1 00:00:00,233 --> 00:00:03,934 Your mother told the police that you stole the car. 2 00:00:04,667 --> 00:00:07,433 The car was registered in my name. I had all the paperwork. 3 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:10,700 Eleven police officers pulling guns on you. 4 00:00:10,767 --> 00:00:12,800 -Yes. -And you're in handcuffs. 5 00:00:12,867 --> 00:00:16,065 When people get the police called on them for no good reason, 6 00:00:16,133 --> 00:00:17,500 that is wrong. 7 00:00:17,567 --> 00:00:20,166 [narrator] Today on Tribunal Justice... 8 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:44,400 This case was filed in Los Angeles, California. 9 00:00:44,467 --> 00:00:46,567 [Byrd] Your Honor, this is case #1113 on the calendar 10 00:00:46,633 --> 00:00:49,100 on the matter of Williams vs. Millage. 11 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:52,200 Parties have been sworn in. You may be seated. Have a seat, please. 12 00:00:52,266 --> 00:00:57,233 Thank you, Byrd. Ms. Williams, You're suing the Defendant for $10,000 13 00:00:57,300 --> 00:01:01,367 because you claim she made a false police report against you. 14 00:01:01,433 --> 00:01:05,333 That false report pertained to a vehicle you were driving. 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,033 She'd reported the vehicle stolen. As a result of her report, 16 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:12,400 you were put in handcuffs, the police took you out of the car, 17 00:01:12,467 --> 00:01:13,967 -pulled guns on you. -Yeah. 18 00:01:14,033 --> 00:01:16,667 [Tanya] And as it turns out, the Defendant is your mother. 19 00:01:16,734 --> 00:01:18,265 -Correct. -And the car you were driving 20 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:21,467 belonged to your late grandmother. And it's your position in this court 21 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:24,900 that your late grandmother intended for you to have the car. 22 00:01:24,967 --> 00:01:26,500 Your mother knew this, 23 00:01:26,567 --> 00:01:28,734 and that your mother filed this police report 24 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,300 against you maliciously, 25 00:01:30,367 --> 00:01:33,333 causing you a great deal of emotional distress. 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Hence your $10,000 claim against her. Ms. Millage, you maintain 27 00:01:38,066 --> 00:01:41,734 that your daughter did, in fact, steal your late mother's car. 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:47,400 And that, once you got it back, you say that she falsely had you arrested. 29 00:01:47,467 --> 00:01:50,200 And you maintain that you do not owe her any money, 30 00:01:50,265 --> 00:01:52,734 -you have the car, the car belongs to you. -Correct. 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,900 I'm sorry for the loss of your mother and your grandmother. 32 00:01:55,967 --> 00:01:59,834 I understand that she died in February, 2022? 33 00:01:59,900 --> 00:02:00,834 -Yes. -Yes. 34 00:02:00,900 --> 00:02:02,867 -[Tanya] She died without a will, correct? -Yes. 35 00:02:02,934 --> 00:02:05,500 When did you first know that the car was missing? 36 00:02:05,567 --> 00:02:09,433 When I went over there, bring the trash cans in the yard. 37 00:02:09,500 --> 00:02:10,633 [Tanya] Which was when? 38 00:02:10,699 --> 00:02:12,800 -June. -[Tanya] Your mother dies in February. 39 00:02:12,867 --> 00:02:16,000 So, in or around June is when you first noticed the car was missing? 40 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:18,700 -Correct. -Who has access to the house? 41 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:21,767 Somebody had to be in the house between February and June. 42 00:02:21,834 --> 00:02:22,700 Oh, I have the key. 43 00:02:22,767 --> 00:02:26,266 [Tanya] But you weren't there, clearly, because if mom died in February, 44 00:02:26,333 --> 00:02:28,700 and you didn't know that the car was missing until June, 45 00:02:28,767 --> 00:02:32,133 there's a big gap of time where either you weren't going to the house... 46 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,100 Please don't talk over me. This case is a mother and a daughter 47 00:02:36,166 --> 00:02:37,466 at odds with each other, 48 00:02:37,533 --> 00:02:39,934 claiming all sorts of false police reports. 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,100 -Are we clear? -Yes. 50 00:02:41,166 --> 00:02:44,433 Thank you. So, between February, when your mother died, 51 00:02:44,500 --> 00:02:48,567 and July, which is when you were arrested in the car, 52 00:02:48,633 --> 00:02:50,767 -Yeah. -You weren't using the car, correct? 53 00:02:50,834 --> 00:02:53,033 -No. -And you weren't making regular visits 54 00:02:53,100 --> 00:02:54,133 -to the house. -No. 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,300 What was going on with the car between February and July? 56 00:02:57,367 --> 00:02:59,667 Um, it was just sitting there in the yard. 57 00:02:59,734 --> 00:03:04,200 So, I was having conversations with my auntie about me getting the car. 58 00:03:04,266 --> 00:03:07,400 In the absence of a will, you sort of have to look at how the law works. 59 00:03:07,467 --> 00:03:11,367 And property goes to the nearest relative, which would not be you. 60 00:03:11,433 --> 00:03:16,100 However, this case is not about whether or not she owns the car. 61 00:03:16,166 --> 00:03:19,900 This case is about whether or not you had her falsely arrested. 62 00:03:19,966 --> 00:03:23,166 So, I wouldn't get too sanguine in the fact that it's your car. 63 00:03:23,233 --> 00:03:28,133 So, you go to your aunt and you say, I want to have this, can I drive the car? 64 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,633 I cannot take what your aunt said for its truth. 65 00:03:31,700 --> 00:03:33,066 -Right. -[Tanya] She's not here. 66 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:36,966 So, if you want to testify that your aunt said to you, you can have the car, 67 00:03:37,033 --> 00:03:38,433 that doesn't mean you can have the car. 68 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:43,200 But what I can take that for is your understanding, or your belief 69 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:46,567 of what you thought your rights were. You go to a lot of trouble 70 00:03:46,633 --> 00:03:50,266 in your complaint to say that you and your mother are not close. 71 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:55,133 She didn't really raise you and that you were instead raised by your grandmother. 