1 00:00:06,166 --> 00:00:09,166 She and her family caused damage to your home. 2 00:00:09,233 --> 00:00:10,467 Correct. 3 00:00:10,533 --> 00:00:13,266 [announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice. 4 00:00:13,333 --> 00:00:17,233 The child who has autism caused quite a bit of the damages there. 5 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:19,333 She was gonna take responsibility for that. 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,100 You said, "I'm gonna call the police. 7 00:00:21,166 --> 00:00:23,800 There's been a crime committed on my property." 8 00:00:23,867 --> 00:00:26,467 Like I feel like I have a high moral compass. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,066 Such a high moral compass. 10 00:00:29,133 --> 00:00:32,867 She could have been subject to 90 days in jail. 11 00:00:32,934 --> 00:00:35,333 I am glad you think it's funny. I do not. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,767 ["Flight of the Valkyries" plays] 13 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:02,266 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Excelsior, Minnesota. 14 00:01:03,133 --> 00:01:05,800 [Cassandra] Your Honor, this is case number 2067, 15 00:01:05,867 --> 00:01:08,767 Lundeen versus Sonmor-Wise. 16 00:01:08,834 --> 00:01:11,233 - Thank you so much, Cassandra. - You may be seated. 17 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:12,367 [Judge Levy] All right. 18 00:01:12,433 --> 00:01:15,033 Mr. and Mrs. Lundeen, according to your complaint, 19 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:17,433 you rented your home to the defendant. 20 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:21,600 You're suing her because she and her family caused extensive damage 21 00:01:21,667 --> 00:01:25,400 to your home and that's why you're suing her for $10,000. 22 00:01:25,467 --> 00:01:27,867 - And Ms. Sonmor-Wise. - Uh-hmm. 23 00:01:27,934 --> 00:01:30,633 [Judge Levy] You say that you rented the home for ten years. 24 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:33,600 You admit that the damage to the walls and the doors 25 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:36,033 that we're gonna see are your fault. 26 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:37,600 - Those are your kids'. - Correct. 27 00:01:37,667 --> 00:01:42,333 You say that prior to moving out, you offered to fix the damage, 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,633 but the plaintiffs told you, "Don't make any repairs. 29 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:46,767 We're gonna do a full remodel anyway. 30 00:01:46,834 --> 00:01:48,734 You doing repairs would be for naught." 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,233 And they asked you to assist them in filing a false police report 32 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:56,500 so that they could file a claim with their insurance company 33 00:01:56,567 --> 00:01:58,734 so they could get paid for damages in the home 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:00,900 that they were not otherwise entitled to. 35 00:02:00,967 --> 00:02:05,700 You say that you refused and they filed the police report on their own 36 00:02:05,767 --> 00:02:09,500 and subsequently got a $25,000 check from their insurance company 37 00:02:09,567 --> 00:02:13,266 for the damage that they claim you and your kids caused. 38 00:02:13,333 --> 00:02:15,567 - Correct. - And they're suing you on top of that 39 00:02:15,633 --> 00:02:19,400 for an extra 10,000 and you say it's absolutely outrageous, 40 00:02:19,466 --> 00:02:22,066 which leads to your counterclaim, because in Minnesota, 41 00:02:22,133 --> 00:02:24,166 where all of you are from, there's a law 42 00:02:24,233 --> 00:02:26,767 that when a tenant vacates a premises, 43 00:02:26,834 --> 00:02:30,600 then the landlords must provide within three weeks of moving out 44 00:02:30,667 --> 00:02:34,567 an itemized list of everything that they claim was damaged 45 00:02:34,633 --> 00:02:39,300 and they must not take out any of the security deposit before doing so. 46 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:43,800 And the total of your counterclaim is $2,400 for the deposit, 47 00:02:43,867 --> 00:02:48,367 250 for interest, and punitive damages of $500. 48 00:02:48,433 --> 00:02:50,400 - [Sarah] Correct. - [Judge Levy] So Mr. and Mrs. Lundeen, 49 00:02:50,466 --> 00:02:53,066 she's claiming you guys committed insurance fraud. 50 00:02:53,133 --> 00:02:58,033 So the first thing I wanna know is how much damage do you attribute 51 00:02:58,100 --> 00:03:00,767 just to her and her children? 52 00:03:00,834 --> 00:03:02,934 Essentially $30,000. 53 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,100 That's it? Just $30,000? 54 00:03:05,166 --> 00:03:09,967 - Less the $25,000 insurance, so $55,000. - [Judge Levy] I wanna know--I am not-- 55 00:03:10,033 --> 00:03:13,934 I wanna know an amount 'cause that's what she was entitled to when she moved out. 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,066 $30,000. 57 00:03:15,133 --> 00:03:16,266 [Judge Levy] That's not what your wife is saying. 58 00:03:16,333 --> 00:03:19,166 - You--your wife is saying it's $55,000. - Correct. 59 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:23,767 And if you would have attributed anything more than $55,000 to her, 60 00:03:23,834 --> 00:03:25,400 that would be a lie. 61 00:03:25,466 --> 00:03:26,966 - That's--yeah. - Sure. 62 00:03:27,033 --> 00:03:28,900 Great. Let's take a look at the complaint 63 00:03:28,966 --> 00:03:30,567 that you filed against her in court. 64 00:03:30,633 --> 00:03:32,066 Here's what you said. 65 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:34,734 The defendant and her family caused extensive, 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,834 massive damage to your property. 67 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:39,300 Some clearly intentional. 68 00:03:39,367 --> 00:03:43,934 The total damages were $81,165. 69 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,233 - Right? - That--yeah. 70 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:46,734 That was the total damage. So that's--yeah. 