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[distant siren blaring]

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[cars honking]

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{\an8}[Mitch]   Once
negotiations broke down,

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{\an8}we were left
with little choice.

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The decision was
made for us to insert gas

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in an effort to coerce those
on the inside to come out.

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We followed protocol to a T.

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The Davidians were raining
down gunfire on my men.

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It looked like Christmas
out there with bullets hitting

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our tanks, and my men
showed such restraint.

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Not a single shot was
returned from the FBI.

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Now with that being
said, are there tactics

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or decisions that you
would've made differently?

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Not a one.

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Not a one, huh?

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[man over PA] This
is not an assault.

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The siege is over now.

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The gas you will be smelling
is a non-lethal tear gas.

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  -[people screaming]
  -Exit the compound.

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[reporter on TV] ...M60 vehicle,

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this combat engineering vehicle,

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uh, pumped tear gas...

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Gary, the Davidians
had a death wish.

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That's not on the FBI.

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This thing was never gonna
turn out any different than it did.

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If anything, we
should've gone in sooner,

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once we realized
that negotiations

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weren't yielding any results.

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  -No results?
  -[Mitch] Yeah.

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You know I seem to recall
negotiating 35 people out

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of that building safely,
including 21 children.

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You're acting like we rushed in.

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We waited 51 days,
we gave you 51 days

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to try to talk 'em out,
and you couldn't do it.

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  -[explosion]
  -[people scream]

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Why isn't anyone coming
out? They should be coming out.

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  -[man] No!
  -[tank rumbling]

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{\an8}  [man grunts]

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{\an8}[reporter on TV]
...inside this building.

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Seventeen of those
95 people, children.

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Some 30...

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[woman coughs]

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  -We give up. We give up.
  -[Mitch] Okay.

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Somebody help me!

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We got people down here!

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Wait! Wait!

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You failed, you didn't do
your job, so we had to do ours.

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[Alan] Gentlemen, why
don't we all take a break?

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Hmm?

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Give everyone a
chance to cool down.

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Gary, you need to
get your shit together.

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We need to come clean, Alan.

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  -Oh.
  -People are angry

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about what happened in
Waco, and they're scared

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because they think
that we did it on purpose.

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And we're too scared

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to tell them the truth,
that they're wrong.

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It wasn't part of
some master plan.

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It was just a bunch of bad
decisions and incompetence.

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[Mitch] Speak
for yourself, Gary.

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Your men, they may
have been incompetent.

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Mine sure weren't.

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Oh, yeah.

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[sucks teeth] Well, the
medal is in the mail, Mitch.

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[reporter on TV] Sunny
day today. We can expect

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much, much more of the
same over the next few days.

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You might wanna do some
of those outdoor activities

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      -you've been saving up for.
  -Thanks, Sammy.

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[reporter]   Coming up next,

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the trial of the Waco Five

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begins in San Antonio this week

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as a federal grand jury
indicted five of the surviving

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Branch Davidians for
unlawful possession of firearms,

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and aiding in the
murder of federal officers.

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[man] You ask me,

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it's the FBI that
should be standing trial,

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not those religious nuts.

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Our government
just went in there,

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burned those people
alive, women and children.

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[man 2] I think every
ATF and FBI agent

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at Waco should go to jail.

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dramatic music plays

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theme music plays

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  -[siren wailing]
  -[indistinct chatter]

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  -[Dusty] Noesner.
  -[Gary] Yeah.

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[Dusty] It's been awhile.

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[Gary] Oh yeah,
sure has, since what?

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The, uh, Atlanta Prison Riots?

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No, I feel like I've
seen you since.

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Oh, yeah? So, uh,
what's on the menu today?

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Well, we got four guys
wearing ex-presidents masks.

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Oh, like that movie Point Break?

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Never said they were original.

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No, these guys have been
running around all over,

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robbing banks in Oklahoma,

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Arkansas, 21 in all.

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They're efficient, you know,
smart, in and out, 90 seconds,

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so local authorities had
had a hard time figuring out

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where they are until today
when we got a last-minute tip

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that bank was gonna
be their next target.

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Now, we managed to
grab three of the guys,

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but one of them has
barricaded himself inside,

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and he has hostages.

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We feel all four of
these guys are members

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of the Aryan Republican Army.

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Oh, great. Nazis.

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[telephone ringing]

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What?

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[Gary on phone]
Hi, my name's Gary.

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Who am I speaking with?

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People call me "Wild Bill".

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Well, Wild Bill, I'm
here to help you.

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[Wild Bill]   Yeah?
Well, you can help me

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by getting me a helicopter,

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and I want it now

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or I'm gonna
start killing people.

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And don't even think
about trying to come in here

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because I got a pipe
bomb and I will blow

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this place sky
high if you try it.

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[Gary]   Let me look into
getting you that helicopter.

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I'm serious!

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[Gary]   I'm taking
you seriously, Wild Bill.

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  -Is Bomb Squad present?
  -Uh-hmm.

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Good. Keep 'em ready.

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All right. So, uh,
they're gonna need

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a little time getting
you that helicopter.

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  -No. I want it now!
  -[Gary]   I do, too.

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But right now, the
only available helicopter

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is 50 miles away.

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In the meantime,
maybe you can tell me

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how you got into this mess?

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Yeah. I got into this mess

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because somebody
has to fight back.

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You can only push people so far.

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[Gary]   That's very true.

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[device beeping]

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[sighs]

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[watch stops beeping]

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[engine starts]

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[gunshots]

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Who gave you permission
to use that thing in here?

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I'm a big boy, I gave
myself permission.

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Machines are not allowed
in here without a court order.

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Okay. Here's my court order.

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Funny.

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I don't see my
signature on that.

