1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,208 (tense music) 2 00:00:38,792 --> 00:00:41,000 (tense music) 3 00:00:43,625 --> 00:00:46,000 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 4 00:00:46,083 --> 00:00:47,958 has the right to remain silent. 5 00:00:48,042 --> 00:00:50,667 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 6 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:53,875 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,083 making it a race against time. 8 00:00:57,875 --> 00:01:00,125 Justice hangs in the balance. 9 00:01:00,208 --> 00:01:02,542 (tense music) 10 00:01:19,542 --> 00:01:21,208 - When you find a body in a dumpster, 11 00:01:21,292 --> 00:01:23,833 it's one of those things that is just horrific. 12 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:26,167 We respond with everything we've got, 13 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:28,333 including the Texas Rangers. 14 00:01:28,417 --> 00:01:30,875 - The Rangers are a specialized unit 15 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,667 of the Texas Department of Public Safety. 16 00:01:32,708 --> 00:01:36,875 Sometimes they can bring a broader perspective. 17 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,333 From observing the evidence at the scene 18 00:01:39,375 --> 00:01:43,125 in the back right corner of the dumpster, 19 00:01:43,208 --> 00:01:45,667 there was a blue tub, and there was a body 20 00:01:45,792 --> 00:01:48,125 that appeared to be bound and wrapped up. 21 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:50,750 I remember a foot protruding from the sheet. 22 00:01:55,875 --> 00:01:58,333 (tense music) 23 00:02:01,375 --> 00:02:03,083 - When we took the tote outta the dumpster, 24 00:02:03,167 --> 00:02:05,167 we discovered it was an adult female. 25 00:02:07,375 --> 00:02:09,958 And she was wrapped inside some linens. 26 00:02:10,042 --> 00:02:11,292 As we removed the body, 27 00:02:11,292 --> 00:02:15,208 we also found a bottle of pine cleaner. 28 00:02:15,208 --> 00:02:17,583 She had had a gunshot wound, it looked like, 29 00:02:17,708 --> 00:02:19,500 at an entrance just about the temple here 30 00:02:19,583 --> 00:02:22,083 and just in front of the ear, an exit wound. 31 00:02:24,375 --> 00:02:27,417 - The victim was shot by a low-caliber handgun. 32 00:02:27,542 --> 00:02:29,000 This gunshot had to have happened 33 00:02:29,083 --> 00:02:31,000 within maybe two to three feet. 34 00:02:31,042 --> 00:02:32,917 There was a little bit of stippling and stuff real close 35 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,958 to the skull there and to the skin that left a burn mark. 36 00:02:36,042 --> 00:02:37,792 It wasn't a direct impact, 37 00:02:37,875 --> 00:02:40,667 but you were very close to this person when this happened. 38 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:42,583 (tense music) 39 00:02:42,667 --> 00:02:44,417 - She didn't have any identification on her. 40 00:02:44,417 --> 00:02:45,875 We didn't know who she was. 41 00:02:47,042 --> 00:02:48,458 So the first 42 00:02:48,542 --> 00:02:50,500 major hurdle we've gotta do is figure out who this is. 43 00:02:52,625 --> 00:02:55,458 - We took a photo of the victim's face 44 00:02:55,542 --> 00:02:58,667 and she had some very distinct tattoos. 45 00:02:58,750 --> 00:03:02,000 And we distributed that within the sheriff's office, DPS, 46 00:03:02,083 --> 00:03:03,417 and San Angelo Police Department. 47 00:03:03,542 --> 00:03:06,792 (tense music) (officers chattering) 48 00:03:18,625 --> 00:03:24,125 - As a kid, Camille was into things like painting. 49 00:03:24,208 --> 00:03:28,167 She loved art, she loved music. 