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I wanna call it a nightmare.

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It was

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absolutely wrong from the beginning.

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I personally think
it was an experiment for him,

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some sick game.

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I think
about the "why" every single day.

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Hi, Jacoba, this is Dr. Webber calling.

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I have your lab results in.

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So give me a call when you have a chance,
and we can go over those.

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-Thank you. Bye.

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Hi, this message is for Jacoba Ballard.
This is Jane over at Dr. Chan's office.

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Give us a callback. We want
to reschedule you for an appointment.

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Thanks so much.

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Growing up, I felt different.

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{\an8}I'm this blonde-haired, blue-eyed person

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{\an8}in a family with dark hair

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{\an8}and, like, olive skin and dark eyes.

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So, I kept asking my mom

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if I was adopted.

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I kept, like, reassuring my parents,

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and I'm like, "It's fine if I am,
you can tell me. It'll be okay."

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Finally, my mom told me the truth.

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So, I've known since the age of ten

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that I was from donor sperm.

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I believe it was 1979,

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and… I wanted a child so bad,

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{\an8}but my husband could not have children.

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{\an8}So I went to see Dr. Cline

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for artificial insemination.

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I was young.

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I think, like, 20, 21.

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He was professional.

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Uh, we didn't really say a lot.

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I mean, he just told us
that he would match us with a donor

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that looked like my husband.

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He was gonna use medical students,

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their sperm.

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And so, when I start ovulating,

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I went in, they did the procedure…

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and, um, I went home, and I was pregnant.

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She's my everything.

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I love that child more than life itself.

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I always had
this longing for siblings.

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I just wanted somebody that related to me,

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that's, you know, my brother or sister,

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and I just wanted to have that bond.

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When I was around the age of 18,

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you know, around, like, 1999,

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there wasn't commercial DNA testing.

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All I knew
was my mom went to Dr. Donald Cline,

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and he was the go-to doctor.

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My mom was told that

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they used a medical resident
for donor sperm,

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and they never used
the medical resident or the donor,

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say, more than three times.

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So, since there was me,

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I figured that I might have
one or two half-siblings.

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So, I looked him up,
and I called him at his office.

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He actually answered the phone.

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I wanted to know if he had a donor number

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or my mom's medical records

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to where I could have
some kind of identifying information.

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He was very

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straightforward, matter-of-fact,

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um, no empathy.

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But I remember asking him,

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like, telling him
I wanted to find half-siblings,

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and he said that
I can't ever know that information.

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My mother's records have been destroyed.

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He wished me good luck,
and that was it.

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I just went on with life and, you know,

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married, raised my children,
and hoped that someday maybe

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I would find a sibling or two.

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{\an8}Watching our friends' children
growing up around us

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{\an8}left us feeling isolated and desperate.

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{\an8}But as we found out, we were not alone.

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{\an8}One out of five couples
living in the United States

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{\an8}experience infertility problems.

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{\an8}The physicians and staff
at Indianapolis Infertility

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{\an8}can help you understand your particular
infertility problem more clearly.

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{\an8}Both Dr. Donald Cline
and Dr. Robert Colver

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{\an8}are specialists
in the field of infertility

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{\an8}and have achieved excellent results

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{\an8}in diagnosing and treating
thousands of infertile couples.

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{\an8}Dr. Cline was the best-known
infertility doctor in Indianapolis.

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{\an8}And I started working for him

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{\an8}in '81 to '94.

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I worked 13 years.

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I was partnered with Dr. Cline
from 1987 to 1991, and I have to say,

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{\an8}my career wouldn't be
what it has been over the last 35 years

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{\an8}if it hadn't been for Don Cline. So…

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You know, I have a very special place
in my heart for that man.

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Before '85, for an insemination

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or for a donor insemination,

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fresh sperm was used.

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And back then,
you didn't have, like today,

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you go on a website, 300 guys show up.

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We had a notebook

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so they could pick
from what donor criteria they wanted.

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The hospital was--
It's just right across the street.

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And I actually went to the hospital
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because they were residents,
and I knew 'em.

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And they would pass me the specimen,

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and I would take it back to the office.

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It has to be kept warm, body temperature.

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And so I transported the sample in my bra,

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so the sperm was still viable
by the time I got it over at the office.

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It was a great field.
It was really interesting.

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We were putting tubes back together
so people… women could get pregnant.

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And he had
a terrific success rate at that.

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We'd do laser surgery on tubes,

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and that was a new thing
that Don did that other doctors didn't do.

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For these couples, you have to have them

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really think through this,
talk through this, pray about it.

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Really feel like you thought through
this whole thing, because

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once you do that donor insemination

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and they get pregnant,
that's their baby. Forever.

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It was always very emotional

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{\an8}when one of your girlfriends
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{\an8}because there were several times
that I'd get off the phone,

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{\an8}and I'd just cry
because I wanted a child so bad.

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My husband and I had gone
to various fertility doctors

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trying to find… my issue.

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It was hard on me and my husband.

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But I thought, "Okay. I've finally found
a doctor that might be able to help us

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because he was so well-known."

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{\an8}I was about 27.

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{\an8}I, uh… My husband and I
talked about having our own children.

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My husband got tested,
and he was infertile.

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I was told, "The only person
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is Dr. Don Cline."

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"He's the best of the best, so go to him."

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By that point,
it'd been two and a half years

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of having my period
when I wanted to really conceive,

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taking my temperature, and…
for every month and every day.

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So it was the first time I felt--
It was hopeful.

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I carried my husband's sperm
in a little container.

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Well, we didn't have much time
because you had to have it there,

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I think, within an hour.

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And then there was this room

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that I would go into
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right then with the sperm,

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with some kind of long, like, um…

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Well, it looked like a needle-type thing,
but that was all I remember.

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He'd walk me back to the exam room,

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I'm lying down,
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He said, "Okay. I'm gonna, uh,
put this… this specimen in you."

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So I wait on the table
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I was thinking actually positive thoughts.

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I was thinking,

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"Wow. I might be able to have a child."

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When the doctor's office called me

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and told me I was pregnant,

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I… I couldn't believe it.

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We were just so happy
when I had her.

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I even took Julie back into the office
and then showed her off to Dr. Cline.

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I thought I had altitude sickness.

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So I laid off a little bit of skiing,

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and ate more crackers, and drank some tea,

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and, um, never thinking I was pregnant.

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I thought I was just late.

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I was ecstatic.

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I thought it was a gift at the time.

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In 2014, you see 23andMe

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on, like, every other commercial on TV.

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I was 35,

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and I told my husband
I was gonna take a DNA test

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because I figured,
at least, I had one or two siblings.

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I felt like it was kind of a bonus
if I did find the donor,

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but that wasn't, like, my goal.

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My goal was to find a sibling.

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The fall of 2014,

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I received my results.

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I remember that day vividly.

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It came back that I was related to

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seven siblings.

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It was actually immediate excitement, um,

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with concern.

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Finding out
that I had siblings was amazing,

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but there's, you know, eight of us.

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What… what's going on here?

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Because my mom was told

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that they never used a donor
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{\an8}Three times was the ideal.

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{\an8}We didn't want a large population

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{\an8}with all the same father.

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{\an8}There's the concern for consanguinity,

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{\an8}uh, having too many people
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that could potentially be your brother
or your sister, and you didn't know it.

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Because you could potentially
have a brother and sister marrying.

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This doesn't make sense.

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Obviously, you used someone's sperm
more than three times.

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And that's when we started
to do our own investigating.

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Every weekend, we would call each other,

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or we would plug names into Ancestry
and work on a family tree.

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We joked one day, trying to figure it out,

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and we're like, "Wouldn't it be crazy
if it was the doctor?"

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But we disregarded it, and we're like,

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"Probably not, but we'll go through
this journey together."

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"We'll help each other find
who our biological father is."

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We were able to just focus
on our paternal matches,

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and we all matched a lady named Sylvia,

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who was our second cousin,

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and she was on 23andMe.

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So, we had messaged her.

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I asked her what surnames
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and she gave us a whole list of names.

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One of the names
that popped up was Swinford.

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Swinford is
Donald Cline's mother's maiden name.

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I said, "By any chance,

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do you have
the name Cline in your family?"

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She said, "Oh yes,
I completely forgot. My cousin Don."

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"He's a doctor."

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Right then, my stomach dropped,

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and I felt sick because she just confirmed

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what I think we probably already knew,
but we were hoping wasn't true.

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Dr. Donald Cline

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could be our biological father.

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I was in shock.

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There were so many emotions.

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So many questions.

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He lied about a donor being used.

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Why did he do it?

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And how long did he do it?

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And how many siblings do we have?

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I honestly didn't know who to go to.

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I googled, like, "Where do you make
a complaint against a doctor?"

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That, in turn,
led to me filing a complaint

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with the Attorney General's office
for Indiana.

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So, then I received a form back
from the Attorney General's office

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that was like,
their generic messaging like,

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"Hi. We've received your complaint,
and it's gonna be investigated further,

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and someone will be in touch."

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We waited and waited.
Nobody was returning my calls.

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No questioning, nothing
from the Attorney General's office.

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I wanted answers.

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So I reached out
to every news outlet, big and small,

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and nobody would pick up the story.

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{\an8}…and I'm Angela Ganote.

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{\an8}Yeah. We're starting off
on a chilly start today,

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{\an8}but it's gonna warm up and warm up fast.

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{\an8}I was watching TV one day,

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and I was like… …"Her!"

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-"I forgot to send it to her."

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In February of 2015,
I logged onto Facebook,

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and I had a message from Jacoba.

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The message was in-depth,

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saying that she believed
a doctor in Indianapolis

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had inseminated multiple women
with his own sperm.

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{\an8}It was shocking,
but it was also backed by proof.

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Before Jacoba came to me,

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she had reached out
to Attorney General of our state,

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the Attorney General of the United States.

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She had reached out
to national news organizations,

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and she had gotten no response.

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And I thought,
"Why is no one listening, or at least

257
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finding the truth?"

258
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I walked into our news director's office,

259
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and I said,
"You guys are not gonna believe this."

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I reached out to Dr. Cline
in the very beginning.

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He told me that he was not the father.

262
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He told me that he only used sperm
from a doctor in training,

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that there is no way possible

264
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that the siblings had more
than three brothers or sisters.

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I asked if he would like
to see the DNA evidence.

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I asked him if he would like
to provide his own DNA

267
00:19:37,097 --> 00:19:39,641
so that he could help them.

268
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"If you're not the father,
have a DNA test and prove to them."

269
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And he wouldn't.

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So when we
first aired the first story,

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I couldn't use his name,
and that was, um, hard for me.

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Sisters, born here in Indiana,
uncover a family secret.

273
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Their dad is not their biological father.

274
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They are donor children,

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the product of an anonymous man
who donated his sperm.

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00:20:08,795 --> 00:20:11,840
Since we didn't have
Donald Cline's DNA,

277
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we couldn't really move forward

278
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until we had him take a DNA test

279
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to prove that
he was our biological father.

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Like, we knew it in our gut,
but we didn't have anybody at the state

281
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that would get back with us, and

282
00:20:29,691 --> 00:20:33,237
{\an8}they weren't in any hurry
to get a DNA sample from him.

283
00:20:35,948 --> 00:20:40,202
So, one of my half-siblings

284
00:20:40,285 --> 00:20:43,121
messaged all
of Cline's children and grandchildren

285
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that were over the age of 18.

286
00:20:45,457 --> 00:20:46,750
Basically said,

287
00:20:47,793 --> 00:20:50,379
"Our mothers went through
infertility treatment."

288
00:20:52,464 --> 00:20:55,676
"Did somebody
in your family donate sperm?"

289
00:21:02,015 --> 00:21:05,477
It was probably
a week or two later,

290
00:21:06,645 --> 00:21:09,564
Cline's son messaged me.

291
00:21:11,525 --> 00:21:14,027
So, I met with Doug and Donna,

292
00:21:14,653 --> 00:21:17,781
which are two of Cline's children,
with his wife, Audrey.

293
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,869
I chose to do it at my church

294
00:21:22,953 --> 00:21:25,205
because I felt more comfortable.

295
00:21:26,290 --> 00:21:28,250
I don't know these people,

296
00:21:28,333 --> 00:21:31,920
and these are some big accusations.

297
00:21:33,255 --> 00:21:35,257
They said they had talked to their dad,

298
00:21:35,841 --> 00:21:41,847
and he did admit
that he was our biological father.

299
00:21:43,015 --> 00:21:49,062
But Doug said that the only time
that Cline used his sperm

300
00:21:49,146 --> 00:21:51,440
was when he didn't have access to a donor,

301
00:21:52,524 --> 00:21:55,027
and as far as siblings go,

302
00:21:55,902 --> 00:21:58,363
there was absolutely no more than ten.

303
00:22:13,879 --> 00:22:17,257
I had seen
the news pop on one night…

304
00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:21,303
…they are donor children
searching for answers…

305
00:22:21,386 --> 00:22:24,639
…and I saw Jacoba on TV,

306
00:22:24,723 --> 00:22:29,394
and my husband thought
that we looked a lot alike.

307
00:22:30,187 --> 00:22:32,064
{\an8}My husband's exact words were,

308
00:22:32,147 --> 00:22:34,274
{\an8}"I don't feel like
this is going to end well,

309
00:22:34,358 --> 00:22:36,193
{\an8}and I want you to be aware of that."

310
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,489
So I talked to my mom.

311
00:22:41,948 --> 00:22:43,867
My daughter called me and said,

312
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{\an8}"Should I get tested?" And I said, "No."

313
00:22:47,371 --> 00:22:49,289
{\an8}'Cause I, at that point in time,

314
00:22:49,373 --> 00:22:51,875
{\an8}I thought it was
my husband's sperm that he had used.

