1 00:00:01,620 --> 00:00:02,878 (ominous music) 2 00:00:07,051 --> 00:00:08,792 - [narrator] a fire leaves one woman dead 3 00:00:08,944 --> 00:00:10,719 And a five-year-old missing. 4 00:00:10,946 --> 00:00:13,129 - I never thought that this would be an arson 5 00:00:13,223 --> 00:00:17,467 To cover up a homicide to cover up an abduction. 6 00:00:17,619 --> 00:00:19,119 - [narrator] a man with a dark past 7 00:00:19,212 --> 00:00:21,288 Becomes the focus of the investigation. 8 00:00:21,381 --> 00:00:22,639 - Coulda heard a pin drop in that room. 9 00:00:22,733 --> 00:00:24,382 We all knew his name. 10 00:00:24,401 --> 00:00:27,644 - It was a shock to everyone. 11 00:00:27,738 --> 00:00:29,979 - [narrator] could one man hold all the clues? 12 00:00:30,132 --> 00:00:31,389 - [man] all right, I'm leaving now. 13 00:00:31,483 --> 00:00:34,242 - He was gonna leave and we wanted to keep him there. 14 00:00:34,469 --> 00:00:36,578 - [narrator] investigators searching for answers 15 00:00:36,729 --> 00:00:37,895 In the interrogation room. 16 00:00:37,989 --> 00:00:39,306 - [detective] stop. 17 00:00:39,324 --> 00:00:39,915 - [man] you said I was free to leave. 18 00:00:40,142 --> 00:00:40,974 - [detective] sit down. 19 00:00:41,067 --> 00:00:45,587 (brooding music) (clock ticking) 20 00:00:49,484 --> 00:00:51,409 - [narrator] every suspect accused of a crime 21 00:00:51,503 --> 00:00:53,486 Has the right to remain silent. 22 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:56,264 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 23 00:00:56,491 --> 00:00:59,250 But they can stop the interview at any moment, 24 00:00:59,269 --> 00:01:01,269 Making it a race against time. 25 00:01:03,107 --> 00:01:05,398 Justice hangs in the balance. 26 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,403 (brooding music) 27 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:14,858 (siren wailing) 28 00:01:14,952 --> 00:01:17,744 (flames crackling) 29 00:01:20,124 --> 00:01:23,250 (faint radio chatter) 30 00:01:25,537 --> 00:01:26,962 - The fire was intense. 31 00:01:27,189 --> 00:01:30,281 It was in a double-wide mobile home, 32 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:32,692 And those tend to burn very readily. 33 00:01:32,711 --> 00:01:35,211 (hose spraying) 34 00:01:35,305 --> 00:01:37,139 When I arrived on scene, 35 00:01:37,290 --> 00:01:39,532 There was a fair amount of damage. 36 00:01:39,626 --> 00:01:42,293 Some of the windows had been blown out 37 00:01:42,387 --> 00:01:44,871 A distance away from the house. 38 00:01:44,964 --> 00:01:46,464 It appeared that there may have been 39 00:01:46,558 --> 00:01:48,892 Some type of a vapor explosion. 40 00:01:49,044 --> 00:01:50,819 Pressure built up inside. 41 00:01:50,970 --> 00:01:53,062 When gasoline was ignited, 42 00:01:53,157 --> 00:01:56,324 That pushed the glass out from the frame. 43 00:01:59,221 --> 00:02:02,222 There was a bedroom that had some fire damage, 44 00:02:02,315 --> 00:02:04,073 And in that area was where there was 45 00:02:04,168 --> 00:02:06,651 A red plastic gasoline container 46 00:02:06,670 --> 00:02:09,171 That seemed extremely outta place. 47 00:02:10,565 --> 00:02:13,157 Some of these things just didn't seem normal 48 00:02:13,251 --> 00:02:14,342 For a regular fire. 49 00:02:23,745 --> 00:02:25,428 - [anchor] shortly after crews put out the fire 50 00:02:25,522 --> 00:02:27,414 Inside this bemidji mobile home, 51 00:02:27,507 --> 00:02:29,608 Investigators found a body inside. 52 00:02:32,029 --> 00:02:33,920 - Once we looked inside, 53 00:02:34,013 --> 00:02:38,274 We found out that there was a body of a female 54 00:02:38,427 --> 00:02:41,870 And there was a mattress on top of her. 55 00:02:43,598 --> 00:02:44,948 After removing some debris, 56 00:02:45,042 --> 00:02:48,117 It was noticed that her hands were in fact bound 57 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:50,045 With what appeared to be duct tape. 58 00:02:52,883 --> 00:02:56,718 - It turned it into a homicide investigation at that point 59 00:02:56,945 --> 00:02:59,279 And belief that someone was trying to cover something up 60 00:02:59,372 --> 00:03:01,389 By setting the place on fire. 61 00:03:02,634 --> 00:03:04,208 - Police are investigating the death 62 00:03:04,302 --> 00:03:06,469 At the mobile home as murder 63 00:03:06,563 --> 00:03:09,122 And they are trying to piece together a timeline of events. 64 00:03:09,140 --> 00:03:10,974 (pensive music) 65 00:03:11,126 --> 00:03:14,027 - [paul] our victim at the scene was melissa norby. 66 00:03:15,797 --> 00:03:18,815 - Melissa's cousin had called me that morning 67 00:03:18,967 --> 00:03:21,576 And says, "please tell me it's not true." 68 00:03:21,728 --> 00:03:23,486 And I was like, "what are you talking about?" 69 00:03:23,638 --> 00:03:25,413 And she goes, "melissa's house is on fire." 70 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:26,322 And I'm like, "what? 71 00:03:26,475 --> 00:03:28,232 "my daughter is over there." 72 00:03:28,252 --> 00:03:30,234 (uneasy music) 73 00:03:30,254 --> 00:03:33,980 - An officer contacted me and said that there was a female 74 00:03:34,073 --> 00:03:37,425 At the barricades that said her daughter 75 00:03:37,577 --> 00:03:41,579 Had spent the night with melissa, so I went out. 76 00:03:41,598 --> 00:03:43,581 I saw amanda. 77 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,184 (uneasy music) 78 00:03:54,503 --> 00:03:56,111 - We searched through again. 