1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,375 [ominous music] 2 00:00:42,875 --> 00:00:45,542 [ominous music] 3 00:00:55,167 --> 00:00:58,250 - A 911 call came into dispatch. 4 00:00:59,083 --> 00:01:02,000 I was notified to start for Amity Route 1 5 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,208 for a child with a wound to his back. 6 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:09,167 When I pulled in, the trailer was dark 7 00:01:09,167 --> 00:01:10,708 and I approached the building. 8 00:01:12,250 --> 00:01:14,250 When I entered, one of the first things I did pick up 9 00:01:14,250 --> 00:01:16,292 was a lot of blood on the couch 10 00:01:17,708 --> 00:01:19,417 and blood on the floor. 11 00:01:19,417 --> 00:01:21,375 Beer bottles on the counter. 12 00:01:21,375 --> 00:01:24,208 Cigarettes in the ashtray. 13 00:01:24,208 --> 00:01:27,625 As I moved down the hallway, I got to the last room, 14 00:01:27,625 --> 00:01:31,458 which was a bedroom, and there was blood on the doorjamb. 15 00:01:33,208 --> 00:01:35,417 When I tried to push the door open, 16 00:01:35,417 --> 00:01:37,833 the door opened a little bit and came against something. 17 00:01:37,833 --> 00:01:39,167 I couldn't move it. 18 00:01:39,167 --> 00:01:41,250 So I stuck my head through the opening 19 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:45,208 and looked down, and I saw a deceased child. 20 00:01:45,208 --> 00:01:47,208 His back had a lot of dried blood 21 00:01:47,208 --> 00:01:50,042 and I saw six to eight stab wounds. 22 00:01:50,042 --> 00:01:53,708 [ominous music continues] 23 00:01:53,708 --> 00:01:56,875 At that point, another officer yelled to me 24 00:01:56,875 --> 00:01:59,292 and he was illuminating something. 25 00:01:59,292 --> 00:02:03,625 There was a male adult body underneath an old chicken coop, 26 00:02:05,167 --> 00:02:07,708 and he was obviously deceased. 27 00:02:07,708 --> 00:02:09,542 - His body was in a bit of an odd position. 28 00:02:09,542 --> 00:02:13,875 It was almost as if he had tried to escape 29 00:02:13,875 --> 00:02:15,917 or get away from a threat. 30 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:19,208 And he had very similar multiple stab wounds to his torso 31 00:02:19,208 --> 00:02:20,500 that the child had 32 00:02:20,500 --> 00:02:22,750 on the interior of the residence itself. 33 00:02:22,750 --> 00:02:24,625 [ominous music continues] 34 00:02:36,042 --> 00:02:37,542 - At this point, 35 00:02:37,542 --> 00:02:40,583 one of the troopers noticed a third body laying 36 00:02:40,583 --> 00:02:43,667 in tall grass right there in the driveway. 37 00:02:45,042 --> 00:02:46,625 There were so many stab wounds. 38 00:02:46,625 --> 00:02:49,375 He had a major gash across his throat. 39 00:02:49,375 --> 00:02:52,875 It looked as if his head was almost decapitated 40 00:02:52,875 --> 00:02:53,792 at this point. 41 00:02:59,875 --> 00:03:01,292 We were able to narrow down 42 00:03:01,292 --> 00:03:04,542 that the homicide occurred sometime Tuesday night. 43 00:03:04,542 --> 00:03:08,208 The bodies were found 24 hours after it occurred. 44 00:03:08,208 --> 00:03:11,542 So whoever did this has a 24-hour run on us. 45 00:03:19,375 --> 00:03:21,208 They found three beer bottles 46 00:03:21,208 --> 00:03:23,042 that were sitting on the cupboard. 47 00:03:23,042 --> 00:03:26,292 So we have two adult males that are dead. 48 00:03:26,292 --> 00:03:29,667 Is the killer responsible for the third beer? 49 00:03:29,667 --> 00:03:32,667 Also in the cupboard, we found an ashtray. 50 00:03:32,667 --> 00:03:34,667 There were two different brands of cigarettes 51 00:03:34,667 --> 00:03:35,958 in that ashtray. 52 00:03:35,958 --> 00:03:37,250 One person normally doesn't smoke 53 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:39,458 two different brands of cigarettes. 54 00:03:39,458 --> 00:03:42,208 Maybe one of them belongs to the killer. 55 00:03:42,208 --> 00:03:45,417 [tense music] 56 00:03:52,042 --> 00:03:53,917 There's quite an urgency on our hands 57 00:03:53,917 --> 00:03:56,167 to find whoever did this. 58 00:03:56,167 --> 00:03:57,833 It didn't take long for the word to get out 59 00:03:57,833 --> 00:03:59,667 that we have a killer out there somewhere. 