50 00:03:28,292 --> 00:03:30,500 I would say she was a daddy's girl. 51 00:03:31,917 --> 00:03:34,708 Whenever we were together, she was always next to me. 52 00:03:34,792 --> 00:03:37,000 You know, we'd be dancing, 53 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:38,917 or, you know, listening to music, 54 00:03:39,042 --> 00:03:40,958 or doing something fun. 55 00:03:42,583 --> 00:03:45,208 She was the one trying to crack jokes, 56 00:03:45,292 --> 00:03:48,833 making you laugh and laughing out loud herself. 57 00:03:50,333 --> 00:03:54,250 Camille had the Amy Winehouse look kinda going on there 58 00:03:54,375 --> 00:03:57,792 with the eyeliner and the beehive hair. 59 00:03:57,875 --> 00:04:01,250 Camille also was very fascinated by Marilyn Monroe. 60 00:04:02,958 --> 00:04:04,542 She loved her babies to death. 61 00:04:04,625 --> 00:04:08,208 She loved to play with them and put on cartoons. 62 00:04:09,208 --> 00:04:10,625 Camille was a beautiful person 63 00:04:10,708 --> 00:04:13,500 and she still had a lot of life to live, 64 00:04:13,542 --> 00:04:16,167 and that was taken away from her. 65 00:04:16,250 --> 00:04:18,542 (somber music) 66 00:04:30,875 --> 00:04:32,167 - Based off of the body, 67 00:04:32,208 --> 00:04:34,792 the way it was bound, thrown in that tote, 68 00:04:34,792 --> 00:04:37,375 we believe it was probably a domestic situation, 69 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:38,667 meaning it was somebody close to her, 70 00:04:38,708 --> 00:04:41,042 either a boyfriend, husband, ex-boyfriend, 71 00:04:41,125 --> 00:04:42,708 something like that. 72 00:04:42,792 --> 00:04:45,375 - I came across a photograph of her and a male subject. 73 00:04:45,500 --> 00:04:46,583 And I knew him by face 74 00:04:46,708 --> 00:04:48,667 because I've dealt with him in the past. 75 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:51,292 We identified this male as Gilbert Hernandez. 76 00:04:51,375 --> 00:04:53,000 (dramatic music) 77 00:04:53,083 --> 00:04:54,958 - It was certain they had some kind of relationship, 78 00:04:55,042 --> 00:04:56,333 whether it be fleeting 79 00:04:56,417 --> 00:04:58,417 or whether it be some type of romantic relationship, 80 00:04:58,500 --> 00:04:59,958 but we knew that he would definitely 81 00:05:00,042 --> 00:05:01,625 be a person of interest. 82 00:05:01,708 --> 00:05:03,792 (tense music) 83 00:05:25,167 --> 00:05:28,125 - We wanted to find out what information he could give us 84 00:05:28,208 --> 00:05:30,333 about Camille Garcia 85 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:33,500 and find out if he was involved in the murder, 86 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:35,500 because we were really at ground zero. 87 00:05:35,583 --> 00:05:37,250 We needed to talk to anybody 88 00:05:37,375 --> 00:05:39,417 that could give us any information. 89 00:06:34,583 --> 00:06:36,500 - I recognize the name Little Machine. 90 00:06:36,625 --> 00:06:38,542 A lotta times we get street names 91 00:06:38,625 --> 00:06:41,708 and Little Machine was Andres Ramirez, 92 00:06:41,792 --> 00:06:43,958 somebody law enforcement had dealings with 93 00:06:44,042 --> 00:06:46,042 for several years in the San Angelo area. 94 00:07:22,875 --> 00:07:25,000 (tense music) 95 00:07:29,458 --> 00:07:31,125 - At this point, he's a person of interest. 96 00:07:31,208 --> 00:07:33,542 We wanna bring him in and talk to him, obviously. 97 00:07:33,625 --> 00:07:35,292 We don't wanna cause him to run 98 00:07:35,375 --> 00:07:37,125 or destroy evidence at the same time. 99 00:07:37,208 --> 00:07:39,625 So we set up a surveillance team on his house. 100 00:07:40,583 --> 00:07:42,917 We did have the information 101 00:07:43,042 --> 00:07:45,625 that he had a suspended driver's license. 102 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:48,500 And then when he drove away from the house, 103 00:07:48,583 --> 00:07:50,083 he did make an illegal turn, 104 00:07:50,167 --> 00:07:53,167 which gave us probable cause to affect the traffic stop. 105 00:07:53,292 --> 00:07:55,792 (tense music) (police radio chatter) 106 00:07:58,042 --> 00:07:59,750 - They pulled him outta the vehicle 107 00:07:59,875 --> 00:08:02,708 and arrested him for those traffic violations. 