brown, 153 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:54,542 it's like Coca Cola. 154 00:06:54,542 --> 00:06:57,833 They spell it and say it the same way in every language. 155 00:06:57,833 --> 00:06:59,125 ♪ Hit it 156 00:06:59,125 --> 00:07:02,042 ♪ 157 00:07:02,042 --> 00:07:07,625 -James Brown's marketing and branding was so on point, 158 00:07:07,625 --> 00:07:09,667 and People Records was cool because People Records had 159 00:07:09,667 --> 00:07:11,708 the the purple label People Records, 160 00:07:11,708 --> 00:07:14,208 and then they had the red label People Records. 161 00:07:14,208 --> 00:07:16,708 -The fact that when you bought a James Brown record, 162 00:07:16,708 --> 00:07:19,292 it had his picture on it, it was a James Brown production. 163 00:07:19,292 --> 00:07:21,250 -♪ Look at him, ha 164 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:22,917 -If you think about that blueprint, 165 00:07:22,917 --> 00:07:25,500 that blueprint was the one where there was a bunch of acts, 166 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:28,417 but they were all kind of the same group. 167 00:07:28,417 --> 00:07:30,333 Prince very much did that same thing, 168 00:07:30,333 --> 00:07:32,333 where it was a collective of groups 169 00:07:32,333 --> 00:07:34,500 that were all kind of together. 170 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:37,000 -♪ We're gonna have a funky good time ♪ 171 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,792 -♪ Take 'em up -♪ We gotta take 'em higher 172 00:07:42,792 --> 00:07:44,375 ♪ 173 00:07:44,375 --> 00:07:47,292 ♪ Should we take 'em? Should we take 'em? ♪ 174 00:07:47,292 --> 00:07:49,958 ♪ Hey -♪ Hey 175 00:07:49,958 --> 00:07:53,292 -James Brown always said he was, like, 75% business 176 00:07:53,292 --> 00:07:56,417 and 25% entertainment. 177 00:07:56,417 --> 00:07:58,250 You know, he had a reputation at one point 178 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:04,000 for his business acumen, which became very questionable 179 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,542 with the failure of his radio stations and the restaurant, 180 00:08:07,542 --> 00:08:10,708 some of the other things that he lent his name to. 181 00:08:10,708 --> 00:08:13,000 But if you look at how he built his career 182 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,458 in the music business, 183 00:08:14,458 --> 00:08:17,542 he had a very sharp business acumen, 184 00:08:17,542 --> 00:08:21,625 inspiring audiences to go home after a James Brown show 185 00:08:21,625 --> 00:08:23,292 and tell everybody, "My God, 186 00:08:23,292 --> 00:08:26,542 you got to see this the next time he comes to town." 187 00:08:26,542 --> 00:08:29,583 -James Brown was invited to do the festival in Zaire, 188 00:08:29,583 --> 00:08:33,417 which I kind of nicknamed Woodstock in Africa. 189 00:08:33,417 --> 00:08:35,458 -First of all, we want to thank all the newsmen 190 00:08:35,458 --> 00:08:37,875 for so graciously coming out at this hour 191 00:08:37,875 --> 00:08:41,625 to see the people -- the champion depart for Africa. 192 00:08:41,625 --> 00:08:43,333 Going to meet George Foreman, 193 00:08:43,333 --> 00:08:45,167 and his quest to regain his crown 194 00:08:45,167 --> 00:08:47,375 as the heavyweight champion of the world. 195 00:08:47,375 --> 00:08:49,792 What I want to do is to add a little bit more to this -- 196 00:08:49,792 --> 00:08:52,458 the complimentary proposal we're going to have down there 197 00:08:52,458 --> 00:08:54,042 with a festival that will complement 198 00:08:54,042 --> 00:08:56,542 the greatest sporting event in the history of the world. 199 00:08:56,542 --> 00:08:59,292 Some of the most dynamic performers from Afro-America 200 00:08:59,292 --> 00:09:00,875 will be appearing down there. 201 00:09:00,875 --> 00:09:03,583 It will be James Brown, who is Soul Brother #1, 202 00:09:03,583 --> 00:09:05,000 one of our top leading black artists. 203 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:06,542 -Is he coming? -Yes, James Brown 204 00:09:06,542 --> 00:09:08,208 will be there performing. 205 00:09:08,208 --> 00:09:11,083 -Not only black liberation was happening here in America, 206 00:09:11,083 --> 00:09:14,542 but internationally, you had these countries 207 00:09:14,542 --> 00:09:17,542 that were getting liberation for the first time. 208 00:09:17,542 --> 00:09:19,917 -I always wanted to go to Africa. 209 00:09:19,917 --> 00:09:22,750 Because I want to know where my soul comes from, the heritage. 210 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:24,417 I want to know where it really started. 211 00:09:24,417 --> 00:09:26,292 They say I have so much in common, 212 00:09:26,292 --> 00:09:29,167 my music even got the drum, 213 00:09:29,167 --> 00:09:31,750 uh, syncopation, the movements and the sound. 214 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:34,875 -James Brown liked to have his own people doing his thing, 215 00:09:34,875 --> 00:09:36,875 so of course, I had to go. 216 00:09:36,875 --> 00:09:39,542 He insisted that he have his own engineer 217 00:09:39,542 --> 00:09:41,958 to record his segment of the show. 218 00:09:41,958 --> 00:09:43,875 Prior to getting on the plane, 219 00:09:43,875 --> 00:09:46,792 they had a reception press conference 220 00:09:46,792 --> 00:09:49,458 at the Holiday Inn at Kennedy Airport. 221 00:09:49,458 --> 00:09:51,208 So we all went there. 222 00:09:51,208 --> 00:09:53,750 -It's obvious answer, but I mean, you, of all people, 223 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:57,167 most respected American in Africa, 224 00:09:57,167 --> 00:09:58,875 going to Africa. -No, I -- 225 00:09:58,875 --> 00:10:00,917 You're respected, but, you know -- come on now, 226 00:10:00,917 --> 00:10:02,292 you know where that's at, you know. 227 00:10:02,292 --> 00:10:06,792 -We got on this chartered flight to go to Africa, 228 00:10:06,792 --> 00:10:08,208 the Pointer Sisters, 229 00:10:08,208 --> 00:10:12,375 the Isley Brothers, Bill Withers, B.B. King. 230 00:10:12,375 --> 00:10:15,875 Talk about a plane packed full of interesting people. 231 00:10:15,875 --> 00:10:18,458 -Some beautiful ladies, too. 232 00:10:18,458 --> 00:10:21,375 ♪ 233 00:10:21,375 --> 00:10:22,667 -♪ Here I come 234 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:26,375 ♪ Baby, here I come 235 00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:27,708 -This is the Rumble in the Jungle, 236 00:10:27,708 --> 00:10:28,917 biggest fight in the world. 237 00:10:28,917 --> 00:10:30,875 -They had postponed the fight 238 00:10:30,875 --> 00:10:34,500 because Foreman got cut during training, 239 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:36,125 but they did the music festival. 240 00:10:36,125 --> 00:10:39,792 -There were about 100,000 people in the stadium. 241 00:10:39,792 --> 00:10:44,292 And when James Brown hit that stage, 242 00:10:44,292 --> 00:10:47,042 the stadium erupted. 243 00:10:47,042 --> 00:10:49,667 -[ Whistles ] First of all, let's just talk about Zaire. 244 00:10:49,667 --> 00:10:52,042 Like, his live performance in Zaire 245 00:10:52,042 --> 00:10:56,833 when he entered the stage and like, yo, that... 246 00:10:56,833 --> 00:11:00,625 [ Cheers and applause ] 247 00:11:00,625 --> 00:11:04,542 ♪ Get down, my girlfriend 248 00:11:04,542 --> 00:11:07,208 And then he starts doing the splits. 249 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:09,625 -♪ Uh 250 00:11:09,625 --> 00:11:12,333 ♪ Payback is a thing you got to see ♪ 251 00:11:12,333 --> 00:11:13,542 ♪ 252 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:15,333 ♪ Yeah 253 00:11:15,333 --> 00:11:18,208 ♪ You'll never do any damn thing to me ♪ 254 00:11:18,208 --> 00:11:21,167 -It was the best thing ever. The outfit, bananas. 