- ♪ MTV ♪
- I'm Tami Roman.
I have been cheated on before.
You [bleep] my man when I was married to him.
I even wrote a book about it.
And I've made it my mission to help
suspicious lovers catch their cheating partners in the act.
- You brought this to my place of business.
What is this? - [bleep]!
- Oh!
Together with my relationship coaches...
- You got to tell him about the insecurities that you have.
That's how y'all work through it.
- This is a situation where you have to say,
I'm going to step up and do what's right.
- And stealthy investigation team...
- They think they slick. Well, we slicker.
- We won't stop until we find the truth.
Cheaters, beware.
- I'm [bleep] torn. I love them both.
- You got to fundamentally say, I'm going to be different.
- Who the [bleep] you think you are?
- Why the [bleep] I got cameras in my crib?
What the [bleep]'s wrong with you?
- Tami! Tami!
- Nobody should think they're better
than anybody else, because you all
[bleep] been played.
And that's just the truth.
This is "Caught in the Act: Unfaithful."
[hip-hop music]
♪ ♪
- Hello, there. - Hey, how you doing?
- I am doing well. How are you doing?
- I'm doing good. - Yes, good to see you.
- Good to meet you. - Yes.
- Oh, my goodness, you give me such, like, down South, like...
Is that where you're from? - Memphis, yeah.
- Okay, because I'm feeling it. I'm picking it all up.
- Uh-huh. - Listen, I want to hear
all about the relationship you're here about.
But before I do, I want to know, who is Richard?
You know, all of that. - Right. Right.
I'm 26. - Oh, you're a baby.
- Yeah, something like that, you know what I'm saying?
But I'm a grown man, though. You know what I'm saying?
- Yeah, I feel you. What do you do?
- So I do digital marketing, like, full-time.
- So what's your content like?
- Comedy, mostly. - You're a comedian?
- You know what I'm saying? A little something.
- What? Really?
- Man, what [bleep]?
- That must be attractive to ladies.
- Oh, yeah, that's-- Yeah.
If you can make them giggle,
you can make them booty cheeks jiggle.
You know what I'm saying?
[laughing]
- I never heard that one.
I like it, though. - Little something new.
- What type of upbringing did you have?
- My parents got divorced when I was five.
- Okay, but up until then, did they have a great relationship,
like, you saw the model family? - Mm, no, not really.
If I was to look at something as, like,
an example of a relationship,
it would have to be my grandparents.
They was married for, like, 62 years,
didn't yell at each other, didn't cuss at each other.
It was that deep love, so...
- I want that. - Yeah. It was like--
- Because I have a tendency to curse
my husband out sometimes, you know?
- I mean, as we all do.
But, you know, it's just about patience.
That's what they taught me. - Mm-hmm.
So your parents, though... - Mm-hmm.
I lost my dad when I was 21,
and I lost my mom at 24. - Oh, wow.
I'm sorry to hear that. - Yeah.
But, I mean, I was an adult when that happened.
You know what I'm saying? That wasn't my childhood.
My dad, he passed from liver cancer, so...
- So did my mom. - That's crazy.
When I was young, I used to get upset at him because it was,
like, he didn't ever have no energy to do anything.
- I'm getting a little emotional
because I literally went through that with my mother.
- Mm-hmm. - The difference with me
is that I stayed mad at my mother.
- Mm. Even after her passing?
- Up until the day she passed.
I'm sorry. I'm getting so frickin' emotional.
- You about to make me tear up. You got to stop.
- So your mom... - Mm-hmm.
- Passed after your dad. - Right.
My dad passed, 2017.
And I know it's a little off topic,
but 2020, my best friend got killed,
like, born 10 days apart.
That's why I got this chain. That's his name.
And then May 2021, then my mom passed.
- How were you dealing with that element of loss?
I mean, that's a lot.
- It's like my grandma always says, life goes on.
No matter who passes, no matter what happens,
you just have to continue putting one foot
in front of the other.
- But it seems like you kind of found your way to process that
and deal with it, you know.
So that's a good thing. - Yeah.
- That's a good thing. - Right.
- Tell me about the relationship you're here about.
- I'm dating this girl named Elisa.
We've been together close to a year now.
- How did you guys meet?
- I seen her at Target, and I was like, who is
this little baddie right here, you know?