108 00:08:02,792 --> 00:08:04,625 And we were very careful at the time 109 00:08:04,708 --> 00:08:08,000 of not tipping our hand of what the real reason was. 110 00:08:09,042 --> 00:08:10,667 Andres said that he wanted to kinda speak 111 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:12,458 with the person in charge. 112 00:08:12,542 --> 00:08:14,500 That normally does not happen during a traffic stop. 113 00:08:14,542 --> 00:08:16,792 Saying that is a big red flag of, 114 00:08:16,875 --> 00:08:19,000 well, what's he wanting to talk about? 115 00:08:50,542 --> 00:08:52,167 - Turned out there was a loaded nine millimeter 116 00:08:52,292 --> 00:08:54,042 in the back of his vehicle. 117 00:08:54,125 --> 00:08:57,042 - We knew that the wound was a gunshot wound 118 00:08:57,167 --> 00:08:59,750 of a caliber pistol that would be similar probably 119 00:08:59,833 --> 00:09:01,125 to a nine millimeter. 120 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:04,000 And so we felt like it's a good possibility 121 00:09:04,125 --> 00:09:07,167 we have the murder weapon right here in this vehicle. 122 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:10,583 - And we found some paint and some cleaning supplies, 123 00:09:10,667 --> 00:09:12,042 some rubber gloves. 124 00:09:19,208 --> 00:09:22,000 His brother, Ruben, he was in the front passenger seat. 125 00:09:22,042 --> 00:09:24,458 He was wanted for some outstanding warrants. 126 00:09:24,542 --> 00:09:25,833 So we arrested him and brought him back 127 00:09:25,917 --> 00:09:27,500 to the Sheriff's Office as well 128 00:09:27,583 --> 00:09:29,917 and impounded the vehicle at the same time. 129 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,083 (tense music) 130 00:09:54,333 --> 00:09:55,792 - Handling a body is difficult. 131 00:09:55,875 --> 00:09:57,833 It's usually a two-person job. 132 00:09:57,875 --> 00:10:00,875 Lifting that body up and into a dumpster, 133 00:10:00,875 --> 00:10:02,583 I thought would take two people. 134 00:10:02,667 --> 00:10:04,667 And so I felt confident that we needed 135 00:10:04,750 --> 00:10:06,083 to not only interview Andres, 136 00:10:06,167 --> 00:10:08,167 but we needed to interview his brother. 137 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:10,333 (tense music) 138 00:10:16,208 --> 00:10:18,833 - It was now our goal to try to figure out 139 00:10:18,875 --> 00:10:20,167 which one was involved, 140 00:10:20,292 --> 00:10:22,333 'cause it could have been both, at that point. 141 00:10:22,417 --> 00:10:24,000 Andres or Ruben? 142 00:11:25,708 --> 00:11:27,833 - It was literally like trying to peer through weeds 143 00:11:27,917 --> 00:11:29,042 to the other side. 144 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:32,625 He was so rambling and incoherent. 145 00:11:32,708 --> 00:11:35,875 We had some information that he had been a user 146 00:11:35,958 --> 00:11:37,833 and a dealer of methamphetamines. 147 00:11:37,875 --> 00:11:39,500 I think he wanted to present himself 148 00:11:39,625 --> 00:11:42,292 as not all in his right mind. 149 00:12:00,125 --> 00:12:02,083 (melancholy music) 150 00:12:03,250 --> 00:12:09,208 - That night, I was awoken by a phone call 151 00:12:09,292 --> 00:12:11,083 and they had just told me 152 00:12:11,167 --> 00:12:14,167 that something horrible had happened. 153 00:12:17,958 --> 00:12:19,708 Camille had been killed. 154 00:12:22,833 --> 00:12:25,625 I was just in shock. 155 00:12:25,708 --> 00:12:28,792 It's just a phone call no parent wants to get. 156 00:12:33,917 --> 00:12:37,750 And there's no way in the world you can tell 157 00:12:37,833 --> 00:12:42,917 an eight-year-old child that her mother was murdered. 