1 00:00:02,754 --> 00:00:04,756 ♪ dramatic music playing ♪ 2 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:13,557 [audience cheering] 3 00:00:29,406 --> 00:00:31,032 [audience cheering] 4 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:42,002 - The idea of sexuality and what was sexy during the 2000s 5 00:00:42,002 --> 00:00:46,089 was really a radical and fast change. 6 00:00:46,089 --> 00:00:50,093 There was all this romance about the original muse, Victoria. 7 00:00:50,093 --> 00:00:55,140 How smart, educated, and well-raised that she was. 8 00:00:55,140 --> 00:00:57,601 FREDERIQUE VAN DER WAL: That projects normal kind of woman 9 00:00:57,601 --> 00:00:59,019 who likes to feel beautiful. 10 00:00:59,019 --> 00:01:00,687 Nothing sleazy. 11 00:01:00,687 --> 00:01:04,024 - And that was just not resonating anymore. 12 00:01:06,401 --> 00:01:07,736 - If it seems to you that every year, 13 00:01:07,736 --> 00:01:10,989 the ads selling lingerie are getting more and more, 14 00:01:11,489 --> 00:01:13,825 well, shall we say revealing, you'd be right. 15 00:01:13,825 --> 00:01:16,912 In fact, the people who sell lingerie and manufacture it 16 00:01:16,912 --> 00:01:19,247 say that the ads have always reflected 17 00:01:19,247 --> 00:01:23,168 the way women see themselves and the way society sees them. 18 00:01:23,168 --> 00:01:25,545 ♪ rock music playing ♪ 19 00:01:29,299 --> 00:01:30,258 LES WEXNER: You go around a room 20 00:01:30,258 --> 00:01:32,844 and the room could be filled with female executives. 21 00:01:32,844 --> 00:01:34,763 And you say, "Does everybody understand 22 00:01:34,763 --> 00:01:36,640 that Victoria's Secret is about sexy?" 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,226 And everybody says, "Yes." And then you say, "Which sexy is it?" 24 00:01:39,226 --> 00:01:42,896 Then you have a big debate about what is the essence of sexy 25 00:01:42,896 --> 00:01:45,398 as it relates to the Victoria's Secret brand. 26 00:01:46,816 --> 00:01:52,239 - That's where the Wexner story and the larger story of the culture cross. 27 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:56,785 It exploited things that were already going on in the culture. 28 00:01:56,785 --> 00:02:00,497 It was the exploitation of sex to sell things. 29 00:02:04,459 --> 00:02:06,294 CINDY FEDUS-FIELDS: In the late '90s, 30 00:02:06,294 --> 00:02:09,172 the President of the United States 31 00:02:09,172 --> 00:02:11,174 had an affair with an intern. 32 00:02:11,174 --> 00:02:12,801 PERSON 1: Monica, look over here! Monica! 33 00:02:12,801 --> 00:02:13,843 PERSON 2: Monica! 34 00:02:13,843 --> 00:02:16,638 - And I think there was a shift 35 00:02:16,638 --> 00:02:19,349 in the thinking of the American public. 36 00:02:19,349 --> 00:02:21,393 REPORTER: How can a President facing 37 00:02:21,393 --> 00:02:23,186 embarrassing sexual allegations 38 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:24,729 go up in the polls? 39 00:02:24,729 --> 00:02:27,899 - That some of this risky business 40 00:02:27,899 --> 00:02:30,277 might be more acceptable, 41 00:02:30,277 --> 00:02:33,488 and Les may have realized that, 42 00:02:33,488 --> 00:02:36,908 and that is why he chose 43 00:02:36,908 --> 00:02:41,955 to drive the brand imaging into a sexier mode. 44 00:02:41,955 --> 00:02:44,708 This was the image of the catalog. 45 00:02:44,708 --> 00:02:49,379 Tasteful, classy, covered-up lingerie on the covers. 46 00:02:49,379 --> 00:02:54,384 This was our big spring issue and Les and Ed Razek, 47 00:02:54,384 --> 00:02:58,179 who was the leader of creative marketing, 48 00:02:58,179 --> 00:03:02,684 came to my office because they wanted to see the cover options. 49 00:03:02,684 --> 00:03:05,937 And the statement was, "They're not sexy enough." 50 00:03:06,813 --> 00:03:11,943 When the Angels appeared, the English image went away. 51 00:03:11,943 --> 00:03:16,323 Here they are in 2000 in their bras and panties 52 00:03:16,323 --> 00:03:18,950 emerging from a spaceship. 53 00:03:19,784 --> 00:03:23,496 NARRATOR: Victoria's Secret introduces Angels 2000. 54 00:03:24,497 --> 00:03:25,790 CINDY: At this point in time, 55 00:03:25,790 --> 00:03:30,086 I realized that the original Victoria was dead. 56 00:03:31,046 --> 00:03:34,549 She'd been killed off by Angels in the spaceship, 57 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:37,886 by cabaret dancers. 58 00:03:40,847 --> 00:03:43,391 The earth Angels. 59 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:51,316 We moved into the more aggressively sexy point of view. 60 00:03:51,316 --> 00:03:54,361 That's the leap the brand made. 61 00:03:57,239 --> 00:03:59,241 - This was the era of Sex and the City. 62 00:03:59,241 --> 00:04:01,368 Sex was at the forefront of that show 63 00:04:01,368 --> 00:04:03,787 and at the forefront of female empowerment. 64 00:04:04,371 --> 00:04:07,832 The brand, you know, grew from that same 65 00:04:07,832 --> 00:04:11,002 cultural movement of women taking back their sexuality, 66 00:04:11,002 --> 00:04:13,838 owning their sexuality, feeling empowered. 67 00:04:13,838 --> 00:04:16,174 And I think that that was a big part 68 00:04:16,174 --> 00:04:19,594 of what drove the brand's success at that time. 69 00:04:21,805 --> 00:04:25,767 Obviously, this was 20 years ago and the culture was very different. 70 00:04:27,936 --> 00:04:31,314 - Absolutely, like, bang on, you know, the correct positioning, 71 00:04:31,314 --> 00:04:35,986 and how they got to phase one of their next level of growth. 72 00:04:36,945 --> 00:04:41,491 And that's how Les and Ed really positioned the brand. 73 00:04:43,118 --> 00:04:44,744 ED RAZEK: Are you from Brazil? MODEL 1: I am. 74 00:04:45,954 --> 00:04:47,330 - From where? MODEL 2: Brazil. 75 00:04:48,707 --> 00:04:50,917 - Are you from Brazil? MODEL 3: Yeah. 76 00:04:50,917 --> 00:04:53,587 PERSON: Is there anyone left there? - Yeah, I think so. 77 00:04:53,587 --> 00:04:55,422 [all laughing] 78 00:04:55,422 --> 00:04:59,301 - Ed Razek was like the Hollywood arm of the business. 79 00:04:59,301 --> 00:05:01,970 He was with the models, and the runway shows, 80 00:05:01,970 --> 00:05:05,181 and he had to deal with the commercials and marketing. 81 00:05:05,181 --> 00:05:07,392 ED: We work it constantly. 82 00:05:07,392 --> 00:05:11,104 We work every aspect of this, and none, none of it's accidental. 83 00:05:13,231 --> 00:05:15,567 SHARLEEN ERNSTER: We did Venn diagrams and graphs, 84 00:05:15,567 --> 00:05:16,818 and we had a whole team 85 00:05:16,818 --> 00:05:19,529 that just would forecast what is sexy now. 86 00:05:23,992 --> 00:05:25,911 SARA ZOFKO: It was like, here's the plan, 87 00:05:25,911 --> 00:05:27,287 here's the pathway, 88 00:05:27,287 --> 00:05:29,331 and here's the data behind it. 89 00:05:29,331 --> 00:05:31,625 You know, we talk about things being data-driven now. 90 00:05:31,625 --> 00:05:34,127 This is 20 years ago. It was very data-driven. 91 00:05:35,837 --> 00:05:37,547 SHARLEEN: From the research, 92 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:40,634 we built this machine that created the Angels, 93 00:05:40,634 --> 00:05:43,511 and built on supermodels and perfection, 94 00:05:43,511 --> 00:05:47,098 and this unattainable sexy that was, 95 00:05:47,098 --> 00:05:50,268 "I wanna be that so bad, I'll just buy it." [laughs] 96 00:05:51,228 --> 00:05:55,690 It was embodied by the supermodels that were part of our brand. 97 00:05:58,902 --> 00:06:02,614 - I think several years ago, supermodels were reluctant 98 00:06:02,614 --> 00:06:04,950 to, uh, do lingerie advertising of any kind. 99 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:06,451 And if you look around the room now, 100 00:06:06,451 --> 00:06:09,412 I think you'll essentially see nothing but supermodels. 101 00:06:10,497 --> 00:06:13,458 - Supermodels had almost gone to the next level 102 00:06:13,458 --> 00:06:16,294 and became these kind of celebrities. 103 00:06:16,294 --> 00:06:18,129 They weren't even supermodels anymore. 104 00:06:18,129 --> 00:06:19,589 They became something else. 105 00:06:20,090 --> 00:06:23,176 - I told my modeling agency to call Victoria secret 106 00:06:23,176 --> 00:06:25,053 because they put girls on the map. 107 00:06:27,472 --> 00:06:30,642 - People all over the place, all of a sudden, would know who I am. 108 00:06:30,642 --> 00:06:32,852 It made me kind of a household name. 109 00:06:32,852 --> 00:06:34,854 [people shouting "Heidi"] 110 00:06:39,025 --> 00:06:41,027 [indistinct chatter] 111 00:06:45,657 --> 00:06:47,492 IVAN BART: I think that was a big shift 112 00:06:47,492 --> 00:06:50,954 where it became very desirable to work for the brand. 