1 00:00:12,971 --> 00:00:18,852 -(CRICKETS CHIRPING) -(WATER SLOSHING) 2 00:00:19,394 --> 00:00:21,271 (CAR ENGINE REVS) 3 00:00:24,315 --> 00:00:26,276 SUSAN KASSON-KURILICH: I'm sitting in... 4 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:27,652 Kissimmee, Florida... 5 00:00:29,112 --> 00:00:31,614 flipping through Facebook on my phone 6 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:33,324 and I see the message... 7 00:00:34,993 --> 00:00:36,578 "John's dead." 8 00:00:36,661 --> 00:00:38,413 What do you mean, "John's dead"? 9 00:00:39,164 --> 00:00:40,206 What does that mean? 10 00:00:40,290 --> 00:00:42,417 I'm up, you know, walking around the house, 11 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:45,378 going, "What does this mean, John's dead?" 12 00:00:45,837 --> 00:00:46,963 W... What? 13 00:00:47,046 --> 00:00:49,799 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 14 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:52,177 SUSAN: Could this be a joke? 15 00:00:52,260 --> 00:00:54,137 Could-- Could this be, you know... 16 00:00:55,346 --> 00:00:58,349 like, "John's dead, to me," 17 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:00,226 you know, like they'd had a fight, 18 00:01:00,310 --> 00:01:02,228 something happened, they'd split up. 19 00:01:02,312 --> 00:01:03,813 (MOUSE CLICKING) 20 00:01:03,897 --> 00:01:06,191 SUSAN: I called Judy and I'm like, 21 00:01:06,274 --> 00:01:09,235 "Well, can you pull off the side of the road?" 22 00:01:10,653 --> 00:01:11,905 -(SCOFFS) -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 23 00:01:11,988 --> 00:01:13,907 That's when she told me what was going on. 24 00:01:15,533 --> 00:01:17,452 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 25 00:01:17,535 --> 00:01:19,329 JUDY HLAVAC: I was actually doing Amazon 26 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:22,373 and Uber at the time, delivering, uh, packages. 27 00:01:24,417 --> 00:01:26,252 I got to my first stop 28 00:01:26,336 --> 00:01:28,671 and I went to the door and dropped off the package, 29 00:01:28,755 --> 00:01:30,882 and I got back in my car, and the phone rang. 30 00:01:32,425 --> 00:01:33,968 So she's like, "You need to go on Facebook." 31 00:01:34,052 --> 00:01:35,094 I'm like, "Why?" 32 00:01:36,054 --> 00:01:37,931 "Lily said that John's dead." (SCOFFS) 33 00:01:40,683 --> 00:01:41,851 What the hell happened? 34 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:44,771 Because we really didn't know. 35 00:01:44,854 --> 00:01:49,901 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC INTENSIFIES, CONCLUDES) ♪ 36 00:01:52,445 --> 00:01:55,657 (CELL PHONE VIBRATING) 37 00:01:57,909 --> 00:02:00,286 LISA FREEMAN: I got a call from Lily... 38 00:02:01,412 --> 00:02:03,832 and mind you, I don't talk to Lily. 39 00:02:03,915 --> 00:02:06,835 (CELL PHONE CONTINUES VIBRATING) 40 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:11,464 So, I was like, uh, something's wrong. 41 00:02:11,548 --> 00:02:13,091 -(CELL PHONE CLICKS) -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 42 00:02:13,174 --> 00:02:14,384 LISA: So I picked up. 43 00:02:14,467 --> 00:02:15,552 "They're shooting, they're shooting. 44 00:02:15,635 --> 00:02:16,553 Everybody is dead. 45 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:17,762 They're shooting, they're shooting. 46 00:02:20,473 --> 00:02:22,851 John is dead, he's been shot. There's blood everywhere!" 47 00:02:24,477 --> 00:02:25,979 She's like, "Can you come here?" 48 00:02:26,062 --> 00:02:28,565 And I'm like, "I can't abandon my children 49 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:30,900 and go up on a mountain to find you 50 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,319 until I know what the hell's going on." 51 00:02:33,403 --> 00:02:34,654 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 52 00:02:34,737 --> 00:02:37,031 LISA: Then I started seeing Facebook stuff. 53 00:02:37,115 --> 00:02:39,784 Somebody showed up right after we finished eating 54 00:02:39,868 --> 00:02:41,369 and they shot John... 55 00:02:41,452 --> 00:02:44,205 (SOBS) ...and John's dead at the gate! 56 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:47,292 Henza's in the other room dying and I really need help! 57 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:49,252 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) 58 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:52,046 We were attacked. I've been shot three times. 59 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:53,423 I'm not doing so good. 60 00:02:53,506 --> 00:02:56,676 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -(MOUSE CLICKING) 61 00:02:57,552 --> 00:02:59,888 (NOTIFICATIONS CHIMING) 62 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:04,434 ERIKA HARRIS: Then immediately, my unction was, 63 00:03:04,517 --> 00:03:06,769 "Where is Lily gonna be safe?" 64 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:08,271 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -(NOTIFICATIONS CHIMING) 65 00:03:08,354 --> 00:03:10,398 LARKEN ROSE: You're watching something on the screen 66 00:03:10,481 --> 00:03:12,025 and like, I-- I can't do anything, 67 00:03:12,108 --> 00:03:15,862 I can just watch and be confused and hope for the best. 68 00:03:15,945 --> 00:03:17,906 (NOTIFICATIONS CHIMING) 69 00:03:18,531 --> 00:03:19,949 (MOUSE CLICKING) 70 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:21,326 JEFF BERWICK: One message came up, 71 00:03:21,409 --> 00:03:22,869 said, "Did you see what happened?" 72 00:03:22,952 --> 00:03:25,079 And then all of a sudden it was ding, ding, ding, ding. 73 00:03:25,163 --> 00:03:26,331 (CELL PHONE CHIMING) 74 00:03:26,414 --> 00:03:28,917 JEFF: And then I got a message from Lily herself, 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,960 "Can you help get rid of John's body?" 76 00:03:33,755 --> 00:03:36,299 She thought if the police came and found his body... 77 00:03:36,382 --> 00:03:37,800 (CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICKING) 78 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:39,510 JEFF: ...they would investigate her and they'd deport her back 79 00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:41,804 to the US and she'd be in jail for 25 years. 80 00:03:43,306 --> 00:03:44,891 This wasn't exactly what I had thought 81 00:03:44,974 --> 00:03:46,809 my day was going to be like today. 82 00:03:46,893 --> 00:03:49,062 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(CAR ENGINE REVS) 83 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:03,201 Do you know how many people it was... killed? 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,377 TODD SCHRAMKE: The day of the attack, 85 00:04:12,460 --> 00:04:14,879 I had a meeting with Thaddeus Russell. 86 00:04:14,963 --> 00:04:17,340 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 87 00:04:17,423 --> 00:04:19,133 Thaddeus Russell is here, he's the author 88 00:04:19,217 --> 00:04:20,969 of A Renegade History of the United States. 89 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:22,804 TODD: An author, podcaster 90 00:04:22,887 --> 00:04:25,181 and scholar of America's counterculture. 91 00:04:25,264 --> 00:04:27,058 As his students used to call him, 92 00:04:27,141 --> 00:04:29,519 here's "Bad Thad" Russell. 93 00:04:29,602 --> 00:04:32,105 TODD: Thaddeus founded Unregistered Academy... 94 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:35,483 We teach the things that the regular universities won't. 95 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:38,695 TODD: ...an online alternative for traditional higher education. 96 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:41,155 Thaddeus was scheduled to speak 97 00:04:41,239 --> 00:04:43,241 at the upcoming Anarchapulco conference. 98 00:04:45,743 --> 00:04:47,495 But his real interest in attending 99 00:04:47,578 --> 00:04:49,330 was to interview John and Lily. 100 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:50,748 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 101 00:04:50,832 --> 00:04:52,792 THADDEUS RUSSEL: 102 00:04:52,875 --> 00:04:55,712 (OVER PHONE) 103 00:04:59,465 --> 00:05:01,134 Yeah, so it's tearing me up, Kim. 104 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:06,389 ♪ (GLOOMY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 105 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:09,517 THADDEUS: 106 00:05:17,275 --> 00:05:18,693 (CAR INDICATORS CLICKING) 107 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:26,284 (AIRPLANE TAKING OFF) 108 00:05:35,668 --> 00:05:37,253 FLIGHT ATTENDANT: Dear passengers, welcome to 109 00:05:37,336 --> 00:05:38,963 Acapulco International Airport, 110 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:41,924 and for your information, local time is 8:08. 111 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:44,135 TODD: Kim and I got on the first flight we could, 112 00:05:44,218 --> 00:05:47,221 and a few days later, accompanied by Thaddeus... 113 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:48,765 ♪ (GLOOMY MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 114 00:05:48,848 --> 00:05:50,600 TODD: ...we were back in Acapulco. 115 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:54,479 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 116 00:05:54,562 --> 00:05:57,815 TODD: We always knew that Acapulco was a dangerous place. 117 00:05:57,899 --> 00:05:59,942 But the anarchist community seemed to have created 118 00:06:00,026 --> 00:06:04,697 a warm bubble, floating above the fray of a cartel-run city. 119 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:07,200 And with the fourth annual Anarchapulco conference 120 00:06:07,283 --> 00:06:08,826 only nine days away... 121 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:12,080 there couldn't be a worse time for that bubble to burst. 122 00:06:13,498 --> 00:06:16,084 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 123 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:18,294 JEFF: People are like, this might be very bad 124 00:06:18,377 --> 00:06:20,296 for Anarchapulco. 125 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:23,132 I was kind of naive about it. I said, "Oh, well, 126 00:06:23,216 --> 00:06:24,926 it's one guy who got shot, 127 00:06:25,009 --> 00:06:26,803 and we're not even sure what happened." 128 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:28,471 -♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(MOUSE CLICKING) 129 00:06:28,554 --> 00:06:30,389 JEFF: But there's two keywords involved, 130 00:06:30,473 --> 00:06:33,851 "Anarchist gets killed in Mexico." 131 00:06:35,103 --> 00:06:37,146 NEWS REPORTER 1: It's a tragic situation in Acapulco... 132 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:38,940 NEWS REPORTER 2: An anarchist has been shot to death... 133 00:06:39,023 --> 00:06:40,399 NEWS REPORTER 3: He called himself John Galton. 134 00:06:40,483 --> 00:06:41,984 NEWS REPORTER 4: He and his friend were shot, Jason Henza... 135 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:43,736 TODD: The news of an American anarchist 136 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:46,572 being gunned down in the streets of Acapulco 137 00:06:46,656 --> 00:06:48,241 made international headlines. 138 00:06:48,324 --> 00:06:50,576 You gotta have common sense about it, 139 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:53,162 but I'd say it's safer than the US. 140 00:06:54,789 --> 00:06:57,250 JEFF: People were just attacking us like crazy. 141 00:06:57,333 --> 00:06:59,669 "We knew it, you have an anarchist conference, 142 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:01,712 I mean, people are gonna get killed. 