158 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,292 So, I just had to tell Stella that her mother had gotten sick 159 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:48,917 and that she passed away. 160 00:12:48,917 --> 00:12:52,167 (melancholy music) (sobbing) 161 00:12:52,250 --> 00:12:56,917 It was probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do. 162 00:12:58,375 --> 00:13:00,750 (tense music) 163 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:10,167 - Man, you're talking on another level 164 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:11,500 that I don't understand right now. 165 00:13:11,500 --> 00:13:12,750 - Yeah, exactly. 166 00:13:12,875 --> 00:13:15,208 (tense music) 167 00:13:18,208 --> 00:13:19,500 - So when you're talking to somebody 168 00:13:19,542 --> 00:13:22,000 that is kinda all over the place, 169 00:13:22,083 --> 00:13:23,500 trying to lead you different ways 170 00:13:23,583 --> 00:13:24,667 or talk about different things 171 00:13:24,750 --> 00:13:27,167 that has nothing to do with the case, 172 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:29,167 you've really gotta bring them back. 173 00:13:29,208 --> 00:13:33,250 You try to get to a point where you have a rapport with them. 174 00:14:29,625 --> 00:14:31,458 (Andres laughs) 175 00:14:31,542 --> 00:14:34,458 We hadn't mentioned any assault or harm to any other person. 176 00:14:34,542 --> 00:14:36,458 We just said we need to talk to you about something. 177 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:40,083 And he brings up the word kill and her in the same sentence. 178 00:14:41,042 --> 00:14:42,833 Real red flags went off there, you know? 179 00:14:42,917 --> 00:14:45,625 I could see that he was getting real stressed out. 180 00:14:45,708 --> 00:14:48,250 I didn't wanna bring down that stress. 181 00:14:48,333 --> 00:14:50,542 I just wanted to see if the stress 182 00:14:50,625 --> 00:14:52,250 would bring out another emotion. 183 00:15:25,083 --> 00:15:27,333 - So, I was just trying to put a face 184 00:15:27,417 --> 00:15:29,875 with the person that we were speaking about in his mind. 185 00:15:29,958 --> 00:15:32,792 So he realized, you know, this was a human. 186 00:15:32,875 --> 00:15:34,333 He did perk up quite a bit 187 00:15:34,417 --> 00:15:36,667 and take a very close look at that picture. 188 00:15:36,708 --> 00:15:39,292 I could tell that there were some wheels turning upstairs. 189 00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:44,208 - His demeanor changed. 190 00:16:44,292 --> 00:16:45,583 He became more calmer. 191 00:16:45,667 --> 00:16:48,000 We noticed his speech patterns started changing 192 00:16:48,083 --> 00:16:49,750 and we thought we're on the right path 193 00:16:49,875 --> 00:16:51,625 and we gotta continue down the road. 194 00:17:41,333 --> 00:17:44,167 (tense music) (indistinct conversation) 195 00:17:58,708 --> 00:18:00,000 - Going into this interview, 196 00:18:00,125 --> 00:18:02,042 we knew that he was possibly involved 197 00:18:02,125 --> 00:18:03,625 in the homicide of Camille Garcia. 198 00:18:03,708 --> 00:18:06,833 And so very possibly he could be the trigger man himself. 199 00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:09,583 And that was our perspective as we walked in the room. 200 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,042 (clock ticking) 201 00:18:37,542 --> 00:18:39,625 - Now he's admitted that he wanted 202 00:18:39,708 --> 00:18:41,625 to have a physical relationship with my victim. 203 00:18:42,708 --> 00:18:44,750 So that still threw up the whole, okay, 204 00:18:44,833 --> 00:18:47,667 maybe he did it because now we can have a motive. 205 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:50,083 (tense music) 206 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,208 (tense music) 207 00:20:27,208 --> 00:20:28,708 - The fact that he would not know 208 00:20:28,833 --> 00:20:31,500 about a nine millimeter pistol that was inside the vehicle, 209 00:20:31,542 --> 00:20:33,875 I found that very hard to believe. 