1 00:00:05,005 --> 00:00:10,969 ‎NETFLIX 影集 2 00:01:01,686 --> 00:01:04,189 ‎什麼?不可能顯示已售罄啊 3 00:01:04,898 --> 00:01:07,192 ‎我確認過它已經出貨了 4 00:01:07,275 --> 00:01:08,276 ‎對 5 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:11,154 ‎應該會在當地9號上午送達 6 00:01:11,237 --> 00:01:12,697 ‎(崔振表) 7 00:01:12,781 --> 00:01:13,907 ‎我確認尺寸了 8 00:01:14,532 --> 00:01:16,117 ‎是,辛苦了 9 00:01:17,202 --> 00:01:18,328 ‎你好,這裡是羅溫 10 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:19,245 ‎天啊 11 00:01:19,329 --> 00:01:20,330 ‎是,小姐 12 00:01:21,372 --> 00:01:24,000 ‎是,妳上次退回的物品確認有瑕疵 13 00:01:24,793 --> 00:01:25,668 ‎是 14 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:28,254 ‎(崔振浩:我按照你說的重寫了自傳 ‎幫我看一下) 15 00:01:28,338 --> 00:01:31,508 ‎-真是的,那小子動作真快 ‎-還是妳希望退貨呢? 16 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:36,221 ‎(附件檔案,自傳,二進位檔) 17 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:38,097 ‎(下載) 18 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:47,857 ‎(使用與此無關的應用程序 ‎建立的文件) 19 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,150 ‎(啟用編輯) 20 00:01:49,984 --> 00:01:50,860 ‎這是怎樣? 21 00:02:00,078 --> 00:02:01,246 ‎喂?哥,怎麼了? 22 00:02:01,329 --> 00:02:03,790 ‎你寄給我的自傳檔案打不開 ‎再寄一次吧 23 00:02:04,415 --> 00:02:06,042 ‎我回家再幫你看 24 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:07,544 ‎我沒寄自傳給你啊 25 00:02:08,253 --> 00:02:09,337 ‎你沒寄? 26 00:02:18,972 --> 00:02:19,973 ‎嗯? 27 00:02:21,182 --> 00:02:22,100 ‎怎麼回事? 28 00:02:24,811 --> 00:02:25,937 ‎我先走了 29 00:02:27,063 --> 00:02:28,982 ‎唉唷,振表! 30 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:38,116 ‎什麼? 31 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:40,118 ‎嗯? 32 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:45,248 ‎振表 33 00:02:46,124 --> 00:02:47,125 ‎振表? 34 00:02:48,334 --> 00:02:49,294 ‎怎麼了? 35 00:02:53,339 --> 00:02:55,008 ‎代表,我… 36 00:02:56,175 --> 00:02:57,176 ‎好像上當了 37 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:58,469 ‎什麼? 38 00:02:59,721 --> 00:03:00,972 ‎魚叉式網路釣魚 39 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:13,693 ‎第 15 樁 ‎劇名:沒問的話,沒吩咐的事 40 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:30,251 ‎我覺得我們 41 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,129 ‎還是別交往比較好 42 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,221 ‎妳為什麼突然這麼說? 43 00:03:42,305 --> 00:03:44,015 ‎對不起 44 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:32,272 ‎(手術室) 45 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,693 ‎你要堅強一點,知道嗎? 46 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:37,944 ‎我很堅強 47 00:04:38,027 --> 00:04:40,029 ‎-我沒事,妳別擔心 ‎-好 48 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,869 ‎鄭明錫律師! 49 00:04:49,789 --> 00:04:50,915 ‎嗯? 50 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:52,125 ‎禹英禑律師 51 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:54,085 ‎妳怎麼會來這裡? 52 00:04:54,168 --> 00:04:55,753 ‎我搭地鐵來的 53 00:04:55,837 --> 00:04:57,755 ‎不是,我是說… 54 00:04:58,464 --> 00:05:01,009 ‎妳為何會來?現在妳應該在公司啊 55 00:05:01,092 --> 00:05:04,178 ‎喔,我想來見見你 56 00:05:05,471 --> 00:05:07,598 ‎要是你手術失敗死亡 57 00:05:07,682 --> 00:05:09,517 ‎我就再也見不到你了 58 00:05:10,018 --> 00:05:10,977 ‎妳說什麼? 59 00:05:11,060 --> 00:05:12,478 ‎媽… 60 00:05:12,562 --> 00:05:14,897 ‎禹英禑律師沒有惡意 61 00:05:14,981 --> 00:05:16,357 ‎打聲招呼吧,這位是我媽 62 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:19,527 ‎妳好,我叫禹英禑 63 00:05:19,610 --> 00:05:20,987 ‎正著唸、倒著唸都一樣的禹英禑 64 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:23,406 ‎黑吃黑、多倫多、石榴石 ‎文言文、鹽酸鹽、禹英禑 65 00:05:23,489 --> 00:05:27,118 ‎-什麼? ‎-媽,我跟妳說過 66 00:05:27,201 --> 00:05:29,162 ‎韓國治療胃癌的實力是世界一流的 67 00:05:29,245 --> 00:05:32,874 ‎聽說術後存活率超過七成 68 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:34,125 ‎別擔心 69 00:05:34,208 --> 00:05:38,254 ‎那是因為早期發現胃癌的病患 ‎也都被涵蓋進去了 70 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:40,214 ‎像鄭明錫律師這樣胃癌第三期的情況 71 00:05:40,298 --> 00:05:41,966 ‎術後五年存活率僅有三至四成… 72 00:05:42,050 --> 00:05:45,303 ‎不好意思,我們進去吧 73 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:46,554 ‎好 74 00:05:46,637 --> 00:05:48,890 ‎明錫,手術加油 75 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:51,309 ‎-媽在這裡等你 ‎-晚點見 76 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:54,353 ‎請你一定要活著回來! 77 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:55,521 ‎禹英禑律師 78 00:05:56,355 --> 00:05:57,315 ‎安靜一點 79 00:05:58,149 --> 00:06:01,402 ‎請你一定要活著回來! 80 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:03,321 ‎-兒子加油 ‎-妳安靜點 81 00:06:05,448 --> 00:06:06,365 ‎一定要喔 82 00:06:22,090 --> 00:06:24,133 ‎南無觀世音菩薩 83 00:06:27,804 --> 00:06:33,059 ‎(手術室) 84 00:06:38,356 --> 00:06:39,440 ‎喂? 85 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:41,567 ‎禹英禑,妳在哪?來17樓會議室 86 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:44,028 ‎我們要跟新案件的委託人開會 87 00:06:44,112 --> 00:06:46,114 ‎我現在不在公司耶 88 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:48,658 ‎那妳還在幹嘛?快點趕回來啊 89 00:06:49,659 --> 00:06:51,202 ‎喔,好 90 00:06:56,624 --> 00:07:00,294 ‎雖然我自己說這些話有點不好意思 91 00:07:01,087 --> 00:07:04,757 ‎但凡事應該都有最合適的人選吧? 92 00:07:04,841 --> 00:07:08,302 ‎汪洋有許多優秀的律師 93 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:12,640 ‎畢竟這是企業案件 ‎而我在資訊科技方面… 94 00:07:16,978 --> 00:07:19,689 ‎還有一位共同負責案件的律師 ‎她好像到了 95 00:07:20,273 --> 00:07:21,649 ‎趕快進來吧 96 00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:26,320 ‎所以我… 97 00:07:33,077 --> 00:07:35,413 ‎妳快點進來啊,幹嘛呆站在那裡? 98 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:36,831 ‎客戶都在等了 99 00:07:36,914 --> 00:07:37,790 ‎喔 100 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:40,668 ‎因為對我而言 ‎從一個空間到另一個空間 101 00:07:40,751 --> 00:07:42,628 ‎所感受到的刺激太大了 102 00:07:42,712 --> 00:07:45,715 ‎如果在心裡默數到三 ‎喘口氣再進去的話 103 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,550 ‎可以稍微緩解刺激 104 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:52,805 ‎我偶爾也會那樣 105 00:07:52,889 --> 00:07:56,100 ‎空間突然改變會很令人不自在 106 00:07:56,893 --> 00:07:59,103 ‎她好勇敢喔 107 00:07:59,979 --> 00:08:02,356 ‎我都怕別人對我投以異樣眼光 108 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,944 ‎所以即使不自在 ‎也會裝作若無其事,獨自隱忍 109 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:10,156 ‎現在這種情況下 ‎你還有心情說笑嗎? 110 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:11,657 ‎你還笑得出來? 111 00:08:11,741 --> 00:08:14,243 ‎你現在跟學生時期簡直沒兩樣 112 00:08:14,327 --> 00:08:16,412 ‎每次都只有我嚴肅看待事情 113 00:08:17,038 --> 00:08:19,332 ‎兩位畢業於同一所大學嗎? 114 00:08:19,415 --> 00:08:21,792 ‎不是,我沒上大學 115 00:08:21,876 --> 00:08:24,545 ‎我們是高中同學,我畢業於河那大學 116 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:25,880 ‎河那大學? 117 00:08:27,548 --> 00:08:29,133 ‎哥 118 00:08:29,217 --> 00:08:31,052 ‎不對,前輩 119 00:08:33,429 --> 00:08:36,098 ‎我是2000年進入河那大學的 120 00:08:37,016 --> 00:08:38,476 ‎我是1997年 121 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,895 ‎我是2013年進入河那大學的 122 00:08:40,978 --> 00:08:44,357 ‎2013年?天啊,簡直是小寶寶 123 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:45,691 ‎小寶寶? 124 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:48,402 ‎我唸大學的時候 125 00:08:48,486 --> 00:08:51,405 ‎你來學校辦專題講座 126 00:08:51,489 --> 00:08:52,740 ‎我聽了感觸良多 127 00:08:52,823 --> 00:08:54,951 ‎不禁讚嘆深受全國民 ‎喜愛的線上購物中心 128 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:57,578 ‎竟然是我們學校前輩創立的 129 00:08:57,662 --> 00:08:59,705 ‎-唉唷,過獎了 ‎-你真的太厲害了 130 00:09:00,456 --> 00:09:01,582 ‎那個… 131 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:03,584 ‎不是全國民 132 00:09:04,544 --> 00:09:08,965 ‎根據最近調查結果 ‎羅溫的用戶數為4095萬4173人 133 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:12,760 ‎而大韓民國的總人口數為 ‎5162萬8117人 134 00:09:15,888 --> 00:09:16,931 ‎意思差不多啦 135 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:19,559 ‎這表示全國80%的人都在使用羅溫 136 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:21,769 ‎真的很厲害 137 00:09:22,353 --> 00:09:23,229 ‎哪裡厲害? 138 00:09:23,896 --> 00:09:25,147 ‎我們都快完蛋了 139 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,987 ‎我們繼續談公事吧? 