60 00:03:59,667 --> 00:04:01,875 And people were getting very, very scared. 61 00:04:03,375 --> 00:04:06,333 [wind whooshing] 62 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:09,875 [tense music] 63 00:04:14,042 --> 00:04:17,458 - Bob Strout and his wife lived a short distance down 64 00:04:17,458 --> 00:04:19,208 the road on Route 1. 65 00:04:19,208 --> 00:04:20,500 And Detective Dale Keegan 66 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:21,875 and I knocked on the door 67 00:04:21,875 --> 00:04:24,750 and basically told them what had taken place. 68 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:26,958 They expressed that it was a terrible thing 69 00:04:26,958 --> 00:04:29,917 and how bad it was, but there wasn't a whole lot of emotion 70 00:04:29,917 --> 00:04:34,833 or sympathy, which just came across as odd to me. 71 00:04:34,833 --> 00:04:37,583 - This is really, you know, for something like this 72 00:04:37,583 --> 00:04:39,542 to happen in a small town like this, 73 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,792 you just can't believe it. 74 00:04:41,792 --> 00:04:43,042 Can't believe it. 75 00:04:43,042 --> 00:04:45,500 - And when the detectives left Bob Strout's house, 76 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:49,167 they pounded on doors, but there was a lack of leads. 77 00:04:49,167 --> 00:04:50,167 Someone had killed three people, 78 00:04:50,167 --> 00:04:52,708 and we have no clue who did it. 79 00:04:52,708 --> 00:04:54,708 [gentle music] 80 00:04:54,708 --> 00:04:59,708 - I think my dad lived life to its fullest every single day. 81 00:05:00,833 --> 00:05:02,708 I remember me, him, and my great-grandfather 82 00:05:02,708 --> 00:05:04,542 actually planned a big hunting trip 83 00:05:04,542 --> 00:05:06,000 and we got stranded out in the woods. 84 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,208 The car broke down. 85 00:05:07,208 --> 00:05:09,292 But, you know, my dad made the best of it. 86 00:05:09,292 --> 00:05:10,875 He put up some bottles 87 00:05:10,875 --> 00:05:13,292 that we could practice target shooting with. 88 00:05:14,042 --> 00:05:15,708 He really enjoyed life 89 00:05:15,708 --> 00:05:18,708 and enjoyed making the best of the little things. 90 00:05:18,708 --> 00:05:21,333 My dad and Jeff, they were really close. 91 00:05:21,333 --> 00:05:23,250 They did everything together. 92 00:05:23,250 --> 00:05:24,875 He was like family to me. 93 00:05:24,875 --> 00:05:26,250 We called him Uncle Jeff. 94 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:30,875 He was a kindhearted guy that, he'd do anything for anyone. 95 00:05:30,875 --> 00:05:32,042 [melancholy music] 96 00:05:32,042 --> 00:05:34,292 Jesse was a grade ahead of me. 97 00:05:34,292 --> 00:05:35,833 He was a jokester. 98 00:05:35,833 --> 00:05:39,042 He loved, loved to joke, pull little pranks. 99 00:05:39,042 --> 00:05:41,667 Every Sunday was NASCAR day. 100 00:05:41,667 --> 00:05:44,542 Jeff would make a whole bunch of food for everyone, 101 00:05:44,542 --> 00:05:47,292 and me and Jesse would go play his PlayStation 102 00:05:47,292 --> 00:05:49,208 or we'd play on the computer. 103 00:05:49,208 --> 00:05:50,667 He was my best friend. 104 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,542 [tense music] 105 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:07,083 - Each puncture wound seemed to have a puncture, twist, 106 00:06:07,083 --> 00:06:08,583 and then a removal. 107 00:06:08,583 --> 00:06:11,458 And then puncture, twist, remove, puncture, twist, remove, 108 00:06:11,458 --> 00:06:16,125 which had some potential military relation and training. 109 00:06:16,125 --> 00:06:17,708 - About the same time period, 110 00:06:17,708 --> 00:06:20,875 we were getting calls back from our crime lab in Augusta. 111 00:06:20,875 --> 00:06:23,208 It was unique that they found that the three bottles 112 00:06:23,208 --> 00:06:24,542 that were on the scene, 113 00:06:24,542 --> 00:06:27,708 one of them belonged to the victim, Jeffrey, 114 00:06:27,708 --> 00:06:29,833 one of them had belonged to Jason, 115 00:06:29,833 --> 00:06:33,833 and the other bottle was an unknown male DNA. 116 00:06:33,833 --> 00:06:36,542 Also, we were able to find fingerprints 117 00:06:36,542 --> 00:06:37,875 on all three bottles. 