315
00:22:51,958 --> 00:22:54,002
She said,

316
00:22:54,086 --> 00:22:56,421
"You know, honey.
This doesn't apply to you."

317
00:22:56,505 --> 00:22:59,966
"This doesn't pertain to you at all.
I know you're your dad and I's."

318
00:23:00,050 --> 00:23:03,512
Um, but something in my gut,
I just couldn't let it go.

319
00:23:05,263 --> 00:23:08,642
So I notified Jacoba via Facebook.

320
00:23:08,725 --> 00:23:12,604
She wasn't really sure
if this would pertain to me at all,

321
00:23:12,687 --> 00:23:16,733
'cause I was supposed to have been
from my father and not a donor.

322
00:23:16,817 --> 00:23:19,528
So she said the best way
to do it is just take a test.

323
00:23:19,611 --> 00:23:20,654
And once I took that test,

324
00:23:20,737 --> 00:23:23,115
if we were related,
her name would show up.

325
00:23:33,834 --> 00:23:35,961
Hardest thing I've ever had to go through.

326
00:23:41,341 --> 00:23:44,177
Go back to everything
that you've known about yourself.

327
00:23:46,388 --> 00:23:50,100
It just completely
washes away your identity.

328
00:23:52,686 --> 00:23:55,355
And you really have no idea
who you are anymore.

329
00:23:58,316 --> 00:23:59,860
We both cried on the phone,

330
00:24:01,027 --> 00:24:03,822
and then I had to…

331
00:24:05,991 --> 00:24:08,076
…figure out a way
I was gonna tell my husband

332
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,788
'cause I knew
that it was gonna devastate him.

333
00:24:11,872 --> 00:24:15,417
I said, "Remember
when we went to Dr. Cline?"

334
00:24:15,917 --> 00:24:19,588
And I said, "Unfortunately, um,

335
00:24:19,671 --> 00:24:23,508
Dr. Cline didn't use your sperm.
He used his own."

336
00:24:24,217 --> 00:24:25,051
"So…

337
00:24:27,012 --> 00:24:30,140
we're just now finding out
that Julie is not yours."

338
00:24:31,266 --> 00:24:32,934
My husband started crying.

339
00:24:33,768 --> 00:24:38,315
And he said that,
and I'll never forget these words.

340
00:24:38,398 --> 00:24:41,860
He says,
"He's taken everything away from me."

341
00:24:43,612 --> 00:24:44,613
And he did.

342
00:24:45,947 --> 00:24:46,948
It's hard.

343
00:24:47,032 --> 00:24:49,910
I mean, what did he do
with my dad's sperm?

344
00:24:49,993 --> 00:24:52,120
He just threw it away like it was nothing?

345
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,333
I mean, it's just-- It's wrong.

346
00:25:07,135 --> 00:25:09,054
After I met with Doug,

347
00:25:09,554 --> 00:25:12,849
he had called me and said,

348
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:16,311
"I will do whatever it takes
to get you the answers."

349
00:25:17,187 --> 00:25:19,481
And I said, "We want to meet him."

350
00:25:19,564 --> 00:25:21,525
"We have questions for him."

351
00:25:23,109 --> 00:25:25,362
"I want him to look us in the eye."

352
00:25:25,445 --> 00:25:28,031
"You at least owe us that much."

353
00:25:31,284 --> 00:25:35,539
And so he set up a time
for myself and five other siblings

354
00:25:35,622 --> 00:25:37,123
to be able to meet Cline.

355
00:25:45,173 --> 00:25:48,051
It was almost like
the moment that his feet hit the floor,

356
00:25:48,134 --> 00:25:50,929
you could hear his footsteps,

357
00:25:51,012 --> 00:25:52,722
and you could hear his cane.

358
00:25:54,224 --> 00:25:57,519
He was not showing emotion.

359
00:25:58,562 --> 00:26:02,649
And on his hip,
I could see the outline of a gun.

360
00:26:04,651 --> 00:26:08,530
I think that it was
partially to intimidate us.

361
00:26:11,116 --> 00:26:13,493
So he introduced himself,

362
00:26:13,577 --> 00:26:18,498
and he went around the table,
asking each one's name, age,

363
00:26:18,582 --> 00:26:21,209
and what they did for a profession.

364
00:26:25,589 --> 00:26:28,842
It was almost like he was ranking us.

365
00:26:28,925 --> 00:26:30,510
Like, "Let me see

366
00:26:30,594 --> 00:26:34,639
which one of my offspring
made it to the top."

367
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,475
I felt like we were being judged.

368
00:26:40,061 --> 00:26:42,689
Then we asked about medical history

369
00:26:42,772 --> 00:26:47,027
because some of us,
we have autoimmune disorders and stuff.

370
00:26:48,236 --> 00:26:51,573
He said that there was nothing
that we needed to worry about.

371
00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:56,036
He had a piece of paper with him

372
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,788
that he brought scripture on.

373
00:26:58,872 --> 00:27:00,540
Jeremiah- 5.

374
00:27:01,666 --> 00:27:05,128
I remember him looking at me
and going, "Jacoba, this is for you."

375
00:27:05,211 --> 00:27:07,672
Because he knew
I was having a hard time with this,

376
00:27:07,756 --> 00:27:10,091
and I'm like, "Put that shit away."

377
00:27:10,967 --> 00:27:14,596
I said-- I did, I said,
"Just put that shit away."

378
00:27:14,679 --> 00:27:18,141
"You're not gonna use my God
to justify your actions."

379
00:27:19,643 --> 00:27:23,980
One of my siblings did ask him
why he used his own sperm.

380
00:27:24,064 --> 00:27:27,484
And he said that he only did it

381
00:27:27,567 --> 00:27:29,486
because he felt like the mothers

382
00:27:29,569 --> 00:27:33,073
were just basically desperate for a child,

383
00:27:33,156 --> 00:27:35,325
and he was doing it to help them.

384
00:27:37,661 --> 00:27:40,789
Finally, he said that the absolute number,

385
00:27:40,872 --> 00:27:43,583
there would not be more than 15 siblings.

386
00:27:51,883 --> 00:27:53,468
It's just too fucked up.

387
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,016
{\an8}

388
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,268
{\an8}I… I just felt bad for my mother.

389
00:28:04,312 --> 00:28:05,230
I mean…

390
00:28:07,273 --> 00:28:08,525
here she was, you know,

391
00:28:08,608 --> 00:28:11,653
a young woman
just wanting to have a family

392
00:28:11,736 --> 00:28:13,029
like anyone else.

393
00:28:19,577 --> 00:28:22,914
It's a sick individual
that puts themselves in that position

394
00:28:22,997 --> 00:28:24,207
to be able to do that.

395
00:28:28,336 --> 00:28:32,006
{\an8}There are parts of me that wish
that I never had to deal with infertility.

396
00:28:39,431 --> 00:28:41,099
I wish that walk on no one.

397
00:28:45,395 --> 00:28:48,648
The way it worked
for me with Cline is, uh,

398
00:28:48,732 --> 00:28:50,900
I would go to his office.

399
00:28:52,986 --> 00:28:55,864
He was always
the only one in the office,

400
00:28:55,947 --> 00:28:58,450
whether I was coming in
on a weekend or during the week,

401
00:28:58,533 --> 00:29:01,077
during the midday, or late evening.

402
00:29:01,661 --> 00:29:04,956
He was the only one that greeted me
in his office, which was strange.

403
00:29:09,043 --> 00:29:11,463
And now the truth is that,

404
00:29:11,546 --> 00:29:13,465
as Cline was closing the door

405
00:29:13,548 --> 00:29:16,009
and I'm undressing
and putting my feet in the stirrups

406
00:29:16,092 --> 00:29:19,471
getting ready for him
to bring in the donor's sperm,

407
00:29:19,971 --> 00:29:24,809
he was in the-- some other place
in the office ejaculating,

408
00:29:24,893 --> 00:29:28,563
and not only creating the erection,
but he has to go in full force

409
00:29:28,646 --> 00:29:31,399
in a sexual manner
to create that ejaculation.

410
00:29:32,275 --> 00:29:36,696
To me, that has always remained
a very sad part to me,

411
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:38,198
and disgusting.

412
00:29:39,574 --> 00:29:42,535
That he was placing then his semen

413
00:29:42,619 --> 00:29:45,246
into some kind of syringe,

414
00:29:46,122 --> 00:29:51,002
and then he's got to place that syringe
at the base of my cervix.

415
00:29:53,254 --> 00:29:54,798
The fact that he

416
00:29:55,882 --> 00:29:58,468
was still in an endocrine high

417
00:29:58,551 --> 00:30:00,553
from having the ejaculation

418
00:30:01,721 --> 00:30:04,808
has no place in a medical setting.

419
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:11,689
When Matt's DNA test came back…

420
00:30:17,028 --> 00:30:18,822
my first words were,

421
00:30:19,614 --> 00:30:22,283
"I was raped 15 times
and didn't even know it."

422
00:30:27,247 --> 00:30:29,666
This is unbelievable.

423
00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:32,001
How the fuck did no one know?

424
00:30:32,502 --> 00:30:35,964
I mean, just even the act of what he did

425
00:30:36,047 --> 00:30:38,550
for so many years,

426
00:30:38,633 --> 00:30:41,344
and to just get away with it

427
00:30:41,845 --> 00:30:45,849
for decades, and no one knew anything.

428
00:30:46,516 --> 00:30:48,142
No one in the office?

429
00:30:48,768 --> 00:30:49,644
Come on.

430
00:30:50,728 --> 00:30:52,272
Well, here's the thing.

431
00:30:53,273 --> 00:30:55,108
There wasn't much traffic
on that first floor

432
00:30:55,191 --> 00:30:57,443
other than
we'd come directly into our office.

433
00:30:57,527 --> 00:31:00,947
Don could have
clearly collected a specimen,

434
00:31:01,447 --> 00:31:04,033
{\an8}and then he got it back,
and no one would know.

435
00:31:04,117 --> 00:31:06,828
{\an8}They could-- The nurse
could be in there for the insemination.

436
00:31:06,911 --> 00:31:10,206
They wouldn't know if it was
a donor from the hospital or not.

437
00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:15,795
{\an8}Dr. Colver and I have discussed it,
and we had no idea.

438
00:31:16,379 --> 00:31:19,424
{\an8}It just was never a thought,

439
00:31:19,507 --> 00:31:22,010
because it was so totally opposite

440
00:31:23,136 --> 00:31:25,305
from his normal behavior.

441
00:31:32,562 --> 00:31:35,023
This was a person
of a position of power.

442
00:31:35,607 --> 00:31:37,775
{\an8}He's known in our community
as a philanthropist.

443
00:31:37,859 --> 00:31:40,403
{\an8}He's known in our community
as an elder of the church.

444
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,907
He was always a doctor.

445
00:31:44,657 --> 00:31:47,368
He was not gonna sit there
and chat with you.

446
00:31:47,952 --> 00:31:49,996
It was all pretty much

447
00:31:51,331 --> 00:31:53,791
doctor-person relationship.

448
00:31:54,876 --> 00:31:57,754
Or a stern father figure,

449
00:31:57,837 --> 00:32:00,965
if, you know,
if you can relate better to that.

450
00:32:02,216 --> 00:32:06,095
{\an8}Mark was stationed
at Grissom Air Force Base,

451
00:32:06,179 --> 00:32:07,680
{\an8}and so was Don,

452
00:32:07,764 --> 00:32:11,601
{\an8}and we were socially friendly.

453
00:32:11,684 --> 00:32:15,188
I would say arrogant fits him,
for some reason.

454
00:32:15,271 --> 00:32:18,942
I mean, I don't know
exactly why I felt that way.

455
00:32:19,025 --> 00:32:23,112
You… you do because you were
in study groups and so on.

456
00:32:23,988 --> 00:32:27,909
Uh, he was… he was okay.
I mean, he obviously was a bright guy.

457
00:32:27,992 --> 00:32:29,994
He thought he knew-- He did know a lot.

458
00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:31,663
He always was confident.

459
00:32:32,246 --> 00:32:33,623
He always was self-assured.

460
00:32:33,706 --> 00:32:36,584
He wasn't-- I never saw him doubt

461
00:32:37,377 --> 00:32:39,879
that what he was doing wasn't right.

462
00:32:42,256 --> 00:32:45,718
If you knew something,
and he knew something, he knew more.

463
00:32:46,719 --> 00:32:48,388
That was his attitude.

464
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:54,769
He always belittled
how much I knew about child de--

465
00:32:54,852 --> 00:32:57,146
You know, child development, even.

466
00:32:57,939 --> 00:33:00,400
I mean, that was my area of specialty.

467
00:33:00,483 --> 00:33:05,279
Uh, I… I have a PhD in neurobiology,

468
00:33:05,363 --> 00:33:08,658
and I'm also, um,
an occupational therapist,

469
00:33:08,741 --> 00:33:11,035
and I treated preemies.

470
00:33:12,078 --> 00:33:13,413
But he knew more.

471
00:33:16,124 --> 00:33:17,667
If you crossed him…

472
00:33:19,502 --> 00:33:20,420
…that was it.

473
00:33:27,135 --> 00:33:31,222
The first conversations
that I had with Dr. Cline,

474
00:33:31,305 --> 00:33:33,766
he told me
that he was protected under HIPAA.

475
00:33:34,267 --> 00:33:38,229
He told me that I could be sued
or that Fox 59 could be sued.

476
00:33:40,023 --> 00:33:43,067
He made it very clear
that I needed to be careful.

477
00:33:44,193 --> 00:33:46,529
So, that's when Cline called me.

478
00:33:47,530 --> 00:33:48,906
I was in shock.

479
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:50,867
I don't know what it was in me.

480
00:33:51,659 --> 00:33:54,620
He called my home phone,
and I recorded that conversation.