140 00:09:31,070 --> 00:09:31,904 ‎-好 ‎-是 141 00:09:31,988 --> 00:09:35,950 ‎我們剛才聊到羅溫的資料庫負責人 ‎說他收到駭客的電子郵件 142 00:09:36,033 --> 00:09:41,622 ‎駭客入侵我們資料庫負責人 ‎和他弟弟往來的電子郵件 143 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:44,917 ‎清楚掌握兩人平時的談話內容 144 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,879 ‎駭客甚至模仿弟弟的口氣 ‎寄發電子郵件 145 00:09:48,963 --> 00:09:51,757 ‎如果植入惡意程式碼的 ‎附件檔案副檔名 146 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:53,884 ‎是顯示安裝檔的話 147 00:09:53,968 --> 00:09:56,679 ‎我們資料庫負責人就會有點戒心 148 00:09:56,762 --> 00:09:59,724 ‎但因為副檔名是二進位檔 ‎他才沒有多加懷疑 149 00:09:59,807 --> 00:10:03,769 ‎我都不知道可以用Word檔 ‎散播惡意程式碼 150 00:10:03,853 --> 00:10:04,937 ‎這是可能的 151 00:10:05,021 --> 00:10:06,856 ‎由於那是為了攻擊特定對象 152 00:10:06,939 --> 00:10:09,191 ‎而特別製作的惡意程式碼 153 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:11,777 ‎防毒軟體也偵測不到 154 00:10:11,861 --> 00:10:13,446 ‎駭客落網了嗎? 155 00:10:13,529 --> 00:10:14,739 ‎還沒有,警方認為 156 00:10:14,822 --> 00:10:16,824 ‎是北韓偵察總局所為 157 00:10:16,907 --> 00:10:18,242 ‎但目前還不確定 158 00:10:18,326 --> 00:10:20,161 ‎北韓偵察總局? 159 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:22,663 ‎稍等一下 160 00:10:24,165 --> 00:10:27,209 ‎你們看看這個,來 161 00:10:28,002 --> 00:10:30,212 ‎是不是有點奇怪? 162 00:10:32,506 --> 00:10:34,884 ‎-“程序”? ‎-是的 163 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:37,637 ‎北韓人將程式稱為程序 164 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,140 ‎雖然不該光憑這一點 ‎就懷疑是北韓所為 165 00:10:41,223 --> 00:10:42,767 ‎但警方正在調查中 166 00:10:42,850 --> 00:10:45,061 ‎如果真的是北韓人做的 167 00:10:45,811 --> 00:10:48,064 ‎那要抓到駭客就難了 168 00:10:48,147 --> 00:10:50,274 ‎畢竟也會牽扯到政治問題 169 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:53,694 ‎不,更大的問題是廣播通信委員會 170 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:57,114 ‎他們對我們處以 ‎整整三千億韓元的罰鍰 171 00:10:57,198 --> 00:11:00,034 ‎所以我們才會來找你們 172 00:11:00,117 --> 00:11:03,871 ‎仔細想想,我們也是 ‎遭北韓駭客攻擊的被害人 173 00:11:03,954 --> 00:11:08,042 ‎因為我們沒有妥善保護用戶個資 ‎就被罰款三千億韓元 174 00:11:08,125 --> 00:11:10,002 ‎這太誇張了吧? 175 00:11:10,628 --> 00:11:14,256 ‎駭客入侵我們資料庫管理員的電腦時 176 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:19,053 ‎連接資料庫伺服器的終端 ‎就以登入狀態顯示在螢幕上 177 00:11:19,136 --> 00:11:22,765 ‎所以從駭客的角度來看 ‎就相當於省去了 178 00:11:22,848 --> 00:11:25,684 ‎連接伺服器時必須竊取 179 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,978 ‎管理員帳號與密碼的麻煩 180 00:11:28,062 --> 00:11:30,856 ‎廣通委就是針對這個部分在做文章 181 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:35,569 ‎他們認為我們的資料庫伺服器 ‎沒有妥善設好閒置逾時 182 00:11:35,653 --> 00:11:38,280 ‎所謂的閒置逾時 183 00:11:38,364 --> 00:11:41,700 ‎是指最長連線時間限制吧? 184 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:42,660 ‎沒錯 185 00:11:42,743 --> 00:11:44,412 ‎過了一定的時間 186 00:11:44,495 --> 00:11:46,705 ‎就會自動切斷連線 187 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:49,875 ‎只能在必要的時間內連線登入系統 188 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:53,671 ‎羅溫的資料庫伺服器 ‎沒有那個設定嗎? 189 00:11:53,754 --> 00:11:55,005 ‎對 190 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:56,924 ‎我們沒有特別設定 191 00:12:00,594 --> 00:12:01,887 ‎我覺得… 192 00:12:03,722 --> 00:12:06,642 ‎應該是廣通委不小心多打了幾個零 193 00:12:06,725 --> 00:12:07,768 ‎-什麼? ‎-什麼? 194 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:11,564 ‎幾年前阿哈購物網 ‎也發生過個資外洩的事件 195 00:12:11,647 --> 00:12:15,568 ‎你們知道阿哈當時繳了多少罰鍰嗎? 196 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,486 ‎不知道 197 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:19,780 ‎當時有200萬筆左右的個資遭外洩 198 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:21,532 ‎但他們繳了七千萬韓元 199 00:12:21,615 --> 00:12:22,741 ‎什麼? 200 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:26,662 ‎是,而JP通信的外洩規模更大 201 00:12:26,745 --> 00:12:29,081 ‎將近有1000萬筆 202 00:12:29,748 --> 00:12:33,210 ‎但他們才被罰一億韓元而已 203 00:12:33,294 --> 00:12:35,838 ‎那他們為什麼 ‎要罰我們三千億韓元呢? 204 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:38,340 ‎因為我們個資外洩的筆數最多? 205 00:12:39,633 --> 00:12:42,178 ‎也對,畢竟外洩了四千多萬筆 206 00:12:42,261 --> 00:12:44,889 ‎四千萬筆就幾乎是全國民… 207 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:50,686 ‎之中的80%吧? 208 00:12:50,769 --> 00:12:51,770 ‎不是啊 209 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:54,982 ‎又不是四千萬人的財產出現損失 210 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:58,027 ‎只不過是個資嘛 211 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,739 ‎韓國大多數人在註冊網站會員時 212 00:13:01,822 --> 00:13:04,450 ‎不是都會認知到 213 00:13:05,075 --> 00:13:06,702 ‎有個資外洩風險嗎? 214 00:13:06,785 --> 00:13:09,038 ‎那他們為什麼只針對我們呢? 215 00:13:09,121 --> 00:13:13,125 ‎廣通委總不可能真的 ‎不小心多打了幾個零吧? 216 00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:15,711 ‎是,當然不可能 217 00:13:16,545 --> 00:13:17,796 ‎那個 218 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,342 ‎廣通委那邊有我認識的人 219 00:13:21,425 --> 00:13:26,388 ‎我會透過他們了解一下 ‎廣通委這麼做的理由 220 00:13:26,472 --> 00:13:28,349 ‎以及整體氣氛如何 221 00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:32,394 ‎不過 222 00:13:33,312 --> 00:13:36,565 ‎企業和廣通委打官司迄今從來沒輸過 223 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,319 ‎廣通委是政府機關 ‎請不起昂貴的律所 224 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:43,781 ‎因此他們總是會輸給 ‎聘用大型律所的企業 225 00:13:44,615 --> 00:13:46,242 ‎這次肯定也會是這樣 226 00:13:46,325 --> 00:13:47,785 ‎請別擔心 227 00:13:48,702 --> 00:13:49,537 ‎前輩 228 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:10,307 ‎怎麼了?我不能坐這裡嗎? 229 00:14:10,391 --> 00:14:13,686 ‎還有很多空位,不必硬要坐這吧 230 00:14:15,062 --> 00:14:16,146 ‎好吧 231 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:19,692 ‎你還是坐吧 232 00:14:21,318 --> 00:14:22,945 ‎我們之前也一起吃過飯嘛 233 00:14:23,028 --> 00:14:25,656 ‎唉唷,出爾反爾的,真難搞 234 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:37,376 ‎對喔 235 00:14:37,459 --> 00:14:39,128 ‎他跟英禑沒戲唱了 236 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:42,339 ‎我沒想到濬浩會一個人吃午餐 237 00:14:42,423 --> 00:14:44,675 ‎我們去坐濬浩旁邊一起吃吧? 238 00:14:50,097 --> 00:14:51,807 ‎我看沒那個必要 239 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,561 ‎濬浩,你今天一個人吃飯啊? 240 00:14:55,644 --> 00:14:56,729 ‎我可以坐這吧? 241 00:14:57,980 --> 00:14:58,939 ‎喔,好 242 00:15:00,149 --> 00:15:02,568 ‎-濬浩,原來你也喜歡吃香腸 ‎-對耶 243 00:15:02,651 --> 00:15:05,279 ‎我差點忘了濬浩是汪洋的人氣王 244 00:15:05,362 --> 00:15:06,447 ‎就是啊 245 00:15:07,197 --> 00:15:10,034 ‎妳是在擔心誰啊? 246 00:15:12,161 --> 00:15:14,955 ‎-襯衫的顏色好適合你 ‎-就是說啊 247 00:15:17,249 --> 00:15:18,542 ‎也吃點這個吧 248 00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:31,472 ‎(70億筆個資外洩 ‎繳納一億韓元罰鍰即可) 249 00:15:35,392 --> 00:15:36,435 ‎請進 250 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:43,400 ‎唉唷,我就知道會這樣 251 00:15:43,484 --> 00:15:46,570 ‎妳怎麼淒涼地一個人 ‎窩在辦公室裡吃飯? 252 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:47,655 ‎那個 253 00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:48,948 ‎我有事情要忙 254 00:15:49,031 --> 00:15:52,868 ‎工作越忙就越要把握午休時間 ‎出去走走啊 255 00:15:52,952 --> 00:15:57,122 ‎妳也去跟別的男人吃飯、喝咖啡啊 256 00:15:57,706 --> 00:15:59,249 ‎今天天氣這麼好 257 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,132 ‎妳跟濬浩怎麼了? 258 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:10,260 ‎妳是指什麼? 259 00:16:10,344 --> 00:16:13,681 ‎聽說妳拒絕交往 ‎妳為什麼要那麼做? 260 00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:18,227 ‎那個… 261 00:16:18,310 --> 00:16:20,521 ‎妳也沒跟濬浩好好解釋過吧? 262 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:22,564 ‎沒有 263 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,566 ‎禹英禑,妳搞什麼? 264 00:16:24,650 --> 00:16:26,610 ‎未免太失禮了吧 265 00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:29,822 ‎妳拋出別交往的爆炸性宣言後 ‎到現在都沒告訴他理由? 266 00:16:33,826 --> 00:16:37,496 ‎我認為上班時間不適合談論這種私事 267 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,248 ‎現在是午休時間 268 00:16:39,331 --> 00:16:42,668 ‎那我們來聊鯨魚吧? ‎午休時間本來就是聊鯨… 269 00:16:42,751 --> 00:16:44,670 ‎不,我不要 270 00:16:44,753 --> 00:16:45,879 ‎回答我的問題 271 00:17:05,232 --> 00:17:06,942 ‎妳在幹嘛? 272 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,157 ‎現在午休時間結束 273 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,076 ‎要繼續上班了,禁止聊私事 274 00:17:16,952 --> 00:17:18,871 ‎喂,禹英禑 275 00:17:19,538 --> 00:17:20,706 ‎妳要去哪裡? 