1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,767 You decided to move out. 2 00:00:01,834 --> 00:00:04,100 He got back one night, drunk again. 3 00:00:04,166 --> 00:00:05,667 Essentially tries to fight me. 4 00:00:05,734 --> 00:00:07,200 Do you have a drinking problem? 5 00:00:07,266 --> 00:00:08,533 When I'm around him, I do. 6 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,967 He actually punched my windshield. 7 00:00:11,033 --> 00:00:13,600 He was driving and hitting me at the same time. 8 00:00:13,667 --> 00:00:15,967 And instead of hitting him, I hit his window. 9 00:00:16,033 --> 00:00:17,467 Why would you call his mother? 10 00:00:17,533 --> 00:00:19,166 He actually had blocked me. 11 00:00:19,233 --> 00:00:21,166 [Acker] You've known each other since sixth grade, 12 00:00:21,233 --> 00:00:23,834 and you still think you're in kindergarten. Grow up. 13 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:26,400 [narrator] Now, on Tribunal Justice… 14 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 [main theme playing] 15 00:00:48,533 --> 00:00:51,333 [narrator] Today's case was filed in Clayton, Missouri. 16 00:00:52,433 --> 00:00:56,367 Your Honor, this is case #3059, Yungermann vs. Cline. 17 00:00:56,433 --> 00:00:58,834 All parties have been sworn in. You may be seated. 18 00:00:58,900 --> 00:01:00,967 -[Levy] Thank you. -[Britt] You're welcome. 19 00:01:01,033 --> 00:01:03,934 Mr. Yungermann, you and the defendant were former best friends. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Uh, yes, sir. 21 00:01:05,266 --> 00:01:07,400 You rented a two-bedroom apartment, according to your complaint. 22 00:01:07,467 --> 00:01:09,600 -Correct. -[Levy] You both signed a lease. 23 00:01:09,667 --> 00:01:14,166 So, you are suing the defendant for $3,632 for back rent 24 00:01:14,233 --> 00:01:17,967 and late fees, because he did not pay his share of the rent 25 00:01:18,033 --> 00:01:21,800 for the last three months of the lease that you two had together. 26 00:01:21,867 --> 00:01:23,400 -Correct? -Correct. 27 00:01:23,467 --> 00:01:26,300 Now, Mr. Cline, you acknowledge, according to your answer, 28 00:01:26,367 --> 00:01:28,900 that you did not pay the rent for the last three months, 29 00:01:28,967 --> 00:01:31,467 but claim that you don't owe the plaintiff anything 30 00:01:31,533 --> 00:01:34,767 because you never asked him to cover those three months' rent. 31 00:01:34,834 --> 00:01:35,834 Yes. 32 00:01:35,900 --> 00:01:37,866 Mr. Yungermann, you're the plaintiff. Your burden of proof. 33 00:01:37,934 --> 00:01:40,934 Can you tell us how long you and the defendant have known each other? 34 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,767 Uh, yeah, so, we met, I want to say, in maybe like sixth grade. 35 00:01:45,834 --> 00:01:49,265 Um, we actually roomed together freshman year of college. 36 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:52,433 He actually dropped out, so he left a little bit early. 37 00:01:52,500 --> 00:01:53,834 I stayed, got my degree. 38 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:59,033 And then, the plan originally was to move into a house. 39 00:01:59,100 --> 00:02:02,266 But kind of, honestly, the same situation happened then. 40 00:02:02,333 --> 00:02:04,533 [Levy] Okay, before we get into the situation, 41 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:05,834 -Sure, sure. -That's just the history. 42 00:02:05,900 --> 00:02:07,900 Mr. Cline, do you agree with everything he's said? 43 00:02:07,967 --> 00:02:09,633 Is there anything that's inaccurate? 44 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:11,800 We met each other in second grade. 45 00:02:11,867 --> 00:02:13,700 -[Levy] Second grade. -Not sixth grade. 46 00:02:13,767 --> 00:02:15,800 [Louis] I don't believe that is accurate at all. 47 00:02:15,867 --> 00:02:17,966 Suffice it to say, it's been a real long time. 48 00:02:18,033 --> 00:02:19,900 We might've known each other kind of, 49 00:02:19,966 --> 00:02:22,166 but we weren't really friends in second grade. 50 00:02:22,233 --> 00:02:25,400 That's okay. When was it that you guys signed this lease together? 51 00:02:25,466 --> 00:02:29,767 Uh, it was like in August of '23. 52 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:32,033 [Levy] Twenty-three. And just so we're all clear, 53 00:02:32,100 --> 00:02:35,667 according to the lease you provided, it was August 16th, 2023, 54 00:02:35,734 --> 00:02:38,233 to August 15th, 2024. 55 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,066 And how much was the rent? 56 00:02:40,133 --> 00:02:41,567 I think it was $1,480. 57 00:02:41,633 --> 00:02:42,966 [Levy] How about $1,448? 58 00:02:43,033 --> 00:02:44,033 That sounds, yeah. 59 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:46,300 And there were monthly expenses with that as well, 60 00:02:46,367 --> 00:02:48,033 -that were tacked onto that. -[Louis] Correct. 61 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:50,600 There was a pet fee. He had a dog. 62 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:51,800 [Levy] What kind of dog? 63 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:53,266 -Chocolate Lab. -[Levy] All right. 64 00:02:53,333 --> 00:02:57,500 It was a $50 pet fee, I think, $40 or $50. 65 00:02:57,567 --> 00:03:00,967 And then, he paid an additional $100 each month. 66 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:05,200 And that was just due to him having a much larger room than me. 67 00:03:05,266 --> 00:03:09,567 So, would it be fair to say the split was $624 a month from you, 68 00:03:09,633 --> 00:03:13,900 $824 from the defendant. And then, on top of that 69 00:03:13,967 --> 00:03:16,567 -were the additional utility fees. -Correct. 70 00:03:16,633 --> 00:03:20,400 And Mr. Cline, with respect to the rent, how was it that you were paying the rent? 71 00:03:20,466 --> 00:03:25,100 Uh, I started out paying from my card onto the app. 72 00:03:25,166 --> 00:03:28,867 Once I missed a few payments, they didn't allow me to do that, 73 00:03:28,934 --> 00:03:31,767 so then I started paying with a cashier's check. 