79 00:03:56,262 --> 00:03:59,447 We were confident there was no other human remains 80 00:03:59,674 --> 00:04:00,931 In the fire. 81 00:04:01,026 --> 00:04:02,951 - It went from a homicide investigation 82 00:04:03,178 --> 00:04:05,845 To now we had an active missing child case. 83 00:04:05,938 --> 00:04:08,439 - It was discovered that five-year-old 84 00:04:08,533 --> 00:04:09,849 Had been visiting the residence 85 00:04:09,942 --> 00:04:11,626 The evening that the fire occurred. 86 00:04:13,371 --> 00:04:16,965 - The weekend of the 22nd of June, melissa called me. 87 00:04:17,116 --> 00:04:18,525 She said, "can I come get your daughter 88 00:04:18,618 --> 00:04:20,376 "to spend the night with me?" 89 00:04:20,470 --> 00:04:21,544 It was routine. 90 00:04:21,638 --> 00:04:23,546 She would take my kids overnight 91 00:04:23,698 --> 00:04:26,382 And sometimes she would take 'em for three days 92 00:04:26,476 --> 00:04:28,143 Because I trusted her. 93 00:04:29,813 --> 00:04:32,705 - I asked amanda about what their fire safety plan 94 00:04:32,724 --> 00:04:34,131 Would be at home. 95 00:04:34,225 --> 00:04:36,876 I wanted to know what her daughter would do in a fire. 96 00:04:36,969 --> 00:04:40,304 And amanda said that her daughter would go outside 97 00:04:40,398 --> 00:04:41,239 And she would hide. 98 00:04:42,475 --> 00:04:43,716 - [reporter] a team of investigators 99 00:04:43,810 --> 00:04:45,068 And volunteers searched the area, 100 00:04:45,220 --> 00:04:48,071 But they could not find the missing five-year-old. 101 00:04:48,223 --> 00:04:49,814 - We were thinking there was no way 102 00:04:49,908 --> 00:04:51,558 That if we hadn't found her, 103 00:04:51,576 --> 00:04:54,060 We thought that she had been taken. 104 00:04:54,153 --> 00:04:56,320 - I never thought in a million years 105 00:04:56,340 --> 00:05:00,567 That this would be an arson to cover up a homicide 106 00:05:00,585 --> 00:05:02,585 To cover up an abduction. 107 00:05:02,679 --> 00:05:03,753 This girl's been missing 108 00:05:03,847 --> 00:05:06,181 Since roughly 3 o'clock in the morning. 109 00:05:06,408 --> 00:05:09,333 We're worried that time is not on our side. 110 00:05:09,353 --> 00:05:13,746 We're worried that we're gonna be recovering 111 00:05:13,765 --> 00:05:15,106 As opposed to rescuing. 112 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:17,675 - I was really scared. 113 00:05:17,769 --> 00:05:19,009 You hear about it all the time: 114 00:05:19,104 --> 00:05:20,436 If you don't find your child 115 00:05:20,589 --> 00:05:23,923 Within the first, what, 24 hours, 116 00:05:24,016 --> 00:05:25,349 You probably won't get her back. 117 00:05:25,369 --> 00:05:26,701 My heart dropped to the floor. 118 00:05:26,853 --> 00:05:30,855 I said, "I don't care what you have to do, find her." 119 00:05:30,874 --> 00:05:33,375 - We began to do victimology, 120 00:05:33,526 --> 00:05:36,436 Talking to everyone who may provide us 121 00:05:36,454 --> 00:05:40,123 Some little piece of information about melissa's life. 122 00:05:40,275 --> 00:05:44,110 - [paul] we started to learn more about melissa norby's life 123 00:05:44,129 --> 00:05:47,555 Through interviews with co-workers and her friends. 124 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:49,949 - Melissa's cousin was interviewed by agents 125 00:05:49,968 --> 00:05:53,803 Regarding melissa's relationships with other males. 126 00:05:53,955 --> 00:05:56,289 Her cousin told the agents that she was aware 127 00:05:56,307 --> 00:05:58,233 That melissa had been seeing a male recently 128 00:05:59,403 --> 00:06:00,360 From the bemidji area. 129 00:06:36,773 --> 00:06:39,423 - Melissa referred to him as jake. 130 00:06:39,517 --> 00:06:40,608 She was also able to provide 131 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,612 That this individual also owned a food truck. 132 00:06:45,857 --> 00:06:48,024 - We called the city clerk looking for 133 00:06:48,118 --> 00:06:49,784 Food truck licensees, 134 00:06:51,455 --> 00:06:56,291 And she told us jake's eats is owned by jacob kinn. 135 00:06:58,703 --> 00:07:00,420 You coulda heard a pin drop in that room. 136 00:07:02,466 --> 00:07:03,923 We all knew his name. 137 00:07:06,194 --> 00:07:07,802 - It was like a light bulb went off 138 00:07:07,954 --> 00:07:12,307 Because we were familiar with him in investigations. 139 00:07:12,458 --> 00:07:16,460 - [rob] jacob kinn had child pornography convictions. 140 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,798 He had tried to purchase a young girl online 141 00:07:20,892 --> 00:07:22,967 For photographing purposes. 142 00:07:23,061 --> 00:07:24,544 - Based on his past history, 143 00:07:24,637 --> 00:07:26,637 Based on his relationship with melissa, 144 00:07:26,656 --> 00:07:29,073 Jacob kinn was likely our guy. 145 00:07:30,977 --> 00:07:34,144 He was on probation at the time of this investigation. 146 00:07:34,164 --> 00:07:38,224 We asked the probation officer to call him and say, 147 00:07:38,317 --> 00:07:39,817 "you know how these things work. 148 00:07:39,911 --> 00:07:42,319 "every time a kid goes missing, 149 00:07:42,413 --> 00:07:44,154 "they always look at the people 150 00:07:44,174 --> 00:07:46,323 "who are on probation for similar crimes. 151 00:07:46,417 --> 00:07:49,235 "just come on in, it's not a big deal. 152 00:07:49,328 --> 00:07:51,012 "you'll be excluded very quickly," 153 00:07:51,239 --> 00:07:56,601 The whole idea of making it a very nonchalant encounter. 154 00:07:58,021 --> 00:07:59,095 The first thing we do, 155 00:07:59,247 --> 00:08:01,171 We reach out to the cell phone company 156 00:08:01,191 --> 00:08:04,174 And begin to get locations for jacob's cell phone. 