1 00:00:01,585 --> 00:00:03,795 (tense music) 2 00:00:29,655 --> 00:00:31,907 (dramatic music) 3 00:00:33,825 --> 00:00:36,119 - [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 4 00:00:36,161 --> 00:00:37,996 has the right to remain silent. 5 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:40,832 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 6 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,544 but they can stop the interview at any moment, 7 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:46,129 making it a race against time. 8 00:00:46,171 --> 00:00:47,798 (dramatic music) 9 00:00:47,839 --> 00:00:50,133 Justice hangs in the balance. 10 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:54,304 (sirens wailing) 11 00:00:59,643 --> 00:01:01,311 - When we arrived on scene 12 00:01:01,353 --> 00:01:03,272 and pulled up in front of the house, 13 00:01:04,355 --> 00:01:06,316 Kaye Willoughby was standing outside 14 00:01:07,401 --> 00:01:09,611 and said that her husband, Ron Willoughby, 15 00:01:09,653 --> 00:01:12,322 had shot himself inside their residence. 16 00:01:12,364 --> 00:01:13,365 (camera clicks) 17 00:01:13,407 --> 00:01:14,825 When I walked in the bedroom, 18 00:01:14,866 --> 00:01:17,619 I immediately recognized the victim 19 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:20,414 laying in the bed under the cover. 20 00:01:20,455 --> 00:01:21,957 When I uncovered him, 21 00:01:21,999 --> 00:01:25,043 he had one bullet hole in the center of his chest 22 00:01:25,043 --> 00:01:27,629 and there was some blood stains on the sheets. 23 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:29,339 (camera clicks) 24 00:01:31,758 --> 00:01:33,135 - First responders show up 25 00:01:33,176 --> 00:01:34,428 to render medical aid. 26 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:36,680 When they found that Ron was warm to the touch, 27 00:01:36,722 --> 00:01:37,889 they thought there might be 28 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:39,600 some chances of life, 29 00:01:39,641 --> 00:01:42,269 but Ron was deceased at that point. 30 00:01:42,311 --> 00:01:44,521 (dramatic music) 31 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:50,110 - Ron was a very outgoing person. 32 00:01:50,152 --> 00:01:54,031 There was definitely not a shy bone in his body. 33 00:01:54,072 --> 00:01:56,908 He ran a hardware store called RonMart. 34 00:01:56,950 --> 00:01:59,411 He was absolutely a proud owner. 35 00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:02,497 It was just about all family working at the store. 36 00:02:02,539 --> 00:02:05,250 - We had a little dog named TJ, it was a Boston Terrier 37 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:06,752 and that was his favorite little dog. 38 00:02:06,793 --> 00:02:09,755 Went to work with him and came home with him every day. 39 00:02:09,795 --> 00:02:12,174 I feel like Dad was the rock that held us together. 40 00:02:12,215 --> 00:02:14,551 He was always there for us. 41 00:02:14,593 --> 00:02:15,886 - I worked with him. 42 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:17,554 We could just sit and talk, you know, 43 00:02:17,596 --> 00:02:19,931 we'd talk in between customers 44 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:23,477 and I'm just glad we could have that time 45 00:02:23,518 --> 00:02:24,728 to be together. 46 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:28,899 (tense music) 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,527 - At first when we arrived, 48 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:35,530 Kaye Willoughby thought maybe Ron had shot himself. 49 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:37,658 So they're looking around his body for the gun 50 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:40,160 and they're not seeing one, it's not in his hands. 51 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,912 It's not readily visible. 52 00:02:41,953 --> 00:02:43,955 And then they saw a brown towel 53 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:46,208 that was sort of tucked underneath his body. 54 00:02:46,249 --> 00:02:49,961 They unfolded the towel and found a two inch barrel.38. 55 00:02:51,505 --> 00:02:52,798 If it was a suicide, 56 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:54,966 certainly to have it wrapped in the towel 57 00:02:55,008 --> 00:02:56,510 didn't make a lot of sense. 58 00:02:56,551 --> 00:02:59,596 So that raised a lot of flags with law enforcement 59 00:02:59,638 --> 00:03:01,306 that something was amiss. 60 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:04,559 We also don't have a contact wound, 61 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:07,437 and the medical examiner's opinion was 62 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:08,980 that when the gun was fired, 63 00:03:09,106 --> 00:03:13,110 it was no closer than 12 inches and up to 18 inches away. 64 00:03:13,151 --> 00:03:16,488 So that would be an unusual way to shoot yourself, 65 00:03:16,530 --> 00:03:19,241 to hold the gun as far away from your body as possible 66 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:21,368 and hope that you hit something vital. 67 00:03:21,410 --> 00:03:23,495 Just doesn't make sense. 