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This is about this beautiful,

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beautiful motorcycle.

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Your name is not
on the registration.

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No.

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Your name is not
on the bill of sale.

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-No.
-You don’t own it.

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Correct.

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How could you
sell him the bike?

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I feel like I’m in
an alternate universe.

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I can’t believe
you showed up today.

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[announcer]
Today on Tribunal Justice.

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[announcer]
This case was filed

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in San Bernardino, California.

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Your Honor, this is case #1101
on the calendar

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in the matter
of Ten-Eyck v. Hernandez.

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Parties have been sworn in.
You may be seated.

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-[Patricia] Thank you, Byrd.
-[Byrd] You’re welcome, Judge.

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Mr. Ten-Eyck,

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this is about this beautiful
motorcycle.

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-[Ten-Eyck] It is.
-[Patricia] Not that I would

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get on it and ride it,
but nevertheless,

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it is a nice machine.

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-[chuckles]
-You’re basically suing

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the defendant who sold you that.

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And he sold it to you,
according to you,

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knowing that there was
a lien on it,

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deceiving you into thinking
it was being paid off.

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And it wasn’t.

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To this day, you can’t register
it in your name

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because he, sir,

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is not technically
the owner of it.

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So you’re suing him here
for what you paid:

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$6,050, that you gave him
in cash.

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Sir, your position is,
"I needed the money.

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I had the bike."

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"I told him about the lien

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that was on it with the bank."

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He refused to wait
for you to work this all out

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with the bank.

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He said you’re a scammer.
You say you’re not,

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because if you were a scammer,

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you would have stopped
talking to him.

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So just a word to the wise,

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you can only scam by talking.

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So the fact that you didn’t
stop talking proves nothing.

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Let’s start.
I know how you got the bike.

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You got it from him.
So let me ask you, sir.

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How did you get the bike?

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I took it out at the dealership.

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-You went to the dealership?
-[Hernandez] Correct.

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So tell me, sir,
who is the owner of it?

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A relative.

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She cosigned for me.

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Where is she?
Because I don’t see the bike

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in anybody’s name but hers.

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Your name is not
on the registration.

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Your name is not
on the bill of sale.

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So I ask you again,
who is the owner of it?

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A relative.

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[Patricia]
What kind of relative?

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She’s a close friend.

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So she went from a relative
to a close friend?

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A close friend I knew
since high school.

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[Patricia] So, once you go
to high school with somebody,

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they can become a relative?

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-Is that how you do it?
-No.

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Okay, so then when you tell me
she was a relative,

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were you telling me the truth?

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No, she’s a close friend
from high school.

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I knew her for years already.

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Let’s use the word "liar."

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So this close friend
still has the bike in her name.

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So how do you propose
to sell it to Mr. Ten-Eyck?

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Well, I posted it on OfferUp
to sell it online.

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[Patricia] So you say
you go online and you say,

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"I’m selling my Ninja Kawasaki,
$6,050."

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-Correct.
-What’s that really worth?

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Do you know the book value
on this, sir?

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[Ten-Eyck]
Probably a little bit more.

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Maybe if he had the title
a little bit more for $7,075,

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at the most.

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[Patricia]
But not if he still owes

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seven or eight thousand dollars.

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Yeah, only a few people
will agree and, you know,

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um, have the confidence of,

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okay, I’ll wait for him
to pay off the bike,

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and him sending me the title.

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I guess I took that risk
and paid the bike.

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[Patricia]
Did you ever get to ride it,

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other than bringing it home?

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That was the first time,

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and ever since
it stayed there

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because I wanted to put it
under my name,

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and they pretty much said
there was a lien.

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So I couldn’t do anything.

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How much was the lien?
Did they tell you?

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If I recall, it was like
five thousand and something,

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because he sent me
a fake proof of payment.

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[Patricia]
I saw that.

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$5,800, I believe,
that he owed.

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[Patricia]
So let me stop you.

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Do you have the documents
to show the loan that you took?

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No. On me? No.

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So how did you get a loan?

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I financed it
from the dealership.

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I was at the dealership,
and they financed it.

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[Patricia]
You’re not on any of the papers,

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and money is owed.

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So how do you purport
to sell the bike to him?

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Because it’s possible, even,
that you could end up

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getting arrested
for something like this.

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-Do you have his money?
-[Hernandez] No.

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[Patricia]
What did you do with his money?

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I needed it for emergencies.

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How do we know
you didn’t steal that?

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Tell me.

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Because I financed it, so...

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[Patricia] But you don’t have
any proof of anything.

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Now, I have the bill of sale
where this bike was sold.

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to your high school friend.

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She buys this bike
for $14,492.

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And she registers it
on November 12th, 2021.

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Yeah, I paid every month.

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Did you give us
any proof of that?

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[Hernandez]
Yes, I have my documents here.

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I paid every month online.

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[Patricia] I see that you
showed him something,

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that you paid it off.

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But you didn’t pay it off,
did you?

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-No.
-[Patricia] No.

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I’m not sure
what your defense is.

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Your defense is,
"I sold something I don’t own

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"and haven’t paid off yet
to a guy

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"who I don’t know
because I needed his money

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to take care of an emergency."

