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- ♪ MTV ♪
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- I'm Tami Roman.
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I have been cheated on before.
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- You [bleep] my man
when I was married to him.
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- I even wrote a book
about it.
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And I've made it my mission
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to help suspicious lovers
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catch their cheating partners
in the act.
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Hold up.
- Man, you brought this
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to my place of business?
How dare you?
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What is this?
- Ooh.
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- Oh!
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Together with my relationship
coaches...
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- You gotta tell
about the insecurities
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that you have.
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That's how y'all work
through it.
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- This is a situation
where you have to say,
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"I'm gonna step up
and do what's right."
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- And stealthy
investigation team...
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- They think they slick,
well, we slicker.
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- We won't stop
until we find the truth.
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Cheaters beware.
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- I'm [bleep] torn.
I love 'em both.
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- You gotta fundamentally say,
"I'm gonna be different."
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- Who the [bleep]
you think you are?
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- Why the [bleep] y'all
got cameras in my crib?
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What the [bleep]
is wrong with you?
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- [screaming]
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- Nobody should think
they're better
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than anybody else,
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'cause y'all all
[bleep] been played,
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and that's just the truth.
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This is "Caught in the Act:
Unfaithful."
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- ♪ Before we start,
boy, you can keep it ♪
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♪ I'm not impressed
with fancy cars ♪
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♪ On the boulevard,
boy, you can keep it ♪
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- Jessica, hi.
- Nice to meet you.
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- How are you?
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We'll just have a seat
on the sofa there.
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So pretty.
- Thank you. You too.
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[chuckles]
- Now, you reached out to us
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because you feel like
your partner Evan
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may be unfaithful.
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But I need to hear a little bit
about your relationship first.
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- So Evan and I,
we've known each other
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since we were actually
in elementary school.
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- Really?
- Both of us started
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to do our own things in life.
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He started
with his music career.
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Like, I was just scrolling
through my Instagram.
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And it was, like, a reel
so it just started playing.
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I was like,
"Ooh, this new song is good."
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And then when I saw that
it was him, I was like...
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[gasps] "He--doggonit, no way."
- What?
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What happened after that?
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- I made a dance to the song.
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- Oh, so you did a lot
for this song.
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- Yeah.
- [laughs]
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- And then I posted it.
And I--I don't think
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that it was, like,
the dance did so well
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or the dance helped him
that much,
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but it was the thought
that counted for him.
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And what he likes
to remind me of is, like,
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he's in love with me
his whole life.
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But, like, this is something
that I was finding out later.
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- Because how long
have you guys been together?
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- A year.
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- And how did it transition
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to this year-long
relationship?
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- Slowly.
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He's not in town a lot.
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- And so a lot of the times
that we hang out,
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we're, like,
with a big group of people.
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- Okay.
- But when he's in work mode--
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like, even right now, it's--
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it's impossible
to even communicate at all.
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- Mm.
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- Like, we only live
45 minutes apart,
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but I feel like there's
a lack of want for me
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that I have for him.
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- I understand
what you're going through
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when you talk about
having a relationship
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with a musician,
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because my ex-husband was
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a professional
basketball player.
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And their first love
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is the thing that
they are doing.
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- ♪ I been puttin'
in the work, yeah ♪
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♪ They say they gave up ♪
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♪ Through the stain
upon my shirt, yeah ♪
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- For you,
music is Evan's first love.
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Why do you feel
it's so important for you
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to keep this relationship?
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- I think he's good for me in
so many ways.
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He wants to keep me happy
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and not worrying so much.
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Which is what I'm told
more often than anything
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is I worry too much.
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Usually, that thought process
comes from something that
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we've experienced in our past.
- Yeah.
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I've been through the wringer.
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I mean, I've caught someone
in a boyfriend's bed.
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- Mm.
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Now, see, for me,
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I had to check myself, like,
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over the course
of my life, right?
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Because I would get into
relationships with people
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and everything would be
going great.
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And I would self-sabotage
the relationship because I'm--
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I had been hurt
so many times before.
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And then I end up with
somebody good
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and I convince myself that
there's something wrong.
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Could that be
what's happening here?
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- Yeah. Definitely.
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- And why do you think that is?
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- 'Cause I'm scared.
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- What are you scared of?
- Of them leaving me.
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- Is there something that
you're not sharing with me
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that would help me be able
to help you?
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- [exhales]
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Well, in 2018,
I lost my dad to suicide.
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- Sorry to hear that.
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- I'm very afraid of
people leaving me.
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- Okay.
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How did that affect you?
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- It broke me.
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It also made me
the best person I can be.
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I feel him still with me.
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- So what that developed in you
was a fear of abandonment.
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And maybe you were drawn
to Evan
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as a mechanism
to cope with the loss.
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- Yeah.
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While me and Evan were dating,
he lost his mom.
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- Okay. Okay. Okay.
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- I ended up being the person
that could help him heal.
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From that moment on,
like, I've wanted to
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hold onto this so hard,
but I've been scared,
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so scared of losing him.
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Just all the silly fears
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I feel like
everyone goes through,
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but, like, they're heightened
for some reason lately.
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There's something missing.
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Something he's not telling me.
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- Well...
- I feel like there's people
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that don't know about me.
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- Is there someone
that you think
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he might be cheating with?
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- He is best friends
with the girl that
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he just wrote an album with.
And she doesn't know who I am.
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- She should know that
he has a significant other.
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- Well, I mean, like,
the first time that
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I even knew who she was
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was because he came out
with a song with her.
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- Mm.
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- Usually your first impression
if you're meeting
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somebody's girlfriend
for the first time is like,
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"Hi." Yeah.
- "Hi. Oh, my God."
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And she didn't give you
any of that?
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- No, it was like I was no one.
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- No, it was like I was no one.
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When we first started dating,
he was posting me.
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Like, he was excited
to show me off.
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And now it's, like,
where did that go?
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- Is he posting somebody else
instead of you?
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- Yes.
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She's in all of his music
so he has that excuse.
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- So he can definitely relate
to her
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on the music side of things.
- She's beautiful.
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- So are you.
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You could be talking
yourself...
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to the edge of the ledge.
- Right.
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- Okay?
- Exactly.
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- I have been that girl
afraid of them leaving me.
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I wanna take this case
and show you
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that everything that you want
is out there.
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You've gotta find a way
to love yourself more
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than you love Evan.
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Now, in order to do this
successfully,
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I need to know
where Evan be at.
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- Well, there's one studio
in particular.
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I can give you the address.
- Perfect.
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So you send me that,
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and I'll get
my investigation team on it.
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- 'Kay.
- 'Kay.
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So you gonna go home,
act normal.
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You're not gonna let him know
that you came to see me.
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- Mm-kay.
- All right.
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Thank you so much
for coming in, Jessica.
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- I appreciate you.
- You gonna be good.
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You're gonna be good.
- [chuckles]
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- Thank you so much.
- Thank you.
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♪ ♪
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- Tami gave us the down-low
from his girlfriend Jessica
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about the music studio
that he frequents.
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- Yes.
- Least we have
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an approximate time
to expect him,
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location, description.
- Okay.
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- So what I'm thinking is,
I'm gonna get in there.
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We've got
two surveillance cams to hide.
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One is disguised as a clock.
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And then I got the, um--
the smoke detector cams.
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- That should cover the room,
right?
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- Yes.
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Hello.
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Ah, this is it.
This is studio B.
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So I'm thinking if--hold on.
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- That's where you need to put
the clock camera.
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- How's it look?
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- Now you just need to see
the back of the room
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where we're gonna put that
other slope thing.
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- Standby a second.
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[grunts]
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All right, check that?
- That's good. That's good.
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You're clear to come out.
- Okay.
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All right.
Now we sit and we wait.
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- Yep.
- And we hope
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the tape doesn't fail.
[chuckles]
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♪ ♪
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Well, hello.
- Oh.
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- Yeah.
- Get a shot of that.
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- Yep, that's him.
That's our guy.
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- How you doin' fam?
- All right.