68 00:03:23,537 --> 00:03:25,872 And we learned that Ron is left-handed 69 00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:27,958 and in order for him to have shot himself 70 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:29,376 with the trajectory of the bullet 71 00:03:29,418 --> 00:03:30,961 going into the left upper chest, 72 00:03:30,961 --> 00:03:33,505 traveling towards the right of the body, 73 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:34,756 he would've had to choose 74 00:03:34,798 --> 00:03:37,843 the most uncomfortable position possible 75 00:03:37,843 --> 00:03:39,970 in order to shoot himself like this, 76 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:41,513 which was a big red flag. 77 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,476 - I had been involved 78 00:03:46,518 --> 00:03:48,728 in more than a hundred suicides involving weapons. 79 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:50,313 That was the first and only time 80 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:53,442 I've ever seen anybody shoot theirself in the chest. 81 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:55,402 Also, if he had shot hisself, 82 00:03:55,444 --> 00:03:58,321 there was no way he could have pulled the covers 83 00:03:58,321 --> 00:04:02,117 all the way up to his neck and covered hisself completely. 84 00:04:03,118 --> 00:04:04,661 - Nothing in the world 85 00:04:04,703 --> 00:04:07,372 was pointing towards Ron shooting himself at that point. 86 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:10,417 (suspenseful music) 87 00:04:13,795 --> 00:04:17,591 - When we first went in the house, everything was very neat. 88 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:18,591 Wasn't in disarray. 89 00:04:18,632 --> 00:04:19,885 Mr. Willoughby's shoes 90 00:04:19,926 --> 00:04:22,512 were between the coffee table and the couch. 91 00:04:22,554 --> 00:04:25,640 Not put up, but just kind of scattered. 92 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:28,602 The rest of the house looked in place. 93 00:04:28,602 --> 00:04:32,439 We found Mr. Ron Willoughby fully clothed. 94 00:04:32,481 --> 00:04:36,359 All of his stuff was in his pockets, money, keys, 95 00:04:36,401 --> 00:04:39,112 even a prescription bottle in his pockets. 96 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:42,324 That was another thing that struck me as odd. 97 00:04:42,365 --> 00:04:44,826 - They checked all the doors, no signs of forced entry. 98 00:04:44,868 --> 00:04:46,536 Nothing was outta place. 99 00:04:46,578 --> 00:04:48,622 That's not something you would typically see 100 00:04:48,747 --> 00:04:50,916 with break-in homicide. 101 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:54,211 - Mr. Willoughby's death was very suspicious at that time. 102 00:04:55,962 --> 00:04:58,089 When we come back out and told Kaye 103 00:04:58,131 --> 00:05:01,843 that Mr. Willoughby was deceased, she showed no emotion. 104 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:04,346 She was not distraught. She was very calm. 105 00:05:04,387 --> 00:05:06,973 I don't think I ever seen her cry at all. 106 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:09,768 Just didn't feel right, didn't look right. 107 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:12,771 We needed to call the Georgia Bureau of Investigation in. 108 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,650 - Normally if there's a homicide, smaller agencies, 109 00:05:16,691 --> 00:05:18,652 they may not have an investigator, 110 00:05:18,693 --> 00:05:20,779 so they request our assistance. 111 00:05:20,904 --> 00:05:22,823 (tense music) 112 00:05:22,864 --> 00:05:24,241 Shortly after I arrived, 113 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:26,326 we had determined we were going to attempt 114 00:05:26,368 --> 00:05:29,913 to collect gunshot residue from Mrs. Willoughby's hands. 115 00:05:31,665 --> 00:05:35,418 - The crime lab came back with gunshot residue on her hand, 116 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:36,753 which would be consistent 117 00:05:36,795 --> 00:05:39,339 with her having shot a gun earlier. 118 00:05:39,381 --> 00:05:42,133 It really put her right in the center of it. 119 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,427 At this point, the evidence seemed to be overwhelming 120 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:46,680 that Kaye was involved in Ron's death. 121 00:05:46,721 --> 00:05:49,683 (suspenseful music) 122 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:54,771 - And it turned out Ron and Kaye 123 00:05:54,813 --> 00:05:56,523 were going through a divorce 124 00:05:56,565 --> 00:05:59,818 and it appeared Mr. Willoughby was trying to take steps 125 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:02,863 to protect his assets in the days just leading up 126 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:04,406 to when he had filed for a divorce. 127 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:07,617 Apparently he had changed the will, removing her from it. 128 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:09,786 - Ron was very solid financially. 129 00:06:09,828 --> 00:06:11,538 He had his RonMart business. 