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It wasn’t for bail money,
was it?

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Nope.

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What do you want to do here?

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[Ten-Eyck]
I obviously just--

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You know,

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I can’t just stay
with this bike.

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I need my money.

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I got a 10-month baby,

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and, you know,
I can’t even ride this thing,

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so I’d rather just have
my money back,

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and I can just politely
give him the bike back,

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which I’ve been
trying to do for months.

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That’s so interesting you’re
finishing with that statement,

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because you say that you’ve been
a motorcycle enthusiast

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"since I was a kid.

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"Back home in Spain,

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"it was a very long process to
get a high-powered motorcycle,

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"so when I moved to America,

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I was excited because I could
easily get one."

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But you didn’t get one
that you can own.

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You just got one. That’s it.

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What I mean there is that
Spain is very difficult

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to get a high-powered
motorcycle license.

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You got to study,
do practice, you know...

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So wait, you’re coming here

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and you don’t know
how to ride one of these?

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No, because here was a joke.

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I went to the DMV in one day,

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I went out with an M1 license.

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To get an M1 in Spain

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you have to go, like,
from 50 cc to 150, to 250.

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[Patricia] So in other words
you’re telling me in Spain,

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you really know
how to ride one of these,

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whereas here, any idiot could
get on the back of one of these

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and start zipping
across the street.

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It was very easy, to be honest.

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Like, in just a couple of hours
I went out with an M1 license.

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[Patricia] Well, I’m happy
you got the license.

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I’m also very pleased with you
that you did not

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illegally drive this motorcycle
that was not in your name.

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-Thank you.
-You want to turn this to him,

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but I don’t think
he’s the owner.

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I didn’t even know he wasn’t
the owner till right now,

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because he said that he owned
the bike with his sister,

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that I didn’t even know about.

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[Patricia]
Clearly she’s not here.

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We have no evidence,

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no genealogical evidence,

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that he has any relation to her

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other than maybe they took
high school gym or something.

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He takes the money from you
in cash,

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deceives you
by showing you documents

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that he’s paid off this lien
that he never paid off, right?

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No. I am a cosigner of it.

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[Patricia]
Of what?

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The motorcycle.

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[Patricia]
Where?

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Am I missing something?

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Am I-- Did you see it,
Judge Acker?

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This is just...

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[Patricia]
Let me say this to you.

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If Judge Levy didn’t see it,
it does not exist.

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-Did you see it, Judge Levy?
-Nope.

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Oh, it does not exist.

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So now you know
what you deserve for that?

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Judge Levy.

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[laughs]

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I can’t believe
you showed up today.

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[Patricia, laughing]
It’s true.

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This is not
gonna be easy for you.

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You understand that, right?

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[announcer]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

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He goes to register the bike,

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only to find out
that you didn’t pay the note.

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What did you think
was gonna happen?

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Well, at that time they said it
didn’t happen, so...

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What? No.

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Let me back up a little bit.

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Did you go to school?

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[announcer]
David Ten-Eyck is suing

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seller Manuel Hernandez

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for the cost of a Ninja
motorcycle.

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Manuel says David knew the
motorcycle had a lien on it,

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and wanted to work things out.

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But David refused.

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So you’re the co-owner.
The cosigner of this loan.

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Correct.

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[Adam]
Here is the bill of sale

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from November 10th, 2021,

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signed by this close friend
of yours,

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and the co-buyer’s signature

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where you are saying
your name should have gone

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is not there.

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And in addition,

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this bill of sale indicates
that the method of payment

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for this motorcycle
was a $14,492.50 bank note

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to Citibank N.A.

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Citibank owns this bike.

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Not you.

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July 5th is when
you sold the bike?

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-Correct.
-[Adam] Now, Mr. Ten-Eyck,

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you provided us
with an e-withdrawal for $6,000.

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Is that the money that you used
to purchase this?

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Uh, $50 more than that.
$6,050.

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[Adam] $6,050.

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So this is dated
June 23rd, 2022.

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So you knew
on or about June 23rd, 2022,

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that you were gonna be
purchasing something.

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A bike.

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You wanted money in hand,

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so when you found a deal

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you’d be able to buy it
right away.

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-That is correct.
-[Adam] Okay.

249
00:09:19,467 --> 00:09:20,800
So on July 5th,

250
00:09:20,867 --> 00:09:22,600
we have text messages.

251
00:09:22,667 --> 00:09:24,066
This is Mr. Hernandez.

252
00:09:24,133 --> 00:09:26,100
You’re gonna say,
"Okay, if not,

253
00:09:26,166 --> 00:09:29,333
"I’ll transfer
$6,100 of my own money

254
00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:30,934
"and pay it off,

255
00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,367
"but I’m trusting that you will
come with the money."

256
00:09:33,433 --> 00:09:34,600
So you’re saying here
you’re gonna transfer

257
00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:36,533
your own $6,100.

258
00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,033
You’re gonna pay off the loan,

259
00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:41,033
and then you’ll have
a clean title

260
00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:43,233
with which to give him
and the motorcycle

261
00:09:43,300 --> 00:09:44,567
when he shows up
later in the day.