- Mm-hmm. - So I ain't going to lie.
I was a little creepy.
I seen her walk through a couple aisles or whatever,
and I was, like, thinking of what I'm going to say.
You know, I just shot my shot.
By the end of us talking, it had been probably a few hours.
- In Target?
- At Target. Uh-huh.
We ended up planning a date the next day.
- How'd that go?
- It led into us realizing, like, why don't we just date?
We've entertained the idea of marriage.
- Really? - Yeah.
Like, just because it's, like, that's how good it was feeling.
- There had to be something
that made you cross that thought of, like,
yo, I really, like, love her.
- I think what it is, is all the losses
over the past couple years, stuff like that.
Relationship just kind of take a weight off.
They make life less serious. - Mm-hmm.
- Like, that's kind of what I look for in a relationship
because that's the type of dynamic
my grandparents had-- - Mm-hmm.
- Always joking, always having fun with each other.
You know, I've seen some of the qualities of that
by dealing with her,
and I'm ready to take it to the next level.
It's just too many red flags.
- What issues have you guys experienced in a year?
- I mean, everything was going good
up until the last few months.
She'd be so shut off about certain things.
She has a hard time expressing herself.
And with me, if I'm going to be with somebody,
I'm going to express myself in a way
that, like, they can reciprocate that.
- Yeah, so I'm hearing you say you're communicative,
but her, not so much. - Right, yeah.
If there is an issue in the relationship, a lot of times
it just leads to, like, big blowouts, arguments.
I think it's just due to her past relationships.
Like, her past relationships, she's told me,
have caused her some trauma and, like, you know--
- Right. - So I try to be patient.
But there's only so much patience you can have.
- Mm-hmm. When somebody has experienced trauma,
it may not be as much that she doesn't want to communicate...
- Right.
- As it is that person that she may
have experienced the trauma with...
- Right. - Did not allow her...
- Mm-hmm. - To communicate.
So that becomes a part of your makeup and demeanor.
- But I feel like I've given her that safe space to want
to communicate with me, so why not?
So, I mean, I bought her a promise ring just
to try to, like, show her that I'm trying to step up, like,
be a man in the relationship.
I'm trying to do all the right things.
She's a model, so she does, like, late-night gigs.
She might have photo shoots,
she might do hostings, whatever.
You know how that type of lifestyle, right?
And, you know, she used to always want me
to go to her bookings with her. - Okay.
- Now, all of a sudden, the past few months that went by,
she don't want me to go to the bookings with her.
- Mm. - We share locations, right?
You know, it's been times where I hit her up,
like, where she's at, and she'll lie about the location.
You know?
- You guys clearly don't live together.
Do you think that she could be thinking
you're doing something?
- I don't cheat in a relationship.
Like, I don't feel like--
If you gonna cheat, what's the point of even doing it?
Just be single. Just be single. - I like that.
And I agree with that. - You know?
I just really just want to know the truth.
- Okay. Well, then I'm going to help you find out the truth.
But I have to tell you, the way the process works is I'm going
to disclose with my investigation team
every aspect
of what we've talked about. - Mm-hmm. Okay.
- And then they can start surveillance.
- This is crazy as hell, but I'm with it.
- I'll call you back into the office,
and then we'll discuss what it is that we see.
- Okay.
- In the meantime, just be normal.
- It was great meeting you. - Same here.
I appreciate you coming in. - No problem.
- ♪ Beep, beep ♪
[hip-hop music]
♪ Yeah, that's me, every day it's routine ♪
♪ Good girl in a big bad machine ♪
- Day one.
♪ ♪
I have good eyes on Elisa's house
so I can see who's coming and going.
She's here. I see her car in the driveway.
So I'm just going to sit here and continue to wait.
Richard and Tami told me Miss Elisa
is popping on social media.
So she's on Livestream right now.
- So I'm coming out here to show
you guys my new collection on my new boutique.
- She's up and moving and popping and being cute
in front of the camera.
So I'm just going to continue to sit right here
and wait for her.
I got all day if she got all day.
- ♪ I got a attitude ♪
♪ So what? I got a attitude ♪
♪ I got a attitude ♪
♪ So what? I got a attitude ♪
♪ I got a attitude ♪
♪ Attitude, attitude, attitude ♪
- [bleep].
I think I got something that's popping.
Let me see.