276 00:17:21,373 --> 00:17:22,291 ‎喂… 277 00:17:27,755 --> 00:17:28,964 ‎請進 278 00:17:39,933 --> 00:17:41,560 ‎妳有什麼事? 279 00:17:47,441 --> 00:17:49,234 ‎那個… 280 00:17:50,444 --> 00:17:52,071 ‎張勝准律師 281 00:17:52,154 --> 00:17:56,825 ‎廣播通信委員會對羅溫 ‎處三千億韓元的罰鍰並不是失誤 282 00:17:58,452 --> 00:17:59,286 ‎什麼? 283 00:17:59,369 --> 00:18:02,956 ‎廣播通信委員會並沒有 ‎不小心多打了幾個零 284 00:18:05,667 --> 00:18:07,211 ‎不然是怎樣? 285 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:12,007 ‎妳找到廣通委那麼做的 ‎箇中原因了嗎? 286 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:24,895 ‎(70億筆個資外洩 ‎繳納一億韓元罰鍰即可) 287 00:18:24,978 --> 00:18:28,190 ‎“過去十年來 ‎企業外洩的個資高達70億筆 288 00:18:28,273 --> 00:18:29,858 ‎卻只受到不痛不癢的懲罰 289 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:30,818 ‎需引進集體訴訟制度 290 00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:33,529 ‎及擴大懲罰性賠償等,以加強處罰” 291 00:18:35,072 --> 00:18:37,241 ‎還有許多類似的報導 292 00:18:37,324 --> 00:18:39,118 ‎有關個資外洩的輿論 293 00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:42,788 ‎正傾向加強對企業的處罰 294 00:18:42,871 --> 00:18:43,831 ‎所以呢? 295 00:18:44,498 --> 00:18:46,875 ‎廣通委讀了幾篇新聞報導 296 00:18:47,668 --> 00:18:50,003 ‎就將先前的一億韓元罰鍰 297 00:18:50,087 --> 00:18:52,798 ‎突然調漲到三千億韓元? 298 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:53,924 ‎《情報通信網法》 299 00:18:54,007 --> 00:18:55,217 ‎隨時都在修訂 300 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,595 ‎廣播通信委員會 ‎對阿哈購物網及JP通信 301 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:01,890 ‎分別處以七千萬韓元 ‎和一億韓元的罰鍰時 302 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:05,519 ‎法律規定罰鍰的上限金額為一億韓元 303 00:19:05,602 --> 00:19:07,146 ‎但根據現行法律 304 00:19:07,229 --> 00:19:10,023 ‎最高可處以與違規行為相關之銷售額 305 00:19:10,107 --> 00:19:11,942 ‎3%以內的罰鍰 306 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:14,945 ‎所以廣通委才得以開罰三千億韓元 307 00:19:25,455 --> 00:19:27,958 ‎她真是太囂張了 308 00:19:29,251 --> 00:19:31,170 ‎什麼?我沒聽清楚 309 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:46,143 ‎禹英禑律師 ‎妳是第一次跟我共事吧? 310 00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:47,436 ‎是 311 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,439 ‎妳以後只要遵守一個規則 312 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,108 ‎不說沒問的話 313 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:54,651 ‎不做沒吩咐的事 314 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,445 ‎聽懂了嗎? 315 00:19:58,405 --> 00:19:59,698 ‎這樣不是兩個規則嗎? 316 00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:02,159 ‎什麼? 317 00:20:02,242 --> 00:20:03,785 ‎一是不說沒問的話 318 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:05,454 ‎二是不做沒吩咐的事 319 00:20:05,537 --> 00:20:06,455 ‎這樣是兩個規則 320 00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:09,249 ‎不管一個還兩個 ‎妳聽懂我的意思了嗎? 321 00:20:11,001 --> 00:20:12,211 ‎是,我懂了 322 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:25,390 ‎我帶了幾樣小菜來給你媽媽嚐嚐 323 00:20:26,058 --> 00:20:28,393 ‎我是開酒館的 324 00:20:28,477 --> 00:20:31,480 ‎所以每一道小菜都像下酒菜 325 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:34,066 ‎她配著酒一起吃就好啦 326 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:36,109 ‎神智清醒地照護病患太辛苦了 327 00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:37,736 ‎她戒酒了 328 00:20:37,819 --> 00:20:38,779 ‎是喔 329 00:20:38,862 --> 00:20:41,740 ‎真的很謝謝你們連我媽都照顧到 330 00:20:41,823 --> 00:20:43,283 ‎唉唷,不必客氣 331 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,118 ‎看你手術很順利我就放心了 332 00:20:45,661 --> 00:20:47,496 ‎我把小菜先放進冰箱 333 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:54,962 ‎禹英禑律師,妳怎麼了? 334 00:20:55,045 --> 00:20:56,338 ‎妳有什麼煩惱嗎? 335 00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:59,925 ‎-是,我有煩惱 ‎-什麼煩惱? 336 00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:05,180 ‎基於律師的保密義務 ‎我沒辦法告訴你細節 337 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:08,934 ‎那說得籠統一點就好了 ‎不要說得太詳細 338 00:21:09,017 --> 00:21:10,227 ‎那個… 339 00:21:12,896 --> 00:21:15,607 ‎如果共同負責案件的前輩 340 00:21:15,691 --> 00:21:18,193 ‎不聽我說話該怎麼辦? 341 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:20,988 ‎跟妳共同負責案件的前輩是誰? 342 00:21:21,071 --> 00:21:23,031 ‎是張勝准律師 343 00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:24,366 ‎該死 344 00:21:27,327 --> 00:21:30,664 ‎為了妳自己著想 345 00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:34,960 ‎壓低身段配合張勝准也是一種辦… 346 00:21:35,043 --> 00:21:36,003 ‎妳要去哪裡? 347 00:21:36,086 --> 00:21:37,337 ‎受不了 348 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:40,882 ‎英禑,他不是要妳真的壓低身體啦! 349 00:21:44,928 --> 00:21:45,846 ‎是啊 350 00:21:46,346 --> 00:21:48,890 ‎禹律師不可能那麼做 351 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:51,059 ‎她連壓低身段都會錯意了 352 00:21:52,561 --> 00:21:53,770 ‎那要怎麼辦? 353 00:21:56,565 --> 00:21:57,941 ‎禹律師 354 00:21:58,650 --> 00:21:59,860 ‎妳還有同事啊 355 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:01,945 ‎妳跟同事說吧 356 00:22:02,821 --> 00:22:04,614 ‎如果跟前輩溝通不了 357 00:22:04,698 --> 00:22:06,950 ‎那至少要找同事多多討論 358 00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:09,536 ‎好嗎? 359 00:22:11,371 --> 00:22:12,622 ‎好 360 00:22:25,010 --> 00:22:26,261 ‎魚叉式網路釣魚 361 00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:30,015 ‎針對特定個人或機關的漏洞 362 00:22:30,098 --> 00:22:33,143 ‎巧妙地擲出魚叉 363 00:22:33,226 --> 00:22:38,148 ‎顧名思義就是像擲魚叉般的駭客攻擊 364 00:22:39,107 --> 00:22:42,986 ‎羅溫的資料庫管理員崔振表先生 ‎所遭受的攻擊 365 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:45,781 ‎就是魚叉式網路釣魚 366 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:49,951 ‎駭客透過魚叉式網路釣魚 367 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,662 ‎讓崔振表先生的電腦 ‎感染惡意程式碼後 368 00:22:52,746 --> 00:22:54,539 ‎再對羅溫進行APT攻擊 369 00:22:54,623 --> 00:22:57,501 ‎也就是高級長期… 370 00:22:57,584 --> 00:22:58,877 ‎原告代理人 371 00:23:00,003 --> 00:23:02,214 ‎感謝你的熱心解說 372 00:23:02,297 --> 00:23:06,885 ‎但在場的原告、被告及法官們 373 00:23:06,968 --> 00:23:09,054 ‎都知道APT攻擊是什麼 374 00:23:09,846 --> 00:23:11,807 ‎可以麻煩跳過說明嗎? 375 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:13,558 ‎等等 376 00:23:14,351 --> 00:23:18,188 ‎你知道高級長期威脅是什麼嗎? 377 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:23,443 ‎意思就是對目標對象 ‎進行高智能且持續性的攻擊 378 00:23:24,444 --> 00:23:25,362 ‎沒錯… 379 00:23:25,445 --> 00:23:28,323 ‎如果我們採用國民參與陪審 380 00:23:28,406 --> 00:23:30,992 ‎就需要詳盡地說明 381 00:23:31,076 --> 00:23:32,619 ‎但現在只有我們 382 00:23:32,702 --> 00:23:36,706 ‎旁聽的人似乎大部分都是記者 383 00:23:36,790 --> 00:23:39,126 ‎我們直接進入正題吧 384 00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:40,794 ‎好的 385 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:02,357 ‎請稍等 386 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:05,986 ‎我是要平板電腦 387 00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:09,114 ‎不講我怎麼知道? 388 00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:14,035 ‎像這樣對同是駭客攻擊被害人的羅溫 389 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,121 ‎處以高達三千億韓元 390 00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:20,876 ‎足以讓一間公司倒閉的鉅額罰鍰 391 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:25,589 ‎顯露出廣播通信委員會 ‎逾越及濫用了裁量權 392 00:24:26,298 --> 00:24:28,550 ‎我方並未逾越或濫用裁量權 393 00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:30,427 ‎根據《情報通信網法》的規定 394 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:33,471 ‎被告得對原告處以與違規行為 395 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:38,226 ‎相關之銷售額3%以下的罰鍰 396 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:42,314 ‎羅溫上一年度的銷售額是 ‎30兆3千億韓元 397 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:46,943 ‎被告雖可對原告處以 ‎九千億韓元的罰鍰 398 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:49,404 ‎但被告衡諸原告的狀況 399 00:24:49,487 --> 00:24:51,323 ‎僅開罰遠低於上限的 400 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:53,950 ‎三千億韓元 401 00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:59,414 ‎阿哈購物網和JP通信 ‎發生個資外洩事件時 402 00:24:59,497 --> 00:25:02,167 ‎被告分別被處以七千萬韓元 403 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:04,794 ‎及一億韓元的罰鍰 404 00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:08,840 ‎然而現在卻僅以法律修訂為由 405 00:25:08,924 --> 00:25:11,801 ‎突然對相同案件開罰三千億韓元? 