72 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,867 And again, not for the truth of it, but why is it you believe your grandmother 73 00:03:59,934 --> 00:04:02,467 wanted you to have this car? There's no will. 74 00:04:02,533 --> 00:04:06,266 So far, you said that you go to an aunt and your aunt says, okay. 75 00:04:06,333 --> 00:04:10,133 But was there anything else? Like any writings? Anything at all? 76 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,166 No, there's nothing in writing. It was just like brief conversations 77 00:04:13,233 --> 00:04:14,934 that I would have with my granny. 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,899 You're driving the car in July. Tell me what happens. 79 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:21,966 I was out there getting my nails done 'cause it was time for my birthday. 80 00:04:22,033 --> 00:04:25,266 So, after I left the nail shop, I end up going to my friend house. 81 00:04:25,332 --> 00:04:27,900 So, she was like, well, can you take me to go get a cup? 82 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:30,900 So, I was sitting in front of the store waiting for her to get the cup. 83 00:04:30,967 --> 00:04:35,133 I was looking down, 'cause I had found a bracelet inside the nail shop. 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,867 I didn't hear them behind me. I heard the sirens. 85 00:04:38,933 --> 00:04:41,400 But when they got on the speaker thing, they was like, 86 00:04:41,467 --> 00:04:43,533 get out the car! Get out the car! 87 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,500 And I was confused 'cause I didn't know if they was talking to me or not. 88 00:04:46,567 --> 00:04:49,933 They was like, raise the window down! Get out the car! 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,367 [Tanya] You got out of the car. Did they put you in handcuffs? 90 00:04:52,433 --> 00:04:55,000 Yeah, they told me to walk backwards and put my hands behind my back. 91 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:56,266 Did they pull guns on you? 92 00:04:56,332 --> 00:05:00,333 Yes, they had... it was eleven of them out there and they had rifles... 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,166 Eleven police officers pulling rifles and guns on you. 94 00:05:05,233 --> 00:05:07,467 -Yes. -[Tanya] And you're in handcuffs. 95 00:05:07,533 --> 00:05:11,300 How do you convince them that you are not, in fact, a thief? 96 00:05:11,367 --> 00:05:15,000 Well, I asked them who reported the car stolen? 97 00:05:15,066 --> 00:05:18,166 And they said, a Christine Millage. I said, well, that can't be true, 98 00:05:18,233 --> 00:05:19,533 'cause my granny has passed away. 99 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,133 So, let me stop you right there. They said that Christine Millage 100 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,600 who was the owner of the vehicle and your late grandmother, 101 00:05:26,667 --> 00:05:29,734 had reported the car stolen. And this is five months 102 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,967 -after Christine Millage has died. -Yes. 103 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:35,367 So, you show the police her death certificate? 104 00:05:35,433 --> 00:05:38,332 Not me. My friend had to show the obituary 105 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,900 and go through the paper... 'Cause I was in the back of the car. 106 00:05:40,967 --> 00:05:44,300 The only thing they was asking me was, well, who number is this? 107 00:05:44,367 --> 00:05:45,834 I said, well, that's Debbie Millage. 108 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:48,834 I said the only thing you have to do is call her and say Debbie Millage. 109 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:52,700 So, Ms. Millage, when you called to report the car stolen, 110 00:05:52,767 --> 00:05:55,500 let's talk about what you told the police. You called the police. 111 00:05:55,567 --> 00:05:56,834 [Debbie] No, I went up there, your Honor. 112 00:05:56,900 --> 00:05:59,667 After the gate... The lock was broke off of the gate. 113 00:05:59,734 --> 00:06:01,834 -When was that? -I have evidence... 114 00:06:01,900 --> 00:06:03,433 When did you notice the lock broken? 115 00:06:03,500 --> 00:06:04,367 In June. 116 00:06:04,433 --> 00:06:06,800 [Tanya] Why did you give the police your late mother's name? 117 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:10,367 Why didn't you say, I am Debbie Millage. 118 00:06:10,433 --> 00:06:11,800 That's what I did in the report. 119 00:06:11,867 --> 00:06:15,800 Ms. Williams, in the report, was there evidence that your mother 120 00:06:15,867 --> 00:06:19,367 actually identified herself as your grandmother in making the report? 121 00:06:19,433 --> 00:06:20,967 Um, that's what they told me. 122 00:06:21,033 --> 00:06:23,967 I didn't see that your mother actually said 123 00:06:24,033 --> 00:06:26,000 that she was your grandmother... 124 00:06:26,066 --> 00:06:28,800 'Cause they had the names mixed up in the report. 125 00:06:28,867 --> 00:06:32,400 Like, they didn't actually take the report 'cause I wasn't arrested. 126 00:06:32,467 --> 00:06:35,300 How do you know that she used your late grandmother's name? 127 00:06:35,367 --> 00:06:37,300 'Cause they kept saying it's a Christine Millage, 128 00:06:37,367 --> 00:06:39,166 - it's not a Debbie Millage. -And at the time, in July, 129 00:06:39,233 --> 00:06:41,166 the car wasn't in your name, correct? 130 00:06:41,233 --> 00:06:42,767 -Yes, it was. -[Tanya] No, it was not. 131 00:06:42,834 --> 00:06:44,332 When did you register the car? 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,400 -Um... -Let me help you. Your exhibit one... 133 00:06:47,467 --> 00:06:51,567 You registered the car in October of 2022. 134 00:06:51,633 --> 00:06:54,533 There was a hold on it at the time. 'Mesha filed a false report 135 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,834 and registered the car in her name. 136 00:06:55,900 --> 00:06:58,200 -[Tanya] We're not there yet. -[Debbie] Okay, I'm sorry. 137 00:06:58,266 --> 00:07:02,367 And I ask you, in July, the car was not in your name 138 00:07:02,433 --> 00:07:04,500 -[Debbie] Right. Okay. -when you reported it stolen. 139 00:07:04,633 --> 00:07:07,133 So, you couldn't have given them your name. 140 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,533 You had to give them your mother's name in July, 141 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,000 because the only registered owner of the vehicle in July 142 00:07:14,066 --> 00:07:15,266 was your dead mother. 143 00:07:15,333 --> 00:07:19,266 And part of why your daughter is suing you, is her position is, 144 00:07:19,332 --> 00:07:22,700 you knew the car wasn't stolen. You knew she had the car. 145 00:07:22,767 --> 00:07:26,000 And my question for you is, if you were so concerned 146 00:07:26,066 --> 00:07:29,567 about the whereabouts of the car, where were you between February, 147 00:07:29,633 --> 00:07:31,033 when your mother passed away, 148 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:34,133 and July, when your daughter was driving the car? 149 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,734 So, I'm going to move on 150 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,667 How did you get the car back in your possession? 