1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,208 (ominous music) 2 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:55,792 (ominous music) 3 00:00:57,125 --> 00:00:59,250 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 4 00:00:59,333 --> 00:01:01,042 has the right to remain silent. 5 00:01:01,125 --> 00:01:04,042 Many agree to be interrogated anyway 6 00:01:04,042 --> 00:01:07,042 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 7 00:01:07,125 --> 00:01:09,208 making it a race against time. 8 00:01:10,917 --> 00:01:13,375 Justice hangs in the balance. 9 00:01:16,792 --> 00:01:19,708 (suspenseful music) 10 00:01:25,708 --> 00:01:28,708 - I was at the station and I was doing some paperwork 11 00:01:28,792 --> 00:01:30,833 and a gentleman walked in 12 00:01:30,917 --> 00:01:33,042 and he was requesting a supervisor. 13 00:01:34,208 --> 00:01:36,625 Brian Heisler said that his main concern 14 00:01:36,708 --> 00:01:38,667 was where his sister was. 15 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:40,792 (suspenseful music) 16 00:01:53,542 --> 00:01:55,292 - Brian said a day or two earlier, 17 00:01:55,375 --> 00:01:58,458 he'd gotten a phone call from Phil 18 00:01:58,542 --> 00:02:01,917 and said that Roberta had passed away in Memphis, Tennessee, 19 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,500 about 750 miles from Hartville, Ohio. 20 00:02:06,583 --> 00:02:07,583 - Philip told him 21 00:02:07,708 --> 00:02:11,000 that Roberta had passed away in the vehicle 22 00:02:11,083 --> 00:02:13,333 and two EMS personnel took her body 23 00:02:13,417 --> 00:02:15,208 and said that they were going to take her 24 00:02:15,292 --> 00:02:17,000 to the coroner's office. 25 00:02:18,042 --> 00:02:22,042 And then Philip left and came home without Roberta's body, 26 00:02:22,042 --> 00:02:24,583 so Brian was definitely very upset 27 00:02:24,708 --> 00:02:27,125 and just wondering what happened. 28 00:04:03,542 --> 00:04:05,167 - I end up speaking with the chief 29 00:04:05,250 --> 00:04:08,000 because the situation just didn't make sense 30 00:04:08,167 --> 00:04:10,333 and there was definitely more to the story. 31 00:04:10,417 --> 00:04:12,667 - If the story that Philip told was true, 32 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:17,167 that she passed away of natural causes in Memphis, 33 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:19,000 that would not be a crime. 34 00:04:19,125 --> 00:04:21,125 But not knowing where her body is, 35 00:04:21,208 --> 00:04:23,333 now it's a crime 36 00:04:23,375 --> 00:04:26,250 because you have to properly care for the corpse. 37 00:04:26,333 --> 00:04:27,583 Especially if you're out of state 38 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:29,042 and you have a death like that. 39 00:04:29,042 --> 00:04:30,667 There would have to be an autopsy. 40 00:04:30,708 --> 00:04:32,500 Sergeant said, "So, what are we gonna do?" 41 00:04:32,583 --> 00:04:34,208 And I said "We're gonna find her." 42 00:04:34,375 --> 00:04:36,500 (gentle music) 43 00:04:36,583 --> 00:04:39,375 - Roberta was friends with my grandmother. 44 00:04:40,583 --> 00:04:42,750 They lived in the same neighborhood. 45 00:04:42,833 --> 00:04:45,708 When I first met Roberta, she was shy 46 00:04:45,792 --> 00:04:48,958 and, you know, reserved, kind of keeping herself. 47 00:04:49,042 --> 00:04:52,125 But when Phil wasn't around, she would open up. 48 00:04:52,208 --> 00:04:55,750 She was very uplifting and very kind. 49 00:04:55,875 --> 00:04:58,250 She was gentle, but she could put her foot in the ground 50 00:04:58,333 --> 00:04:59,500 if she really needed to, 51 00:04:59,583 --> 00:05:01,542 so she could stand her ground. 52 00:05:01,708 --> 00:05:06,167 I got to know her through playing cards, Euchre. 