255 00:11:21,167 --> 00:11:23,875 Must -- Yo -- [ Laughs ] 256 00:11:23,875 --> 00:11:25,500 Yo, he killed that joint. 257 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:29,542 That's one of my favorite performances, period. 258 00:11:29,542 --> 00:11:30,958 -♪ I can't stand it 259 00:11:30,958 --> 00:11:33,583 ♪ Ooh, can't stand your love 260 00:11:33,583 --> 00:11:35,375 -People began to go back and forth 261 00:11:35,375 --> 00:11:37,750 in this awakening of Africa being your home, 262 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:41,125 and it excited everybody and excited the times. 263 00:11:41,125 --> 00:11:45,333 He took black American culture all over the planet. 264 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:47,917 You know, he reintroduced it to Africa. 265 00:11:47,917 --> 00:11:50,292 -He had those guys over there, you know, 266 00:11:50,292 --> 00:11:52,708 trying to get as black as James Brown. 267 00:11:52,708 --> 00:11:54,875 He made Africans want to be blacker. 268 00:11:54,875 --> 00:11:56,125 Like, think about that. 269 00:11:56,125 --> 00:11:59,708 -♪ When I say hit it, hit it ♪ 270 00:11:59,708 --> 00:12:02,625 ♪ When I say quit it, quit it ♪ 271 00:12:02,625 --> 00:12:04,042 ♪ Hit it now 272 00:12:04,042 --> 00:12:05,542 ♪ 273 00:12:05,542 --> 00:12:08,958 [ Screams ] 274 00:12:08,958 --> 00:12:11,667 -If I speak for Africa itself, I think Africa is doing 275 00:12:11,667 --> 00:12:15,083 what we should have been doing long ago. 276 00:12:15,083 --> 00:12:18,167 They're coming into themselves, and they want to be independent. 277 00:12:18,167 --> 00:12:21,458 Because unless you can control your own destiny, 278 00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:24,667 then you really don't have a chance to live very comfortable. 279 00:12:24,667 --> 00:12:26,417 -I ain't got much to say. 280 00:12:26,417 --> 00:12:30,375 The only thing I got to say is it's been a long time coming. 281 00:12:30,375 --> 00:12:31,917 Now here's the payback. 282 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:34,500 And remember, as long as you live. 283 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,042 Papa don't take no mess. 284 00:12:41,708 --> 00:12:43,208 -I know he thinks I'm in. -Somebody say, "Hey. 285 00:12:43,208 --> 00:12:45,792 There goes J.B." 286 00:12:45,792 --> 00:12:49,208 As long as I've been around and as clean as I am, 287 00:12:49,208 --> 00:12:52,208 if you don't know me by now, you never will. 288 00:12:52,208 --> 00:12:54,792 -You just don't know. -We have to document our heroes. 289 00:12:54,792 --> 00:12:58,375 We have to chronicle their journeys, you know, 290 00:12:58,375 --> 00:13:00,042 good, bad, or indifferent, 291 00:13:00,042 --> 00:13:02,542 regardless of what happened throughout their life. 292 00:13:02,542 --> 00:13:06,667 Because whatever happened to them, they put into their art. 293 00:13:06,667 --> 00:13:08,292 ♪ 294 00:13:08,292 --> 00:13:09,750 -Can I get down on Papa? 295 00:13:09,750 --> 00:13:11,875 [ Crowd shouting ] 296 00:13:11,875 --> 00:13:13,667 ♪ Papa didn't cuss 297 00:13:13,667 --> 00:13:16,625 ♪ He didn't raise a whole lot of fuss ♪ 298 00:13:16,625 --> 00:13:18,792 ♪ But when we did it wrong, say it ♪ 299 00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:21,208 -♪ Papa beat the hell out of us ♪ 300 00:13:21,208 --> 00:13:23,250 -And that's just like we said it. 301 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:25,625 -He wrote the song "Papa Don't Take No mess." 302 00:13:25,625 --> 00:13:27,333 I lived it. 303 00:13:27,333 --> 00:13:33,375 Now, I went to college, but my best life's lessons 304 00:13:33,375 --> 00:13:37,042 Was when I was on the road with my father. 305 00:13:37,042 --> 00:13:38,875 And I could hear him, 306 00:13:38,875 --> 00:13:41,875 how he talked to different people 307 00:13:41,875 --> 00:13:45,333 and how he wanted his business taken care of. 308 00:13:45,333 --> 00:13:46,833 I learned a lot 309 00:13:46,833 --> 00:13:50,958 while I was putting those rollers in his hair. 310 00:13:50,958 --> 00:13:54,417 -Well, Mom was a homemaker. She wasn't in the business. 311 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:58,042 And she was happy raising her two daughters 312 00:13:58,042 --> 00:14:02,042 And being Mrs. James Brown, period. 313 00:14:02,042 --> 00:14:05,583 I had my own pony. [ Laughs ] 314 00:14:05,583 --> 00:14:08,042 The pony's name was Sugar. 315 00:14:08,042 --> 00:14:10,125 I was born in Augusta, Georgia, 316 00:14:10,125 --> 00:14:12,958 but dad was in Japan when I was born 317 00:14:12,958 --> 00:14:16,792 and he enjoyed the name Mount Fujiyama. 318 00:14:16,792 --> 00:14:18,542 He changed the spelling a little bit, 319 00:14:18,542 --> 00:14:20,833 put two "M"s instead of one. 320 00:14:20,833 --> 00:14:23,167 Yamma, the name, came from Dad, 321 00:14:23,167 --> 00:14:26,000 directly from the Godfather himself. 322 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,917 He was so serious most of the time. 323 00:14:27,917 --> 00:14:30,875 Like, he would always get on me about my hair 324 00:14:30,875 --> 00:14:32,500 when I was a kid. 325 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:35,250 And just like, "What are you doing with your hair? 326 00:14:35,250 --> 00:14:36,792 You look a mess right now." [ Laughs ] 327 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:39,042 It's just like, really? You gonna call me out 328 00:14:39,042 --> 00:14:42,542 in front of everybody? 329 00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:47,375 -We lived in a part of Augusta that was old money, 330 00:14:47,375 --> 00:14:49,042 up on the hill. 331 00:14:49,042 --> 00:14:51,083 Black people couldn't live there. 332 00:14:51,083 --> 00:14:54,042 We were the first African American family. 333 00:14:54,042 --> 00:14:56,833 -They moved into a house up on Walton Way. 334 00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:58,917 I don't think people were put out at all. 335 00:14:58,917 --> 00:15:00,292 There might have been some conversation 336 00:15:00,292 --> 00:15:02,042 at the "country club" or somewhere, 337 00:15:02,042 --> 00:15:06,208 but I don't recall hearing any conversation about, 338 00:15:06,208 --> 00:15:07,667 you know, "This is terrible. This is horrible. 339 00:15:07,667 --> 00:15:09,375 He's got to go." 340 00:15:09,375 --> 00:15:11,708 ♪ 341 00:15:11,708 --> 00:15:15,375 -During Christmas, people would come from everywhere, 342 00:15:15,375 --> 00:15:19,292 black and white, to see the decorations. 343 00:15:19,292 --> 00:15:24,250 Couldn't go outside and socialize with the people, 344 00:15:24,250 --> 00:15:26,208 but I was peeping out the window. 345 00:15:26,208 --> 00:15:29,500 A few years back, a Caucasian woman told me, 346 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:35,375 she says, "I remember coming to y'all's house during Christmas," 347 00:15:35,375 --> 00:15:41,208 and that was the first time she ever saw Black Santa Claus. 348 00:15:41,208 --> 00:15:46,625 Dad introduced a black Santa Claus in the Deep South. 349 00:15:46,625 --> 00:15:53,250 -♪ Santa Claus goes straight to the ghetto ♪ 350 00:15:53,250 --> 00:15:57,667 -My mom was gorgeous. They really were truly in love. 351 00:15:57,667 --> 00:15:59,333 I loved seeing them like that 352 00:15:59,333 --> 00:16:01,042 because it wasn't always like that. 353 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:08,917 -His father beat his mom, and he used to get beat, too, 354 00:16:08,917 --> 00:16:10,125 really bad. 355 00:16:10,125 --> 00:16:12,375 And when you see that, 356 00:16:12,375 --> 00:16:16,375 and you think that that's what love looks like 357 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:19,042 or that's the only love that you know, 358 00:16:19,042 --> 00:16:20,875 then that's how you're going to express it. 359 00:16:20,875 --> 00:16:23,250 -You spend your whole life, you know, doing something, 360 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:26,083 and you still wind up paying dues, from the day you're born 361 00:16:26,083 --> 00:16:28,625 to the day you die and -- -What are you talking about? 