1 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:07,533 He said he was going too fast, 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:08,667 tried to turn, 3 00:00:08,734 --> 00:00:11,033 - and crashed into our garage. - No, sir. 4 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:13,100 - You calling them a liar? - Right now, I am. 5 00:00:13,166 --> 00:00:15,433 [Judge Levy] You wanna teach your son a lesson? 6 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,967 Then the way you do that is to say, 7 00:00:17,033 --> 00:00:19,667 "When you mess up, you take responsibility for it." 8 00:00:19,734 --> 00:00:21,066 It was not that damaging. 9 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,367 [Judge Levy] You are an enabler. 10 00:00:23,433 --> 00:00:24,867 If you keep doing this, 11 00:00:24,934 --> 00:00:26,500 he's gonna have real problems. 12 00:00:26,567 --> 00:00:29,033 [announcer] Now, on Tribunal Justice. 13 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:32,500 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays] 14 00:00:50,467 --> 00:00:54,266 [announcer] Today's case was filed in Santa Ana, California. 15 00:00:54,333 --> 00:00:57,700 Your Honor, this is case number 2040 on the calendar 16 00:00:57,767 --> 00:01:00,667 in the matter of Caulder and Caulder versus Lagarde. 17 00:01:00,734 --> 00:01:02,000 [Judge Acker] Thank you, Byrd. 18 00:01:02,066 --> 00:01:04,633 [Byrd] Parties have been sworn in. You may be seated. 19 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:07,533 [Judge Acker] Mr. and Ms. Caulder, 20 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,967 June 16th was very eventful. 21 00:01:10,033 --> 00:01:12,200 It's the evening. It's around 7:00 p.m. 22 00:01:12,266 --> 00:01:14,700 You're at home minding your business. 23 00:01:14,767 --> 00:01:17,633 And then you hear something that sounds like a gunshot. 24 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:19,400 - Yes. - [Judge Acker] You go outside. 25 00:01:19,467 --> 00:01:21,734 You see the defendant's son, 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,100 Mr. William Burke, on the ground 27 00:01:24,166 --> 00:01:26,266 and there's an e-bike next to him, 28 00:01:26,333 --> 00:01:29,300 an electric bike, and a Nerf gun. 29 00:01:29,734 --> 00:01:33,367 You clearly see that there's damage to your garage. 30 00:01:33,433 --> 00:01:36,967 You asked young William for his mother's contact information. 31 00:01:37,033 --> 00:01:39,767 He says he doesn't have it, 32 00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:42,367 but another neighbor does in fact provide it for you. 33 00:01:42,433 --> 00:01:44,567 You get in touch with the defendant, Ms. Lagarde. 34 00:01:44,633 --> 00:01:46,233 She says, "I'll make it right." 35 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:47,734 She doesn't make it right, 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,767 and you are here now suing her for $1,200. 37 00:01:50,834 --> 00:01:54,500 Ms. Lagarde, your defense is that you don't believe you're liable 38 00:01:54,567 --> 00:01:57,934 because your son, William, was not the only one at fault. 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,133 As you put it, it just seems awful 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,333 that he's only coming after you 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,800 since there were other people involved in this incident. 42 00:02:05,867 --> 00:02:08,333 - I have your defense accurate? - Correct. Yes. 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,700 Sir, tell me what you hear on June 16th. 44 00:02:11,767 --> 00:02:14,066 I heard a large crash 45 00:02:14,133 --> 00:02:16,367 or--well, it did sound like a gunshot. 46 00:02:16,433 --> 00:02:17,433 We had just gotten home. 47 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:18,700 I shut my garage door. 48 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:21,467 I walked in the house and heard the sound. 49 00:02:21,533 --> 00:02:22,900 Ran back out. 50 00:02:22,967 --> 00:02:24,900 Waited for the garage door to open. 51 00:02:24,967 --> 00:02:27,800 Saw the defendant on the ground. 52 00:02:27,867 --> 00:02:30,300 - My first thought was... - Well, really, the defendant witness. 53 00:02:30,367 --> 00:02:32,266 - Hey, how old are you, William? - Uh, 14. 54 00:02:32,333 --> 00:02:33,734 [Judge Acker] He's a kid. He's not a defendant yet. 55 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,300 His mom is responsible for all his mistakes. 56 00:02:36,367 --> 00:02:38,567 - [Glenn] Okay. Well... - So he's just the witness. 57 00:02:38,633 --> 00:02:40,166 - Just a kid. - ... I saw William on the ground. 58 00:02:40,233 --> 00:02:42,867 Right after I went out there, my wife came in. 59 00:02:42,934 --> 00:02:44,967 We were most concerned about him at first 60 00:02:45,033 --> 00:02:46,967 because he was holding his chin, 61 00:02:47,033 --> 00:02:49,667 his face, so we wanted to make sure he was okay. 62 00:02:49,734 --> 00:02:52,166 So I asked him if he wanted ice-- 63 00:02:52,233 --> 00:02:55,066 an ice pack and I think he was a little embarrassed in front of his friends, 64 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:56,367 - so he said, "No, I'm okay." - [Judge Acker] How many other-- 65 00:02:56,433 --> 00:02:58,066 how many other kids did you see? 66 00:02:58,133 --> 00:03:00,066 [Debbie] There were four to five kids. 67 00:03:00,133 --> 00:03:03,533 I know there was one girl and the rest were boys. 68 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,333 Were the other kids on the ground? 69 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,667 Were they standing around? 70 00:03:07,734 --> 00:03:09,367 And how many bikes were involved? 71 00:03:09,433 --> 00:03:10,633 There was only one bike. 72 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,734 The rest of the kids were about two to three garage doors down. 73 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,667 It was in our alley, and they moved up... 74 00:03:15,734 --> 00:03:17,533 [Judge Acker] He was a little further away on the ground. 75 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,667 - Yeah. - Let's see the plaintiff's garage door. 76 00:03:21,233 --> 00:03:23,300 So, Mr. and Ms. Caulder, 77 00:03:23,367 --> 00:03:26,300 I see those indentations on the garage door. 78 00:03:26,367 --> 00:03:27,533 Those are from the accident? 