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Judge Smith.

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I'm Dan Cogdell. I
represent Clive Doyle.

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You're not defending
anybody with that thing in here.

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I want it gone by
the time we begin.

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Uh, but, Your Honor, I
have all my notes in it.

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[Judge Smith] Then I
suggest you find a way

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to get your notes out of it.

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[Dan] Oh, shit.

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dramatic music plays

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[crowd shouting]

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[woman] Baby killers!

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How come they hate us so much?

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They don't even know us.

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We'll be okay...

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somehow.

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[Judge Smith] You
wanted to present a motion?

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[Dan] I did, Your Honor.

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I would ask to predefine
inflammatory words.

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Inflammatory words?

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Yes, Your Honor, we would move

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to make certain
words inadmissible.

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Which words would you
recommend we ban, Mr. Cogdell?

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Well, for example,

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we would motion to
exclude the word "compound"

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when referring to the
home at Mount Carmel,

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as the word "compound"
has militaristic connotations.

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At this point the word
"compound" has been used

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a million times to
refer to Mount Carmel.

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But to the defendants
this was not a compound,

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this was their home

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where they lived
and raised children,

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where they had a God-given
right to practice their--

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[Judge Smith] Save it
for the trial, Mr. Cogdell.

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Denied. Next.

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[Dan] We would like
to exclude the term

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"Branch Davidians".

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They never call
themselves by that name.

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Objection.

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If we can't call them
Branch Davidians,

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then what are we
supposed to call them?

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  -Out to lunch?
  -[Dan] Well, I think

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we can all agree that moniker

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has been thoroughly
tarnished by the media.

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[Judge Smith] The
term "Branch Davidian"

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was tarnished by
their own actions.

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[Dan] But, Your Honor,
they are not on trial

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for their religious beliefs.

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The defense used the
term "Branch Davidians"

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in their own filings.

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I have a motion here filed

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by Rocket Rosen of the defense.

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Who's Rocket Rosen?

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I am, Your Honor.

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Your name is Rocket?

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[Rocket] Yes, Your Honor.

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I was born on the 4th of July,

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so my daddy named me Rocket.

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Well, I was born on October 26,
so my daddy named me Walter.

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     -Did you file this motion?
  -I did.

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  -But that was a mistake.
   -[Judge Smith] Motion denied.

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Next.

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[Dan] The word "cult".

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Do they not yet realize
that this was a cult?

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[Rocket] This was no cult.

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It was a communal church

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and David Koresh
was their pastor.

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Once that pastor takes 20 wives

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and leads his church
to mass suicide,

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I would say the word
"cult" is applicable.

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But the defendants are
not on trial for mass suicide.

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Nobody thinks that any one
of them had anything to do

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with any fire or
had multiple wives

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or took child
brides or any of it.

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Using the word
"cult" is an attempt

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to try our clients for
another man's sins.

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[Judge Smith] Motion denied.

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[Dan] My client Clive Doyle

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was there 15 years

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{\an8}before David
Koresh's arrival.

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{\an8}  Rose and thorn, Karen?

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My thorn is I didn't sleep

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very well 'cause Shari
kept stealing all the covers.

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And rose, I got extra
oatmeal at breakfast.

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Well, how about you, Shari?

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Rose, playing.

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Thorn, Karen.

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[laughter]

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How about you, Dad?

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Thorn is my back's
been hurting me again.

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My rose is that I get to
spend this moment right now

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with my two favorite people
in the entire world, you two.

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[Lois] I have never
wavered on this, George,

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you don't wear a sidearm
for Sabbath service.

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Why do you think
you're so special, mama?

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That you get to
make all the rules?

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Because I am your prophet.

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[motorcycle engine roaring]

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[engine stops]

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Don't mind him.

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My name is Vernon Howell.

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I'm looking for the
Prophet Lois Roden.

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Come in.

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Service is starting.

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[Wild Bill on phone]
That's what you don't get.

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It's about being a patriot

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'cause this country
has lost its way.

253
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It's turned against the people

254
00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:39,840
who made it great
in the first place.

255
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,130
So what are we supposed to do?

256
00:12:41,330 --> 00:12:42,170
Just wait for things to change

257
00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:43,630
or do we fight back?

258
00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:45,550
And in your eyes, robbing banks

259
00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:47,510
is a way of fighting back?

260
00:12:47,710 --> 00:12:50,050
[Wild Bill]   No, robbing
banks was never the point.

261
00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:51,630
Then what is?

262
00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,640
[inhales sharply]
Yeah. You'll see.

263
00:12:58,140 --> 00:12:59,480
Yeah, payback's coming.

264
00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,270
It's coming sooner
than you think.

265
00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,230
[Gary] Look, we've been
talking now for 20 hours.

266
00:13:09,940 --> 00:13:11,530
And it seems to
me that you and I

267
00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:12,620
aren't gonna agree on much.

268
00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:15,660
So maybe we could focus

269
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on what we do agree on.

270
00:13:18,750 --> 00:13:20,160
Yeah, like what?

271
00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:23,380
[Gary]   Like you and
your friends have robbed

272
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21 banks successfully,

273
00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,720
nobody hurt, perfectly executed.

274
00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,720
No, I'm not admitting
the other banks.

275
00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:30,840
[Gary]   I'm not
asking you to do that.

276
00:13:31,050 --> 00:13:35,220
But you see to the world
right now, you're a legend.

277
00:13:35,420 --> 00:13:38,140
You're Robin Hood, 22
banks and you haven't

278
00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:40,810
hurt a single person.

279
00:13:41,010 --> 00:13:43,190
Now you'll do a few
years' time for sure.

280
00:13:43,390 --> 00:13:45,230
But then, who knows?