Ooh.
What the [bleep]?
[dramatic music]
♪ ♪
- [bleep], get my camera.
I think I got something that's popping.
Let me see.
Ooh.
What the [bleep]?
That is definitely not Richard.
[hip-hop music]
I've been sitting on this house all day.
She ain't moved at all.
So I'm going home.
♪ ♪
So this is day two.
I've been sitting out here for about an hour or so.
I'm just waiting to see what Elisa is up to.
All right.
She got on a cute little dress.
That doesn't look like some afternoon, morning type stuff.
And she got a bag. She ready to go.
So I'm going to follow her.
[dramatic music]
I just followed her into this industrial warehouse place.
She's getting out her car. Let me record this.
♪ ♪
Trying to get in, in an industrial place like this
will actually bring more attention to me than I need.
So I just went to one of her stories,
and it's captioned "photo shoot" with a cute heart.
So, so far, she seems to be working.
So I'm going to just keep waiting right here.
♪ ♪
Let's go.
Where else we driving to?
♪ ♪
Okay, so we pulling up at-- This is a nice restaurant.
This really nice.
♪ ♪
So I am going to go in.
I got my purse cam.
So there is a camera on the bag for me
to just sit and watch her.
♪ ♪
[cell phone ringing]
Matthew is his name.
She was on the phone with Richard,
and then she reached down in her little pocketbook
and picked up a burner phone
and got to talking to this dude.
Now I got some sauce to work with.
♪ ♪
Mm-mm. Nope, nope, nope.
Damn.
I lost her coming out of that little-bitty-ass parking lot.
Couldn't make the light.
[upbeat music]
♪ ♪
It's day three.
I've been sitting here for hours, no movement.
The only thing I've seen so far is cats and rats and raccoons
or whatever the hell run across the street.
♪ ♪
[cat screeches]
♪ ♪
Porch light came on.
Let's see where she is.
Okay, she's moving now.
She just left the house.
So wherever she's going, I'm going after this girl.
♪ ♪
Let me get past this truck. I'm finna lose her.
♪ ♪
Okay. So she just got out of the car.
And then now she's going in.
So I'm going to go in here.
I got a camera watch.
Up top, we got a camera that will
be recording video and audio.
This is Matthew.
Hey.
- ♪ Watch me go ♪ - ♪ Watch me go ♪
- ♪ I'm on a roll ♪ - ♪ I'm on a roll ♪
- ♪ I will not fold, watch me go ♪
- Did you get a chance to look at everything?
- I did.
I was struck by just how much loss he's experienced.
- And he came from a very unique perspective of,
yes, I've had loss, but I've got to keep putting
one foot in front of the other. [door opens]
That might be him.
Hey, there, Richard. - Hey, Tami.
- It's good to see you again. - It's good to see you, too.
You're doing okay? - I am. I am.
Let me introduce you to Coach Ken Canion.
- How you doing, Richard? - What's up, Coach?
How you doing? - Great.
- Have a seat on this side, Richard.
So thank you for coming back in.
- Oh, thank you.
- I told you that I would call you
the minute I got some news.
And the reason that I have Coach Ken is he's
a relationship, life-coach expert.
- My job here is just to help you process what we see...
- Mm-hmm. - And many times why we see it.
- But I want to make sure you want to see this
because it could change the future with you
and Elisa forever.
- Just however it comes is however I'm going to take it.
- Okay. Let's go.
This was our first day of surveillance.
We camped outside of her house.
- Hey, y'all.
- She didn't come out for a while, so we were like,
what is she doing in there?
Checked her Instagram, and there she was...
[chuckles] Doing a live.
This day, she was selling them bags.
- [laughs]
- So, as you can see,
we hung out all day while she did all these lives.
And then, finally...
we see her come out of the house
with this gentleman.
I was hoping you would know who that was.
- No clue who that is.
- But they hug.
He gets in his car.
- She talking to somebody with a pickup truck?
- This was the next day of surveillance.
She ends up at this little eatery,
sitting outside.
And then our PI picks up the fact
that she has two phones.
- Hold on. Pause it real quick.
That's her phone? That's her second phone?
I ain't never seen that phone. This little sneaky-ass [bleep].
This [bleep] got a second phone?
- Second phone. - You can play it, Tami.
You can play it.
- Now, on the second phone...
she has this conversation.