143 00:07:01,796 --> 00:07:05,091 This is what happens when you get involved with Jeff Berwick." (LAUGHS) 144 00:07:05,174 --> 00:07:07,677 Essentially making it out like I'm some cult leader 145 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,929 who lures hippies down to Mexico to their death, 146 00:07:10,012 --> 00:07:11,430 and laughs about it. 147 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:12,890 LARKEN: The way they reported it, 148 00:07:12,974 --> 00:07:15,726 it sounds like somebody made an attack on Anarchapulco. 149 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:19,480 It wasn't in that place, it literally had no connection. 150 00:07:19,564 --> 00:07:21,399 (MOUSE CLICKING) 151 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,985 JEFF: I actually was thinking 152 00:07:24,068 --> 00:07:25,736 it might be the end of Anarchapulco. 153 00:07:28,322 --> 00:07:29,782 TODD: With the gunmen still at large 154 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:33,828 and the media searching for her, Lily was in hiding. 155 00:07:33,911 --> 00:07:37,415 But we were able to arrange an interview with her for Thad's podcast. 156 00:07:38,457 --> 00:07:40,126 THADDEUS: This is the first interview 157 00:07:40,209 --> 00:07:42,295 she will have given to the media. 158 00:07:43,546 --> 00:07:45,131 (HAND BRAKE CREAKING) 159 00:07:45,214 --> 00:07:47,091 -KIM: We've arrived, guys. -Let's go. 160 00:07:48,634 --> 00:07:50,803 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 161 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:58,269 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 162 00:07:58,352 --> 00:08:00,354 Yeah, it definitely wasn't our favorite building 163 00:08:00,438 --> 00:08:02,899 but it is fairly safe. 164 00:08:02,982 --> 00:08:04,859 THADDEUS: All right, so let's start from the top then. 165 00:08:04,942 --> 00:08:06,819 All right? 166 00:08:06,903 --> 00:08:10,364 So I'm in Mexico, in an undisclosed location 167 00:08:10,448 --> 00:08:12,909 with a woman who goes by the name of Lily Forester, 168 00:08:12,992 --> 00:08:14,660 sometimes Lily Devine. 169 00:08:14,744 --> 00:08:16,037 What I want to ask you first is, 170 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,206 what has it been like past two weeks? 171 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:19,665 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 172 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:22,126 LILY FORESTER: The longest nightmare I've ever lived in. 173 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:24,545 (SNIFFLES) 174 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,301 Nights are the hardest 'cause I... I never realized 175 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:34,388 I used to wake up and just reach over every night, 176 00:08:34,472 --> 00:08:37,266 and make sure he was still next to me 177 00:08:37,350 --> 00:08:38,434 the whole time we were together, 178 00:08:38,517 --> 00:08:41,354 and now when I reach over there, it's just pillows. 179 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,945 I literally lost everything I cared about, 180 00:08:49,028 --> 00:08:52,531 John was the only person I trusted with everything. 181 00:08:52,615 --> 00:08:53,950 (SNIFFLES) 182 00:08:54,033 --> 00:08:55,660 It is definitely the most insane thing 183 00:08:55,743 --> 00:08:57,745 I've ever experienced, and it's something 184 00:08:57,828 --> 00:09:00,331 I would never wish on anybody. 185 00:09:00,414 --> 00:09:02,583 Nobody deserves to go through that. 186 00:09:03,501 --> 00:09:07,713 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 187 00:09:08,923 --> 00:09:10,466 THADDEUS: The three of you were in your house, right? 188 00:09:10,549 --> 00:09:12,009 It was you, John and-- and Jason Henza. 189 00:09:12,093 --> 00:09:13,219 LILY: Yeah. 190 00:09:14,553 --> 00:09:17,515 -(CAR ENGINE REVS) -(DOG BARKING IN DISTANCE) 191 00:09:17,598 --> 00:09:18,808 LILY: Rebel dog started barking. 192 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:21,477 Rebel started barking like there was a threat. 193 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,480 And I saw a couple of angry-faced 194 00:09:24,563 --> 00:09:29,110 young Mexican boys just pelting rocks at the house. 195 00:09:29,568 --> 00:09:32,321 (FAN SPINNING) 196 00:09:32,405 --> 00:09:33,531 LILY: John went tip-toeing 197 00:09:33,614 --> 00:09:35,366 around the truck down the driveway... 198 00:09:37,868 --> 00:09:40,705 -and I heard, "Bang, bang, bang." -(GUNSHOTS FIRE) 199 00:09:42,206 --> 00:09:44,917 I hear more bangs and I see Henza getting hit, 200 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,087 and then I see Henza just drop like a bag of potatoes. 201 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:49,171 (VICTIM GRUNTS) 202 00:09:49,255 --> 00:09:52,341 LILY: And I saw a young Mexican. 203 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:53,676 He had a-- what-- 204 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,470 it looked like a-- the pistol that cops carry around, 205 00:09:57,430 --> 00:09:59,307 and he ,like, definitely noticed me, 206 00:09:59,390 --> 00:10:01,976 possibly even recognized me. 207 00:10:02,059 --> 00:10:04,520 And then I just took off running and screaming. 208 00:10:04,603 --> 00:10:06,647 And I heard footsteps behind me, and I thought 209 00:10:06,731 --> 00:10:07,815 that was them coming after me. 210 00:10:07,898 --> 00:10:09,984 And I, like, I was so scared, I didn't even slam 211 00:10:10,067 --> 00:10:12,153 the outside door of the house. 212 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:14,989 (SOBBING) 213 00:10:15,072 --> 00:10:16,991 LILY: And I was sitting there crying like, "Oh my God, 214 00:10:17,074 --> 00:10:18,576 I'm about to be slaughtered." 215 00:10:20,828 --> 00:10:22,121 -I also heard a slam... -(DOOR SLAMMING) 216 00:10:22,204 --> 00:10:26,042 LILY: ...and that slam was Jason running for his life. 217 00:10:26,125 --> 00:10:27,752 (DOORKNOB CREAKING) 218 00:10:27,835 --> 00:10:30,671 LILY: And I opened the door, and I let him in. 219 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:32,548 And I was like, "What about John?" 220 00:10:32,631 --> 00:10:36,052 And he was like, "John is dead." 221 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:39,680 And I-- I just couldn't think of anything, but I just screamed 222 00:10:39,764 --> 00:10:42,683 for a solid couple of minutes straight. 223 00:10:42,767 --> 00:10:45,061 Screamed, "My baby" over and over again. 224 00:10:45,144 --> 00:10:46,145 (SNIFFLES, SOBS) 225 00:10:46,228 --> 00:10:47,646 And, uh... 226 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:49,732 And I just sat there scared for my life 227 00:10:49,815 --> 00:10:52,526 as my friend was probably bleeding out in front of me, 228 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:54,862 I thought Jason was gonna die. 229 00:10:54,945 --> 00:10:58,032 And I was like, "I'm about to be stuck up on this house-- 230 00:10:58,115 --> 00:11:00,951 in this house with a bunch of killers. 231 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:04,497 My friends are dead and I don't know what to do." 232 00:11:04,580 --> 00:11:08,376 Uh, if somebody's listening, please, I just-- 233 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:10,753 Somebody showed up right after we finished eating 234 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:15,383 and they shot John and Henza, and I was in the house... 235 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:17,426 (SOBS) ...and John's dead at the gate! 236 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:18,719 (BREATHES HEAVILY) 237 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:21,222 Henza's in the other room dying, and I really need help. 238 00:11:21,305 --> 00:11:22,807 Somebody please come! 239 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:26,644 (GASPS) 240 00:11:26,727 --> 00:11:29,105 The only person that responded in any way 241 00:11:29,188 --> 00:11:30,689 other than, "What's going on?" 242 00:11:30,773 --> 00:11:33,234 was our friend, Michael Alexander. 243 00:11:34,568 --> 00:11:38,447 And he ran up the hill, risked his life, 244 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:41,867 and he ran through the crime scene, the war zone... 245 00:11:43,202 --> 00:11:46,080 to come and get us out of the house 246 00:11:46,163 --> 00:11:49,041 and down the driveway, and then I saw John... 247 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:52,169 (SOBS) ...and I just lost it. (SNIFFLES) 248 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:55,005 And they're like, "Come on, let's go," 249 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:57,174 and I was like, "I have to move him, 250 00:11:57,258 --> 00:11:58,259 I can't just leave him." 251 00:11:58,342 --> 00:12:01,011 He was laying in the most terrible position. 252 00:12:04,723 --> 00:12:07,143 I picked him up and I moved him, 253 00:12:07,226 --> 00:12:09,103 and I'll never forget things like the fact 254 00:12:09,186 --> 00:12:10,938 that his ankle was crushed... 255 00:12:13,524 --> 00:12:15,276 or the sound that his head had made 256 00:12:15,359 --> 00:12:17,570 as it lightly thud on the ground, 257 00:12:17,653 --> 00:12:19,947 as I laid him down, and I just laid there 258 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:21,490 with him and cried. 259 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,118 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 260 00:12:24,201 --> 00:12:25,244 (LILY SNIFFLING) 261 00:12:25,327 --> 00:12:27,037 And then I fled for my life, 262 00:12:27,121 --> 00:12:31,292 and I've been basically fleeing ever since. 263 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:38,340 ♪ (GLOOMY MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 264 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:11,290 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS OMINOUS) ♪ 265 00:13:11,373 --> 00:13:12,917 JASON HENZA: I was shot bad. 266 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,711 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 267 00:13:15,794 --> 00:13:18,589 JASON: My wrist, my chest and my, uh, knee. 268 00:13:19,632 --> 00:13:22,426 And, uh, it was bleeding really bad to the point 269 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:23,719 where it was really dark. 270 00:13:24,303 --> 00:13:26,263 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 271 00:13:26,347 --> 00:13:27,973 JASON: Lily drove me to the hospital. 272 00:13:29,016 --> 00:13:31,060 That staff was scared. 273 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:33,479 They were telling me it was a cartel hit 274 00:13:33,562 --> 00:13:34,980 and they didn't want any part of it. 275 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:36,607 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 276 00:13:36,690 --> 00:13:37,733 JASON: They put me in a wheelchair 277 00:13:37,816 --> 00:13:39,985 and they were pushing me out the door. 278 00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:43,030 I tried to convince them, I handed them, uh, 6,000 pesos, 279 00:13:43,113 --> 00:13:46,867 of-- bloody pesos out of my pocket and said, "You gotta take me." 280 00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:48,244 (MOUSE CLICKING) 281 00:13:48,327 --> 00:13:50,913 JASON: The direction changed, they put me up onto the table 282 00:13:50,996 --> 00:13:52,998 and started working on me. 283 00:13:53,082 --> 00:13:55,501 And next thing you know, there's like 200 cops 284 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:57,253 around the building, 285 00:13:57,336 --> 00:13:59,380 military men and federales and all that shit 286 00:13:59,463 --> 00:14:01,590 just standing around the building. 