157 00:08:04,194 --> 00:08:06,361 - We wanted to know exactly where he was. 158 00:08:06,512 --> 00:08:09,113 (brooding music) 159 00:08:20,526 --> 00:08:23,461 (door opening) 160 00:08:29,294 --> 00:08:31,052 (clock ticking) 161 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:34,371 - Agent gherardi and agent museus had been tasked 162 00:08:34,465 --> 00:08:35,948 With interviewing mr. Kinn 163 00:08:35,967 --> 00:08:37,725 When he arrived at the law enforcement center that night, 164 00:08:37,877 --> 00:08:39,452 Largely because they didn't know him, 165 00:08:39,545 --> 00:08:41,229 They didn't have any connection to him. 166 00:08:58,156 --> 00:08:59,581 - When kinn first came in, 167 00:08:59,808 --> 00:09:04,310 It was important for us to just establish rapport with him. 168 00:09:04,329 --> 00:09:07,755 That was my goal, not challenge him or get him upset 169 00:09:07,982 --> 00:09:09,757 That he would walk out of the interview room. 170 00:09:50,375 --> 00:09:54,210 - He didn't know that melissa had talked to her cousin 171 00:09:54,304 --> 00:09:57,805 About jacob being back in her life, so he probably thought 172 00:09:59,142 --> 00:10:01,142 That we weren't aware of that information. 173 00:10:23,833 --> 00:10:25,741 - As we're interviewing jacob 174 00:10:25,835 --> 00:10:28,895 And we know because we've talked to all these other people 175 00:10:28,988 --> 00:10:31,506 Who say they're in a relationship, 176 00:10:33,234 --> 00:10:36,085 They know each other, they know each other well, 177 00:10:36,237 --> 00:10:39,681 And I'm watching to see how he is gonna answer the question, 178 00:10:41,167 --> 00:10:43,351 He is distancing himself from her, 179 00:10:44,670 --> 00:10:46,412 And there's only one reason why. 180 00:10:46,431 --> 00:10:48,981 (clock ticking) 181 00:10:53,179 --> 00:10:54,529 (brooding music) 182 00:10:56,274 --> 00:10:57,865 - [anchor] deadly house fire yesterday morning. 183 00:10:58,092 --> 00:11:00,609 Fire started around 3:30 in the morning. 184 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:03,429 - Police in bemidji search for a five-year-old girl. 185 00:11:03,448 --> 00:11:06,207 - [anchor] she was last seen wearing a black shirt, 186 00:11:06,434 --> 00:11:09,452 A pink skirt, and a pink bandage on her arm. 187 00:11:09,604 --> 00:11:13,047 (brooding music continuing) 188 00:11:30,141 --> 00:11:31,882 (clock ticking) 189 00:11:31,901 --> 00:11:34,384 - We want him to lock in his timeframe, 190 00:11:34,404 --> 00:11:38,055 Establish his timeline on where he was 191 00:11:38,149 --> 00:11:39,907 And who he had been with. 192 00:11:57,076 --> 00:11:59,743 - We just wanna keep him talking 193 00:11:59,837 --> 00:12:02,930 Because the more he talks, the more comfortable he is. 194 00:12:03,082 --> 00:12:06,509 So, when we do ask the hard questions, 195 00:12:06,661 --> 00:12:08,752 He feels comfortable enough 196 00:12:08,772 --> 00:12:10,563 With our relationship to answer them. 197 00:12:58,971 --> 00:13:00,713 - There was very little eye contact. 198 00:13:00,806 --> 00:13:03,324 He held a defensive posture. 199 00:13:04,886 --> 00:13:08,979 He became defensive over very basic questions 200 00:13:08,998 --> 00:13:12,224 To establish alibi, when these were questions 201 00:13:12,243 --> 00:13:15,294 That most people would have no problem answering. 202 00:13:16,397 --> 00:13:17,321 - Having that prior knowledge 203 00:13:17,340 --> 00:13:19,990 Of where his cell phone location was 204 00:13:20,009 --> 00:13:23,010 And he started to give us a different story of his location- 205 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:27,014 - Okay. 206 00:13:28,593 --> 00:13:30,334 He had no knowledge that we had his cell phone location 207 00:13:30,428 --> 00:13:31,352 Prior to the interview. 208 00:13:46,110 --> 00:13:50,096 He told us that he had been fishing by northome, minnesota, 209 00:13:50,114 --> 00:13:52,206 But his actual location was 210 00:13:52,358 --> 00:13:54,524 Near bigfork, minnesota, 211 00:13:54,544 --> 00:13:59,046 And those two locations were approximately 30 miles apart. 212 00:14:00,532 --> 00:14:03,367 So, we knew that was likely a lie, 213 00:14:03,386 --> 00:14:07,296 But lies are just as good as the truth in our business, 214 00:14:07,448 --> 00:14:09,557 Especially when we can prove that he's lying. 215 00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,810 - His story about going to where he was at 216 00:14:21,963 --> 00:14:22,904 Was just a blatant lie. 217 00:14:26,075 --> 00:14:28,075 - At this point, I'm not confronting him on those lies, 218 00:14:28,227 --> 00:14:29,702 I'm just letting him talk. 219 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,321 I'm fairly laid back. 220 00:14:32,473 --> 00:14:34,490 You'll see that my legs are kinda stretched out, 221 00:14:34,642 --> 00:14:37,067 My arms are crossed. 222 00:14:37,161 --> 00:14:40,254 In fact, I'm pretending to sound somewhat disinterested. 223 00:14:41,999 --> 00:14:44,574 And the reason for that is I'm gathering information. 224 00:14:44,594 --> 00:14:47,670 The more information we're gathering, 225 00:14:47,822 --> 00:14:50,932 The more relationship-building is occurring. 226 00:15:02,670 --> 00:15:03,110 - Okay. 227 00:15:22,114 --> 00:15:23,189 - He's already told us some stuff 228 00:15:23,282 --> 00:15:25,800 That contradicts what he told us before. 229 00:15:26,027 --> 00:15:28,135 "I didn't have a way to get ahold of her," 230 00:15:28,287 --> 00:15:30,137 But she's flirty in her text messages? 