- She talking about some "hey, baby."
- And that's when we heard the name Matthew,
whoever that may be.
- I'm trying to be the right dude for you,
and you dealing with a whole nother person?
If you gonna be with me, be with me.
But, clearly, it's not just me.
- Well, I did notice that when she was on the phone with you,
she did say, I love you.
And then... - [bleep] that.
- The other phone, with that guy,
it was just kind of, baby.
- So that makes it okay?
- What? - I'm surprised at you.
- [bleep] is crazy. - We just saw two phones.
Oh, I love you. - And then "baby."
And "baby" to the next one. - Dude in the pickup shows up.
He doesn't know about it.
And we're playing devil's advocate.
- It's not right, but she may not be taking
any of that seriously.
This was the last day of surveillance.
- What, it gets worse?
What, you finna show me a sex tape?
- No.
But we did pick her up this evening,
and we surveilled her.
And there's the guy in the pickup.
- That's the pickup.
That's what we finna call him, Mr. Pickup.
That's what dude-- his head look like a lizard.
He ugly as hell, I ain't going to lie.
That's who she want to talk to?
I don't give a [bleep] about you.
- No, mother[bleep], it's our [bleep].
What the [bleep] you talking about?
Hold on. Pause it real quick.
If he hitting that, I'm hitting that the same.
That's dirty. I hit her raw.
[dramatic music]
- I agree with that. - Tami, I'm done.
- Are you sure? - There's no--I'm sure.
I'm done.
It's just all that time wasted.
Like, the whole time, this is what you got going on.
- What if she said, I did this because there
was a part of me that wasn't getting emotionally fulfilled.
I've seen situations that were cut and dry.
But all of a sudden, when I hear the other person says,
I've been feeling isolated for the last 10 months...
- That's the whole purpose of me trying
to get her to communicate.
She's acting like it's nothing.
Whole time, you dealing with Mr. Pickup Truck.
So it's like, you're a liar and a cheater.
I'm not Will and Jada.
I'm not finna be cool with Mr. Entanglement.
I'm straight. - I get it.
But, listen, this [bleep] hurts,
and I know this is your way of coping.
- You got to understand, too-- she knows that I've lost
too many people... - Right.
- For me to, like, be just playing around,
wasting my time, you see what I'm saying?
So it's like, my trust is done.
Like, you just ripped all that [bleep] and threw it away.
- I know you said that you kind of deal with things privately.
I totally am receptive to that
'cause I'm the same way. - Right.
- But in this moment, it just seems like you're like,
I don't care.
I'm going on. - That's just how I cope.
- Tami mentioned to me that your grandparents were
a big influence in your life
and seeing what a good relationship looks like--
you go through ups, you go through downs,
but you work it out--
I think it's helped you be super clear about what you want
and what you don't want.
- But it's like, I got the answers I wanted.
It's like, what can she say?
- We do ourselves a disservice when
we have an opportunity to just get clarity
and we don't take it, right? - Mm-hmm.
- So there's two things that can happen.
If you sit down with him,
y'all can exchange information and notes.
- What difference does it make going with Mr. Pickup to her?
Like, he already knows who I am, 'cause he done said,
oh, I don't give [bleep] about Richard.
I don't give [bleep].
Like, okay, you're not supposed to give a [bleep] about me.
I would just like to see what she
could even think to lie and say to make it even make sense.
- Mm-hmm. - Like, it makes no sense.
- So this is the other option that I can offer you, then.
I can get my investigation team
to continue to surveil Elisa.
And when they see her and Matthew together,
you can catch them in the act.
- That sound good to me. - All right.
- I appreciate you. - I appreciate you, man.
Thank you. - Until then, do not call.
Do not communicate. - Thank you, Tami.
- You got to keep it normal. Keep it regular.
- Okay. - Got to keep it normal.
- But I'm blocking her after this show.
- Yeah, you can do all that then.
- She gone. Get them dirty-ass makeup brushes out of my house.
- ♪ I'm nearby, be push up on ♪
♪ Four way in the clear ♪
♪ I figure he tried to tell no lies ♪
♪ Oh, I caught me his slide ♪
♪ I appreciate the fact ♪
♪ He keep it real instead of lying ♪
- Thank you.
- ♪ To say that I've been cheated on, and I stay ♪
- The team has been on it.