79 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,600 - [Glenn] Yes, they are. - [Debbie] Uh-hmm. 80 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:31,734 [Judge Acker] Let's put up young William's chart 81 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,700 that shows his version of the incident. 82 00:03:34,767 --> 00:03:37,166 Why don't you describe for us 83 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:40,467 what you were doing when this accident took place? 84 00:03:41,867 --> 00:03:43,700 Me and a group of kids were hanging out 85 00:03:43,767 --> 00:03:48,300 and then there is like a little cut up like above there 86 00:03:48,367 --> 00:03:51,967 and I was coming around with another kid. 87 00:03:52,033 --> 00:03:54,600 And then as soon as I got here, I started to slow down. 88 00:03:54,667 --> 00:03:56,734 [Judge Acker] When you say coming around with another kid, on the bike? 89 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,500 No. He wasn't on the bike. He was running. 90 00:03:58,567 --> 00:03:59,533 He was running next to you 91 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,266 - while you were on the bike? - [William] Yeah. 92 00:04:01,333 --> 00:04:05,033 And then I came down to about right here 93 00:04:05,100 --> 00:04:08,000 and I slowed down 'cause that's where the other kids were. 94 00:04:08,066 --> 00:04:10,767 And then someone else jumped on the back 95 00:04:10,834 --> 00:04:13,367 and then it scared me and I pressed the throttle 96 00:04:13,433 --> 00:04:15,433 and then I couldn't slow down in time. 97 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:18,100 And then he jumped off right before I hit the garage. 98 00:04:18,166 --> 00:04:20,300 Did you have the Nerf gun in your hand while you were riding? 99 00:04:20,367 --> 00:04:21,734 No. He had it. 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,133 [Judge Acker] The other kid have the Nerf gun. 101 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,333 - Yeah. - You can go back to the stand. 102 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,300 When the plaintiffs asked you for your mother's information, 103 00:04:28,367 --> 00:04:29,467 what did you tell them? 104 00:04:29,533 --> 00:04:30,867 [William] She was at work. 105 00:04:30,934 --> 00:04:33,367 But I had just gotten a new phone 106 00:04:33,433 --> 00:04:35,166 and I--like that morning 107 00:04:35,233 --> 00:04:37,367 and I didn't even have it set up yet, 108 00:04:37,433 --> 00:04:39,700 and I had nobody's number 109 00:04:39,767 --> 00:04:41,033 - and I just created my Snap really. - [Judge Acker] Were you hurt? 110 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:42,100 Were you a little dazed? 111 00:04:42,166 --> 00:04:44,100 Did you feel okay after the accident? 112 00:04:44,166 --> 00:04:46,200 No, ma'am. A slight headache. That's it. 113 00:04:46,266 --> 00:04:48,500 I'm glad you're okay. Were you wearing a helmet? 114 00:04:48,567 --> 00:04:49,934 - [William] Yes, ma'am. - [Judge Acker] You sure? 115 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,100 - Yes, ma'am. - [Judge Acker] Okay. 116 00:04:51,166 --> 00:04:52,800 Now, Mr. and Ms. Caulder, 117 00:04:52,867 --> 00:04:56,333 how close was the Nerf gun 118 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,433 to William while he was on the ground? 119 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:00,633 - Maybe two feet. - [Judge Acker] Maybe two feet? 120 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:03,100 And I did end up taking a picture of him 121 00:05:03,166 --> 00:05:05,133 holding the Nerf gun after the accident 122 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,200 and there was the e-bike still laying on the ground. 123 00:05:08,266 --> 00:05:09,900 This is the picture you're referring to? 124 00:05:09,967 --> 00:05:10,967 - [Glenn] That is, yes. - [Debbie] Uh-hmm. 125 00:05:11,033 --> 00:05:12,367 Now, this picture took place 126 00:05:12,433 --> 00:05:14,200 - after the accident, yes? - It did, yes. 127 00:05:14,266 --> 00:05:15,600 [Judge Acker] So what are you trying to prove with this? 128 00:05:15,667 --> 00:05:19,066 I mean, he denies holding it before or during the accident, 129 00:05:19,133 --> 00:05:20,934 so why do we need to see it? 130 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,200 [Glenn] Just the fact that the neighborhood kid's explanation to us 131 00:05:25,266 --> 00:05:27,667 was, "No, he had a Nerf gun, he was going too fast, 132 00:05:27,734 --> 00:05:30,333 and he hit the corner and hit our garage door." 133 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,700 - [Judge Acker] I'm not taking it. - [Glenn] Okay. 134 00:05:31,767 --> 00:05:32,767 [Judge Acker] It's hearsay. 135 00:05:32,834 --> 00:05:36,166 You've got someone who they're pointing the finger at, 136 00:05:36,233 --> 00:05:37,867 who doesn't show up in court, 137 00:05:37,934 --> 00:05:40,567 and he says--he wants to point the finger at them 138 00:05:40,633 --> 00:05:41,834 from the safety of his home. 139 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:42,900 That's not how it works. 140 00:05:42,967 --> 00:05:44,533 If he had something of value to say, 141 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,200 he should have been here to say it. 142 00:05:46,266 --> 00:05:48,100 But here's my view. 143 00:05:48,166 --> 00:05:52,066 I feel that part of your resistance to their position 144 00:05:52,133 --> 00:05:56,800 seems to be based, at least in part, on your perception 145 00:05:56,867 --> 00:05:59,033 - that they weren't very kind to William. - Correct, yes. 146 00:05:59,100 --> 00:06:00,667 - [Judge Acker] Why did you think that? - [Marianne] Okay. 147 00:06:00,734 --> 00:06:04,300 So, initially, coming up on the scene, 148 00:06:04,367 --> 00:06:07,767 Mr. Caulder was very standoffish. 149 00:06:07,834 --> 00:06:10,033 And when I spoke to my son, 150 00:06:10,100 --> 00:06:12,867 the first thing that my son said when he came out 151 00:06:12,934 --> 00:06:14,266 when he heard the noise was, 152 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:15,333 "Who's gonna pay for this?" 153 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,033 Not, "Are you okay?" 154 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:19,667 She did when she came out. He was not. 155 00:06:19,734 --> 00:06:22,033 You know what? That's why men get married 156 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,400 so they can exercise their empathy muscles 157 00:06:24,467 --> 00:06:26,667 and do better with feelings. 