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Emergency services…

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Yeah, can you send
an ambulance to the rue du Tilleul?

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We found an individual

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with his hands and feet tied.
He was gagged with duct tape

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and his head was smashed in.

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Is the person conscious?

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Yeah, so far, he is,
but he's in really bad shape.

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He says he was kidnapped in Germany.

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He’s wanted for voluntary manslaughter.

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Voluntary manslaughter?

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For a while now.

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The case dates back
to almost thirty years ago,

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when a 14-year-old French girl,
Kalinka, was killed in the 1980s.

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There's been an unexpected development…

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A father, who fought that fight.

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This is a father
who never gave up fighting.

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He knew where his daughter's killer lived.

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And I had a plan to help him.

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Straight up.

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What are you gonna do?

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What would you do as a father?

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What are you willing to do for your child?

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LINDAU
GERMANY

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JULY 10, 1982

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It was early morning.

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The red telephone rang.

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I answered it.

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They mentioned an "unconscious person"
and gave the address.

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My immediate thought was:

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WALTRAUD MAYER
PARAMEDIC

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"Hopefully, it’s not Krombach’s home."

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"He’s a doctor,
why do we have to go there?"

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He burst out running,

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saying, "I think it’s too late."

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And he took us to the room,

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and there laid the girl, dead.

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Kalinka. His stepdaughter.

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He was both agitated and collected.

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The mother, on the other hand, was crying.

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She was completely devastated.

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My immediate thought was
that rigor mortis had already set in.

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As I was walking out, I noticed

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that the girl
had a hypodermic needle in her arm.

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I asked Krombach:
"So, what did you inject?"

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And he said, "Calcium."
He thought calcium would help.

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"She was in the sun all day."

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And he was adamant

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that "she died from the heat."

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That’s what he said.

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A tragic case.

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It continued to bother me.

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I wanted to know how the girl had died.

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It wasn’t a natural death.

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I thought something wasn't right.

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On July 10th, 1982,

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in the morning, her mom called me

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to break the news to me
that Kalinka had died.

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ANDRÉ BAMBERSKI
KALINKA'S FATHER

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She told me Kalinka had suffered
from a heatstroke.

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I was absolutely devastated,
I was stunned.

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I arrived in Germany at night.

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The next day,
I drove my car to the hospital.

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I saw Kalinka’s face.

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Kalinka was adorable. She was…

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her parents' little darling.

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She was so lovely.

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From an early age, she was always smiling.

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Kalinka was named

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after a flower

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from the Masurian woods.

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Also, in Polish, it’s…

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it’s a word that sounds great.

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What I mean is that there's…
a musical quality to it.

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I prayed

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for her soul to be at rest.

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And then I left.

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The next day, at her mother's house,

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I went to see Nicolas.

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He was only about 11 or 12 at the time.

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He's the one who told me

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that they had spent
the day as they usually did.

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Kalinka hadn't been overly exhausted.

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It was only then that I started

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to have this feeling
that something was not quite right.

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The death of a young girl
who was in perfect health, in great shape…

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I didn't understand.

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I tried to understand
the heatstroke theory.

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It was warm and sunny in Lindau,
about 29 to 30 degrees C.

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But,

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compared to Toulouse, it wasn't very hot.

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It was indeed difficult

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to believe certain details.

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BAMBERSKI FAMILY

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Her mom suggested
we bury her in Pechbusque.

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I think it was on the day of the burial

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that rumors began to spread

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suggesting that Kalinka
had died due to some type of drug.

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I'm Elisabeth Aragon,
André Bamberski's neighbor.

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We greeted him at the funeral.

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That's all we could do.

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I talked about it
with my neighbors who told me:

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"Rumor has it that she died

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of an injection

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that her stepfather had given her
to help her tan."

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That's the explanation
I was given at the time.

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An intravenous injection to make her tan?

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Did you find those rumors upsetting?

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Yes, they were, but well,

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since there had been an autopsy…

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I believe it was as I was about to leave
that I asked her mom

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to send me a copy of the autopsy report.

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Maybe a week or two later,

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l kinda blew up at her.

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I was mad I hadn’t received
the autopsy report.

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When did you start suspecting
Mr. Krombach?

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In early October 1982.

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When I read the autopsy report…

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The report I received was all in German.

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So, I had it translated.

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It mentioned

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that 400cl of the food Kalinka
had eaten in the evening

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went back up from her stomach
all the way to her trachea,

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and then, down into her lungs.
She suffocated.

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Even I, who knew nothing
about medicine or autopsies,

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when I read it,

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it was obvious to me

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that Kalinka died from regurgitation

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and not from a heatstroke.

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But both medical examiners

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refused to specify
the cause of death in writing.

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I wanted to clear things up with the mom.

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She told me she hadn't read
the autopsy report!

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Why?

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There were also all those anomalies.

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There were sexual anomalies.

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That is to say, anomalies
that are obvious to most people:

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a tear on the right lip of the vulva,

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Failure to establish
whether or not there had been

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any sexual intercourse prior to her death…

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To me, it was obvious. I knew it:

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"This is really fishy."

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I'm Alexandre Parra-Bruguière.
I took up this case as a lawyer in 2010,

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when Kalinka Bamberski's mom

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hired me as a prosecutor.

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At the funeral, she already felt
that Mr. Bamberski was intent

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on making her look like the accomplice
in her daughter's murder.

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He wanted to know what happened
and she was fine with Krombach’s version.

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She had no clue about medicine,
she was married to a doctor.

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She just took Dieter Krombach's
explanations for granted.

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She never suspected a criminal act.

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Of course.

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The police chief asked him
five questions over the phone.

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Mr. Krombach jotted them down
and he replied in writing from his home.

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BECAUSE I WAS OVERWORKED,
THEY ALLOWED ME TO ANSWER IN WRITING.

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They didn't even investigate!

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They never even called in Mr. Krombach

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for oral questioning.

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He wrote, "I first prepared
250mg of Solu Decortin

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to fight the state of shock."

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"I also tried to perform
injections into the heart."

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I wanted more details
about what really happened.

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So, we filed an appeal

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with the Public Prosecutor’s Office
in Munich.

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MEDICAL EXAMINER

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My name is Wolfgang Eisenmenger.

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At the institute in Munich,

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we received a piece of skin,

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identified as the injection site
on the arm.

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And toxicologically,
we did not find any poisoning

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that could be the cause of death.

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What do you think of the injections

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Krombach gave Kalinka
to try to revive her?

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250MG INJECTION

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Yes, for a doctor,
I must say, it’s unusual

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to make assertions like these.

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Dr. Krombach claimed in his hearing

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that when he found the girl

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in her bed, rigor mortis had set in.

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Once rigor mortis has set in,

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it is absolutely
pointless to attempt resuscitation.

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Something is wrong,
this man isn't telling the truth.

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But, regarding this girl’s cause of death,

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it wasn't pushed any further.

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It wasn't enough evidence
to prove he killed her,

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to prove beyond any doubt
that he killed her intentionally.

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It was a matter
of maintaining the credibility

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of the judicial expertise.

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My name is Patricia Jolly,
I'm a journalist.

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Before Kalinka's death,

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the Krombachs were a blended family

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where everyone seemed to be doing great:

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Kalinka Bamberski and her brother Nicolas,

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and Krombach's son and daughter,
Boris and Diana.

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Krombach's first wife died
at the age of 24.

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Kalinka’s mother did not speak German,

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she deeply trusted Dieter Krombach.

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She was convinced he did nothing wrong.