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- Tami sent us a photo
of the best friend
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Jessica's suspicious of,
and I think that's her.
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- Let's check it out.
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- [bleep]
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[bleep], oh, my god!
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- Did you hear what he just
said?
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- Yes!
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[both chuckle]
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- Even their friends think
they look cute together.
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[Liza giggles]
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- Look how tender
he is with her.
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- He is.
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- I think that we need to get
a little bit more.
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It's good, but it's not enough.
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This--there's no crime in that.
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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We got him. Eyes on him.
- Here we go.
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Let's go.
- And we're movin'.
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- Seatbelt.
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Not knowing where he's going,
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we just gotta stay tight--
tight on him.
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It's a cute neighborhood.
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Guess this is where you take
your honey.
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He's parking,
so I'll grab up here.
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- All right.
And then I'll go on foot, yeah?
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- You got audio feed? You got
visual?
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- Yeah.
- All right.
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What'd you bring?
What do you have?
252
00:10:01,342 --> 00:10:02,911
- I got my cross camera.
253
00:10:04,412 --> 00:10:05,713
I love this thing.
254
00:10:05,713 --> 00:10:07,749
It's my favorite piece
of jewelry.
255
00:10:07,749 --> 00:10:09,050
- Here we go.
[car door closes]
256
00:10:10,618 --> 00:10:12,253
- He just crossed the street.
257
00:10:12,253 --> 00:10:14,722
- He's going into a boutique.
Stand by.
258
00:10:15,423 --> 00:10:17,825
It's the boutique with
the white painted brick.
259
00:10:19,194 --> 00:10:21,462
- 'Kay, he's in this store
right here.
260
00:10:21,462 --> 00:10:22,697
I'm going in.
261
00:10:22,697 --> 00:10:25,767
- I got you.
[door creaks, slams]
262
00:10:25,767 --> 00:10:28,303
- Yeah, it [indistinct]
263
00:10:28,303 --> 00:10:30,538
- You like it?
264
00:10:30,538 --> 00:10:31,940
You should keep looking,
though.
265
00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:03,805
- They just left
the clothing store.
266
00:11:03,805 --> 00:11:04,839
- Yeah, I see them.
267
00:11:04,839 --> 00:11:08,000
♪ ♪
268
00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:08,076
♪ ♪
269
00:11:08,076 --> 00:11:10,378
Patrice, do you have 'em?
270
00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:13,748
- Stand by. I have them
crossing another street.
271
00:11:13,748 --> 00:11:15,316
- Copy that.
You stay with them
272
00:11:15,316 --> 00:11:18,286
and I'm gonna find a place
to put the car.
273
00:11:18,286 --> 00:11:20,855
- And this is gonna be
a while.
274
00:11:20,855 --> 00:11:21,956
And so we wait.
275
00:11:32,367 --> 00:11:35,103
[notifications chiming]
276
00:11:54,822 --> 00:11:57,392
♪ ♪
277
00:12:01,729 --> 00:12:04,499
- Dude.
- Dude. It's done.
278
00:12:04,499 --> 00:12:07,969
They are in love. Period.
I'm telling you right now.
279
00:12:07,969 --> 00:12:09,570
Jessica will know, the--
- What? What?
280
00:12:09,570 --> 00:12:11,906
- It's not even, like,
making out or the kissing.
281
00:12:11,906 --> 00:12:14,976
It's the words.
They--they're in love.
282
00:12:14,976 --> 00:12:17,412
- This one's gonna hurt.
This one's gonna hurt.
283
00:12:19,347 --> 00:12:21,249
- We followed Evan to
a dive bar.
284
00:12:21,249 --> 00:12:24,185
- He posted this on his IG,
so we know he's here.
285
00:12:24,185 --> 00:12:27,689
- We're gonna go in and get
some surveillance inside.
286
00:12:27,689 --> 00:12:29,090
So I've got the necklace cam.
287
00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:30,525
Try to get on video
what I can't get
288
00:12:30,525 --> 00:12:31,893
on the necklace cam.
- No. I got--I got your back.
289
00:12:31,893 --> 00:12:33,061
- All right.
- I got your back.
290
00:12:33,061 --> 00:12:34,295
- Find him,
sidle up next to him,
291
00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:35,663
and see what I can get
out of him.
292
00:12:35,663 --> 00:12:37,665
If it doesn't look good
to make contact, I won't.
293
00:12:37,665 --> 00:12:39,167
But I'm hoping that
it's a situation
294
00:12:39,167 --> 00:12:40,835
where I can do that
and it'll be natural.
295
00:12:40,835 --> 00:12:43,404
- We got this. Get him.
296
00:12:53,348 --> 00:12:55,116
- No, you're too clean
to paint.
297
00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:01,022
[FaceTime ringing]
298
00:13:25,313 --> 00:13:26,848
- Mm.
299
00:13:52,473 --> 00:13:55,376
[hip-hop music]
300
00:13:56,978 --> 00:13:58,279
- How are you?
- Good. How are you?
301
00:13:58,279 --> 00:13:59,514
- Good to see you again.
- Thank you. You too.
302
00:13:59,514 --> 00:14:00,715
- Please have a seat.
303
00:14:00,715 --> 00:14:04,685
This gentleman right here
is Mr. Ken.
304
00:14:04,685 --> 00:14:05,953
- Hi.
- Hello. How are you?
305
00:14:05,953 --> 00:14:07,188
- Good. How are you?
- Great to meet you.
306
00:14:07,188 --> 00:14:10,024
- He's here as
my relationship expert.
307
00:14:10,024 --> 00:14:12,393
Now, this footage
I just received this morning.
308
00:14:12,393 --> 00:14:17,064
And Coach Ken here
is going to help you
309
00:14:17,064 --> 00:14:20,802
in the event you see something
that you don't like.
310
00:14:20,802 --> 00:14:23,371
- Okay.
- Okay? Here we go.
311
00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,542
So you gave us the address
of the studio
312
00:14:27,542 --> 00:14:29,310
where Evan usually frequents,
313
00:14:29,310 --> 00:14:32,947
and so our investigation team
went there.
314
00:14:32,947 --> 00:14:34,248
That's him with the blue hair,
correct?
315
00:14:34,248 --> 00:14:36,150
- Mm-hmm.
- All right.
316
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:39,020
- But that redhead.
Is that Liza?
317
00:14:39,020 --> 00:14:40,588
- I think so.
- Okay.
318
00:14:40,588 --> 00:14:42,824
So she arrived at the studio.
319
00:14:42,824 --> 00:14:45,560
This is the studio.
320
00:14:47,662 --> 00:14:49,163
- Yeah, dude, incredible.
321
00:14:52,033 --> 00:14:55,503
- [laughs]
Oh, really?
322
00:14:55,503 --> 00:14:56,471
Wow.
323
00:15:01,275 --> 00:15:03,044
- He's so aggressive. Right?
324
00:15:03,044 --> 00:15:04,812
He's always the person
who initiates contact.
325
00:15:04,812 --> 00:15:05,913
- Right.
- Yes.
326
00:15:05,913 --> 00:15:08,015
- And that's how he treats me.
327
00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:22,997
- The "forever alone
single life" is hard for him,
328
00:15:22,997 --> 00:15:25,066
but he's supposed to be in
a relationship with you?
329
00:15:25,066 --> 00:15:28,135
- Like, she's the only one
that I wasn't sure
330
00:15:28,135 --> 00:15:29,871
why she acted like
I didn't exist
331
00:15:29,871 --> 00:15:31,372
when she was around.
- Okay.
332
00:15:31,372 --> 00:15:34,075
- And he literally says
the same things
333
00:15:34,075 --> 00:15:35,576
to both of us.
334
00:15:35,576 --> 00:15:37,545
- We kept following Evan,
335
00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:40,515
and this is
who he meets up with.
336
00:15:40,515 --> 00:15:42,083
Liza.
337
00:15:42,083 --> 00:15:45,186
And they, quite honestly,
spent a day of shopping
338
00:15:45,186 --> 00:15:48,856
and hanging out
and spending time together.
