1 00:00:02,169 --> 00:00:04,339 (intense music) 2 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:09,297 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 3 00:00:09,301 --> 00:00:11,141 has the right to remain silent. 4 00:00:11,178 --> 00:00:13,968 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 5 00:00:14,014 --> 00:00:17,024 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 6 00:00:17,059 --> 00:00:18,889 making it a race against time. 7 00:00:18,936 --> 00:00:21,016 (suspenseful music) 8 00:00:21,021 --> 00:00:23,361 Justice hangs in the balance. 9 00:00:25,984 --> 00:00:28,154 (intense music) 10 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:31,531 (sirens wailing) 11 00:00:36,912 --> 00:00:38,412 - When I arrived on scene, 12 00:00:38,455 --> 00:00:41,415 there were people sitting on their screened in patios 13 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:42,788 while we were out there. 14 00:00:42,834 --> 00:00:44,544 They watched it all. 15 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:46,456 Everyone in the neighborhood was worried 16 00:00:46,505 --> 00:00:49,555 that something bad had happened to Fred. 17 00:00:49,591 --> 00:00:52,471 - It was all woods in the back of those mailboxes. 18 00:00:52,511 --> 00:00:56,101 And I was afraid that whoever did this might still be there. 19 00:00:56,139 --> 00:00:57,309 - Everybody was scared. 20 00:00:57,391 --> 00:01:00,391 I mean, this actually frightened everybody. 21 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:02,475 - [Tommy] And Fred’s wife, Sherry was 22 00:01:02,563 --> 00:01:04,063 screaming and yelling. 23 00:01:04,106 --> 00:01:05,726 She was just frantic. 24 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,940 (indistinct radio chatter) 25 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,289 - The bloodhound tracking team members 26 00:01:17,327 --> 00:01:20,457 were preparing to begin their search for Fred, 27 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:25,248 and that’s when we noticed the door to the mailbox was open. 28 00:01:25,294 --> 00:01:28,214 (dramatic music) 29 00:01:28,255 --> 00:01:30,975 We had found blood and a pair of glasses. 30 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:36,597 Someone had been drug through this pool of blood. 31 00:01:36,638 --> 00:01:38,518 One of the team members saw something 32 00:01:38,557 --> 00:01:40,477 that caught his eye in the woodline. 33 00:01:42,019 --> 00:01:44,809 And when we illuminated that area with light, 34 00:01:44,855 --> 00:01:46,445 it was a dead body. 35 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:48,733 (dramatic music) 36 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:53,486 There was a wound on the back of his head that was bleeding 37 00:01:53,530 --> 00:01:57,950 and there was a shoelace that had been tied around his neck. 38 00:01:57,993 --> 00:01:59,661 Having no more information than that, 39 00:01:59,661 --> 00:02:01,621 there’s a lot of question marks. 40 00:02:10,130 --> 00:02:13,630 We’ve gone from a missing person to a homicide. 41 00:02:13,675 --> 00:02:15,885 (dramatic music) 42 00:02:17,679 --> 00:02:19,429 (pensive music) 43 00:02:19,473 --> 00:02:23,893 - Fred lived about 30 feet across the courtyard from us. 44 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:27,060 If you knew him, you liked him. 45 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:28,935 You know, simple as that. 46 00:02:28,982 --> 00:02:30,572 The thing that I enjoyed most 47 00:02:30,609 --> 00:02:34,109 was having a little Maker’s Mark with him in the afternoon. 48 00:02:34,154 --> 00:02:36,454 - Fred was the only neighbor 49 00:02:36,490 --> 00:02:39,120 ’cause it was a new subdivision going up. 50 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:41,369 He introduced himself to us and he said, 51 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:44,211 "If we need anything, I’m right next door. 52 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:45,667 If you need me, call me." 53 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:49,335 - He told us about how he was getting married 54 00:02:49,378 --> 00:02:51,378 and he was gonna be bringing his wife 55 00:02:51,421 --> 00:02:54,341 from Kentucky to Myrtle Beach in a couple of months. 56 00:02:54,383 --> 00:02:56,053 (gentle music) 57 00:02:56,093 --> 00:03:00,353 - He loved her. And Sherry thought the world of Fred. 58 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:02,969 - Fred did very well for himself. 