151 00:07:37,734 --> 00:07:39,633 -How did I get the car in my possession? -How did you 152 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:41,967 ultimately get the car in your possession? 153 00:07:42,033 --> 00:07:45,200 How did your mother end up with the car back in her possession? 154 00:07:45,266 --> 00:07:49,834 She went to the DMV and just had them put like, her name on the registration 155 00:07:49,900 --> 00:07:53,967 because they said, the DMV said that my granny had a lien sale holder on it. 156 00:07:54,033 --> 00:07:56,600 So, there was no way for me to even put the car in my name. 157 00:07:56,667 --> 00:08:00,767 -So, she went and had it falsely done. -[Tanya] So, she puts the car in her name. 158 00:08:00,834 --> 00:08:02,400 And I read your answer, Ms. Millage. 159 00:08:02,467 --> 00:08:06,367 She goes to a probate attorney and I'm gonna assume right now, 160 00:08:06,433 --> 00:08:09,767 just as a matter of law because she's the closest relative, 161 00:08:09,834 --> 00:08:14,033 at least as between her and you. The car may very well be her property. 162 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:17,433 But that's not what your case is about. You're not trying to get the car, 163 00:08:17,500 --> 00:08:19,867 you're saying that when mom had you arrested, 164 00:08:19,934 --> 00:08:21,567 she did that for no good reason. 165 00:08:21,633 --> 00:08:24,467 Now, let's flip to August. 166 00:08:24,533 --> 00:08:29,166 She files a complaint with the DMV about your trying to register the car. 167 00:08:29,233 --> 00:08:33,767 You file a complaint with the DMV against her shortly thereafter. 168 00:08:33,834 --> 00:08:38,000 You, Ms. Millage are driving the car and you get arrested or detained. 169 00:08:38,066 --> 00:08:39,967 What happens to you when you're detained? 170 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:41,000 [sobs] 171 00:08:41,734 --> 00:08:43,433 -[Tanya] Was your witness with you? -[witness] Yes. 172 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:46,033 I believe I saw your statement. Do you want to take the stand? 173 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:47,567 -[witness] Yes. -[Byrd] You don't want one? 174 00:08:47,633 --> 00:08:50,667 -I'll take it for her, thank you. -[sniffles] 175 00:08:53,165 --> 00:08:54,700 Can you please state your name for the record? 176 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:55,633 Namisha Logan. 177 00:08:55,700 --> 00:09:01,000 On or around July 27th, were you riding with the Defendant 178 00:09:01,066 --> 00:09:02,400 in the vehicle in question? 179 00:09:02,467 --> 00:09:03,700 Yeah, we were on our way 180 00:09:03,767 --> 00:09:06,233 to her attorney's office to turn in some papers. 181 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:10,900 And by the time we got in the parking lot, they drew guns out on us. It was about... 182 00:09:10,967 --> 00:09:12,266 [Tanya] Forced you to get out of the car. 183 00:09:12,333 --> 00:09:15,533 ...They about 16 of 'em with lasers on us. 184 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,033 They told us to get down on our knees... 185 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:18,967 -Did they handcuff you? -Yeah, both of us. 186 00:09:19,033 --> 00:09:21,800 They had us both in the car. They wanted to look over her paperwork. 187 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:24,800 And then, how did the situation deescalate? 188 00:09:24,867 --> 00:09:27,867 -'Cause nobody was arrested and charged. -Yeah, once they got her information 189 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:30,333 and what she told them added up, they let us go. 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,200 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice... 191 00:09:33,266 --> 00:09:36,133 Between the date of your mother's death in February and June 192 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,667 -you never really went to the house. -Yes, I did, your honor. 193 00:09:38,734 --> 00:09:40,367 -I kept going there just to... -[Tanya] That is not... 194 00:09:40,433 --> 00:09:42,767 -[Patricia] Did I misunderstand? -No, you did not misunderstand. 195 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:44,834 -She just changed her testimony. -Thank you. 196 00:09:50,867 --> 00:09:54,567 [narrator] Timesha Williams claims her mother, Debbie Millage, 197 00:09:54,633 --> 00:09:58,300 reported her car stolen and had her falsely arrested. 198 00:09:58,367 --> 00:10:00,767 Debbie says she owns the car 199 00:10:00,834 --> 00:10:03,867 and her daughter stole it from her late grandmother. 200 00:10:03,934 --> 00:10:07,967 Why did you make this complaint that resulted in your mother getting arrested? 201 00:10:08,033 --> 00:10:11,767 Because you did the same thing she did and maintained that the car was stolen. 202 00:10:11,834 --> 00:10:16,100 No, I was just inquiring how was she able just to put the car in her name 203 00:10:16,166 --> 00:10:18,967 without having the lien sale holder title, like I did. 204 00:10:19,033 --> 00:10:21,200 So, you maintained it was stolen, 205 00:10:21,266 --> 00:10:23,867 or that she was doing something improper by driving it, 206 00:10:23,934 --> 00:10:26,633 when you knew that you guys had a civil dispute. 207 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:28,333 You, I believe, 208 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,433 knew that your daughter was driving it when you had her arrested. 209 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:34,367 -No, I didn't. -So, I'm gonna pass the case. 210 00:10:34,433 --> 00:10:36,934 But right now, what it seems to me 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,033 is that two people in the middle of a horrible family dispute 212 00:10:40,100 --> 00:10:41,967 used the legal system 213 00:10:42,033 --> 00:10:45,700 and law enforcement penalties to try to get an advantage on the other. 214 00:10:45,767 --> 00:10:49,033 That's how this is shaking out to me right now. Judge DiMango? 215 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:52,567 That's a pretty accurate shake. Because they're each calling the police. 