118 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:40,667 So one bottle had DNA of an unknown male 119 00:06:40,667 --> 00:06:42,833 and a fingerprint that was not on file. 120 00:06:42,833 --> 00:06:45,917 Doesn't mean he's the killer, but who is that mystery man? 121 00:06:47,125 --> 00:06:49,792 [birds chirping] 122 00:06:49,792 --> 00:06:51,375 [tense music] 123 00:06:51,375 --> 00:06:54,000 [clock ticks] 124 00:06:55,208 --> 00:06:56,417 - A few days into the investigation, 125 00:06:56,417 --> 00:06:59,083 we had a caller who described seeing smoke 126 00:06:59,083 --> 00:07:02,750 not far down the road off Route 1, not far from the scene. 127 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:06,375 And investigators went down to that location 128 00:07:06,375 --> 00:07:08,042 and discovered the clearing in the wood 129 00:07:08,042 --> 00:07:11,000 where Jeffrey Ryan's pickup truck was located 130 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,875 and had been set on fire. 131 00:07:14,083 --> 00:07:17,000 - It was burned beyond recognition at this point. 132 00:07:18,625 --> 00:07:19,917 - Also, we had a witness 133 00:07:19,917 --> 00:07:23,542 that saw a maroon-colored pickup truck nearby 134 00:07:23,542 --> 00:07:26,625 where Jeff's truck was found one day after the murders 135 00:07:26,625 --> 00:07:29,708 that they felt looked like Bob Strout's truck, 136 00:07:29,708 --> 00:07:31,708 and that it looked like Bob 137 00:07:31,708 --> 00:07:35,500 and a young male were in the pickup truck. 138 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:40,000 - We also learned that Bob Strout left the area 139 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,292 after the murder and traveled down to New Hampshire. 140 00:07:43,292 --> 00:07:44,667 It drew a red flag to me 141 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,042 that maybe Bob was more involved in this 142 00:07:47,042 --> 00:07:49,125 than he wished to admit to. 143 00:07:49,125 --> 00:07:51,625 So at this point, I wanted to follow up with Bob 144 00:07:51,625 --> 00:07:53,833 to ask some more detailed questions. 145 00:07:56,167 --> 00:07:58,708 [birds chirping] 146 00:07:58,708 --> 00:08:01,042 When we arrived at Bob Strout's house to speak with him, 147 00:08:01,042 --> 00:08:03,500 one of the questions we had for Bob was, 148 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:05,375 why did you go to New Hampshire? 149 00:08:05,375 --> 00:08:06,667 He said, yeah, you're right. 150 00:08:06,667 --> 00:08:08,958 I went down to drop Thayne off down there 151 00:08:08,958 --> 00:08:10,375 and left him there. 152 00:08:10,375 --> 00:08:12,500 This is the first time any of us ever heard 153 00:08:12,500 --> 00:08:13,917 of the name Thayne. 154 00:08:13,917 --> 00:08:16,958 So obvious question, who is Thayne? 155 00:08:16,958 --> 00:08:18,292 [ominous music] 156 00:08:18,292 --> 00:08:21,417 Bob said that Thayne Ormsby was a friend of the family. 157 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:23,958 Thayne was staying up here for a couple weeks, 158 00:08:23,958 --> 00:08:25,167 living with Bob, 159 00:08:25,167 --> 00:08:27,667 and was up here at the time of the murder. 160 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:29,875 - A few days later, Bob took him 161 00:08:29,875 --> 00:08:32,583 to his new apartment down in Dover, New Hampshire. 162 00:08:33,917 --> 00:08:36,458 You know, red flag number one. 163 00:08:36,458 --> 00:08:38,667 Thayne's name's never been mentioned. 164 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:41,500 Red flag number two, Bob's taking him out of state. 165 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:43,708 So we need to talk to Thayne. 166 00:08:46,958 --> 00:08:49,625 [clock ticking] 167 00:08:57,750 --> 00:09:00,125 We go knocking on his door to say, okay, Thayne, 168 00:09:00,125 --> 00:09:01,708 we're detectives with the Maine State Police. 169 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:03,083 We have good information 170 00:09:03,083 --> 00:09:04,542 that you were up at Bob Strout's residence. 