1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:02,967 [narrator] Previously on Tribunal Justice… 2 00:00:03,033 --> 00:00:06,767 The truck had major problems that made it unsafe to drive. 3 00:00:06,834 --> 00:00:08,500 The motor could blow up, potentially. 4 00:00:08,567 --> 00:00:11,033 I'm 100% sure he's lying. 5 00:00:11,100 --> 00:00:13,633 I'm thinking about all the things that you did 6 00:00:13,700 --> 00:00:17,066 that would be textbook how not to buy a car. 7 00:00:17,133 --> 00:00:19,200 I probably should've had it checked out by a mechanic first. 8 00:00:19,266 --> 00:00:20,433 He's selling the truck. 9 00:00:20,500 --> 00:00:24,100 "Truck sounds like a jet and has plenty of power." 10 00:00:24,166 --> 00:00:27,467 So, who is being dishonest here? 11 00:00:29,367 --> 00:00:30,900 [main theme playing] 12 00:00:51,233 --> 00:00:54,600 [narrator] Today's case was filed in McMinnville, Oregon. 13 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:57,934 All right. I just want to clean a couple of things up, if I could. 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,633 -You sold the vehicle. -Yes, Your Honor. 15 00:01:00,700 --> 00:01:04,766 This document was provided by the defendant, right? That was the ad? 16 00:01:04,834 --> 00:01:06,667 -Correct. -[Levy] And you gave this to me, 17 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:10,200 Ms. Busser, because you wanted to show us that he was being dishonest 18 00:01:10,266 --> 00:01:14,133 when he failed to list the engine problems that he's complaining about right now. 19 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,700 -Right? -Yes. 20 00:01:15,767 --> 00:01:18,700 [Levy] That ad is dated October 24th, 2024. 21 00:01:18,767 --> 00:01:21,367 So, he bought the truck on September 22nd? 22 00:01:21,433 --> 00:01:24,033 -[Aubrey] Mm-hmm. -And he's selling it on October 24th. 23 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:27,600 On the listing, if you look at the photo, it says about a month ago. 24 00:01:27,667 --> 00:01:30,533 So, he listed it about a month before October, 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,866 which was two days after I sold him the truck. 26 00:01:32,934 --> 00:01:34,734 So, that's consistent with what he's saying. 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,834 By two days after the truck, he knows 28 00:01:36,900 --> 00:01:40,633 that despite what you specifically told him, and I'm not talkin' puffery, 29 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:43,433 the truck runs great when it might just run good. 30 00:01:43,500 --> 00:01:45,967 That's puffery, and Judge Acker's 100% right. 31 00:01:46,033 --> 00:01:48,866 But you specifically told him that there were no engine problems, right? 32 00:01:48,934 --> 00:01:51,166 -Yeah. There were not any. -[Levy] There weren't any problems. 33 00:01:51,233 --> 00:01:54,100 You already testified that the mechanic told you there were no engine problems. 34 00:01:54,166 --> 00:01:55,467 [Aubrey] Yeah, correct. 35 00:01:55,533 --> 00:01:57,800 [Levy] But to be quite fair, Mr. Robinson, 36 00:01:57,866 --> 00:01:59,934 you also provided us with a text 37 00:02:00,066 --> 00:02:05,266 that was the text you sent out to people when they responded to this partial ad. 38 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:09,166 Now mind you, the defendants provided us with this information, right, this ad. 39 00:02:09,233 --> 00:02:11,467 What you said is that this ad is not complete. 40 00:02:11,533 --> 00:02:13,767 -Yes, Your Honor. -[Levy] There were additional documents 41 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:16,333 that they could've printed out and provided us with 42 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,800 that had your explanation about the head gaskets, 43 00:02:18,867 --> 00:02:20,433 they just didn't print it out. 44 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:21,667 Yes, Your Honor. 45 00:02:21,734 --> 00:02:24,233 [Levy] On your text message that you provided us with, 46 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:27,100 this is you responding to one of those people who contacted you. 47 00:02:27,166 --> 00:02:31,066 "I mean, yeah, it runs and drives, but needs some pretty big repairs. 48 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:34,900 It has low mileage, but I just got it out of the diesel shop, 49 00:02:34,966 --> 00:02:38,934 and it needs two injectors and has leaky head gaskets." 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,633 You didn't know that they were gonna come in here, 51 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,600 provide us with a half document to make you look bad. 52 00:02:44,667 --> 00:02:47,800 So, you gave us that text message to prove the falsity 53 00:02:47,867 --> 00:02:51,934 of what they were trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Did I get that right? 