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She said he was a good father

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and that she had never seen
any inappropriate behavior from him

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towards her daughter.

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Dieter Krombach was a nice guy,
he likes to laugh,

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he had this zest for life,

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and the German justice system
didn’t take up the case.

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He was this handsome doctor
in a white coat…

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Few people
get to have discussions with doctors…

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Mr. Bamberski was a chartered accountant.

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He's a very serious man,
a rather austere man.

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He’d experienced
betrayal, his wife had left him.

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She divorced Mr. Bamberski.

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André Bamberski likes
to see things through.

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Everything becomes an obsession.

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Things must be done properly,
everything must be neat and tidy.

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He has this consistency, this tenacity…
to the point of obsession.

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In June 1983,

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I wrote to the prosecutor

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to ask him about the next steps
in the investigation.

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And he replied

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that Kalinka had died of natural causes,

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and that no further investigation
was necessary.

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In other words:
"Move on, nothing to see here."

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This was very tough on me.

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I wrote a leaflet.

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I printed out 5,000 copies of it.

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And I went to Lindau.

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My goal was to make it public.

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It was the day of the beer festival.

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There were a lot of people on the street:

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30,000 to 50,000 people.

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So, I handed out the leaflets.

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I'll read you a few excerpts:

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"You must know
that a criminal lives in Lindau:

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a medical doctor, Dr. Krombach."

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"He killed my beautiful daughter Kalinka."

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"Also, allusions in the medical report

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suggesting a sex act

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have been ignored. Why?"

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"I publicly demand
that justice finally be done."

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I also went
to the cafes' patios, to the stores,

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to all the people who were there.

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And Diana, Krombach’s daughter,

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turned up with police officers

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to arrest me.

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So, I was arrested,
I was taken into custody,

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I was questioned.
In the end, they released me.

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It was a certainty
that Krombach had killed Kalinka.

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And it was also a certainty
that I would never give up.

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From the start,

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since he was present at the autopsy.

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That was also highly irregular!

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My name is Yves Levano,
I'm a lawyer in Paris.

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Dieter Krombach needed
a French lawyer who speaks German.

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For Mr. Krombach, Mr. Bamberski is crazy.

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There are no other words for it.
He's crazy.

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Mr. Krombach did not attend the autopsy.

258
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,360
He went in to identify Kalinka's corpse.

259
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,160
And then he left the room.

260
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,000
The medical examiner said:

261
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"You can imagine we checked"

262
00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,640
for traces of sexual violence."

263
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,640
"We did not find anything."

264
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,800
They noticed a lesion on the upper lip.

265
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Exactly. And then,

266
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the undertakers dressed the body,
cleaned it up.

267
00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,760
By doing that, they damaged the corpse.

268
00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,920
In July, it was very hot,
the corpse was very fragile.

269
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It was in an advanced state
of decomposition.

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That’s it.

271
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,080
Both medical examiners

272
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:39,760
removed Kalinka's genitals
in their entirety.

273
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,400
The anomaly here is that…

274
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subsequently,

275
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we have no idea…

276
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Nowhere in the autopsy report
do they mention what they did with them.

277
00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,200
I don’t have an answer for that.

278
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,960
But, once again, if we are saying

279
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"Mr. Krombach
made these things disappear,"

280
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,520
we have to say:

281
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,400
"Mr. Krombach has
one, two, three, four, five accomplices."

282
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,400
Lindau is a resort town,

283
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,680
a really nice town,

284
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,280
with a lot of tourists, a lot of them.

285
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,800
Krombach?

286
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,040
He had a nice medical practice,

287
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,320
it was always full.

288
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,280
I remained his patient

289
00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,360
because I had no reason to leave.

290
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,560
I didn’t know why the girl had died.

291
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:00,720
I didn’t know why the girl had died.

292
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,840
And he was a good doctor.

293
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,760
He was really a good diagnostician.

294
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,880
And a good laugh.
I've got nothing bad to say about him.

295
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,720
And the mother was calm and friendly.

296
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,200
A truly nice person, I would say.

297
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,280
She physically lost
the presence of her child.

298
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,360
And she later learned that Mr. Bamberski

299
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,640
was suspecting…
was strongly suspecting her husband,

300
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,640
whom she did not suspect at all,

301
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,560
of being his daughter's murderer,

302
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,800
and his ex-wife of being the accomplice.

303
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,360
That's what I thought,
and I put it in writing:

304
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,440
she had either participated in the actions

305
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,440
that led to Kalinka's death, or…

306
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,720
she never considered asking herself
the question

307
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,880
about how Kalinka had died,

308
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,800
or about how it happened.

309
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,160
-Was their divorce adversarial?
-Yes.

310
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,520
It was a high-conflict divorce.

311
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,160
Due to the situation, everything
that came from Mr. Bamberski

312
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,400
was simply dismissed.

313
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,880
I met Danielle in a creperie
in Casablanca.

314
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,160
It was in '65, she was barely 20.

315
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,000
Dany was a pretty girl,
tall, blond, and pleasant.

316
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,920
We got married a year later.

317
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,960
And a year and a half later,
Kalinka was born.

318
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,000
When Nicolas was born,
she became the big sister.

319
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,520
The rift began,

320
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,840
let’s say, early 1974.

321
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,200
We had German records.

322
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,960
We had books to learn German.

323
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,640
I started to suspect something.

324
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,120
I was the one who made the connection

325
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,600
between that stuff and Dr. Krombach,

326
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,880
our neighbor
who lived three houses down the street.

327
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,280
She told me bluntly
that he was her lover, so,

328
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,640
that’s when we decided

329
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,200
that we were moving back to France.

330
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,080
I thought we were having a fresh start.

331
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,200
For me, life resumed as normal,
until a year later

332
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,520
when she claimed
that she had found a job in Nice.

333
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,120
Actually, Krombach had…

334
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000
moved to Toulouse.

335
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,120
I followed her

336
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,880
and I realized that…

337
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,080
during the week, instead of going to Nice,

338
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,560
she was living with him in this apartment.

339
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,360
I was the one who filed for divorce.

340
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,800
There is somehow some form

341
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,840
of a desire for revenge regarding
all the stuff that happened in the past.

342
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,720
Revenge against Krombach,

343
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,880
and revenge against her.

344
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,080
That made her paranoid
about everything Mr. Bamberski would say.

345
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,720
My name is Philippe Motta.

346
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,960
I’ve been a journalist
in Toulouse for about 30 years.

347
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,560
I met André Bamberski in 1985.

348
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600
I went there, wondering

349
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,480
what to make of that story.

350
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,880
Is it worth it?

351
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,840
And the first thing that struck me was

352
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,200
that he had this huge stack of files,

353
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,360
containing all the stuff that happened,
his thoughts…

354
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,120
After all the things I went through,

355
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,160
I don’t trust anyone.

356
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,360
Don’t ask me to trust you.

357
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,200
DANY
PUT HER CONSCIENCE AT EASE

358
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,920
MURDER, HOMICIDE

359
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,440
I write everything down.

360
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,960
It must be said

361
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,320
he has so much talent
for complicating things.

362
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,120
It was three years after it happened.

363
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,240
He asked me
to take an interest in his cause.

364
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,400
So, we published an article,

365
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,640
I believe it was the very first one
that was written on that story.

366
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,880
It’s not necessarily well written,
but nonetheless, it’s two full pages.

367
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,440
And, out of caution,
we titled it A Strange Story.

368
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,560
A STRANGE STORY

369
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,960
I also interviewed the mother.

370
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,360
She said she was tired of all of this.