210 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,000 - A statement like that is gold for an investigator. 211 00:21:55,042 --> 00:21:56,875 To hear your own brother say 212 00:21:56,958 --> 00:21:58,958 that you're capable of random acts of violence, 213 00:21:59,042 --> 00:22:02,500 such as smashing his head in if he asks a question, 214 00:22:02,542 --> 00:22:04,667 well, then what is he willing to do to somebody else? 215 00:22:04,708 --> 00:22:06,583 (tense music) 216 00:22:06,708 --> 00:22:08,333 (indistinct conversation) 217 00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:09,542 - Okay. Was he driving? 218 00:22:09,667 --> 00:22:11,375 Okay. I don't know your dad. What's his name? 219 00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:13,708 (indistinct conversation) 220 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,083 - When their sentences become short, 221 00:23:51,167 --> 00:23:52,667 their speech patterns change, 222 00:23:52,750 --> 00:23:54,375 that's all an indicator for an investigator 223 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,917 to know we're on the right path. 224 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,833 - We were building our case to him 225 00:23:59,958 --> 00:24:02,375 that he knew there was no escape. 226 00:24:02,500 --> 00:24:03,833 We still believe they may have knowledge 227 00:24:03,958 --> 00:24:06,167 of what's happened to Camille Garcia. 228 00:24:06,208 --> 00:24:08,542 (tense music) 229 00:24:40,458 --> 00:24:42,458 - He wasn't offering any new leads. 230 00:24:42,542 --> 00:24:43,875 And it comes to point in time 231 00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:45,500 where you're just spinning your wheels. 232 00:24:45,542 --> 00:24:47,250 - If you need to, you can take a break, 233 00:24:47,375 --> 00:24:49,458 you can take 'em outside, let 'em have a cigarette. 234 00:24:49,542 --> 00:24:51,833 And a lotta times, their anxiety goes down 235 00:24:51,917 --> 00:24:54,125 and they're a lot more calm, willing to speak. 236 00:24:54,208 --> 00:24:56,708 (tense music) 237 00:24:56,833 --> 00:24:59,875 - So we walked outside, said, 238 00:24:59,958 --> 00:25:02,500 "Hey, do you have anything to do with this?" 239 00:25:02,542 --> 00:25:05,333 And his response was, "I don't know. Possibly." 240 00:25:05,417 --> 00:25:07,708 (tense music) 241 00:25:11,167 --> 00:25:13,833 - When we get a big break, you know, this is your chance. 242 00:25:13,917 --> 00:25:16,458 He's opened the door and it kinda signals 243 00:25:16,542 --> 00:25:18,125 that he's wanting to talk more 244 00:25:18,208 --> 00:25:21,000 and give the details of what happened and his involvement. 245 00:25:44,208 --> 00:25:45,500 - Um. 246 00:25:51,042 --> 00:25:53,042 (tense music) 247 00:27:12,667 --> 00:27:14,250 - Every cop wants a confession. 248 00:27:14,375 --> 00:27:17,250 And it was a very, very big moment in my head. 249 00:27:17,375 --> 00:27:19,125 But there's so much more to it than that. 250 00:27:19,208 --> 00:27:21,167 We have to get him to say why he did it. 251 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:23,500 We have to get him to say what happened after he did it. 252 00:27:23,583 --> 00:27:24,708 So there's lots more to build on 253 00:27:24,792 --> 00:27:26,958 after that initial, "I shot her." 254 00:27:27,042 --> 00:27:30,708 - We had to get enough evidence to get a conviction. 255 00:28:00,125 --> 00:28:02,625 - So I was trying to show him some connection, 256 00:28:02,708 --> 00:28:04,708 some humanity there, you know, that I'm concerned. 257 00:28:04,792 --> 00:28:06,917 Hey, man, we need to keep going here. 258 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,583 Of course he knows he just confessed. 259 00:28:08,667 --> 00:28:10,667 I wanted him to not stop there 260 00:28:10,708 --> 00:28:12,667 and kinda go back into his shell. 