1 00:00:01,247 --> 00:00:03,927 (siren wailing) 2 00:00:06,247 --> 00:00:09,727 - [Announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 3 00:00:09,807 --> 00:00:12,368 The Rolling Stones. 4 00:00:12,448 --> 00:00:14,528 (audience applauding) (drums beating) 5 00:00:14,608 --> 00:00:17,048 - [Narrator] In September 2021, 6 00:00:17,128 --> 00:00:18,728 The Rolling Stones did something 7 00:00:18,808 --> 00:00:21,569 they hadn't done since 1963, 8 00:00:23,569 --> 00:00:27,929 perform without their drummer, Charlie Watts. 9 00:00:28,889 --> 00:00:31,410 (drums beating) 10 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:33,610 For the Stones and their fans, 11 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:35,850 it's an event packed with emotion. 12 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:39,730 Every concert on the tour begins 13 00:00:39,810 --> 00:00:42,371 with the same moving tribute, 14 00:00:42,451 --> 00:00:44,611 the sound of Charlie's steady beat, 15 00:00:45,691 --> 00:00:48,451 something that powered the band for nearly 60 years. 16 00:00:50,652 --> 00:00:55,652 (drums beating) (audience applauding) 17 00:00:56,092 --> 00:00:57,852 - I just wanna say to you all 18 00:00:57,932 --> 00:00:59,933 that it's really quite emotional 19 00:01:00,013 --> 00:01:03,453 seeing those pictures of Charlie up on the screen. 20 00:01:05,013 --> 00:01:07,973 (audience clamoring) 21 00:01:08,053 --> 00:01:11,494 And this is our first tour that we've ever done without him. 22 00:01:11,574 --> 00:01:14,694 (audience clamoring) 23 00:01:15,814 --> 00:01:18,254 'Cause we all miss Charlie so much 24 00:01:18,334 --> 00:01:20,615 on the stage and off the stage, 25 00:01:21,535 --> 00:01:24,255 and we'd like to dedicate this tour to Charlie. 26 00:01:24,335 --> 00:01:27,095 So here's to you, Charlie. 27 00:01:27,175 --> 00:01:31,936 (audience clamoring) (bright music) 28 00:01:32,016 --> 00:01:36,136 - Charlie Watts, I'm still dealing with it. 29 00:01:36,216 --> 00:01:39,256 (gentle music) 30 00:01:39,336 --> 00:01:42,417 - I miss Charlie on many levels. (laughs) 31 00:01:42,497 --> 00:01:46,777 Like I miss wanting to play him this new groove. 32 00:01:46,857 --> 00:01:50,538 And I wanna say how badly England's done 33 00:01:50,618 --> 00:01:52,138 in the Test Match yesterday. 34 00:01:52,218 --> 00:01:54,218 I miss him really a lot. 35 00:01:54,858 --> 00:01:58,618 ♪ I'm just waiting on a friend ♪ 36 00:01:58,698 --> 00:02:00,699 - When Charlie passed, 37 00:02:02,259 --> 00:02:03,739 we're mind blown. 38 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:07,019 We have the spirit of Charlie playing with us all the time. 39 00:02:08,099 --> 00:02:10,380 - [Narrator] Charlie Watts was the driving force 40 00:02:10,460 --> 00:02:14,620 behind everything the Stones did, their heartbeat. 41 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:19,260 His drumming shaped the music we have loved for six decades. 42 00:02:19,340 --> 00:02:21,621 - [Sheryl] He laid down the feel 43 00:02:21,701 --> 00:02:24,461 for songs that are now my age. 44 00:02:25,621 --> 00:02:28,301 Oh, I'm gonna start crying. 45 00:02:28,381 --> 00:02:29,741 (audience clamoring) 46 00:02:29,821 --> 00:02:31,822 - [Tina] No matter how fast 47 00:02:31,902 --> 00:02:35,262 Mick went across the stage doing the Pony or whatever, 48 00:02:35,342 --> 00:02:37,342 he was right there with him. 49 00:02:39,582 --> 00:02:43,463 - [Slash] It was a real shock when he passed, 50 00:02:43,543 --> 00:02:46,663 the realization that there possibly is an end 51 00:02:46,743 --> 00:02:48,983 to a band that's been going on and on and on 52 00:02:49,063 --> 00:02:50,864 for so many decades. 53 00:02:50,944 --> 00:02:53,304 (audience screaming) 54 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:56,544 - I can't imagine the Stones without Charlie Watts. 55 00:02:56,624 --> 00:02:58,624 Charlie was the engine, 56 00:02:59,864 --> 00:03:02,865 the best drummer England has ever produced. 57 00:03:02,945 --> 00:03:05,945 (audience cheering) 58 00:03:10,306 --> 00:03:12,626 - [Announcer] Mr. Watts, walk in and hit your mark. 59 00:03:12,706 --> 00:03:13,946 - Yeah, go on. 60 00:03:14,026 --> 00:03:15,986 What? - Say your words. 61 00:03:16,066 --> 00:03:17,666 (beep) - It's all about me, 62 00:03:17,746 --> 00:03:20,787 and I'm the star, for once. 63 00:03:20,867 --> 00:03:25,867 (band members laughing) (beep) 64 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:30,628 (speaking in foreign language) 65 00:03:34,228 --> 00:03:36,508 (audience applauding) 66 00:03:36,588 --> 00:03:39,148 - [Sheryl] The way it kicks in, 67 00:03:39,228 --> 00:03:42,349 with just a kick and a snare. 68 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:48,229 ("Honky Tonk Women" by The Rolling Stones) 69 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:53,750 - [Lars] When you hear the intro to that, 70 00:03:56,630 --> 00:03:59,790 it just becomes a physical reaction 71 00:04:01,191 --> 00:04:03,191 that overtakes your body. 72 00:04:03,671 --> 00:04:06,271 (upbeat music) 73 00:04:07,351 --> 00:04:12,352 ♪ I met a gin-soaked, bar-room queen in Memphis ♪ 74 00:04:15,832 --> 00:04:20,753 ♪ She tried to take me upstairs for a ride ♪ 75 00:04:23,953 --> 00:04:25,433 ♪ She had to heave me ♪ - When I first heard 76 00:04:25,513 --> 00:04:27,313 "Honky Tonk Women," 77 00:04:27,393 --> 00:04:29,393 I thought, "Man, that's funky." 78 00:04:30,954 --> 00:04:32,674 Charlie is a huge part of that 79 00:04:32,754 --> 00:04:35,794 because when there's something that is funky, 80 00:04:35,874 --> 00:04:37,874 a lot of it emanates from the drums. 81 00:04:40,155 --> 00:04:43,835 ♪ It's the honky tonk women ♪ 82 00:04:46,435 --> 00:04:49,956 - Charlie and I, we were very orientated towards dance, 83 00:04:50,036 --> 00:04:51,716 and so that's what brought us together, 84 00:04:51,796 --> 00:04:53,236 'cause it's about beats. 85 00:04:53,316 --> 00:04:54,596 What do drummers do? 86 00:04:54,676 --> 00:04:56,676 They lay down a beat to dance. 87 00:04:57,036 --> 00:05:01,957 ♪ I laid a divorcee in New York City ♪ 88 00:05:02,037 --> 00:05:04,477 - Charlie sounded like an American drummer. 89 00:05:04,557 --> 00:05:07,837 He had that American feel, that's what it was. 90 00:05:09,437 --> 00:05:10,198 If I closed my eyes with Charlie, 91 00:05:10,278 --> 00:05:12,358 I'd probably figure it was a black drummer. 92 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:16,998 - [Chris] Keith knew from the very beginning 93 00:05:17,078 --> 00:05:21,399 that they'd found someone who was unique and so special, 94 00:05:21,479 --> 00:05:24,919 not only his performance, but in his character as well. 95 00:05:28,599 --> 00:05:32,280 ♪ It's the honky tonk women ♪ 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,640 - [Sheryl] The marriage between Keith and Charlie 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,840 made up its own instrument. 98 00:05:41,041 --> 00:05:45,801 The space they gave each other, the way the instruments fell 99 00:05:45,881 --> 00:05:47,881 was like a tapestry. 100 00:05:49,161 --> 00:05:50,882 - [Keith] I usually look at Charlie 101 00:05:50,962 --> 00:05:54,722 and he'll give me a grin 'cause it's clicking. 102 00:05:54,802 --> 00:05:57,762 And it's almost like you don't even wanna touch the strings 103 00:05:57,842 --> 00:05:59,762 'cause they're doing it themselves, 104 00:05:59,842 --> 00:06:01,843 and anyway, they'd be too hot. 105 00:06:02,483 --> 00:06:04,083 ("Honky Tonk Women" continues) 106 00:06:04,163 --> 00:06:05,323 - The great thing about Charlie 107 00:06:05,403 --> 00:06:08,923 is he knew every number could fall apart just like that, 108 00:06:09,964 --> 00:06:11,484 when you least expect it. 109 00:06:11,564 --> 00:06:13,564 And that's what makes it so magic. 110 00:06:16,164 --> 00:06:18,484 The element of risk is what drives our band. 111 00:06:22,045 --> 00:06:27,045 ♪ Gimme, gimme, gimme the honky tonk blues ♪ 112 00:06:29,845 --> 00:06:33,486 ♪ It's the honky tonk women ♪ 113 00:06:34,886 --> 00:06:37,246 - [Narrator] "Honky Tonk Women" is the culmination 114 00:06:37,326 --> 00:06:39,646 of everything The Rolling Stones developed 115 00:06:39,726 --> 00:06:41,167 on their rise to fame. 116 00:06:41,247 --> 00:06:43,127 ♪ Honky tonk blues ♪ 117 00:06:43,207 --> 00:06:45,607 ♪ Wooh ♪ 118 00:06:45,687 --> 00:06:47,567 (audience applauding) 119 00:06:47,647 --> 00:06:50,888 (man speaking in foreign language) 120 00:06:50,968 --> 00:06:53,448 - I like the fella that plays the drums. 121 00:06:53,528 --> 00:06:55,528 - [Journalist] Charlie. - Charlie. (laughs) 122 00:06:55,608 --> 00:06:57,248 - You like him? - Yeah. 123 00:06:57,328 --> 00:06:59,888 (upbeat music) 124 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:11,850 (fans screaming) 125 00:07:19,050 --> 00:07:22,011 - [Charlie] Ever since I've been with The Rolling Stones, 126 00:07:22,091 --> 00:07:24,211 this has nothing to do with me, by the way, 127 00:07:25,291 --> 00:07:27,531 people have come to look at us. 128 00:07:27,611 --> 00:07:30,092 (audience applauding) 129 00:07:30,172 --> 00:07:34,292 We've had a following, and it's been quite incredible. 130 00:07:34,372 --> 00:07:37,412 (fans screaming) 131 00:07:37,492 --> 00:07:39,812 What I call the Beatles period, 132 00:07:39,892 --> 00:07:41,813 which is exactly what was happening to them 133 00:07:41,893 --> 00:07:43,813 was happening to us. 134 00:07:43,893 --> 00:07:45,573 (fans screaming) 135 00:07:45,653 --> 00:07:47,813 - [Journalist] How do you think being a success 136 00:07:47,893 --> 00:07:49,893 has influenced you as a person? 137 00:07:52,494 --> 00:07:54,014 - Well, I no longer think, 138 00:07:54,094 --> 00:07:58,894 unfortunately, about spending five pounds. (chuckles) 139 00:07:58,974 --> 00:08:01,495 That really is the only difference it's made to me. 140 00:08:01,575 --> 00:08:02,975 (fans screaming) 141 00:08:03,055 --> 00:08:07,735 I loved it, as far as the excitement and the crowd. 