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,633 Yes, Your Honor. That's correct. 55 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:56,367 [Levy] On that receipt that we got from your mechanic, 56 00:02:56,433 --> 00:02:59,100 -it was dated June 10th, 2024, right? -[Aubrey] Yeah, correct. 57 00:02:59,166 --> 00:03:03,934 June 10th, 2024, you got this work done. And you sold it September 22nd, right? 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,066 Yeah, correct. 59 00:03:05,133 --> 00:03:08,633 And you say that you were driving it every day between June 10th 60 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:12,066 -until you sold it June 22nd, right? -Yes. 61 00:03:12,133 --> 00:03:15,600 And that mechanic, his name was Zachary Hefflin, right? 62 00:03:15,667 --> 00:03:16,734 Correct. 63 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,367 -[Levy] Did you know him? -No. 64 00:03:18,433 --> 00:03:19,500 [Levy] You, ma'am? 65 00:03:19,567 --> 00:03:22,166 Uh, no, we were recommended by a friend of ours 66 00:03:22,233 --> 00:03:23,633 that takes their vehicle there. 67 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:26,867 And that friend of yours said this was a good mechanic, honest guy? 68 00:03:26,934 --> 00:03:28,633 -Yeah. -[Levy] He's not gonna rip you off? 69 00:03:28,700 --> 00:03:31,166 -No. -[Levy] You have no reason to believe 70 00:03:31,233 --> 00:03:34,734 why Zachary Hefflin would be biased against you, do you? 71 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:35,867 No. 72 00:03:35,934 --> 00:03:38,466 Great. I think we have a witness that we'd like to bring in. 73 00:03:38,533 --> 00:03:39,934 Zachary Hefflin. 74 00:03:40,266 --> 00:03:42,266 [dramatic music playing] 75 00:03:42,367 --> 00:03:44,700 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice… 76 00:03:44,767 --> 00:03:47,500 You said that the truck had 152,000 miles. 77 00:03:47,567 --> 00:03:48,667 Yes, correct. 78 00:03:48,734 --> 00:03:54,000 The Carfax shows 362,000 miles. 79 00:03:54,066 --> 00:03:56,700 So, how do you explain that discrepancy? 80 00:03:59,767 --> 00:04:01,433 [main theme playing] 81 00:04:02,033 --> 00:04:04,700 [narrator] Justin Robinson is suing Aubrey Bogosian 82 00:04:04,767 --> 00:04:07,233 and her mom, Alyssa Busser, for $10,000. 83 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:11,166 Justin claims that they sold him a truck that was too dangerous to drive, 84 00:04:11,233 --> 00:04:14,066 but Aubrey and Alyssa say it was an as-is sale 85 00:04:14,133 --> 00:04:16,700 and they never misrepresented anything. 86 00:04:16,767 --> 00:04:18,834 -What's your name? -Zack Hefflin. 87 00:04:18,899 --> 00:04:21,433 [Levy] Take a look at these two ladies over here. 88 00:04:21,500 --> 00:04:23,300 -You recognize him? -Yeah. 89 00:04:23,367 --> 00:04:25,367 -[Levy] Who is he? -The mechanic. 90 00:04:25,433 --> 00:04:28,433 I'm gonna make this real clear and simple for you. 91 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:29,500 Yeah. 92 00:04:29,567 --> 00:04:32,332 Now that you see him standing right there, 93 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,867 is there anything about your testimony you want to change? 94 00:04:34,933 --> 00:04:36,900 -[Aubrey] No. -About what he told you 95 00:04:36,967 --> 00:04:40,100 about problems and engine problems with that vehicle? 96 00:04:40,166 --> 00:04:41,300 -No. -[Levy] Good. 97 00:04:41,367 --> 00:04:43,800 Diggin' in, doubling down. 98 00:04:43,867 --> 00:04:46,100 -How long you been a mechanic? -Ten years. 99 00:04:46,166 --> 00:04:49,066 [Levy] Did you work on this 2005 Ford F350? 100 00:04:49,133 --> 00:04:50,800 -Yes. -[Levy] Is that the truck 101 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:52,867 that's on the screen that they brought in? 102 00:04:52,933 --> 00:04:54,533 -[Zack] Correct. -[Levy] When they brought it in, 103 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,266 -it was not running, correct? -Correct. 104 00:04:56,332 --> 00:04:57,900 -[Levy] They had to tow it in. -Correct. 105 00:04:57,967 --> 00:05:00,133 [Levy] Tell us about the inspection, what you did, 106 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,834 and most importantly, what you told them, if anything, 107 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:07,533 about substantial engine problems specifically with the head gaskets. 108 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,200 So, we took the truck in, pulled codes off of the truck. 109 00:05:11,266 --> 00:05:14,700 It had immediate injector codes, low oil pressure codes, 110 00:05:14,767 --> 00:05:18,600 and a ton of other random glow plug codes and similar stuff. 