1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,208 [tense music] 2 00:00:22,875 --> 00:00:25,125 [suspenseful music] 3 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:54,791 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 4 00:00:54,792 --> 00:00:56,457 has the right to remain silent. 5 00:00:56,458 --> 00:00:59,124 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 6 00:00:59,125 --> 00:01:02,041 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 7 00:01:02,042 --> 00:01:04,542 making it a race against time. 8 00:01:06,167 --> 00:01:08,542 Justice hangs in the balance. 9 00:01:12,083 --> 00:01:14,667 [police sirens] [tense music] 10 00:01:23,708 --> 00:01:25,166 - The scene is just chaotic. 11 00:01:25,167 --> 00:01:26,583 We had two victims down. 12 00:01:28,042 --> 00:01:29,374 The female victim is laying 13 00:01:29,375 --> 00:01:31,250 in the middle of the intersection. 14 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:34,916 There's a bunch of blood. 15 00:01:34,917 --> 00:01:36,458 [camera clicking] 16 00:01:37,750 --> 00:01:40,417 I didn't feel a pulse, I couldn't see her chest rising. 17 00:01:41,667 --> 00:01:43,458 I began to do CPR on her. 18 00:01:44,458 --> 00:01:47,083 Maybe about 20 feet away or so, another victim. 19 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:52,707 He had some sort of wound to the left side of his chest. 20 00:01:52,708 --> 00:01:55,041 - Both of the victims had lost a lot of blood 21 00:01:55,042 --> 00:01:56,458 and had multiple stab wounds. 22 00:02:00,375 --> 00:02:03,707 The victims on the scene were identified as Paiten Sullivan 23 00:02:03,708 --> 00:02:05,749 and Felipe Negron. 24 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:10,125 Paiten was 17 years old and Felipe was 18 years old. 25 00:02:11,042 --> 00:02:12,541 [camera clicking] 26 00:02:12,542 --> 00:02:17,041 To see something this brutal happen at such a young age 27 00:02:17,042 --> 00:02:18,792 was very shocking to me. 28 00:02:25,958 --> 00:02:28,208 [tense music] 29 00:02:32,292 --> 00:02:34,041 - There was a vehicle parked 30 00:02:34,042 --> 00:02:36,333 facing the west. 31 00:02:39,208 --> 00:02:40,499 When I went and investigated, 32 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:43,542 there was blood all over inside the vehicle. 33 00:02:45,417 --> 00:02:47,541 Blood outside the vehicle. 34 00:02:47,542 --> 00:02:50,292 Trails leading away from the vehicle. 35 00:02:51,708 --> 00:02:54,082 - Some blood splatter had gone in a direction 36 00:02:54,083 --> 00:02:56,582 differently than where the victims were found. 37 00:02:56,583 --> 00:02:59,249 So we knew that we probably were looking for an injured 38 00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:01,583 suspect who was probably cut as well. 39 00:03:08,250 --> 00:03:10,291 - Witnesses at the crime scene 40 00:03:10,292 --> 00:03:13,457 started hearing screams and shouts, 41 00:03:13,458 --> 00:03:16,041 and could hear a female yelling, "Stop." 42 00:03:16,042 --> 00:03:18,708 And after that, a male yelling, "Stop." 43 00:03:21,250 --> 00:03:23,957 They thought it was a male wearing darker colors 44 00:03:23,958 --> 00:03:26,708 that took off from the area. 45 00:03:27,708 --> 00:03:30,999 - Unfortunately, none of them could give a facial description 46 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,374 or even a race of the suspect, 47 00:03:33,375 --> 00:03:35,667 so we didn't really have much to go on. 48 00:03:39,333 --> 00:03:42,749 We did have a canine unit deployed in tracking, 49 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:46,666 in an attempt to locate where the suspect had fled to. 50 00:03:46,667 --> 00:03:49,292 [police sirens] [tense music] 51 00:04:00,375 --> 00:04:03,082 - I remember when she said we lost him. 52 00:04:03,083 --> 00:04:06,374 My heart just plunged to the floor. 53 00:04:06,375 --> 00:04:08,999 I, I've never felt like that before, 54 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,500 and I hope to God I never will. 55 00:04:12,417 --> 00:04:15,707 - I was angry and I started shaking. 56 00:04:15,708 --> 00:04:17,291 I went crazy. 57 00:04:17,292 --> 00:04:19,707 And I'm like, why? Why they did that to him? 58 00:04:19,708 --> 00:04:23,041 - I should never have to outlive my son. 59 00:04:23,042 --> 00:04:25,333 [pensive music] 60 00:04:28,875 --> 00:04:32,999 - When I left the hospital, my heart was hurting. 