216 00:10:52,633 --> 00:10:56,165 They each know the situation. They each know that there's no will. 217 00:10:56,233 --> 00:11:01,166 They each know that there's a dispute. And rather than do it like two adults, 218 00:11:01,233 --> 00:11:03,767 they did this like two people who 219 00:11:03,834 --> 00:11:06,900 have no interest in the loss of the grandmother or the mother, 220 00:11:06,967 --> 00:11:10,300 which I find extremely troubling. So now, let me talk to you. 221 00:11:10,367 --> 00:11:13,100 You made this police report and you lied in the police report. 222 00:11:13,166 --> 00:11:14,433 -Correct? -I didn't technically lie, 223 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:16,667 -'cause the car... -[Patricia] What's a technical lie? 224 00:11:16,734 --> 00:11:19,633 'Cause the car was registered in my name. I had all of the paperwork, 225 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:21,834 me and my auntie, to have the car registered. 226 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:23,333 [Patricia] No, no, no. No, no, no, no. 227 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,600 Timesha, that's you, stated her grandma Christine 228 00:11:26,667 --> 00:11:30,367 gave her possession of the vehicle sometime in April. 229 00:11:30,433 --> 00:11:31,800 You didn't have possession of the vehicle. 230 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:34,734 -That's not what I say, your honor. -Oh, so, the police are lying now, too? 231 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,934 No, they not lying, they just did not take the time 232 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,934 -to write the statement out correctly. -[Patricia] It's only three sentences. 233 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,165 Second sentence... 234 00:11:41,233 --> 00:11:44,433 Timesha advised that Christine, your grandmother, 235 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:49,400 recently passed away and was unable to transfer title to her name. 236 00:11:49,467 --> 00:11:51,333 So, what you're telling the cop is, 237 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,567 she gave you the car but because she passed away 238 00:11:53,633 --> 00:11:55,233 before she could transfer it, 239 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:58,100 -she didn't transfer title to you. -They actually did not get that from me, 240 00:11:58,165 --> 00:12:01,233 they got that from my friend. They wasn't really asking me no questions. 241 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:02,767 They said right here, 242 00:12:02,834 --> 00:12:06,033 "Statement of Timesha Williams." So, let me continue. 243 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:08,700 "Timesha indicated that Christine 244 00:12:08,767 --> 00:12:12,433 placed her and Timesha's aunt on the will... 245 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,266 There was no will. 246 00:12:14,333 --> 00:12:17,967 ...for the property, and that included the Honda." 247 00:12:18,033 --> 00:12:21,233 So, these are the lies in every sentence here. 248 00:12:21,300 --> 00:12:23,400 So, you mean to tell me that these cops took the time 249 00:12:23,467 --> 00:12:25,533 to concoct lies for every sentence? 250 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,767 -I didn't say they concoct the lies... -[Patricia] They had to! 251 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:30,367 Because you're saying this isn't true, you didn't say it. 252 00:12:30,433 --> 00:12:31,934 They have it mixed up. 253 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:32,900 [Patricia] Now, we go to you. 254 00:12:32,967 --> 00:12:35,400 How many children did your mother have, Christine have? 255 00:12:35,467 --> 00:12:37,233 Five, but one is deceased. 256 00:12:37,300 --> 00:12:39,133 Okay. So, four of you who are alive. 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,066 So, do you have a decent relationship with any of your siblings? 258 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:44,934 I'm still grieving from my mom. 259 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,700 What does that have to do with your relationship 260 00:12:46,767 --> 00:12:48,000 with the people in your family? 261 00:12:48,066 --> 00:12:49,133 Um, no. 262 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,165 For two people who are grieving, I have to say, 263 00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:53,734 you spend a lot of time on the phone with the police department. 264 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,800 When my mom died in the house, I had put a lock on the gate. 265 00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:00,467 Yeah, and you showed us pictures of the lock. 266 00:13:00,533 --> 00:13:01,734 I didn't see a broken lock. 267 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,967 -It's broke right here, your honor. -[Patricia] So, where is it broken? 268 00:13:04,033 --> 00:13:07,700 The first lock, your honor, that I bought. Then I added the other two on there. 269 00:13:07,767 --> 00:13:10,300 So, this is not a picture of the broken lock. 270 00:13:10,367 --> 00:13:13,633 This is the picture of two locks that you put on 'cause these locks are closed. 271 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:16,066 They're not open, they're not broken, they're not cut. 272 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:18,633 I don't know which one of you... You know what, they say, 273 00:13:18,700 --> 00:13:21,533 the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Did you ever hear that expression? 274 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,467 [Timesha] Yes. 275 00:13:22,533 --> 00:13:25,633 Well, I got to tell you, you two are both right under the same tree branch. 276 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:27,500 First of all, what made you go to the house that day? 277 00:13:27,567 --> 00:13:29,100 'Cause I was going to put 278 00:13:29,166 --> 00:13:31,300 -the trash cans back in the yard, -Can I say something? 279 00:13:31,367 --> 00:13:32,233 on a Friday. 280 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,834 So... but you never went to the house, really. 281 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,633 I have been going to the house. Yes, I have, 'cause I have the key. 282 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:40,400 I know, you said that you had the key. But you told Judge Acker 283 00:13:40,467 --> 00:13:43,700 that between the date of your mother's death in Febru... 284 00:13:43,767 --> 00:13:44,767 Have a seat. 285 00:13:46,133 --> 00:13:49,066 Between the date of your mother's death in February and June, 286 00:13:49,133 --> 00:13:50,633 you never really went to the house. 287 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:52,700 Yes, I did, your honor. I kept going there just to... 288 00:13:52,767 --> 00:13:54,300 [Patricia] Judge Acker, did I misunderstand? 289 00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:55,800 No, you did not misunderstand. 