142 00:08:07,815 --> 00:08:09,815 It's fantastic. 143 00:08:10,176 --> 00:08:11,896 And when you see a balcony 144 00:08:11,976 --> 00:08:13,776 in one of these beautiful old theaters 145 00:08:13,856 --> 00:08:16,496 in the North of England bouncing up and down, 146 00:08:18,216 --> 00:08:20,817 it's incredible when you're looking at the audience. 147 00:08:20,897 --> 00:08:23,497 (bright music) 148 00:08:26,777 --> 00:08:30,298 During that period, we never played more than two songs. 149 00:08:31,538 --> 00:08:34,978 They'd announce The Rolling Stones, the curtains would open, 150 00:08:35,058 --> 00:08:38,818 the whole place would go mad, and within about three songs, 151 00:08:40,459 --> 00:08:43,379 they'd break the whole thing up and we'd have to get off. 152 00:08:46,579 --> 00:08:49,779 Apart from going in studios, we didn't play a great deal 153 00:08:49,859 --> 00:08:51,980 'cause we actually never got through a set. 154 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:54,660 (gentle music) 155 00:08:55,500 --> 00:08:56,260 - [Journalist] Do you think it's changed 156 00:08:56,340 --> 00:08:58,340 your attitude to people? 157 00:08:58,780 --> 00:09:02,021 (gentle music) 158 00:09:02,101 --> 00:09:04,661 - No, I think it's changed people's attitude to me. 159 00:09:06,301 --> 00:09:09,181 But really, when the music stopped, 160 00:09:13,342 --> 00:09:17,142 I wished I could have turned it off, I hated it. 161 00:09:18,582 --> 00:09:20,903 I hated being chased by girls and all that. 162 00:09:23,823 --> 00:09:26,103 It used to really embarrass me. 163 00:09:26,183 --> 00:09:28,743 It's always been that's what The Rolling Stones do. 164 00:09:30,464 --> 00:09:32,344 Not me. 165 00:09:32,424 --> 00:09:34,784 I think The Rolling Stones are great, 166 00:09:34,864 --> 00:09:37,704 but I kind of don't see me in it somehow. 167 00:09:39,224 --> 00:09:41,505 (fans screaming) (gentle music) 168 00:09:41,585 --> 00:09:43,865 - [Narrator] Charlie always had an ambivalent relationship 169 00:09:43,945 --> 00:09:46,625 with stardom and the Stones. 170 00:09:46,705 --> 00:09:49,065 But what sets Charlie apart from his band mates 171 00:09:49,145 --> 00:09:51,906 actually makes him their perfect partner, 172 00:09:51,986 --> 00:09:54,506 the anchor in any rock and roll storm. 173 00:09:55,546 --> 00:09:58,866 (gentle brooding music) 174 00:10:00,787 --> 00:10:03,667 And what he brings in character and playing style 175 00:10:03,747 --> 00:10:06,547 is writ large on their first American trip. 176 00:10:08,147 --> 00:10:10,308 They want to replicate the success of The Beatles 177 00:10:10,388 --> 00:10:12,068 just three months earlier, 178 00:10:12,148 --> 00:10:14,908 but with Charlie on board, there's a twist. 179 00:10:16,388 --> 00:10:18,428 - [Steve] All the British Invasion bands 180 00:10:18,508 --> 00:10:22,989 had a deep love for the blues and rhythm and blues, 181 00:10:24,069 --> 00:10:27,989 but not all of them had an appreciation of jazz. 182 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:33,230 Jazz is a key component to rock and roll music. 183 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:35,310 It's not always talked about. 184 00:10:35,390 --> 00:10:37,910 (soft music) 185 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:40,831 - [Narrator] The Rolling Stones' deep appreciation of jazz 186 00:10:40,911 --> 00:10:42,911 is down to Charlie Watts. 187 00:10:43,991 --> 00:10:45,191 And while the rest of the band 188 00:10:45,271 --> 00:10:47,311 worship at the feet of the blues, 189 00:10:48,191 --> 00:10:49,992 (bright music) 190 00:10:50,072 --> 00:10:52,192 Charlie has a different church. 191 00:10:53,472 --> 00:10:55,472 - [Charlie] We landed in New York, 192 00:10:55,552 --> 00:10:57,552 and I went to a jazz club 193 00:10:58,592 --> 00:11:00,953 at the Village Vanguard or Birdland. 194 00:11:02,913 --> 00:11:05,953 I saw two artists at Birdland, 195 00:11:06,033 --> 00:11:10,274 one was Charlie Mingus's band, which was pretty amazing, 196 00:11:11,914 --> 00:11:13,914 and the other was Sonny Rollins. 197 00:11:15,234 --> 00:11:17,474 That was America. (chuckles) 198 00:11:17,554 --> 00:11:19,554 I didn't care about the rest of it. 199 00:11:21,035 --> 00:11:24,235 - [Narrator] Jazz is Charlie's first and enduring love. 200 00:11:24,315 --> 00:11:25,955 Even as his rhythms for the Stones 201 00:11:26,035 --> 00:11:27,715 quickly earn him a reputation 202 00:11:27,795 --> 00:11:30,716 as one of the greatest rock drums of all time, 203 00:11:30,796 --> 00:11:33,396 jazz is never far away. 204 00:11:34,396 --> 00:11:37,436 (lively rock music) 205 00:11:37,516 --> 00:11:39,036 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 206 00:11:39,116 --> 00:11:42,957 (lively rock music continues) 207 00:11:47,397 --> 00:11:52,398 ♪ I hear you talking when I'm on the street ♪ 208 00:11:53,838 --> 00:11:58,838 ♪ Your mouth don't move but I can hear you speak ♪ 209 00:11:59,918 --> 00:12:00,639 - [Max] Well, when you're talking 210 00:12:00,719 --> 00:12:01,479 about the song "Rocks Off," 211 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,919 which is one of my personal favorites, 212 00:12:03,999 --> 00:12:06,439 the fills, if you listen to the fills, 213 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:08,319 they were in odd places. 214 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:11,240 ♪ Really checking out for sure ♪ 215 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,600 So whatever he's responding to, 216 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,600 he's in the moment having a musical conversation. 217 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:21,681 ♪ I'm always hearing voices on the street ♪ 218 00:12:21,761 --> 00:12:23,121 - [Max] That's jazz. 219 00:12:23,201 --> 00:12:26,401 That's jazz because it's so spontaneous. 220 00:12:26,481 --> 00:12:31,482 ♪ But I can't hardly speak ♪ 221 00:12:31,922 --> 00:12:35,282 ♪ I was making love last night ♪ 222 00:12:35,362 --> 00:12:38,682 ♪ To a dancer friend of mine ♪ 223 00:12:38,762 --> 00:12:41,043 ♪ I can't seem to stay in step ♪ 224 00:12:41,123 --> 00:12:46,123 ♪ Come every time that she pirouettes over me ♪ 225 00:12:47,363 --> 00:12:50,564 - [Keith] To me, the essence of what we do as a band 226 00:12:50,644 --> 00:12:52,044 and where Charlie comes from 227 00:12:52,124 --> 00:12:54,804 is basically you go back to the word jazz. 228 00:12:54,884 --> 00:12:59,884 ♪ I only get my rocks off while I'm sleeping ♪ 229 00:13:00,885 --> 00:13:02,445 - [Narrator] Charlie Watts first discovers 230 00:13:02,525 --> 00:13:03,965 the music he loves the most 231 00:13:04,045 --> 00:13:08,085 as a young boy growing up in post-war Wembley Park. 232 00:13:08,165 --> 00:13:11,366 (gentle music) 233 00:13:11,446 --> 00:13:14,566 - How we doing? - Yeah, yeah, here we go. 234 00:13:14,646 --> 00:13:16,446 Watch out, he's joined us. 235 00:13:16,526 --> 00:13:20,167 (Dave Green laughs) 236 00:13:20,247 --> 00:13:23,127 We grew up together from the age of four 237 00:13:23,207 --> 00:13:25,207 and listened to all this music. 238 00:13:26,927 --> 00:13:28,647 - [Dave] It was funny because we started 239 00:13:28,727 --> 00:13:32,368 becoming interested in music in tandem really. 240 00:13:33,888 --> 00:13:38,048 We moved into prefabs in Wembley Park, literally next door, 241 00:13:38,128 --> 00:13:39,208 we came out our front door 242 00:13:39,288 --> 00:13:41,289 straight into Charlie's. 243 00:13:42,569 --> 00:13:44,489 - [Newsreader] Aluminium bungalows are being erected here 244 00:13:44,569 --> 00:13:47,089 at the rate of one every 35 minutes. 245 00:13:47,169 --> 00:13:48,769 The house seems to spring up. 246 00:13:48,849 --> 00:13:50,770 And before you smoke your third cigarette, 247 00:13:50,850 --> 00:13:53,050 the curtains are going up in the living room. 248 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:56,010 (bright upbeat music) 249 00:13:56,090 --> 00:13:58,930 - [Dave] There were neat rows of prefabs, 250 00:13:59,010 --> 00:14:01,011 it's all the same size, 251 00:14:01,411 --> 00:14:03,771 and there was a great feeling of community living there. 252 00:14:03,851 --> 00:14:06,611 Nobody was any better off than anybody else, 253 00:14:06,691 --> 00:14:08,931 so it was a fantastic place for kids to live. 254 00:14:10,612 --> 00:14:12,332 - [Narrator] With holes in the fences, 255 00:14:12,412 --> 00:14:15,532 the boys can go back and forth between each other's houses, 256 00:14:16,412 --> 00:14:19,212 (lively jazz music) 257 00:14:19,292 --> 00:14:22,013 where these young Londoners discover a taste 258 00:14:22,093 --> 00:14:24,093 for American jazz. 259 00:14:25,093 --> 00:14:28,093 - [Dave] Charlie was into bebop before I was. 260 00:14:28,173 --> 00:14:30,294 I would go Charlie's bedroom, 261 00:14:30,374 --> 00:14:32,094 he'd say, "I've got a new record." 262 00:14:32,174 --> 00:14:33,814 - All right, here they are. 263 00:14:33,894 --> 00:14:38,974 This is Charlie Parker and the famous Dizzy Gillespie. 264 00:14:39,054 --> 00:14:40,375 - [Charlie] Okay, fellas, let's go. 265 00:14:40,455 --> 00:14:43,455 (lively jazz music) 266 00:14:53,096 --> 00:14:54,656 - [Watts] I heard Charlie Parker play, 267 00:14:54,736 --> 00:14:56,736 and that's what I liked. 268 00:14:57,296 --> 00:15:01,497 - That's where he set everything was from Charlie Parker. 269 00:15:03,497 --> 00:15:04,697 - [Dave] His love of Charlie Parker 270 00:15:04,777 --> 00:15:07,057 was absolutely immeasurable. 271 00:15:08,817 --> 00:15:11,098 It sounded like music from outer space. 272 00:15:11,178 --> 00:15:13,138 (lively jazz music) 273 00:15:13,218 --> 00:15:15,218 It transported you to another world. 