61 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,291 All I could do was feel pain. 62 00:04:35,292 --> 00:04:37,957 - Our life was never gonna be the same. 63 00:04:37,958 --> 00:04:42,792 Like, we were missing a core part of who we were. 64 00:04:49,958 --> 00:04:52,292 [tense music] 65 00:04:53,667 --> 00:04:57,375 - We learned that Paiten had been stabbed 43 times. 66 00:05:00,208 --> 00:05:02,708 Felipe had been stabbed 17 times. 67 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,416 - This is one of the more brutal homicides I have seen. 68 00:05:09,417 --> 00:05:11,207 - When you look at, like, a shooting, 69 00:05:11,208 --> 00:05:12,791 you can do that from a distance. 70 00:05:12,792 --> 00:05:14,499 But when you're talking about a stabbing 71 00:05:14,500 --> 00:05:16,541 that's up close and personal, 72 00:05:16,542 --> 00:05:19,708 this just tells you the amount of hate in them. 73 00:05:22,208 --> 00:05:25,249 We also learned that Felipe had made a dying declaration 74 00:05:25,250 --> 00:05:26,541 to one of the officers, 75 00:05:26,542 --> 00:05:28,667 and that he did give the name Tran Walker. 76 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,541 - We had a name, but we didn't have a story as to 77 00:05:33,542 --> 00:05:36,458 what had happened inside the car, why it had happened. 78 00:05:38,375 --> 00:05:41,000 Locating Tran Walker became the top priority. 79 00:05:49,042 --> 00:05:52,582 - The 911 call came in from the local grocery store 80 00:05:52,583 --> 00:05:56,624 in the vicinity of where the stabbings had taken place. 81 00:05:56,625 --> 00:05:58,291 One of the workers was concerned 82 00:05:58,292 --> 00:05:59,916 that there was a male in the bathroom 83 00:05:59,917 --> 00:06:03,582 who was bleeding and was acting suspiciously. 84 00:06:03,583 --> 00:06:05,832 I immediately asked for officers to go check on this, 85 00:06:05,833 --> 00:06:07,582 as I knew there was a high probability 86 00:06:07,583 --> 00:06:09,042 that it was our suspect. 87 00:06:10,625 --> 00:06:12,374 - When I arrived at the grocery store, 88 00:06:12,375 --> 00:06:14,041 we knew he'd gone back to the bathrooms 89 00:06:14,042 --> 00:06:16,083 so we started heading in that direction. 90 00:06:19,208 --> 00:06:20,625 We had guns drawn. 91 00:06:21,542 --> 00:06:22,875 I opened the door. 92 00:06:25,042 --> 00:06:27,542 I can see this individual standing at the sink. 93 00:06:28,542 --> 00:06:31,375 It is Tran Walker, person that we're looking for. 94 00:06:34,042 --> 00:06:37,041 He had a pretty good laceration to his finger, 95 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:39,957 bad enough that he needed to go to the hospital. 96 00:06:39,958 --> 00:06:42,000 [tense music] 97 00:06:58,250 --> 00:07:00,207 - In speaking with the doctors there, 98 00:07:00,208 --> 00:07:02,707 I had learned that his hand had slid down the knife 99 00:07:02,708 --> 00:07:04,917 and nearly severed off his pinky. 100 00:07:05,958 --> 00:07:08,749 That is important because a lot of times 101 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:10,707 when you have a stabbing case, 102 00:07:10,708 --> 00:07:12,707 when there's multiple strikes with the knife, 103 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:15,291 the suspect often will slip on the knife 104 00:07:15,292 --> 00:07:16,708 and cut their own hand. 105 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,499 They complete the medical procedure they had to do 106 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:23,124 to reattach his finger. 107 00:07:23,125 --> 00:07:24,624 He is then transported 108 00:07:24,625 --> 00:07:26,583 to the Sioux City Police Department. 109 00:07:28,375 --> 00:07:30,667 [tense music] 110 00:07:40,750 --> 00:07:42,166 - Detective Thompson and I, 111 00:07:42,167 --> 00:07:46,041 we know very little about Tran Walker as a person. 112 00:07:46,042 --> 00:07:48,791 He doesn't have much of a criminal history, 113 00:07:48,792 --> 00:07:52,000 so we were gonna be very soft with him. 114 00:07:57,792 --> 00:07:59,624 - We believe that he was responsible 115 00:07:59,625 --> 00:08:01,082 for a double homicide. 116 00:08:01,083 --> 00:08:04,125 We wanted closure for the family and closure for the case. 117 00:08:06,458 --> 00:08:07,874 We need to start digging in 118 00:08:07,875 --> 00:08:09,875 and trying to get the confession. 