481
00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:56,873
-Jacoba?
-Yes.

482
00:33:57,874 --> 00:33:59,625
Uh, this is Dr. Cline.

483
00:34:00,251 --> 00:34:03,337
Uh, do you have time
to talk with me just a little bit?

484
00:34:03,421 --> 00:34:05,298
-Yes.
-Okay.

485
00:34:05,798 --> 00:34:10,928
Um, I'm getting, uh,
a real problem with, um,

486
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,808
uh, the television station, um, 59.

487
00:34:15,892 --> 00:34:16,934
Mm-hmm.

488
00:34:17,018 --> 00:34:22,356
Um, they are demanding,
um, that I meet with them.

489
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:25,443
Uh, I can't do that.

490
00:34:25,526 --> 00:34:29,030
Uh, it's not fair to me.
It's not fair to you all.

491
00:34:30,198 --> 00:34:32,742
Uh, they're… they're trying to make a, um…

492
00:34:34,327 --> 00:34:36,329
Oh…

493
00:34:36,412 --> 00:34:39,624
They're… they're trying to, um…

494
00:34:41,709 --> 00:34:43,586
improve their ratings,

495
00:34:44,504 --> 00:34:50,885
and, um, my wife and I,
after 57 years of marriage…

496
00:34:50,968 --> 00:34:54,180
Um, if… if this comes out,

497
00:34:55,223 --> 00:34:57,850
uh, our marriage will be over.

498
00:34:58,643 --> 00:34:59,602
Um,

499
00:35:00,436 --> 00:35:01,479
can you help?

500
00:35:02,313 --> 00:35:05,650
I mean, no disrespect,

501
00:35:05,733 --> 00:35:09,904
but I feel like what you're telling me
is to keep my life a secret.

502
00:35:09,987 --> 00:35:15,034
That I am not allowed to know who I am…

503
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,538
-Well--
-…when I didn't do anything wrong.

504
00:35:19,330 --> 00:35:22,166
Well, yes, but you know, I didn't--

505
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:25,545
At the time, I didn't feel like
I was doing anything wrong either.

506
00:35:25,628 --> 00:35:29,048
But you-- I feel like I'm
being blamed for this, like it's my fault.

507
00:35:29,132 --> 00:35:30,591
I don't understand.

508
00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:36,305
It's, uh, it's your fault
because I don't care who you tell.

509
00:35:36,389 --> 00:35:37,431
It's just

510
00:35:38,391 --> 00:35:43,187
putting it on television
for the entire world to see.

511
00:35:45,398 --> 00:35:48,943
Well, I… I cannot…
Like I said, I can't control her.

512
00:35:49,026 --> 00:35:51,445
I can't stop that. I can't.

513
00:35:52,113 --> 00:35:55,950
Well, because you… you…
you can stop talking to her and say,

514
00:35:56,033 --> 00:35:58,786
"You know,
I… I just don't want to share anymore."

515
00:36:00,288 --> 00:36:02,248
I'm just telling you what's gonna happen,

516
00:36:02,331 --> 00:36:04,876
and I'm going to be hurt badly.

517
00:36:04,959 --> 00:36:08,754
Well, that's
what's happened to everybody so far,

518
00:36:09,255 --> 00:36:13,176
and you know,
that… that's because of the actions--

519
00:36:13,259 --> 00:36:15,928
This tells me that
that's exactly what you want.

520
00:36:24,187 --> 00:36:27,481
When you push me,
I'm gonna push back 100 times more.

521
00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:29,817
So when he called me, it's like,

522
00:36:30,526 --> 00:36:31,652
"Bring it on."

523
00:36:33,696 --> 00:36:36,616
"Bring it on
because I'm ready to fight you."

524
00:36:37,116 --> 00:36:39,827
♪ When I go, don't cry for me ♪

525
00:36:39,911 --> 00:36:42,538
♪ In my Father's arms, I'll be ♪

526
00:36:42,622 --> 00:36:46,375
I contacted
the Attorney General's office again

527
00:36:46,459 --> 00:36:49,545
to get a status on this complaint,

528
00:36:49,629 --> 00:36:52,298
and nobody was returning my calls.

529
00:36:52,381 --> 00:36:55,509
♪ Sun and moon will be replaced ♪

530
00:36:55,593 --> 00:36:57,094
♪ With the light of… ♪

531
00:36:57,178 --> 00:36:59,764
So I decided
to investigate him myself.

532
00:37:00,932 --> 00:37:03,351
♪ And I will not be ashamed ♪

533
00:37:03,434 --> 00:37:05,603
♪ For my Savior knows my name ♪

534
00:37:05,686 --> 00:37:08,522
I started researching
everything about him,

535
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,152
from papers written, to articles,

536
00:37:13,236 --> 00:37:18,366
to conferences he had attended, to blogs.

537
00:37:18,449 --> 00:37:22,954
♪ It don't matter anywhere I lay ♪

538
00:37:23,037 --> 00:37:24,872
It was so much research.

539
00:37:24,956 --> 00:37:27,124
♪ All my tears be washed away ♪

540
00:37:28,084 --> 00:37:30,169
I had just papers everywhere

541
00:37:30,253 --> 00:37:33,547
to prove that I wasn't some crazy maniac.

542
00:37:33,631 --> 00:37:35,633
♪ All my tears be washed away ♪

543
00:37:35,716 --> 00:37:37,551
He wanted me to keep quiet.

544
00:37:38,052 --> 00:37:39,553
And he wanted me to keep quiet

545
00:37:39,637 --> 00:37:42,306
because he knew
that there were more siblings.

546
00:37:49,897 --> 00:37:52,858
My husband
gave me a DNA test as a gift,

547
00:37:54,443 --> 00:37:57,738
{\an8}and then I got a message saying,

548
00:37:58,447 --> 00:37:59,824
{\an8}"I think we're related."

549
00:38:03,619 --> 00:38:06,664
When it all hit me, I kind of

550
00:38:07,373 --> 00:38:10,334
just sat and stared
for the rest of the day.

551
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:14,588
And then, for the next couple of weeks,
had a complete identity crisis,

552
00:38:14,672 --> 00:38:16,299
and I couldn't look in the mirror.

553
00:38:16,382 --> 00:38:19,260
I didn't wanna think
about where I got my hair from,

554
00:38:19,343 --> 00:38:20,928
or where I got my eyes from,

555
00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:23,806
because I had always thought
those were from my dad.

556
00:38:25,266 --> 00:38:29,061
There was never any reason
that I would have questioned anything.

557
00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:31,355
My parents trusted their doctor,

558
00:38:31,439 --> 00:38:34,233
who said that it would be
better for me to not know,

559
00:38:34,775 --> 00:38:36,402
and that I would never find out.

560
00:38:39,989 --> 00:38:42,575
Every time
that a new sibling pops up,

561
00:38:43,451 --> 00:38:46,454
I know that I'm going to call them,

562
00:38:46,537 --> 00:38:50,416
and I know
that, um, I'm going to ruin their life.

563
00:38:52,501 --> 00:38:56,380
{\an8}It's hard because we know
what we went through.

564
00:38:56,464 --> 00:39:00,051
{\an8}And we're making someone else
go through this exact same thing.

565
00:39:03,637 --> 00:39:07,600
The first people who reached out
to me were Julie and Jacoba.

566
00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:12,646
I messaged them back and said,
"I need some time to process."

567
00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:14,231
"I'll reach back out later."

568
00:39:14,315 --> 00:39:16,734
Um, and so
it was probably a couple of months

569
00:39:16,817 --> 00:39:19,820
before I, um, actually reached out

570
00:39:19,904 --> 00:39:22,531
to… to have a conversation with anyone.

571
00:39:22,615 --> 00:39:23,866
Um,

572
00:39:24,825 --> 00:39:26,410
your world is changing.

573
00:39:30,748 --> 00:39:33,209
When you have
new siblings pop up,

574
00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:36,045
you are on the phone with them for hours

575
00:39:36,128 --> 00:39:39,340
because it's the worst day of their life.

576
00:39:41,926 --> 00:39:44,345
You've lived that over and over and over.

577
00:39:54,021 --> 00:39:56,941
I asked
for a DNA test for Christmas,

578
00:39:57,608 --> 00:39:59,568
{\an8}and I was really confused

579
00:39:59,652 --> 00:40:02,238
{\an8}'cause all of these random names to me

580
00:40:02,321 --> 00:40:05,658
{\an8}were popping up,
and it said, "Close Family."

581
00:40:06,283 --> 00:40:08,661
And so I really did not know
what "Close Family" meant.

582
00:40:08,744 --> 00:40:11,330
It did… did not even--
I did not even think,

583
00:40:11,414 --> 00:40:13,833
"Oh, brother or sister,"
I didn't even think, "Cousin."

584
00:40:13,958 --> 00:40:16,168
I got a message
that a new sibling popped up,

585
00:40:16,252 --> 00:40:19,422
and I logged in,
and it said, you know, "Lisa,"

586
00:40:19,505 --> 00:40:22,925
and her last name,
and I was like, "Huh, I know her."

587
00:40:23,426 --> 00:40:26,512
Her husband taught
my daughter on the softball team.

588
00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:30,766
Um, my daughter and her daughter
played basketball together.

589
00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:32,143
I sent her a message, and I said,

590
00:40:32,226 --> 00:40:34,854
"Hey, did you happen
to do an Ancestry test?"

591
00:40:34,937 --> 00:40:37,773
She said, "Well, do you know
about the Dr. Cline story?"

592
00:40:37,857 --> 00:40:39,525
And she said, "He's our father."

593
00:40:40,401 --> 00:40:43,904
And I honestly, I started laughing.

594
00:40:43,988 --> 00:40:48,367
I… I was… thought Julie was kind of crazy.
I was like, "What are you talking about?"

595
00:40:48,451 --> 00:40:51,036
"There… there's no way he can be my dad."

596
00:40:52,246 --> 00:40:53,956
And then I called my mom.

597
00:40:54,665 --> 00:41:00,004
I said, "Hey, Mom, did you and Dad
ever have any issues conceiving me?"

598
00:41:00,087 --> 00:41:02,715
She said, "Well, I didn't,
but yeah, your dad did."

599
00:41:03,632 --> 00:41:06,427
And so my heart dropped a little bit.

600
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:09,221
And she said,
"He actually had a low sperm count,

601
00:41:09,305 --> 00:41:12,641
and his doctor recommended us
to a specialist."

602
00:41:13,142 --> 00:41:15,936
I said, "Mom,
was this specialist in Indianapolis?"

603
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:17,605
And she said, "Yeah, why?"

604
00:41:17,688 --> 00:41:19,982
And I said, "Was it Dr. Donald Cline?"

605
00:41:20,065 --> 00:41:21,525
And she said, "Yes."

606
00:41:24,236 --> 00:41:25,321
She said,

607
00:41:25,404 --> 00:41:27,990
"I went and had the procedure done twice,

608
00:41:28,073 --> 00:41:32,495
but both times your father
was there with me and provided a sample."

609
00:41:34,705 --> 00:41:39,543
And so, at that point,
I realized my mom and dad had no idea.

610
00:41:40,127 --> 00:41:43,881
They thought all along
that I was my dad's.

611
00:41:49,803 --> 00:41:51,096
I worry for my kids,

612
00:41:52,097 --> 00:41:55,392
especially I have siblings
that live in the same town as me,

613
00:41:55,476 --> 00:41:56,852
and our kids go to school together.

614
00:41:56,936 --> 00:42:00,523
And so, I've had to have the talk
with my daughter about,

615
00:42:01,357 --> 00:42:04,276
"You've got to be careful
when you start dating."

616
00:42:04,777 --> 00:42:08,656
"We got to be aware
of who this person is,"

617
00:42:08,739 --> 00:42:11,158
but it's definitely a huge concern.

618
00:42:13,536 --> 00:42:15,955
When we get a new sibling alert,

619
00:42:16,747 --> 00:42:20,209
you're praying,
"Please don't let it be somebody I know."

620
00:42:20,292 --> 00:42:22,586
Or "Please don't let it be
somebody I dated."

621
00:42:23,462 --> 00:42:25,589
And I'm sure it's bound to happen.

622
00:42:31,929 --> 00:42:36,308
The majority of us live in,
like, a 25-mile radius of each other.

623
00:42:36,934 --> 00:42:40,354
There's also quite a few
that live within minutes of Cline.

624
00:42:50,406 --> 00:42:52,157
I walk around,

625
00:42:53,117 --> 00:42:55,452
and I could be related to anyone.

626
00:42:57,538 --> 00:43:02,042
I mean, it's just common for me
to pass people on the street,

627
00:43:02,126 --> 00:43:04,670
um, at work, wherever I may be,

628
00:43:04,753 --> 00:43:07,381
and, I mean, I'll look at them and think,

629
00:43:07,464 --> 00:43:10,426
"Oh, the way you stand, the way you look."

630
00:43:11,635 --> 00:43:12,970
"You could be related to me."

631
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:21,228
We live in this small community.

632
00:43:23,522 --> 00:43:25,441
Everyone that you interact with

633
00:43:25,524 --> 00:43:27,985
appears to have
some sort of connection to Cline.

634
00:43:29,194 --> 00:43:31,989
My dentist across the street
was a patient of his.

635
00:43:32,615 --> 00:43:37,828
My next-door neighbor
was the nurse to one of my half-siblings,

636
00:43:37,911 --> 00:43:40,164
and then there's this connection,

637
00:43:40,247 --> 00:43:41,707
or there's that connection.

638
00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:44,585
"Oh, my mom saw them at the nail salon."

639
00:43:55,804 --> 00:43:59,642
I think without a doubt,
there are probably people that I've met

640
00:43:59,725 --> 00:44:03,270
that are my half-sibling,
and I just don't even know it.

