1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:03,627 (eerie music) 2 00:00:06,507 --> 00:00:09,082 - [narrator] an elderly woman killed in her own home. 3 00:00:09,235 --> 00:00:11,493 (ominous music) (camera shutter clicking) 4 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:14,571 The case, unsolved for decades 5 00:00:14,664 --> 00:00:17,016 Until new evidence points to a suspect. 6 00:00:21,096 --> 00:00:22,003 - [narrator] but first, 7 00:00:22,023 --> 00:00:23,856 A woman beloved in her community 8 00:00:24,083 --> 00:00:26,007 Is found murdered in her living room. 9 00:00:26,101 --> 00:00:27,768 (ominous music) 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,361 - [officer] step out now! 11 00:00:29,588 --> 00:00:32,531 - [narrator] investigators searching for answers. 12 00:00:32,682 --> 00:00:35,367 - Homicide? Like someone died in it? 13 00:00:35,594 --> 00:00:37,261 - [narrator] in the interrogation room. 14 00:00:37,279 --> 00:00:38,370 - Murder! 15 00:00:38,522 --> 00:00:39,930 - (beep) you! 16 00:00:39,948 --> 00:00:42,458 (ominous music) 17 00:00:48,274 --> 00:00:50,365 - [narrator] every suspect accused of a crime 18 00:00:50,459 --> 00:00:52,276 Has the right to remain silent. 19 00:00:52,369 --> 00:00:55,128 Many agree to be interrogated anyway. 20 00:00:55,281 --> 00:00:58,039 But they can stop the interview at any moment, 21 00:00:58,059 --> 00:01:00,142 Making it a race against time. 22 00:01:02,063 --> 00:01:06,815 Justice hangs in the balance. (suspenseful music) 23 00:01:16,485 --> 00:01:18,327 (phone ringing) 24 00:01:41,994 --> 00:01:46,605 (siren wailing) (suspenseful music) 25 00:01:54,189 --> 00:01:56,698 (ominous music) 26 00:01:58,677 --> 00:02:02,012 - We located the victim in her living room. 27 00:02:02,105 --> 00:02:04,957 She was lying on her couch, face up, 28 00:02:05,184 --> 00:02:07,626 And appeared to be wearing a night robe. 29 00:02:10,297 --> 00:02:13,615 She was laying in an odd position. 30 00:02:13,634 --> 00:02:16,051 It appeared that a struggle had taken place. 31 00:02:17,713 --> 00:02:18,879 - There were several things at the scene 32 00:02:19,031 --> 00:02:20,213 That weren't adding up. 33 00:02:20,366 --> 00:02:22,975 Most of the house was neat and in order, 34 00:02:23,126 --> 00:02:25,435 Except for the room where the victim was found. 35 00:02:27,206 --> 00:02:30,207 The robe sash did appear to be in an odd place. 36 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:32,893 It was lying on the floor near patricia's hand. 37 00:02:33,045 --> 00:02:34,211 Not around the robe, 38 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:37,230 Like you would typically see a robe worn. 39 00:02:37,383 --> 00:02:39,383 The victim's vehicle was missing. 40 00:02:39,401 --> 00:02:40,808 According to the neighbors, 41 00:02:40,828 --> 00:02:42,661 Nobody would've had permission to take the vehicle. 42 00:02:42,888 --> 00:02:44,237 Another thing missing from the house 43 00:02:44,331 --> 00:02:47,224 Was a television set from the second floor. 44 00:02:47,317 --> 00:02:49,075 The fact that there were no signs of forced entry, 45 00:02:49,170 --> 00:02:51,578 We did have a theory that this might be somebody 46 00:02:51,672 --> 00:02:53,397 The victim would've had known 47 00:02:53,415 --> 00:02:54,748 And had access to the house. 48 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:56,175 We're photographing. 49 00:02:56,326 --> 00:02:57,567 We're looking for physical evidence. 50 00:02:57,586 --> 00:02:59,327 (ominous music) 51 00:02:59,346 --> 00:03:01,087 Every little detail can make a difference 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:02,306 In a case like this. 53 00:03:06,078 --> 00:03:09,170 - Patty was a adventurer. 54 00:03:09,264 --> 00:03:12,082 She had a thirst for knowledge. 55 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:14,175 She loved travel. 56 00:03:14,269 --> 00:03:17,087 And she had a wicked sense of humor. 57 00:03:17,180 --> 00:03:21,867 She enjoyed outdoors, gardening, her flowers, 58 00:03:23,353 --> 00:03:25,762 And really just being there for other people. 