1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,433 You needed a car, and she's not paid you a dime? 2 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:10,567 Yup. 3 00:00:10,633 --> 00:00:13,400 Something to do with my check was messed up or something like that. 4 00:00:13,467 --> 00:00:15,633 Something happened where I wasn't able to send her money. 5 00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:16,867 I can't quite recall. 6 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:19,233 I tried to go back to our old messages but I didn't have them. 7 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:22,166 Red flag, red flag, red flag. 8 00:00:22,233 --> 00:00:24,533 You're full of it from all angles. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,934 [announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,400 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,367 [announcer] Today's case was filed in St. Francis, Minnesota. 12 00:00:52,433 --> 00:00:54,367 [Byrd] Your Honor, this is case number 2012 13 00:00:54,433 --> 00:00:57,433 on the calendar in the matter Olson versus Grampre. 14 00:00:57,500 --> 00:00:59,066 - Thank you, Byrd. - You're welcome, Judge. 15 00:00:59,133 --> 00:01:01,533 Parties have been sworn in. You may be seated. 16 00:01:02,133 --> 00:01:04,599 [Judge Acker] Ms. Olson and Ms. Grampre. 17 00:01:04,667 --> 00:01:07,934 You've known each other since you were nine years old. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,033 And, Ms. Olson, when your husband passed away, 19 00:01:11,100 --> 00:01:12,233 you decided to sell his car. 20 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:14,333 It was a second car, you didn't need it. 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,867 - Yup. - You needed a car? 22 00:01:15,934 --> 00:01:16,934 Correct. 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,867 [Judge Acker] Ms. Olson, you decided to sell the car for $2,500, 24 00:01:20,934 --> 00:01:24,265 no money down, and she was supposed to make payments. 25 00:01:24,333 --> 00:01:26,867 She's now had the car for over seven months 26 00:01:26,934 --> 00:01:29,767 - and she's not paid you a dime? - Yes. 27 00:01:29,834 --> 00:01:32,467 [Judge Acker] So you are suing her for $2,500. 28 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:35,133 Ms. Grampre, your defense is that 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,633 the plaintiff hasn't cooperated with you 30 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:40,700 in order to do what's necessary to make the car drivable 31 00:01:40,767 --> 00:01:42,366 - and put it in your name? - Correct. 32 00:01:42,433 --> 00:01:44,265 [Judge Acker] As a consequence, if you drive the car, 33 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:46,700 you could get pulled over for driving a stolen vehicle, 34 00:01:46,767 --> 00:01:49,866 and you believe that you really can't pay her any money 35 00:01:49,934 --> 00:01:53,000 until she does what's necessary to perfect title in your name? 36 00:01:53,066 --> 00:01:54,066 Correct. 37 00:01:54,133 --> 00:01:55,834 Ms. Olson, when did your husband pass away? 38 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:57,467 Uh, June of 2022. 39 00:01:57,533 --> 00:01:59,667 - [Judge Acker] We're sorry for your loss. - Thank you. 40 00:01:59,734 --> 00:02:01,533 When did you decide to sell his car? 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,834 - On April of 2023. - [Judge Acker] April of-- 42 00:02:03,900 --> 00:02:07,300 and I note that you put your ad up on Facebook 43 00:02:07,367 --> 00:02:10,734 because you wanted to get as many potential buyers as possible. 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,300 May we see the ad, please? 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,734 This is the ad that you placed 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,867 for your late husband's 2002 Chevy Avalanche. 47 00:02:18,934 --> 00:02:19,934 [Jamie] Yes. 48 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,166 [Judge Acker] Not a bad looking-truck, 49 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,400 - very good condition. - [Jamie] Yes. 50 00:02:23,466 --> 00:02:26,567 So you responded almost immediately, didn't you, ma'am? 51 00:02:26,633 --> 00:02:29,200 I don't remember. I'm sure I did. 52 00:02:29,266 --> 00:02:31,767 [Judge Acker] And as I recall from the evidence, 53 00:02:31,834 --> 00:02:34,333 it was very important that you'd be able to make payments 54 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,533 because you weren't in a position to make a down payment. 55 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:37,867 - [Kelsey] Correct. - Why was that? 56 00:02:37,934 --> 00:02:40,433 'Cause I recently moved out to a town, 57 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,734 um, that is like--doesn't have any jobs nearby. 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,266 So I was taking care of my sick mother, she's dying, 59 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:48,233 and she needed more around-the-clock care. 60 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:51,100 Well, I have two kids, so I also had to move my kids with-- 61 00:02:51,166 --> 00:02:53,600 we had to get a new place big enough for all of us anyway. 62 00:02:53,667 --> 00:02:55,400 And so with the recent job loss 63 00:02:55,466 --> 00:02:57,400 and then having to move out to a town 64 00:02:57,466 --> 00:02:59,400 where anywhere I'd go would need a vehicle, 65 00:02:59,466 --> 00:03:01,967 so I wasn't able to get a second job at the time. 66 00:03:02,033 --> 00:03:04,667 So you needed a car and you didn't have funds for a down payment. 67 00:03:04,734 --> 00:03:06,600 - [Kelsey] Correct. - So it's a very, very big deal. 68 00:03:06,667 --> 00:03:08,467 I just want to establish that at the outset 69 00:03:08,533 --> 00:03:12,266 that your friend was allowing you to just make payments on the car. 70 00:03:12,333 --> 00:03:13,367 Correct. 71 00:03:13,433 --> 00:03:17,500 [Judge Acker] On the 25th, the day after the ad, 72 00:03:17,567 --> 00:03:21,466 you actually executed an agreement for these payments. 73 00:03:21,533 --> 00:03:22,900 May we see the agreement, please? 74 00:03:23,734 --> 00:03:24,867 There we go. 75 00:03:24,934 --> 00:03:27,033 "I, Jamie Olson, the plaintiff, 76 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:30,500 am agreeing to let Kelsey Grampre, the defendant, 77 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:34,966 purchase my 2002 Chevy Avalanche for $2,500. 78 00:03:35,033 --> 00:03:38,667 Kelsey has agreed to make payments bi-weekly 79 00:03:38,734 --> 00:03:41,433 towards this purchase until paid in full." 80 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:44,600 You were so excited about it that you didn't even need to inspect the car. 81 00:03:44,667 --> 00:03:47,834 You showed up, you take the car, you drive away. 82 00:03:47,900 --> 00:03:51,633 When, Ms. Grampre, were you going to make your first payment? 83 00:03:51,700 --> 00:03:56,233 So my first payment would've been, I believe, it was the following-- 84 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:58,200 like, two weeks after the time I had gotten the vehicle, 85 00:03:58,266 --> 00:03:59,533 - so I don't remember... - May 8th, correct? 86 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,166 [Kelsey] Yeah, so it would've been May 8th. 87 00:04:01,233 --> 00:04:02,934 [Judge Acker] What happened on May 8th? 88 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,367 Um, I don't really remember exactly. 89 00:04:05,433 --> 00:04:07,800 I know that she had reached out for the payment 90 00:04:07,867 --> 00:04:11,100 and I--something to do with my check was messed up or something like that. 91 00:04:11,166 --> 00:04:12,200 I can't quite recall. 92 00:04:12,266 --> 00:04:14,633 I tried to go back to our old messages but I didn't have them. 93 00:04:14,700 --> 00:04:18,767 Can we please put up plaintiff's exhibit one, the text exchange? 94 00:04:18,834 --> 00:04:23,100 So on May 3rd, there is a text message from the plaintiff. 95 00:04:23,166 --> 00:04:26,033 "Hey, were you gonna pay some today or tomorrow?" 96 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:28,867 And what do you say? I'd like you to read that. 97 00:04:28,934 --> 00:04:32,500 [Kelsey] Um, "Tomorrow, well, as soon as it hits my account. 98 00:04:32,567 --> 00:04:34,734 Could usually be at midnight, 99 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,066 um, but could be between now and whatever tomorrow." 100 00:04:38,133 --> 00:04:40,300 [Judge Acker] You do not do that. Why not? 101 00:04:40,367 --> 00:04:42,166 Like I said, I don't really remember exactly what happened. 102 00:04:42,233 --> 00:04:44,233 I know that I was trying to send it to her. 103 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:47,767 Um, something was happening with it not being able to be sent. 104 00:04:47,834 --> 00:04:50,967 But then right after the first payment was right when I got pulled over 105 00:04:51,033 --> 00:04:53,433 and I got told that I needed to get the... 106 00:04:53,500 --> 00:04:54,633 [Judge Acker] Right after what payment? 107 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:56,133 - 'Cause she hasn't received anything. - No, I know. 108 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,567 Not--I'm saying like right after that time had--I--she had asked-- 109 00:04:58,633 --> 00:05:00,400 I don't remember what happened with my first check. 110 00:05:00,467 --> 00:05:02,934 Something happened where I wasn't able to send her money. I don't... 111 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,800 [Judge Acker] Can we put up plaintiff's exhibit one, page 10? 112 00:05:05,867 --> 00:05:08,266 Tell us why you got pulled over while we're waiting for that. 113 00:05:08,333 --> 00:05:11,467 Um, he pulled us over because, um, the kids in the back, 114 00:05:11,533 --> 00:05:14,066 they--he said that they looked like they weren't seatbelted 115 00:05:14,133 --> 00:05:15,567 'cause they were dancing. 116 00:05:15,633 --> 00:05:17,266 - Good eyes, officer. - [Kelsey] Right. Right. 117 00:05:17,332 --> 00:05:19,734 I mean, they were, so--I mean, he apologized and stuff. 118 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,300 But then when he ran the, um, plates, 119 00:05:22,367 --> 00:05:26,867 he said that the vehicle was in, um, a deceased person's name, of course. 120 00:05:26,934 --> 00:05:29,467 And so when I had explained I had bought it from her 121 00:05:29,533 --> 00:05:31,667 and on which date, he--that's when he explained to me 122 00:05:31,734 --> 00:05:33,567 that he was gonna give me a warning this time 123 00:05:33,633 --> 00:05:35,332 but that I should've already had it transferred. 124 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,367 - The car wasn't in your name... - [Kelsey] Correct. 125 00:05:37,433 --> 00:05:39,200 ... because the car was still in her late husband's name. 126 00:05:39,266 --> 00:05:40,900 - Yes. Yup. - [Judge Acker] And this is when? 127 00:05:40,967 --> 00:05:42,700 Do you recall when you were pulled over? 128 00:05:42,767 --> 00:05:44,500 I don't know the exact date, nobody was... 129 00:05:44,567 --> 00:05:46,734 [Judge Acker] Two weeks after the sale, three weeks, a month? 130 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,433 It was--I mean, it was really early. 131 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:50,166 It was, you know, three weeks maybe. 132 00:05:50,233 --> 00:05:54,332 Right around the time when the plaintiff is telling you, 133 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,467 and can we put up plaintiff's exhibit one? 134 00:05:56,533 --> 00:05:57,533 - "Hey, I really..." - I need payment. 135 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,133 - [Judge Acker] "... could use the money." - Uh-hmm. 136 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,867 [Judge Acker] What do you do for a living, ma'am? 137 00:06:00,934 --> 00:06:02,700 Uh, I'm a supervisor of a group home 138 00:06:02,767 --> 00:06:04,967 and then I also manage an apartment building. 139 00:06:05,033 --> 00:06:06,467 I'm just gonna go out on a limb 140 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:09,600 and say that if you wanted to give the car away for free, 141 00:06:09,667 --> 00:06:12,066 you would've taken it to a homeless shelter... 142 00:06:12,133 --> 00:06:13,300 - Anywhere, yes. - [Judge Acker] ... or taken it somewhere 143 00:06:13,367 --> 00:06:14,500 - and donated it. - Yes. 144 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:16,667 - That is right, yeah. - So let me go back to you, Ms. Grampre, 145 00:06:16,734 --> 00:06:19,066 because what's confusing to me 146 00:06:19,133 --> 00:06:21,867 is that when I look at these text messages, 147 00:06:21,934 --> 00:06:23,800 it's several weeks now. 148 00:06:23,867 --> 00:06:25,934 And what do you say, Ms. Grampre? 149 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,767 You don't tell her, "I can't pay you 150 00:06:28,834 --> 00:06:31,300 until you sign these documents." 151 00:06:31,367 --> 00:06:33,800 You're actually offering to pay her in full, aren't you? 152 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:34,867 [Kelsey] Right. 153 00:06:34,933 --> 00:06:36,400 [Judge Acker] Now why at this point 154 00:06:36,467 --> 00:06:40,500 are you not making more of an issue of what is your key defense? 155 00:06:40,567 --> 00:06:43,600 Your key defense says the car is undrivable. 156 00:06:43,667 --> 00:06:48,233 "I am subject and exposed to being pulled over by the police 157 00:06:48,300 --> 00:06:50,166 because you won't sign these papers." 158 00:06:50,233 --> 00:06:53,433 Instead of saying that, it seems to me that you're stringing her along. 159 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,500 Absolutely. So this must have not been-- 160 00:06:55,567 --> 00:06:56,933 so I must have got pulled over a little bit after this 161 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,667 'cause I have--I have not been able to reach out to her 162 00:06:59,734 --> 00:07:01,166 since I got pulled over. 163 00:07:01,233 --> 00:07:03,233 So if I was talking to her without saying anything, 164 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:05,433 that's because it hadn't happened yet. 165 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:08,700 Ms. Olson, you had advised us that at some point, 166 00:07:08,767 --> 00:07:12,100 I believe it was first in June, 167 00:07:12,166 --> 00:07:14,200 - you were contacted by law enforcement... - Yup. 168 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:15,266 [Judge Acker] ... regarding the vehicle 169 00:07:15,333 --> 00:07:16,600 that was now in the defendant's possession? 170 00:07:16,667 --> 00:07:18,934 Yes. Um, the police officer called 171 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,533 and he had said that he had video of someone in my vehicle 172 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,700 and wanted to know why it was in my name and not their name. 173 00:07:26,767 --> 00:07:29,233 Um, I told them who I had sold the truck to, 174 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:32,033 um, and he said that he would try and figure it out, 175 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:33,533 and I never heard back from that officer. 176 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,867 What was going on on June 30th, Ms. Grampre? 177 00:07:35,933 --> 00:07:37,500 Were the kids dancing in the back? 178 00:07:37,567 --> 00:07:38,633 - [Kelsey] No. I don't... - Like, what was happening? 179 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:40,767 - I don't know. I'm not sure. - [Judge Acker] Did you get pulled over? 180 00:07:42,367 --> 00:07:45,000 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 181 00:07:45,066 --> 00:07:46,667 Why did you not give the car back? 182 00:07:46,734 --> 00:07:48,066 I haven't talked to her since then. 183 00:07:48,133 --> 00:07:49,332 [Judge DiMango] She doesn't have your information. 184 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,400 [Kelsey] I tried to get a hold of her. I... 185 00:07:50,467 --> 00:07:51,734 How? How? How did you do that? Did you smoke... 186 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:52,867 On social media. 187 00:07:52,933 --> 00:07:54,200 - [Judge DiMango] You used Facebook? - Yes. 188 00:07:54,266 --> 00:07:55,266 Forgot how to type? 189 00:07:55,332 --> 00:07:56,800 [dramatic musical sting] 190 00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:00,667 [theme music plays] 191 00:08:00,734 --> 00:08:03,400 [announcer] Jamie Olson is suing childhood friend 192 00:08:03,467 --> 00:08:06,433 Kelsey Grampre for $2,500, 193 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:08,467 the agreed price for her truck. 194 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:10,967 Jamie says she never got a dime. 195 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:15,400 But Kelsey claims Jamie never gave her the proper paperwork. 196 00:08:15,467 --> 00:08:17,700 What was going on on June 30th, Ms. Grampre? 197 00:08:17,767 --> 00:08:19,300 Were the kids dancing in the back? 198 00:08:19,367 --> 00:08:20,400 - [Kelsey] No. I don't... - Like, what was happening? 199 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:22,533 - I don't know. I'm not sure. - [Judge Acker] Did you get pulled over? 200 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,133 I--not--I haven't got pulled-- except for the one time, 201 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,233 I've never been pulled over. 202 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:27,900 Do you have even the remotest recollection 203 00:08:27,967 --> 00:08:30,000 of when you were pulled over and first advised... 204 00:08:30,066 --> 00:08:31,367 - [Kelsey] I mean... - [Judge Acker] ... of the fact that these 205 00:08:31,433 --> 00:08:33,533 documents needed to be signed? 206 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,299 No, I've--I honestly don't remember at all. 207 00:08:36,366 --> 00:08:39,834 I guess it wasn't as significant of a date 208 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:41,332 to me at the time. 209 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,799 Um, but I know that it was after that-- 210 00:08:43,866 --> 00:08:46,066 like, you have so long to get the title transferred 211 00:08:46,133 --> 00:08:47,800 when you buy a vehicle, and I know that it was... 212 00:08:47,867 --> 00:08:49,800 By this point, you've had the car for weeks. 213 00:08:49,867 --> 00:08:50,867 - Right. - Weeks. 214 00:08:50,934 --> 00:08:53,133 In October, you've become aware 215 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,600 of another situation involving law enforcement. 216 00:08:55,667 --> 00:08:56,834 - [Jamie] Yes. - What was that? 217 00:08:56,900 --> 00:08:59,700 Um, I got another phone call from another police officer, 218 00:08:59,767 --> 00:09:04,533 um, stating that they had video of Kelsey or someone driving the vehicle, 219 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,000 um, doing a gas-and-go at a gas station, 220 00:09:08,066 --> 00:09:09,600 - yeah, and left. Yup. - Stealing gas? 221 00:09:09,667 --> 00:09:12,400 Were you involved in a gas-and-go incident in... 222 00:09:12,467 --> 00:09:14,600 Yes. Well, it wasn't a gas-and-go. 223 00:09:14,667 --> 00:09:17,500 So I had paid in-- 224 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:19,400 or I had went in and paid for a pop, 225 00:09:19,467 --> 00:09:20,734 and I guess I didn't pay for my gas. 226 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,834 And so he called me and I immediately went right back there and paid for it. 227 00:09:23,900 --> 00:09:25,100 - [Judge Acker] In her car? - [Kelsey] Yeah. 228 00:09:25,166 --> 00:09:27,700 [Judge Acker] Because initially, you said it was very early on 229 00:09:27,767 --> 00:09:29,200 - that you were pulled over... - [Kelsey] Uh-hmm. 230 00:09:29,266 --> 00:09:31,266 ... and you can't drive the car 231 00:09:31,333 --> 00:09:33,767 - because she won't sign these documents. - Right. 232 00:09:33,834 --> 00:09:35,800 Yet that was in April, then May. 233 00:09:35,867 --> 00:09:39,200 Now we're in October and you're driving her car, 234 00:09:39,266 --> 00:09:41,767 apparently not afraid of getting pulled over, 235 00:09:41,834 --> 00:09:44,400 - not having paid her a cent... - [Kelsey] Uh-hmm. 236 00:09:44,467 --> 00:09:46,367 [Judge Acker] ... and she's getting calls from law enforcement. 237 00:09:46,433 --> 00:09:48,500 - Right. - [Judge Acker] Very, very shady. 238 00:09:48,567 --> 00:09:50,433 - Judge DiMango? - [Judge DiMango] Scammer. 239 00:09:50,500 --> 00:09:51,500 That's what you are. 240 00:09:51,567 --> 00:09:54,367 Every word out of your mouth in here has begun with, 241 00:09:54,433 --> 00:09:55,834 "I don't know, I'm confused. 242 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:58,467 I don't know, I really don't remember exactly what. 243 00:09:58,533 --> 00:10:01,100 I know I went in and I paid for a pop. 244 00:10:01,166 --> 00:10:03,834 And then I left and didn't pay for the gas, 245 00:10:03,900 --> 00:10:06,600 and then I went back." You are so full of it. 246 00:10:06,667 --> 00:10:08,633 You're full of it from all angles. 247 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:11,300 You didn't even have the decency to give it back to her. 248 00:10:11,367 --> 00:10:12,367 I mean, I would've. 249 00:10:12,433 --> 00:10:13,667 [Judge DiMango] I mean, you didn't give her anything for it. 250 00:10:13,734 --> 00:10:15,567 It's not like you say, "Well, I'm not giving it back 251 00:10:15,633 --> 00:10:17,567 until she gives me back the money I gave her." 252 00:10:17,633 --> 00:10:21,700 I--you know, there's a couple of favorite things I have in the text messages. 253 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:23,200 "Oh, my God--" This is you. 254 00:10:23,266 --> 00:10:24,667 "Oh, my God, Jamie, 255 00:10:24,734 --> 00:10:27,100 you're literally saving my life right now 256 00:10:27,166 --> 00:10:29,200 by doing this for me for real." 257 00:10:29,967 --> 00:10:32,400 - Uh-hmm. Yes. - So much for life-saving. 258 00:10:32,467 --> 00:10:35,467 Right after that, you say, "Can I put off the first payment? 259 00:10:35,533 --> 00:10:38,300 I just made my son's first payment, I can't pay you." 260 00:10:38,367 --> 00:10:40,100 So not even the first payment. 261 00:10:40,165 --> 00:10:43,233 Red flag, red flag, red flag. 262 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:45,467 Yeah. Yeah. She was my friend all my life. 263 00:10:45,533 --> 00:10:46,767 I thought she was good for it. 264 00:10:46,834 --> 00:10:48,767 - [Judge DiMango] Is she your friend now? - [Jamie] No. 265 00:10:48,834 --> 00:10:50,567 [Judge DiMango] This is another one of my favorites. 266 00:10:50,633 --> 00:10:52,667 When you ask her, "How come you haven't paid me?" 267 00:10:52,734 --> 00:10:54,700 This is now May 4th. 268 00:10:54,767 --> 00:10:57,834 You write, "Oh, my God. No, no, don't be sorry. 269 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:59,300 I'm sorry." 270 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:02,166 Now, this is the true sign of a scammer. 271 00:11:02,233 --> 00:11:05,700 "I've always been paid Wednesday around midnight, 272 00:11:05,767 --> 00:11:07,800 - but I switched my bank." - [Jamie] Yup. 273 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:10,200 "This last time and technically 274 00:11:10,266 --> 00:11:13,667 - I don't usually get paid till Friday." - Yeah. 275 00:11:13,734 --> 00:11:18,033 [Judge DiMango] "So either the new bank isn't going to pay me early 276 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:23,700 like my last bank and I won't get it till tomorrow is what I'm assuming, 277 00:11:23,767 --> 00:11:27,934 but it's weird because I got emailed my pay stub 278 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,467 yesterday as if it would've been deposited. 279 00:11:31,533 --> 00:11:33,300 I'm so confused." 280 00:11:33,367 --> 00:11:35,500 What you're really saying to her is, 281 00:11:35,567 --> 00:11:37,200 "I hope you're confused." 282 00:11:37,266 --> 00:11:39,867 Because that's what scammers do. 283 00:11:39,934 --> 00:11:42,600 They BS their way around the truth 284 00:11:42,667 --> 00:11:45,433 with the hope that their sucker--sorry. 285 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:48,433 - Buys into their ridiculous scam. - True. True statement. 286 00:11:48,500 --> 00:11:50,333 What took you so long? 287 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,200 Uh, I thought she was gonna come around 288 00:11:52,266 --> 00:11:55,066 and then I couldn't get ahold of her. Um, she blocked me... 289 00:11:55,133 --> 00:11:56,133 [Judge DiMango] Do you know where she lived? 290 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,033 No, I don't. I just knew that she lived in Cokato. 291 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:02,400 I did not know where or if she was still there. 292 00:12:02,467 --> 00:12:05,667 Um, when the cops were calling, it was all different cities. 293 00:12:05,734 --> 00:12:08,567 Um, I never had her address. And that was it. 294 00:12:08,633 --> 00:12:11,333 Listen, I do know that when somebody passes away 295 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,700 and you get their vehicle, there are certain things you need to do. 296 00:12:13,767 --> 00:12:15,734 You need the letters testamentary, 297 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,467 you need the death certificate, you need those things. 298 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:19,066 It was in both of our names. So I was... 299 00:12:19,133 --> 00:12:22,000 But the bottom line is, why did you not give the car back? 300 00:12:22,066 --> 00:12:24,000 - Why? - I haven't talked to her since then. 301 00:12:24,066 --> 00:12:25,266 She doesn't have your information. 302 00:12:25,333 --> 00:12:26,333 [Kelsey] I tried to get a hold of her. I... 303 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:27,633 How? How? How did you do that? Did you send... 304 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:29,333 - [Kelsey] On social media. - ... smoke signals? 305 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,967 - You use Facebook? - Yes. 306 00:12:31,033 --> 00:12:32,266 Forgot how to type? 307 00:12:32,333 --> 00:12:33,767 No, I wasn't able to find her account. 308 00:12:33,834 --> 00:12:34,900 I couldn't find her account. 309 00:12:34,967 --> 00:12:36,800 [Judge DiMango] Oh. You're so confused, right? 310 00:12:36,867 --> 00:12:38,467 'Cause you couldn't find her account. 311 00:12:38,533 --> 00:12:43,266 I mean, I just love the blank expression on your face 312 00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:47,300 of, "I can't believe that she's thinking this of me. 313 00:12:47,367 --> 00:12:48,700 How dare she?" Right? 314 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:50,165 - It's not what I'm thinking. - [Judge DiMango] "How dare you." 315 00:12:50,233 --> 00:12:52,967 Actually, someone like you I don't wanna know what you're thinking. 316 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:55,834 Why did you lose touch with her, as a friend? 317 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,300 Uh, I don't know. We just kind of went our own separate ways. 318 00:12:58,367 --> 00:12:59,867 We were just living life and everything. 319 00:12:59,934 --> 00:13:01,333 [Judge DiMango] And for how many years was that? 320 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,233 Uh, probably like ten maybe. 321 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:05,934 Probably, I'm gonna tell you, the luckiest ten years of your life. 322 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,633 - [Jamie] Oh. Yeah. [laughs] - Judge Levy? 323 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:09,700 [Judge Levy] Thank you. 324 00:13:09,767 --> 00:13:13,834 Ms. Olson, Judge Acker asked you during her inquiry 325 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:17,266 about that June 30th call that you received from the police. 326 00:13:17,333 --> 00:13:19,200 - Yup. - You don't remember the details 327 00:13:19,266 --> 00:13:20,266 of what he said? 328 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:22,700 He wouldn't tell me, um, anything about it. 329 00:13:22,767 --> 00:13:25,000 Um, that first call that I received, 330 00:13:25,066 --> 00:13:27,800 he told me that they just had a video 331 00:13:27,867 --> 00:13:30,433 of someone driving the vehicle doing something illegal. 332 00:13:30,500 --> 00:13:33,200 And, Ms. Grampre, that wasn't you, right? 333 00:13:33,266 --> 00:13:35,033 No. I mean, I've never heard anything about it. 334 00:13:35,100 --> 00:13:38,500 Right, 'cause what you told Judge Acker, I wrote it down. 335 00:13:38,567 --> 00:13:41,400 Except for that one time 'cause your kids were jumping around, 336 00:13:41,467 --> 00:13:43,233 you had never been pulled over, that's what you said. 337 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:45,500 Correct. In that vehicle, yeah. No, I've never... 338 00:13:45,567 --> 00:13:47,300 [Judge Levy] No, no, no. You didn't say that vehicle. 339 00:13:47,367 --> 00:13:50,367 Oh. What do you mean? No, I've been pulled over in my life. 340 00:13:50,433 --> 00:13:51,433 - Sure. - [Judge Levy] Yeah. 341 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:53,100 - I'm sorry, I meant been that... - Yeah. Sure, you have. 342 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:55,133 - [Kelsey] ... I never been pulled over. - Sure, you have. 343 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,834 When was the time before April of 2023 344 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:02,300 that you got pulled over, and for what? 345 00:14:02,367 --> 00:14:04,700 [Kelsey] Um, I think it was for-- 346 00:14:04,767 --> 00:14:07,934 - oh, I--my old tabs tickets years prior. - [Judge Levy] No what? 347 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,600 No--or my expired tabs. I'm sorry. 348 00:14:09,667 --> 00:14:12,166 - [Judge Levy] Expired tabs? - [Kelsey] Yeah. 349 00:14:12,233 --> 00:14:14,066 - And how long prior to that? Was it... - [Kelsey] Years. 350 00:14:14,133 --> 00:14:16,934 ... before--it was way before like even COVID? 351 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,467 Oh, uh, actually, no. 352 00:14:18,533 --> 00:14:20,767 It was right when COVID had ended. 353 00:14:20,834 --> 00:14:22,700 So you're talking about 2021? 354 00:14:22,767 --> 00:14:24,233 The only time that I had been pulled over? 355 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:25,300 [Judge Levy] Yeah. 356 00:14:25,867 --> 00:14:28,500 Except for in the vehicle. 357 00:14:28,567 --> 00:14:29,967 [Judge Levy] And that was it. 358 00:14:30,033 --> 00:14:31,633 I just wanna make sure that I understand your testimony correct. 359 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:33,266 - [Kelsey] Yeah, I'm pretty sure. - Yeah. 360 00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:37,033 You know what the great state of Minnesota allows you to do? 361 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,200 - What's that? - [Judge Levy] For free? 362 00:14:38,266 --> 00:14:42,000 The great state of Minnesota for free allows you--anyone... 363 00:14:42,066 --> 00:14:43,734 - Uh-hmm. - ... to go on their website 364 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,000 and to find out whether someone's been arrested 365 00:14:47,066 --> 00:14:50,800 for driving with revoked suspended licenses. 366 00:14:50,867 --> 00:14:52,867 - You know that, don't you? - [Jamie] Yes, I looked it up. 367 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:54,266 [Judge Levy] You looked it up. Of course you did. 368 00:14:54,333 --> 00:14:55,800 - I sure did. - [Judge Levy] 'Cause you looked it up 369 00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:58,033 after you found out that your friend was scamming you. 370 00:14:58,100 --> 00:14:59,133 I looked it up. Yes, I did. 371 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,100 [Judge Levy] So, ma'am, notwithstanding, Ms. Grampre, 372 00:15:01,166 --> 00:15:02,967 your prior sworn testimony 373 00:15:03,033 --> 00:15:06,333 that the only time you ever got stopped was for tabs. 374 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,333 - Let's go through it. - Uh-hmm. 375 00:15:09,266 --> 00:15:11,834 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 376 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,700 You said something in your complaint about your friend over here 377 00:15:14,767 --> 00:15:17,200 when you lost touch with her was having some problems. 378 00:15:17,266 --> 00:15:18,800 What kind of problems was she having? 379 00:15:18,867 --> 00:15:20,667 I'm not exactly sure, uh, everything. 380 00:15:20,734 --> 00:15:22,767 [Judge Levy] Yeah, well, don't try to protect her now. 381 00:15:22,834 --> 00:15:24,033 - We're here. - [Jamie] No, no. 382 00:15:24,100 --> 00:15:25,533 [dramatic musical sting] 383 00:15:27,233 --> 00:15:29,033 [theme music plays] 384 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:33,433 [announcer] Jamie Olson sold her truck to childhood friend Kelsey Grampre. 385 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:35,266 But Jamie claims her friend skipped town 386 00:15:35,333 --> 00:15:38,767 and then used the truck to commit traffic violations 387 00:15:38,834 --> 00:15:40,867 and minor crimes. 388 00:15:40,934 --> 00:15:44,066 Notwithstanding, Ms. Grampre, your prior sworn testimony 389 00:15:44,133 --> 00:15:47,400 that the only time you ever got stopped was for tabs. 390 00:15:47,467 --> 00:15:49,000 - Let's go through it. - Uh-hmm. 391 00:15:49,066 --> 00:15:51,233 [Judge Levy] Hmm. I need my glasses. Let's see. 392 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:54,633 October 28, 2022, you were arrested 393 00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:56,133 and subsequently convicted. 394 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,667 You were driving with a revoked license 395 00:15:58,734 --> 00:16:01,767 and you failed to obey a lawful order of the police 396 00:16:01,834 --> 00:16:03,900 because you tried to hide from him 397 00:16:03,967 --> 00:16:05,500 when he was trying to track you down. 398 00:16:05,567 --> 00:16:06,734 So I've never been arrested. 399 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,934 - [Judge Levy] No, you were arrested. - I was not. 400 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000 [Judge Levy] Those were two misdemeanors. 401 00:16:09,066 --> 00:16:11,700 - Okay. - March 6th, 2023, 402 00:16:11,767 --> 00:16:14,500 in convicted revoked license. 403 00:16:14,567 --> 00:16:17,467 March 3rd, 2022, convicted again, 404 00:16:17,533 --> 00:16:19,734 driving with expired registration. 405 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,767 August, 2017, 406 00:16:21,834 --> 00:16:24,567 convicted driving with a suspended license, 407 00:16:24,633 --> 00:16:26,333 driving without insurance. 408 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,133 2017, convicted of driving with a suspended license. 409 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,200 So let me help... 410 00:16:31,266 --> 00:16:32,266 I don't know what that has to do with any of this, like... 411 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:33,500 [Judge Levy] Well, let me ask you this. 412 00:16:33,567 --> 00:16:34,734 Your whole defense is that, 413 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,767 "I couldn't register the car 414 00:16:36,834 --> 00:16:38,700 because it was in a dead guy's name." 415 00:16:38,767 --> 00:16:42,633 Despite the fact that the title was in both names. 416 00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:46,367 So no police officer said that it was in the name of a dead guy 417 00:16:46,433 --> 00:16:49,567 because this plaintiff, and she signed over the title, 418 00:16:49,633 --> 00:16:51,266 - and she's not dead. - No. 419 00:16:51,333 --> 00:16:53,600 [Judge Levy] The reason you couldn't register the vehicle 420 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:56,300 - was because your license is revoked. - [Kelsey] That's untrue. 421 00:16:56,367 --> 00:16:57,433 - That's the reason why you can't. - That's untrue. 422 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:58,567 - [Judge Levy] Of course it is. - That's untrue. 423 00:16:58,633 --> 00:17:01,700 You said something in your complaint about your friend over here 424 00:17:01,767 --> 00:17:04,233 when you lost touch with her was having some problems. 425 00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:05,867 What kind of problems was she having? 426 00:17:05,934 --> 00:17:07,834 Uh, I'm not exactly sure, uh, everything. 427 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:09,266 - [Judge Levy] Yeah, well... - Drugs maybe. 428 00:17:09,333 --> 00:17:10,333 - [Judge Levy] Drugs. - [Jamie] Could be drugs. 429 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,599 - [Judge Levy] It wasn't drugs maybe. - [Jamie] Could be something. 430 00:17:11,666 --> 00:17:12,834 You wrote it in your complaint. 431 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:14,333 Don't try to protect her now. 432 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,400 - We're here. -[Jamie] No, no. 433 00:17:15,467 --> 00:17:16,666 [laughs] 434 00:17:16,733 --> 00:17:18,300 No, I said in the past she had done drugs. 435 00:17:18,367 --> 00:17:19,532 [Judge Levy] In the past. 436 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:21,233 - And I said maybe that's... - In the past, what kind of drugs? 437 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:23,500 - Uh, I know she used to use meth. - [Judge Levy] Yeah. 438 00:17:23,567 --> 00:17:24,834 - Yeah. - [Judge Levy] Methamphetamine. 439 00:17:24,900 --> 00:17:26,233 - You're still using? - No. 440 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:27,767 What does it have to do with this? Like... 441 00:17:27,834 --> 00:17:29,867 [Judge Levy] Well, listen, I'm just going by what your friend put in... 442 00:17:29,934 --> 00:17:31,133 - [Jamie] Okay. I didn't put none of that. - ... what your former friend 443 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,467 - put in her complaint. - I've never heard of that before. 444 00:17:32,533 --> 00:17:34,867 [Judge Levy] You come in here and you blatantly lie to us. 445 00:17:34,934 --> 00:17:36,900 You still have your best friend's car 446 00:17:36,967 --> 00:17:39,667 despite the fact that she was, "Saving my life 447 00:17:39,734 --> 00:17:41,567 for giving me your car when no one else, 448 00:17:41,633 --> 00:17:42,934 would let me make payments." 449 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,734 Here's the problem with people like you. 450 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,133 You go through your whole life telling a bunch of BS to people 451 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,700 and no one confronts you with it. 452 00:17:49,767 --> 00:17:51,567 So because they don't confront you, you figure, 453 00:17:51,633 --> 00:17:52,967 "Oh, I must've gotten away with it. 454 00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:54,266 They must've believed me." 455 00:17:54,333 --> 00:17:56,767 Gives you confidence to come into a court 456 00:17:56,834 --> 00:17:58,266 and do the same thing. 457 00:17:58,333 --> 00:18:00,934 Problem is, we don't fall for that. 458 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,633 We don't. 459 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:03,867 I have nothing further. 460 00:18:03,934 --> 00:18:05,567 [Judge DiMango] We're gonna retire to deliberate this time. 461 00:18:05,633 --> 00:18:06,934 - Thank you, ladies. - [Jamie] Okay. 462 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,467 Court now stands in recess. 463 00:18:09,533 --> 00:18:11,166 Parties are excused. 464 00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:14,133 [dramatic musical sting] 465 00:18:14,967 --> 00:18:18,200 A clearer case I have not seen in a minute. 466 00:18:18,266 --> 00:18:20,100 This is very straightforward. 467 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:22,133 The plaintiff did a nice thing 468 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,934 and her "friend"-- I use the term very loosely-- 469 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,900 completely took advantage of her. 470 00:18:26,967 --> 00:18:29,033 This defense is not just silly, 471 00:18:29,100 --> 00:18:30,667 but it's inherently nonsensical. 472 00:18:30,734 --> 00:18:32,834 If you can't drive the car, give the car back. 473 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:37,266 Don't start using the car on your various capers around town. 474 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:40,600 It's a very clear $2,500 judgment in my view. 475 00:18:40,667 --> 00:18:41,667 [Judge DiMango] Totally agree with you. 476 00:18:41,734 --> 00:18:45,133 And I believe personally that she never had any intention 477 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,100 of paying for this car in the first instance, 478 00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:49,000 that's why immediately she said to her, 479 00:18:49,066 --> 00:18:51,300 "You're a lifesaver, but I can't make the first payment." 480 00:18:51,367 --> 00:18:53,734 And that's why she said, "No, no. You can keep the title in your name." 481 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,000 Because she didn't wanna be responsible for anything 482 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:58,633 that happened with it, and she knew if she left it with the plaintiff, 483 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:00,767 they'd have no way of tracing it to her. 484 00:19:00,834 --> 00:19:02,867 I mean, she just never had an intention of paying for it. 485 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:05,500 I'm a hundred percent onboard with you. 486 00:19:05,567 --> 00:19:07,934 I agree as far as the verdict is concerned. 487 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,333 Perhaps during your verdict, you may wanna tell the plaintiff 488 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,734 that that bill of sale that she prepared, it was good, 489 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,033 but it wasn't enough. 490 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:19,400 The problem is that when you turn over a vehicle to someone, 491 00:19:19,467 --> 00:19:21,900 uh, with the plates still on it. 492 00:19:21,967 --> 00:19:23,233 If the defendant would have parked it illegally 493 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:25,500 and racked up $10,000 worth of bills, 494 00:19:25,567 --> 00:19:27,333 - police are coming after the plaintiff. - Sure. 495 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,166 'Cause the car is still registered to the plaintiff. 496 00:19:29,233 --> 00:19:30,233 - Uh-hmm. - That's a great point. 497 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:33,633 That's why when you sell a car to someone, you must take the plates back 498 00:19:33,700 --> 00:19:36,700 because of defendants like this, exactly. 499 00:19:36,767 --> 00:19:38,734 But clearly the defendant owes the $2,500. 500 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,533 I just think the plaintiff got nothing for this car except calls from the police. 501 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,800 - Let's give this woman her money. - Okay. 502 00:19:45,867 --> 00:19:48,600 [dramatic musical sting] 503 00:19:48,667 --> 00:19:49,867 [Byrd] Court is back in session. 504 00:19:49,934 --> 00:19:51,734 Parties are reminded you're still under oath. 505 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,133 - Thank you, Byrd. - Uh-hmm. 506 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,266 We've deliberated and we've reached a unanimous verdict. 507 00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:59,900 Our decision will not come as a surprise to either of you. 508 00:19:59,967 --> 00:20:02,700 It is unanimously in favor of the plaintiff 509 00:20:02,767 --> 00:20:06,533 for the full amount requested of $2,500. 510 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,567 There are a couple of things that we want you and other folks in your situation, 511 00:20:10,633 --> 00:20:12,100 Ms. Olson, to be aware of. 512 00:20:12,166 --> 00:20:14,734 Judge Levy made a great point in chambers 513 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,166 that it's important to take off license plates for instance 514 00:20:18,233 --> 00:20:20,467 because you never know what might happen. 515 00:20:20,533 --> 00:20:23,300 So if something goes awry, it's not on you. 516 00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:26,033 Those are legal things that you should be wary of 517 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:28,567 when you are involved in these sorts of transactions. 518 00:20:28,633 --> 00:20:31,934 And, Ms. Grampre, I know you are upset now 519 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,467 and I know that this could not have been a pleasant experience for you. 520 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:38,900 But what I would urge you to do is to have a little empathy 521 00:20:38,967 --> 00:20:41,533 for the friend who helped you out 522 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,967 and ended up having to go to court, 523 00:20:44,033 --> 00:20:47,500 which frankly, it is hard, it is a pain. 524 00:20:47,567 --> 00:20:50,667 You forced a woman, after having lost her husband, 525 00:20:50,734 --> 00:20:53,133 you forced her to do this. 526 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,300 So frankly, your tears should be for what you put her through, 527 00:20:57,367 --> 00:21:00,300 not for however badly me and my colleagues made you feel today 528 00:21:00,367 --> 00:21:04,333 because all of this could have been avoided, including your embarrassment, 529 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,600 if you had just done what you were supposed to. 530 00:21:06,667 --> 00:21:09,700 You did a kind thing and we're happy that we could make you whole. 531 00:21:09,767 --> 00:21:12,200 Judgment in favor of the plaintiff for $2,500. 532 00:21:12,266 --> 00:21:13,400 - [Jamie] Thank you. - [gavel bangs] 533 00:21:13,467 --> 00:21:14,767 [Byrd] This case is now concluded. 534 00:21:14,834 --> 00:21:16,467 Parties are excused. 535 00:21:16,533 --> 00:21:20,000 [theme music plays] 536 00:21:20,066 --> 00:21:21,467 I wanted to pay her, so... 537 00:21:21,533 --> 00:21:23,667 Um, I figured that I was gonna win 538 00:21:23,734 --> 00:21:25,500 considering she pretty much stole my truck from me. 539 00:21:25,567 --> 00:21:28,600 I was just late making payments. I just couldn't afford it right away. 540 00:21:28,667 --> 00:21:31,333 She started blocking me on everything, ignored me on everything, 541 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,567 so I didn't know what she was doing. 542 00:21:32,633 --> 00:21:34,500 Yeah, I just hope I can get the friendship back. That's all. 543 00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:36,834 Probably not anytime soon, no. [laughs] 544 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:39,667 We went ten years without each other. I'm sure we can go another ten. 545 00:21:39,734 --> 00:21:41,567 [announcer] Have you been scammed? 546 00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:45,900 Let the majority rule in your favor on Tribunal Justice. 547 00:21:45,967 --> 00:21:48,300 Find us on social media. 548 00:21:48,367 --> 00:21:50,500 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]