274 00:15:18,178 --> 00:15:20,179 New York in the '40, 275 00:15:22,259 --> 00:15:24,259 52nd Street. 276 00:15:24,339 --> 00:15:26,339 It was total magic. 277 00:15:27,659 --> 00:15:30,820 - [Charlie Watts] '50s America, they're the people I love. 278 00:15:30,900 --> 00:15:34,180 I was in '50s America really is where my thing is, 279 00:15:34,260 --> 00:15:36,900 and I still kind of look like that in a way. 280 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:42,501 - [Announcer] Charlie Parker, Gato, sax, and Bill Evans. 281 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,421 (lively jazz music) 282 00:15:47,501 --> 00:15:49,861 (drums beating) 283 00:15:49,941 --> 00:15:50,982 - [Charlie Watts] The first drummer 284 00:15:51,062 --> 00:15:54,662 I wanted to be ever was Chico Hamilton, 285 00:15:54,742 --> 00:15:57,862 who was with Gerry Mulligan on "Walkin' Shoes." 286 00:15:58,742 --> 00:16:01,543 (drums beating) 287 00:16:01,623 --> 00:16:03,423 I had a banjo, took the neck off it 288 00:16:03,503 --> 00:16:05,863 and started playing on this banjo skin 289 00:16:05,943 --> 00:16:07,943 with a pair of brushes. 290 00:16:08,263 --> 00:16:10,744 Then my dad bought me a set of drums 291 00:16:10,824 --> 00:16:12,824 from the guy who played in the pub. 292 00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:15,544 - [Dave] This is Lil, Charlie's mom, 293 00:16:15,624 --> 00:16:17,824 talking about Charlie. 294 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:19,584 "Charlie always wanted a drum set 295 00:16:19,664 --> 00:16:21,625 and used to rap out tunes on the table 296 00:16:21,705 --> 00:16:23,745 with pieces of wood or a knife and fork. 297 00:16:24,585 --> 00:16:26,625 We bought him his first drum set for Christmas 298 00:16:26,705 --> 00:16:29,745 when he was 14, it cost 12 pounds. 299 00:16:29,825 --> 00:16:31,026 He took to it straightaway 300 00:16:31,106 --> 00:16:32,626 and often used to play jazz records 301 00:16:32,706 --> 00:16:34,386 and join in on his drums. 302 00:16:34,466 --> 00:16:37,266 The neighbors were very good, they never complained. 303 00:16:38,226 --> 00:16:43,227 (laughs) I was the neighbor, (laughs) fantastic. 304 00:16:44,747 --> 00:16:46,667 (bright upbeat music) 305 00:16:46,747 --> 00:16:49,907 - [Narrator] With his heroes, Chico Hamilton, Max Roach 306 00:16:49,988 --> 00:16:51,988 and Elvin Jones accompanying him, 307 00:16:53,668 --> 00:16:57,268 it isn't long before a teenage Charlie joins his first band, 308 00:16:58,108 --> 00:17:00,109 The Joe Jones All Stars. 309 00:17:02,709 --> 00:17:06,509 - [Dave] Edgware Jazz Club on the 21st of August 1959. 310 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:16,030 This is the first recording ever of Charlie. 311 00:17:16,110 --> 00:17:19,110 (bright jazz music) 312 00:17:27,791 --> 00:17:29,951 You can hear his great swing, even there. 313 00:17:30,952 --> 00:17:33,952 (bright jazz music) 314 00:17:42,073 --> 00:17:44,713 - [Narrator] The Charlie Watts sound is taking shape. 315 00:17:45,993 --> 00:17:48,633 But it's about to make a giant leap forward. 316 00:17:48,713 --> 00:17:52,114 Thanks to late night trips to the heart of swinging London. 317 00:17:53,234 --> 00:17:56,954 - It was quite a thing to go to jazz clubs. 318 00:17:57,954 --> 00:18:01,155 There was a few of 'em, the Marquee Club, 319 00:18:01,235 --> 00:18:04,435 Ronnie's Old Place, The Flamingo. 320 00:18:06,315 --> 00:18:08,355 - [Narrator] These clubs in the heart of Soho 321 00:18:08,435 --> 00:18:11,276 are a slice of New York in London. 322 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:14,036 And for Charlie, yearning the excitement and glamor 323 00:18:14,116 --> 00:18:17,876 of Manhattan's 52nd Street, the street of jazz, 324 00:18:17,956 --> 00:18:20,197 they're intoxicating. 325 00:18:20,277 --> 00:18:22,517 (jazz music) - Hi, fellas. 326 00:18:22,597 --> 00:18:25,477 Let's hear that tune from the top, shall we? 327 00:18:25,557 --> 00:18:26,797 (drums beating) 328 00:18:26,877 --> 00:18:28,757 - [Watts] At 16, I used to go and stare 329 00:18:28,837 --> 00:18:30,878 at these people like Phil Seamen. 330 00:18:32,078 --> 00:18:34,078 I wanted to be that. 331 00:18:34,478 --> 00:18:36,998 - [Max] Phil Seamen was England's answer 332 00:18:37,078 --> 00:18:39,678 to Art Blakey in a way. 333 00:18:39,758 --> 00:18:42,679 (bright upbeat music) 334 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:44,999 He was the great jazz drummer. 335 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:48,559 (bright upbeat music) 336 00:18:48,639 --> 00:18:50,680 Charlie would never call himself a jazz drummer, 337 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,280 but he had a jazz drummer sensibility, 338 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:57,000 and that inflected his playing. 339 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,440 (jazz music) 340 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,201 - He had a looseness about his delivery 341 00:19:02,281 --> 00:19:07,201 that you just couldn't get out of local talent. (laughs) 342 00:19:07,281 --> 00:19:08,041 We were all learning. 343 00:19:08,121 --> 00:19:11,522 The rock beat was only being invented, basically, 344 00:19:11,602 --> 00:19:16,402 as we were happening, he scored himself in that. 345 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:19,642 - [Courtney] Putting him in a rock and roll band 346 00:19:19,722 --> 00:19:20,523 was really interesting 347 00:19:20,603 --> 00:19:24,443 because you had the concepts of free jazz drummers 348 00:19:24,523 --> 00:19:27,083 but in The Rolling Stones. 349 00:19:27,163 --> 00:19:30,324 (bright upbeat music) 350 00:19:32,884 --> 00:19:37,884 (clapperboard clacks) (gentle upbeat music) 351 00:19:38,684 --> 00:19:40,645 - [Narrator] Charlie's ability to improvise, 352 00:19:40,725 --> 00:19:43,685 be flexible and keep perfect time 353 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:47,165 is crucial to a band well-known for living on the edge, 354 00:19:47,245 --> 00:19:50,046 and being loose enough to make mistakes. 355 00:19:50,126 --> 00:19:52,926 (gentle music) 356 00:19:53,006 --> 00:19:54,126 - [Max] In the Village Voice, 357 00:19:54,206 --> 00:19:56,966 which was where I saw the ad that led 358 00:19:57,046 --> 00:20:01,847 to my hooking up with Bruce and the E Street Band in 1974, 359 00:20:01,927 --> 00:20:05,327 they had a great section of music want ads, 360 00:20:05,407 --> 00:20:08,847 and invariably you would come across an ad, 361 00:20:08,927 --> 00:20:12,408 "Wanted: Charlie Watts type drummer." 362 00:20:13,848 --> 00:20:16,928 So Charlie Watts, through no initiative of his own, 363 00:20:17,008 --> 00:20:19,208 had become a genre. 364 00:20:19,288 --> 00:20:20,529 - People like Charlie Watts 365 00:20:20,609 --> 00:20:23,169 are very hard to put in a pocket. 366 00:20:23,249 --> 00:20:27,729 They don't make pockets for people like Charlie. 367 00:20:27,809 --> 00:20:30,250 He's a totally unique guy. 368 00:20:32,010 --> 00:20:33,410 - [Sheryl] There are only a few drummers 369 00:20:33,490 --> 00:20:34,730 throughout history that I would say 370 00:20:34,810 --> 00:20:36,810 were artists in their own right, 371 00:20:38,330 --> 00:20:40,331 and he was definitely one of them. 372 00:20:40,971 --> 00:20:43,011 (upbeat music) 373 00:20:43,091 --> 00:20:46,131 - [Gina] You know that iconic beat that he has. 374 00:20:46,211 --> 00:20:49,411 (bright upbeat music) 375 00:20:51,612 --> 00:20:54,612 That (hissing), 376 00:20:54,692 --> 00:20:56,692 everybody knows that Charlie Watts beat. 377 00:20:58,292 --> 00:21:01,293 (upbeat rock music) 378 00:21:12,654 --> 00:21:14,494 - [Lars] He had a playing style, 379 00:21:14,574 --> 00:21:16,774 a feel that was all his own. 380 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:20,735 (upbeat rock music) 381 00:21:22,295 --> 00:21:24,735 - [Steve] The sound is an open sound 382 00:21:24,815 --> 00:21:26,895 where the drums resonates. 383 00:21:26,975 --> 00:21:29,895 It's a note, it's not a thud whack. 384 00:21:29,975 --> 00:21:32,976 (upbeat jazz music) 385 00:21:36,376 --> 00:21:38,656 - [Jamie] That's a jazz way of thinking, 386 00:21:38,736 --> 00:21:40,617 that drummers have their own sound. 387 00:21:40,697 --> 00:21:42,737 Charlie Watts had a snare sound 388 00:21:42,817 --> 00:21:46,057 which sang throughout the music of The Rolling Stones. 389 00:21:46,137 --> 00:21:49,297 (jazz upbeat music) 390 00:21:49,377 --> 00:21:50,538 - [Stewart] What made him so unique 391 00:21:50,618 --> 00:21:53,898 was that he could rock so hard while being so loose. 392 00:21:53,978 --> 00:21:56,058 He had a very relaxed style 393 00:21:56,138 --> 00:21:58,898 for a very high energy type of music. 394 00:21:58,978 --> 00:22:01,899 (fast-paced music) 395 00:22:12,780 --> 00:22:16,180 (upbeat music fades off) 396 00:22:23,621 --> 00:22:26,781 (gentle upbeat music) 397 00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:31,542 - [Chris] In recording him, I've discovered very early. 398 00:22:32,862 --> 00:22:35,502 Charlie would never play his hi-hat and his snare drum 399 00:22:35,582 --> 00:22:39,022 at the same time. (bright upbeat music) 400 00:22:39,102 --> 00:22:42,103 In not playing the hi-hat at the same time as the snare, 401 00:22:43,423 --> 00:22:47,263 it gives the snare a huge, big open sound. 402 00:22:47,343 --> 00:22:50,504 (gentle upbeat music) 403 00:22:57,424 --> 00:22:59,224 - [Don Was] I'd never heard of that before. 404 00:22:59,304 --> 00:23:01,105 But if you go back and listen to it, it's great. 405 00:23:01,185 --> 00:23:03,185 But it also did something else too. 406 00:23:05,505 --> 00:23:10,506 That extra physical motion, that takes time. (laughs) 407 00:23:10,906 --> 00:23:13,546 And it helped lay back the groove. 