59 00:03:25,781 --> 00:03:29,449 She was divorced and she had two sons. 60 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:33,787 She loved her boys and she was very close to them. 61 00:03:33,881 --> 00:03:37,958 She had done a lot of philanthropy type work. 62 00:03:38,052 --> 00:03:40,368 If you were in need of anything, 63 00:03:40,462 --> 00:03:42,870 She would be there to help you. 64 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:47,392 A friend called me and told me she's gone. 65 00:03:47,619 --> 00:03:49,286 She's dead. 66 00:03:49,304 --> 00:03:51,188 And I just, I broke down. 67 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:53,398 It was gut wrenching. 68 00:03:55,978 --> 00:03:58,403 (ominous music) 69 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:09,397 - When I spoke to daniel dresser, 70 00:04:09,416 --> 00:04:11,583 He told us that there had been a break in 71 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:14,068 And the person that patricia suspected committed 72 00:04:14,088 --> 00:04:16,646 The break in was spencer spielman. 73 00:04:16,740 --> 00:04:19,332 Spencer had been a friend of patricia's other son, 74 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:21,818 Nick dresser, for quite a while. 75 00:04:21,911 --> 00:04:24,930 And daniel dresser told us that spencer 76 00:04:25,157 --> 00:04:28,082 Had approached patricia asking for money. 77 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:30,343 So patricia would give spencer money 78 00:04:30,496 --> 00:04:32,662 For helping out around the house, 79 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:33,921 Helping with the yard work. 80 00:04:33,941 --> 00:04:36,257 And patricia had given him the garage code 81 00:04:36,351 --> 00:04:37,334 To get in the house. 82 00:04:37,352 --> 00:04:38,502 (ominous music) 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,261 - She started noticing things missing 84 00:04:40,856 --> 00:04:43,198 And she started getting a really weird feeling. 85 00:04:45,193 --> 00:04:47,786 (ominous music) 86 00:04:50,365 --> 00:04:52,440 - Wednesday prior to her death, 87 00:04:52,459 --> 00:04:55,185 She said, you know, spencer keeps bugging me 88 00:04:55,278 --> 00:04:58,855 About wanting nick's really nice watch. 89 00:04:58,874 --> 00:05:01,449 She said, I've really hid it in a great place. 90 00:05:01,543 --> 00:05:03,635 He'll never find it. 91 00:05:03,787 --> 00:05:07,697 Patty told me about spencer stealing a few things 92 00:05:07,791 --> 00:05:09,382 When she wasn't home. (ominous music) 93 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:12,644 And she thought he was looking for that watch. 94 00:05:13,630 --> 00:05:16,064 So she started texting him 95 00:05:19,153 --> 00:05:22,637 And she was pretty mad about it. 96 00:05:22,656 --> 00:05:25,565 She also was texting her son, daniel, 97 00:05:25,659 --> 00:05:27,642 About what was going on. 98 00:05:27,661 --> 00:05:31,663 And one of her texts was I'm feeling a little scared. 99 00:05:36,411 --> 00:05:38,962 (ominous music) 100 00:05:48,073 --> 00:05:49,255 - The autopsy showed 101 00:05:49,350 --> 00:05:51,241 That the cause of death was strangulation. 102 00:05:51,259 --> 00:05:52,834 (ominous music) 103 00:05:52,928 --> 00:05:56,355 - The item used for the strangulation was, in fact, 104 00:05:56,582 --> 00:06:00,675 The robe sash that was laying by patricia's hand. 105 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:02,944 So it was confirmed that this was a homicide. 106 00:06:05,366 --> 00:06:07,032 We were keeping all options open 107 00:06:07,183 --> 00:06:11,261 To any possibility of involvement with anybody. 108 00:06:11,354 --> 00:06:13,372 But at this point in the investigation, 109 00:06:13,599 --> 00:06:16,190 We were looking pretty hard for spencer spielman. 110 00:06:16,284 --> 00:06:18,794 (ominous music) 111 00:06:21,957 --> 00:06:23,840 (phone ringing) 112 00:06:39,716 --> 00:06:44,403 (suspenseful music) (sirens wailing) 113 00:07:13,934 --> 00:07:15,508 - Ultimately, spencer spielman 114 00:07:15,661 --> 00:07:17,602 Was identified as the driver of the vehicle. 