339
00:15:52,326 --> 00:15:54,862
- We've been recently talking
about getting a tattoo, too.
340
00:15:54,862 --> 00:15:55,963
[chuckles]
- Really?
341
00:15:55,963 --> 00:15:57,031
- Yup.
- Mm.
342
00:15:57,031 --> 00:15:58,165
- And he always
makes this joke,
343
00:15:58,165 --> 00:16:00,368
"I'm gonna get your name
on my knuckles."
344
00:16:00,368 --> 00:16:01,636
- Oh, wow.
345
00:16:04,105 --> 00:16:05,606
- Oh, my God.
You're kidding me!
346
00:16:05,606 --> 00:16:06,874
You're [bleep] kidding.
347
00:16:06,874 --> 00:16:08,643
- [chuckles]
- You're [bleep] kidding!
348
00:16:08,643 --> 00:16:11,779
Like, it's never-ending
with this guy.
349
00:16:11,779 --> 00:16:14,882
My freakin' God.
350
00:16:31,566 --> 00:16:36,404
- [sniffles]
"Really cute. So cute."
351
00:16:36,404 --> 00:16:38,472
- He made his way
to the tattoo shop.
352
00:16:44,912 --> 00:16:46,047
- Yeah?
353
00:16:48,849 --> 00:16:50,585
- She said, "I love you."
354
00:16:50,585 --> 00:16:54,956
And then they actually get
matching tattoos.
355
00:16:54,956 --> 00:16:56,424
- I wanna throw up.
[chuckles]
356
00:16:57,959 --> 00:17:00,328
- We followed him...
357
00:17:00,328 --> 00:17:04,098
and he ended up at a bar.
358
00:17:04,098 --> 00:17:07,501
That woman that's sitting
with him is our decoy.
359
00:17:07,501 --> 00:17:10,438
And she was able to get him
talking about the two of you.
360
00:17:10,438 --> 00:17:11,839
- Is he on the phone
with Liza?
361
00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,008
- Yes. Liza FaceTimed him.
362
00:17:16,844 --> 00:17:18,279
- Mm.
363
00:17:19,013 --> 00:17:20,681
- Wow, I exist.
364
00:17:26,454 --> 00:17:27,455
- [groans]
365
00:17:33,027 --> 00:17:34,195
- Yeah.
366
00:17:41,235 --> 00:17:43,437
- Mm-mm.
- Wow.
367
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,542
- So now you've seen it all,
368
00:17:48,542 --> 00:17:50,911
how does all of that
make you feel?
369
00:17:50,911 --> 00:17:56,217
- I feel really stupid that
I expected better. [chuckles]
370
00:17:56,217 --> 00:17:57,585
That's what I feel stupid
about.
371
00:17:57,585 --> 00:18:01,656
I'm not surprised.
And I just feel really dumb.
372
00:18:01,656 --> 00:18:04,792
- The truth is, I don't believe
he was putting on an act
373
00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:07,795
when he was telling you
he felt the way that he did.
374
00:18:07,795 --> 00:18:11,499
There is a tremendous need
for connection in him.
375
00:18:11,499 --> 00:18:14,769
He lost his mother
and maybe he feels like
376
00:18:14,769 --> 00:18:17,705
that I need to connect
because I lost this part of me.
377
00:18:17,705 --> 00:18:20,141
He did it with you. He's like,
"I'm gonna go overboard
378
00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:22,309
to connect, to connect,
to connect,"
379
00:18:22,309 --> 00:18:25,246
because he felt like that
you could help him through
380
00:18:25,246 --> 00:18:26,681
these stages of grief.
381
00:18:26,681 --> 00:18:30,985
Now, he might not have been
as emotionally connected
382
00:18:30,985 --> 00:18:34,121
as you thought he was
because of the shared trauma.
383
00:18:34,121 --> 00:18:36,057
But he still needs
that connection.
384
00:18:36,057 --> 00:18:38,526
You--you cannot
beat yourself up.
385
00:18:38,526 --> 00:18:41,696
You gotta be kind to yourself
because the truth is,
386
00:18:41,696 --> 00:18:46,300
all of us, in our life at some
point, have felt betrayed.
387
00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:48,469
- So this is how it goes.
388
00:18:48,469 --> 00:18:51,000
You can sit down with Liza
389
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:51,205
You can sit down with Liza
390
00:18:51,205 --> 00:18:53,340
and you guys
have a conversation.
391
00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:55,209
Then you guys team up
392
00:18:55,209 --> 00:18:57,611
and go speak with Evan
together.
393
00:18:57,611 --> 00:19:03,250
Or do you want to catch
both of them in the act
394
00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:07,688
and do what we call around here
a takedown?
395
00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,858
- I wanna meet with her,
just the two of us.
396
00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:13,327
I think I've seen enough of
them together.
397
00:19:13,327 --> 00:19:15,863
I don't--if she doesn't know,
then she doesn't know.
398
00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:17,431
Like, why should I...
399
00:19:17,431 --> 00:19:18,666
make her a part of that?
- Right.
400
00:19:18,666 --> 00:19:20,334
- The roles could have
been reversed.
401
00:19:20,334 --> 00:19:21,335
She could have been the one
that came to you
402
00:19:21,335 --> 00:19:22,336
that knew about me first.
403
00:19:22,336 --> 00:19:23,504
You know?
- Right.
404
00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:24,939
And I'm happy to
hear you say that
405
00:19:24,939 --> 00:19:27,608
because sometimes
the other woman doesn't know.
406
00:19:27,608 --> 00:19:30,778
I will get
my investigation team
407
00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:32,847
back on the case.
408
00:19:32,847 --> 00:19:35,015
From this footage,
we kind of feel like
409
00:19:35,015 --> 00:19:38,018
there's some, you know, mo--
410
00:19:38,018 --> 00:19:39,153
something inside of him...
- Right.
411
00:19:39,153 --> 00:19:41,489
- Where he wants to be
with Liza.
412
00:19:41,489 --> 00:19:43,190
But we still don't know
413
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:45,392
if there's anything physical
going on.
414
00:19:45,392 --> 00:19:48,095
So once we find her location,
415
00:19:48,095 --> 00:19:50,197
Ken and I will come and
scoop you up
416
00:19:50,197 --> 00:19:52,767
and take you so that you can
have a conversation with her.
417
00:19:52,767 --> 00:19:55,469
And then you ladies need
to go talk to him.
418
00:19:55,469 --> 00:19:57,638
'Cause I'm gonna get
the truth for you.
419
00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:03,427
- ♪ Don't call me up ♪
420
00:20:03,427 --> 00:20:05,329
♪ When you're looking
at my photos ♪
421
00:20:05,329 --> 00:20:07,598
♪ You're getting hot,
losing control ♪
422
00:20:07,598 --> 00:20:09,500
♪ And I know you said ♪
423
00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,635
♪ That I'd changed
with my cold heart ♪
424
00:20:11,635 --> 00:20:13,204
- Thank you, Ken.
425
00:20:13,204 --> 00:20:15,072
- My pleasure.
We got work to do.
426
00:20:15,072 --> 00:20:16,440
- Yes, we do.
427
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,243
So my investigation team
let me know that
428
00:20:19,243 --> 00:20:21,078
Liza was getting off work.
429
00:20:21,078 --> 00:20:23,381
I hit Jessica up,
so she knows we're on the way.
430
00:20:23,381 --> 00:20:24,715
- I just--you know,
431
00:20:24,715 --> 00:20:27,718
she's such a--
just a sweet spirit, though.
432
00:20:27,718 --> 00:20:31,589
And sometimes
the sweetest spirits
433
00:20:31,589 --> 00:20:33,724
are the ones
that get hurt the most.
434
00:20:33,724 --> 00:20:35,626
- The most, yes.
435
00:20:35,626 --> 00:20:37,728
- Yeah, that's her.
There she is.
436
00:20:37,728 --> 00:20:40,264
- Oh, damn.
Jessica wearing
437
00:20:40,264 --> 00:20:41,832
her takedown outfit.
438
00:20:41,832 --> 00:20:44,101
Oh, well, wh--
what's happened here?