408 00:23:15,586 --> 00:23:16,786 That was an important part 409 00:23:16,866 --> 00:23:18,866 of that laid back Rolling Stone sound, 410 00:23:18,946 --> 00:23:23,307 how they could be relaxed and play at slower tempos, 411 00:23:23,387 --> 00:23:28,387 and yet it felt like the thing was charging forward. 412 00:23:28,707 --> 00:23:31,628 (gentle upbeat music) 413 00:23:31,708 --> 00:23:34,748 - [Audience] Charlie! Charlie! Charlie! Charlie! 414 00:23:34,828 --> 00:23:37,468 Charlie! Charlie! Charlie! Charlie! 415 00:23:37,548 --> 00:23:41,189 - [Narrator] Charlie's playing style reflect his character. 416 00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:44,309 It's all about The Rolling Stones, not him. 417 00:23:46,109 --> 00:23:49,629 - That's what I do, I play the drums for Keith and Mick. 418 00:23:49,709 --> 00:23:51,830 I don't play 'em for me. (audience applauding) 419 00:23:51,910 --> 00:23:54,030 - [Narrator] But this masks 420 00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:56,230 the deep respect he has for his craft, 421 00:23:56,310 --> 00:24:01,231 standing on the shoulders of giants on his way to the top. 422 00:24:01,311 --> 00:24:03,351 - He had so many different drum kits. 423 00:24:03,431 --> 00:24:07,951 He had Gene Krupa's kit, Art Blakey's kit, 424 00:24:08,031 --> 00:24:10,472 all the famous drummers through the years 425 00:24:10,552 --> 00:24:12,592 that influenced him. 426 00:24:12,672 --> 00:24:14,312 (door creaking) 427 00:24:14,392 --> 00:24:16,512 - [Narrator] And all these amazing artifacts 428 00:24:16,592 --> 00:24:20,433 are kept here at a secret location. 429 00:24:20,513 --> 00:24:22,513 - [Dave] Wow. 430 00:24:23,153 --> 00:24:25,793 - [Narrator] A treasure trove years in the making. 431 00:24:25,873 --> 00:24:27,633 - [Dave] So much stuff. 432 00:24:27,713 --> 00:24:31,234 - [Narrator] Every shelf crammed with musical history. 433 00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:33,754 - He's been saying this for years, actually, 434 00:24:33,834 --> 00:24:35,994 "You must come and see my drum collection." 435 00:24:36,994 --> 00:24:38,994 What have we got here? 436 00:24:39,594 --> 00:24:41,595 Wow, Tony Williams. 437 00:24:42,075 --> 00:24:44,555 And he had this idea of opening a museum. 438 00:24:46,195 --> 00:24:47,875 He said to me, "You must come and see it." 439 00:24:47,955 --> 00:24:50,156 And he wants me to go with Steve. 440 00:24:51,476 --> 00:24:53,476 - Wow, look at that Premier kit there. 441 00:24:54,996 --> 00:24:57,836 Kenny Clarke's kit that he gave to Max Roach. 442 00:24:59,836 --> 00:25:00,877 There must be 100 kits here. 443 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,957 - [Dave] Yeah, yeah. 444 00:25:03,637 --> 00:25:06,197 Joe Morello. Wow. 445 00:25:06,277 --> 00:25:07,037 - [Steve] Yeah, that's the one he used 446 00:25:07,117 --> 00:25:09,437 with Dave Brubeck. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 447 00:25:09,517 --> 00:25:11,918 And the original cases and everything. 448 00:25:14,838 --> 00:25:16,198 - [Steve Brown] Charlie Parker. 449 00:25:16,278 --> 00:25:17,318 - [Dave] Yeah, it's his horn case. 450 00:25:17,398 --> 00:25:18,478 - [Steve] I don't believe that. 451 00:25:18,558 --> 00:25:20,799 - [Dave] That's incredible. 452 00:25:22,479 --> 00:25:24,519 What have we got here? 453 00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:28,039 DJ Fontana's 1953 Copper Mist Gretsch. 454 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,600 Purchased by Elvis for DJ in Houston. 455 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,680 - [Steve] No way. 456 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,840 - [Dave] Wow. 457 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,120 Elvis put this in the back of the Cadillac 458 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,280 - And drove to. - And drove to the gig, 459 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,121 set it up and played. (laughs) 460 00:25:44,121 --> 00:25:45,081 It's a whole history of drumming here. (chuckles) 461 00:25:45,161 --> 00:25:47,801 - [Steve] It is, jazz and rock and roll. 462 00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:50,762 - [Dave] Yeah. 463 00:25:50,842 --> 00:25:54,082 - [Narrator] Charlie adores what he calls, his stuff. 464 00:25:54,162 --> 00:25:56,642 It's an indulgence paid for by his success 465 00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:58,722 with The Rolling Stones, 466 00:25:59,042 --> 00:26:02,403 and it keeps him sane amidst the madness of rock and roll. 467 00:26:03,923 --> 00:26:06,083 He remains the accidental rock star, 468 00:26:06,923 --> 00:26:09,483 famously reticent about being a Stone. 469 00:26:10,564 --> 00:26:12,284 (audience applauding) 470 00:26:12,364 --> 00:26:15,124 - Because of what I do, I can't play the drums at home. 471 00:26:16,844 --> 00:26:19,244 And to play the drums, I have to go on the road. 472 00:26:20,325 --> 00:26:21,485 And to go on the road, I have to leave home. 473 00:26:21,565 --> 00:26:24,245 And it's like a terribly vicious circle 474 00:26:24,325 --> 00:26:26,325 that's always been my life. 475 00:26:27,165 --> 00:26:29,765 (gentle music) 476 00:26:30,966 --> 00:26:31,886 - [Narrator] For a band that has spent 477 00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:33,926 an enormous amount of time on the road 478 00:26:34,006 --> 00:26:38,806 during their 60 years together, it's a nomadic existence, 479 00:26:38,886 --> 00:26:43,487 planes, trains, tour buses, hotels, 480 00:26:43,567 --> 00:26:45,887 and an awful lot of nothing to do. 481 00:26:47,167 --> 00:26:47,927 - [Journalist] You must have done a great deal 482 00:26:48,007 --> 00:26:50,608 of hanging about in 25 years of The Rolling Stones. 483 00:26:50,688 --> 00:26:53,368 - Worked five years and 20 years hanging around. 484 00:26:53,448 --> 00:26:55,968 (journalist laughs) 485 00:26:56,048 --> 00:26:57,648 That bit where the door shuts 486 00:26:57,728 --> 00:27:00,769 and you're on your own in that bloody room. 487 00:27:02,489 --> 00:27:04,489 And it drives you crazy. 488 00:27:04,569 --> 00:27:06,569 I sit there, 489 00:27:06,929 --> 00:27:09,249 but then that's just me. 490 00:27:09,329 --> 00:27:12,490 I should really be downstairs bopping around, 491 00:27:12,570 --> 00:27:15,050 but I'm not like that so it's very hard. 492 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:18,050 There's this sort of real split thing going on. 493 00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:20,331 It's all right once the sun comes up for me. 494 00:27:43,053 --> 00:27:45,693 (gentle music) 495 00:27:45,773 --> 00:27:49,213 - [Narrator] Charlie is anything but a rock and roll cliche, 496 00:27:49,293 --> 00:27:54,054 no TVs thrown from windows, no hanging out with groupies, 497 00:27:54,134 --> 00:27:56,614 no dismantling his hotel room, 498 00:27:56,694 --> 00:28:01,135 just his own unique way to while away the hours. 499 00:28:01,215 --> 00:28:04,375 - He drew every bed that slept in every meal, the air, 500 00:28:04,455 --> 00:28:06,455 every hotel room. 501 00:28:07,815 --> 00:28:10,496 - [Charlie] It started in 60 something 502 00:28:11,416 --> 00:28:13,416 and it was something to do. 503 00:28:14,056 --> 00:28:16,256 It's a diary. 504 00:28:16,336 --> 00:28:19,216 And now I can't miss one because I it's like ruined in a day 505 00:28:19,296 --> 00:28:22,657 and a life of, so I just draw every bed that I sleep in. 506 00:28:22,737 --> 00:28:25,217 When I tour with the Rolling Stone. 507 00:28:25,297 --> 00:28:26,777 (gentle music) 508 00:28:26,857 --> 00:28:28,737 - I had the pleasure of him showing me 509 00:28:28,817 --> 00:28:30,978 one of his tour books once, 510 00:28:31,058 --> 00:28:33,418 they're very simple line drawings. 511 00:28:33,498 --> 00:28:38,498 And he'd have like, put your coat here 512 00:28:39,258 --> 00:28:40,539 or a little sign like that, 513 00:28:40,619 --> 00:28:45,619 or mixed with all kinds of details from the room. 514 00:28:49,019 --> 00:28:52,340 And I always said to him, "Charlie, you should release this. 515 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:53,620 "People want to see them." 516 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,500 "Nobody wants to see this." 517 00:28:55,580 --> 00:29:00,581 I said, "They do Charlie, it's a real eye into your world." 518 00:29:01,221 --> 00:29:03,221 And if he wants to be in my world, 519 00:29:03,981 --> 00:29:07,861 totally underestimated his power as a person. 520 00:29:07,941 --> 00:29:10,942 (suspenseful music) 521 00:29:21,583 --> 00:29:23,983 - [Chuck] There were times when Charlie was OCD. 522 00:29:24,063 --> 00:29:27,223 (indistinct chatter) 523 00:29:31,824 --> 00:29:34,424 He would avoid the cracks in the sidewalk. 524 00:29:34,504 --> 00:29:38,744 He would have to walk down or up a flight of stairs 525 00:29:38,824 --> 00:29:41,385 a certain way or else he would have to go back down 526 00:29:41,465 --> 00:29:43,465 and start it all over. 527 00:29:43,905 --> 00:29:46,665 That was there, that was part of who he was. 528 00:29:49,545 --> 00:29:50,946 - 'Cause I don't actually like touring, you see? 529 00:29:51,026 --> 00:29:53,026 I mean, I don't like living out suitcases. 530 00:29:54,786 --> 00:29:57,146 - One word, particular. 531 00:29:58,626 --> 00:30:00,147 - [Patrick] He's famous for everything, 532 00:30:00,227 --> 00:30:02,387 had to be organized in a certain way, 533 00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:04,067 'cause I would often quiz him. 534 00:30:04,147 --> 00:30:06,427 So how do you do socks then, Charlie? 