So they were able to find Elisa and Matthew.
- Matthew, okay. - They are together, shopping.
So I called Richard and said, we are on the way.
So we're going to go pick him up now.
- I think all of his questions should be directed at her.
I think the most important question is,
why would you have me believing something
was real when it was not?
You can't justify the stuff she's doing.
[dramatic music]
- All right. Yep, there he is.
♪ ♪
- My guy.
- I feel like I'm getting kidnapped.
- Oh, come on in. - What's up, man?
- Good to see you, my friend. - Hey, hey, how are you?
- All right.
- Well, I told you that I was going to call you
the minute the team found something for us.
And apparently Elisa and Matthew
are shopping. - Okay.
- What questions do you want to ask her?
- Why couldn't you just keep it real?
What was it that made you feel like you couldn't
communicate with me that you wanted
to deal with other people?
- I'm interested to see what she will say.
- What can you say?
When you get off the phone saying, I love you,
and then a few minutes later, you pull out a whole nother
phone that your man don't even know about, that you hide
and keeping from me, and then, hey, baby,
this, that, and the third.
Like, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
What is there to say? - Maybe she's just not ready.
And so that leads me to ask you, is there any part of you,
based on what you guys had, it could be re-established?
- Once a cheater, always a cheater.
I feel like my time's been wasted.
You know?
When I lost my dad,
they told me that he had six months.
But he really only lived six weeks.
So it's like, every hour, every minute,
every second, every day, every month, week, whatever,
it all counts.
You know, if you didn't want to do this, you know,
you didn't have to, you know, drag me along for a year
with this whole situation.
♪ ♪
- So we are here.
I will turn this monitor on so that you can see everything
that's going on inside the store.
Once you decide that you're ready to have
that conversation, you're free to get out of the van.
And that is when our cameras will accompany you
into the establishment.
- I'm ready to just get it out the way.
- Okay.
We have some decoys to make sure that we can get
up close on the action.
- Just get a [bleep] room.
- Wow.
- Is he cupping her ass? - Yes.
- Stank-ass [bleep].
I don't got to see-- I don't got to see no more.
I'm ready to just--
- You ready to go inside? - Yeah, let's do it.
- You good? - I'm good.
- Okay. Let's go to work.
- We'll be right here watching everything.
And we'll come in if we need to.
♪ ♪
- So this what the [bleep] we doing?
This what the [bleep] we doing?
- What the [bleep]?
- No, wait, wait, wait. Stop, stop, stop.
- Yeah, what the [bleep], Bruno Mars?
What [bleep]?
- Why you got all these cameras around and [bleep]?
- What am I doing right now? What are you doing right now?
- You lame as [bleep]. You a [bleep]-ass [bleep].
- Stop!
[dramatic music]
- What the [bleep] you about to do?
You not finna do [bleep]!
- You can have the [bleep] [bleep].
Here, it's my gift to you. It's my gift to you.
- All right, let's go.
♪ ♪
- What you mad at me for?
[indistinct shouting]
What you mad at me for?
- No, Richard, listen--
- Everybody, everybody, calm down.
Do you guys want to know what's going on?
Why the cameras are here? - [bleep].
- Richard came to me because he thought
that there was some infidelity in your relationship with him.
So this is a show called
"Caught In the Act: Unfaithful,"
and you are the star.
So we've seen you engage with this person,
who we found out to be Matthew.
- So he's been spying on us the whole time?
- We've been watching everything.
- [bleep]. - That [bleep] lame as [bleep].
- Now, why is he lame when he's been
trying to have conversations with you
and he can't get any answers?
- Because I've been loyal to him
this whole time until he showed me that he's insecure.
And when he started showing me that he's insecure,
I showed him a reason why he should be insecure.
- So it's been a year.
What ways has he shown you that he's insecure?
- He doesn't trust me.
He tracks my location every time.
- And rightfully so, because we found
you to be unfaithful with this gentleman.
- At the end of the day, you wanted to get the answers.
I know you don't want to fight over her.
- He's moving too fast.
He gave me a promise ring when we was, like,
six months in a relationship.
I had previous relationships where
it was insecurity showing, and it didn't work out.
And I see a red flag when I see it.
- You played to successful role as a side dude.
Now you're trying to get promoted.
- Let's go back in.