281
00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:47,740
Maybe you'd sell
your movie rights

282
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to Hollywood and go sip
margaritas on a beach.

283
00:13:50,650 --> 00:13:52,280
[scoffs]

284
00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,620
[Gary]   But the second
you take someone's life,

285
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you are just another murderer.

286
00:14:00,750 --> 00:14:02,790
And nobody will care

287
00:14:02,990 --> 00:14:05,590
what you have to say ever again.

288
00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:09,630
You come out of that bank
and you're gonna have options.

289
00:14:09,830 --> 00:14:13,180
You come out of that bank,
you're gonna have a future.

290
00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:16,850
You want people to hear
what you have to say,

291
00:14:17,050 --> 00:14:18,930
then come out of the bank.

292
00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:26,610
[door creaks open]

293
00:14:26,810 --> 00:14:31,030
[Wild Bill] Don't shoot!
Unarmed! Unarmed!

294
00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:33,360
[police officer] Clear!
Get down on your knees.

295
00:14:34,820 --> 00:14:36,530
Hands on your head.

296
00:14:37,740 --> 00:14:39,280
Interlace your fingers.

297
00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,300
Our best strategy is
going to be to convince

298
00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:49,420
the jury that David
Koresh was misunderstood.

299
00:14:49,620 --> 00:14:51,300
We need to humanize
him, make him seem less

300
00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:53,510
like the boogeyman,
more relatable.

301
00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:55,010
David Koresh was

302
00:14:55,210 --> 00:14:57,510
an opportunistic
narcissistic piece of shit.

303
00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,600
We're not in the business
of defending Koresh.

304
00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,310
  -He's dead.
  -(scoffs)

305
00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:03,730
Well, if that's how you feel,

306
00:15:03,930 --> 00:15:05,060
then why'd you
even take this case?

307
00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:07,270
The issue can't
be whether or not

308
00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:08,730
Koresh was the messiah.

309
00:15:08,930 --> 00:15:11,360
If that's our case,
then they win,

310
00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,110
because guess what?

311
00:15:13,310 --> 00:15:14,530
He wasn't.

312
00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:16,830
Our case has to
be about the fact

313
00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:18,620
the United States government

314
00:15:18,820 --> 00:15:21,160
raided these people's
home without cause.

315
00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920
And it was their
overreach, their hubris

316
00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,090
that led to the deaths of 76
people including 17 children.

317
00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:29,170
And in America, you
don't get to do that

318
00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:31,470
because, if they can do
what they did to our clients

319
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:33,680
and get away with
it, it'll give everyone

320
00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,430
with a badge and a gun from
a Wackenhut security guard

321
00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:38,510
to Janet Reno the authority

322
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:40,180
to do whatever they want,

323
00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:41,350
to whomever they want,

324
00:15:41,550 --> 00:15:43,100
however they want.

325
00:15:44,470 --> 00:15:46,520
And that's the argument
we need to make.

326
00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,360
  -[lawyer] Amen.
  -[Rocket] Yeah.

327
00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,280
What in the hell is that
asshole doing here?

328
00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,950
You get lost,
Johnston, or are you,

329
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:56,200
uh, here to beg for mercy?

330
00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,410
Neither. I've got
an offer for you.

331
00:16:00,610 --> 00:16:03,660
[Dan] They're offering 15 years
with the possibility of parole.

332
00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:06,710
What would I have to
do if I did take the deal?

333
00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:09,210
You'd have to plead
guilty and then testify

334
00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:11,840
against the other
members of your group.

335
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,170
No, wait, wait, wait.

336
00:16:14,370 --> 00:16:15,760
Before you close
your mind to it,

337
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,510
you should know
that they've offered

338
00:16:17,710 --> 00:16:19,390
the same deal
to all five of you.

339
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:21,680
If you don't take it,
you face the possibility

340
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,470
of life without parole.

341
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,230
But I didn't do anything.

342
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:30,320
Clive, unfortunately,
that doesn't matter.

343
00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,230
It's a conspiracy charge.

344
00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:35,360
If any single one of
you is found guilty,

345
00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,700
then you're all guilty.

346
00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:40,910
If any one of you pulled
the trigger of a gun,

347
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:43,080
then you all pulled the trigger.

348
00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,250
You're gonna rise
and fall together.

349
00:16:45,450 --> 00:16:47,750
You got until opening
statements to decide

350
00:16:47,950 --> 00:16:50,500
and then the
deal's off the table.

351
00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,340
[Judge Smith] Here is
what is going to happen.

352
00:16:54,540 --> 00:16:56,760
Instead of arguing
about this juror

353
00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,220
or that juror,

354
00:16:58,420 --> 00:17:01,010
going back and
forth, you, then you.

355
00:17:01,210 --> 00:17:04,770
I am gonna save
us a whole lot of time

356
00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:06,440
and the American taxpayer

357
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,480
a lot of money and
help pick the jury myself.

358
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:09,730
So you can all relax.

359
00:17:09,930 --> 00:17:11,610
Objection, Your Honor.

360
00:17:11,810 --> 00:17:13,780
You can't object to
me. I'm the judge.

361
00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:15,820
[Dan] Well, then, uh, exception.

362
00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:18,320
Noted.

363
00:17:20,570 --> 00:17:21,990
[Dan scoffs]

364
00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:23,360
Can he do that?

365
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:30,500
How do you feel about
people who join a cult?

366
00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:31,750
Objection.

367
00:17:31,950 --> 00:17:34,960
Exception, Your Hon-- shit.

368
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,090
[clicks tongue] How do you feel

369
00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:37,930
about people who join

370
00:17:38,130 --> 00:17:40,390
extremist religious groups?