290 00:13:55,867 --> 00:13:57,734 -She just changed her testimony. -Thank you. 291 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,934 So now, now you suddenly go to the house. 292 00:14:00,066 --> 00:14:02,433 And what were you doing at the house that you were moving garbage pails? 293 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:05,367 I was showing the house to the probate attorneys. 294 00:14:05,433 --> 00:14:07,533 -On that day? -Yeah, real estate, yes. 295 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,734 So, you get there and you say, oh, my God, they broke into the lock! 296 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,166 I called one of my siblings and told him that the gate was broke 297 00:14:15,233 --> 00:14:16,800 and the car was stolen out the yard. 298 00:14:16,867 --> 00:14:18,934 So, my sibling told me to call the police. 299 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,867 So, how do I know you didn't break the gate, 300 00:14:20,934 --> 00:14:22,333 just to make it look like it was her? 301 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,600 I wouldn't do that, your honor. I wouldn't do that to my mother. 302 00:14:24,667 --> 00:14:26,433 Not your mother, you'd do it to your daughter. 303 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:28,867 Listen, you two would do anything to anybody. 304 00:14:28,934 --> 00:14:30,934 To see a mother and daughter in here 305 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,100 over property belonging to a deceased grandmother. 306 00:14:34,165 --> 00:14:38,165 I have not seen anything, in this courtroom, that really amounts 307 00:14:38,233 --> 00:14:43,200 to this type of disregard for family, love, friendship, people. 308 00:14:43,266 --> 00:14:44,500 Me either, your honor. 309 00:14:44,567 --> 00:14:48,165 So now, you got this car missing, according to you, 310 00:14:48,233 --> 00:14:52,033 according to you, you would never do to your mother by cutting the lock. 311 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:54,133 That's what Timesha did. She admitted it. 312 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,734 [Patricia] Did you admit to cutting the lock? 313 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,700 No, I didn't. The gate was already broke 314 00:14:57,767 --> 00:14:59,066 -when I went over there. -[Debbie] No, it wasn't. 315 00:14:59,133 --> 00:15:01,433 How do you know? You don't even know when she went. 316 00:15:01,500 --> 00:15:02,800 -[Patricia] Anyway... -'Cause I went there. 317 00:15:02,867 --> 00:15:03,834 -Please stop talking. -Okay. 318 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:06,233 'Cause you know what? My head's tired of hearing lies. 319 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:07,867 [Patricia] Let me try to talk to you. 320 00:15:07,934 --> 00:15:12,000 So now, you go... You go into the backyard, the car's there. 321 00:15:12,066 --> 00:15:14,333 It's not whether you had a right to the car or not. 322 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,767 But I think the fact that you have a right to the car, if you do, 323 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:23,834 goes to me how much more malicious your mom may have been in the situation, 324 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:28,000 knowing that you had the permission from someone to have the car. 325 00:15:28,066 --> 00:15:29,633 Because truthfully speaking, 326 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,800 the law would provide that if somebody dies in testate, 327 00:15:32,867 --> 00:15:36,367 that their property passes to each of their children. 328 00:15:36,433 --> 00:15:40,834 Per... what they call, per stirpes, which means that if she had $100 329 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:43,033 and you were five kids, you'd all get $20. 330 00:15:43,100 --> 00:15:46,600 So, that's what the law would presume unless there were some other... 331 00:15:46,667 --> 00:15:49,165 But we don't have any of that. We just have an aunt 332 00:15:49,233 --> 00:15:51,467 who has the Power of Attorney who's not here. 333 00:15:51,533 --> 00:15:55,400 And we don't have you reporting to your mother that you had the car. 334 00:15:55,467 --> 00:15:58,667 Well, let me ask you one other thing. Tell me exactly what you said 335 00:15:58,734 --> 00:16:01,233 when you called the police to report the car stolen. 336 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:03,100 I went down to the 'cinct. Once... 337 00:16:03,166 --> 00:16:05,333 [Patricia] You went down to the precinct. What did you say? 338 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,533 I said, my mom car was stolen out the yard, 339 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,400 and the lock has been broken on the gate. 340 00:16:10,467 --> 00:16:11,967 And what'd they say to you? 341 00:16:12,033 --> 00:16:15,867 They asked me for my I.D. and I filed a police report. 342 00:16:15,934 --> 00:16:19,300 Did you have to give the name of anybody that you thought took the vehicle? 343 00:16:19,367 --> 00:16:22,066 I didn't know at the time, your honor. I didn't know. I didn't know. 344 00:16:22,133 --> 00:16:24,867 Until they stopped Timesha and called me July the 12th 345 00:16:24,934 --> 00:16:26,834 and told me that your daughter was in the car. 346 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:30,834 And that's kind of what I wanted to hear 'cause I'm not so sure 347 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,867 because she called the police 348 00:16:32,934 --> 00:16:35,667 that she said, and my daughter stole the vehicle. 349 00:16:35,734 --> 00:16:39,867 Because I think, based... if you're telling the truth that 20 cops 350 00:16:39,934 --> 00:16:42,333 got out of the car with rifles and guns, 351 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,000 it doesn't sound to me 352 00:16:44,066 --> 00:16:48,333 like a mom saying, my daughter took the vehicle. 353 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,233 Because they never would've approached you under any circumstances 354 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,767 with so many police in it. So, I'm not so sure, 355 00:16:55,834 --> 00:16:57,800 when your mother reported the car stolen, 356 00:16:57,867 --> 00:17:01,033 though, I don't necessarily trust everything she says, 357 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:04,433 that the report that she made named you. Because if it did, 358 00:17:05,032 --> 00:17:08,567 your name would be in the report. She says, my daughter stole the vehicle. 