1 00:00:01,712 --> 00:00:04,129 (tense music) 2 00:00:12,723 --> 00:00:13,638 - [narrator] a vicious crime. 3 00:00:16,952 --> 00:00:19,728 - Nixon had been stabbed with a pair of scissors. 4 00:00:19,955 --> 00:00:22,064 - [narrator] his partner overcome with grief. 5 00:00:24,551 --> 00:00:25,809 - [narrator] details of an intense 6 00:00:25,961 --> 00:00:27,819 Sexual relationship emerge. 7 00:00:30,465 --> 00:00:33,158 - He and mr. Nixon inflicted pain on each other. 8 00:00:36,138 --> 00:00:38,238 - [narrator] investigators searching for answers. 9 00:00:38,990 --> 00:00:40,207 - In the interrogation room. 10 00:00:45,572 --> 00:00:47,923 (tense music) 11 00:00:53,822 --> 00:00:55,746 - [narrator] every suspect accused of a crime 12 00:00:55,841 --> 00:00:57,748 Has the right to remain silent. 13 00:00:57,768 --> 00:01:00,660 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 14 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:03,421 But they can stop the interview at any moment, 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,690 Making it a race against time. 16 00:01:07,444 --> 00:01:09,736 Justice hangs in the balance. 17 00:01:11,115 --> 00:01:13,573 (tense music) 18 00:01:53,991 --> 00:01:57,384 (tense music) 19 00:01:57,402 --> 00:02:01,888 - Our local 9-1-1 center received a call from ryan lamb 20 00:02:01,981 --> 00:02:05,058 Stating that his significant other, ryan nixon, 21 00:02:05,076 --> 00:02:09,462 Had been assaulted and requested medical assistance. 22 00:02:36,015 --> 00:02:38,366 (tense music) 23 00:02:40,871 --> 00:02:43,371 (ryan panting) 24 00:02:58,296 --> 00:03:02,206 - Ryan lamb was uncontrollably emotional, 25 00:03:02,226 --> 00:03:05,518 Screaming, yelling, crying, just wailing. 26 00:03:09,291 --> 00:03:11,307 - [jim] they determined that for safety's sake, 27 00:03:11,401 --> 00:03:14,527 He needed to be handcuffed and removed from the scene. 28 00:03:24,081 --> 00:03:26,665 (ryan sobbing) 29 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:32,587 - As the police entered the unit, 30 00:03:32,814 --> 00:03:36,258 They could see blood on the doorstep and on the landing. 31 00:03:37,986 --> 00:03:40,503 They said that the apartment was in disarray, 32 00:03:40,597 --> 00:03:43,515 It appeared as if there had been some sort of altercation. 33 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,344 There was blood on the bed, blood on the floor, 34 00:03:48,438 --> 00:03:52,524 You could see foot marks and fingerprints on the linoleum. 35 00:03:54,278 --> 00:03:56,278 Once they got into the bathroom, 36 00:03:56,505 --> 00:03:58,947 They found ryan nixon in the bathtub 37 00:03:59,174 --> 00:04:03,009 In a semi seated position with the water running. 38 00:04:03,028 --> 00:04:06,529 I think he was only clothed in his underwear. 39 00:04:06,623 --> 00:04:11,868 Mr. Lamb had reported that mr. Nixon had poke holes in him. 40 00:04:11,962 --> 00:04:15,038 We later learned that those were the result of being stabbed 41 00:04:15,132 --> 00:04:17,966 With a pair of scissors that we found in the residence. 42 00:04:19,861 --> 00:04:23,054 Ultimately, it was determined that ryan nixon was deceased. 43 00:04:33,299 --> 00:04:36,300 - Ryan nixon is my little brother. 44 00:04:36,394 --> 00:04:38,486 We are two years apart from each other. 45 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:46,828 Ryan was so kind, so kind. 46 00:04:48,557 --> 00:04:49,331 He had a big heart. 47 00:04:51,076 --> 00:04:53,168 I wouldn't want anyone else to grow up with. 48 00:04:55,564 --> 00:05:00,324 I have three children that he loved tremendously. 