113 00:06:50,954 --> 00:06:54,124 They invested in the models that worked for them. 114 00:06:54,124 --> 00:06:58,086 They gave them the media training and they gave them the tools 115 00:06:58,086 --> 00:07:01,548 to be able to communicate what that brand message was. 116 00:07:04,801 --> 00:07:08,263 - They'd be traveling to the stores, they'd be featured in all the campaigns, 117 00:07:08,263 --> 00:07:12,100 they'd be working pretty much all year round for Victoria's Secret. 118 00:07:13,685 --> 00:07:15,186 JAMES SCULLY: It wasn't just being an Angel, 119 00:07:15,186 --> 00:07:18,315 you represented fragrance, you represented lingerie, 120 00:07:18,315 --> 00:07:22,652 you represented all the things that models make the most money for doing. 121 00:07:22,652 --> 00:07:27,115 Those contracts were really lucrative, in the millions of dollars. 122 00:07:27,115 --> 00:07:31,703 - We're professional girls. We know how to act when the camera is on. 123 00:07:36,207 --> 00:07:38,627 ALESSANDRA AMBROSIO: I think Victoria's Secret's like the most important. 124 00:07:38,627 --> 00:07:42,088 I think that's what girls want to do when they turn to a model 125 00:07:42,088 --> 00:07:44,716 and they come to America. That's where they wanna reach. 126 00:07:44,716 --> 00:07:48,887 And totally, like, this thing here, like, all of us, you know, that's-- 127 00:07:48,887 --> 00:07:50,305 It couldn't be better. 128 00:07:54,351 --> 00:07:55,685 ♪ 129 00:07:59,022 --> 00:08:01,816 - Creating a brand is making a movie. 130 00:08:01,816 --> 00:08:03,485 [drum rolls] 131 00:08:05,946 --> 00:08:07,239 It was very easy for me 132 00:08:07,239 --> 00:08:08,949 to make a movie in my mind. 133 00:08:08,949 --> 00:08:10,242 I had that ability. 134 00:08:10,242 --> 00:08:12,827 I do see myself as the studio head, 135 00:08:12,827 --> 00:08:15,080 so it means I get to review the scripts, 136 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,624 make sure everybody stays on story. 137 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:19,000 You have to have an idea. 138 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,711 You have to bring all the creative talent together. 139 00:08:21,711 --> 00:08:25,715 But I think that that translates directly to fashion brands. 140 00:08:28,134 --> 00:08:30,178 ED: We try to make all of our commercials 141 00:08:30,178 --> 00:08:31,596 feel like movies. 142 00:08:32,430 --> 00:08:35,267 What distinguishes our commercials from most 143 00:08:35,267 --> 00:08:37,727 is that we put into them an aspiration 144 00:08:37,727 --> 00:08:40,021 and to do things that no one else would do. 145 00:08:43,858 --> 00:08:47,112 We're out in the Mojave desert in California, 146 00:08:47,112 --> 00:08:51,199 shooting the holiday commercial with the legendary director Michael Bay. 147 00:08:51,866 --> 00:08:54,494 - I told them their commercials were too soft. 148 00:08:54,494 --> 00:08:59,124 And, uh, so we kind of made 'em a little harder-edged, sexier. 149 00:08:59,958 --> 00:09:01,293 MONICA CORBIN: It's lingerie, but, you know, 150 00:09:01,293 --> 00:09:05,005 Michael Bay is, like, doing explosions and pyrotechnics. 151 00:09:05,630 --> 00:09:08,425 It's, like, mostly legs walking to you, 152 00:09:08,425 --> 00:09:12,304 and it's dark and sultry, and, like, he definitely set a mood. 153 00:09:13,805 --> 00:09:15,515 MINDY MEADS: That was part of the culture. 154 00:09:16,057 --> 00:09:17,893 If you need to spend money 155 00:09:17,893 --> 00:09:20,937 to create what you're trying to create in this ambiance, 156 00:09:20,937 --> 00:09:22,731 then you spend that money. 157 00:09:22,731 --> 00:09:24,274 ♪ 158 00:09:29,738 --> 00:09:32,198 That was Les' philosophy. 159 00:09:32,198 --> 00:09:33,533 ♪ 160 00:09:40,624 --> 00:09:42,709 - This is a business that's run by women, 161 00:09:42,709 --> 00:09:45,420 uh, the president's a woman, all of the senior executives, 162 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:47,464 virtually all of the senior executives are women. 163 00:09:47,464 --> 00:09:48,965 All of the stores are run by women. 164 00:09:48,965 --> 00:09:52,510 This is a business meant to be 165 00:09:52,510 --> 00:09:55,138 designed for, by, and to women. 166 00:09:56,306 --> 00:10:01,895 - Les Wexner certainly hired some fantastic female executives. 167 00:10:01,895 --> 00:10:05,398 And I don't think he hired them for window dressing at all. 168 00:10:05,398 --> 00:10:08,485 He was proud of their success, 169 00:10:08,485 --> 00:10:10,654 but he took that success as his own. 170 00:10:12,322 --> 00:10:14,157 - When I was there, I definitely felt like 171 00:10:14,157 --> 00:10:17,118 I was surrounded by a lot of great women leaders. 172 00:10:17,118 --> 00:10:19,621 But if you get down to it, the people who ran the company, 173 00:10:19,621 --> 00:10:22,040 or who were the leaders, or the head of the company, 174 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,334 it was Les Wexner and Ed Razek. 175 00:10:26,294 --> 00:10:28,296 LES: I can remember being in the UK. 176 00:10:28,296 --> 00:10:32,968 The most popular single garment they sold was the thong. 177 00:10:32,968 --> 00:10:35,178 I said, I said, "Maybe we should sell thongs." 178 00:10:35,178 --> 00:10:37,013 And so, the ladies that were running Victoria's Secret 179 00:10:37,013 --> 00:10:38,598 said, "Oh, that's really trashy." 180 00:10:38,598 --> 00:10:40,725 And I said, "Let's try it and see." 181 00:10:44,104 --> 00:10:46,523 SHARLEEN: Our inspiration in the design house 182 00:10:46,523 --> 00:10:48,900 was femininity from a woman's point of view, 183 00:10:48,900 --> 00:10:51,736 not femininity from a man's point of view. 184 00:10:51,736 --> 00:10:55,407 We did boards on what's sexy now, and we tried to affect him, 185 00:10:55,407 --> 00:10:59,411 but... that was always in direct opposition 186 00:10:59,411 --> 00:11:02,205 of how Les saw sexy, 187 00:11:02,205 --> 00:11:06,626 and in direct opposition on how Ed saw sexy. 188 00:11:07,127 --> 00:11:08,628 MICHAEL BAY: Victoria's Secret women's version. 189 00:11:08,628 --> 00:11:11,756 - Ladies, this is the show you just can't miss. 190 00:11:11,756 --> 00:11:15,385 The fashions, the fabrics, the color. Here on CBS. 191 00:11:15,385 --> 00:11:16,011 MICHAEL BAY: Men's version. 192 00:11:16,011 --> 00:11:19,472 - Lots of beautiful women. 193 00:11:19,472 --> 00:11:23,476 Very little clothing. 194 00:11:26,271 --> 00:11:29,316 SHARLEEN: Time and time again, we couldn't get past Ed. 195 00:11:29,316 --> 00:11:31,401 He had the power to shut down an idea, 196 00:11:31,401 --> 00:11:34,905 and if Les happened to be there, Les backed him. 197 00:11:35,322 --> 00:11:37,741 There was a security between the two. 198 00:11:39,075 --> 00:11:41,328 Les wanted nothing to do with maternity, 199 00:11:41,328 --> 00:11:42,787 he wanted nothing to do with shapewear, 200 00:11:42,787 --> 00:11:46,249 he wanted nothing to do with comfort, you know? 201 00:11:46,249 --> 00:11:49,586 It was just like, boom, this woman shot out of a cannon 202 00:11:49,586 --> 00:11:53,381 that was born perfect, and impossible to become, 203 00:11:53,381 --> 00:11:57,510 and then made better by push-ups and padding. 204 00:11:58,595 --> 00:12:00,388 So, no matter what we did, 205 00:12:00,388 --> 00:12:03,600 Ed was going to make the decision on how our swimwear looked, 206 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,727 how our lingerie was shot, 207 00:12:05,727 --> 00:12:10,106 and how, how that projection of our brand looked. 208 00:12:12,859 --> 00:12:15,153 NARRATOR: Bring me to my knees. 209 00:12:15,153 --> 00:12:17,072 [Christmas bells playing] 210 00:12:22,869 --> 00:12:25,997 - By 2005, and definitely even by 2007, 211 00:12:25,997 --> 00:12:29,668 as were, it started to split, you know, at the seams. 212 00:12:31,002 --> 00:12:35,882 We were just following the bombshell, unattainable, 213 00:12:35,882 --> 00:12:39,636 single vision of how men see women. 214 00:12:39,636 --> 00:12:44,266 And it was really frustrating to all of us internally at Victoria's Secret. 215 00:12:47,727 --> 00:12:50,272 MICHAEL GROSS: If there was a gap 216 00:12:50,272 --> 00:12:54,568 between fashion and soft-core pornography, 217 00:12:54,568 --> 00:12:58,280 what Victoria's Secret did was inch it closer and closer 218 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,574 until it was almost touching. 219 00:13:02,158 --> 00:13:05,328 CINDY: I remember, in the beginning, 220 00:13:05,328 --> 00:13:10,166 Les showed me a Playboy magazine. 221 00:13:10,792 --> 00:13:14,546 And he wanted to make the point 222 00:13:14,546 --> 00:13:18,758 that the models had perfect bodies, 223 00:13:18,758 --> 00:13:22,679 and no freckles or moles. 224 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,098 I don't know if your camera's catching this, 225 00:13:25,098 --> 00:13:27,559 but I'm loaded with freckles. 