1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:08,299 Uh-huh, uh-huh 2 00:00:08,383 --> 00:00:11,052 The future's looking so bright 3 00:00:11,136 --> 00:00:13,638 Welcome to The Ultimatum: Marry Or Move On 4 00:00:13,722 --> 00:00:15,432 Season 4 Reunion. 5 00:00:15,515 --> 00:00:17,851 Now, this season, six ultimatums were given. 6 00:00:17,934 --> 00:00:19,352 One was left unanswered, 7 00:00:19,436 --> 00:00:22,605 and an unprecedented five ended with engagements. 8 00:00:22,689 --> 00:00:25,025 They all came looking to get their answers, 9 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:27,736 and now it's time for you at home to get yours. 10 00:00:27,819 --> 00:00:30,113 -Has anyone tied the knot? -Had a change of heart? 11 00:00:30,196 --> 00:00:32,490 Well, tonight everyone is back. 12 00:00:32,574 --> 00:00:35,952 All questions will be answered, and nothing is off-limits. 13 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,746 Let's get this reunion started. 14 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:40,582 Oh, oh, come take look Into my crystal ball 15 00:00:40,665 --> 00:00:42,542 See 'em all dancing in my disco hall 16 00:00:42,625 --> 00:00:44,252 Rose-colored glasses hide my eyes 17 00:00:44,335 --> 00:00:46,463 Hear 'em all say, "Oh, my, my, my" 18 00:00:47,380 --> 00:00:50,508 Oh, my, my, my Hear 'em all say, "Oh, my, my, my" 19 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:53,762 Oh, my, my, my Oh, my, my, my 20 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:57,766 Uh-huh, uh-huh The future's looking so bright 21 00:00:57,849 --> 00:01:01,936 Uh-huh, uh-huh They'll all be saying, "Oh my!" 22 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:05,607 Uh-huh, uh-huh I think this is the right time 23 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:09,319 Uh-huh, uh-huh Uh-huh, uh-huh, oh my! 24 00:01:14,365 --> 00:01:17,035 Ah, uh-huh, uh-huh, oh my! 25 00:01:17,118 --> 00:01:18,870 Welcome, everybody. 26 00:01:18,953 --> 00:01:20,872 -Have a seat. -Let's all take a seat, yeah. 27 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:23,708 Everybody looks fantastic, by the way. 28 00:01:23,792 --> 00:01:25,585 It's so good to see you. 29 00:01:25,668 --> 00:01:29,672 It's been a year since we saw you last, so we have a lot to talk about. 30 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,758 -I think that's an understatement. -Big-time. 31 00:01:31,841 --> 00:01:33,218 You guys ready to get into it? 32 00:01:33,301 --> 00:01:35,011 -Ready. -Let's get into it. 33 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:38,973 All right, Luke's been putting Monica on a pedestal since they were 14, 34 00:01:39,057 --> 00:01:43,061 and by the end of this thing, he was down on one knee proposing. 35 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:44,479 -Hi to both of you. -Hello. 36 00:01:44,562 --> 00:01:46,731 -Good to see you. -Good to see you too. 37 00:01:46,815 --> 00:01:49,484 First things first. I can see it from here so I just want to confirm. 38 00:01:49,567 --> 00:01:52,070 -You guys are still engaged. -Yes, we are. 39 00:01:52,153 --> 00:01:54,239 -We are still engaged. -Yay. 40 00:01:54,823 --> 00:01:57,659 Very, very amazing year together. 41 00:01:57,742 --> 00:02:01,454 He actually re-proposed on our five-year dating anniversary. 42 00:02:01,538 --> 00:02:04,833 And he had rose petals and candles, and it was just a really nice moment. 43 00:02:04,916 --> 00:02:08,044 -The two of us. It was really special. -No cameras, no mic pack. 44 00:02:08,128 --> 00:02:10,630 -No cameras, just him and I. -You didn't miss 14 cameras circling? 45 00:02:10,713 --> 00:02:11,798 No, I did not. 46 00:02:11,881 --> 00:02:13,716 -It was really, really special. -Good. 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,262 What about you all watching the proposal? How did that make you feel? 48 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:20,223 -Him bringing her flowers was so cute. -Yeah, I thought that too. 49 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:23,685 I think when Monica was like, "Wait, hold up," I was like, "No way." 50 00:02:23,768 --> 00:02:25,270 I was like that. 51 00:02:25,353 --> 00:02:26,479 Oh! 52 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:29,357 What's this year of being engaged been like for you guys? 53 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,358 It's been great. 54 00:02:30,441 --> 00:02:34,988 We worked on a lot in the show. Um, a lot of growth. 55 00:02:35,071 --> 00:02:36,823 I made a ton, personally. 56 00:02:36,906 --> 00:02:39,367 We chased a lot of success together. 57 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:43,079 What's coming of it now is I no longer just have a plan A. 58 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:45,373 I have a plan B and a plan C. 59 00:02:45,456 --> 00:02:47,375 -Good. -Not just serving at a restaurant. 60 00:02:47,458 --> 00:02:50,044 I'm managing a restaurant right now. 61 00:02:50,128 --> 00:02:53,173 Um, and then I spent hours of online training 62 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:54,841 and got a few certifications, 63 00:02:54,924 --> 00:02:57,385 and I'm qualified to apply to be a lineman. 64 00:02:57,468 --> 00:03:01,848 So that took my mind from "I'm gonna see success as a firefighter" 65 00:03:01,931 --> 00:03:06,019 or "I'm gonna fail" to "There's many different ways to succeed." 66 00:03:06,102 --> 00:03:09,856 That came from lessons I learned from her, that we worked on in the show. 67 00:03:09,939 --> 00:03:11,608 -So it's been great. -That's beautiful. 68 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:14,527 It's been a work-hard, play-hard year, which is really fun. 69 00:03:14,611 --> 00:03:15,904 We both have been grinding a ton, 70 00:03:15,987 --> 00:03:18,531 but we've also traveled together more than we've ever traveled. 71 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:22,076 So it's been probably our best year yet, in my opinion. 72 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:22,994 Yeah. 73 00:03:23,077 --> 00:03:26,497 We'll take a look at how Luke and Monica have been celebrating their engagement 74 00:03:26,581 --> 00:03:27,707 over the past year. 75 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:28,917 Please enjoy. 76 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,377 Oh, oh, oh , oh… 77 00:03:31,461 --> 00:03:37,342 1,825 days ago, you said yes to being my girlfriend. 78 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:39,636 I've been thankful every day since. 79 00:03:41,387 --> 00:03:44,974 I know that I can be there someday 80 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:46,851 He's not your lovey friend. 81 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:48,686 -No, what am I? -You're her ex. 82 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:50,230 I'm her ex-boyfriend. 83 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:51,814 Oh my God! 84 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:55,526 Oh my God! You're engaged! Oh my God! 85 00:03:56,736 --> 00:04:01,115 It's gonna be a really, really, really Really, really, really, really good day 86 00:04:01,616 --> 00:04:05,578 It's gonna be a really, really, really Really, really, really, really good day 87 00:04:05,662 --> 00:04:07,956 Pleased to meet you, good to see you 88 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:09,332 Oh 89 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:13,419 It's gonna be a really, really, really Really, really, really, really good day 90 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:16,381 Yes! I love it. I love it. 91 00:04:17,674 --> 00:04:19,425 So much fun, so much love. 92 00:04:19,509 --> 00:04:23,471 And in fact, what's going on with the wedding plans? 93 00:04:23,554 --> 00:04:27,267 We celebrated our one-year of engagement in Santa Barbara. 94 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:30,561 We viewed a bunch of wedding venues there, and we're planning it out there. 95 00:04:30,645 --> 00:04:32,647 -Close to home. I love it. -Mm-hm. 96 00:04:32,730 --> 00:04:36,526 Looking back now on the experience that was The Ultimatum, 97 00:04:36,609 --> 00:04:38,861 how do you think that's affected your relationship? 98 00:04:38,945 --> 00:04:42,156 I think it's the reason we're sitting here today. 99 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,575 Happy to be together, excited for the future. 100 00:04:44,659 --> 00:04:46,744 We broke down the walls 101 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:49,372 that needed to be broke down for this experience, 102 00:04:49,455 --> 00:04:52,292 and it let us figure out what we needed to figure out. 103 00:04:52,375 --> 00:04:54,836 I've always believed that she's the girl for me. 104 00:04:54,919 --> 00:04:59,882 I've been so excited for her to be my wife for so long, 105 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,845 but I'm now in a place where I'm excited also to be her husband. 106 00:05:03,928 --> 00:05:06,014 And what that means, and everything that comes with it. 107 00:05:06,097 --> 00:05:10,310 I feel like when you're talking, Luke, a lot seems to be coming up emotionally. 108 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:13,271 -I just kinda wonder-- -I'm excited for the future. It's amazing. 109 00:05:13,354 --> 00:05:16,733 I will say I felt disrespected by a lot of people here. 110 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:21,696 Is there someone here that you felt disrespected by? 111 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:22,780 Um… 112 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:25,325 So, I felt disrespected by David. 113 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:31,873 I felt that you went too far in your flirting with her 114 00:05:31,956 --> 00:05:34,542 and were disrespectful to me and Casey, to be honest. 115 00:05:35,376 --> 00:05:40,673 You, multiple times, spoke badly about me and to me, and to other people. 116 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:42,383 And at one point you threatened me, 117 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:46,095 which at the moment I laughed off because that's how I avoid conflict, 118 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:47,722 but I'm not laughing today. 119 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,479 Well, I apologize you felt that way, okay? It wasn't my intention. 120 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,690 It was me to protect her. That's why I said, "Don't disrespect her." 121 00:05:57,774 --> 00:06:00,902 Me and Monica, if I disrespected her, she would have let me know. 122 00:06:00,985 --> 00:06:02,278 She's a strong enough woman. 123 00:06:02,362 --> 00:06:04,530 I didn't say anything bad about you at all. 124 00:06:04,614 --> 00:06:08,409 There was just a comment about him not being man enough for me. 125 00:06:08,493 --> 00:06:11,954 I know that there was a lot we needed to work through on our own. 126 00:06:12,038 --> 00:06:14,916 I think it just really hurt him to hear it from you 127 00:06:14,999 --> 00:06:16,667 instead of, like, internally. 128 00:06:16,751 --> 00:06:18,461 -I apologize. -Appreciate it. 129 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:21,214 You're a great man for her and I love what y'all have going on. 130 00:06:21,297 --> 00:06:22,215 -100%. -Appreciate that. 131 00:06:22,298 --> 00:06:24,133 He's protective when he's with somebody. 132 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:27,720 He was with Monica at the time, so he wanted what she wanted for her. 133 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:30,515 I think that's what he meant when he says, "Not man enough." 134 00:06:30,598 --> 00:06:33,601 I don't-- He does think you're a great person, 135 00:06:33,684 --> 00:06:34,519 you are man enough, 136 00:06:34,602 --> 00:06:38,064 but he does word things a certain way sometimes, but… 137 00:06:38,147 --> 00:06:41,109 Yeah, but don't take no offense by it. I don't mean any bad by it. 138 00:06:41,192 --> 00:06:43,069 -I appreciate it. -I appreciate that too. 139 00:06:43,152 --> 00:06:44,362 Yeah, 100%. 