115 00:07:19,273 --> 00:07:23,090 The second occupant was identified as brandon humphries. 116 00:07:23,185 --> 00:07:25,694 (ominous music) 117 00:07:35,438 --> 00:07:38,014 - Anytime we have more than one person, 118 00:07:38,107 --> 00:07:39,774 We separate 'em so they can't talk 119 00:07:39,868 --> 00:07:41,126 And work their stories out. 120 00:07:43,112 --> 00:07:45,371 - I decided to interview brandon humphries first 121 00:07:45,466 --> 00:07:49,426 To see what he knew about spencer in the past 48 hours. 122 00:08:04,543 --> 00:08:05,400 - Mm hmm. 123 00:08:24,671 --> 00:08:26,246 - When he gave the information 124 00:08:26,398 --> 00:08:29,674 About the car belonging to spencer's mom, 125 00:08:29,901 --> 00:08:31,009 That was a red flag. 126 00:08:31,236 --> 00:08:32,761 We obviously knew this wasn't true. 127 00:08:57,612 --> 00:08:59,779 - He's starting to get nervous. 128 00:08:59,873 --> 00:09:02,766 His right knee is starting to bounce a little bit. 129 00:09:02,859 --> 00:09:04,501 He's not sure what's coming next. 130 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:13,510 (clock ticking) (suspenseful music) 131 00:09:33,648 --> 00:09:34,155 - Mm hmm. 132 00:10:29,871 --> 00:10:31,463 (ominous music) 133 00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:40,287 - [officer] I'm gonna have you stand against this wall. 134 00:10:40,307 --> 00:10:42,766 (tense music) 135 00:10:59,901 --> 00:11:02,735 - Just sit (indistinct). - Yeah, you can sit down, man. 136 00:11:02,888 --> 00:11:05,121 (indistinct) 137 00:11:07,483 --> 00:11:09,668 (tense music) 138 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:41,182 And all that. 139 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:45,328 - First impression of spencer is he's just nonchalant. 140 00:11:46,281 --> 00:11:47,447 No respect for anybody. 141 00:11:47,599 --> 00:11:49,374 He didn't have a care in the world. 142 00:11:49,525 --> 00:11:51,835 (tense music) 143 00:12:45,599 --> 00:12:47,599 - We had already talked to the neighbors 144 00:12:47,826 --> 00:12:50,676 And looked at the surveillance video. 145 00:12:50,829 --> 00:12:52,604 - We knew there was no other cars there. 146 00:12:52,755 --> 00:12:53,921 There was no john. 147 00:12:54,015 --> 00:12:54,998 No white expedition. 148 00:12:55,016 --> 00:12:55,732 No nothing. 149 00:13:08,863 --> 00:13:11,414 (ominous music) 150 00:13:31,703 --> 00:13:33,719 - Spencer told us that he wasn't able 151 00:13:33,872 --> 00:13:35,054 To get ahold of patricia. 152 00:13:35,206 --> 00:13:36,981 So he decided to go ahead 153 00:13:37,208 --> 00:13:39,275 And keep the vehicle at that point. 154 00:14:08,073 --> 00:14:10,740 - At this point, we already had video of spencer 155 00:14:10,758 --> 00:14:13,076 And brandon pawning a tv. 156 00:14:13,094 --> 00:14:15,428 (ominous music) 157 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:18,081 So we knew that he was lying about that. 158 00:14:18,099 --> 00:14:20,650 (ominous music) 159 00:14:37,619 --> 00:14:39,936 - We wanted spencer to know 160 00:14:40,029 --> 00:14:41,938 That we know what happened. 161 00:14:41,956 --> 00:14:43,197 And sometimes a suspect 162 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:46,217 Will feel the inclination to confess. 163 00:15:17,325 --> 00:15:19,158 - The moment that he admitted that he took the tv 164 00:15:19,252 --> 00:15:21,544 From the house definitely felt like that was progress. 165 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:34,891 (ominous music) 166 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,125 (ominous music) 167 00:16:20,705 --> 00:16:22,814 - The more that we start to challenge him, 168 00:16:22,965 --> 00:16:24,707 We call out his lies. 169 00:16:24,726 --> 00:16:26,225 The more closed postured, 170 00:16:26,377 --> 00:16:28,319 The more kinda standoffish he gets with us, 171 00:16:28,546 --> 00:16:31,305 The more argumentative he gets with us. 172 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:33,324 (clock ticking) (suspenseful music) 173 00:16:51,827 --> 00:16:53,177 - I was trying to get him agitated. 