226 00:13:29,311 --> 00:13:31,521 He was so adamant 227 00:13:31,521 --> 00:13:36,067 that I go after perfect women, 228 00:13:36,067 --> 00:13:40,530 à la sexy girls next door, 229 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:45,744 that he actually made arrangements for me to fly to Chicago 230 00:13:45,744 --> 00:13:47,954 and have lunch with Christie Hefner. 231 00:13:48,747 --> 00:13:50,665 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 232 00:13:59,549 --> 00:14:01,718 ♪ 233 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:08,683 LYNDSEY SCOTT: Growing up, I would see all these Victoria's Secret advertisements. 234 00:14:08,683 --> 00:14:12,938 I never noticed any advertisements for any other fashion brands. 235 00:14:12,938 --> 00:14:16,900 So, I think they definitely pushed it out to the public 236 00:14:16,900 --> 00:14:19,486 in a way that a lot of other companies weren't. 237 00:14:20,070 --> 00:14:21,655 They took one fantasy and ran with it. 238 00:14:22,364 --> 00:14:25,367 - A lot of you were about 9 or 10 years old 239 00:14:25,367 --> 00:14:28,495 when we started putting this show on CBS, 240 00:14:28,495 --> 00:14:32,666 uh, and started watching it and thought-- and I'll bet thought to yourselves, 241 00:14:32,666 --> 00:14:35,460 "Boy, I hope someday I can do that." 242 00:14:51,851 --> 00:14:54,938 - Some of you learned how to walk in high heels, 243 00:14:54,938 --> 00:14:59,609 watching the Victoria's Secret Show over and over again. 244 00:15:00,485 --> 00:15:03,655 LYNDSEY: For me, fantasies are more effective 245 00:15:03,655 --> 00:15:05,740 when there's a diversity to them. 246 00:15:06,449 --> 00:15:10,829 And... a lot of the models looked the same, 247 00:15:10,829 --> 00:15:15,417 not a lot of different body types at the time, 248 00:15:15,417 --> 00:15:18,587 uh... not racially diverse. 249 00:15:19,421 --> 00:15:21,172 It became clear to me 250 00:15:21,172 --> 00:15:24,885 that Victoria's Secret wasn't empowering women. 251 00:15:24,885 --> 00:15:28,054 They used such a narrow idea of beauty in their marketing, 252 00:15:28,054 --> 00:15:30,223 that it was doing the complete opposite. 253 00:15:30,223 --> 00:15:33,393 It was making women feel badly about themselves. 254 00:15:33,393 --> 00:15:35,854 REPORTER 1: Women are at war with their bodies. 255 00:15:35,854 --> 00:15:37,731 From grandmothers to teenagers, 256 00:15:37,731 --> 00:15:42,527 studies show 60 to 80% of American women want to be thinner than they are. 257 00:15:42,527 --> 00:15:46,531 - Young children are being affected by imagery every single day. 258 00:15:46,531 --> 00:15:49,034 REPORTER 2: 89% of teenage girls 259 00:15:49,034 --> 00:15:51,703 feel the fashion industry pressures them to be skinnier. 260 00:15:51,703 --> 00:15:54,998 - Nothing ever changes in terms of the people they put on the runway. 261 00:15:54,998 --> 00:15:57,584 An average American woman is a size 14. 262 00:15:57,584 --> 00:15:58,752 Plain and simple. 263 00:15:58,752 --> 00:16:00,670 It's very frustrating sitting here watching. 264 00:16:02,589 --> 00:16:04,716 - Definitely, they've been a big part of 265 00:16:04,716 --> 00:16:07,636 creating an image that is almost unattainable. 266 00:16:08,345 --> 00:16:10,138 It's not just Victoria's Secret, 267 00:16:10,138 --> 00:16:13,600 but the whole modeling industry in general. 268 00:16:14,893 --> 00:16:18,772 - You have to watch what you eat. Very important. 269 00:16:20,482 --> 00:16:24,402 - I was even told when I was 123 pounds to lose 10 pounds 270 00:16:24,402 --> 00:16:25,820 and to go to 113... PERSON 1: Oh, wow. 271 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:26,863 - ...because I was-- PERSON 2: At your height? 272 00:16:26,863 --> 00:16:28,907 - At 5'10 because I was so curvy. 273 00:16:28,907 --> 00:16:30,909 And they were like, "That's just too much." 274 00:16:32,827 --> 00:16:34,704 - I didn't have an eating disorder, 275 00:16:34,704 --> 00:16:38,833 but I didn't eat very much for 10 years. 276 00:16:38,833 --> 00:16:41,503 You became very self-aware, 277 00:16:41,503 --> 00:16:44,047 having to live up to those ideals all the time. 278 00:16:46,466 --> 00:16:50,470 I felt like I lost... a part of myself in that world. 279 00:16:52,347 --> 00:16:56,560 - Today, people howl about the effects of Instagram on young girls. 280 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,605 At the time, Victoria's Secret was the analog version of the same thing. 281 00:17:03,567 --> 00:17:05,360 ASHLEY MEARS: Traditional forms of media, 282 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:07,529 or pre-social media forms of marketing 283 00:17:07,529 --> 00:17:10,115 have been playing on our insecurities 284 00:17:10,115 --> 00:17:12,158 and making us feel, uh, poor, 285 00:17:12,158 --> 00:17:15,161 making us feel fatter, making us feel uglier. 286 00:17:15,912 --> 00:17:19,541 It creates a tremendous kind of pressure on most women 287 00:17:19,541 --> 00:17:21,334 who actually can't look like this. 288 00:17:22,294 --> 00:17:23,962 These are bodies that are just extremely thin, 289 00:17:23,962 --> 00:17:26,214 but, but also somehow curvy, 290 00:17:26,214 --> 00:17:30,802 which is usually only attainable through extreme dieting, 291 00:17:30,802 --> 00:17:34,848 and, uh, and fitness regimens, and plastic surgery. 292 00:17:37,559 --> 00:17:40,270 - Now, you know how to train like Angel. 293 00:17:42,522 --> 00:17:44,482 - One of the biggest things that shocked me 294 00:17:44,482 --> 00:17:47,277 when I was behind the scenes working there, 295 00:17:47,277 --> 00:17:50,989 was I didn't realize just how much retouching is happening. 296 00:17:52,741 --> 00:17:55,994 It's an image that is retouched, 297 00:17:55,994 --> 00:17:59,247 photoshopped... changed. 298 00:17:59,247 --> 00:18:01,041 That's literally impossible. 299 00:18:01,041 --> 00:18:02,584 ♪ 300 00:18:07,631 --> 00:18:10,550 LYNDSEY: A lot of people think the modeling industry's very glamorous. 301 00:18:10,550 --> 00:18:13,929 And it is in some ways, but as you get more into it, 302 00:18:13,929 --> 00:18:19,142 you realize that there are people who allowed a lot of bad things to happen. 303 00:18:20,435 --> 00:18:21,728 MICHAEL GROSS: From the very beginnings, 304 00:18:21,728 --> 00:18:26,691 the modeling business has attracted men who wanted to exploit women. 305 00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:32,614 Even the so-called pure queen of the modeling business, Eileen Ford, 306 00:18:33,281 --> 00:18:35,075 would have parties at her house 307 00:18:35,075 --> 00:18:38,912 where she would introduce her models to wealthy friends. 308 00:18:38,912 --> 00:18:42,791 Her excuse was that she wanted to ensure that the models 309 00:18:42,791 --> 00:18:45,544 had a comfortable life after they stopped modeling, 310 00:18:45,544 --> 00:18:48,463 therefore, what they needed was rich husbands. 311 00:18:48,463 --> 00:18:53,009 So, there have always been these men hovering around 312 00:18:53,009 --> 00:18:58,223 looking for sexual rewards and financial rewards, 313 00:18:58,223 --> 00:19:02,185 and the business has always allowed them to get away with it. 314 00:19:02,185 --> 00:19:03,603 REPORTER: But one man Eileen Ford 315 00:19:03,603 --> 00:19:05,355 does associate with in Paris 316 00:19:05,355 --> 00:19:08,108 is this man, the head of Karin Models, 317 00:19:08,108 --> 00:19:11,987 one of the largest and most prestigious agencies in the country. 318 00:19:11,987 --> 00:19:14,614 His name is Jean-Luc Brunel. 319 00:19:15,907 --> 00:19:17,576 MICHAEL GROSS: Here's a modeling agent from Paris 320 00:19:17,576 --> 00:19:21,997 who had been exposed as a super creep 321 00:19:22,998 --> 00:19:25,083 in 1988 by 60 Minutes. 322 00:19:25,083 --> 00:19:27,460 MODEL: He is acting as a matchmaker. 323 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:30,130 He's got the agency, he's got the girls, 324 00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:32,632 his friends say, "Oh, Jean-Luc, I'd like to have-- 325 00:19:32,632 --> 00:19:33,884 You know, I'd like to meet some girls." 326 00:19:33,884 --> 00:19:36,553 Or, "We're having a party tonight. Can you bring some girls?" 327 00:19:36,553 --> 00:19:38,263 - And what happens if you say no? 328 00:19:38,263 --> 00:19:39,472 - You don't work. 329 00:19:39,931 --> 00:19:41,308 - He was abusive. 330 00:19:41,308 --> 00:19:45,896 He exploited women, particularly underage girls, 331 00:19:45,896 --> 00:19:47,522 and he fled to New York. 332 00:19:47,898 --> 00:19:51,902 And of course, that's where Jean-Luc Brunel met Jeffrey Epstein. 