140 00:06:44,445 --> 00:06:48,116 I would just say, man to man, to me, there's nothing more manly 141 00:06:48,199 --> 00:06:51,285 than taking a look inward, recognizing things that you could, 142 00:06:51,369 --> 00:06:53,955 and maybe need to improve on, and addressing those things. 143 00:06:54,038 --> 00:06:56,541 I mean, that's been a result of this entire experience. 144 00:06:56,624 --> 00:06:57,917 -100%. -Mm-hm. 145 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,546 I think Luke found, like, a new level of confidence in himself 146 00:07:01,629 --> 00:07:03,673 that he's brought into our relationship. 147 00:07:03,756 --> 00:07:08,219 And I feel like whenever he has something that bugs him, 148 00:07:08,302 --> 00:07:10,138 or he wants to bring up, 149 00:07:10,221 --> 00:07:12,640 he makes the space for it now in our relationship, 150 00:07:12,723 --> 00:07:15,351 and it makes it easier for me to understand him. 151 00:07:15,435 --> 00:07:19,772 So huge, because nobody's a mind reader, and to have understanding for that is key. 152 00:07:19,856 --> 00:07:21,107 Casey, I want to ask you. 153 00:07:21,190 --> 00:07:23,651 You and Luke had a beautiful Trial Marriage, I thought. 154 00:07:23,734 --> 00:07:25,945 To watch the two of you together, you got quite close. 155 00:07:26,028 --> 00:07:30,241 How was it for you watching Monica say yes to Luke? 156 00:07:30,324 --> 00:07:33,494 I was really happy for both of them. That's what he wanted the entire time. 157 00:07:33,578 --> 00:07:35,079 That's what he was there for. 158 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:36,831 He made it very clear from the beginning, 159 00:07:36,914 --> 00:07:40,710 and I was happy to be able to help assist in that love story. 160 00:07:40,793 --> 00:07:43,296 Casey with the assist. Okay, basketball. I see it. 161 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:45,089 Yes! 162 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:48,634 Luke, you spent a decent amount of time during the Trial Marriage 163 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:51,345 comparing yourself to David, kinda using that as a reference point. 164 00:07:51,429 --> 00:07:54,265 Clearly, I had insecurities on the show, and I was working on it. 165 00:07:54,348 --> 00:07:56,058 I'm not like that anymore. 166 00:07:56,142 --> 00:07:59,854 That's why she mentioned I have the confidence needed in our relationship. 167 00:07:59,937 --> 00:08:00,771 So… 168 00:08:00,855 --> 00:08:04,275 But then again, to be honest, I was even jealous of seeing her laughing. 169 00:08:04,358 --> 00:08:07,361 Y'all had no bad-- Any fights, no nothing. Y'all just had fun the whole time! 170 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:11,866 Well, for whatever it's worth, guys, I mean, from the outside looking in, 171 00:08:11,949 --> 00:08:15,453 I thought you really approached this in the perfect possible way. 172 00:08:15,536 --> 00:08:18,456 You invested yourselves in it, and you learned so much from it. 173 00:08:18,539 --> 00:08:21,209 And that's why we're sitting here today, you know? 174 00:08:21,292 --> 00:08:22,710 -Thanks, Nick. -A great thing. 175 00:08:22,793 --> 00:08:25,588 I hope you guys feel the love that is in this room for the two of you. 176 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:29,634 -You look good, are emotionally strong-- -Full James Bond over here, looks like. 177 00:08:29,717 --> 00:08:32,553 -Wedding tux? You gotta keep it. -That was the goal. 178 00:08:32,637 --> 00:08:35,223 -I wanna look wedding-ready. -You're wedding-ready. 179 00:08:36,432 --> 00:08:37,767 Well, guys, moving on. 180 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:42,063 Hayley wanted someone who could speak all five love languages, 181 00:08:42,146 --> 00:08:44,232 and Blake definitely has a way with words. 182 00:08:44,315 --> 00:08:49,195 Yeah, you are sitting on two different sides of the stage. 183 00:08:49,278 --> 00:08:51,572 Which is a huge shift from when we saw you a year ago. 184 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:53,449 Are you-- Obviously not engaged. 185 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:55,910 -No. -When did you break off the engagement? 186 00:08:55,993 --> 00:08:57,578 Four months after the engagement. 187 00:08:57,662 --> 00:09:00,164 We obviously weren't a good fit. 188 00:09:00,248 --> 00:09:04,502 There was a great lack of respect in our relationship, 189 00:09:04,585 --> 00:09:09,549 and I didn't feel safe in any way, shape, or form in the relationship, 190 00:09:09,632 --> 00:09:12,134 and so I decided to walk away. 191 00:09:12,218 --> 00:09:14,011 -So you ended it. -Yes. 192 00:09:14,845 --> 00:09:18,808 First off, I've not seen Hayley, uh, in eight months. 193 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:22,144 Going into that proposal, I was 60-40. 194 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:26,190 You know, I didn't know totally if I was going to propose. 195 00:09:26,274 --> 00:09:29,944 I was trying my best to try to make something work 196 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:33,864 in my own competitive nature, and saying, "Hey, I can meet all of her needs." 197 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:39,120 Because as a man, you never, ever, ever wanna say, "I can't do something." 198 00:09:39,203 --> 00:09:40,538 It's like, "I will figure it out." 199 00:09:41,122 --> 00:09:43,040 And in a relationship, there is compromise. 200 00:09:43,124 --> 00:09:45,710 There are certain things that I need to give up for my partner, 201 00:09:45,793 --> 00:09:48,629 but I didn't feel like that was being reciprocated through Hayley. 202 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:53,467 Like, there was a lot of insecurity, too, that kind of bled over from Ashley, 203 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:55,052 that we could never get over, 204 00:09:55,136 --> 00:09:57,847 where it was just a constant, "Hey, Blake, you did this for Ashley." 205 00:09:57,930 --> 00:10:00,182 -We could just never get past that. -That's not true. 206 00:10:00,266 --> 00:10:02,059 -I'm not gonna let you say that. -Okay. 207 00:10:02,143 --> 00:10:04,937 I have no problem with you-- With having a dialogue here. 208 00:10:09,942 --> 00:10:11,485 Are you okay? 209 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:13,404 You wanna sit right here with me, with Casey? 210 00:10:18,784 --> 00:10:21,078 -It's okay. -Hayley, I know this is tough. 211 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:22,538 -It's not easy. -I love you. 212 00:10:22,622 --> 00:10:23,456 I was not… 213 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:24,373 You got this. 214 00:10:24,457 --> 00:10:26,208 …looking forward to this conversation at all. 215 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:29,211 Oh, Killian came ready. 216 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:31,505 -Thank you. -Thank you, Killian. 217 00:10:32,131 --> 00:10:34,175 Hayley, what's making you so emotional at this moment? 218 00:10:34,258 --> 00:10:36,010 Is it the details of the breakup? 219 00:10:38,095 --> 00:10:40,890 -There's just so much. -There's a lot. 220 00:10:46,145 --> 00:10:50,149 Our relationship before the show was already super rocky. 221 00:10:51,233 --> 00:10:54,153 There was just so much that happened, 222 00:10:54,236 --> 00:10:59,867 to the point where I felt so insecure in my relationship, and myself. 223 00:10:59,950 --> 00:11:02,411 Coming into the show, I was like, 224 00:11:02,495 --> 00:11:06,540 "I don't even know how I'm supposed to speed date these guys." 225 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:10,753 But I always let you know, like, I was super attracted to you and into you… 226 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:11,671 That's not true. 227 00:11:11,754 --> 00:11:14,423 …and you'd tell me, "Blake, you're not my typical type." 228 00:11:14,507 --> 00:11:16,300 -That's so not true. -That is true. 229 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,636 I think it was an emotional connection she needed. 230 00:11:18,719 --> 00:11:20,346 Right. Yeah. I agree, but, I mean, 231 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:25,393 I think it was obvious in the show that, like, I was walking on eggshells. 232 00:11:25,476 --> 00:11:31,482 I mean, if you watch my words, I am literally therapy-talking and, like, 233 00:11:31,565 --> 00:11:33,609 prefacing everything that I'm saying. 234 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,444 "Hey, I don't wanna be defensive right now." 235 00:11:35,528 --> 00:11:39,615 And, like, literally, I didn't even know how to operate as, like, a human being. 236 00:11:39,699 --> 00:11:42,410 I just think you're trying so hard to save face right now. 237 00:11:42,493 --> 00:11:44,704 You just don't take accountability. 238 00:11:44,787 --> 00:11:47,248 I get that this is a very emotional conversation, 239 00:11:47,331 --> 00:11:49,333 and I don't want to do the he-said, she-said. 240 00:11:49,417 --> 00:11:53,212 Okay, well, when I'm talking, notice how you literally take it over. 241 00:11:53,295 --> 00:11:55,214 No, I'll be quiet. You go ahead. Like… 242 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,262 So take us to after the show. 243 00:12:01,345 --> 00:12:03,264 So you guys decided to stay together. 244 00:12:03,347 --> 00:12:06,183 You decided to propose, and then what happened after the fact? 245 00:12:06,267 --> 00:12:07,727 Yeah. Um-- 246 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:10,146 If I have to kind of unpack what happened, 247 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:13,691 we went to Charleston, and there was a situation that happened 248 00:12:13,774 --> 00:12:15,151 where we were out and about, 249 00:12:15,234 --> 00:12:18,821 and we had probably like six or seven girls that we met up with. 250 00:12:18,904 --> 00:12:20,531 We were having fun little time in a group. 251 00:12:20,614 --> 00:12:22,158 We did not meet up with anybody. 252 00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:25,244 I went to the bar, and Hayley was literally right outside. 253 00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,913 I had two girls come up to me, and they started talking. 254 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:30,791 "Hey, what's up? How are you doing?" I said, "Nothing much. On vacation." 255 00:12:30,875 --> 00:12:33,169 They said, "Hey, will you get us a drink?" I said, "Sure." 256 00:12:33,252 --> 00:12:35,671 Bought them both a drink, handed it to them, turned around, 257 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:39,216 Hayley's there, and, like, her face is just, like, in awe. 258 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:40,926 Like, "God, did you really just do that?" 259 00:12:41,552 --> 00:12:43,345 Hayley, like, had a beer in her hand. 260 00:12:43,429 --> 00:12:47,725 Poured it on top of my head in the middle of the bar of 300 people. 261 00:12:47,808 --> 00:12:50,478 At that point, I was like, "Yo, what is going on?" 262 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:52,438 And she goes, "You're a piece of shit." 263 00:12:52,521 --> 00:12:55,232 At that point, I was like, "I'm done. I'm not doing this shit anymore." 264 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:56,609 No, that's not what happened. 265 00:12:57,234 --> 00:12:59,779 We went to Charleston for our anniversary trip. 266 00:12:59,862 --> 00:13:03,574 We didn't show up with any other people. It was just us two. 267 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:08,621 We had been going to couples therapy because Blake had a certain issue, 268 00:13:08,704 --> 00:13:13,584 and I worked myself up to drink with him in Charleston. 269 00:13:13,667 --> 00:13:16,337 It was too much for Blake. 270 00:13:16,420 --> 00:13:19,006 And I went to the bathroom. 271 00:13:19,089 --> 00:13:22,218 I come out, and Blake's taking shots with girls. 272 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:26,180 After that, I was like, "Hey, let's go." 273 00:13:26,263 --> 00:13:31,101 And Blake was blackout drunk, by the way. I wasn't drunk at this point. 