371
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520
Because, from what I understand,

372
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,920
she lived in Toulouse, so she had
already left Dr. Krombach.

373
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,160
She left him because he was unfaithful.

374
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,200
And then, it ended in a divorce.

375
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,120
"I needed support after my daughter died."

376
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,080
"I’m leaving."

377
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,000
And yet…

378
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,040
for another five years, she remained

379
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,240
very, very close to him.

380
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,880
She was convinced he was innocent.

381
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,280
IS DR. DIETER KROMBACH A VICTIM?

382
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,960
Then, I interviewed Dr. Krombach.

383
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,240
"André Bamberski has been blaming me
since day one."

384
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,240
"But that's because he's crazy."

385
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,040
He dismissed every claim.

386
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,440
"Write whatever you want. I don’t care."

387
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
That’s it. That was his reply to me.

388
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,800
We have one person who's saying

389
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,840
"Dr. Krombach is a murderer."

390
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,040
We have Dr. Krombach who's saying

391
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,000
"André Bamberski is crazy."

392
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,880
And we have a third person
who's saying "I have nothing to say."

393
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,800
So,

394
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,080
we don’t have enough to know
who is telling the truth.

395
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,640
A STRANGE STORY

396
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,360
Back then, in 1985,

397
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,920
I found out that a commission
had asked the public prosecutor's office

398
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560
to consider further investigations,

399
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,160
including the exhumation
of Kalinka’s remains.

400
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,880
AUTOPSY, POST-EXHUMATION

401
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:42,560
The doctors who’d done the autopsy,
said they handed over all the organs

402
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,560
with Kalinka’s corpse.

403
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,320
THE GENITALS WERE REMOVED

404
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,040
But some organs were still missing.

405
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,720
NO REMAINING PARTS

406
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960
In my eyes,
this exhumation already showed,

407
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,200
or at least confirmed,
that evidence had been withheld.

408
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,600
By whom?

409
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,480
To this day, I don’t think
we’ll ever be able to answer that.

410
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,600
But, once again,
the German authorities dismissed the case.

411
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Kalinka got…

412
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,040
carved up

413
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,960
like a pig in a slaughterhouse.

414
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,400
But nobody wanted to know

415
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,480
how and why she died.

416
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,880
Someone had told me
that since Kalinka was a French citizen,

417
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,400
the French justice system
could have jurisdiction.

418
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,480
Well, this gave me new hope.

419
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,400
I thought to myself,
we have a justice system in France.

420
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,120
I hired a lawyer from Paris
in January 1986:

421
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,560
Mr. François Gibault.

422
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,720
I am a lawyer.

423
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,520
I took the oath in '56.

424
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,160
Mr. Bamberski brought me
the autopsy report,

425
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,520
Kalinka's exhumation.

426
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,720
Her sexual organs, indeed, had been
removed, they were not in the coffin.

427
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,560
It's is one of the mysteries
surrounding this case.

428
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160
But it is important because Dr. Krombach

429
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,480
could not be prosecuted
for rape or attempted rape

430
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,520
since the genitals had disappeared.

431
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Due to lack of evidence, if you will.

432
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,440
In my mind, those were denials of justice.

433
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,360
And I couldn’t accept that.

434
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Mr. Krombach hired a lawyer in France.

435
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,800
And, indeed,

436
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,120
Mr. Krombach refused to come to France.

437
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,920
He was questioned and summoned.

438
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,160
He always declined.

439
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200
He always took a negative stance.

440
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:12,640
We do not know
why Kalinka Bamberski died.

441
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,280
At that point,

442
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,640
the arguments
for his innocence are just as believable

443
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,520
as the arguments for his guilt.

444
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,200
SVENJA MAUER-GÜNTHER
FORMER LINDAU RESIDENT

445
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,560
Mr. Bamberski?

446
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,160
He knew something was off,
and he was right.

447
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,680
Completely right.

448
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,040
When did you meet
Krombach for the first time?

449
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,040
In the early '80s.

450
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,280
My mother was a regular patient of his.

451
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,600
As kids, she would always bring us along
to the practice.

452
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,680
At first, it was calcium shots.

453
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Always lying down, as they made you dizzy.

454
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,360
But I didn’t question it,
I was only about 14 or 15.

455
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,240
Then we started doing iron injections.

456
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,680
My parents had split up in early 1985.

457
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,520
There was a lot of domestic violence.

458
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Mr. Krombach was often around,
as a doctor,

459
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,680
to see my father, to calm him down.

460
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,000
And then my father moved out,

461
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,200
and Krombach started
inviting us over to go horseback riding.

462
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,720
And then he got the idea

463
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,880
to go on a horseback riding holiday
in France's Camargue region.

464
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,640
We'd be staying there for the weekend,
from Friday to Monday.

465
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,680
We were driving into Nice, and…

466
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,640
that was where the photos were taken.

467
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,040
I remember
he was pushing on fifty back then.

468
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,200
And it all started with:

469
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,040
"Oh come on, give me a little kiss."

470
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,080
But we saw it as fatherly affection.

471
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,480
Was that the first time he crossed a line?

472
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Yes. Definitely.

473
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,240
We arrived late and we had one room

474
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,840
with a large double bed and a single bed.

475
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
And the single bed was an extra camp bed.

476
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,600
And he told us

477
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,320
he would definitely be sleeping
in the big bed

478
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,000
and we could choose
who sleeps next to him.

479
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,560
My sister begged me

480
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,560
to let her take the small bed

481
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,960
and that I sleep in the big bed.

482
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,520
He’d brought his doctor’s kit with him.

483
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600
We had iron deficiency,
and it had to be treated regularly.

484
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,280
And at some point, I fell asleep and…

485
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,720
then the sexual assaults happened.

486
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,360
I was in total shock,
like I was paralyzed.

487
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000
Shock to the power of ten.

488
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,920
I just let it happen.

489
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320
I didn’t dare move or say anything.

490
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080
And I played dead and
I remember him shaking me,

491
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,720
because he thought I’d died.

492
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,520
He was scared because I was playing dead.

493
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,760
I couldn’t believe that it was real.

494
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,920
That’s why I didn’t talk about it,
when I should have gone to the police

495
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,440
but no, no…

496
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,560
Krombach was kind
of an authority figure in Lindau.

497
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,960
A doctor!

498
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,840
Doctor worship
is rather extreme in Germany:

499
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,000
"A doctor did that? No way!"

500
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,360
"They don’t do things like that!
That can’t be true."

501
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,520
Nobody was aware he was
a narcissistic sexual pervert,

502
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,000
especially with young girls.

503
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,600
As a doctor, how can one imagine

504
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,120
that such a person
could commit such a crime?

505
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
To me, it was obvious.

506
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,400
I maintain

507
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,040
that he took advantage
of the fact that Kalinka

508
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,000
was sleeping alone on the first floor.

509
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Krombach went downstairs and…

510
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,120
he raped Kalinka.

511
00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,880
He raped her, but Danielle
and the German authorities

512
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,400
were convinced he wasn't responsible
for anything,

513
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,680
that he was wrongly accused,

514
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,920
and that I was to blame

515
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,920
for making up all my claims against him.

516
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,520
In France,

517
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,720
the procedures dragged on for a while,

518
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,360
several years.

519
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,440
But in 1988,

520
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,600
three French professors of medicine,

521
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,600
confirmed

522
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,040
that her death occurred following a shock

523
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,760
caused by the medical actions
of Mr. Krombach

524
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,040
that led to the reflux

525
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,160
and Kalinka's death by asphyxiation.