74 00:03:31,834 --> 00:03:34,133 [Levy] And there were a couple of bounced checks, as well. 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,166 -Well, no. No checks bounced from me. -[Levy] None. 76 00:03:37,233 --> 00:03:39,900 Only direct payments I made from the app. 77 00:03:39,966 --> 00:03:42,466 A direct deposit that there was insufficient funds? 78 00:03:42,533 --> 00:03:43,800 -Correct. -[Levy] I understand. 79 00:03:43,867 --> 00:03:47,500 Okay, so Mr. Yungermann, you signed the lease in August, 2023. 80 00:03:47,567 --> 00:03:50,066 You move in. Things go pretty well in the beginning? 81 00:03:50,133 --> 00:03:55,300 No. The first day Andrew actually moved into the unit, 82 00:03:55,367 --> 00:03:57,834 we were hangin' out, you know, drinkin' some beers, 83 00:03:57,900 --> 00:04:02,367 watchin' TV. He left the room, and one of my other friends called me. 84 00:04:02,433 --> 00:04:05,266 He comes back in while I'm on the phone with my other friend 85 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,834 and starts getting mad at me because I tried to make plans 86 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:10,567 basically with my other friend group. And he didn't like that. 87 00:04:10,633 --> 00:04:12,667 He's like, I just thought we were gonna hang out tonight. 88 00:04:12,734 --> 00:04:14,133 He was gettin' all upset about it. 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,867 Then ultimately, it led to us going out that night. 90 00:04:16,934 --> 00:04:20,500 And he actually punched my windshield, and cracked it and broke it, 91 00:04:20,567 --> 00:04:22,367 and I had to pay to get it replaced. 92 00:04:22,433 --> 00:04:23,900 [Levy] And what month was this? 93 00:04:23,967 --> 00:04:25,100 [Louis] August. 94 00:04:25,166 --> 00:04:27,166 [Levy] At the time, between August and December, 95 00:04:27,233 --> 00:04:28,467 -were you employed? -Correct. 96 00:04:28,533 --> 00:04:30,800 [Levy] How were you supporting yourself? What were you doing? 97 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:33,767 -Uh, logistics. -I'm not exactly sure what that is. 98 00:04:33,834 --> 00:04:35,200 But that's okay, you had a job. 99 00:04:35,266 --> 00:04:36,834 -Yep. Still have the same job. -All right. 100 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:39,200 Mr. Cline, August to December of '23. Employed? 101 00:04:39,266 --> 00:04:40,900 -[Andrew] Yes. -What were you doing? 102 00:04:40,967 --> 00:04:43,300 I was running a full-service car wash. 103 00:04:43,367 --> 00:04:45,800 Were you working there? You were running it as a manager? 104 00:04:45,867 --> 00:04:47,000 Yes. 105 00:04:47,066 --> 00:04:50,166 The car wash position we was alluding to, he actually got fired from. 106 00:04:50,233 --> 00:04:52,433 He didn't just willingly leave. 107 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,367 -Can I explain? -[Levy] Of course. 108 00:04:54,433 --> 00:04:58,433 So, when I was working for the full-service car wash, 109 00:04:58,500 --> 00:05:01,834 I worked there up until January 10th, actually. 110 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:06,133 The reason it was January 10th was because the original employer I had 111 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,867 was also a express car wash. 112 00:05:08,934 --> 00:05:13,300 -I signed a non-compete with them, yes. -Non-compete? 113 00:05:13,367 --> 00:05:15,734 We ended up going to court on January 10th. 114 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,332 I agreed to quit my job from the full-service car wash, 115 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,567 resulting in me not having a job from January 10th on. 116 00:05:23,633 --> 00:05:27,734 Okay. Was there ever an allegation that you were acting inappropriately, 117 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,233 -or that you failed to perform any duties? -No. 118 00:05:30,300 --> 00:05:33,433 I quit that job. I got another job afterwards, 119 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:36,867 and then they sued me for the non-compete… 120 00:05:36,933 --> 00:05:39,300 The most important thing that I'm hearing, though, 121 00:05:39,367 --> 00:05:41,834 is that you were not fired for cause. 122 00:05:41,900 --> 00:05:43,332 -No. -[Louis] That's a lie. 123 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,700 He was fired. He worked for two separate car washes. 124 00:05:47,767 --> 00:05:50,200 He says one thing, you say another. 125 00:05:50,266 --> 00:05:51,933 -I know it's a credibility issue. -Sure. 126 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,300 [Levy] Maybe we'll figure it out, maybe we won't. 127 00:05:54,367 --> 00:05:56,700 I want to focus on the money issue right now. 128 00:05:56,767 --> 00:06:00,433 -Because you have $3,632 at risk. -[Louis] Okay. 129 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:03,567 So, the money issue started around the time, 130 00:06:03,633 --> 00:06:07,000 I think, November to January, somewhere in that time period. 131 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:10,166 Because he was working at the first car wash 132 00:06:10,233 --> 00:06:13,333 when we moved in together, and then he got fired from there. 133 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,300 He actually came into the apartment and said, "It finally happened, 134 00:06:16,367 --> 00:06:18,734 they finally fired me." He wasn't getting a paycheck, 135 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,000 -so he was just working temp jobs. -Okay. 136 00:06:22,066 --> 00:06:25,533 Temp jobs just wasn't enough to cover the rent on time sometimes. 137 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,800 So then, I, um, covered the portion of it, his portion, 138 00:06:29,867 --> 00:06:32,233 -and he would pay me back later on. -Okay. 139 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:36,367 And then, he did find the other, second car wash job 140 00:06:36,433 --> 00:06:39,633 around like mid-December to January. 