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,867 - That's our... - [Judge Levy] Total damage? 72 00:03:47,934 --> 00:03:49,200 See, but you also filed against her ex-husband 73 00:03:49,266 --> 00:03:50,700 - who were both on the lease, right? - [Lindsay] Correct. 74 00:03:50,767 --> 00:03:52,567 You made it much more clear in his complaint. 75 00:03:52,633 --> 00:03:54,266 He's not here. I'm gonna read it anyway. 76 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:56,800 Defendant and his family caused extensive damages 77 00:03:56,867 --> 00:04:00,934 to the property totaling $81,165. 78 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,300 Right off the bat, we know that you made prior statements 79 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:06,033 under oath that were not true. 80 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:07,734 We're gonna put those aside now. 81 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,266 The lease that you signed with the defendant 82 00:04:11,333 --> 00:04:14,300 and her ex-husband was when? 83 00:04:14,367 --> 00:04:15,667 May of 2012. 84 00:04:15,734 --> 00:04:16,867 - One-year lease? - [Chad] Yes. 85 00:04:16,934 --> 00:04:18,300 - Twelve hundred dollars a month? - [Chad] A month. 86 00:04:18,367 --> 00:04:20,065 [Judge Levy] Twelve hundred dollars security? 87 00:04:20,132 --> 00:04:23,300 And between 2012, rent was 1,200, 88 00:04:23,367 --> 00:04:26,400 and then in December of 2022, what was rent? 89 00:04:26,467 --> 00:04:27,533 - Fourteen hundred. - Fourteen hundred. 90 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,667 - [Judge Levy] Right? - [Sarah] Correct. Yes. 91 00:04:28,734 --> 00:04:30,867 [Judge Levy] Fourteen hundred. In the lease, paragraph four-- 92 00:04:30,934 --> 00:04:32,000 do you remember what it says? 93 00:04:32,066 --> 00:04:34,233 - [Chad] I'd have to look it up. - It says, "Security deposit. 94 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:37,133 Within 21 days after the tenancy ends, 95 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,834 landlord shall return the full security deposit with interest 96 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:44,266 or send a letter explaining what was withheld and why." 97 00:04:44,332 --> 00:04:45,400 - You got that? - Here it is. Yup. 98 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:47,867 We sent it on the 20th. 99 00:04:47,933 --> 00:04:51,332 And it's--actually, her response is on here too saying she received it. 100 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,867 - [Judge Levy] Yeah. No problem. - So we did it. 101 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:56,834 I--the countersuit seems silly 'cause it was done and there's our proof. 102 00:04:56,900 --> 00:04:58,633 [Judge Levy] Well, we're gonna see how silly that sounds. 103 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:01,233 According to your answer, you were prepared to pay those damages 104 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:04,233 or to fix those things until you were told not to. 105 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:05,867 - That's just your story. - Correct. 106 00:05:05,934 --> 00:05:09,000 Right? Do you admit or deny that you told her that? 107 00:05:09,066 --> 00:05:12,200 I told her do not waste your time spackling. 108 00:05:12,266 --> 00:05:13,700 - [Judge Levy] The holes? - The holes. 109 00:05:13,767 --> 00:05:14,967 - So they're... - The holes are like this big. 110 00:05:15,033 --> 00:05:16,300 [Judge Levy] You can--yeah. You can patch. 111 00:05:16,367 --> 00:05:18,467 - [Lindsay] Well, we... - Patch, spackle, sand. 112 00:05:18,533 --> 00:05:19,967 - I've done it before. - We can show you evidence 113 00:05:20,033 --> 00:05:22,867 of when she had done it that's horrible. 114 00:05:22,934 --> 00:05:24,500 - [Judge Levy] I get it. - So we were like, "Don't waste your time. 115 00:05:24,567 --> 00:05:25,633 We're gonna have to redo it anyway." 116 00:05:25,700 --> 00:05:26,934 [Chad] It needs to be professionally done is what my... 117 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,100 Okay. Ma'am, when you started in 2012 with the lease, 118 00:05:30,166 --> 00:05:31,767 how many children were living with you? 119 00:05:31,834 --> 00:05:32,967 [Sarah] Just one at the time. 120 00:05:33,033 --> 00:05:36,332 I was pregnant with my second when we moved in. 121 00:05:37,266 --> 00:05:43,233 Second child, the child who has autism was born in January of 2013. 122 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:47,133 He did cause quite a bit of the damages. 123 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,100 And did you know about her growing family 124 00:05:50,166 --> 00:05:53,100 and specifically her autistic son who lived in the home? 125 00:05:53,166 --> 00:05:54,533 - Uh-hmm. - Very minimally. 126 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:55,867 - [Judge Levy] Okay. But you knew? - Yup. 127 00:05:55,933 --> 00:05:57,166 [Judge Levy] Let's talk about the home. 128 00:05:57,233 --> 00:05:58,533 Could you describe it? 129 00:05:58,600 --> 00:05:59,967 [Lindsay] Well, I bought it. 130 00:06:00,100 --> 00:06:02,066 It was my home. I bought it in 2005. 131 00:06:02,133 --> 00:06:04,400 I was like a poor schoolteacher. 132 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:06,900 I worked three jobs in the summer to buy this home 133 00:06:06,967 --> 00:06:08,934 and it was like my pride and joy. 134 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,166 I painted every room myself, took amazing care of it. 135 00:06:13,233 --> 00:06:15,000 We got married in 2008. 136 00:06:15,066 --> 00:06:17,734 Chad also had a townhouse, so we decided at the time 137 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,266 to keep those two homes and rent them out. 138 00:06:20,332 --> 00:06:22,900 We had a few renters before Sarah in hers. 139 00:06:22,967 --> 00:06:24,700 We've had several in Chad's. 140 00:06:24,767 --> 00:06:28,867 But, unfortunately, we didn't have $55,000 in the bank to fix her damages 141 00:06:28,934 --> 00:06:30,367 so we ended up having to sell that one. 142 00:06:30,433 --> 00:06:33,900 Okay. And that's the number you're sticking with, $55,000, 143 00:06:33,967 --> 00:06:38,233 - solely attributable to her and her kids? - Yes, sir. 144 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:40,233 So if I understand you, you purchased a home 145 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,300 - in July of 2005, correct? - Yes, sir. Yup. 146 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:43,734 [Judge Levy] Remember what you paid for it? 