111 00:05:18,667 --> 00:05:20,467 Truck needed a wiring harness. 112 00:05:20,533 --> 00:05:23,332 I recommended we put an OEM Ford harness in it. 113 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,533 Too expensive. They wanted to go with one they provided. 114 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,934 Okay, no problem. We installed the harness. 115 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,300 Found more issues. Now the truck would crank, 116 00:05:31,367 --> 00:05:33,900 still no start. Found bad injectors. 117 00:05:33,967 --> 00:05:36,700 Found a bad fuel injection control module. 118 00:05:36,767 --> 00:05:38,133 Tore the truck back apart. 119 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,867 Talked to them about it. Told them what we recommended, 120 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:45,300 which is removing the cab and doing the head gasket job. 121 00:05:45,367 --> 00:05:47,600 When you do that, all these little problems 122 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:49,867 will not nickel and dime you if you do it once. 123 00:05:49,933 --> 00:05:53,133 When you do it once, it's done right. Warranty, no problem. 124 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,400 That head gasket that you told them you wanted to take the cab off to get to, 125 00:05:57,467 --> 00:06:00,633 it was your professional opinion that that needed to be replaced. 126 00:06:00,700 --> 00:06:02,166 -Absolutely. -[Levy] You told that to them? 127 00:06:02,233 --> 00:06:03,734 -Correct. -[Levy] Hm. 128 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,200 I don't want to hear you. I got nothin' to say to you. 129 00:06:06,266 --> 00:06:08,066 I want to hear from him. Go on. 130 00:06:08,133 --> 00:06:10,233 [Zack] Once we installed the new set of injectors, 131 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:13,333 a used fuel injection control module, trying to save some money. 132 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,066 We did a high-pressure oil pump, which was also not working properly. 133 00:06:17,133 --> 00:06:19,533 Then we did a fuel lift pump. These parts, 134 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,266 one of them was not noted on the invoice because we were trying to help. 135 00:06:23,332 --> 00:06:26,700 They had $4,000 to work with. My repair would've been $12,000, 136 00:06:26,767 --> 00:06:28,567 but I knew they were in a tight spot. 137 00:06:28,633 --> 00:06:31,900 I wanted to fix the truck so they could at least use it or sell it. 138 00:06:31,967 --> 00:06:34,633 So, we did everything in our power to make it run. 139 00:06:34,700 --> 00:06:38,467 But it was not correct. The truck needed a lot of work. 140 00:06:38,533 --> 00:06:41,332 If I understand your testimony, you provided the defendants 141 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,000 with a list of items that needed to be fixed, 142 00:06:44,066 --> 00:06:47,500 including new head gaskets. They ignored your recommendation. 143 00:06:47,567 --> 00:06:48,667 It was declined. 144 00:06:48,734 --> 00:06:51,033 -It was gonna cost an extra $8,000. -Correct. 145 00:06:51,100 --> 00:06:53,567 And they fixed none of the engine problems, and instead 146 00:06:53,633 --> 00:06:57,667 only authorized repairs to the truck so that it could get running and sold. 147 00:06:57,734 --> 00:06:59,533 -Correct. -[Levy] Did you tell them 148 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,567 that the truck should not be driven with a blown head gasket? 149 00:07:02,633 --> 00:07:03,667 Yes. 150 00:07:03,734 --> 00:07:06,633 [Levy] And did you tell them the truck was not safe to drive? 151 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:08,900 -Yes. -Why would he lie? 152 00:07:08,967 --> 00:07:10,800 I don't know, Your Honor. 153 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:13,200 Um, this is for Mr. Hefflin. 154 00:07:13,266 --> 00:07:17,266 I never received a list of the repairs that needed to be done. 155 00:07:17,332 --> 00:07:19,367 He called me and talked to me… 156 00:07:19,433 --> 00:07:21,700 He's not telling you he gave you a written list. 157 00:07:21,767 --> 00:07:23,633 He says that he told you verbally. 158 00:07:23,700 --> 00:07:26,300 He told you verbally, the truck should not be driven 159 00:07:26,367 --> 00:07:29,300 with a blown head gasket. It's not safe to drive. 160 00:07:29,367 --> 00:07:32,500 You simply want to get it running so that you could sell it. 161 00:07:32,567 --> 00:07:33,834 -Right? -[Zack] Correct. 162 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:36,266 In addition to that… Sorry, if I may go ahead… 163 00:07:36,332 --> 00:07:37,400 And there's more? 164 00:07:37,467 --> 00:07:38,300 -Yes. -[chuckles] 165 00:07:38,367 --> 00:07:43,834 When the truck was driven under light circumstances, there presented no issues. 