59 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:05,726 I don’t think money was an object to him. 60 00:03:05,769 --> 00:03:08,559 Fred gave Sherry anything she wanted. 61 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:11,355 - They went to Holland, they went to China, 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,820 they went to New York. 63 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:17,530 He bought her a sports car with a convertible top 64 00:03:17,572 --> 00:03:20,122 and anything she wanted. 65 00:03:20,158 --> 00:03:22,328 You know, everything was just perfect. 66 00:03:23,662 --> 00:03:25,912 (dramatic music) 67 00:03:29,251 --> 00:03:31,631 - They put the shoelace around his neck, 68 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:34,710 cinched it tight and left him to die 69 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:36,506 there in the woods like an animal. 70 00:03:38,343 --> 00:03:39,933 The location of the crime tells me 71 00:03:39,970 --> 00:03:42,350 that it was a crime of opportunity. 72 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:46,394 They wanted it done quickly, they wanted it done officially, 73 00:03:46,435 --> 00:03:47,895 and they wanted it done now. 74 00:03:49,813 --> 00:03:54,233 - Fred was probably 240, 230 pounds. 75 00:03:54,276 --> 00:03:57,696 So we knew that whoever had done this 76 00:03:57,738 --> 00:04:01,118 had to have the strength to drag Fred 77 00:04:01,158 --> 00:04:05,368 into the woods approximately 25 feet. 78 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:07,752 (edgy music) 79 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:13,289 - They were about a size 13 work boot 80 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:15,666 and they had a very long stride. 81 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:18,304 I’m looking for someone most likely a male, 82 00:04:18,341 --> 00:04:21,431 who’s very large and very strong. 83 00:04:21,470 --> 00:04:23,760 (pulsating music) 84 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:33,817 Sherry had said she went to bed around 10:00 PM. 85 00:04:33,857 --> 00:04:36,647 She woke up around 10 minutes before midnight 86 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:39,243 and noticed that Fred wasn’t in the bedroom. 87 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,409 She assumed she would just go downstairs 88 00:04:41,448 --> 00:04:43,068 and he would still be working, 89 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,786 but didn’t find him anywhere else in the condo. 90 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:47,867 Noticed that the mailbox key was gone 91 00:04:47,913 --> 00:04:49,581 and his cell phone was gone. 92 00:04:49,581 --> 00:04:51,621 I took that opportunity to advise her 93 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:55,206 that Fred had been located and he was deceased. 94 00:04:56,755 --> 00:05:00,475 She was immediately inconsolable and collapsed on the couch 95 00:05:00,509 --> 00:05:03,549 to the point that she actually lost consciousness. 96 00:05:03,595 --> 00:05:06,145 I couldn’t find a pulse. 97 00:05:06,181 --> 00:05:10,141 I’m positioning myself to begin CPR 98 00:05:10,185 --> 00:05:12,985 when suddenly she took a deep, agonal breath 99 00:05:13,021 --> 00:05:14,521 and she came back. 100 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:18,279 (indistinct radio chatter) 101 00:05:21,863 --> 00:05:24,413 (tense music) 102 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:33,207 - She thought that the driving was weird, driving so slowly. 103 00:05:33,250 --> 00:05:36,460 She also said that when the truck entered the parking lot 104 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,671 that the lights were already off. 105 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:40,673 - She told me that she sat there a few minutes 106 00:05:40,715 --> 00:05:42,755 and then she says, "I grabbed my bag." 107 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:45,223 She says, "And I hurried up and locked my door, 108 00:05:45,262 --> 00:05:48,182 and I went to my townhouse." 109 00:05:48,223 --> 00:05:51,273 And she said that truck just stayed there. 110 00:05:51,309 --> 00:05:53,269 - She thought that was very abnormal 111 00:05:53,311 --> 00:05:56,311 and suspicious behavior for that neighborhood. 112 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:58,726 But we did not have a license tag number, 113 00:05:58,775 --> 00:06:00,815 we didn’t have a description of a driver. 114 00:06:00,861 --> 00:06:04,111 Leads really weren’t developing at that point. 