406 00:25:12,802 --> 00:25:15,931 ‎裁罰基準明顯有失公平 407 00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:20,602 ‎因羅溫的疏忽而外洩的個資 ‎足足有四千萬筆 408 00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:23,438 ‎他們洩漏了全國民的個資… 409 00:25:23,521 --> 00:25:25,565 ‎不是全國民 410 00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:29,402 ‎大韓民國的人口為五千萬人 411 00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:33,907 ‎應該說全國80%的人才對 412 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:38,370 ‎是,庭上,我改正一下說法 413 00:25:38,995 --> 00:25:42,999 ‎他們洩漏了全國80%人民的個資 414 00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:46,044 ‎要繳納多少罰鍰才符合公平性呢? 415 00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:49,965 ‎-那個… ‎-本次羅溫事件外洩的個資 416 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:52,342 ‎不只是基本的身分資料而已 417 00:25:53,176 --> 00:25:56,805 ‎四千萬名國民敏感的信用資訊 ‎及金融交易資訊 418 00:25:56,888 --> 00:25:58,723 ‎全都被洩漏出去了 419 00:25:58,807 --> 00:25:59,849 ‎結果 420 00:25:59,933 --> 00:26:03,937 ‎他們還嫌只占銷售額1%的罰鍰過重 ‎認為裁罰不當? 421 00:26:04,437 --> 00:26:08,358 ‎這種態度本身就顯示了 422 00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:11,486 ‎羅溫對用戶個資的認知不足 423 00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,911 ‎我方陳述完畢 424 00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:35,885 ‎就目前的情況,因果關係很重要 425 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:36,803 ‎你們知道 426 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,014 ‎怠金和罰鍰不一樣吧? 427 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:40,974 ‎不,我不太清楚 428 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:47,105 ‎未設定閒置逾時這件事本身 ‎屬於怠金處分的範圍 429 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:49,733 ‎頂多會被罰三千萬韓元以下 430 00:26:49,816 --> 00:26:53,111 ‎但要是未設定閒置逾時 431 00:26:53,194 --> 00:26:56,406 ‎導致了個資外洩的結果 432 00:26:57,574 --> 00:27:00,285 ‎那麼就屬於罰鍰的範圍 433 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:04,539 ‎金額也會增加到相關銷售額的3% 434 00:27:05,206 --> 00:27:06,041 ‎是 435 00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:07,459 ‎所以說 436 00:27:08,251 --> 00:27:13,840 ‎如果羅溫的伺服器有設定閒置逾時 437 00:27:14,591 --> 00:27:17,385 ‎你認為能夠防止個資外洩嗎? 438 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,015 ‎這等於是在問“假如大門鎖著 439 00:27:22,098 --> 00:27:26,144 ‎小偷是否就偷不走家裡的東西?” 440 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,981 ‎這取決於駭客的能力 441 00:27:30,065 --> 00:27:33,443 ‎但我們不曉得駭客是誰 ‎因為目前還沒抓到人 442 00:27:33,526 --> 00:27:36,237 ‎但你畢竟是專家 443 00:27:36,321 --> 00:27:38,198 ‎稍微推測一下的話呢? 444 00:27:40,617 --> 00:27:44,746 ‎這關係到究竟是三千萬韓元的怠金 445 00:27:44,829 --> 00:27:48,083 ‎還是三千億韓元的罰鍰 446 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,211 ‎對了,振表 447 00:27:51,294 --> 00:27:53,755 ‎安裝到電腦上的惡意程式碼中 ‎也有鍵盤側錄吧? 448 00:27:53,838 --> 00:27:54,839 ‎喔? 449 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:56,716 ‎對,有 450 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,801 ‎鍵盤側錄? 451 00:27:57,884 --> 00:28:02,806 ‎安裝鍵盤側錄的話 ‎就能竊聽電腦主人輸入的文字 452 00:28:02,889 --> 00:28:06,101 ‎如果振表輸入帳號和密碼 ‎想連接伺服器 453 00:28:06,184 --> 00:28:07,644 ‎對方就能透過監聽得知 454 00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:10,480 ‎而駭客只是會多花一點時間而已 455 00:28:10,563 --> 00:28:16,694 ‎所以即使設定了閒置逾時 ‎還是無法防止被駭嗎? 456 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:18,988 ‎兩者之間的因果關係不成立? 457 00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:20,073 ‎對,沒錯 458 00:28:24,452 --> 00:28:25,620 ‎不好意思 459 00:28:26,246 --> 00:28:27,539 ‎我剛才接到一通電話 460 00:28:28,081 --> 00:28:31,835 ‎我們的用戶們正準備提起集體訴訟 461 00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:34,504 ‎集體訴訟? 462 00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:38,216 ‎他們想求償個資外洩的損失 463 00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:40,677 ‎他們委託哪一間律所提起訴訟? 464 00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:47,684 ‎是哪間無事可做的律所 ‎自願接下這樁麻煩的案件? 465 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:48,977 ‎就是 466 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:50,937 ‎泰山法律事務所 467 00:28:53,815 --> 00:28:55,191 ‎泰山? 468 00:28:55,275 --> 00:28:59,320 ‎聽說他們正透過網路論壇號召當事人 469 00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:02,949 ‎我找到你說的論壇了 470 00:29:03,032 --> 00:29:04,367 ‎號召速度很快 471 00:29:04,451 --> 00:29:05,869 ‎論壇開設不到一個月 472 00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:07,370 ‎就已經召集100萬人了 473 00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:11,708 ‎他們似乎打算請求 ‎每人十萬韓元的損害賠償金 474 00:29:12,333 --> 00:29:14,794 ‎張律師,我們該怎麼辦? 475 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,255 ‎現在罰鍰三千億韓元已經不是重點了 476 00:29:17,338 --> 00:29:18,840 ‎現在不到一個月就有100萬人 477 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:21,217 ‎他們遲早會召集到4000萬人 478 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,595 ‎如果那4000萬人各求償十萬韓元 479 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:24,971 ‎總額就是四兆韓元 480 00:29:25,555 --> 00:29:27,807 ‎那樣我們就完了 481 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,686 ‎羅溫會倒閉的 482 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,197 ‎裴代表,這種時候你更不能慌 483 00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:46,993 ‎個資外洩案件本來就是這樣 484 00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:51,414 ‎不僅要承擔怠金或罰鍰的公法責任 485 00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:53,500 ‎還要連帶承擔民事訴訟的 486 00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:55,210 ‎司法責任 487 00:29:56,252 --> 00:29:57,086 ‎現在… 488 00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:59,297 ‎是“私法”才對 489 00:30:09,057 --> 00:30:09,933 ‎什麼? 490 00:30:10,016 --> 00:30:14,354 ‎不是司法責任,而是私法責任 491 00:30:14,437 --> 00:30:17,816 ‎相對於公法概念的私法 ‎發音時重音要放在後面 492 00:30:17,899 --> 00:30:19,818 ‎雖然與立法及行政 493 00:30:19,901 --> 00:30:24,280 ‎一同擔任國家作用要角的司法 ‎拼音相同,但發音不同 494 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,574 ‎禹英禑律師 495 00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:29,953 ‎妳現在還有時間跟我扯這個嗎? 496 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,831 ‎輪得到妳教我發音嗎? 497 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:37,377 ‎-張勝准律師 ‎-是 498 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:38,711 ‎可以跟你借一步說話嗎? 499 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:40,338 ‎-我們出去談吧 ‎-好 500 00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:52,600 ‎我查了一下 501 00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:55,311 ‎發現他在河那大學 ‎校友總會活躍很久了 502 00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:57,605 ‎誰啊? 503 00:30:58,398 --> 00:30:59,607 ‎負責我們案件的審判長 504 00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:02,402 ‎是,河那大學?我知道 505 00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:04,779 ‎我們不能利用這一點嗎? 506 00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:06,364 ‎什麼? 507 00:31:06,447 --> 00:31:09,617 ‎做生意的人有互相招待的文化 508 00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:11,786 ‎如果司法界也大同小異 509 00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:15,081 ‎那麼做說不定會有一些幫助 510 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:16,249 ‎這樣啊 511 00:31:18,167 --> 00:31:19,794 ‎對,說得也是 512 00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:25,925 ‎“沒保護好四千萬名用戶個資的羅溫 513 00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:27,468 ‎對僅占銷售額1%的罰鍰 514 00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:29,804 ‎心有不服而提起訴訟 515 00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:31,639 ‎此一事實 516 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:35,935 ‎顯現出羅溫 ‎對用戶個資低下的認知水準” 517 00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:38,354 ‎天啊 518 00:31:38,438 --> 00:31:40,857 ‎你知道現在出現了幾篇 ‎同樣內容的報導嗎? 519 00:31:40,940 --> 00:31:43,651 ‎這樣就形同我們故意讓委託人挨罵嘛 520 00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:45,278 ‎很抱歉 521 00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:47,196 ‎留言罵得更慘 522 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:51,242 ‎“賺了三十兆韓元 ‎還抱怨三千億韓元太多? 523 00:31:51,326 --> 00:31:53,661 ‎洩漏了全國民的個資 524 00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,039 ‎還聲稱被駭客攻擊,假裝成被害人” 525 00:31:56,122 --> 00:31:59,292 ‎你是怎麼擬定辯論方向的 ‎風向為何會一面倒? 