130 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:13,623 He had two red trucks, one brand new one 131 00:06:13,665 --> 00:06:15,959 that he had paid for in cash. 132 00:06:16,001 --> 00:06:18,253 He owned the house that they were living in on Loveless Way 133 00:06:18,295 --> 00:06:20,171 and they were in the middle of building 134 00:06:20,213 --> 00:06:23,508 a beautiful house together out on Stagecoach Road. 135 00:06:23,550 --> 00:06:25,468 So there was a huge financial motive 136 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:27,596 for Kaye to carry this out. 137 00:06:28,889 --> 00:06:31,057 (tense music) 138 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:33,351 (phone beeps) 139 00:06:56,708 --> 00:06:57,959 - We arrived at the house 140 00:06:58,001 --> 00:06:59,419 a little after 8:00 in the evening. 141 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:00,629 When we went inside, 142 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:02,005 Mr. Willoughby was sitting in a chair 143 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:03,214 in the front room. 144 00:07:03,256 --> 00:07:04,799 He seemed nervous. 145 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:07,010 He said he was going the next day to talk to his attorney 146 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:09,512 and put in the paperwork for a divorce. 147 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:10,764 His main question was, 148 00:07:10,805 --> 00:07:12,724 "Is my wife gonna have access to the house? 149 00:07:12,766 --> 00:07:14,476 Is she still gonna be able to get in here 150 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:15,852 and get her stuff?" 151 00:07:15,977 --> 00:07:17,937 And he's like, "In all honesty, I fear for my life 152 00:07:17,979 --> 00:07:20,023 because she's the beneficiary of my will." 153 00:07:20,065 --> 00:07:21,691 And he's like, "I'm afraid she might do something 154 00:07:21,733 --> 00:07:24,027 because she will benefit from my death." 155 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:27,614 Soon after that, when she showed up to the house, 156 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:32,285 it was humorous to her that he had called the police on her. 157 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:34,663 She's like, "Little old me, little old me?" 158 00:07:34,788 --> 00:07:37,040 And then she started to get her stuff and left. 159 00:07:38,124 --> 00:07:41,169 (suspenseful music) 160 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,926 - It was important to get her locked into a statement 161 00:07:47,967 --> 00:07:51,137 and basically just keep the cooperation going 162 00:07:51,179 --> 00:07:53,515 and gathering as much information as I could. 163 00:07:53,556 --> 00:07:55,058 (clock ticking) 164 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:48,588 Her actions that morning were odd. 165 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:50,048 After she heard this loud noise 166 00:09:50,090 --> 00:09:51,633 that she believed to be a gunshot, 167 00:09:51,674 --> 00:09:53,593 she doesn't contact law enforcement. 168 00:09:53,635 --> 00:09:54,719 She calls a friend 169 00:09:54,761 --> 00:09:57,013 and he actually made the call to 911. 170 00:09:57,055 --> 00:09:58,765 (dramatic music) 171 00:10:25,416 --> 00:10:27,919 - She was very willing to give her side of the story, 172 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:30,797 but I knew that there were some inconsistencies 173 00:10:30,839 --> 00:10:32,298 in her initial statement. 174 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:33,860 - He was a good family man. 175 00:11:33,902 --> 00:11:36,279 He loved being around the grandkids. 176 00:11:36,321 --> 00:11:38,031 He was their Papaw. 177 00:11:38,072 --> 00:11:40,408 If they wanted something, he didn't bat an eye 178 00:11:40,450 --> 00:11:42,202 about going and getting it for 'em. 179 00:11:43,203 --> 00:11:45,079 - Dad was very loving and caring. 180 00:11:45,121 --> 00:11:47,874 Growing up, I learned a lot about working on cars. 181 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:49,334 He would be pulling out motors 182 00:11:49,375 --> 00:11:50,960 and I would actually help him. 183 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,253 And when we'd go to the beach, 184 00:11:52,295 --> 00:11:54,339 he's the one that taught me how to ride waves. 185 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:55,840 I miss those things. 186 00:11:58,635 --> 00:12:01,262 (dramatic music) 187 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:21,491 - Kaye's whole statement was shrouded with several lies 188 00:12:21,532 --> 00:12:24,035 where she tried to lead us astray. 189 00:12:25,286 --> 00:12:27,538 One of the things that really stood out 190 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:31,459 was she heard a handgun go off around nine o'clock, 191 00:12:31,584 --> 00:12:34,545 but the call to law enforcement wasn't until 9:30. 192 00:12:35,546 --> 00:12:37,048 - We know from looking at her phone 193 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:39,884 that she called Willie C. at 9:30. 194 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:42,929 So there's a half hour of unaccounted-for time 195 00:12:42,971 --> 00:12:44,597 in Kaye's story. 