274 00:13:31,185 --> 00:13:33,270 I look up, and he's nowhere to be found. 275 00:13:33,354 --> 00:13:39,944 And I walk past this parking garage, and he zooms down in his truck. 276 00:13:40,027 --> 00:13:42,530 And so I ran after the truck, 277 00:13:43,113 --> 00:13:45,407 and I was like, "Get the fuck out of the car." 278 00:13:47,326 --> 00:13:49,328 And then I drove us home. 279 00:13:50,746 --> 00:13:55,626 And that's just a small piece of a lot in our relationship. 280 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:59,588 Let's talk about the full context. 281 00:13:59,672 --> 00:14:02,174 And I feel like context is gonna matter here, so… 282 00:14:02,258 --> 00:14:04,635 -100%. -Yeah, that night… 283 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:06,512 -I did pour a beer on your head. -Yeah. 284 00:14:06,595 --> 00:14:10,057 -That night, you have to laugh about it-- -And you put your hands on me that night. 285 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:11,934 No, I did not. 286 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:15,771 Never did anything to that, and I've got literally… 287 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:18,023 That-- That never happened, no. 288 00:14:18,107 --> 00:14:19,608 I'm going back to my place. 289 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:23,821 -She just clocked me through the window. -No, I didn't. 290 00:14:23,904 --> 00:14:25,656 I had to get out of the car. 291 00:14:25,739 --> 00:14:27,825 I did have to swan dive her hands. 292 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:30,786 And that wasn't the first time either. Like, let's just be real here. 293 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:33,998 Like-- And, Hayley, there's multiple people that know that. 294 00:14:34,081 --> 00:14:39,253 I just feel so, like, misheard right now. 295 00:14:39,837 --> 00:14:42,172 And I have… I have proof, literally. 296 00:14:42,256 --> 00:14:45,426 Recordings, text messages, everything, 297 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:47,428 that contradict exactly what you're saying. 298 00:14:47,511 --> 00:14:50,890 -And-- I love you so much, but like-- -Stop. 299 00:14:51,432 --> 00:14:54,435 Stop. You and I are not together. 300 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:56,937 -I don't love you. -I still have a love-- 301 00:14:57,021 --> 00:14:59,273 -I don't. -You don't have to. That's okay. 302 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:04,695 If I may, like, we've got, you know-- I've got proof right here. 303 00:15:04,778 --> 00:15:08,616 Two signed affidavits from Hayley saying that none of that ever happened. 304 00:15:08,699 --> 00:15:10,284 That you asked me to sign for you. 305 00:15:10,367 --> 00:15:13,287 I have text messages from you saying that nothing ever happened. 306 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:16,373 I'm curious about the affidavit. Because that's a legally binding document. 307 00:15:16,457 --> 00:15:17,374 Yes. 308 00:15:17,458 --> 00:15:20,836 Hayley, are you suggesting that you were coerced or forced into signing it? 309 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,923 He asked her. I read the text. He asked her to sign the affidavit. 310 00:15:24,006 --> 00:15:27,968 If she could do him "this great pleasure" to sign this affidavit for him. 311 00:15:28,052 --> 00:15:28,886 Yeah, but, Casey, 312 00:15:28,969 --> 00:15:32,473 did you read the top portion of that, where she was saying, 313 00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:35,392 "Nothing happened…" "You don't deserve this"? 314 00:15:35,476 --> 00:15:38,938 Blake, respectfully, we weren't involved in your relationship at all. 315 00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:39,980 We were helping her. 316 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:42,900 If it was reversed, and you were in a really unfortunate situation, 317 00:15:42,983 --> 00:15:44,860 we probably would have helped you. 318 00:15:44,944 --> 00:15:45,986 She read everything, right? 319 00:15:46,070 --> 00:15:48,155 All we wanted to do was make sure she was okay. 320 00:15:48,238 --> 00:15:49,198 Yeah. 321 00:15:50,032 --> 00:15:53,160 I feel like one thing is, like, Blake is, like, this whole time, 322 00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:55,454 he's walking on eggshells, he's trying to be careful-- 323 00:15:55,537 --> 00:15:58,248 -That's what you saw. -You were not there. 324 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:01,085 I'm not saying anything against you, I'm just saying, you weren't there. 325 00:16:01,168 --> 00:16:05,422 Sure, but to think that he just goes home and he's just putting his hands on her… 326 00:16:05,506 --> 00:16:09,176 Look at him. He's pulling out answers for everything. 327 00:16:09,259 --> 00:16:11,136 And she's just saying it's not true. 328 00:16:11,220 --> 00:16:12,972 You think he's the only one that has receipts? 329 00:16:13,055 --> 00:16:15,474 -But where are the receipts? -There's texts. 330 00:16:15,557 --> 00:16:17,601 Yeah, we can look at the mean texts. 331 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:19,311 I'm just gonna be frank here. 332 00:16:19,395 --> 00:16:21,438 That text is like JV football. 333 00:16:21,522 --> 00:16:23,065 Like, we can literally play… 334 00:16:23,148 --> 00:16:26,986 We can bring out varsity with, like, the swingin' and, like, 335 00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:29,279 I'm getting cussed out behind the scenes. 336 00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:31,115 We can do whatever we wanna do. 337 00:16:31,198 --> 00:16:34,702 But going back and forth is just gonna bury each other. 338 00:16:34,785 --> 00:16:36,537 It's not even worth it. 339 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:38,706 Let bygones be bygones, you know? 340 00:16:41,917 --> 00:16:44,670 We have two totally different versions of the same story. 341 00:16:44,753 --> 00:16:48,007 When you're in a toxic relationship, things go sideways. 342 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:50,592 I think it's pretty clear you aren't meant for each other. 343 00:16:50,676 --> 00:16:52,553 And there's nothing wrong with that. 344 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:56,140 I can't tell you enough to take so much of what you've learned from this, 345 00:16:56,223 --> 00:16:57,891 and don't go backwards, go forward. 346 00:16:58,934 --> 00:17:01,311 Well, let's take it back to the show for just a second, 347 00:17:01,395 --> 00:17:03,313 'cause, Blake, we saw on camera, 348 00:17:03,397 --> 00:17:05,899 you learned quite a bit from an A.I. chatbot. 349 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:11,447 And we've all learned quite a bit through your love of an old-fashioned metaphor. 350 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:12,823 Let's take a look. 351 00:17:12,906 --> 00:17:14,033 Let's have some fun. 352 00:17:14,116 --> 00:17:16,577 -Let's see if this bad boy can roll. -Oh, shit! 353 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:21,540 I really do feel like we're two gears that are spinning in the same direction. 354 00:17:21,623 --> 00:17:26,712 It's just about two imperfect people pursuing, you know… 355 00:17:26,795 --> 00:17:28,380 Or two perfect-- 356 00:17:28,464 --> 00:17:32,509 Two imperfect people running hand-in-hand, parallel together. 357 00:17:32,593 --> 00:17:35,387 I think Blake's in the wrong profession. He shouldn't be selling RVs. 358 00:17:35,471 --> 00:17:36,513 He should be a lawyer. 359 00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:39,600 I've got blue hearing aids, and she's got pink hearing aids. 360 00:17:39,683 --> 00:17:43,687 And she's gotta understand my needs of wanting to just be heard. 361 00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:47,024 He can maneuver his way through any slippery slope. 362 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:49,860 -This is not what I expected. -Yeah. 363 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,072 Blake's a tough cookie to crack. He's very descriptive. 364 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:57,910 What this symbolizes to me is a diamond that is… 365 00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:02,956 …eternal in its essence, and is forged under pressure. 366 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,961 He loves to say big words that no one has any idea of what they mean. 367 00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:09,963 I'm not even sure if Blake knows what they mean. 368 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:13,342 She checks the box of, like, someone that I can be with. 369 00:18:13,425 --> 00:18:15,385 Oh my God, his boxes. 370 00:18:15,469 --> 00:18:18,388 I think you're gorgeous. I think that you kinda check that box. 371 00:18:18,472 --> 00:18:19,681 You and your checkbox. 372 00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:21,767 -I'm a visual person… -How many boxes you got, bro? 373 00:18:21,850 --> 00:18:25,270 -Whenever I talk, I'm seeing a picture. -A checkbox. 374 00:18:25,896 --> 00:18:27,064 -Wow. -Wow. 375 00:18:27,147 --> 00:18:29,775 -That was funny, Killian. -Life is a journey. 376 00:18:29,858 --> 00:18:32,402 -Life is a journey? -And love. Love's a journey. 377 00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:35,322 -Love is a battlefield. -Both. Clearly. 378 00:18:35,405 --> 00:18:38,075 -Yeah. -We're seeing that tonight. 379 00:18:38,158 --> 00:18:40,619 Hayley, before we move on, I wanna give you the opportunity 380 00:18:40,702 --> 00:18:42,579 to bring everyone up to speed on where you're at. 381 00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:45,791 Have you been seeing anyone since you and Blake broke things off? 382 00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:47,584 I'm not seeing anyone currently. 383 00:18:47,668 --> 00:18:50,504 I've just been traveling, working on myself. 384 00:18:50,587 --> 00:18:52,756 Blake, are you seeing anyone at the moment? 385 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,052 No, I am single, working on my business, and just focusing on myself. 386 00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:59,096 Now we're gonna check in on our next couple. 387 00:18:59,179 --> 00:19:01,598 She wanted him to take the greatest leap of faith, 388 00:19:01,682 --> 00:19:04,351 and so he jumped off the top of a skyscraper… 389 00:19:04,434 --> 00:19:05,519 Uh-huh. 390 00:19:05,602 --> 00:19:06,603 …to prove his love. 391 00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:09,148 -Hey, Ashley, Killian. -That's right. Welcome, you guys. 392 00:19:09,231 --> 00:19:10,274 Thanks for having us. 393 00:19:10,357 --> 00:19:14,653 The last time we saw you guys, Killian was down on one knee, 394 00:19:15,237 --> 00:19:18,198 but I can see that you're not wearing your engagement ring today. 395 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,576 -No. -So, what happened? 396 00:19:20,659 --> 00:19:26,957 Um, we broke it off about two months-ish after, but, I mean… 397 00:19:27,833 --> 00:19:29,877 He went right back to his ways the first week. 398 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,879 He was going through my phone, 399 00:19:31,962 --> 00:19:35,132 saying me and Blake were texting too much during our Trial Marriage. 400 00:19:35,215 --> 00:19:38,594 Sorry I sent you some TikToks, like, God forbid. 401 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:39,887 But that was so wrong. 402 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:42,764 He went into treating me badly again, 403 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:43,807 lying. 404 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,893 -It just escalated. -Well, let's go back. 405 00:19:45,976 --> 00:19:48,896 I mean, you're saying I was mad about you and Blake sending TikToks. 