535 00:30:06,507 --> 00:30:07,627 Do you just roll them into a ball? 536 00:30:07,707 --> 00:30:09,387 "No, you don't wanna roll them into a ball. 537 00:30:09,467 --> 00:30:11,148 "I'll show you if you want." 538 00:30:11,228 --> 00:30:14,228 And there in his room, these beautiful traveling cases 539 00:30:14,308 --> 00:30:16,628 and then the top draw would be the socks. 540 00:30:16,708 --> 00:30:18,348 Well, you fold them in half. 541 00:30:18,428 --> 00:30:20,389 You always put a bit of tissue paper in between. 542 00:30:20,469 --> 00:30:23,229 You see that way that they keep their shape. 543 00:30:23,309 --> 00:30:27,789 - Clothes had a layer of tissue paper between each shirt, 544 00:30:28,829 --> 00:30:32,750 each sock each under pant, each jacket. 545 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:37,830 Pristine would be the word, not one thing out of place. 546 00:30:40,711 --> 00:30:43,351 - [Charlie] I hate people touching my things. (laughs) 547 00:30:43,431 --> 00:30:44,591 - [Journalist] Do you? 548 00:30:44,671 --> 00:30:47,231 - [Charlie] I hate maids coming in my room in hotels. 549 00:30:47,311 --> 00:30:50,232 I live in hotels a lot of my life, 550 00:30:50,312 --> 00:30:52,072 but I always put, do not disturb. 551 00:30:52,152 --> 00:30:53,712 And sometimes I'm in there for two weeks. 552 00:30:53,792 --> 00:30:56,992 I never have them in there, I hate them in there. 553 00:30:57,072 --> 00:31:01,153 - What is it you hate? - Touching things I have. 554 00:31:01,233 --> 00:31:03,753 (suspenseful music) 555 00:31:03,833 --> 00:31:05,473 - If I went in his room to see him, 556 00:31:05,553 --> 00:31:06,913 if he was turned his back, 557 00:31:06,993 --> 00:31:09,713 I would move a book slightly and sit back down 558 00:31:09,793 --> 00:31:10,794 and he'd turn around. 559 00:31:10,874 --> 00:31:13,874 He'd move book exactly back where it was. 560 00:31:13,954 --> 00:31:18,394 And he'd be picking things up off the floor all the time. 561 00:31:18,474 --> 00:31:20,715 He sometime he'd even done it when he'd been introduced 562 00:31:20,795 --> 00:31:25,875 on stage, he's gone, "Ladies and gentlemen, here's Charlie." 563 00:31:25,955 --> 00:31:28,395 So you go forward a little bit and stop and pick up 564 00:31:28,475 --> 00:31:33,476 a little bit of dirt or a little, whatever it may be. 565 00:31:34,956 --> 00:31:37,756 (upbeat music) 566 00:31:37,836 --> 00:31:39,676 - [Narrator] On tour, Charlie likes to control 567 00:31:39,756 --> 00:31:41,757 his environment as much as possible. 568 00:31:42,677 --> 00:31:45,517 His dressing room is called the Cotton Club 569 00:31:45,597 --> 00:31:48,317 where he can be found listening to Duke Ellington 570 00:31:48,397 --> 00:31:50,238 before going on stage. 571 00:31:50,318 --> 00:31:52,438 - [Patrick] Cotton Club was written on the door. 572 00:31:52,518 --> 00:31:56,518 If you ever wanted a quiet moment, that was the place to go. 573 00:31:56,598 --> 00:31:58,598 And you would always be welcomed in. 574 00:31:59,438 --> 00:32:01,679 There would be something nice to eat and drink. 575 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,439 (upbeat music) 576 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,719 - [Narrator] A sea of tranquility 577 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:09,879 with just a few home comforts. 578 00:32:09,959 --> 00:32:12,560 (upbeat music) 579 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,400 - Oh, what's this? - Take a look at it. 580 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,640 Open it up. 581 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,721 - [Dave] Charlie's touring tea set. 582 00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:27,761 - [Steve] A little cup and a saucer. 583 00:32:32,522 --> 00:32:34,522 - [Dave] (chuckles) Fantastic. 584 00:32:36,042 --> 00:32:37,722 It looks pretty old, isn't it? 585 00:32:37,802 --> 00:32:39,922 - Victorian sort of. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 586 00:32:41,163 --> 00:32:42,443 - [Steve] This one's still got tea in it. 587 00:32:42,523 --> 00:32:44,843 - [Dave] Yeah (laughs) 588 00:32:44,923 --> 00:32:46,003 - [Steve] It's definitely him, isn't it? 589 00:32:46,083 --> 00:32:48,603 - [Dave] Yeah, absolutely (chuckles). 590 00:32:48,683 --> 00:32:50,764 An Englishman on tour. - [Dave] Oh, man. 591 00:32:51,844 --> 00:32:53,644 - [Steve] Put it back before we break it. 592 00:32:53,724 --> 00:32:55,724 - [Dave] Charlie wouldn't like that. 593 00:32:56,924 --> 00:32:58,684 Wonderful. 594 00:32:58,764 --> 00:33:01,205 (playful music) 595 00:33:01,285 --> 00:33:02,245 - [Journalist] How would you describe 596 00:33:02,325 --> 00:33:04,045 the tour that you've had so far? 597 00:33:04,125 --> 00:33:08,285 - Bloody hard work. (audience laughing) 598 00:33:08,365 --> 00:33:11,126 - He secretly enjoyed touring. 599 00:33:12,246 --> 00:33:14,006 He used to say, "No, I don't want to do it." 600 00:33:14,086 --> 00:33:16,686 But I think he thrived on it. 601 00:33:17,726 --> 00:33:20,087 (audience applauding) 602 00:33:20,167 --> 00:33:22,087 He got better looking, 603 00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:26,087 healthier and you could see him thrive as he played. 604 00:33:27,807 --> 00:33:31,648 - I am the one that leaves every, at the end of every tour, 605 00:33:31,728 --> 00:33:34,328 I hate suitcases, I leave the band, 606 00:33:35,648 --> 00:33:38,248 but they won't let you. (laughs) 607 00:33:40,209 --> 00:33:42,409 - Then where we were a little family back there 608 00:33:42,489 --> 00:33:44,489 in a dressing room (chuckles). 609 00:33:48,689 --> 00:33:50,370 Charlie thought I could cut hair 610 00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:52,450 because he'd seen me do my own. 611 00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:55,650 That was about the only time though 612 00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:59,130 that he let me cut his hair. (laughs) 613 00:33:59,210 --> 00:34:01,851 (suspenseful music) 614 00:34:01,931 --> 00:34:04,131 - I love playing the drums 615 00:34:05,011 --> 00:34:06,571 and I love playing with the Rolling Stones. 616 00:34:06,651 --> 00:34:08,731 I mean, my wife always says, 617 00:34:08,811 --> 00:34:12,212 I like, they're more of a drawer, but isn't true. 618 00:34:13,452 --> 00:34:14,372 - [Journalist] Have you thought about taking your wife 619 00:34:14,452 --> 00:34:16,412 around with you? 620 00:34:16,492 --> 00:34:18,612 - She comes on the tour occasionally, 621 00:34:18,692 --> 00:34:21,453 but she doesn't like them, I don't blame her. 622 00:34:22,453 --> 00:34:24,573 I mean, what is it really, 623 00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:27,653 apart from this show and it's all me, it's what I do. 624 00:34:29,933 --> 00:34:32,374 - [Shirley] There was no place for a wife and the tour 625 00:34:33,374 --> 00:34:34,854 there was nothing to do, 626 00:34:34,934 --> 00:34:38,294 and I sat in these dingy hotel rooms and I sketched 627 00:34:38,374 --> 00:34:41,815 and I read and wished I had somewhere else. 628 00:34:43,295 --> 00:34:45,415 I just wanted to be with Charlie so badly. 629 00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:48,655 (eerie music) 630 00:34:48,735 --> 00:34:50,776 But I was complaining to Charlie's mother 631 00:34:51,696 --> 00:34:54,256 once about his absences. 632 00:34:54,336 --> 00:34:56,896 And I think it was just before we got married, she said, 633 00:34:56,976 --> 00:34:58,936 "Oh, don't worry about it." 634 00:34:59,016 --> 00:35:01,017 It'll be over them year. 635 00:35:02,937 --> 00:35:04,937 - [Narrator] Charlie and char are married 636 00:35:05,017 --> 00:35:08,777 for 57 years, devoted to one another. 637 00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:10,378 He misses her on tour, 638 00:35:10,458 --> 00:35:13,258 craving the peace and solitude of home. 639 00:35:14,978 --> 00:35:17,778 (bright upbeat music) 640 00:35:17,858 --> 00:35:20,339 The first Stone to leave London, 641 00:35:20,419 --> 00:35:22,619 he's part of the '60s rockstar exodus 642 00:35:22,699 --> 00:35:27,379 to large country mansions, symbols of wealth and fame. 643 00:35:28,539 --> 00:35:31,780 But with Charlie, it's about more than status, 644 00:35:31,860 --> 00:35:33,860 it's a refuge. 645 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:37,620 - [Dave] He gave him a peaceful place to live. 646 00:35:40,541 --> 00:35:43,101 I did go to his place in Devon. 647 00:35:43,181 --> 00:35:44,101 (dogs barking) 648 00:35:44,181 --> 00:35:46,181 I think they had 15 dogs. 649 00:35:46,541 --> 00:35:47,981 - Come on. 650 00:35:48,061 --> 00:35:50,302 - He took me around and showed me the horses. 651 00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:34,186 - Oh, it was totally respect for design. 652 00:36:34,266 --> 00:36:37,986 He wasn't trying to be a silly eccentric barn cars 653 00:36:38,066 --> 00:36:42,507 sort of sake, no, he loved every line on that Lagonda, 654 00:36:42,587 --> 00:36:45,547 sitting in it to him was like being in a painting, 655 00:36:46,667 --> 00:36:49,627 And thank you very much. 656 00:36:49,707 --> 00:36:54,628 I'll wear a suit to match the colors of my car 657 00:36:54,708 --> 00:36:58,068 and he'd just sit in and be the part. 658 00:36:59,348 --> 00:37:01,269 (drums beating) 659 00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:02,389 - [Narrator] Charlie is well-known 660 00:37:02,469 --> 00:37:04,549 for his sartorial elegance, 661 00:37:04,629 --> 00:37:06,949 a very modern English country gentleman 662 00:37:08,869 --> 00:37:11,030 far from the wild drummer archetype, 663 00:37:11,950 --> 00:37:15,310 and his fiercely independent spirit stands out 664 00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:19,630 even in a band that redefines freedom of expression. 