166 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:47,967 When the truck was driven on the highway under high load, 167 00:07:48,033 --> 00:07:51,933 three-quarter throttle, for example, the turbo would surge. 168 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,266 That was made known. But that's only known out on the highway 169 00:07:56,332 --> 00:08:00,500 and under hard load and acceleration. Once you get back stopped, 170 00:08:00,567 --> 00:08:02,567 the coolant bottle has so much pressure 171 00:08:02,633 --> 00:08:04,633 that coolant will puke out onto the ground. 172 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:06,867 And did you tell them that turbo was bad? 173 00:08:06,934 --> 00:08:09,533 -[Zack] Yes. -Yes! Engine problem, bad. 174 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,367 Turbo, bad. Head gaskets, bad. 175 00:08:12,433 --> 00:08:17,500 Now, Judge Acker made it very clear, used car, buyer beware. 176 00:08:17,567 --> 00:08:21,200 You're stuck unless you can prove fraud. 177 00:08:21,266 --> 00:08:25,300 Such as, there were no engine problems that existed prior to the sale. 178 00:08:25,367 --> 00:08:27,967 That the sellers were aware of those problems. 179 00:08:28,033 --> 00:08:31,633 The sellers intentionally hid those problems. 180 00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,400 And the sellers made false statements 181 00:08:35,467 --> 00:08:38,933 regarding those problems that persuaded you, sir, 182 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,332 to buy that vehicle. That is fraud. 183 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,667 Were you persuaded to buy the vehicle 184 00:08:44,734 --> 00:08:47,734 based upon their now known misrepresentations 185 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,367 regarding the major engine problems? 186 00:08:50,433 --> 00:08:51,433 Yes, Your Honor. 187 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:53,400 -I'm done. -[pen clatters] 188 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:55,300 You should be ashamed of yourselves. 189 00:08:56,033 --> 00:09:00,500 Remember, Aubrey, I said that you would do better saying less. 190 00:09:00,567 --> 00:09:01,967 -Yeah. -[Acker] And that includes 191 00:09:02,033 --> 00:09:04,367 -the initial transaction. -Yeah, correct. 192 00:09:04,433 --> 00:09:07,900 Because I have something that I'm a little concerned about too. 193 00:09:07,967 --> 00:09:13,266 And that is, in your ad, you said that the truck had 152,000 miles. 194 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:14,667 [Aubrey] Yes, correct. 195 00:09:14,734 --> 00:09:17,767 But what the two of you may not know is 196 00:09:17,834 --> 00:09:20,433 that our team does some independent research. 197 00:09:20,500 --> 00:09:23,667 And they pulled up a Carfax, and the Carfax shows 198 00:09:23,734 --> 00:09:26,133 that the last reported odometer reading 199 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,800 was 362,000 miles. 200 00:09:30,867 --> 00:09:33,533 So, how do you explain that discrepancy? 201 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,734 [dramatic music playing] 202 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,066 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice… 203 00:09:37,133 --> 00:09:41,633 If these things were wrong with the truck, we were misled as well, 204 00:09:41,700 --> 00:09:44,600 because I would've never put my children 205 00:09:44,667 --> 00:09:46,467 in an unsafe vehicle. 206 00:09:49,266 --> 00:09:51,000 [theme music playing] 207 00:09:51,066 --> 00:09:54,066 [narrator] Defendants Aubrey Bogosian and her mom, Alyssa Busser, 208 00:09:54,133 --> 00:09:57,333 are being sued by Justin Robinson for $10,000. 209 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,533 Justin claims the defendants lied about the condition of a truck 210 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,633 he bought from them, but Aubrey says 211 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:07,333 Justin came, saw, and bought the truck as-is, so they owe nothing. 212 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,533 What the two of you may not know is 213 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,800 that our team does some independent research. 214 00:10:11,867 --> 00:10:15,300 And they pulled up a Carfax, and the Carfax shows 215 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:17,667 that the last reported odometer reading 216 00:10:17,734 --> 00:10:22,400 was 362,000 miles. 217 00:10:22,467 --> 00:10:24,900 So, how do you explain that discrepancy? 218 00:10:24,967 --> 00:10:27,934 When I got the vehicle, it had about 150,000. 