261 00:28:12,708 --> 00:28:14,417 We need to keep talking this out. 262 00:28:46,917 --> 00:28:50,000 - I want him to tell me how the victim was. 263 00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:52,667 I want him to tell me how the victim's posture was, 264 00:28:52,708 --> 00:28:54,167 the position they were in, 265 00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:56,167 because that's gonna help me in interviewing him 266 00:28:56,292 --> 00:28:59,292 and ultimately making this a very good confession 267 00:28:59,375 --> 00:29:01,083 versus an okay confession. 268 00:29:02,375 --> 00:29:04,000 I wanna be able to chip away 269 00:29:04,042 --> 00:29:05,833 at any defense he may have later. 270 00:29:11,208 --> 00:29:12,833 I just gotta wrap my head around. 271 00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:14,292 I just gotta wrap my head. 272 00:29:14,375 --> 00:29:16,375 Right here like this. 273 00:29:16,458 --> 00:29:18,833 (tense music) (clock ticking) 274 00:29:51,083 --> 00:29:53,292 - We don't always do a demonstration 275 00:29:53,375 --> 00:29:55,625 (chuckling) using the investigator. 276 00:29:55,708 --> 00:29:56,750 We have dummies. 277 00:29:56,875 --> 00:29:58,167 But I kind of just went with it 278 00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:00,417 because he was standing up, I was standing up. 279 00:30:01,708 --> 00:30:03,792 I wanted him to feel comfortable using me. 280 00:30:03,875 --> 00:30:04,917 I wanted him to keep talking. 281 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,292 We needed to cover everything. 282 00:30:58,917 --> 00:31:00,667 - We hadn't found a knife 283 00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:03,833 and she didn't have any offensive wounds on her hands. 284 00:31:03,958 --> 00:31:06,167 So everything wasn't adding up to me 285 00:31:06,292 --> 00:31:08,250 about the knife being in the story. 286 00:31:08,333 --> 00:31:10,500 - He minimizes his role in her death 287 00:31:10,583 --> 00:31:13,667 and really tries to put all the blame on her. 288 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:17,167 He's trying to make it in his mind that he had to kill her. 289 00:31:17,208 --> 00:31:19,833 - He starts to try to develop that whole self-defense thing. 290 00:31:19,917 --> 00:31:22,125 So we needed to put that defense in the ground. 291 00:31:26,875 --> 00:31:29,125 (tense music) 292 00:32:26,042 --> 00:32:27,333 - I knew that we had caught him 293 00:32:27,417 --> 00:32:29,375 in a little bit of a pickle there for him 294 00:32:29,458 --> 00:32:32,083 and his confession about self-defense. 295 00:32:32,167 --> 00:32:33,917 At what point would she change? 296 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,167 After I killed her? 297 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:36,167 Maybe she changed. Who knows? 298 00:32:36,292 --> 00:32:38,167 - Yeah. - Yeah. That's ridiculous. 299 00:32:44,792 --> 00:32:47,167 (tense music) 300 00:32:57,542 --> 00:33:01,500 - He didn't show any type of signs of being hurt in any way. 301 00:33:01,542 --> 00:33:04,083 We've seen that before where they'll grab the knife 302 00:33:04,167 --> 00:33:06,083 and they still get cut on their hands and the forearms. 303 00:33:06,167 --> 00:33:07,625 Nothing like that on his end. 304 00:33:08,917 --> 00:33:10,500 So everything wasn't adding up to me 305 00:33:10,583 --> 00:33:12,500 about the knife being in the story. 306 00:33:12,583 --> 00:33:14,042 Did he kill her by shooting her in the head? 307 00:33:14,208 --> 00:33:15,417 It's obvious he did. 308 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:16,792 Did he demonstrate everything with the knife 309 00:33:16,875 --> 00:33:18,833 and articulate that she had a knife 310 00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:20,458 in a way that made me believe it? 311 00:33:20,542 --> 00:33:21,583 Not a chance. 