We are going to get the answers that you need.
- Okay, come on, let's go. - Let's do that.
- Why not leave him?
- Because I care about him and I was scared.
I didn't know how to tell him. - Yeah.
He said he was asking you all this time.
All you had to do was say, it doesn't work for me.
- Where dude at?
Bro, listen, listen, hear me out, bro.
If you think she not finna to do the same [bleep] to you
that she did to me, you a damn fool, bro.
- You lame. That's why.
That's why she do that [bleep], because you are goofy.
- Come on. I want you inside.
- That's weird. You want to fight over a female.
- Weird is bringing a whole camera crew, [bleep].
Goofy ass.
- You said you were not going to talk to him.
So let's just not acknowledge him.
You said you had questions.
You wanted to be able to have a conversation
with Elisa, right?
Well, I just spoke with her,
and she said she's been in relationships
before where certain red flags come up
and those things didn't work out.
She started noticing those things with you.
- I care about you.
You already know I care about you,
so I didn't know how to tell you.
- Okay, you tell somebody.
You don't just keep stringing them along.
- My man, I'm Coach Ken. I work with Tami.
Now, I want to know from you what was going on.
- We've been [bleep] with each other for, I want to say,
like, six months. - Six months?
- Six months. Yeah.
- But you know they've been together a year.
- Of course. She told me everything.
She mad transparent.
She's telling me that she ready to leave him.
I don't care about what they got going on.
It's really about me and her.
- So my real question to you is,
if she would creep with you, would she creep on you?
Could that be the case?
- I just feel like I'm one of a kind.
- He said you are incapable of having a conversation.
And this is what you're showing me right now.
- She ain't said [bleep] this whole time we've been here.
- Because you're being insecure right now.
- This is insecurity?
You're with Bruno Mars, the landscaper!
- No. Shut the [bleep] up.
None of that matters. - Mr. Pickup Truck!
You fake as [bleep]!
You can take [bleep] to the pawn shop.
You need the money.
Your broke ass. You need the [bleep] money.
- And you can have that [bleep],
that broke-ass [bleep], the Instagram model
selling fake-ass bags online.
- I'm so disappointed in Richard.
- Now, you tell me, what makes the relationship with him
different than the one that you had?
- He's confident.
All that insecure [bleep]'s out the door.
That's what made me cheat on him.
He's insecure. - I love that [bleep].
Ain't no dude going to come around here and disrespect
this girl in front of my face.
As a man, I'm going to handle that [bleep].
- And as a man, I feel like you should
have wanted more for yourself.
You were very happy playing the side position,
and that is unacceptable for a real man.
You should want something that is solely yours, 100% yours.
- No disrespect to him, because he's probably a great guy,
because he wants to be with you as well.
But now, the way you went about it,
because you knew about Richard,
now, I can't give you love for that
because that's wrong on every level.
- I didn't know he would be doing this [bleep] right now.
- None of that matters.
The reason he's doing it is because you didn't approach
the situation the right way.
When you care about somebody, Elisa,
it doesn't mean that you have to stay with them.
Caring about them is being able to let them go
when it's not right
so that he can go on with his life and you can go on
with this man right here,
and y'all can live happily ever after.
That is not what you did.
And that's why you really have to take
accountability in this moment.
- I didn't know how to tell him that.
- Let me ask you, do you love me?
- I do. - And you want to be with him?
[dramatic music]
That was too long of a pause. - Whoa.
- Let me go see what's Richard [bleep].
Let me go see.
I need for you to calm down.
What you went in there and did...
- Tami, we told each other-- - Is not what we discussed.
- Tami, I came in there. He was ready to fight me.
- The minute you engage with somebody like that,
you give them the power.
- I cannot have a real conversation
with her and dude is on the other
side of the store yelling.
- Do you want to be with this man or not?
- I can see myself being with him, yes.
- That's not what I asked you.
I asked you, do you want to be with this man or not?
- Because that's what you promised me.
- Yes, yes.
- You promised me that you wanted to be with me, right?
Because if you want to be with him, I'm going
to let you all do y'all thing.
- So if I go get Elisa,
you're telling me now... - Yes.
- That you'll be able to have a calm conversation.
- I will talk to her. That's cool. That's fine.
I'm right here. I'm right here. - I'll be back.
♪ ♪
I want to have a conversation with you.