641
00:44:03,354 --> 00:44:04,772
They don't even know it.

642
00:44:28,754 --> 00:44:30,964
Who knows
how many siblings we have?

643
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,182
I had emailed Dr. Cline
and told him,

644
00:44:40,265 --> 00:44:42,893
"We're moving forward with the story.
We would be using his name."

645
00:44:42,976 --> 00:44:47,940
You know, "This is the time
for you to come clean to the public."

646
00:44:48,941 --> 00:44:52,111
So, finally, he said, "If there's no audio
and no video, I will meet with you."

647
00:44:53,112 --> 00:44:55,322
I asked him if he wanted
to come to FOX 59.

648
00:44:55,406 --> 00:44:56,824
He said no. I said,

649
00:44:56,907 --> 00:44:59,493
"There's a restaurant
close to the TV station."

650
00:44:59,576 --> 00:45:01,245
And I wanted to be close to the TV station

651
00:45:01,328 --> 00:45:03,122
because I wanted
to make sure for my safety.

652
00:45:03,205 --> 00:45:05,791
I wanted it to be someplace
that I felt safe.

653
00:45:06,709 --> 00:45:10,713
My boss at that time wanted me
to take our security guard with us

654
00:45:10,796 --> 00:45:13,215
because she feared for my safety.

655
00:45:13,298 --> 00:45:16,218
We knew that Dr. Cline
did not want to, quote, "be outed,"

656
00:45:16,301 --> 00:45:20,097
and Jacoba told me that he carried a gun.

657
00:45:20,597 --> 00:45:22,266
We thought that he was desperate.

658
00:45:24,935 --> 00:45:29,231
She is, um, uh,
demanding I meet with… with them.

659
00:45:31,483 --> 00:45:33,986
They're going to force me to do this.

660
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:36,321
-Mm-hmm.
-I've gotta tell the truth.

661
00:45:36,405 --> 00:45:39,199
-Mm-hmm. Well--
-And I don't want to do that.

662
00:45:40,033 --> 00:45:41,702
I was very nervous,

663
00:45:41,785 --> 00:45:44,872
and when he came in,
it was within minutes he's asking me

664
00:45:44,955 --> 00:45:47,291
if guns are allowed in the restaurant.

665
00:45:47,374 --> 00:45:49,835
And I'm thinking,
"What a weird thing to say to me."

666
00:45:49,918 --> 00:45:53,422
Then I'm looking down, and it looks like
he has a gun underneath his sweater.

667
00:45:53,505 --> 00:45:56,008
There's something bulging
on the side, and I'm thinking,

668
00:45:56,592 --> 00:45:59,386
"I don't wanna be crazy,
but is there any chance

669
00:45:59,887 --> 00:46:01,597
that he could pull out a gun
and shoot me?"

670
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,223
I honestly thought that.

671
00:46:06,977 --> 00:46:09,563
One of the first things
he said in our conversation

672
00:46:09,646 --> 00:46:11,231
was that he knew where I lived,

673
00:46:11,315 --> 00:46:12,900
and he knew where I was from.

674
00:46:12,983 --> 00:46:15,360
Remember, this was
after he had said before,

675
00:46:16,236 --> 00:46:17,279
"Be careful."

676
00:46:18,614 --> 00:46:20,449
The meeting was about an hour long,

677
00:46:20,532 --> 00:46:23,410
and I feel like he was begging me

678
00:46:24,203 --> 00:46:26,205
to not air the story.

679
00:46:26,997 --> 00:46:28,665
He said, "It will ruin my marriage."

680
00:46:29,541 --> 00:46:32,377
"It will hurt my church.
I'm an elder at the church."

681
00:46:33,378 --> 00:46:37,716
I let him know that we have
that burden to tell the truth,

682
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,052
and the truth matters.

683
00:46:46,809 --> 00:46:50,854
So that's when, like,
the whole whirlwind just started with him,

684
00:46:50,938 --> 00:46:54,191
and strange things started happening.

685
00:46:57,486 --> 00:46:59,071
I had woke up one day,

686
00:46:59,571 --> 00:47:03,033
and all of the lug nuts
were missing off of my car.

687
00:47:04,284 --> 00:47:06,328
And I'm talking all four tires.

688
00:47:14,086 --> 00:47:15,254
And that's scary.

689
00:47:16,672 --> 00:47:18,465
So, yeah.

690
00:47:20,133 --> 00:47:21,051
Um…

691
00:47:21,677 --> 00:47:24,596
And you can't tell me
that that's like some freak…

692
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:26,265
Yeah.

693
00:47:30,227 --> 00:47:31,228
I was hacked.

694
00:47:31,728 --> 00:47:36,233
Everything that I had saved
to a Google Drive

695
00:47:36,316 --> 00:47:40,445
of publications of Cline was just erased,

696
00:47:40,988 --> 00:47:45,993
and every single email
regarding him was gone.

697
00:47:49,162 --> 00:47:51,498
Soon after I went public,

698
00:47:51,582 --> 00:47:53,959
I started getting harassing phone calls,

699
00:47:54,042 --> 00:47:56,086
like the cemetery

700
00:47:56,169 --> 00:47:58,255
asking if I wanted to buy a plot

701
00:47:58,839 --> 00:48:00,215
for me to be buried in.

702
00:48:02,801 --> 00:48:05,304
I think it was to rattle me.

703
00:48:05,387 --> 00:48:06,513
Um…

704
00:48:08,765 --> 00:48:12,019
to… to re-traumatize me
so that I would be quiet.

705
00:48:12,769 --> 00:48:18,275
I don't think he wanted, um, any of us
to talk publicly if he could help it.

706
00:48:20,861 --> 00:48:24,072
In my gut, I feel
like we're being harassed and stalked

707
00:48:24,156 --> 00:48:25,949
to get us to shut up,

708
00:48:26,033 --> 00:48:29,202
especially when Cline called
and threatened me over the phone.

709
00:48:31,079 --> 00:48:34,249
What you're doing is
that you're telling the world,

710
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,253
and the world doesn't need to know.

711
00:48:40,923 --> 00:48:43,467
-I--
-I'm not trying to do harm.

712
00:48:44,384 --> 00:48:45,886
Well, you are.

713
00:48:50,098 --> 00:48:51,975
I'm not scared of you.

714
00:48:54,811 --> 00:48:56,229
You can threaten me,

715
00:48:57,356 --> 00:48:59,441
but I will never back down.

716
00:49:02,527 --> 00:49:04,404
I am going to expose you.

717
00:49:09,409 --> 00:49:11,954
And I'm gonna expose
all of your secrets.

718
00:49:19,461 --> 00:49:21,129
I found out that

719
00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:24,007
in 1963…

720
00:49:26,134 --> 00:49:27,552
…he was driving…

721
00:49:35,477 --> 00:49:39,356
…and this little girl
darted out between two cars…

722
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:45,570
…and he hit her.

723
00:49:54,204 --> 00:49:58,125
No!

724
00:50:03,505 --> 00:50:04,923
She ended up dying.

725
00:50:07,884 --> 00:50:11,471
He has told everybody
that's when he changed his life.

726
00:50:13,223 --> 00:50:14,516
That's when he found God.

727
00:50:19,229 --> 00:50:21,231
That traumatized him.

728
00:50:22,065 --> 00:50:25,235
{\an8}After that, he became more religious

729
00:50:25,318 --> 00:50:28,655
{\an8}and, um, churchgoing
than he had been before.

730
00:50:30,282 --> 00:50:32,951
Maybe he thought
that this was his way of giving back,

731
00:50:33,035 --> 00:50:35,245
that he took a life
that really wasn't his fault.

732
00:50:35,328 --> 00:50:37,247
Now, he was going to give back.

733
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:40,959
Maybe that was a psychological process
going through his mind.

734
00:50:41,043 --> 00:50:46,089
But it doesn't really matter
because that should not have been a way

735
00:50:46,173 --> 00:50:48,717
that he was trying…
to try to, uh, make amends

736
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,886
for some terrible accident that happened.

737
00:50:53,638 --> 00:50:56,433
He was very religious,

738
00:50:57,142 --> 00:51:00,896
had very deep roots,

739
00:51:00,979 --> 00:51:04,483
and he and his wife taught
marriage counseling in their church.

740
00:51:04,566 --> 00:51:06,151
They taught Sunday school.

741
00:51:06,777 --> 00:51:10,238
And whenever he was
in the office and all of us were there,

742
00:51:10,322 --> 00:51:14,701
he would sit down, and we would wait,
and he would say a prayer.

743
00:51:16,578 --> 00:51:18,997
He, at some point, asked me

744
00:51:19,831 --> 00:51:21,500
if I was Jewish,

745
00:51:22,084 --> 00:51:24,586
and I said yes.

746
00:51:24,669 --> 00:51:28,632
{\an8}And I said, "And by the way,
I'm very uncomfortable with your office

747
00:51:28,715 --> 00:51:31,093
{\an8}full of all kinds of Christian sayings."

748
00:51:31,176 --> 00:51:34,304
{\an8}Things like,
"If you want to get into heaven,

749
00:51:34,888 --> 00:51:36,348
{\an8}you need to be Christian."

750
00:51:46,066 --> 00:51:47,943
{\an8}Yeah. I knew… I knew Donald Cline.

751
00:51:51,279 --> 00:51:53,824
The church is set up
where they have an eldership.

752
00:51:53,907 --> 00:51:57,160
So they have seven or eight men

753
00:51:57,244 --> 00:52:01,081
that governed the church body
as far as what was taught,

754
00:52:01,581 --> 00:52:04,584
and he was one of those elders.

755
00:52:06,837 --> 00:52:11,550
We would go over
to his house for baptisms.

756
00:52:13,009 --> 00:52:17,848
Literally, 50 to 100 people
would attend baptisms

757
00:52:17,931 --> 00:52:20,142
right there in their…
at their swimming pool.

758
00:52:23,103 --> 00:52:25,355
That's where
we really got to know them.

759
00:52:26,106 --> 00:52:28,233
From a Christian perspective,
you have to say,

760
00:52:28,316 --> 00:52:30,443
"Hey, we… we all have
skeletons in our closet."

761
00:52:30,527 --> 00:52:33,655
"We all have done things
that we regret doing."

762
00:52:36,241 --> 00:52:38,910
I know that he and God
have reconciled that.

763
00:52:41,538 --> 00:52:45,083
That he's been forgiven,
and that he has moved on from that,

764
00:52:45,167 --> 00:52:47,169
and he's a different person now.

765
00:52:49,087 --> 00:52:52,340
He portrays himself
as this godly man.

766
00:52:52,966 --> 00:52:54,634
And I know we all make mistakes,

767
00:52:54,718 --> 00:52:57,554
but I think there's more behind this.

768
00:52:57,637 --> 00:52:59,264
What made him

769
00:53:00,098 --> 00:53:03,727
every day wake up
and decide to go into his work,

770
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:06,396
masturbate,

771
00:53:07,355 --> 00:53:11,484
and place it unknowingly
inside women without their consent.

772
00:53:15,822 --> 00:53:17,532
He could've stopped at any point,

773
00:53:17,616 --> 00:53:21,411
but he kept doing it
over and over and over and over.

774
00:53:37,260 --> 00:53:41,181
Growing up, I kind of knew
that something was off.

775
00:53:41,264 --> 00:53:42,724
Something was different.

776
00:53:48,063 --> 00:53:50,982
You know,
why do I got blond hair, blue eyes?

777
00:53:53,235 --> 00:53:55,987
Everyone in my family
has dark eyes and dark hair.

778
00:53:58,907 --> 00:54:03,495
So, I got an Ancestry kit
just to figure out where I came from.

779
00:54:05,872 --> 00:54:08,792
When Ancestry results
came through, my coworker said,

780
00:54:08,875 --> 00:54:13,213
{\an8}"Well, you'll have
11, 15 hits on Ancestry."

781
00:54:13,296 --> 00:54:14,339
{\an8}

782
00:54:14,422 --> 00:54:18,134
{\an8}Well, when I opened up mine,
I had over 3,000 hits.

783
00:54:22,055 --> 00:54:24,975
And then immediately after that,

784
00:54:25,558 --> 00:54:26,559
Jacoba called me.

785
00:54:27,227 --> 00:54:28,395
"I'm your sister."

786
00:54:29,729 --> 00:54:31,314
And she told me the truth.

787
00:54:32,983 --> 00:54:37,445
I don't even know how to tell you
the emotions that came over my head.

788
00:54:39,281 --> 00:54:42,534
Took me to an incredibly dark place.

789
00:54:44,494 --> 00:54:45,537
Why?

790
00:54:46,204 --> 00:54:48,206
Why feel the need to do this?

791
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:50,709
Is it to… to further your career?

792
00:54:53,086 --> 00:54:55,463
Is it to be the best of the best?

793
00:54:55,547 --> 00:54:57,465
Is this to create life?

794
00:54:57,549 --> 00:55:00,510
Is this some sort of sexual thing?

795
00:55:01,011 --> 00:55:02,637
Like, I don't know.

796
00:55:03,305 --> 00:55:06,308
I feel like he's hiding
something more sinister.

797
00:55:14,607 --> 00:55:17,694
Jason, we talked on the phone
a lot before we got to meet.

798
00:55:17,777 --> 00:55:19,029
Hey, how are you?

799
00:55:21,698 --> 00:55:22,699
This is crazy.

800
00:55:22,782 --> 00:55:23,825
I know!

801
00:55:24,492 --> 00:55:26,453
Jason and I are very similar.

802
00:55:26,536 --> 00:55:28,913
Like, we can
read through people's bullshit.