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,867 Ooh. 148 00:06:44,933 --> 00:06:46,000 [Judge Levy] Hundred and seventy-eight thousand dollars. 149 00:06:46,066 --> 00:06:47,133 - Sounds about right? - That sounds about right? 150 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,332 - Yeah, that sounds about right. - [Judge Levy] Good. 151 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,467 - It was a town home, correct? - [Lindsay] Yes. 152 00:06:49,533 --> 00:06:51,332 When was it built? 2001? 153 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,467 - 2001. - 2001. Yeah. 154 00:06:52,533 --> 00:06:54,767 [Judge Levy] So you bought it in July of 2005. 155 00:06:54,834 --> 00:06:58,266 You put it on the market for sale after you did the full remodel, correct? 156 00:06:58,332 --> 00:06:59,400 Correct. Yup. 157 00:06:59,467 --> 00:07:03,867 And then it sold May 30th of 2023 for 305,000. 158 00:07:03,934 --> 00:07:06,233 So it was like $127,000 profit, 159 00:07:06,300 --> 00:07:08,100 - minus some closing cost. - Minus the $55,000 160 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:10,667 - we had to put [indistinct] a contractor. - Got it. 161 00:07:10,734 --> 00:07:11,867 - Yup. - Thank you, Judge Acker. 162 00:07:11,934 --> 00:07:15,000 [Judge Acker] Thank you. Let's take a look at exhibit five 163 00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:17,066 if we could, the hole in the wall. 164 00:07:17,133 --> 00:07:19,367 Is this damage that your little boy caused? 165 00:07:19,467 --> 00:07:20,867 Yes. 166 00:07:20,934 --> 00:07:23,266 The doorframe that was-- 167 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:26,934 he knew I had been to the store and bought stuff 168 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,700 for their Easter baskets. 169 00:07:28,767 --> 00:07:32,233 And when I was in the other room or downstairs doing something, 170 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:34,867 he took a knife to try to get-- 'cause I had locked the door. 171 00:07:34,933 --> 00:07:38,233 And he had chiseled away at the door to try to break into my room 172 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,166 to get Easter candy and stuff. 173 00:07:41,233 --> 00:07:46,133 And then, yes, the other holes are from him just throwing things, 174 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,332 hitting things. 175 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,933 Suffice it to say that had you been presented 176 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,667 with an itemized list of damages 177 00:07:54,734 --> 00:07:58,133 prior to the expiration of the statutory period, 178 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,433 you would have said let's come up with a reasonable plan 179 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:03,533 for correcting the damage that I caused. 180 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,433 Correct. And I still had never gotten that. 181 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:09,333 I mean, that's why we hold landlords to that standard. 182 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,433 Ms. Lundeen, you're waving something around. 183 00:08:11,500 --> 00:08:13,166 - What do you want me to see? - This is it right here. 184 00:08:13,233 --> 00:08:14,700 This is exactly what you're looking for. 185 00:08:14,767 --> 00:08:19,367 And it was sent on the 20th, exactly in the 21-day period. 186 00:08:19,433 --> 00:08:20,834 So you're welcome to take this. 187 00:08:20,900 --> 00:08:24,000 - Please. - [Sarah] Well, I first got a email 188 00:08:24,066 --> 00:08:30,033 that was titled renovation for $70,300. 189 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:31,934 [Chad] Well, if you look at the very bottom of that spreadsheet 190 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,332 - that's there... - Yes. Yes. 191 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,567 ... I think that, you know, 15 days into it, 192 00:08:35,633 --> 00:08:38,332 we were estimating that 23,000 of it would be... 193 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,165 - [Lindsay] Hers. - [Chad] ... her fee on that, correct? 194 00:08:40,232 --> 00:08:41,299 [Lindsay] Yup. If you look at right at the bottom--yup. 195 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,366 - We hired--had to hire a contractor... - [Judge Acker] Fair enough. 196 00:08:43,433 --> 00:08:45,400 - But... - ... and he wrote those numbers down. 197 00:08:45,467 --> 00:08:48,633 So it's your testimony that this was your receipt. 198 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:52,165 Yeah. And I went through that invoice and that estimate from the contractor 199 00:08:52,233 --> 00:08:55,934 and then said, "Okay, I believe that we were going to replace 200 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,000 that kitchen floor anyway 201 00:08:58,066 --> 00:09:00,867 and so we're gonna take this amount for that floor off." 202 00:09:00,934 --> 00:09:04,166 Let me ask the two of you a slightly different question. 203 00:09:04,233 --> 00:09:07,900 What do you think the role is of law enforcement? 204 00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:12,667 Well, my dad's also a judge, so I take the law very seriously. 205 00:09:12,734 --> 00:09:15,333 So her accusation-- this is the first that I'm hearing 206 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,900 that we apparently were attempting insurance fraud--is egregious. 207 00:09:19,967 --> 00:09:23,500 I would never, ever, ever take advantage of something like that. 208 00:09:23,567 --> 00:09:26,333 Like I feel like I have a high moral compass and that's... 209 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,467 [Judge Acker] Such a high moral compass that you would think it's appropriate 210 00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:33,834 to summon the police on a charge of criminal damage to property. 