287 00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:02,841 Now, I'm scared outta my mind. 288 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:04,635 Like, I really thought they were gonna come back 289 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:05,970 to kill me, 290 00:14:06,053 --> 00:14:07,513 because everyone's saying it's a cartel. 291 00:14:07,596 --> 00:14:10,516 So like, I'm just thinking, "Okay, I'm dead." 292 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:14,270 For about five hours, 293 00:14:14,353 --> 00:14:15,646 they couldn't get my chest to stop bleeding. 294 00:14:15,729 --> 00:14:16,897 (MOUSE CLICKING) 295 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:19,191 JASON: The surgeon came in to advise and they just said 296 00:14:19,275 --> 00:14:23,237 put a compression bandage on him and hope it stops bleeding. 297 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,698 Once they knew that they had stitched me up everywhere else, 298 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:28,867 I just said, okay... (BREATHES DEEPLY) 299 00:14:28,951 --> 00:14:31,161 ...and I got up and walked out of the hospital. 300 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,749 Jumped in a taxi, went straight to Lily. 301 00:14:35,833 --> 00:14:36,834 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 302 00:14:36,917 --> 00:14:39,128 JASON: We went over to her friend's house. 303 00:14:39,211 --> 00:14:42,298 We just went in a room and just went to sleep. 304 00:14:45,342 --> 00:14:47,678 TODD: The stream of news around the murder wasn't letting up. 305 00:14:47,761 --> 00:14:48,887 (MOUSE CLICKING) 306 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:49,972 TODD: Local police claimed 307 00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:51,557 they found a drug lab in the house 308 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,435 with equipment for processing narcotics. 309 00:14:54,518 --> 00:14:59,064 LISA: In my opinion, John and Lily were selling cocaine. 310 00:14:59,148 --> 00:15:03,944 And in the face of the cartel, this is a controlled area, 311 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:07,489 you don't sell, you don't sell. There's no competition here. 312 00:15:07,573 --> 00:15:10,451 This is a monopoly, and you listen, or you die. 313 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:14,663 -Oh, yeah. Uh, yeah. -Yeah. 314 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,999 KIM: 315 00:15:17,082 --> 00:15:18,208 -Oh, it doesn't-- Oh, yeah... -Yeah. 316 00:15:18,292 --> 00:15:19,460 ...of course, it doesn't sit well. 317 00:15:19,543 --> 00:15:22,004 I mean, like who wants to be told that they can 318 00:15:22,087 --> 00:15:23,631 and can't do things. My least favorite word 319 00:15:23,714 --> 00:15:25,883 in like, the English language is "allowed." 320 00:15:25,966 --> 00:15:28,135 -Yeah. -Um... (CLEARS THROAT) 321 00:15:28,218 --> 00:15:31,180 But we operate, you know, 322 00:15:31,263 --> 00:15:34,099 within the confines of the environment we're in. 323 00:15:36,352 --> 00:15:37,436 THADDEUS: Everyone says, 324 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,313 the only way that gringos get killed 325 00:15:39,396 --> 00:15:41,065 by the cartel is by selling cocaine, 326 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:44,485 and that's what Lily and John were doing. Is that true? 327 00:15:44,568 --> 00:15:47,196 -Yeah. It's-- it's not true. -Okay. 328 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,866 Where those claims came from was a guy named Paul Propert. 329 00:15:52,117 --> 00:15:55,287 That guy was the guy that was selling the cocaine. 330 00:15:55,371 --> 00:15:56,872 THADDEUS: In the hotel, where the conference 331 00:15:56,955 --> 00:15:58,082 is being held, 332 00:15:58,165 --> 00:16:01,585 you, John, and this guy Paul, had a room from which 333 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:04,046 you basically operated an open-drug market 334 00:16:04,129 --> 00:16:06,382 where any drug pretty much was available for sale. 335 00:16:06,465 --> 00:16:08,717 -We did not have a room-- -THADDEUS: So, that was not your room? 336 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:12,262 You and John were not selling cocaine in that room 337 00:16:12,346 --> 00:16:14,056 -in Anarchapulco last year? -Nope. 338 00:16:14,139 --> 00:16:16,058 THADDEUS: Okay, and Paul, you're saying, was. 339 00:16:16,141 --> 00:16:18,727 Yeah, it was "Paul's Fiesta Supplies," 340 00:16:18,811 --> 00:16:21,230 is the name of what he had called his store. 341 00:16:21,855 --> 00:16:23,023 We knew those lines 342 00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:26,026 and we were never interested in crossing them. 343 00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:28,404 Coke, heroin and meth, those three specifically-- 344 00:16:28,487 --> 00:16:30,155 -THADDEUS: Right, the powders. -You do not want to be 345 00:16:30,239 --> 00:16:31,573 -dealing with those. -THADDEUS: No powders? 346 00:16:31,657 --> 00:16:33,158 No powders. 347 00:16:33,242 --> 00:16:35,244 LILY: Paul knew that, because after the conference, 348 00:16:35,327 --> 00:16:37,538 -Paul had people after him. -THADDEUS: Right. 349 00:16:37,621 --> 00:16:39,873 And it was, you know, pretty obvious, 350 00:16:39,957 --> 00:16:42,042 and we were just like, we know we don't want that heat. 351 00:16:43,335 --> 00:16:45,003 TODD: Paul had been persistently feuding 352 00:16:45,087 --> 00:16:46,505 with John and Lily. 353 00:16:46,588 --> 00:16:49,091 And with tensions coming to a head after the murder, 354 00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:52,344 -(MOUSE CLICKING) -TODD: ...Lily chose to escalate. 355 00:16:52,428 --> 00:16:54,430 LILY: Oh, of course, I blame Paul. 356 00:16:54,513 --> 00:16:57,057 He had been threatening exactly that thing for months. 357 00:16:57,141 --> 00:16:58,142 (MESSENGER CHIMES) 358 00:16:58,225 --> 00:16:59,435 LILY: Right after we kicked him out, 359 00:16:59,518 --> 00:17:02,312 it was literally like thousands of messages. 360 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:06,942 TODD: The antagonism was not equal toward you and John. 361 00:17:07,025 --> 00:17:08,944 No, it was always more towards John. 362 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:10,612 (MOUSE CLICKING) 363 00:17:10,696 --> 00:17:12,322 LILY: He kept threatening having people coming 364 00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:14,450 to the house and killing John specifically, 365 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:15,951 which is what happened. 366 00:17:16,034 --> 00:17:17,703 I thought he paid some poor-ass people 367 00:17:17,786 --> 00:17:19,079 to come kill him. 368 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:21,832 It's a hell of a coincidence if he didn't cause it. 369 00:17:22,374 --> 00:17:24,126 (RADIO STATIC) 370 00:17:24,209 --> 00:17:28,756 VOICE AS PAUL PROPERT: 371 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,300 -(KEYBOARD KEYS CLACKING) -VOICE AS PAUL: Yes, I got drunk a lot 372 00:17:31,383 --> 00:17:32,342 and was a drama-queen 373 00:17:32,426 --> 00:17:35,220 keyboard warrior and talked a lot of shit. 374 00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:39,308 (READS PROMPT) 375 00:17:40,434 --> 00:17:42,811 (READS PROMPT) 376 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:44,104 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 377 00:17:44,188 --> 00:17:46,815 TODD: We still needed to hear Paul's perspective, 378 00:17:46,899 --> 00:17:48,609 so we reached out to see if he'd be willing 379 00:17:48,692 --> 00:17:50,068 to sit down for an interview. 380 00:17:50,152 --> 00:17:55,115 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 381 00:17:55,199 --> 00:18:00,120 (MESSAGE NOTIFICATION CHIMES) 382 00:18:00,204 --> 00:18:03,707 VOICE AS PAUL: 383 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:06,335 I almost died hiding John and Lily's 384 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:07,920 secret cocaine business. 385 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:13,342 (READS PROMPT) 386 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:16,178 LILY: It wasn't until after 387 00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:18,514 I blamed it on him on Facebook 388 00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:20,933 that he started coming after me. 389 00:18:21,016 --> 00:18:25,312 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -VOICE AS PAUL: 390 00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:30,609 (READS PROMPT) 391 00:18:30,692 --> 00:18:33,320 Did you think about calling the police? 392 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,492 No. 'Cause I knew if the police came, 393 00:18:38,575 --> 00:18:39,993 then I was getting deported. 394 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:43,705 JUAN GALT: Lily and Henza were hangin' out 395 00:18:43,789 --> 00:18:44,873 at the Anarchastle 396 00:18:44,957 --> 00:18:47,960 and were in the middle of this flame war with Paul. 397 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:49,461 (MOUSE CLICKING) 398 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,213 JUAN: We didn't really know what happened, 399 00:18:51,296 --> 00:18:52,965 we just know that John got killed. 400 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:55,217 People were saying that Paul did it, 401 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:58,387 or that Paul got somebody else to do it. 402 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:01,348 But we knew that Paul was potentially dangerous. 403 00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:06,645 Paul had gotten this kid to drive a car down 404 00:19:06,728 --> 00:19:09,273 and bring a bunch of, like, melee weapons. 405 00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:16,071 Like bats with nails on them. 406 00:19:16,154 --> 00:19:19,283 And so the kid came and was staying at our house 407 00:19:19,366 --> 00:19:21,535 and had parked the car in front of our house. 408 00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:23,328 At which point we were like, what the fuck? 409 00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:28,375 Our concern was, we have 25 people 410 00:19:28,458 --> 00:19:29,960 living in the house. 411 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:32,129 Lily and Henza are in the middle of a war with a guy 412 00:19:32,212 --> 00:19:34,256 that's been accused of murdering John, 413 00:19:34,339 --> 00:19:37,926 and Paul's buddy is outside with a bunch of his weapons. 414 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:39,428 Way too much going on. 415 00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:43,223 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 416 00:19:43,932 --> 00:19:45,934 (KEYS JINGLE) 417 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:49,855 We were very carefully asked to find a different place 418 00:19:49,938 --> 00:19:51,565 to lay low because it was drawing 419 00:19:51,648 --> 00:19:52,858 too much attention, and this house was 420 00:19:52,941 --> 00:19:55,277 kind of a center of community when we first found out. 421 00:19:56,904 --> 00:19:59,239 But we had no money, we had nowhere to go. 422 00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:03,911 Yeah. (SIGHS) 423 00:20:03,994 --> 00:20:05,370 LILY: My head was spinning. 