362 00:16:28,625 --> 00:16:30,375 -You know, and you get on your knees every night 363 00:16:30,375 --> 00:16:32,500 and you pray and you do all those different things, 364 00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:33,875 and you go and worship at your church 365 00:16:33,875 --> 00:16:35,417 or your temple or what have you, 366 00:16:35,417 --> 00:16:39,208 and you still wind up doing the same thing. 367 00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:42,625 -James Brown was never taught how to be a son, a father, 368 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:44,167 or a husband. 369 00:16:44,167 --> 00:16:48,625 He didn't have those examples to fall back on. 370 00:16:48,625 --> 00:16:52,375 -I would explain to James, you got to cool it. 371 00:16:52,375 --> 00:16:57,042 You know, you got to stop with this domestic stuff. 372 00:16:57,042 --> 00:16:58,917 But he would tell me, "Jack, 373 00:16:58,917 --> 00:17:00,333 you're looking out for my welfare, 374 00:17:00,333 --> 00:17:03,083 but stay out of my domestic affairs." 375 00:17:03,083 --> 00:17:04,958 And I did. 376 00:17:04,958 --> 00:17:06,875 -I grew up, of course, seeing the love, 377 00:17:06,875 --> 00:17:11,792 but also seeing the hurt that he caused my mom by abusing her. 378 00:17:11,792 --> 00:17:16,458 -Masculinity in America, period, has been made a toxic thing. 379 00:17:16,458 --> 00:17:21,542 Our efforts to imitate what we think manhood is, 380 00:17:21,542 --> 00:17:23,917 based on the definitions that we've been given, 381 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:27,375 has always been a detriment to our families 382 00:17:27,375 --> 00:17:30,000 and the women in our community, particularly. 383 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,750 -I came from nothing out of a life of fighting 384 00:17:34,750 --> 00:17:38,083 and a life of trying to survive. 385 00:17:38,083 --> 00:17:39,958 -If you're in a survival state, 386 00:17:39,958 --> 00:17:41,750 who do you take your angst out on? 387 00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:44,250 The people closest to you. 388 00:17:44,250 --> 00:17:49,750 -I remember being like 5 or 6 and just thinking, 389 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:51,625 "I can't take it anymore." 390 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:55,542 Like, and you hear about this where, you know, people's kids 391 00:17:55,542 --> 00:18:01,042 stand up to their parents abuser before the parent will. 392 00:18:01,042 --> 00:18:02,667 Oh, I remember it clear as day, 393 00:18:02,667 --> 00:18:06,333 the last time I ever saw him abuse my mom. 394 00:18:06,333 --> 00:18:10,667 Um, [laughs] my mom had on a blue and white robe, 395 00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:14,542 and he literally was screaming and hollering at her 396 00:18:14,542 --> 00:18:16,375 and hitting her, and she was crying. 397 00:18:16,375 --> 00:18:18,875 And I just remember going over there 398 00:18:18,875 --> 00:18:21,750 and trying to pull him off of her. 399 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:26,833 And the look that he gave me was like, who is this person? 400 00:18:26,833 --> 00:18:28,042 But it didn't even matter to me 401 00:18:28,042 --> 00:18:30,167 because at that moment I was like, 402 00:18:30,167 --> 00:18:31,792 I'm just trying to protect my mother. 403 00:18:31,792 --> 00:18:37,250 But it was enough for him to look at me and, like, 404 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:39,042 Kind of, "What am I doing?" 405 00:18:39,042 --> 00:18:43,333 -♪ Oh, I wish that I could take back ♪ 406 00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:47,375 ♪ All the things I've done to hurt you ♪ 407 00:18:47,375 --> 00:18:52,417 ♪ I didn't mean to be so cruel 408 00:18:52,417 --> 00:18:54,375 ♪ 409 00:18:54,375 --> 00:18:58,042 ♪ And yet, I know I've been selfish ♪ 410 00:18:58,042 --> 00:19:04,167 ♪ At a time, a jealous fool 411 00:19:04,167 --> 00:19:07,417 -Mom and Dad were married for ten years. 412 00:19:07,417 --> 00:19:12,750 They separated because of domestic violence. 413 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:18,083 My mother had that experience with my father, 414 00:19:18,083 --> 00:19:22,958 and she left because of those reasons. 415 00:19:22,958 --> 00:19:26,792 -Once I got married and thought about what marriage 416 00:19:26,792 --> 00:19:29,292 meant and your responsibilities, 417 00:19:29,292 --> 00:19:31,583 and then I just thought of him different. 418 00:19:31,583 --> 00:19:35,208 You know, it just always wasn't the best feeling of thinking 419 00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:37,208 about your dad, like, on one aspect, 420 00:19:37,208 --> 00:19:40,208 you knew he was this amazing genius and great talent 421 00:19:40,208 --> 00:19:41,208 you knew he was this amazing genius and great talent 422 00:19:41,458 --> 00:19:43,583 and had so much and gave so much to the world. 423 00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:46,917 But then on the other hand, he was this broken individual 424 00:19:46,917 --> 00:19:50,375 that saw something growing up, saw his mom get abused. 425 00:19:50,375 --> 00:19:52,583 I mean, now it's easier to process. 426 00:19:52,583 --> 00:19:54,333 But the five, six year old Yamma? 427 00:19:54,333 --> 00:19:56,667 Uh-uh, no. He was public enemy number one. 428 00:20:02,375 --> 00:20:03,583 -We had had a good run in in '74-'75. 429 00:20:03,583 --> 00:20:04,708 We had a great run. He was on top. 430 00:20:04,708 --> 00:20:06,333 We had million sellers. 431 00:20:06,333 --> 00:20:08,542 We had number one records left and right. 432 00:20:08,542 --> 00:20:12,500 '76, disco hit. 433 00:20:12,500 --> 00:20:15,208 ♪ 434 00:20:15,208 --> 00:20:18,083 ♪ It takes a lot to make a lot ♪ 435 00:20:18,083 --> 00:20:21,625 -♪ Oh, yeah -♪ You can't get it free 436 00:20:21,625 --> 00:20:24,042 -♪ No -It's such an interesting time, 437 00:20:24,042 --> 00:20:25,250 especially in New York. 438 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:26,333 There's everything happening. 439 00:20:26,333 --> 00:20:27,583 You've got punk happening, 440 00:20:27,583 --> 00:20:29,917 disco happening, all getting mixed up. 441 00:20:29,917 --> 00:20:33,167 A lot of other people were sort of left behind in this 442 00:20:33,167 --> 00:20:38,000 because this was a huge change, sea change in the musical scene. 443 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,458 -I'm the one who started disco. 444 00:20:39,458 --> 00:20:41,750 Disco is really the vamp of a soul record. 445 00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:43,875 Like at the very end, you started doing a repeat 446 00:20:43,875 --> 00:20:46,208 of the things, that's what disco's about. 447 00:20:46,208 --> 00:20:48,333 -That repetitive nature of disco 448 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:51,500 that definitely was influenced by James. 449 00:20:51,500 --> 00:20:53,250 Those grooves -- you think about the things 450 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:55,625 that the Bee Gees would try to do, 451 00:20:55,625 --> 00:20:57,333 you know, jive talk, all them different things. 452 00:20:57,333 --> 00:20:59,458 You know that comes from James. 