406 00:19:48,979 --> 00:19:50,564 Imagine if me and Hayley were doing that. 407 00:19:50,647 --> 00:19:52,774 Part of the reason we weren't getting along 408 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:57,321 is that I would be holding six to eight grocery bags, 409 00:19:57,404 --> 00:20:01,617 trying to hold the door open like this, with my foot, while holding groceries, 410 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:06,121 and the door would slip, and she'd go, "I bet you'd hold the door for Hayley." 411 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,918 Is this the stories that you're telling? 412 00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:12,377 -You said-- -The problem is you. 413 00:20:12,461 --> 00:20:15,547 -You're going straight to me. -How you treat me. That's not the problem. 414 00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:17,925 The problem is you went right back to your ways. 415 00:20:18,008 --> 00:20:19,968 -I'm always the problem. -You treated me like shit. 416 00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:21,261 Everyone here knows it. 417 00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:23,639 -I have. Yes, I have. I've admitted that. -Everyone. 418 00:20:23,722 --> 00:20:25,307 -I apologize again. -I had grace. 419 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:28,185 -I gave you chance after chance. -And I… 420 00:20:28,268 --> 00:20:30,979 I even stood up for you and looked like an idiot. 421 00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:35,150 And it continued to escalate, and I was like, "I can't do this anymore." 422 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:39,696 My parents had to come down because he was throwing my phone, breaking it. 423 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:41,615 -Why did that happen? -I hid in a closet. 424 00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:43,617 My parents had to fly down. 425 00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,744 -And you put your hands on me. -Because I texted them. 426 00:20:45,827 --> 00:20:49,289 -I had to call the police to find you. -You did not! Call my dad right now. 427 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:50,457 I had to find you. 428 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:53,085 They flew their ass there because you broke my phone. 429 00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:55,087 I couldn't contact anybody. 430 00:20:55,170 --> 00:20:58,215 Ran down to valet, and said, "I need someone to come get me." 431 00:20:58,298 --> 00:21:01,802 -You treated me like absolute shit. -How did we get to the broken phone? 432 00:21:01,885 --> 00:21:03,095 You get drunk. 433 00:21:03,178 --> 00:21:05,973 -You deny it. -Right, it's my fault. 'Cause I drink. 434 00:21:06,056 --> 00:21:08,517 -You get drunk every time you drink. -It's not about-- 435 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,811 It's not. It's every time you trigger me. 436 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:13,981 You never really sat there and poured into me. 437 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,774 Like, "How are you feeling?" 438 00:21:15,857 --> 00:21:17,651 Other than the basics. 439 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:21,029 -The safe boundary goes away. -I didn't help with this alcohol problem? 440 00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:23,365 You're saying I didn't-- I'm asking. I'm clarifying. 441 00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:26,118 -I'm not trying to attack you. -We're not talking about the alcohol. 442 00:21:26,201 --> 00:21:27,953 I'm talking about in life. 443 00:21:28,036 --> 00:21:29,663 Let me take you back to that night 444 00:21:29,746 --> 00:21:33,375 where you guys made the decision to propose and to accept. 445 00:21:33,458 --> 00:21:36,920 Was there a part of you in that moment that felt it was maybe the wrong decision? 446 00:21:37,004 --> 00:21:39,715 I wouldn't say I thought it was the wrong decision. 447 00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:42,759 Did I think those things would happen again? 448 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:47,556 Yes, most likely. And my point is, I truly apologize to you. 449 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:49,808 Like, I have put you through shit. 450 00:21:49,891 --> 00:21:51,893 Genuinely. And I apologize for that. 451 00:21:51,977 --> 00:21:54,229 Still, up until two months ago, you were rage-texting me. 452 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:56,189 And I apologize for putting you through shit. 453 00:21:56,273 --> 00:21:57,316 But again, 454 00:21:57,399 --> 00:22:04,406 you will not take one piece of accountability for anything. 455 00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:07,534 -You're saying I didn't "pour into you." -You haven't said sorry once. 456 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:12,748 I poured into you so much that I ended up losing myself over it. 457 00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:15,959 Why stay with me for five years if I didn't pour a single thing into you? 458 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:20,047 Because it's so hard for me to think about, 459 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:21,882 "This is gonna fail. Let go." 460 00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:25,469 There's been multiple-- Like, wow. So many times where I could have left. 461 00:22:25,552 --> 00:22:27,429 When the thing with your dad happened, 462 00:22:27,512 --> 00:22:29,681 I could've left and said, "I'm not gonna deal with this." 463 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:32,100 He was right. 464 00:22:33,477 --> 00:22:35,312 There is no denying you guys loved each other. 465 00:22:35,395 --> 00:22:38,523 There's no denying that you even tried. That's why you were on The Ultimatum. 466 00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:40,859 Can I ask you who called off the engagement? 467 00:22:41,526 --> 00:22:45,280 I did. Dodged a bullet. 468 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,450 I mean, like, leaving him was the best thing I could do for myself. 469 00:22:48,533 --> 00:22:50,160 And it saved me, genuinely. 470 00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:53,080 I think he's a great person, but we were not great together. 471 00:22:54,247 --> 00:22:55,999 Ashley, are you seeing anybody now? 472 00:22:56,083 --> 00:22:59,753 No. I'm living my best life. I'm good. 473 00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:01,004 Killian, how about you? 474 00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:02,839 -You seeing anybody? Done dating? -No. 475 00:23:02,923 --> 00:23:05,801 When Ash and I ended things, I kind of came to this conclusion 476 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:09,721 that I don't think it would be fair to even put someone in that position. 477 00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:12,933 Yeah, you guys have to finish and button up this chapter. 478 00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:16,228 And you need to be in the best mental and emotional state. 479 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,564 Well, guys, let's talk about your Trial Marriages a little bit. 480 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:23,110 Killian, Ashley, Blake, and Hayley. That was our fearsome foursome. 481 00:23:23,193 --> 00:23:28,407 We're gonna talk about the early morning four-way, five-hour conversation. 482 00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:30,450 What was it like for you guys watching this back 483 00:23:30,534 --> 00:23:33,787 and watching the clock go, like, 5:00 a.m., 6:00 a.m., 7:00 a.m.? 484 00:23:33,870 --> 00:23:35,664 -It felt that long. -For sure. 485 00:23:35,747 --> 00:23:38,166 -It was five hours. -We watched the sun come up. 486 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:39,126 Were you texting? 487 00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:40,627 How were you guys communicating 488 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:43,422 within this apartment complex you were all living in? 489 00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,132 -Letters. -Letters? 490 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:46,675 -Old school letters. -We love a note. 491 00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:50,178 -Oh, hey, Jebin, what's up? -You know me, that's my specialty. 492 00:23:51,263 --> 00:23:52,347 So, letters? 493 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:54,307 There was no boundaries. We were all texting. 494 00:23:54,391 --> 00:23:57,978 We were all doing a telephone game, and it got out of hand. 495 00:23:58,061 --> 00:24:00,105 Which was taking away from the experience, 496 00:24:00,188 --> 00:24:02,315 and then derailed, and then became this cluster. 497 00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:03,483 -Literally. -Yes. 498 00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,193 -It was. -The only way to describe it. 499 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,737 So, was it jealousy-driven? Was it fear-based? 500 00:24:07,821 --> 00:24:12,200 I think it was jealousy-driven, insecurities. 501 00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:16,288 The overlapping of hearing different stories from others. 502 00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:21,668 I felt I was mediating their relationship 503 00:24:21,751 --> 00:24:24,796 and being kind of like a therapist, in a sense. 504 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,548 Like, giving Killian advice. 505 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:30,302 Like, "Hey, you should apologize to her for X, Y, and Z." 506 00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:34,055 Or, "Do you see how Ashley maybe could've been right?" 507 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:37,767 In the sense, like, being in their relationship. 508 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:44,691 And then, it made me spiral whenever I was reading all their messages. 509 00:24:44,774 --> 00:24:47,652 Me and Hayley both kept saying, "We feel we were being puppeteered." 510 00:24:47,736 --> 00:24:49,029 We kept saying that for a reason. 511 00:24:49,112 --> 00:24:52,240 Like, we just felt like it was round and round and round. 512 00:24:52,324 --> 00:24:57,454 And the most-used word in our four little quad squad was "manipulation." 513 00:24:57,537 --> 00:24:59,414 -Yeah. -I can only imagine. 514 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:01,750 It's not easy to be in a Trial Marriage, 515 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:04,044 and wonder what your other half is doing, et cetera. 516 00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:07,380 But there's a reason you're encouraged to refer to them as your ex. 517 00:25:07,464 --> 00:25:09,216 -Because that's what they have to be. -Yeah. 518 00:25:09,299 --> 00:25:11,426 That's the way the experiment is designed. 519 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,678 I don't think it's a random coincidence 520 00:25:13,762 --> 00:25:17,224 that the four people sitting up here who respected those boundaries 521 00:25:17,307 --> 00:25:20,268 had a much different experience than you all did. 522 00:25:20,352 --> 00:25:23,563 Yeah, I'm really grateful that we really dove into the experience, 523 00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:25,315 because it really took us out of our heads, 524 00:25:25,398 --> 00:25:26,858 and kind of into the reality 525 00:25:26,942 --> 00:25:29,945 of what we actually needed to work on in our relationship. 526 00:25:30,028 --> 00:25:31,488 Yeah, and I'd add on, 527 00:25:31,571 --> 00:25:34,574 what was talked about between the four of you a lot was insecurities. 