171 00:09:04,542 --> 00:09:05,875 Got some basic questions. 172 00:09:05,875 --> 00:09:08,083 His reaction to that was basically, yeah, sure. 173 00:09:08,083 --> 00:09:09,042 I'll talk to you. 174 00:09:10,083 --> 00:09:13,542 - Our job is to make sure to come in calm, 175 00:09:13,542 --> 00:09:15,875 come in kind of nonchalant, 176 00:09:15,875 --> 00:09:17,917 become their friend, if you will. 177 00:09:17,917 --> 00:09:21,000 So he agreed to come to our cruiser and speak to us. 178 00:09:41,875 --> 00:09:43,125 Obviously you can't smoke in a cruiser, 179 00:09:43,125 --> 00:09:46,333 but I immediately said yes, light up. 180 00:09:46,333 --> 00:09:49,375 'Cause I wanted to see what he has for cigarettes. 181 00:09:49,375 --> 00:09:51,042 And what was significant to me is 182 00:09:51,042 --> 00:09:54,000 that the cigarette was a white filter on it, 183 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,625 which in my mind, real quick, 184 00:09:55,625 --> 00:09:57,042 looking at it from the picture, 185 00:09:57,042 --> 00:09:59,708 it matched the cigarette that was found at the scene. 186 00:11:53,083 --> 00:11:54,542 - After we collected Thayne's DNA and fingerprints, 187 00:11:54,542 --> 00:11:56,250 we got out of the vehicle. 188 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:59,125 And basically Dale made the statement to him 189 00:11:59,125 --> 00:12:01,792 as he is shaking his hand by saying, 190 00:12:01,792 --> 00:12:04,208 you know, if you did this, we're gonna get you. 191 00:12:04,208 --> 00:12:07,083 And Thayne's response to that was, "I know you will." 192 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,875 [melancholy music] [birds chirping] 193 00:12:15,875 --> 00:12:18,333 [water whooshing] 194 00:12:18,333 --> 00:12:20,708 - The moment that I found out my dad died, 195 00:12:20,708 --> 00:12:23,875 I was at his house with my stepmother. 196 00:12:23,875 --> 00:12:25,708 And she sat me down on the couch 197 00:12:25,708 --> 00:12:27,167 and she just said, 198 00:12:27,167 --> 00:12:29,375 "Look, you know, Daddy's not coming home tonight." 199 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:32,417 I was never gonna be able to go hunting 200 00:12:32,417 --> 00:12:34,500 with him again or fishing. 201 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,042 That was what my life consisted of, 202 00:12:36,042 --> 00:12:38,375 was looking forward to the weekends with my dad. 203 00:12:39,625 --> 00:12:41,500 It's hard to process still, 204 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:44,000 but when people remember my dad, 205 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,958 I'd love for them, you know, to remember his warm heart. 206 00:12:48,042 --> 00:12:49,417 You know, if someone was broken down 207 00:12:49,417 --> 00:12:50,958 on the side of the road, 208 00:12:50,958 --> 00:12:52,875 he'd be, like, the first one there to stop and help them. 209 00:12:54,167 --> 00:12:56,833 He would do anything for anyone. 210 00:12:56,833 --> 00:12:59,708 And he loved his family more than anything. 211 00:12:59,708 --> 00:13:03,292 [melancholy music continues] 212 00:13:13,458 --> 00:13:17,208 - We got the DNA results back within a couple days, 213 00:13:17,208 --> 00:13:19,250 and we were able to confirm that the DNA 214 00:13:19,250 --> 00:13:20,417 in that beer bottle, 215 00:13:20,417 --> 00:13:23,583 along with the fingerprints on that beer bottle, 216 00:13:23,583 --> 00:13:25,792 matches Thayne Ormsby. 217 00:13:25,792 --> 00:13:27,417 - We had no DNA, no prints, 218 00:13:27,417 --> 00:13:31,250 to point towards anybody else's involvement besides his. 219 00:13:31,250 --> 00:13:33,250 So if he committed these murders, 220 00:13:33,250 --> 00:13:36,292 it's a high probability he did it by himself. 221 00:13:36,292 --> 00:13:39,042 But he was there staying with Bob Strout at his house. 222 00:13:39,042 --> 00:13:42,708 So we have confidence Bob was involved 223 00:13:42,708 --> 00:13:44,083 at least after the fact, 224 00:13:44,083 --> 00:13:46,917 not necessarily in the actual murders themselves, 225 00:13:46,917 --> 00:13:51,250 but in an effort to help conceal Thayne's involvement. 