158 00:06:26,734 --> 00:06:28,133 You asked after him. 159 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:29,300 You saw how he was doing. 160 00:06:29,367 --> 00:06:32,433 I felt like we were overly being very kind. 161 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:34,367 In fact, I even told William's mom, 162 00:06:34,433 --> 00:06:36,066 I said, "Look, I have a teenager. 163 00:06:36,133 --> 00:06:37,266 We're not mad at him. 164 00:06:37,333 --> 00:06:39,066 We wanted to make sure he was okay." 165 00:06:39,133 --> 00:06:40,934 And our neighbor had come out 166 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,800 and suggested we call to make a police report. 167 00:06:42,867 --> 00:06:45,500 And so she said, "Please don't call the police. 168 00:06:45,567 --> 00:06:47,400 I will take care of this. 169 00:06:47,467 --> 00:06:49,367 I promise to take care of any damage." 170 00:06:49,433 --> 00:06:52,467 And then you asked them to get some estimates for the repairs, yes? 171 00:06:52,533 --> 00:06:54,667 Yes. I told them to get estimates. 172 00:06:54,734 --> 00:06:57,600 You know, we stayed and talked verbally for about five minutes. 173 00:06:58,033 --> 00:07:01,000 You know, it was a quick, you know, conversation 174 00:07:01,066 --> 00:07:03,800 'cause it was not that damaging. 175 00:07:03,867 --> 00:07:06,300 [Judge Acker] This is a situation where, in my view, 176 00:07:06,367 --> 00:07:10,066 your defense is predicated on a bit of a legal misunderstanding. 177 00:07:10,133 --> 00:07:12,567 Even if other people were involved, 178 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:15,133 that doesn't mean that he can't be found at fault. 179 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,900 What it does mean is that if you are found at fault, 180 00:07:18,967 --> 00:07:21,500 you have a cause of action against those others. 181 00:07:21,567 --> 00:07:23,767 It's called joint and several liability. 182 00:07:23,834 --> 00:07:26,266 So all of the people or each of them 183 00:07:26,333 --> 00:07:28,734 can be held liable for this with you. 184 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,200 Now, I understand we have an expert witness here. 185 00:07:32,266 --> 00:07:36,266 May we please have the expert join us in court. 186 00:07:37,500 --> 00:07:40,100 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 187 00:07:40,166 --> 00:07:41,200 [Glenn] If you see where the tire hit, 188 00:07:41,266 --> 00:07:43,033 his whole body went against the side. 189 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:44,467 You can see the very top panel. You can see the indention. 190 00:07:44,533 --> 00:07:46,133 [Judge DiMango] Well, you see, that's a concern I have 191 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,633 that you might have had some damage 192 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,700 on your garage door before he hit it. 193 00:07:49,767 --> 00:07:51,133 [dramatic musical sting] 194 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:54,433 [theme music plays] 195 00:07:54,500 --> 00:07:58,000 [announcer] Glenn and Debbie Caulder are suing Mariann Lagarde 196 00:07:58,066 --> 00:08:01,166 after Mariann's son crashed into their garage, 197 00:08:01,233 --> 00:08:03,967 causing $1,200 in damage. 198 00:08:04,033 --> 00:08:06,467 Mariann says the plaintiffs want too much 199 00:08:06,533 --> 00:08:10,333 and that her son isn't 100% responsible. 200 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,600 Sir, could you please state your name for the record? 201 00:08:12,667 --> 00:08:13,934 Milad Najafi. 202 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,934 Tell us a bit about your expertise with respect to this bicycle. 203 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,567 Yes. I own an electric bike shop in Huntington Beach 204 00:08:21,633 --> 00:08:23,700 called Fatbike HB for six years. 205 00:08:23,767 --> 00:08:26,800 We also manufacture our own electric bikes, 206 00:08:26,867 --> 00:08:29,533 so I'm very educated on the topic. 207 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,033 How fast can that bike go? 208 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:34,266 So out of the box, it will do 20 miles per hour. 209 00:08:34,333 --> 00:08:37,333 However, with an app, you can unlock the bike 210 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,967 to its full potential of 28 miles per hour. 211 00:08:40,033 --> 00:08:43,066 What are the recommended safety protocols for a bike like this? 212 00:08:43,133 --> 00:08:44,800 [Milad] Yeah, if you're under 18, 213 00:08:44,867 --> 00:08:47,166 you are required to wear a helmet. 214 00:08:47,233 --> 00:08:49,934 That's if the bike is going under 20 miles per hour. 215 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,867 If you unlock it via the app and it goes 28 miles per hour, 216 00:08:53,934 --> 00:08:55,467 everyone is required to wear a helmet. 217 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:59,066 [Judge Acker] Do you need both hands on both handles at all times 218 00:08:59,133 --> 00:09:01,100 or can you be a little more flexible? 219 00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:02,500 I would definitely recommend that. 220 00:09:02,567 --> 00:09:04,000 - Can I demonstrate something for you? - [Judge Acker] Please. 221 00:09:04,066 --> 00:09:07,467 So essentially on the bike, there's two features. 222 00:09:07,533 --> 00:09:09,233 One is called pedal assist, 223 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,200 where when you get on the bike 224 00:09:11,266 --> 00:09:14,500 and any time the pedals rotate forward, there's a sensor 225 00:09:14,567 --> 00:09:17,600 and it begins to accelerate all on--all by itself. 226 00:09:17,667 --> 00:09:20,834 The other way you can ride the bike is by using this throttle right here, okay? 227 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:23,533 It's a thumb throttle. You just push it down with your thumb. 228 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,367 And it works just like a gas pedal. 229 00:09:25,433 --> 00:09:27,066 So if you push it gently, it'll go slow. 230 00:09:27,133 --> 00:09:30,066 But if you push it all the way, it'll reach that top speed. 