141 00:06:39,700 --> 00:06:43,200 Then, once he started getting paychecks for that, it got more consistent again. 142 00:06:43,266 --> 00:06:45,266 But then, the non-compete thing happened 143 00:06:45,332 --> 00:06:48,433 because of his original car wash job that he got fired from, 144 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:50,900 sued him, or sued for the non-compete, 145 00:06:50,967 --> 00:06:54,667 and they had to settle that in court before he could start working there again. 146 00:06:54,734 --> 00:06:56,066 I get it. Fine. 147 00:06:56,133 --> 00:06:58,834 But the most important thing, of all of what you just said, 148 00:06:58,900 --> 00:07:01,467 is that it was not for cause. Right? 149 00:07:01,533 --> 00:07:02,667 -Correct. -[Levy] Fine. 150 00:07:02,734 --> 00:07:06,033 Now, there were some personal problems that you had with the defendant, 151 00:07:06,100 --> 00:07:09,867 according to your complaint between January and February of 2024. 152 00:07:09,934 --> 00:07:11,266 -Correct. -Go ahead. 153 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:17,166 So, we went out for New Year's Eve, and Andrew was very intoxicated. 154 00:07:17,233 --> 00:07:18,533 I mean, it was New Year's Eve. 155 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,367 I had multiple people coming up to me that night, my friends, 156 00:07:21,433 --> 00:07:24,166 saying he seemed aggressive. He was trying to fight people. 157 00:07:24,233 --> 00:07:25,967 I know. Hearsay, not really interested. 158 00:07:26,033 --> 00:07:31,300 Sure. Get back to the room, Andrew pushes me on the ground. 159 00:07:31,367 --> 00:07:33,133 Essentially tries to fight me. 160 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,700 I just go in my room, go to bed. 161 00:07:35,767 --> 00:07:38,633 And then, I decide just from that situation, 162 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:42,000 and kind of all the other situations about him punching out my window, 163 00:07:42,066 --> 00:07:44,200 the other arguments we got in, I'm just like, 164 00:07:44,266 --> 00:07:46,700 I don't really want to talk to him anymore. 165 00:07:46,767 --> 00:07:50,100 Got it. And Mr. Cline, did something happen on New Year's Eve… 166 00:07:50,166 --> 00:07:53,000 Can I just touch on the whole window thing? 167 00:07:53,066 --> 00:07:56,533 The reason that happened is 'cause he was literally hitting me. 168 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,567 He was driving and hitting me at the same time, 169 00:07:59,633 --> 00:08:02,734 saying, you annoy the… out of me. I hate you! 170 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,233 And instead of hitting him, I hit his window. 171 00:08:05,300 --> 00:08:06,967 I got it. Let's go to something… 172 00:08:07,033 --> 00:08:09,867 He acts like he never does anything wrong and it's always me. 173 00:08:09,934 --> 00:08:12,400 It's gonna be a common thing going on here. 174 00:08:12,467 --> 00:08:13,967 [dramatic music playing] 175 00:08:14,033 --> 00:08:16,300 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice… 176 00:08:16,367 --> 00:08:18,800 You signed a lease. You don't get to not pay a lease 177 00:08:18,867 --> 00:08:20,400 'cause you got mad at your friend. 178 00:08:20,467 --> 00:08:22,667 You don't get to go swearing at somebody's mother 179 00:08:22,734 --> 00:08:24,700 'cause he's drunk and starts beating on you. 180 00:08:27,767 --> 00:08:29,433 [main theme playing] 181 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:32,133 [narrator] Louis Yungermann is suing childhood friend 182 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,567 and roommate Andrew Cline for $3,600 in rent and late fees. 183 00:08:36,633 --> 00:08:40,500 But Andrew says if he owes anyone money, it's the landlord, not Louis, 184 00:08:40,567 --> 00:08:44,066 and that Louis crossed the line when he threatened Andrew's mother. 185 00:08:44,133 --> 00:08:46,633 Did something happen on December 31st, New Year's Eve? 186 00:08:46,700 --> 00:08:50,200 Mr. Louis over here really wanted to go 187 00:08:50,266 --> 00:08:53,600 to East St. Louis, Missouri, to go to a strip club. 188 00:08:53,667 --> 00:08:56,900 I did not want to go. I'm too drunk to get in anyway. 189 00:08:56,967 --> 00:08:59,633 I'm a little upset that he was upset with me. 190 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:02,367 So, I laid into him and yelled at him. 191 00:09:02,433 --> 00:09:05,133 Hundred percent. Should I have done that? No. 192 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,333 Okay, I get it. So, there came a time when you decided to move out. 193 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:09,734 -[Louis] Correct. -[Levy] When? 194 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,233 So, it was, um, like I said, I wasn't talking to him for awhile 195 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:15,567 after the whole strip club incident. 196 00:09:15,633 --> 00:09:17,667 And he actually almost got arrested that night. 197 00:09:17,734 --> 00:09:19,667 I kind of helped him from getting arrested. 198 00:09:19,734 --> 00:09:21,266 -[Levy] Keep going. -[Andrew] This guy. 199 00:09:21,333 --> 00:09:25,266 -Anyway, he left that out. -Hearsay, hearsay. 200 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:28,100 If we had unlimited time, I'd love to hear the stories. 201 00:09:28,166 --> 00:09:29,500 But we're gonna try to move forward 202 00:09:29,567 --> 00:09:31,967 and figure out whether or not you're gonna get this money. 203 00:09:32,033 --> 00:09:37,533 So, I was not communicating with him for a couple, probably a month and a half. 204 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,133 -[Levy] It was uncomfortable. -[Louis] It was awkward. 205 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,533 Um, so he got back one night, drunk again. 