359 00:17:08,633 --> 00:17:12,300 Now, do we have a police report that you made out that day 360 00:17:12,367 --> 00:17:15,700 with an indication as to what you said when you reported it? 361 00:17:15,767 --> 00:17:18,400 I'd like to see it. Because if you didn't give her name, 362 00:17:18,467 --> 00:17:19,767 I didn't give her name, your honor. 363 00:17:19,834 --> 00:17:22,700 And I... For some crazy reason, I almost believe you. 364 00:17:23,567 --> 00:17:25,800 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice... 365 00:17:25,867 --> 00:17:29,200 You described a moment ago, your relationship with your aunt is good. 366 00:17:29,266 --> 00:17:31,200 -Yes. -One would expect her to 367 00:17:31,266 --> 00:17:33,834 corroborate and support what you say 368 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,100 -and contradict what the defendant says. -Yes. 369 00:17:37,166 --> 00:17:38,066 Where is she? 370 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:49,367 If you did give her name, I think, they would've been a little different 371 00:17:49,433 --> 00:17:52,967 with when they pulled her over. I'm not sure how then, 372 00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:55,867 if she didn't give your name and say specifically it was you, 373 00:17:55,934 --> 00:17:59,266 that you could be so angry with her that the police stopped you. 374 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:03,000 Because what she really reported was almost a residential burglary, 375 00:18:03,066 --> 00:18:06,066 for all they knew. There was no key, there was a broken lock, 376 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:09,266 you were in the yard, it was on the other side of enclosed property. 377 00:18:09,333 --> 00:18:12,066 So, the police could've used force for a stop, 378 00:18:12,133 --> 00:18:15,033 but I don't know. Judge Levy? You keep looking for that. 379 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,834 That's gonna be your whole case for me. 380 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:18,066 -[Adam] Miss Williams. -Yes. 381 00:18:18,133 --> 00:18:23,667 I want you to tell me what your interest, if any, was in your grandmother's Honda 382 00:18:23,734 --> 00:18:24,967 prior to her passing. 383 00:18:25,033 --> 00:18:27,200 -Did she put you on the title? -No, she didn't, your honor. 384 00:18:27,266 --> 00:18:28,600 You would agree with me, would you not, 385 00:18:28,667 --> 00:18:33,133 that if she wanted you to have a possessory interest in that vehicle 386 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,133 should something happen to her, nothing prevented her 387 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,333 from filling out a DMV document that listed you as a co-owner. 388 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,867 -Correct. No, she didn't, your honor. -[Adam] But she didn't. 389 00:18:43,934 --> 00:18:48,500 And that that 2008 Honda was one of the largest possessions 390 00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:52,133 and most valuable possessions that your grandmother owned. 391 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,367 Besides her house, yes. 392 00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:56,633 And you knew that if something should, God forbid, happen to her, 393 00:18:56,700 --> 00:19:00,166 that the way the law worked is that the car wouldn't go to you, 394 00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:02,033 it would go to one of her children, 395 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,467 which included your mother and the siblings. 396 00:19:04,533 --> 00:19:05,867 -You knew that. -Correct. 397 00:19:05,934 --> 00:19:08,667 And so, you would agree with me, would you not, 398 00:19:08,734 --> 00:19:14,600 that prior to your grandmother passing, you could have taken her down to the DMV 399 00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:18,600 and gotten this done the right way by having her include your name. 400 00:19:18,667 --> 00:19:21,100 -But you just never did that. -Correct. 401 00:19:21,166 --> 00:19:23,633 So, what I'm interested in is, 402 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,100 you provided us with exhibit seven, 403 00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:30,300 which was a letter dated July 26th, 2022 to you. 404 00:19:30,367 --> 00:19:35,400 This letter is to verify that continuous liability coverage 405 00:19:35,467 --> 00:19:38,567 has been in effect for Timesha Denise Williams 406 00:19:38,633 --> 00:19:43,900 effective May 23rd, 2021 to the present without lapse. 407 00:19:43,967 --> 00:19:48,333 Vehicle covered: 2008 Honda Accord 408 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,500 with the same VIN number of your grandmother's car. 409 00:19:51,567 --> 00:19:53,533 How is it that you present 410 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,934 -a forged document to this court? -That's from proof 411 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,200 from when I called and asked them can they send me something 412 00:19:59,266 --> 00:20:01,233 stating that I had insurance on the car. 413 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,066 So, are you saying that you had insurance, separate and apart 414 00:20:05,133 --> 00:20:07,133 from your grandmother on the Honda? 415 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,567 I added her car into my policy. 416 00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:13,100 How is that you can add a car onto a policy 417 00:20:13,166 --> 00:20:15,233 that you don't have a possessory interest in? 418 00:20:15,300 --> 00:20:17,400 'Cause the car was registered in my name. 419 00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:20,033 Show me your grandmother's car was registered in your name. 420 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,967 I couldn't get it registered 'cause we have to wait 421 00:20:22,033 --> 00:20:23,266 for the lien sell paperwork. 422 00:20:23,333 --> 00:20:26,066 -'Cause they said that her car was... -[Adam laughs] 423 00:20:26,133 --> 00:20:29,700 All right. You described a moment ago, your relationship with your aunt, 424 00:20:29,767 --> 00:20:33,066 who is the one who allegedly gave you permission to the car, 425 00:20:33,133 --> 00:20:35,200 -is good. Do you stand by that? -Yes. 426 00:20:35,266 --> 00:20:38,800 Based upon your good relationship that you have with her... 427 00:20:38,867 --> 00:20:41,100 -Right? One would expect her to -Yes. 428 00:20:41,166 --> 00:20:46,266 corroborate and support what you say and contradict what the defendant says 429 00:20:46,333 --> 00:20:47,867 -Yes. -Where is she? 430 00:20:47,934 --> 00:20:49,433 She don't want to be involved. 