424 00:20:06,288 --> 00:20:08,206 Okay, now what? (LAUGHS) 425 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:11,460 Now what do we do? 426 00:20:11,543 --> 00:20:13,879 JUAN: They took it as we're not sheltering 427 00:20:13,962 --> 00:20:15,547 dissidents, or something like that, right? 428 00:20:15,631 --> 00:20:18,300 Like, we're not sheltering them in time of need, type of thing. 429 00:20:20,260 --> 00:20:22,012 I guess that's true, I don't know. 430 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:29,603 All right, this video is intended for Anarchapulco, 431 00:20:29,686 --> 00:20:32,522 Anarchaforko communities. 432 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,943 I miss you, my heart aches with you. 433 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,236 There's an emergency among us. 434 00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:40,822 How will we respond? 435 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:47,120 With shelter, with safe houses, with passage over borders, 436 00:20:47,204 --> 00:20:49,289 if necessary. 437 00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,000 ERIKA: I feel a sisterly affection for Lily. 438 00:20:53,377 --> 00:20:54,628 I told her, I said, "Honey, there's this-- 439 00:20:54,711 --> 00:20:56,755 You have a safe house here in Belize." 440 00:20:56,838 --> 00:21:02,719 And there were-- there were more than a couple people who told me... 441 00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:05,472 that maybe I shouldn't do that, or maybe I shouldn't, 442 00:21:05,555 --> 00:21:06,556 you know, get involved like that. 443 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,016 I was like, "Why? Why would you-- 444 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:09,434 why would you think that-- say that?" 445 00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:10,686 And they were like, "Well... 446 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:12,062 she's a danger." 447 00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:14,398 Like, that-- If there's an investigation-- 448 00:21:14,481 --> 00:21:16,817 Almost-- almost, like, well, basically, like, don't stick your neck out 449 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:20,153 because you might get cut. Like that kind of thing. 450 00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:22,072 I was like, what? 451 00:21:22,155 --> 00:21:25,617 We need each other to get this done. 452 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:30,205 I mean, we need each other just to move one inch forward. 453 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,166 (SIGHS) 454 00:21:33,250 --> 00:21:35,377 What is community? You know, 455 00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:37,879 if you can't rally around someone when they're down, 456 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:39,548 then what is the fricking point? 457 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:43,010 DANNY: This is a... kind of a special edition. 458 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:45,929 We're gonna touch on some issues with safety 459 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:47,597 and such for Anarchapulco. 460 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:49,516 There's been a lot in the news lately, 461 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:50,726 basically all over the world. 462 00:21:50,809 --> 00:21:54,896 And um, Jeff, as-- as far as Anarchapulco goes... 463 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:58,191 uh, are there any special measures for safety, 464 00:21:58,275 --> 00:22:00,193 or is there even any need for that? 465 00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:02,487 Hey Danny. Good to talk to you. Yeah, it's been a tough week 466 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:06,700 in Acapulco. As a lot of people know, someone in our community, 467 00:22:06,783 --> 00:22:09,703 -you could say, an anarchist was murdered... -(SPEECH OVERLAPPING) 468 00:22:09,786 --> 00:22:11,621 It does appear that they were doing something 469 00:22:11,705 --> 00:22:14,374 related to drugs and the cartel in Mexico... 470 00:22:14,458 --> 00:22:16,460 ...had a drug lab. But you ask about, 471 00:22:16,543 --> 00:22:18,253 -if we increase security... -(SPEECH CONTINUES OVERLAPPING) 472 00:22:18,336 --> 00:22:19,921 ...it's really, truly not necessary. 473 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:24,593 Uh... the-- the safety of Acapulco has not changed-- changed anything... 474 00:22:24,676 --> 00:22:26,595 This is about as safe of an area as you can get... 475 00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:29,056 ...and, you know that part of Acapulco, 476 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:31,099 there is sometimes some shooting... 477 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,227 ...and there's cartels, and there's gangsters with guns everywhere-- 478 00:22:34,311 --> 00:22:35,854 ...it's about as secure of an area as anywhere 479 00:22:35,937 --> 00:22:36,938 in the world that I've ever been. 480 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:39,191 Yeah. Uh... I actually agree with a lot of... 481 00:22:39,274 --> 00:22:42,402 JUAN: As the '19 conference was coming in, 482 00:22:42,486 --> 00:22:44,112 you know, we were planning to go... 483 00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:45,322 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 484 00:22:46,156 --> 00:22:48,075 ...and then the murder happened. 485 00:22:48,158 --> 00:22:50,452 And it was like, oh, my God, are we gonna go now? 486 00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,746 -♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(NOTIFICATION CHIMES) 487 00:22:52,829 --> 00:22:55,957 JEFF: Got one message, "I'm gonna cancel, I'm scared." 488 00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,752 (CHIMES CONTINUE) 489 00:22:58,835 --> 00:23:01,296 JEFF: And then just message after message. 490 00:23:01,379 --> 00:23:03,298 "I'm gonna cancel, I'm scared." 491 00:23:03,381 --> 00:23:06,176 Then Judge Napolitano says, "I'm not coming." 492 00:23:06,259 --> 00:23:09,471 We had sponsors saying they wanted out. 493 00:23:09,554 --> 00:23:12,140 I didn't think anyone was coming. 494 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,725 And I was just sitting there like, 495 00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:15,310 "What the fuck's going on?" 496 00:23:18,897 --> 00:23:20,482 TODD: Do you think there was any danger? 497 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:26,780 Fear is a normal, natural part of life, I think. 498 00:23:26,863 --> 00:23:31,493 But too many people let it guide most of their actions. 499 00:23:31,576 --> 00:23:33,036 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 500 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,289 -♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(WAVES FLOWING) 501 00:23:45,465 --> 00:23:49,344 LILY: The world is not as good of a place without him... 502 00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:55,892 and he would know exactly what to do in this situation... 503 00:23:58,145 --> 00:24:00,230 and I'm still at a loss. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 504 00:24:03,775 --> 00:24:04,776 (CAR HORNS BEEPING) 505 00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:06,903 LILY: I see all the places we used to go. 506 00:24:08,363 --> 00:24:09,948 I see the Fork. I me-- 507 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:12,159 I just can see him walking around there 508 00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:14,077 doing all of that last year. 509 00:24:15,787 --> 00:24:16,955 The Fork is dead. 510 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:21,209 -It's not happening. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 511 00:24:21,293 --> 00:24:24,004 LILY: Anarchaforko died with him this year. 512 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:31,094 Looking out at views like this makes me want to stay forever, 513 00:24:31,178 --> 00:24:33,221 and it makes me want to leave right now. 514 00:24:36,391 --> 00:24:38,059 TODD: Lily and Henza came out of hiding 515 00:24:38,143 --> 00:24:40,979 to meet with John's family at a hotel. 516 00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:44,524 I had talked about coming here many times over the years, 517 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,693 but unfortunately, just with my life, 518 00:24:46,776 --> 00:24:49,905 I couldn't make it down here. We had talked about coming, 519 00:24:49,988 --> 00:24:52,741 my stepmother and I had talked about coming last summer, 520 00:24:52,824 --> 00:24:55,076 and it just didn't happen. And so we, again... 521 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,246 TODD: They came to Acapulco as soon as they could. 522 00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:00,123 It was the first time they had seen Lily 523 00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:01,500 in over four years. 524 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:05,879 It's really hard for me to know 525 00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:09,132 that I didn't get to come here with him. (SOBS) 526 00:25:09,841 --> 00:25:11,676 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 527 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,845 I wanted to-- to see... 528 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:16,932 He was happy here. 529 00:25:17,015 --> 00:25:19,559 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 530 00:25:23,021 --> 00:25:25,482 JUDY: The first time he called and told me 531 00:25:25,565 --> 00:25:29,194 he was going to Mexico, I cried the whole night. 532 00:25:30,528 --> 00:25:32,572 I mean, I was-- I was scared. 533 00:25:32,656 --> 00:25:34,407 You know, I-- I knew it was dangerous there. 534 00:25:34,491 --> 00:25:37,077 I knew that things could happen. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 535 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,705 He... He was just so stubborn. 536 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:43,041 JUDY: He was trying to carve out a life for himself, 537 00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:45,168 and trying to find his own path. 538 00:25:46,544 --> 00:25:48,588 (MOUSE CLICKING) 539 00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:50,715 JUDY: I saw their life through Facebook. 540 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,175 (MOUSE CLICKING) 541 00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:53,802 JUDY: It was good for me to see that 542 00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:56,638 because he was living the life he had always talked about. 543 00:25:56,721 --> 00:26:00,225 He was living the life that... that he wanted. 544 00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:05,730 It has been good though, to come here 545 00:26:05,814 --> 00:26:07,148 and meet his friends, 546 00:26:07,232 --> 00:26:10,193 and the people who cared about him. 547 00:26:11,194 --> 00:26:13,905 In a way, it's given me a little peace. 548 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:15,198 LILY: He made an entire community... 549 00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:18,285 So many good people that he has met 550 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:19,995 and-- and the way they talk about him, 551 00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:22,998 and the way he's influenced their lives. 