206 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,066 He currently wasn't working still due to the non-compete thing. 207 00:09:46,133 --> 00:09:49,165 I had to wake up the next day, so I just opened my door 208 00:09:49,233 --> 00:09:51,165 and kinda politely said, hey, can you keep it down? 209 00:09:51,233 --> 00:09:54,734 I gotta work tomorrow. Then that kinda set him off like crazy. 210 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Like saying, "The only way you're gonna shut me up 211 00:09:57,266 --> 00:09:59,500 is if you blow my head off with a shotgun. 212 00:09:59,567 --> 00:10:01,600 -I hope you kill yourself." -[Levy] Who? 213 00:10:01,667 --> 00:10:04,533 Me blow his head off with a shotgun. 214 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:05,967 [Levy] Do you remember that? 215 00:10:06,033 --> 00:10:07,266 -Oh, yeah. -[Levy] Okay. 216 00:10:07,333 --> 00:10:10,500 He said he hopes I kill myself, that kind of stuff. 217 00:10:10,567 --> 00:10:12,867 -[Levy] Were you drinking, Mr. Cline? -[Andrew] Yeah. 218 00:10:12,934 --> 00:10:15,300 Mr. Cline, do you have a drinking problem? 219 00:10:15,367 --> 00:10:16,967 When I'm around him, I do. 220 00:10:17,033 --> 00:10:19,200 [Levy] Have you ever been arrested for DUI? 221 00:10:19,266 --> 00:10:20,200 Yes. 222 00:10:20,266 --> 00:10:22,567 [Levy] That resolved itself with some type of treatment? 223 00:10:22,633 --> 00:10:23,533 No. 224 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,900 [Levy] You never had to go to a DUI course or nothing like that? 225 00:10:26,967 --> 00:10:27,900 Nope. 226 00:10:27,967 --> 00:10:29,800 Now, let's go back to the lawsuit. 227 00:10:29,867 --> 00:10:32,767 June, 2024, you were already out in March. 228 00:10:32,834 --> 00:10:35,967 April, May, June. You're out those months, you still pay your rent. 229 00:10:36,033 --> 00:10:37,233 -Correct. -[Levy] In June, 230 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:40,200 according to your complaint, you tried paying your rent online 231 00:10:40,266 --> 00:10:44,266 and you noticed an outstanding balance of $2,285. 232 00:10:44,333 --> 00:10:45,333 Correct. 233 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,667 You called the property manager, and you found out 234 00:10:48,734 --> 00:10:51,133 that he also failed to pay his utility bills. 235 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,967 So, to avoid eviction, you paid the outstanding rent, 236 00:10:55,033 --> 00:10:59,133 late fees, utility bills, with a cashier's check for $3,097. 237 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,333 -Correct? -Correct. 238 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,200 -[Levy] You admit that, Mr. Cline? -Yes, sir. 239 00:11:02,266 --> 00:11:03,266 [Levy] Fine. Judge Acker. 240 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:07,667 I don't really have a lot for you because the two of you have a lot. 241 00:11:07,734 --> 00:11:09,734 But let me just ask you, Mr. Cline, 242 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,834 tell me what you think a lease means. 243 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,367 Uh, it's an agreement to pay for a certain period of time. 244 00:11:16,433 --> 00:11:21,233 And is there a provision that says that, you know, you don't have to pay 245 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:24,166 when you get into a fight with your friend who you've known? 246 00:11:24,233 --> 00:11:25,333 I don't think so. 247 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,934 Can we put up Exhibit Three, please? 248 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,100 Because as I see the facts of this case, 249 00:11:32,165 --> 00:11:36,500 your liability doesn't really seem to be hard for me to resolve 250 00:11:36,567 --> 00:11:40,233 because you in fact, at one point in time, were going to pay him. 251 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:41,300 [Andrew] No. 252 00:11:41,367 --> 00:11:42,734 You never said you were gonna pay him? 253 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,433 Uh, are those real texts? I don't know that I sent those. 254 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:49,967 [Acker] You don't? You're disputing the veracity of the texts? 255 00:11:50,033 --> 00:11:52,300 Let's put up Exhibit One, please. 256 00:11:53,367 --> 00:11:56,100 This is evidence that the plaintiff submitted 257 00:11:56,165 --> 00:11:58,266 about communications between the two of you 258 00:11:58,333 --> 00:11:59,934 when he was trying to get his money 259 00:12:00,066 --> 00:12:01,367 -for the rent. -[Andrew] Okay. 260 00:12:01,433 --> 00:12:03,100 -[Acker] I'll let you read it. -[Andrew] Okay. 261 00:12:03,166 --> 00:12:05,834 "This is the honest truth. I'm sorry this happened, Louis. 262 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:08,433 I really am." Sorry, I need some glasses. 263 00:12:08,500 --> 00:12:11,734 "I thought I could just make it work. I thought I made a payment 264 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,633 to zero the balance out, and I made an honest mistake 265 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,667 where that payment went." 266 00:12:16,734 --> 00:12:19,400 -Mr. Yungermann… -[Louis] Yeah. 267 00:12:19,467 --> 00:12:21,467 -you submitted this text. -[Louis] Correct. 268 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:23,600 [Acker] Tell me what this purports to be. 269 00:12:23,667 --> 00:12:26,300 'Cause the defendant's raised questions about its accuracy. 270 00:12:26,367 --> 00:12:29,533 Correct. So, this is kind of the initial text that I sent Andrew 271 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,333 when I realized we were so back due on rent. 272 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,633 The amount, it was like $3,000 in back… 273 00:12:35,700 --> 00:12:39,667 It was my portion of that month's rent plus what he owed from delinquencies. 