226 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:54,208 - We had a team of detectives that were gonna put together 227 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,500 and do a strategic interview of Bob 228 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:59,125 at the same time that Detective Stoutamyer and I 229 00:13:59,125 --> 00:14:01,333 were gonna go to New Hampshire to interview Thayne. 230 00:14:01,333 --> 00:14:04,333 We were gonna do a simultaneous interview. 231 00:14:04,333 --> 00:14:06,542 - We don't want them tipping off the other individual. 232 00:14:06,542 --> 00:14:09,958 So it's important to do these things simultaneously 233 00:14:09,958 --> 00:14:11,250 because you're taking them out 234 00:14:11,250 --> 00:14:13,208 of communication with each other. 235 00:14:13,208 --> 00:14:15,708 And if we find out Bob provided the information 236 00:14:15,708 --> 00:14:17,208 that we needed, 237 00:14:17,208 --> 00:14:18,542 that was the time we were gonna put the added pressure 238 00:14:18,542 --> 00:14:21,167 onto Thayne and change our interrogation strategy. 239 00:14:26,917 --> 00:14:28,292 [horn beeps] 240 00:14:28,292 --> 00:14:31,292 [clock ticks] 241 00:14:31,292 --> 00:14:33,833 [somber music] 242 00:14:38,375 --> 00:14:41,208 - Talking to Thayne, it was very critical for us 243 00:14:41,208 --> 00:14:45,458 to make sure that he knew that we are still, quote, friends, 244 00:14:45,458 --> 00:14:47,792 that he is there to help us, 245 00:14:47,792 --> 00:14:49,625 that he was not under arrest, 246 00:14:49,625 --> 00:14:52,250 that he was coming freely to the PD. 247 00:15:01,917 --> 00:15:03,375 - We were gonna meet with Thayne, 248 00:15:03,375 --> 00:15:05,083 gather more historical information, 249 00:15:05,083 --> 00:15:07,250 and bide our time during the interrogation 250 00:15:07,250 --> 00:15:09,042 until we got the details about 251 00:15:09,042 --> 00:15:10,875 where they were at when they were talking to Bob. 252 00:15:52,375 --> 00:15:54,292 - Most people will say a monster would do this. 253 00:15:54,292 --> 00:15:56,417 They killed a 10-year-old kid. 254 00:15:56,417 --> 00:15:58,042 The guy's a monster. 255 00:15:58,042 --> 00:16:00,458 And someone that did it just kinda play, 256 00:16:00,458 --> 00:16:02,042 I don't know. 257 00:16:02,042 --> 00:16:04,000 "I guess I haven't given it much thought," 258 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,208 like he says. 259 00:16:05,208 --> 00:16:06,542 How can you not give it much thought? 260 00:16:06,542 --> 00:16:09,458 This is a small town U.S.A., you were a mile away. 261 00:16:09,458 --> 00:16:12,125 Three people got killed and you don't think about it? 262 00:16:12,125 --> 00:16:14,917 [tense music] 263 00:16:47,125 --> 00:16:49,250 [tense music] 264 00:17:18,958 --> 00:17:21,250 [ominous music] 265 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,250 [vehicle roars past] 266 00:18:37,542 --> 00:18:40,042 - Here's this horrible, heinous crime. 267 00:18:40,042 --> 00:18:42,208 You got three people stabbed to death. 268 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,583 The community, the county, the state wants answers. 269 00:18:44,583 --> 00:18:46,750 They want this person reeled in quick 270 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,292 before he does anything more. 271 00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:49,417 And it's just a matter 272 00:18:49,417 --> 00:18:51,458 of whether you can prove who did it. 273 00:18:51,458 --> 00:18:54,250 Bob gave his rendition that Thayne said that he did it. 274 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:55,375 He killed them all. 275 00:18:55,375 --> 00:18:57,292 But no matter what Bob said, 276 00:18:57,292 --> 00:18:59,583 we still had to get that confession from Thayne 277 00:18:59,583 --> 00:19:02,833 so it isn't anything that he can get away from. 278 00:19:02,833 --> 00:19:05,333 [tense music] 279 00:19:14,333 --> 00:19:15,708 - At the time we were talking with Thayne 280 00:19:15,708 --> 00:19:18,125 while those simultaneous interviews were going on, 281 00:19:18,125 --> 00:19:21,083 we're killing time because we had no awareness 282 00:19:21,083 --> 00:19:24,292 of what exactly in detail Bob was providing. 