115 00:06:04,155 --> 00:06:06,525 (tense music) 116 00:06:12,622 --> 00:06:14,962 (intense music) 117 00:06:23,383 --> 00:06:25,473 They had some sort of disagreement 118 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:28,140 about a trashcan receptacle. 119 00:06:29,264 --> 00:06:30,854 Other people in the neighborhood heard 120 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:33,061 he would do harm to Fred Engel. 121 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:38,188 - People said he is terrorizing the area. 122 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:42,861 Nobody has a problem with Fred except this kid. 123 00:06:42,903 --> 00:06:44,573 - Everyone I talked to felt like 124 00:06:44,613 --> 00:06:47,993 he could be capable of murdering someone. 125 00:06:48,033 --> 00:06:50,953 So that immediately made them suspect number one. 126 00:06:52,370 --> 00:06:54,540 (intense music) 127 00:07:00,128 --> 00:07:03,508 We went and recovered video surveillance footage 128 00:07:03,548 --> 00:07:06,128 and it was exactly the way 129 00:07:06,176 --> 00:07:08,216 that juvenile claimed it would be. 130 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:11,811 That completely excluded him from the list of suspects. 131 00:07:11,848 --> 00:07:13,888 I had really come to a point in the investigation 132 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:16,274 very rapidly, where I’d run outta leads 133 00:07:16,311 --> 00:07:18,601 and things seemed to be slowing down. 134 00:07:19,731 --> 00:07:21,521 (clock ticking) 135 00:07:23,693 --> 00:07:25,953 (ominous music) 136 00:07:45,507 --> 00:07:47,837 The most important piece of forensic information 137 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:50,644 that came from the analysis of Fred’s laptop 138 00:07:50,679 --> 00:07:53,809 was that he powered the laptop down about 11:00 139 00:07:53,848 --> 00:07:57,598 and Sherry reported that she woke up around 11:50. 140 00:07:57,644 --> 00:08:00,234 So that narrowed the timeframe down for the murder 141 00:08:00,271 --> 00:08:03,941 to a 50 minute window from 11:00 PM to 11:50. 142 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,740 (pensive music) 143 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:16,665 I had found a block of phone calls and text messages 144 00:08:16,705 --> 00:08:20,295 between Sherry and a 502 area code, 145 00:08:20,333 --> 00:08:23,383 which came back to the Kentucky area. 146 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:26,380 And there were phone calls that were made 147 00:08:26,381 --> 00:08:28,971 and received to this number during the time 148 00:08:29,009 --> 00:08:32,049 that she claimed she was asleep the night of Fred’s murder. 149 00:08:32,095 --> 00:08:33,935 And that was a big alarm bell. 150 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:38,846 This number wasn’t found in her previous calls list. 151 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,733 That tells me she deleted all of the phone calls 152 00:08:41,771 --> 00:08:43,441 she had made during the time period 153 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,153 where she claimed she was asleep. 154 00:08:46,317 --> 00:08:48,817 I knew then Sherry has a lot of information 155 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:51,110 that she’s keeping from me, not only now, 156 00:08:51,156 --> 00:08:53,736 but since the very first moment of the investigation. 157 00:08:56,119 --> 00:08:57,949 (clock ticking) 158 00:09:02,751 --> 00:09:05,291 (eerie music) 159 00:09:08,298 --> 00:09:11,548 I also had cellular data that showed Timmy Rogers’ 160 00:09:11,593 --> 00:09:15,143 cell phone leaving a hotel in Myrtle Beach, 161 00:09:16,264 --> 00:09:17,974 traveling to the crime scene, 162 00:09:19,434 --> 00:09:21,944 traveling back to Kentucky at the exact same time 163 00:09:21,978 --> 00:09:24,558 that Sherry Engel decided to return back to Kentucky. 164 00:09:24,606 --> 00:09:26,976 All of these pieces of information coming together 165 00:09:27,025 --> 00:09:29,905 has just made Timmy Rogers the prime suspect 166 00:09:29,944 --> 00:09:31,824 in Fred Engel’s murder. 167 00:09:31,863 --> 00:09:34,323 (suspenseful music) 168 00:09:40,246 --> 00:09:41,956 They said, "Yep, he’s been staying here 169 00:09:41,998 --> 00:09:43,458 off and on for months." 170 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:45,750 They said he had a small Chevrolet pickup 171 00:09:45,794 --> 00:09:48,674 that was burgundy or maroon in color. 