196 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,183 (suspenseful music) 197 00:14:29,494 --> 00:14:32,455 (suspenseful music) 198 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,844 - They went and interviewed Tommy Woods and he said, 199 00:14:46,886 --> 00:14:48,763 "Kaye was with me the night before," 200 00:14:48,805 --> 00:14:51,516 and you know, they've had had a romantic relationship 201 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:53,059 between the two. 202 00:14:53,101 --> 00:14:55,770 "And then she left my house maybe around 7:30 203 00:14:55,812 --> 00:14:57,271 and then went back home." 204 00:14:57,313 --> 00:14:59,315 So she had lied about her whereabouts 205 00:14:59,357 --> 00:15:01,234 the night before the murder. 206 00:15:01,275 --> 00:15:02,610 Why would somebody do that 207 00:15:02,652 --> 00:15:05,154 unless they had something serious to hide? 208 00:15:05,196 --> 00:15:07,448 (tense music) 209 00:15:08,533 --> 00:15:11,828 We got all of the text messages between Kaye and Tommy, 210 00:15:11,869 --> 00:15:14,455 a hundred pages of text messages. 211 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:19,836 It gave a real time view of what Kaye's mental state was. 212 00:15:19,877 --> 00:15:23,214 And it was becoming a very volatile situation in the house. 213 00:15:23,256 --> 00:15:26,425 Ron was angry and wanted her gone. 214 00:15:26,467 --> 00:15:28,761 You could tell she was losing control, 215 00:15:29,637 --> 00:15:32,223 clearly she was getting angrier. 216 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,476 And when that control is ending, 217 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:37,770 that's when things get dangerous. 218 00:15:37,812 --> 00:15:40,106 (suspenseful music) 219 00:15:46,404 --> 00:15:49,115 - When I came back to her for the second interview, 220 00:15:49,157 --> 00:15:51,492 I wanted to change my tone so she would understand, 221 00:15:51,534 --> 00:15:54,537 this is a homicide investigation and you're lying. 222 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:33,951 - As Kaye was providing her statement, 223 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:36,162 she was not scared to make eye contact, 224 00:16:36,204 --> 00:16:40,166 but she was lying and I wanted her to understand 225 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:42,835 holes were being poked in her story. 226 00:17:12,365 --> 00:17:16,160 She was evasive, but it wasn't a very detailed story. 227 00:17:16,202 --> 00:17:17,828 So there were only so many things 228 00:17:17,869 --> 00:17:20,414 that I could trip her up on that early in the game. 229 00:17:20,455 --> 00:17:22,500 But once we knew that she was willing to lie 230 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:24,377 about smaller things, 231 00:17:24,417 --> 00:17:27,046 I knew that there was a lot that she was holding back. 232 00:17:27,088 --> 00:17:29,507 (tense music) 233 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:42,311 - Ron spoke with a number of people 234 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:44,522 in the weeks leading up to his death. 235 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:50,611 And the universal theme is that Kaye had threatened him 236 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:55,324 and that he was in fear that she was going to kill him. 237 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:57,952 For instance, Ron Willoughby had a ex-wife 238 00:17:57,994 --> 00:18:01,622 and she said Ron had talked to her the night before and said, 239 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,000 "I think something's gonna happen to me tonight." 240 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:06,919 Call me tomorrow morning by seven o'clock 241 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:09,130 and if I'm not here, then call the police 242 00:18:09,171 --> 00:18:11,257 'cause she finally got me." 243 00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:12,717 - She would tell him that 244 00:18:12,758 --> 00:18:14,802 he better keep his gun close to him. 245 00:18:14,844 --> 00:18:18,097 "Watch out. You never know what's gonna happen to you." 246 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,600 He just didn't trust her not to do something to him 247 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:22,560 even while he slept. 248 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:23,936 - A couple days before he died, 249 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:25,730 dad came down to my house and he said 250 00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:27,648 she made the comment, "Ron, when you go to sleep, 251 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,483 make sure you keep one eye open and one eye shut 252 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:30,735 and have your bullets ready." 253 00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:33,904 - Ron had told people that he was certain 254 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:35,615 that his wife was going to kill him. 255 00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:38,492 So it became important to show his state of mind 256 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:40,953 that he wasn't contemplating suicide, 257 00:18:40,995 --> 00:18:42,955 he was fearing for his life. 258 00:18:42,997 --> 00:18:44,332 But in a state of Georgia, 259 00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:46,834 anything that Ron was saying outside of the court 260 00:18:46,876 --> 00:18:48,044 would be hearsay. 