262
00:09:44,633 --> 00:09:46,100
Correct.

263
00:09:46,165 --> 00:09:47,400
[Adam]
But you did not have $6,100.

264
00:09:47,467 --> 00:09:49,400
At that moment, yes.

265
00:09:49,467 --> 00:09:51,433
Before my family emergency
accident happened, yes.

266
00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:53,667
What?

267
00:09:53,734 --> 00:09:55,100
You know what?

268
00:09:55,165 --> 00:09:56,967
Tell me what your family
emergency was.

269
00:09:57,033 --> 00:09:59,000
-Death.
-[Adam] I won’t make light,

270
00:09:59,066 --> 00:10:01,066
and I don’t know whether
you’re telling me the truth.

271
00:10:01,133 --> 00:10:02,967
-Who died?
-My dad’s brother.

272
00:10:03,033 --> 00:10:04,400
[Adam] Your dad’s brother.
So your uncle.

273
00:10:04,467 --> 00:10:06,000
-Correct.
-[Adam] All right.

274
00:10:06,066 --> 00:10:07,500
To the extent
that that’s even true,

275
00:10:07,567 --> 00:10:08,934
at 2:31 you say,

276
00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,266
I’m gonna take my $6,100

277
00:10:11,333 --> 00:10:14,100
and I’m going
to pay off that loan.

278
00:10:14,166 --> 00:10:17,300
So I’m gonna give you
clean title to this vehicle.

279
00:10:17,367 --> 00:10:20,300
And then this is your evidence
that you provided to us.

280
00:10:20,367 --> 00:10:22,800
Proof of payment
that you submitted then

281
00:10:22,867 --> 00:10:25,834
to Mr. Ten-Eyck.

282
00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:27,066
And this is a scheduled
auto payment.

283
00:10:27,133 --> 00:10:29,066
"Review your payment details."

284
00:10:29,133 --> 00:10:31,400
This is just what you told him
you were gonna pay.

285
00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:33,233
But you did not make
the payment, right?

286
00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:35,834
-It was scheduled.
-It was scheduled for that day.

287
00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:37,867
That’s why you said "all set."

288
00:10:37,934 --> 00:10:39,333
-Correct.
-[Adam] "All set" meaning

289
00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,433
I just paid $5,814.35.

290
00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:46,133
-Correct.
-Which you did not do.

291
00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:47,967
-Right?
-Correct.

292
00:10:48,033 --> 00:10:50,600
You just told him that because
you wanted him to believe

293
00:10:50,667 --> 00:10:51,734
that you did that.

294
00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,033
-Right?
-Correct.

295
00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:55,233
You lied to him
about the payment,

296
00:10:55,300 --> 00:10:58,333
and then you gave Mr. Ten-Eyck
the bike.

297
00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,934
And then he goes to register
the bike at the DMV, right?

298
00:11:01,266 --> 00:11:03,467
-Essentially.
-[Adam] Only to find out

299
00:11:03,533 --> 00:11:05,900
that you didn’t pay the note.

300
00:11:05,967 --> 00:11:07,567
What did you think
was gonna happen?

301
00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:09,500
Well, at that time they said it
didn’t happen, so...

302
00:11:09,567 --> 00:11:11,233
[Adam] What? No.

303
00:11:11,300 --> 00:11:13,834
So you knew
he was gonna get stuck

304
00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:15,834
not being able to register
that bike.

305
00:11:15,900 --> 00:11:18,900
-No.
-[Adam] What?

306
00:11:18,967 --> 00:11:20,333
You know what?
Let me back up a little bit.

307
00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,033
Did you go to school?

308
00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:23,400
I’m not joking around at all.

309
00:11:23,467 --> 00:11:25,233
What was the highest grade
that you graduated?

310
00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,767
An A.

311
00:11:27,834 --> 00:11:29,400
-What?
-[Hernandez] Grade?

312
00:11:29,467 --> 00:11:31,200
Grade. Twelfth grade,
eleventh grade.

313
00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:32,333
Twelfth grade.
Graduated, diploma.

314
00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,165
-You graduated high school?
-Yes.

315
00:11:34,233 --> 00:11:36,165
What’d you do after high school?

316
00:11:36,233 --> 00:11:38,066
-Work.
-[Adam] Where?

317
00:11:38,133 --> 00:11:39,967
I’m self-employed.

318
00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:41,900
-Doing what?
-[Hernandez] Marketing.

319
00:11:41,967 --> 00:11:43,834
-For who?
-Myself.

320
00:11:43,900 --> 00:11:46,200
-[Adam] What kind of marketing?
-Stocks.

321
00:11:46,266 --> 00:11:48,433
I gotta ask.

322
00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:52,867
What exactly did you do
with a twelfth-grade education?

323
00:11:52,934 --> 00:11:54,433
Were you trading stocks?
Trading them?

324
00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:55,867
Yes, it’s option trading,

325
00:11:55,934 --> 00:11:56,867
which you don’t need
a license for.

326
00:11:56,934 --> 00:11:58,834
That’s gambling.