231 00:15:40,650 --> 00:15:43,300 Once we felt we got all that information from him, 232 00:15:43,319 --> 00:15:44,893 It was time to start confronting him 233 00:15:44,988 --> 00:15:46,654 On what we actually knew 234 00:15:46,805 --> 00:15:49,281 And to find out why he doesn't wanna go there. 235 00:15:55,832 --> 00:15:56,956 (brooding music) 236 00:15:58,893 --> 00:16:01,002 - Tonight, the investigation continues. 237 00:16:01,229 --> 00:16:02,819 - [reporter] five-year-old was discovered missing 238 00:16:02,913 --> 00:16:05,397 After a fatal mobile home fire. 239 00:16:05,491 --> 00:16:08,968 (brooding music continuing) 240 00:16:23,192 --> 00:16:23,858 (clock ticking) 241 00:16:30,366 --> 00:16:33,442 - There is a time in which the investigators determine 242 00:16:33,536 --> 00:16:37,038 We are moving from an interview to a confrontation. 243 00:16:51,612 --> 00:16:54,797 - It was a balance at how hard should we push him 244 00:16:54,949 --> 00:16:57,516 And confront him on what we know. 245 00:17:15,986 --> 00:17:18,987 - Jake remains in the same position he has been 246 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:21,156 In this entire interview. 247 00:17:21,309 --> 00:17:24,326 Every chance that he gets to say, "I didn't do it," 248 00:17:24,478 --> 00:17:25,586 He's saying, "I didn't do it." 249 00:17:32,987 --> 00:17:34,053 - We're at a stalemate here. 250 00:17:38,083 --> 00:17:39,082 There were several times 251 00:17:39,176 --> 00:17:40,601 Where paul or I would leave the room. 252 00:17:42,254 --> 00:17:44,754 Sometimes we find people confess better 253 00:17:44,849 --> 00:17:46,732 To one person than two. 254 00:17:48,444 --> 00:17:50,945 (clock ticking) 255 00:18:11,783 --> 00:18:15,194 We started asking very pointed questions 256 00:18:15,287 --> 00:18:17,787 And questions that challenged his alibi 257 00:18:17,807 --> 00:18:20,699 And challenged him, his story to us, 258 00:18:20,792 --> 00:18:23,811 Getting him to try to account 259 00:18:24,038 --> 00:18:25,604 For the information that we know. 260 00:18:44,909 --> 00:18:47,893 - The frustration level increased with him, 261 00:18:47,912 --> 00:18:50,396 Being uncomfortable answering questions. 262 00:18:50,489 --> 00:18:53,507 You could see that in his demeanor. 263 00:18:59,073 --> 00:19:00,923 Paul and I both leave the room, 264 00:19:01,017 --> 00:19:04,243 And that was a time in which we wanted to make sure 265 00:19:04,261 --> 00:19:05,686 We'd covered all our bases. 266 00:19:06,689 --> 00:19:09,315 (brooding music) 267 00:19:25,708 --> 00:19:27,449 - When jacob kinn had shown up at the sheriff's department, 268 00:19:27,601 --> 00:19:29,543 We observed right away that his boots were wet, 269 00:19:29,695 --> 00:19:30,953 His pants were wet. 270 00:19:31,105 --> 00:19:33,029 We walked outside and took a look at his vehicle 271 00:19:33,049 --> 00:19:35,716 And saw flower material and weeds, 272 00:19:35,867 --> 00:19:38,702 So it looked like he'd been driving off of the road. 273 00:19:38,796 --> 00:19:41,705 - Jacob parked right in front of the law enforcement center. 274 00:19:41,724 --> 00:19:44,800 His vehicle looked like it had been driving out in a field, 275 00:19:44,952 --> 00:19:48,062 Certainly not to a resort to go fishing like he said he was. 276 00:19:49,715 --> 00:19:51,398 - We said, "all right, let's do a search warrant 277 00:19:51,550 --> 00:19:53,049 "on the vehicle. 278 00:19:53,069 --> 00:19:56,128 "let's do a search warrant on his person and for his house." 279 00:19:56,146 --> 00:19:58,797 - The atmosphere at the police department at that point 280 00:19:58,816 --> 00:20:00,799 Was like a full-court press. 281 00:20:00,818 --> 00:20:03,969 Everybody is high-intensity. 282 00:20:03,988 --> 00:20:06,247 We're aware of the clock. (clock ticking) 283 00:20:06,474 --> 00:20:09,157 If we don't find her in the first 24 hours, 284 00:20:09,252 --> 00:20:12,828 The chances of her being alive are pretty much none. 285 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:13,996 - We'd step outta the room, 286 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:15,923 Not only to get advice on what to ask next 287 00:20:16,074 --> 00:20:19,167 But what's jacob's body language looking like 288 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,261 Without us in the room? 289 00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:24,932 He appeared stressed. 290 00:20:25,083 --> 00:20:28,176 He appeared as though this was the last place 291 00:20:28,271 --> 00:20:29,103 He wanted to be. 292 00:20:43,435 --> 00:20:45,786 (door opening) 293 00:20:47,531 --> 00:20:49,623 - He was gonna leave and we wanted to keep him there. 294 00:20:52,036 --> 00:20:53,519 - I don't wanna hold him in the room 295 00:20:53,537 --> 00:20:56,855 Because then constitutionally it looks like a detention. 296 00:20:56,874 --> 00:20:58,524 We're still waiting for search warrants. 297 00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:01,376 We're still waiting for other pieces of information. 298 00:21:01,529 --> 00:21:03,045 We wanna keep him in that room. 299 00:21:03,197 --> 00:21:04,972 So, we kinda walk this fine line, 300 00:21:05,123 --> 00:21:08,475 Hoping that he stays there willingly. 301 00:21:10,313 --> 00:21:10,978 (door opening) 302 00:21:13,983 --> 00:21:14,982 - [jake answers indistinctly] 303 00:21:32,743 --> 00:21:34,893 - He probably thought the gas can went up in the fire 304 00:21:34,912 --> 00:21:37,412 And was surprised that there was actually 305 00:21:37,565 --> 00:21:41,342 A gas can fully intact still at the fire scene. 