439
00:20:44,101 --> 00:20:45,569
You switched it up.
440
00:20:45,569 --> 00:20:47,738
Now you giving me
bad bitch vibes.
441
00:20:48,873 --> 00:20:51,208
Okay. We got the call,
Ken and I,
442
00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:53,744
from our private investigators.
443
00:20:53,744 --> 00:20:55,146
Liza's at work
444
00:20:55,146 --> 00:20:57,047
and she's supposed to be
getting off shortly,
445
00:20:57,047 --> 00:20:59,483
so we're gonna go meet her
446
00:20:59,483 --> 00:21:02,319
as soon as she exits
the building.
447
00:21:02,319 --> 00:21:05,990
You are going to ask
this woman,
448
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:08,492
in a noncombative way,
449
00:21:08,492 --> 00:21:11,362
all of the questions
you need answers to.
450
00:21:11,362 --> 00:21:14,498
- You wanna tell her first
the emotional connection
451
00:21:14,498 --> 00:21:17,101
and the type of relationship
that you have with Evan.
452
00:21:17,101 --> 00:21:19,303
And the first question
needs to be,
453
00:21:19,303 --> 00:21:22,106
"Did you know that Evan and I
454
00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:24,842
are in a committed
relationship?"
455
00:21:24,842 --> 00:21:31,182
♪ ♪
456
00:21:31,182 --> 00:21:33,417
Okay. Here she comes.
457
00:21:33,417 --> 00:21:34,585
- You ready?
- All right.
458
00:21:34,585 --> 00:21:37,288
- Here we go.
- We got you, all right?
459
00:21:47,465 --> 00:21:49,300
- What are these cameras for?
460
00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:51,168
- Hey, can I talk to you
real quick?
461
00:21:51,168 --> 00:21:52,303
- Do I know you?
462
00:21:52,303 --> 00:21:53,804
- Yeah, we've met before.
463
00:21:53,804 --> 00:21:55,840
I'm guessing
you don't recognize me.
464
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,876
But I wanted to talk to you
because I'm starting to feel
465
00:21:58,876 --> 00:22:02,379
really concerned about
my relationship with Evan.
466
00:22:02,379 --> 00:22:03,781
And I know that
you two are close...
467
00:22:03,781 --> 00:22:06,784
- Wait, I'm so sorry.
Evan, like, E-Stro?
468
00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:09,687
- Yes.
- Like, forever alone E-Stro?
469
00:22:09,687 --> 00:22:11,922
- Yes. So he and I have been
in a relationship
470
00:22:11,922 --> 00:22:14,258
for about a year.
471
00:22:14,258 --> 00:22:16,293
I've met you before
at a couple parties.
472
00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:17,428
- I'm so sorry,
I don't recognize you.
473
00:22:17,428 --> 00:22:19,430
- But with--it's okay.
- [scoffs]
474
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:20,798
Not "I don't recognize her."
- "I recognize you."
475
00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:22,299
- How come you don't know
about me?
476
00:22:22,299 --> 00:22:23,701
That's--wouldn't that...
- That--that--
477
00:22:23,701 --> 00:22:25,269
- Make you feel weird?
- That's a great question.
478
00:22:25,269 --> 00:22:27,071
I would love to know
the same thing.
479
00:22:27,071 --> 00:22:28,672
I am actually pretty upset
480
00:22:28,672 --> 00:22:31,041
at the fact that
I don't know about you.
481
00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:32,443
We kind of talk about
everything, I feel like,
482
00:22:32,443 --> 00:22:34,712
so this is, like...
483
00:22:34,712 --> 00:22:36,747
[chuckles]
This is, like, crazy to me.
484
00:22:36,747 --> 00:22:38,816
- Well, I do have people
to help me.
485
00:22:38,816 --> 00:22:40,985
- I think--I think she--
I think she wants--
486
00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:43,487
- All right.
- I thought he would never want
487
00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:45,222
to be in a relationship,
so this is...
488
00:22:45,222 --> 00:22:46,824
- Hello.
- Hello.
489
00:22:46,824 --> 00:22:49,026
- My name is Tami Roman.
- Okay.
490
00:22:49,026 --> 00:22:51,262
And you are on a show called
491
00:22:51,262 --> 00:22:52,830
"Caught in the Act:
Unfaithful."
492
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:55,733
- Okay.
- Because Jessica came to us
493
00:22:55,733 --> 00:22:57,968
with concerns about
her relationship with Evan.
494
00:22:57,968 --> 00:23:01,605
We have had him
under surveillance
495
00:23:01,605 --> 00:23:04,675
and we found out that
he's been involved with you.
496
00:23:04,675 --> 00:23:08,512
- Yes.
- So that is why she's here.
497
00:23:08,512 --> 00:23:10,714
- Are you in love with him?
498
00:23:10,714 --> 00:23:12,816
- Um, I did not know
he has a girlfriend.
499
00:23:12,816 --> 00:23:14,285
I do love him.
500
00:23:14,285 --> 00:23:16,787
But I hope you know, I've never
done anything with Evan.
501
00:23:16,787 --> 00:23:18,622
When we started
making music together,
502
00:23:18,622 --> 00:23:20,991
we made a vow to each other
that we would never date
503
00:23:20,991 --> 00:23:25,296
'cause we didn't want that to
get in the way of our music.
504
00:23:25,296 --> 00:23:27,731
- Has Evan ever talked about
505
00:23:27,731 --> 00:23:30,634
wanting to be in
a relationship with you?
506
00:23:30,634 --> 00:23:32,603
- He is a little bit
flirty with me.
507
00:23:32,603 --> 00:23:34,905
And he does say, you know, uh,
508
00:23:34,905 --> 00:23:37,608
if he's gonna be with anyone
then it's gonna be me.
509
00:23:37,608 --> 00:23:40,411
But he's forever alone.
So that's why I'm so confused
510
00:23:40,411 --> 00:23:42,680
at the fact that
he does have a girlfriend.
511
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,582
But I...
512
00:23:44,582 --> 00:23:47,051
I--I thought he was single.
Like, he acts single.
513
00:23:47,051 --> 00:23:50,621
He's very, you know, flirty
and very outgoing.
514
00:23:50,621 --> 00:23:52,056
And he is--
- From woman to woman,
515
00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:54,091
if you were me...
- Uh-huh.
516
00:23:54,091 --> 00:23:56,293
- Do you feel like
what he's doing with you
517
00:23:56,293 --> 00:23:57,895
is cheating on me?
518
00:24:02,892 --> 00:24:06,029
[tense music]
519
00:24:06,729 --> 00:24:08,865
- From woman to woman,
if you were me...
520
00:24:08,865 --> 00:24:10,099
- Uh-huh.
521
00:24:10,099 --> 00:24:12,235
- Do you feel like
what he's doing with you
522
00:24:12,235 --> 00:24:14,103
is cheating on me?
523
00:24:14,103 --> 00:24:19,108
♪ ♪
524
00:24:19,108 --> 00:24:20,543
- Yeah.
525
00:24:20,543 --> 00:24:22,612
- I'm at the point where
I can't take it anymore.
526
00:24:22,612 --> 00:24:24,147
- I would be just as upset
as you are.
527
00:24:24,147 --> 00:24:27,617
I've been cheated on.
I've been the side chick.
528
00:24:27,617 --> 00:24:28,751
Didn't know that I was,
529
00:24:28,751 --> 00:24:30,019
and I got my heart broken
from that.
530
00:24:30,019 --> 00:24:31,554
So I couldn't imagine
531
00:24:31,554 --> 00:24:32,789
what you were going through,
seeing this.
532
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:35,758
- But I think guys need to
go speak
533
00:24:35,758 --> 00:24:38,294
to Evan together.
- Yeah, we do.
534
00:24:38,294 --> 00:24:41,831
- He hasn't really operated as
a best friend to you.
535
00:24:41,831 --> 00:24:43,299
- You're right.
- There's been secrecy.
536
00:24:43,299 --> 00:24:45,602
- That's what I'm upset about.