119 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:10,541 [tense music] 120 00:10:10,542 --> 00:10:13,166 - The night that my sister died, 121 00:10:13,167 --> 00:10:17,000 I actually woke up to the sirens driving past my house. 122 00:10:20,708 --> 00:10:24,291 And then I got phone calls from my parents 123 00:10:24,292 --> 00:10:26,167 telling me what had happened. 124 00:10:27,750 --> 00:10:31,250 I didn't really have any thoughts other than why or how. 125 00:10:32,208 --> 00:10:36,374 Paiten is my younger sister and growing up, 126 00:10:36,375 --> 00:10:38,249 the grownups always said, 127 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:41,749 "When you're older, you guys are gonna be best friends." 128 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:44,292 And it just really sucks that we never got that. 129 00:10:49,792 --> 00:10:52,042 [tense music] 130 00:11:02,167 --> 00:11:04,374 - Our job is to get him to talk about 131 00:11:04,375 --> 00:11:07,792 what was happening when he was allegedly blacking out. 132 00:11:09,417 --> 00:11:10,874 So we're gonna start pressing him 133 00:11:10,875 --> 00:11:13,249 and kind of put him back in that situation. 134 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:16,667 Put him back in the car, confront him with reality. 135 00:11:53,542 --> 00:11:56,041 - Why did you run from the scene? 136 00:11:56,042 --> 00:11:57,749 He's saying nobody else was there. 137 00:11:57,750 --> 00:12:00,749 Nobody was chasing him, no one attacked him. 138 00:12:00,750 --> 00:12:02,207 We're just locking him into stories, 139 00:12:02,208 --> 00:12:04,582 getting to observe what his lies look like 140 00:12:04,583 --> 00:12:07,083 as far as his body language goes. 141 00:12:56,083 --> 00:12:58,374 - You can see it hit him where he realizes 142 00:12:58,375 --> 00:13:03,166 that the story he just gave got totally torn apart. 143 00:13:03,167 --> 00:13:05,207 I was definitely worried that he was gonna 144 00:13:05,208 --> 00:13:07,332 end the interview at that point. 145 00:13:07,333 --> 00:13:10,082 I had to do something to make him feel more comfortable. 146 00:13:10,083 --> 00:13:12,167 I had to make this about Tran. 147 00:14:24,750 --> 00:14:26,207 - He had no reaction at all. 148 00:14:26,208 --> 00:14:30,125 Just kind of stared, never cried, never showed any emotion. 149 00:14:31,583 --> 00:14:33,582 He said he felt betrayed. 150 00:14:33,583 --> 00:14:36,082 So now we can go and start using his own language 151 00:14:36,083 --> 00:14:37,375 to get the confession. 152 00:15:57,167 --> 00:15:58,624 - You could see his body language change, 153 00:15:58,625 --> 00:16:02,457 his shoulders sink a little bit, and you know, 154 00:16:02,458 --> 00:16:06,707 his head goes down, just kinda looked defeated. 155 00:16:06,708 --> 00:16:08,583 It was time for him to talk. 156 00:16:56,958 --> 00:16:59,208 [pensive music] 157 00:17:25,708 --> 00:17:27,874 - It was really a spur of the moment thing, 158 00:17:27,875 --> 00:17:31,874 where I began talking with Tran about him in third person. 159 00:17:31,875 --> 00:17:36,541 Sometimes in an interview, a person will talk more about it 160 00:17:36,542 --> 00:17:38,999 if they can act as if they were just watching 161 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,707 and they weren't really there. 162 00:17:40,708 --> 00:17:42,874 It allowed him to get some more distance 163 00:17:42,875 --> 00:17:44,583 from the actual murders. 164 00:21:04,958 --> 00:21:07,042 [tense music] 165 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:20,207 - He eventually shows us where he ran eastbound 166 00:21:20,208 --> 00:21:22,749 through some yards and over a fence. 167 00:21:22,750 --> 00:21:24,707 [camera clicking] 168 00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:28,374 He found the knife laying in the backyard of a house 169 00:21:28,375 --> 00:21:29,707 and speaking with those homeowners, 170 00:21:29,708 --> 00:21:31,541 they had security camera footage 171 00:21:31,542 --> 00:21:34,375 that actually showed him putting the knife back there. 172 00:21:39,625 --> 00:21:42,541 It all seemed to kinda come together at that point. 173 00:21:42,542 --> 00:21:44,500 [camera clicking] 174 00:21:49,083 --> 00:21:52,499 - He was transported to the jail where he was charged 175 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:55,374 with two counts of first degree murder. 