453 00:20:59,458 --> 00:21:01,250 -You look on, you see "Saturday Night Fever," 454 00:21:01,250 --> 00:21:03,125 you see all the disco shows, 455 00:21:03,125 --> 00:21:04,542 you'll see the percussion of James Brown, 456 00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:06,333 things that I got tired of doing. 457 00:21:06,333 --> 00:21:08,792 -By the '70s, you had a lot of James Brown copycats. 458 00:21:08,792 --> 00:21:11,000 The style was already everywhere. 459 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,500 -James Brown's genius sort of got used and eaten up 460 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:16,750 and borrowed by every other band. 461 00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:20,542 -He got frustrated when other artists 462 00:21:20,542 --> 00:21:22,208 that were influenced by him 463 00:21:22,208 --> 00:21:25,042 started to make records that sounded like him. 464 00:21:25,042 --> 00:21:26,708 When you think about "Fame," 465 00:21:26,708 --> 00:21:29,208 it sounds like a James Brown record with David Bowie singing. 466 00:21:29,208 --> 00:21:30,667 -♪ Fame, fame 467 00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:34,292 ♪ What you need you have to borrow ♪ 468 00:21:34,292 --> 00:21:36,375 -In his career, when all these other artists 469 00:21:36,375 --> 00:21:38,167 were making records that kind of sounded 470 00:21:38,167 --> 00:21:39,708 like James Brown records, 471 00:21:39,708 --> 00:21:42,458 or at least there was a solid influence from that, 472 00:21:42,458 --> 00:21:44,292 he would get annoyed, 473 00:21:44,292 --> 00:21:48,875 and then he would try to make a record to outdo that record. 474 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:53,708 -♪ This morning I woke up all in heat ♪ 475 00:21:53,708 --> 00:21:58,458 ♪ Couldn't find no dry spot from my head down to my feet ♪ 476 00:21:58,458 --> 00:22:01,083 -James Brown is on a mission at this point, in the '70s, 477 00:22:01,083 --> 00:22:05,667 going into the 80s, like, all right, these boys is coming. 478 00:22:05,667 --> 00:22:07,500 I done gave them the blueprint. 479 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:10,042 They adding on, you know. They breaking walls 480 00:22:10,042 --> 00:22:11,667 and they doing their thing. 481 00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:15,042 And technology was also, you know, starting to push. 482 00:22:15,042 --> 00:22:17,625 -James Brown himself was trying to catch up with disco. 483 00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:20,083 You know, he was trying to be the original disco man 484 00:22:20,083 --> 00:22:21,625 and all those things. 485 00:22:21,625 --> 00:22:24,208 It was sort of like a creative arrested development. 486 00:22:24,208 --> 00:22:27,750 -They do their things. -[ Laughs ] 487 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:30,208 [ Laughter ] 488 00:22:30,208 --> 00:22:34,875 -Okay. That's good, that's good. 489 00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:38,625 I know when my parents were 45, they could not do that. 490 00:22:38,625 --> 00:22:42,500 -James was still really huge in Europe and Africa. 491 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:44,625 He just wasn't doing as big in America. 492 00:22:44,625 --> 00:22:46,708 So he had a lot of free time, 493 00:22:46,708 --> 00:22:49,792 and James would just pop up everywhere. 494 00:22:49,792 --> 00:22:52,708 I went to an afternoon movie one time, 495 00:22:52,708 --> 00:22:54,750 and there was James sitting around the front of me, 496 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:56,667 and there was hardly nobody else in the theater, 497 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,250 and he turned around and talked to me most of the time. 498 00:22:59,250 --> 00:23:02,208 -He was having trouble making hit records. 499 00:23:02,208 --> 00:23:03,708 When he got to that dry spell, 500 00:23:03,708 --> 00:23:05,875 and we were still spending a lot of money recording, 501 00:23:05,875 --> 00:23:09,917 the record company decided to cut back on his budgets. 502 00:23:09,917 --> 00:23:13,375 -He had, simultaneously to all of this, 503 00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:18,833 developed some serious IRS problems with back taxes 504 00:23:18,833 --> 00:23:21,250 that were accruing interest and penalties 505 00:23:21,250 --> 00:23:24,000 and were well into seven figures. 506 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,750 -This is all that's left of the old WRDW radio studios, 507 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:30,917 where Brown sat as a young boy outside and shined shoes. 508 00:23:30,917 --> 00:23:32,833 When he became more famous and wealthy, 509 00:23:32,833 --> 00:23:35,750 he bought the AM radio station, only years later to have it, 510 00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:38,083 along with eight acres of personal property, 511 00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:39,875 sold at a public auction. 512 00:23:39,875 --> 00:23:43,375 -Look, if you make $100,000 and spend $90,000 513 00:23:43,375 --> 00:23:45,208 in your business, how you going to owe tax? 514 00:23:45,208 --> 00:23:46,667 After I get all the tax shelters I can, 515 00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,458 all the deductions I can, 516 00:23:48,458 --> 00:23:49,625 because I'm putting my money back in the business 517 00:23:49,625 --> 00:23:51,917 and back in people. 518 00:23:51,917 --> 00:23:56,417 -He hired some good and some bad accountants. 519 00:23:56,417 --> 00:23:59,125 Went out on the road. 520 00:23:59,125 --> 00:24:01,708 Payment was always in cash. 521 00:24:01,708 --> 00:24:06,583 When you're handling cash, you think all that money is yours. 522 00:24:06,583 --> 00:24:09,208 Even though it's cash, you still have to take care 523 00:24:09,208 --> 00:24:11,000 of the government and everyone else. 524 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,792 -The first time I ever had a conversation 525 00:24:12,792 --> 00:24:16,458 with Eddie Murphy, Eddie Murphy tells me the story 526 00:24:16,458 --> 00:24:19,417 that when he first met James Brown, 527 00:24:19,417 --> 00:24:21,208 the first thing that James Brown told him, 528 00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:24,125 he was like, "Yeah, I see you're making a lot of money there." 529 00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:26,250 He said, "This is what you do -- get you a big, 530 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:33,375 giant plot of land and then bury about 5 to $10 million." 531 00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:35,542 [ Laughs ] 532 00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:36,958 And Eddie Murphy's trying to figure out 533 00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:38,417 the logic behind this. 534 00:24:38,417 --> 00:24:39,708 He said, "What if I died? 535 00:24:39,708 --> 00:24:41,458 No one's going to be able to find it." 536 00:24:41,458 --> 00:24:43,208 And James Brown's like, that's right, 537 00:24:43,208 --> 00:24:44,792 and neither will the government. 538 00:24:44,792 --> 00:24:48,417 -♪ I'm paying taxes, but what am I buying? ♪ 539 00:24:48,417 --> 00:24:53,000 ♪ A whole lot of government muscle and everybody crying ♪ 540 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,292 -His musical career also suffered for seven years 541 00:24:56,292 --> 00:24:57,792 during the late '70s and early '80s, 542 00:24:57,792 --> 00:24:59,875 when he failed to produce any gold records, 543 00:24:59,875 --> 00:25:03,542 touring only rarely and butting heads with IRS officials, 544 00:25:03,542 --> 00:25:07,542 who claim he owed $2.82 million in back taxes. 545 00:25:07,542 --> 00:25:10,708 -Our superstar black entertainers, 546 00:25:10,708 --> 00:25:14,250 they have a harder road than most entertainers 547 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:16,125 outside of the black experience. 