526 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:02,754 ‎在類似案件中 ‎不超過一億韓元的罰鍰 527 00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:05,381 ‎這次突然提高到三千億韓元 528 00:32:06,007 --> 00:32:09,677 ‎於是我們指出廣通委 ‎逾越及濫用裁量權 529 00:32:09,761 --> 00:32:12,055 ‎並提出了公平性的問題 530 00:32:15,808 --> 00:32:17,352 ‎我們會再想其他辦法 531 00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:19,938 ‎比如說呢? 532 00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:21,564 ‎我想主張廣通委的處分事由 533 00:32:22,148 --> 00:32:23,650 ‎與駭客之間 534 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:26,653 ‎沒有直接的因果關係 535 00:32:26,736 --> 00:32:29,197 ‎你應該知道泰山正在準備的集體訴訟 536 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,240 ‎是更重要的第二戰吧? 537 00:32:32,116 --> 00:32:33,159 ‎是,我知道 538 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:35,078 ‎這場訴訟必須勝訴 539 00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:37,330 ‎我們才能在集體訴訟中占上風 540 00:32:38,331 --> 00:32:41,876 ‎泰山要代表四千萬國民提告 ‎我已經很不樂見了 541 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,212 ‎如果到時候我們還敗訴… 542 00:32:47,674 --> 00:32:50,218 ‎拜託不要讓這種事成真,好嗎? 543 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:53,388 ‎好的,代表 544 00:32:53,471 --> 00:32:55,890 ‎我絕對不會讓這種事發生 545 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:57,475 ‎我會用盡一切辦法 546 00:32:58,059 --> 00:32:58,935 ‎贏得訴訟 547 00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:07,318 ‎“司法”跟“私法”的發音 ‎很重要嗎? 548 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:08,820 ‎那很重要嗎? 549 00:33:08,903 --> 00:33:09,904 ‎嗯? 550 00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:13,324 ‎天啊,崔秀妍律師,妳方言說得真溜 551 00:33:14,742 --> 00:33:17,120 ‎不管怎麼發音,聽得懂就好 552 00:33:17,203 --> 00:33:18,913 ‎妳幹嘛老是挑語病激怒人家? 553 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:22,583 ‎現在狀況不一樣 ‎我們不是在跟鄭明錫律師工作 554 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:24,460 ‎狀況不一樣? 555 00:33:25,086 --> 00:33:26,713 ‎是啊,當然不一樣 556 00:33:27,255 --> 00:33:29,382 ‎鄭明錫律師對妳… 557 00:33:30,216 --> 00:33:31,134 ‎怎麼說? 558 00:33:32,051 --> 00:33:33,344 ‎比較寬容 559 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:36,055 ‎他總是容忍妳講些有的沒的 ‎不會特別計較 560 00:33:37,765 --> 00:33:39,142 ‎“不說沒問的話 561 00:33:39,225 --> 00:33:40,643 ‎不做沒吩咐的事” 562 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:42,353 ‎沒錯,妳很清楚嘛 563 00:33:42,437 --> 00:33:43,938 ‎就是要這樣做 564 00:33:47,859 --> 00:33:48,818 ‎(張勝准律師) 565 00:33:49,944 --> 00:33:50,820 ‎是,張律師 566 00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:52,405 ‎好的 567 00:33:53,072 --> 00:33:54,073 ‎好 568 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,579 ‎-你要去哪? ‎-嗯? 569 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:01,372 ‎他叫我去找他一下 570 00:34:01,456 --> 00:34:02,874 ‎只找你一個? 571 00:34:02,957 --> 00:34:04,876 ‎-對啊 ‎-為什麼? 572 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:07,086 ‎我也不曉得,要去了才知道 573 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:20,600 ‎你覺得這樣夠嗎? 574 00:34:20,683 --> 00:34:22,935 ‎是不是應該在酒店訂個包廂? 575 00:34:23,978 --> 00:34:27,023 ‎試水溫不能做得太過火 576 00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:29,275 ‎每個人喜好不同 577 00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:32,028 ‎有些人對酒店包廂很反感 578 00:34:32,111 --> 00:34:33,029 ‎瞭解 579 00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:34,530 ‎那… 580 00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:38,201 ‎這個是不是也不應該今天給他? 581 00:34:42,663 --> 00:34:44,957 ‎唉唷,這個… 582 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,212 ‎還是先看一下待會的氣氛吧 583 00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:50,379 ‎好 584 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:51,923 ‎就是這裡 585 00:35:05,394 --> 00:35:07,396 ‎你這是在搞什麼? 586 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,525 ‎法官,就像我跟你說的… 587 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:13,486 ‎你不是跟我說某個 ‎有難處的河那大學後輩 588 00:35:13,569 --> 00:35:17,448 ‎想做點簡單的法律諮詢嗎? 589 00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:21,577 ‎你到底把我當什麼人了 ‎竟然做出這種事? 590 00:35:22,245 --> 00:35:26,499 ‎前輩,我確實就是 ‎有難處的河那大學後輩 591 00:35:27,166 --> 00:35:28,459 ‎請你給我五分鐘也好 592 00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,879 ‎求求你聽我說 593 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:39,720 ‎你這分明是在試圖進行不當請託 594 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,724 ‎這次我就當作沒發生,算你僥倖 595 00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:45,935 ‎以後不准再做這種事 596 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:49,897 ‎前輩 597 00:35:50,982 --> 00:35:51,899 ‎前輩! 598 00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:53,192 ‎審判長! 599 00:35:53,276 --> 00:35:54,110 ‎唉唷 600 00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:55,820 ‎審判長! 601 00:36:02,368 --> 00:36:03,536 ‎張律師 602 00:36:04,162 --> 00:36:06,038 ‎這下我該怎麼辦? 603 00:36:08,249 --> 00:36:10,293 ‎我該怎麼做才好? 604 00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:25,600 ‎原告 605 00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:28,853 ‎你們還有其他主張內容嗎? 606 00:36:40,823 --> 00:36:41,866 ‎這次… 607 00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:48,122 ‎崔秀妍律師,這次換妳去 608 00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:51,334 ‎喔,好 609 00:37:02,428 --> 00:37:04,972 ‎我們承認原告未於伺服器 610 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:09,018 ‎設定閒置逾時 ‎也就是最長連線時間限制 611 00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:12,605 ‎但這只是單純的違反程序 612 00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:15,233 ‎應屬最高三千萬韓元以下 ‎怠金的處分範圍 613 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,152 ‎不適用於三千億韓元的罰鍰處分 614 00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:23,491 ‎因為未設定閒置逾時和駭客攻擊 615 00:37:23,574 --> 00:37:25,159 ‎並沒有直接的因果關係 616 00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:28,663 ‎沒有直接的因果關係? 617 00:37:28,746 --> 00:37:29,830 ‎是的,庭上 618 00:37:30,748 --> 00:37:34,460 ‎駭客在崔振表先生電腦 ‎植入的惡意程式碼 619 00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:35,920 ‎含有鍵盤側錄程式 620 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:40,549 ‎駭客可以透過鍵盤側錄 ‎追蹤崔振表先生 621 00:37:40,633 --> 00:37:42,885 ‎透過鍵盤輸入的所有文字 622 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:45,972 ‎因此駭客拿到 ‎登入伺服器的帳號與密碼 623 00:37:46,055 --> 00:37:47,932 ‎也只是時間問題 624 00:37:48,015 --> 00:37:48,891 ‎也就是說 625 00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:52,979 ‎即便原告為伺服器 ‎設定了最長連線時間限制 626 00:37:53,062 --> 00:37:56,440 ‎一樣無法阻止用戶個資外流 627 00:37:56,524 --> 00:38:00,528 ‎被告對原告的主張有什麼看法? 628 00:38:01,487 --> 00:38:03,739 ‎即使最長連線時間限制設定與否 629 00:38:03,823 --> 00:38:07,326 ‎與個資外流沒有因果關係也無所謂 630 00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:10,705 ‎無論兩者之間有無因果關係 631 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:13,874 ‎羅溫都是罰鍰的處分對象 632 00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:17,003 ‎-什麼? ‎-沒有因果關係也無所謂? 633 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:19,547 ‎為什麼這麼說呢? 634 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,757 ‎因為駭客攻擊羅溫伺服器 635 00:38:21,841 --> 00:38:26,095 ‎使用戶個資外流 ‎是發生在2022年1月19日 636 00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:28,222 ‎《情報通信網法》 637 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,765 ‎已經進行了部分修訂 638 00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:35,187 ‎《促進情報通信網使用 ‎與資料保護等相關條例》 639 00:38:35,271 --> 00:38:38,107 ‎第64條之3,第一項第六號 640 00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,235 ‎修訂前如下… 641 00:38:41,319 --> 00:38:43,404 ‎“未設置個資保護措施 642 00:38:43,487 --> 00:38:44,572 ‎導致用戶個人資料 643 00:38:44,655 --> 00:38:47,533 ‎遺失、遭竊、外流 ‎偽造、變造或損毀之狀況” 644 00:38:48,242 --> 00:38:49,327 ‎沒錯 645 00:38:49,994 --> 00:38:52,496 ‎那麼修訂後的內容妳也知道嗎? 646 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:53,873 ‎“用戶個人資料 647 00:38:53,956 --> 00:38:56,584 ‎遺失、遭竊、外流 ‎偽造、變造或損毀時 648 00:38:56,667 --> 00:38:58,794 ‎未設置個資保護措施之狀況” 649 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:04,842 ‎這有什麼不一樣嗎? 650 00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:08,095 ‎不就只是語序改變而已嗎? 