176 00:21:55,375 --> 00:21:57,041 He is facing life in prison. 177 00:21:57,042 --> 00:21:59,292 [pensive music] 178 00:22:07,375 --> 00:22:09,499 - [New Anchor] A murder case comes to an end 179 00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:11,791 in a Woodbury County courthouse today. 180 00:22:11,792 --> 00:22:14,666 - Tran Walker is guilty of the offense 181 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,916 of murder in the first degree. 182 00:22:16,917 --> 00:22:19,499 - 19-year-old Tran Walker will now spend the rest 183 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,417 of his life in prison without the possibility of parole. 184 00:22:24,625 --> 00:22:26,416 - For us, there is a closure. 185 00:22:26,417 --> 00:22:28,457 We know why, we know who did it, 186 00:22:28,458 --> 00:22:30,457 and the justice has been served. 187 00:22:30,458 --> 00:22:32,458 He won't ever see the light of day. 188 00:22:37,125 --> 00:22:38,750 - I miss the way Paiten loved. 189 00:22:40,292 --> 00:22:43,916 I think about her a lot. 190 00:22:43,917 --> 00:22:45,666 I just think of her smile 191 00:22:45,667 --> 00:22:50,541 and how much she just was full of life. 192 00:22:50,542 --> 00:22:52,750 [somber music] 193 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:58,791 - With Junior, I'd like people to remember him 194 00:22:58,792 --> 00:23:03,082 by a person who had a big heart. 195 00:23:03,083 --> 00:23:06,291 - He's everywhere with me, 'cause I carry him right here. 196 00:23:06,292 --> 00:23:09,416 He loved Paiten as another sister. 197 00:23:09,417 --> 00:23:11,042 - And they had a special bond. 198 00:23:13,167 --> 00:23:15,833 - And still, they're gonna have it up in heaven. 199 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,832 - There's a bench that faces the park 200 00:23:22,833 --> 00:23:25,582 that's just right where they were killed. 201 00:23:25,583 --> 00:23:27,666 And the memorial placard says, 202 00:23:27,667 --> 00:23:31,416 "It's never goodbye, it's just till next time." 203 00:23:31,417 --> 00:23:33,542 So we put that on the bench for them, 204 00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:37,667 knowing that we will see them again. 205 00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:46,958 [dramatic music] 206 00:24:25,417 --> 00:24:27,917 [tense music] [police sirens] 207 00:25:05,208 --> 00:25:06,625 [crying] 208 00:25:13,042 --> 00:25:16,457 - When deputies arrived, Rachel and the victim 209 00:25:16,458 --> 00:25:18,124 were the only two on the scene. 210 00:25:18,125 --> 00:25:21,042 Rachel Clevinger identified him as Paul Ruffo. 211 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,041 - Rachel doesn't witness Paul's stabbing. 212 00:25:27,042 --> 00:25:29,041 She hears water running in the bathroom, 213 00:25:29,042 --> 00:25:32,667 and she goes in and finds Paul in the bathtub. 214 00:25:37,042 --> 00:25:40,667 - He was unresponsive and they started CPR. 215 00:25:50,333 --> 00:25:53,542 - There was also a wound on the back of one of his arms. 216 00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:57,999 - That's common when somebody's attacked with a knife, 217 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,582 they'll throw up their hands and we'll typically see 218 00:26:00,583 --> 00:26:02,707 injuries on the back of the forearms. 219 00:26:02,708 --> 00:26:05,208 [police radio chatter] [tense music] 220 00:26:11,042 --> 00:26:12,707 - [Officer] Do you have crime scene tape? 221 00:26:12,708 --> 00:26:14,041 - [Officer] Yeah. 222 00:26:14,042 --> 00:26:17,499 - The first thing I noticed was a significant amount 223 00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,332 of blood on and around the porch area. 224 00:26:21,333 --> 00:26:23,416 [police radio chatter] 225 00:26:23,417 --> 00:26:25,333 [camera clicking] 226 00:26:26,625 --> 00:26:28,624 - [Sean] I did observe a green shirt 227 00:26:28,625 --> 00:26:30,707 and a hat covered with blood. 228 00:26:30,708 --> 00:26:32,708 [police radio chatter] 229 00:26:34,750 --> 00:26:36,874 - [Sean] We noticed significant amount of blood 230 00:26:36,875 --> 00:26:38,125 throughout the front yard. 231 00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:44,541 And you can see areas that had been matted down 232 00:26:44,542 --> 00:26:46,750 like there was some type of struggle. 