211 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:38,867 And so I actually looked up what that would translate to in your jurisdiction. 212 00:09:38,934 --> 00:09:43,000 At a minimum, she could have been subject to 90 days in jail... 213 00:09:43,066 --> 00:09:44,633 [Lindsay] Uh-hmm. They asked if we wanted to press charges. 214 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:48,433 ... because you wanted to make sure that you got some insurance money. 215 00:09:50,165 --> 00:09:52,767 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 216 00:09:52,834 --> 00:09:55,367 [Judge DiMango] You both come in here very presentable, 217 00:09:55,433 --> 00:09:58,100 formidable family history, et cetera, et cetera, 218 00:09:58,165 --> 00:10:01,033 but the whole picture here stinks. 219 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:03,000 [dramatic musical sting] 220 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,433 [theme music plays] 221 00:10:06,500 --> 00:10:08,667 [announcer] Landlords Chad and Lindsay Lundeen 222 00:10:08,734 --> 00:10:11,100 claims Sarah Sonmore-Wise and her family 223 00:10:11,166 --> 00:10:14,567 destroyed their rental home, requiring a complete renovation. 224 00:10:14,633 --> 00:10:17,600 But Sarah claims the Lundeens tried to lure her 225 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:20,367 into committing insurance fraud. 226 00:10:20,433 --> 00:10:22,600 [Judge Acker] You knew there was a little boy in there with disabilities 227 00:10:22,667 --> 00:10:26,934 and you knew that those disabilities were at least in part responsible 228 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,967 for why there was damage to the property. 229 00:10:29,033 --> 00:10:31,734 She knew that. She was gonna take responsibility for that. 230 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,500 But that wasn't good enough for you. 231 00:10:33,567 --> 00:10:36,533 You said, "I'm gonna call the police and I'm gonna suggest 232 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,734 that there's been a crime committed on my property." 233 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,633 I am glad you think it's funny. I do not. 234 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:43,400 - [Lindsay] I just think it's exaggerated. - I do not. 235 00:10:43,467 --> 00:10:45,133 - Our insurance asked us... - [Judge Acker] Well, you may say 236 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,233 it's an exaggeration but it is what you did. 237 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:50,000 Judge DiMango. 238 00:10:50,066 --> 00:10:54,800 In my entire criminal career on the bench in New York state, 239 00:10:54,867 --> 00:10:59,200 seeing vandalism, criminal mischiefs, whatever from soup to nuts, 240 00:10:59,266 --> 00:11:02,834 I have never seen a landlord come in and say, 241 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:05,900 "My tenant vandalized my home 242 00:11:05,967 --> 00:11:09,867 with her little boy who has autism, 243 00:11:09,934 --> 00:11:11,467 and these are things that he did." 244 00:11:11,533 --> 00:11:13,867 I just--I couldn't even conceive of that. 245 00:11:13,934 --> 00:11:16,000 - Can I speak to that? - [Judge DiMango] Okay. 246 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:18,734 [Chad] So I walk into our home. 247 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,967 Every ceiling, every wall, every door, every floor needs to be replaced. 248 00:11:23,033 --> 00:11:24,100 - [Judge DiMango] Let me pause. - Every appliance. 249 00:11:24,166 --> 00:11:26,467 [Judge DiMango] Let me pause. How many times did they paint your home 250 00:11:26,533 --> 00:11:29,066 - in the ten years you were living there? - Zero. 251 00:11:29,133 --> 00:11:32,200 How many times did they come and visit there to check your property? 252 00:11:32,266 --> 00:11:33,934 I think in the whole... 253 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,333 - [Judge DiMango] Ten years. - ... ten years, maybe four. 254 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,333 Interestingly also, in your papers, you tell her that, 255 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,600 "If we don't have to involve the court system,"-- 256 00:11:43,667 --> 00:11:45,867 it'll only get more expensive for you both. 257 00:11:45,934 --> 00:11:48,967 "And, again, that is not a road we want to go down." 258 00:11:49,033 --> 00:11:50,767 - Uh-hmm. - "But you should understand 259 00:11:50,834 --> 00:11:56,800 we have the knowledge, experience, and resources." 260 00:11:56,867 --> 00:11:58,734 - So you... - Meaning her father's a judge. 261 00:11:58,800 --> 00:11:59,867 [Judge DiMango] Yeah. 262 00:11:59,934 --> 00:12:01,967 And lead us to like what we need to do next. 263 00:12:02,033 --> 00:12:05,700 Did your dad lead you down to filing the insurance claim for vandalism? 264 00:12:05,767 --> 00:12:06,834 - [Lindsay] Can you speak to that? - Yeah. 265 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:08,133 So I'm trying to speak to that part of it. 266 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,667 So I walk in, I see all this damage. 267 00:12:10,734 --> 00:12:12,900 I say, "I think this may be an insurance claim." 268 00:12:12,967 --> 00:12:14,800 I have no idea. So I called the insurance company. 269 00:12:14,867 --> 00:12:17,500 They said the only way that would be is if it's vandalism, 270 00:12:17,567 --> 00:12:18,633 - so we would have... - Correct. 271 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:21,500 They mean somebody comes in from the streets and vandalizes your home. 272 00:12:21,567 --> 00:12:24,767 - You made it a criminal situation. - No. So they--so they said, 273 00:12:24,834 --> 00:12:25,934 - "We'll send out a claims adjuster." - When you call the police-- 274 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 do you think the police monitor civil court or criminal court? 275 00:12:29,066 --> 00:12:30,133 - [Lindsay] Criminal. - Criminal. 