431 00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,066 And what do you think that does for you? 432 00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:53,700 So, the way that we can view that, we don't have to, 433 00:20:53,767 --> 00:20:56,333 but the law allows us to look at that scenario 434 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,166 based upon the answers that you gave, 435 00:20:58,233 --> 00:21:01,834 is to assume, that had she come in 436 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:05,500 and testified, she would've testified inconsistently 437 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:06,834 with what you had to say 438 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,000 and consistently with what your mother had to say. 439 00:21:10,066 --> 00:21:12,667 That's what the law provides. I'm just telling you. 440 00:21:12,734 --> 00:21:16,233 Do you have any document, in which she, your mother 441 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:19,367 told the police that you stole the car? 442 00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:20,934 I wasn't able to have it. 443 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,934 I have nothing further. 444 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,233 In July, ma'am, when the plaintiff was arrested 445 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,367 as a result of your reporting the car stolen, 446 00:21:28,433 --> 00:21:30,900 prior to your making that report 447 00:21:30,967 --> 00:21:33,800 you called your brother, you said, the car is not here. 448 00:21:33,867 --> 00:21:38,700 Did you call any of the other siblings who might've had an interest in the car? 449 00:21:38,767 --> 00:21:40,000 -No. -Did it occur to you 450 00:21:40,066 --> 00:21:42,033 that maybe you should call some other relatives, 451 00:21:42,100 --> 00:21:46,000 'cause your mother has died. And you know, when something happens 452 00:21:46,066 --> 00:21:47,967 people are all over property and all in the house, 453 00:21:48,033 --> 00:21:50,200 and in fact, you even said 454 00:21:50,266 --> 00:21:52,600 that you knew your daughter had been in the house 455 00:21:52,667 --> 00:21:54,266 to retrieve some of her things. 456 00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:55,500 You said that in your answer. 457 00:21:55,567 --> 00:21:58,100 If you knew that she'd been in the house at some point 458 00:21:58,166 --> 00:22:00,800 between the time you reported the car stolen 459 00:22:00,867 --> 00:22:02,734 and the time your mother died... 460 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,533 -The car was... -Why not call some of the other people 461 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,367 who you knew had access to your late mother's home? 462 00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:11,400 Including your daughter? You knew she had access to the home. 463 00:22:11,467 --> 00:22:13,834 Because you knew she had taken some other items. 464 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,500 That, you don't have any problem with 'cause you say she bought those things. 465 00:22:16,567 --> 00:22:20,266 I was hurt 'cause of my mother, so I wasn't thinking like that, you know? 466 00:22:20,333 --> 00:22:22,000 Okay. Thank you. Judge... 467 00:22:22,066 --> 00:22:24,367 While we were doing this, I looked at your phone 468 00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:27,033 and you showed me the police report that you made out. 469 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:30,767 And there was nothing from you saying that she stole the vehicle. 470 00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:33,734 So, I think at this point, we're gonna retire to deliberate. 471 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,667 Thank you all. 472 00:22:34,734 --> 00:22:37,700 [Byrd] Court stands in recess. Parties are excused. 473 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,967 So, what's interesting is that in her testimony today, 474 00:22:42,033 --> 00:22:44,867 the Defendant kept suggesting, oh, I had no idea. 475 00:22:44,934 --> 00:22:48,300 I had no idea who allegedly stole the car. 476 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:51,600 When you look at her answer, she immediately points the finger 477 00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:54,300 at the Plaintiff, because she says that at some point 478 00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:57,800 the Plaintiff was at her late mother's house getting some things 479 00:22:57,867 --> 00:23:00,333 and that's when she noticed the car keys were gone. 480 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,633 The timing was suspicious. 481 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:05,567 I think that she had a very good reason to believe 482 00:23:05,633 --> 00:23:08,567 that her daughter was in the car when she reported it stolen. 483 00:23:08,633 --> 00:23:11,800 However, I want to dismiss because I think that the Plaintiff 484 00:23:11,867 --> 00:23:13,800 did exactly the same thing as the Defendant. 485 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:18,066 I think that there are a lot of nasty things people do in litigation. 486 00:23:18,133 --> 00:23:22,233 I think that calling the police on one another in order to get an advantage 487 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:23,600 is about the nastiest. 488 00:23:23,667 --> 00:23:27,367 So, I do think that the Defendant had good reason to believe 489 00:23:27,433 --> 00:23:31,567 that it was Plaintiff in the car, but I find the Plaintiff's unclean hands, 490 00:23:31,633 --> 00:23:34,133 for me, make me unwilling to rule in her favor. 491 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,266 Oh, I think not only were her hands just unclean, they were filthy. 492 00:23:37,333 --> 00:23:39,800 She said that her grandmother gave her the car in April. 493 00:23:39,867 --> 00:23:42,967 The grandmother died in February. She said that the grandmother left a will. 494 00:23:43,033 --> 00:23:44,533 The grandmother never left a will. 495 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,333 She said that in the will it named her and her aunt 496 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,800 the rightful owners of all the grandmother's property. 497 00:23:49,867 --> 00:23:52,734 So, the bottom line here is, she lied outright to the police. 498 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,200 She knew darn well what she was saying wasn't true. 499 00:23:55,266 --> 00:23:59,000 And the reality is that she is not entitled to $10,000 500 00:23:59,066 --> 00:24:02,734 for any report made by her mother for any reason, 501 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,533 false or not, at this point. 502 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,233 She failed to meet her burden. It's plain and simple. 