526
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,280
This judgment from the Indictment Chamber

527
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,760
referred Mr. Krombach to the Assize Court

528
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,680
for murder.

529
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:09,680
On March 9, 1995,

530
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,000
the Assize Court announced its ruling.

531
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,280
Mr. Krombach was obviously not there.

532
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,160
He was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

533
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,080
But only for "inflicting bodily harm

534
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,280
leading to unintentional death."

535
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,840
Due to his absence,
an arrest warrant was issued.

536
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Of course.

537
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,760
And…

538
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,920
when people are innocent

539
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,640
and have nothing to feel guilty about,

540
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,240
they defend themselves.

541
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,520
It leads one to believe
that he was guilty.

542
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,120
At that point, I was like:
"Well, it's over. It's over."

543
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,240
I waited for
the Director of public prosecutions

544
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,000
to have Mr. Krombach arrested

545
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,160
and…

546
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:03,120
to bring him to France.

547
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,920
But, I learned in late December 1995,

548
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,880
that the Ministry of Justice

549
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,560
had written, "Please do not carry out

550
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,120
the judgment against Mr. Krombach."

551
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,360
There was a political blockade

552
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,840
favoring Krombach over a French citizen,

553
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,000
who was the victim of a German.

554
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,680
And Germany said, "He was tried in Munich,

555
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640
so we’re not extraditing him."

556
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,840
Those legal proceedings
caused me to suffer so much.

557
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,680
I feel like
I couldn't trust anyone anymore.

558
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,640
The arrest warrant was not carried out,

559
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:50,160
because Mr. Krombach had already
been found innocent in his home country.

560
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,160
That’s it!

561
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,160
In early March 1997, a female journalist

562
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,560
from a Lindau newspaper, called me

563
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:13,520
to break the news that Dr. Krombach
had raped, in his office,

564
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,680
a female patient under 16.

565
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,960
You see, I wasn’t wrong:

566
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Mr. Krombach is indeed a sexual pervert.

567
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,040
I’m Barbara Völkel,

568
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440
I work for German TV network ZDF.

569
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,400
30 years ago,
women were not taken seriously.

570
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,160
Are you in favor
of making marital rape illegal?

571
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,560
No!

572
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,360
If they went to the police to report

573
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,360
a sexual offense or sexual abuse,

574
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,200
they would laugh them off.

575
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,240
So in 1997, we had a big
debate in Germany, in the Bundestag,

576
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160
the rape laws had to be reformed.

577
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:14,400
On a train, I read a small article
from the Allgäuer Zeitung.

578
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,800
There was this doctor,
Dr. Dieter Krombach,

579
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600
who had abused
a 16-year-old girl in his practice.

580
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,680
And he only got
two years of probation for it.

581
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
The sex offender remains a free man.

582
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,120
I started investigating this case.

583
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,560
There was a big outcry,
in Lindau, by Lake Constance.

584
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,880
Dr. Krombach could have gotten 10 years.

585
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,520
Nobody here understands the mild sentence.

586
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,560
More than 2,200 signatures
have been collected in a petition

587
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,360
to keep the doctor
away from patients for good.

588
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,760
There was also a long, long lead-up

589
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,040
before I was allowed
to interview Dieter Krombach.

590
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,320
A frontal interview of the sex offender
on camera.

591
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,200
It remains the only
interview Dr. Krombach

592
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,440
ever gave about his crimes.

593
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,560
His lawyers advised him
against doing further interviews.

594
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,720
Only vetted questions could be asked,
in the presence of his lawyer.

595
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,320
We were expecting a remorseful offender.

596
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,000
But that wasn’t the case
with Dieter Krombach.

597
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,920
And he was flirting with the camera,

598
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,480
he even tried a few moves on me.

599
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,600
Yes, he said to me:

600
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,240
"Nice to meet you."

601
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,120
"If you weren’t blonde,
I wouldn’t have agreed to this interview."

602
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,360
We did not see any
sign of a remorseful offender

603
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,320
who had any sense
that what he did was wrong.

604
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Did you believe
she was a willful participant?

605
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,680
She never said yes,
but she never said no either.

606
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,640
When I kissed her, she kissed back.

607
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:12,520
At first, I was just kissing her,
and I said "Do you want to go further?"

608
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,720
And she just smiled.

609
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,280
We were talking about
the abuse of a 16-year-old girl.

610
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,040
And he mocked the victim.

611
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,640
And he didn’t think it was wrong.

612
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,600
It was very interesting for me,

613
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,760
and I also speak a little Russian and…

614
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,920
I told her "I love you" in Russian
during the act.

615
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,560
And I mean,
I’m not saying she was ecstatic,

616
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,080
but I had the impression
that she was agreeing to it.

617
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,280
I told him, "But you drugged her!"

618
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,160
"She couldn’t fight back at all."

619
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Like they said in ancient Rome:
"Those who remain silent seem to agree."

620
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,440
It always affects me how he mocked
his victim in front of the camera.

621
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,520
He had anaesthetized her to abuse her,

622
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,080
and he still justifies his actions.

623
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,920
Shortly before the interview ended,
I asked about Kalinka.

624
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,040
And he said that was an accident

625
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,600
and that,
since he would never go back to France,

626
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,160
he would never have to go to prison.

627
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,640
That's when the interview ended.

628
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,160
After it was broadcast on Frontal,
the case became

629
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,880
known nationwide, worldwide,
and across the border.

630
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,040
Can I briefly speak with you?

631
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:47,960
No.

632
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,440
-Can we do a short interview?
-No, we cannot, we won't. Thank you.

633
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,440
In my opinion, the Kalinka case
in Germany was closed far too soon.

634
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,280
Many elements
actually pointed to a sexual offense.

635
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,680
He was only given
a two-year suspended sentence

636
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,280
and he was banned
from practicing medicine.

637
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,280
He was never allowed again

638
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,000
to practice in a clinic, in a hospital,

639
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,000
in a dispensary or whatever.

640
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,880
When did you start to track down
Krombach's whereabouts?

641
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,680
Immediately after…

642
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,640
the trial in 1997.

643
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,600
What was your goal
when you started doing so?

644
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,160
What I wanted was

645
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,920
to obtain justice for Kalinka
against Krombach.

646
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,320
Back then, I'd make the trip

647
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,120
two to four times a year.

648
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,480
I hired a detective,

649
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,480
who told me Krombach
was filling in for other doctors.

650
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,480
And, actually, those doctors were on leave

651
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,480
for just a few days,
a week or more, two weeks at most.

652
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,080
So, I was wondering what he was up to.

653
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,760
My name is Petra Stephan.
I studied librarianship in the GDR.

654
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,960
I also like to question things a lot.

655
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,840
But that’s my nature.

656
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:42,160
I think it was at the beginning of 2006.

657
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,640
The clinic called.

658
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,200
And said that they had a new doctor.

659
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:57,600
Out of curiosity, as always,

660
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,520
my first question was:

661
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,000
"What’s the doctor’s name?"

662
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,920
And the second question was:

663
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,360
"Where is he from?"

664
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,640
And the person on the phone replied:

665
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,920
"The doctor’s name is Dr. Dieter Krombach,

666
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,520
and he comes from Lindau,
near Lake Constance."

667
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,640
I just thought:

668
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,400
"From beautiful Lindau…"

669
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,600
"Why would a doctor from Lindau
move to Rödental?

670
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,800
"Let's look up
what kind of doctor he is."

671
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,880
I was shocked
by all the stuff that turned up,

672
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,080
all the stuff this doctor had done.