49 00:05:00,344 --> 00:05:02,344 They talked to their uncle ryan all the time. 50 00:05:03,347 --> 00:05:06,089 I talked to him all the time. 51 00:05:06,241 --> 00:05:10,310 He would do anything for me and I would do anything for him. 52 00:05:11,838 --> 00:05:15,523 He was literally my ride or die. 53 00:05:20,197 --> 00:05:21,938 He was working at a local restaurant 54 00:05:22,032 --> 00:05:23,272 In kalispell, montana. 55 00:05:23,425 --> 00:05:27,184 He loved to cook, which he got that from my mom. 56 00:05:27,204 --> 00:05:29,186 - I see him standing in my kitchen cooking 57 00:05:29,206 --> 00:05:33,266 And he sang, oh god, but he sang out of tune. 58 00:05:33,284 --> 00:05:34,859 He would take a spoon full of something and, 59 00:05:34,878 --> 00:05:37,045 Here, taste this, taste this, tastes this. 60 00:05:37,272 --> 00:05:39,439 And you tell him, no, I don't wanna taste this. 61 00:05:39,457 --> 00:05:41,958 You finish cooking it or whatever and then I'll taste it. 62 00:05:42,052 --> 00:05:44,777 No taste this, taste this. - He was always a jokester. 63 00:05:44,871 --> 00:05:46,446 - He'd like to hide behind the doors 64 00:05:46,539 --> 00:05:48,223 And jump out and scare you and stuff. 65 00:05:49,893 --> 00:05:53,895 Ryan edward nixon was 31 years old when he passed away. 66 00:05:55,624 --> 00:05:58,307 And really after that life kind of became a blur. 67 00:05:58,402 --> 00:06:01,218 I remember things moving around me and things happening, 68 00:06:01,238 --> 00:06:04,364 But as far as exactly what it was, 69 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:08,058 And I'm still kind of to that point. 70 00:06:08,078 --> 00:06:11,487 I mean, I'm trying to get along with life every day, 71 00:06:11,581 --> 00:06:16,042 But some days are harder than others, some days, 72 00:06:17,829 --> 00:06:20,329 Hmm, some days I don't do at all. 73 00:06:20,424 --> 00:06:22,482 - Trying to deal with it 74 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:24,092 And a lot of it I haven't got to deal with. 75 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:25,743 - No, we... 76 00:06:25,837 --> 00:06:29,672 I don't want to do what my mind says and I gotta control it 77 00:06:29,766 --> 00:06:30,723 And I miss my son. 78 00:06:35,254 --> 00:06:37,605 (tense music) 79 00:07:11,791 --> 00:07:15,051 - Ryan lamb was in our, what we call booking area. 80 00:07:15,203 --> 00:07:17,720 When we're initially bringing somebody in 81 00:07:17,814 --> 00:07:22,484 We put 'em down there and it's audio and visually recorded. 82 00:07:29,159 --> 00:07:32,218 - His emotional state seemed like it was consistent 83 00:07:32,237 --> 00:07:34,144 With someone that would have 84 00:07:34,164 --> 00:07:37,223 Recently encountered a traumatic situation. 85 00:07:37,316 --> 00:07:39,984 He kept repeating what we later learned 86 00:07:40,003 --> 00:07:42,837 Was a pet name that he had for mr. Nixon, 87 00:07:43,064 --> 00:07:44,756 He called him bubba. 88 00:07:55,501 --> 00:07:57,426 - When someone's super emotional 89 00:07:57,521 --> 00:07:59,687 And we're conducting interviews, 90 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:03,007 You have to be patient and show some compassion 91 00:08:03,026 --> 00:08:06,194 And empathy, sympathy to what they're going through. 92 00:08:07,364 --> 00:08:09,822 (tense music) 93 00:08:21,861 --> 00:08:25,121 - I approached it from an informational standpoint 94 00:08:25,215 --> 00:08:28,775 And asked him, what can you tell us about this situation? 95 00:08:28,793 --> 00:08:30,510 Do you know who did this? 96 00:09:31,764 --> 00:09:33,189 - Mr. Lamb said that they didn't have 97 00:09:33,283 --> 00:09:35,358 A functioning cell phone 98 00:09:35,510 --> 00:09:40,288 So his first thought was to run to a local gas station, 99 00:09:40,865 --> 00:09:42,624 Which is quite a distance away. 100 00:09:42,775 --> 00:09:45,960 Probably half a mile or three quarters of a mile 101 00:09:46,112 --> 00:09:49,538 From where the apartment was to utilize the phone. 