- [sighs]
Now, I don't want any yelling.
I don't want y'all disrespecting each other.
Richard saw that there was a change.
He came to me.
We started watching some things.
We saw your interaction with Matthew.
That hurt him greatly.
You also know his background
with regard to the amount of loss he's had.
They told him his father had six months to live.
It ended up being six weeks.
His perspective on time is a completely different thing.
So, when he sees something that he knows for sure,
this is what I want in my life, he goes after it.
That's why he gave you the promise ring.
- I really just feel like we should have had the convo
before you felt like you wanted to go and see other people.
You clearly don't want to be with me the same way
I want to be with you,
so you could have just deaded it a long time ago.
Why did you let me do all the extra [bleep]?
The promise ring, you hiding a second phone? Why?
What's the point of it?
- Richard, I care about you completely.
I care about you.
But my past relationship, I went through abuse,
so I know what it's like to deal with that,
and I know how to protect myself.
And I see the red flags,
so I don't want to repeat that same history
that I've been through before.
- One day, she may not communicate
with you because she said, it reminded
me of my last relationship.
Now, I don't know whether that was abusive.
I don't know if it was traumatic.
I don't know what it was.
But I do know, whatever happened
in the relationship left a seed in her that's grown.
And if you're going to be with her long term...
then you need to find out what that is.
- I just need to talk to her and just see where we at,
because, you know, this right here is just a lot.
- If you knew that you didn't see yourself doing this,
why would you keep me in the relationship,
telling me that I'm insecure,
and you [bleep] with Mr. Landscape
with the pickup truck?
- I gave you all the signs.
- Sometimes hints don't work
when a person wants something so badly,
because not everybody is a mind reader.
Not everybody's going to pick up on stuff because they
want certain things, too.
- You've taken no accountability.
You haven't said, I'm sorry, I apologize.
She don't give a [bleep], Tami.
And I'm cool off her.
Have a nice [bleep] life. Go [bleep] yourself.
♪ ♪
[dramatic music]
- Have a nice [bleep] life.
Go [bleep] yourself. That's it.
- You're so quick to disrespect me, though.
Like, why--
- It wasn't disrespectful to me?
- I was loyal to you up until you were
showing me your insecurity.
- She just said the word "loyal"?
Tami.
- She started seeing red flags that
triggered her and reminded her of the relationship
that she was in.
- So, as soon as she seen that, she should have ended it.
- And that's what I said to her.
- You ain't got no backbone. - Shut the [bleep] up.
- She should have just told you.
- You don't even know half the [bleep] I'd been through.
- It's all me, me, me, me, me. [bleep].
- This is what I think is going on, Elisa.
- Rich, you all right? - I'm cool.
- The only thing I want you to understand
is to be accountable for the way
you handled this situation.
You have a boundary that you set for yourself,
and you want it to be honored.
Going forward, whatever the boundary is for you,
you got to be able to speak that.
- I just want to date and just find myself within.
- Okay. And with Matthew as well?
You don't want to be with him. - Yes.
I don't want to be with Matthew.
I don't want to do it with Richard.
Like, I want to find self-love again.
- But I think you guys owe each other an apology.
I'm going to go talk to him,
and then I think you guys should give each other that,
just so that there's closure in this moment.
Okay? One second.
- You have no integrity at all,
and you just go about this the worst possible way.
But you care about me. I don't believe you.
- I support you 100%.
- I don't know what the conversation was,
but this is what I want to say.
She said, I want to give him an apology.
And I said, I'll go talk to him so that he can give you
an apology and we can end this and everybody can have closure.
- I will apologize and tell her,
like, I'm sorry for talking to you the way that I did.
- Let's try to see if we can get this apology.
Hey, Elisa, right here, baby.
♪ ♪
I don't want any yelling.
And I just want you guys to understand,
before this moment, you guys were at a good place.
That's what I want you both to respect in this moment.
- I'm sorry I hurt you.
- The biggest thing that you've probably experienced
is how disrespectful I talked to you tonight.
I'm going to apologize for that.
I will say, when it comes to red flags,
I don't really feel like I did anything
to make you feel anything from your past,
from what you told me.
Now, maybe you felt different, but I tried
to be nothing but a good dude and step up and love you.
So you showed me that clearly that's not what you want.
And I wish you nothing but the best--that's it.