276 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,266 [Judge DiMango] Thank you. 277 00:12:31,333 --> 00:12:33,233 So if you're calling the police on someone, 278 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:36,900 you're calling them because you believe that they've engaged in criminal conduct. 279 00:12:36,967 --> 00:12:38,533 I mean, is that what your dad told you? 280 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,100 I can't believe your father would tell you that. 281 00:12:40,165 --> 00:12:41,900 - No. - Nope. He did not tell me that. 282 00:12:41,967 --> 00:12:43,367 [Judge DiMango] Now, I'm gonna tell you this. 283 00:12:43,433 --> 00:12:45,667 You both come in here very presentable, 284 00:12:45,734 --> 00:12:48,433 formidable family history, et cetera, et cetera, 285 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:51,567 but the whole picture here stinks. 286 00:12:52,433 --> 00:12:56,066 I'd love to see the video of what it looked like after you were done. 287 00:12:56,133 --> 00:12:57,867 Maybe you can tell us what we see. 288 00:12:59,033 --> 00:13:01,166 Okay. So we're going into your home. 289 00:13:01,233 --> 00:13:02,834 - Kitchen. - [Lindsay] Kitchen, yeah. 290 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,233 We had to redo that whole thing. 291 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:06,400 [Judge DiMango] Yeah. I'm sure you had to do it like that too. 292 00:13:06,467 --> 00:13:08,266 [Lindsay] [chuckles] So keep in mind, 293 00:13:08,333 --> 00:13:12,834 we are owning about 30 grand in upgrades in this... 294 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:14,200 - [Judge DiMango] I... - [Lindsay] ... because at the time... 295 00:13:14,266 --> 00:13:15,333 - [Chad] No. - [Lindsay] ... we didn't have the money 296 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,467 - to renovate it, so we knew we had to... - [Judge DiMango] I'm gonna say 297 00:13:16,533 --> 00:13:18,033 the kitchen alone is $30,000 in upgrades. 298 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:19,166 [Lindsay] So we knew we needed to upgrade. 299 00:13:19,233 --> 00:13:20,734 You took out every appliance that was in there. 300 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,867 Did you bring... 301 00:13:21,934 --> 00:13:23,600 Because they were dented and had locks on them. 302 00:13:23,667 --> 00:13:25,066 [Judge DiMango] She lived there for ten years... 303 00:13:25,133 --> 00:13:26,467 - She had... - ... with four kids... 304 00:13:26,533 --> 00:13:27,667 - [Lindsay] ... locks on them. - ... and you rented it 305 00:13:27,734 --> 00:13:28,934 before she moved in. 306 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,066 - And it was in great shape... - [Judge DiMango] And I haven't... 307 00:13:30,133 --> 00:13:32,266 - ... when she got in. - [Judge DiMango] Where's those pictures? 308 00:13:32,333 --> 00:13:36,066 Uh, I'd like to see them because I don't see them in my papers. 309 00:13:37,567 --> 00:13:38,700 - [Chad] Yeah. - Except we had to... 310 00:13:38,767 --> 00:13:40,867 I don't think I printed those. I think I just emailed them. 311 00:13:40,934 --> 00:13:44,567 And I am told that we are not in receipt of them nor have we ever received them. 312 00:13:44,633 --> 00:13:48,467 Of course that would be the true gauge of what indeed happened 313 00:13:48,533 --> 00:13:52,233 rather than a brand new home. 314 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:56,266 You just don't seem to get that tenants don't need to pay 315 00:13:56,333 --> 00:13:58,667 - for your new home to be sold... - [Lindsay] But like... 316 00:13:58,734 --> 00:13:59,967 [Judge DiMango] ... at a profit above what's asked. 317 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:01,233 [Lindsay] Agreed. A hundred percent agreed. 318 00:14:01,300 --> 00:14:02,667 [Chad] We're not asking them to. 319 00:14:02,734 --> 00:14:05,300 Right. So if you think that we're pulling an insurance scam here, 320 00:14:05,367 --> 00:14:07,033 - that's not the case. - And we--like, we had to... 321 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:08,367 - The damage to do this... - I know you're looking at me... 322 00:14:08,433 --> 00:14:09,867 - Got the bathroom... - ... so I--uh, Judge Levy--okay. 323 00:14:09,934 --> 00:14:12,667 [Lindsay] The bath alone is $11,000 right there. 324 00:14:12,734 --> 00:14:14,667 That is a hundred percent her-- 325 00:14:14,734 --> 00:14:17,233 has nothing to do with her child with autism. 326 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:19,700 I work with kids with autism, I'm a fourth grade teacher. 327 00:14:19,767 --> 00:14:22,433 Like, just because they have autism, I don't go, 328 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:25,400 "Well, you can totally ruin my classroom and make holes all over it." 329 00:14:25,467 --> 00:14:27,533 - That's not the way it works. - [Judge Levy] I got it. 330 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,066 I still hold them to a high standard, we work through it, we talk through it. 331 00:14:31,133 --> 00:14:35,133 So that bathroom alone where she--I don't know what happened, 332 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,567 must have let the tub overflow hundreds of times, 333 00:14:37,633 --> 00:14:41,600 that's $11,000 out of our own pocket not covered by insurance. 334 00:14:41,667 --> 00:14:42,767 [Judge Levy] Okay. I got that. 335 00:14:42,834 --> 00:14:47,133 And what your complaint says is that you had to file an insurance vandalism claim 336 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,000 for the seemingly intentional damage done to the property. 337 00:14:52,066 --> 00:14:53,934 Did you intentionally let the tub overflow 338 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,834 - hundreds of times? - [Sarah] No. 339 00:14:55,900 --> 00:14:58,033 Well, was there supervision of children in the tub then? 340 00:14:58,100 --> 00:14:59,165 Especially if you know one has special needs. 341 00:14:59,233 --> 00:15:00,533 Like how is it happening over and over again? 342 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,400 [Judge Levy] Hold on. 'Cause you know what we do have-- 343 00:15:02,467 --> 00:15:06,533 we have very detailed move-out lists, correct? 