673
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,880
All the things he had done. Bad things.

674
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,960
I read that his first wife
had died mysteriously,

675
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,720
probably from an injection.

676
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,320
I read that he had raped a patient,

677
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,040
and I read, above all, about Kalinka.

678
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,520
Then, armed with that knowledge,

679
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,800
I went to my appointment at the practice.

680
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,480
This whole thing was fishy.

681
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,360
I had a plan.

682
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
I’d have a look at the man first,

683
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,600
to make sure it’s really him.

684
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,640
I was afraid.

685
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:43,000
And I was shaking and trembling so much

686
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680
that he noticed, and he asked me:

687
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,400
"Why are you so afraid?"

688
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,600
"Are you afraid of me?"

689
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:58,080
And I said,
"No, no, I’m not afraid of you."

690
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,720
"I’m just nervous about the examination."

691
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,160
And I immediately thought, "that’s him."

692
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,920
I informed three different authorities.

693
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,520
I wrote to the newspaper.

694
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,040
I sent an email to the mayor

695
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,960
and to the Association
of Statutory Health Insurance Physicians.

696
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,920
I also sent Mr. Bamberski an email.

697
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,040
And he got in touch with me.

698
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,360
Thanks to this lady,

699
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
the German authorities learned

700
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,920
that from 1997 onward, he started

701
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,240
filling in for other physicians
all over Germany.

702
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,320
He provided false documents

703
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,000
to the various clinics, hospitals,

704
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,160
medical offices where he would work.

705
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,960
He never got his license
to practice medicine back,

706
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,120
but he obviously made a copy just in time.

707
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,520
And with that copy,
he traveled across Germany

708
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,640
to work as a locum, all those years.

709
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,600
Coburg's criminal police

710
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:23,360
caught him
as he was about to leave the country

711
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,880
with a suitcase full of money

712
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:30,960
and a penis pump.

713
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,320
If you don’t want to use Viagra,

714
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,080
then you can use that

715
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,400
to wake up your penis.

716
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,880
It was a trial that was

717
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,000
closely followed by the media.

718
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,280
Kalinka, Bamberski’s daughter,

719
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,440
died at the young age of 15

720
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,560
after an injection given by Dr. Krombach.

721
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,640
JUDICIAL AUTHORITIES

722
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Mr. Bamberski was very calm,

723
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,800
he was matter-of-fact,
and he was very happy,

724
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,040
that there was finally a trial in Germany

725
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,920
in which Krombach would be prosecuted,
even if it was only

726
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,280
about him not having

727
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,480
the right paperwork.

728
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,840
Without a license, you can’t practice.

729
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,280
I thought, "it’s too risky."

730
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
"If anything happens
and I know what kind of guy he is,

731
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,520
I have to make it public now."

732
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:40,080
It was at the hearing
I attended in July 2007

733
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,480
that it was revealed

734
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,480
that Mr. Krombach had continued
his sexual assaults.

735
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:52,080
Two victims had made the trip
to testify at the trial,

736
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,440
and several others

737
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,680
were mentioned in the ruling.

738
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Mr. Krombach, was sentenced
to 28 months in prison.

739
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,840
At least he got two years.

740
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,400
At least.

741
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,240
Something like that should not happen.

742
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
And then he was released early.

743
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,480
I felt frustrated, because…

744
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,720
I may have gotten some results
but I hadn't achieved my ultimate goal,

745
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,240
obtaining justice for Kalinka’s death.

746
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,160
It’s ridiculous to think,
as Mr. Bamberski does,

747
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,280
that I made love to her.

748
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:42,560
That you raped her!

749
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,720
I didn’t need to, I was married,

750
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,800
I was happy with Kalinka’s mother.

751
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,600
Besides, she did stay with me

752
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,120
for another five years,
I believe. We got divorced.

753
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,440
But it wasn't because of this,

754
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,280
it was because I cheated on her

755
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,200
with another woman, a friend of hers.

756
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,480
Well, it happens.

757
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,760
SCHEIDEGG
GERMANY

758
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,800
Mr. Krombach stayed
in prison until June 2008.

759
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,680
He came back to Sheidegg.

760
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,480
Scheidegg is very close to Lindau.

761
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,400
So, I was following Krombach.

762
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,600
I went to Scheidegg three times,

763
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,840
in September and in early October.

764
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,160
And there, I found a little sign,

765
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,680
in front of the house
where Mr. Krombach lived, that read:

766
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,320
"House for sale."

767
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,680
So he had an opportunity
to elude the authorities.

768
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,320
I panicked a little, I wondered:

769
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,080
"Where is he going to go?"

770
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,440
I’d reached a dead-end,

771
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,640
I had no other options.

772
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,680
I could do nothing
with this conviction in absentia.

773
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,400
I made the decision in September 2009.

774
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,440
Something had to be done.

775
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,000
There was only one solution.

776
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,800
That's what motivated me

777
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:26,840
to abduct him,

778
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,800
to abduct Mr. Krombach,

779
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,000
to bring him voluntarily,
or against his will,

780
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,920
to France.

781
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,080
In my mind,

782
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,920
justice had to go all the way.

783
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:41,840
So…

784
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
it may have been a gamble,

785
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,160
but at least it was something concrete.

786
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Did you think of murdering him?

787
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,480
No, I never thought of murdering him.

788
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:58,920
Justice would never have been done,

789
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,080
so for everyone, for me,

790
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,320
some doubt would have remained.

791
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Bregenz, in Austria,
is very close to Scheidegg and Lindau.

792
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,560
So, I let it be known in all the cafes,

793
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,000
in all the restaurants,
in all the hotels and chalets of Bregenz,

794
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,280
that I was looking for someone to help me

795
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,560
transfer Mr. Krombach

796
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,320
from Germany to France.

797
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,800
I gave them documents written in German

798
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,960
with a picture of him
and the header "Interpol."

799
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,520
It was on a Friday.

800
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,360
The hotel's reception
called my room and said:

801
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,680
"A man is asking for you."

802
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,800
That’s when I met Anton.

803
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,400
My name is Anton Krazniqi.

804
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,840
I was born in Kosovo, raised in Austria.

805
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,200
As a father,

806
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,480
I’m fascinated by this guy's grit.

807
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,520
He’s a father who is very strong-willed!

808
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,280
It’s interesting, it moves you.

809
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,240
It moves you, and you think
what if that happened to you?

810
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,080
What would you do as a father?

811
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,000
What are you willing to do for your child?

812
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,680
What would you have done?

813
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,040
A short trial.

814
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,520
Tidy. Short, quick.

815
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,120
I gave him a ride in my car.

816
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,600
We drove to Lake Constance

817
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,400
I offered to help him.

818
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,240
He said to me:

819
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,880
"What I suggest to you
is just out of humanity"

820
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,560
"I don’t want any money."

821
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,760
Yes, he said, "How much do you want?"

822
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,200
I looked at him and laughed.

823
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,040
I said, "No, no money."

824
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,160
I argued,
"There are still costs to incur."

825
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:12,200
He said, "OK, yes, but after it's done."

826
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,320
So, I didn’t risk anything.

827
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,240
Had you ever been to prison?

828
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,480
Oh, yes.

829
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,520
If we think about consequences,

830
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,720
about what can happen,

831
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,080
I don't even care about that.

832
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,640
If he'd been a gangster,

833
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,120
he would have asked for money in advance.

834
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,520
Yes, I know a Russian gang, Georgians.

835
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,440
I brought two of them with me.

836
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,080
What was the price?

837
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,280
The price was 10,000 euros per head.