274 00:12:39,734 --> 00:12:45,700 And that screen shot is actually an email that he sent to the leasing office 275 00:12:45,767 --> 00:12:49,333 in an attempt to try to negotiate some type of payment plan… 276 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:50,934 [Acker] Thank you. So, Mr. Cline, 277 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,834 -does that sound at all familiar to you? -No, I don't. 278 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:55,934 -I said that? -[Acker] Yeah, you said that. 279 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,600 -You know, you're in court today. -[Andrew] Yeah. 280 00:12:58,667 --> 00:13:00,600 -Before you came to court… -Okay. 281 00:13:00,667 --> 00:13:05,000 you swore out an answer, you signed it. And here's what you said. 282 00:13:05,066 --> 00:13:08,700 You said, regarding this lawsuit, "I already had an agreement 283 00:13:08,767 --> 00:13:12,767 with my property manager." What is the evidence of the agreement? 284 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:16,800 I guess I technically don't have any evidence for it. 285 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:21,100 So, you don't have any evidence for any agreement with the property manager. 286 00:13:21,166 --> 00:13:25,000 You also said in your answer that the plaintiff 287 00:13:25,066 --> 00:13:28,633 sent disrespectful and harassing messages to your mother. 288 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:30,533 I'm gonna pull up the text message. 289 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,433 You did reach out to the defendant's mother. 290 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:33,633 Yes, mm-hmm. 291 00:13:33,700 --> 00:13:37,066 -Before we go back to Mr. Cline on that… -Yes. 292 00:13:37,133 --> 00:13:40,533 'cause he seems to have some memory issues. 293 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,300 Mm-hmm. [chuckles] Too drunk. 294 00:13:42,367 --> 00:13:44,500 -[laughs] You might be. -Yeah. 295 00:13:44,567 --> 00:13:46,667 [Acker] You might be. At least you're a happy drunk. 296 00:13:46,734 --> 00:13:49,400 Except when you're punching him. 297 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:52,165 [overlapping chatter] 298 00:13:52,233 --> 00:13:54,633 Except when you guys are brawling. 299 00:13:54,700 --> 00:13:58,533 Um, I don't want to make light of some of the allegations 300 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,433 that have been raised in this lawsuit. You had a DUI. 301 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:04,133 You coulda killed somebody. 302 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,500 You've admitted now to being severely intoxicated. 303 00:14:07,567 --> 00:14:10,300 -But my point simply is… -[Andrew] Well, it was New Year's… 304 00:14:10,367 --> 00:14:13,633 Listen, I don't want to talk about this like it's some cute, charming thing. 305 00:14:13,700 --> 00:14:17,033 It was, a little bit. He's making it into more than it needs to be. 306 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:19,166 [Acker] It's not. So, let's move on. 307 00:14:19,233 --> 00:14:21,166 -Mr. Yungermann… -[Louis] Yeah. 308 00:14:21,233 --> 00:14:24,967 you mentioned that you reached out to the defendant's mother. 309 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:26,033 [Louis] Yes, I did. 310 00:14:26,100 --> 00:14:27,633 [Acker] Why did you reach out to her? 311 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:28,600 [dramatic music playing] 312 00:14:28,667 --> 00:14:31,166 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice… 313 00:14:31,233 --> 00:14:32,700 Why'd you drop out of school? 314 00:14:32,767 --> 00:14:34,967 -Why did I drop out of school? -[DiMango] Yeah. 315 00:14:35,033 --> 00:14:37,967 Is this an indictment on everything bad of me? 316 00:14:41,233 --> 00:14:42,900 [main theme playing] 317 00:14:42,967 --> 00:14:44,867 [narrator] To protect his credit rating, 318 00:14:44,934 --> 00:14:48,165 Louis Yungermann says he paid $3,600 in rent 319 00:14:48,233 --> 00:14:50,734 for former friend and roommate Andrew Cline. 320 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,433 Now, Louis wants it all back, 321 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,133 but Andrew says he never asked for a handout 322 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,967 and claims his former friend went too far by harassing his mother. 323 00:14:59,033 --> 00:15:01,000 -[Acker] Mr. Yungermann… -Yeah. 324 00:15:01,066 --> 00:15:04,667 You mentioned that you reached out to the defendant's mother. 325 00:15:04,734 --> 00:15:05,967 Why did you reach out to her? 326 00:15:06,033 --> 00:15:09,433 He actually had blocked me through communication at this point. 327 00:15:09,500 --> 00:15:11,834 So, I reached out to his mother just to see 328 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:14,200 if she would be willing to intervene at all. 329 00:15:14,266 --> 00:15:16,633 Um, not necessarily pay the money he owed me, 330 00:15:16,700 --> 00:15:20,433 but maybe help make a bridge and just get it resolved 331 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:23,066 without going through the court system, basically. 332 00:15:23,133 --> 00:15:24,700 And she said no. 333 00:15:24,767 --> 00:15:26,867 -[Acker] She didn't want to be involved. -Exactly. 334 00:15:26,934 --> 00:15:28,800 At one point, didn't she suggest to you 335 00:15:28,867 --> 00:15:31,100 that she wasn't in communication with him either? 336 00:15:31,166 --> 00:15:32,433 She did say that, correct. 337 00:15:32,500 --> 00:15:35,767 [Acker] Mr. Cline, where was the disrespect 338 00:15:35,834 --> 00:15:39,667 that you say the plaintiff targeted towards your mom? 339 00:15:40,967 --> 00:15:44,767 "You can only push a person so far till they… snap." 340 00:15:44,834 --> 00:15:46,600 [Acker] You said that to his mother? 