528 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:36,952 And I struggled with that coming into this. 529 00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:40,997 I had an insecurity about this woman that I love, 530 00:25:41,081 --> 00:25:43,625 and so I sent her off to the rest of you guys to date 531 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:48,213 and go through a Trial Marriage to confirm that, "Okay, she does like me." 532 00:25:48,296 --> 00:25:51,132 "I'm just insecure. She still chooses me at the end of this." 533 00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:53,176 That's kinda the whole point of this. 534 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:57,889 I think without letting that X factor go, it just kind of solidified that, 535 00:25:57,973 --> 00:25:59,349 while you guys love each other, 536 00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:01,268 the four of you are not meant to be together. 537 00:26:01,351 --> 00:26:03,520 Not only with your spouse, but with your trial spouse. 538 00:26:03,603 --> 00:26:04,437 Yeah, but… 539 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,940 -What were you gonna say, Killian? -Literally, the four of you. 540 00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,442 -No, I don't wanna start shit. -Okay. 541 00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:13,488 Killian, now I wanna get to these text messages from your friends. 542 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:17,200 I believe we have a reminder here on tape. Let's take a look. 543 00:26:17,284 --> 00:26:20,161 Killian is not gonna join us today. 544 00:26:20,245 --> 00:26:22,831 We just got in an argument. 545 00:26:22,914 --> 00:26:25,917 -Okay. Mm-hm. -On the way here, in the car, he's like… 546 00:26:27,544 --> 00:26:30,589 On his phone. His friends were literally texting about me. 547 00:26:30,672 --> 00:26:32,382 "Oh yeah, we're gonna bang her and…" 548 00:26:32,465 --> 00:26:35,135 -They are going to? -Yes. 549 00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:38,471 "We're gonna change the show's history." I literally took a picture of it. 550 00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:42,267 What a dirtbag. What did he say back? 551 00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:46,104 "Killian went from big boob babe to a flat brunette L. Ha-ha-ha-ha." 552 00:26:46,187 --> 00:26:48,106 -"L," as in loser? -Yes. 553 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:51,234 "Who won't even put out. Fucked up." 554 00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:53,820 He was typing, "It is kind of fucked up." 555 00:26:53,903 --> 00:26:58,033 And then he said, "We're gonna bang her and change the show's history." 556 00:26:58,116 --> 00:27:00,660 "Anal Ultimatum cast member." 557 00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:02,704 Killian said, "Ha-ha-ha, that was fucking wild." 558 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:08,168 So, Killian, clearly this was a big moment 559 00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:10,629 in your Trial Marriage with Hayley. 560 00:27:10,712 --> 00:27:14,382 Why didn't you defend Hayley in that moment to your friend? 561 00:27:14,466 --> 00:27:18,428 I don't know. I just didn't take it as deeply as I should have. 562 00:27:18,511 --> 00:27:23,350 Like, when I said, "That's wild," that's more like, "Okay, that's a lot." 563 00:27:23,433 --> 00:27:27,270 You know? It's not an excuse, and it should have been stopped. 564 00:27:27,354 --> 00:27:29,314 That would've been the respectful thing to do. 565 00:27:29,397 --> 00:27:32,651 I think you should have spoke-- It doesn't matter who it's about. 566 00:27:32,734 --> 00:27:35,654 I don't think it's appropriate to talk about a person like that. 567 00:27:35,737 --> 00:27:37,656 It just would've been a good opportunity for you 568 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,241 to tell your friend that that wasn't appropriate. 569 00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:43,328 Don't surround yourself with people that talk about women that way. 570 00:27:43,411 --> 00:27:44,537 -I understand. -You know? 571 00:27:44,621 --> 00:27:46,456 -It's hard to defend, Killian. -I was saying-- 572 00:27:46,539 --> 00:27:48,708 I'm not saying anyone needs to defend anything, though. 573 00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:55,173 I am completely taking accountability that I fucked a lot of Hayley's shit. 574 00:27:55,256 --> 00:27:58,176 And I'll be honest, everyone's shit. 575 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,596 Well, I know there's a lot to unpack, 576 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,432 but for the purpose of this moment with the fearsome foursome, 577 00:28:04,516 --> 00:28:08,645 I hope you find some closure in this. We really do truly wish you the best. 578 00:28:08,728 --> 00:28:11,022 We just hope that you learned from this. 579 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:12,607 -Yeah. -Would you do it again? 580 00:28:12,691 --> 00:28:13,858 -I would. -Hell, no. 581 00:28:13,942 --> 00:28:14,984 -You would? -Yeah. 582 00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:16,611 -Killian? -No. 583 00:28:17,278 --> 00:28:19,698 -Ashley, would you do it again? -Maybe something else. 584 00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:20,949 I don't know. Not this. 585 00:28:21,032 --> 00:28:23,410 She said "Something else," trying to get on Perfect Match. 586 00:28:23,493 --> 00:28:25,578 No, I'm kidding! 587 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:27,914 Let's go. 588 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,458 All right, we all know Casey can fly a helicopter, 589 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:34,587 but the thing she truly wanted to land was a proposal from David. 590 00:28:34,671 --> 00:28:35,505 Ba-dum-bum. 591 00:28:35,588 --> 00:28:38,174 And after three promise rings, he finally came through. 592 00:28:38,258 --> 00:28:39,259 Got them on. 593 00:28:39,342 --> 00:28:40,885 Casey and David. 594 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:42,262 -Yep. -How are we feeling? 595 00:28:42,345 --> 00:28:43,430 -Feeling great. Yeah. -Good! 596 00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:45,014 I'm blinded by the ring. 597 00:28:45,098 --> 00:28:46,599 -It is blinding. -We're engaged. 598 00:28:46,683 --> 00:28:48,184 -So beautiful! -It is. 599 00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:50,478 We went back, celebrated with family. 600 00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:52,564 -Took a trip to Cabo. -Yeah, it's amazing. 601 00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:54,232 -Just enjoyed it. -Holy smokes! 602 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,818 -David done good. -Pro basketball player money. 603 00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:58,570 -Good job. -Big diamond energy. 604 00:28:58,653 --> 00:29:00,780 -He did a good job. -Oh, B.D.E. ring. 605 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:03,199 -Yeah, that is B.D.E. right there. -She deserves it. 606 00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:04,117 Thanks. 607 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,079 We've just been living life and just really celebrating each other. 608 00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:11,124 I would say, like, the main thing we got out of the show was, 609 00:29:11,207 --> 00:29:13,752 we learned how to fight with each other or argue with each other. 610 00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:14,669 Effectively. 611 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,130 How we argued was just really unproductive. 612 00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:19,507 -Interesting. -The most important thing. 613 00:29:19,591 --> 00:29:21,509 I'm really happy for you guys. 614 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:25,680 I… You know, Casey, you and I had that conversation at the girls' night. 615 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,515 I remember going back to David that night 616 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,602 and having so many great things to say about your progress with Luke. 617 00:29:30,685 --> 00:29:31,811 -She did the same. -Yeah. 618 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:33,313 Luke told me afterwards 619 00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:35,690 that you came back from that and had great things to say. 620 00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,109 I left that conversation feeling really excited 621 00:29:38,193 --> 00:29:40,028 about the work that you guys were doing. 622 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:42,822 Honestly, that conversation is because there was a time 623 00:29:42,906 --> 00:29:46,201 where Monica wanted more physical touch from David. 624 00:29:46,284 --> 00:29:49,370 And so I actually had to ask to speak with Monica separately. 625 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,623 And that conversation was really productive. 626 00:29:51,706 --> 00:29:55,919 You know, if it was something past hugging or what she needed, 627 00:29:56,002 --> 00:29:59,130 then those are just boundaries that I would have been there to mention, 628 00:29:59,214 --> 00:30:03,968 "Hey, it's not fair to push his comfort, you know, with physical especially." 629 00:30:04,052 --> 00:30:06,971 I mean, imagine if a guy wanted you to be more touchy-feely 630 00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,723 when you were uncomfortable with it. 631 00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:12,602 But she did explain to me, in that moment, that what she wanted was more hugs. 632 00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:16,022 I even told her, "If that's what you want, if it's not pushing his boundaries, 633 00:30:16,105 --> 00:30:17,023 then ask him for that." 634 00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:17,941 Mm-hm. Yeah. 635 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:21,110 I'm curious what your families thought, because after three promise rings, 636 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:22,570 and then you're going on this show, 637 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:25,532 how did they receive the news when you told them that you were engaged? 638 00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:27,909 We actually went to our hometowns when we got back. 639 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,537 We went to see my family, and they were really excited for us. 640 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:31,955 They were super happy for us. 641 00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:34,791 My dad, of course, jokes that, "Okay. Thank goodness, finally." 642 00:30:34,874 --> 00:30:36,459 -"That's what wanna I see." -Yeah. 643 00:30:36,543 --> 00:30:38,336 He had been very patiently waiting for me. 644 00:30:38,419 --> 00:30:40,839 'Cause he knew where I stood since the beginning. 645 00:30:40,922 --> 00:30:44,092 And then we got to go down to where David's from 646 00:30:44,175 --> 00:30:45,385 and be with his family. 647 00:30:45,468 --> 00:30:48,179 -It was just a really-- -Yeah, they loved it. My mom's like, "Ah!" 648 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,098 My sister, all them love her to death. 649 00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:52,433 -My dad-- -His mom-- Sorry to cut you off, babe. 650 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,727 -Go ahead. -His mom, um… You can explain the… 651 00:30:54,811 --> 00:30:57,522 Yeah, so, my mom, she looked at me, made me tear up. 652 00:30:57,605 --> 00:31:00,108 She was like, "You know what? You made me believe in love again." 653 00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:01,943 -That's awesome. -She's a hopeless romantic. 654 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:04,654 Being divorced over and over again, just always believed in love. 655 00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:06,030 For a second, she just stopped. 656 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:09,534 When we came back, she was like, "Y'all made me believe in love." 657 00:31:09,617 --> 00:31:13,037 Isn't it crazy you didn't want to repeat a pattern you saw your mom go through… 658 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:13,955 A hundred percent. 