283 00:19:24,292 --> 00:19:26,250 Thayne was coming across as Thayne, 284 00:19:26,250 --> 00:19:28,458 talking about himself, boosting his ego. 285 00:19:28,458 --> 00:19:31,375 It was almost like talking to an actor portraying Thayne. 286 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:02,417 - Several times I would leave the room to get feedback 287 00:20:02,542 --> 00:20:04,542 and what's going on up with Bob. 288 00:20:11,417 --> 00:20:13,625 - My knowledge of Bob's involvement 289 00:20:13,625 --> 00:20:16,417 was completely encompassed into a note 290 00:20:16,417 --> 00:20:18,833 that Dale had written on when he came back in 291 00:20:18,833 --> 00:20:21,042 from one of the breaks that we had taken, 292 00:20:21,042 --> 00:20:22,500 and handed it to me saying 293 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,083 that Bob Strout gave up Thayne and that he killed them all. 294 00:20:25,083 --> 00:20:26,417 When we knew that Bob had given up Thayne, 295 00:20:26,417 --> 00:20:28,125 we knew that was when we were gonna take our turn 296 00:20:28,125 --> 00:20:29,542 and we were gonna hit the gas pedal. 297 00:20:29,542 --> 00:20:31,375 And I just looked at it and tucked it in my notepad 298 00:20:31,375 --> 00:20:33,208 knowing that Thayne was our killer. 299 00:20:33,208 --> 00:20:35,458 He was one that committed these three murders. 300 00:21:42,292 --> 00:21:44,875 - Thayne could be easily distracted. 301 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:46,625 So if you take him down a line of questioning 302 00:21:46,625 --> 00:21:49,042 and then take him down another line of questioning 303 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:50,833 and then bring him back to where he left off, 304 00:21:50,833 --> 00:21:52,542 he'll forget what he may have told you 305 00:21:52,542 --> 00:21:55,208 and might contradict himself. 306 00:21:55,208 --> 00:21:57,375 Our intent was to poke holes in his story. 307 00:23:07,417 --> 00:23:10,042 - He drew a pretty accurate diagram. 308 00:23:10,042 --> 00:23:11,417 I thought unique that he was able 309 00:23:11,417 --> 00:23:13,375 to actually draw those rooms better 310 00:23:13,375 --> 00:23:15,250 than I could at that point. 311 00:23:15,250 --> 00:23:18,583 So very telling that he was in that house. 312 00:24:33,042 --> 00:24:35,833 [tense music] 313 00:24:52,792 --> 00:24:56,458 I could see where cracks are starting to happen in his story 314 00:24:56,458 --> 00:24:59,083 where I caught him in a lie. 315 00:25:00,292 --> 00:25:02,250 I could feel my temperature going up. 316 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:03,625 We got three dead bodies there, 317 00:25:03,625 --> 00:25:05,042 one involving a kid, 318 00:25:05,042 --> 00:25:06,708 and you're lying during an investigation. 319 00:25:06,708 --> 00:25:08,375 I find that very relevant. 320 00:25:08,375 --> 00:25:10,667 And I had to pull myself back under, too. 321 00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:14,208 Okay. Don't get nasty here. It's okay. 322 00:25:14,208 --> 00:25:15,667 So I quickly had to move on, 323 00:25:15,667 --> 00:25:17,250 but I wanted him to know 324 00:25:17,250 --> 00:25:20,000 that I do know what's going on here. 325 00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:47,042 [ominous music] 326 00:26:34,458 --> 00:26:35,833 - You can see him thinking like, 327 00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:38,542 oh crap, you caught me in another lie. 328 00:26:38,542 --> 00:26:40,542 He wanted to distance himself from 329 00:26:40,542 --> 00:26:42,583 where the boy was down that hallway. 330 00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:44,708 He ran down the hallway, hid in the master bedroom, 331 00:26:44,708 --> 00:26:47,083 so he would've had to walk right by the bathroom 332 00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:48,375 to kill him. 333 00:26:48,375 --> 00:26:49,917 - We've put him on the defensive, 334 00:26:49,917 --> 00:26:52,750 and he's trying to scramble to come up with explanations 335 00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:54,375 for the questions we're asking him. 336 00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:55,750 He just is befuddled, 337 00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:57,083 and I think this is the first time 338 00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:59,667 that he's felt like he's kinda losing control. 