174 00:16:53,329 --> 00:16:55,254 Sometimes when you get somebody mad, 175 00:16:55,406 --> 00:16:56,906 You know, you get a different reaction. 176 00:16:56,924 --> 00:16:59,091 Go here, go there, go for the throat. 177 00:16:59,185 --> 00:17:01,144 (ominous music) 178 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:37,797 - Everybody was frustrated at that point. 179 00:17:37,891 --> 00:17:41,133 And so sometimes you have to do an attention getter. 180 00:17:41,286 --> 00:17:42,727 Time to do it or... 181 00:17:42,878 --> 00:17:43,786 The hail mary, you know? 182 00:17:43,879 --> 00:17:45,730 Let's throw the ball or go home. 183 00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:12,924 (ominous music) 184 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,063 (ominous music) 185 00:18:35,523 --> 00:18:38,407 (suspenseful music) 186 00:18:50,946 --> 00:18:52,463 - We were getting nowhere. 187 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:55,358 So we gotta try something different here. 188 00:18:55,376 --> 00:18:57,860 So with spencer, I said, okay, let's just go back. 189 00:18:57,953 --> 00:18:59,528 Walk me through it one more time 190 00:18:59,622 --> 00:19:00,972 And just see where it goes. 191 00:20:17,217 --> 00:20:19,383 - So now he's put himself in the house. 192 00:20:19,610 --> 00:20:21,794 He's put himself in contact with her. 193 00:20:21,946 --> 00:20:24,613 He's slowly surrendering to us. 194 00:20:24,632 --> 00:20:26,557 We just got that little bit more to go. 195 00:20:53,661 --> 00:20:54,919 Mm hmm. 196 00:21:10,252 --> 00:21:11,918 - We know he's not being truthful. 197 00:21:12,013 --> 00:21:14,497 That's when we start throwing little bits of information 198 00:21:14,515 --> 00:21:15,756 To get his mind thinking, 199 00:21:15,775 --> 00:21:17,591 Okay, they know a little bit. 200 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:18,901 How much do they know? 201 00:21:48,699 --> 00:21:49,974 Everybody's just exhausted. 202 00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:58,316 So we were getting ready to have a little break. 203 00:22:02,805 --> 00:22:03,988 - I took spencer outside 204 00:22:04,139 --> 00:22:04,989 To go smoke a cigarette. 205 00:22:08,569 --> 00:22:09,643 It was all video recorded 206 00:22:09,737 --> 00:22:11,162 On body-worn camera 207 00:22:11,906 --> 00:22:12,404 To make sure there 208 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,332 Was nothing said 209 00:22:14,483 --> 00:22:16,667 Or no promises made or no coercion or anything like that. 210 00:22:22,008 --> 00:22:22,915 Got him outta the room 211 00:22:23,067 --> 00:22:25,234 For a minute for a reset. 212 00:22:25,327 --> 00:22:27,345 And once we walked out the door, 213 00:22:27,496 --> 00:22:29,254 We did not talk about this case at all. 214 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:32,308 (ominous music) 215 00:22:35,763 --> 00:22:39,582 He was kind of looking out into the darkness. 216 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,151 (ominous music) 217 00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:50,684 And I don't know if that 218 00:22:50,778 --> 00:22:52,018 Gave him an opportunity 219 00:22:52,113 --> 00:22:52,761 To see that we were 220 00:22:52,780 --> 00:22:54,330 Actually human. 221 00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,710 After the smoke break, 222 00:22:59,862 --> 00:23:00,836 We walk back in. 223 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:06,842 I put him in the chair and he looks at me and he says. 224 00:23:14,635 --> 00:23:17,186 (ominous music) 225 00:23:25,071 --> 00:23:26,862 (ominous music) 226 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:36,205 - I'm not sure why the smoke break had such an impact. 