803
00:55:30,707 --> 00:55:32,208
When someone isn't religious,

804
00:55:32,292 --> 00:55:35,670
and you're gonna use
religious verses to justify your actions,

805
00:55:36,254 --> 00:55:37,630
that just makes it even more--

806
00:55:37,714 --> 00:55:39,257
Worse. I would have just laughed at him.

807
00:55:39,341 --> 00:55:42,344
Well, and it makes it even more
of a reasoning of people saying,

808
00:55:42,427 --> 00:55:45,180
"That right there is why
I would never be religious

809
00:55:45,263 --> 00:55:47,098
because of fuck nuts like you."

810
00:55:47,182 --> 00:55:48,933
And it took all I had in me

811
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:52,979
to talk to him on the phone
that day without going off.

812
00:55:53,063 --> 00:55:55,190
And I thought,
"You've just got to remain calm

813
00:55:55,273 --> 00:55:57,901
because you're recording this,
and try to get as much out."

814
00:55:58,902 --> 00:56:00,028
Let me hear it.

815
00:56:02,655 --> 00:56:05,867
You know, I know
that nothing happens without God,

816
00:56:06,451 --> 00:56:08,411
um, allowing it.

817
00:56:08,912 --> 00:56:10,121
-Um…

818
00:56:10,622 --> 00:56:12,540
See,
I think that's where our problem is.

819
00:56:12,624 --> 00:56:15,126
I don't think that God
should have allowed it in the first place,

820
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:19,089
and I really think that we ask ourselves
every day, "Why are we here?"

821
00:56:20,048 --> 00:56:22,759
I think that's, like,
a lot of our problems.

822
00:56:23,927 --> 00:56:24,761
Yeah.

823
00:56:24,844 --> 00:56:29,933
Well, you know,
I mentioned one of my favorite, um…

824
00:56:31,267 --> 00:56:35,939
One of my favorite scriptures
was Jeremiah- 5.

825
00:56:37,315 --> 00:56:38,858
If you'll remember, it says,

826
00:56:38,942 --> 00:56:42,529
"Before I formed you
in your mother's womb, I knew you."

827
00:56:42,612 --> 00:56:44,614
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

828
00:56:44,697 --> 00:56:45,573
Um,

829
00:56:46,449 --> 00:56:50,620
and… and that tells me,
and it should tell everybody

830
00:56:50,703 --> 00:56:54,916
that no one is born as a mistake.

831
00:56:55,458 --> 00:56:59,003
Before I knew you, in your mother--
What it… What was it? It's--

832
00:56:59,087 --> 00:57:02,340
"Before I formed you in
your mother's womb, I knew you."

833
00:57:02,924 --> 00:57:04,634
Jeremiah- 5.

834
00:57:04,717 --> 00:57:06,678
Which really just kinda…

835
00:57:08,721 --> 00:57:12,350
nails it all home
that he knew what he was doing.

836
00:57:13,601 --> 00:57:15,895
He knew exactly what he was doing with us.

837
00:57:21,484 --> 00:57:23,987
I've just become obsessed with the story

838
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:26,906
and trying to piece everything together.

839
00:57:27,407 --> 00:57:29,993
When I was sent an email

840
00:57:30,076 --> 00:57:32,745
from someone
at the Attorney General's office,

841
00:57:32,829 --> 00:57:36,166
I would go through,
and the person that sent me the email,

842
00:57:36,249 --> 00:57:39,127
and every person
that was copied in on that email,

843
00:57:39,210 --> 00:57:41,296
I would search them on Facebook.

844
00:57:42,088 --> 00:57:44,382
And one of the people with the state

845
00:57:44,466 --> 00:57:47,427
has a "Quiverfull" email address.

846
00:57:48,845 --> 00:57:49,846
That's when it was--

847
00:57:50,346 --> 00:57:53,141
"What is Quiverfull?
Like, what the hell is it?"

848
00:57:56,352 --> 00:57:58,104
God says, "Children are a blessing."

849
00:57:58,188 --> 00:58:00,482
"We should want to have
our quiver full of them…"

850
00:58:01,065 --> 00:58:03,860
Quiverfull.
It's essentially a cult

851
00:58:03,943 --> 00:58:06,988
aimed to having
as many children as possible.

852
00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:10,783
If a man with his wife
has a lot of children,

853
00:58:10,867 --> 00:58:12,911
he will send them out as arrows.

854
00:58:12,994 --> 00:58:16,039
He's like a warrior for God,
and he sends his children out

855
00:58:16,122 --> 00:58:19,667
as arrows into the world,
who will be ambassadors for God.

856
00:58:23,171 --> 00:58:26,257
The children are raised
to actively participate in government,

857
00:58:26,341 --> 00:58:28,218
to actively run for office,

858
00:58:28,301 --> 00:58:31,930
to seek positions of political prominence,

859
00:58:32,013 --> 00:58:36,017
and eventually that the civil law
will actually be the Bible.

860
00:58:36,684 --> 00:58:39,771
Lo and behold, Jeremiah- 5,

861
00:58:39,854 --> 00:58:41,981
the verse that he kept using

862
00:58:42,065 --> 00:58:44,484
is one of the Bible verses

863
00:58:45,318 --> 00:58:47,195
that Quiverfull uses.

864
00:58:49,489 --> 00:58:53,117
Basically, for them,
women are just-- You… you breed.

865
00:58:54,661 --> 00:58:57,789
Was Cline in this Quiverfull movement?

866
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:06,256
Were all of us part
of some sick, twisted, secret society?

867
00:59:08,758 --> 00:59:11,594
There's so many theories
that I've thought of in my head.

868
00:59:14,806 --> 00:59:17,559
I think the philosophies

869
00:59:17,642 --> 00:59:21,604
or the beliefs of the Quiverfull movement
seem so outrageous to me

870
00:59:21,688 --> 00:59:24,607
that it's hard for me
to actually believe that it's real.

871
00:59:24,691 --> 00:59:27,569
I agree with that
and that we could even be a part of it.

872
00:59:27,652 --> 00:59:28,486
Mm-hmm.

873
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:29,529
Yeah.

874
00:59:30,613 --> 00:59:34,242
With the Quiverfull theory,
back when we were all conceived,

875
00:59:34,325 --> 00:59:37,996
that theory was
to produce more of the white race

876
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:42,750
because they were in fear
that other races were infiltrating that

877
00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:45,336
and the white race
would eventually disappear.

878
00:59:45,837 --> 00:59:46,671
I mean,

879
00:59:47,672 --> 00:59:50,133
when you look at that wall of babies,

880
00:59:50,216 --> 00:59:53,219
it is all Caucasian babies.

881
00:59:56,973 --> 01:00:00,893
It's crazy because every time
we get a DNA match,

882
01:00:01,477 --> 01:00:04,147
it's like, "Yep.
Looks like one of the Cline boys,"

883
01:00:05,189 --> 01:00:06,774
or "Looks like a Cline girl."

884
01:00:08,568 --> 01:00:10,528
Most of us have blond hair

885
01:00:11,029 --> 01:00:12,864
and blue eyes.

886
01:00:15,033 --> 01:00:18,620
I hate to say this
'cause it sounds so-- But it's almost like

887
01:00:19,454 --> 01:00:23,916
we're like this perfect Aryan clan,

888
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,837
and… it's disgusting.

889
01:00:28,504 --> 01:00:31,466
It's sad that we have
to have conspiracy theories

890
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:33,468
to understand why he did this.

891
01:00:33,551 --> 01:00:35,511
If he would just tell us,

892
01:00:35,595 --> 01:00:37,388
then we wouldn't have to go through

893
01:00:37,472 --> 01:00:39,599
of trying to find
all these different reasons…

894
01:00:39,682 --> 01:00:41,476
Life would be easier for him if he did.

895
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:43,144
It would help all of us heal too.

896
01:00:43,227 --> 01:00:45,438
But you're not gonna
get that from somebody

897
01:00:45,521 --> 01:00:49,359
that does not have
compassion or any empathy.

898
01:00:49,442 --> 01:00:52,862
It's disgusting to sit there
and lay in bed at night,

899
01:00:52,945 --> 01:00:56,491
and wonder if the person that created you

900
01:00:57,408 --> 01:00:59,202
is some racist bigot,

901
01:01:00,787 --> 01:01:03,373
and he used my mom as a pawn.

902
01:01:04,540 --> 01:01:07,543
And he did it
over and over and over again.

903
01:01:08,378 --> 01:01:10,380
Ugh.

904
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:13,925
Ugh!

905
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:18,554
I didn't ask to be born.

906
01:01:18,638 --> 01:01:21,182
I didn't ask to be born
into this situation.

907
01:01:23,101 --> 01:01:24,477
But this is my life.

908
01:01:25,019 --> 01:01:26,771
But it's not your fault.

909
01:01:26,854 --> 01:01:31,109
No, it's not, but then you have this man
who shares half of my DNA.

910
01:01:32,151 --> 01:01:33,361
Our DNA.

911
01:01:36,447 --> 01:01:38,700
There's just
so many theories, and I…

912
01:01:39,492 --> 01:01:42,328
I don't think we'll ever know
why he was doing it,

913
01:01:43,454 --> 01:01:44,288
but

914
01:01:45,748 --> 01:01:49,293
I want him to have to pay for it.
I want an investigation.

915
01:01:51,254 --> 01:01:52,463
I want him punished.

916
01:02:00,096 --> 01:02:03,224
The Attorney General's
office didn't give a shit.

917
01:02:04,392 --> 01:02:07,186
We were told that
they couldn't give us any information

918
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:08,896
and we weren't allowed to know.

919
01:02:10,022 --> 01:02:13,192
And we just kind of got disregarded.

920
01:02:13,693 --> 01:02:16,821
The one person that we had
was Angela Ganote,

921
01:02:16,904 --> 01:02:20,158
calling and asking them,
"What are you going to do?"

922
01:02:23,202 --> 01:02:26,581
I had started back in 2015,

923
01:02:27,331 --> 01:02:30,460
asking the Attorney General
for an interview,

924
01:02:31,627 --> 01:02:36,048
asking anything that I could know about
this, and they would tell me nothing.

925
01:02:37,383 --> 01:02:40,344
And then I also reached out
to the Marion County prosecutor

926
01:02:40,428 --> 01:02:42,346
and said, "Is anyone listening?"

927
01:02:43,097 --> 01:02:44,390
Finally, the spokesperson

928
01:02:44,474 --> 01:02:46,893
from the Marion County
prosecutor's office said,

929
01:02:46,976 --> 01:02:49,479
"Angela, I'm sorry.
I don't-- Somehow I missed it."

930
01:02:49,979 --> 01:02:54,734
I laid out a long paragraph
of the whole story and what had happened.

931
01:02:54,817 --> 01:02:57,737
I had even sent our story
that had aired and said,

932
01:02:57,820 --> 01:02:59,489
"Did you watch our story?

933
01:02:59,572 --> 01:03:02,241
I've been asking these questions
for more than a year,

934
01:03:02,325 --> 01:03:03,409
and I'm getting nowhere."

935
01:03:03,993 --> 01:03:07,663
"And I feel like it's time that
the prosecutor, or the Attorney General,

936
01:03:07,747 --> 01:03:11,000
or somebody sits down
and answers the questions that I have."

937
01:03:12,293 --> 01:03:14,754
{\an8}When we got the media inquiry,

938
01:03:14,837 --> 01:03:19,926
{\an8}there hadn't been
any true investigation done anywhere yet.

939
01:03:20,009 --> 01:03:21,511
But at the end of the day,

940
01:03:21,594 --> 01:03:24,430
there's just no crime that touches

941
01:03:24,514 --> 01:03:26,098
this particular act.

942
01:03:27,099 --> 01:03:28,059
That's our problem.

943
01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:34,065
So I remember we were sitting there,

944
01:03:34,816 --> 01:03:38,319
and, um, you know, we're asking him,

945
01:03:38,402 --> 01:03:40,112
"How is this not rape?"

946
01:03:40,196 --> 01:03:42,365
I don't deny
that it was a sexual violation.

947
01:03:42,448 --> 01:03:45,243
But legally, it isn't a sexual violation.

948
01:03:45,827 --> 01:03:48,830
"I feel like my mother was raped"

949
01:03:48,913 --> 01:03:52,542
is a valid human emotional statement.

950
01:03:53,584 --> 01:03:57,129
But…"Dr. Cline committed rape"

951
01:03:57,213 --> 01:04:01,050
is a legal assertion that was not true,

952
01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:03,594
and I wasn't gonna put it on paper

953
01:04:03,678 --> 01:04:04,971
with my signature.

954
01:04:05,054 --> 01:04:07,181
And I said, "What about battery?"

955
01:04:07,265 --> 01:04:10,184
And… …he got rude with me.

956
01:04:10,268 --> 01:04:14,188
He said, "I don't know how many times
I'm gonna have to tell you this."

957
01:04:15,106 --> 01:04:18,192
"I can't charge him with battery.
It wasn't battery."

958
01:04:18,276 --> 01:04:20,403
I, uh, was so pissed.

959
01:04:20,486 --> 01:04:22,405
I looked at Tim Delaney, and I said,

960
01:04:22,488 --> 01:04:25,074
"So if I spit in your face right now,

961
01:04:25,157 --> 01:04:26,325
it's not battery?"

962
01:04:26,951 --> 01:04:30,288
And he said, "It is,
because you'd be spitting on me."

963
01:04:32,748 --> 01:04:34,584
And I'm like, "What the fuck?"

964
01:04:34,667 --> 01:04:37,795
"So a doctor can go jack off

965
01:04:37,879 --> 01:04:41,382
and put their sperm in a woman

966
01:04:41,465 --> 01:04:44,677
who's their patient that did not consent

967
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,554
to have their doctor do that,

968
01:04:47,847 --> 01:04:50,474
but yet, you're gonna tell me
that if I spit in your face,

969
01:04:50,558 --> 01:04:52,852
I'd be arrested and charged with battery?"