371
00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:43,140
I do have negative
feelings towards people

372
00:17:43,340 --> 00:17:46,980
who abuse children if
that's what you're asking.

373
00:17:47,180 --> 00:17:48,770
Or people who give
their sense of choice

374
00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:51,310
over to false prophets.

375
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,150
[Judge Smith] You can stay.

376
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:55,650
[Vernon]   So, Clive,
how'd you come to be here?

377
00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:58,200
My mom and I heard
some of Lois's teachings,

378
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,650
so we followed that
message all the way here.

379
00:18:01,570 --> 00:18:03,410
That was 15 years ago.

380
00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:04,740
[Vernon] All the
way from Australia?

381
00:18:04,940 --> 00:18:07,000
I don't think I'll ever leave.

382
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,660
Wow.

383
00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:13,420
How about you?
What brought you here?

384
00:18:13,620 --> 00:18:14,870
Me?

385
00:18:16,290 --> 00:18:19,050
Well, I learned to read
by reading the Bible.

386
00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:21,640
I can't see so well,
you know, all the letters

387
00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,810
get mixed up and stuff, so I
have trouble reading books,

388
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:26,930
but the Bible.

389
00:18:27,130 --> 00:18:29,470
Man, I could just sit
and read it like magic.

390
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,770
And you know what struck me?

391
00:18:32,970 --> 00:18:35,320
[Clive] Huh.

392
00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,150
I mean, for years, I asked
anyone who might know,

393
00:18:38,350 --> 00:18:40,530
"Hey, what happened
to all those old prophets?

394
00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:42,280
Are there any still living now?

395
00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,030
Or did they all get stuck
here in this old book?"

396
00:18:45,230 --> 00:18:46,700
And they'd say, "Quiet, boy.

397
00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:48,000
Sit down and listen
to what we're teachin'."

398
00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,710
[laughs]

399
00:18:49,910 --> 00:18:51,710
[Vernon] But nobody could
answer that one question.

400
00:18:51,910 --> 00:18:54,380
So I turned to God
and I asked Him,

401
00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:58,880
"Please, if there's a prophet,
please lead me there."

402
00:19:00,460 --> 00:19:02,510
Then three days
later, out of the blue,

403
00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:04,300
my grandma tells me
about some prophet out here

404
00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:06,300
on the plains of Waco.

405
00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:08,310
Her name was Lois Roden,

406
00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:10,600
and she lived at a place
called Mount Carmel.

407
00:19:13,020 --> 00:19:15,310
Went to my room,
packed my stuff,

408
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:17,100
got here as fast as I could.

409
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:22,480
That's... like a miracle.

410
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:27,160
Yeah, that's what I thought too.

411
00:19:35,290 --> 00:19:37,670
Did they offer you
all the plea deal too?

412
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,220
My lawyer told
me the worst thing

413
00:19:45,420 --> 00:19:46,470
that could happen
is someone else

414
00:19:46,670 --> 00:19:48,180
taking the deal if I don't.

415
00:19:50,300 --> 00:19:54,600
Man, the government
wants their pound of flesh

416
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,190
and they're gonna get it

417
00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:57,860
if we don't stay strong
and stick together.

418
00:19:58,060 --> 00:19:59,780
Look around this room.

419
00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:02,610
Do you expect anyone
is actually going to think

420
00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:05,360
Clive shot federal
agents in cold blood?

421
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,120
Or Ruth?

422
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,540
It doesn't matter
what they think.

423
00:20:10,740 --> 00:20:13,040
If they think any of us
did it, then we all did it.

424
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,620
I wasn't even there.

425
00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:18,380
Do you think any
of this is about truth?

426
00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,630
Or fairness? Or
justice? Because it's not.

427
00:20:20,830 --> 00:20:22,550
It is about anger.

428
00:20:22,750 --> 00:20:26,470
They are gonna roll over
us no matter what we do.

429
00:20:26,670 --> 00:20:27,680
So we may as
well get through this

430
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,260
with our dignity intact.

431
00:20:32,090 --> 00:20:34,640
The government can make
up whatever story they want

432
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,100
about what happened
inside Mount Carmel,

433
00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:39,440
but no one knows what you did

434
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,820
or didn't do behind
closed doors,

435
00:20:42,020 --> 00:20:44,950
nobody but the
people in this room.

436
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:47,110
So if we stay united

437
00:20:47,310 --> 00:20:49,700
and refute their story, then...

438
00:20:52,410 --> 00:20:53,990
maybe we have a chance.

439
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,430
{\an8}  Oh, shit.

440
00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:26,030
{\an8}Hey, Dusty, mind if I pick
your brain about something?

441
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:28,610
{\an8}I was looking
at Wild Bill's file.

442
00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:30,530
[Dusty]   Why? We
already put him in jail.

443
00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:34,200
Well, Wild Bill and his friends
successfully robbed 21 banks.

444
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:35,580
But in their files,

445
00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:36,710
it doesn't seem as
though they made

446
00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:39,370
any conspicuous purchases.

447
00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:41,880
That, combined with his
comment about "payback,"

448
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,550
it was bugging me

449
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:45,010
and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing anything.

450
00:21:45,210 --> 00:21:48,840
So I took a closer
look and I found this.

451
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,380
[Dusty] What am I looking at?

452
00:21:51,340 --> 00:21:52,930
[Gary] You see that flag?

453
00:21:53,130 --> 00:21:56,390
That's the same flag they
flew over at Mount Carmel.

454
00:21:56,590 --> 00:21:58,770
David Koresh
designed it himself.

455
00:21:58,970 --> 00:22:00,350
Huh.

456
00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:04,270
Did Wild Bill have some
connection to Waco?