312 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:23,708 (tense music) 313 00:33:31,792 --> 00:33:34,083 (tense music) 314 00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:48,667 - Now we had the ability to say, no, your brother did this, 315 00:33:48,792 --> 00:33:50,167 he admitted to this, 316 00:33:50,292 --> 00:33:52,875 and maybe that would help him start talking 317 00:33:52,958 --> 00:33:54,375 about his involvement. 318 00:33:54,458 --> 00:33:57,000 (tense music) (clock ticking) 319 00:34:09,583 --> 00:34:10,833 How would I react 320 00:34:10,917 --> 00:34:13,125 if somebody told me my brother had committed a murder 321 00:34:13,208 --> 00:34:14,875 and just confessed to it? 322 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,625 There'd be some emotional reaction. 323 00:34:16,708 --> 00:34:18,083 There'd be some shock. 324 00:34:18,208 --> 00:34:19,667 Then since you didn't sense this, 325 00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:22,667 my perspective was, well, he already knew. 326 00:35:05,458 --> 00:35:08,042 - He's still sticking to his story that he didn't help. 327 00:35:08,167 --> 00:35:10,667 So we started formulating a different strategy. 328 00:35:10,792 --> 00:35:15,333 I was just trying to abruptly confront him with a bluff. 329 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,167 Whether it was true or not, I didn't really care that much. 330 00:35:18,208 --> 00:35:20,458 (tense music) 331 00:36:35,875 --> 00:36:38,167 (tense music) 332 00:36:56,542 --> 00:36:58,583 (tense music) 333 00:37:03,292 --> 00:37:05,000 - You have that gut feeling 334 00:37:05,083 --> 00:37:07,792 that this person was involved, 335 00:37:07,875 --> 00:37:09,083 but knowing something 336 00:37:09,167 --> 00:37:10,833 and proving something's completely different. 337 00:37:10,917 --> 00:37:12,125 And in our world, 338 00:37:12,125 --> 00:37:14,417 I will never put anybody behind bars 339 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:18,083 that I can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt did something. 340 00:37:18,167 --> 00:37:20,458 (tense music) 341 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,625 (indistinct conversation) 342 00:37:36,125 --> 00:37:37,583 - He had just told us, you know, 343 00:37:37,708 --> 00:37:40,375 he'd killed her in a different place than she was located. 344 00:37:40,375 --> 00:37:41,708 So I wanted him to keep talking 345 00:37:41,875 --> 00:37:44,875 'cause I knew we had a lot to build up in this case. 346 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:47,208 - These are all blocks in a wall you're trying to build 347 00:37:47,292 --> 00:37:49,083 and it helps in the investigation. 348 00:37:49,167 --> 00:37:50,292 - You know, just keep building on it. 349 00:37:50,375 --> 00:37:51,750 Keep chipping away. 350 00:37:51,833 --> 00:37:53,625 (clock ticking) 351 00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:45,583 (tense music) 352 00:39:53,417 --> 00:39:55,417 - Police caught the man they believe killed Camille. 353 00:39:55,542 --> 00:39:58,708 Andres Ramirez was named a person of interest on Wednesday. 354 00:39:58,792 --> 00:39:59,917 When Ramirez was questioned 355 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000 about Camille's murder, he confessed. 356 00:40:02,125 --> 00:40:05,125 And Ramirez is still being held in jail in San Angelo. 357 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,500 (tense music) 358 00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:25,542 - We get inside the house and it reeks of pine cleaner. 359 00:40:25,542 --> 00:40:27,625 And you could see where he had cleaned the couch. 360 00:40:27,708 --> 00:40:29,250 And the bullet had gone all the way through 361 00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:31,250 into the back frame of the couch. 