219 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,834 [Acker] Where'd you get it from? You said it was gifted… 220 00:10:30,900 --> 00:10:33,667 I got it from my father. He got it from an auction 221 00:10:33,734 --> 00:10:35,467 probably two years before I had it. 222 00:10:35,533 --> 00:10:37,667 [Acker] But you understand what's going on here? 223 00:10:37,734 --> 00:10:39,800 Like, it all looks really bad. 224 00:10:39,867 --> 00:10:42,667 And, Mom, did you have some way of refuting that? 225 00:10:42,734 --> 00:10:45,967 -Because it's pretty compelling testimony. -[Alyssa] Mm-hmm. 226 00:10:46,033 --> 00:10:48,333 [Acker] It's hard for me to get my head around 227 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,233 why he would just show up and lie. 228 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:52,800 So, how do you explain that? It's troubling. 229 00:10:52,867 --> 00:10:56,967 Uh, for one, Aubrey really never spoke to Mr. Hefflin. 230 00:10:57,033 --> 00:10:59,867 I spoke to Mr. Hefflin. The only time… 231 00:10:59,934 --> 00:11:01,567 So much the worse. You're Mom. 232 00:11:01,633 --> 00:11:04,100 …she spoke to him is when we picked up the truck. 233 00:11:04,166 --> 00:11:08,400 And, um, he told her, in front of me, to her face, 234 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:11,367 "You do not have to sell this truck if you do not want to. 235 00:11:11,433 --> 00:11:14,800 This is a good truck. It has a lot of good parts on it." 236 00:11:14,867 --> 00:11:17,300 He said that to my daughter, to the point 237 00:11:17,367 --> 00:11:20,467 where she felt like she didn't need to sell the truck anymore, 238 00:11:20,533 --> 00:11:23,834 and she was conflicted. And that's why she cried 239 00:11:23,900 --> 00:11:27,166 the day that Mr. Robinson was coming to get the truck, 240 00:11:27,233 --> 00:11:29,300 because she genuinely loved the truck. 241 00:11:29,367 --> 00:11:32,200 Now, if these things were wrong with the truck, 242 00:11:32,266 --> 00:11:36,900 we were misled as well. Um, 100% misled. 243 00:11:36,967 --> 00:11:41,266 Because Mr. Hefflin, what he projected to us 244 00:11:41,333 --> 00:11:43,600 was that the truck could be bulletproof 245 00:11:43,667 --> 00:11:46,200 and there would never be a head gasket issue. 246 00:11:46,266 --> 00:11:50,533 He never specifically said, the head gasket is blown, 247 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,100 the head gasket has a problem. If that was the issue, 248 00:11:54,165 --> 00:11:57,066 then why did he go through all these other efforts 249 00:11:57,133 --> 00:12:00,266 of trying to figure out what was wrong with the truck, 250 00:12:00,333 --> 00:12:02,100 you know, in between there? 251 00:12:02,166 --> 00:12:04,600 Okay, I'm gonna stop you there, and I'm gonna let you, 252 00:12:04,667 --> 00:12:06,800 or rather your witness, have the last word. 253 00:12:06,867 --> 00:12:08,367 'Cause it's still your burden of proof. 254 00:12:08,433 --> 00:12:11,633 I did. I said that this would be a good truck 255 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:13,633 if it had the head gaskets done. 256 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:15,433 And to speak to the bulletproofing, 257 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:18,300 that is a slang term used for doing head gaskets. 258 00:12:18,367 --> 00:12:20,166 They're not two separate repairs. 259 00:12:20,233 --> 00:12:23,200 I'm not aware of that. 260 00:12:23,266 --> 00:12:27,433 He was not very clear on that the truck needed a head gasket. 261 00:12:27,500 --> 00:12:30,834 He stated that a friend of his had a truck like that 262 00:12:30,900 --> 00:12:33,834 for many, many years with lots of high mileage 263 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:38,100 that has never had a issue, so it would be fine if we didn't do it. 264 00:12:38,165 --> 00:12:40,834 -Okay. -Mr. Hefflin knew my teenage daughter 265 00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:43,567 was driving that vehicle every day with not only her 266 00:12:43,633 --> 00:12:46,133 but my other three children in the vehicle every day. 267 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,433 Okay, okay. 268 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:50,967 If he knew it was unsafe, being a father himself, 269 00:12:51,033 --> 00:12:54,467 I sure hope he would've pointed out, "Hey, Ms. Busser, 270 00:12:54,533 --> 00:12:57,734 this vehicle is unsafe." Because I would've never 271 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,834 put my children in an unsafe vehicle. 272 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:02,767 -Okay. -[Alyssa] And that's the fact of it. 273 00:13:02,834 --> 00:13:04,033 All right. Judge. 