227 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:41,977 Maybe he just realized that it's done. 228 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:43,254 There ain't no way outta this. 229 00:23:44,982 --> 00:23:48,241 So I get mike and I'm like, hey, come on. 230 00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:50,653 He said he's ready to give it to us. 231 00:23:50,671 --> 00:23:54,223 And everybody's mouth just was open in awe. 232 00:24:27,633 --> 00:24:29,967 (ominous music) 233 00:24:30,118 --> 00:24:31,302 - I was shocked. 234 00:24:33,306 --> 00:24:34,697 - I was shocked. 235 00:24:35,032 --> 00:24:36,456 But after he ended up confessing, 236 00:24:36,550 --> 00:24:38,701 It was that relief 237 00:24:38,719 --> 00:24:40,202 That we did get the truth. 238 00:24:40,221 --> 00:24:42,813 (ominous music) 239 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,563 - The autopsy showed that it had been around twice 240 00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:52,823 Before it was tightened. 241 00:24:54,235 --> 00:24:56,660 So we wanted him to say that he did do that, 242 00:24:56,812 --> 00:24:58,996 Because only the person who put it there would know. 243 00:25:20,928 --> 00:25:22,353 (ominous music) 244 00:25:26,174 --> 00:25:28,150 - When he made the motion, he went, 245 00:25:30,846 --> 00:25:31,862 Which would be twice. 246 00:25:32,848 --> 00:25:34,532 And then he pulled it. 247 00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:37,276 And he said he recalled pulling it tight. 248 00:25:37,428 --> 00:25:38,869 And he said, after he did that, 249 00:25:39,021 --> 00:25:40,520 She fell on the couch and he left. 250 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:42,873 (ominous music) 251 00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:44,357 He said he came back the next morning, 252 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,211 About 7:00 o'clock to feed the dog 253 00:25:47,438 --> 00:25:49,621 And noticed she was still on the couch. 254 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:51,031 She was gray. 255 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:52,883 And he knew at that time it was too late. 256 00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:56,278 And instead of calling 911, he just left. 257 00:25:56,297 --> 00:25:58,889 (ominous music) 258 00:26:05,139 --> 00:26:08,290 This was the longest interview that I've ever sit on. 259 00:26:08,309 --> 00:26:11,718 So to get it was great. 260 00:26:11,812 --> 00:26:13,462 To get a confession. 261 00:26:13,555 --> 00:26:14,888 - 20-year-old spencer spielman 262 00:26:14,907 --> 00:26:17,057 Is accused of strangling patricia dresser. 263 00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:19,301 He faces charges of murder, robbery, 264 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,560 And driving while suspended. 265 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:23,305 (ominous music) 266 00:26:23,324 --> 00:26:25,732 (clock ticking) 267 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:28,252 (ominous music) 268 00:26:48,015 --> 00:26:51,442 - We were very satisfied with the way the outcome was. 269 00:26:51,593 --> 00:26:54,069 At the end of the day, we're speaking for patricia. 270 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,189 - You have to stay resilient 271 00:26:57,341 --> 00:27:01,009 And determined to find the truth. 272 00:27:01,028 --> 00:27:02,861 And in this case, 273 00:27:03,013 --> 00:27:06,865 We were able to provide justice to patricia 274 00:27:07,017 --> 00:27:08,292 And give her family answers. 275 00:27:10,463 --> 00:27:14,423 - Patty dresser was 52 when her life was taken away. 276 00:27:15,860 --> 00:27:17,951 I think about her every day. 277 00:27:18,045 --> 00:27:20,638 And I miss her every day. 278 00:27:23,476 --> 00:27:25,768 (ominous music) 279 00:27:36,046 --> 00:27:37,321 - Flora rundle was a widow. 280 00:27:37,472 --> 00:27:39,398 She was 71 years of age. 281 00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:42,993 She had no children and she was very self-reliant. 282 00:27:43,145 --> 00:27:45,220 Her sisters tried to contact her, 283 00:27:45,313 --> 00:27:47,331 But weren't able to reach her. 284 00:27:47,482 --> 00:27:50,000 So the two of them actually drove over to her place. 