102 00:09:49,633 --> 00:09:53,784 I guess common sense tells me that if you have somebody 103 00:09:53,803 --> 00:09:56,286 That has a pair of scissors sticking out of their stomach 104 00:09:56,306 --> 00:09:58,473 And has an injury to the back of the head, 105 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:01,033 Why didn't you go to a neighbors immediately 106 00:10:01,127 --> 00:10:03,269 And ask to use the phone to call 9-1-1? 107 00:10:18,386 --> 00:10:20,903 - Lamb's accounting of what took place, 108 00:10:21,055 --> 00:10:23,647 There were a lot of strange occurrences. 109 00:10:23,667 --> 00:10:26,058 Why would you be calling your parents 110 00:10:26,152 --> 00:10:28,986 In an emergent situation when you describe that, 111 00:10:29,005 --> 00:10:32,131 You know, he's got blood gushing out of his stomach. 112 00:10:33,009 --> 00:10:35,468 (tense music) 113 00:10:41,426 --> 00:10:45,520 The process of an interview is a chess match. 114 00:10:45,747 --> 00:10:49,840 And, you know, you can't make one sweeping movement 115 00:10:49,859 --> 00:10:53,102 And expect to resolve the whole situation. 116 00:10:53,196 --> 00:10:57,865 I have a role to play and I let them tell their story. 117 00:11:02,947 --> 00:11:04,163 - Mm hmm. 118 00:11:42,061 --> 00:11:43,970 - There was some disparity in statements 119 00:11:43,988 --> 00:11:45,654 That mr. Lamb had made. 120 00:11:45,807 --> 00:11:48,899 He had disclosed to the 9-1-1 dispatcher 121 00:11:48,918 --> 00:11:51,919 That he helped mr. Nixon into the bathtub. 122 00:11:57,485 --> 00:11:59,151 - [jim] and then later on in the interview with me, 123 00:11:59,170 --> 00:12:01,578 He said when he returned from the gas station, 124 00:12:01,598 --> 00:12:03,431 Mr. Nixon was already in the tub. 125 00:12:10,256 --> 00:12:11,606 - So there were a number of things there 126 00:12:11,833 --> 00:12:14,500 That led me to believe that mr. Lamb 127 00:12:14,593 --> 00:12:16,519 Was being less than credible. 128 00:12:16,671 --> 00:12:18,112 I think he was accustomed 129 00:12:18,339 --> 00:12:21,340 To trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, 130 00:12:21,433 --> 00:12:23,117 But that wasn't gonna happen with us. 131 00:12:24,436 --> 00:12:26,454 (ryan sobbing) 132 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:31,867 - [reporter good evening, we begin tonight in kalispell 133 00:12:31,961 --> 00:12:33,202 Where one man is dead 134 00:12:33,354 --> 00:12:35,612 After an apparent stabbing early this morning, 135 00:12:35,632 --> 00:12:37,706 The victim's name is not being released at this time 136 00:12:37,859 --> 00:12:39,300 Pending family notification. 137 00:12:41,638 --> 00:12:46,432 - On August 5th, 2018 I got a phone call from my mom. 138 00:12:48,052 --> 00:12:48,976 She was crying. 139 00:12:50,054 --> 00:12:50,812 She's like, 140 00:12:53,391 --> 00:12:57,634 Ryan was hurt badly but the paramedics were working on him. 141 00:12:57,654 --> 00:12:59,153 That there was blood everywhere. 142 00:13:01,716 --> 00:13:03,658 The minute I hung up the phone with my mom, 143 00:13:06,721 --> 00:13:10,406 I knew in my soul, I knew my brother was dead. 144 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:12,834 (tense music) 145 00:13:49,539 --> 00:13:51,998 (tense music) 146 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,875 - Mr. Lamb was claiming it was somebody else 147 00:14:11,969 --> 00:14:13,060 That had done this. 148 00:14:13,212 --> 00:14:15,971 He disclosed to one of the patrol officers 149 00:14:16,124 --> 00:14:20,626 That he had seen or there was some information 150 00:14:20,645 --> 00:14:25,464 Regarding nixon's prior partner, david de larosa, 151 00:14:25,483 --> 00:14:28,242 May have perpetrated the assault on mr. Nixon. 