659 00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:17,834 …but meanwhile, you healed yourself, broke the cycle, and are now healing her? 660 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:19,502 -100%. -Writing a new chapter. 661 00:31:19,586 --> 00:31:21,629 -A beautiful circle. Wow. -That was big too. 662 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:23,339 Black sheep turning into the GOAT. 663 00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:25,925 -You'll put that on a shirt! -Black sheep turning into the GOAT! 664 00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:27,844 It was pretty, you know… 665 00:31:27,927 --> 00:31:29,596 -Full-circle moment. -It was. 666 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,806 But we wonder what your mom would think 667 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:35,351 about the future baby name Clitoris or Cli-tor-is. 668 00:31:35,435 --> 00:31:36,477 -I know. -Clitoris. 669 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,314 -This is a "cement" or "ce-ment" moment. -Roman, "Clitoris!" 670 00:31:39,397 --> 00:31:41,482 Can you imagine? "Clitoris" is such a pretty name 671 00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:42,901 if it didn't mean what it was. 672 00:31:42,984 --> 00:31:43,985 Okay, let's see. 673 00:31:44,068 --> 00:31:46,154 "Oh, hey, girl. What's up, Clitoris?" 674 00:31:46,237 --> 00:31:49,741 Well, as someone who had a name that rhymes with… my whole life, 675 00:31:49,824 --> 00:31:51,784 I can tell you how traumatic that was for me. 676 00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:55,413 -I can only imagine being named Clitoris. -Nick Lachey is not Dick Lachey. 677 00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:57,498 Sometimes. 678 00:31:57,582 --> 00:31:58,541 -Hey! -Oh! 679 00:31:58,625 --> 00:32:02,253 Guys, now on to a couple whose journey in this experiment was brief, 680 00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:05,256 but they both definitely made a big impression on everyone 681 00:32:05,340 --> 00:32:06,549 during their time here. 682 00:32:06,633 --> 00:32:09,344 -Welcome back, Alex and Jebin. What's up? -Hi! 683 00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:10,511 -How's it going? -Hi. 684 00:32:10,595 --> 00:32:11,679 What's up, boy? 685 00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,766 Alex, you wanna fill us in? I see that you got some bangs. 686 00:32:14,849 --> 00:32:16,935 Yes, I did. 687 00:32:17,018 --> 00:32:20,021 When you guys left that night, it was high, high emotions. 688 00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:22,440 And you left separately. What happened that evening? 689 00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:24,067 It was really intense. 690 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:27,320 Right before that, I was like, "Okay, this is gonna go amazing." 691 00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:31,115 Like, "I literally am so in love with this man." 692 00:32:31,199 --> 00:32:33,117 "I'm going to marry him." 693 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:38,748 And then just hearing, like, the girls, even some of the guys, and you guys, 694 00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:44,003 it was just like in this, like, whirlwind of just emotions and-- 695 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:45,797 Just really confused. 696 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,007 It was, yeah, a mess. 697 00:32:48,591 --> 00:32:50,635 To second-guess yourself is not something that's easy. 698 00:32:50,718 --> 00:32:53,513 You guys had been together for six years, up to that point, correct? 699 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:54,514 Yeah. 700 00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:56,182 And now, to your point, 701 00:32:56,265 --> 00:32:58,726 other women, other men, even us at that point, were like, 702 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,478 -"Alex, what are you doing?" -Uh-huh. 703 00:33:00,561 --> 00:33:03,022 So after that, did you guys get back together? 704 00:33:04,273 --> 00:33:07,443 Yeah, I mean, we were good, like, coming off of the show. 705 00:33:07,527 --> 00:33:09,320 -So you did stay together? -Yeah. So-- 706 00:33:09,404 --> 00:33:10,321 Yeah, we did. 707 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,035 I've been where he was. 708 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:20,790 Where-- Just, like, the overreacting and, like, super emotional. 709 00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:23,418 I was like, "You should not have talked to me that way." 710 00:33:23,501 --> 00:33:27,338 We had a discussion, and he apologized, like, that night. 711 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:30,925 And he just, like, let me know, like, how much he does, like, love me. 712 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,469 That's the reason why he, like, rashed out. 713 00:33:34,303 --> 00:33:36,305 Do you regret at all writing the note? Or… 714 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:40,351 Like, I regret it because of how, like, harsh I was on the note, 715 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:43,563 but the reason I don't regret it is because of, like, how it played out. 716 00:33:43,646 --> 00:33:44,564 Me getting kicked off, 717 00:33:44,647 --> 00:33:46,274 I think that was the right thing to happen. 718 00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:49,485 There was actually a second note that I wrote. 719 00:33:50,486 --> 00:33:52,572 And honestly, that note was worse. 720 00:33:52,655 --> 00:33:54,407 Oh, jeez. 721 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,492 -Obviously, I shouldn't have. -Like, why are… 722 00:33:56,576 --> 00:33:59,203 -What? -I shouldn't have said that. 723 00:33:59,287 --> 00:34:02,373 We tried to move forward from that point, tried to work through our problems. 724 00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:04,792 Then I knew that I was gonna move to Puerto Rico. 725 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:07,420 -What is he talking about? -I don't know. 726 00:34:07,503 --> 00:34:09,547 Are you guys together now? 727 00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:10,590 -No. -No? 728 00:34:10,673 --> 00:34:12,175 -Have you guys remained friends? -Yeah. 729 00:34:12,258 --> 00:34:14,927 -Mm-hm. Yeah. -Yeah. We're on good terms. We're friends. 730 00:34:15,011 --> 00:34:16,971 -But you're not dating. -Not dating. 731 00:34:17,055 --> 00:34:18,514 -No. For sure. Yeah. -No. 732 00:34:18,598 --> 00:34:21,601 I'm so grateful that we had this experience, 733 00:34:21,684 --> 00:34:24,604 for me to realize there's still so much growing 734 00:34:24,687 --> 00:34:27,440 that we need to do, like, within ourselves. 735 00:34:27,523 --> 00:34:30,401 I thought, if we had gone through the whole thing, I was gonna get married. 736 00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:32,570 There was no doubt in my mind, but then, like, 737 00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:35,239 the person I was a year ago is not the person I am today. 738 00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:39,327 And I know, like, I don't think I wanna get married until I'm like 35. 739 00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:41,662 -I'm a long way away… -How old are you right now? 740 00:34:41,746 --> 00:34:44,832 Twenty-four. 741 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,419 Well, it sounds like The Ultimatum probably wasn't the right show for you. 742 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:49,337 Yeah, for sure. 743 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:50,588 After watching it back, 744 00:34:50,671 --> 00:34:53,049 I would've been texting, shown up at the door. 745 00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:56,052 -Banging on the door. -He would've pounded on the fucking door. 746 00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:57,512 -Yeah, so… -Like… 747 00:34:57,595 --> 00:35:01,474 I've gotten kicked out of a lot of things, but I'm glad I got kicked off this show. 748 00:35:01,557 --> 00:35:03,851 Seriously. Thank you, guys, really. 749 00:35:03,935 --> 00:35:08,022 Sitting here, I think we can all tell that you have a different perspective. 750 00:35:08,106 --> 00:35:09,565 -We're proud of you. -Thank you. 751 00:35:09,649 --> 00:35:12,068 -Easily the best laugh this entire season. -Oh my gosh. 752 00:35:12,151 --> 00:35:16,364 I was getting annoyed at the laugh. I'm watching, and I'm like, "Yo, shut up." 753 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,117 Hey, yeah, that was… 754 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,370 Well, we certainly wish you guys nothing but the best going forward, so… 755 00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:26,207 -In Puerto Rico. -If you guys wanna visit, swing some golf. 756 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:29,585 Can you imagine you go to see Jebin? 757 00:35:32,255 --> 00:35:35,508 -We'd make it through about three holes. -Maybe I'll write you a note too, Nick. 758 00:35:35,591 --> 00:35:38,886 Maybe I'll write you a note, Jebin. 759 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:39,804 All right, guys. 760 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,723 Switching gears to the other couple who left the experience early, 761 00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:44,892 but for the complete opposite reason. 762 00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:46,644 They got engaged. 763 00:35:46,727 --> 00:35:48,771 What's up, Jessica Grace, Edris. 764 00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:52,942 Let's remind ourselves of how dramatic that proposal actually was. 765 00:35:53,025 --> 00:35:54,110 Let's take a look. 766 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:09,584 Uh-oh. 767 00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:11,169 Oh. 768 00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:13,129 -Oh my gosh. -Shut up. 769 00:36:14,338 --> 00:36:16,757 -Oh my gosh. Stop. -Dog. 770 00:36:17,967 --> 00:36:19,302 Come on. 771 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,225 Will you marry me? 772 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,065 Yes, of course I will. 773 00:36:33,649 --> 00:36:35,860 Oh… 774 00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:38,112 Yay! 775 00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:39,614 -That was so good. -Oh! 776 00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:43,451 Oh, oh, oh! 777 00:36:43,534 --> 00:36:45,203 Always be 778 00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:47,747 Congratulations. 779 00:36:47,830 --> 00:36:49,999 This is some crazy stuff. 780 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,253 All right. I got you. 781 00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:57,715 -I know you got me. I got you too. -Mm-hm. 782 00:36:58,549 --> 00:36:59,383 I love you. 783 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:00,760 I love you too. 784 00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:04,805 No matter where we go 785 00:37:04,889 --> 00:37:07,058 Nothing's impossible 786 00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:10,561 -Yikes. -Only heaven knows 787 00:37:10,645 --> 00:37:12,146 Oh, okay. 788 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,523 -So a new piece of hardware. -Like that look! 789 00:37:14,607 --> 00:37:16,359 That's wild. 790 00:37:16,442 --> 00:37:19,362 -In the melody -Shout out to your boy. 791 00:37:19,445 --> 00:37:22,198 When it's you and me 792 00:37:22,281 --> 00:37:23,824 The kiss at the end and the walkaway-- 793 00:37:23,908 --> 00:37:25,076 Oh. Oh my God! 794 00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:26,661 -By the way… -Sit down! 795 00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:28,996 One of the greatest fake-outs ever. 796 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:29,997 Yeah. 797 00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:31,540 That was classic. 