231 00:09:30,133 --> 00:09:32,400 So if it's propelling itself, 232 00:09:32,467 --> 00:09:34,800 how quickly can you get it to brake? 233 00:09:34,867 --> 00:09:36,767 Right. So then that was gonna be my next point. 234 00:09:36,834 --> 00:09:40,000 Let's say this hand is holding something else 235 00:09:40,066 --> 00:09:42,800 and you're only accelerating the bike with your thumb. 236 00:09:42,867 --> 00:09:45,367 You're gonna be limited to one brake lever. 237 00:09:45,433 --> 00:09:49,967 If, out of the factory, the brake lever on the right side stops the rear tire, 238 00:09:50,033 --> 00:09:53,333 then you're gonna pretty much lock up the rear tire and you're just gonna skid. 239 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,767 You're not gonna really stop. 240 00:09:54,834 --> 00:09:56,600 - So limited braking ability? - Absolutely. 241 00:09:56,667 --> 00:10:00,333 If you have both hands, then you could pull both brakes at the same time. 242 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,166 You're gonna stop twice as fast, for sure. 243 00:10:03,233 --> 00:10:04,233 That's very helpful. 244 00:10:04,300 --> 00:10:07,166 I don't have anything further for you, sir, but my colleagues may. 245 00:10:07,233 --> 00:10:09,000 - Judge DiMango. - [Judge DiMango] Thank you. 246 00:10:09,066 --> 00:10:10,900 First of all, who's bike was this? 247 00:10:10,967 --> 00:10:12,400 [William] A friend of a friend's. 248 00:10:12,467 --> 00:10:14,700 It was my first time hanging out with them. 249 00:10:14,767 --> 00:10:16,500 [Judge DiMango] I'd like to speak to you again, sir. 250 00:10:16,567 --> 00:10:19,166 - What are they, like almost $3,000? - [Milad] Almost 3,000, yes. 251 00:10:19,233 --> 00:10:21,700 [Judge DiMango] He says, "Here. You look like a good kid, William. 252 00:10:21,767 --> 00:10:24,100 Take my $3,000 bike?" 253 00:10:24,166 --> 00:10:27,000 No. Everybody was riding it all night long. 254 00:10:27,066 --> 00:10:28,867 [Judge DiMango] How fast were you going? 255 00:10:28,934 --> 00:10:31,333 Um, around 15 256 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,700 and then I slowed down. 257 00:10:32,767 --> 00:10:35,200 And then after the kid jumped on the back, 258 00:10:35,266 --> 00:10:37,500 I pressed the throttle and I didn't look at the... 259 00:10:37,567 --> 00:10:39,967 [Judge DiMango] You pressed the throttle? With which hand did you do that? 260 00:10:40,033 --> 00:10:41,266 My right hand. 261 00:10:41,333 --> 00:10:42,734 So if you were holding the Nerf, 262 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,533 you would have held that in your left hand? 263 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,867 Yes, ma'am. 264 00:10:45,934 --> 00:10:47,467 [Judge DiMango] We have a picture of the garage 265 00:10:47,533 --> 00:10:48,934 down with the damages on it. 266 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,600 I'd like to see that. 267 00:10:50,667 --> 00:10:52,767 Tell me how the impact occurred. 268 00:10:52,834 --> 00:10:56,033 I wanna know exactly what happened when you hit the garage. 269 00:10:56,100 --> 00:10:59,400 Okay. I hit this part right here 270 00:10:59,467 --> 00:11:00,800 where the tire mark is. 271 00:11:00,867 --> 00:11:02,934 That's where the bike hit it. 272 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,934 I hit it like this and then I immediately went forward. 273 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,834 And then I felt the bike come up 274 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:11,367 and then it bounced like down as I was falling down. 275 00:11:11,433 --> 00:11:14,100 When it came up, how high up did it go? 276 00:11:14,166 --> 00:11:15,600 I'd say like right here. 277 00:11:15,667 --> 00:11:18,133 Your Honor, if you can look, if you see where the tire hit, 278 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,633 his whole body went against the side. 279 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:21,734 You can see the very top panel. You can see the indention. 280 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,467 [Judge DiMango] Well, you see, that's a concern I have. 281 00:11:23,533 --> 00:11:25,100 The damage on the top, point to it. 282 00:11:25,166 --> 00:11:27,000 There's nothing that makes me think 283 00:11:27,066 --> 00:11:30,667 that he or the bike hit that portion of the garage. 284 00:11:30,734 --> 00:11:34,300 It just seems much too high for the impact. 285 00:11:34,367 --> 00:11:36,266 - [Debbie] So we just... - So I'm alluding to the fact 286 00:11:36,333 --> 00:11:39,500 that you might have had some damage on your garage door before he hit it. 287 00:11:39,567 --> 00:11:40,834 - [Glenn] No. - That's where I'm going with this, 288 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:42,367 - just so you know. - We didn't. 289 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,567 - We didn't. - [Judge DiMango] Okay. You can go back. 290 00:11:44,633 --> 00:11:46,500 We had purchased the garage door a year prior 291 00:11:46,567 --> 00:11:49,333 and we didn't have any damage as far as we know. 292 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:50,800 [Judge DiMango] Did you go back to the same company 293 00:11:50,867 --> 00:11:52,834 - to replace the garage door? - We did. 294 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:54,867 We did speak to the guy who thought at the time 295 00:11:54,934 --> 00:11:57,367 he might be able to just smooth it out and repair it... 296 00:11:57,433 --> 00:11:58,500 Right. He did say that. 297 00:11:58,567 --> 00:12:01,467 ... which we were willing to go with. 298 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:02,900 We just wanted it fixed. 299 00:12:02,967 --> 00:12:04,867 When he did come out and look at it again, 300 00:12:04,934 --> 00:12:06,767 he wasn't able to get it all creased out 301 00:12:06,834 --> 00:12:08,633 because all four panels were damaged. 