53 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,208 Roberta really helped me understand the game. 54 00:05:08,292 --> 00:05:09,792 She may not have always shown it, 55 00:05:09,875 --> 00:05:12,375 but deep down, she had a competitive edge. 56 00:05:12,458 --> 00:05:14,833 I feel like she would bring a smile to your face 57 00:05:14,833 --> 00:05:16,708 'cause she would remind me of, you know, 58 00:05:16,792 --> 00:05:17,792 my grandma. 59 00:05:19,375 --> 00:05:22,292 (ominous music) 60 00:05:35,750 --> 00:05:38,792 - Our decision was to interview him at his home 61 00:05:38,875 --> 00:05:40,792 so he would feel more comfortable. 62 00:05:42,208 --> 00:05:44,250 My goal was to get him to open up 63 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:46,542 and explain what happened to his wife, 64 00:05:46,625 --> 00:05:50,917 so I wanted to act like I didn't know that she was missing. 65 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:07,667 - During that interview, 66 00:07:07,708 --> 00:07:10,333 there was an uneasy feeling because I know if that was me, 67 00:07:10,417 --> 00:07:12,000 I would definitely not be home 68 00:07:12,042 --> 00:07:14,042 when my wife's body is somewhere else. 69 00:07:30,708 --> 00:07:32,292 - Even though I spoke with him, 70 00:07:32,375 --> 00:07:35,292 he still wasn't giving a lot of answers 71 00:07:35,375 --> 00:07:38,000 to help us find Roberta. 72 00:07:38,125 --> 00:07:39,542 - And in this day and age, 73 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:42,583 you can't just drop a body off with some paramedics 74 00:07:42,667 --> 00:07:44,250 who are down in Memphis, Tennessee 75 00:07:44,333 --> 00:07:49,042 and not know where they took her or what they did with her. 76 00:08:07,083 --> 00:08:09,875 I still felt that there was more to the story 77 00:08:09,958 --> 00:08:12,708 and obviously we need to get to the bottom of it 78 00:08:12,792 --> 00:08:14,417 to figure out where she is, 79 00:08:14,542 --> 00:08:17,167 so we can give the answers to the family. 80 00:08:17,250 --> 00:08:20,125 (suspenseful music) 81 00:08:24,375 --> 00:08:27,083 (siren wailing) 82 00:08:32,542 --> 00:08:36,792 I contacted the coroner, contacted multiple EMS agencies, 83 00:08:36,875 --> 00:08:39,500 multiple hospitals in the general area, 84 00:08:39,542 --> 00:08:41,542 and there was nothing matching that name 85 00:08:41,625 --> 00:08:43,167 or description of Roberta. 86 00:08:44,750 --> 00:08:46,833 I thought the plot was thickening 87 00:08:46,917 --> 00:08:50,667 and it was definitely getting weirder by the second. 88 00:08:50,708 --> 00:08:52,583 At this point, I believe 89 00:08:52,708 --> 00:08:55,167 there might be some foul play involved. 90 00:08:57,417 --> 00:08:59,917 (dog barking distantly) 91 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:09,625 (suspenseful music) 92 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,958 - I realized that we needed to go in and search the house 93 00:09:19,042 --> 00:09:21,542 because she could be laying dead in there. 94 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:22,958 She could be alive in there. 95 00:09:23,042 --> 00:09:26,667 We don't know anything other than what Phil said 96 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:29,458 and if I would've interviewed him at the station, 97 00:09:29,542 --> 00:09:30,875 I wouldn't have the ability 98 00:09:30,958 --> 00:09:33,167 to ask him to let me search the house so easily. 99 00:10:27,167 --> 00:10:29,250 (suspenseful music) 100 00:10:40,542 --> 00:10:42,250 - We didn't know if she was dead or alive. 101 00:10:42,375 --> 00:10:44,917 The purpose was to make sure that she wasn't in there 102 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 or there wasn't some blood-soaked area on the floor. 103 00:10:52,542 --> 00:10:54,833 - [Larry] We walked all through his house. 104 00:11:02,208 --> 00:11:04,292 (eerie music) 105 00:11:38,542 --> 00:11:40,125 - He lacked compassion. 