798 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:35,378 But we are noticing that you guys are sitting not next to each other. 799 00:37:35,461 --> 00:37:37,004 So, Jessica Grace, 800 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:40,091 what is your relationship status with Edris today? 801 00:37:40,174 --> 00:37:41,676 There is none. 802 00:37:43,803 --> 00:37:47,390 Edris was very conflicted about the proposal. 803 00:37:47,473 --> 00:37:51,018 As soon as the cameras were off, he didn't touch me. 804 00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:54,355 He didn't kiss me. We didn't speak until the next day. 805 00:37:55,898 --> 00:38:00,319 I felt like that should have been a moment of celebration. 806 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:04,573 We could have started to make each other feel very chosen. 807 00:38:04,657 --> 00:38:08,286 And… it wasn't that. 808 00:38:08,995 --> 00:38:11,914 My heart was in the right place. Uh, I love Jessica. 809 00:38:11,998 --> 00:38:15,126 I was gonna get married, like 100%. Like, I was gonna get married. 810 00:38:15,209 --> 00:38:17,586 You know? That was my main goal. 811 00:38:18,212 --> 00:38:20,715 I just felt like, um… I just felt angry. 812 00:38:20,798 --> 00:38:22,883 Like, so fucking angry. 813 00:38:22,967 --> 00:38:26,804 Like, it had nothing to do against Jessica at the time. 814 00:38:26,887 --> 00:38:31,767 The way I saw the situation was that I was gonna pick Alex. 815 00:38:32,393 --> 00:38:34,312 And then, like, that was revoked. 816 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:36,105 You know, Alex was gone. 817 00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:39,400 And in my mind, I'm thinking, like, "There's no more of the experience." 818 00:38:39,483 --> 00:38:40,735 Right? "We're done." 819 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:44,196 My only options in this last second are to, like, 820 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,034 reject the girl that I love, that I came on this TV show for, 821 00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:51,162 or get married with her, right? 822 00:38:51,245 --> 00:38:55,916 And so that's why-- But it was-- It felt so fucking forced. 823 00:38:56,751 --> 00:39:00,588 There's a clip even of me, um, acknowledging the fact 824 00:39:00,671 --> 00:39:03,049 that we still obviously had things to work through. 825 00:39:03,132 --> 00:39:06,093 And because we didn't go through the experience with the rest of you guys, 826 00:39:06,177 --> 00:39:08,596 we didn't get a chance to address any of that. 827 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:13,017 So, um, we got into couples counseling pretty quickly. 828 00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:17,480 It felt productive at some points. 829 00:39:17,563 --> 00:39:21,192 But I shouldn't be standing in our kitchen and hear, 830 00:39:21,275 --> 00:39:23,611 after all of the shit that you've given me 831 00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:27,073 about being too friendly with the opposite sex in the gym, 832 00:39:27,156 --> 00:39:32,411 that you have allowed yourself in an hour span of dating people 833 00:39:32,495 --> 00:39:35,414 to develop a sexual attraction to a girl that I'm now friends with, 834 00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:37,166 and then accuse me 835 00:39:37,249 --> 00:39:40,002 of only developing this friendship with her 836 00:39:40,086 --> 00:39:41,170 to keep you from doing that. 837 00:39:41,253 --> 00:39:44,215 I should not have to hear that from my fiancé 838 00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:47,426 when we're trying to work through shit. 839 00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:51,889 Was there something going on between Alex and Edris? 840 00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:55,059 No, and he's got the text messages to prove it. 841 00:39:55,142 --> 00:39:56,977 -Edris is… -Wait, no…? 842 00:39:57,061 --> 00:39:59,939 Well, on the show, Edris said he would have picked Alex. 843 00:40:00,022 --> 00:40:03,234 -So clearly there was some attraction. -Yeah, no. 844 00:40:03,317 --> 00:40:07,029 There was a message that I got from Edris 845 00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:10,825 at a point when they were trying to fix their relationship. 846 00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:16,831 And I was literally talking to JG, literally, every single day. 847 00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:19,834 So we had been officially "broken up" by this point. 848 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:20,751 -Okay. -Okay? 849 00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,629 He broke up with me the day before our anniversary, by the way. 850 00:40:23,712 --> 00:40:28,384 I moved out July 4th, and we're still working on things. 851 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:30,970 We're still being intimate. We're still hanging out. 852 00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:33,264 I'm still cooking you traditional Afghan meals 853 00:40:33,347 --> 00:40:34,598 that I've never had before. 854 00:40:35,182 --> 00:40:36,934 We're still traveling together. 855 00:40:37,017 --> 00:40:39,770 Alex, because we are friends at this point, 856 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:44,942 like, calls me immediately when Edris sent her this message. 857 00:40:45,025 --> 00:40:49,780 She let me know that Edris hit on her. 858 00:40:49,864 --> 00:40:50,823 Yeah, I hit on her. 859 00:40:50,906 --> 00:40:52,700 He's honest. 860 00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:57,705 I also shouldn't have to hear your homeboy on speakerphone, 861 00:40:57,788 --> 00:40:59,874 not asking about what you're gonna do about me, 862 00:40:59,957 --> 00:41:01,709 but what you're gonna do about Alex. 863 00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:04,211 -The disrespect. -Alex, I wanna hear from you. 864 00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:07,381 Because we've established that there was some attempt to… 865 00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:09,550 connect with you, 866 00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:12,261 but you guys don't even live in the same place, do you? 867 00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:13,929 No. I was just in shock. 868 00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:18,309 Honestly, I thought it was, like, just to rile her up. 869 00:41:18,893 --> 00:41:21,770 He knew that I was, like, talking to her every day. 870 00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:25,900 -So, I just found it, like, insane. -What did he reach out and say? What was-- 871 00:41:25,983 --> 00:41:30,154 Oh, it was just like, "How about we start a Trial Marriage?" 872 00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,656 Or, like, "Let's try this out." 873 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:35,826 Don't think I did anything inappropriate. Alex sent me a text. 874 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:40,623 She's like, "How dare you do that? 'Cause I'm friends with Jessica now." 875 00:41:40,706 --> 00:41:43,250 And then pretty much what I said was like, 876 00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:45,794 "I respect your boundary, that you're friends with Jessica now." 877 00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:47,880 "And you won't do anything, and that's cool." 878 00:41:47,963 --> 00:41:52,134 "But, like, you know… I'm a single person." 879 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:55,137 Here's the thing. If you're single, stay single. 880 00:41:55,221 --> 00:41:58,098 Don't come travel with me. Don't do that. 881 00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:00,518 If you want Alex, that's great. That's fine. She's beautiful. 882 00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:04,188 Hell, I want Alex half the time. She's a bad bitch, okay? 883 00:42:04,271 --> 00:42:09,401 But don't sit here and piss on me and tell me it's not raining. 884 00:42:11,070 --> 00:42:12,947 Or whatever the turn of phrase is. 885 00:42:14,073 --> 00:42:20,329 Like, don't put me through literal hell, have me performing humiliation rituals. 886 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:25,417 Have me being obedient to you, fucking punishing me. 887 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:29,463 Wait, I'm sorry. You just opened a box. 888 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:32,132 And we're gonna keep it closed, 'cause I'm not getting into that. 889 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:33,926 He knows what it is. 890 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:36,637 And it's fucking disgusting. 891 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,389 We weren't working out. 892 00:42:39,431 --> 00:42:44,103 Regardless of the things that went down towards the end of the relationship, 893 00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:46,689 we were done. 894 00:42:46,772 --> 00:42:48,649 I broke up with you. 895 00:42:49,775 --> 00:42:52,778 Then why are you having me in your…? Okay. 896 00:42:52,861 --> 00:42:55,364 I broke up with you, and I told you to leave my house. 897 00:42:55,447 --> 00:42:56,949 It's my fault too. I agree. 898 00:42:57,032 --> 00:43:00,995 I agree that the last time I broke up with you, guess what we did? 899 00:43:01,078 --> 00:43:02,246 We fucked. 900 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:05,207 -Oh my gosh. -Watch your mouth. 901 00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:07,293 -We did. And you know we did. -I know we did! 902 00:43:07,376 --> 00:43:09,003 And you left that day, and I called. 903 00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:12,172 I texted you over the phone after we had broken up, after we fucked. 904 00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:14,800 -And I said, "I regretted fucking you." -Oh… 905 00:43:14,883 --> 00:43:17,386 -You did not say that. -It should not happen. I did. 906 00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:19,346 After I busted, dude. Literally, I just-- 907 00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:22,391 -Watch your fucking mouth! -I just fucking orgasmed, dude. 908 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,351 Watch your mouth! 909 00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:28,439 -Do not cross the line! -I apologize. Sorry. 910 00:43:28,522 --> 00:43:31,108 Oh, an apology! First time for everything! 911 00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:32,860 Watch your mouth! 912 00:43:32,943 --> 00:43:36,572 Because I am done with you disrespecting me. 913 00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:47,041 You know, guys, I think the very premise of The Ultimatum, the reason it exists, 914 00:43:47,124 --> 00:43:51,003 is because someone in the relationship is not getting what they need. 915 00:43:51,086 --> 00:43:54,715 And I think… very clearly, 916 00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:58,344 you're desiring something different from what Edris is desiring, 917 00:43:58,427 --> 00:44:00,095 and it just did not work out. 918 00:44:00,179 --> 00:44:02,473 I think you've gone through a lot. 919 00:44:02,556 --> 00:44:05,726 Take everything you've learned from this and go with it. 920 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:10,898 And know you're gonna be better off on the other side. 921 00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:13,942 We obviously wish you guys the best moving forward. 922 00:44:14,026 --> 00:44:15,653 Whatever capacity. 923 00:44:16,195 --> 00:44:17,946 All right, well, everyone enters The Ultimatum 924 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:20,115 looking for big answers about their relationships. 925 00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,535 But this group truly believed the truth is out there. 926 00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:26,580 -Way out there. Take a look. -Way out there. 