344 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,734 - Yeah. - It described the condition of the home 345 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,266 when you moved in 2012, you got a copy of that, 346 00:15:11,333 --> 00:15:12,700 - didn't you, ma'am? - [Sarah] Uh-hmm. 347 00:15:12,767 --> 00:15:16,066 [Judge Levy] According to the move-in sheet in 2012, 348 00:15:16,133 --> 00:15:18,567 the bathroom number two-- what's bathroom number two? 349 00:15:18,633 --> 00:15:19,700 - Basement. - Basement bathroom. 350 00:15:19,767 --> 00:15:23,500 Downstairs. What's poor finishing on boards and bathtub, what does that mean? 351 00:15:23,567 --> 00:15:27,767 The--whoever finished the tub was not really well professionally done. 352 00:15:27,834 --> 00:15:29,000 [Judge Levy] Right. And you know what happens 353 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,433 when someone doesn't professionally caulk a tub? 354 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:32,667 Why don't you tell me? 355 00:15:32,734 --> 00:15:34,800 - Water damage. - [Judge Levy] Water damage. 356 00:15:34,867 --> 00:15:36,600 - [Chad] Uh-hmm. - [Judge Levy] And the caulking was bad, 357 00:15:36,667 --> 00:15:38,000 it was leaking in the tub. 358 00:15:38,066 --> 00:15:40,467 You're trying to tag her for that, right? 359 00:15:40,533 --> 00:15:43,066 - [Chad] Yes, Your Honor. - [Judge Levy] I am going to now show you 360 00:15:43,133 --> 00:15:46,133 the list that you sent her in January of 2020. 361 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,133 The bottom of it says 23,633.50. 362 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,600 - Yes, sir. - And you have to understand, 363 00:15:50,667 --> 00:15:52,767 a lot of this is a guess and an estimate at this point 364 00:15:52,834 --> 00:15:55,300 because contractor hasn't spent any time in there to... 365 00:15:55,367 --> 00:15:56,600 - [Judge Levy] Yeah. - ... really detail it up. 366 00:15:56,667 --> 00:15:57,900 [Judge Levy] Yeah, that's the problem. 367 00:15:57,967 --> 00:16:00,367 You're giving her this and you're saying that, "This is the damage, 368 00:16:00,433 --> 00:16:03,700 I am now complying completely with the Minnesota statute." 369 00:16:03,767 --> 00:16:06,967 You just acknowledged that this was not a final figure. 370 00:16:07,033 --> 00:16:08,433 - Right. - That's the problem that she has 371 00:16:08,500 --> 00:16:12,000 which is why there's a good chance her counterclaim succeeds. 372 00:16:12,066 --> 00:16:13,700 I wanna go through this list. 373 00:16:13,767 --> 00:16:19,000 So wall damage repairs, stickers all that, was $7,740. 374 00:16:19,066 --> 00:16:22,500 The doors, the damage was $1,300. 375 00:16:22,567 --> 00:16:25,300 All the other flooring was $4,200. 376 00:16:25,367 --> 00:16:28,300 The upstairs bath was $3,900. 377 00:16:28,367 --> 00:16:30,934 That included the vanity, wood damage, 378 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,233 mold under sink, and floorboard damage, 379 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:36,433 when the shower insert will need replacing. 380 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:38,800 So you're charging her for a brand new shower 381 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:41,700 that's 22 years old and ceiling lights, 382 00:16:41,767 --> 00:16:44,467 fans with missing parts or damages, $300. 383 00:16:44,533 --> 00:16:47,800 All that equaled $23,633. 384 00:16:47,867 --> 00:16:52,233 And you put your claim in to the insurance company for $25,000. 385 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,934 $25,000 would've covered that totally, correct? 386 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,367 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Levy] Thank you. 387 00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:58,500 I have nothing further. 388 00:16:58,567 --> 00:17:00,800 [Judge Acker] Um, Ms. Sonmor-Wise... 389 00:17:00,867 --> 00:17:02,500 - [Sarah] Yes. - ... who is your witness, ma'am? 390 00:17:02,567 --> 00:17:04,165 This is my current husband. 391 00:17:04,233 --> 00:17:06,000 [Judge Acker] And what does he have to offer? 392 00:17:07,433 --> 00:17:10,032 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 393 00:17:10,099 --> 00:17:12,233 Yes, my son is a lot to handle. 394 00:17:12,300 --> 00:17:14,967 And even sometimes if I am right there with him, 395 00:17:15,032 --> 00:17:16,834 I can't wrap my body around him, 396 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:18,599 I can't put him in a straitjacket. 397 00:17:18,666 --> 00:17:20,200 [dramatic musical sting] 398 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:23,633 [theme music plays] 399 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:28,367 [announcer] Chad and Lindsay Lundeen want $10,000 from former tenant, 400 00:17:28,433 --> 00:17:33,800 Sarah Sonmor-Wise, claiming that her children left the rental home in shambles. 401 00:17:33,867 --> 00:17:38,633 But Sarah says the Lundeens want her to pay for an entire home renovation. 402 00:17:39,467 --> 00:17:40,900 [Judge Acker] Um, Ms. Sonmor-Wise... 403 00:17:40,967 --> 00:17:42,533 - [Sarah] Yes. - ... who is your witness, ma'am? 404 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,300 This is my current husband. 405 00:17:44,367 --> 00:17:46,133 [Judge Acker] And what does he have to offer? 406 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,934 He moved in, um, the--at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020 407 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,433 and really his testimony is that they never came to do 408 00:17:55,500 --> 00:17:57,900 - any inspections or any maintenance. - Sir, can you take the stand? 409 00:17:59,367 --> 00:18:01,033 Thank you for joining us. 410 00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:02,900 And can you identify yourself for the record, please? 411 00:18:02,967 --> 00:18:04,166 Uh, David Wise. 412 00:18:04,233 --> 00:18:07,800 And with respect to the property damage, what can you tell the court about that? 413 00:18:07,867 --> 00:18:12,633 Basically, um, he called the police right after the-- 414 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:15,133 or the December 30th walkthrough 415 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,500 and told the police not to contact Sarah at all. 416 00:18:19,567 --> 00:18:21,433 And then I got a hold of, like... 417 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,233 [Judge Acker] 'Cause they didn't wanna put her in jail. 418 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:25,900 Your intention was to have an insurance company take notice. 