665 00:37:20,831 --> 00:37:23,711 - I think the look of rock and roll is a bit shabby, 666 00:37:24,911 --> 00:37:26,911 but that's me. 667 00:37:28,991 --> 00:37:31,672 - [Sheryl] He wasn't necessarily dressing the part 668 00:37:31,752 --> 00:37:34,272 of the rock star, 669 00:37:34,352 --> 00:37:39,312 but more of the jazzer who was playing in a rock band. 670 00:37:41,433 --> 00:37:44,433 - Now this is another area where drummers doffed their caps 671 00:37:44,513 --> 00:37:46,553 for old Charlie that he could go out there 672 00:37:46,633 --> 00:37:49,793 in a very expensive suit and play drums. 673 00:37:49,873 --> 00:37:52,954 Whereas, I gotta go out in shorts and a t-shirt. 674 00:37:53,034 --> 00:37:55,034 - [Brian] He was just immaculate. 675 00:37:55,834 --> 00:37:57,834 I don't think he sweated. 676 00:37:58,554 --> 00:38:03,595 - [Lulu] Oh yeah, Charlie bespoke suits, bespoke shirts, 677 00:38:03,675 --> 00:38:07,275 bespoke shoes. (upbeat music) 678 00:38:08,235 --> 00:38:10,876 (gentle music) 679 00:38:12,356 --> 00:38:14,356 - [Charlie] I've got a campaign, 680 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,876 I'm saving the bespoke tailoring industry, 681 00:38:21,077 --> 00:38:23,077 single handed too. 682 00:38:24,077 --> 00:38:25,997 (gentle music) 683 00:38:26,077 --> 00:38:27,717 - [Narrator] Charlie has a lifetime devotion 684 00:38:27,797 --> 00:38:29,677 to bespoke suits. 685 00:38:29,757 --> 00:38:32,438 Most of which come from his tailor of choice, 686 00:38:32,518 --> 00:38:34,518 Huntsman in Seville Row. 687 00:38:35,678 --> 00:38:39,238 A client for over 50 years, one of their favorites. 688 00:38:40,399 --> 00:38:41,999 He even has a fabric. 689 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:46,239 His Taylor's nicknamed, the Watts Stripe. 690 00:38:46,319 --> 00:38:48,919 (upbeat music) 691 00:38:48,999 --> 00:38:51,000 - [Dario] I never knew him as Charlie, 692 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,760 I always called him Mr. Watts. 693 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,520 ♪ I'm just waiting on a friend ♪ 694 00:39:01,681 --> 00:39:04,321 - [Dario] very customer has their own paper pattern. 695 00:39:04,401 --> 00:39:08,321 And most customers have a suit pattern, 696 00:39:08,401 --> 00:39:10,402 maybe an overcoat pattern or something, 697 00:39:11,802 --> 00:39:14,482 The testament to Charlie's eclectic wardrobe, 698 00:39:14,562 --> 00:39:17,362 there's a big bundle of patterns on Charlie's hook. 699 00:39:20,243 --> 00:39:22,123 - [Journalist] A gentleman's tailor is a professional 700 00:39:22,203 --> 00:39:24,763 like a doctor or a solicitor. 701 00:39:24,843 --> 00:39:27,203 If a man wishes to be dressed correctly, 702 00:39:27,283 --> 00:39:29,443 there is only one way, 703 00:39:29,523 --> 00:39:31,844 and that is to patronize the right tailor. 704 00:39:31,924 --> 00:39:33,604 (bright upbeat music) 705 00:39:33,684 --> 00:39:36,524 - [Dario] He had this elegant, relaxed posture. 706 00:39:38,124 --> 00:39:40,325 He's wanted soft flowing garments 707 00:39:41,605 --> 00:39:44,205 that echoed his personality in a lot of ways. 708 00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:47,165 He never wanted to stand out. 709 00:39:48,685 --> 00:39:50,846 He was quite an introvert in a lot of ways. 710 00:39:52,246 --> 00:39:55,166 - He had a very good eye for detail. 711 00:39:56,486 --> 00:39:58,486 His eye for color was great as well. 712 00:39:59,446 --> 00:40:01,447 He'd always put things together well, 713 00:40:03,807 --> 00:40:05,167 and sometimes he'd say, 714 00:40:05,247 --> 00:40:07,167 "Well, we'll make that, but we'll make it like this." 715 00:40:07,247 --> 00:40:08,807 And we'd have a conversation and I'd think, 716 00:40:08,887 --> 00:40:10,928 "Really, are you sure?" 717 00:40:11,008 --> 00:40:15,088 And then we'd do it, and it would work. (chuckles) 718 00:40:16,208 --> 00:40:19,608 - [Charlie] I have this disease, 719 00:40:19,688 --> 00:40:23,449 but I see a swatch and have to have a jacket or something. 720 00:40:26,169 --> 00:40:27,969 - [Dario] One of his favorite things 721 00:40:28,049 --> 00:40:31,570 was to go into the basement in what we call ominously, 722 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:33,450 the hanging room. 723 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:36,970 He'd love to rummage and find old lengths of cloth 724 00:40:37,050 --> 00:40:39,210 that have been left or forgotten about. 725 00:40:40,090 --> 00:40:43,451 And we'd make something out of those, and he'd love that. 726 00:40:43,531 --> 00:40:46,491 (dramatic music) 727 00:40:46,571 --> 00:40:48,851 - [Charlie] It comes from my father. 728 00:40:48,931 --> 00:40:49,811 - [Journalist] Did he have a tailor? 729 00:40:49,891 --> 00:40:51,012 Did he take you to his tailor? 730 00:40:51,092 --> 00:40:52,252 - [Charlie] Yeah. Yes. 731 00:40:52,332 --> 00:40:55,212 I thought in those days it was normal practice. 732 00:40:55,292 --> 00:40:56,532 - [Journalist] So what did your father look like? 733 00:40:56,612 --> 00:40:58,692 What kind of suit would he have chosen? 734 00:40:58,772 --> 00:41:00,853 - [Charlie] Actually very much like I wear 735 00:41:01,933 --> 00:41:06,933 a lot of what he liked was late '40s and '50s. 736 00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:12,254 So I live in TCM world, Turner Classic Movies. 737 00:41:13,414 --> 00:41:15,534 (gentle music) 738 00:41:15,614 --> 00:41:18,814 - [Dario] He used to spend a great deal of time, worrying, 739 00:41:18,894 --> 00:41:21,535 fretting about where all these clothes were gonna go. 740 00:41:23,175 --> 00:41:25,575 I think he'd try and drip freedom home so that his wife 741 00:41:25,655 --> 00:41:28,415 didn't see too many, but didn't stop him all drip more, 742 00:41:29,895 --> 00:41:32,096 got some suits here. 743 00:41:32,176 --> 00:41:34,496 Actually, it's a shame, he is never gonna see, 744 00:41:35,376 --> 00:41:37,816 but he tried them and he liked them. (laughs) 745 00:41:37,896 --> 00:41:39,816 So that was good. 746 00:41:39,896 --> 00:41:42,497 (gentle music) 747 00:41:47,337 --> 00:41:49,217 (bright upbeat music) 748 00:41:49,297 --> 00:41:51,858 - [Narrator] Whether it's beats or buttons, 749 00:41:51,938 --> 00:41:56,378 designing a suit or laying down a drum track for Charlie, 750 00:41:56,458 --> 00:41:58,458 it's all about feel. 751 00:42:00,459 --> 00:42:05,059 - He was quite forward thinking and he listened to a lot 752 00:42:05,139 --> 00:42:07,459 of different kinds of music. 753 00:42:07,539 --> 00:42:09,219 In the early days when we were doing 754 00:42:09,299 --> 00:42:11,940 the Exile Main Street record, 755 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,620 everyone else would listen to Jerry Lee Lewis still. 756 00:42:15,740 --> 00:42:17,860 We were listening to like dubbed reggae. 757 00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:24,021 - [Don] He was a way better drummer technically 758 00:42:24,101 --> 00:42:27,141 than anyone ever suspected. 759 00:42:27,221 --> 00:42:29,701 (drums beating) 760 00:42:29,781 --> 00:42:33,022 In 1996, we were trying to make some loops. 761 00:42:33,102 --> 00:42:34,862 We were gonna mess around with drum loops. 762 00:42:34,942 --> 00:42:38,902 So we sent Charlie out in the room, he put on headphones 763 00:42:41,863 --> 00:42:44,743 and we played "The Chronic," Dr. Dre. 764 00:42:46,143 --> 00:42:48,743 (gentle music) 765 00:42:50,824 --> 00:42:53,664 He played those beats, never flammed once. 766 00:42:53,744 --> 00:42:56,344 (gentle music) 767 00:42:57,824 --> 00:42:59,824 He was perfectly honored. 768 00:43:02,145 --> 00:43:05,785 He could be a perfectly time corrected drummer 769 00:43:05,865 --> 00:43:07,865 if he so chose to be, 770 00:43:09,705 --> 00:43:10,626 but he didn't 'cause he knew it 771 00:43:10,706 --> 00:43:13,986 that that would be utterly soulless. 772 00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:16,226 (gentle music) 773 00:43:16,306 --> 00:43:18,146 - [Glyn] Consider the variety of music 774 00:43:18,226 --> 00:43:21,067 Stones have covered within the way Mickey Keith had written 775 00:43:21,147 --> 00:43:22,867 over the years and he's covered 776 00:43:22,947 --> 00:43:26,227 every aspect of what they wanted to do in his sleep. 777 00:43:27,147 --> 00:43:29,747 (gentle music) 778 00:43:33,228 --> 00:43:33,988 - [Narrator] The Rolling Stones 779 00:43:34,068 --> 00:43:36,028 have always been musical chameleons 780 00:43:36,108 --> 00:43:39,948 with a keen ear for trends, changing their colors, 781 00:43:40,028 --> 00:43:42,029 to suit the cultural landscape. 782 00:43:43,309 --> 00:43:45,669 - Charlie liked all kinds of dance music. 783 00:43:45,749 --> 00:43:48,549 So when the dance music craze 784 00:43:48,629 --> 00:43:51,310 kind of took off in the mid '70s, 785 00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:52,790 Charlie is really into that. 786 00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:55,550 It's like we talked about before it's all about beats. 787 00:43:56,990 --> 00:43:59,550 (upbeat music) 788 00:44:09,351 --> 00:44:10,752 - [Narrator] It's the beats of the New York dance floor 789 00:44:10,832 --> 00:44:14,552 that influence the Rolling Stones next new direction. 790 00:44:14,632 --> 00:44:16,672 - It's three in the morning in Manhattan 791 00:44:16,752 --> 00:44:20,553 and still at Studio 54, people crowd the doors 792 00:44:20,633 --> 00:44:22,513 hoping to get in. 793 00:44:22,593 --> 00:44:25,113 (gentle music) 794 00:44:25,193 --> 00:44:27,313 - [Narrator] Disco is exploding. 795 00:44:27,393 --> 00:44:29,913 And many of the huge hits heard in clubs 796 00:44:29,993 --> 00:44:32,874 are driven by legendary drummer, Earl Young, 797 00:44:32,954 --> 00:44:35,874 pioneer of the four-on-the-floor, disco beat. 798 00:44:35,954 --> 00:44:37,514 (gentle music) 799 00:44:37,594 --> 00:44:41,035 - [Earl] I guess he probably heard something that I did. 800 00:44:41,115 --> 00:44:43,435 And he said, "Well, look, so I can play that. 801 00:44:44,635 --> 00:44:46,795 "I'm gonna put that on one of our records." 