927 00:44:27,081 --> 00:44:29,375 I don't believe the sun gives you cancer and stuff. 928 00:44:30,751 --> 00:44:33,045 -I really don't. -That's like a fact. Like… 929 00:44:33,128 --> 00:44:34,421 I don't know if it is. 930 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:37,174 -I believe we didn't go to the moon. -Yeah. 931 00:44:37,257 --> 00:44:40,260 That's the biggest conspiracy theory that I believe truly. 932 00:44:40,344 --> 00:44:42,012 You think we've never been to the moon? 933 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:43,889 -No, absolutely not. -I don't think so. 934 00:44:43,972 --> 00:44:45,599 -David, stop. -Definitely not. 935 00:44:45,683 --> 00:44:47,851 There's no way that's fake. 936 00:44:47,935 --> 00:44:49,895 -Do you believe in dinosaurs? Uh-oh. -Uh… 937 00:44:49,978 --> 00:44:52,690 -Wait, believe in dinosaurs? -Yeah, do you believe in dinosaurs? 938 00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:56,777 -It's a thing. Some don't believe in them. -Dinosaurs, a thing you don't believe in? 939 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:59,238 What? Yes, dinosaurs are real. 940 00:44:59,321 --> 00:45:01,156 There's six really good movies about it. 941 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,574 You should watch them. 942 00:45:02,658 --> 00:45:05,577 -Sorry! -Not as big and massive as they claim. 943 00:45:05,661 --> 00:45:08,163 There's a YouTube video. I'll show you it. 944 00:45:08,247 --> 00:45:09,790 Explain the pyramids, then. 945 00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:13,210 The way the pyramids are set up is like similar to a computer chip. 946 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:14,503 -They got secrets. -For real. 947 00:45:14,586 --> 00:45:17,756 There's, like, a whole city underneath these pyramids. 948 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,092 But at the same time, I saw this on Instagram, 949 00:45:20,175 --> 00:45:23,178 so it's limited, what you're taking in, but it makes you think, you know? 950 00:45:23,262 --> 00:45:27,224 -Do you believe in aliens? -There's gotta be something out there. 951 00:45:27,307 --> 00:45:28,684 Yeah, I think I agree too. 952 00:45:28,767 --> 00:45:31,437 I did see a UFO when I was like 4 years old. 953 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,980 -Really? -Yes. 954 00:45:33,063 --> 00:45:35,441 -I saw something… zoom right over me. -It's true! 955 00:45:35,524 --> 00:45:37,401 It was close, it was low too. 956 00:45:37,484 --> 00:45:38,360 Like… 957 00:45:38,444 --> 00:45:40,362 -And it wasn't, like, an airplane? -No. 958 00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,781 Since then, I've been a believer. 959 00:45:42,865 --> 00:45:46,201 I mean, I definitely think that there's other life out there somewhere. 960 00:45:46,285 --> 00:45:48,120 But I don't really think there's gonna be aliens 961 00:45:48,203 --> 00:45:50,497 that are gonna come and invade our planet. 962 00:45:51,248 --> 00:45:52,291 She didn't mean that. 963 00:45:52,374 --> 00:45:55,669 She didn't mean that. 964 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:59,673 Oh, that's hilarious. Okay, well, that was a little out there. 965 00:45:59,757 --> 00:46:03,093 It was entertaining to say the least, but one thing that is very real 966 00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,387 are our engaged couples, 967 00:46:05,471 --> 00:46:08,807 and specifically David and Casey, are getting married. 968 00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:11,518 -What's the deal? What's the plan? -Mm! 969 00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:14,188 -We are getting married in September. -Yes. 970 00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:17,524 -Along the Amalfi Coast in Ravello. -In Italy. 971 00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:19,359 -Beautiful. -So we're excited. 972 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:22,738 We actually have a clip to share with everyone. 973 00:46:22,821 --> 00:46:23,697 Take a look. 974 00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:28,035 All right, on our flight, ready to board. 975 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,121 -We are ready. -Oh. 976 00:46:31,205 --> 00:46:32,706 I hate how I look. 977 00:46:34,792 --> 00:46:38,670 I feel so good, can't get no better 978 00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:41,215 First train ride, heading to Rome. 979 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,593 Italiano 980 00:46:44,676 --> 00:46:48,305 -Late night pizza. -Late night pizza. Let's go eat the pizza! 981 00:46:49,014 --> 00:46:51,725 I want you 982 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:56,396 So this is where our, uh, reception party's gonna be. 983 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,815 -Right there. -Mm-hm. 984 00:46:58,357 --> 00:47:00,567 -Oh! -The infinity pool is gonna be beautiful. 985 00:47:00,651 --> 00:47:02,986 -I want you -Ooh. 986 00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:05,656 Who cares what's coming next? 987 00:47:05,739 --> 00:47:08,200 I wish I was dancing. 988 00:47:08,283 --> 00:47:10,410 -I want you -Mm! 989 00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:13,288 I want, I want you 990 00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:16,083 Well done, guys. 991 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:19,294 Hayley is invited, and we got you guys an invitation as well. 992 00:47:19,378 --> 00:47:21,046 -Oh, we're invited? -To the wedding! 993 00:47:21,129 --> 00:47:23,757 -I love the Amalfi Coast. -We'd love you to sing "I Do." 994 00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:26,218 -Oh my gosh! You guys! -Yeah! I'll do a little serenade. 995 00:47:26,301 --> 00:47:28,428 "Mr. and Mrs. Nick Lachey." Can I open it? 996 00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:31,098 -Yes, go ahead. -This is so beautiful-- 997 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:33,350 -That's our hotel, our venue. -I'm such a sucker for it. 998 00:47:33,433 --> 00:47:34,810 -Oh my gosh. -Wow. 999 00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:36,520 This is amazing. 1000 00:47:36,603 --> 00:47:38,981 -Thank you. We're very happy for you. -Yeah, of course. 1001 00:47:39,064 --> 00:47:40,732 But getting married overseas, 1002 00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:43,527 you have to get married legally here in the States. 1003 00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:46,613 And, um, we actually got our certificate yesterday, 1004 00:47:47,489 --> 00:47:49,867 and we heard you are ordained. 1005 00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:53,787 So we were hoping that, Nick, you would marry us today. 1006 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:56,790 I would be absolutely honored. 1007 00:47:56,874 --> 00:47:59,167 Did you guys know I'm ordained in the state of California? 1008 00:47:59,251 --> 00:48:01,211 -No way! -Oh my gosh! 1009 00:48:01,295 --> 00:48:02,963 It's my first wedding! 1010 00:48:07,092 --> 00:48:08,635 That's so exciting. 1011 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,470 -Mm. -Are you ready? 1012 00:48:10,554 --> 00:48:12,556 -Ready. I feel like I'll cry. -Yeah. 1013 00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,433 Everyone, we are gathered here today 1014 00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:18,937 to witness and celebrate the marriage of Casey and David. 1015 00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:25,235 Now, marriage is the joining of two lives, two hearts, and two futures. 1016 00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:28,322 Today, Casey and David have chosen each other, 1017 00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,783 and commit to building a life together. 1018 00:48:33,035 --> 00:48:34,202 Casey. 1019 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:38,457 Do you take David to be your husband, to love and support him, 1020 00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:43,170 in good times and bad for as long as you both shall live? 1021 00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:44,546 I do. 1022 00:48:46,048 --> 00:48:49,134 David, do you take Casey to be your wife, 1023 00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:54,222 to love and support her in good times and in bad times 1024 00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:55,933 for as long as you both shall live? 1025 00:48:56,016 --> 00:48:57,351 I do. 1026 00:48:59,144 --> 00:49:00,896 I believe we have the rings. 1027 00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:05,484 -I'll let you take that. -Yay. 1028 00:49:06,443 --> 00:49:07,444 Oh my gosh. 1029 00:49:07,527 --> 00:49:09,571 -Look at that. -That's beautiful. 1030 00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:11,198 -Beautiful. -Here we go. 1031 00:49:11,281 --> 00:49:12,783 Okay. Give me your finger. 1032 00:49:12,866 --> 00:49:15,202 It's a cool ring. 1033 00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:17,996 If you would, both repeat after me. 1034 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:24,378 With this ring, I give you my heart, my love, and my promise. 1035 00:49:24,461 --> 00:49:25,629 With this ring, 1036 00:49:25,712 --> 00:49:28,799 I give you my heart, my love, and my promise. 1037 00:49:30,634 --> 00:49:37,349 By the authority vested in me, I now pronounce you husband and wife. 1038 00:49:37,432 --> 00:49:39,726 David, you may kiss your bride. 1039 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,021 You're gonna love this… 1040 00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:45,732 -I love it! -All right! We did it! 1041 00:49:45,816 --> 00:49:48,318 -I'm so happy for you guys. -Congratulations. 1042 00:49:48,402 --> 00:49:51,154 Well, don't worry. We didn't forget the single ladies. 1043 00:49:51,238 --> 00:49:54,282 -Single ladies, come on over. -Single ladies, file in! 1044 00:49:54,366 --> 00:49:56,326 -Line up. -All the single ladies! 1045 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,453 -Should I serenade you, Casey? -Yes. 1046 00:49:58,537 --> 00:50:00,497 All I am 1047 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:03,417 -Oh, come on. -All I'll be 1048 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,335 Everything in this world 1049 00:50:06,586 --> 00:50:08,088 It's a tie! 1050 00:50:08,171 --> 00:50:10,549 It's gonna make you feel so alive… 1051 00:50:10,632 --> 00:50:11,883 Okay, everybody. 1052 00:50:11,967 --> 00:50:14,845 Cheers to Casey and David, our married couple. 1053 00:50:14,928 --> 00:50:18,181 But also to Luke and Monica, our engaged couple. 1054 00:50:18,265 --> 00:50:19,433 -Cheers, guys. -Yes! 1055 00:50:19,516 --> 00:50:20,767 -Love wins! -Cheers! 1056 00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:22,477 Don't forget to look each other in the eye. 1057 00:50:22,561 --> 00:50:24,730 We don't need five to seven years of bad sex. 1058 00:50:25,522 --> 00:50:27,566 -Even one year. -Never that. 1059 00:50:27,649 --> 00:50:29,651 You're gonna love this 1060 00:50:30,986 --> 00:50:32,821 It's gonna make you feel so alive… 1061 00:50:32,904 --> 00:50:37,701 They're the first ones to get married on Love is Blind and The Ultimatum on stage. 1062 00:50:37,784 --> 00:50:39,870 -Right. -Ooh! Trendsetters. 1063 00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:42,998 -Come over here. I'm just… -It's okay, it's still your autograph. 1064 00:50:43,081 --> 00:50:44,958 It's still your autograph! 1065 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:47,377 It's okay! 1066 00:50:47,878 --> 00:50:49,796 All right, between the lines. 1067 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,381 Oh, official? 1068 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,133 -It's official. -God, it's your autograph. 1069 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:55,260 -Perfect. -Let's hold it up. Yay! 1070 00:50:55,343 --> 00:50:57,345 Yay! 1071 00:50:57,429 --> 00:50:58,930 You're gonna love this 1072 00:50:59,014 --> 00:51:01,266 It's gonna be that kind of vibe