274 00:13:04,100 --> 00:13:07,734 Thank you. I'm just curious, you know he has a family and all. 275 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,667 So, why when you were first asked, do you know him, 276 00:13:10,734 --> 00:13:12,467 why did you both say no? 277 00:13:12,533 --> 00:13:14,066 We didn't know him before. 278 00:13:14,133 --> 00:13:16,700 We don't know him. We live in a very small town. 279 00:13:16,767 --> 00:13:19,633 I think Judge Levy said, have you ever heard of him? 280 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:20,700 Do you know him? 281 00:13:20,767 --> 00:13:22,900 -We said yes, ma'am. We did say yes. -[DiMango] No. 282 00:13:22,967 --> 00:13:25,467 Did I see anybody say yes? I never saw a yes. 283 00:13:25,533 --> 00:13:27,800 You know they're lying when their mouths are moving. 284 00:13:27,867 --> 00:13:29,400 Ma'am, you both said no. 285 00:13:29,467 --> 00:13:31,567 -Not on a personal level. -That's enough. 286 00:13:31,633 --> 00:13:33,734 So, I'm gonna go back to you, Aubrey. 287 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,066 How long did you have that vehicle not working? 288 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:39,000 Like, before I took it to the shop? 289 00:13:39,066 --> 00:13:41,066 -Yeah. -[Aubrey] Like… 290 00:13:41,133 --> 00:13:42,200 a few months. 291 00:13:42,266 --> 00:13:44,000 [DiMango] A few months. 'Cause you had the car 292 00:13:44,066 --> 00:13:47,165 according to what you told us, your father bought it at auction 293 00:13:47,233 --> 00:13:49,834 -two years before that. -Yeah, I'm pretty sure. 294 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:53,734 And in those two years, you only put on 2,000 miles? 295 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,900 We didn't ever drive it that often. 296 00:13:55,967 --> 00:13:58,533 -When I got it… -[DiMango] It wasn't working. 297 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,200 We live a mile from our school. 298 00:14:00,266 --> 00:14:02,867 -[DiMango] Aubrey? -My school is right around the corner 299 00:14:02,934 --> 00:14:03,934 and that's where I drove it. 300 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,367 Okay. So, that brings me to you. 301 00:14:06,433 --> 00:14:09,266 Because I'm guessing that if you said to her, 302 00:14:09,333 --> 00:14:11,133 'cause most mechanics ask those questions, 303 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,734 what do you use the car for? 304 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,333 And if she said to you, I use it to go back and forth from school, 305 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,934 then you would've been correct if you said to her, 306 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,400 then you can keep this car as long as you want, 307 00:14:22,467 --> 00:14:24,166 if that's all you're using it for. 308 00:14:24,233 --> 00:14:26,433 Would that be an accurate statement by me? 309 00:14:26,500 --> 00:14:29,600 Hm, no. The reason I say that is 310 00:14:29,667 --> 00:14:33,967 it is hurting the heads to drive it like that. It will crack them further. 311 00:14:34,033 --> 00:14:37,133 So, it is okay to drive, 312 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,367 but it will have more issues when driven like that. 313 00:14:40,433 --> 00:14:44,567 I still think it's a solid truck if it had the head gasket job done. 314 00:14:44,633 --> 00:14:48,033 I do, I mean, three of these a month. 315 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:52,867 It's a routine job for this pickup. It's just $12,000. 316 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:55,033 However you cut it, it's $12,000. 317 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:58,500 But that truck will run for 100,000 miles after that repair. 318 00:14:58,567 --> 00:15:01,333 Did you ever tell her that she couldn't use it on the highway, 319 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,667 the way it was repaired? 320 00:15:02,734 --> 00:15:03,767 No. 321 00:15:03,834 --> 00:15:09,333 I told them specifically, that the truck was not ready to go down the road, period. 322 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,500 So, they could drive it on the highway if they wanted to. 323 00:15:12,567 --> 00:15:16,133 That's not my… That's not my spot to make an assessment. 324 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,600 [DiMango] That's it. We're gonna retire to deliberate. Thank you. 325 00:15:19,667 --> 00:15:22,800 Court is now in recess. Parties will be recalled. 326 00:15:22,867 --> 00:15:25,000 [dramatic music playing] 327 00:15:28,266 --> 00:15:30,200 [theme music playing] 328 00:15:31,467 --> 00:15:34,033 Bald-face liars. 329 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:38,400 I mean, the mom was a co-conspirator in committing that fraud. 330 00:15:38,467 --> 00:15:41,934 What is she teaching her daughter? I mean, her dad's in prison. 