970
01:04:52,935 --> 01:04:56,981
Jacoba and a lot of the individuals
touched by this were very emotional,

971
01:04:57,064 --> 01:05:02,320
and had, um, a feeling
that what I was there to do,

972
01:05:02,904 --> 01:05:05,281
wasn't to apply the law

973
01:05:05,865 --> 01:05:08,868
to determine whether or not
Dr. Cline had committed a crime.

974
01:05:09,452 --> 01:05:12,288
They thought I was there
to deliver catharsis.

975
01:05:12,788 --> 01:05:13,748
And I wasn't.

976
01:05:22,590 --> 01:05:24,425
There's unequal application of the law.

977
01:05:24,508 --> 01:05:26,802
It happens every day,
it happens all over the United States,

978
01:05:26,886 --> 01:05:28,095
and it happens here in Indiana.

979
01:05:29,305 --> 01:05:30,723
Was there fraud?

980
01:05:30,806 --> 01:05:32,516
Was there something else?

981
01:05:34,310 --> 01:05:37,229
I just didn't feel like
it was investigated enough

982
01:05:37,313 --> 01:05:40,191
to look at
what could he have been charged with.

983
01:05:40,274 --> 01:05:43,361
There was never
a good explanation in my mind.

984
01:05:44,654 --> 01:05:46,989
I had a copy
of the Indiana sexual assault law,

985
01:05:47,573 --> 01:05:52,036
{\an8}and I said, "Surely, there's somewhere
in this law that you can say--"

986
01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:55,122
{\an8}He says, "No, it has to have
both components. It has to have force

987
01:05:55,915 --> 01:05:57,416
{\an8}and non-consent."

988
01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:59,085
{\an8}When you talk about rape,

989
01:05:59,168 --> 01:06:01,754
{\an8}there is a provision
in Indiana law that says,

990
01:06:01,837 --> 01:06:03,631
{\an8}"Rape can include conduct

991
01:06:03,714 --> 01:06:07,802
which a victim does not know is sexual,
but the perpetrator knows is sexual."

992
01:06:07,885 --> 01:06:09,845
And that, I think,
is actually the closest charge,

993
01:06:10,638 --> 01:06:13,349
{\an8}because in order for him
to produce this sperm sample,

994
01:06:13,432 --> 01:06:15,810
{\an8}he had to masturbate
in very close proximity

995
01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:18,062
{\an8}to the office where a patient was waiting,

996
01:06:18,145 --> 01:06:19,730
{\an8}unclothed from the waist down,

997
01:06:19,814 --> 01:06:22,525
{\an8}with a paper cloth covering her knees,

998
01:06:22,608 --> 01:06:24,235
{\an8}and knees spread apart.

999
01:06:25,736 --> 01:06:27,196
Who's to say when this touch

1000
01:06:27,279 --> 01:06:29,991
stops becoming sexual
and starts becoming clinical?

1001
01:06:30,908 --> 01:06:34,286
I think even if he's not thinking
of the patient in a sexual sense,

1002
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:37,707
the very fact that he's still
under the effects of physical arousal

1003
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:39,667
makes this a sexual touching.

1004
01:06:40,167 --> 01:06:43,921
Even if he's thinking of his wife
or a pink fuzzy bunny rabbit,

1005
01:06:44,005 --> 01:06:45,840
it is still a sexual act.

1006
01:06:47,550 --> 01:06:50,386
But I also think
we have to see Tim Delaney

1007
01:06:50,469 --> 01:06:52,555
in the context
in which this case was brought.

1008
01:06:52,638 --> 01:06:55,016
And so when I interviewed Tim Delaney,

1009
01:06:55,099 --> 01:06:57,351
he said that Indiana juries

1010
01:06:57,435 --> 01:07:00,730
were not willing to buy
rape-by-deception theories.

1011
01:07:01,313 --> 01:07:04,942
The jury is going to say,
"This woman consented to insemination."

1012
01:07:05,026 --> 01:07:08,195
"This woman wanted a child."
And the question is always out there,

1013
01:07:08,279 --> 01:07:12,324
"Does this woman's desire for a child
legitimate Donald Cline's deception?"

1014
01:07:12,408 --> 01:07:14,702
And unfortunately, that is a question

1015
01:07:14,785 --> 01:07:19,081
that Tim Delaney had to weigh
would enter into the minds of jurors.

1016
01:07:20,249 --> 01:07:23,669
If he asked me
if it'd be okay for him to be the donor,

1017
01:07:23,753 --> 01:07:26,464
{\an8}I would have not said yes.

1018
01:07:26,547 --> 01:07:27,715
{\an8}I would say no.

1019
01:07:29,884 --> 01:07:33,804
{\an8}It was a violation of him into me.

1020
01:07:35,598 --> 01:07:39,101
The issue for me is there was no consent.

1021
01:07:41,062 --> 01:07:42,688
He didn't give me a choice.

1022
01:07:45,858 --> 01:07:48,194
The Attorney General's office
had at least

1023
01:07:48,277 --> 01:07:50,738
reached out to Dr. Cline at some point

1024
01:07:50,821 --> 01:07:53,407
and asked him if he…
if he had used his sperm,

1025
01:07:53,491 --> 01:07:56,660
or had asked some sort of question
because Dr. Cline told me that.

1026
01:07:56,744 --> 01:07:59,330
He told me that he filled it out,

1027
01:07:59,413 --> 01:08:01,707
and that he denied anything,
that he wasn't the father.

1028
01:08:01,791 --> 01:08:04,251
I don't know what's in that letter
'cause I've never seen it,

1029
01:08:04,335 --> 01:08:05,878
but I know what our conversation was.

1030
01:08:05,961 --> 01:08:09,965
Dr. Cline told me that he talked
with the Attorney General's office

1031
01:08:10,049 --> 01:08:11,509
through paperwork,

1032
01:08:12,093 --> 01:08:15,346
and that… he was not the father.

1033
01:08:17,264 --> 01:08:19,892
That was really what ended up
getting him in trouble,

1034
01:08:19,975 --> 01:08:22,686
because he lied to me, and I knew it,

1035
01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:25,648
and he lied on the paperwork
to the Attorney General's office.

1036
01:08:25,731 --> 01:08:28,275
So at one point,
I reached out to the Attorney General,

1037
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,236
and say, "You know he's lying to you."

1038
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,782
{\an8}He lied and said
that he never used his sperm

1039
01:08:34,865 --> 01:08:36,909
{\an8}to inseminate his patients.

1040
01:08:38,244 --> 01:08:41,288
Only after we determined
that the Attorney General's office

1041
01:08:41,372 --> 01:08:42,832
had sent those letters

1042
01:08:42,915 --> 01:08:46,001
were we able to come up
with a theory for how to proceed.

1043
01:08:46,627 --> 01:08:48,671
We wanted to nail him with something,

1044
01:08:48,754 --> 01:08:50,923
and the fact that
we finally got something,

1045
01:08:51,006 --> 01:08:52,508
it was like a "hurrah" moment.

1046
01:08:53,008 --> 01:08:54,510
And not only that,

1047
01:08:54,593 --> 01:08:57,221
he also added that he was going to sue me

1048
01:08:57,304 --> 01:08:58,973
for libel and slander.

1049
01:08:59,056 --> 01:09:00,850
{\an8}

1050
01:09:00,933 --> 01:09:02,935
Denying is obstruction of justice,

1051
01:09:03,018 --> 01:09:06,772
but denying and threatening,
and, to paraphrase, saying,

1052
01:09:06,856 --> 01:09:09,275
"Do you know who I am?"
was more than enough.

1053
01:09:09,817 --> 01:09:12,611
It was like, "Eureka!" The, you know…
The bathwater started spilling out.

1054
01:09:12,695 --> 01:09:14,864
I said, "Oh my God, we've got an angle."

1055
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:37,261
After we began the investigation,

1056
01:09:37,887 --> 01:09:41,182
obviously the first step
was to get DNA from Dr. Cline.

1057
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,731
He was sick.

1058
01:09:49,315 --> 01:09:50,900
He had pneumonia, I believe.

1059
01:09:50,983 --> 01:09:52,860
So he said, "Don't come too close."

1060
01:09:54,028 --> 01:09:56,655
And we said,
"We have a search warrant for your DNA."

1061
01:09:57,740 --> 01:10:00,284
He asked a little bit
about "What is this all about?"

1062
01:10:00,367 --> 01:10:01,952
But he knew what it was all about.

1063
01:10:05,664 --> 01:10:08,167
Detective Sergeant Carmen Walker

1064
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:10,211
of the Marion County
Sheriff's Office said,

1065
01:10:10,294 --> 01:10:11,962
"We need you to open your mouth."

1066
01:10:14,089 --> 01:10:15,591
And he complied.

1067
01:10:23,432 --> 01:10:25,434
He did not look like he was enjoying it.

1068
01:10:50,167 --> 01:10:55,673
It came back 99.9997%

1069
01:10:55,756 --> 01:10:58,425
that I am his biological daughter.

1070
01:10:58,926 --> 01:11:01,345
And how many times
did you use your own sample?

1071
01:11:01,887 --> 01:11:03,597
Sparingly, but

1072
01:11:05,057 --> 01:11:09,144
keep in mind,
we're talking 30 to 35 years ago,

1073
01:11:09,228 --> 01:11:12,273
and I… I can't remember.

1074
01:11:12,356 --> 01:11:15,067
All the records have been shredded.

1075
01:11:18,195 --> 01:11:21,282
The fertility doctor
at the center of a controversial case

1076
01:11:21,365 --> 01:11:23,659
is headed back to court
to answer criminal charges.

1077
01:11:23,742 --> 01:11:26,662
Dr. Donald Cline is charged
with two felony counts

1078
01:11:26,745 --> 01:11:30,708
of obstruction of justice
for statements he made to investigators.

1079
01:11:30,791 --> 01:11:32,835
The retired
Indianapolis fertility doctor

1080
01:11:32,918 --> 01:11:36,088
now plans to plead guilty
to obstruction of justice.

1081
01:11:36,171 --> 01:11:39,508
Prosecutors say he intentionally
misled investigators about a case

1082
01:11:39,591 --> 01:11:42,344
that's turned dozens
of people's lives upside down.

1083
01:11:42,428 --> 01:11:44,179
And it was literally 20 months ago

1084
01:11:44,263 --> 01:11:47,224
that I got a Facebook question to me,
"Angela, can you help me?"

1085
01:11:47,308 --> 01:11:50,978
And thank you for believing in them,
because no one else did but you.

1086
01:11:51,061 --> 01:11:52,146
Yeah, thank you.

1087
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:53,605
He didn't want to go to trial

1088
01:11:53,689 --> 01:11:55,524
because more information would come out,

1089
01:11:55,607 --> 01:11:58,819
and then also,
he'd probably get more of a punishment.

1090
01:11:58,902 --> 01:12:00,571
So he changed his plea to guilty.

1091
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:11,957
I felt good
that day at the court hearing.

1092
01:12:13,292 --> 01:12:16,795
Even though I knew
that all he was being charged with

1093
01:12:16,879 --> 01:12:19,506
was two counts of obstruction of justice,

1094
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:23,010
I thought, "Fucking finally. Something."

1095
01:12:27,639 --> 01:12:30,809
I didn't wanna make
eye contact with him. I…

1096
01:12:32,978 --> 01:12:34,438
I was afraid of him.

1097
01:12:38,484 --> 01:12:42,279
Uh, he actually walked right
past me and brushed up against me, and…

1098
01:12:43,572 --> 01:12:46,158
it almost brought me to my knees.

1099
01:12:47,951 --> 01:12:51,413
That was my first time seeing that man

1100
01:12:52,539 --> 01:12:56,502
and being that close to him,
and there was no regard for us.

1101
01:12:58,545 --> 01:13:01,131
Your honor, I'm asking for mercy

1102
01:13:01,215 --> 01:13:04,218
and compassion for myself.

1103
01:13:07,429 --> 01:13:09,598
I've tried to live out my life

1104
01:13:09,681 --> 01:13:12,351
showing honesty and care to others,

1105
01:13:12,434 --> 01:13:14,645
and I will continue to do so.

1106
01:13:15,145 --> 01:13:16,688
He looked very old

1107
01:13:17,231 --> 01:13:20,317
and weak, and part of me thought,

1108
01:13:20,401 --> 01:13:24,363
"Is this an act that you're putting on
to get the judge to go easier on you?"

1109
01:13:29,201 --> 01:13:31,495
I was allowed to give
a victim-impact statement

1110
01:13:31,578 --> 01:13:35,416
because I was one of the originals
that filed a complaint with the state.

1111
01:13:36,834 --> 01:13:40,921
My hope was that the judge
would be appalled by this,

1112
01:13:41,505 --> 01:13:45,259
and that he would at least get,
like, some jail time.

1113
01:13:45,843 --> 01:13:47,886
These are my words to Cline.

1114
01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:51,640
Every time I or my half-siblings
look up our name,

1115
01:13:51,723 --> 01:13:53,684
we all have the same issue tied to you.

1116
01:13:53,767 --> 01:13:55,477
It has caused anguish in everyone,

1117
01:13:55,561 --> 01:13:58,063
and some of us have
wanted to die from this pain.

1118
01:13:59,648 --> 01:14:03,569
For 30 years, my half-sister, Julie,
believed her dad was her biological dad--

1119
01:14:03,652 --> 01:14:05,237
Objection, Your Honor.

1120
01:14:06,155 --> 01:14:07,156
Relevancy.

1121
01:14:08,991 --> 01:14:12,077
We had agreed
to the wording of the statement.

1122
01:14:12,703 --> 01:14:13,704
Literally redlined it.