838
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,680
Did you discuss how it would go down?

839
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,680
No, not at all. He told me:

840
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,760
"The less you know, the better."

841
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,880
So, I agreed to it.

842
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,960
It was a glimmer of hope.

843
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,840
If you don’t believe in anything,

844
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,880
you don’t get anywhere.

845
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,200
I went back to Toulouse.

846
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,560
I waited. No updates.

847
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,000
I took my sister’s car.

848
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:22,840
There was enough room at the back,

849
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,760
it had a tinted rear windshield,

850
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:27,360
which was ideal.

851
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,440
The plan was: when you see him,

852
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,880
you pick him up and put him in the car.

853
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,280
You bring him to France.
Primitive, simple.

854
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,760
Krombach wasn't home.

855
00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,800
Around nine p.m.,

856
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,120
I saw the car entering the garage,

857
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,120
and I went, "OK, he’s here."

858
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,200
A light was on inside the house.

859
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,880
I knocked.

860
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,800
I walked away from the door,

861
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,840
three or four meters away.

862
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,640
He came out.

863
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,880
"Good evening, are you Mr. Krombach?"
I asked in German

864
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,160
He said, "Yes. What do you want?"

865
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,760
The two Russians walked over
from both sides and jumped him.

866
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,880
He started pleading:

867
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,920
"Help, help me!"

868
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,880
We dumped him in the car and gagged him.

869
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,120
And that’s what we did.

870
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,520
He knew what was going on.

871
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,080
He was screaming, asking questions:

872
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,640
"Are you taking me to France?"

873
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,960
"Are you going to kill me?"

874
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,560
I told him, "No one’s gonna kill you."

875
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,560
He said, "Take me home

876
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,320
and I’ll give you 500,000 euros."

877
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,800
No, no, we’re not going back
and we don’t want money.

878
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,240
I was the driver.

879
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,600
The two Russians
and Dr. Krombach were in the backseat.

880
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,920
I heard a Russian say:

881
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,200
"No, don’t do that, don’t do that."

882
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,800
I turned my head around, I saw that one

883
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,320
of the Russians had pulled a knife.

884
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,040
Apparently, he wanted
to cut off his genitals.

885
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,000
I pulled over.

886
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,760
I told the guy, "Get out!"

887
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:04,360
It was too risky for me to drive 400km,

888
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:05,800
with a guy who's carrying a knife.

889
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,280
The guy went, "OK, I want my money."

890
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,680
"OK, take your money. Ciao!"

891
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,880
For me, it was important to bring Krombach

892
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,640
across the French border.

893
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,720
Suddenly, I saw a sign, "Exit: Mulhouse"

894
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,280
Yeah, awesome.

895
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,520
It was the first city across the border

896
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,880
with legal buildings:
it has a police station…

897
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,640
and the courthouse is nearby.

898
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,440
In front of the courthouse,

899
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,320
there were a few police cars.

900
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,960
I couldn’t dump him there.

901
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,320
I went to the first back alley.

902
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,440
Krombach was sobbing.

903
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,480
"Help, help!"

904
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,480
We opened the gate completely.

905
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,760
I left him there.

906
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,120
At 3:20 in the morning,

907
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,080
I got an anonymous phone call:

908
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,360
"Call the police

909
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:25,560
in Mulhouse,

910
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,800
to tell them that Krombach

911
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,680
is on the sidewalk
in front of the customs office."

912
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,400
I called them, I told my story.

913
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,440
Well, the guy thought I was nuts.

914
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,840
He’s wanted for voluntary manslaughter.

915
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:44,920
Voluntary manslaughter?

916
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:45,960
For a while now.

917
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:46,840
Rue du Tilleul?

918
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,960
Yeah, rue du Tilleul,
near the customs building.

919
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,080
-Is there an arrest warrant?
-Yes, it says "dangerous individual."

920
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,000
"What I am telling you is very serious."

921
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,200
"There's a European arrest warrant
out for him."

922
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,680
"Look it up, you’ll see."

923
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,520
This guy is wanted…

924
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Wait, there's a guy who is gagged,
with his hands and feet tied.

925
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,600
We are rue du Tilleul.

926
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,880
His hands are bound. Wait.

927
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,400
He's with a guy who's been gagged.

928
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,600
We are rue du Tilleul, he's been gagged.
His hands and feet are tied.

929
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,640
Ten minutes later, he said:

930
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:22,360
"We did find him,

931
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,480
but you beat him up quite badly."

932
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,360
I said, "I didn’t beat him up
since I’m in Toulouse."

933
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,880
Sir?

934
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,920
Yes?

935
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,560
Is your first name Dieter?

936
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Yes.

937
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,600
His first name is Dieter.

938
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,640
He says he was abducted in Germany.

939
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,520
Is he conscious?

940
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Yes, so far, he is
but he's in really bad shape.

941
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,200
They promised me
they would bring me back home.

942
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,360
They promised him
they would bring him back home.

943
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
What nationality did you say they were,
Russian?

944
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,240
They spoke Russian.

945
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,080
-They spoke Russian.
-OK.

946
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,200
Did you imagine you would be arrested?

947
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,120
No, not at all.

948
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,560
That’s why I told you I was surprised.

949
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,760
I booked a hotel room in Mulhouse.

950
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,520
I booked a flight.

951
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,160
When I got to the hotel,

952
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,960
it was already five or six p.m.

953
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,520
The police knocked on my door.

954
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,640
They asked me if I was Mr. Bamberski.

955
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,160
"Well, we’re taking you into custody."

956
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,640
And they took me to the police station.

957
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,880
Where the interrogations began.

958
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,360
When I was driven by two policemen

959
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,880
to present me
to the prosecutor of the court,

960
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400
they formed a send-off line for me

961
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,880
on my way out of the police station.

962
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,400
They all stood up?

963
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,960
Well, they were all on their feet,

964
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,720
clapping.

965
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,480
And they had uplifting news for me.

966
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,880
They told me that Krombach was there,

967
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:14,920
that they hadn't released him.

968
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,240
In a pinch, I would say that…

969
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,160
he'd reached the end of his legal rope.

970
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:30,080
André Bamberski, indicted for kidnapping,
faces up to ten years of imprisonment.

971
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,760
My name is Laurent de Caunes,

972
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,000
I am a lawyer at the Toulouse bar.

973
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,400
I learned of Mr. Krombach's abduction

974
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,520
when I was informed that Mr. Bamberski

975
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,520
was in custody in Mulhouse.

976
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,400
That’s the moment when it freaked me out.

977
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,400
I should have researched

978
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,320
the consequences beforehand

979
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,840
for instigating a kidnapping.

980
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,880
The media love headlines

981
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,640
with a little hyperbole, a little drama,

982
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,960
the revelation of a scandal.

983
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,600
That's when we entered a peculiar phase

984
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,640
where Mr. Bamberski
was both the injured party

985
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,640
suing Mr. Krombach

986
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,800
and a future defendant

987
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,640
in his own upcoming trial.

988
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,000
At 11 p.m.,

989
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,480
André Bamberski was released,

990
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,880
but he's been indicted on charges
of kidnapping

991
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,360
and criminal association.

992
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,520
I gave my consent

993
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,240
on October 9, 2009,

994
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,040
for Krombach to be brought to France.

995
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,880
My name is Philippe Ohayon. I am a lawyer.

996
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:52,920
And I defended Dieter Krombach,
over the course of two criminal trials.

997
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,840
Dieter Krombach was jailed.

998
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,560
His face is swollen,
he was beaten to a pulp.