172 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:51,973 And they had seen Sherry and Timmy in a passionate embrace 173 00:09:52,008 --> 00:09:55,178 that included tongue kissing in the lobby of the hotel. 174 00:09:56,221 --> 00:09:59,141 He obviously has a very close relationship with Sherry 175 00:10:00,558 --> 00:10:04,018 and lots of information had come from Sherry’s family. 176 00:10:04,062 --> 00:10:06,612 They all had begun to think that Sherry 177 00:10:06,648 --> 00:10:08,858 may be involved in Fred’s death. 178 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:13,205 - Sherry’s family really loved Fred 179 00:10:13,238 --> 00:10:17,698 and are very eager to talk to the police. 180 00:10:19,202 --> 00:10:24,172 She has been seen several times with Timmy Rogers, 181 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:27,997 especially around the time of planning for the funeral. 182 00:10:28,044 --> 00:10:30,634 Whispering, going off in private 183 00:10:30,672 --> 00:10:34,182 and Fred’s not even cold yet. 184 00:10:34,217 --> 00:10:37,257 - Fred’s a legitimate international businessman. 185 00:10:37,262 --> 00:10:40,772 I feel like Sherry believed there was a large estate 186 00:10:40,807 --> 00:10:42,097 that she would inherit. 187 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:44,392 All of these pieces of information that I had 188 00:10:44,435 --> 00:10:45,935 were starting to come together 189 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:48,059 and I had enough probable cause to seek arrest warrants 190 00:10:48,106 --> 00:10:50,316 for Timmy Rogers and Sherry Engel. 191 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:58,570 (eerie music) 192 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,343 We found Sherry coming out of a drugstore. 193 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:10,707 Her whole demeanor changed. 194 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:13,665 Her eyes sunk and she knew exactly why we were there. 195 00:11:13,715 --> 00:11:16,135 Timmy was located at his residence. 196 00:11:16,176 --> 00:11:19,506 He didn’t provide any resistance whatsoever. 197 00:11:19,554 --> 00:11:22,184 My initial impression of Timmy Rogers, 198 00:11:22,223 --> 00:11:24,683 he seemed large enough and physically capable 199 00:11:24,726 --> 00:11:26,056 of actually doing this. 200 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:29,650 A 6’4" guy that literally used to be a lumberjack. 201 00:11:29,689 --> 00:11:31,939 (clock ticking) 202 00:11:51,252 --> 00:11:55,262 - We are dealing with a lot of circumstantial evidence. 203 00:11:55,298 --> 00:11:59,048 There is no DNA, it was going to be a challenge 204 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:01,303 at convicting two people. 205 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,006 - I felt like that would be important 206 00:12:03,056 --> 00:12:06,016 to our prosecution team to get 207 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:08,019 at least one of these people on board 208 00:12:08,061 --> 00:12:09,271 and break the case. 209 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:19,661 - Fred was just a genuine person. 210 00:12:19,697 --> 00:12:22,777 They did go to Holland and they did bring back 211 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:25,325 my granddaughter a pair of wooden shoes. 212 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:29,750 - Sherry and Fred didn’t appear to have any problems at all. 213 00:12:29,791 --> 00:12:31,421 - I was shocked to even hear 214 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,959 that Sherry was even considered a suspect. 215 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:37,296 I could not believe it, not at all. 216 00:12:37,340 --> 00:12:39,630 (gentle music) 217 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:43,801 (intense music) 218 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:13,753 - With Timmy’s demeanor, 219 00:13:13,793 --> 00:13:17,053 I didn’t feel like I could push him very far, very fast 220 00:13:17,088 --> 00:13:19,548 and I wanted him to feel like he could talk to me. 221 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:32,618 - It was really important to me to begin opening up 222 00:14:32,663 --> 00:14:35,463 the conversation about his relationship with Sherry 223 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,670 and that’s the goal. 224 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:38,879 To give them some sort of stimulus 225 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 that causes them to provide information about the case. 226 00:15:09,409 --> 00:15:12,949 - When I asked him why he didn’t stay with Sherry, 227 00:15:12,995 --> 00:15:14,285 I made a note. 228 00:15:14,330 --> 00:15:15,710 It seemed to panic Timmy. 