285 00:27:51,486 --> 00:27:53,412 As they approached the front door, 286 00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:55,580 They happened to notice that the front door was ajar, 287 00:27:55,675 --> 00:27:58,342 About three inches wide. 288 00:27:58,569 --> 00:28:00,678 They knew that was very unusual for flora 289 00:28:00,829 --> 00:28:03,830 Because she always would keep her door closed and locked. 290 00:28:03,849 --> 00:28:05,424 As they entered into the residence, 291 00:28:05,576 --> 00:28:07,518 One of the sisters went into the bathroom. 292 00:28:09,263 --> 00:28:11,413 Flora was lying on the bathroom floor, unclothed, 293 00:28:11,506 --> 00:28:12,856 With a pool of blood around her. 294 00:28:14,527 --> 00:28:16,601 One of her sisters actually picked up the telephone 295 00:28:16,696 --> 00:28:20,180 To try to contact 911, but the line was dead. 296 00:28:20,199 --> 00:28:22,090 (ominous music) 297 00:28:22,109 --> 00:28:24,702 (siren wailing) 298 00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:30,708 A deputy sheriff verified that she was deceased. 299 00:28:30,859 --> 00:28:33,711 He also noticed the residence had been ransacked. 300 00:28:33,938 --> 00:28:35,787 Some type of a struggle had occurred. 301 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,548 There was damage to the door 302 00:28:37,699 --> 00:28:40,008 Indicating that there was some type of forced entry. 303 00:28:40,961 --> 00:28:42,219 Her telephone line, 304 00:28:42,446 --> 00:28:43,721 Which was connected into her residence, 305 00:28:43,948 --> 00:28:46,949 Was cut just above the eave of her home. 306 00:28:46,967 --> 00:28:49,117 The deputy believed that this was some type 307 00:28:49,136 --> 00:28:52,287 Of a suspicious death and contacted the homicide unit. 308 00:28:52,306 --> 00:28:53,956 (ominous music) 309 00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:55,807 Later on in the investigation, 310 00:28:55,901 --> 00:29:00,553 The autopsy revealed that flora had been stabbed 11 times, 311 00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:04,199 Probably with a knife, six to seven inches in length. 312 00:29:05,469 --> 00:29:06,651 We're back in the late 80s. 313 00:29:06,804 --> 00:29:08,637 Back then there wasn't dna. 314 00:29:08,655 --> 00:29:11,582 So as far as fingernails and swabs being collected, 315 00:29:11,809 --> 00:29:13,566 They really couldn't determine much. 316 00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:16,086 (ominous music) 317 00:29:58,205 --> 00:30:00,088 (ominous music) 318 00:30:35,501 --> 00:30:38,651 - Flora routinely would talk to other family members 319 00:30:38,671 --> 00:30:42,655 About having these 20 $100 bills 320 00:30:42,675 --> 00:30:45,400 In this prescribed medication bottle 321 00:30:45,493 --> 00:30:47,344 That she would carry around with her. 322 00:30:47,495 --> 00:30:48,995 She made that known to her family 323 00:30:49,014 --> 00:30:51,164 So that at some point, if she passed away, 324 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,426 She's not gonna be a burden on her other siblings. 325 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,170 The detectives went and canvassed the neighborhood. 326 00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,598 They were not able to locate that medication bottle 327 00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:01,766 With the money inside. 328 00:31:01,861 --> 00:31:04,278 (ominous music) 329 00:31:48,815 --> 00:31:51,700 (suspenseful music) 330 00:32:03,238 --> 00:32:05,147 - Some of the information that we received 331 00:32:05,165 --> 00:32:08,592 From the sisters was that flora didn't drive 332 00:32:08,743 --> 00:32:11,244 And would occasionally use taxi services 333 00:32:11,338 --> 00:32:13,764 To get to doctor's appointments and to the grocery store. 334 00:32:13,991 --> 00:32:16,324 So detectives contacted the taxi companies 335 00:32:16,418 --> 00:32:17,935 And they actually were able to identify 336 00:32:18,162 --> 00:32:20,328 A couple of different taxi companies 337 00:32:20,347 --> 00:32:22,439 That had picked up flora. 