152 00:14:58,274 --> 00:15:01,425 - [jim] there was some disparity in statements 153 00:15:01,444 --> 00:15:03,235 That mr. Lamb had made at the scene. 154 00:15:07,692 --> 00:15:10,025 - Stating he saw david de larosa do it 155 00:15:10,178 --> 00:15:12,361 Or david de larosa was there. 156 00:15:12,455 --> 00:15:15,790 He was refuting that once he was in the booking area. 157 00:15:16,017 --> 00:15:19,443 It caused some consternation with mr. Lamb. 158 00:15:19,462 --> 00:15:22,112 So I wanted to back away from that, 159 00:15:22,131 --> 00:15:24,114 Because from an interview standpoint 160 00:15:24,208 --> 00:15:28,803 It can be hugely detrimental if you start accusing somebody. 161 00:15:48,307 --> 00:15:52,326 - He was very animated with the hand slapping, 162 00:15:52,478 --> 00:15:54,978 Like he was trying to make a point 163 00:15:54,998 --> 00:15:57,814 And methodically going through the steps 164 00:15:57,834 --> 00:15:59,667 Of what he was talking about. 165 00:16:21,249 --> 00:16:24,525 - His reaction and the way he was speaking and stuff changed 166 00:16:24,752 --> 00:16:28,754 When I brought up the idea of collecting the blood. 167 00:16:28,847 --> 00:16:30,773 His elbows are on his knees there, 168 00:16:30,925 --> 00:16:33,350 He's a little more hunched over, 169 00:16:33,369 --> 00:16:35,352 He's way more subdued. 170 00:16:35,371 --> 00:16:39,615 I would say that it was a moment of recognition for him. 171 00:16:39,767 --> 00:16:41,283 He probably realized 172 00:16:41,435 --> 00:16:46,047 That we weren't just gonna go with it and accept his story. 173 00:17:04,049 --> 00:17:06,400 (tense music) 174 00:17:14,243 --> 00:17:17,653 - We learned that david was actually at his residence 175 00:17:17,747 --> 00:17:20,139 90 miles from kalispell. 176 00:17:20,232 --> 00:17:22,249 So based on the time and distance 177 00:17:22,401 --> 00:17:24,752 That excluded david as a suspect. 178 00:17:26,923 --> 00:17:29,381 (tense music) 179 00:17:45,683 --> 00:17:49,092 - When I watched lamb down in our booking area, 180 00:17:49,112 --> 00:17:53,781 I guess what I thought was it was somewhat theatrical. 181 00:18:03,442 --> 00:18:06,627 - [jim] you have to rely on sometimes instincts, 182 00:18:06,854 --> 00:18:10,464 Sometimes training, life experience. 183 00:18:10,616 --> 00:18:13,783 It was apparent to me that he was accustomed to 184 00:18:13,803 --> 00:18:17,138 Using theatrics to manipulate people. 185 00:18:22,386 --> 00:18:25,312 - I have to say this about mr. Lamb, he's a damn good actor. 186 00:18:32,804 --> 00:18:34,471 (tense music) 187 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:35,714 - The man who has stabbed to death 188 00:18:35,807 --> 00:18:37,825 In a kalispell apartment complex over the weekend 189 00:18:37,976 --> 00:18:38,659 Has been identified. 190 00:18:40,812 --> 00:18:42,496 - It seems like it was still yesterday. 191 00:18:43,499 --> 00:18:44,665 I just wish he was here. 192 00:18:47,077 --> 00:18:49,003 I miss hearing him laugh in my house. 193 00:18:50,731 --> 00:18:51,338 Hmm. 194 00:18:53,176 --> 00:18:54,175 I just miss him. 195 00:18:55,419 --> 00:18:57,678 Randy has some of ryan around his neck. 196 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,242 Here, in this right here, some of his ashes. 197 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:05,186 I have one, I carry it in my purse. 198 00:19:07,097 --> 00:19:09,081 I didn't get to say goodbye 199 00:19:09,099 --> 00:19:11,934 And that's probably one of the hardest things, 200 00:19:12,086 --> 00:19:14,653 Is not being able to say goodbye. 