1123
01:14:14,288 --> 01:14:17,458
And I had things crossed out
or highlighted that you can't say.

1124
01:14:17,541 --> 01:14:19,376
Because of your denials,

1125
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:21,837
I feel you have
no consideration for the mothers

1126
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,798
who came to you,
us as your biological children,

1127
01:14:24,882 --> 01:14:27,676
or your wife
and the four children you had with her.

1128
01:14:27,759 --> 01:14:31,138
It was always about you.
You lied. You still lie.

1129
01:14:31,221 --> 01:14:34,308
You even have your family believing you,
and that sickens me.

1130
01:14:34,391 --> 01:14:36,518
-Our mothers trusted you–
-Objection!

1131
01:14:36,602 --> 01:14:38,061
She… she went for it.

1132
01:14:38,145 --> 01:14:41,023
I don't know if I would've had the courage
to do that in front of a judge.

1133
01:14:41,106 --> 01:14:42,316
But, you know…

1134
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:45,736
I'm asking you to look at the
depth of the reasons he is charged with--

1135
01:14:45,819 --> 01:14:46,862
Objection!

1136
01:14:46,945 --> 01:14:48,655
{\an8}What we're really getting at

1137
01:14:48,739 --> 01:14:51,200
{\an8}is the inability of victims
to tell their stories.

1138
01:14:51,283 --> 01:14:53,285
{\an8}Those who testify can only testify

1139
01:14:53,368 --> 01:14:55,996
{\an8}to… to what is relevant
to a criminal proceeding.

1140
01:14:56,079 --> 01:14:58,832
But-- And what is relevant
to Cline's proceeding

1141
01:14:58,916 --> 01:15:01,335
was not what happened in the '70s or '80s,

1142
01:15:01,418 --> 01:15:03,170
not the births, not the fertility fraud.

1143
01:15:03,253 --> 01:15:04,588
It was the lies to the state.

1144
01:15:05,172 --> 01:15:08,175
In Cline's proceeding,
the state was the victim. They weren't.

1145
01:15:08,759 --> 01:15:12,137
I do want to reiterate, probably
for the fifth or sixth time at this point,

1146
01:15:12,221 --> 01:15:15,224
that the court, by law, can only consider

1147
01:15:16,099 --> 01:15:18,268
the charges
that Dr. Cline's plead guilty to,

1148
01:15:18,352 --> 01:15:20,604
the obstruction of… of justice charges.

1149
01:15:20,687 --> 01:15:24,733
Obviously, it would be inappropriate
for me to consider outside of that realm.

1150
01:15:25,442 --> 01:15:28,028
What we asked for the judge to do

1151
01:15:28,111 --> 01:15:29,738
was twofold.

1152
01:15:29,821 --> 01:15:35,035
One, to make sure
that these crimes remained as felonies

1153
01:15:35,118 --> 01:15:37,538
on his record, and two,

1154
01:15:37,621 --> 01:15:40,165
deliver executed time,
an executed sentence,

1155
01:15:40,249 --> 01:15:42,459
meaning time served in jail.

1156
01:15:43,210 --> 01:15:46,338
We received a number
of support letters for Dr. Cline.

1157
01:15:46,421 --> 01:15:48,298
These are letters
from members of the community,

1158
01:15:48,382 --> 01:15:52,302
former patients, and members
of Dr. Cline's family and church.

1159
01:15:52,386 --> 01:15:55,556
These individuals have known
Dr. Cline for many years.

1160
01:15:55,639 --> 01:15:58,642
And they evidence
a strong connection to his family,

1161
01:15:58,725 --> 01:16:00,978
the community, and that rehabilitation

1162
01:16:01,061 --> 01:16:04,606
is not only possible
but actually has already taken place here.

1163
01:16:05,774 --> 01:16:08,277
A lot of folks submitted letters

1164
01:16:08,777 --> 01:16:10,821
{\an8}on his behalf to the judge.

1165
01:16:10,904 --> 01:16:14,032
{\an8}I believe there was one
that came from a prosecutor

1166
01:16:14,116 --> 01:16:16,994
from Boone County,
which is where he lives,

1167
01:16:17,077 --> 01:16:19,580
saying that "This guy is a good man,"

1168
01:16:19,663 --> 01:16:22,040
you know, "He should get some leniency."

1169
01:16:25,836 --> 01:16:28,463
Is that an odd thing
for a prosecutor to write to a judge

1170
01:16:28,547 --> 01:16:29,506
if it's a friend?

1171
01:16:32,384 --> 01:16:35,178
I'd do well not to comment
on that particular question.

1172
01:16:37,306 --> 01:16:40,142
That's when I, in my gut,

1173
01:16:40,642 --> 01:16:42,477
felt like the state was corrupt.

1174
01:16:42,561 --> 01:16:43,645
There were people corrupt,

1175
01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:45,731
and they were friends
with him or something.

1176
01:16:46,773 --> 01:16:49,318
Please remember
that whatever happens during sentencing,

1177
01:16:49,401 --> 01:16:51,945
the people that love you
are gonna continue to love you.

1178
01:16:53,322 --> 01:16:56,575
The judge seemed
very sympathetic towards him,

1179
01:16:56,658 --> 01:16:58,577
like on the verge of tears.

1180
01:16:58,660 --> 01:17:02,039
With the limited resources
that we have, overcrowding at the jail,

1181
01:17:02,122 --> 01:17:04,374
and your lack of a criminal history,

1182
01:17:04,458 --> 01:17:07,544
um, an executed sentence is nothing
that the court is gonna order.

1183
01:17:07,628 --> 01:17:10,213
I really wanted him to have jail time.

1184
01:17:10,297 --> 01:17:11,173
I really did.

1185
01:17:11,256 --> 01:17:14,593
I thought that that would bring
a little bit of closure to me.

1186
01:17:15,469 --> 01:17:17,429
But… no.

1187
01:17:18,096 --> 01:17:22,017
I know that this is your
first offense, but Dr. Cline, I do believe

1188
01:17:22,100 --> 01:17:26,855
that the facts support going ahead
and sentencing you as a level 6 felon.

1189
01:17:28,065 --> 01:17:30,609
Um, as to fines and costs,

1190
01:17:31,109 --> 01:17:33,737
sir, the court will fine you $500.

1191
01:17:34,988 --> 01:17:38,116
And so he got
the two Level 6 felonies

1192
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:40,786
with complete suspended sentences

1193
01:17:40,869 --> 01:17:42,788
and a $500 fine,

1194
01:17:43,705 --> 01:17:45,832
which is a slap in the fucking face.

1195
01:17:58,303 --> 01:18:00,389
Dr. Cline,
do you have any comment at all?

1196
01:18:00,972 --> 01:18:04,017
Dr. Cline, what would you
change now if you could change anything?

1197
01:18:07,104 --> 01:18:09,731
This was a span of two years

1198
01:18:09,815 --> 01:18:12,109
from me filing a complaint,

1199
01:18:12,192 --> 01:18:15,237
to them actually,
finally doing something about it.

1200
01:18:16,988 --> 01:18:18,115
And…

1201
01:18:19,574 --> 01:18:22,994
…this judge just let this man

1202
01:18:23,078 --> 01:18:25,372
pretty much off the hook.

1203
01:18:29,835 --> 01:18:32,421
And I dread
every new match that comes.

1204
01:18:34,089 --> 01:18:35,757
But they just keep coming,

1205
01:18:36,258 --> 01:18:38,719
and you never know the day
that you're gonna wake up,

1206
01:18:38,802 --> 01:18:40,637
and then they're going to be there.

1207
01:18:53,734 --> 01:18:55,986
{\an8}I just-- Uh, I feel like he…

1208
01:18:58,989 --> 01:19:00,824
{\an8}That this was some sick

1209
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,077
game experiment for him.

1210
01:19:06,997 --> 01:19:08,081
As far as I know,

1211
01:19:08,165 --> 01:19:11,877
all of the inseminations
that I did with my sample,

1212
01:19:13,336 --> 01:19:15,630
um, and again it was sparingly,

1213
01:19:16,131 --> 01:19:18,467
um, had a healthy baby.

1214
01:19:19,259 --> 01:19:21,511
It was, you know, important to my parents

1215
01:19:22,304 --> 01:19:24,264
that it was someone that was healthy,

1216
01:19:24,765 --> 01:19:27,517
and for him
to turn around and violate them

1217
01:19:27,601 --> 01:19:31,062
and do this without their consent, and

1218
01:19:32,397 --> 01:19:37,068
there's a lot of us
that have the same health issues.

1219
01:19:38,153 --> 01:19:40,030
Almost every single one of us.

1220
01:19:42,783 --> 01:19:46,244
I've been to so many doctors,
been to the Cleveland Clinic.

1221
01:19:46,745 --> 01:19:48,622
They don't know what's wrong with me.

1222
01:19:49,331 --> 01:19:50,207
I'm sick.

1223
01:19:51,666 --> 01:19:55,545
And other, um, siblings have, um,

1224
01:19:56,213 --> 01:19:58,423
autoimmune diseases and stuff.

1225
01:19:59,883 --> 01:20:02,135
I have an autoimmune disease, yeah.

1226
01:20:02,219 --> 01:20:04,137
It's, um, a blood clotting disorder,

1227
01:20:04,221 --> 01:20:07,933
um, which I didn't know
until I had a miscarriage,

1228
01:20:08,016 --> 01:20:11,228
and, uh, we were determining
what would have caused that.

1229
01:20:11,812 --> 01:20:13,063
I mean, I've had…

1230
01:20:16,566 --> 01:20:19,361
…colonoscopy, endoscopy, I've had--

1231
01:20:21,112 --> 01:20:23,323
I mean, I've spent weeks in the hospital,

1232
01:20:23,824 --> 01:20:25,992
losing 15 pounds at a time.

1233
01:20:26,952 --> 01:20:31,748
I have a lot of digestive,
um, and colon issues, and

1234
01:20:32,791 --> 01:20:34,793
no one on my mom's side does.

1235
01:20:38,004 --> 01:20:39,548
In the early '70s,

1236
01:20:39,631 --> 01:20:42,884
I had heard
that he was having trouble, uh, operating

1237
01:20:42,968 --> 01:20:44,803
because he had rheumatoid arthritis.

1238
01:20:44,886 --> 01:20:47,097
And he had-- His hands were swelling up.

1239
01:20:47,597 --> 01:20:50,725
I… I, at that time,
I felt I would hate to see him,

1240
01:20:50,809 --> 01:20:53,728
his career of being a great surgeon end

1241
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:56,606
because he couldn't get
the right treatment for his arthritis.

1242
01:20:56,690 --> 01:20:58,733
And so, I called our chief of medicine,

1243
01:20:58,817 --> 01:21:00,652
told him about Cline's problems.

1244
01:21:00,735 --> 01:21:03,446
And he said,
"Yeah. Well, let me call Dr. B. up there,"

1245
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:06,992
and Cline went down and met with him,
and he told him what to take, etcetera.

1246
01:21:07,075 --> 01:21:11,705
So, once he got on the right medications,
he seemed to be fine.

1247
01:21:11,788 --> 01:21:13,540
His symptoms abated.

1248
01:21:16,751 --> 01:21:19,296
I know
in talking to a sperm bank,

1249
01:21:20,380 --> 01:21:23,842
30% of the guys didn't even make it

1250
01:21:23,925 --> 01:21:26,011
past the questionnaire

1251
01:21:26,595 --> 01:21:28,346
because of what was in their family.

1252
01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:31,391
History of cancer, history of whatever,

1253
01:21:31,892 --> 01:21:33,852
even color blindness, for goodness sakes.

1254
01:21:33,935 --> 01:21:36,396
Now, looking back at it, and being like,

1255
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,524
"Okay. He's got an autoimmune disease,

1256
01:21:39,608 --> 01:21:44,195
um, and his sperm
wouldn't have even been allowed

1257
01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:46,197
to be a donor because of that."

1258
01:21:46,823 --> 01:21:49,492
Like, "Dude, you knew this."

1259
01:21:49,576 --> 01:21:52,245
"You knew… you knew you had issues."

1260
01:21:52,329 --> 01:21:54,581
"Like, how… how dare you?"

1261
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:57,292
Yeah.

1262
01:22:00,170 --> 01:22:02,088
Now, there's the Don Cline we knew,

1263
01:22:03,048 --> 01:22:06,343
that I knew, that I th-- knew well.

1264
01:22:08,511 --> 01:22:11,181
And there's the Don Cline
I would have never imagined.

1265
01:22:14,059 --> 01:22:14,935
Yeah.

1266
01:22:15,894 --> 01:22:17,145
Yeah. It broke my heart.

1267
01:22:24,152 --> 01:22:24,986
Evil.

1268
01:22:25,987 --> 01:22:29,115
And I-- If Don was right here,
I'd say that right to his face.

1269
01:22:34,162 --> 01:22:35,538
Still to this day,

1270
01:22:35,622 --> 01:22:39,626
there are people
in his community that back him.

1271
01:22:40,418 --> 01:22:44,464
And people that sit there and say,
"But he is such a wonderful man."

1272
01:22:44,965 --> 01:22:47,217
And I just want to look at those people

1273
01:22:47,300 --> 01:22:50,011
and say, "Well, then maybe
he should have put his sperm

1274
01:22:50,095 --> 01:22:52,430
in your wife without her consent."

1275
01:22:52,514 --> 01:22:55,183
"And then how would you like that?"

1276
01:23:05,902 --> 01:23:09,864
{\an8}I took a 23andMe DNA test because,

1277
01:23:10,407 --> 01:23:12,367
{\an8}about four or five years ago now,

1278
01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:16,246
{\an8}my children and I were both diagnosed
with a genetic disorder.

1279
01:23:17,414 --> 01:23:19,207
I got the results back.