306 00:22:02,256 --> 00:22:05,924 The confrontation of, "we think that you abducted 307 00:22:06,017 --> 00:22:08,202 "the five-year-old," occurs right here. 308 00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:47,741 - [paul] um... 309 00:23:16,346 --> 00:23:19,665 We all knew that jacob kinn was likely our guy. 310 00:23:19,758 --> 00:23:22,276 We were very aware of the urgency 311 00:23:22,427 --> 00:23:24,686 And the time that we didn't have. 312 00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,338 We wanna keep him in that room 313 00:23:26,356 --> 00:23:27,948 To gather the evidence to find this little girl. 314 00:23:28,099 --> 00:23:30,451 (dramatic music) 315 00:23:34,940 --> 00:23:37,583 (brooding music) 316 00:23:43,373 --> 00:23:45,707 - We knew that we'd put the pressure on 317 00:23:45,801 --> 00:23:47,259 And he wants to leave. 318 00:23:50,531 --> 00:23:53,122 We have opted to try to keep him there 319 00:23:53,142 --> 00:23:55,309 In order to get the search warrant signed. 320 00:24:05,045 --> 00:24:07,321 - We're awaiting the signature 321 00:24:07,472 --> 00:24:09,214 From a judge on the search warrants. 322 00:24:09,233 --> 00:24:11,975 I made the decision that he needs to stay here. 323 00:24:12,069 --> 00:24:15,554 Legally, we're able to detain him for a short period of time 324 00:24:15,572 --> 00:24:16,997 Waiting for that search warrant to get signed. 325 00:24:24,823 --> 00:24:27,065 - At this point in the interview, he's had enough. 326 00:24:27,084 --> 00:24:29,751 I believe he's read between the lines 327 00:24:29,845 --> 00:24:34,515 That we know far more than what he believed we knew. 328 00:24:49,365 --> 00:24:50,422 - [chad speaking indistinctly] 329 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,698 You're wrestling around in your head. 330 00:24:51,925 --> 00:24:53,775 It's like, "we should just arrest him, 331 00:24:53,869 --> 00:24:55,035 Put him behind bars." 332 00:24:56,539 --> 00:24:58,205 And then it was, "do I have enough to arrest him?" 333 00:24:58,432 --> 00:25:00,448 But with the investigative team there, 334 00:25:00,601 --> 00:25:01,833 It was, "all right, we're gonna let him walk." 335 00:25:08,717 --> 00:25:10,959 - We just didn't feel that there was probably enough 336 00:25:11,053 --> 00:25:12,553 To hold him at the time. 337 00:25:14,205 --> 00:25:17,349 - We watched jacob kinn walk out of our police department, 338 00:25:18,452 --> 00:25:21,787 Not in handcuffs but a free man. 339 00:25:21,805 --> 00:25:23,955 He wasn't ready to confess. 340 00:25:23,974 --> 00:25:26,716 And time is not on our side, 341 00:25:26,735 --> 00:25:29,385 But we had other officers and agents 342 00:25:29,479 --> 00:25:31,405 Investigating his vehicle, 343 00:25:31,556 --> 00:25:36,076 And it was evident to them that he'd been somewhere rural, 344 00:25:36,303 --> 00:25:40,138 And we were interested in where that was. 345 00:25:40,157 --> 00:25:41,731 - Part of the problem with the data 346 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:44,993 That we got from the cell phone was it landed 347 00:25:45,087 --> 00:25:49,256 Out in the middle of a very rural area in bigfork. 348 00:25:49,407 --> 00:25:51,166 - We took the latitude and longitude coordinates 349 00:25:51,318 --> 00:25:54,595 Provided by the verizon telephone company. 350 00:25:54,746 --> 00:25:56,338 We're able to map those coordinates, 351 00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:57,931 And it put the cell phone 352 00:25:58,158 --> 00:26:02,177 As to possibly being 5.2 miles northeast 353 00:26:02,271 --> 00:26:04,771 Of the cell phone tower in bigfork, minnesota. 354 00:26:06,667 --> 00:26:09,759 - [rob] we were doing a map reconnaissance of the area, 355 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:12,446 Checking to see what other houses might be in the area. 356 00:26:14,174 --> 00:26:16,858 We found a property listed to a relative of jacob 357 00:26:17,010 --> 00:26:19,010 That was right in alignment 358 00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:20,954 With where that phone ping showed up at. 359 00:26:22,366 --> 00:26:24,625 We knew we had to go check. 360 00:26:24,776 --> 00:26:28,277 - Grabbed my vehicle, my squad, a pair of boots, 361 00:26:28,297 --> 00:26:30,797 Got a full tank of gas, and we made the drive to bigfork. 362 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:36,970 (ominous music) 363 00:26:42,886 --> 00:26:44,794 - When we got close to the area up in bigfork, 364 00:26:44,813 --> 00:26:47,722 It was just starting to get light out. 365 00:26:47,875 --> 00:26:49,816 We were looking for any spots 366 00:26:49,968 --> 00:26:52,653 Where a vehicle mighta pulled off or turned around. 367 00:26:54,882 --> 00:26:56,715 - It had rained the night before. 368 00:26:56,733 --> 00:26:58,900 And as we were driving up to the intersection 369 00:26:59,052 --> 00:27:02,220 Of township road 288, which was a dirt road 370 00:27:02,239 --> 00:27:04,072 Heading west off of the paved two-lane road 371 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:05,982 That we were driving on, 372 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:09,152 We could see a set of vehicle tracks. 373 00:27:09,171 --> 00:27:10,987 To us, it looked like the tire tracks 374 00:27:11,006 --> 00:27:14,841 Were very similar to jacob kinn's tracks on his jeep 375 00:27:14,993 --> 00:27:16,343 That we had looked at previously. 