201 00:19:18,868 --> 00:19:21,202 (tense music) 202 00:19:45,394 --> 00:19:47,119 - At least one of the patrol officers 203 00:19:47,137 --> 00:19:49,955 That had interaction with lamb and myself 204 00:19:50,048 --> 00:19:51,548 Recognized that there were some marks 205 00:19:51,642 --> 00:19:53,734 On his chest and abdomen. 206 00:19:53,885 --> 00:19:56,737 The marks to me looked like a four pronged fork. 207 00:19:58,574 --> 00:20:01,742 I believe one of the patrol officers asked him about that 208 00:20:01,969 --> 00:20:05,395 And initially he said, it's not relevant. 209 00:20:05,414 --> 00:20:06,705 He said, it's a rash. 210 00:20:09,901 --> 00:20:10,492 - There were a couple of 211 00:20:10,644 --> 00:20:12,902 'em that had fresh blood 212 00:20:12,922 --> 00:20:15,647 As a result of the poke marks, 213 00:20:15,666 --> 00:20:18,241 Which told me that they were fairly recent. 214 00:20:18,261 --> 00:20:22,078 So it was not normal, in my opinion, 215 00:20:22,172 --> 00:20:23,764 And I wanted to know why. 216 00:20:58,134 --> 00:21:00,784 - He divulged additional information 217 00:21:00,803 --> 00:21:02,361 Regarding sexual acts 218 00:21:02,454 --> 00:21:04,638 That he and mr. Nixon had engaged in. 219 00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:07,808 I suspect it was because 220 00:21:09,478 --> 00:21:12,128 He thought maybe it would take me off guard and shock me 221 00:21:12,148 --> 00:21:14,373 And then I would switch gears 222 00:21:14,391 --> 00:21:17,318 And not talk about that subject any further. 223 00:21:17,469 --> 00:21:19,394 So I conveyed to mr. Lamb, 224 00:21:19,547 --> 00:21:20,712 This isn't the first time 225 00:21:20,731 --> 00:21:23,657 That I've heard about these types of things. 226 00:21:49,518 --> 00:21:52,686 My goal in sharing the story about the other couple 227 00:21:52,838 --> 00:21:55,356 Was to, I guess, explain to mr. Lamb 228 00:21:55,507 --> 00:21:59,342 That whatever he chose to share with me, 229 00:21:59,362 --> 00:22:01,920 I wasn't gonna judge him for it. 230 00:22:01,939 --> 00:22:04,681 And also maybe to set the stage a little bit 231 00:22:04,700 --> 00:22:07,368 That in the event that 232 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:10,520 This was a terrible horrific accident, 233 00:22:10,614 --> 00:22:12,264 (camera shutter clicking) 234 00:22:12,357 --> 00:22:14,616 That he would feel more comfortable 235 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:16,210 Telling me about that. 236 00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:03,482 - I could tell immediately he got confrontational 237 00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:07,319 And said it was crazy and how could I say that? 238 00:23:07,337 --> 00:23:10,413 So I backed off at that point with that, 239 00:23:10,433 --> 00:23:13,825 Because those are the critical moments during an interview 240 00:23:13,844 --> 00:23:15,844 Where you can lose somebody, 241 00:23:15,996 --> 00:23:18,680 They can completely shut down and tell you, 242 00:23:18,832 --> 00:23:21,108 Buzz off, I'm not talking to you any further. 243 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:24,611 (tense music) 244 00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:39,609 One of the neighbors upstairs to nixon's apartment 245 00:23:39,628 --> 00:23:42,704 Told me that she heard two people arguing. 246 00:23:42,798 --> 00:23:46,541 One of the voices said, you stabbed me in the chest. 247 00:23:46,694 --> 00:23:49,970 The other voice said, well, you stabbed me with a fork. 248 00:23:51,474 --> 00:23:54,308 Obviously that was significant to me 249 00:23:54,459 --> 00:23:58,704 Because lamb had fork marks on his chest and abdomen 250 00:23:58,797 --> 00:24:00,630 And nixon had been stabbed in the chest 251 00:24:00,649 --> 00:24:01,648 With a pair of scissors. 