331 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,200 Her mother is telling her it's okay to lie and commit outright fraud. 332 00:15:46,266 --> 00:15:50,500 Grand larceny. What she did was grand larceny. 333 00:15:50,567 --> 00:15:52,934 I mean, it is absolutely insane. 334 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,633 But for the fact that we were able to secure the testimony 335 00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,500 of that mechanic, Mr. Hefflin, 336 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:02,800 who I believe was super impressive… 337 00:16:02,867 --> 00:16:05,000 -He was good. -Super impressive! 338 00:16:05,066 --> 00:16:06,200 He was good. 339 00:16:06,266 --> 00:16:10,000 We would've been in a position to say "as-is" sale. 340 00:16:10,066 --> 00:16:11,233 Insane. 341 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:15,000 Now, he bought the truck from them for $15,000. 342 00:16:15,066 --> 00:16:17,567 He sold it for $6,000. 343 00:16:17,633 --> 00:16:21,867 My math… erhh… $9,000 is what is damage. 344 00:16:21,934 --> 00:16:26,633 I would award him ten, and give him $1,000 for punitive damages 345 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:29,734 based upon the outright lies and the fraud 346 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,867 that not only that the two of those people committed 347 00:16:32,934 --> 00:16:36,367 when they sold the truck to him, but the fraud on the court. 348 00:16:36,433 --> 00:16:39,165 [Acker] I'm troubled by the evidence that came out. 349 00:16:39,233 --> 00:16:42,266 And good on the plaintiff for having his case together, 350 00:16:42,333 --> 00:16:45,333 because he had an almost insurmountable burden. 351 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,100 I mean, it is very rare that we unwind a used car sale. 352 00:16:50,165 --> 00:16:52,133 But I think based on these facts, 353 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,734 and the facts that our own team uncovered about that Carfax, 354 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,533 which showed that the last reported odometer reading 355 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,000 was almost twice as many miles as the defendants represented. 356 00:17:02,066 --> 00:17:04,433 So, I have no problem with the $10,000 verdict. 357 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:06,300 Oh, I have no problem with it either. 358 00:17:06,367 --> 00:17:09,367 I think that there were misrepresentations by the defendant 359 00:17:09,433 --> 00:17:11,934 to the plaintiff when he was making the purchase. 360 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,066 I think that a lot of this was done way under the cover, 361 00:17:15,133 --> 00:17:19,666 based on the timing of the whole situation by the crying, the whole theatrics. 362 00:17:19,733 --> 00:17:22,165 But on the other hand, I think that what we were doing 363 00:17:22,233 --> 00:17:24,165 with the plaintiff is a lesson learned. 364 00:17:24,233 --> 00:17:25,233 -Mm-hmm. -Mm-hmm. 365 00:17:25,300 --> 00:17:28,266 You can't buy a used car at 9:30 at night, 366 00:17:28,333 --> 00:17:31,467 negotiating prices before you even see it, 367 00:17:31,533 --> 00:17:34,033 come across desperate because you want it, 368 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,033 not verify the information that you're being given, 369 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:40,900 that there was a mechanic that was warranting the work that was done. 370 00:17:40,967 --> 00:17:44,667 So, I think that our Plaintiff, who might've been shooting from the hip 371 00:17:44,734 --> 00:17:47,700 on a lot of prior car sales, learned here the hard way 372 00:17:47,767 --> 00:17:50,867 that this was not the way to make a used car purchase. 373 00:17:50,934 --> 00:17:55,734 I don't care how cute, little and young the seller appears to be. 374 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,266 Sometimes, looks are deceiving. And in this case, the truck looked good, 375 00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:03,233 she looked credible, but they were both being deceitful and lying. 376 00:18:03,300 --> 00:18:06,633 This is fraud at the inception. And when there's fraud at the inception, 377 00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:09,967 it's our job to unwind the deal. Ten thousand seems fine. 378 00:18:10,033 --> 00:18:11,367 [Levy] Thank you. 379 00:18:15,233 --> 00:18:16,433 Court is back in session. 380 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,667 Parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 381 00:18:18,734 --> 00:18:20,066 [Levy] Thank you, Cassandra. 382 00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:24,467 We have deliberated, and we have reached a unanimous verdict. 