376 00:27:17,846 --> 00:27:21,256 (pensive music) 377 00:27:21,408 --> 00:27:24,834 - It was exactly what we had traveled to bigfork to find. 378 00:27:24,853 --> 00:27:27,837 - We got to the west end of the township road 379 00:27:27,931 --> 00:27:31,082 And saw that the tire tracks had come on out of a field road 380 00:27:31,101 --> 00:27:34,027 That also proceeded west and down a hill 381 00:27:34,179 --> 00:27:36,512 And into a low area. 382 00:27:36,532 --> 00:27:40,200 We parked the squad and proceeded on foot. 383 00:27:42,262 --> 00:27:45,430 - The grass was about knee-high. 384 00:27:45,449 --> 00:27:46,540 And we followed the tracks, 385 00:27:46,691 --> 00:27:49,209 It was probably at least a half-mile walk. 386 00:27:51,362 --> 00:27:52,938 I was afraid that we were gonna find a little girl's body 387 00:27:52,956 --> 00:27:54,214 Somewhere along that trail. 388 00:27:56,534 --> 00:27:58,293 - [don] as we got up over the rise, 389 00:27:58,387 --> 00:28:01,296 On the top of the field we could see a pickup camper 390 00:28:01,448 --> 00:28:02,389 Tucked back into the woods. 391 00:28:05,302 --> 00:28:08,228 The tracks pulled right up to the south side of the camper. 392 00:28:10,381 --> 00:28:14,234 - I walked up to the camper, and the door was tied tight 393 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,362 With a big wad of electrical tape. 394 00:28:19,816 --> 00:28:21,908 I was nervous when I opened up the camper door. 395 00:28:26,898 --> 00:28:29,249 I didn't know what we were gonna find. 396 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,418 (rising uneasy music) 397 00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:37,758 (brooding music) 398 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,105 - We got up to the camper, 399 00:28:53,424 --> 00:28:54,833 And around the door of the camper 400 00:28:54,851 --> 00:28:58,261 You could see that somebody had placed electrical tape 401 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,673 Around the doorknob to prevent the door from being opened. 402 00:29:01,766 --> 00:29:02,932 And rob looked at me, and I said, 403 00:29:02,951 --> 00:29:04,618 "rob, just go ahead and open it." 404 00:29:08,123 --> 00:29:10,248 And that's when we found her. 405 00:29:26,883 --> 00:29:28,550 - Don was right next to me. 406 00:29:28,702 --> 00:29:29,884 "turn on your cell phone," he said. 407 00:29:29,978 --> 00:29:32,479 We didn't have body cameras and stuff at the time. 408 00:29:37,878 --> 00:29:39,635 I saw a little girl sitting on a bed, 409 00:29:39,655 --> 00:29:41,154 Looked like she had just woke up... 410 00:29:44,309 --> 00:29:46,159 Sitting there, 10 fingers, 10 toes. 411 00:29:53,484 --> 00:29:55,484 - Finding that little girl alive, 412 00:29:55,504 --> 00:29:57,170 I don't know if words can describe it. 413 00:30:07,407 --> 00:30:10,851 We had a text thread going on to share information. 414 00:30:11,078 --> 00:30:13,595 Don took a picture of me and little girl 415 00:30:13,747 --> 00:30:15,021 And put it on that text thread. 416 00:30:17,100 --> 00:30:21,269 - 6:15 a.M. Was when I got the call from don. 417 00:30:21,421 --> 00:30:22,362 He said, "we have her." 418 00:30:23,348 --> 00:30:24,089 And I said, "alive?" 419 00:30:24,107 --> 00:30:25,490 He said, "alive." 420 00:30:27,870 --> 00:30:29,202 - That was fantastic. 421 00:30:31,781 --> 00:30:32,539 Never woulda believed it. 422 00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:40,213 - When I saw that text, it still... (sniffling) 423 00:30:46,221 --> 00:30:51,057 - It was amazing that we were able to find her alive. 424 00:30:56,565 --> 00:30:58,899 - They had called me and said, "we have your daughter. 425 00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:00,792 "she is safe. 426 00:31:00,810 --> 00:31:03,403 "she is asking for her mom." 427 00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:04,905 (laughing) I mean, I just wanna hold her, 428 00:31:05,056 --> 00:31:07,982 I wanna hug her, I want her in my arms. 429 00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:10,301 (uneasy music) 430 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,487 - [don] she told us her name, her mother's name. 431 00:31:12,581 --> 00:31:15,231 We could see that she had tape around her legs, 432 00:31:15,250 --> 00:31:17,083 That she had tape around her arms. 433 00:31:20,497 --> 00:31:22,255 - And she told us about the man that put her there. 434 00:31:27,745 --> 00:31:29,170 - She told us all these little bits 435 00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:32,098 Of describing information that described jacob kinn to us. 436 00:31:36,754 --> 00:31:38,496 - I'd received a text from don newhouse 437 00:31:38,515 --> 00:31:41,274 That says, "she's alive, arrest him." 438 00:31:41,426 --> 00:31:43,851 - Jacob william kinn, 439 00:31:44,004 --> 00:31:46,762 Age 32, was identified as a person of interest. 440 00:31:46,782 --> 00:31:48,949 - I woke up to a picture of a girl 441 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:53,845 That we had been looking for for, now, 26-27 hours 442 00:31:53,938 --> 00:31:55,622 Alive and well in an agent's arms. 443 00:31:57,608 --> 00:31:58,917 "she's alive, arrest him." 444 00:32:00,687 --> 00:32:04,113 - And now we're like, "where is jacob right now? 445 00:32:04,132 --> 00:32:06,708 "we need to find him and put cuffs on him." 446 00:32:06,802 --> 00:32:09,135 (tense music) 447 00:32:16,703 --> 00:32:20,371 - Police found jacob kinn driving his dad's pickup, 448 00:32:20,390 --> 00:32:25,059 Traveling back to where he had held her captive. 