229 00:15:15,748 --> 00:15:18,038 Even leaned forward to see if he could figure out 230 00:15:18,126 --> 00:15:19,666 exactly what I was writing down. 231 00:15:20,837 --> 00:15:23,627 I knew that was a button I could go back and push 232 00:15:23,673 --> 00:15:26,633 and amp up that stress level anytime I needed to. 233 00:15:26,676 --> 00:15:28,676 That’s a very valuable tactical tool. 234 00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:03,667 - At this point I had been conversational. 235 00:16:03,713 --> 00:16:05,303 I had tried to be his friend 236 00:16:05,339 --> 00:16:07,049 and that hadn’t gotten very good results. 237 00:16:07,091 --> 00:16:08,681 So now’s the time to turn up the heat. 238 00:17:15,409 --> 00:17:17,539 It was important to me to cut him off 239 00:17:17,578 --> 00:17:19,828 whenever I felt like he was lying so he would understand 240 00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:23,382 the amount of information that I already had received. 241 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,287 And I wanted him to understand that there were 242 00:17:25,336 --> 00:17:28,256 significant consequences to the crime 243 00:17:28,297 --> 00:17:29,717 that we were investigating. 244 00:18:25,896 --> 00:18:28,016 (edgy music) 245 00:18:51,756 --> 00:18:54,676 It was an opportunity to make Timmy believe 246 00:18:54,717 --> 00:18:56,837 that Sherry Engel was providing 247 00:18:56,886 --> 00:19:00,096 all of the gory details of this case. 248 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,849 When people realize, in those situations, 249 00:19:02,892 --> 00:19:05,812 that someone else may be speaking for them, 250 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:07,863 very often it comes very important to them 251 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,647 to tell their own story. 252 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:26,755 I was really hoping to get some sort of response outta him, 253 00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:29,211 but once again, he was able to regain his composure 254 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:31,671 and not really provide any information. 255 00:20:23,264 --> 00:20:25,224 So as this information is landing, 256 00:20:25,266 --> 00:20:27,306 his body is just deflating. 257 00:20:27,351 --> 00:20:29,691 I’m moving along at the right pace here 258 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:32,359 and the response his body’s giving me is telling me that. 259 00:20:50,249 --> 00:20:52,879 - As meek and mild as he may have been, 260 00:20:52,918 --> 00:20:55,918 he stuck to his story like a champ. 261 00:20:56,005 --> 00:20:57,885 He would not come off of it. 262 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:11,266 I felt like it was important to push him from another angle. 263 00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:14,112 He knew he was having a adulterous relationship 264 00:21:14,148 --> 00:21:15,898 with a married woman. 265 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:18,821 I hoped that introducing that thought to Timmy 266 00:21:18,861 --> 00:21:21,201 would give him the motivation to speak 267 00:21:21,238 --> 00:21:23,238 and tell us his side of the story. 268 00:22:31,767 --> 00:22:33,477 Having two investigators 269 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,899 interrogating somebody is valuable. 270 00:22:35,938 --> 00:22:39,728 My partner did a great job of stepping in at any moment 271 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:42,935 that he knew that something needed to be said. 272 00:22:42,987 --> 00:22:45,527 (tense music) 273 00:23:27,281 --> 00:23:30,581 - Immediately, my hopes jumped really high. 274 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:33,748 It was the first time he had said anything negative 275 00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:35,827 about Sherry in any capacity. 276 00:23:35,873 --> 00:23:39,463 We had crossed a threshold where he was going to be willing 277 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,671 to actually say what he did. 278 00:23:41,712 --> 00:23:43,802 (dramatic music) 279 00:23:47,885 --> 00:23:50,055 (gentle music) 280 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:34,926 - He was just so secure in his love for Sherry, 281 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:36,774 in doing what he thought was the right thing 282 00:24:36,809 --> 00:24:38,189 for their relationship. 