- There's been lying.
537
00:24:45,602 --> 00:24:48,738
- Yeah. He needs to be
confronted from you about that.
538
00:24:48,738 --> 00:24:50,773
- Are you willing to, like,
team up with me, though,
539
00:24:50,773 --> 00:24:52,942
and not just, like, go tell him
everything I'm doing?
540
00:24:52,942 --> 00:24:56,713
'Cause I would like you
to do this with me.
541
00:24:56,713 --> 00:24:58,014
- You know what?
There's a secret part of me
542
00:24:58,014 --> 00:24:59,515
that's always wanted
to team up with a girl
543
00:24:59,515 --> 00:25:00,917
and do this...
- [chuckles]
544
00:25:00,917 --> 00:25:02,652
- So I am very down.
545
00:25:02,652 --> 00:25:07,924
- So is there a way that
we can link up with Evan?
546
00:25:07,924 --> 00:25:10,727
- I have a studio session
with Evan tonight.
547
00:25:10,727 --> 00:25:12,195
- Now, is this the studio
548
00:25:12,195 --> 00:25:14,464
where you guys normally
go have sessions at?
549
00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:15,898
- Yeah.
- Perfect.
550
00:25:15,898 --> 00:25:17,033
- Well, let's go.
551
00:25:17,033 --> 00:25:21,371
♪ ♪
552
00:25:21,371 --> 00:25:24,374
[sly music]
553
00:25:24,374 --> 00:25:30,913
♪ ♪
554
00:25:30,913 --> 00:25:33,282
- We had
our investigation team
555
00:25:33,282 --> 00:25:35,752
come over and rewire the space
556
00:25:35,752 --> 00:25:36,819
so that we would be
able to see
557
00:25:36,819 --> 00:25:38,254
everything that was going on.
558
00:25:38,254 --> 00:25:41,858
Do you have how you want
to approach this situation
559
00:25:41,858 --> 00:25:44,661
worked out in your mind
when you see Evan?
560
00:25:44,661 --> 00:25:46,129
- I have this, like,
huge fear that
561
00:25:46,129 --> 00:25:48,898
he's just gonna straight up
be, like, acting like
562
00:25:48,898 --> 00:25:51,234
I don't exist or something.
- Mm-hmm.
563
00:25:51,234 --> 00:25:52,468
- I want her to see that
564
00:25:52,468 --> 00:25:54,003
I'm not, like,
making this [bleep] up.
565
00:25:54,003 --> 00:25:56,506
- We want to make sure that
when you walk away from
566
00:25:56,506 --> 00:25:59,909
this interaction,
that you are confident about
567
00:25:59,909 --> 00:26:03,780
who you are, who they are,
and where you wanna go with it.
568
00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:05,882
- We can actually peek in
569
00:26:05,882 --> 00:26:08,618
to what's happening
in the studio now.
570
00:26:08,618 --> 00:26:10,253
- I wanna see.
571
00:26:10,253 --> 00:26:11,788
- Okay.
572
00:26:11,788 --> 00:26:14,490
- ♪ When I say that
I love you ♪
573
00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:16,859
♪ I know that I do ♪
574
00:26:16,859 --> 00:26:18,895
♪ But I just do not see ♪
575
00:26:18,895 --> 00:26:21,664
- This is the song
he wrote for me.
576
00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,800
Is he telling her
it's about her now?
577
00:26:50,059 --> 00:26:52,161
- I feel like you--
it's time for you to go in
578
00:26:52,161 --> 00:26:53,529
and address both of them.
579
00:26:53,529 --> 00:26:54,731
Are you ready?
580
00:26:54,731 --> 00:26:56,332
- Let's go to work.
581
00:26:56,332 --> 00:26:57,734
- Just know that we'll be here.
582
00:26:57,734 --> 00:26:59,502
And if you need me,
I'll be right in.
583
00:27:08,578 --> 00:27:11,681
♪ ♪
584
00:27:11,681 --> 00:27:12,949
Oh, [bleep].
585
00:27:22,024 --> 00:27:23,259
- [sighs]
586
00:27:23,259 --> 00:27:24,627
- What are you doing here?
587
00:27:24,627 --> 00:27:26,162
- Why don't you let Liza know
who I am first?
588
00:27:26,162 --> 00:27:28,631
- [sighs] Y'all really be,
uh, doing this?
589
00:27:28,631 --> 00:27:30,199
- You're gonna treat me like
I don't exist
590
00:27:30,199 --> 00:27:33,002
after I watched footage of you
disrespecting what we have.
591
00:27:33,002 --> 00:27:34,937
You're not even gonna look
at me?
592
00:27:34,937 --> 00:27:36,973
- Look, my head is [bleep].
593
00:27:36,973 --> 00:27:38,841
- Did you think I would
feel this way?
594
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:43,112
- Look, I'm sorry to
both of you at this point.
595
00:27:43,112 --> 00:27:44,514
I didn't know that
I was gonna be walking into
596
00:27:44,514 --> 00:27:45,815
the [bleep] atom bomb
right here.
597
00:27:45,815 --> 00:27:47,450
- You did this to yourself!
598
00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:49,452
- Yeah, I guess I did.
- You literally made your bed.
599
00:27:49,452 --> 00:27:50,920
- Child, let's get all up
in here.
600
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,922
- All right. Let's go to work.
601
00:27:52,922 --> 00:27:56,058
- You're in love with her.
Why don't you just say it?
602
00:27:56,058 --> 00:27:57,827
[dramatic music]
603
00:28:02,341 --> 00:28:03,942
- ♪ One, two, three, wop ♪
604
00:28:03,942 --> 00:28:06,211
♪ Everything I said
went right over your head ♪
605
00:28:06,645 --> 00:28:08,514
- You did this to yourself.
606
00:28:08,514 --> 00:28:10,315
- Yeah, I guess I did.
- You literally made your bed.
607
00:28:10,315 --> 00:28:11,950
- My head is [bleep] up.
- You're in love with her.
608
00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:13,719
Why don't you just say it?
- What are you talking about?
609
00:28:13,719 --> 00:28:15,020
- I saw on camera.
610
00:28:16,488 --> 00:28:17,956
- Hello, hello, hello.
611
00:28:17,956 --> 00:28:19,691
- Hi.
- How are you?
612
00:28:19,691 --> 00:28:20,959
- Not the greatest
at this very second.
613
00:28:20,959 --> 00:28:22,594
- I can imagine.
- Yeah.
614
00:28:22,594 --> 00:28:24,596
- Uh, Evan, I know who you are.
615
00:28:24,596 --> 00:28:26,565
My name is Tami Roman.
616
00:28:26,565 --> 00:28:29,434
This is my dear friend
Coach Ken.
617
00:28:29,434 --> 00:28:31,436
And you are on a show called
618
00:28:31,436 --> 00:28:32,938
"Caught in the Act:
Unfaithful."
619
00:28:32,938 --> 00:28:35,173
- [bleep].
- Jessica came to us
620
00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:37,142
because she thought there was
some infidelity.
621
00:28:37,142 --> 00:28:39,444
The intimacy wasn't there
like it had been.
622
00:28:39,444 --> 00:28:41,747
And she wanted to check
and find out the truth.
623
00:28:41,747 --> 00:28:43,949
We did surveillance, okay?
- I understand.
624
00:28:43,949 --> 00:28:47,953
- And we found that you were
frolicking around town
625
00:28:47,953 --> 00:28:50,022
with this young lady, Liza.
- Yes.
626
00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:52,724
- We actually sent
a decoy into the bar
627
00:28:52,724 --> 00:28:54,293
to have a conversation
with you.
628
00:28:54,293 --> 00:28:55,694
- [sighs]
Oh, man.
629
00:28:55,694 --> 00:28:58,730
- And that person asked you
several questions...
630
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:59,765
- Mm-hmm.
- To which--
631
00:28:59,765 --> 00:29:02,067
one of them specifically being,
632
00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:06,004
"if there was one person
who had my back, who I love,
633
00:29:06,004 --> 00:29:08,173
"who I'd want to spend
the rest of my life with,
634
00:29:08,173 --> 00:29:09,575
who would that be?"