339 00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:58,417 - Getting inside somebody's personal space 340 00:28:58,417 --> 00:29:01,583 is an interrogation technique to put them off, 341 00:29:01,583 --> 00:29:03,083 make them feel uncomfortable. 342 00:29:03,083 --> 00:29:05,292 A lot of times, we'll give ourselves the chair with wheels, 343 00:29:05,292 --> 00:29:07,833 with casters, and them the chair that won't move. 344 00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:10,333 So as you get up close to them, they can't back up. 345 00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:12,500 Situationally, he's feeling a lot of weight 346 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:13,667 and a lot of pressure. 347 00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:15,042 Now, physically he's feeling pressure. 348 00:29:15,042 --> 00:29:18,250 So it kinda adds and adds to that mentally as well. 349 00:29:32,875 --> 00:29:34,667 - So this event, meaning the murders. 350 00:29:34,667 --> 00:29:36,750 So in a way that's a bit of an admission. 351 00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:39,417 He's really getting close to breaking 352 00:29:39,417 --> 00:29:41,125 and telling us what happened. 353 00:30:35,958 --> 00:30:39,042 [tense music] 354 00:31:46,833 --> 00:31:48,542 [ominous music] 355 00:32:29,417 --> 00:32:32,000 - When we walked outside, he walked up to me 356 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,042 and he asked me what he was looking at. 357 00:32:34,042 --> 00:32:36,250 I said, "Well, Thayne, this is a pretty serious issue. 358 00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:38,167 It's not like you stole a candy bar from the grocery store. 359 00:32:38,167 --> 00:32:39,458 You got three dead bodies back there, 360 00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:41,042 one of which is a 10-year-old boy. 361 00:32:41,042 --> 00:32:42,333 It's kind of a big deal." 362 00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:45,458 So we kinda paused for a moment. 363 00:32:45,458 --> 00:32:46,708 He sat down on the steps 364 00:32:46,708 --> 00:32:49,042 and I could see the tears coming down his cheeks, 365 00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:50,333 which made me focus on his eyes. 366 00:32:50,333 --> 00:32:53,750 And I noticed that his eyelashes were straight 367 00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:55,208 about 80% of the way, 368 00:32:55,208 --> 00:32:57,458 then the very tips of 'em were all burnt and curled. 369 00:32:57,458 --> 00:32:58,542 And I said, "Thayne," 370 00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:00,167 I said, "I know you burnt the pickup truck." 371 00:33:00,167 --> 00:33:02,417 I said, "Your eyelashes are all burnt on the ends." 372 00:33:02,417 --> 00:33:04,375 And then it was only a moment later he said, 373 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:06,083 "So are we ready to go back in?" 374 00:33:07,125 --> 00:33:09,708 [Thayne sighs] 375 00:33:15,958 --> 00:33:18,625 [Thayne sniffling] 376 00:34:32,833 --> 00:34:34,042 [ominous music] 377 00:35:33,167 --> 00:35:35,083 [ominous music] 378 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,083 [ominous music] 379 00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:04,542 Finally we got a confession. 380 00:38:04,542 --> 00:38:06,458 We have enough now to arrest him. 381 00:38:06,458 --> 00:38:10,375 Now everything else on top of that will just add to it. 382 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:35,542 - I guess a case like this 383 00:39:35,542 --> 00:39:37,625 will always have questions of why. 384 00:39:37,625 --> 00:39:39,708 Why would he go down there to kill Jeff? 385 00:39:39,708 --> 00:39:42,542 It made absolutely no sense to me. 386 00:39:42,542 --> 00:39:45,375 - What he did was horrible. It was horrible. 