341 00:15:46,667 --> 00:15:49,667 I did. It was… So, I reached out to her initially 342 00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:53,900 to try to get the money, and it was just a rash reaction 343 00:15:53,967 --> 00:15:56,633 to the amount of money that I was owed. 344 00:15:56,700 --> 00:16:00,333 You reached out to her at one point for reasons that, to me, made sense, 345 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,266 which is that you wanted to show the court that you made an effort to collect. 346 00:16:04,333 --> 00:16:06,800 -Correct. -I don't know why you didn't just stop. 347 00:16:06,867 --> 00:16:09,400 He was right that I shouldn't have said that to his mom. 348 00:16:09,467 --> 00:16:12,100 And I apologize for it, I shouldn't have said that. 349 00:16:12,166 --> 00:16:13,834 But I was just frustrated because… 350 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:15,233 I accept his apology. 351 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:17,900 'Cause I know he doesn't actually mean it. He was upset. 352 00:16:17,967 --> 00:16:20,867 Like, you've known each other since second grade, sixth grade. 353 00:16:20,934 --> 00:16:22,867 You're grown men. You signed a lease. 354 00:16:22,934 --> 00:16:26,166 You don't get to not pay a lease 'cause you got mad at your friend. 355 00:16:26,233 --> 00:16:28,467 You don't get to go swearing at somebody's mother 356 00:16:28,533 --> 00:16:30,834 'cause he's drunk and starts beating on you. 357 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,467 -Grow up. -Sure. 358 00:16:32,533 --> 00:16:34,200 [Acker] Judge DiMango? 359 00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:35,867 Well, I wish we were Divorce Court 360 00:16:35,934 --> 00:16:38,200 because I'd love to get the two of you separated… 361 00:16:38,266 --> 00:16:39,900 [Andrew] Probably get married over again. 362 00:16:39,967 --> 00:16:43,200 …from one another, because you're like so total opposites. 363 00:16:43,266 --> 00:16:47,367 And I think you both recognize what you shoulda been doing in this situation. 364 00:16:47,433 --> 00:16:50,233 I think you recognize you shoulda been paying the rent. 365 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:51,800 Uh, no comment. 366 00:16:51,867 --> 00:16:54,033 [DiMango] That's good. That's like taking the Fifth. 367 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:58,000 But when you say, I noticed a zero balance, 368 00:16:58,066 --> 00:16:59,834 and you just go on with your life. 369 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:03,066 I'm thinking to myself. I wrote a note. I said, what did he think, 370 00:17:03,133 --> 00:17:05,066 like the elves came and paid off the money? 371 00:17:05,133 --> 00:17:08,165 Who else could've paid it but your former paisan here? 372 00:17:08,233 --> 00:17:10,633 -Who else? Tell me. -[chuckles] 373 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:13,133 I guess it was the drunk little elves runnin' around. 374 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,400 They convinced me. 375 00:17:14,467 --> 00:17:17,099 Well, it coulda been. Only you know that answer. 376 00:17:17,165 --> 00:17:20,266 But no matter how it came about, the bottom line is, 377 00:17:20,333 --> 00:17:22,800 I think that for you to say you didn't recognize 378 00:17:22,867 --> 00:17:25,133 that he covered that amount is disingenuous. 379 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,233 Okay. 380 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:28,133 By the way, why'd you drop out of school? 381 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,400 -Why did I drop out of school? -[DiMango] Yeah. 382 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,633 Is this an indictment on everything bad of me? 383 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:35,567 -No, I'm just curious. -Why did I drop out? 384 00:17:35,633 --> 00:17:38,233 Well, my father died when I was a sophomore in college, 385 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:40,100 and I kinda lost my mind a little bit. 386 00:17:40,166 --> 00:17:42,934 Okay. To me that would be very difficult to lose my father 387 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,834 when I was in my sophomore year of high school, or college. 388 00:17:45,900 --> 00:17:48,066 And he didn't show up to his funeral. 389 00:17:48,133 --> 00:17:50,033 We're supposed to be best friends. 390 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:51,700 Did you not show up? 391 00:17:51,767 --> 00:17:53,767 At that point, there was none of this issue. 392 00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:56,133 I was still attending school in Springfield, Missouri. 393 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:57,467 [Andrew] We both were. 394 00:17:57,533 --> 00:18:00,800 [DiMango] Listen… You see, Mr. I-didn't-do-anything-wrong? 395 00:18:00,867 --> 00:18:03,900 I think you have to stand there and say, I shoulda been at that wake. 396 00:18:03,967 --> 00:18:06,867 You were my best friend since second-slash-sixth grade. 397 00:18:06,934 --> 00:18:08,467 Sure. No, I shoulda been there. 398 00:18:08,533 --> 00:18:10,033 I don't deny that at all. 399 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:13,233 You just did. You just gave some excuse why you shouldn't have been 400 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:15,333 to your best friend's father's funeral. 401 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,500 It's something I should've done, I regret doing. 402 00:18:17,567 --> 00:18:20,100 [DiMango] Finally, you're saying something about it. 403 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:23,233 It was a long time ago. I was working down there, going to school. 404 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:27,000 It was just a lot to kind of… It was last-minute notice type of thing. 