503 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:10,100 That's the way I see it. She understood what was at stake 504 00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:12,166 with respect to her grandmother's property. 505 00:24:12,233 --> 00:24:14,100 She testified she understands what happens, 506 00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:17,400 that the children of her grandmother would be the ones to get the property. 507 00:24:17,467 --> 00:24:20,433 And she did absolutely nothing to secure herself 508 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,633 a place in that line 509 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:25,200 for ownership interest in the vehicle, period. 510 00:24:25,266 --> 00:24:29,633 There is no evidence that she has, that her mother acted maliciously. 511 00:24:29,700 --> 00:24:32,233 -Number one, when she filed the report. -Right, 'cause she didn't name her. 512 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,734 Number two... Didn't name her. 513 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,400 ...the one person who possibly could've corroborated her claim 514 00:24:36,467 --> 00:24:37,333 was her aunt. 515 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,567 And we all know what the missing witness charge is. 516 00:24:39,633 --> 00:24:41,367 We're not required to... Right? 517 00:24:41,433 --> 00:24:43,200 ...assume that she came in, she would've testified. 518 00:24:43,266 --> 00:24:44,400 But we're allowed to. 519 00:24:44,467 --> 00:24:47,367 That's not the reason why I'm ruling the way I am. 520 00:24:47,433 --> 00:24:49,233 She just failed to meet her burden. 521 00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:52,500 For me, a big part of the dismissal is that you're both engaged 522 00:24:52,567 --> 00:24:54,300 -in the same improper conduct. -Oh, absolutely. 523 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:55,834 Yeah, the way you said it was perfectly fine 524 00:24:55,900 --> 00:24:58,133 Yeah, and the fact that she lied to the police on top of that. 525 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,433 -Great. We're unanimous. -Thank you. 526 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,600 [Byrd] Court is back in session. 527 00:25:04,667 --> 00:25:06,567 Parties are reminded you're still under oath. 528 00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:09,600 We've deliberated and we've reached an unanimous verdict. 529 00:25:09,667 --> 00:25:13,033 Miss Williams, again, to be clear, your claim at issue in this case 530 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:16,633 is not for the car. But it's based on your belief, 531 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:17,834 your position, 532 00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:21,867 that your mother acted in bad faith when she reported the car stolen. 533 00:25:21,934 --> 00:25:25,734 As was revealed in the course of the case, there's nothing in the police report 534 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,967 that indicates that she named you as a suspect in the theft. 535 00:25:30,033 --> 00:25:32,734 But I think you did. Regardless of what you said to the police, 536 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,600 you had it in the back of your mind that she may have had it. 537 00:25:35,667 --> 00:25:39,000 However, that does not end the analysis. Because Miss Williams, 538 00:25:39,066 --> 00:25:42,467 you came to court and made a number of material misstatements. 539 00:25:42,533 --> 00:25:45,266 You submitted evidence that we believe was forged. 540 00:25:45,333 --> 00:25:49,500 You also submitted evidence that indicates that you were not truthful 541 00:25:49,567 --> 00:25:53,200 in prior statements with respect to the ownership of the car. 542 00:25:53,266 --> 00:25:55,867 But you know what, I'm gonna even take the bird's eye view. 543 00:25:55,934 --> 00:26:00,633 Because we are all unanimous in believing this. 544 00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:03,033 People come to court, they fight with one another 545 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:06,300 and they use everything they can to get an advantage. 546 00:26:06,367 --> 00:26:09,133 And when you start calling the police on one another... 547 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,633 'Cause you're suing your mom for calling the police on you. 548 00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:16,767 You did exactly the same thing when you certainly knew she had the car. 549 00:26:16,834 --> 00:26:22,033 So, whatever pain, whatever embarrassment, whatever fear you had, 550 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:26,700 by looking down the barrel of many police officer's guns, being handcuffed, 551 00:26:26,767 --> 00:26:29,633 which I believe was humiliating. Had you not done that, 552 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:32,433 I would have gone back into that deliberation room 553 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:35,200 and fought like hell to get you money. 554 00:26:35,266 --> 00:26:38,767 Because when people get the police called on them for no good reason, 555 00:26:38,834 --> 00:26:40,333 that is wrong! 556 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,000 You did exactly the same thing to your mother. 557 00:26:43,066 --> 00:26:45,500 You gave as good as you got. You get no remedy here. 558 00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:46,767 Your case is dismissed. 559 00:26:47,533 --> 00:26:49,533 [Byrd] This case is concluded. Parties are excused. 560 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:50,500 You may step out. 561 00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:53,433 I have nothing to say. 562 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:55,867 I feel wonderful and excited. I'm happy. 563 00:26:55,934 --> 00:26:56,934 I don't have a mother... 564 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,900 I'm a sweet mother. 565 00:26:57,967 --> 00:27:00,500 ...'Cause she's a envy jealous person. 566 00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:03,900 Her mother raised her to be a nice, good young lady, 567 00:27:03,967 --> 00:27:05,734 but she just shows up to be a devil. 568 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,800 Her action shows it. 569 00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:08,133 It's my mom, Christine. 570 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,100 She just said, Debbie, I'm happy you won. Amen. 571 00:27:11,166 --> 00:27:16,767 [narrator] Having a family dispute? Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 572 00:27:16,834 --> 00:27:19,934 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice.