1 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,200 You lent money to your mom to buy your brother a car. 2 00:00:10,266 --> 00:00:11,867 I intended to pay her back. 3 00:00:11,934 --> 00:00:14,300 You driving around in the car your sister paid for? 4 00:00:14,367 --> 00:00:16,633 - Yes. - Give the car back 5 00:00:16,700 --> 00:00:17,800 so she could get her money back. 6 00:00:17,867 --> 00:00:21,166 Then that defeat the whole purpose of getting the car. 7 00:00:21,233 --> 00:00:22,900 You can't do this anymore. 8 00:00:22,967 --> 00:00:24,166 You've gotta take care of yourself. 9 00:00:24,233 --> 00:00:27,200 [announcer] Now on Tribunal Justice. 10 00:00:27,266 --> 00:00:30,667 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 11 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:51,700 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Flint, Michigan. 12 00:00:51,767 --> 00:00:56,500 [Cassandra] Your Honor, this is case 2034, Eineder versus Land. 13 00:00:56,567 --> 00:00:58,133 All parties have been sworn in. 14 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:59,800 You may be seated. 15 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:02,100 - [Judge Levy] Thank you, Cassandra. - [Cassandra] Welcome. 16 00:01:02,166 --> 00:01:03,700 [Judge Levy] All right. Ms. Eineder, 17 00:01:03,767 --> 00:01:06,600 you are suing the defendant who happens to be your mom. 18 00:01:06,667 --> 00:01:08,133 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] You're suing her 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,967 because you made a series of three loans to her, 20 00:01:11,033 --> 00:01:15,066 she paid some of the money back, but she completely stopped paying, 21 00:01:15,133 --> 00:01:17,767 and therefore you're here suing her 22 00:01:17,834 --> 00:01:23,200 for the unpaid loans totaling $5,870. 23 00:01:23,265 --> 00:01:25,367 - Correct. - [Judge Levy] Ms. Land, 24 00:01:25,433 --> 00:01:28,867 you admit borrowing the money and not paying all of it back. 25 00:01:28,934 --> 00:01:31,800 And from what I could gather from your answer is that 26 00:01:31,867 --> 00:01:34,433 your daughter should've simply forgiven the loan 27 00:01:34,500 --> 00:01:37,265 and you don't know why she's making such a big deal of this. 28 00:01:37,333 --> 00:01:38,333 Right. 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,834 Ms. Eineder, how old are you? 30 00:01:39,900 --> 00:01:41,166 I'm 24. 31 00:01:41,233 --> 00:01:42,567 [Judge Levy] And, uh, do you go to school? 32 00:01:42,633 --> 00:01:44,500 I did go to school. I went for an MA. 33 00:01:44,567 --> 00:01:46,300 I'm looking for a job now. 34 00:01:46,366 --> 00:01:47,633 [Judge Levy] And what type of job? 35 00:01:47,700 --> 00:01:49,233 [Lexus] A medical assistant. 36 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:50,400 [Judge Levy] And how do you support yourself? 37 00:01:50,467 --> 00:01:52,433 I have, uh, SSI. 38 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:56,333 Besides SSI, uh, were you working any part-time jobs 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,366 over the last, say, two years? 40 00:01:58,433 --> 00:02:01,000 I was a valet parking at Covenant. 41 00:02:01,066 --> 00:02:03,667 And what were you making an hour? 42 00:02:03,734 --> 00:02:07,633 - I think 13 an hour, and then I had tips. - [Judge Levy] Okay. 43 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:08,934 Where do you currently live? 44 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,133 Are you living by yourself, you're living with anyone else? 45 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,000 I live by myself in Flint. 46 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:14,767 - [Judge Levy] Flint, Michigan? - Yes. 47 00:02:14,834 --> 00:02:15,900 [Judge Levy] Do you pay rent? 48 00:02:15,967 --> 00:02:17,800 Um, I do. I pay $200. 49 00:02:17,867 --> 00:02:18,867 - [Judge Levy] Okay. - For rent. 50 00:02:18,934 --> 00:02:20,266 - [Judge Levy] Do you have a car? - [Lexus] Yes. 51 00:02:20,333 --> 00:02:25,834 On my car, I pay 251.23, and then insurance is 135.08. 52 00:02:25,900 --> 00:02:28,400 Would it be fair to say that if I went through all your expenses, 53 00:02:28,466 --> 00:02:29,934 that you're the type of person 54 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,934 that would pretty much know exactly what they are each month, 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 - and that you keep up-to-date on those? - Yes. 56 00:02:35,066 --> 00:02:37,166 Okay. Now let's talk about, uh, 57 00:02:37,233 --> 00:02:39,433 - Ms. Eineder, those three loans. - [Lexus] Yes. 58 00:02:39,500 --> 00:02:40,934 [Judge Levy] Tell me about the first one. 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,233 - Tell me the date. - The first one was October 25th, 2021. 60 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:47,000 That was for a vehicle. 61 00:02:47,066 --> 00:02:48,900 [Judge Levy] Did she tell you who that vehicle was for? 62 00:02:48,966 --> 00:02:50,533 Yes, it was my brother. 63 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,200 [Judge Levy] Your older brother or younger brother? 64 00:02:52,266 --> 00:02:53,466 [Lexus] My younger brother. 65 00:02:53,533 --> 00:02:54,966 [Judge Levy] How many other siblings do you have 66 00:02:55,033 --> 00:02:56,800 besides your one younger brother? 67 00:02:56,867 --> 00:02:58,600 I have two others. 68 00:02:58,667 --> 00:03:00,300 And where do you fit in? 69 00:03:00,367 --> 00:03:01,767 [Lexus] I'm the second child. 70 00:03:01,834 --> 00:03:04,800 [Judge Levy] Okay. So she said that she needed to borrow money. 71 00:03:04,867 --> 00:03:05,934 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] How much? 72 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,033 Three thousand. 73 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:09,233 Where did you get that $3,000 from? 74 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:12,700 The 3,000 was from jobs prior before valet. 75 00:03:12,767 --> 00:03:17,500 How much of that $3,000 did your mom pay back? 76 00:03:17,567 --> 00:03:18,667 Seven hundred. 77 00:03:18,734 --> 00:03:20,200 - [Judge Levy] Is that correct? - Yes. 78 00:03:20,266 --> 00:03:22,333 [Judge Levy] The second loan, when was it? 79 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,266 That was November 7th of '22. 80 00:03:25,333 --> 00:03:27,033 [Judge Levy] And how much was that for? 81 00:03:27,100 --> 00:03:28,367 2,141. 82 00:03:28,433 --> 00:03:31,000 [Judge Levy] Without a note. I love your memory. 83 00:03:31,066 --> 00:03:33,066 Did she indicate what that was for? 84 00:03:33,133 --> 00:03:35,533 [Lexus] That was for my brother's needs in jail. 85 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,800 She said that he needed, like, food, clothes, stuff like that. 86 00:03:39,867 --> 00:03:41,466 - [Judge Levy] Like commissary? - Yes. 87 00:03:41,533 --> 00:03:43,734 Did she pay any money back from that loan? 88 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,066 Uh, 596 was the total. 89 00:03:46,133 --> 00:03:50,266 And were there any terms, conditions, regarding those two loans 90 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:51,333 that you just described? 91 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,233 In other words, was she paying you back 92 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:56,400 a certain amount every month, every week, 93 00:03:56,466 --> 00:04:01,266 every two weeks, or was it just when she got money, she gave you money? 94 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:04,300 I think it was when she had money, she'd give it to me. 95 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:06,700 It was like 100 or 150 or 200. 96 00:04:06,767 --> 00:04:08,734 It depended on what she had to give. 97 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,300 [Judge Levy] When was approximately the last time 98 00:04:11,367 --> 00:04:13,300 that she paid you any money back? 99 00:04:13,367 --> 00:04:16,466 Any money was given was December 1st of this year, 100 00:04:16,533 --> 00:04:18,000 - $20. - [Judge Levy] Okay. 101 00:04:18,065 --> 00:04:19,834 - Does that sound about right, too? - Yes. 102 00:04:19,899 --> 00:04:22,100 And then let's just go over that last debt. 103 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:23,567 Do you remember the date? 104 00:04:23,633 --> 00:04:25,433 June 8, '23, yes. 105 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:26,567 [Judge Levy] Okay. Can you tell us 106 00:04:26,633 --> 00:04:28,867 what your mom said she needed that money for? 107 00:04:28,934 --> 00:04:33,533 That money was for, uh, car insurance and fixing the vehicle. 108 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 All right. So to get into a little more detail then, 109 00:04:36,667 --> 00:04:40,233 the vehicle that your mom bought for your brother 110 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:43,400 in October of 2021 for $3,000 111 00:04:43,467 --> 00:04:45,867 had been sitting for a period of time 112 00:04:45,933 --> 00:04:47,900 - while he was in prison. - Yes. 113 00:04:47,967 --> 00:04:52,066 He got out of prison and the car needed some tune-up and stuff, right? 114 00:04:52,133 --> 00:04:53,700 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] It needed insurance. 115 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:55,367 - Correct. - We're not talking your car. 116 00:04:55,433 --> 00:04:58,300 We're talking the car that your brother who just got out of prison 117 00:04:58,367 --> 00:04:59,967 - needed, right? - [Lexus] Correct. 118 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:03,934 [Judge Levy] And so the 2,025 that your mom asked you 119 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,600 to borrow to repair and buy insurance, 120 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:08,600 the source of those funds? 121 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:10,567 That's when I took out a loan. 122 00:05:10,633 --> 00:05:12,333 It was a Greenlight loan, it was 2,000 123 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,767 and then I needed to put a $25 fee for the application. 124 00:05:15,834 --> 00:05:17,633 Because you had no more money. You had no more savings. 125 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:20,100 - [Lexus] Yes, correct. - [Judge Levy] It had all been depleted. 126 00:05:20,166 --> 00:05:21,200 Yes. 127 00:05:21,266 --> 00:05:23,567 [Judge Levy] And how much of that did your mom pay back? 128 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:25,800 The 2,025, I have not seen nothing. 129 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,600 [Judge Levy] Zero. And is that correct, Ms. Land? 130 00:05:28,667 --> 00:05:30,500 - I suppose. - [Judge Levy] And now, listen, 131 00:05:30,567 --> 00:05:33,700 in your defense, to the extent you got one, 132 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:36,332 is that you were hoping that your son 133 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,266 was gonna be making payments on this debt, 134 00:05:39,332 --> 00:05:42,400 and that you were going to be taking the money from your son, 135 00:05:42,467 --> 00:05:44,933 and giving it to your daughter, the plaintiff here, right? 136 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,000 Yes. 137 00:05:46,066 --> 00:05:50,767 Did it surprise you when your son didn't pay a nickel? 138 00:05:50,834 --> 00:05:52,900 - [Lyn] No. - [Judge Levy] Why not? 139 00:05:52,967 --> 00:05:55,433 It's hard to get a job after you're locked up. 140 00:05:55,500 --> 00:05:58,166 It's hard to get a job after you're locked up. 141 00:05:58,233 --> 00:05:59,734 That's true. That's true. 142 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,000 That's what an enabling mother would say, 143 00:06:02,066 --> 00:06:05,767 as opposed to a mother who's holding her son responsible 144 00:06:05,834 --> 00:06:07,467 because he's a grown man. 145 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,233 - How old is he? - [Lyn] Twenty-three. 146 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,734 - He's a grown man, right? - Yes. 147 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,066 [Judge Levy] So we're not talking about him becoming a police officer 148 00:06:14,133 --> 00:06:17,734 with a criminal history, becoming a lawyer where you gotta go 149 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,800 through a character and fitness committee, or a licensing. 150 00:06:20,867 --> 00:06:22,767 But landscaping work. 151 00:06:22,834 --> 00:06:23,934 Working in a restaurant. 152 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,600 Could've done that, right? 153 00:06:25,667 --> 00:06:27,033 - [Lyn] True. - [Judge Levy] Lots of jobs around. 154 00:06:27,100 --> 00:06:29,300 - Is he working right now? - [Lyn] No. 155 00:06:29,367 --> 00:06:31,934 [Judge Levy] He got out of prison June of this year? 156 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,834 Yes. But he had a violation. 157 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:34,900 [Judge Levy] He got--he got a violation of parole... 158 00:06:34,967 --> 00:06:36,633 - And went back in August. - [Judge Levy] ... or probation? 159 00:06:36,700 --> 00:06:39,800 - Probation. - So he failed to follow the terms 160 00:06:39,867 --> 00:06:42,300 and conditions that the judge imposed 161 00:06:42,367 --> 00:06:44,367 after he was convicted for what? 162 00:06:44,433 --> 00:06:45,633 Breaking into cars. 163 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:47,166 [Judge Levy] Breaking into cars. Hey. 164 00:06:47,233 --> 00:06:48,467 To the extent that there's something good about him, 165 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,332 he didn't kill anyone, right? 166 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,667 He was breaking into cars. 167 00:06:51,734 --> 00:06:53,600 Yeah, I'm not--I'm not condoning it. 168 00:06:53,667 --> 00:06:54,900 [Judge Levy] Of--I know you're not. 169 00:06:54,967 --> 00:06:58,700 But what my point is, is that he got out in June, June, July, 170 00:06:58,767 --> 00:07:01,533 August, September, October, November. 171 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:02,600 That's six months. 172 00:07:02,667 --> 00:07:06,367 He hasn't gotten a job, hasn't paid a nickel for the loans 173 00:07:06,433 --> 00:07:09,734 that his sister depleted her own savings. 174 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,266 What's wrong with your son? 175 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:12,533 What's wrong with him? 176 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,867 He has me for an enabling mother. 177 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:18,667 Listen, you would not have earned that title of mother 178 00:07:18,734 --> 00:07:19,900 if you didn't have a big heart. 179 00:07:19,967 --> 00:07:21,467 - She got a big heart? - [Lexus] Yes. 180 00:07:21,533 --> 00:07:23,033 - She does. - [Judge Levy] Is it too big? 181 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:24,934 - Yes. - [Judge Levy] You got a big heart. 182 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,233 Judge Acker. 183 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:30,934 [Judge Acker] Is it that big? Because I feel like 184 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,567 what I'm in the middle of right now 185 00:07:33,633 --> 00:07:36,467 is some horror story from the Middle Ages 186 00:07:36,533 --> 00:07:39,700 where the girls do all the work and the boys do what they want. 187 00:07:40,867 --> 00:07:43,600 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 188 00:07:43,667 --> 00:07:46,767 I could pay her back. It still wouldn't make her happy. 189 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:50,033 If your brother paid you back, would you be happy? 190 00:07:50,100 --> 00:07:51,600 [dramatic musical sting] 191 00:07:53,467 --> 00:07:55,200 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 192 00:07:55,266 --> 00:07:58,400 [announcer] Lexus Eineder is suing her mother, Lyn Land, 193 00:07:58,467 --> 00:08:02,200 for almost $6,000 in unpaid loans. 194 00:08:02,266 --> 00:08:04,800 But Lyn claims the loans were for Lexus' own brother, 195 00:08:04,867 --> 00:08:08,467 and that she should be more than willing to help out the family. 196 00:08:08,533 --> 00:08:12,033 I was concerned, Ms. Land, when I read your answer, 197 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:16,700 and I'm sure you love your son, I'm sure you have a big heart, 198 00:08:16,767 --> 00:08:19,400 but I'm not sure you understand 199 00:08:19,467 --> 00:08:22,800 the position in which you have put your daughter. 200 00:08:22,867 --> 00:08:25,233 And part of your answer is, 201 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:30,033 "As a mother, I spent my fair share of money on my daughter throughout the years, 202 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:33,866 and I believe this whole lawsuit is crazy." You don't believe that. 203 00:08:33,933 --> 00:08:37,165 I mean, I feel like I give my all to all of them. 204 00:08:37,232 --> 00:08:38,600 They should help back. 205 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:40,433 [Judge Acker] Wait, think about those words. 206 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,900 You give your all to all of them. 207 00:08:42,967 --> 00:08:44,934 I'm gonna take issue with that just based 208 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,767 on the little that we've seen of this record so far. 209 00:08:47,834 --> 00:08:52,834 She gives her all to your son, who can't seem to stay out of trouble. 210 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:58,200 You get in the middle of it, and you expect her to carry the burden. 211 00:08:58,266 --> 00:09:02,133 I also try to pay her back and give her money when I have it. 212 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,834 You may have intended to pay her back but she had to borrow money. 213 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:07,834 Uh, Ms. Eineder, did you pay it back? 214 00:09:07,900 --> 00:09:09,867 I'm in the process of paying it back. 215 00:09:09,934 --> 00:09:12,900 [Judge Acker] You are making payments on a loan 216 00:09:12,967 --> 00:09:15,367 so she could help your brother out. 217 00:09:15,433 --> 00:09:16,934 - [Lexus] Yes. - [Judge Acker] Ms. Eineder, 218 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,200 you mention that you receive SSI payment. 219 00:09:20,266 --> 00:09:22,867 - Is that for some disability? - Yes. 220 00:09:22,934 --> 00:09:24,800 [Judge Acker] May I ask the nature of your disability? 221 00:09:24,867 --> 00:09:26,367 Cognitive impairment. 222 00:09:26,433 --> 00:09:29,967 I note though that you have presented 223 00:09:30,033 --> 00:09:34,600 your case thus far with a remarkable degree of precision. 224 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:38,567 You should be proud of the fact that you keep track of your money 225 00:09:38,633 --> 00:09:40,767 because, you know what, you are way ahead of the game 226 00:09:40,834 --> 00:09:42,767 in terms of most people. 227 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:46,934 Ms. Land, I understand that your son is here via Chime? 228 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,100 I think so. 229 00:09:48,165 --> 00:09:50,834 [Judge Acker] May we hear from the defendant's witness? 230 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,900 Could you please state your name for the record? 231 00:09:53,967 --> 00:09:55,934 - Nathen. - [Judge Acker] Thank you, Nathen. 232 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,200 Uh, your mother has called you here as a witness. 233 00:09:59,266 --> 00:10:01,934 And as I'm sure you know, your sister's case 234 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,567 against your mother, is all about you. 235 00:10:04,633 --> 00:10:06,800 So let me point to your statement 236 00:10:06,867 --> 00:10:09,367 because before you appeared in court today, 237 00:10:09,433 --> 00:10:12,533 you swore out a statement, and I'm gonna read part of it. 238 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,567 This is by way of your explaining 239 00:10:14,633 --> 00:10:17,600 why you didn't go to your sister directly for the money. 240 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:20,500 You said, "I was concerned it would make her angry 241 00:10:20,567 --> 00:10:23,800 and I simply wanted to avoid conflict with her. 242 00:10:23,867 --> 00:10:27,300 And then now you can see what my mother is dealing with. 243 00:10:27,367 --> 00:10:29,667 Someone with a short fuse 244 00:10:29,734 --> 00:10:33,600 who wants everything given to her right now." 245 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:38,533 Now, sir, as somebody who's been the recipient of thousands of dollars, 246 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,333 and as someone who has not been able to find a way, it seems, 247 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,867 to pay any of that money back, how does she become the one 248 00:10:45,934 --> 00:10:48,433 with a short fuse who wants everything given to her? 249 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:50,633 Because I don't see anybody giving her anything. 250 00:10:51,266 --> 00:10:53,700 I feel like with me, 251 00:10:53,767 --> 00:10:57,700 no matter what I do, it doesn't make her really happy. 252 00:10:57,767 --> 00:11:02,834 So, I mean, I could pay her back. It still wouldn't make her happy. 253 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:05,834 If your brother paid you back, would you be happy? 254 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:07,066 - Yes, I'd be satisfied. - [Judge Acker] I think 255 00:11:07,133 --> 00:11:08,567 she'd be pretty darn happy. 256 00:11:08,633 --> 00:11:10,467 Why can't you get it together? 257 00:11:10,533 --> 00:11:12,033 What is your plan? 258 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:14,834 Is it to continue to have your sister support you? 259 00:11:14,900 --> 00:11:15,900 Uh, no, ma'am. 260 00:11:15,967 --> 00:11:17,367 I'm trying to start a business. 261 00:11:17,433 --> 00:11:19,433 I just had to save my money. 262 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,367 I'm in the process of trying to start my business, 263 00:11:22,433 --> 00:11:25,200 also trying to find a job. 264 00:11:25,266 --> 00:11:28,033 Now, in Saginaw, Michigan, 265 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:30,367 it's hard to get a job with felonies. 266 00:11:30,433 --> 00:11:33,266 In many jurisdictions, it's hard to get a job 267 00:11:33,333 --> 00:11:35,333 when you've got a felony conviction. 268 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,734 - Yeah. - But it does not mean it's impossible, 269 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,967 and it doesn't mean that you live off of your sister 270 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:42,667 who has her own burdens. 271 00:11:42,734 --> 00:11:45,200 She's got her own obligations. 272 00:11:45,266 --> 00:11:48,233 I think it's pretty atrocious to point the finger at her 273 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:52,734 who is dealing with disabilities, who's dealing with bank loans, 274 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,266 who is dealing with trying to get a job, 275 00:11:55,333 --> 00:11:57,533 while she also has to try to get the money back 276 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,467 that she loaned you to try to help you. 277 00:11:59,533 --> 00:12:01,633 So, what's your plan to pay her back? 278 00:12:02,233 --> 00:12:05,166 Uh, well, as I've said, um, when I find a job. 279 00:12:05,233 --> 00:12:07,767 I'm saving my own money to start my business 280 00:12:07,834 --> 00:12:09,734 as auto detailing, cleaning. 281 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,767 [Judge Acker] Ms. Eineder, I'm gonna turn the case over now to Judge DiMango. 282 00:12:12,834 --> 00:12:16,300 But I have to say this, you can't let other people compromise you 283 00:12:16,367 --> 00:12:18,567 and your ability to take care of yourself. 284 00:12:18,633 --> 00:12:21,333 So, good on you for being here and doing what you needed to do. 285 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,934 - Thank you. - [Judge Acker] Judge DiMango. 286 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,200 You're like a flower growing out of a yard with a bunch of weeds in it, really. 287 00:12:28,266 --> 00:12:30,000 Why do you do this with him? 288 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:31,934 Why do you take care of him? 289 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,066 - Why? - I think it's family generation 290 00:12:34,133 --> 00:12:35,233 after generation. 291 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:36,667 That's what I've seen. 292 00:12:36,734 --> 00:12:37,800 [Judge DiMango] Let me say something to you. 293 00:12:37,867 --> 00:12:40,467 You were arrested. I mean, they said it. 294 00:12:40,533 --> 00:12:43,066 But you tell me, what were you arrested for? 295 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:46,700 I was stealing cars and hanging out with the wrong people. 296 00:12:46,767 --> 00:12:49,567 Ah. It's a crime now hanging out with the wrong people? 297 00:12:49,633 --> 00:12:51,467 I mean, if you hang out with the wrong people 298 00:12:51,533 --> 00:12:53,100 and do the wrong things, yeah. 299 00:12:53,165 --> 00:12:54,467 [Judge DiMango] Yes, that's what you do. 300 00:12:54,533 --> 00:12:57,133 So, you were stealing cars 301 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:02,633 and your goal in life is to let people voluntarily give you their cars 302 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,133 so you could detail them? 303 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,700 That's exactly where I wanna give my car over to, some guy that steals them. 304 00:13:08,767 --> 00:13:12,100 Um, actually, I wasn't the one that stole the cars. 305 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:16,767 I'm just guilty by association of being there while the crime was being committed. 306 00:13:16,834 --> 00:13:19,300 I have no fingerprints inside the cars. 307 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:20,600 I was just there. 308 00:13:20,667 --> 00:13:23,834 [Judge DiMango] I love people who think they're lawyers. 309 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,233 Because your fingerprints weren't in the car 310 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:28,734 that you therefore did not aid and abet 311 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,000 and act in concert with people that were stealing cars. 312 00:13:32,066 --> 00:13:33,734 I mean, you didn't plead guilty to a crime 313 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,333 because you didn't think you did something wrong 314 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,165 just 'cause you were standing on the corner 315 00:13:38,233 --> 00:13:41,066 watching all the girls go by, right? 316 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:44,300 Well, if you understand how Saginaw works, um, 317 00:13:44,367 --> 00:13:47,934 I basically did take a plea just to get it done and over with. 318 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,400 You didn't have a lawyer? 319 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:52,600 Not on that case. I had--I had a court-appointed. 320 00:13:52,667 --> 00:13:53,667 [Judge DiMango] But that's a lawyer. 321 00:13:53,734 --> 00:13:56,934 You see, this is the malfunction in this family. 322 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,300 I was just standing there 323 00:13:58,367 --> 00:14:00,734 while somebody else put their fingerprints in the car. 324 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,033 I didn't have a really good lawyer. 325 00:14:03,100 --> 00:14:04,433 I can't get a job 326 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:07,200 because my sister doesn't wanna take care of the family. 327 00:14:07,266 --> 00:14:12,700 I mean, it's just one tragic person after another. 328 00:14:12,767 --> 00:14:17,200 How did you come out of this family the way you are? 329 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,266 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice... 330 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:22,834 I'm her stepfather, her ex-husband. 331 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:25,867 There's probably the reason why I'm the step now. 332 00:14:25,934 --> 00:14:27,767 Me and him can't even get along. 333 00:14:27,834 --> 00:14:28,967 [dramatic musical sting] 334 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,600 [theme music plays] 335 00:14:32,667 --> 00:14:35,767 [announcer] Lexus Eineder is suing her mother, Lyn Land, 336 00:14:35,834 --> 00:14:38,867 for almost $6,000 in unpaid loans. 337 00:14:38,934 --> 00:14:42,133 But Lyn claims the loans were for Lexus' own brother 338 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,700 and that she should be more than willing to help out the family. 339 00:14:45,767 --> 00:14:47,100 [Judge DiMango] You know what he said? 340 00:14:47,165 --> 00:14:50,266 "I know my mother still technically owes money to her, 341 00:14:50,333 --> 00:14:52,300 but I don't think she should pay it back." 342 00:14:52,367 --> 00:14:54,433 You don't think your mother should pay it back 343 00:14:54,500 --> 00:14:57,834 because families should help each other, right? 344 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:59,367 Families should help each other. 345 00:14:59,433 --> 00:15:00,900 Am I right about that? 346 00:15:00,967 --> 00:15:02,166 Yes, that is what I said. 347 00:15:02,233 --> 00:15:03,300 - All of my friends'... - [Judge DiMango] What do you do 348 00:15:03,367 --> 00:15:04,400 - to help this family? - ... families... 349 00:15:04,467 --> 00:15:05,467 - [Judge DiMango] Now... - ... do that. 350 00:15:05,533 --> 00:15:06,734 [Judge DiMango] ... what do you do-- I don't care about your friends. 351 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,433 What do you do to help this family besides be a loser? 352 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:11,600 What do you do? 353 00:15:11,667 --> 00:15:14,333 Giving them money here and there when they asked. 354 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,867 Did your brother give money over here and there? 355 00:15:16,934 --> 00:15:19,033 - I didn't ask anything. - [Judge DiMango] You didn't see it? 356 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:20,967 - No. - Sir, can I ask you something, please? 357 00:15:21,033 --> 00:15:24,000 Do you mind standing up next to the plaintiff and tell us who you are? 358 00:15:24,066 --> 00:15:25,533 Uh, my name is Dano Furgason. 359 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,500 I'm her stepfather, her ex-husband, his stepfather. 360 00:15:28,567 --> 00:15:30,233 [Judge DiMango] You're the stepfather and ex-husband of... 361 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:33,367 [Dano] There's probably the reason why I'm the step now. 362 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:35,066 - [Judge DiMango] Oh. - He came before me. 363 00:15:35,133 --> 00:15:36,133 [laughs] 364 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,100 In other words, this situation is what you're saying has 365 00:15:39,165 --> 00:15:42,900 - caused you to leave this whole family? - It's--yeah, there's a lotta... 366 00:15:42,967 --> 00:15:44,300 - [Judge DiMango] And-- - She is tough. 367 00:15:44,367 --> 00:15:45,367 [Judge DiMango] She's what? I didn't hear you. 368 00:15:45,433 --> 00:15:46,433 Tough. She's tough. 369 00:15:46,500 --> 00:15:49,165 You know, she might be tough, but she's 24 years old 370 00:15:49,233 --> 00:15:50,600 and she shouldn't have to be tough. 371 00:15:50,667 --> 00:15:51,734 [Dano] No, no, she don't need to be like that. 372 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,367 She shouldn't have to be supporting a loser brother 373 00:15:54,433 --> 00:15:56,200 and a mother who can't take control of her family. 374 00:15:56,266 --> 00:15:58,300 Nope. Me and him can't even get along. 375 00:15:58,367 --> 00:16:00,433 Well, I could see why you wouldn't get along with him. 376 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:01,700 - [Dano] Thank you. - There'd be no reason to wanna 377 00:16:01,767 --> 00:16:03,333 - get along with him. - Thank you. 378 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,667 So, is there anything that you wanna offer on behalf of... 379 00:16:05,734 --> 00:16:06,834 - [Dano] No. I mean, I was just... - ... your stepdaughter? 380 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:08,567 ... gonna let you know I was here. 381 00:16:08,633 --> 00:16:10,433 [Judge DiMango] You were there to see the money exchange? 382 00:16:10,500 --> 00:16:12,967 Just the one but not with the other. 383 00:16:13,033 --> 00:16:16,500 - Which one was it that you saw? - It was the, um, October... 384 00:16:16,567 --> 00:16:17,967 - [Judge DiMango] The October loan? - ... of 2021. 385 00:16:18,033 --> 00:16:19,900 So, that was the first loan for the automobile? 386 00:16:19,967 --> 00:16:21,367 - That was the $3,000? - [Dano] $3,000. 387 00:16:21,433 --> 00:16:22,467 Yes, it was. 388 00:16:22,533 --> 00:16:25,533 [Judge DiMango] I need to ask you, what would possess you as a mother 389 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,734 to take from the good child and give to him? 390 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,500 - What? - I intended to pay her back. 391 00:16:32,567 --> 00:16:33,934 - [Lexus] Can I just say something? - [Judge DiMango] Sure. 392 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,667 I just wanna say that she does what she does 393 00:16:35,734 --> 00:16:38,400 because she doesn't wanna see him struggle. 394 00:16:38,467 --> 00:16:41,233 Yeah, but as a parent, you need to know 395 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:46,066 that doing this kind of thing does not help somebody develop and grow. 396 00:16:46,133 --> 00:16:48,033 What it does is it enables them 397 00:16:48,100 --> 00:16:51,100 to stay in the mess that they're in and make excuses 398 00:16:51,165 --> 00:16:53,600 that they didn't have fingerprints in the car 399 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:58,000 and nobody "where he's from" ever has to do anything but plead guilty. 400 00:16:58,066 --> 00:16:59,200 That's absurd. 401 00:16:59,266 --> 00:17:01,467 To say it to us is absurd. 402 00:17:01,533 --> 00:17:04,367 And I wanna know from you, who's got this vehicle? 403 00:17:05,066 --> 00:17:06,066 He does. 404 00:17:06,133 --> 00:17:07,165 [Judge DiMango] He's driving around in it? 405 00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:09,567 You're driving around in the car your sister paid for? 406 00:17:09,633 --> 00:17:10,633 Yes. 407 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:12,800 [Judge DiMango] Well, why don't you do somethin' for your family 408 00:17:12,867 --> 00:17:15,032 and give the car back so that they could sell it 409 00:17:15,099 --> 00:17:16,400 and she could get her money back? 410 00:17:16,467 --> 00:17:19,700 Why don't you put your money or your car where your mouth is? 411 00:17:19,767 --> 00:17:21,834 And that would defeat the whole purpose 412 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:23,133 - of getting the car. - [Judge DiMango laughs] 413 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:24,200 Then how would I go around to go get a job? 414 00:17:24,266 --> 00:17:25,666 [Judge DiMango] I didn't hear what he just said. 415 00:17:25,733 --> 00:17:28,700 He said that would defeat the whole purpose of getting the car. 416 00:17:28,767 --> 00:17:30,467 [laughter] 417 00:17:30,533 --> 00:17:33,333 You're a loser who has taken from the only thing in your life 418 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,967 that has meant and done anything good for you. 419 00:17:36,033 --> 00:17:37,567 And you're never gonna be any different 420 00:17:37,633 --> 00:17:40,200 if your mother doesn't let you step up to the plate 421 00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:42,533 and put you in the place you're supposed to be in. 422 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,900 And you're never gonna have the love of any of your kids in the end. 423 00:17:45,967 --> 00:17:47,700 And I don't have any more questions. 424 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:49,033 [Judge Acker] Can I just say one little thing? 425 00:17:49,100 --> 00:17:50,133 [Judge DiMango] Yeah, yeah. 426 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,767 The other enabling that has to stop is yours. 427 00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:55,367 You can't do this anymore. 428 00:17:55,433 --> 00:17:59,266 People aren't looking out for you the way you would expect them to. 429 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:00,967 You've gotta take care of yourself. 430 00:18:01,033 --> 00:18:04,734 This is a great step, but see the pattern. 431 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,166 Don't repeat it. 432 00:18:06,233 --> 00:18:08,066 Look after yourself. You're doing a great job. 433 00:18:08,133 --> 00:18:09,133 [Lexus] Thank you. 434 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,567 And on that note, we're gonna retire to deliberate. 435 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:13,934 And, sir, you may resume your seat. Thank you. 436 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,500 [Cassandra] Court is now in recess. 437 00:18:15,567 --> 00:18:17,100 Parties may step out. 438 00:18:17,166 --> 00:18:20,033 [dramatic musical sting] 439 00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:24,900 All right. So, uh, clearly the plaintiff loaned the money to the mom, 440 00:18:24,967 --> 00:18:28,900 loaned her in total $7,166. 