283 00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:41,858 And that was deny everything, every accusation we had. 284 00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,187 (anxious music) 285 00:24:56,829 --> 00:24:59,619 - We really didn’t have any direct evidence 286 00:24:59,623 --> 00:25:01,583 against Timmy Rogers. 287 00:25:01,625 --> 00:25:03,835 And without her breaking down, 288 00:25:03,877 --> 00:25:06,837 I think we go a little bit better than a coin toss 289 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,470 at convicting two people for this murder. 290 00:25:10,509 --> 00:25:12,339 - I had been dealing with Sherry Engel 291 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,224 since the moment this crime occurred 292 00:25:15,264 --> 00:25:18,024 and I felt like that she would be just like Timmy, 293 00:25:18,058 --> 00:25:19,598 she would deny everything. 294 00:25:19,685 --> 00:25:21,655 So I had some pieces of evidence 295 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:24,307 and information about the case to cut her off. 296 00:26:15,032 --> 00:26:17,082 - I had Sherry’s cellular telephone records. 297 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:19,827 I had Fred’s cellular telephone records. 298 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:23,080 She made no phone calls in an attempt to try to locate Fred 299 00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:25,175 because she already knew Fred was dead. 300 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,932 (tense music) 301 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:46,920 - When I presented the jewelry to Sherry 302 00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:48,577 that I had seized from Timmy, 303 00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:51,795 I thought that that may be an opportunity to push her in 304 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:55,297 that emotional direction to start becoming truthful. 305 00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:58,430 But she was able to continue with her act 306 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,218 and didn’t really break. 307 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:23,930 - She shifted forward and back really quickly. 308 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,601 It was really the first time she’d shown any cracks 309 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,020 since the beginning of the case. 310 00:30:24,906 --> 00:30:27,026 (pensive music) 311 00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:36,939 - It was a significant diversion tactic for her 312 00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:40,728 to further paint herself as that grieving widow. 313 00:31:40,774 --> 00:31:42,234 So as an investigator, 314 00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:44,187 you have to have a skillset to be able to push through it 315 00:31:44,236 --> 00:31:46,026 and actually get ’em back on track. 316 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:48,821 It was important to basically put the whole case out there. 317 00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:50,445 This is what we’re gonna put you in jail with 318 00:31:50,492 --> 00:31:51,662 for the rest of your life. 319 00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:58,079 - She denied, she tried to divert. 320 00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,459 So the last tactic I really felt like I had left 321 00:34:00,497 --> 00:34:03,577 was having more pointed language, more sarcasm. 322 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:28,535 - We came at her from every angle we could think of, 323 00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:30,505 with every piece of evidence that we had, 324 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:34,125 every possible emotional trigger we could come up with 325 00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:36,514 and it just didn’t get through to her. 326 00:35:36,551 --> 00:35:39,011 (tense music) 327 00:35:46,561 --> 00:35:49,651 I did not expect to really ever speak to her again. 