252 00:24:03,894 --> 00:24:06,820 Learning that information as well as other things 253 00:24:06,972 --> 00:24:08,989 That I had gleaned from the interview, 254 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,234 I was fairly confident that lamb had played a role 255 00:24:12,328 --> 00:24:14,328 In mr. Nixon's death. 256 00:24:14,479 --> 00:24:16,663 (tense music) 257 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,295 (tense music) 258 00:24:37,186 --> 00:24:39,520 (tense music) 259 00:25:19,953 --> 00:25:23,046 Obviously he had fork marks on his chest. 260 00:25:23,065 --> 00:25:26,124 To me this is a huge, huge moment, 261 00:25:26,217 --> 00:25:28,735 Just to see what his reaction is 262 00:25:28,887 --> 00:25:33,574 And what he's gonna offer as a possible explanation to it. 263 00:26:23,942 --> 00:26:25,292 (tense music) 264 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,133 (tense music) 265 00:27:14,993 --> 00:27:18,069 - I think that mr. Lamb's reaction, 266 00:27:18,088 --> 00:27:20,514 He was legitimately shocked. 267 00:27:20,741 --> 00:27:22,741 I think that he thought he could throw up 268 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,519 Some smoke and mirrors and he'd be walking out of 269 00:27:25,746 --> 00:27:28,596 The back door of the police department that day, 270 00:27:28,749 --> 00:27:30,190 And that didn't happen. 271 00:27:33,678 --> 00:27:37,513 He was just continually pacing and to me it seemed as if 272 00:27:37,533 --> 00:27:41,443 He was kinda calculating a response 273 00:27:41,595 --> 00:27:46,097 And trying to figure out what he could tell me 274 00:27:46,116 --> 00:27:49,209 That would minimize the consequence for him. 275 00:28:14,052 --> 00:28:16,403 (tense music) 276 00:28:58,005 --> 00:29:01,506 At that point, I've paired myself with lamb. 277 00:29:01,525 --> 00:29:04,859 When I told him, if you trust me, 278 00:29:05,012 --> 00:29:06,678 I want you to tell me what happened 279 00:29:06,696 --> 00:29:09,514 And we will work through it. 280 00:29:09,533 --> 00:29:12,367 So that way it's not adversarial, 281 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:14,610 I'm not against him, 282 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:18,465 We're on the same side, and the same side is about truth. 283 00:29:55,838 --> 00:29:59,747 - At this point I felt we were moving towards a confession. 284 00:29:59,900 --> 00:30:02,158 It's just, how much is he gonna divulge to me 285 00:30:02,177 --> 00:30:04,419 And when is that gonna happen? 286 00:30:04,513 --> 00:30:06,638 (tense music) 287 00:30:10,835 --> 00:30:12,185 (tense music) 288 00:30:30,038 --> 00:30:32,372 (tense music) 289 00:30:46,871 --> 00:30:49,705 - Ryan lamb is walking back and forth, back and forth, 290 00:30:49,725 --> 00:30:51,966 Pacing back and forth. 291 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:56,062 Many police officers would demand that he sit down. 292 00:30:56,214 --> 00:30:57,622 It's a safety concern, 293 00:30:57,641 --> 00:30:59,457 I don't want you pacing back and forth, 294 00:30:59,550 --> 00:31:02,218 You're making me nervous, sit down. 295 00:31:02,237 --> 00:31:06,907 And what would happen is he'd shut down, he wouldn't talk. 296 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,426 I think that he's using this timeframe 297 00:31:26,577 --> 00:31:28,911 To kind of calculate his next move 298 00:31:28,931 --> 00:31:33,174 And to try and figure out what can I tell the officer, 299 00:31:33,326 --> 00:31:36,102 Whether it's semi factual, factual, 300 00:31:36,254 --> 00:31:38,271 Or completely contrived, 301 00:31:38,423 --> 00:31:40,774 To get myself out of this situation. 