333 00:19:53,486 --> 00:19:57,991 Jeffrey gives Jean-Luc Brunel a million dollars to start up MC2, 334 00:19:57,991 --> 00:20:01,161 which is a modeling agency that was based in South Florida 335 00:20:01,161 --> 00:20:05,790 with satellite offices in Tel Aviv and in New York City. 336 00:20:06,583 --> 00:20:09,002 Brunel got the girls visas. 337 00:20:09,002 --> 00:20:10,837 They were put up in one of Epstein's apartments 338 00:20:10,837 --> 00:20:12,714 on East 66th Street, 339 00:20:12,714 --> 00:20:17,844 and that allowed Epstein to legally bring girls 340 00:20:17,844 --> 00:20:21,014 from all over the world into the United States 341 00:20:21,014 --> 00:20:23,850 under the guise of modeling. 342 00:20:25,810 --> 00:20:29,898 - When you talk to the women who were abused by Epstein, 343 00:20:29,898 --> 00:20:32,776 Ghislaine Maxwell, his longtime 344 00:20:32,776 --> 00:20:35,946 girlfriend / friend / fixer 345 00:20:35,946 --> 00:20:38,448 was usually the first person they talked to 346 00:20:38,448 --> 00:20:41,660 and the person who took them to go see Jeffrey. 347 00:20:42,202 --> 00:20:46,206 So, she was integral to his overall scheme. 348 00:20:46,873 --> 00:20:48,375 BARRY LEVINE: They were, in essence, 349 00:20:48,375 --> 00:20:50,794 a predatory Bonnie and Clyde. 350 00:20:52,045 --> 00:20:55,048 These girls came to trust Ghislaine 351 00:20:55,048 --> 00:20:58,969 almost in a sisterly way or as a mother figure. 352 00:20:58,969 --> 00:21:03,223 And instead, she turned these girls over to Jeffrey. 353 00:21:04,432 --> 00:21:07,435 - Epstein was going to use whatever he needed 354 00:21:07,435 --> 00:21:09,563 in order to lure these girls. 355 00:21:10,188 --> 00:21:12,857 And he does this, of course, for his pleasure 356 00:21:12,857 --> 00:21:14,401 and for the pleasure of others. 357 00:21:14,401 --> 00:21:19,698 Others who he intends to influence and manipulate. 358 00:21:22,617 --> 00:21:24,160 SOPHIE ALEXANDER: In my reporting, 359 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,871 we talked to someone named William Mook, 360 00:21:26,871 --> 00:21:30,417 who said that in 2005 there was a meeting 361 00:21:30,417 --> 00:21:35,839 with Ed Razek and Jeffrey Epstein at Epstein's mansion. 362 00:21:36,339 --> 00:21:39,634 And Mook said he remembers Razek saying 363 00:21:39,634 --> 00:21:42,637 Epstein's models are some of the best. 364 00:21:45,181 --> 00:21:49,102 - In the '90s, late '90s, I remember being on set 365 00:21:49,102 --> 00:21:50,937 and that people had mentioned this name. 366 00:21:50,937 --> 00:21:53,356 And then at one point, I think I was somewhere on a dinner, 367 00:21:53,356 --> 00:21:54,816 and this girl said to me, 368 00:21:54,816 --> 00:21:57,027 "I'm asked to go and see Jeffrey Epstein." 369 00:21:57,027 --> 00:22:00,989 And I go... "For Victoria's Secret?" Like, "Why?" 370 00:22:02,490 --> 00:22:03,909 "That seems unreal." 371 00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:08,288 So, the Epstein thing was rotating around. 372 00:22:08,288 --> 00:22:10,457 It was, um-- 373 00:22:10,457 --> 00:22:12,417 The few times this happened, 374 00:22:12,417 --> 00:22:16,630 it was definitely never Victoria's Secret who said to go see Epstein. 375 00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:20,383 He used Victoria's Secret as a calling card. 376 00:22:20,383 --> 00:22:22,385 [applause] 377 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,806 CINDY: In the spring or summer of '93, 378 00:22:26,806 --> 00:22:29,100 it was reported to Les 379 00:22:29,100 --> 00:22:32,395 that a man was going around New York City 380 00:22:32,395 --> 00:22:35,690 portraying himself as a recruiter 381 00:22:35,690 --> 00:22:39,653 for Victoria's Secret catalog models. 382 00:22:39,653 --> 00:22:41,905 It was Jeffrey Epstein. 383 00:22:42,864 --> 00:22:45,867 And Les said he would stop it. 384 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,663 I don't believe the behavior stopped. 385 00:22:49,663 --> 00:22:52,040 I believe it continued. 386 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,042 ♪ 387 00:23:12,102 --> 00:23:14,145 ♪ 388 00:23:14,145 --> 00:23:15,981 REPORTER: One woman said she met with Epstein 389 00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:17,857 in a California hotel room, 390 00:23:17,857 --> 00:23:21,987 believing she was interviewing for a job as a Victoria's Secret catalog model. 391 00:23:24,447 --> 00:23:27,659 ALICIA ARDEN: I was doing a lot of lingerie catalogs. 392 00:23:27,659 --> 00:23:30,704 I'm coming off of Baywatch. I've been in Playboy. 393 00:23:30,704 --> 00:23:33,206 I'm auditioning for all these shows. 394 00:23:33,206 --> 00:23:35,166 I have a vast portfolio. 395 00:23:35,166 --> 00:23:38,545 And I thought the one thing that might be missing 396 00:23:38,545 --> 00:23:41,006 is to get in the Victoria's Secret catalog. 397 00:23:42,382 --> 00:23:47,804 In 1997, Jeffrey Epstein had come out to California. 398 00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:53,894 I had a meeting with him at Shutters Hotel in Santa Monica. 399 00:23:55,186 --> 00:23:57,272 I want to be in the Victoria's Secret catalog, 400 00:23:57,272 --> 00:24:01,151 so I said, "Okay, I'll go in the hotel room." 401 00:24:10,076 --> 00:24:12,370 I called my friend multiple times. 402 00:24:32,891 --> 00:24:35,852 And then I thought, I should really go file a police report. 403 00:24:35,852 --> 00:24:37,729 I don't know what this person just did to me. 404 00:24:37,729 --> 00:24:39,606 He could be doing this to other girls. 405 00:24:39,606 --> 00:24:41,608 ♪ 406 00:24:47,822 --> 00:24:50,700 GLORIA ALLRED: Did Victoria's Secret ever know 407 00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:53,536 that a police report was filed by her? 408 00:24:53,536 --> 00:24:56,248 Did they ever ask Epstein about that? 409 00:24:56,248 --> 00:24:58,917 Did Les Wexner know about that? 410 00:24:59,334 --> 00:25:04,839 Why is the denial of a wealthy, well-known man 411 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:06,341 of more value 412 00:25:06,341 --> 00:25:10,303 than the serious allegation to law enforcement 413 00:25:10,845 --> 00:25:13,848 by one woman who happens to be a model? 414 00:25:19,896 --> 00:25:22,899 - Apparently, nothing changed, 415 00:25:22,899 --> 00:25:27,737 and we also know that Wexner continued to praise Epstein 416 00:25:27,737 --> 00:25:29,489 even after this time. 417 00:25:30,865 --> 00:25:35,620 Wexner told Vanity Fair in 2003 that Epstein was 418 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:40,041 "very smart with excellent judgment and high standards." 419 00:25:40,041 --> 00:25:42,961 And he added, "He is always the most loyal friend." 420 00:25:42,961 --> 00:25:45,505 ♪ 421 00:25:50,093 --> 00:25:53,263 - Jeffrey Epstein clearly profited tremendously 422 00:25:53,263 --> 00:25:56,433 from his friendship with Leslie Wexner. 423 00:25:56,433 --> 00:26:00,020 Uh, not only was there a power of attorney signed, 424 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:05,775 which gave him complete control over hundreds of millions of dollars, 425 00:26:05,775 --> 00:26:08,361 there was also transference of money 426 00:26:08,361 --> 00:26:12,073 that allowed Epstein to buy vast real estate holdings, 427 00:26:12,073 --> 00:26:14,784 including the Manhattan Triplex, 428 00:26:14,784 --> 00:26:18,330 the apartments on East 66th Street, 429 00:26:18,330 --> 00:26:20,999 the Stanley, New Mexico, ranch, 430 00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:24,753 the Avenue Foch Apartment in Paris. 431 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,218 - Epstein also got a great deal for Wexner's company plane. 432 00:26:31,218 --> 00:26:33,511 It's impossible to know exactly what he paid 433 00:26:33,511 --> 00:26:37,891 because the transaction was shrouded in so many shell companies. 434 00:26:37,891 --> 00:26:39,851 CINDY: When you hear something like 435 00:26:39,851 --> 00:26:44,147 a private jet was sold at below market value 436 00:26:44,147 --> 00:26:48,777 from the corporation to Epstein-- 437 00:26:50,153 --> 00:26:52,155 ♪ 438 00:26:56,701 --> 00:27:01,915 - This became the one that the media has nicknamed "Lolita Express" 439 00:27:01,915 --> 00:27:03,750 because Epstein used it, 440 00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:08,088 sometimes, to traffic... underage girls. 441 00:27:12,926 --> 00:27:15,220 This is a culture of complicity. 442 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:18,515 Many people down the hierarchy 443 00:27:19,307 --> 00:27:21,226 enable exploitation 444 00:27:21,226 --> 00:27:24,896 from the agent that represents the victim, 445 00:27:24,896 --> 00:27:27,315 all the way to the top. 446 00:27:27,315 --> 00:27:29,317 ♪ 447 00:27:38,034 --> 00:27:39,661 [bell ringing] 448 00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:47,878 REPORTER: How is the company doing financially? 