261 00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:49,587 And there really wasn't a lot of certainty 262 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:51,547 as to whether or not these witnesses 263 00:18:51,589 --> 00:18:53,799 would've been allowed to testify. 264 00:18:53,841 --> 00:18:56,969 And then Kaye could walk out with a not guilty verdict. 265 00:18:58,220 --> 00:19:00,598 (tense music) 266 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:06,228 After Ron's death, 267 00:19:06,270 --> 00:19:09,774 Kaye was just emotionally flat about the whole situation. 268 00:19:09,815 --> 00:19:12,902 She was very driven by getting as much money outta him 269 00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:14,111 as she could. 270 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:15,696 She hired a lawyer to represent her 271 00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:17,865 and she wanted more and more 272 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:20,368 in addition to all the assets that she's claiming, 273 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:23,412 she also wanted $150,000. 274 00:19:24,538 --> 00:19:26,165 The family settled the whole mess 275 00:19:26,207 --> 00:19:28,376 by giving Kaye outright the house 276 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:31,837 which she sold for $100,000. 277 00:19:31,879 --> 00:19:34,298 - I was really upset. She's having a good time. 278 00:19:34,340 --> 00:19:38,219 I know she did that and yet I don't know who else to push, 279 00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:40,638 who else to talk to. 280 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,390 We had just come to a point where 281 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:44,684 we thought she was never gonna get punished for it. 282 00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:50,398 (birds chirping) 283 00:19:51,816 --> 00:19:54,026 (dates clicking) 284 00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:56,404 (pensive music) 285 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,371 - One of the changes that allowed us to go forward 286 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,999 was that Georgia adopted a new evidence code in court 287 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:10,876 that allowed in those witnesses 288 00:20:10,918 --> 00:20:14,255 that Ron talked to in the weeks leading up to his death 289 00:20:14,296 --> 00:20:18,259 in that he was convinced that Kaye was going to kill him. 290 00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:19,885 Now we knew we had enough evidence 291 00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:22,596 to seek justice for Ron and his family. 292 00:20:22,638 --> 00:20:24,932 (dramatic music) 293 00:20:28,644 --> 00:20:30,521 (dates clicking) 294 00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:33,315 (tense music) 295 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:51,625 (clock ticking) 296 00:21:01,135 --> 00:21:02,845 Going into the final interview, 297 00:21:02,845 --> 00:21:06,891 it was an opportunity for me to show the person that she was 298 00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:08,309 and I knew that it would 299 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:10,561 not be beneficial to her down the road 300 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:14,857 because the jury's gonna see her arrogance and greed. 301 00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:36,879 (tense music) 302 00:22:58,168 --> 00:23:00,671 - She was trying to be assertive to get her point across. 303 00:23:00,713 --> 00:23:02,047 She would cut me off quickly 304 00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:04,967 and just in that portion of the conversation, 305 00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:08,095 it really begins to call everything else into question 306 00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:10,014 and it can paint a picture for a jury 307 00:23:10,055 --> 00:23:12,266 that she was holding back the truth. 308 00:23:12,308 --> 00:23:14,059 (clock ticking) 309 00:23:38,667 --> 00:23:39,418 I'm like. 310 00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:43,213 - She began to kind of smirk or smile, 311 00:23:43,255 --> 00:23:44,965 as though she was taking pride in everything 312 00:23:45,007 --> 00:23:46,300 that had happened. 313 00:23:46,425 --> 00:23:48,886 There didn't appear to be any type of empathy 314 00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:52,097 for anybody else aside from herself. 315 00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:28,277 - She was very willing to communicate about money. 316 00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:31,071 She began to present herself as being greedy 317 00:25:31,113 --> 00:25:34,700 and everything appeared to be centered on finances. 