233 00:26:47,833 --> 00:26:49,957 We're obviously looking for a bladed weapon, 234 00:26:49,958 --> 00:26:52,707 but we don't find any knives that we believe 235 00:26:52,708 --> 00:26:55,875 are involved in this particular incident. 236 00:27:32,833 --> 00:27:35,583 - Rachel is saying John Rose stabbed Paul. 237 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:40,666 She indicated she had been in a relationship with John Rose, 238 00:27:40,667 --> 00:27:43,791 but John had gotten physical with her. 239 00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:46,249 So she ended the relationship 240 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:48,707 and she had been staying at Paul's house 241 00:27:48,708 --> 00:27:50,332 for about two weeks. 242 00:27:50,333 --> 00:27:54,207 Earlier in the evening, Rachel agreed to meet John via text 243 00:27:54,208 --> 00:27:57,167 but was clear that she wasn't gonna go home with him. 244 00:28:16,458 --> 00:28:19,874 - John Rose had a number of domestic violence arrests. 245 00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:21,749 So, and it's important at that point 246 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:24,291 to get him in custody as soon as possible. 247 00:28:24,292 --> 00:28:26,375 [tense music] 248 00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:04,707 - Going to the unknown is always dangerous. 249 00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:06,916 I'm making sure that my partner's in the back 250 00:29:06,917 --> 00:29:08,666 because if you go in the front of the house, 251 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:10,166 90% of people run out 252 00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:11,417 the back door. 253 00:29:45,542 --> 00:29:47,749 [somber music] 254 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:49,792 - My dad was magic. 255 00:29:51,875 --> 00:29:55,374 That charisma, it was like, unstoppable. 256 00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:57,416 He knew how to make you feel like you were 257 00:29:57,417 --> 00:30:00,792 the most important person in the world to him. 258 00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:05,208 More than anything, he loved being a grandpa. 259 00:30:06,375 --> 00:30:08,457 He adored my kids. 260 00:30:08,458 --> 00:30:10,417 That was his calling. [laughs] 261 00:30:11,833 --> 00:30:15,041 My last picture I have of my dad is of him holding my daughter. 262 00:30:15,042 --> 00:30:17,749 The way he's cradling her is just so gently, 263 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:19,792 like she's made of glass or something. 264 00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:25,166 I think, um, the hardest thing for me 265 00:30:25,167 --> 00:30:29,374 is my kids not being able to experience 266 00:30:29,375 --> 00:30:32,333 the wonderful person that he was. 267 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,958 - Now, we have a homicide case. 268 00:30:40,625 --> 00:30:42,208 He didn't deserve this 269 00:30:43,125 --> 00:30:46,499 and his family deserves justice. 270 00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:48,500 [tense music] 271 00:31:00,958 --> 00:31:03,958 We didn't have a whole lot of physical evidence. 272 00:31:05,875 --> 00:31:07,500 And we did not have a knife. 273 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:11,499 That's my murder weapon. 274 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,250 So I need that confession. 275 00:31:21,792 --> 00:31:24,125 [pensive music] 276 00:31:25,125 --> 00:31:27,207 - I remember my dad calling 277 00:31:27,208 --> 00:31:32,125 that my brother was dead and he was gone. 278 00:31:35,208 --> 00:31:38,292 It's not like he just passed away in his sleep. 279 00:31:39,542 --> 00:31:42,667 Some monster took his life, 280 00:31:43,875 --> 00:31:46,500 for no justifiable reason. 281 00:31:51,542 --> 00:31:53,583 [tense music] 282 00:31:59,958 --> 00:32:01,707 You have the right to remain silent. 283 00:32:01,708 --> 00:32:04,124 Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. 284 00:32:04,125 --> 00:32:06,583 You have the, you have the right to a lawyer. 285 00:33:30,708 --> 00:33:35,374 - How do you not remember something so significant? 