302 00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:11,266 So he said that we wouldn't be able to fix it. 303 00:12:11,333 --> 00:12:13,133 When I did get the three estimates, 304 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,533 I got the two estimates, 305 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,100 - one was the 1,200... - But the garage does open and close 306 00:12:17,166 --> 00:12:19,767 - as it's supposed to but with the fact... - Not all the time. 307 00:12:19,834 --> 00:12:21,533 - [Debbie] Not all the time. - We've had--we've had issues 308 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,433 four or five times now where she's gone to work 309 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:25,900 and it hasn't either opened or closed behind her. 310 00:12:25,967 --> 00:12:29,266 I understand we have a video of the garage not working properly. 311 00:12:29,333 --> 00:12:30,633 So let's take a look at that. 312 00:12:42,367 --> 00:12:43,700 [Debbie] It makes a popping... 313 00:12:43,767 --> 00:12:45,066 [Judge DiMango] Mom, I mean, I know you're his mother 314 00:12:45,133 --> 00:12:46,400 and you wanna stick up for him and all, 315 00:12:46,467 --> 00:12:49,066 but, to me, I would be so annoyed 316 00:12:49,133 --> 00:12:51,166 that he would be so reckless with his own safety. 317 00:12:51,233 --> 00:12:52,767 It is annoying. It is. 318 00:12:52,834 --> 00:12:56,200 And I wouldn't give him an inch of letting him think that, 319 00:12:56,266 --> 00:12:59,333 "Okay, it was your friend's fault or they jumped on or you didn't do this. 320 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,667 Oh, you're okay, you're okay." 321 00:13:00,734 --> 00:13:02,867 - [Marianne] It's a--it's not... - You're responsible here. 322 00:13:02,934 --> 00:13:05,567 You wanna be an adult? You're responsible. Judge Levy. 323 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:08,767 [Judge Levy] You know, William, I was 14 once. 324 00:13:08,834 --> 00:13:12,166 If at 14 years old, I could ride that bike, 325 00:13:12,233 --> 00:13:15,266 ripping around with my friends playing Nerf gun wars, 326 00:13:15,333 --> 00:13:16,834 you're damn right I'd be doing it. 327 00:13:16,900 --> 00:13:18,834 - [chuckling] - [Judge Levy] You know. 328 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:19,900 That's what was going on. 329 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:22,734 Your friends were all having a Nerf gun war, right? 330 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,100 - Uh-hmm. - [Judge Levy] Yeah. 331 00:13:24,166 --> 00:13:27,767 You knew your mom wasn't gonna be happy about you riding the bike. 332 00:13:27,834 --> 00:13:32,100 And that's right, because she's your mom and she wants you to be safe, right? 333 00:13:32,166 --> 00:13:33,633 - Yes, sir. - [Judge Levy] I know. 334 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:35,567 And then you most certainly knew 335 00:13:35,633 --> 00:13:39,100 that she would not be happy and would be super pissed 336 00:13:39,166 --> 00:13:41,934 if she found out you were not wearing a helmet, 337 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,600 so you told her that you were wearing a helmet, right? 338 00:13:44,667 --> 00:13:45,867 I was wearing a helmet. 339 00:13:45,934 --> 00:13:47,533 - [Judge Levy] You were? - That's what I told her. 340 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,600 - What color was it? - [William] It's a... 341 00:13:48,667 --> 00:13:49,934 - What color was it? - [William] It was a black one. 342 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,633 - Really? - An all-black one. 343 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:53,066 [Judge Levy] Yeah? 344 00:13:53,133 --> 00:13:54,867 William, we can go through this. 345 00:13:54,934 --> 00:13:56,567 We can--you know what? Why not? 346 00:13:56,633 --> 00:13:59,767 I did it with my son, so I might as well do it with you. 347 00:13:59,834 --> 00:14:01,200 So let me ask you a question. 348 00:14:01,266 --> 00:14:03,233 You think these are bad people over here? 349 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:04,300 No, sir. 350 00:14:04,367 --> 00:14:07,166 Do they have any reason to lie about you not wearing a helmet? 351 00:14:07,233 --> 00:14:09,667 Hmm, because it's illegal not to wear a helmet. 352 00:14:09,734 --> 00:14:12,166 Who cares if it's illegal not to wear-- they don't care whether-- 353 00:14:12,233 --> 00:14:14,734 if they wanted to jam you up, they'd have called the cops. 354 00:14:15,233 --> 00:14:16,233 They did. 355 00:14:16,300 --> 00:14:17,300 [Judge Levy chuckles] No, they didn't. 356 00:14:17,367 --> 00:14:18,367 - Not initially. - [Judge Levy] They called-- 357 00:14:18,433 --> 00:14:20,266 No, they didn't. You called 911? 358 00:14:20,333 --> 00:14:21,433 - No, sir. - [Judge Levy] No. 359 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:24,266 The way that you acted, ma'am, after the fact, 360 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,233 they're probably kicking themselves in the backside 361 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,567 for not calling the cops there right away. 362 00:14:29,633 --> 00:14:31,000 And how did I act? 363 00:14:31,066 --> 00:14:32,066 - [Judge Levy] How did you act? - Yes. 364 00:14:32,133 --> 00:14:34,100 You told them that you were gonna make good on it 365 00:14:34,166 --> 00:14:36,900 and then you didn't and you forced them to file a lawsuit. 366 00:14:36,967 --> 00:14:40,433 They stood there and said that I have to get a brand-new door for them 367 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:42,567 - and not repair the one that's there. - [Judge Levy] Let me ask you. 368 00:14:42,633 --> 00:14:44,967 - Jeez. Oh, man. You know--no, no. - Your Honor, I just... 369 00:14:45,033 --> 00:14:46,266 - I don't wanna interrupt, just... - Go ahead. 370 00:14:46,333 --> 00:14:50,700 But in the three estimates-- she asked me to get three estimates. 371 00:14:50,767 --> 00:14:53,166 I took time out of my day to get those estimates. 372 00:14:53,233 --> 00:14:54,900 I met with each individual person. 373 00:14:54,967 --> 00:14:56,133 And then... 374 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,533 - [Judge Levy] I get it. - [Glenn] Yeah. 375 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,166 And the $2,200 estimate was-- 376 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:02,300 and I told her this, is for her because she said 377 00:15:02,367 --> 00:15:04,367 she couldn't pay it all at once. 378 00:15:04,433 --> 00:15:06,200 That company was gonna let her finance it. 379 00:15:06,266 --> 00:15:08,834 [Judge Levy] Yeah. Ms. Lagarde, if they wanted to jam you up, 380 00:15:08,900 --> 00:15:10,900 they'd have come in with the $2,200 estimate. 