548 00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,750 They go through a gauntlet of things, learning about business, 549 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:21,583 learning about their craft, 550 00:25:21,583 --> 00:25:25,750 learning about the people around them as they go. 551 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:27,792 -Today, I can do a lot of things. 552 00:25:27,792 --> 00:25:30,833 Financial problems, I really don't have them individually. 553 00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:33,875 But I'm in companies, a lot of things I don't understand. 554 00:25:33,875 --> 00:25:35,583 And I'm still fighting because I believe, 555 00:25:35,583 --> 00:25:38,500 because I trust, because I went back to God, 556 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:41,542 because I believe that there's somebody who made that happen. 557 00:25:41,542 --> 00:25:43,250 I'm not gr-great enough to make it happen. 558 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:46,958 So I'm telling you, it can't happen unless you believe. 559 00:25:46,958 --> 00:25:51,542 So America, I say to you this way. 560 00:25:51,542 --> 00:25:56,042 If you fail me now, then who can I turn to? 561 00:26:01,458 --> 00:26:02,708 -James Brown was one of those people 562 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:04,000 that you weren't going to keep down. 563 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,083 No matter what happened to him in life, 564 00:26:06,083 --> 00:26:11,792 he had that determination to get up, try again. 565 00:26:11,792 --> 00:26:13,792 -Now, this is the new album. Now tell me how this came about. 566 00:26:13,792 --> 00:26:16,042 You went to Japan? -Well, I just finished doing 567 00:26:16,042 --> 00:26:18,875 "The Blues Brothers," right, with John Belushi. 568 00:26:18,875 --> 00:26:20,917 -You highlighted that film. -I love -- 569 00:26:20,917 --> 00:26:22,875 -Come on, be honest now. That was the highlight. 570 00:26:22,875 --> 00:26:25,417 -Praise God. -All right, all right. 571 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:28,333 Don't be lost when the time comes. 572 00:26:28,333 --> 00:26:34,375 For the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night. 573 00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:37,292 -When my father did the movie "The Blues Brothers," 574 00:26:37,292 --> 00:26:39,208 he was a natural. 575 00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:41,625 I mean, I can't say it no simpler than that. 576 00:26:41,625 --> 00:26:46,625 He was a natural because he did the role of a pastor, 577 00:26:46,625 --> 00:26:49,042 which was amazing because he grew up 578 00:26:49,042 --> 00:26:51,500 and performed in a lot of black churches. 579 00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:53,708 -It was just right up his alley, 580 00:26:53,708 --> 00:26:56,708 you know, it's just -- it was the perfect fit for him, 581 00:26:56,708 --> 00:26:58,583 not just the film, and the role, 582 00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:01,042 but just in expressing himself. 583 00:27:01,042 --> 00:27:06,500 And very, very thankful to Dan Aykroyd for believing 584 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:09,917 that he could have a place and understanding who he was, 585 00:27:09,917 --> 00:27:11,875 and, you know, what that meant for the film 586 00:27:11,875 --> 00:27:15,375 and all of that stuff, and just taking a chance on him. 587 00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:17,958 -His current national popularity 588 00:27:17,958 --> 00:27:20,333 came about mostly because of his short appearance 589 00:27:20,333 --> 00:27:21,833 in "The Blues Brothers" movie. 590 00:27:21,833 --> 00:27:23,500 -I'm glad because I'm broadening my scope, 591 00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,000 and this is good for me 592 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,542 because I'll be able to talk to everybody 593 00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:30,667 and hopefully I can give some sound advice. 594 00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:33,250 And thanks to John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd, 595 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:34,792 they did a lot for me. 596 00:27:34,792 --> 00:27:39,125 -Right now, if you're to ask about James Brown, 597 00:27:39,125 --> 00:27:42,417 I would guarantee you that there's a certain generation 598 00:27:42,417 --> 00:27:44,792 that holds him near and dear, 599 00:27:44,792 --> 00:27:47,583 their experience with him being like the preacher 600 00:27:47,583 --> 00:27:49,167 in "The Blues Brothers." 601 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:50,917 -In the 1980s, 602 00:27:50,917 --> 00:27:54,417 when I grew up, I didn't really know James Brown's music. 603 00:27:54,417 --> 00:27:57,875 Like, I knew James Brown primarily 604 00:27:57,875 --> 00:27:59,542 through Michael Jackson and Prince, 605 00:27:59,542 --> 00:28:01,792 and they would often make reference back to James Brown, 606 00:28:01,792 --> 00:28:03,875 or people would talk about James Brown 607 00:28:03,875 --> 00:28:06,458 being the progenitor of those two artists. 608 00:28:06,458 --> 00:28:08,500 I also knew him through Eddie Murphy, 609 00:28:08,500 --> 00:28:11,500 because Eddie Murphy would imitate him. 610 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:15,750 -Ha, ha! I say, ha! Look at that! Ha! 611 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:18,583 -But the other way I knew him was through "Rocky IV." 612 00:28:18,583 --> 00:28:21,875 ♪ 613 00:28:21,875 --> 00:28:23,917 -Sylvester Stallone said to Brown, 614 00:28:23,917 --> 00:28:26,208 "I'm making 'Rocky IV.' I want you to do a song." 615 00:28:26,208 --> 00:28:28,583 You're Sylvester Stallone, Rocky. Who's bigger than you? 616 00:28:28,583 --> 00:28:31,542 That's James Brown, that's a legend. 617 00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:34,042 -♪ Living in America 618 00:28:34,042 --> 00:28:35,375 Sing it. 619 00:28:35,375 --> 00:28:37,333 ♪ Eye to eye 620 00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:39,333 ♪ Station to station 621 00:28:39,333 --> 00:28:42,000 ♪ Living in America 622 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000 -The first time I heard James Brown, 623 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,083 I must have been maybe 7 or 8, 624 00:28:46,083 --> 00:28:49,583 and it was the song from "Rocky," "Living in America." 625 00:28:49,583 --> 00:28:51,208 As immigrants to this country, 626 00:28:51,208 --> 00:28:54,458 you think about what does it mean to live in America, 627 00:28:54,458 --> 00:28:55,875 even when you're a little kid. 628 00:28:55,875 --> 00:28:58,792 It almost became, like, my theme song. 629 00:28:58,792 --> 00:29:02,417 -♪ I live in America 630 00:29:02,417 --> 00:29:05,833 ♪ 631 00:29:05,833 --> 00:29:07,708 ♪ I feel good 632 00:29:07,708 --> 00:29:09,708 [ Cheers and applause ] 633 00:29:09,708 --> 00:29:12,875 -When "Living in America" was released, 634 00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:15,042 it changed James Brown's career at that point, 635 00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:18,375 because he hadn't had a big record in quite some time. 636 00:29:18,375 --> 00:29:21,833 His money went up, his popularity went up, 637 00:29:21,833 --> 00:29:24,583 and James Brown was in heaven again. 638 00:29:24,583 --> 00:29:26,042 -Brown's financial reputation 639 00:29:26,042 --> 00:29:28,042 caused him considerable embarrassment 640 00:29:28,042 --> 00:29:29,375 as a famous entertainer. 