106 00:11:40,208 --> 00:11:41,792 If my wife is missing, 107 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:45,292 I have a little more concern about her whereabouts. 108 00:11:47,583 --> 00:11:51,625 - So my gut reaction to this whole thing is he killed her 109 00:11:51,708 --> 00:11:54,417 and he's gonna do everything in his power 110 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:57,417 to not divulge that he killed her. 111 00:11:57,500 --> 00:12:00,292 I decided I was gonna start pushing him a little bit. 112 00:12:37,875 --> 00:12:39,250 - I was testing him 113 00:12:39,375 --> 00:12:42,333 because I didn't know to what degree I could push him 114 00:12:42,458 --> 00:12:48,000 and keeping him comfortable with me was very important. 115 00:13:11,542 --> 00:13:13,833 (ominous music) 116 00:13:22,542 --> 00:13:24,083 Later that day, 117 00:13:24,167 --> 00:13:27,167 I reached out to the hotel manager in Sparta, Kentucky. 118 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:29,333 The room that Philip got that night 119 00:13:29,375 --> 00:13:31,417 was underneath a camera 120 00:13:33,875 --> 00:13:36,458 and the desk where he checked in had a camera 121 00:13:37,958 --> 00:13:41,208 and he said, "Chief, there was no couple. 122 00:13:41,292 --> 00:13:43,042 It was just him." 123 00:13:44,583 --> 00:13:47,500 - At this point, where is Roberta? 124 00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:50,917 The hotel was not that far out of the state of Ohio. 125 00:13:52,458 --> 00:13:56,500 - And that was the first, real, concrete evidence we had 126 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:58,333 that she did not get to Memphis. 127 00:14:11,208 --> 00:14:12,917 (ticking) 128 00:14:13,875 --> 00:14:14,667 (knocking) 129 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:15,875 - Come on in. 130 00:14:15,958 --> 00:14:16,333 (indistinct) 131 00:14:16,375 --> 00:14:17,333 - Sure. 132 00:14:18,917 --> 00:14:20,042 - Want to sit down? 133 00:14:22,583 --> 00:14:23,458 - How are you doing? 134 00:14:23,542 --> 00:14:25,833 - I'm feeling stressed, tired. 135 00:14:37,708 --> 00:14:39,458 - My goal was to confront him 136 00:14:39,542 --> 00:14:42,250 because I wanted to see how he would react. 137 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,875 (clock ticking) 138 00:16:11,083 --> 00:16:13,667 You can almost see it unfolding in front of you, 139 00:16:13,750 --> 00:16:17,667 how he dips into an emotional state. 140 00:16:17,708 --> 00:16:20,042 He's caught in our crossfires at this moment. 141 00:16:23,833 --> 00:16:26,083 (tense music) 142 00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:34,500 - I was concerned he could come out with a weapon 143 00:16:34,583 --> 00:16:36,000 of some sort. 144 00:16:36,167 --> 00:16:38,417 I was literally prepared to take out my firearm 145 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:39,500 and shoot him. 146 00:16:45,958 --> 00:16:48,208 (suspenseful music) 147 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:55,542 - I didn't know if he would be a threat to himself 148 00:16:55,625 --> 00:16:57,292 or a threat to us. 149 00:16:57,375 --> 00:17:00,083 You could see my right hand was sitting on my side arm, 150 00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:01,625 just in case he came around the corner 151 00:17:01,708 --> 00:17:03,708 with anything aggressive. 152 00:17:03,833 --> 00:17:05,208 - When he started to come out, 153 00:17:05,292 --> 00:17:07,667 yeah, we didn't know what he had or what he was doing 154 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:09,333 so we were ready for anything. 155 00:17:09,417 --> 00:17:11,750 But I believe he literally went to the bedroom 156 00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:13,250 just to collect his thoughts 157 00:17:13,375 --> 00:17:15,375 so he could come out and just give us another story. 