449 00:32:25,212 --> 00:32:28,154 They captured him and interviewed him again 450 00:32:28,306 --> 00:32:30,398 At the sheriff's office in grand rapids. 451 00:32:30,492 --> 00:32:33,159 (brooding music) 452 00:32:45,841 --> 00:32:49,250 - Our goal was, "let's reconfirm his story 453 00:32:49,344 --> 00:32:52,828 "that he had no connection with melissa norby," 454 00:32:52,848 --> 00:32:54,681 And have him continue to deny that. 455 00:32:56,018 --> 00:32:58,518 (clock ticking) 456 00:33:10,181 --> 00:33:11,531 - He was very smug in appearance, 457 00:33:13,443 --> 00:33:14,534 Said very little. 458 00:33:14,761 --> 00:33:17,186 And I truly think when agent gherardi and I 459 00:33:17,205 --> 00:33:19,522 Walked into that interview room, 460 00:33:19,541 --> 00:33:21,374 He had no idea we knew what we knew. 461 00:33:36,207 --> 00:33:37,891 - He was, "why am I under arrest? 462 00:33:38,042 --> 00:33:39,893 "what changed from a couple hours ago?" 463 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,120 So, I just wanted to settle him down 464 00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:44,230 And let's move on from there. 465 00:33:58,396 --> 00:34:01,656 - Having kinn retell us his denial 466 00:34:01,808 --> 00:34:04,826 Of him not being around melissa 467 00:34:04,978 --> 00:34:06,828 Was to head off any type of story 468 00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:08,329 That he might try to create 469 00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:11,049 Or explain his actions when you're in court. 470 00:34:33,857 --> 00:34:38,451 - I had the photo that don and rob had sent me 471 00:34:38,603 --> 00:34:42,789 And I just said I'm just gonna let him know he's caught. 472 00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:46,292 (rising suspenseful music) 473 00:34:58,865 --> 00:35:00,956 - That was a moment I won't forget. 474 00:35:00,976 --> 00:35:02,049 - You coulda heard a pin drop 475 00:35:02,144 --> 00:35:05,536 When agent gherardi pulled his phone out 476 00:35:05,555 --> 00:35:07,205 And brought up that picture. 477 00:35:07,223 --> 00:35:08,539 I'll remember this forever. 478 00:35:08,558 --> 00:35:11,209 He stared at that phone and looked at that photo. 479 00:35:11,227 --> 00:35:13,728 You can see him writhe in the chair a little bit, 480 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,715 And he knew at that moment that we had him. 481 00:35:17,734 --> 00:35:18,974 - They put that piece of evidence in front of him 482 00:35:18,994 --> 00:35:20,326 And he shut down. 483 00:35:24,557 --> 00:35:25,665 That was really something to see. 484 00:35:47,355 --> 00:35:48,596 - I try to play on his emotions. 485 00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:50,581 "tell us where you're at, tell us what's happened. 486 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,649 "let us fill in those gaps." 487 00:37:16,444 --> 00:37:18,853 - He's actually smart enough to just say, 488 00:37:19,005 --> 00:37:20,338 "I wanna talk to an attorney." 489 00:37:20,356 --> 00:37:22,264 However, we had enough evidence 490 00:37:22,284 --> 00:37:24,358 That we knew what had happened anyway. 491 00:37:24,452 --> 00:37:26,744 (pensive music) 492 00:37:31,017 --> 00:37:35,019 - As investigators got through jacob kinn's phone 493 00:37:35,038 --> 00:37:37,872 And melissa norby's phone, 494 00:37:37,966 --> 00:37:42,302 There was information that they had planned this together, 495 00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:46,472 That jacob would have a relationship with her 496 00:37:46,699 --> 00:37:48,641 If she gave him access to a child. 497 00:37:52,722 --> 00:37:53,980 The plot thickened again. 498 00:37:54,207 --> 00:37:56,724 It was like how many times can this case 499 00:37:56,876 --> 00:37:59,301 Have a twist and turn like that? 500 00:37:59,321 --> 00:38:01,321 - [heather] melissa being involved 501 00:38:01,472 --> 00:38:05,992 To the extent that she was, it was a shock to everyone. 502 00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:13,333 (uneasy music) 503 00:38:14,744 --> 00:38:17,337 - After the initial investigation and the arrest, 504 00:38:17,488 --> 00:38:19,589 We found a string of text messages 505 00:38:21,343 --> 00:38:25,753 That showed that this whole abduction was planned out, 506 00:38:26,681 --> 00:38:31,017 Orchestrated, and discussed amongst melissa and jacob. 507 00:38:31,427 --> 00:38:32,477 We couldn't believe it. 508 00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:39,934 - It really felt like we were in some movie. 509 00:38:40,086 --> 00:38:42,153 The plot just changed on us. 510 00:38:44,699 --> 00:38:46,924 - [rob] it was very shocking. 511 00:38:46,943 --> 00:38:48,350 - [reporter] authorities later learned 512 00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:50,945 That norby had been working with this man, jacob kinn. 513 00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:53,598 He had previously been arrested for child pornography 514 00:38:53,616 --> 00:38:55,950 And soon became the number-one suspect. 515 00:38:56,102 --> 00:38:57,768 - Melissa had communicated to jacob kinn 516 00:38:57,787 --> 00:38:59,862 That if they did do a staged abduction, 517 00:38:59,956 --> 00:39:02,030 That he would have to hurt her, 518 00:39:02,125 --> 00:39:03,958 To make it look like she was assaulted 519 00:39:04,052 --> 00:39:04,942 So that the police would believe 520 00:39:04,961 --> 00:39:06,127 That she was a victim as well 521 00:39:06,279 --> 00:39:08,221 And that a stranger had abducted this girl. 522 00:39:09,874 --> 00:39:12,207 - Obviously, melissa didn't consent to her death. 