641 00:29:29,375 --> 00:29:31,375 His South Carolina home was auctioned off 642 00:29:31,375 --> 00:29:34,750 on the Aiken County Courthouse steps to help pay taxes. 643 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:36,333 But now, from "The Blues Brothers" 644 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:37,917 to "Living in America," 645 00:29:37,917 --> 00:29:41,042 the Godfather of Soul is on the rise once again. 646 00:29:41,042 --> 00:29:45,417 -"Living in America" is one of his last top ten songs, 647 00:29:45,417 --> 00:29:46,792 but it's such a fun song 648 00:29:46,792 --> 00:29:49,792 and it's almost like The Village People. 649 00:29:49,792 --> 00:29:51,208 That's really what it sounds like. 650 00:29:51,208 --> 00:29:52,792 It sounds like "YMCA" or "Macho Man" 651 00:29:52,792 --> 00:29:54,833 or something like that, but it just works. 652 00:29:54,833 --> 00:29:57,708 -♪ You're my only love 653 00:29:57,708 --> 00:30:06,625 ♪ My only, only love is you ♪ 654 00:30:06,625 --> 00:30:08,042 ♪ Oh, baby 655 00:30:08,042 --> 00:30:09,375 -I was there when they met. 656 00:30:09,375 --> 00:30:11,875 She was a makeup artist at Solid Gold, 657 00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:13,875 and we were walking to his dressing room 658 00:30:13,875 --> 00:30:16,708 and he saw her and he liked her. He loved women. 659 00:30:16,708 --> 00:30:18,208 He said, "Reverend, get her number." 660 00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:21,083 So I go, and anyway, they end up going to dinner. 661 00:30:21,083 --> 00:30:22,833 I never thought he'd marry, but they got married 662 00:30:22,833 --> 00:30:24,375 over a period of time. 663 00:30:24,375 --> 00:30:27,833 -Is it hard to be the wife of such a big man, 664 00:30:27,833 --> 00:30:29,917 such a big star as James Brown? 665 00:30:29,917 --> 00:30:32,875 -It's hard to be a wife or a husband to anyone today. 666 00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:35,875 You have to be good in anything you do. 667 00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:38,250 I work at my marriage. My husband works at his. 668 00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:40,292 -I don't want to bad-mouth Adrienne, 669 00:30:40,292 --> 00:30:43,250 but things started to get crazy about the time she came around. 670 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:45,042 Once Adrienne came in the picture, 671 00:30:45,042 --> 00:30:46,917 that was the beginning of a different Mr. Brown. 672 00:30:51,833 --> 00:30:53,083 -Oh, it's got everything. 673 00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:54,292 This thing's everything on wheels. 674 00:30:54,292 --> 00:30:55,750 And I got you a case to carry it with. 675 00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:57,000 -You don't got the sticks, have you? 676 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,417 -Yeah, sticks still with it, too. 677 00:30:58,417 --> 00:31:00,167 -I'm very happy that I found a man in my life 678 00:31:00,167 --> 00:31:04,292 that has the beliefs I do and that has the energy I do. 679 00:31:04,292 --> 00:31:06,833 He has to slow me down and I have to slow him down. 680 00:31:06,833 --> 00:31:08,042 It's good. 681 00:31:08,042 --> 00:31:11,125 -Adrienne, he loved her dearly. 682 00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:15,542 I mean, they fought, but he loved her, he really did. 683 00:31:15,542 --> 00:31:22,208 -His last wife, Adrienne, is the one that I knew best. 684 00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:24,292 She had a hard time with James Brown. 685 00:31:24,292 --> 00:31:27,333 But then again, I think most of the women 686 00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:31,375 in James Brown's life had a hard time. 687 00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:33,958 I mean, he got into some drug problems, I think, also. 688 00:31:33,958 --> 00:31:37,125 Um, didn't we all? 689 00:31:37,125 --> 00:31:40,792 -It seems like almost every week, something was happening 690 00:31:40,792 --> 00:31:42,375 to put them in the news. 691 00:31:42,375 --> 00:31:45,083 I know she loved him, but they got into those drugs 692 00:31:45,083 --> 00:31:47,958 and it would just turn them into, uh, 693 00:31:47,958 --> 00:31:50,792 something that they really shouldn't have been. 694 00:31:50,792 --> 00:31:53,375 -The Godfather of Soul says he feels good. 695 00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:55,333 This morning, he and his wife, Adrienne, 696 00:31:55,333 --> 00:31:57,917 emerged from a meeting with Aiken County Solicitor Bob Hart 697 00:31:57,917 --> 00:32:00,625 to try and fix the marriage that a few weeks ago 698 00:32:00,625 --> 00:32:02,417 seemed to be rapidly untying. 699 00:32:02,417 --> 00:32:04,667 Easter weekend, his wife went to local police, 700 00:32:04,667 --> 00:32:07,250 claiming she had been badly beaten by the entertainer, 701 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:09,750 and said he also shot up her luxury car 702 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:11,542 and beat her with an iron pipe. 703 00:32:11,542 --> 00:32:14,625 She showed, in People Magazine, the gun he used to shoot at her. 704 00:32:14,625 --> 00:32:17,375 A week later, she was arrested at Augusta's Bush Field airport 705 00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:21,167 and charged with possession of PCP, which is still pending. 706 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:22,875 -What about the potassium bottle 707 00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:24,708 they say they got out of your purse? 708 00:32:24,708 --> 00:32:26,167 -What? -A potassium bottle 709 00:32:26,167 --> 00:32:28,875 with alleged PCP in it. 710 00:32:28,875 --> 00:32:30,708 -I have no idea. 711 00:32:30,708 --> 00:32:33,250 -He used to get high on what he called "gorilla." 712 00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:35,375 "Gorilla" is a version of PCP. 713 00:32:35,375 --> 00:32:37,708 They keep the PCP in a Visine bottle 714 00:32:37,708 --> 00:32:39,208 because you could travel with it. 715 00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:40,958 They would drip it on the cigarette, 716 00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:42,792 and when it dried, you'd smoke a cigarette, 717 00:32:42,792 --> 00:32:44,083 and they'd get wacky. 718 00:32:44,083 --> 00:32:45,375 -But despite all that's happened, 719 00:32:45,375 --> 00:32:47,375 today, she appeared a changed woman. 720 00:32:47,375 --> 00:32:49,292 -You've decided to drop the charges? 721 00:32:49,292 --> 00:32:51,375 -Yes, sir. I mean, I really didn't want to -- 722 00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:54,375 I mean, my intention was never prosecuting. 723 00:32:54,375 --> 00:32:58,167 Unfortunately, this matter had gotten out into public, 724 00:32:58,167 --> 00:32:59,875 and it was -- it was all a mistake. 725 00:32:59,875 --> 00:33:03,167 And, you know, my husband and I love each other very much. 726 00:33:03,167 --> 00:33:05,208 -I knew a lot what was going on with him 727 00:33:05,208 --> 00:33:08,417 at that time of his struggle with drugs 728 00:33:08,417 --> 00:33:11,625 and where his place was in society -- 729 00:33:11,625 --> 00:33:13,333 you know, in the music business. 730 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:15,375 It was a difficult time because everybody 731 00:33:15,375 --> 00:33:18,125 wasn't necessarily listening to the James Brown sound. 732 00:33:18,125 --> 00:33:19,708 They had moved on to something else. 733 00:33:19,708 --> 00:33:22,792 And as an artist, a lot of them go through that. 734 00:33:22,792 --> 00:33:26,458 So you see them in the slump and picking up things 735 00:33:26,458 --> 00:33:29,292 that, you know, for whatever reason. 