158 00:19:12,792 --> 00:19:15,083 - We went down and we looked at maps with Phil. 159 00:19:15,167 --> 00:19:18,417 I definitely was mixed about it 160 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:21,667 because he was a very, very good liar. 161 00:19:23,042 --> 00:19:25,167 I didn't think that she was in the river. 162 00:19:25,292 --> 00:19:27,542 But once he's stuck to that story, 163 00:19:27,625 --> 00:19:31,208 we have to disprove it or we have to prove it. 164 00:19:35,792 --> 00:19:37,917 (tense music) 165 00:19:55,458 --> 00:19:58,583 He brought out a helicopter and boats 166 00:19:58,708 --> 00:20:02,500 and all-terrain vehicles to go along the shorelines. 167 00:20:02,583 --> 00:20:05,417 And he conducted a good search. 168 00:20:06,833 --> 00:20:08,708 - But we never found the body. 169 00:20:14,208 --> 00:20:16,792 (eerie music) 170 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,917 (siren wailing) 171 00:20:39,708 --> 00:20:42,958 - His spontaneous actions told me we're touching a nerve 172 00:20:43,042 --> 00:20:46,500 that's causing him to try to dig his way out of it. 173 00:20:46,583 --> 00:20:48,750 We decided we were gonna come back the next day 174 00:20:48,833 --> 00:20:51,208 with a cadaver dog to go through the house. 175 00:20:51,333 --> 00:20:53,875 (ominous music) 176 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:09,375 As we entered the residence, 177 00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:11,542 you could tell the cadaver dog 178 00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:16,167 really wanted to go in a specific direction. 179 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,208 We ended up going into the basement 180 00:21:18,292 --> 00:21:23,250 and K9 Jet bolted directly for a red bin 181 00:21:23,333 --> 00:21:24,792 that was located under a table. 182 00:21:48,042 --> 00:21:50,250 (eerie music) 183 00:21:56,458 --> 00:21:58,000 - As soon as you open the red bin, 184 00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,042 you could smell 185 00:21:59,125 --> 00:22:00,542 a very distinct odor. 186 00:22:06,708 --> 00:22:09,333 - There were what appeared to be stains of blood 187 00:22:10,542 --> 00:22:14,500 and in the bottom of that tub was a white plastic bag. 188 00:22:14,583 --> 00:22:17,000 And inside that white plastic bag 189 00:22:17,083 --> 00:22:20,417 was the front of a sweatshirt that had been cut off 190 00:22:20,542 --> 00:22:22,708 that said Hartville Ohio USA. 191 00:22:24,083 --> 00:22:26,417 - I believe he definitely cut off for a reason 192 00:22:26,542 --> 00:22:29,417 because that's gonna indicate exactly where she was from. 193 00:22:31,333 --> 00:22:34,000 - I had a conversation with our coroner. 194 00:22:34,083 --> 00:22:37,375 Unfortunately, she said, "Look, if there was more blood, 195 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,167 I might be able to say yes, this is a homicide." 196 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:42,333 But it was just little specks, 197 00:22:42,458 --> 00:22:44,458 little stains of blood here and there. 198 00:22:44,542 --> 00:22:46,500 And that was frustrating. 199 00:22:46,583 --> 00:22:49,875 We needed to find the body of Roberta Snider. 200 00:22:54,208 --> 00:22:57,000 (suspenseful music) 201 00:23:07,833 --> 00:23:09,708 We found out he used Roberta's credit card 202 00:23:09,792 --> 00:23:12,667 on the way to and from Graceland. 203 00:23:14,042 --> 00:23:19,667 - And the first stop on this journey was in Wooster, Ohio. 204 00:23:19,708 --> 00:23:21,958 - Which is an hour away from Hartville, Ohio, 205 00:23:22,042 --> 00:23:23,750 and he filled up with gas. 206 00:23:25,542 --> 00:23:29,292 - So I contacted the general manager of the store 207 00:23:29,375 --> 00:23:32,375 and asked her to review video from that date. 208 00:23:33,583 --> 00:23:36,500 - And that video shows Phil pulling in, 209 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:39,500 but there's nobody in the passenger seat. 210 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,792 It's just Phil all by himself. 