387 00:39:45,375 --> 00:39:48,875 But we had accomplished what we wanted to accomplish. 388 00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:50,125 We reached the end goal, 389 00:39:50,125 --> 00:39:53,000 and the end goal is for him to confess to the murders. 390 00:40:15,708 --> 00:40:17,583 - Thayne wasn't stupid. He was a smart guy. 391 00:40:17,583 --> 00:40:19,042 And I think throughout his life, 392 00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:22,458 he's been able to persuade people by using his intelligence 393 00:40:22,458 --> 00:40:24,042 and his ability to talk. 394 00:40:24,042 --> 00:40:26,583 And I think he tried to utilize that same tactic with us 395 00:40:26,583 --> 00:40:29,042 and we just weren't gonna buy it. 396 00:40:29,042 --> 00:40:32,375 [tense music continues] 397 00:40:41,833 --> 00:40:43,208 [dog barking] 398 00:40:43,208 --> 00:40:46,167 [clock ticks] 399 00:40:46,167 --> 00:40:47,750 The job isn't over. 400 00:40:47,750 --> 00:40:49,542 There's still investigation work that needs to be done 401 00:40:49,542 --> 00:40:51,208 back up in northern Maine. 402 00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:53,875 If you could find the murder weapon, that is very important. 403 00:40:53,875 --> 00:40:56,542 There was a swampy area right off the side of Route 1 404 00:40:56,542 --> 00:40:58,583 and Thayne literally just took the knife 405 00:40:58,583 --> 00:41:00,542 and threw it right into the water. 406 00:41:00,542 --> 00:41:03,417 So once we gathered information from Bob 407 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:05,083 about the location of it, 408 00:41:05,083 --> 00:41:07,792 we elicited the use of the Maine State Police dive team 409 00:41:07,792 --> 00:41:10,625 to go up to that area to try to locate the knife. 410 00:41:10,625 --> 00:41:12,875 And they actually were able to, through the use of a dam, 411 00:41:12,875 --> 00:41:14,625 lower the water level down enough 412 00:41:14,625 --> 00:41:16,625 to expose it laying right there. 413 00:41:17,625 --> 00:41:19,583 It all fills in one piece of the puzzle 414 00:41:19,583 --> 00:41:22,500 and glues aspects of the case together. 415 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:25,833 [tense music continues] 416 00:41:30,208 --> 00:41:33,000 [clock ticking] 417 00:41:57,292 --> 00:41:59,042 - Thayne was convicted. 418 00:41:59,042 --> 00:42:01,542 He gets sentenced to three consecutive life terms, 419 00:42:01,542 --> 00:42:04,042 plus 15 years for the arson. 420 00:42:04,042 --> 00:42:06,167 - The three life sentences, in my opinion, 421 00:42:06,167 --> 00:42:09,042 were appropriate for this case. 422 00:42:09,042 --> 00:42:11,125 If you're gonna hand out one life sentence for one victim, 423 00:42:11,125 --> 00:42:13,792 you gotta hand 'em out for all three of them. 424 00:42:13,792 --> 00:42:16,208 - As far as justice for the victims, 425 00:42:16,208 --> 00:42:17,875 you can't bring them back. 426 00:42:17,875 --> 00:42:20,958 And they were robbed of their lives, 427 00:42:20,958 --> 00:42:24,208 but their family members were robbed of their future. 428 00:42:24,208 --> 00:42:27,083 [melancholy music] 429 00:42:27,083 --> 00:42:29,250 - I've been told since my dad had found out 430 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:31,000 that my mom was pregnant with me, 431 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,542 he was excited and he just couldn't wait. 432 00:42:34,542 --> 00:42:36,708 He couldn't wait to become a dad. 433 00:42:36,708 --> 00:42:39,208 He treated me like I was the world to him. 434 00:42:39,208 --> 00:42:43,958 And that just has always felt so special to me, so, 435 00:42:43,958 --> 00:42:45,417 I wanna be someone that, you know, 436 00:42:45,417 --> 00:42:47,167 my dad could be proud of. 437 00:42:48,917 --> 00:42:51,875 And Jesse, he's been gone for 13 years, 438 00:42:51,875 --> 00:42:54,208 but in my head he's still my best friend. 439 00:42:55,542 --> 00:42:57,375 I don't know if I believe in heaven, 440 00:42:57,375 --> 00:43:00,042 but I'd really like to think that they're up there together 441 00:43:00,042 --> 00:43:02,792 and maybe my dad and Jeff are watching NASCAR 442 00:43:02,792 --> 00:43:03,917 and drinking a beer.