999
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,000
You can imagine
the catastrophic state he’s in.

1000
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,360
He's traumatized.
He claims to be innocent.

1001
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,240
He's been screaming
his innocence, he’s angry.

1002
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,160
The abduction was extremely violent.

1003
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,520
And Mr. Bamberski said:
"It’s not my fault,

1004
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,320
I never ordered them
to beat him up or assault him."

1005
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,760
Mr. Bamberski, in my opinion, is someone

1006
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,480
for whom the end
will always justify the means.

1007
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,840
We argued that André Bamberski

1008
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,480
had acted under moral compulsion,

1009
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,200
since he knew
that if Krombach were arrested

1010
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,960
the trial would start,

1011
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,080
a genuine adversarial trial,

1012
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,600
a trial to obtain justice.

1013
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:44,920
The goal of justice

1014
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,200
is never revenge.

1015
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,360
Since the dawn of time,

1016
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,040
justice doesn't equal revenge,
it's the opposite of that.

1017
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,280
After Dieter Krombach was abducted,

1018
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,800
I contacted Diana Krombach.

1019
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,200
The interview took place in front
of her father’s house,

1020
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,840
where he had been abducted.

1021
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,160
And she was still convinced
of her father’s innocence.

1022
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,360
I am 100% convinced
of my father’s innocence.

1023
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Over the years, these things have put

1024
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,120
a tremendous emotional burden
on our family.

1025
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:30,040
Can you show us where it happened?

1026
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,280
I just know from my dad’s account.

1027
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,160
I know this is his parking space,
and he said, it happened

1028
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,160
just before he could reach the car.

1029
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,640
The police saw
a huge puddle of blood here.

1030
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:43,960
Initially, the police assumed
that he’d been murdered.

1031
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,360
Did Germany ask for him to be repatriated?

1032
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Obviously.

1033
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,680
In fact, they were very surprised
that they even had to ask for it.

1034
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,000
Obviously, it was a huge surprise.

1035
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,160
That’s what we fought for
over months on end.

1036
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,840
But it didn’t happen.

1037
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,320
EQUALITY

1038
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:23,920
At the Assize Court in Paris,

1039
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,120
Mr. Krombach was once again
facing the same charges

1040
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,640
from his trial in absentia circa 1995:

1041
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,800
the aggravated murder of Kalinka.

1042
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,680
Emotions were running high at the start
of Dieter Krombach's trial

1043
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,280
this morning at the Assizes Court.

1044
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,520
This is
the first face-to-face confrontation

1045
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,640
between the man who is accused
of killing young Kalinka

1046
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,600
and her father, André Bamberski.

1047
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,240
My first thought and my first words

1048
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,120
are for Kalinka.

1049
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:03,080
The atmosphere of the trial
was more like a trial by media

1050
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,320
of a German man who had been eluding

1051
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,240
justice all these years

1052
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,360
and would finally pay.

1053
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,520
That's what it was like.

1054
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,280
Mr. Krombach is in a terrible condition

1055
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,960
thanks to Mr. Bamberski’s friends.

1056
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,399
It’s a surreal situation.

1057
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:23,840
We have a man
who's in the defendant's box

1058
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,880
because the accusing party
brought him to France

1059
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,120
after violently assaulting him.

1060
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:30,960
This Germanophobic climate,

1061
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,240
this conspiratorial climate

1062
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,800
by which the German justice system
was accused

1063
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,760
of protecting a random family doctor

1064
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,680
in Lindau makes no sense.

1065
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,160
What is the truth?

1066
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,760
The truth is my father didn’t do anything.

1067
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:52,000
He’s not guilty.
It’s the act of a crazy man, a maniac.

1068
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,439
Dr. Krombach,

1069
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,160
was a good father to his children.

1070
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,640
But he was double-faced.

1071
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,000
He was Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

1072
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,760
Mr. Bamberski embodied moral fortitude.

1073
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,399
He’s no vigilante or masked avenger,

1074
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,840
but he's combative.

1075
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,880
He's a fighting monk.

1076
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,479
Mr. Bamberski, as always, is determined.

1077
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,880
Is it a relief for him
to finally get him to face justice?

1078
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,359
It’s a relief because that
has always been his objective:

1079
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,960
to put Krombach on trial.

1080
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,399
Ms. Gonnin is a very calm woman,
very sweet,

1081
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,880
who was really pained by what happened:

1082
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,000
the abduction, Krombach's arrest,

1083
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,279
the media circus.

1084
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,520
It reopened a wound,

1085
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,040
this whole situation,
since she did not believe

1086
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:53,720
Dieter Krombach was guilty.

1087
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,960
I think she felt like a victim
of what she considered a form

1088
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,000
of judicial violence and aggression
from Mr. Bamberski.

1089
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:05,760
It was Bamberski suing Krombach,

1090
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,920
Bamberski's revenge against Krombach.

1091
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,480
They asked me to follow the hearings,

1092
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,720
to write articles about the trial.

1093
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,440
The people in the courtroom
were holding their breath,

1094
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,760
and when Krombach walked in…

1095
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,960
quite quickly,

1096
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,240
he started losing his grip:

1097
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,600
because when the questions suited him,

1098
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,720
he understood them right away

1099
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,400
and answered them pretty well.

1100
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:43,160
But when a question
was slightly bothering to him,

1101
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,200
he'd go like this.

1102
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,880
And then, there was
a rather shocking moment,

1103
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,120
at the end of the fifth or sixth day:

1104
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,640
we learned that he had had a heart attack.

1105
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,040
A man's life is at stake,
he has heart problems.

1106
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,000
An expert confirmed it.

1107
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,320
Dieter Krombach
is no longer able to appear in court.

1108
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,000
Facing justice,
the German cardiologist

1109
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:14,680
has invoked a medical issue…

1110
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,280
It was a fabrication, pure and simple!

1111
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,200
Many journalists reporting on the trial

1112
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:23,720
have contacted Mr. Levano and Mr. Ohayon,

1113
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,320
prior to the trial,

1114
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,840
and they always said
the trial wouldn’t happen.

1115
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,280
Turns out, they were right once again.

1116
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:40,440
Curiously, the medical issue
matched his specialty, cardiology.

1117
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,240
SIX MONTHS LATER

1118
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,720
Kalinka, whom he believes was killed
by her stepfather Dieter Krombach…

1119
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,000
Why didn't he think to call the police
so they could freeze the scene?

1120
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,320
Danielle Gonnin, Kalinka's mother.

1121
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,160
The former spouses
do not even make eye contact.

1122
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,920
What is your state of mind?

1123
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:10,720
I am…

1124
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,280
far more confident

1125
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,760
and more serene
than the last time around.

1126
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,960
Meaning?

1127
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,400
Meaning…

1128
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:23,080
over the past few weeks,
everything has been done

1129
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,560
to prevent Mr. Krombach
from having another episode.

1130
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Of course, it needs to end.

1131
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,720
Of course he wants to prove his innocence.

1132
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,240
Because he is innocent.

1133
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,080
Testifying against him, for me…

1134
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,960
it was really tough to be
in front of all those people

1135
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,720
and describe the whole ordeal again.

1136
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,600
I first met Mr. Krombach

1137
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,360
in the summer of 1993.

1138
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,440
I was 29 years old.

1139
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,560
And he was older, I’d say in his late 50s.

1140
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,960
Someone had recommended him to me:

1141
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,640
"He’s nice and a very good doctor."

1142
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,120
He said I had an iron deficiency

1143
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,600
and he had to give me an iron injection.