736 00:33:29,292 --> 00:33:31,167 -How did all of this trouble begin? 737 00:33:31,167 --> 00:33:34,542 -♪ Living in America 738 00:33:34,542 --> 00:33:36,458 [ Laughter ] 739 00:33:36,458 --> 00:33:38,833 There's nothing wrong. -Nothing wrong at all? 740 00:33:38,833 --> 00:33:41,875 You're not in any difficulty, but you're out on bond? 741 00:33:41,875 --> 00:33:44,083 -No, I'm not. 742 00:33:44,083 --> 00:33:45,875 -Have all the charges been dropped? 743 00:33:45,875 --> 00:33:47,583 -Yeah. I'm out on love. 744 00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:52,542 -Oh, well, are you out on love or out of love, which is it? 745 00:33:52,542 --> 00:33:54,125 -Out on love. 746 00:33:54,125 --> 00:33:57,667 ♪ Alone from night to night, you'll find me ♪ 747 00:33:57,667 --> 00:34:01,667 -I already knew that he was struggling just in life. 748 00:34:01,667 --> 00:34:05,583 And another thing I wish I didn't see was the cheating. 749 00:34:05,583 --> 00:34:08,583 And I didn't see that necessarily growing up, 750 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:12,833 but I saw it when he married his third wife. 751 00:34:12,833 --> 00:34:15,542 -Although she has formally filed a request to drop charges, 752 00:34:15,542 --> 00:34:18,208 solicitor Hart says he'll make the final decision. 753 00:34:18,208 --> 00:34:19,458 Until then, the couple says 754 00:34:19,458 --> 00:34:21,208 they'll spend more time together. 755 00:34:21,208 --> 00:34:23,208 -We're here to clear the air, clear the smoke, 756 00:34:23,208 --> 00:34:26,167 and let everybody know that we're on the good foot. 757 00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:28,667 -♪ Give me some static -♪ You got it 758 00:34:28,667 --> 00:34:30,375 -♪ Hit me 759 00:34:30,375 --> 00:34:33,375 ♪ 760 00:34:33,375 --> 00:34:36,458 ♪ Huh 761 00:34:36,458 --> 00:34:38,000 ♪ Say it 762 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,875 -At the time we was working with Mr. Brown... 763 00:34:40,875 --> 00:34:42,833 -He was going through a lot. -He was going through a lot. 764 00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:44,917 But we kind of didn't know it. 765 00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,542 Something I never spoke on before, 766 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,042 but we didn't know. 767 00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,958 The first song he did was "Time to Get Busy." 768 00:34:49,958 --> 00:34:52,542 It was great. But the other songs, 769 00:34:52,542 --> 00:34:54,250 we had to go back and forth, and I told my brother, 770 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:56,625 I said, "I know Mr. Brown keep forgetting. 771 00:34:56,625 --> 00:34:59,167 Like he wasn't even on on beat at the time." 772 00:34:59,167 --> 00:35:01,875 -Because he was going through a lot at that time -- 773 00:35:01,875 --> 00:35:03,333 through the the painkillers 774 00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:05,083 and the different type of addiction... 775 00:35:05,083 --> 00:35:06,375 - The shooting. -...and all that stuff. 776 00:35:06,375 --> 00:35:07,750 The shooting, all kinds of craziness. 777 00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:09,583 And we were like, I didn't -- 778 00:35:09,583 --> 00:35:11,125 I didn't, I don't remember major, major problems. 779 00:35:11,125 --> 00:35:12,958 -Like you having to sing some of his parts. 780 00:35:12,958 --> 00:35:14,375 -Right. -On the record. Okay. 781 00:35:14,375 --> 00:35:15,958 -I solved the problem. You wouldn't even know. 782 00:35:15,958 --> 00:35:18,083 It's all good. -And it's on "Static." 783 00:35:18,083 --> 00:35:19,542 -Me and Mr. Brown. -Right. 784 00:35:19,542 --> 00:35:22,292 -♪ Won't be no static -♪ No 785 00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:25,375 ♪ Don't start none, won't be none ♪ 786 00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:28,333 -I'm on the air, and I get the news that Mr. Brown 787 00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:32,000 was in a two-state car chase in Georgia 788 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,375 and in South Carolina. 789 00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:36,333 It's like, what is going on? 790 00:35:36,333 --> 00:35:38,375 - Witnesses say Brown went into a classroom 791 00:35:38,375 --> 00:35:40,875 in the office building where his office is located, 792 00:35:40,875 --> 00:35:42,542 brandishing a pistol and a shotgun 793 00:35:42,542 --> 00:35:45,542 and demanding to know who was using his bathroom. 794 00:35:45,542 --> 00:35:49,708 -Someone was using my facility without my consent. 795 00:35:49,708 --> 00:35:53,292 All you have to do is ask me, and I'll be glad to say yes. 796 00:35:53,292 --> 00:35:55,042 -He did get his shotgun out of the pickup, 797 00:35:55,042 --> 00:35:57,042 but he did not fire it. 798 00:35:57,042 --> 00:35:58,708 So James got in his pickup. 799 00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:03,875 He went across on the interstate to the South Carolina side. 800 00:36:03,875 --> 00:36:06,125 -I said, Mr. Brown, pull over, this is Officer Dan. 801 00:36:06,125 --> 00:36:08,542 And he immediately pulled over into the slot. 802 00:36:08,542 --> 00:36:10,208 -I ask the officer, "Should I get out?" 803 00:36:10,208 --> 00:36:12,458 He said, "No, get out on the passenger side. 804 00:36:12,458 --> 00:36:15,042 The man shot eight times at the wheel 805 00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:16,042 at the bottom of the truck. 806 00:36:16,042 --> 00:36:19,125 -[ James Brown scatting ] 807 00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:22,875 ♪ 808 00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:26,458 -17 bullets hit the truck. 809 00:36:26,458 --> 00:36:30,583 Had only one bullet hit the gas tank, 810 00:36:30,583 --> 00:36:32,208 the truck would have blew up. 811 00:36:32,208 --> 00:36:35,208 -James Brown's pickup, his tires are shot off. 812 00:36:35,208 --> 00:36:38,500 He's on rims, and he -- and he's got, like, 813 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:42,708 14 police cars behind him with their lights going. 814 00:36:42,708 --> 00:36:45,958 They're doing, what, five, ten miles an hour? 815 00:36:45,958 --> 00:36:47,542 And this is the chase? 816 00:36:47,542 --> 00:36:50,208 -I don't condone people running from the police 817 00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:53,208 like that, but also too, he says, 818 00:36:53,208 --> 00:36:55,750 "I was scared," 819 00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:58,333 and that's what a lot of black men deal with. 820 00:36:58,333 --> 00:37:01,458 They're scared of what's going to happen to them. 821 00:37:01,458 --> 00:37:05,250 They're scared if they're going to be the next hashtag. 822 00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:08,083 -Mind you, I didn't say my father was perfect, 823 00:37:08,083 --> 00:37:12,458 but nobody deserves to be shot at like that. 824 00:37:12,458 --> 00:37:17,333 We still have the panels with the 17 bullet holes. 825 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:19,500 He didn't want to throw it away. He wanted to keep it, 826 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:29,458 to remind himself of what that was about. 827 00:37:30,625 --> 00:37:32,167 -The night that it happened, the high speed chase, 828 00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:33,625 his wife called me. "They arrested James. 829 00:37:33,625 --> 00:37:34,542 This, that and the other." Told me what happened. 830 00:37:34,542 --> 00:37:36,750 I turned on the CNN and I -- 831 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,208 you know, he had had then several altercations. 