457
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:06,070
I doubt it.

458
00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:09,070
The flag is probably used
more as a recruitment tool

459
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:11,820
to fire people up.

460
00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:14,410
[clicks tongue] Any sense
where that photo was taken?

461
00:22:14,610 --> 00:22:15,990
It doesn't say in the file.

462
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:19,330
It looks like Elohim City to me.

463
00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:21,000
It's a town of sorts.

464
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,540
Started in the early '70s by a
group of former Mennonites,

465
00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,760
which gave birth to the
Christian Identity movement,

466
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,220
which is, basically--

467
00:22:28,420 --> 00:22:29,340
Christianity for
White Supremacists.

468
00:22:29,540 --> 00:22:31,180
Uh-hmm.

469
00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:33,180
We'd need a serious warrant
and a small army to go in there.

470
00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:35,600
Something which, after Waco,
I don't think any of our bosses

471
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,510
would be willing to
take a chance on.

472
00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:44,640
[man] Clive Doyle,
you have a visitor.

473
00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:48,110
Let's go.

474
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:54,280
Some of the other families

475
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,780
mentioned something
about a plea deal?

476
00:23:00,410 --> 00:23:03,170
It's true. They've offered one.

477
00:23:03,370 --> 00:23:06,500
I'm not sure I'm gonna
take the deal, Karen.

478
00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:08,420
Why not?

479
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,930
Because they want us
to say it was our fault.

480
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:15,100
And it wasn't.

481
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,130
Just get out, Dad.

482
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,730
Shari's gone, everything's gone.

483
00:23:22,930 --> 00:23:25,150
How much more do you
feel like you have to suffer?

484
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:27,730
I loved David
too, but it's over!

485
00:23:27,930 --> 00:23:28,820
I need my father back.

486
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:30,610
I know, but...

487
00:23:30,810 --> 00:23:33,070
You've already lost, Dad.

488
00:23:34,690 --> 00:23:36,650
There's no more
point in fighting it.

489
00:23:39,450 --> 00:23:40,740
Anne...

490
00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:44,500
she needs her grandfather.

491
00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:48,080
What?

492
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:52,590
  -[both chuckle]
  -Really?

493
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,470
There's your rose.

494
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:03,520
Is it?

495
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,940
dramatic music plays

496
00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:30,670
[Jacob] It's 15
years of loyalty,

497
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:33,720
15 years of putting my life
on the line and then for what?

498
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,130
For what?

499
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:36,380
Hey, hey, get your
hands off me, man.

500
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:37,800
Get off me.

501
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:47,140
  -Weren't you--
  -Yeah.

502
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:49,860
Yeah, yeah, we've met.

503
00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:51,350
Right.

504
00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:57,690
Do you wanna get a drink?

505
00:24:58,990 --> 00:25:00,160
On the fire ants?

506
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,830
On the goddamn fire ants.

507
00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:05,210
[laughs] Oh, Jesus.

508
00:25:05,410 --> 00:25:07,330
I mean, why anybody would
build their heaven on earth

509
00:25:07,530 --> 00:25:11,120
on top of a goddamn fire
ant hill is just beyond me.

510
00:25:14,540 --> 00:25:15,760
So, come on,
why'd--why did you--

511
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,340
why did you ask me here?

512
00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:19,720
Come on, I know it wasn't
to talk about fire ants.

513
00:25:22,260 --> 00:25:24,390
Because my wife thinks
I should talk to someone

514
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:25,680
and, uh...

515
00:25:27,220 --> 00:25:28,520
there aren't a lot of people

516
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,730
who know what it
was like to be there.

517
00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:33,440
You have regrets?

518
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,610
I just keep wondering
if I did this differently

519
00:25:36,810 --> 00:25:38,450
or if I said that differently,

520
00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:41,120
then maybe things could've
turned out different, you know.

521
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,360
Yeah, I do that too.

522
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,870
And then there are times
that I wonder if you were just...

523
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,380
just damned from the start.

524
00:25:51,580 --> 00:25:52,960
We weren't damned
from the start.

525
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,420
We damned ourselves
through our own stupidity.

526
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:57,920
Mmm.

527
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,090
What do you know
about Elohim City?

528
00:26:00,290 --> 00:26:03,050
I know they're a bunch
of racist assholes,

529
00:26:03,250 --> 00:26:05,350
but other than that, you
know, it's not my department,

530
00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:07,890
so I don't really
pay attention to it.

531
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:10,850
But this man from Elohim
City, he was so angry.

532
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:12,690
[Jacob] Uh-hmm.

533
00:26:12,890 --> 00:26:15,900
And I just keep
thinking about the...

534
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,610
people protesting at
the barricades at Waco

535
00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:21,740
and I just feel this...

536
00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:27,410
this undercurrent
of rage in America.

537
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:33,840
And I think we helped
create the monster

538
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,830
we're trying to stop.

539
00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:46,180
Look, I know someone
working the Elohim City case.

540
00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:48,640
And, uh, I might be
able to set you up.

541
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:57,440
This is blasphemy!

542
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,490
I won't stand for it.

543
00:27:00,690 --> 00:27:01,990
I speak the truth.

544
00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:03,620
God handles the consequences.

545
00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:07,240
George, the Holy
Spirit is feminine.

546
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,580
We live in a male
dominated society

547
00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:12,250
and it has resulted in a
male dominated translation

548
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:13,790
of the Bible.

549
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:17,250
There is the Father,
there is the Son,

550
00:27:17,450 --> 00:27:18,880
and the Holy Spirit is mother.

551
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,300
[laughs]

552
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:21,840
[Vernon] Lois is right.

553
00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:25,800
What did you just say?

554
00:27:27,260 --> 00:27:29,180
I said, "Lois is right."