635
00:29:09,575 --> 00:29:11,877
You said it's Liza.
636
00:29:12,477 --> 00:29:14,212
- I said that?
- You did.
637
00:29:14,212 --> 00:29:16,949
- I was very drunk.
I know that much.
638
00:29:16,949 --> 00:29:19,151
- Now, what we not gonna do
is blame it on the alcohol.
639
00:29:19,151 --> 00:29:21,019
- I'm not blaming it
on the alcohol.
640
00:29:21,019 --> 00:29:23,889
My life is crazy. I'm torn.
I love 'em both.
641
00:29:23,889 --> 00:29:25,457
I'm so focused on this music,
642
00:29:25,457 --> 00:29:27,225
and maybe I'm losing myself.
- What about my feelings?
643
00:29:27,225 --> 00:29:28,827
- Your feelings mean
everything to me.
644
00:29:28,827 --> 00:29:30,796
But we--like, Jess,
we barely hang out.
645
00:29:30,796 --> 00:29:32,030
Like, what do you want from me?
Like--
646
00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:34,800
- Stop acting like
I don't exist!
647
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,035
Like it's not a thing.
- [sighs]
648
00:29:37,035 --> 00:29:39,171
- This is, like,
super awkward for me.
649
00:29:39,171 --> 00:29:41,306
I feel like a side chick
almost.
650
00:29:41,306 --> 00:29:42,641
- [bleep].
651
00:29:42,641 --> 00:29:43,775
That's the last thing
I ever wanted
652
00:29:43,775 --> 00:29:45,677
to make you feel like.
- Mm-hmm.
653
00:29:45,677 --> 00:29:47,212
- Because--
- 'Cause now that
654
00:29:47,212 --> 00:29:49,848
her feelings are hurt,
but my feelings... [chuckles]
655
00:29:49,848 --> 00:29:52,384
- So what we're here to do
in this moment
656
00:29:52,384 --> 00:29:53,785
is be able to provide
657
00:29:53,785 --> 00:29:56,054
both of these ladies
with some truth.
658
00:29:56,054 --> 00:29:57,389
- Yeah.
659
00:29:57,389 --> 00:30:00,058
I think I'm meant to be alone
at this point.
660
00:30:00,058 --> 00:30:01,927
This whole situation
makes me realize that.
661
00:30:01,927 --> 00:30:03,762
I have this tattooed
on my wedding finger.
662
00:30:03,762 --> 00:30:05,697
I'm forever alone.
- I have a problem, though.
663
00:30:05,697 --> 00:30:08,834
You use the "forever alone"
as a tool.
664
00:30:08,834 --> 00:30:12,104
You use it as a tool to
get women engaged in you.
665
00:30:12,104 --> 00:30:14,039
- That is not true at all.
- No, I'm not saying
666
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:15,307
that you're doing it
consciously.
667
00:30:15,307 --> 00:30:17,009
But what you are doing
consciously,
668
00:30:17,009 --> 00:30:19,378
you are hurting people
in the process.
669
00:30:19,378 --> 00:30:23,515
Now, it may come from
a place of need. I get that.
670
00:30:23,515 --> 00:30:24,716
But we've got to
acknowledge that.
671
00:30:24,716 --> 00:30:26,051
- Yeah.
- Let met talk to you.
672
00:30:26,051 --> 00:30:27,519
I wanna talk to you one-on-one.
673
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:28,820
- And I'd like to
talk to you.
674
00:30:30,055 --> 00:30:31,890
- I do think
I'm meant to be alone.
675
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:33,925
I--I hurt people
when I get in relationships.
676
00:30:33,925 --> 00:30:36,061
And I never meant to do that
to Jess, you know?
677
00:30:36,061 --> 00:30:37,996
I didn't physically cheat
on her.
678
00:30:37,996 --> 00:30:39,765
Maybe I did emotionally.
679
00:30:39,765 --> 00:30:40,932
Like, that's...
- And that's--that's--
680
00:30:40,932 --> 00:30:42,367
- Maybe is worse.
- That's the point.
681
00:30:42,367 --> 00:30:44,703
Emotional cheating
is far greater than
682
00:30:44,703 --> 00:30:45,871
you just sticking it somewhere
683
00:30:45,871 --> 00:30:47,539
and going on
about your business.
684
00:30:47,539 --> 00:30:49,841
You connected with Liza.
- Yeah.
685
00:30:49,841 --> 00:30:52,244
- And that ultimately ended up
hurting Jess.
686
00:30:52,244 --> 00:30:56,214
Where you could have
sat her down
687
00:30:56,214 --> 00:30:58,617
and said--had this conversation
that we're having.
688
00:30:58,617 --> 00:31:01,787
'Cause it seems, like, really,
your head is somewhere else.
689
00:31:01,787 --> 00:31:03,088
- You know, ever since
I lost my mom,
690
00:31:03,088 --> 00:31:04,956
I live this reckless life.
691
00:31:04,956 --> 00:31:07,059
- And was your mom, like,
692
00:31:07,059 --> 00:31:09,995
a very poignant figure
in your life?
693
00:31:09,995 --> 00:31:11,196
- My mom was my biggest fan.
694
00:31:11,196 --> 00:31:12,798
We had the greatest
connection ever.
695
00:31:12,798 --> 00:31:15,400
She picked apart every lyric
of every song I ever made ever.
696
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,202
- Mm-hmm.
- That [bleep] me up, you know?
697
00:31:17,202 --> 00:31:19,404
Like, my mom, you know,
she was a heroin addict
698
00:31:19,404 --> 00:31:21,306
my whole life and
she finally got sober.
699
00:31:21,306 --> 00:31:22,941
And she relapsed and
asked me to come see her.
700
00:31:22,941 --> 00:31:24,910
And I was so mad at her,
I told her no.
701
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:27,679
So she went home
and took her life.
702
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:31,183
- I want you to understand that
you can't feel guilty
703
00:31:31,183 --> 00:31:34,786
about how things transpired
with your mom.
704
00:31:34,786 --> 00:31:37,089
- Yeah, I mean,
can you blame me, though?
705
00:31:37,089 --> 00:31:39,458
- But you can't continue to
feel guilty
706
00:31:39,458 --> 00:31:40,992
because of it.
- I know.
707
00:31:40,992 --> 00:31:42,694
And I can't be hurting
other people because of it.
708
00:31:42,694 --> 00:31:44,029
That's what I can't be doing,
like--
709
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:45,464
or what I shouldn't be doing.
710
00:31:45,464 --> 00:31:48,033
- You guys have formed
a codependency relationship
711
00:31:48,033 --> 00:31:51,103
where his victim mentality,
712
00:31:51,103 --> 00:31:52,604
"what I have gone through"--
713
00:31:52,604 --> 00:31:55,173
and you have to be there--
both of you have to be there
714
00:31:55,173 --> 00:31:57,909
to reach over and help him.
715
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:59,878
He sat here and said,
"I'm [bleep] up."
716
00:31:59,878 --> 00:32:01,446
You know, he told you,
"I love you.
717
00:32:01,446 --> 00:32:02,714
I've gotten close to you,"
718
00:32:02,714 --> 00:32:04,716
and neither one of you reacted.
719
00:32:04,716 --> 00:32:06,218
Neither one of you.
720
00:32:06,218 --> 00:32:08,620
But the question is, where
does that come from in you?
721
00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:10,455
- I've really known him
for so frickin' long.
722
00:32:10,455 --> 00:32:12,124
Like, I don't want to lose
that friendship.
723
00:32:12,124 --> 00:32:15,093
- Yeah.
- And I let him talk me into
724
00:32:15,093 --> 00:32:18,697
crossing that boundary,
with fear from the beginning
725
00:32:18,697 --> 00:32:20,031
that this was gonna be what
happened.
726
00:32:20,031 --> 00:32:21,600
- You want to avoid conflict.
727
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,769
"I know you just came
through some grief.
728
00:32:23,769 --> 00:32:25,470
"So let's keep this
above board.