802 00:44:48,835 --> 00:44:51,276 He got into the for-on-the-floor 803 00:44:52,596 --> 00:44:54,596 and got the Philly sound there. 804 00:44:55,676 --> 00:44:58,236 (upbeat music) 805 00:45:02,597 --> 00:45:06,277 I said, gee, I should be on there playing that song, man, 806 00:45:06,357 --> 00:45:07,597 got that groove. 807 00:45:07,677 --> 00:45:10,958 ♪ Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun ♪ 808 00:45:11,038 --> 00:45:13,118 And they rock with their dance group too. 809 00:45:14,958 --> 00:45:17,958 - Most of the time in rock band, it's music for dancing. 810 00:45:18,038 --> 00:45:20,879 And so if you like dancing, 811 00:45:21,959 --> 00:45:24,759 which Charlie was actually a really good dancer. 812 00:45:24,839 --> 00:45:27,079 So it's all to do dancing. 813 00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,199 (upbeat music) 814 00:45:29,279 --> 00:45:31,120 - [Narrator] "Miss You" introduces the Stones 815 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680 to a new audience and keeps them relevant 816 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,760 as a new decade approaches. 817 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600 For a blues band with a jazz drummer, 818 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,681 they're not a bad disco act. 819 00:45:42,241 --> 00:45:45,281 - [Max] When you really understand music in general, 820 00:45:45,361 --> 00:45:47,561 whether it's improvisational like jazz 821 00:45:47,641 --> 00:45:50,482 or a three minute rock record, it's all the same. 822 00:45:51,602 --> 00:45:52,882 (upbeat music) 823 00:45:52,962 --> 00:45:55,962 You just take that sensibility and ply it to the song 824 00:45:56,042 --> 00:45:59,802 that's presented and Charlie was the master of that. 825 00:45:59,882 --> 00:46:01,483 (upbeat music) 826 00:46:01,563 --> 00:46:04,443 - "Miss You" is recorded for the album, "Some Girls" 827 00:46:04,523 --> 00:46:09,203 released in 1978, and as ever Charlie's drumming 828 00:46:09,283 --> 00:46:12,124 is the essential ingredient holding it all together. 829 00:46:13,564 --> 00:46:16,164 But behind the scenes, their Mr. Reliable 830 00:46:16,244 --> 00:46:18,644 is having an uncharacteristic wobble. 831 00:46:36,726 --> 00:46:37,806 And I drank a lot. 832 00:46:37,886 --> 00:46:40,487 And then they all go together, 833 00:46:40,567 --> 00:46:45,287 and this is easy life to get hooked up in doing this 834 00:46:48,327 --> 00:46:50,928 especially if you're lucky to be in a position I'm in. 835 00:46:51,008 --> 00:46:53,728 I mean, you can sit here and ever anything fed to you. 836 00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:58,128 If you wanted that sort of life, it would last long, 837 00:46:58,208 --> 00:47:00,209 but you could sort of get into that. 838 00:47:02,849 --> 00:47:04,849 I took a lot of drugs late in life 839 00:47:06,649 --> 00:47:08,649 and didn't do it very well. 840 00:47:08,729 --> 00:47:10,850 So I nearly lost the marriage and my life. 841 00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:16,130 (bright upbeat music) 842 00:47:23,171 --> 00:47:27,051 In the mid '80s, I used to go out at night. 843 00:47:27,131 --> 00:47:28,291 It was ridiculous. 844 00:47:28,371 --> 00:47:31,292 It was a life of a junkie. 845 00:47:32,892 --> 00:47:35,692 (bright upbeat music) 846 00:47:43,853 --> 00:47:47,013 (bright upbeat music) 847 00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:51,174 - [Journalist] But how did you manage to resist it 848 00:47:51,254 --> 00:47:52,294 early on for those years? 849 00:47:52,374 --> 00:47:55,654 - I don't know, it was never something I wanted to do. 850 00:47:55,734 --> 00:47:57,974 And it was always around me, but I just wasn't interested. 851 00:47:58,054 --> 00:48:01,455 And then I got a kind of midlife crisis 852 00:48:01,535 --> 00:48:03,535 and became this other person. 853 00:48:04,135 --> 00:48:05,655 (bright upbeat music) 854 00:48:05,735 --> 00:48:07,215 - [Narrator] Charlie can never really explain 855 00:48:07,295 --> 00:48:09,895 what brings on his midlife crisis. 856 00:48:09,975 --> 00:48:14,216 Maybe it's personal or maybe it's just the Stones themselves 857 00:48:14,296 --> 00:48:17,256 who famously aren't getting along at the time, 858 00:48:17,336 --> 00:48:20,537 or perhaps, he's emulating his jazz heroes 859 00:48:20,617 --> 00:48:22,857 for whom heroin had been a handmade. 860 00:48:24,257 --> 00:48:26,577 - [Charlie] Parker is the classic man. 861 00:48:26,657 --> 00:48:30,298 To be that brilliant and that destructive 862 00:48:30,378 --> 00:48:32,218 is something terribly glamorous to me 863 00:48:32,298 --> 00:48:34,298 about being like that, 864 00:48:34,898 --> 00:48:37,298 it's just the genius really of it all. 865 00:48:39,698 --> 00:48:41,699 - [Journalist] Whatever the cause, 866 00:48:42,379 --> 00:48:45,779 salvation comes from the unlikeliest of places. 867 00:48:47,299 --> 00:48:51,860 - I told him that it's not just you, Charlie. (chuckles) 868 00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:58,220 And also no, the main thing that really worried me 869 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:00,901 about Charlie at the point was he is drinking. 870 00:49:00,981 --> 00:49:05,501 He was drinking like heavy duty, Cognac and other stuff. 871 00:49:05,581 --> 00:49:07,581 And Charlie was like blowing up. 872 00:49:09,341 --> 00:49:11,102 And if he was dabbling with other stuff, 873 00:49:11,182 --> 00:49:13,182 I didn't really mind. 874 00:49:13,782 --> 00:49:16,502 It was the booze that- 875 00:49:16,582 --> 00:49:17,582 Some people are just... 876 00:49:17,662 --> 00:49:19,022 They're the perfect as they are. 877 00:49:19,102 --> 00:49:22,143 They don't need stimulants, they don't need it. 878 00:49:22,223 --> 00:49:26,583 Us, I'm unfortunate imperfections, hell we need help. 879 00:49:26,663 --> 00:49:28,743 Charlie Watts didn't need any. 880 00:49:28,823 --> 00:49:33,824 He was immaculate conception. (laughs) 881 00:49:35,064 --> 00:49:36,744 Bless his heart. 882 00:49:36,824 --> 00:49:38,944 (gentle music) 883 00:49:39,024 --> 00:49:41,025 - [Charlie] Keith telling me this, 884 00:49:41,705 --> 00:49:44,265 and it stuck, and I just stopped. 885 00:49:46,145 --> 00:49:48,305 - [Narrator] While Charlie was hooked on heroin, 886 00:49:48,385 --> 00:49:52,106 his first addiction remained the strongest, jazz, 887 00:49:53,026 --> 00:49:56,826 and it's time to make a long-held fantasy a reality. 888 00:49:59,346 --> 00:50:00,747 - Let's stay leisurely now. 889 00:50:00,827 --> 00:50:02,387 Final rehearsals were underway 890 00:50:02,467 --> 00:50:04,587 at Ronnie Scott's Club in London today. 891 00:50:05,467 --> 00:50:06,707 (orchestral music) 892 00:50:06,787 --> 00:50:08,467 It's the Charlie Watts Big Band 893 00:50:08,547 --> 00:50:10,908 in rehearsal for their debut next week, 894 00:50:13,868 --> 00:50:16,628 some 33 musicians have joined forces 895 00:50:16,708 --> 00:50:19,308 to bring back that feeling of the Benny Goodman era. 896 00:50:20,429 --> 00:50:22,989 (gentle music) 897 00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:28,629 - [Dave] He has a great supporter of Ronnie Scott's Club 898 00:50:28,709 --> 00:50:30,710 and he wanted to give something back. 899 00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:33,430 The club was going through a bit of a difficult time 900 00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:36,830 at that point financially and was in danger of closing. 901 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:40,831 - [Charlie] I said that I would bring a band in. 902 00:50:40,911 --> 00:50:43,031 They could keep the proceeds. 903 00:50:43,951 --> 00:50:45,951 - [Dave] He gave that gig to the club. 904 00:50:47,151 --> 00:50:47,951 - [Newsreader] The musicians represent 905 00:50:48,031 --> 00:50:51,192 some of the biggest names in jazz rock in Britain today, 906 00:50:51,272 --> 00:50:53,312 alongside some newer musicians. 907 00:50:55,152 --> 00:50:59,832 ♪ Once I was a sentimental thing ♪ 908 00:50:59,912 --> 00:51:01,833 - One of those up and coming musicians 909 00:51:01,913 --> 00:51:06,553 is David Bowie's long-time collaborator, Gail Ann Dorsey. 910 00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:08,873 ♪ Now spring Roman ♪ 911 00:51:08,953 --> 00:51:10,834 - [Gail] This was Charlie Watts from The Rolling Stones, 912 00:51:10,914 --> 00:51:13,594 which is one of my favorite bands ever. 913 00:51:13,674 --> 00:51:16,634 I just remember him being just kind of the normal guy 914 00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:18,674 down the pub kind of guy. 915 00:51:18,754 --> 00:51:22,395 I think he was just so happy to be playing jazz. 916 00:51:22,475 --> 00:51:25,835 ♪ Oh, I've got to show ♪ 917 00:51:27,435 --> 00:51:29,315 - [Narrator] One position filled 918 00:51:29,395 --> 00:51:32,636 (upbeat music) 919 00:51:32,716 --> 00:51:34,716 that only leaves the other 32. 920 00:51:35,796 --> 00:51:37,596 (upbeat music) 921 00:51:37,676 --> 00:51:39,676 - [Charlie] So I brought a list up of people and I thought, 922 00:51:39,756 --> 00:51:41,757 "Who would I like?" 923 00:51:42,077 --> 00:51:46,277 - Jack, Bruce from Cream, Stan Tracy, 924 00:51:46,357 --> 00:51:48,357 the legendary jazz pianist 925 00:51:49,077 --> 00:51:51,398 (jazz music) 926 00:51:51,478 --> 00:51:54,758 and the young prodigy Courtney Pine on saxophone. 927 00:51:55,798 --> 00:51:58,318 (saxophone music) 928 00:51:58,398 --> 00:52:00,439 - [Courtney] Met Charlie, and he looks over to me 929 00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,919 and he said, "Yeah, have a good time." 930 00:52:03,799 --> 00:52:07,639 And I just remembered it being an incredible experience. 