- We're going to all go in there.
We're going to put closure
to everything for everybody. - Okay.
- Sit down. Sit down. Sit down.
Are you prepared to have a conversation
with everyone in here without you jumping up?
- Yeah, but I just need to know how we going to move forward.
That's all I need to know.
You know, whatever's meant is going to happen.
- Matthew, two things--
Elisa has something that she wants to share with you.
But before she does,
I want to be able to bring Richard back in.
- I just want to let you know, bro,
I don't got no problem with you.
I don't know you from a can of paint.
It ain't no pressure about this female right here.
I'm trying to move on with my life.
Y'all do whatever y'all got to do.
- Well, there's no y'all for anybody.
Elisa wants to be by herself.
- [bleep] out of here.
- You don't want to be with Matthew, correct?
Or do you want to be with Matthew?
- So what's up?
♪ ♪
- It's just too much going on, so I just want to cut it off.
- Cut what off? - Everything.
Our relationship, it's too much drama.
- So all a sudden, now you got to--
- It's not even about him.
- Now you got a change of heart.
- I don't want to be with neither of y'all, okay?
But it's just too much going on.
- Yeah, but you told me you was ready to leave this [bleep].
Why do you think I be wasting my time?
- Can I leave? - You think I'm like that?
- You want to leave?
- I don't got nothing else to say.
- All right, T-shirt. - Okay, Freddy Krueger.
- I ain't going to hold you.
The person who brought me here has left the building.
But at least, Elisa, you were able to get
an apology from Richard.
You were able to give an apology to Richard.
So thank you very much for that.
- Thank you. - We gonna head on out.
- Hopefully I don't got to see y'all again, man.
- You won't, unless you with somebody else's girl.
Ah! [laughs]
- This moment taught me today to be honest
with your partner.
Moving forward, I feel like I would
be more truthful to other people that I'm dating
and who I'm dealing with.
So I'd just rather move on.
- Her apologizing-- that was nice.
But it's like, how can I believe it?
I don't believe [bleep] she said.
Giving me the signs didn't do [bleep] for me.
If you feel like you want to move on, you got to say it.
Moving forward, I'm going to trust my gut
and just leave it alone.
- Well, what did you think?
- This was a difficult one for me, Ken,
because, you know, I have a real liking
for Richard.
That's not how I wanted him to handle this situation.
And I definitely gave her grace.
- You did.
- But she does have an issue with communication.
- She does.
- Step up to the plate and say, this ain't working,
and I'm going on, and get with who you want to be with.
But being the side piece and the side [bleep]
and the side chick and all this stuff is getting old,
and it's tired.
Ooh. - All right.
- I had to release myself.
- What she said. - Let's go, child.
- On to the next one. - All right.
- ♪ Who this new girl? ♪
♪ What's the new plan? ♪
♪ It's tearing me apart ♪ [computer rings, beeps]
- What's good, Richard?
How are you? - I'm doing good.
How you doing? - I'm doing well.
I wanted to do a check-in to make sure your mental
is good from everything you experienced that night.
- Yeah, everything's good.
- Have you spoken to Elisa?
- We basically just solidified outside of the show
and everything that I didn't want to move forward with it,
and, you know, she wants to work on herself.
After the breakup, I have more time just to focus on me.
I healed from the situation.
So that's why I feel like I can move forward
you know, and deal with somebody else.
- Are you dating or taking your time?
What's going on?
- I got somebody that, you know, I'm taking
pretty serious right now.
- Really?
- [laughs]
You'd like her, too, Tami.
You'd like her.
- Well, I know you're going to be the same type of guy.
You're going to be invested.
I just hope that this time you experience
the reciprocity in that.
- Hopefully I don't be on the show for a part 2.
- Please, we don't want it. [laughter]
Listen, thank you so much for letting me check in with you.
And hopefully it's a much better
situation with the new girl.
- Yes, ma'am. - And keep in contact with me.
All right? - All right.
God bless you. - Same to you. Bye.
- All right.
- Cheaters, beware...
- You [bleep] kissed her, you idiot.
- Next time you want to be unfaithful, think again.
- Let me tell you one mother[bleep] thing.
- Oh, Lord, oh, Lord, oh, Lord, oh, Lord.
- Because I just might...
Oh God, she's running.
Catch you in the act.