302 00:32:35,163 --> 00:32:38,556 - As the interview ebbed and flowed, 303 00:32:38,575 --> 00:32:42,243 It's not uncommon for people who've committed crimes 304 00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:46,989 To try and distance themselves from the scenario. 305 00:32:47,009 --> 00:32:49,676 Even when it gets to a point where 306 00:32:49,903 --> 00:32:52,679 There's no refuting that they were involved, 307 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:55,682 They'll try and minimize their involvement in it 308 00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:59,352 Or offer a varying shade of what took place. 309 00:33:11,441 --> 00:33:12,607 He's trying to mitigate 310 00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:15,368 What the consequences are gonna be for him. 311 00:33:15,595 --> 00:33:17,762 Obviously from an investigative standpoint, 312 00:33:17,781 --> 00:33:19,430 I want the truth. 313 00:33:19,449 --> 00:33:22,375 Don't float theories to me, 314 00:33:22,527 --> 00:33:26,529 Either you're gonna tell me the truth or we're done. 315 00:33:26,623 --> 00:33:28,773 I'll glean my information 316 00:33:28,792 --> 00:33:31,384 From other aspects of the investigation. 317 00:34:20,102 --> 00:34:24,829 - The violent sex scenario was there, it was an option. 318 00:34:24,848 --> 00:34:28,666 I wanted to know specifically how it took place, 319 00:34:28,759 --> 00:34:30,610 You know, fill in the gaps for me. 320 00:34:52,968 --> 00:34:54,968 - I just wanted him to keep talking. 321 00:34:55,195 --> 00:34:57,303 Every exchange there was a little bit more 322 00:34:57,455 --> 00:34:58,954 And a little bit more. 323 00:34:58,974 --> 00:35:03,810 I think that mentally, he was just preparing himself for it. 324 00:35:05,296 --> 00:35:07,630 Psychologically he had to overcome 325 00:35:07,649 --> 00:35:09,649 Whatever hurdles he had in his mind. 326 00:35:18,809 --> 00:35:20,994 (tense music) 327 00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:43,808 (tense music) 328 00:36:25,618 --> 00:36:30,304 - Mr. Lamb is just throwing me little bits, little bits. 329 00:36:30,457 --> 00:36:31,789 Is that enough, jim? 330 00:36:31,808 --> 00:36:33,733 Do I need to give you some more to get you to buy in? 331 00:36:33,884 --> 00:36:35,735 Is that enough, jim? 332 00:36:35,962 --> 00:36:38,646 Did I get off the deliberate homicide hook? 333 00:36:38,798 --> 00:36:40,740 So I knew I had more work to do. 334 00:38:05,218 --> 00:38:07,976 - When he confessed to killing mr. Nixon, 335 00:38:07,996 --> 00:38:10,163 It was somewhat of a relief for him. 336 00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:53,373 The confession is one of the few times 337 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,267 That I'm seeing some true emotion from him, 338 00:38:56,285 --> 00:38:58,786 That it's not orchestrated. 339 00:38:58,938 --> 00:39:02,106 Mr. Lamb admits that he lied. 340 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,125 And the reason he lied is because 341 00:39:04,277 --> 00:39:06,386 He was fearful of the consequences. 342 00:39:15,972 --> 00:39:19,140 - Mr. Lamb used the scissors on nixon 343 00:39:19,292 --> 00:39:23,218 And he said he didn't intend to harm him as bad as he did 344 00:39:23,312 --> 00:39:24,695 Or certainly not kill him. 345 00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:27,890 Based on the information I had learned 346 00:39:27,984 --> 00:39:29,409 Through the investigation, 347 00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:32,561 Had ryan lamb called for help sooner there was a possibility 348 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:35,081 That ryan nixon could have been saved. 