362 00:40:31,375 --> 00:40:32,958 There were some sheets and comforters 363 00:40:33,042 --> 00:40:34,875 that matched the set of sheets and comforter 364 00:40:34,958 --> 00:40:37,458 that she was found in at the dumpster. 365 00:40:37,542 --> 00:40:39,500 There was a great deal of evidence 366 00:40:39,583 --> 00:40:41,083 that just corroborated everything he'd said 367 00:40:41,167 --> 00:40:42,750 during the confession. 368 00:40:42,875 --> 00:40:44,792 (tense music) 369 00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:50,792 (crickets chirring) 370 00:40:50,875 --> 00:40:53,083 (birds cawing) 371 00:40:56,542 --> 00:40:59,083 (tense music) 372 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,417 (dates ticking) 373 00:41:04,875 --> 00:41:06,875 - The trial for Andres Rios Ramirez began 374 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,125 at 9:00 AM on Monday. 375 00:41:09,208 --> 00:41:10,333 Both sides told the jury, 376 00:41:10,417 --> 00:41:13,208 it's not a question of who shot Camille Garcia, 377 00:41:13,292 --> 00:41:16,167 it's a question of whether or not it was in self-defense. 378 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:18,333 (tense music) 379 00:41:18,375 --> 00:41:19,625 - Go like that. 380 00:41:19,708 --> 00:41:20,792 And I tell her, "(bleep), stop!" 381 00:41:20,875 --> 00:41:22,250 And like, when she comes back like that. 382 00:41:22,333 --> 00:41:23,208 - Like this? - Yeah. 383 00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:30,583 - This kinda confession is exactly the type 384 00:41:30,667 --> 00:41:31,875 of confession you wanna have 385 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,958 if you have to go to court in front of a jury. 386 00:41:34,042 --> 00:41:36,333 We were able to refute pretty much every instance 387 00:41:36,417 --> 00:41:38,500 of him saying it was self-defense. 388 00:41:38,542 --> 00:41:40,625 We were able to let him use his own words. 389 00:41:40,708 --> 00:41:43,000 We were able to let him use his own demonstration. 390 00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,125 (tense music) 391 00:42:00,375 --> 00:42:03,125 - No one alive on this Earth right now 392 00:42:03,208 --> 00:42:06,292 has the right to decide who lives and who dies. 393 00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:08,500 And that's what that monster did. 394 00:42:08,583 --> 00:42:10,167 And now he got what he deserved. 395 00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:13,583 - It gives us some relief of the fact 396 00:42:13,667 --> 00:42:16,500 that we can tell the family that we did our best. 397 00:42:16,583 --> 00:42:17,833 We were able to find the suspect 398 00:42:17,875 --> 00:42:19,500 that caused their daughter's death 399 00:42:19,583 --> 00:42:21,500 and eventually put him away forever. 400 00:42:22,875 --> 00:42:26,042 - When we receive a conviction on a homicide 401 00:42:26,167 --> 00:42:27,125 such as this, 402 00:42:27,208 --> 00:42:29,583 at the end of the day, you do feel good 403 00:42:29,583 --> 00:42:33,042 that you've done your job in protecting the community. 404 00:42:35,083 --> 00:42:37,917 (melancholy music) 405 00:42:40,833 --> 00:42:43,208 - And, you know, there's no substitute for a mother. 406 00:42:43,292 --> 00:42:45,000 On Camille's birthday, 407 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,958 I send them pictures of their mother 408 00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:51,125 and just talk to them about her when I'm with them. 409 00:42:51,208 --> 00:42:54,833 They still have memories of being there with her 410 00:42:54,917 --> 00:42:57,042 and all that love that she gave them 411 00:42:57,125 --> 00:43:00,542 and all the laughter and the fun that they had together. 412 00:43:01,708 --> 00:43:03,583 If Camille was here with us, 413 00:43:03,667 --> 00:43:06,292 I'd tell Camille that I love her very much.