552 00:26:23,081 --> 00:26:26,167 It just-- it warms my heart to know that he was still 553 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:27,836 the same Shane that I always knew, 554 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:29,421 that he didn't change. 555 00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:31,423 -LILY: He never compromised himself. -Yeah. 556 00:26:32,215 --> 00:26:34,092 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 557 00:26:34,175 --> 00:26:36,261 TODD: Kim and I only knew John Galton by the alias 558 00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:39,014 he had taken up when he went on the run. 559 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:41,683 John and Lily, those aren't our real names, 560 00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:43,685 like you understand that, right? 561 00:26:43,768 --> 00:26:46,271 TODD: Now, his mother shared with us his given name, 562 00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:47,856 Shane Cress. 563 00:26:48,815 --> 00:26:50,025 Call me Shane. 564 00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:52,902 JUDY: His grandfather loved the movie and he's like, 565 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:55,905 "I really like that name, you guys should use that name." 566 00:26:57,741 --> 00:26:59,492 LILY: If there's one thing he taught me it was 567 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:01,411 how to stand up for myself. And if there's one thing 568 00:27:01,494 --> 00:27:03,288 that my family really hated about him, 569 00:27:03,371 --> 00:27:05,915 it was that he taught me to stand up for myself. 570 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,044 'Cause that'd mean I stood up to them. 571 00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:10,712 -(CHUCKLES SOFTLY) -Yeah. 572 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:14,799 (SOBS, BREATHES DEEPLY) 573 00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:19,179 So, that's why I stay strong. To try to be more like Shane. 574 00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:20,472 (SNIFFLES) 575 00:27:24,684 --> 00:27:27,270 (SOBS) It's not been easy, but it needs to be shared, 576 00:27:27,354 --> 00:27:31,191 'cause everybody's just thinking of him as some cartel thug. 577 00:27:34,235 --> 00:27:36,571 (SNIFFLES) And he just wasn't. 578 00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:38,907 (SIGHS) 579 00:27:42,202 --> 00:27:45,163 We made a mistake of trusting the wrong people, 580 00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:47,707 but that won't happen again. (CHUCKLES SOFTLY) 581 00:27:47,791 --> 00:27:50,251 I'd rather have no friends at all than have friends 582 00:27:50,335 --> 00:27:53,088 that are gonna pull shit like what Paul Propert did. 583 00:27:53,171 --> 00:27:54,255 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 584 00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:58,093 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 585 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:01,596 SUSAN: The whole purpose of traveling to Acapulco 586 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:03,556 was we want to get him home. 587 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,892 We'll get him cremated in Mexico, 588 00:28:05,975 --> 00:28:08,144 and we will take his remains home with us. 589 00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,438 -(KEYBOARD CLACKING) -(MOUSE CLICKING) 590 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,816 JUDY: We went to the police station. 591 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:15,193 They said, "Oh, we have somebody that can help you." 592 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,322 They brought this guy in to the police station. 593 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,700 And then they told us the price. 594 00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:27,580 They wanted 25,000 dollars, American. 595 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:29,457 And I said, you know, no, no, I've-- 596 00:28:29,541 --> 00:28:32,836 I said, "This is too much, I can't afford that." 597 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:35,380 SUSAN: They wanted to put him in a mass grave. 598 00:28:36,339 --> 00:28:39,092 This is my daughter's only child. No. 599 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,806 JUDY: I spent the next two days at the hotel 600 00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:47,308 calling all the funeral homes. 601 00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:50,270 And I found a place in, uh, Mexico City. 602 00:28:50,353 --> 00:28:53,440 The price he gave me was very reasonable, um... 603 00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,984 it was, like, right around 6,000 dollars. 604 00:28:56,067 --> 00:28:57,777 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 605 00:28:57,861 --> 00:28:59,279 SUSAN: The whole thing is just screwed up 606 00:28:59,362 --> 00:29:00,780 from beginning to end. 607 00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:03,658 -And then there was the morgue. -(MOUSE CLICKING) 608 00:29:03,741 --> 00:29:06,786 -♪ (CURIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ -(MOUSE CLICKING) 609 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,788 JUDY: When you even got close to the building, 610 00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:10,999 you could just smell it. 611 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,837 NEWS REPORTER 5: The epidemic of murders in Acapulco 612 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,674 is putting unbearable strain on the city's resources. 613 00:29:19,757 --> 00:29:21,801 There simply aren't enough freezers here, 614 00:29:21,885 --> 00:29:24,512 so bodies rot in bags on the floor. 615 00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:29,267 JUDY: I couldn't identify his body. 616 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:31,728 Um, I thought I could, but when I got there, 617 00:29:31,811 --> 00:29:33,396 I just-- I couldn't do it. 618 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,107 I waited outside and she went in and did all that. 619 00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:40,153 They had pictures that they had her look at, 620 00:29:40,236 --> 00:29:42,071 because by the time we got there, 621 00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:44,532 he was not in any condition to be viewed. 622 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:48,828 LILY: I asked for one of his dreadlocks 623 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,580 'cause I'm-- I'm sentimental and I wanted 624 00:29:50,663 --> 00:29:52,957 one of his dreadlocks just to hold onto. 625 00:29:53,958 --> 00:29:55,710 They were like, oh, that's not possible, 626 00:29:55,793 --> 00:29:57,086 he's a biohazard... 627 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,799 which is pretty fucking awful. (SIGHS) 628 00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:06,888 SUSAN: The thing that he went to Mexico to get away from 629 00:30:06,971 --> 00:30:09,265 was the part that we had trouble with, 630 00:30:09,349 --> 00:30:11,392 the bureaucracy of it all. 631 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:13,728 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -♪ (CURIOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 632 00:30:13,811 --> 00:30:18,441 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 633 00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:22,445 LISA: This whole thing, it was something from a movie. 634 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:26,282 There were many times I'd wake up and be like... 635 00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:29,202 did... did this really happen? 636 00:30:30,495 --> 00:30:32,622 Our house was always an open door... 637 00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:38,086 but because it was such a unbelievably... 638 00:30:38,169 --> 00:30:41,422 tragic experience, you got to see a whole different side 639 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:45,009 of other people. Everybody went into this like... 640 00:30:46,219 --> 00:30:48,596 fight or flight neuroses. 641 00:30:51,057 --> 00:30:53,851 We, pretty much like closed our door 642 00:30:53,935 --> 00:30:56,854 and we didn't leave our house. 643 00:30:58,898 --> 00:31:01,401 NATHAN FREEMAN: It's been a really tough year. 644 00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:03,861 It put a lot-- It put a lot of stress on our family. 645 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:06,948 LISA: At this point, 646 00:31:07,031 --> 00:31:08,616 we've been booted out of Anarchapulco 647 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:11,953 because there is clearly dysfunction 648 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:14,831 in the people running it. And so I said, 649 00:31:14,914 --> 00:31:17,834 "Why don't we have a conference that's built on healing people?" 650 00:31:17,917 --> 00:31:23,298 Making... making people better and-- and fixed. 651 00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:25,341 This is the seating area that gets used 652 00:31:25,425 --> 00:31:27,135 for the most adult conversations. 653 00:31:27,218 --> 00:31:30,805 This is where Anarchawakening, the-- the whole festival 654 00:31:30,888 --> 00:31:34,225 and name of our conference was created. 655 00:31:34,309 --> 00:31:36,436 You know, what-- what better time than now, 656 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,479 here at the beginning of 2019 than to give yourself 657 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,107 the gift that keeps giving, and that's to invest 658 00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:43,359 in your healing, and it's now. So... 659 00:31:43,443 --> 00:31:46,571 LISA: Anarchawakening became the name. 660 00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:51,451 And, because we already had people in town for Anarchapulco, 661 00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:54,787 Anarchawakening would happen the same time. 662 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,542 Our community, our world is crying, often. 663 00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:02,670 It's time for us to... to face some of that stuff. 664 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,175 It's time. Jump in, come to the festival 665 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:09,886 and, you know, see where it takes you. 666 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:11,846 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 667 00:32:11,929 --> 00:32:14,140 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 668 00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:19,479 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 669 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:23,316 TODD: Lily and Henza were still on their own, 670 00:32:23,399 --> 00:32:25,526 searching for a place to live. 671 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:28,655 JASON: I-- I saw everyone just kind of push us away. 672 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:30,239 We didn't know what else to do. 673 00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:31,908 We felt like the police were chasing us, 674 00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:35,244 we felt like maybe we could die at any moment. 675 00:32:35,328 --> 00:32:39,165 -(BIRDS CHIRPING) -♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 676 00:32:39,248 --> 00:32:41,125 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 677 00:32:41,209 --> 00:32:44,003 LILY: We got a hotel for like 30 dollars. 