327
00:11:58,900 --> 00:11:59,800
Not if you know
what you’re doing.

328
00:11:59,867 --> 00:12:02,000
Yeah, how well did you do?

329
00:12:02,066 --> 00:12:03,333
-Pretty well.
-[Adam] Really?

330
00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,834
Well enough to pay
for the $6,000

331
00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,400
that he gave you that you didn’t
have to pay off the note?

332
00:12:08,467 --> 00:12:11,066
No, but I had family problems,
so I used money for that,

333
00:12:11,133 --> 00:12:12,400
which is a lot of money.

334
00:12:12,467 --> 00:12:14,133
[Adam] Assuming what you just
told me is true,

335
00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,100
you chose to take the money
that he gave to you,

336
00:12:17,166 --> 00:12:19,233
and instead of using the money
to pay off the note,

337
00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:21,467
you chose to do something
else with it

338
00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:24,066
that benefitted yourself
or your family,

339
00:12:24,133 --> 00:12:26,033
to this man’s detriment.

340
00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:27,567
-Right?
-Correct.

341
00:12:27,633 --> 00:12:29,600
This is already
the point in time, Mr. Ten-Eyck,

342
00:12:29,667 --> 00:12:31,467
when you know you’ve been had,
you’ve been scammed.

343
00:12:31,533 --> 00:12:33,333
Can’t register it.
You’re out of luck.

344
00:12:33,633 --> 00:12:34,900
You’ve been communicating.

345
00:12:34,967 --> 00:12:36,467
And now this is you,
Mr. Hernandez.

346
00:12:36,533 --> 00:12:38,100
You say to the plaintiff,

347
00:12:38,165 --> 00:12:39,934
"You have the photo
of the payment."

348
00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,033
The fake one that you gave

349
00:12:42,100 --> 00:12:43,600
where you claimed
to make the payment

350
00:12:43,667 --> 00:12:44,667
but didn’t actually do that.

351
00:12:44,734 --> 00:12:46,400
And you’re telling him,

352
00:12:46,467 --> 00:12:48,300
Hey, I don’t know what’s wrong
with you, Mr. Ten-Eyck.

353
00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:49,400
What’s wrong? Are you stupid?

354
00:12:49,467 --> 00:12:52,500
I already paid it.
You saw, I paid it.

355
00:12:52,567 --> 00:12:53,767
Mr. Ten-Eyck says,

356
00:12:53,834 --> 00:12:56,533
"I showed that today at the DMV,

357
00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,333
"and that is not a proof
of payment it went through."

358
00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,100
And then you say,
"Okay, if it didn’t go through,

359
00:13:02,166 --> 00:13:03,400
"it’s a bank problem.

360
00:13:03,467 --> 00:13:04,934
I’ll call tomorrow."

361
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,533
You knew it wasn’t
a bank problem.

362
00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,300
You knew it was a you problem.

363
00:13:08,367 --> 00:13:11,233
And then you say to him,
"Yes, I went to the bank

364
00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:13,400
and just had
to fill out a claim."

365
00:13:13,467 --> 00:13:15,066
That’s what you told him.
And that was a lie too.

366
00:13:15,133 --> 00:13:16,867
You were just
stringing him along.

367
00:13:16,934 --> 00:13:18,066
That’s August 9th.

368
00:13:18,133 --> 00:13:20,033
September 22nd,
Mr. Ten-Eyck says,

369
00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,967
"Oh, man, so at this point I’m
gonna have to go to your house

370
00:13:23,033 --> 00:13:25,066
"or take this matter
to civil court,

371
00:13:25,133 --> 00:13:28,166
"as you illegally sold me
a vehicle with a lien on it,

372
00:13:28,233 --> 00:13:29,834
"which is a crime.

373
00:13:29,900 --> 00:13:33,967
"It’s either that,
or meet me with my $6,050

374
00:13:34,033 --> 00:13:35,066
"and I’ll give you
your bike back.

375
00:13:35,133 --> 00:13:36,600
"You choose."

376
00:13:36,667 --> 00:13:38,233
You remember what you said?

377
00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,266
"I’m having trouble
getting the money.

378
00:13:40,333 --> 00:13:42,400
"That’s the problem.
I’m not B.S.’ing you.

379
00:13:42,467 --> 00:13:43,600
"It’s just hard."

380
00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:45,033
-Right?
-Correct.

381
00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:47,066
-[Adam] You wanna say something?
-Yeah.

382
00:13:47,133 --> 00:13:49,300
At that point,
it was even a relief,

383
00:13:49,367 --> 00:13:51,867
because I was really
believing him.

384
00:13:51,934 --> 00:13:54,467
So I finally understood that--

385
00:13:54,533 --> 00:13:56,200
What’s that word called
when someone does that

386
00:13:56,266 --> 00:13:57,266
and makes you think
you’re crazy?

387
00:13:57,333 --> 00:13:59,400
-Gaslighting.
-So he’s been gaslighting you

388
00:13:59,467 --> 00:14:01,033
for months, since July.