211 00:23:44,042 --> 00:23:47,083 - That obviously tells me that she was not in the vehicle 212 00:23:47,167 --> 00:23:49,250 40 minutes from his residence. 213 00:23:49,375 --> 00:23:51,667 (ominous music) 214 00:24:08,167 --> 00:24:12,667 - I have never before interviewed a murder suspect 215 00:24:12,667 --> 00:24:15,167 in a psych ward in a hospital. 216 00:24:15,208 --> 00:24:19,667 But after getting some assurances from the staff there, 217 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:21,167 we went ahead and did it. 218 00:26:03,708 --> 00:26:05,917 (tense music) 219 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:35,000 (ominous music) 220 00:28:17,083 --> 00:28:18,917 - He knew we were getting very close 221 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,542 to being able to prove what he did 222 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:24,125 and he didn't wanna play ball anymore. 223 00:28:24,208 --> 00:28:26,208 But he never said, "I want a lawyer," 224 00:28:26,292 --> 00:28:28,333 he never said anything that would prohibit us 225 00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:30,167 from further investigating. 226 00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,333 (eerie music) 227 00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:57,875 (eerie music) 228 00:29:09,625 --> 00:29:11,167 I was interviewing a couple people 229 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:13,000 for positions in my police department 230 00:29:13,083 --> 00:29:15,833 and Joan Bauer is a rockstar police officer 231 00:29:15,958 --> 00:29:18,000 and we hired her. 232 00:29:18,042 --> 00:29:20,000 - I talked to the chief about this case 233 00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:22,250 because it was all over the news. 234 00:29:22,333 --> 00:29:24,000 I asked him, "Hey, 235 00:29:24,042 --> 00:29:26,333 can I take a crack at this, you know, undercover?" 236 00:29:26,375 --> 00:29:28,083 That is my background. 237 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,833 The chief was like, "Yeah, let's give it a crack." 238 00:29:30,917 --> 00:29:33,042 They showed me a picture of him, 239 00:29:33,042 --> 00:29:36,167 but I did not read any police reports so I could develop 240 00:29:36,208 --> 00:29:38,333 the undercover person that I needed to be 241 00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:41,000 without being biased. 242 00:29:41,083 --> 00:29:43,000 I started doing surveillance 243 00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:46,167 and he made it pretty easy for me to get a pattern 244 00:29:46,333 --> 00:29:47,500 very quickly. 245 00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:52,292 (suspenseful music) 246 00:30:05,375 --> 00:30:06,792 At lunchtime, 247 00:30:06,875 --> 00:30:10,167 I observed his truck at a local fast food restaurant 248 00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:12,167 and I went in. 249 00:30:12,250 --> 00:30:15,958 There was a lady sitting at a booth next to me. 250 00:30:16,042 --> 00:30:19,000 So I positioned myself so that I could put the camera on him 251 00:30:19,083 --> 00:30:23,833 and I began to talk rather loudly to the lady. 252 00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:25,292 I gave my story 253 00:30:25,375 --> 00:30:29,000 that I was in town taking care of my sick mother. 254 00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:38,208 (ominous music) 255 00:30:42,292 --> 00:30:43,500 Right after, 256 00:30:43,583 --> 00:30:47,542 I had pretty much laid out why I'm in this small town. 257 00:30:47,667 --> 00:30:49,000 He meets with a friend 258 00:30:49,042 --> 00:30:52,333 and he moves his seat closer to where I'm sitting. 