678 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:48,216 And there was just like a matter of Henza healing 679 00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:50,760 from his gunshot wounds, and then me just... 680 00:32:51,636 --> 00:32:53,554 trying to not fucking kill myself. 681 00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:56,974 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 682 00:32:57,058 --> 00:32:59,727 LILY: My life, in large part, the way it ended up, 683 00:32:59,811 --> 00:33:03,022 if I'm being totally honest, is because of the choices 684 00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:05,108 I made to resist the government. 685 00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:08,361 The only reason that, you know, we were in Acapulco 686 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:11,948 and in Mexico to begin with was resisting the state. 687 00:33:12,031 --> 00:33:14,701 The state has oppressed me from-- since birth 688 00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:16,786 and I've had to deal with it, and it's like... 689 00:33:17,745 --> 00:33:18,830 (SIGHS) 690 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:22,709 It's nerve-wracking. 691 00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:26,587 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 692 00:33:26,671 --> 00:33:28,464 TODD: I think this is a good point in the story 693 00:33:28,548 --> 00:33:32,927 for you to just say who you really were, 694 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:36,055 or who was hiding inside you this entire time. 695 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:39,058 What, like my real name? (CHUCKLES) 696 00:33:40,017 --> 00:33:42,103 I don't say it very often... 697 00:33:42,186 --> 00:33:44,814 (CHUCKLES) ...which is sad 698 00:33:44,897 --> 00:33:46,232 'cause I like it. (SOBS) 699 00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:59,120 My real name is Miranda Webb. (SOBS, SNIFFLES) 700 00:34:06,085 --> 00:34:07,086 It's a lot to process 701 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:09,422 not living as yourself for a long time. 702 00:34:13,885 --> 00:34:15,803 RANDY WEBB: Uh, my name's Randy Webb. 703 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,515 I'm Miranda's father. 704 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:21,934 ♪ (SOMBER MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 705 00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:23,478 I don't know what to say. 706 00:34:23,561 --> 00:34:26,439 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 707 00:34:33,946 --> 00:34:36,824 RANDY: 708 00:34:53,966 --> 00:34:56,511 LILY: My entire life, since conception 709 00:34:56,594 --> 00:34:58,221 has been affected 710 00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:00,765 by the war on drugs. 711 00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:03,476 My parents met 712 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,354 because my dad was buying weed off of my mom 713 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:08,272 for years before they got together. 714 00:35:09,357 --> 00:35:12,527 RANDY: Red, she was very highly intelligent, 715 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:15,655 graduated from high school with a 4.0 average. 716 00:35:15,738 --> 00:35:17,824 But she was a party girl. 717 00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:21,744 She was an alcoholic, she-- she drank every day. 718 00:35:21,828 --> 00:35:24,789 My mom told my dad that she was pregnant 719 00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:29,710 when they were getting arrested for possession of cannabis. 720 00:35:29,794 --> 00:35:31,712 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 721 00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:35,466 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 722 00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,477 TODD: What are some of your earliest memories? 723 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:48,938 LILY: Camping with my dad. 724 00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:52,859 And shady people around my mom. 725 00:35:55,194 --> 00:35:56,821 RANDY: ...or she's out partying every night. 726 00:35:56,904 --> 00:35:57,947 I... I couldn't deal with that. 727 00:35:58,030 --> 00:36:00,199 Miranda was two years old when I left her. 728 00:36:02,118 --> 00:36:04,328 The way her mom was... 729 00:36:04,412 --> 00:36:07,540 I always had to question, is she really mine or not? 730 00:36:07,623 --> 00:36:11,168 (LAUGHS) That's sad to say. 731 00:36:11,252 --> 00:36:13,713 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 732 00:36:13,796 --> 00:36:15,715 RANDY: You gotta understand, Red had five children, 733 00:36:15,798 --> 00:36:18,593 all five of 'em from different fathers. 734 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:22,013 KAT GLAZE: I'm the oldest. I was born in '87. 735 00:36:22,722 --> 00:36:25,266 Miranda came along in '93. 736 00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:30,271 After her and Randy split up, that's when things went 737 00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:32,607 kind of back how they were prior to her 738 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:33,649 and Randy being together, 739 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:36,110 we kind of just lived day to day. 740 00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:40,781 It was very common to not have food on the table. 741 00:36:40,865 --> 00:36:42,283 I would have to go steal groceries 742 00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:43,409 out of people's trunks 743 00:36:43,492 --> 00:36:45,536 when they were taking carloads into the house. 744 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,456 It was explained to me as, this is just what you did 745 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,624 to survive. 746 00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:52,543 RANDY: I'm paying a hundred dollars a week 747 00:36:52,627 --> 00:36:55,880 child support and picking my kid up on a Friday night 748 00:36:55,963 --> 00:36:58,049 and they're all starving to death, 749 00:36:58,132 --> 00:37:01,010 'cause Red's priorities wasn't right. 750 00:37:01,093 --> 00:37:03,804 This is when she was getting involved with heroin. 751 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,973 I didn't realize it at the time. 752 00:37:06,057 --> 00:37:08,059 ♪ (PLAYFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 753 00:37:08,142 --> 00:37:10,353 KAT: One day, all of us kids are sitting in the living room 754 00:37:10,436 --> 00:37:12,688 watching cartoons, 'cause it's Saturday morning. 755 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,106 ♪ (PLAYFUL MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 756 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:16,359 KAT: And all of a sudden, the door flies open 757 00:37:16,442 --> 00:37:19,904 and the cops came flooding in and held us all at gunpoint... 758 00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:21,322 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO) 759 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:22,949 KAT: ...and brought my brother out of the bedroom with a gun 760 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,451 to his head because he got scared and ran. 761 00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:26,953 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER RADIO) 762 00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:29,705 LILY: She was, like, selling heroin at our house. 763 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:34,794 I remember a cop explaining to me that they had my mommy 764 00:37:34,877 --> 00:37:37,004 in jail and that I couldn't see her 765 00:37:37,088 --> 00:37:39,715 because she was in trouble for doing a bad thing, 766 00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:43,177 and that I had to wait for somebody to come get me. 767 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:44,512 And I was like... 768 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:46,931 huh? 769 00:37:47,014 --> 00:37:49,058 ♪ (MUSIC TURNS EERIE) ♪ 770 00:37:49,141 --> 00:37:53,020 TODD: Do you think that shaped her adult perception 771 00:37:53,104 --> 00:37:55,606 -of authority? -Oh, absolutely. 772 00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:57,942 And I don't blame her one bit. 773 00:37:58,025 --> 00:38:02,071 -(WIND BLOWING) -♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 774 00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:11,288 KAT: I remember waking up, it was about 8:15 775 00:38:11,372 --> 00:38:13,833 and I had left my cell phone downstairs. 776 00:38:13,916 --> 00:38:15,418 -(CELL PHONE BUZZING) -KAT: And I remember 777 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:17,586 just hearing it buzzing on the table, 778 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:19,463 and it was Miranda. 779 00:38:21,507 --> 00:38:23,676 LILY: My mom had a psychotic break 780 00:38:23,759 --> 00:38:27,304 after taking some bad drugs, and she started hallucinating. 781 00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:28,973 She was seeing some real dark shit, 782 00:38:29,056 --> 00:38:30,975 from my understanding, being chased by demons, 783 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:32,101 things like that. 784 00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:37,523 And she ran into Route 18 in Medina, Ohio. 785 00:38:37,606 --> 00:38:39,692 Um... got to the middle 786 00:38:39,775 --> 00:38:42,194 and tried to get my little brothers 787 00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:44,030 to come with her. (CHUCKLES) And my little brothers 788 00:38:44,113 --> 00:38:45,865 were like, my stepdad's holding onto them like, 789 00:38:45,948 --> 00:38:48,159 "No, you're not going fucking anywhere," like... 790 00:38:51,412 --> 00:38:52,663 She tried to come back, 791 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:55,541 and she came running back and she got hit by one car... 792 00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:59,211 and then hit by another car... 793 00:38:59,295 --> 00:39:02,590 looked up at, like, my stepdad and got hit by a semi. 794 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,472 She was, you know, dead on the spot. 795 00:39:09,555 --> 00:39:11,265 -That was it. -(SIRENS WAILING) 796 00:39:14,643 --> 00:39:16,270 LILY: Everybody kept comparing me 797 00:39:16,353 --> 00:39:18,481 to my mom after she died, 798 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,399 because I looked so much like her 799 00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:22,902 and I was a lot like her, emotionally speaking. 800 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:28,866 She had a struggling, failing body for most of my life 801 00:39:28,949 --> 00:39:30,951 and she used drugs for it. 802 00:39:31,035 --> 00:39:34,246 I started to have the same pain issues that she had, 803 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,582 and it was like, "Ah..." 804 00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:40,294 My mom made a lot of... not-so-great decisions 805 00:39:40,377 --> 00:39:44,173 in her life, and I was scared that I was becoming my mom. 806 00:39:45,007 --> 00:39:46,634 (SIGHS) 807 00:39:49,762 --> 00:39:50,971 Going to Mexico, 808 00:39:51,055 --> 00:39:54,809 I thought, like, I could just leave all that behind me. 809 00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,186 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 810 00:40:02,316 --> 00:40:06,362 (DOGS BARKING IN DISTANCE) 811 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,329 (BARKING CONTINUES) 812 00:40:16,747 --> 00:40:17,873 JASON: The drug war here, 813 00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:22,378 or the local trade, I can't call it the war. 814 00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:26,298 The local trade has been established by violence... 