449 00:27:47,878 --> 00:27:48,837 - Oh, just great. 450 00:27:48,837 --> 00:27:51,965 - Regarding the Victoria's Secret brand in the last quarter, 451 00:27:51,965 --> 00:27:54,676 our sales increased 18% 452 00:27:54,676 --> 00:27:58,096 and our operating income increased 34%. 453 00:27:58,096 --> 00:28:00,098 ♪ 454 00:28:08,356 --> 00:28:11,359 - Not only was the brand successful in sales... 455 00:28:13,528 --> 00:28:18,950 but it reached so much further than just being a lingerie store. 456 00:28:22,203 --> 00:28:24,915 EMCEE: Merging fashion and entertainment, 457 00:28:24,915 --> 00:28:28,627 the Victoria's Secret Angels return to Hollywood 458 00:28:28,627 --> 00:28:30,128 to dazzle audiences 459 00:28:30,128 --> 00:28:34,132 with a televised fashion spectacular. 460 00:28:34,716 --> 00:28:38,511 They are a cultural phenomenon. 461 00:28:40,722 --> 00:28:42,557 ♪ 462 00:28:43,099 --> 00:28:46,144 TODD THOMAS: I think those years, '11, '12, '13, 463 00:28:46,144 --> 00:28:50,482 were kind of like the years where things were really, really golden, 464 00:28:50,482 --> 00:28:55,028 and acknowledgments were coming in for the magnitude of the show. 465 00:28:57,447 --> 00:29:01,868 - No other lingerie brand could compete with Victoria's Secret. 466 00:29:02,827 --> 00:29:08,667 Les Wexner was monomaniacally focused on accumulating money and power, 467 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:11,628 and money and power because money is power. 468 00:29:12,462 --> 00:29:16,424 - At the peak, Victoria's Secret owned 40 to 45% 469 00:29:16,424 --> 00:29:18,760 of the entire market in the U.S. 470 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,263 This company's crushing it. 471 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,685 LINDSEY CASELLA: There was a moment in time where Victoria's Secret 472 00:29:26,685 --> 00:29:28,687 wasn't just a part of culture, 473 00:29:28,687 --> 00:29:32,315 but they were actively creating the culture itself. 474 00:29:32,315 --> 00:29:34,150 ♪ 475 00:29:42,576 --> 00:29:44,578 [angelic choir singing] 476 00:29:54,045 --> 00:29:56,548 HOST: I have the privilege today to introduce 477 00:29:56,548 --> 00:30:00,385 a man who, um, more than anyone in Columbus needs no introduction. 478 00:30:00,969 --> 00:30:04,598 Ladies and gentlemen, Leslie Wexner. [all applauding] 479 00:30:07,225 --> 00:30:09,352 LES: If you can picture Columbus as it is, 480 00:30:09,352 --> 00:30:13,064 and imagine a wonderful arena where the penitentiary site is, 481 00:30:13,064 --> 00:30:16,985 a museum, a, a COSI, a place for public entertainment, 482 00:30:16,985 --> 00:30:20,030 75-, 80-acre park on a riverfront, 483 00:30:20,030 --> 00:30:23,116 close to the downtown, close to a convention facility. 484 00:30:23,116 --> 00:30:24,743 How different would the city be? 485 00:30:24,743 --> 00:30:28,246 - Growing up, Les wanted to become 486 00:30:28,246 --> 00:30:31,958 part of the establishment in Columbus. 487 00:30:32,876 --> 00:30:36,755 He developed a plan for downtown Columbus. 488 00:30:36,755 --> 00:30:40,508 The city fathers just couldn't go along with it. 489 00:30:40,508 --> 00:30:44,554 So instead, he managed to buy up property 490 00:30:44,554 --> 00:30:48,892 in this small, rural farm community east of town. 491 00:30:52,604 --> 00:30:58,610 By the time it all came to pass... he owned the place. 492 00:30:58,985 --> 00:31:02,155 - I continue, uh, to promise you I'm not moving to New York. 493 00:31:02,155 --> 00:31:05,158 Only to-- New Albany, yes. New York, no. 494 00:31:05,158 --> 00:31:06,868 [all laughing] 495 00:31:06,868 --> 00:31:08,870 ♪ 496 00:31:11,748 --> 00:31:16,670 - If you are a Jewish guy who grew up in Columbus, Ohio, 497 00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:19,214 which was not a particularly friendly place to Jews, 498 00:31:19,798 --> 00:31:21,925 you come into a lot of money. 499 00:31:21,925 --> 00:31:25,220 It would only be natural to build the biggest, 500 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:29,307 most luxurious, exclusive development possible 501 00:31:29,307 --> 00:31:30,809 near your hometown, 502 00:31:30,809 --> 00:31:34,354 and make all of the goyim aware of exactly how wealthy you are, 503 00:31:34,354 --> 00:31:39,150 and exactly the kinds of people that you are going to invite into your community. 504 00:31:39,150 --> 00:31:42,070 NARRATOR: New Albany is a collection of stunning neighborhoods, 505 00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:44,072 each with its own characteristics, 506 00:31:44,072 --> 00:31:47,075 yet connected by a signature white horse fence 507 00:31:47,075 --> 00:31:49,160 and timeless Georgian architecture. 508 00:31:52,205 --> 00:31:56,459 - He wants to create this sort of Wonderland for himself 509 00:31:56,459 --> 00:31:59,796 that he can exert a measure of control over. 510 00:32:05,635 --> 00:32:11,266 He dictated that the circumference of the trees would all be uniform. 511 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:15,353 The grass is better kept in New Albany. 512 00:32:19,774 --> 00:32:22,569 NOAH KULWIN: This is the idea of the world 513 00:32:22,569 --> 00:32:24,654 that Ralph Lauren was selling. 514 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,451 It's a fantasy, it's a marketing invention. 515 00:32:29,451 --> 00:32:30,702 It doesn't exist. 516 00:32:30,702 --> 00:32:34,915 It's an imaginary idea of what the WASP world was like. 517 00:32:39,127 --> 00:32:43,548 - Wexner, of course, has the largest house in New Albany. 518 00:32:43,548 --> 00:32:47,177 It's an enormous estate sprawling with stables 519 00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:50,847 and what is effectively a guest house. 520 00:32:52,891 --> 00:32:57,896 That house originally belongs to Wexner's original partner 521 00:32:57,896 --> 00:33:00,357 in New Albany, Jack Kessler. 522 00:33:00,357 --> 00:33:06,363 And Jack Kessler sells the house to Jeffrey Epstein for $3.5 million. 523 00:33:07,489 --> 00:33:11,910 Now, Epstein can see from his door Wexner's mansion. 524 00:33:15,914 --> 00:33:20,669 - Jeffrey Epstein was incredibly active in creating, 525 00:33:20,669 --> 00:33:23,547 um, Les Wexner's financial portfolio. 526 00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:28,301 He was a conman thinking about himself and putting himself in there 527 00:33:28,301 --> 00:33:33,056 to reap the dividends of this, uh, bizarre relationship. 528 00:33:35,141 --> 00:33:39,854 - Wexner involved Epstein very early on in the development of New Albany. 529 00:33:39,854 --> 00:33:43,316 Epstein's name pops up as early as 1991 530 00:33:43,316 --> 00:33:48,238 in all of the overlapping entities that were involved in developing New Albany. 531 00:33:52,242 --> 00:33:57,414 - One senior executive said that he told Wexner, in no uncertain terms, 532 00:33:57,414 --> 00:33:59,249 that Epstein was a wolf. 533 00:33:59,249 --> 00:34:03,879 And Wexner just sat there and stared at him silently. 534 00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:10,302 BARRY: Epstein would turn Leslie Wexner against individuals 535 00:34:10,302 --> 00:34:14,306 that he thought, you know, might be standing in his way. 536 00:34:16,182 --> 00:34:18,935 And certainly, there's no question in my mind 537 00:34:18,935 --> 00:34:21,479 that, uh, Jeffrey Epstein came between 538 00:34:21,479 --> 00:34:24,107 Les Wexner and his mother, Bella. 539 00:34:26,818 --> 00:34:29,738 - In the early '90s, Bella Wexner 540 00:34:29,738 --> 00:34:34,951 falls ill and she resigns from the Wexner Foundation Board. 541 00:34:35,535 --> 00:34:37,662 Jeffrey Epstein takes her place. 542 00:34:37,662 --> 00:34:40,916 And then later when she recovers, 543 00:34:40,916 --> 00:34:42,792 she wants her seat back. 544 00:34:42,792 --> 00:34:47,380 And what results is a protracted and difficult lawsuit 545 00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:51,843 that Wexner himself could have resolved at any point. 546 00:34:51,843 --> 00:34:53,303 He doesn't step in 547 00:34:53,303 --> 00:34:56,640 and he's clearly at odds with his mother over it. 548 00:34:59,726 --> 00:35:05,565 - There was always talk that there was something else going on with Les Wexner. 549 00:35:07,317 --> 00:35:10,403 I remember there was a big story in New York Magazine, 550 00:35:10,403 --> 00:35:14,366 a cover story called "The Bachelor Billionaire" about Wexner. 551 00:35:14,366 --> 00:35:17,494 And it really caught your attention because here was this kind of 552 00:35:17,494 --> 00:35:21,414 elfin little guy surrounded by beautiful models. 553 00:35:22,624 --> 00:35:26,169 But you came away from reading it thinking, 554 00:35:26,169 --> 00:35:29,589 "This guy's a real question mark. He's kind of a cipher." 555 00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:31,591 ♪ 556 00:35:35,387 --> 00:35:39,933 - There has been a lot of theorizing about Les's, um, 557 00:35:39,933 --> 00:35:41,810 sexual orientation. 558 00:35:42,477 --> 00:35:44,479 Uh, but here's the thing. 559 00:35:44,479 --> 00:35:46,064 The story goes, 560 00:35:46,064 --> 00:35:48,817 Les had a number of girlfriends 561 00:35:48,817 --> 00:35:54,447 and he was fairly serious, apparently, with a woman here in Columbus. 562 00:35:54,906 --> 00:35:58,118 Unfortunately, she was not Jewish. 563 00:35:58,118 --> 00:36:00,370 Bella put her foot down and said, 564 00:36:00,370 --> 00:36:05,292 "My grandchildren are not going to have a shiksa for a mother." 565 00:36:05,292 --> 00:36:06,960 And that was the end of that. 566 00:36:11,047 --> 00:36:12,674 CONCHITA SARNOFF: People love to gossip. 567 00:36:12,674 --> 00:36:16,636 If a man or a woman is not married by a certain age, 568 00:36:16,636 --> 00:36:18,680 you know, people like to form opinions. 569 00:36:23,101 --> 00:36:26,354 - In the '80s and '90s, Fortune 500 company CEOs 570 00:36:26,354 --> 00:36:28,982 were just simply not gay. 571 00:36:28,982 --> 00:36:31,359 The very notion was incomprehensible. 572 00:36:31,902 --> 00:36:36,323 Wexner needed any rumor like that to go away. 573 00:36:37,866 --> 00:36:39,868 ♪ 574 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:45,290 TIM FERAN: And a few years later, 575 00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:49,461 that's when Abigail Koppel entered the picture. 576 00:36:49,461 --> 00:36:53,006 This beautiful, brilliant, young lawyer in New York. 577 00:36:54,841 --> 00:36:57,219 She's not only Jewish, 578 00:36:57,219 --> 00:37:01,848 her father was one of the founding figures of the state of Israel. 579 00:37:01,848 --> 00:37:07,437 He came over and opened the El Al Israel Airline office in New York. 580 00:37:09,105 --> 00:37:12,192 REPORTER: Wexner's embraced change in his personal life. 581 00:37:12,192 --> 00:37:14,194 He married for the first time. 582 00:37:15,362 --> 00:37:16,988 BARRY: Before the marriage, 583 00:37:16,988 --> 00:37:20,283 Jeffrey Epstein made very clear to Les 584 00:37:20,283 --> 00:37:24,371 that he would oversee the prenuptial agreement. 585 00:37:28,917 --> 00:37:32,963 CINDY: I remember Abigail was pregnant 586 00:37:32,963 --> 00:37:37,968 and I was standing chatting with her at a party. 587 00:37:37,968 --> 00:37:42,681 And she said she had found a nanny she wanted, 588 00:37:42,681 --> 00:37:47,102 but the nanny wasn't inclined to accept the job. 589 00:37:47,102 --> 00:37:52,190 And Abigail said, "I'm gonna sic Jeffrey on her." 590 00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:57,195 - He can work miracles, and do this, and he'll know. 591 00:37:59,614 --> 00:38:00,448 No. 592 00:38:02,534 --> 00:38:06,621 He put a classified ad in The Columbus Dispatch 593 00:38:06,621 --> 00:38:12,460 advertising for a nanny for a wealthy couple in New Albany. 594 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:16,590 Contact Jeffrey Epstein. 595 00:38:19,759 --> 00:38:22,429 CINDY: What it implied to me 596 00:38:22,429 --> 00:38:26,099 was that he may have managed the money, 597 00:38:26,099 --> 00:38:30,478 but clearly, Epstein was deeply involved 598 00:38:30,478 --> 00:38:34,482 in the personal lives of Abigail and Les. 599 00:38:35,859 --> 00:38:37,861 ♪ 600 00:38:39,446 --> 00:38:43,992 - New Albany becomes the location of some alleged crimes, 601 00:38:43,992 --> 00:38:49,164 and it gets very close to the Wexners, both Les and his wife. 602 00:38:49,164 --> 00:38:51,625 ♪ 603 00:38:58,798 --> 00:39:02,594 Maria Farmer was a young art student living in New York. 604 00:39:02,594 --> 00:39:07,182 She ended up meeting Jeffrey Epstein not long after she graduated 605 00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:10,685 in the summer of 1996. 606 00:39:11,603 --> 00:39:13,897 When I spoke to Maria, 607 00:39:13,897 --> 00:39:19,027 she told me that Jeffrey Epstein offered her the wonderful opportunity 608 00:39:19,027 --> 00:39:22,405 to spend the summer at Wexner's estate, 609 00:39:22,405 --> 00:39:24,074 where she's going to have great light 610 00:39:24,074 --> 00:39:25,659 and going to be able to paint. 611 00:39:27,911 --> 00:39:33,083 When Maria got to Wexner's estate, she was brought to the guest house, 612 00:39:33,083 --> 00:39:36,545 which was then owned by Jeffrey Epstein, 613 00:39:36,545 --> 00:39:39,297 and was immediately greeted by security 614 00:39:39,297 --> 00:39:42,926 and found that her movements were really tightly controlled. 615 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,890 She was told that she couldn't go outside without getting explicit permission, 616 00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:51,893 and she was told that there were guard dogs on the property. 617 00:39:54,604 --> 00:39:58,233 Maria Farmer told me that one month into her stay, 618 00:39:58,233 --> 00:40:01,861 Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell assaulted her. 619 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:08,743 What Maria does in the aftermath of that 620 00:40:08,743 --> 00:40:12,122 is lock herself in her room and stack furniture against the door, 621 00:40:12,122 --> 00:40:14,666 so that they can't get in. 622 00:40:14,666 --> 00:40:19,504 She called 911 and was put on hold and eventually hung up on. 623 00:40:19,796 --> 00:40:22,799 She then attempts to call the police. 624 00:40:22,799 --> 00:40:25,302 And when she reaches the local authorities, 625 00:40:25,302 --> 00:40:29,472 the voice on the other line says, "We're already there." 626 00:40:31,057 --> 00:40:35,770 And the police are actually guarding Wexner's home and his gate, 627 00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:38,773 and so, she sort of lost all hope. 628 00:40:41,651 --> 00:40:46,990 - Maria said she was held against her will for a period of 12 hours 629 00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:52,120 before she was allowed to leave the Wexner property in New Albany. 630 00:40:52,495 --> 00:40:55,290 You would think that this would be in a security log, 631 00:40:55,290 --> 00:41:00,962 that his security team would have informed Les Wexner what had taken place. 632 00:41:00,962 --> 00:41:03,298 Sheriff's department there in Franklin County says 633 00:41:03,298 --> 00:41:05,717 that the records from that particular night 634 00:41:05,717 --> 00:41:08,345 are no longer held in the archive. 635 00:41:09,054 --> 00:41:14,684 She eventually spoke to the FBI and we do know that those records exist. 636 00:41:16,978 --> 00:41:18,813 SARAH ELLISON: On the course of reporting the story, 637 00:41:18,813 --> 00:41:23,777 the Wexners were, at first, very reluctant to engage. 638 00:41:23,777 --> 00:41:28,615 But what they told me, eventually, through a spokesman, 639 00:41:28,615 --> 00:41:31,243 that Epstein's house was just one of hundreds 640 00:41:31,243 --> 00:41:35,247 in a community developed by Les Wexner. 641 00:41:35,247 --> 00:41:39,834 When what our reporting indicated was that it was, in fact, impossible 642 00:41:39,834 --> 00:41:45,048 to access Epstein's property without going through Wexner's gate. 643 00:41:46,758 --> 00:41:50,512 Maria presented me with her driver's license 644 00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:51,846 that she had that summer, 645 00:41:51,846 --> 00:41:54,224 and at the bottom of that driver's license 646 00:41:54,224 --> 00:41:57,352 was the address, 1 White Barn Road, 647 00:41:57,352 --> 00:42:00,564 the home address of Les and Abigail Wexner. 648 00:42:03,692 --> 00:42:07,070 REPORTER: Maria Farmer has accused Abigail Wexner of acquiescence 649 00:42:07,070 --> 00:42:09,239 while Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell 650 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,950 sexually assaulted her in the New Albany compound, 651 00:42:11,950 --> 00:42:16,079 and effectively imprisoned her there and kept her under security guard. 652 00:42:18,081 --> 00:42:21,543 - What's so ironic is that, uh, Abigail Wexner 653 00:42:21,543 --> 00:42:25,881 was a champion of charities trying to protect younger women 654 00:42:25,881 --> 00:42:28,049 from domestic abuse. 655 00:42:28,049 --> 00:42:29,926 - People ask me, you know, wh-- was it-- 656 00:42:29,926 --> 00:42:30,927 "Did you have personal history, 657 00:42:30,927 --> 00:42:33,346 or why would you choose to pick this issue?" 658 00:42:33,346 --> 00:42:35,098 Um, and it's pretty simple, you know? 659 00:42:35,098 --> 00:42:39,102 Uh, the whole notion of women and children being abused in our own backyards 660 00:42:39,102 --> 00:42:41,730 is just not something I want to live with. 661 00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:44,149 Um, and so, I chose to get involved. 662 00:42:47,444 --> 00:42:49,696 LES: If somebody has done something bad, 663 00:42:49,696 --> 00:42:51,907 you know, something corrupt, 664 00:42:51,907 --> 00:42:55,368 uh, taken advantage of their leadership position, 665 00:42:55,368 --> 00:42:58,038 uh, I will execute them publicly. 666 00:43:11,009 --> 00:43:13,345 ♪ 667 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,806 - The industry overall is just exploding. 668 00:43:16,806 --> 00:43:20,018 And now, we're also, um, experiencing tremendous growth 669 00:43:20,018 --> 00:43:21,394 in the junior market as well. 670 00:43:21,394 --> 00:43:24,397 That's really coming on strong, the new young consumer. 671 00:43:26,233 --> 00:43:30,195 - In the early aughts, Wexner decided to expand his audience 672 00:43:30,195 --> 00:43:33,573 and marketed the new brand PINK towards young girls. 673 00:43:34,449 --> 00:43:37,577 MINDY: I think, uh, Les was pretty excited about PINK, 674 00:43:37,577 --> 00:43:40,205 and so, it got a lot of attention. 675 00:43:40,205 --> 00:43:42,082 He saw an opportunity 676 00:43:42,082 --> 00:43:44,584 and he, he likes to exploit an opportunity. 677 00:43:45,961 --> 00:43:48,255 SARA: One day, they cleared the whole hosiery room out 678 00:43:48,255 --> 00:43:51,758 and they were just putting all this crazy, bright-colored cotton, 679 00:43:51,758 --> 00:43:55,679 tiny panties, and matching camisoles, and sweatpants out. 680 00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,682 And then the music went pop. 681 00:44:01,685 --> 00:44:06,064 - PINK was created to complement this bombshell Victoria's Secret brand. 682 00:44:06,064 --> 00:44:10,527 And it actually made them more relevant because of the culture shift to that. 683 00:44:11,027 --> 00:44:14,781 They were targeting that millennial generation. 684 00:44:15,657 --> 00:44:20,287 - Ed Razek would use the term "fantasy" for Victoria's Secret. 685 00:44:22,122 --> 00:44:25,542 For PINK, the specific word that they used was "FOMO." 686 00:44:26,793 --> 00:44:28,003 They wanted to create FOMO. 687 00:44:28,003 --> 00:44:31,631 They wanted people to have a fear of missing out. 688 00:44:32,215 --> 00:44:35,510 That was the marketing strategy and it worked. 689 00:44:37,387 --> 00:44:39,639 We would specifically have events 690 00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,268 that the goal was for people to post and take photos of, 691 00:44:43,268 --> 00:44:46,104 so that they would be sharing on their social media 692 00:44:46,104 --> 00:44:50,275 that they had this incredible experience with the brand. 693 00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:53,820 NARRATOR: PINK ensures the long-term growth of Victoria's Secret 694 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:56,448 by bringing in a steady stream of young customers 695 00:44:56,448 --> 00:44:58,575 who we can hold for decades. 696 00:44:58,575 --> 00:45:01,411 - That was the one that didn't sit well with me. 697 00:45:03,413 --> 00:45:06,166 You already had this brand that had standards 698 00:45:06,166 --> 00:45:09,502 that were unattainable to the everyday person. 699 00:45:09,502 --> 00:45:11,254 And now, you were trying to do things 700 00:45:11,254 --> 00:45:14,174 that would make girls feel worse about themselves. 701 00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:17,302 PERSON 1: Let's go! PERSON 2: Stand by sexy delicious. 702 00:45:17,302 --> 00:45:19,512 This is the one with all the, um, sweeties. 703 00:45:19,512 --> 00:45:22,098 Adriana's the first one out. 704 00:45:23,433 --> 00:45:25,602 ♪ upbeat music playing ♪ 705 00:45:33,652 --> 00:45:36,780 - Come with me, girls! Come with me! Come on! 706 00:45:38,949 --> 00:45:42,285 - I was wearing balloons. They were not clothes. 707 00:45:42,285 --> 00:45:43,995 They were not sold in the stores. 708 00:45:44,412 --> 00:45:47,249 DOROTHEA BARTH-JORGENSEN: I had this dress with toy things around 709 00:45:47,249 --> 00:45:52,254 and the whole set was pretty much based on toys. 710 00:45:52,254 --> 00:45:55,632 I didn't even know who Justin Bieber was before I did that show. 711 00:45:55,632 --> 00:45:58,593 My sister's children were so excited 712 00:45:58,593 --> 00:46:01,304 that I've been going on the runway with Justin Bieber. 713 00:46:01,304 --> 00:46:03,598 [Justin singing] 714 00:46:05,767 --> 00:46:07,185 They were so obsessed with him. 715 00:46:07,185 --> 00:46:11,523 And they're, like, 10 and 12 at the time, so I think, definitely, 716 00:46:12,023 --> 00:46:13,441 they hit the target. 717 00:46:15,026 --> 00:46:18,446 - It wasn't about the clothes as much as it was about the models 718 00:46:18,446 --> 00:46:22,742 fulfilling this idea of this fantasy that Victoria's Secret wanted to fulfill. 719 00:46:25,745 --> 00:46:28,456 CINDY: Here we have the naughty policeman. 720 00:46:28,707 --> 00:46:34,713 Oh, here we have the little school girl in her little kilt. 721 00:46:35,171 --> 00:46:38,675 This little girl is wearing powder puffs. 722 00:46:38,675 --> 00:46:41,303 Oh, and carrying a hula hoop. 723 00:46:41,803 --> 00:46:46,808 The New York Times called out, uh, Barbie doll-like bodies. 724 00:46:46,808 --> 00:46:50,645 This little Barbie is riding a tricycle. 725 00:46:50,645 --> 00:46:54,649 I think that's what she might be doing there. 726 00:46:54,649 --> 00:46:57,027 [cheering, applause] 727 00:47:00,530 --> 00:47:01,865 SARA: For me, that's when I was-- 728 00:47:01,865 --> 00:47:03,867 felt like something was going the wrong direction. 729 00:47:03,867 --> 00:47:08,872 I mean, 'cause PINK was literally designed to target teenagers and tweens. 730 00:47:09,331 --> 00:47:11,499 ♪ tense music playing ♪ 731 00:47:15,462 --> 00:47:17,464 And so, that did not feel good. 732 00:47:17,464 --> 00:47:19,466 ♪ 733 00:47:31,061 --> 00:47:33,605 - I think what happened for Victoria's Secret 734 00:47:33,605 --> 00:47:35,982 is, like, you have to up the ante every time, 735 00:47:35,982 --> 00:47:37,442 you have to renew the brand, 736 00:47:37,442 --> 00:47:42,155 so at one point, as a whole, it became a little too much. 737 00:47:42,989 --> 00:47:45,951 And I think this is where the moment came, 738 00:47:45,951 --> 00:47:48,245 where younger women were looking at that 739 00:47:48,245 --> 00:47:53,667 and saying, "This is not fair to me. I don't feel comfortable looking at this." 740 00:47:55,877 --> 00:47:57,546 JAMES: With the advent of MeToo, 741 00:47:57,546 --> 00:47:59,297 that's when the world shifted 742 00:47:59,297 --> 00:48:00,674 because, all of a sudden, 743 00:48:00,674 --> 00:48:05,220 word leaked that models were being assaulted by photographers, 744 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:08,306 that they were also being touched and grabbed in fittings, 745 00:48:08,306 --> 00:48:12,602 and that other people in the Victoria's Secret, uh, organization 746 00:48:12,602 --> 00:48:14,271 were making comments, 747 00:48:14,271 --> 00:48:17,274 or getting a little too handsy with the girls. 748 00:48:17,983 --> 00:48:20,694 Now they had this whole sexual harassment thing 749 00:48:20,694 --> 00:48:23,822 starting to brew over their heads. 750 00:48:25,907 --> 00:48:27,450 REPORTER: New York Times reportedly uncovered 751 00:48:27,450 --> 00:48:30,662 a slew of complaints against Ed Razek 752 00:48:30,662 --> 00:48:33,915 saying he acted inappropriately on several occasions. 753 00:48:33,915 --> 00:48:37,460 Other executives say they told Leslie Wexner about this, 754 00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:39,170 but nothing was done, they say. 755 00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:41,089 - I don't remember what we were talking about. 756 00:48:41,089 --> 00:48:44,926 Maybe there was some kind of MeToo thing happening in the news, 757 00:48:44,926 --> 00:48:47,345 but Ed's assistant made a comment. 758 00:48:47,345 --> 00:48:49,806 She said, "If I had a dollar for every time 759 00:48:49,806 --> 00:48:53,768 a sexual harassment case came across my email, I'd be rich." 760 00:48:53,768 --> 00:48:56,021 And, like, Ed laughed, other people laughed, 761 00:48:56,021 --> 00:48:57,063 and it was just like, 762 00:48:57,063 --> 00:48:58,940 I felt really awkward, but I also laughed. 763 00:48:58,940 --> 00:49:02,944 And it was just, like, this very normal thing to make a joke like that. 764 00:49:03,695 --> 00:49:05,697 ♪ 765 00:49:17,042 --> 00:49:20,879 - There was a lot of things that were really not acceptable, 766 00:49:20,879 --> 00:49:23,715 but the culture we were in then was very different, 767 00:49:23,715 --> 00:49:26,259 and you kind of had to brush things off 768 00:49:26,259 --> 00:49:28,887 and almost take a blind eye to it. 769 00:49:29,471 --> 00:49:33,391 - In the industry, and also, the culture itself, 770 00:49:33,391 --> 00:49:37,145 there are opportunities for people to do very bad things. 