931 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,760 I'd never been on stage with people like that. 932 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,680 (saxophone music) 933 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,441 It was just an outstanding conceptual idea 934 00:52:21,521 --> 00:52:22,481 for jazz big band, 935 00:52:22,561 --> 00:52:25,161 which I don't think had ever been done before. 936 00:52:25,241 --> 00:52:28,521 (bright upbeat music) 937 00:52:28,601 --> 00:52:30,442 - [Gail] Each night before the show, 938 00:52:30,522 --> 00:52:32,402 I would be sort of peering out going, 939 00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:33,522 "Oh my God, who is walking through the door?" 940 00:52:33,602 --> 00:52:36,082 Each night, there was someone else famous. 941 00:52:36,162 --> 00:52:39,682 It was crazy, Chrissie Hynde and Gil Scott-Heron 942 00:52:39,762 --> 00:52:41,763 and all of the Stones came. 943 00:52:43,043 --> 00:52:44,603 David Bowie came in fact, 944 00:52:44,683 --> 00:52:47,283 and I actually asked, did you remember that was me? 945 00:52:47,363 --> 00:52:49,843 That singing with Charlie Watts Big Band? 946 00:52:51,964 --> 00:52:56,004 - I know Charlie's mom and my mom came down, (chuckles) 947 00:52:56,084 --> 00:52:58,764 Charlie got the limousine, they came to the club, 948 00:52:58,844 --> 00:53:02,125 saw the first hit and then went over the car again. (laughs) 949 00:53:02,205 --> 00:53:05,125 (soft music) 950 00:53:05,205 --> 00:53:09,165 - [Gail] I just remember him smiling a lot. (chuckles) 951 00:53:09,245 --> 00:53:12,646 I think in his head he was like, "Yeah, fulfilling, 952 00:53:12,726 --> 00:53:15,966 "is something that he really always wanted to do." 953 00:53:16,046 --> 00:53:18,286 - [Courtney] Smiling, smiling, smiling. 954 00:53:18,366 --> 00:53:21,607 'Cause he realized he was a part of an amazing creation. 955 00:53:21,687 --> 00:53:25,647 And it really was a turning point for me, for my career. 956 00:53:25,727 --> 00:53:28,767 And for that, I'll be ever grateful to Charlie Watts. 957 00:53:28,847 --> 00:53:31,088 (soft music) 958 00:53:31,168 --> 00:53:33,408 - [Dave] The place was packed every night 959 00:53:33,488 --> 00:53:35,648 'cause it was Charlie's Big Band, 960 00:53:35,728 --> 00:53:37,888 probably did save the club from closing. 961 00:53:37,968 --> 00:53:39,608 (soft music) 962 00:53:39,688 --> 00:53:42,609 - [Narrator] Charlie's Big Band holiday reinvigorates him. 963 00:53:43,809 --> 00:53:46,329 (audience applauding) 964 00:53:46,409 --> 00:53:48,809 So when his other band get back on the road, 965 00:53:50,129 --> 00:53:50,970 (audience applauding) 966 00:53:51,050 --> 00:53:53,210 there's a renewed sense of purpose. 967 00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:58,890 This is an era when the Stones fully embrace their billing 968 00:53:58,970 --> 00:54:01,051 as pioneers of stadium rock, 969 00:54:02,731 --> 00:54:04,851 their tours become ever more elaborate. 970 00:54:06,091 --> 00:54:09,651 But at the heart of all the extravagance and innovation, 971 00:54:09,731 --> 00:54:12,212 some things never change. 972 00:54:12,292 --> 00:54:13,932 (upbeat music) 973 00:54:14,012 --> 00:54:16,252 ♪ Hey ♪ 974 00:54:16,332 --> 00:54:18,452 ♪ Start me up ♪ 975 00:54:18,532 --> 00:54:22,933 ♪ Start me up from every side ♪ 976 00:54:23,013 --> 00:54:25,693 (drums beating) 977 00:54:32,454 --> 00:54:33,854 - [Journalist] How do you power 978 00:54:33,934 --> 00:54:35,494 the greatest rock and roll band in the world 979 00:54:35,574 --> 00:54:38,454 with what looks like a starter drum kit? 980 00:54:39,454 --> 00:54:41,015 - [Charlie] I don't know. 981 00:54:41,095 --> 00:54:44,495 All that is how you set up, how you play. 982 00:54:44,575 --> 00:54:47,615 And some people need lots of drum. 983 00:54:47,695 --> 00:54:49,775 I mean a lot of times they just for show. 984 00:54:51,776 --> 00:54:54,816 - [Slash] It's just this old, very sort of funky 985 00:54:54,896 --> 00:54:56,976 little four piece kit (chuckles) 986 00:54:57,056 --> 00:55:00,337 and the snare looked like it was from like the 30s. 987 00:55:00,417 --> 00:55:02,617 And I guess he'd been playing that same snare 988 00:55:02,697 --> 00:55:03,737 for God knows how long. 989 00:55:03,817 --> 00:55:08,137 And it just was something very endearing about the humanity 990 00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:12,098 and his setup for this massive production that was going on 991 00:55:12,178 --> 00:55:14,018 stuck with me. 992 00:55:14,098 --> 00:55:17,298 - The mystery inspired me I think with Charlie, 993 00:55:17,378 --> 00:55:21,659 is because he's such a laid back, well- dressed gentleman 994 00:55:21,739 --> 00:55:24,219 was going like that. 995 00:55:24,299 --> 00:55:27,419 Then it's like a firework explosion when he plays the drums 996 00:55:27,499 --> 00:55:31,660 with no effort, it was the most amazing feeling 997 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:34,900 to have him behind you in the engine room. 998 00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:37,460 (upbeat music) 999 00:55:37,540 --> 00:55:38,300 - [Stewart] Youngsters like me, 1000 00:55:38,380 --> 00:55:40,861 we like to have a lot of things to bang on, 1001 00:55:40,941 --> 00:55:43,701 but Charlie, his fundamental purpose on the planet 1002 00:55:43,781 --> 00:55:47,141 was groove and he had all the equipment he needed 1003 00:55:47,221 --> 00:55:49,221 to do just that and no more. 1004 00:55:50,262 --> 00:55:51,542 - [Glyn] Most drummers when they get 1005 00:55:51,622 --> 00:55:53,022 into a big rock and roll band 1006 00:55:53,102 --> 00:55:54,942 and they're playing stadiums and they get a kit, 1007 00:55:55,022 --> 00:55:56,062 the size of the stage, 1008 00:55:56,142 --> 00:55:58,702 Charlie never changed anything at all. 1009 00:55:58,782 --> 00:56:00,903 He started with four drums 1010 00:56:00,983 --> 00:56:03,583 and I'm pretty sure that's how he ended up. 1011 00:56:04,623 --> 00:56:05,583 (drums beating) 1012 00:56:05,663 --> 00:56:10,664 - It was an amazing thing to drive the Stones like he did. 1013 00:56:11,584 --> 00:56:13,984 (soft music) 1014 00:56:17,144 --> 00:56:18,344 - [Narrator] From his very first gig 1015 00:56:18,424 --> 00:56:20,425 with The Rolling Stones in '63, 1016 00:56:21,825 --> 00:56:25,465 to his last ever show, 58 years later, 1017 00:56:25,545 --> 00:56:28,905 Charlie is the calm, reassuring presence at the back, 1018 00:56:29,745 --> 00:56:34,266 holding it all together. (audience applauding) 1019 00:56:34,346 --> 00:56:37,306 - [Audience] Charlie, Charlie! 1020 00:56:37,386 --> 00:56:40,547 (audience applauding) 1021 00:56:43,787 --> 00:56:46,747 With the embodiment of rock and roll to the left of him 1022 00:56:46,827 --> 00:56:49,627 and a truly global superstar to the right, 1023 00:56:49,707 --> 00:56:54,108 Charlie is stuck in the middle physically and emotionally, 1024 00:56:55,108 --> 00:56:56,188 but with his grounded, 1025 00:56:56,268 --> 00:56:59,268 no nonsense approach to fame and rock and roll. 1026 00:56:59,348 --> 00:57:03,269 He was and is still the soul of the band. 1027 00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:05,989 - [Jon] Charlie was that silent leader, 1028 00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:08,749 the elder they'll knock you in the nose 1029 00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:10,790 if you say the wrong word, 1030 00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:12,230 but on the other hand, 1031 00:57:12,310 --> 00:57:14,830 there's nobody that you'd rather have by your side. 1032 00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:20,271 (gentle music) 1033 00:57:20,351 --> 00:57:22,551 - [Bernard] You never saw a Charlie riffled. 1034 00:57:23,591 --> 00:57:27,471 And when the two of them, when they get ruffled, 1035 00:57:27,551 --> 00:57:30,712 Charlie smiles, he sit back there and looks at him and says, 1036 00:57:30,792 --> 00:57:35,792 "Oh for God's sakes, Bernard, what are they on about?" 1037 00:57:36,712 --> 00:57:38,712 He was the equalizer. 1038 00:57:40,192 --> 00:57:42,993 - [Patrick] He was a very safe haven 1039 00:57:43,073 --> 00:57:45,633 in complicated group of people. 1040 00:57:47,833 --> 00:57:50,033 - [Jane] Charlie was the rock and they both loved him 1041 00:57:50,113 --> 00:57:52,754 and he loved both of them and he's apolitical. 1042 00:57:52,834 --> 00:57:56,114 (group laughing) 1043 00:57:56,194 --> 00:57:59,314 - [Bernard] Charlie speaks, they both listen, 1044 00:57:59,394 --> 00:58:03,715 whether it goes to the Mick side or the Keith side, 1045 00:58:03,795 --> 00:58:05,875 Charlie will decide that. 1046 00:58:05,955 --> 00:58:08,995 Charlie will decide that. 1047 00:58:09,075 --> 00:58:10,956 I miss that cad. 1048 00:58:11,036 --> 00:58:13,676 (gentle music) 1049 00:58:13,756 --> 00:58:16,556 - [Max] He famously had a little coat hanger 1050 00:58:16,636 --> 00:58:18,836 on the stand that you get in hotels. 1051 00:58:18,916 --> 00:58:21,277 And that's where he would hang his jacket. 1052 00:58:21,357 --> 00:58:23,277 And hanging over the coat stand 1053 00:58:23,357 --> 00:58:26,877 was a sign that said, "Open or closed." 1054 00:58:26,957 --> 00:58:28,437 And when Charlie was playing the drums, 1055 00:58:28,517 --> 00:58:30,518 it would say, "Open," 1056 00:58:30,598 --> 00:58:32,758 and when he wasn't, it would say, "Closed." 1057 00:58:33,998 --> 00:58:36,358 And the only person who'd changed it was Charlie. 1058 00:58:36,438 --> 00:58:39,038 (gentle music) 1059 00:58:42,839 --> 00:58:45,519 (drums beating) 1060 00:58:48,919 --> 00:58:51,520 (upbeat music) 1061 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,481 (upbeat music continues)