555
00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:30,930
I never saw it before

556
00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:33,270
but she's mentioned all
over the Old Testament.

557
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:35,020
Proverbs 31:25,

558
00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:36,650
"She is clothed with
strength and dignity,

559
00:27:36,850 --> 00:27:38,940
and she laughs without
fear of the future."

560
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:40,400
Proverbs 31:10,

561
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,900
"She is far more
precious than jewels."

562
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:43,570
Psalms 46:5,

563
00:27:43,770 --> 00:27:46,070
"God is in the midst of her;
she shall not be moved."

564
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:48,160
  -Quiet!
  -Proverbs 31:26,

565
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,160
"She opens her
mouth with wisdom,

566
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,160
and the teaching of
kindness is on her tongue."

567
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,040
Matthew 11:19, Luke 3:22.

568
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,710
There are dozens of
examples in the Bible

569
00:27:57,910 --> 00:28:00,710
where the Holy Spirit
is referred to as "she".

570
00:28:00,910 --> 00:28:02,970
I mean, George, are you
saying the Bible is wrong?

571
00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:05,760
No.

572
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,560
Of course, I'm not
saying the Bible is wrong.

573
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,760
tense music plays

574
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,500
Probably won't get you laid,

575
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:34,490
but it'll make you
look more respectable.

576
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,460
Have you decided
on the plea deal?

577
00:28:41,660 --> 00:28:43,970
This is your last
chance to take it.

578
00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:47,050
[Clive] You should be
more careful with George.

579
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:51,760
He can be pretty mean.

580
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,270
I'm not worried about
old George Roden.

581
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:57,980
He's not the first
bully I dealt with.

582
00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:00,690
I'm sure he won't be the last.

583
00:29:00,890 --> 00:29:02,780
"So do not fear,
for I am with you.

584
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:05,110
Do not be dismayed,
for I am your God.

585
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:07,660
I will strengthen you
and I will help you.

586
00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:10,870
I will uphold you with
my righteous right hand."

587
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:13,240
Isaiah said that.

588
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,500
You can go hide all your life,

589
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:17,170
but then the whole world

590
00:29:17,370 --> 00:29:19,920
winds up getting run by the
George Rodens everywhere.

591
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,590
That's no way to
please the Lord.

592
00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:22,880
No.

593
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,760
You gotta show that faith.

594
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,760
You got to show
it by standing up,

595
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
by doing what's right,

596
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,260
regardless of what
all them bullies

597
00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:32,890
tell you what they
think you should do.

598
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560
[Clive] It's just that
George is sick in the head.

599
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,190
He's--he's violent.

600
00:29:38,390 --> 00:29:40,480
You don't understand
what he's capable of.

601
00:29:52,860 --> 00:29:55,280
He doesn't know what
I'm capable of either.

602
00:29:58,330 --> 00:30:00,330
I'm stronger than they realize.

603
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,170
And so are you, Clive Doyle.

604
00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:11,130
I don't give in to bullies.

605
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,680
It's our job to do what's right.

606
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,180
And it's God's job
to sort out the rest.

607
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,020
Okay, then let's
go give 'em hell.

608
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:28,190
[all chattering indistinctly]

609
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,090
[whispering] So,
I've just had breakfast

610
00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:53,890
with defendant Schroeder,

611
00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:56,060
and she's going to be
playing for the home team now,

612
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:58,850
so get some statements
over... [indistinct]

613
00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:01,770
But I just wanted to
let you know for now.

614
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:03,730
[normal voice] Good
morning, by the way.

615
00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:12,450
[clicks tongue]

616
00:31:12,650 --> 00:31:14,410
Kathy Schroeder just flipped.

617
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:15,700
She took the plea deal

618
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:18,120
and she's turning
state's witness.

619
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,120
Kathy's going to
testify against us?

620
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,290
Yeah.

621
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:24,450
dramatic music plays

622
00:31:30,670 --> 00:31:32,880
[Bill] Now this is
a simple story...

623
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,590
with two clear sides.

624
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,850
The government agents

625
00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:42,010
who went in to serve a
legal search warrant...

626
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:47,270
and the Branch Davidians,
led by David Koresh,

627
00:31:47,470 --> 00:31:51,650
who adhered to a
philosophy of death.

628
00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:54,160
A philosophy that led Koresh

629
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,030
to train his people for battle

630
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:58,700
and arm them for war,

631
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:02,290
so that when those agents
approached Mount Carmel

632
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:05,630
to do their legal duty,

633
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:09,670
the defendants laid in wait
with guns in their hands.

634
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:12,260
And when the agents
got close enough,

635
00:32:12,460 --> 00:32:15,010
the Branch
Davidians opened fire,

636
00:32:15,210 --> 00:32:18,350
murdering four federal officers

637
00:32:18,550 --> 00:32:20,350
in cold blood.

638
00:32:20,550 --> 00:32:22,760
These men and
women aren't killers.

639
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:25,680
They're victims.

640
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:32,440
First, they were
victimized by David Koresh,

641
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,780
a charismatic con man
who brainwashed them

642
00:32:38,490 --> 00:32:41,700
into believing he was
a messiah on earth.

643
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:43,370
[scoffs]

644
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:52,380
And then they were
victimized by the ATF,

645
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:55,840
who led an unnecessary

646
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,090
ill-advised assault
on their home

647
00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:01,350
that left 76 of their
friends and family,

648
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:04,350
and even their children, dead.

649
00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:06,230
[Ruth]   You're making
us look like sheep,

650
00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:08,100
like we just blindly
followed David

651
00:33:08,300 --> 00:33:09,770
with no minds of our own.