389
00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,400
Yeah, finally when he told
the truth a little bit,

390
00:14:03,467 --> 00:14:05,033
you know, that he needed
the money...

391
00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:07,367
You’re like, Jeez! Oh, man!
I thought it was me!

392
00:14:07,433 --> 00:14:09,934
-[laughs] Yeah.
-[Adam] That’s what scammers do.

393
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,900
They make you think
you’re crazy.

394
00:14:11,967 --> 00:14:14,166
-So that was September 22nd.
-Yeah.

395
00:14:14,233 --> 00:14:16,300
He finally comes clean.
You got this relief.

396
00:14:16,367 --> 00:14:18,900
Jeez, this guy, you know,
I thought it was me.

397
00:14:18,967 --> 00:14:20,533
At least I feel a little bad
for this guy now.

398
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,166
He’s obviously a freaking moron.

399
00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:24,934
And he’s so stupid he can’t even
keep his lies straight.

400
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,500
And you’re like,
all I want is my money back.

401
00:14:26,567 --> 00:14:27,867
Let me give him some time.

402
00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,066
So then in October 15th

403
00:14:30,133 --> 00:14:32,033
is when you set up a date
to meet,

404
00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:34,934
because he had told you on
the phone that he had the money.

405
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,367
-And he didn’t have the money.
-Correct.

406
00:14:37,433 --> 00:14:39,867
So I guess all your stock option
tradings weren’t doing so good.

407
00:14:39,934 --> 00:14:41,200
-Right?
-Incorrect.

408
00:14:41,266 --> 00:14:43,200
-[Adam] I’m sorry?
-Incorrect.

409
00:14:43,266 --> 00:14:44,567
Incorrect? I want you
to think real hard

410
00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:46,200
about what you’re gonna say
right now.

411
00:14:46,266 --> 00:14:49,300
Are you saying
that you had the money

412
00:14:49,367 --> 00:14:50,533
but you just didn’t want
to give it to him?

413
00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,033
Because that puts this

414
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,333
in a completely different
criminal level.

415
00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,133
-No.
-[Adam] Right.

416
00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,700
So on October 15th,
you make the trip and you say,

417
00:14:56,767 --> 00:14:59,767
"Are you serious?"

418
00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:01,967
"It’s not gonna be me
that you hear from next."

419
00:15:02,033 --> 00:15:03,300
"I’m gonna talk
to the court judge,

420
00:15:03,367 --> 00:15:04,533
who’s gonna issue
an arrest warrant."

421
00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,033
"I can’t believe you.
Good luck."

422
00:15:06,100 --> 00:15:08,233
And then this was you.

423
00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:11,467
"The way you’re coming at me
is not the way you want to.

424
00:15:11,533 --> 00:15:14,033
"You think I’m scamming you?
Ha, ha.

425
00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:16,967
If that’s the case,
you wouldn’t hear from me."

426
00:15:17,033 --> 00:15:18,433
I got to give him credit
for that.

427
00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:22,133
Like, he was texting back,
and he was communicating

428
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,033
for a while.

429
00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,967
Well, that’s because up
until this point, Mr. Ten-Eyck,

430
00:15:26,033 --> 00:15:27,033
you hadn’t called the cops yet.

431
00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:30,433
And he’s just
stringing you along.

432
00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,033
He’s probably just waiting
for another victim

433
00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:34,934
that he could steal money from
to pay you back.

434
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,900
That’s what people like him do.

435
00:15:36,967 --> 00:15:39,400
And now this is you,
Mr. Hernandez.

436
00:15:39,467 --> 00:15:41,900
"You took the bike
without paperwork.

437
00:15:41,967 --> 00:15:45,100
"You took the risk,
and that can’t be held in court.

438
00:15:45,165 --> 00:15:48,433
"I’ve been there, done that.

439
00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:51,533
"I’ve been scammed,
and nothing court can do.

440
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,165
Trust me."

441
00:15:53,233 --> 00:15:54,500
That’s what you said to him,
right?

442
00:15:54,567 --> 00:15:56,400
-Correct.
-[Adam] Let’s do this.

443
00:15:56,467 --> 00:15:59,133
Can we please put up
what the criminal statute is

444
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,166
in California
for false pretenses

445
00:16:01,233 --> 00:16:03,400
under penal law section 532.

446
00:16:03,467 --> 00:16:05,367
Take a look, Mr. Hernandez.

447
00:16:05,433 --> 00:16:07,200
This is what you have in store
right now.

448
00:16:07,266 --> 00:16:10,066
Theft by false pretenses.
Can you start reading that, sir?

449
00:16:10,133 --> 00:16:11,867
[Hernandez]
"This statute prohibits

450
00:16:11,934 --> 00:16:14,600
"defrauding somebody
of their money or property

451
00:16:14,667 --> 00:16:16,166
"using false promises,

452
00:16:16,233 --> 00:16:18,066
"such as convincing someone

453
00:16:18,133 --> 00:16:20,033
"to voluntarily give up
or something of value

454
00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:22,166
"based on..."

455
00:16:22,233 --> 00:16:25,166
[Adam]
Fraudulent representation.