441 00:18:28,967 --> 00:18:32,367 The mom paid back $1,296 442 00:18:32,433 --> 00:18:35,200 which leaves the $5,870, 443 00:18:35,266 --> 00:18:37,400 which is what the plaintiff is suing her for. 444 00:18:37,467 --> 00:18:41,066 I should mention now that the evidence that the plaintiff did provide to us 445 00:18:41,133 --> 00:18:43,834 very clearly outlined the loans, 446 00:18:43,900 --> 00:18:46,834 the bank withdrawals, the repayments. 447 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:51,000 So, all of that was established by what I believe to be, uh, 448 00:18:51,066 --> 00:18:55,000 preponderance of the evidence with respect to those payments that were made by her 449 00:18:55,066 --> 00:18:57,767 and then the monies that were repaid by the mom. 450 00:18:57,834 --> 00:19:00,166 But, uh, there were no legal defenses. 451 00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,633 Not even close. 452 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,300 The defendant owes her daughter $5,870. 453 00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:07,934 The only defense I heard was 454 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,934 she's our family member and we need it, 455 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,100 so she should therefore take care of us, 456 00:19:12,166 --> 00:19:14,133 which of course, is not a legal defense. 457 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,967 I mean, my goodness. 458 00:19:16,033 --> 00:19:18,633 The amount she's suing for is the least she deserves. 459 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,400 I wish we could give her more simply for being such a jewel, but we can't. 460 00:19:22,467 --> 00:19:25,533 I would love to give her more as well, but don't forget to mention that 461 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,066 the defense is "not to bring each other to court for the sake of lawsuits" 462 00:19:29,133 --> 00:19:32,934 as though she doesn't, what, have a legal obligation to repay her? 463 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,734 Nobody seems to get it in that family, but it was clear that there was a loan. 464 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,700 It was clear that there was an agreement to repay, 465 00:19:38,767 --> 00:19:41,500 that she had reasonable basis to believe she could repay 466 00:19:41,567 --> 00:19:43,300 because she was making some payments. 467 00:19:43,367 --> 00:19:46,400 So, I think that she meets all the criteria for a valid 468 00:19:46,467 --> 00:19:50,066 enforceable contract three separate times for these loans and she gets it all. 469 00:19:50,133 --> 00:19:52,266 - Unanimous. All right. - Indeed. 470 00:19:52,333 --> 00:19:55,200 [dramatic musical sting] 471 00:19:55,266 --> 00:19:56,734 [Cassandra] Court is back in session. 472 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,000 All parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 473 00:19:59,066 --> 00:20:00,567 - [Judge Levy] Thank you, Cassandra. - [Cassandra] You're welcome. 474 00:20:00,633 --> 00:20:03,600 [Judge Levy] Ms. Eineder, you did a great job presenting your case. 475 00:20:03,667 --> 00:20:05,433 And there's nothing else that we could really suggest 476 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:07,967 that you could've done to make your case any stronger. 477 00:20:08,033 --> 00:20:10,734 You proved that you lent money to your mom, 478 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,533 how much she paid back and what she owes you. 479 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,967 And that's where you come up with your amount of $5,870 480 00:20:18,033 --> 00:20:19,266 that you're suing her for. 481 00:20:19,333 --> 00:20:21,500 And it's the unanimous verdict of the court 482 00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:22,934 that that's exactly what she's gonna give you. 483 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,567 - Thank you. - Thank you. 484 00:20:24,633 --> 00:20:25,867 This case has concluded. 485 00:20:25,934 --> 00:20:28,100 All parties are excused. 486 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:31,166 [theme music plays] 487 00:20:31,233 --> 00:20:34,667 I tried to do whatever I could for all of my kids 488 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:36,934 and I tried to pay back what I could when I can. 489 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,367 Give me what they could've gave me, even if it was $10, $5. 490 00:20:40,433 --> 00:20:42,867 Something is better than nothing, and I received nothing. 491 00:20:42,934 --> 00:20:44,300 I'm sorry. 492 00:20:44,367 --> 00:20:45,900 I still love her. I still adore her. 493 00:20:45,967 --> 00:20:47,500 She's my mother at the end of the day. 494 00:20:47,567 --> 00:20:50,767 I hope that now that everything is paid back 495 00:20:50,834 --> 00:20:52,600 or gonna be paid back that ... 496 00:20:54,433 --> 00:20:55,834 ... We can be a family again. 497 00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:57,200 No more loans. 498 00:20:57,266 --> 00:20:58,734 [announcer] Got family drama? 499 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,967 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 500 00:21:02,033 --> 00:21:06,300 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice. 501 00:21:06,367 --> 00:21:09,600 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]