729
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:26,671
"Let's keep this high level.
730
00:32:26,671 --> 00:32:28,106
And we're gonna keep
kickin' it."
731
00:32:28,106 --> 00:32:30,375
You know--you know what
that gets you?
732
00:32:30,375 --> 00:32:32,277
- Nowhere?
- That gets you pain.
733
00:32:32,277 --> 00:32:34,579
- I've dealt with
a lot of stuff, too,
734
00:32:34,579 --> 00:32:36,782
where I feel like...
735
00:32:36,782 --> 00:32:39,117
[voice breaking] I need to
be there for other people.
736
00:32:39,117 --> 00:32:41,486
And I know
he has gone through a lot,
737
00:32:41,486 --> 00:32:43,421
I know it's not fake but
738
00:32:43,421 --> 00:32:46,158
I think I just care
very deeply about people.
739
00:32:46,158 --> 00:32:47,459
- But, you know,
that keeps you broken too.
740
00:32:47,459 --> 00:32:48,994
- Yeah.
741
00:32:48,994 --> 00:32:50,428
- You know that, right?
- Mm-hmm.
742
00:32:50,428 --> 00:32:53,965
- And that part of you
needs to be helped
743
00:32:53,965 --> 00:32:55,534
so that you can be whole.
744
00:32:55,534 --> 00:32:58,203
Because this cycle
is going to continue
745
00:32:58,203 --> 00:33:00,772
whether it's Evan
or someone else.
746
00:33:00,772 --> 00:33:01,000
- Everything that I saw from
all the footage that I watched,
747
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,142
- Everything that I saw from
all the footage that I watched,
748
00:33:04,142 --> 00:33:05,977
the implication was
749
00:33:05,977 --> 00:33:08,847
that you wanted to
be with Liza.
750
00:33:08,847 --> 00:33:10,415
- And I'll be honest,
the last thing
751
00:33:10,415 --> 00:33:15,053
my mom told my family before
she took her life was, um,
752
00:33:15,053 --> 00:33:17,222
that I was gonna marry Liza.
753
00:33:17,222 --> 00:33:18,557
- Wow.
754
00:33:18,557 --> 00:33:20,992
That's deep.
- Yeah.
755
00:33:20,992 --> 00:33:22,861
Yeah. My heart's torn.
756
00:33:22,861 --> 00:33:25,030
I think you know what you feel
757
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:26,798
and you know
what's real to you.
758
00:33:26,798 --> 00:33:29,000
You're just scared to say it
759
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,204
because of the fact that
you just lost your mom
760
00:33:32,204 --> 00:33:34,372
in a way that was
very traumatic to you.
761
00:33:34,372 --> 00:33:36,441
And in the event
you walk in there,
762
00:33:36,441 --> 00:33:38,310
and you say to Liza,
763
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:40,312
"I wanna be with you,"
and she turns you down,
764
00:33:40,312 --> 00:33:41,913
that's gonna trigger you
and send you right back
765
00:33:41,913 --> 00:33:43,582
to that element of loss.
766
00:33:43,582 --> 00:33:46,384
- Maybe I refuse to believe it
or admit it,
767
00:33:46,384 --> 00:33:48,720
but you're not gonna get me
to have to choose one.
768
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,422
[dramatic music]
769
00:33:50,422 --> 00:33:52,524
- All right.
Let's go back in.
770
00:33:52,524 --> 00:33:57,462
♪ ♪
771
00:34:00,398 --> 00:34:03,068
Evan, I want you to have
a seat too.
772
00:34:03,068 --> 00:34:05,871
I was outside having
a conversation with Evan
773
00:34:05,871 --> 00:34:07,339
and I wanted to have
a dialogue.
774
00:34:07,339 --> 00:34:10,141
We're just gonna go
down the line
775
00:34:10,141 --> 00:34:12,611
until we get to Evan.
776
00:34:12,611 --> 00:34:13,778
- [scoffs]
777
00:34:13,778 --> 00:34:16,248
I understand, in your eyes,
778
00:34:16,248 --> 00:34:18,583
you don't feel you cheated.
779
00:34:18,583 --> 00:34:20,252
But...
780
00:34:20,252 --> 00:34:25,023
how could you expect me to feel
loved by you right now?
781
00:34:25,023 --> 00:34:26,625
- You're right.
782
00:34:26,625 --> 00:34:28,360
- You're not looking at me
in my eyes.
783
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,295
- When I look in your eyes, I
think of all of our experiences
784
00:34:30,295 --> 00:34:32,264
and all of our past [bleep]
and it's tough for me.
785
00:34:32,264 --> 00:34:33,798
That's the honest truth, so...
786
00:34:33,798 --> 00:34:35,267
- So I guess
it's just hard that
787
00:34:35,267 --> 00:34:39,104
he doesn't feel horrible that
he's pushing me away.
788
00:34:39,104 --> 00:34:41,406
- I do. Maybe it wasn't,
cheating, like, physically,
789
00:34:41,406 --> 00:34:43,842
but clearly,
I emotionally cheated.
790
00:34:43,842 --> 00:34:45,210
And in this situation,
791
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:47,445
it's probably worse than
physically cheating.
792
00:34:47,445 --> 00:34:51,549
- The biggest thing with me
is I just felt blindsided.
793
00:34:51,549 --> 00:34:53,685
We said, "We can never have
feelings for each other.
794
00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:56,087
We can never date,"
and I stuck to that promise.
795
00:34:56,087 --> 00:35:00,625
But you just being so flirty,
I guess, with me,
796
00:35:00,625 --> 00:35:02,260
and me looking back at that,
797
00:35:02,260 --> 00:35:05,764
knowing you had a girlfriend
hurts.
798
00:35:05,764 --> 00:35:10,035
- In a perfect world,
if you hadn't made that pact,
799
00:35:10,035 --> 00:35:12,037
would you be interested
in dating Evan
800
00:35:12,037 --> 00:35:14,506
if it wouldn't mess up
the music?
801
00:35:14,506 --> 00:35:15,907
- No.
802
00:35:15,907 --> 00:35:17,175
It's just hard--
it's hard for me
803
00:35:17,175 --> 00:35:20,111
to picture music without him,
and--but--
804
00:35:20,111 --> 00:35:24,049
this is all so crazy to me,
I don't...
805
00:35:24,049 --> 00:35:25,817
I don't know.
- I don't blame you for that.
806
00:35:25,817 --> 00:35:29,387
- And I think it needs time.
807
00:35:29,387 --> 00:35:34,492
- His mother,
before she passed...
808
00:35:34,492 --> 00:35:39,197
Said that he should marry Liza.
809
00:35:39,197 --> 00:35:41,866
I don't know if you knew that.
810
00:35:41,866 --> 00:35:43,535
- [sobs]
811
00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:49,616
[dramatic music]
812
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:53,787
- His mother,
before she passed,
813
00:35:53,787 --> 00:35:57,024
said that he should marry Liza.
814
00:35:57,024 --> 00:35:58,659
I don't know if you knew that.
815
00:36:02,629 --> 00:36:04,665
- [sobs]
816
00:36:04,665 --> 00:36:08,635
Like, I was just talking to him
about his mom recently
817
00:36:08,635 --> 00:36:11,939
and, like, telling him
how much she meant to me
818
00:36:11,939 --> 00:36:15,175
and wanting to, like,
819
00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:17,511
have him, like, talk about
how he feels about it,
820
00:36:17,511 --> 00:36:20,347
so that just hurts.
821
00:36:20,347 --> 00:36:22,182
- Because of your mom passing,
822
00:36:22,182 --> 00:36:25,018
is that the reason you tried
to connect with Liza?
823
00:36:25,018 --> 00:36:26,587
Was that the reason?
- No.
824
00:36:26,587 --> 00:36:28,322
They were both there for me
during the passing of my mom.
825
00:36:28,322 --> 00:36:30,224
Jessica was out of town,
so she helped me
826
00:36:30,224 --> 00:36:31,525
through texts
and through calls and [bleep].