815 00:40:27,383 --> 00:40:28,425 and a lot of blood. 816 00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:31,387 John knew that better than anybody. 817 00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:37,226 To cross the line 818 00:40:37,309 --> 00:40:40,020 of the established drug trade here, 819 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,564 you-- you wouldn't have done it. 820 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:46,986 (DOGS BARKING) 821 00:40:59,832 --> 00:41:05,129 JASON: I stood right up here, about halfway up the driveway, 822 00:41:05,212 --> 00:41:07,506 and Lily was at the top of the driveway. 823 00:41:09,049 --> 00:41:10,217 I feel really lucky. 824 00:41:11,302 --> 00:41:13,387 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 825 00:41:17,057 --> 00:41:18,225 (SIGHS) 826 00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:27,401 I'm sitting here in a spot where John had passed away... 827 00:41:30,279 --> 00:41:32,615 and-- or... or Shane. 828 00:41:32,698 --> 00:41:36,744 (DOGS CONTINUE BARKING) 829 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:38,954 It's... it's not fair this happened. 830 00:41:42,583 --> 00:41:45,753 And John just fell victim to a drug war. 831 00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:47,588 (DOGS BARKING) 832 00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:50,341 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 833 00:41:50,424 --> 00:41:51,634 Oh, gotta go. 834 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:55,930 (FOOTFALL) 835 00:41:57,598 --> 00:41:59,058 (DOGS CONTINUE BARKING) 836 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,733 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 837 00:42:07,816 --> 00:42:09,276 (INDISTINCT CHATTER IN SPANISH) 838 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,946 JASON: (IN ENGLISH) No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No, no. 839 00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:14,156 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC STOPS SUDDENLY) ♪ 840 00:42:17,409 --> 00:42:20,621 I-- I just wanted to say goodbye to John. 841 00:42:20,704 --> 00:42:23,415 And suddenly these two unmarked vehicles show up. 842 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,001 They're white trucks and they're some grubby-looking 843 00:42:26,085 --> 00:42:28,587 motherfuckers in this. I'm like, it's time to go. 844 00:42:30,464 --> 00:42:33,467 Someone screams at me and tells me to turn around. 845 00:42:33,550 --> 00:42:35,552 And I notice he's pointing a gun right at me 846 00:42:35,636 --> 00:42:37,221 and his finger was not on the barrel, 847 00:42:37,304 --> 00:42:38,305 it was on the trigger. 848 00:42:38,389 --> 00:42:40,057 I had convinced myself that was cartel coming 849 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:41,558 to kill me because they were just coming up 850 00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:43,018 to check out what happened up there. 851 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,606 Then someone pops out of the car and I see a clipboard. 852 00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:49,525 And then I notice it's a woman. 853 00:42:49,608 --> 00:42:53,404 I'm like cartel women, clipboard, no. 854 00:42:53,487 --> 00:42:54,905 I realize they were fucking cops. 855 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,283 They want to know what I'm doing there 856 00:42:57,366 --> 00:43:00,327 and who am I associated with and this and that. 857 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:02,788 And then they said, "Leave or you'll get arrested." 858 00:43:02,871 --> 00:43:03,998 And I'm like, fuck it. 859 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:06,000 So, I get in my car and drive away. 860 00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:10,170 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 861 00:43:13,215 --> 00:43:16,385 LILY: Everywhere I went those days, I was just like... 862 00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:22,641 looking around, seeing who was around me at all times. 863 00:43:22,725 --> 00:43:25,060 Like, who's here, who's here, who's here, who's here? 864 00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:28,188 Like, any group of cops, even fucking one cop 865 00:43:28,272 --> 00:43:31,025 in those days, it was just like... (INHALES) 866 00:43:32,401 --> 00:43:34,695 ...it would've really sucked to have witnessed a murder, 867 00:43:34,778 --> 00:43:36,739 then got deported and then put in jail. 868 00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:40,826 JASON: It was very difficult for Lily to exist 869 00:43:40,909 --> 00:43:41,869 around Acapulco 870 00:43:41,952 --> 00:43:44,163 because all the cops knew who she was. 871 00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:46,874 They knew who John and-- and Lily were. 872 00:43:46,957 --> 00:43:48,250 They knew the hair. 873 00:43:49,126 --> 00:43:51,378 She was just so easy to see. 874 00:43:51,462 --> 00:43:53,380 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 875 00:43:53,464 --> 00:43:55,966 LILY: One day I got chased down by police. 876 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:57,926 (SIRENS WAILING) 877 00:43:58,010 --> 00:44:00,346 LILY: They recognized me and they started chasing 878 00:44:00,429 --> 00:44:01,889 after me with a vehicle. 879 00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:03,724 I ran in the opposite direction 880 00:44:03,807 --> 00:44:05,934 and they chased after me that way too and tackled me. 881 00:44:06,310 --> 00:44:07,561 (THUDDING) 882 00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:13,192 LILY: I was surrounded by, like, five or six vehicles, 883 00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:15,194 forty, fifty people. 884 00:44:15,277 --> 00:44:17,488 And their first question is... 885 00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:20,199 "Where is Paul?" 886 00:44:20,282 --> 00:44:21,492 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 887 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:25,037 And I'm like, "That's not my job. 888 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,082 That's your job. Why are you harassing me?" 889 00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,334 And they're like, "Well, he's your brother, right?" 890 00:44:31,502 --> 00:44:33,712 And I'm like, "No, he's not. 891 00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:36,673 He's just some crazy guy that fucking moved into my house 892 00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,509 because of my now-dead boyfriend." 893 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:41,512 They asked me like, who I thought did it. 894 00:44:41,595 --> 00:44:43,347 And I told them, it doesn't matter to me. 895 00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:45,766 He's dead, I don't care. I don't care who k-- did it. 896 00:44:45,849 --> 00:44:48,018 And they're like, "Well, we wanna put the guys in prison." 897 00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:49,144 Like, I don't. 898 00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:51,271 (SIGHS) 899 00:44:54,024 --> 00:44:56,360 I was just trying to not get deported. 900 00:44:58,195 --> 00:45:01,573 And then eventually, they fucking let me go. 901 00:45:01,657 --> 00:45:05,994 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 902 00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:24,430 I always had no idea where I was going 903 00:45:24,513 --> 00:45:26,432 when I rode up here. It was always... 904 00:45:26,515 --> 00:45:28,684 -KIM: In the back of the truck. -...in the back of the truck. 905 00:45:36,984 --> 00:45:41,071 I couldn't believe how quickly John would drive us up. 906 00:45:41,155 --> 00:45:43,824 These roads are so confusing. 907 00:45:43,907 --> 00:45:46,201 KIM: Yeah, it's like a forgotten neighborhood up here. 908 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,458 -DRIVER: -KIM: This is the street. 909 00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:54,042 TODD: Yeah, the gate's open. 910 00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:58,255 TODD: The police investigation into John's murder 911 00:45:58,338 --> 00:46:00,549 wasn't making much headway. 912 00:46:00,632 --> 00:46:03,260 And rumors continued to spread through the community. 913 00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:06,805 (DOG BARKING) 914 00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:11,101 TODD: But amidst the confusion, one narrative was presented 915 00:46:11,185 --> 00:46:13,479 to me that seemed the most coherent. 916 00:46:19,818 --> 00:46:22,446 Nathan had a, I guess you could call it, 917 00:46:22,529 --> 00:46:25,949 an all-encompassing theory around the murder 918 00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:27,826 which did actually involve Paul. 919 00:46:30,662 --> 00:46:32,998 Uh, if you don't mind, I want to read you the messages 920 00:46:33,081 --> 00:46:34,249 that Nathan sent me. 921 00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:42,132 (READS PROMPT) 922 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,259 (LAUGHS) No, we didn't. 923 00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:46,720 TODD: He goes on to say, "Paul went around the conference 924 00:46:46,803 --> 00:46:49,973 acting as a combination, marketer-mule." 925 00:46:51,433 --> 00:46:53,477 Then he says, "Paul's old girlfriend, 926 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,354 who he had threatened with violence, 927 00:46:55,437 --> 00:46:57,981 wanted to get rid of him, so she told the cartel guy 928 00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:01,777 she knew that he was dealing and they sent someone to hurt 929 00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:03,070 or kill him." 930 00:47:04,154 --> 00:47:06,990 This person reached out to Nathan about it, 931 00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:10,327 and Nathan said I'll talk to Paul. 932 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:15,791 LILY: Yeah, Paul told us about that. 933 00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:19,044 He said that Nathan Freeman saved his life. 934 00:47:20,003 --> 00:47:21,797 He goes on then, later that year, 935 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,424 Paul has a falling out with John and Lily, 936 00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:26,510 they become bitter enemies 937 00:47:26,593 --> 00:47:28,679 and Paul was really pissed about this. 938 00:47:29,513 --> 00:47:30,931 Then the following year... 939 00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:36,144 (READS PROMPT) 940 00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:38,897 He reached out to his contact in the cartel and says, 941 00:47:38,981 --> 00:47:41,149 "I was just the mule and the fall guy. 942 00:47:41,233 --> 00:47:44,611 The person that was really selling the drugs was John. 943 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:45,904 Please leave me alone. 