1280
01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:24,129
And when I got to the genetic DNA family,

1281
01:23:24,796 --> 01:23:27,424
there were half-siblings listed.

1282
01:23:27,507 --> 01:23:30,593
And I honestly just thought,
"Oh, this is a mistake."

1283
01:23:31,469 --> 01:23:33,304
Because by that time,

1284
01:23:33,388 --> 01:23:40,020
I didn't know that my parents
had any type of fertility treatment

1285
01:23:40,103 --> 01:23:42,856
other than receiving
fertility medications.

1286
01:23:43,648 --> 01:23:48,945
So I kind of just put it out of my mind,
and didn't think anything of it.

1287
01:23:51,156 --> 01:23:54,075
And then I had
a couple messages from Jacoba.

1288
01:23:55,744 --> 01:23:57,579
And it basically said,

1289
01:23:57,662 --> 01:24:01,374
"I'm sure
you're confused by your results."

1290
01:24:01,458 --> 01:24:03,960
"Feel free to contact me
with any questions."

1291
01:24:04,836 --> 01:24:09,424
It didn't occur to me
that she was talking about the siblings,

1292
01:24:09,507 --> 01:24:14,262
so I just
kind of disregarded that message.

1293
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:16,639
{\an8}

1294
01:24:18,975 --> 01:24:23,104
{\an8}On December 9th of 2019,

1295
01:24:23,188 --> 01:24:24,522
{\an8}a Dr. Phil show aired.

1296
01:24:25,231 --> 01:24:27,067
{\an8}Well, question for you.

1297
01:24:27,150 --> 01:24:29,069
{\an8}How would you feel if you found out

1298
01:24:29,152 --> 01:24:31,279
{\an8}your mother's fertility doctor

1299
01:24:32,155 --> 01:24:34,532
{\an8}was actually your biological father?

1300
01:24:41,372 --> 01:24:43,333
When the siblings walked out…

1301
01:24:45,418 --> 01:24:47,212
{\an8}Jacoba was introduced.

1302
01:24:47,295 --> 01:24:52,550
{\an8}You felt no remorse from him,
other than just the fear of being caught.

1303
01:24:52,634 --> 01:24:55,178
{\an8}He was not remorseful at all.

1304
01:24:55,261 --> 01:24:58,264
{\an8}-None?
-He just did not want it to be public.

1305
01:24:58,348 --> 01:25:01,017
{\an8}He told me,
"The world does not need to know."

1306
01:25:01,935 --> 01:25:02,977
{\an8}Wow.

1307
01:25:06,564 --> 01:25:10,443
I, uh, quickly got my phone
and opened my 23andMe,

1308
01:25:11,111 --> 01:25:15,406
and all of the siblings on that show
were listed as my half-siblings.

1309
01:25:17,075 --> 01:25:20,495
So then I knew, I knew at that moment,

1310
01:25:21,246 --> 01:25:23,832
that there-- That we were a part of it.

1311
01:25:25,458 --> 01:25:29,212
{\an8}I was a patient
of Dr. Cline's for many years.

1312
01:25:30,421 --> 01:25:35,051
I think he took each case very personally.

1313
01:25:35,135 --> 01:25:36,594
At least he did with me.

1314
01:25:38,513 --> 01:25:40,181
He delivered the girls,

1315
01:25:41,349 --> 01:25:44,477
and he came over with his wife

1316
01:25:44,561 --> 01:25:46,938
to see our babies at home.

1317
01:25:51,109 --> 01:25:53,820
So this is a picture
of my twin sister and I

1318
01:25:53,903 --> 01:25:57,073
right after delivery, in the incubator.

1319
01:25:59,909 --> 01:26:01,035
And…

1320
01:26:06,124 --> 01:26:10,336
this is the picture of Cline
holding me as an infant at the house.

1321
01:26:12,964 --> 01:26:15,383
I was probably eight months old there.

1322
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:25,560
I had such mixed emotions in that

1323
01:26:26,644 --> 01:26:29,689
the thought that he had used

1324
01:26:29,772 --> 01:26:33,568
his own specimen to impregnate me

1325
01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:38,448
made me kind of queasy
and sick to my stomach.

1326
01:26:39,032 --> 01:26:40,783
Whereas, um…

1327
01:26:42,827 --> 01:26:44,162
on the other hand,

1328
01:26:44,245 --> 01:26:47,957
I thought about the fact
that because of his skills

1329
01:26:48,041 --> 01:26:49,667
in operating on me,

1330
01:26:49,751 --> 01:26:54,297
and… and clearing up some of the things
that were causing infertility,

1331
01:26:54,380 --> 01:26:56,090
I was grateful to him.

1332
01:26:56,716 --> 01:26:59,177
So I had this mix of emotions,

1333
01:26:59,260 --> 01:27:02,388
and I have twin daughters

1334
01:27:02,472 --> 01:27:06,142
who are absolutely delightful girls.

1335
01:27:07,393 --> 01:27:08,645
And I--

1336
01:27:09,395 --> 01:27:11,064
You know, you can't be angry

1337
01:27:11,147 --> 01:27:14,692
when you have…
you have what you always dreamed of.

1338
01:27:17,195 --> 01:27:20,657
Well, it was, um, complex for me because…

1339
01:27:23,576 --> 01:27:25,912
I was 47 years old at the time,

1340
01:27:25,995 --> 01:27:27,247
and to find out…

1341
01:27:31,793 --> 01:27:34,504
…that the man I looked up to and emulated

1342
01:27:34,587 --> 01:27:36,172
from the time I was small…

1343
01:27:38,132 --> 01:27:42,470
was not my biological father was crushing.

1344
01:27:44,889 --> 01:27:46,432
That was the biggest part.

1345
01:27:46,516 --> 01:27:49,560
I felt this need to protect him,

1346
01:27:49,644 --> 01:27:51,729
and I didn't want people to know.

1347
01:27:55,775 --> 01:27:59,279
But the other part of my story

1348
01:27:59,362 --> 01:28:03,241
is that Don Cline
was also my fertility doctor.

1349
01:28:09,247 --> 01:28:12,333
He was my main GYN.

1350
01:28:12,417 --> 01:28:16,879
He took care of all my gynecological needs
for the two years that I saw him.

1351
01:28:16,963 --> 01:28:18,923
He did my Pap exams.

1352
01:28:19,007 --> 01:28:20,883
He did breast exams.

1353
01:28:24,554 --> 01:28:28,933
I mean, I don't think
any grown woman wants…

1354
01:28:30,810 --> 01:28:33,396
someone closely related to them,

1355
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,900
a member of the opposite sex,
to touch them in that way, in such--

1356
01:28:37,984 --> 01:28:41,988
It's a very vulnerable position
that the patient is in.

1357
01:28:42,572 --> 01:28:45,241
And to be touching and examining

1358
01:28:46,743 --> 01:28:49,329
private areas of your body. It's just--

1359
01:28:53,333 --> 01:28:57,503
It's-- I can't… I can't even think
about it without getting upset.

1360
01:28:58,504 --> 01:29:01,215
I didn't get to have
that knowledge. He knew.

1361
01:29:01,299 --> 01:29:04,510
I didn't get to know that
or have the chance to say,

1362
01:29:04,594 --> 01:29:06,929
"No. I would… I…
I'd rather I see someone else."

1363
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:11,642
"I don't… I don't want someone
who is biologically related to me

1364
01:29:11,726 --> 01:29:13,186
to touch me in that way."

1365
01:29:13,269 --> 01:29:15,021
I didn't get to do… know that.

1366
01:29:19,901 --> 01:29:23,112
It's almost, you know,

1367
01:29:23,196 --> 01:29:26,199
it's like… it's like a bad dream
that you-- that's recurring.

1368
01:29:27,033 --> 01:29:28,368
You wanna wake up.

1369
01:29:28,451 --> 01:29:30,870
But every time you wake up,
it's not a dream.

1370
01:29:33,748 --> 01:29:38,920
I just can't believe
how it was, you know, done to us.

1371
01:29:39,003 --> 01:29:43,508
I really can't. And for him
to act like nothing happened.

1372
01:29:43,591 --> 01:29:45,760
I think that's the worst part of it.

1373
01:29:48,971 --> 01:29:52,308
I don't want you
to think that I do this--

1374
01:29:52,392 --> 01:29:56,187
I did the insemination with my own sample

1375
01:29:56,270 --> 01:29:57,688
very blasé.

1376
01:29:59,607 --> 01:30:03,027
Was there a sexual connotation to it?

1377
01:30:03,111 --> 01:30:04,195
Absolutely not.

1378
01:30:05,154 --> 01:30:08,241
I don't look at these people

1379
01:30:08,324 --> 01:30:10,701
and consider them to be my

1380
01:30:11,411 --> 01:30:12,537
children.

1381
01:30:16,082 --> 01:30:18,209
I want zero relationship with him.

1382
01:30:24,006 --> 01:30:25,425
He's not my father.

1383
01:30:30,638 --> 01:30:32,932
I may share half of his DNA,

1384
01:30:34,142 --> 01:30:36,686
but he's not my father,
and he never will be.

1385
01:30:43,025 --> 01:30:46,362
I feel sorry for him
because his whole life to his wife,

1386
01:30:46,446 --> 01:30:49,615
to his own children,
to his community, to his church,

1387
01:30:50,158 --> 01:30:53,411
to his colleagues
in the hospital and his office.

1388
01:30:54,620 --> 01:30:55,788
It's all a lie.

1389
01:30:58,332 --> 01:31:01,252
I would like to see him
pay for what he did…

1390
01:31:03,963 --> 01:31:05,840
…but I just, I feel like…

1391
01:31:07,675 --> 01:31:09,802
there isn't gonna be any justice.

1392
01:31:11,429 --> 01:31:12,430
I'm okay.

1393
01:31:14,599 --> 01:31:16,893
This is not my issue. It's his.

1394
01:31:22,857 --> 01:31:26,277
I think continually putting
his name and face in the media,

1395
01:31:27,445 --> 01:31:31,741
and telling our story
was the absolute way to go.

1396
01:31:33,826 --> 01:31:35,912
I'm not gonna run away from him.

1397
01:31:36,621 --> 01:31:38,539
Not gonna run away from this story.

1398
01:31:40,208 --> 01:31:42,793
If you were not even
experiencing problems with infertility,

1399
01:31:42,877 --> 01:31:46,130
if you saw Dr. Cline and you have a child,

1400
01:31:46,214 --> 01:31:49,634
I think it is important,
very important, that you have a DNA test.

1401
01:31:49,717 --> 01:31:53,387
Your child has a DNA test,
just to be certain that you know

1402
01:31:53,471 --> 01:31:55,848
who the father is of that child.

1403
01:32:02,855 --> 01:32:04,649
Instead of destroying me…

1404
01:32:07,777 --> 01:32:09,904
you made me realize my self-worth.

1405
01:32:10,905 --> 01:32:12,740
That's absolutely what you did.

1406
01:32:12,823 --> 01:32:15,785
And you made me realize
what my purpose is too.

1407
01:32:15,868 --> 01:32:16,953
And I'm a fighter.

1408
01:32:18,204 --> 01:32:21,749
And I will fight for every sibling

1409
01:32:21,832 --> 01:32:24,794
that I have that I know,
that I don't know,

1410
01:32:24,877 --> 01:32:27,713
and for every woman that you assaulted.

1411
01:32:29,298 --> 01:32:32,218
And I will do this
until the fucking day I die.

1412
01:32:56,951 --> 01:32:58,703
♪ Devil, Devil ♪

1413
01:33:02,832 --> 01:33:05,710
♪ Clever Devil, Devil ♪

1414
01:33:10,047 --> 01:33:16,262
♪ How quickly they do sell their souls ♪

1415
01:33:16,971 --> 01:33:22,602
♪ For the feast and the promise of gold ♪

1416
01:33:23,811 --> 01:33:28,441
♪ But Devil, that won't be me ♪

1417
01:33:34,238 --> 01:33:35,740
♪ Devil, Devil ♪

1418
01:33:40,119 --> 01:33:43,247
♪ Bones of metal, metal ♪

1419
01:33:47,043 --> 01:33:53,382
♪ You torture saints
With a single glance ♪

1420
01:33:53,883 --> 01:34:00,306
♪ Make them think
They ever stood a chance ♪

1421
01:34:00,389 --> 01:34:03,768
♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪

1422
01:34:03,851 --> 01:34:07,104
♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪

1423
01:34:07,188 --> 01:34:13,444
♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪

1424
01:34:13,944 --> 01:34:17,281
♪ What makes you so special, special ♪

1425
01:34:17,365 --> 01:34:21,077
♪ To think I would ever settle ♪

1426
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,788
♪ For that devious dance ♪

1427
01:34:23,871 --> 01:34:29,877
♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪

1428
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,093
♪ Rebel, rebel ♪

1429
01:34:40,471 --> 01:34:44,433
♪ Call me a rebel, rebel ♪

1430
01:34:47,937 --> 01:34:53,734
♪ I walk the plank, not a tear in my eye ♪

1431
01:34:54,694 --> 01:35:00,908
♪ I won't go down your blushing bride ♪

1432
01:35:01,450 --> 01:35:07,415
♪ Under the water
I'll be sharpening my knife ♪

1433
01:35:07,998 --> 01:35:11,335
♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪

1434
01:35:11,419 --> 01:35:14,672
♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪

1435
01:35:14,755 --> 01:35:20,803
♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪

1436
01:35:21,345 --> 01:35:24,890
♪ What makes you so special, special ♪

1437
01:35:24,974 --> 01:35:28,644
♪ To think I would ever settle ♪

1438
01:35:28,728 --> 01:35:31,397
♪ For that devious dance ♪

1439
01:35:31,480 --> 01:35:38,446
♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