827
00:36:31,525 --> 00:36:33,493
But the day that
my mom took her life,
828
00:36:33,493 --> 00:36:35,028
Liza showed up
at my house that day
829
00:36:35,028 --> 00:36:36,196
and was there for me.
830
00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:40,434
- You and Jess have
shared trauma.
831
00:36:40,434 --> 00:36:43,503
And a lot of times
when people have shared trauma,
832
00:36:43,503 --> 00:36:46,073
what it does,
it mistakes itself
833
00:36:46,073 --> 00:36:48,141
as compatibility and love.
834
00:36:48,141 --> 00:36:51,078
So I wanna know,
do you truly love this woman,
835
00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:54,081
not because she was there
during the shared trauma,
836
00:36:54,081 --> 00:36:55,582
but because of who she is?
837
00:36:55,582 --> 00:36:57,517
- I do. I love 'em both.
838
00:36:57,517 --> 00:36:58,952
I'm [bleep] torn.
839
00:36:58,952 --> 00:37:00,554
Like, I don't know what else
to [bleep] tell you guys.
840
00:37:00,554 --> 00:37:03,190
Like, I'm--
I didn't expect an ambush here.
841
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:05,325
But, you know,
I'm the first person to
842
00:37:05,325 --> 00:37:06,593
admit when I [bleep] up,
843
00:37:06,593 --> 00:37:07,995
and every time
I'm in a relationship,
844
00:37:07,995 --> 00:37:09,196
I hurt someone.
845
00:37:09,196 --> 00:37:10,897
"Forever alone" is not
a cop-out.
846
00:37:10,897 --> 00:37:12,299
And I can promise you that
I'm looking you in the eyes
847
00:37:12,299 --> 00:37:13,567
and tell you that maybe
848
00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:15,202
our paths are headed
separate ways,
849
00:37:15,202 --> 00:37:16,803
but you've been
my friend forever
850
00:37:16,803 --> 00:37:18,105
and I wanna be there.
851
00:37:18,105 --> 00:37:20,574
- Like, it's definitely done.
852
00:37:20,574 --> 00:37:22,709
[dramatic music]
853
00:37:22,709 --> 00:37:23,910
So I gotta go,
854
00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:25,345
because I don't want to
keep crying.
855
00:37:25,345 --> 00:37:27,814
Like, I've been crying
this whole time.
856
00:37:27,814 --> 00:37:29,516
Okay?
- Yeah.
857
00:37:29,516 --> 00:37:30,617
- Okay.
858
00:37:34,354 --> 00:37:37,991
Evan and I just broke up
859
00:37:37,991 --> 00:37:41,328
and I feel...
860
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:44,898
Deceived.
861
00:37:44,898 --> 00:37:48,669
And it's just hard to
continue on like that.
862
00:37:48,669 --> 00:37:51,138
And so I'm relieved,
at the same time,
863
00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:55,375
to wake up and start over now,
864
00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:58,578
feel better.
865
00:37:58,578 --> 00:38:00,314
- I still really care
about Evan.
866
00:38:00,314 --> 00:38:03,417
And I probably shouldn't be
feeling this way,
867
00:38:03,417 --> 00:38:06,420
but, like, seeing him
hurt today hurts me still.
868
00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:11,124
And, um, I still want to make
music with him, honestly.
869
00:38:11,124 --> 00:38:14,261
Um, it just--
it's a lot of emotion.
870
00:38:14,695 --> 00:38:17,497
- I don't blame Jess nor Eliza
for what they did.
871
00:38:17,497 --> 00:38:19,499
I'm the one here
that [bleep] up.
872
00:38:19,499 --> 00:38:21,668
And to Jess, um,
873
00:38:21,668 --> 00:38:24,571
I'm apologizing to her
for not expressing that
874
00:38:24,571 --> 00:38:28,542
maybe I did have some more
feelings for Eliza and that--
875
00:38:28,542 --> 00:38:31,411
that I saw us drifting away
as well
876
00:38:31,411 --> 00:38:34,915
and just couldn't
get myself to admit it.
877
00:38:34,915 --> 00:38:42,055
♪ ♪
878
00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,561
[Harlu & Savannah Hannah's
"Damage Control"]
879
00:38:47,561 --> 00:38:49,196
- ♪ I get green like spinach ♪
880
00:38:49,196 --> 00:38:50,364
♪ Drink my Guinness ♪
881
00:38:50,364 --> 00:38:51,565
♪ Strut my glutes on Venice ♪
882
00:38:51,565 --> 00:38:53,033
♪ All my girls is winners ♪
883
00:38:53,033 --> 00:38:55,435
♪ Windows tinted
and we ball like tennis ♪
884
00:38:55,435 --> 00:38:57,604
♪ Ain't no damage control ♪
885
00:38:57,604 --> 00:39:01,274
- Hey, hey, pretty lady.
How are you?
886
00:39:01,274 --> 00:39:04,010
- I'm good. How are you?
- I'm doing well.
887
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,213
I just wanted to check in
with you.
888
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:09,116
So are you single now?
889
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:11,651
- Yeah. [chuckles]
890
00:39:11,651 --> 00:39:14,588
- And that's okay.
- But that's okay, yeah.
891
00:39:14,588 --> 00:39:17,023
- How are things going
with you and Evan?
892
00:39:17,023 --> 00:39:19,760
- Better than worst-case
scenario, I suppose.
893
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,497
He did have, like, an event,
show that he performed.
894
00:39:23,497 --> 00:39:24,398
- Mm.
895
00:39:24,398 --> 00:39:26,967
- So we were able to
896
00:39:26,967 --> 00:39:28,702
be around each other again.
897
00:39:28,702 --> 00:39:29,836
We're cordial.
898
00:39:29,836 --> 00:39:31,505
Um...
899
00:39:31,505 --> 00:39:34,074
so I feel, like,
it's only been positive
900
00:39:34,074 --> 00:39:36,676
for my sanity
901
00:39:36,676 --> 00:39:40,347
because I can now
move on with my life.
902
00:39:40,347 --> 00:39:42,849
- The perfect man is
out there for you.
903
00:39:42,849 --> 00:39:44,618
And he is going to be worthy
904
00:39:44,618 --> 00:39:48,088
of all the goodness
you have to give.
905
00:39:48,088 --> 00:39:49,589
- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
906
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:51,291
I'm happy you're doing well.
907
00:39:51,291 --> 00:39:52,959
I'm so proud of you.
908
00:39:52,959 --> 00:39:55,796
You were very courageous
through this process.
909
00:39:55,796 --> 00:40:01,435
And although it didn't turn out
the way we expected or wanted,
910
00:40:01,435 --> 00:40:04,704
I have to say, maybe it did.
911
00:40:04,704 --> 00:40:06,473
Maybe it did,
912
00:40:06,473 --> 00:40:08,108
because now you can go on...
- Yeah.
913
00:40:08,108 --> 00:40:09,543
- And get what's
really out there for you.
914
00:40:09,543 --> 00:40:12,179
- I'm ready to go. I'm down.
[both chuckle]
915
00:40:12,179 --> 00:40:14,414
- I love it,
you little cute pie.
916
00:40:14,414 --> 00:40:16,850
All right, Jessica,
thank you for talking to me.
917
00:40:16,850 --> 00:40:18,418
- My pleasure. Thank you.
- All right.
918
00:40:18,418 --> 00:40:20,320
Bye, sweetie.
919
00:40:20,987 --> 00:40:22,689
Cheaters beware.
920
00:40:22,689 --> 00:40:24,691
- You [bleep] kissed her,
you idiot.
921
00:40:24,691 --> 00:40:27,427
- Next time you wanna be
unfaithful, think again.
922
00:40:27,427 --> 00:40:30,297
Hey, let me tell you
one mother[bleep] thing!
923
00:40:30,297 --> 00:40:32,432
Oh, Lord, oh, Lord, oh, Lord!
924
00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:33,433
Because I just might...
925
00:40:33,433 --> 00:40:34,568
Oh, God, she's runnin.'
926
00:40:34,568 --> 00:40:35,936
Catch you in the act.