456
00:16:25,233 --> 00:16:28,300
"This type of theft crime
is achieved through deception.

457
00:16:28,367 --> 00:16:30,200
"In order for the prosecution

458
00:16:30,266 --> 00:16:32,867
"to convict you of theft
by false pretenses,

459
00:16:32,934 --> 00:16:35,233
"the prosecutor has to prove
three elements.

460
00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:37,333
"One, you knowingly
and intentionally deceived

461
00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,400
another person
by a false pretense."

462
00:16:39,467 --> 00:16:41,100
You already admitted that.

463
00:16:41,165 --> 00:16:43,433
"Two, your specific intent
was to convince them

464
00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:46,000
to give up his money."
You admitted that.

465
00:16:46,066 --> 00:16:48,433
"Three, once you receive
the property or money,

466
00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:52,033
you had an intent to deprive him
and not give it back."

467
00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:54,266
You, sir, just proved
the prosecution’s case

468
00:16:54,333 --> 00:16:58,165
against you for false pretenses
and grand larceny.

469
00:16:58,233 --> 00:16:59,867
Judge Acker.

470
00:16:59,934 --> 00:17:02,800
[announcer]
Coming up on Tribunal Justice.

471
00:17:02,867 --> 00:17:05,666
How much money did you make on
your options trading last year?

472
00:17:05,733 --> 00:17:07,433
Over 100,000.

473
00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:09,066
Do you just steal from people
for the heck of it

474
00:17:09,133 --> 00:17:10,867
because you think it’s fun?

475
00:17:10,934 --> 00:17:14,333
I think that you are just about
as low as it gets.

476
00:17:22,633 --> 00:17:24,967
You know, you do this thing,

477
00:17:25,032 --> 00:17:27,099
and I was watching you
with Judge DiMango.

478
00:17:28,532 --> 00:17:30,000
You just show up and play dumb.

479
00:17:30,066 --> 00:17:32,834
And then you had to come
a little bit off

480
00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:36,233
of the "playing dumb"
with Judge Levy,

481
00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:40,567
because he was confronting you
with some of your language.

482
00:17:40,633 --> 00:17:42,867
Because you weren’t dumb.
You knew what was going on.

483
00:17:42,934 --> 00:17:44,066
You’re just being a jerk.

484
00:17:44,133 --> 00:17:47,433
Because you knew
that more likely than not,

485
00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:49,233
if he went to the police,
the police would say,

486
00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,467
"Oh, this is a civil matter.
Our hands are tied.

487
00:17:51,533 --> 00:17:53,467
We got bigger fish to fry."

488
00:17:53,533 --> 00:17:57,166
So you thought that you were
gonna get away with it,

489
00:17:57,233 --> 00:17:59,600
just like you said to him
in this text message.

490
00:17:59,667 --> 00:18:03,233
"Nothing court can do.
Trust me."

491
00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:04,533
By the way,
how much money did you make

492
00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,567
on your options trading
last year?

493
00:18:06,633 --> 00:18:08,266
How much?

494
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,600
-Over 100,000.
-[Tanya] You made over...

495
00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:12,533
[laughs]

496
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,867
You’re making all this money
trading options.

497
00:18:14,934 --> 00:18:16,934
Do you just steal from people
for the heck of it

498
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,166
because you think it’s fun?

499
00:18:18,233 --> 00:18:20,066
-Incorrect.
-Because if that’s the case,

500
00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:23,967
then maybe the prosecutor will
be even more interested in you.

501
00:18:24,033 --> 00:18:25,233
And you thought
there was nothing

502
00:18:25,300 --> 00:18:27,900
anyone could do about it.

503
00:18:27,967 --> 00:18:30,834
You were bragging about it
in these text messages.

504
00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,000
It’s despicable.

505
00:18:33,066 --> 00:18:36,266
I think that you are just about
as low as it gets.

506
00:18:36,333 --> 00:18:40,200
Mr. Ten-Eyck, if you hadn’t
engaged with him yet,

507
00:18:40,266 --> 00:18:42,233
and you hadn’t seen
this bike yet,

508
00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:44,467
how did you know it was
going to be a $6,000 purchase?

509
00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:47,100
Why not withdraw 5?
Why not withdraw 7?

510
00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:51,133
I was looking at a bike
around those prices.

511
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,233
I didn’t want to spend more
than, like, 7.

512
00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:56,100
So I had 6 in cash.

513
00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:57,333
I don’t have anything else.
Thank you.

514
00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,066
We’re gonna retire
to deliberate.

515
00:18:59,133 --> 00:19:00,800
-Thank you both.
-[Byrd] Court stands in recess.

516
00:19:00,867 --> 00:19:02,033
Parties are excused.

517
00:19:05,433 --> 00:19:09,367
Well, the defendant,
to me, he’s not as unintelligent

518
00:19:09,433 --> 00:19:12,133
as he wanted us to believe,
at least initially.

519
00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,967
I don’t have an issue
with the fact

520
00:19:15,033 --> 00:19:16,400
that the plaintiff
bought a bike from him.

521
00:19:16,467 --> 00:19:19,033
I believe the text messages.
I read them.