381 00:15:10,967 --> 00:15:13,367 They would have kept the $1,200 estimate in their pocket. 382 00:15:13,433 --> 00:15:15,133 They know they're getting money from you. 383 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,533 They know that. They'd have take... 384 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:17,834 Well, it's already more than they paid for it. 385 00:15:17,900 --> 00:15:19,333 [Judge Levy] They--it doesn't make any difference. 386 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,300 Listen, do you think that they should have any less of a brand-new door 387 00:15:23,367 --> 00:15:25,200 because of what your son did? 388 00:15:25,266 --> 00:15:26,834 I think that if they are reasonable, 389 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:30,000 they could allow us to get it fixed and handled. 390 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:32,200 [Judge Levy] When you say fixed and handled, not a new door. 391 00:15:32,266 --> 00:15:34,900 So they should have something less than what they had before. 392 00:15:34,967 --> 00:15:36,433 It wasn't new after a year. 393 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:37,633 [Judge Levy] Who cares? 394 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:39,633 You think you're gonna go out and you're gonna go take 395 00:15:39,700 --> 00:15:41,800 a one-year-old door off another garage... 396 00:15:41,867 --> 00:15:43,400 - [Marianne] Well, I... - ... and they should do that? 397 00:15:43,467 --> 00:15:46,667 Ma'am, you wanna teach your son a lesson, a life lesson, 398 00:15:46,734 --> 00:15:48,100 a responsible lesson, 399 00:15:48,166 --> 00:15:50,000 then the way you do that is to say, 400 00:15:50,066 --> 00:15:52,567 "When you mess up, you take responsibility for it." 401 00:15:52,633 --> 00:15:53,633 - That's what you do. - And that's true. 402 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:55,834 No. That's not the lesson you're teaching him at all. 403 00:15:55,900 --> 00:15:59,433 You're teaching him to say, "Hey, listen, if you do something wrong, 404 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,066 don't take responsibility, 405 00:16:01,133 --> 00:16:04,800 jerk people around who work hard and who are not responsible 406 00:16:04,867 --> 00:16:07,834 for taking time out of their day to fix your mistake, 407 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:11,066 and, you know, just force them to take you to court 408 00:16:11,133 --> 00:16:12,934 to pay for what you know you should." 409 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,166 What kind of lesson is that for you to teach your son? 410 00:16:15,233 --> 00:16:17,567 Volunteered services for him to go and volunteer some free work for him, 411 00:16:17,633 --> 00:16:19,734 if he wanted, to help hold him accountable. 412 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:20,800 - [Judge Levy] Yeah. - Yeah. 413 00:16:20,867 --> 00:16:21,867 [Judge Levy] He should be doing that anyway. 414 00:16:21,934 --> 00:16:23,066 We offered. 415 00:16:23,133 --> 00:16:26,200 But the main thing that they want is their door 416 00:16:26,266 --> 00:16:29,133 the way it was before your son-- 417 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,000 no one else, your son nailed it. 418 00:16:31,066 --> 00:16:32,600 No, the other child that was there... 419 00:16:32,667 --> 00:16:36,867 Nailed it. Listen, the problem with you, you are an enabler. 420 00:16:36,934 --> 00:16:38,633 - Okay. - [Judge Levy] If you keep doing this, 421 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:40,333 he's gonna have real problems. 422 00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:44,367 [announcer] Coming up on Tribunal Justice. 423 00:16:44,433 --> 00:16:47,200 He said he was going too fast, tried to turn, 424 00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:48,633 and crashed into our garage. 425 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,633 - You calling them a liar? - [William] Yes, sir. 426 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:51,700 [Judge Levy] Really? 427 00:16:51,767 --> 00:16:53,133 Right now, I am. 428 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,400 [dramatic musical sting] 429 00:16:56,266 --> 00:16:57,600 [theme music plays] 430 00:16:57,667 --> 00:17:01,200 [announcer] Glenn and Debbie Caulder think Marianne Lagarde should pay 431 00:17:01,266 --> 00:17:05,233 to replace the garage door her son, William, wrecked with an e-bike. 432 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:08,700 However, Marianne is blaming another kid for the mishap. 433 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,633 I spent 25 years dealing with parents like you 434 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:14,867 who refuse to have their children take responsibility for themselves 435 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:16,600 and they don't grow up well, 436 00:17:16,667 --> 00:17:19,166 'cause you always want to play him as the victim. 437 00:17:19,233 --> 00:17:21,367 The only victims here are these two people. 438 00:17:21,433 --> 00:17:25,533 And you think that they should get some janky door put on their garage 439 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,066 so that every time that they go into that garage every day-- 440 00:17:29,133 --> 00:17:30,734 you think that's reasonable, William? 441 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,100 - No, sir. - [Judge Levy] No. 442 00:17:32,166 --> 00:17:34,567 It should have been fixed immediately. 443 00:17:34,633 --> 00:17:35,633 Immediately. 444 00:17:35,700 --> 00:17:37,233 [Debbie] I think what was disappointing as well 445 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:41,400 is that there was no mention of anybody being involved 446 00:17:41,467 --> 00:17:44,166 other than her son by him or her 447 00:17:44,233 --> 00:17:45,834 until after the quotes came. 448 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:47,934 Ms. Caulder, thank you, 'cause that was my next point. 449 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,133 Before William's mom got there, 450 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,367 it was just him and you two. 451 00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:54,433 [Glenn] Correct. 