832 00:37:39,208 --> 00:37:43,458 And I said, we just got to get him to calm down. 833 00:37:43,458 --> 00:37:44,875 -I'm not here for it. I'm tired of this mess. 834 00:37:44,875 --> 00:37:46,417 I'm tired of it. 835 00:37:46,417 --> 00:37:48,750 The man's about to have a reckoning. 836 00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:51,208 I'm tired of the federal government, tired! 837 00:37:51,208 --> 00:37:53,875 I'm tired of them! 838 00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:56,000 I'm tired of doing right! 839 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,333 [ Shouting indistinctly ] 840 00:38:01,708 --> 00:38:04,083 -A function of being black in America 841 00:38:04,083 --> 00:38:08,042 is that I don't think we take the best care of ourselves. 842 00:38:08,042 --> 00:38:11,583 Oftentimes, we're trying to live. 843 00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:14,167 So we're concerned with the basics 844 00:38:14,167 --> 00:38:16,042 of living and survival. 845 00:38:16,042 --> 00:38:21,083 Because to be black in America is to have, you know, 846 00:38:21,083 --> 00:38:25,042 affiliation and attachment to pathologies and to trauma. 847 00:38:25,042 --> 00:38:28,083 -I don't think James Brown wanted everybody to know him. 848 00:38:28,083 --> 00:38:32,125 I think James Brown kept a part of him that only he knew. 849 00:38:32,125 --> 00:38:37,000 And I think a lot of that was that he had to protect himself. 850 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,583 Of course, he was abandoned as a child and he grew up in jail. 851 00:38:42,583 --> 00:38:44,417 -Brown just finished three months, 852 00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:47,458 42 grueling dates in Europe, lifting his career there, 853 00:38:47,458 --> 00:38:50,167 and taped a new cable TV special for the U.S.. 854 00:38:50,167 --> 00:38:51,500 But meanwhile, prosecutors 855 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:53,167 in Augusta and Aiken, South Carolina, 856 00:38:53,167 --> 00:38:55,208 have been quietly gathering indictments, 857 00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:56,917 tying together evidence of multiple cases 858 00:38:56,917 --> 00:38:59,708 of what they say is a whole different side of James Brown. 859 00:38:59,708 --> 00:39:02,292 From an alleged drug, gun, and police chase incident 860 00:39:02,292 --> 00:39:03,667 over two days in September, 861 00:39:03,667 --> 00:39:05,958 Brown faces close to a dozen charges. 862 00:39:05,958 --> 00:39:08,958 Police allege Brown tried to run them down in his truck. 863 00:39:08,958 --> 00:39:11,708 Now, authorities say they want to throw the book at James Brown 864 00:39:11,708 --> 00:39:13,542 and claim to have evidence enough 865 00:39:13,542 --> 00:39:15,583 to put him in jail for five years. 866 00:39:15,583 --> 00:39:17,083 -I was in high school. 867 00:39:17,083 --> 00:39:19,208 I was a junior. I won't forget it. 868 00:39:19,208 --> 00:39:23,500 And I'm thinking to myself, he's about to lose everything he has. 869 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:24,958 Am I going to be able to go to college? 870 00:39:24,958 --> 00:39:26,875 He said he would help me with college. 871 00:39:26,875 --> 00:39:28,417 Is this going to be it? 872 00:39:28,417 --> 00:39:31,417 Like, all of this stuff is going on in my head, 873 00:39:31,417 --> 00:39:32,792 and then you got people not being nice. 874 00:39:32,792 --> 00:39:34,792 They're yelling, "Free James Brown." 875 00:39:34,792 --> 00:39:36,625 There's the, "Oh, your daddy locked up. 876 00:39:36,625 --> 00:39:38,625 What's your daddy -- He doing all this crazy stuff. 877 00:39:38,625 --> 00:39:41,708 What's going on with him?" All of that. 878 00:39:41,708 --> 00:39:44,875 -People who themselves are not totally free 879 00:39:44,875 --> 00:39:48,292 through art open up the door for others to be free, 880 00:39:48,292 --> 00:39:50,500 even if they can't exorcise the demons 881 00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:52,042 that they have themselves. 882 00:39:52,042 --> 00:39:54,500 -He's facing charges of assault with intent to kill 883 00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,875 and failing to stop for police. 884 00:39:56,875 --> 00:39:59,917 Early in the day, defense attorneys filed several motions. 885 00:39:59,917 --> 00:40:02,917 Included is a request to move the case to another county, 886 00:40:02,917 --> 00:40:05,833 namely to disqualify the pool of potential jurors 887 00:40:05,833 --> 00:40:09,042 because it contains a small number of blacks. 888 00:40:09,042 --> 00:40:12,583 [ Indistinct conversations ] 889 00:40:12,583 --> 00:40:16,792 -Four white policemen came up and shot the truck up 890 00:40:16,792 --> 00:40:18,875 and almost shot the black deputy sheriff. 891 00:40:18,875 --> 00:40:21,292 The deputy sheriff was afraid to testify against them. 892 00:40:21,292 --> 00:40:22,583 I wasn't afraid of them. 893 00:40:22,583 --> 00:40:25,042 -It's just 6-12. -It's cold out here. 894 00:40:25,042 --> 00:40:26,750 -Thank you very, very much. -Thank you, James. 895 00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:29,542 How are you doing today? -I'm doing good. 896 00:40:29,542 --> 00:40:31,917 -When they went to trial, 897 00:40:31,917 --> 00:40:34,833 everybody thought they'd give him probation or something. 898 00:40:34,833 --> 00:40:36,458 -There was talk in the courthouse tonight 899 00:40:36,458 --> 00:40:38,500 about James Brown, philanthropist, 900 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:41,333 James Brown, legend. I hold here in my hand 901 00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:43,542 a presidential pin from President Reagan 902 00:40:43,542 --> 00:40:45,292 James Brown himself set. 903 00:40:45,292 --> 00:40:47,292 But tonight, James Brown was sentenced 904 00:40:47,292 --> 00:40:48,875 to six years in prison, 905 00:40:48,875 --> 00:40:51,083 plus five years probation and $6,000 fine. 906 00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:53,875 Earlier, a jury found him guilty of failing to stop 907 00:40:53,875 --> 00:40:55,917 when signaled by a law enforcement officer 908 00:40:55,917 --> 00:40:58,208 and two counts of aggravated assault. 909 00:40:58,208 --> 00:40:59,875 -A six year and six month sentence 910 00:40:59,875 --> 00:41:07,458 for a traffic violation is extremely excessive. 911 00:41:07,458 --> 00:41:11,042 And if that were Jerry Lee Lewis 912 00:41:11,042 --> 00:41:16,375 or Roy Orbison or Willie Nelson or whoever -- 913 00:41:16,375 --> 00:41:18,875 I mean, I definitely know country people 914 00:41:18,875 --> 00:41:21,750 that have gotten into shootouts and worse 915 00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:24,250 that didn't get that type of treatment. 916 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:29,125 -If James Brown was not who he was, 917 00:41:29,125 --> 00:41:32,083 was not of the race he is, there's no question 918 00:41:32,083 --> 00:41:36,667 that he would not have been given this sentence. 919 00:41:36,667 --> 00:41:40,542 -I'm doing the time and somebody else did the crime. 920 00:41:40,542 --> 00:41:42,750 -James Brown learned and was reminded 921 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:45,125 that there are two Americas, 922 00:41:45,125 --> 00:41:49,958 and he learned which America he lived in that day. 923 00:41:49,958 --> 00:41:51,792 ♪ 924 00:41:51,792 --> 00:41:57,542 -♪ A man have to go back to the crossroad ♪ 925 00:41:57,542 --> 00:42:01,208 ♪ Before he find his self 926 00:42:01,208 --> 00:42:03,875 ♪ Sometimes, it's tough 927 00:42:03,875 --> 00:42:13,875 ♪ 928 00:42:13,875 --> 00:42:23,792 ♪ 929 00:42:23,792 --> 00:42:33,750 ♪