651 00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,263 ‎不是的 652 00:39:09,889 --> 00:39:10,890 ‎修訂前的意思 653 00:39:10,973 --> 00:39:14,101 ‎是在未設置個資保護措施的前提下 654 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,812 ‎導致用戶個人資料外流時 655 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:19,106 ‎須處以罰鍰 656 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:23,527 ‎也就是個資外流的原因必須是無作為 657 00:39:23,611 --> 00:39:26,447 ‎反之,修訂後的法條意思是 658 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:28,908 ‎在用戶個資外流的狀況當中 659 00:39:29,658 --> 00:39:33,037 ‎若未設置個資保護措施 660 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,039 ‎則須處以罰鍰 661 00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:39,794 ‎因此只要個資外流的結果 ‎與無作為的事實成立 662 00:39:39,877 --> 00:39:42,588 ‎兩者之間就不需要具備因果關係 663 00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:54,975 ‎被告代理人說得沒錯 664 00:39:55,935 --> 00:40:00,731 ‎以後合議庭對法律條文的 ‎解讀會更加謹慎 665 00:40:06,487 --> 00:40:07,321 ‎庭上 666 00:40:12,034 --> 00:40:15,079 ‎現在每天都有幾百萬名用戶 ‎退出羅溫的會員 667 00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,915 ‎正在準備集體訴訟的論壇 668 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:20,668 ‎也已經超過一千萬人參與 669 00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:23,629 ‎我們的用戶日漸減少 ‎損害賠償金額卻越來越高 670 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,466 ‎你們還要判三千億韓元罰鍰? 671 00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:31,303 ‎沒設定閒置逾時 ‎真的有錯得那麼離譜嗎? 672 00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:32,263 ‎我們真的… 673 00:40:35,474 --> 00:40:36,559 ‎我們真的 674 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,520 ‎一定要付出這麼大的代價嗎? 675 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:42,064 ‎請你先冷靜 676 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:45,359 ‎沒有任何一家公司 ‎比羅溫更致力於滿足顧客 677 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,405 ‎駭客故意要攻擊 ‎我們怎麼可能阻擋得了? 678 00:40:50,406 --> 00:40:52,491 ‎如果羅溫被冠上洩漏全國民 679 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:54,869 ‎個資的汙名,就這麼被摧毀… 680 00:40:56,787 --> 00:40:58,205 ‎我會很不甘心 681 00:40:59,039 --> 00:40:59,957 ‎我… 682 00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:02,751 ‎我真的… 683 00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:05,087 ‎嚥不下這口氣 684 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:13,596 ‎裴仁哲 685 00:41:18,517 --> 00:41:19,977 ‎喂,你吞了什麼? 686 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:21,896 ‎混帳,你給我吐出來,喂,裴仁哲 687 00:41:21,979 --> 00:41:23,689 ‎你在搞什麼?怎麼了?仁哲 688 00:41:31,697 --> 00:41:32,740 ‎仁哲! 689 00:41:34,408 --> 00:41:35,534 ‎快幫幫忙! 690 00:41:36,535 --> 00:41:37,369 ‎仁哲 691 00:41:37,953 --> 00:41:38,787 ‎裴仁哲 692 00:41:40,831 --> 00:41:42,791 ‎誰快來幫幫忙 693 00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:44,418 ‎你趕快去幫忙,快點 694 00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:47,671 ‎-仁哲 ‎-前輩 695 00:41:47,755 --> 00:41:49,298 ‎混帳,你快吐出來 696 00:41:49,381 --> 00:41:51,467 ‎有沒有人可以來幫幫忙? 697 00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:52,760 ‎快幫忙叫救護車! 698 00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:53,677 ‎喂,仁哲 699 00:41:53,761 --> 00:41:55,012 ‎他還好嗎? 700 00:41:55,095 --> 00:41:57,097 ‎快來幫幫忙! 701 00:41:58,057 --> 00:42:00,768 ‎仁哲… 702 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,917 ‎我們已經幫他做了急救措施 703 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,795 ‎接下來會持續觀察他的狀況 704 00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:30,756 ‎好,我可以再多待一會嗎? 705 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:33,467 ‎他爸媽都還沒來 706 00:42:34,969 --> 00:42:37,513 ‎我不放心留他一個人在這裡 707 00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:40,975 ‎這裡還有我和其他護理師會照顧他 708 00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:45,062 ‎當然,探病時間還沒結束 ‎你可以繼續留在這裡 709 00:42:55,573 --> 00:42:58,993 ‎(加護病房) 710 00:43:00,995 --> 00:43:03,205 ‎請問裴仁哲先生的狀況怎麼樣了? 711 00:43:03,872 --> 00:43:06,500 ‎你們是他的律師對吧? 712 00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:09,753 ‎目前我們已經幫他開了解毒劑 713 00:43:09,837 --> 00:43:12,881 ‎但他服下大量氰化鉀 714 00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:15,509 ‎所以復原狀況還要持續觀察 715 00:43:16,218 --> 00:43:18,804 ‎詳細狀況我會等他家屬來了 ‎再跟他們說明 716 00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:20,014 ‎謝謝 717 00:43:22,975 --> 00:43:25,394 ‎濬浩,你說外面很多記者對吧? 718 00:43:25,477 --> 00:43:26,478 ‎對 719 00:43:27,062 --> 00:43:30,858 ‎那你可能要先去把車開到正門 720 00:43:30,941 --> 00:43:33,819 ‎讓我們能立刻上車,別被記者攔住 721 00:43:33,902 --> 00:43:34,903 ‎好,我知道了 722 00:43:38,282 --> 00:43:39,617 ‎我們也走吧 723 00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:40,618 ‎好 724 00:43:50,377 --> 00:43:52,963 ‎那些記者都在等我們嗎? 725 00:43:53,964 --> 00:43:57,676 ‎他們應該是想知道 ‎羅溫的代表是生是死吧 726 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,137 ‎這種時候我們該怎麼做? 727 00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:01,972 ‎還能怎麼做? 728 00:44:02,056 --> 00:44:03,974 ‎當然要三緘其口,什麼都不能講 729 00:44:04,892 --> 00:44:05,768 ‎好了 730 00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:07,561 ‎走吧 731 00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,146 ‎嗯?好 732 00:44:21,325 --> 00:44:22,951 ‎你們是羅溫的律師吧? 733 00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:24,161 ‎請問裴仁哲狀況如何? 734 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,954 ‎下次開庭是什麼時候? 735 00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:27,998 ‎請問裴仁哲先生是真的服毒嗎? 736 00:44:28,082 --> 00:44:30,250 ‎他是怎麼將毒藥帶進法庭的? 737 00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:33,045 ‎請問裴仁哲先生服下的是什麼毒藥? 738 00:44:33,128 --> 00:44:35,005 ‎-麻煩說句話好嗎? ‎-請問他清醒了嗎? 739 00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:36,507 ‎快上車! 740 00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:38,717 ‎不好意思,借過一下,不好意思 741 00:44:38,801 --> 00:44:41,595 ‎-不好意思 ‎-不好意思,請你們讓開 742 00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:42,930 ‎-借過 ‎-借過一下 743 00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:44,848 ‎-請你們說明一下 ‎-張律師呢? 744 00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:48,394 ‎-他… ‎-快上車,快點!快來! 745 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:52,481 ‎-等等,喂,他怎麼… ‎-嗯? 746 00:44:52,564 --> 00:44:54,066 ‎-嗯? ‎-開車 747 00:44:54,149 --> 00:44:55,567 ‎那其他律師怎麼辦? 748 00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:58,529 ‎他們沒希望了,趕快開車! 749 00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:02,366 ‎-我們呢? ‎-我們還在這裡! 750 00:45:02,449 --> 00:45:03,826 ‎張勝准律師! 751 00:45:03,909 --> 00:45:04,785 ‎李濬浩! 752 00:45:04,868 --> 00:45:05,869 ‎我們要怎麼辦? 753 00:45:09,206 --> 00:45:10,416 ‎太卑鄙了 754 00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:12,334 ‎-我們快走 ‎-他背叛了我們 755 00:45:12,418 --> 00:45:13,836 ‎拜託借過一下 756 00:45:13,919 --> 00:45:14,878 ‎拜託! 757 00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:16,839 ‎謝謝 758 00:45:29,726 --> 00:45:30,769 ‎叩叩 759 00:45:32,729 --> 00:45:35,566 ‎來,下酒菜來了 760 00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:42,531 ‎不過這裡的客人怎麼只有我們? 761 00:45:42,614 --> 00:45:44,908 ‎這樣才能方便你們談話啊 762 00:45:44,992 --> 00:45:48,662 ‎算是我給熟客的特別待遇 763 00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:51,748 ‎除了她,這裡本來就沒客人 764 00:45:51,832 --> 00:45:53,292 ‎太奇怪了吧 765 00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:56,795 ‎你的料理都很好吃啊 766 00:45:56,879 --> 00:45:58,589 ‎尤其是這個魚板湯 767 00:45:58,672 --> 00:46:00,174 ‎-天啊,毛怪老闆 ‎-嗯? 768 00:46:00,257 --> 00:46:02,301 ‎他說你的魚板湯好喝,歡呼聲! 769 00:46:02,968 --> 00:46:04,094 ‎那這就請你們吃 770 00:46:04,636 --> 00:46:06,555 ‎老闆請的比菜單上更貴 771 00:46:06,638 --> 00:46:07,681 ‎我再去準備多一點 772 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:09,641 ‎他樂歪了 773 00:46:10,225 --> 00:46:11,185 ‎那個… 774 00:46:18,775 --> 00:46:23,447 ‎對了,張勝准律師找你去說了什麼? 775 00:46:24,156 --> 00:46:25,324 ‎妳說上次啊? 776 00:46:26,825 --> 00:46:28,619 ‎沒什麼啊 777 00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:30,245 ‎真的嗎? 778 00:46:30,746 --> 00:46:33,707 ‎我還以為你們河那大學的聚在一起 ‎是想策劃什麼陰謀 779 00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:37,044 ‎崔秀妍律師,妳有很嚴重的偏見耶 780 00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:39,838 ‎難道首爾大學的 ‎聚在一起就是集思廣益 781 00:46:39,922 --> 00:46:41,924 ‎河那大學的聚在一起 ‎就是圖謀不軌嗎? 