1144
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,400
I had the injection a few times

1145
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,960
and everything was fine at that point.

1146
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,880
My husband and I had money problems,

1147
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,240
and he offered me a job at his practice.

1148
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,040
I just needed to sweep the floors
and wipe them up.

1149
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:51,400
I had to come in during the lunch break.

1150
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,440
No staff, no patients either.

1151
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,920
I didn’t think anything of it at the time.

1152
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,080
Then, one day, I went to the hallway

1153
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,440
and heard some noises.

1154
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,240
I called out.

1155
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,760
"Hello! Who’s there?"

1156
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:17,800
And there he was in the back lab.

1157
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,600
He asked me

1158
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:28,160
if he could give me the injection

1159
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:32,480
so that I wouldn’t have to come back
for my appointment later that day.

1160
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,920
I didn’t think anything of it,
and I said "Yeah."

1161
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,960
It was a completely different substance.

1162
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,920
I remember that I was sort of paralyzed.

1163
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,400
And I remember wanting to stand up,

1164
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:59,040
and he gently forced me back down

1165
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:04,840
with two fingers, and then it happened.

1166
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,240
He raped me, yeah.

1167
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:14,480
-Can we have a break?
-Of course.

1168
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,600
OK.

1169
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:27,240
I couldn’t think clearly
enough to go to the police.

1170
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,280
I just felt so scared

1171
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:34,480
and shameful.

1172
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,120
Mr. Krombach was very rich
and very influential,

1173
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,960
and I thought, "I don’t stand a chance."

1174
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,040
I was never able to defend Dieter Krombach

1175
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,120
against these charges.

1176
01:15:52,440 --> 01:15:54,000
That is to say "non-evidence"

1177
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,600
relevant to other charges.

1178
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,120
Krombach claimed that he didn’t know me,

1179
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,920
that he’d never seen me before,

1180
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,600
and that I was only there
to make myself look important.

1181
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,240
Justice has rules.

1182
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,640
The first rule is
that you have to prove the accusations.

1183
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,240
ASSIZE COURTROOM N°3

1184
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:17,280
I heard that he was
scared of me testifying.

1185
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,920
And the courtroom was full.

1186
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,320
And his two lawyers
were like fierce hounds.

1187
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,480
The Mauer sisters never went to trial.
I was never able

1188
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,560
to defend Mr. Krombach

1189
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:31,840
against the Mauer sisters' accusations.

1190
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,040
How did Danielle Gonnin react

1191
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,720
to the victims' testimonies?

1192
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:42,360
With disgust,

1193
01:16:42,440 --> 01:16:46,040
the feeling of having been wrong
for 28 years.

1194
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,400
I remember Danielle Gonnin
turning to me and saying,

1195
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,600
"He actually is a pervert!"

1196
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,360
"I lived alongside a pervert

1197
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,280
all those years without realizing it."

1198
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,360
Everything shocked her,
the victims' age, the MO.

1199
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,520
Young girls who were minors at the time,

1200
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:06,960
how he sedated and sexually abused them.

1201
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,240
Danielle Gonnin didn’t… didn’t check

1202
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,680
the labels on the vials of medicine

1203
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,400
he injected into Kalinka’s body.

1204
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,320
She didn’t go and check. She trusted him.

1205
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,040
Since Dr. Krombach was a cardiologist,

1206
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,320
everybody agrees
that his attempts to resuscitate Kalinka,

1207
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,760
both in terms of procedure
and of the substances he injected,

1208
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,280
run completely contrary
to all the rules of medicine.

1209
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,720
She found out about how he cheated on her
in her own home.

1210
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,600
Her husband drugged her
to have sex with a 16-year-old neighbor.

1211
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,520
That neighbor

1212
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,920
explained that,
when she started having sex

1213
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,600
with Dieter Krombach,
it happened in his house,

1214
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,080
the very house he shared with Mrs. Gonnin,

1215
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,760
on the living room couch,

1216
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,120
and that, so as not to be disturbed,
he drugged his wife.

1217
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,520
He’d pour a few drops

1218
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,160
of a soporific drug in his wife's glass

1219
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,840
so she would sleep very deeply

1220
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,000
and not notice

1221
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:14,200
him having sex in the next room.

1222
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,440
Danielle Gonnin told the court
that she had slept abnormally

1223
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,520
on the night of the crime.

1224
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,960
It has raised doubts.
She says she could have been sedated

1225
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,640
by Mr. Krombach
on the night of her daughter’s death.

1226
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,680
I had my doubts,
now it's more than doubts.

1227
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,800
I’m almost certain that he is lying.

1228
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,200
That hurts.

1229
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,080
And now, I have to live with that.

1230
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:50,280
I would have appreciated
if Dieter Krombach had told me:

1231
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,520
"It was an accident, I panicked

1232
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:54,800
and I lied."

1233
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,320
I would have understood,

1234
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,360
I may have forgiven him.

1235
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:01,760
But now, I can't forgive him.

1236
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:06,880
It was very complicated for Mrs. Gonnin,
having to deal with the feeling

1237
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,080
of being considered by many people
as being the one who knew

1238
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,440
but who did not want to say,
believe, or hear anything.

1239
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:17,800
And it’s this image she couldn't stand.

1240
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,520
Obviously, we were satisfied,

1241
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,440
because I was finally able
to tell the mother,

1242
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,760
everybody, all the media:

1243
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,080
"See, I wasn't wrong."

1244
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,240
Dr. Krombach was sentenced

1245
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,560
to only 15 years imprisonment

1246
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,040
for violent acts.

1247
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,200
Obviously,
my first thought is for Kalinka.

1248
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,880
Justice has been done in her honor

1249
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:58,520
and I’ll now be able to grieve for her.

1250
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,960
DIETER KROMBACH WAS SENTENCED
TO 15 YEARS IN PRISON

1251
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,360
FOR "BODILY HARM
LEADING TO UNINTENTIONAL DEATH."

1252
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,280
HE'S ALWAYS CLAIMED HIS INNOCENCE

1253
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,160
DESPITE ANDRÉ BAMBERSKI'S PROTESTS,

1254
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,240
HE WAS RELEASED ON FEBRUARY 22, 2020
FOR MEDICAL REASONS.

1255
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,880
HE DIED ON SEPTEMBER 12, 2020 IN GERMANY

1256
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:32,160
TO DATE, 16 WOMEN HAVE COME FORWARD
WITH SEXUAL ABUSE CLAIMS

1257
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,280
What was your sentence?

1258
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,800
One year in prison.

1259
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,440
When I was in prison in Austria,
my father visited me.

1260
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,920
He said, "Boy, you know what you did?"

1261
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,960
I said, "Yes, Dad."

1262
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,440
They are proud of me.

1263
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,480
Everyone is proud of me.

1264
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,640
During the kidnapping trial in Mulhouse

1265
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,840
I learned that I was given,

1266
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:08,720
as the perpetrator of the kidnapping,

1267
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,960
a one-year suspended sentence.

1268
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,720
As for Kalinka, I hope she's in Heaven,

1269
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,840
and that she knows
everything l've done for her.

1270
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,120
I think she deserved it.

1271
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:29,640
What would you say
to a father who lost his daughter?

1272
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,000
Well, I would tell him,
since it’s been 39 years for me,

1273
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,680
"Don’t waste your life."

1274
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,520
I fought like Don Quixote de la Mancha,

1275
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,400
against windmills.

1276
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,000
I obtained justice for her,

1277
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,560
but those are really…

1278
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,640
extreme battles.

1279
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:58,480
Subtitle translation by: Thomas Isackson