328 00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:51,439 I expected her, from that point forward 329 00:35:51,483 --> 00:35:54,363 to have no further contact with us. 330 00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:55,702 About an hour and a half after 331 00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:57,947 that initial interview with Sherry, 332 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:00,867 she relayed a message through the sheriff’s office 333 00:36:00,867 --> 00:36:03,657 that she wanted to speak to us again. 334 00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:05,083 That was very surprising. 335 00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,021 (pulsating music) 336 00:36:40,532 --> 00:36:43,582 - I think that she understood there was a possibility 337 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:47,538 that Timmy could be providing all of the information 338 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:49,670 about what had happened up to that point. 339 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,708 And I think that panicked her. 340 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:54,171 She trusted him enough to kill her husband, 341 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,472 but she didn’t trust him enough to not rat her out for murder. 342 00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:49,328 (Sherry crying uncontrollably) 343 00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:56,793 Her husband wasn’t shot. 344 00:38:56,835 --> 00:38:58,755 Timmy lied to her, which is no surprise. 345 00:38:58,795 --> 00:39:01,055 Murderers tell lies. 346 00:39:01,089 --> 00:39:04,129 But Sherry’s finally expressing some real emotion, 347 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:07,175 but she’s still responsible for his death. 348 00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:11,640 It was really important to me to make a strong effort 349 00:39:11,683 --> 00:39:15,813 to get her to state her actual role in this. 350 00:40:10,617 --> 00:40:13,786 - To have her finally provide that information 351 00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,366 was such a relief. 352 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,083 She essentially dispatched her own husband to his own death. 353 00:40:19,167 --> 00:40:21,537 And the only way I knew that for sure 354 00:40:21,586 --> 00:40:23,546 is Sherry Engel confessed to it. 355 00:40:30,511 --> 00:40:32,971 (somber music) 356 00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,667 (clock ticking) 357 00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:03,876 (pensive music) 358 00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:13,140 - This case was never a slam dunk, 359 00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:16,559 but when Sherry came through and told the story 360 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:19,559 of what happened, now you’ve got direct evidence. 361 00:41:19,602 --> 00:41:25,072 Sherry’s interrogation was so important to this case 362 00:41:25,108 --> 00:41:28,568 that I chose to turn Sherry as the state’s witness. 363 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:32,658 (clock ticking) 364 00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,406 (droning music) 365 00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:55,138 - Sherry Engel is a master manipulator. 366 00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:57,679 She’s a person that holds ill will in her heart 367 00:41:57,724 --> 00:41:58,814 for many people. 368 00:41:58,850 --> 00:42:00,810 And in this particular case, 369 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:03,022 that manifested itself in murder. 370 00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:06,822 The saddest aspect of this case is the effort 371 00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:08,478 and the devotion and the love 372 00:42:08,568 --> 00:42:10,188 that Fred Engel had for his wife. 373 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:14,406 - I would like people to remember Fred Engel 374 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:16,529 for the man that he was. 375 00:42:16,576 --> 00:42:21,036 He was hardworking, he was generous, he was friendly. 376 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,790 Just a really nice guy. 377 00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:25,715 Sherry, well, there’s a letter saying, 378 00:42:25,752 --> 00:42:29,302 "Please come to the prison where I can explain myself." 379 00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:32,218 You don’t have to explain yourself to me, 380 00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:34,178 explain yourself to God. 381 00:42:34,218 --> 00:42:36,468 (somber piano music)