405 00:18:27,066 --> 00:18:29,300 -Not trying to make excuses. -[DiMango] You are. 406 00:18:29,367 --> 00:18:33,033 Okay, you are. I mean, it just… Because people often think 407 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,100 -in these courtrooms, or in life… -Sure. 408 00:18:35,166 --> 00:18:39,233 …that they did something wrong, or they did something inappropriate, 409 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:41,500 but as long as they have a good reason for it, 410 00:18:41,567 --> 00:18:43,667 it kinda undoes it. And it doesn't. 411 00:18:43,734 --> 00:18:47,166 I mean, we get that you're not a mean, evil, horrible person, 412 00:18:47,233 --> 00:18:49,367 and that you wouldn't have done it for those reasons. 413 00:18:49,433 --> 00:18:51,667 You had a legitimate basis. But it doesn't mean 414 00:18:51,734 --> 00:18:54,567 that the impact on him is exactly the same. 415 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:57,233 -I understand, and if I… -[DiMango] That brings you both here. 416 00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:01,333 The fact that this stuff gnaws away at any relationship. 417 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,500 And it comes to an end at some point, which is where this is. 418 00:19:04,567 --> 00:19:08,467 But that doesn't change the financial obligation that you incurred 419 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:12,333 not so much with him, but with the landlord that he picked up. 420 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800 So, do you think the elves paid your rent? 421 00:19:14,867 --> 00:19:18,300 Well, according to Miss Tanya, over here, 422 00:19:18,367 --> 00:19:20,433 apparently there were. 423 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:21,767 Did you call me Miss Tanya? 424 00:19:21,834 --> 00:19:23,400 -[Andrew] Missus Tanya? -Where are you from? 425 00:19:23,467 --> 00:19:24,734 Uh, St. Louis. 426 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,900 You thought there was more of a Southern thing? 427 00:19:26,967 --> 00:19:29,467 -No, see, that's pretty Southern. -[DiMango] Yeah, I thought that. 428 00:19:29,533 --> 00:19:31,200 You're charming in spite of yourself. 429 00:19:31,266 --> 00:19:33,133 -[DiMango] I thought the same thing. -I'll take it. 430 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,700 So, would you say this is more about personal animosity 431 00:19:36,767 --> 00:19:38,400 that developed over the years, 432 00:19:38,467 --> 00:19:41,867 than really about the inability to pay $3,000 some-odd dollars? 433 00:19:42,066 --> 00:19:43,300 [dramatic music playing] 434 00:19:43,367 --> 00:19:45,567 [narrator] Coming up on Tribunal Justice… 435 00:19:45,633 --> 00:19:49,700 You lied to us. You lied under oath. You do admit that now? 436 00:19:53,166 --> 00:19:54,834 [main theme playing] 437 00:19:54,900 --> 00:19:58,133 [narrator] Louis Yungermann claims former roommate Andrew Cline 438 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,700 failed to pay $3,600 in back rent, 439 00:20:00,767 --> 00:20:03,233 so Louis paid it to protect his credit rating. 440 00:20:03,300 --> 00:20:05,900 Now, he wants it all back. But Andrew says 441 00:20:05,967 --> 00:20:09,200 he never asked Louis to pay anything, so that's on him. 442 00:20:09,266 --> 00:20:13,266 Would you say this is more about personal animosity 443 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:15,333 that developed over the years 444 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,033 than really about the inability to pay $3,000 some-odd dollars? 445 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:22,600 Yeah, I agree with that. I think there's been things 446 00:20:22,667 --> 00:20:24,500 that have happened all throughout our past 447 00:20:24,567 --> 00:20:28,400 that has not been spoken about, and then comes to a boiling point. 448 00:20:28,467 --> 00:20:32,133 [DiMango] We're gonna fix it. Judge Levy? Anybody have anything to say here? 449 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,033 I do. I just want to make it clear, when you come to court, 450 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:37,533 it's super important to tell the truth. 451 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,000 You said that you're not a liar. You accused him of being a liar. 452 00:20:41,066 --> 00:20:45,000 I asked you very specifically whether you were fired from your job for cause 453 00:20:45,066 --> 00:20:46,600 to come clean. 454 00:20:46,667 --> 00:20:49,100 You remember the lawsuit that was filed against you, 455 00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:53,333 Club Car Wash Operating LLC versus Andrew Cline, 456 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,133 filed on November 9th, 2023. 457 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:57,433 -Yes? -Yes. 458 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:03,066 Defendant, you, was terminated… for cause! 459 00:21:03,133 --> 00:21:06,967 Specifically due to his unprofessional and inappropriate behavior 460 00:21:07,033 --> 00:21:11,166 and lack of accountability in his role as General Manager. 461 00:21:11,233 --> 00:21:14,600 That's the reason you were fired from your job, according to the lawsuit. 462 00:21:14,667 --> 00:21:17,133 You lied to us. You lied under oath. 463 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,133 You do admit that now? 464 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,800 -I would have a discrepancy... -My brother-in-law once told me, 465 00:21:22,867 --> 00:21:25,166 When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. 466 00:21:25,233 --> 00:21:27,333 So, I'm gonna ask you. You want to explain to me 467 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,500 this sworn affidavit that says you were fired for cause, 468 00:21:31,567 --> 00:21:35,200 or do you just want to say, I'm sorry, I didn't know you had that document. 469 00:21:35,266 --> 00:21:38,166 If I knew you had that document, I wouldn't have denied it. 470 00:21:38,233 --> 00:21:39,967 You are correct. Sorry I lied. 471 00:21:40,033 --> 00:21:41,700 -I apologize. -[Levy] I appreciate that. 472 00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:43,100 I have nothing further. 