286 00:33:35,375 --> 00:33:37,207 You don't even remember your own words? 287 00:33:37,208 --> 00:33:38,999 That's not believable at all. 288 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,207 - That's it. 289 00:33:40,208 --> 00:33:41,874 - I just wanted to be blunt. 290 00:33:41,875 --> 00:33:46,457 So I thought, well, let's kind of poke the bear a little bit 291 00:33:46,458 --> 00:33:49,542 and see if I get any kind of reaction out of him. 292 00:33:50,583 --> 00:33:52,708 So you guys were dating for about four months. 293 00:36:26,875 --> 00:36:28,958 [tense music] 294 00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:37,207 I wasn't getting anywhere else with John. 295 00:37:37,208 --> 00:37:40,416 He stuck with this very simplistic story, 296 00:37:40,417 --> 00:37:42,291 something that he could remember, 297 00:37:42,292 --> 00:37:44,375 which portrayed him as the victim. 298 00:37:48,875 --> 00:37:51,750 - So we're gonna go dig up other evidence. 299 00:37:55,667 --> 00:37:57,792 [tense music] 300 00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:04,000 [texts dinging] 301 00:38:06,875 --> 00:38:11,166 Text messages on John's phone show that he's jealous, 302 00:38:11,167 --> 00:38:12,917 he's infatuated with her. 303 00:38:16,792 --> 00:38:19,416 And he would do anything, even kill 304 00:38:19,417 --> 00:38:21,124 to get Rachel back. 305 00:38:21,125 --> 00:38:23,375 [intense music] 306 00:38:32,833 --> 00:38:35,332 Marie Rose said it was around 11 o'clock 307 00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:36,874 that John Rose came home 308 00:38:36,875 --> 00:38:40,707 and made the comment that he may have stabbed somebody. 309 00:38:40,708 --> 00:38:43,749 Armed with that information, I went back in the jail 310 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:46,375 and that's when he said he wanted to speak with me. 311 00:40:31,708 --> 00:40:34,624 - If he wants to spin this tale that Paul Ruffo 312 00:40:34,625 --> 00:40:38,500 is the aggressor, then I'll let him spin that tale. 313 00:40:40,042 --> 00:40:43,499 I got him to say that he had a knife in his hand 314 00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:45,083 and that's a victory. 315 00:41:24,292 --> 00:41:26,625 [tense music] 316 00:41:30,792 --> 00:41:34,457 So as I'm driving southbound on Dunbar, he says, 317 00:41:34,458 --> 00:41:36,667 "I threw it in back of one of these two yards." 318 00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:44,000 We did locate a green Gerber knife. 319 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,833 It was about two houses north of where Paul lived. 320 00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:53,167 It was determined that Paul Ruffo's DNA was on the blade. 321 00:41:55,542 --> 00:41:58,749 I took John back to the county jail. 322 00:41:58,750 --> 00:42:00,541 John Rose is a man that can't control 323 00:42:00,542 --> 00:42:03,416 his emotions or his anger, 324 00:42:03,417 --> 00:42:05,124 and he's getting charged with murder 325 00:42:05,125 --> 00:42:06,582 and he's not going anywhere. 326 00:42:06,583 --> 00:42:08,042 Paul deserves justice. 327 00:42:12,875 --> 00:42:15,832 - When we went to court, I was shaking so hard, 328 00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:18,707 but it was important for the murderer to know 329 00:42:18,708 --> 00:42:21,207 that my dad was a treasure 330 00:42:21,208 --> 00:42:23,207 and it's a huge loss for us. 331 00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,542 [tense music] 332 00:42:32,042 --> 00:42:35,416 It is absolutely unforgivable what he did. 333 00:42:35,417 --> 00:42:40,292 The fact that he can never be out, that is justice, to me. 334 00:42:42,042 --> 00:42:45,374 My life has never been the same since. 335 00:42:45,375 --> 00:42:47,874 I miss, you know, his sense of humor 336 00:42:47,875 --> 00:42:51,207 and just the way that he would make me laugh 337 00:42:51,208 --> 00:42:53,374 and all the inside jokes. 338 00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:54,791 I'm still waiting for him to call. 339 00:42:54,792 --> 00:42:56,791 I'm still waiting for him to send me a letter 340 00:42:56,792 --> 00:42:59,874 because it still doesn't feel, it doesn't feel right, 341 00:42:59,875 --> 00:43:03,207 and it doesn't feel real that he's gone. 342 00:43:03,208 --> 00:43:05,333 [somber music]