944 00:47:45,988 --> 00:47:48,657 I just wanted people to have a good time." 945 00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:50,826 "They monitored John for a couple weeks. 946 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:52,953 They saw him dealing with... 947 00:47:53,036 --> 00:47:56,915 (READS PROMPT) 948 00:47:59,501 --> 00:48:00,794 They didn't touch Lily. 949 00:48:00,877 --> 00:48:03,964 She's the messenger trying to convey this idea 950 00:48:04,047 --> 00:48:06,133 of "don't step on their territory." 951 00:48:06,216 --> 00:48:08,176 Leaving you to tell that story. 952 00:48:12,556 --> 00:48:15,350 The only piece here missing is this idea 953 00:48:15,434 --> 00:48:19,062 that John was getting involved with the competitor's product. 954 00:48:20,772 --> 00:48:23,984 We were together so much, but that's-- 955 00:48:24,067 --> 00:48:26,612 But there were times where, like, 956 00:48:26,695 --> 00:48:29,031 we would be fighting and he would just take off 957 00:48:29,114 --> 00:48:30,782 on the motorcycle and I would be left 958 00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:32,159 in the house, you know? 959 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:36,038 I have no idea. 960 00:48:37,372 --> 00:48:41,710 I do know that he had friends that he had connections 961 00:48:41,793 --> 00:48:44,504 to with weed that had some real deep connections 962 00:48:44,588 --> 00:48:46,715 in that city, familial connections. 963 00:48:46,798 --> 00:48:49,426 And I talked to one of them, he was like, 964 00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:51,595 "I've been asking around, 965 00:48:51,678 --> 00:48:54,431 I'm not hearing anything from my sources 966 00:48:54,514 --> 00:48:55,766 about competition. 967 00:48:57,017 --> 00:49:00,896 I'm hearing something about a crazy gringo guy... 968 00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:04,149 named Paul." 969 00:49:04,232 --> 00:49:05,525 ♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 970 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:09,363 (NOTIFICATIONS CHIMING) 971 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:14,117 -LILY: Yeah, it's-- it's not true. -THADDEUS: Okay. 972 00:49:14,201 --> 00:49:15,994 LILY: Where those claims came from 973 00:49:16,078 --> 00:49:17,412 was a guy named Paul Propert, 974 00:49:17,496 --> 00:49:20,957 and that guy was the guy that was selling the cocaine... 975 00:49:21,041 --> 00:49:23,960 TODD: Thad's podcast interview with Lily had dropped. 976 00:49:24,044 --> 00:49:25,212 LILY: ...but their intel was Paul, 977 00:49:25,295 --> 00:49:27,381 and was Paul was lying to save his own life. 978 00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,257 TODD: Lily's accusations of Paul's involvement 979 00:49:29,341 --> 00:49:32,010 with the murder now went beyond just Facebook posts. 980 00:49:32,094 --> 00:49:35,055 LILY: ...in depth, like we've told many of these stories 981 00:49:35,138 --> 00:49:36,390 to our friends and it's another thing 982 00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:37,683 to share 'em with the world. 983 00:49:38,183 --> 00:49:40,644 It set Paul off. 984 00:49:42,187 --> 00:49:46,400 VOICE AS PAUL: 985 00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:48,527 (READS PROMPT) 986 00:49:49,194 --> 00:49:51,530 (READS PROMPT) 987 00:49:51,613 --> 00:49:54,366 These people are not free, they are not human. 988 00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:56,368 I cannot and will not let this go. 989 00:49:56,451 --> 00:49:58,537 (READS PROMPT) 990 00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:05,544 (READS PROMPT) 991 00:50:08,839 --> 00:50:13,552 It's amazing how destructive human beings can be 992 00:50:13,635 --> 00:50:17,097 if they decide to not cooperate and play nice. 993 00:50:17,180 --> 00:50:19,725 Like, they can do heavy, heavy damage 994 00:50:19,808 --> 00:50:21,476 to people's peace of mind. 995 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,644 ♪ (TENSE MUSC PLAYING) ♪ 996 00:50:22,728 --> 00:50:26,314 JUAN: And that's where the edges of my anarchism 997 00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:28,024 started to crack, 998 00:50:28,108 --> 00:50:30,986 because how do you deal with that? 999 00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:34,239 As anarchists, what do you do? You call the cops. 1000 00:50:34,322 --> 00:50:35,949 That's weak, you know? 1001 00:50:36,032 --> 00:50:37,367 How... How much of an anarchist can you be 1002 00:50:37,451 --> 00:50:39,161 if you're gonna call the cops. You're using the state, 1003 00:50:39,244 --> 00:50:40,579 are you getting the state involved? 1004 00:50:40,662 --> 00:50:41,705 (MOUSE CLICKING) 1005 00:50:41,788 --> 00:50:44,791 (VOICE AS PAUL READS PROMPTS) 1006 00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:00,223 JEFF: A lot of people were asking me to do something 1007 00:51:00,307 --> 00:51:02,726 about it, like I'm the mayor of Acapulco or something, 1008 00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:04,352 right? But, like, I'm not. 1009 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,398 I wasn't like, "Call the cops, and take them to court." 1010 00:51:08,482 --> 00:51:12,152 Just like, handle your own business and see what happens. 1011 00:51:12,235 --> 00:51:13,945 And I think that's the way it should be. 1012 00:51:16,156 --> 00:51:17,574 PRESENTER: This is Free Talk Live. 1013 00:51:17,657 --> 00:51:20,744 We are at Anarachapulco 2019 for day one. 1014 00:51:20,827 --> 00:51:22,662 The opening ceremony is just about to kick off 1015 00:51:22,746 --> 00:51:24,831 with Jeff Berwick taking the stage. 1016 00:51:25,957 --> 00:51:28,001 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 1017 00:51:29,252 --> 00:51:32,631 ♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1018 00:51:35,467 --> 00:51:38,929 ♪ ("BITCOIN 'ALL THE WAY UP' BY THE DOLLAR VIGILANTE AND JEFF BERWICK PLAYING) ♪ 1019 00:51:39,012 --> 00:51:41,014 ♪ Straight to the moon Bitcoin all the way ♪ 1020 00:51:41,097 --> 00:51:43,517 ♪ Dollar vigilante All up in your hearsay ♪ 1021 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,520 ♪ Dropping crypto knowledge Making the ladies go cray-cray ♪ 1022 00:51:46,603 --> 00:51:47,938 JUAN: There was some legitimate fear 1023 00:51:48,021 --> 00:51:50,482 that Paul might do something, like fucking set off a bomb 1024 00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:52,067 or something at the conference. 1025 00:51:53,443 --> 00:51:56,488 But I decided to go, because I figured, like, 1026 00:51:56,571 --> 00:51:57,989 this might be the end of it, 1027 00:51:58,073 --> 00:52:01,076 and I like to see a crash in real time. (CHUCKLES) 1028 00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:03,745 (CROWD CHEERING) 1029 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:08,458 JEFF: Thank you all for being here. 1030 00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:13,421 (CROWD APPLAUDS) 1031 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:17,092 JEFF: Five years now. 1032 00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:21,263 Had no idea. 1033 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:23,431 You never know where things are gonna go 1034 00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:25,684 or what's gonna happen. 1035 00:52:27,143 --> 00:52:32,107 There was a death here about a couple weeks ago. 1036 00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:33,692 Many of you are probably aware of it, 1037 00:52:33,775 --> 00:52:37,153 his name was John Galton. Not his real name, obviously. 1038 00:52:42,409 --> 00:52:44,411 I was gonna say a moment of silence. We already had it, 1039 00:52:44,494 --> 00:52:45,537 there we have it. 1040 00:52:46,371 --> 00:52:48,415 When times get tough... 1041 00:52:48,498 --> 00:52:53,086 we'll see who's really serious about their principles. 1042 00:52:53,169 --> 00:52:55,547 And all of you who are here today... 1043 00:52:56,506 --> 00:52:57,799 are a testament to that. 1044 00:52:58,925 --> 00:53:01,136 I heard so many things. 1045 00:53:01,219 --> 00:53:03,597 "Don't go to Acapulco, it's so dangerous, 1046 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,224 someone just got killed." Sucks. 1047 00:53:07,684 --> 00:53:10,145 We're gonna change the world, and as we're doing it, 1048 00:53:10,228 --> 00:53:12,522 they are going to come after us like you've never seen, 1049 00:53:12,606 --> 00:53:15,191 this is nothing. That-- that's nothing. 1050 00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:17,235 People are going to die. 1051 00:53:19,487 --> 00:53:21,072 If we're going to get rid of governments 1052 00:53:21,156 --> 00:53:23,742 and central banks, they're not gonna go away easy. 1053 00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:26,661 There's gonna be propaganda, there's gonna be triple suicides 1054 00:53:26,745 --> 00:53:28,788 to the back of the head, three gunshots. 1055 00:53:31,791 --> 00:53:34,836 That's what they do. We have to be strong. 1056 00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:38,256 Can you guys be strong? Are we strong? 1057 00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:41,009 (CROWD CHEERS AND APPLAUDS) 1058 00:53:41,092 --> 00:53:43,303 JEFF: Thank you all for coming. Thank you so much. 1059 00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:45,972 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1060 00:53:52,771 --> 00:53:55,106 TODD: It was only the first day of the conference, 1061 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:57,442 but already it was clear that John's murder 1062 00:53:57,525 --> 00:54:00,278 had knocked the Anarchapulco community off balance. 1063 00:54:02,155 --> 00:54:05,283 Exposing the difficulties and risks of putting ideology 1064 00:54:05,367 --> 00:54:06,785 into practice. 1065 00:54:06,868 --> 00:54:08,370 ♪ (FOREBODING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪ 1066 00:54:10,038 --> 00:54:13,375 TODD: And then, lurking at the edges, was Paul. 1067 00:54:28,181 --> 00:54:31,393 He was very much in an alternate reality. 1068 00:54:31,476 --> 00:54:32,852 (MOUSE CLICKING) 1069 00:54:32,936 --> 00:54:34,562 LISA: He was the anti-hero. 1070 00:54:36,147 --> 00:54:38,692 JASON: When he hits a wall, he fights 1071 00:54:38,775 --> 00:54:39,943 and he threatens people. 1072 00:54:43,863 --> 00:54:45,490 JUAN: It's-- it's like somebody that's walking around 1073 00:54:45,573 --> 00:54:46,825 with a bomb, you know, it's like, 1074 00:54:46,908 --> 00:54:48,410 yeah, the bomb's not going off 1075 00:54:48,493 --> 00:54:50,787 right now, but there's a bomb there. 1076 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:54,958 Because he was an ex-military guy, because he had PTSD, 1077 00:54:55,041 --> 00:54:56,960 because he was trained, 1078 00:54:57,043 --> 00:54:58,920 the possibility that he would do something crazy 1079 00:54:59,004 --> 00:55:00,839 was actually credible. 1080 00:55:09,347 --> 00:55:11,016 -PAUL: Whoa! -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1081 00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:12,559 ♪ Ooh ♪ 1082 00:55:12,642 --> 00:55:15,395 ♪ Knock on wood Don't get stuck ♪ 1083 00:55:15,478 --> 00:55:18,898 ♪ It's just another way To say good luck ♪ 1084 00:55:18,982 --> 00:55:24,487 ♪ Lay yourself Into the ground this time ♪ 1085 00:55:25,613 --> 00:55:28,867 ♪ All I've done Is roll the rice ♪ 1086 00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:32,871 ♪ I thought I'd found the door To paradise ♪ 1087 00:55:32,954 --> 00:55:37,667 ♪ But it was just ♪ 1088 00:55:38,501 --> 00:55:41,880 ♪ Another pair of handcuffs ♪ 1089 00:56:44,526 --> 00:56:46,361 ♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