473 00:21:43,166 --> 00:21:44,233 -Are we ready? -Mm-hmm. 474 00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:47,567 We are going to retire to deliberate at this time. We thank you both. 475 00:21:47,633 --> 00:21:48,633 All right. Thank you, guys. 476 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:51,200 Court is now in recess. Parties will be recalled. 477 00:21:51,266 --> 00:21:53,300 [dramatic music playing] 478 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,133 The defendant's on the wrong path, 479 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,767 and he's been on the wrong path for a long time. 480 00:21:59,834 --> 00:22:04,333 I don't know whether or not this exercise is going to make a difference in his life. 481 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,233 I hope it will. The evidence, I believe, is pretty compelling. 482 00:22:08,300 --> 00:22:11,033 The plaintiff, consistent with the terms of the lease, 483 00:22:11,100 --> 00:22:13,100 had to pay for the defendant's portion 484 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:16,333 because they were both jointly and severally liable for the rent, 485 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800 and the defendant thought he was gonna come in here 486 00:22:18,867 --> 00:22:21,900 and just give a whole nonsense story that we were gonna believe 487 00:22:21,967 --> 00:22:23,500 and keep his fingers crossed. 488 00:22:23,567 --> 00:22:25,533 I believe the plaintiff has made out his case 489 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,133 and that he is entitled to every penny he's asked for, $3,632. 490 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,033 Completely agree with you. When you sign a lease with somebody else 491 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:35,166 and they don't pay, then you're on the hook. 492 00:22:35,233 --> 00:22:37,834 And that's the situation that the plaintiff found himself in. 493 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,367 And the defendant knows that. 494 00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:41,700 You know, there's a whole bunch of personal animus 495 00:22:41,767 --> 00:22:43,533 that led to them being here today. 496 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,100 The legal issues are far more simple than some of their personal difficulties. 497 00:22:48,166 --> 00:22:50,333 There are difficulties on several levels here, 498 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,900 especially with the defendant, who I think really needs 499 00:22:52,967 --> 00:22:57,000 to get a little more insight into what his problems are being caused by. 500 00:22:57,066 --> 00:22:59,967 And I totally agree, the plaintiff is the kind of person 501 00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:04,500 who meticulously sets forth everything he's supposed to be doing. 502 00:23:04,567 --> 00:23:08,266 And I think the defendant recognizes on some level, at least in retrospect, 503 00:23:08,333 --> 00:23:12,500 that, you know, his alleged defense did not hold any water. 504 00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:15,266 So, the bottom line here is, the plaintiff is entitled 505 00:23:15,333 --> 00:23:17,066 to everything he's asked for. 506 00:23:17,133 --> 00:23:20,533 Um, and the defendant, I really think needs to look at his life. 507 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,967 Thank you. We're unanimous. 508 00:23:22,033 --> 00:23:23,500 -[DiMango] Yeah. -Yes, indeed. 509 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,600 Court is back in session. 510 00:23:28,667 --> 00:23:30,533 All parties are reminded that you're still under oath. 511 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,600 [Levy] Gentlemen, we have deliberated 512 00:23:32,667 --> 00:23:35,367 and we have reached a unanimous verdict. 513 00:23:35,433 --> 00:23:40,834 Mr. Cline, at almost 30 years old, you seem to be on the wrong path. 514 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:44,567 And if you find yourself ever in a situation when you're in a court 515 00:23:44,633 --> 00:23:49,533 for something someone says you did on the criminal side, you tell the truth. 516 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,033 Even if the underlying offense wasn't serious, 517 00:23:53,100 --> 00:23:56,900 a perjury prosecution is, and that'll stick on your record forever. 518 00:23:56,967 --> 00:24:00,133 So, you gotta get yourself on the right path. 519 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,667 And if you need help, get that help. Just do it. 520 00:24:02,734 --> 00:24:05,867 Okay, with that having been said, judgment in favor of the plaintiff 521 00:24:05,934 --> 00:24:10,767 for the full amount, $3,632. That's the verdict of the court. 522 00:24:10,834 --> 00:24:12,367 Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you. 523 00:24:12,433 --> 00:24:15,033 This case has concluded. All parties are excused. 524 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,166 I drink as much as anybody else. 525 00:24:20,233 --> 00:24:23,233 Every time he starts drinking, he gets mad, he gets aggressive. 526 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:26,667 Twelve-pack a week, or somethin' like that. It's not a problem. 527 00:24:26,734 --> 00:24:28,734 I just thought he had changed. Clearly not. 528 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,333 Oh, I'll love him forever, whether he likes it or not. 529 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:32,834 [narrator] Got family drama? 530 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,000 Let Tribunal Justice decide your case. 531 00:24:36,066 --> 00:24:40,100 Find us on social media @TribunalJustice. 532 00:24:40,767 --> 00:24:42,767 [main theme playing]