338 00:32:22,666 --> 00:32:24,666 After making contacts with the taxi drivers, 339 00:32:24,685 --> 00:32:26,168 Detectives didn't believe 340 00:32:26,186 --> 00:32:28,195 They had any information regarding the death of flora. 341 00:32:29,782 --> 00:32:31,264 I really believe that detectives did everything 342 00:32:31,283 --> 00:32:33,008 They possibly could back in the 80s. 343 00:32:33,101 --> 00:32:35,619 And it just kinda came to a point where 344 00:32:35,770 --> 00:32:37,179 They didn't have anything else to go on. 345 00:32:37,272 --> 00:32:39,030 They're just kind of at a dead end. 346 00:32:39,183 --> 00:32:41,959 (suspenseful music) 347 00:32:49,209 --> 00:32:51,451 (clock ticking) 348 00:32:51,545 --> 00:32:54,429 (suspenseful music) 349 00:33:01,038 --> 00:33:03,371 Today, technology is greatly advanced. 350 00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:04,630 After reviewing the case, 351 00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:07,225 I realized there were fingernail clippings 352 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,395 And there was a pair of slacks found on flora's bed 353 00:33:10,489 --> 00:33:11,804 At the time of the crime 354 00:33:11,898 --> 00:33:13,949 That potentially could yield dna. 355 00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:19,070 I submitted those two items to a private lab for testing. 356 00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:21,573 They were able to determine that there was dna 357 00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,559 From an unknown male on flora's fingernails 358 00:33:24,578 --> 00:33:26,319 And also on her slacks. 359 00:33:26,413 --> 00:33:29,297 (suspenseful music) 360 00:33:37,683 --> 00:33:40,183 There was a match on the dna. 361 00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:42,185 And the match came back to an individual 362 00:33:42,337 --> 00:33:44,146 By the name of gary dean hilfiker. 363 00:33:46,583 --> 00:33:48,767 So I started doing research on gary 364 00:33:48,861 --> 00:33:51,844 And realized that he was already in the utah state prison 365 00:33:51,864 --> 00:33:55,257 For another murder that actually occurred in 1992. 366 00:33:55,275 --> 00:33:58,777 So it would've occurred after flora rundle's murder. 367 00:33:58,929 --> 00:34:01,780 His parole date for the 1992 homicide was April 368 00:34:01,932 --> 00:34:05,876 Of this year, 2022. (suspenseful music) 369 00:34:12,551 --> 00:34:15,886 So the next step would be to go and try to interview gary. 370 00:34:17,372 --> 00:34:20,057 I did as much research as I possibly could do, 371 00:34:20,284 --> 00:34:22,726 But in these cases, it's always a gamble. 372 00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:25,211 I never know whether they will talk or won't talk. 373 00:34:25,305 --> 00:34:27,639 (suspenseful music) 374 00:34:27,733 --> 00:34:29,974 (clock ticking) 375 00:34:30,127 --> 00:34:31,217 (suspenseful music) 376 00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:33,904 (cuffs clicking) 377 00:34:35,816 --> 00:34:37,074 Right, take a seat. 378 00:34:37,225 --> 00:34:37,908 Thank you. 379 00:34:45,492 --> 00:34:46,658 - Gary was very well versed 380 00:34:46,810 --> 00:34:48,067 With the criminal justice system. 381 00:34:48,087 --> 00:34:49,419 I wasn't going to be surprised 382 00:34:49,646 --> 00:34:51,254 If he would've just asked for an attorney 383 00:34:51,406 --> 00:34:52,839 And that would've been the end of the interview. 384 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:53,466 (ominous music) 385 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,893 - He was so stoic 386 00:35:54,987 --> 00:35:56,878 And not really volunteering any information, 387 00:35:56,971 --> 00:35:58,638 Which made it an extreme challenge. 388 00:35:58,657 --> 00:36:01,216 We were concerned that he might not give us answers. 