522
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:21,333
And I think that this defendant
is lying about his income.

523
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,166
He’s lying about who he is.

524
00:19:23,233 --> 00:19:24,867
So I’m comfortable

525
00:19:24,934 --> 00:19:27,166
giving the $6,050
back to the plaintiff.

526
00:19:27,233 --> 00:19:28,500
[Adam] How do we give him
back the bike?

527
00:19:28,567 --> 00:19:30,133
The defendant
doesn’t own the bike.

528
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,166
The defendant has no possessory
interest in that bike.

529
00:19:32,233 --> 00:19:34,300
He’s not on the title.
He’s not on the registration.

530
00:19:34,367 --> 00:19:36,300
We can call the bank and say,
"Come and get the bike."

531
00:19:36,367 --> 00:19:38,867
Well, the bike has been in
the possession of the plaintiff

532
00:19:38,934 --> 00:19:40,300
since July 5th.

533
00:19:40,367 --> 00:19:43,266
The problem is
that this defendant,

534
00:19:43,333 --> 00:19:45,300
he has already demonstrated
his capacity

535
00:19:45,367 --> 00:19:47,567
to lie, cheat, steal.

536
00:19:47,633 --> 00:19:49,233
And unless something happens,

537
00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:51,100
he is absolutely
gonna do it again.

538
00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:52,867
It will just embolden him.

539
00:19:52,934 --> 00:19:54,900
His text messages
made that clear.

540
00:19:54,967 --> 00:19:56,967
I am in favor of dismissing

541
00:19:57,033 --> 00:20:00,533
the case today
without prejudice,

542
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,200
which means that the plaintiff
is gonna be able to refile.

543
00:20:03,266 --> 00:20:07,133
But the plaintiff is going
to go the police station

544
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,266
and file a criminal charge
against the defendant

545
00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:13,133
as he, the plaintiff,
said he was gonna do

546
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,400
in the text messages.

547
00:20:14,467 --> 00:20:16,900
Then he can come back,

548
00:20:16,967 --> 00:20:18,400
and then we can then
resolve this case

549
00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,400
to make sure that the right
thing happens here.

550
00:20:20,467 --> 00:20:22,133
I’m not comfortable
telling somebody

551
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,300
they have to bring
a criminal action.

552
00:20:24,367 --> 00:20:27,100
I’m just not gonna put myself
or anybody in a position

553
00:20:27,166 --> 00:20:29,367
where they have to go down
and file a police report,

554
00:20:29,433 --> 00:20:32,166
and go down to the district
attorney’s office.

555
00:20:32,233 --> 00:20:34,066
So if that’s part
of the verdict, I’m out of it.

556
00:20:34,133 --> 00:20:35,533
I think I agree with you,
Patricia.

557
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,066
I don’t want to put
that additional burden

558
00:20:37,133 --> 00:20:38,400
on this plaintiff.

559
00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:39,967
You know, who knows what happens

560
00:20:40,033 --> 00:20:41,266
when he goes
to the police department.

561
00:20:41,333 --> 00:20:42,900
Sometimes, they don’t even
take the report.

562
00:20:42,967 --> 00:20:44,567
They say you gotta come back
between 10 and 4.

563
00:20:44,633 --> 00:20:46,133
That’s too much of a burden.

564
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,266
There are other things
that I think are at play here,

565
00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:50,567
where I could say to somebody,
listen, you’ve been ripped off.

566
00:20:50,633 --> 00:20:52,166
If you’re very angry,

567
00:20:52,233 --> 00:20:53,300
you want to take this
to the police

568
00:20:53,367 --> 00:20:54,433
or the district attorney’s
office,

569
00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:56,133
you can do that.

570
00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,934
But I’m not gonna make
any verdict here

571
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,266
contingent on him bringing...

572
00:20:59,333 --> 00:21:01,000
And there’s nothing
that prevents us

573
00:21:01,066 --> 00:21:02,133
from making a referral.

574
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,100
But I would like
to just give this plaintiff

575
00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:06,967
his verdict,
send him on his way.

576
00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:08,867
I don’t want to make him
go through anything else.

577
00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:11,433
I mean, I think this guy
jerked him around long enough.

578
00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,100
[Patricia] And with regard
to the vehicle itself?

579
00:21:13,166 --> 00:21:14,533
Are we required
to confirm ownership

580
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,133
before we unwind
the transaction?

581
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,133
Yeah, okay,
that’s fine by me as well.

582
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,200
And then if he is in possession
of stolen property,

583
00:21:21,266 --> 00:21:23,467
the authorities
can chase that down.

584
00:21:23,533 --> 00:21:25,300
I’m concerned about what
happened to this plaintiff,

585
00:21:25,367 --> 00:21:26,967
making things right for him.

586
00:21:27,033 --> 00:21:28,433
And then if he wants
to press charges,

587
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:29,834
as I think he should,

588
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:32,367
please, in your verdict,

589
00:21:32,433 --> 00:21:33,834
let him know
that that’s an option.

590
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:34,934
But I would give him the money.

591
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,100
I wouldn’t hold up judgment.