652
00:33:09,970 --> 00:33:11,650
This isn't the strategy
we talked about before.

653
00:33:11,850 --> 00:33:13,230
We weren't brainwashed.

654
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:15,530
We were defending
something real.

655
00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:16,860
We all believed in

656
00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:17,990
because we saw it
with our own eyes.

657
00:33:18,190 --> 00:33:21,240
My husband was shot dead

658
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:22,740
and ripped to pieces

659
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:25,580
by a government tank
because of those beliefs.

660
00:33:25,780 --> 00:33:27,750
It's not just the four
of us on trial here.

661
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:31,920
When you say that what
we believe in is stupid,

662
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,010
you're saying that the
people that we loved

663
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:37,170
who burned in that
building died for nothing.

664
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:39,390
I don't give a rat's
ass about your religion.

665
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,010
And frankly, I don't even
care if you look sane.

666
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,600
All I care about is
keeping you out of jail.

667
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,180
That's my only focus here.

668
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:51,940
And our defense
tactics have to change,

669
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:54,310
because Kathy
Schroeder flipped on you.

670
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:58,070
Before, you were
all a united front,

671
00:33:58,270 --> 00:34:00,990
whatever the prosecutor said
happened at Mount Carmel,

672
00:34:01,190 --> 00:34:02,990
was speculation.

673
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:06,290
Now, one of your own is
going to corroborate their claims.

674
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:08,870
Kathy is gonna tell the jury
that she passed out guns

675
00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:11,040
to each and every one
of you during the siege.

676
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:13,170
[scoffs] I wasn't even there.

677
00:34:13,370 --> 00:34:15,500
Well, then she's gonna
say you bought the guns,

678
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:17,470
make you into an arms
dealer with a death wish.

679
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:21,800
She's gonna turn the rest of
you into an army out for blood.

680
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,100
So if-if we can't say
you never held a gun,

681
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:28,060
we have to make the jury believe

682
00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:30,730
that you had no choice
but to pick one up.

683
00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:33,980
You had no choice but
to protect yourselves,

684
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:37,230
because David
Koresh conditioned you

685
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,150
to do whatever he said,

686
00:34:39,350 --> 00:34:41,910
and the government charged
in trying to kill your children.

687
00:34:42,110 --> 00:34:44,490
But we didn't just do
whatever he told us to do.

688
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:46,240
  -We-we made choices.
  -[Dan] Yeah, look,

689
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,580
you can be as pissed
as you want at me in here,

690
00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:50,290
but when we're
in that courtroom,

691
00:34:50,490 --> 00:34:54,460
you need to sit there,
and you need to look sorry.

692
00:34:54,660 --> 00:34:56,550
You need to stop
shaking your head

693
00:34:56,750 --> 00:34:59,420
and-and stop glowering
at the prosecutors.

694
00:34:59,620 --> 00:35:03,140
And you, you need
to wear a dress.

695
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:05,600
Yeah, something that
makes you look softer

696
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,220
and more vulnerable.

697
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:08,640
I don't wear dresses.

698
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,310
[Dan] Well, then
we'll get you one.

699
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:12,190
But you need to
start doing your part.

700
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:15,060
You need to start
acting like the victim.

701
00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:19,770
[Lois]   You need to be
honest about who you are.

702
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:22,820
Proverbs speaks to this,

703
00:35:23,020 --> 00:35:24,740
calling for insight,

704
00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:28,410
not being afraid
to ask for help,

705
00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:30,950
so that we can better
understand ourselves.

706
00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:36,670
Vernon, what are
you struggling with?

707
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:38,210
How can we help you?

708
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,050
I struggle with my own desires,

709
00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:47,550
which I feel so
strong sometimes.

710
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,390
What kind of desires?

711
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:53,640
Pleasure of the flesh.

712
00:35:55,770 --> 00:35:57,820
Sometimes it's so strong,

713
00:35:58,020 --> 00:36:00,440
I have to relieve that
pressure several times a day.

714
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:01,490
[Ruth] Oh!

715
00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:04,320
It's okay. It's okay.

716
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,530
You should feel
comfortable to share.

717
00:36:06,730 --> 00:36:08,240
You shouldn't feel embarrassed.

718
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,320
I never said I was embarrassed.

719
00:36:13,620 --> 00:36:15,790
Everyone has
their own struggles.

720
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:19,210
No temptation has overtaken you

721
00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:21,960
that is not common to man.

722
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,840
God is faithful.

723
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,340
He will not let you be tempted
beyond your ability, but--

724
00:36:26,540 --> 00:36:27,800
But with that temptation,

725
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,840
He will also provide
the way of escape.

726
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,230
Corinthians 10:13.

727
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:35,900
But when that temptation
comes over me,

728
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:39,400
I wonder if she's ever known
loving hands on her body,

729
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,110
if she's ever felt true pleasure

730
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,110
and I'm overcome...

731
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:50,070
with desire until I feel
like I might go mad.

732
00:36:54,030 --> 00:36:55,750
[Clive]   You were, uh--

733
00:36:55,950 --> 00:36:57,710
you were pretty
honest at Bible study.

734
00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:00,000
I promised myself
that when I came here,

735
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,040
I wouldn't hold back
any bit of myself...

736
00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:05,050
even those little ugly parts

737
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:07,380
that I'd rather sometimes
just sweep under the rug.

738
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:12,760
I--I felt the same way
when I came here.

739
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:16,220
Like I wanted to
give all of myself.

740
00:37:18,810 --> 00:37:20,390
Kindred spirits, I guess.

741
00:37:21,350 --> 00:37:22,400
[chuckles]

742
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:26,190
   -[Lois] Looks good over here.
  -Oh, do you need me?

743
00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:29,410
Not just yet.