389 00:36:01,234 --> 00:36:02,808 So I'm looking for things 390 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:05,787 That really mean something to get him to trust us. 391 00:36:53,361 --> 00:36:55,861 - When I started leaning into the faith with gary, 392 00:36:55,881 --> 00:36:58,440 I could tell that he was conflicted. 393 00:36:58,458 --> 00:37:01,276 I could tell that he was either on the verge of saying, 394 00:37:01,294 --> 00:37:02,961 I'm done. Take me back. 395 00:37:03,113 --> 00:37:04,679 Or he's going to talk to us. 396 00:37:10,211 --> 00:37:11,561 (suspenseful music) 397 00:37:26,486 --> 00:37:29,246 (suspenseful music) 398 00:37:48,174 --> 00:37:49,724 (clock ticking) 399 00:38:28,031 --> 00:38:29,380 When he's talking about dreams, 400 00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:31,641 I think he's stalling for time 401 00:38:31,793 --> 00:38:35,127 For him to make a decision on which way he was gonna go 402 00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:35,979 In this interview. 403 00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:01,913 - He's still trying to keep some distance 404 00:39:02,065 --> 00:39:04,156 With the dream aspect of it. 405 00:39:04,176 --> 00:39:05,991 Dreams are fine, 406 00:39:06,086 --> 00:39:08,828 But we want him to admit that he was actually at the scene. 407 00:39:08,922 --> 00:39:12,307 Having a confession makes it a lot easier to convict him. 408 00:39:19,674 --> 00:39:20,523 (suspenseful music) 409 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,051 (suspenseful music) 410 00:40:35,659 --> 00:40:38,326 - We were extremely happy that gary admitted 411 00:40:38,344 --> 00:40:40,419 To murdering flora rundle. 412 00:40:40,439 --> 00:40:41,846 In this case, we just talked to gary 413 00:40:41,998 --> 00:40:43,106 And we treated him as a human. 414 00:40:43,333 --> 00:40:45,500 And I truly believe that's why we got 415 00:40:45,593 --> 00:40:47,277 The results we got from gary. 416 00:40:47,428 --> 00:40:50,113 (melancholy music) 417 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,639 (melancholy music) 418 00:41:51,325 --> 00:41:54,177 (suspenseful music) 419 00:42:00,334 --> 00:42:02,744 These types of cases really emotionally take it out of you 420 00:42:02,762 --> 00:42:05,246 Because one wrong move or one wrong word said 421 00:42:05,339 --> 00:42:06,523 Could shut down the interview. 422 00:42:06,674 --> 00:42:07,932 Fortunately for us, 423 00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:10,175 Gary continued to talk and did the right thing 424 00:42:10,195 --> 00:42:12,695 For the family and everyone else involved. 425 00:42:12,847 --> 00:42:15,698 (suspenseful music) 426 00:42:19,929 --> 00:42:22,113 He pled straight up guilty to the charge 427 00:42:22,207 --> 00:42:24,932 And he was sentenced to life without parole. 428 00:42:24,951 --> 00:42:28,102 And, of course, the parole date for April of 2022 429 00:42:28,121 --> 00:42:30,380 For the other murder was revoked as well. 430 00:42:30,531 --> 00:42:33,107 (melancholy music) 431 00:42:33,126 --> 00:42:35,385 I was able to meet with flora's relatives 432 00:42:35,612 --> 00:42:37,945 And give them gary's apology letter. 433 00:42:37,964 --> 00:42:39,204 They appreciated the fact 434 00:42:39,224 --> 00:42:40,965 That he would write something to them. 435 00:42:41,117 --> 00:42:44,135 It makes it a lot easier for everybody involved 436 00:42:44,229 --> 00:42:45,895 When somebody's willing to take responsibility 437 00:42:46,047 --> 00:42:47,063 For what they've done. 438 00:42:48,958 --> 00:42:50,400 I've since learned from gary 439 00:42:50,551 --> 00:42:52,643 That, as they were driving over for the interview, 440 00:42:52,796 --> 00:42:54,571 A christian song came on the radio. 441 00:42:56,057 --> 00:42:57,890 For gary, I think the stars aligned. 442 00:42:57,909 --> 00:43:00,225 And I think he really believed it was time to confess 443 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,652 To what he had done. 444 00:43:01,805 --> 00:43:03,988 He wanted to take responsibility 445 00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:06,583 And he wanted to give the family some answers.