259 00:31:23,292 --> 00:31:25,667 You can see that he looks away 260 00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:28,458 and he lost interest during that. 261 00:31:28,542 --> 00:31:30,083 So, in the beginning, 262 00:31:30,208 --> 00:31:33,500 I'm deciding how I'm going to mold the character 263 00:31:33,542 --> 00:31:34,833 to befriend him. 264 00:31:34,917 --> 00:31:37,167 (eerie music) 265 00:32:31,042 --> 00:32:33,292 - He did appear to be somewhat lonely. 266 00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:36,667 So I created the person who just needs to hang out and talk 267 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:38,000 during the day. 268 00:32:42,458 --> 00:32:44,583 (ominous music) 269 00:33:02,083 --> 00:33:05,875 He believed I was just liking him for who he was 270 00:33:05,958 --> 00:33:10,125 and then it started with his wanting to help me 271 00:33:10,208 --> 00:33:11,667 take care of my mother. 272 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:14,333 He told me how I should kill her 273 00:33:14,417 --> 00:33:18,250 and then if I did, to call him and he would come help me. 274 00:33:18,375 --> 00:33:22,083 And from there, I started to change the script 275 00:33:22,208 --> 00:33:24,833 and ask him more about himself. 276 00:33:24,875 --> 00:33:27,417 He said, "My wife died not too long ago," 277 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:32,333 and I pretty much acted like I was surprised. 278 00:33:32,375 --> 00:33:34,667 It seemed like I was getting closer to the truth 279 00:33:34,833 --> 00:33:36,750 and what he did to Roberta. 280 00:33:45,208 --> 00:33:47,667 He called me and asked if I would meet him 281 00:33:47,708 --> 00:33:49,208 10 miles from Hartville, 282 00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:53,250 and he explained he wanted to tell me more about Roberta. 283 00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:55,542 He did not want people to hear. 284 00:34:06,167 --> 00:34:07,625 I had to be really careful 285 00:34:07,708 --> 00:34:09,833 because this was a form of interrogation 286 00:34:09,958 --> 00:34:12,625 that had to be done gently. 287 00:35:35,292 --> 00:35:38,333 (ominous music) (siren wailing distantly) 288 00:35:49,458 --> 00:35:52,875 I did have a feeling that we were right on the cusp. 289 00:35:54,042 --> 00:35:56,375 He felt like no one trusted him. 290 00:35:58,208 --> 00:36:03,708 And I created just a person that wouldn't judge him. 291 00:36:03,833 --> 00:36:06,208 I went into the restaurant. 292 00:36:10,583 --> 00:36:13,375 - He was a lot more relaxed than he had ever been. 293 00:36:13,458 --> 00:36:15,292 It was like we were long-lost friends 294 00:36:15,375 --> 00:36:17,167 and right away, I could tell that 295 00:36:17,250 --> 00:36:19,125 he was gonna tell me the truth. 296 00:36:52,625 --> 00:36:55,833 The video recorder died like, right at that time. 297 00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:59,000 But I did have the backup audio device going. 298 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:00,458 It was very eerie 299 00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:03,708 and you could almost like, see it peel off of him, 300 00:37:03,792 --> 00:37:06,667 the stress of just carrying it all this time. 301 00:37:48,167 --> 00:37:52,792 That was a shock and I had to roll with it. 302 00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:57,083 I knew that from then, I had to get the confession that day. 303 00:37:57,208 --> 00:37:58,833 And so I was able to push him 304 00:37:58,958 --> 00:38:01,250 with, if I agree to do something like that, 305 00:38:01,333 --> 00:38:03,375 you have to trust me enough to tell me, 306 00:38:03,458 --> 00:38:05,625 you know, everything. 307 00:39:20,958 --> 00:39:22,750 - It was a full confession. 