592
00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:37,900
I get it. I’ll dissent.

593
00:21:37,967 --> 00:21:39,934
And your position
is the same as mine?

594
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,266
-Yeah, I’m with you.
-Okay.

595
00:21:44,667 --> 00:21:46,200
Court is back in session.

596
00:21:46,266 --> 00:21:47,934
Parties are reminded
you’re still under oath.

597
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,100
Thank you, Byrd.

598
00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:51,533
Well, it was quite
an interesting deliberation.

599
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,834
We have one dissent.

600
00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:56,500
Judge Levy would have preferred

601
00:21:56,567 --> 00:22:01,934
if we would have dismissed
this case without prejudice.

602
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,967
He would have then recommended
that you, Mr. Ten-Eyck,

603
00:22:05,033 --> 00:22:07,200
go to the police department

604
00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:10,200
and file a criminal complaint
against the defendant.

605
00:22:10,266 --> 00:22:12,367
And unless and until
you did that,

606
00:22:12,433 --> 00:22:16,033
you were not gonna
get a decision in this case.

607
00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:17,133
You would have had
to come back again

608
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,400
and reopen the case,

609
00:22:19,467 --> 00:22:21,900
and at that point,
rendered a verdict.

610
00:22:21,967 --> 00:22:24,166
However, Judge Acker and I,

611
00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:26,900
we don’t feel that we’re
in a position to do that.

612
00:22:26,967 --> 00:22:29,100
So we are gonna render a verdict
in this case,

613
00:22:29,166 --> 00:22:31,200
and we are the majority opinion
at this point.

614
00:22:31,266 --> 00:22:34,433
Sir, what you did was criminal.

615
00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:37,233
Maybe on multiple levels.

616
00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:40,867
We don’t know how you came into
possession of that motorcycle.

617
00:22:40,934 --> 00:22:43,266
There’s a bank
with a lien on it.

618
00:22:43,333 --> 00:22:46,900
There is another individual
with title to it.

619
00:22:46,967 --> 00:22:49,100
You do not own this bike.

620
00:22:49,166 --> 00:22:51,400
You fraudulently accepted
his money,

621
00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:55,200
and the recommendation
that we would make, sir,

622
00:22:55,266 --> 00:22:56,834
is that you go
to the police department

623
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:58,266
and/or the district attorney

624
00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:00,433
and file a formal
criminal complaint.

625
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:01,967
If you feel that way,

626
00:23:02,033 --> 00:23:03,500
that’s something you can
and should do.

627
00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:05,066
The real thing here is,

628
00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:06,500
you gave him money
under false pretenses,

629
00:23:06,567 --> 00:23:08,533
that he owned this bike,
that you could buy this bike,

630
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:09,900
that you could drive this bike.

631
00:23:09,967 --> 00:23:11,033
And you can’t.

632
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,433
You can’t even
register the bike.

633
00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:14,533
So we have unanimously agreed

634
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,900
that the verdict
is in your favor

635
00:23:15,967 --> 00:23:17,200
for the $6,000.

636
00:23:17,266 --> 00:23:18,900
-Not unanimous.
-I’m sorry.

637
00:23:18,967 --> 00:23:21,333
-Well, this "unanimy."
-[both laugh]

638
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,600
The women agree.

639
00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:24,400
The women of Tribunal.

640
00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:26,300
The women of Tribunal
have agreed

641
00:23:26,367 --> 00:23:29,066
that you are entitled

642
00:23:29,133 --> 00:23:32,400
to your $6,050
from the defendant,

643
00:23:32,467 --> 00:23:34,100
that it needs
to be returned to you.

644
00:23:34,166 --> 00:23:35,333
Now, that doesn’t mean
you keep the bike.

645
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,633
The bike is going
to go back to you.

646
00:23:38,700 --> 00:23:40,166
It’s now yours,

647
00:23:40,233 --> 00:23:41,633
and everything criminal
attached to it.

648
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:44,133
And you can either take

649
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,100
your high school/college
relative friends

650
00:23:46,166 --> 00:23:48,467
and work it out with them
or the bank,

651
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:50,166
or you could get pulled over
by the police

652
00:23:50,233 --> 00:23:53,834
and end up of your own volition
going to prison.

653
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,100
So, that’s the verdict
of this court.

654
00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:58,100
-Judgment in your favor.
-Thank you.

655
00:23:58,166 --> 00:23:59,700
-[gavel bangs]
-[Byrd] This case is concluded.

656
00:23:59,767 --> 00:24:03,000
Parties are excused.
You may ride out.

657
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,333
It is registered--
Or, it’s not registered to me,

658
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,033
but it’s cosigned and it’s under
my credit, and under...

659
00:24:14,033 --> 00:24:15,166
Basically, it’s hers.

660
00:24:15,233 --> 00:24:17,767
You’re not supposed to lie.
Just don’t lie.

661
00:24:17,834 --> 00:24:19,066
Got to pay what I had to pay.

662
00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:22,166
Let’s learn everyone,
no more lies.

663
00:24:22,233 --> 00:24:24,200
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664
00:24:24,266 --> 00:24:27,133
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665
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,667
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