771 00:49:37,938 --> 00:49:40,941 And so, all we could do is to make sure 772 00:49:40,941 --> 00:49:43,235 that the talent feel comfortable, 773 00:49:43,235 --> 00:49:47,280 to let us know if something bad happened to them. 774 00:49:48,615 --> 00:49:52,744 And I can say sitting in this chair, 775 00:49:52,744 --> 00:49:57,165 I've had very few models report to me 776 00:49:57,874 --> 00:50:00,377 um, serious abuse. 777 00:50:00,794 --> 00:50:03,213 But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 778 00:50:04,756 --> 00:50:06,383 That didn't mean it didn't happen. 779 00:50:08,718 --> 00:50:10,512 JAMES: No one would've ever said anything 780 00:50:10,512 --> 00:50:13,098 because they wouldn't wanna stop the cash stream. 781 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:15,809 And the worst thing is, you know, years later, 782 00:50:15,809 --> 00:50:17,602 you hear, you know, I hear from agents, 783 00:50:17,602 --> 00:50:19,729 "Oh, we all knew he did this and we all know she did that. 784 00:50:19,729 --> 00:50:21,523 "And we all-- But, you know, we just turned our heads 785 00:50:21,523 --> 00:50:23,483 because we made so much money." 786 00:50:23,483 --> 00:50:26,278 I was kinda shattered myself to think like, 787 00:50:26,278 --> 00:50:30,198 "Wow, I can't believe, like, you knew you were sending 788 00:50:30,198 --> 00:50:31,825 "models to these people, 789 00:50:31,825 --> 00:50:34,703 and, you know, just hoping that something wouldn't happen." 790 00:50:36,705 --> 00:50:40,333 It was really, um-- The complicity was shocking. 791 00:50:45,088 --> 00:50:49,426 CONCHITA: In 2006, Epstein's abuse of women, 792 00:50:49,426 --> 00:50:53,096 particularly underage girls, came to light. 793 00:50:53,096 --> 00:50:54,180 He got caught. 794 00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:57,934 There were two very small Palm Beach Post articles 795 00:50:57,934 --> 00:51:00,145 that basically just stated the facts. 796 00:51:00,145 --> 00:51:03,648 He was arrested, his name, his address, and why he was arrested, 797 00:51:03,648 --> 00:51:06,818 solicitation of prostitution, period. 798 00:51:09,946 --> 00:51:12,365 - The relationship between Wexner and Epstein 799 00:51:12,365 --> 00:51:16,453 was, was really pretty unknown, publicly. 800 00:51:16,453 --> 00:51:19,748 So, Wexner didn't have to answer for this relationship 801 00:51:19,748 --> 00:51:24,377 and continued to operate with Epstein under the radar. 802 00:51:28,131 --> 00:51:31,760 - Les Wexner removed his, uh, power of attorney, 803 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,056 but this didn't occur until December 2007, 804 00:51:36,056 --> 00:51:38,058 more than a year later. 805 00:51:38,975 --> 00:51:43,021 - Wexner is the CEO of a publicly traded company, 806 00:51:43,021 --> 00:51:46,316 and his closest advisor 807 00:51:46,316 --> 00:51:49,611 has been arrested on really lurid charges. 808 00:51:49,611 --> 00:51:54,658 And you have to wonder why the delay in severing ties. 809 00:51:55,617 --> 00:51:58,119 In my reporting, the only way I could get to the bottom of it 810 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:00,956 was to try to talk to people who knew Wexner well. 811 00:52:00,956 --> 00:52:03,750 And... all they could do was say that 812 00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:06,628 Epstein had to have some kind of hold over Wexner. 813 00:52:09,714 --> 00:52:12,342 - The end result was a lot of nothing. 814 00:52:12,342 --> 00:52:14,469 It was a slap on the wrist. 815 00:52:14,469 --> 00:52:16,930 REPORTER 1: After 18 months in the Palm Beach Detention Facility, 816 00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:20,392 Epstein'll serve another 12 months house arrest at his Palm Beach home. 817 00:52:20,392 --> 00:52:21,935 REPORTER 2: An arrangement enjoyed by 818 00:52:21,935 --> 00:52:24,604 how many other convicted sex offenders? 819 00:52:28,149 --> 00:52:29,776 BARRY: He had in his tent 820 00:52:29,776 --> 00:52:32,487 some of the wealthiest men in the world, 821 00:52:32,487 --> 00:52:35,907 included a member of the Royal family in Prince Andrew, 822 00:52:35,907 --> 00:52:40,912 that he was able to acquire through his relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. 823 00:52:41,621 --> 00:52:46,877 It was also two U.S. Presidents, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. 824 00:52:46,877 --> 00:52:48,795 REPORTER: In a 2002 magazine article, 825 00:52:48,795 --> 00:52:51,464 Trump called Epstein a terrific guy, 826 00:52:51,464 --> 00:52:55,468 adding, "It is even said he likes beautiful women as much as I do, 827 00:52:55,468 --> 00:52:58,096 and many of them are on the younger side." 828 00:52:59,764 --> 00:53:03,768 - Nobody paid much attention to the Florida conviction. 829 00:53:03,768 --> 00:53:07,063 There's some brief headlines and then it goes away. 830 00:53:07,063 --> 00:53:10,275 Jeffrey Epstein continued his lifestyle. 831 00:53:11,943 --> 00:53:15,655 And pretty much said after the Florida conviction, 832 00:53:15,655 --> 00:53:18,450 this was, uh, nothing worse than stealing a bagel. 833 00:53:21,578 --> 00:53:27,542 - They were business associates, at the very least, 834 00:53:27,542 --> 00:53:32,923 friends, probably, additionally, for over 20 years. 835 00:53:34,090 --> 00:53:38,762 It's a long time... not to become aware 836 00:53:40,013 --> 00:53:46,019 that someone's behavior is not what it should be. 837 00:53:47,729 --> 00:53:49,981 LES: There are times when I think I've made decisions 838 00:53:49,981 --> 00:53:53,693 that I'm not proud of... in hindsight, 839 00:53:53,693 --> 00:53:57,113 but I don't think I've made a decision 840 00:53:57,113 --> 00:53:59,491 consciously in the moment where I said if, you know, 841 00:53:59,491 --> 00:54:04,204 "If this were on the front page of the newspaper, would I be embarrassed?" 842 00:54:04,204 --> 00:54:07,040 And, and I think that, uh, you know, 843 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,626 in, in a, in a tough business world or a tough world, 844 00:54:09,626 --> 00:54:12,796 I think you can make decisions that are tough, 845 00:54:12,796 --> 00:54:16,508 but that have, um, moral integrity. 846 00:54:16,508 --> 00:54:19,761 Now, that moral integrity and compass, 847 00:54:19,761 --> 00:54:22,847 your, your moral integrity, your ethical moral compass 848 00:54:22,847 --> 00:54:25,308 has a lot of judgments. 849 00:54:26,101 --> 00:54:28,103 ♪ 850 00:54:31,982 --> 00:54:36,903 - My experience in reporting on other sort of moguls and billionaires, 851 00:54:36,903 --> 00:54:41,324 they're all secretive to some degree, they all want some level of privacy, 852 00:54:41,324 --> 00:54:43,535 but Wexner is one of the most. 853 00:54:43,535 --> 00:54:45,453 It begs the question why, 854 00:54:45,453 --> 00:54:51,293 when there are questions that he would do well to answer, 855 00:54:51,793 --> 00:54:54,337 that he has avoided entirely. 856 00:54:55,755 --> 00:54:58,508 All the work that he put into building this fortune, 857 00:54:58,508 --> 00:55:01,469 and this business and these brands. 858 00:55:04,306 --> 00:55:06,308 There's a cloud over all of it now. 859 00:55:07,767 --> 00:55:10,854 BOB KENDRICK: Les Wexner is in some hot water. 860 00:55:10,854 --> 00:55:15,734 A civil complaint has been filed against Wexner, the founder of L Brands. 861 00:55:15,734 --> 00:55:19,029 - Victoria's Secret founder Les Wexner in the headlines again, 862 00:55:19,029 --> 00:55:22,449 being sued by one of the shareholders of the company he founded. 863 00:55:23,825 --> 00:55:26,494 REPORTER 1: Some see the L Brand image tarnished 864 00:55:26,494 --> 00:55:29,539 following scrutiny over Wexner's relationship 865 00:55:29,539 --> 00:55:32,167 with the late financier Jeffrey Epstein. 866 00:55:32,167 --> 00:55:34,211 REPORTER 2: An investigation is underway in Paris 867 00:55:34,211 --> 00:55:36,546 after a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein, 868 00:55:36,546 --> 00:55:39,174 modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, 869 00:55:39,174 --> 00:55:41,635 was found dead this morning in his prison cell. 870 00:55:42,677 --> 00:55:44,846 - This is astounding to hear considering the fact 871 00:55:44,846 --> 00:55:49,142 that he died exactly the same way, uh, Jeffrey Epstein did. 872 00:55:49,142 --> 00:55:51,144 ♪ 873 00:56:34,437 --> 00:56:36,439 ♪ 874 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,722 ♪