419 00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:29,633 And at that December 30 walkthrough, I gave her the heads-up saying, 420 00:18:29,700 --> 00:18:32,367 "As a part of any type of insurance claim here, 421 00:18:32,433 --> 00:18:34,133 a police report would have to be filed. 422 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,033 I want you to know that that may happen 423 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:38,200 so that you don't have all of a sudden your name is in some report." 424 00:18:38,266 --> 00:18:39,767 [Judge Acker] So you're not surprised by it, correct? 425 00:18:39,834 --> 00:18:41,166 - [Chad] Correct. - Before I go, 426 00:18:41,233 --> 00:18:44,367 I just think that you deserved an opportunity 427 00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:48,467 to clear up the record with respect to your supervision of your boy 428 00:18:48,533 --> 00:18:51,133 because you've been accused of negligent supervision. 429 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,367 So would you like to address that point? 430 00:18:53,433 --> 00:18:59,166 Yeah, I just wanted to say yes, my son is a lot to handle. 431 00:18:59,233 --> 00:19:03,200 I'm not on top of him 24 hours a day one-to-one. 432 00:19:03,266 --> 00:19:05,767 There might be times where I was changing a diaper 433 00:19:05,834 --> 00:19:08,066 and he would throw something down the stairs. 434 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:11,834 I'm not handcuffed right next to him. 435 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:15,200 And even sometimes if I am right there with him, I... 436 00:19:15,266 --> 00:19:18,166 - [Judge Acker] He's a lot to handle. - Yeah, I can't wrap my body around him, 437 00:19:18,233 --> 00:19:20,166 I can't put him in a straitjacket. 438 00:19:20,233 --> 00:19:22,433 It--it's not that I wasn't watching him. 439 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:23,633 - He just... - [Judge Acker] I understand. 440 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:25,867 - I understand. - He has escalated behaviors. 441 00:19:25,934 --> 00:19:28,467 I understand. I just thought you deserved an opportunity 442 00:19:28,533 --> 00:19:29,734 to answer the accusation. 443 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,233 I don't have anything further. 444 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:33,233 [Judge DiMango] That's it. We're gonna retire to deliberate. 445 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:35,433 - Thank you. - Court is now in recess. 446 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:36,767 Parties are excused. 447 00:19:36,834 --> 00:19:39,800 [dramatic musical sting] 448 00:19:40,633 --> 00:19:43,066 Listen, they're not bad people. 449 00:19:43,133 --> 00:19:45,433 Plaintiffs just figured they wanna get something for nothing, 450 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,533 and they wanted the insurance company to pay for something 451 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,367 that they quite frankly knew they weren't entitled to 452 00:19:50,433 --> 00:19:52,633 because it was not intentional damage. 453 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:55,300 And they got money from the insurance company that we now, 454 00:19:55,367 --> 00:19:57,400 I am convinced, were not entitled to. 455 00:19:57,467 --> 00:20:01,300 And they are still suing their ten-year long tenant 456 00:20:01,367 --> 00:20:05,300 who was for a period of time a single mother of four with an autistic child. 457 00:20:05,367 --> 00:20:06,934 I think it's outrageous. 458 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,633 And in order for the plaintiffs not to lose on the counterclaim, 459 00:20:09,700 --> 00:20:11,500 the defendant's counterclaim, they have to prove 460 00:20:11,567 --> 00:20:15,533 that they gave her that itemized list within 21 days. 461 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,467 They did. And that list that they gave her 462 00:20:18,533 --> 00:20:24,000 said there was $23,633.50 worth of damage. 463 00:20:24,066 --> 00:20:26,900 They got 25,000 from the insurance company, 464 00:20:26,967 --> 00:20:29,266 they get donut from the defendant. 465 00:20:29,333 --> 00:20:30,633 They don't get a windfall. 466 00:20:30,700 --> 00:20:32,967 As far as the defendant's counterclaim, 467 00:20:33,033 --> 00:20:35,533 she knew that she damaged the place and she was prepared to fix it, 468 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,066 and she would've fixed it and she was okay with losing her security. 469 00:20:39,133 --> 00:20:43,166 But once she saw 81,000, she gave them the middle finger and said, 470 00:20:43,233 --> 00:20:45,300 "Yeah, that's what I think about your 81,000 471 00:20:45,367 --> 00:20:46,767 and here's a counterclaim for you." 472 00:20:46,834 --> 00:20:47,934 I think we should dismiss that as well. 473 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,000 I am with you a hundred percent. 474 00:20:50,066 --> 00:20:53,233 She knows that she and her family damaged the property. 475 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,967 I think she was willing to take responsibility for that. 476 00:20:56,033 --> 00:20:59,066 They just didn't give her a reasonable basis with which to do so. 477 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:02,900 So I would dismiss her counterclaim and I would absolutely dismiss their case. 478 00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:05,500 And she--I agree. I don't think they're horrible people. 