452 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:58,100 Did he tell you in any way, shape, or form, 453 00:17:58,633 --> 00:18:01,066 when you went out and saw him on the ground holding his jaw, 454 00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:03,467 that someone else was on the back of the bike? 455 00:18:03,533 --> 00:18:04,533 - No, sir. - No. 456 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,000 He said he was going too fast, tried to turn, 457 00:18:07,066 --> 00:18:08,567 and crashed into our garage. 458 00:18:09,066 --> 00:18:11,400 [Judge Levy] So what you're doing, William, think about it. 459 00:18:11,467 --> 00:18:12,900 You calling them a liar? 460 00:18:12,967 --> 00:18:14,133 Yes, sir. 461 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,200 [Judge Levy] Really? 462 00:18:15,266 --> 00:18:16,567 Right now, I am. 463 00:18:16,633 --> 00:18:18,834 That's the problem with what you do, ma'am. 464 00:18:18,900 --> 00:18:20,467 That's the problem with what you do. 465 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:21,700 I have nothing further. 466 00:18:21,767 --> 00:18:23,133 [Judge Acker] I do. 467 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,867 Ma'am, how much do you think you owe them? 468 00:18:24,934 --> 00:18:26,633 - Because in your papers, I saw... - [Mariann] I think... 469 00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:28,133 ... I saw something mention 470 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,734 that you said you wouldn't pay more than $600. 471 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,567 - Where did that come from? - Oh, because their lowest estimate 472 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:34,934 was 1,200 for the brand-new door 473 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,333 and I believe that we should pay half, at least, 474 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,166 because I do not believe that he is completely 100% responsible. 475 00:18:42,233 --> 00:18:45,500 I do believe that he is partially responsible. 476 00:18:45,567 --> 00:18:47,934 He was there. It was part of his actions. 477 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,667 But he wasn't the only one that took in this act that caused this damage. 478 00:18:52,734 --> 00:18:56,166 [Judge Acker] Ms. Caulder, let me also ask you this. 479 00:18:56,233 --> 00:18:59,633 As you walked out of your home and saw the scene, 480 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:02,400 did you have any reason to believe 481 00:19:02,467 --> 00:19:04,667 that there were other kids who were involved? 482 00:19:04,734 --> 00:19:07,533 No, because they weren't close enough to him. 483 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,433 - They took off. - He didn't tell us. 484 00:19:09,500 --> 00:19:12,000 She never said a word until about, 485 00:19:12,066 --> 00:19:14,233 - what, a month or--a month later... - A month. 486 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:17,000 - ... when we got the estimate? - Yeah, after I got the three quotes. 487 00:19:17,066 --> 00:19:18,700 Thank you. I don't have anything further. 488 00:19:18,767 --> 00:19:21,033 I do wanna ask you one thing. How'd your phone break? 489 00:19:21,100 --> 00:19:23,667 Oh, I was going to 7-Eleven with my brother 490 00:19:23,734 --> 00:19:28,734 and he told me he'd buy me a drink if I could jump over the hedge. 491 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,166 And I tried to jump over the hedge and my phone fell out my pocket. 492 00:19:31,233 --> 00:19:33,066 You know, I just-- you know why I asked you? 493 00:19:33,133 --> 00:19:37,300 Because I said to myself, this is a kid who makes just a lot of stupid decisions. 494 00:19:38,033 --> 00:19:39,834 I don't have any other questions. 495 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:41,200 - Are we ready? - [Judge Levy] Yeah. 496 00:19:41,266 --> 00:19:43,166 We're gonna retire to deliberate. Thank you. 497 00:19:43,233 --> 00:19:46,200 Okay. Court now stands in recess. Parties are excused. 498 00:19:46,266 --> 00:19:49,834 [dramatic musical sting] 499 00:19:49,900 --> 00:19:53,033 You guys are so hard on young William and his enabling mother. 500 00:19:53,100 --> 00:19:54,667 [laughter] 501 00:19:54,734 --> 00:19:56,633 Oh, this is such an easy case. 502 00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:57,967 He's absolutely liable. 503 00:19:58,033 --> 00:20:00,667 I don't think they inflated the damage. 504 00:20:00,734 --> 00:20:05,333 Frankly, she got her back up for reasons that I don't quite understand 505 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,133 but probably just have to do with not being able to pay, 506 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,233 being protective, not understanding 507 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:14,700 that even if other people are responsible, that doesn't mean that you're not. 508 00:20:14,767 --> 00:20:17,300 But, to me, it's a very simple $1,200 verdict. 509 00:20:17,367 --> 00:20:19,300 - And they were very fair... - Yeah. 510 00:20:19,367 --> 00:20:20,834 ... in finding the lowest estimate, 511 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:22,734 working to look for lower estimates. 512 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,333 They had no obligation to do all of that. 513 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,467 I don't think they fabricated any of their damages. 514 00:20:26,533 --> 00:20:28,900 I think that they truly want a new garage. 515 00:20:28,967 --> 00:20:31,300 They want a garage that works, that doesn't make clicking sounds 516 00:20:31,367 --> 00:20:33,200 when it opens and closes. 517 00:20:33,266 --> 00:20:36,900 I do think that the female plaintiff was interested and concerned 518 00:20:36,967 --> 00:20:38,633 about his wellbeing. 519 00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:40,767 Most people would come out and say, "Are you okay?" 520 00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:42,834 - The other--the husband not so much. - No, dad's coming out going, 521 00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:44,834 - "What did you do to my door?" - I know. Like... 522 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:46,633 - That's exactly what he said. - [laughs] That's what happened. 