349 00:39:37,143 --> 00:39:40,086 (handcuffs clicking) 350 00:39:47,095 --> 00:39:49,429 (tense music) 351 00:39:54,418 --> 00:39:58,420 The autopsy revealed that there was a fractured rib. 352 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,332 The sternum was fractured also 353 00:40:01,350 --> 00:40:04,110 And then internal organs were damaged, 354 00:40:04,261 --> 00:40:06,279 Causing mr. Nixon to bleed to death. 355 00:40:08,357 --> 00:40:11,509 The prosecutor felt that that warranted deliberate homicide 356 00:40:11,527 --> 00:40:14,528 Because the level of force that was used. 357 00:40:14,622 --> 00:40:17,081 (tense music) 358 00:40:27,193 --> 00:40:30,878 Lamb and his defense attorney's claimed at trial 359 00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:33,789 Is that it was a domestic violence situation 360 00:40:33,808 --> 00:40:37,768 Where nixon attacked lamb with the fork 361 00:40:39,463 --> 00:40:42,148 And lamb was defending himself with the pair of scissors. 362 00:40:42,299 --> 00:40:44,650 (tense music) 363 00:40:49,991 --> 00:40:52,158 - At that point our hearts had dropped 364 00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:54,902 Because we thought that it was gonna be over that day. 365 00:40:54,996 --> 00:40:57,980 We were done, we could have that sigh of relief. 366 00:40:57,999 --> 00:41:00,983 Okay, we can move forward, we can heal. 367 00:41:01,002 --> 00:41:04,504 We can, you know, have some sort of peace. 368 00:41:06,657 --> 00:41:08,415 We didn't get that. 369 00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:10,843 (tense music) 370 00:41:20,096 --> 00:41:24,265 - Lamb took an alford plea and what that means is 371 00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:29,153 Lamb wasn't owning up to any culpability in this situation, 372 00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:32,848 But felt that if the case were tried again 373 00:41:32,867 --> 00:41:35,368 That he would likely be found guilty. 374 00:41:37,688 --> 00:41:40,706 It's never as clear cut or obvious 375 00:41:40,858 --> 00:41:43,376 As people think with a confession, 376 00:41:43,527 --> 00:41:46,771 But I'm happy with the job that we did. 377 00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:50,274 I feel satisfied with our investigation in this case, 378 00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:53,535 And I don't wanna sound arrogant or boastful, 379 00:41:53,555 --> 00:41:56,556 But I would challenge any other investigator to do more. 380 00:41:58,059 --> 00:42:00,393 (tense music) 381 00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:10,236 - I did speak at the sentencing 382 00:42:11,722 --> 00:42:14,648 And I spoke directly to ryan lamb. 383 00:42:14,801 --> 00:42:17,392 I made eye contact with him the whole time. 384 00:42:17,486 --> 00:42:22,206 I wanted him to feel my hurt, to feel my family's hurt. 385 00:42:23,976 --> 00:42:28,087 I wanted him to know that he took our light away from us. 386 00:42:31,909 --> 00:42:34,927 - [randy] I think it was a relationship of power 387 00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,579 And lamb was a controller. 388 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,432 - We seen the signs and we tried to help, 389 00:42:39,583 --> 00:42:40,766 But we didn't help enough. 390 00:42:43,329 --> 00:42:45,512 - And I knew it was gonna happen. 391 00:42:45,665 --> 00:42:47,565 And I told my son when I seen him last time, 392 00:42:49,001 --> 00:42:49,942 I said, I'm gonna bury you. 393 00:42:54,023 --> 00:42:55,615 If you don't come home. 394 00:42:59,269 --> 00:42:59,952 And I did.