782 00:46:42,007 --> 00:46:44,009 ‎你扯到哪裡去了? 783 00:46:44,092 --> 00:46:44,927 ‎是妳先… 784 00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:47,387 ‎因果關係是法律的大原則 785 00:46:48,514 --> 00:46:49,932 ‎妳在講案件的事嗎? 786 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:52,935 ‎“《刑法》第17條,因果關係 787 00:46:53,018 --> 00:46:56,563 ‎任何與引發危險 ‎構成犯罪要素無關之行為 788 00:46:56,647 --> 00:46:58,857 ‎皆不因結果予以責罰” 789 00:46:58,941 --> 00:47:01,777 ‎這其實不只適用於《刑法》 ‎《民法》也一樣啊 790 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:04,363 ‎那行政罰也應該這樣才對 791 00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:06,240 ‎羅溫的行為與個資外流 792 00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:09,493 ‎不存在因果關係 ‎卻還要處以高額罰鍰 793 00:47:09,576 --> 00:47:11,370 ‎這樣不符合法律的大原則 794 00:47:11,453 --> 00:47:14,831 ‎可是就算我們這樣主張 795 00:47:14,915 --> 00:47:16,416 ‎只要對造律師說這場訴訟 796 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:18,835 ‎不是為了討論 ‎《情報通信網法》的合理性 797 00:47:18,919 --> 00:47:20,754 ‎那我們也無法反駁啊 798 00:47:20,837 --> 00:47:23,006 ‎我們又不是要申請法律違憲審查 799 00:47:23,715 --> 00:47:24,758 ‎對啊 800 00:47:24,841 --> 00:47:27,135 ‎那個駭客怎麼偏偏挑那天攻擊啊? 801 00:47:27,219 --> 00:47:29,888 ‎要是早個一天,就只會有怠金處分 802 00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,017 ‎“早個一天”? 803 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,241 ‎《情報通信網法》 804 00:47:49,324 --> 00:47:51,618 ‎第64條之3,第一項第六號 805 00:47:51,702 --> 00:47:53,745 ‎於2022年1月19日修訂 806 00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:57,249 ‎駭客入侵羅溫伺服器竊取用戶個資 807 00:47:57,332 --> 00:47:59,126 ‎也是在2022年1月19日 808 00:47:59,209 --> 00:48:01,169 ‎嗯,然後呢?怎麼樣? 809 00:48:01,253 --> 00:48:04,172 ‎駭客寄電子郵件 ‎給崔振表先生時是幾月幾日? 810 00:48:05,882 --> 00:48:09,720 ‎是2022年1月18日晚上11點14分 811 00:48:09,803 --> 00:48:13,181 ‎而崔振表先生看到信件後 ‎下載附加檔案的時間 812 00:48:13,265 --> 00:48:16,476 ‎是2022年1月18日晚上11點48分 813 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,729 ‎等等,所以… 814 00:48:19,313 --> 00:48:20,397 ‎駭客攻擊開始的時間 815 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,026 ‎是在《情報通信網法》修訂的前一天 816 00:48:28,655 --> 00:48:33,243 ‎妳這是在開什麼玩笑? 817 00:48:33,327 --> 00:48:36,455 ‎審判長已經不是很喜歡我們了 818 00:48:36,538 --> 00:48:39,333 ‎妳還要我拿這種 ‎荒謬的歪理去法庭上講? 819 00:48:39,958 --> 00:48:41,960 ‎這不是荒謬的歪理 820 00:48:42,044 --> 00:48:44,796 ‎根據《行政基本法》 ‎第14條第一項規定 821 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,506 ‎當事人可以請求依據 822 00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,675 ‎違規行為當下的法律進行處分 823 00:48:51,136 --> 00:48:55,682 ‎我也知道《行政基本法》第14條 824 00:48:56,266 --> 00:48:58,226 ‎但那只適用於 825 00:48:58,310 --> 00:49:02,522 ‎在新訂法條生效前 ‎完成或結束的事實關係 826 00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:04,900 ‎而以羅溫的狀況來說 827 00:49:04,983 --> 00:49:08,695 ‎或許駭客攻擊的開始時間 ‎是在新法生效前 828 00:49:09,196 --> 00:49:13,617 ‎但個資外流的行為 ‎卻是結束於新法生效後 829 00:49:14,201 --> 00:49:15,077 ‎不是嗎? 830 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,788 ‎但這還是有討論的空間 831 00:49:17,871 --> 00:49:20,957 ‎根據《行政基本法》第14條第三項 832 00:49:21,041 --> 00:49:23,543 ‎即使案件適用修訂前的舊法 833 00:49:23,627 --> 00:49:26,254 ‎但若依據新法裁處可以減輕處分強度 834 00:49:26,338 --> 00:49:28,215 ‎那麼該案件就適用新法 835 00:49:28,298 --> 00:49:31,385 ‎以羅溫的案件來說 ‎依據修訂前的舊法裁處 836 00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:33,220 ‎對原告比較有利 837 00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:35,806 ‎因此可能根據審判長的判斷 ‎有一些彈性的… 838 00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:37,307 ‎真是的,我叫妳別再說了! 839 00:49:44,314 --> 00:49:45,524 ‎禹英禑律師 840 00:49:46,233 --> 00:49:49,111 ‎妳有這麼瞭解法律嗎? 841 00:49:50,028 --> 00:49:52,906 ‎妳憑什麼教我怎麼做啊? 842 00:49:53,949 --> 00:49:56,034 ‎既然妳這麼厲害,就自己處理吧! 843 00:50:04,209 --> 00:50:06,795 ‎從今天起,禹英禑律師 ‎不用參與這樁案件了 844 00:50:13,677 --> 00:50:15,971 ‎妳還站在這幹嘛?馬上給我出去! 845 00:50:21,476 --> 00:50:23,186 ‎等一下,張勝准律師 846 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:24,438 ‎妳又想說什麼? 847 00:50:24,521 --> 00:50:26,732 ‎對!我是張勝准,怎樣? 848 00:50:27,399 --> 00:50:28,567 ‎沒事 849 00:50:29,151 --> 00:50:30,360 ‎我們先出去了 850 00:50:30,944 --> 00:50:31,945 ‎再怎麼… 851 00:50:41,163 --> 00:50:42,205 ‎你幹嘛? 852 00:50:42,289 --> 00:50:44,124 ‎你這麼想奉承他就自己去 853 00:50:44,207 --> 00:50:46,585 ‎幹嘛還不讓我說話? 854 00:50:46,668 --> 00:50:49,171 ‎我們以後要共事的資深律師 855 00:50:49,254 --> 00:50:50,964 ‎不是每個都像鄭明錫律師一樣 856 00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,133 ‎我們也要學著配合他們的處事風格 857 00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:54,968 ‎要學你自己去學 858 00:50:55,051 --> 00:50:56,970 ‎現在英禑都莫名其妙被趕走了 859 00:50:57,053 --> 00:50:59,014 ‎我們跟禹英禑律師不一樣 860 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:00,640 ‎這點妳還不懂嗎? 861 00:51:01,349 --> 00:51:02,476 ‎你說什麼? 862 00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:04,060 ‎禹英禑律師 863 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:06,521 ‎她是天才 864 00:51:08,482 --> 00:51:11,318 ‎她就算因為一意孤行 ‎被排除在案件之外 865 00:51:11,401 --> 00:51:14,070 ‎大家也會理解她 ‎認為那是天才怪胎的執著 866 00:51:14,154 --> 00:51:15,864 ‎但我們不一樣 867 00:51:15,947 --> 00:51:17,657 ‎我們要是跟她一樣固執 868 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,701 ‎就只會被認為是 ‎無法迎合前輩的問題人物 869 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:22,078 ‎被當成難以共事的後輩 870 00:51:27,334 --> 00:51:28,752 ‎你說的都對 871 00:51:30,337 --> 00:51:32,756 ‎雖然很令人氣憤,但你說的都對 872 00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:38,762 ‎可是哪怕一下子也好 ‎你就不能當一次傻瓜嗎? 873 00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:43,934 ‎傻瓜? 874 00:51:44,518 --> 00:51:46,019 ‎為了你的同事 875 00:51:46,102 --> 00:51:47,771 ‎為了你覺得正確的事 876 00:51:47,854 --> 00:51:49,689 ‎你就不能稍微放下那些鉤心鬥角 877 00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:51,566 ‎像個傻瓜勇敢一次嗎? 878 00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:52,526 ‎我… 879 00:51:53,151 --> 00:51:55,028 ‎我為什麼要這樣做? 880 00:51:55,111 --> 00:51:56,363 ‎因為… 881 00:52:00,408 --> 00:52:02,244 ‎我喜歡那種男人 882 00:52:52,377 --> 00:52:53,461 ‎禹律師 883 00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:56,673 ‎是 884 00:52:59,426 --> 00:53:00,969 ‎為什麼我們不能在一起? 885 00:53:03,388 --> 00:53:05,390 ‎我們到底為什麼要分手? 886 00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:09,144 ‎我想了又想 887 00:53:11,688 --> 00:53:13,481 ‎但就是想不透 888 00:53:21,323 --> 00:53:22,407 ‎我… 889 00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:28,788 ‎不確定自己是不是能夠 890 00:53:28,872 --> 00:53:30,373 ‎帶給你幸福 891 00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:35,086 ‎我覺得自己好像只是個 ‎需要你照顧的人 892 00:53:39,966 --> 00:53:41,217 ‎妳是不是… 893 00:53:44,888 --> 00:53:47,098 ‎聽到我姐姐 894 00:53:48,433 --> 00:53:49,684 ‎對我說的話了? 895 00:53:52,938 --> 00:53:54,397 ‎是這個原因嗎? 896 00:53:58,026 --> 00:53:59,569 ‎禹律師 897 00:54:01,029 --> 00:54:03,281 ‎我只要跟妳待在一起就很幸福 898 00:54:04,074 --> 00:54:07,452 ‎如果我要幸福,就不能沒有妳 899 00:54:09,621 --> 00:54:11,623 ‎可是你跟我在一起的時候 900 00:54:12,457 --> 00:54:14,417 ‎都沒有覺得孤單過嗎? 901 00:54:20,882 --> 00:54:24,177 ‎我的世界總是會以自我為中心 902 00:54:25,303 --> 00:54:28,098 ‎所以經常讓身邊的人感到孤單 903 00:54:29,808 --> 00:54:33,687 ‎讓別人孤單的時候,我甚至毫無自覺 904 00:54:34,896 --> 00:54:37,649 ‎也不知道該怎麼做才能避免那種情況 905 00:54:39,150 --> 00:54:40,235 ‎我… 906 00:54:42,529 --> 00:54:44,406 ‎雖然喜歡你 907 00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:48,868 ‎但是 908 00:54:50,412 --> 00:54:52,872 ‎我沒有把握能讓你 909 00:54:54,833 --> 00:54:56,001 ‎不感到孤單 910 00:55:35,290 --> 00:55:36,624 ‎妳在那裡幹嘛? 911 00:55:37,208 --> 00:55:39,044 ‎我想說跟英禑打聲招呼再走 912 00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:40,045 ‎打招呼? 913 00:55:40,962 --> 00:55:43,089 ‎妳是想提醒我們要丟下她 ‎自己去開庭嗎? 914 00:55:43,173 --> 00:55:46,384 ‎你要走就快走,別管我要不要打招呼 915 00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:49,179 ‎趕快出來,拖拖拉拉的小心遲到 916 00:55:54,726 --> 00:55:55,643 ‎請進 917 00:55:58,146 --> 00:55:59,022 ‎禹英禑 918 00:56:00,523 --> 00:56:03,109 ‎我出發囉,今天羅溫的官司要開庭 919 00:56:05,361 --> 00:56:06,196 ‎好 920 00:56:07,113 --> 00:56:09,032 ‎要不要順便幫妳買點什麼回來? 921 00:56:09,115 --> 00:56:11,826 ‎今天別吃禹英禑飯捲了 ‎吃崔秀妍飯捲如何? 