318 00:25:34,742 --> 00:25:37,619 And to me, that was the most poignant moment 319 00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:39,163 surrounding all of that. 320 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,377 - [Wendell] The jury's gonna see that greed 321 00:25:45,419 --> 00:25:48,172 could be a potential motive for Mr. Willoughby's death. 322 00:25:50,174 --> 00:25:53,177 - Whatever he was offering her just never seemed to be enough. 323 00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:55,387 I wanted to confront her with that. 324 00:26:53,654 --> 00:26:56,698 - She tried to paint him as being in financial dire straits. 325 00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:58,283 It was quite the contrary. 326 00:26:58,325 --> 00:27:01,245 Ron was very secure in his finances. 327 00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:03,956 His problem was he wanted her outta his house. 328 00:27:03,997 --> 00:27:07,042 He had offered her money, but she wanted more and more. 329 00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:25,477 (suspenseful music) 330 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:31,733 (tense music) 331 00:28:02,431 --> 00:28:05,100 - As I began to confront her, her story changes. 332 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:06,810 Mrs. Willoughby had already indicated 333 00:28:06,852 --> 00:28:09,605 that she and her husband were the only two individuals 334 00:28:09,646 --> 00:28:11,106 in the residence that morning. 335 00:28:11,148 --> 00:28:12,441 She didn't deny it. 336 00:28:12,482 --> 00:28:14,651 So I definitely wanted to highlight that point. 337 00:28:25,746 --> 00:28:27,998 (dramatic music) 338 00:30:03,719 --> 00:30:05,721 - It was just a strange thing for her to say. 339 00:30:05,762 --> 00:30:08,306 Do you mean like he just wanted to wing himself 340 00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:10,475 by shooting himself in the chest? 341 00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:12,310 It just didn't make a whole lot of sense, 342 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:14,396 unless she had something to hide. 343 00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:10,035 Her story was falling apart. 344 00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:12,079 She may have felt somewhat, you know, 345 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,330 defeated in that moment. 346 00:31:13,371 --> 00:31:15,207 And she primarily deflected 347 00:31:15,248 --> 00:31:16,833 to place the blame on someone else. 348 00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:07,968 She had quick responses for everything. 349 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:11,179 She had a narrative and as the interview proceeded, 350 00:32:11,221 --> 00:32:13,932 I wanted to provoke her into a confrontation. 351 00:32:42,669 --> 00:32:44,838 (tense music) 352 00:34:51,922 --> 00:34:54,092 - It was extremely valuable 353 00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:56,219 to know that she was sticking to her story 354 00:34:56,344 --> 00:34:58,305 that Ron must have killed himself. 355 00:34:58,346 --> 00:34:59,723 We wanted to make sure 356 00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:02,225 there wasn't gonna be some kind of surprise defense. 357 00:35:02,267 --> 00:35:03,435 That was another key point 358 00:35:03,476 --> 00:35:07,230 that Wendell locked down in his interview. 359 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,970 - We knew that there was a will out there 360 00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:24,349 that left a lot of money to Kaye. 361 00:36:24,391 --> 00:36:25,725 And if she killed him, 362 00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:29,312 the balance of everything would go to Kaye. 363 00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,815 - He was gonna leave the business, the house, 364 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:33,566 everything to her. 365 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:36,194 But the relationship became so rocky 366 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:38,279 he changed the will without her knowing. 367 00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:25,034 - There was a level of arrogance from Kaye 368 00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:27,203 and there was tension in the room. 369 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,414 But to see a case through successfully, 370 00:37:29,456 --> 00:37:31,708 you have to put your feelings on the back burner. 371 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:39,382 (dramatic music) 372 00:37:43,595 --> 00:37:45,930 (tense music) 373 00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:47,932 (clock ticking) 374 00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:57,233 I had a copy of the indictment with her name on it. 375 00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,153 I thought that that might make it more real for her. 376 00:38:41,694 --> 00:38:43,238 (Kaye chuckles) 377 00:39:28,241 --> 00:39:30,410 (suspenseful music) 378 00:39:37,333 --> 00:39:38,960 - I felt confident the interview 379 00:39:39,002 --> 00:39:41,588 didn't paint her in the best light. 