523 00:39:12,301 --> 00:39:15,061 He put that twist in there on his own. 524 00:39:15,288 --> 00:39:17,880 Jacob kinn wanted the little girl for himself, 525 00:39:17,899 --> 00:39:21,976 And his avenue to do that was through melissa norby. 526 00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:25,363 It was just another chapter in jacob kinn's sick mind. 527 00:39:28,076 --> 00:39:30,801 - This mother trusted her with her child, 528 00:39:30,820 --> 00:39:33,746 And she took total advantage of that and betrayed it 529 00:39:33,973 --> 00:39:35,806 Because she wanted to have a relationship 530 00:39:35,825 --> 00:39:38,000 With someone who obviously did not value her. 531 00:39:39,403 --> 00:39:40,811 - It just didn't make sense to me. 532 00:39:40,905 --> 00:39:44,498 The melissa that I knew was loving, caring, protective, 533 00:39:44,592 --> 00:39:46,000 And then you find out 534 00:39:46,152 --> 00:39:50,913 That she actually helped plan this and... 535 00:39:50,932 --> 00:39:54,249 I just don't get how a mother can do that. 536 00:39:54,269 --> 00:39:56,919 (sober music) 537 00:39:56,938 --> 00:40:01,832 - As a police officer, I see victims of domestic abuse. 538 00:40:02,277 --> 00:40:04,092 Victims are manipulated in a way 539 00:40:04,187 --> 00:40:06,337 That preys on their self-worth. 540 00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:08,839 He made her feel so inadequate 541 00:40:08,933 --> 00:40:12,535 That she allowed him to abuse her family friend. 542 00:40:13,788 --> 00:40:16,622 She went to some pretty disgusting lengths 543 00:40:16,774 --> 00:40:17,707 To feel loved by somebody. 544 00:40:19,627 --> 00:40:22,295 - He should be in prison for the rest of his life. 545 00:40:23,465 --> 00:40:26,799 (sober music continuing) 546 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,553 - As far as I'm concerned, I don't know if jacob kinn 547 00:40:39,706 --> 00:40:41,606 Could be sentenced for long enough. 548 00:40:43,059 --> 00:40:45,818 But that plea deal kept a little girl 549 00:40:46,045 --> 00:40:49,396 From having to get up on the stand and testify 550 00:40:49,549 --> 00:40:50,823 And relive what happened. 551 00:40:52,476 --> 00:40:54,494 - Today, my daughter, she's thriving. 552 00:40:54,721 --> 00:40:58,146 She's stubborn, she's pushy and bossy, 553 00:40:58,166 --> 00:41:00,666 She is a normal 11-year-old child. 554 00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:02,651 - [girl] see, she's trying to get on my head. (laughing) 555 00:41:02,670 --> 00:41:04,061 - Where'd she go? - She's over here. 556 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,630 - She is amazing. 557 00:41:06,749 --> 00:41:07,965 Definitely my strength. 558 00:41:10,236 --> 00:41:12,753 - [paul] this case is a career case for me. 559 00:41:12,905 --> 00:41:14,972 It's had a big impact in my life. 560 00:41:18,261 --> 00:41:20,002 This interview, looking back at it now, 561 00:41:20,096 --> 00:41:21,687 I realize how important it was. 562 00:41:24,526 --> 00:41:27,026 - Jacob was hard to interview 563 00:41:27,253 --> 00:41:29,320 Because it was hard to play to his emotions. 564 00:41:33,609 --> 00:41:34,850 - He controlled the interview so much 565 00:41:34,869 --> 00:41:37,762 With his defensive responses to our questions, 566 00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:39,539 Yet the longer he talked- 567 00:41:42,026 --> 00:41:45,527 - The closer we got to recovering her. 568 00:41:45,547 --> 00:41:48,839 Every word out of his mouth was a piece of evidence. 569 00:41:52,887 --> 00:41:55,946 - [chad] the fact that we were able to recover her alive 570 00:41:55,965 --> 00:41:57,723 Is nothing but amazing. 571 00:41:59,468 --> 00:42:03,287 - This, I think, will forever be the number-one case 572 00:42:03,306 --> 00:42:04,638 That I've ever worked on, 573 00:42:04,732 --> 00:42:07,733 Just because we were able to bring her home, you know? 574 00:42:07,885 --> 00:42:08,901 We got her back. 575 00:42:12,056 --> 00:42:13,964 (somber music) 576 00:42:13,983 --> 00:42:17,225 - Today, if you go out to bigfork, minnesota, 577 00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:19,728 Where we processed the camper scene, 578 00:42:19,822 --> 00:42:23,749 You can still see the camper tucked back into the woods. 579 00:42:23,901 --> 00:42:24,834 Pretty disturbing. 580 00:42:26,421 --> 00:42:30,572 - To look at the vastness of the area in and around bigfork 581 00:42:30,666 --> 00:42:32,149 And to find this little camper, 582 00:42:32,168 --> 00:42:34,576 It was basically a needle in a haystack. 583 00:42:34,596 --> 00:42:36,721 Just never woulda believed it. 584 00:42:38,658 --> 00:42:41,008 - We go into law enforcement to help people 585 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,584 And to put bad people away. 586 00:42:42,678 --> 00:42:45,846 To be able to do both in the same day, 587 00:42:45,940 --> 00:42:47,756 It was a really good feeling. 588 00:42:47,775 --> 00:42:50,000 - There was no apology from kinn in court, 589 00:42:50,019 --> 00:42:53,687 The judge sentencing him to 52 years in prison. 590 00:42:53,781 --> 00:42:57,341 - Everybody that helped bring her home, thank you so much. 591 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,600 You guys are my heroes. 592 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,370 If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have her today.