922 00:56:12,452 --> 00:56:14,204 ‎沒有崔秀妍飯捲吧 923 00:56:16,372 --> 00:56:17,373 ‎是沒有 924 00:56:18,166 --> 00:56:19,042 ‎那我走囉 925 00:56:20,001 --> 00:56:21,044 ‎嗯 926 00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:32,365 ‎加上被害人們 927 00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:37,036 ‎目前正在準備大規模的 ‎損害賠償請求訴訟 928 00:57:37,579 --> 00:57:41,624 ‎這無疑對原告造成了 ‎難以承受的精神壓力 929 00:57:42,167 --> 00:57:43,293 ‎當然 930 00:57:43,376 --> 00:57:46,045 ‎基於個資外流案件 931 00:57:46,129 --> 00:57:48,423 ‎必須同時負公法及私法責任的特性… 932 00:57:48,506 --> 00:57:50,967 ‎私法的重音要放在後面 933 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,679 ‎什麼? 934 00:57:54,762 --> 00:57:56,931 ‎提到公法、私法的時候 935 00:57:57,015 --> 00:57:59,309 ‎私法的重音要放在後面 936 00:57:59,392 --> 00:58:03,021 ‎你那麼說會變成截然不同的意思 937 00:58:03,813 --> 00:58:04,981 ‎好的 938 00:58:05,064 --> 00:58:06,399 ‎繼續吧 939 00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:08,526 ‎是 940 00:58:09,694 --> 00:58:10,904 ‎我剛才說… 941 00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:14,073 ‎沒事 942 00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:15,408 ‎不好意思 943 00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,327 ‎我會改進 944 00:58:37,096 --> 00:58:38,056 ‎不好意思 945 00:58:40,266 --> 00:58:41,184 ‎庭上 946 00:58:41,267 --> 00:58:42,519 ‎《情報通信網法》 947 00:58:42,602 --> 00:58:44,979 ‎第64條之3,第一項第六號 948 00:58:45,063 --> 00:58:48,441 ‎經過修訂後,於2022年1月19日生效 949 00:58:48,525 --> 00:58:52,195 ‎而駭客也是在同一天 ‎入侵原告的伺服器 950 00:58:52,278 --> 00:58:55,365 ‎但駭客將含有惡意程式碼的電子郵件 951 00:58:55,448 --> 00:58:57,825 ‎寄給資料庫管理員崔振表 952 00:58:57,909 --> 00:59:01,037 ‎則是在前一天的2022年1月18日 953 00:59:02,163 --> 00:59:03,164 ‎所以呢? 954 00:59:03,665 --> 00:59:06,167 ‎妳想表達什麼? 955 00:59:06,251 --> 00:59:07,835 ‎駭客攻擊的行為 956 00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,964 ‎是始於《情報通信網法》 ‎修訂版生效的前一天 957 00:59:16,803 --> 00:59:20,390 ‎“於新訂法條生效前 958 00:59:20,473 --> 00:59:24,102 ‎完成或結束之事實關係 ‎不適用新訂法條” 959 00:59:24,185 --> 00:59:26,437 ‎根據此《行政基本法》第14條之規定 960 00:59:26,521 --> 00:59:27,730 ‎原告 961 00:59:27,814 --> 00:59:29,857 ‎應適用修訂前的《情報通信網法》 962 00:59:29,941 --> 00:59:32,610 ‎屬於怠金處分對象,而非罰鍰 963 00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:35,238 ‎崔秀妍律師,妳在做什麼? 964 00:59:35,321 --> 00:59:37,490 ‎妳沒看到我在進行最終結辯嗎? 965 00:59:37,574 --> 00:59:40,243 ‎好了,妳以為這樣做 ‎禹律師就會開心嗎? 966 00:59:40,326 --> 00:59:41,703 ‎我不是為了英禑 967 00:59:41,786 --> 00:59:43,288 ‎而是我覺得應該這麼做 968 00:59:43,371 --> 00:59:48,710 ‎庭上,駭客攻擊的行為 ‎或許是始於1月18日 969 00:59:48,793 --> 00:59:52,088 ‎但個資外流則是在1月19日發生 970 00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:55,425 ‎也就是修訂版 ‎《情報通信網法》生效後 971 00:59:55,508 --> 00:59:57,760 ‎請問被告代理人是用什麼基準 972 00:59:57,844 --> 01:00:00,555 ‎來區分駭客攻擊與個資外流的界線? 973 01:00:00,638 --> 01:00:04,392 ‎竊賊入侵家中那一刻 ‎不就已經開始竊盜行為了嗎? 974 01:00:04,475 --> 01:00:05,893 ‎崔秀妍 975 01:00:05,977 --> 01:00:08,605 ‎妳再多講一句話 ‎我就讓妳退出這樁案件,聽懂沒? 976 01:00:09,647 --> 01:00:13,443 ‎庭上,原告代理人所提出的辯駁依據 977 01:00:13,526 --> 01:00:15,695 ‎《行政基本法》第14條 978 01:00:16,487 --> 01:00:18,364 ‎僅適用於 979 01:00:18,448 --> 01:00:22,869 ‎在新訂法條生效前 ‎完成或結束之事實關係 980 01:00:22,952 --> 01:00:24,954 ‎審判長不應考慮駭客攻擊時間點 981 01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:29,584 ‎請以個資外流結束的時間點 ‎為基準進行裁決 982 01:00:29,667 --> 01:00:30,501 ‎庭… 983 01:00:31,169 --> 01:00:32,211 ‎放開我 984 01:00:32,295 --> 01:00:35,548 ‎根據《行政基本法》第14條第三項 985 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:37,467 ‎即使案件適用修訂前的舊法 986 01:00:37,550 --> 01:00:40,053 ‎但若依據新法裁處能減輕處分強度 987 01:00:40,136 --> 01:00:42,138 ‎那麼該案件就適用新法 988 01:00:43,306 --> 01:00:44,515 ‎就本案而言 989 01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:46,267 ‎採用修訂前之舊法 990 01:00:46,351 --> 01:00:47,894 ‎對原告較為有利 991 01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:51,522 ‎所謂罪疑唯輕原則 992 01:00:51,606 --> 01:00:54,484 ‎並非只適用於《刑法》 993 01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:56,944 ‎懇請審判長以寬大的胸懷 994 01:00:57,028 --> 01:00:59,614 ‎體諒原告的難處 995 01:01:11,250 --> 01:01:13,127 ‎真是有趣的論點 996 01:01:13,795 --> 01:01:16,631 ‎本庭會審慎考慮再行判決 997 01:01:21,469 --> 01:01:22,470 ‎謝謝審判長 998 01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:24,097 ‎我方陳述完畢 999 01:01:46,994 --> 01:01:48,621 ‎(禹英禑飯捲) 1000 01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:51,958 ‎汪洋員工的會員卡可以入住 1001 01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:53,751 ‎全國各地的一些度假村 1002 01:01:53,835 --> 01:01:55,795 ‎你們可以選擇任何想去的地方 1003 01:01:56,754 --> 01:01:59,340 ‎你就帶著英禑 ‎去好好休息一、兩個月吧 1004 01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:01,551 ‎就當作是放有薪假 1005 01:02:04,429 --> 01:02:06,305 ‎真的非這麼做不可嗎? 1006 01:02:06,889 --> 01:02:08,933 ‎目前我還能擋下來 1007 01:02:10,226 --> 01:02:12,311 ‎但只要新聞一曝光 1008 01:02:12,395 --> 01:02:14,439 ‎那些記者一定也會來圍堵禹律師 1009 01:02:16,441 --> 01:02:19,026 ‎你們就先去避避風頭吧 1010 01:02:19,110 --> 01:02:21,237 ‎等風波過去再讓她回汪洋復職就好 1011 01:02:24,031 --> 01:02:25,032 ‎復職? 1012 01:02:26,993 --> 01:02:28,661 ‎把她是太守美私生女的事 1013 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:31,706 ‎昭告天下後再讓她回汪洋復職? 1014 01:02:33,332 --> 01:02:34,792 ‎她帶著這種標籤 1015 01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:37,503 ‎還有辦法好好工作嗎? 1016 01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:41,048 ‎不是啊 1017 01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:44,719 ‎你明明說過可以允許一次的 1018 01:02:46,471 --> 01:02:49,599 ‎你說會給我一次 ‎利用禹律師來打擊太守美的機會 1019 01:02:50,266 --> 01:02:51,893 ‎當初你說這是我給她工作的代價 1020 01:02:51,976 --> 01:02:53,561 ‎現在為什麼反悔了? 1021 01:02:57,023 --> 01:02:58,107 ‎宣榮 1022 01:02:59,567 --> 01:03:00,860 ‎沒有別的辦法了嗎? 1023 01:03:02,653 --> 01:03:06,199 ‎除了在媒體上曝光 ‎真的沒有其他辦法了嗎? 1024 01:03:09,535 --> 01:03:11,329 ‎我也考慮過很多次了 1025 01:03:13,581 --> 01:03:15,249 ‎但就目前而言 1026 01:03:16,959 --> 01:03:19,212 ‎這是我能保護你和禹律師的 1027 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,547 ‎最好做法 1028 01:03:46,948 --> 01:03:50,493 ‎因為沒有擋下駭客攻擊 ‎導致四千萬筆個資外流的 1029 01:03:50,576 --> 01:03:52,078 ‎電商平臺羅溫 1030 01:03:52,161 --> 01:03:54,455 ‎向廣播通信委員會提告 1031 01:03:54,539 --> 01:03:58,626 ‎請求取消三千億韓元罰鍰的 ‎附加處分,獲得勝訴 1032 01:03:58,709 --> 01:04:02,338 ‎首爾行政法院認定 ‎由於羅溫沒有為個資處理系統 1033 01:04:02,421 --> 01:04:07,426 ‎設定最長連線時間限制等因素 ‎在存取控制的部分確實有所疏漏 1034 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:10,888 ‎但考慮到這並非 ‎直接導致個資外流的原因 1035 01:04:10,972 --> 01:04:12,849 ‎因此判定原告勝訴 1036 01:04:12,932 --> 01:04:16,435 ‎另一方面,在開庭時服毒 ‎失去意識倒下的 1037 01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:18,938 ‎羅溫共同代表裴仁哲 1038 01:04:19,021 --> 01:04:21,148 ‎送醫後持續進行治療 1039 01:04:21,232 --> 01:04:24,235 ‎但經證實目前仍在昏迷當中 1040 01:04:25,236 --> 01:04:27,280 ‎裴仁哲先生在法庭上控訴 1041 01:04:27,363 --> 01:04:30,825 ‎“沒有任何一家公司 ‎比羅溫更致力於滿足顧客 1042 01:04:30,908 --> 01:04:34,662 ‎駭客故意要攻擊 ‎我們怎麼可能阻擋得了?” 1043 01:04:34,745 --> 01:04:37,707 ‎表達完心中的不平後 ‎便拿出事先準備的毒藥… 1044 01:04:48,426 --> 01:04:51,929 ‎您撥的電話未開機,將轉接語音信箱 1045 01:04:52,013 --> 01:04:54,432 ‎嗶聲後開始計費 1046 01:04:55,516 --> 01:04:58,352 ‎哥,我剛剛看到新聞了 1047 01:04:59,770 --> 01:05:01,314 ‎仁哲哥還沒醒嗎? 1048 01:05:01,814 --> 01:05:03,274 ‎你不是跟我說他沒事 1049 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:05,735 ‎已經醒過來了嗎? 1050 01:05:06,235 --> 01:05:08,446 ‎哥,你接一下我的電話 1051 01:05:08,946 --> 01:05:11,449 ‎別逼我也去駭出你的位置 1052 01:05:12,700 --> 01:05:13,826 ‎快接我… 1053 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,041 ‎怎麼了? 1054 01:05:20,833 --> 01:05:21,918 ‎還怎麼了? 1055 01:05:22,585 --> 01:05:24,420 ‎媽今天難得早早下班 1056 01:05:24,503 --> 01:05:26,422 ‎一起吃飯吧,快出來 1057 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,407 ‎你為什麼要來找我? 1058 01:05:53,491 --> 01:05:55,576 ‎因為我覺得 ‎妳不會按照我媽的指示行事 1059 01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:56,535 ‎我? 1060 01:05:56,619 --> 01:06:00,081 ‎我只會對妳的決定感到好奇而已 1061 01:06:00,164 --> 01:06:05,044 ‎我去找太守美律師 ‎請她同意讓崔尚賢出庭作證 1062 01:06:05,127 --> 01:06:08,339 ‎妳要怎麼說服太守美律師? 1063 01:06:08,422 --> 01:06:11,217 ‎人事聽證會就要開始了 ‎她有可能見妳嗎? 1064 01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:13,761 ‎對我而言,妳不是個好媽媽 1065 01:06:13,844 --> 01:06:15,680 ‎但請妳至少 1066 01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:18,099 ‎成為崔尚賢心目中的好媽媽 1067 01:06:18,808 --> 01:06:23,312 ‎字幕翻譯:吳盈臻