380 00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:43,673 I knew that the jury's gonna see, 381 00:39:43,715 --> 00:39:47,719 not only did she not tell the truth, she doubles down, 382 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,638 avoids it, has a smug attitude about it. 383 00:39:51,723 --> 00:39:54,058 - The interviews were absolutely crucial 384 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,811 because they locked her into a story. 385 00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:58,771 They locked her into a timeline 386 00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:00,523 and cemented her in some lies 387 00:40:00,565 --> 00:40:03,276 that would be pretty difficult to overcome. 388 00:40:03,318 --> 00:40:05,987 (dramatic music) 389 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,288 (dates clicking) 390 00:40:17,874 --> 00:40:20,418 (tense music) 391 00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:31,179 That jury heard the recordings. 392 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,514 So they knew she had lied about her whereabouts 393 00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:37,018 the night before the murder and the morning of the murder. 394 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:38,895 She lied about something significant 395 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:41,230 within hours of her husband being killed. 396 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:44,692 And then her 30 minute time gap, 397 00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:49,155 her not calling 911, the gunshot residue. 398 00:40:49,197 --> 00:40:52,116 And the interviews showed there was a huge financial motive 399 00:40:52,158 --> 00:40:53,952 for Kaye to carry this out. 400 00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:58,623 (suspenseful music) 401 00:41:02,251 --> 00:41:04,212 The defense attorney asked a question, 402 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:05,964 "Did you love Ron Willoughby?" 403 00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:08,466 And she stared up at the ceiling for a while 404 00:41:08,508 --> 00:41:10,677 and she looked around and she said, "Well, 405 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:15,431 maybe not enough to have married him," on cross-examination. 406 00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:17,350 I said, "Did you really mean to say that?" 407 00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:19,185 And she said, "Yeah." 408 00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:21,229 - She just sat there very stoic. 409 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,481 There was absolutely no expression to her. 410 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:26,275 You know, it was an attitude of, "I'm better than this. 411 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:28,403 I can't believe you're making me sit here." 412 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,408 (dates clicking) 413 00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:38,371 (suspenseful music) 414 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:46,963 - For a long time, I felt really hopeless. 415 00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,340 When that lady stood up and said, 416 00:41:49,465 --> 00:41:50,717 you know, her verdict. 417 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:52,093 I cried happy tears. 418 00:41:53,136 --> 00:41:54,595 She got what she deserved. 419 00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:57,932 - The jury saw right through her. 420 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:00,935 I was satisfied with what she got 421 00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:04,564 because I wanted her to have time to sit in a cell 422 00:42:04,605 --> 00:42:06,441 and think about what she had done. 423 00:42:08,151 --> 00:42:11,362 - At times, the justice process can move a little slowly. 424 00:42:11,404 --> 00:42:14,574 But after this case, Mr. Willoughby's family members 425 00:42:14,615 --> 00:42:18,202 approached me and, you know, they had kind things to say. 426 00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:21,414 So if there was any satisfaction, it just came from, 427 00:42:21,456 --> 00:42:23,666 you know, them having some sense of relief. 428 00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:27,378 - The family lost a father, lost a brother, 429 00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:29,297 lost a grandfather. 430 00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:31,090 I don't care how old the case is, 431 00:42:31,132 --> 00:42:33,760 there's no statute of limitations on murder. 432 00:42:33,801 --> 00:42:36,137 (pensive music) 433 00:42:38,931 --> 00:42:41,934 - I remember I talked to Ronnie on the phone 434 00:42:41,976 --> 00:42:43,644 the day before he died. 435 00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:47,607 He was laughing, talking, joking, you know, 436 00:42:47,648 --> 00:42:49,484 seemed in good spirits. 437 00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:53,237 And so I just miss, you know, 438 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:55,448 having him around to talk to anymore. 439 00:42:56,908 --> 00:42:58,284 I'm glad that, you know, 440 00:42:58,326 --> 00:43:00,453 Ronnie finally got justice in the end. 441 00:43:00,495 --> 00:43:02,747 (somber music)