523 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:49,166 Believe me, I swear I said the female. He was--he was not... 524 00:20:49,233 --> 00:20:51,600 And then she said, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's hurt. He's hurt." 525 00:20:51,667 --> 00:20:52,734 - Yeah. - He's like, "Well, with the door." 526 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,266 He was like, "My face, my face." 527 00:20:54,333 --> 00:20:56,400 And you know what? She is gonna defend her son. 528 00:20:56,467 --> 00:20:58,000 And, you know, in a way, it's good. 529 00:20:58,066 --> 00:20:59,333 It's good to have somebody in your court 530 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,400 but it's another thing to help him be responsible for all he's done. 531 00:21:01,467 --> 00:21:02,567 You gotta--you gotta have to own up. 532 00:21:02,633 --> 00:21:04,734 - There's defending and there's enabling. - [Judge DiMango] Correct. 533 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,100 And Lord knows we've seen so many young adults 534 00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:11,867 who've been enabled for their entire lives. 535 00:21:11,934 --> 00:21:14,900 Their maturity is dwarfed by what their parents do to them. 536 00:21:14,967 --> 00:21:17,266 Well, that's why I was curious as to what happened with his phone 537 00:21:17,333 --> 00:21:18,400 because we kind of--I'm thinking, 538 00:21:18,467 --> 00:21:20,033 a kid that age, what happened with his phone? 539 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:21,834 Maybe he crashed into a wall with the phone. 540 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:24,300 But he should be making wiser choices. He's gotta make smart choices. 541 00:21:24,367 --> 00:21:27,467 My parents would have made me sign over my allowance until it was done. 542 00:21:27,533 --> 00:21:30,467 - Yeah, but--yes. - We're unanimous, $1,200. 543 00:21:30,533 --> 00:21:32,033 I was a bad kid growing up. 544 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:33,900 I know exactly what he did. 545 00:21:33,967 --> 00:21:37,133 [dramatic musical sting] 546 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,500 [Byrd] Court is back in session. 547 00:21:38,567 --> 00:21:40,834 Parties are reminded you're still under oath. 548 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:42,100 - Thank you, Byrd. - Uh-hmm. 549 00:21:42,166 --> 00:21:45,433 We've deliberated. We've reached a unanimous verdict. 550 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:47,100 Before I announce it, Ms. Lagarde, 551 00:21:47,166 --> 00:21:49,800 I got the sense from the papers that maybe sometimes 552 00:21:49,867 --> 00:21:51,734 money is not as plentiful 553 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,834 - as you would have liked. - Correct. 554 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:55,300 [Judge Acker] I think that's why you're here. 555 00:21:55,367 --> 00:21:56,900 And in fairness to you, 556 00:21:56,967 --> 00:22:01,233 there are situations where people try to make a mountain out of a molehill 557 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,166 or try to take advantage of a minor accident 558 00:22:04,233 --> 00:22:06,033 and make something grander of it. 559 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:07,400 That's not those people. 560 00:22:07,467 --> 00:22:09,934 They worked with you. They were patient. 561 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,900 So this is a situation where it really was not right or fair 562 00:22:13,967 --> 00:22:15,300 to make them go through all of this. 563 00:22:15,367 --> 00:22:18,367 William, you did it. You're responsible for this. 564 00:22:18,433 --> 00:22:20,633 I don't know if there are others who are responsible. 565 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:23,834 If there are, it is your mother's burden to go out, 566 00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:26,467 find them, sue them, and then bring them to justice. 567 00:22:26,533 --> 00:22:28,900 But the way that the facts of this case played out, 568 00:22:28,967 --> 00:22:32,066 it just doesn't support liability, at this point, 569 00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:34,333 for anybody but mom here. 570 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,133 So we are going to award you 571 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,300 the full amount of $1,200 that you are requesting. 572 00:22:39,367 --> 00:22:41,433 Judgment in this case is in your favor. 573 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,033 Good luck to everybody. 574 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:45,133 William, wear that helmet next time 575 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,400 and stop getting your mother into so much trouble. 576 00:22:47,967 --> 00:22:49,667 - Thank you. - Thank you. Thank you. 577 00:22:49,734 --> 00:22:51,367 This case has now concluded. 578 00:22:51,433 --> 00:22:53,433 Parties are excused, you may step out. 579 00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:54,967 [theme music plays] 580 00:22:55,033 --> 00:22:57,633 I do feel that the other child and their parents 581 00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:58,967 should be held responsible as well. 582 00:22:59,033 --> 00:23:01,166 She said do what you gotta do so I did. 583 00:23:01,233 --> 00:23:02,233 It's whatever. 584 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:03,667 I mean, I could see where they're coming from 585 00:23:03,734 --> 00:23:04,734 but then I don't. 586 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,033 Lesson learned for him. 587 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:08,133 He's not touching them, no. 588 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,767 No bikes. Period. 589 00:23:09,834 --> 00:23:10,834 [laughter] 590 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,500 We hope no more e-bikes in our neighborhood. 591 00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:14,033 I'll have to get on the HOA about that. 592 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:16,400 [announcer] Did someone destroy your property? 593 00:23:16,467 --> 00:23:19,433 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 594 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:23,700 Find us on social media at Tribunal Justice. 595 00:23:23,767 --> 00:23:27,066 ["Ride of the Valkyries" plays]