479 00:21:05,567 --> 00:21:07,967 I think they made a mistake in the way they pled this case 480 00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:12,166 and they just don't have the proof for it, and they've been paid, so I'm done. 481 00:21:12,233 --> 00:21:14,266 You know, they're not horrible people and that's what brings this 482 00:21:14,633 --> 00:21:17,066 and makes a different-- a civil case versus a criminal case. 483 00:21:17,133 --> 00:21:19,700 - [Judge Acker] Indeed. - What they did was they wanted to, 484 00:21:19,767 --> 00:21:24,533 I guess, minimize their cost and expenses to redo their home. 485 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,667 I think they did it illegally really. 486 00:21:26,734 --> 00:21:29,934 I don't think it was appropriate for them to have made a claim 487 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,300 with an insurance company. 488 00:21:31,367 --> 00:21:35,100 So I think, absolutely, their complaint has to be dismissed. 489 00:21:35,166 --> 00:21:37,266 They do have her security deposit. 490 00:21:37,333 --> 00:21:40,767 They never established above and beyond, and I'm willing to dismiss both. 491 00:21:40,834 --> 00:21:42,834 - All right. Unanimous. - Great. 492 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,900 [dramatic musical sting] 493 00:21:45,967 --> 00:21:48,066 Order. Court is back in session. 494 00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:50,367 All parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 495 00:21:50,433 --> 00:21:51,800 - Thank you, Cassandra. - You're welcome. 496 00:21:51,867 --> 00:21:54,734 All right. I'm gonna start with your counterclaim, Ms. Sonmor-Wise. 497 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,367 Let me see if I understand. 498 00:21:56,433 --> 00:21:58,834 You recognize that the damage was done to the house 499 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:01,100 - and that you were prepared to fix it? - Yes. 500 00:22:01,166 --> 00:22:04,734 And then, but for seeing that $81,000 figure 501 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,000 - that they're trying to tag you with... - Yes. 502 00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:10,834 ... that was a large contributing factor behind your decision 503 00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:12,934 to file that counterclaim? 504 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,600 - Uh, yeah, when... - [Judge Levy] Yeah. 505 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,667 - ... brought forth their claim. - [Judge Levy] Right. 506 00:22:16,734 --> 00:22:19,767 So now knowing that you were responsible for that damage, 507 00:22:19,834 --> 00:22:22,066 you would've paid for that damage, are you prepared to withdraw 508 00:22:22,133 --> 00:22:23,567 the counterclaim at this time? 509 00:22:24,533 --> 00:22:25,667 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] It's probably a good idea. 510 00:22:25,734 --> 00:22:27,166 - We're gonna dismiss it anyway. - Okay. 511 00:22:27,233 --> 00:22:28,333 But here's where we stand, 512 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,300 we're unanimous with respect to your complaint. 513 00:22:30,367 --> 00:22:32,567 You're not bad people, but I think in this case, 514 00:22:32,633 --> 00:22:34,734 you might have done somewhat of a little bad thing, 515 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,700 by not being completely upfront and honest with the insurance company, 516 00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:40,433 without wanting her to give a statement to the police, 517 00:22:40,767 --> 00:22:42,633 'cause that would've undermined the insurance claim. 518 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:44,433 She would've said it was accidental. 519 00:22:44,500 --> 00:22:46,233 But in filing that claim, 520 00:22:46,300 --> 00:22:51,200 you got $25,000 to get you started on your remodel. 521 00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:54,367 In order for you not to get tagged with that counterclaim, 522 00:22:54,433 --> 00:22:58,500 you must show us, and you did, that you gave her that itemized list 523 00:22:58,567 --> 00:23:00,533 within 21 days of moving out. 524 00:23:00,834 --> 00:23:04,033 That itemized list attributes to her damages 525 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:08,100 of $23,633.50. 526 00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:13,000 And because you got $25,000 from the insurance company, 527 00:23:13,066 --> 00:23:14,700 that covers all of her damage. 528 00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:18,734 So your counterclaim is dismissed and your complaint likewise is dismissed. 529 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,834 You got a beautiful home and you sold it for money. 530 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:22,233 Run all the way to the bank. 531 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:23,567 [gavel bangs] 532 00:23:23,633 --> 00:23:25,066 [Cassandra] This case has concluded. 533 00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:26,633 All parties are dismissed. 534 00:23:30,133 --> 00:23:32,700 I think it was fair, pretty common sense, 535 00:23:32,767 --> 00:23:36,900 um, that they were getting greedy and trying to get double paid. 536 00:23:36,967 --> 00:23:42,500 Well, I'm not lying when I say every door, every floor, every wall, every ceiling... 537 00:23:42,567 --> 00:23:43,767 - Window. - ... had to be replaced. 538 00:23:43,834 --> 00:23:45,834 It was obvious that they were getting greedy 539 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,133 and wanting me to pay for their renovations. 540 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,633 I worked really hard for that house 541 00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,667 and we wanted that to be an investment property 542 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:52,800 for our kids' college fund. 543 00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:54,900 I think they did want something for nothing. 544 00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:56,367 It was destroyed. 545 00:23:56,433 --> 00:23:58,633 [announcer] Did someone destroy your property? 546 00:23:58,700 --> 00:24:01,734 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 547 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,900 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice. 548 00:24:05,967 --> 00:24:08,967 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]