744
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:32,570
Actually, uh, I just came
over to talk to Vernon.

745
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:36,460
Uh, Vernon,

746
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:40,170
I'm getting ready to go
on my yearly trip to Israel.

747
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:42,840
And I think you
should join me...

748
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,000
to study.

749
00:37:46,290 --> 00:37:49,420
dramatic music plays

750
00:37:53,050 --> 00:37:54,430
Nothing would give
me more pleasure

751
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:56,850
than learning right
from your hands.

752
00:37:57,970 --> 00:37:59,020
Good.

753
00:38:00,430 --> 00:38:01,940
That's settled then.

754
00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:04,020
dramatic music plays

755
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:28,010
[door creaks closed]

756
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:30,890
[Gary] Hi. Uh, excuse
me. Are you Angie?

757
00:38:31,090 --> 00:38:32,180
Jacob sent me.

758
00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:33,510
  -Oh, yes.
  -[Gary] Yeah.

759
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:34,600
  -Gary?
  -Right.

760
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,680
  -Okay. Hi.
  -Yeah.

761
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:38,770
So you drew the
short straw, huh?

762
00:38:38,970 --> 00:38:41,020
Yeah. Our informant's
name is Carol Howe.

763
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:44,020
And, um, we didn't know
how seriously to take her

764
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:47,570
because she's not the most
reliable-seeming informant.

765
00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:49,650
Uh-hmm.

766
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:51,410
How'd she wind up
here in the hospital?

767
00:38:51,610 --> 00:38:53,870
Did they find out she was
informing and hurt her?

768
00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:55,530
Actually, kind of the opposite.

769
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:56,990
No, Wild Bill actually
beat her up pretty bad

770
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:58,450
  -before the robbery...
  -Uh-hmm.

771
00:38:58,650 --> 00:39:00,410
...and she got pissed,
so she tipped us off

772
00:39:00,610 --> 00:39:02,920
     -as a way to get revenge.
  -Mmm.

773
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,210
She's not a big
fan of authority,

774
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:08,710
to say the least, and,
uh, she's a bit erratic.

775
00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:10,220
How so?

776
00:39:10,420 --> 00:39:13,340
   -[Carol] God damn it! Come on!
  -[banging]

777
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,140
TV signal's shit in here, Angie.

778
00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:22,140
Hey there, Carol. I'm Gary.

779
00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:25,480
How's Wild Bill?

780
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,230
Did he ask about me?

781
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:28,940
[Angie] He lawyered
up pretty quickly,

782
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:31,530
so I honestly don't know
what he's asking about.

783
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:33,530
  -Is he doing okay?
  -[Angie] Yeah,

784
00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:36,530
for someone who's gonna
spend ten to twenty years in prison.

785
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:38,910
I didn't mean to get
him locked up that long.

786
00:39:39,110 --> 00:39:41,330
But that asshole shouldn't have
laid his hands on me like that.

787
00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:43,200
You don't mess
with a lady's face!

788
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,210
That's right.

789
00:39:45,410 --> 00:39:46,210
[Angie] That's right.

790
00:39:46,410 --> 00:39:47,370
Uh-hmm.

791
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,380
So Wild Bill had
made some allusions

792
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:54,220
to some kind of payback
against the government.

793
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:57,140
Did he ever speak to you
about anything like that?

794
00:39:57,340 --> 00:39:59,470
[scoffs] Gary?

795
00:39:59,670 --> 00:40:01,560
I ain't some kind of narc.

796
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,310
I'm just a person who's
sick of her boyfriend's shit.

797
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:05,770
Yeah, fair enough.

798
00:40:05,970 --> 00:40:07,940
But, uh, I'd say
there's a difference

799
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:10,110
between being a narc
and saving the lives

800
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:12,110
of innocent people.

801
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:16,570
Ain't nobody innocent.

802
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:19,570
Really?

803
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:25,670
Well, what about Elohim City?
Did you hear anyone there...

804
00:40:25,870 --> 00:40:29,250
speak about some sort
of planned payback?

805
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:35,800
I don't know about Elohim City.

806
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,010
tense music plays

807
00:40:46,850 --> 00:40:48,360
Come on, Carol,
this is important.

808
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,440
I'm trying to keep
people from getting hurt.

809
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:54,730
tense music plays

810
00:40:57,820 --> 00:40:58,820
Dammit.

811
00:41:00,490 --> 00:41:01,870
I don't--the people
you're asking

812
00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:03,410
about at Elohim City,

813
00:41:03,610 --> 00:41:05,450
they didn't really talk
to me much, okay?

814
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,380
And I never heard anything
specific about anything,

815
00:41:09,580 --> 00:41:11,460
but I will tell you...

816
00:41:13,290 --> 00:41:14,800
they talk a lot about
how the government

817
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,340
has turned on them.

818
00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:19,470
dramatic music plays

819
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:22,890
[Carol]   They talk about
a holy war that's coming.

820
00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:25,730
And they're gonna
be on the frontlines.

821
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:28,400
But that's nothing on its own.

822
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,190
You know, I know plenty
of people who talk like that.

823
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:37,570
But the thing
about Elohim City is,

824
00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:40,530
it's full of people who
tend to mean what they say.

825
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:43,700
[Gary]   What does
that mean exactly?

826
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:48,540
It means if payback is coming,

827
00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:50,620
then I would guess it's
gonna come from there.

828
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:57,630
Yeah.

829
00:41:59,210 --> 00:42:02,300
suspenseful music plays

830
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,730
rock music plays

831
00:42:22,650 --> 00:42:27,540
[singer] Nowhere
to run to, uh, uh

832
00:42:27,740 --> 00:42:32,710
Nowhere to hide