308 00:39:22,833 --> 00:39:26,500 He used his hands as visuals for how he killed her 309 00:39:26,542 --> 00:39:31,833 and just laid it out there for me to pretty much accept it. 310 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:39,500 - I knew then that I had him, 311 00:39:39,583 --> 00:39:42,167 however, I did not know whether I had it on the audio 312 00:39:42,208 --> 00:39:43,708 or the video. 313 00:39:43,833 --> 00:39:46,833 So I left it with him that we would meet later that day. 314 00:39:53,875 --> 00:39:56,500 (ominous music) 315 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,708 - We agreed to meet down at the FBI office 316 00:40:04,792 --> 00:40:06,750 so that we could all hear it 317 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:10,625 and decide whether or not this was indeed a confession. 318 00:40:23,417 --> 00:40:25,250 - When I heard Phil Snider, 319 00:40:25,333 --> 00:40:29,417 I'm thinking that, "We got you Phil, we finally got you." 320 00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:32,042 And I told the chief, "It's time, go arrest him." 321 00:40:36,792 --> 00:40:38,917 (tense music) 322 00:40:52,292 --> 00:40:53,833 - We entered the restaurant 323 00:40:53,917 --> 00:40:56,542 and he was in disbelief that we had a warrant for him. 324 00:40:57,625 --> 00:40:59,708 - Right up until he got his handcuffs put on, 325 00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:03,458 he thought for sure he had fooled us. 326 00:41:03,542 --> 00:41:05,250 - Here we go. 327 00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:07,417 (indistinct) (police radio chatter) 328 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:17,083 (ticking) 329 00:41:17,167 --> 00:41:19,833 (ominous music) 330 00:41:40,042 --> 00:41:43,000 - He took him to Bullitt, Kentucky 331 00:41:43,083 --> 00:41:45,792 and showed him a dumpster 332 00:41:45,875 --> 00:41:48,833 that he claimed to have put Roberta's body in. 333 00:41:50,958 --> 00:41:53,125 - We tracked down where the landfill was 334 00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,042 and we went out there 335 00:41:56,125 --> 00:41:59,333 and we watched a 200,000-pound bulldozer 336 00:41:59,417 --> 00:42:00,875 leveling everything. 337 00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:04,000 It compresses everything. 338 00:42:04,042 --> 00:42:08,333 So she's somewhere in that 500 by 500 foot grid out there, 339 00:42:08,417 --> 00:42:10,625 anywhere up to 25 feet below the surface. 340 00:42:10,708 --> 00:42:12,917 But we just didn't have $15,000,000 341 00:42:12,917 --> 00:42:18,000 that would allow us to bring her back for proper burial. 342 00:42:19,042 --> 00:42:21,792 - We thought we could come up with more for the family, 343 00:42:21,875 --> 00:42:23,667 but that was the end of the line. 344 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:25,167 That was very sad. 345 00:42:26,875 --> 00:42:31,917 - We said a prayer for her and we left. 346 00:42:34,292 --> 00:42:36,417 It's not a happy ending for anybody, 347 00:42:36,417 --> 00:42:38,000 but there's bad people in the world 348 00:42:38,042 --> 00:42:42,000 and we need intuitive cops to conduct these interviews 349 00:42:42,042 --> 00:42:45,125 and to be flexible with how they deal with people 350 00:42:45,208 --> 00:42:49,167 to bring justice to a case, justice to a family. 351 00:42:49,208 --> 00:42:50,750 - I thought we lost somebody 352 00:42:50,833 --> 00:42:54,083 that you could look to and could learn a lot from. 353 00:42:55,083 --> 00:42:57,167 I would love to tell her thank you, 354 00:42:57,208 --> 00:43:00,792 'cause she was always kind and treated me with respect. 355 00:43:00,875 --> 00:43:02,792 It will always stick with me. 356 00:43:02,875 --> 00:43:04,875 I'm glad I got to meet her 357 00:43:04,958 --> 00:43:07,167 and I'm glad that she was a part of my life.