383 00:18:24,533 --> 00:18:27,700 First, thank you, sir, Mr. Hefflin, for coming in 384 00:18:27,767 --> 00:18:31,166 and testifying, and informing and enlightening the court 385 00:18:31,233 --> 00:18:34,834 as to the truth and the facts behind this case. 386 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:38,834 But for your testimony, this case, and I think that you know this, sir, 387 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:41,100 would've turned out much differently. You understand that. 388 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:42,700 Yes, sir. Yes, Your Honor. 389 00:18:42,767 --> 00:18:45,233 [Levy] Now, Ms. Bogosian and Ms. Busser, 390 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:47,633 I'm gonna give you a little bit of free legal advice 391 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:49,467 from a former district attorney. 392 00:18:49,533 --> 00:18:52,033 And I know that this is probably gonna hit home to you 393 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:54,467 because of where your dad is right now. 394 00:18:54,533 --> 00:18:55,567 Mm-hmm. 395 00:18:55,633 --> 00:19:00,266 What the two of you did was grand larceny by trick 396 00:19:00,333 --> 00:19:02,533 based upon the fraud that you committed 397 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,867 by selling that truck and making material misrepresentations 398 00:19:06,934 --> 00:19:09,600 to fool an innocent purchaser. 399 00:19:09,667 --> 00:19:14,400 And you did it for money. And you, ma'am, as the mother, 400 00:19:14,467 --> 00:19:18,033 to act as a co-conspirator with your teenage child. 401 00:19:18,100 --> 00:19:20,633 If this case happened when she was 17, 402 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:22,433 and the authorities found out about it, 403 00:19:22,500 --> 00:19:24,600 Child Protective Services would be involved. 404 00:19:24,667 --> 00:19:26,166 You'd be dealing with them. 405 00:19:26,233 --> 00:19:30,533 Now, you were suing for the jurisdictional maximum of $10,000. 406 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,266 Here's the problem with that. You bought it for $15,000. 407 00:19:34,333 --> 00:19:38,333 You sold it for $6,000. That leaves $9,000. 408 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,867 -Right? -Yes, Your Honor. 409 00:19:39,934 --> 00:19:44,700 But the court has decided that based upon your egregious conduct, 410 00:19:44,767 --> 00:19:47,567 not just by committing fraud against him, 411 00:19:47,633 --> 00:19:51,867 but coming into this court and committing fraud on the court 412 00:19:51,934 --> 00:19:54,900 that punitive damages are appropriate. 413 00:19:54,967 --> 00:19:59,367 A thousand dollars. So, it is the unanimous verdict of this court, 414 00:19:59,433 --> 00:20:02,567 judgment in favor of the plaintiff for $10,000. 415 00:20:02,633 --> 00:20:04,967 Good luck to you, sir. Do better. 416 00:20:05,033 --> 00:20:07,433 -[gavel bangs] -[Justin] Thank you, Your Honors. 417 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:09,934 [Britt] This case has concluded. All parties are excused. 418 00:20:13,700 --> 00:20:17,100 The image of my daughter right now is very incorrect. 419 00:20:17,166 --> 00:20:19,467 She's a very honest human. 420 00:20:19,533 --> 00:20:23,333 Once I realized on messenger, she just blocked me, it wasn't gonna go that way. 421 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,567 There was a lot of lies told in the courtroom today, 422 00:20:25,633 --> 00:20:26,867 and they were not by us. 423 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:29,433 Verbal agreements should always be written down. 424 00:20:29,500 --> 00:20:32,500 We would've never ripped somebody off in that manner. 425 00:20:32,567 --> 00:20:34,333 Oh, I feel like I got stabbed in the stomach. 426 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,533 Mr. Hefflin, um, was not very clear on the facts. 427 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,633 I was trying to help. I gave them a discount. 428 00:20:40,700 --> 00:20:42,533 And it bit me in the ass. 429 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,300 -No. -I'm glad it's over. 430 00:20:44,367 --> 00:20:46,834 She might sell used cars, but I will not. 431 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:48,066 I will. 432 00:20:48,133 --> 00:20:49,967 Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. 433 00:20:50,033 --> 00:20:51,734 [narrator] Have you been scammed? 434 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,967 Let the majority rule in your favor on Tribunal Justice. 435 00:20:56,033 --> 00:20:58,066 Find us on social media. 436 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,467 [theme music playing]